December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Ephemeral, was RE: Junger et al.
by Ed Gerck 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Regarding my comment below: >Ed Gerck writes: >[...] > > BTW, I think that Gwin was struggling to express the notion that > > source code (syntax) is a device whenever there is a clear binding > > between that source code and known semantics, together with proper > > pragmatics (the enviroment, as defined in semiotics), in order to > > perform the desired function. > I received some private postings which questioned it by questioning its logical consequences, as for example: >So the judge should forbid publishing/export of Applied Cryptography >and the PGP Book with source code, right ? > First, IMO, this subject is hard to discuss because it is politically involved and also applies just to a particular set of countries -- so it is not based on a "universal" ruling. Further, I also think it is absurd to try to outlaw cryptography because it is essential and not just to obtain privacy (as in my posting on logical semantics and crypto, some months ago [1]). In fact, I think that cryptography is needed to provide *secure routing* [1] (a property that is more basic than secure content and which I think will be impossible to forbid in the future). However, I also think that the arguments being thought by each side may carry their own intrinsic worth. Further, even though the whole subject is IMO ephemeral because unworkable, some of those arguments may have a far reaching consequence and transcend the issue. Should we overlook that? IMO, no. Even thrash can be recycled ;-) My remark above was in this line of reasoning. So, it ought not to be extrapolated to printed books -- I am not at all concerned about the legal aspects. In fact, laws can be wrong and IMO this is a clear example. But, regarding printed books -- yes, the comment above (and others in that line) are right. If this logic exercise is carried to its fully immoral end, then books should not be allowed to carry complete and workable source code. Which does not show that the argument is illogical, just immoral. Technically, the argument is sound. As Hume pointed out a long time ago, if we were guided only by reason and logic then surely I should prefer to destroy the rest of the world instead of enduring even a small pain in one of my fingers. While this shows that logic is not all, it also shows that one cannot deny logic by moral or ethics but rather define what precedes what in case of conflict, for each society. While this can have different answers for different societies, eg where in some suicide is moral, the cryptography issue may take a different twist if the link to secure routing is further investigated and cryptography is not only used just for secure content as it is today. Thanks, Ed Gerck =========== Reference: [1] http://www.mcg.org.br/trustdef.htm#A.4.1 ______________________________________________________________________ Dr.rer.nat. E. Gerck egerck(a)novaware.cps.softex.br http://novaware.cps.softex.br --- Meta-Certificate Group member, http://www.mcg.org.br ---

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RE: Junger et al.
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mok-Kong Shen [SMTP:mok-kong.shen@stud.uni-muenchen.de] > Anonymous wrote: > > > Does it matter who might 'read' the material, in regards to the > protection > > of free speech? Whether it is written so that Russians or computers > might > > be able to read it? If source code is written on a napkin, it can be > > currently exported, but what if tomorrow a vendor announces a 'napkin > > computer' which can directly read from napkins akin to a super-low > densiy > > floppy disc. > > Put the source code on a neuro-disk and you can export it under > any crypto law that can ever be invented till eternity. > > M. K. Shen [Trei, Peter] Tell that to the thousands forbidden to leave the nations which claim or claimed to own them, on the basis that they once had access to state secrets. The thankfully defunct Soviet Union regularly forbade dissidents to emigrate, on the basis that at some point in their lives they had had access to 'sensitive' information. I have no doubt that similar restrictions could be put in place in other nations. Peter Trei

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Re: Lotus Notes signature / encryption
by Charlie_Kaufman＠iris.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Could someone kindly tell me about the drawbacks of the Lotus Notes >signature / encryption system (export version)? I guess my first question would be "compared to what?". Compared to the Lotus Notes domestic version, the crypto is weaker in two ways. First, there is a backdoor by which all but 40 bits of each symmetric key is encrypted under a public key whose private half is known to the U.S. government. This encrypted value is included in all messages where the key is passed aroung. Depending on how you feel about breaking 40 bit keys, this means it is somewhere between easy and trivial for the U.S. government to eavesdrop on your communications It also uses 512 bit RSA keys for distribution of encryption keys, which makes it attackable by attackers other than the U.S. government. While no one has ever publicly demonstrated breaking a 512 bit RSA key (last I heard), the workfactor is well understood and it's clearly feasible (and in fact overdue). Compared to exportable versions of S/MIME or SSL, the crypto is considerably stronger. Against attackers other than the U.S. government (and even a paranoid would admit there are other attackers to be concerned about (e.g. the French government)), the workfactor to attack the symmetric keys is 64 bits - a little shakey but not the weakest link in most systems. Further, RSA signature keys are 630 bits, which is better than most exportable systems. Compared to non-exportable (but internationally available) systems, like PGP and strong S/MIME and SSL, the crypto is substantially weaker. Another aspect to consider is the strength of the PKI. Lotus Notes uses an organizationally based PKI, meaning that to a large degree your security depends on the trustworthiness and competence of your system administrator. With PGP, your security is under your own control to a much larger degree. For people who are more security aware than their administrators (as most PGP users are), the PGP PKI offers better security. For people who are less security aware than their administrators (as most Lotus Notes users are), the Lotus Notes PKI offers better security. Finally, a "drawback" that might be relevant to this group is the fact that because the Lotus Notes export version has a key-escrow-like backdoor, using it offers tacit political endorsement for the U.S. government's contention that key escrow is a technically practical compromise between the needs of users for privacy and the "needs" of government to know all the secrets of everyone on the planet. In my mind, this argues strongly in favor of using real strong crypto if that is an option, but using weak crypto as an alternative is offering tacit political endorsement for the even more dangerous contention that weak crypto is good enough. Your mileage may vary. --Charlie Kaufman (charlie_kaufman(a)iris.com)

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Re: IP: "CyberCash can't oust credit cards"
by Dave Birch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ryan Lackey said >I think resistance to new payment schemes on the part of a merchant is in >cost and effort to set up. Having a free apache commerce plugin which >handles >a variety of payment systems... What's wrong with this model is that it imports historical physical models that are irrelevant on the Net. Why does the merchant take payments at all? Imagine this scenario: you go into the Good Guys and buy a Walkman. The clerk gives you a ticket. You go round to your branch of Wells Fargo and get a cashiers cheque made out to the merchant, walk round to the merchant's branch of BankAmerica -- or BankBank, or whatever it's called now :) -- and deposit the cheque in the merchants account. BankBank gives you a receipt which you take back to the Good Guys and pick up your Walkman. Now, apart from all of the walking around, this is not a bad system. The Good Guys don't need cash registers, links to First Data etc etc. The Good Guys don't need to put up stickers saying "we take Visa", because the bank takes everything. The Good Guys don't care how you paid. The bank is much better placed than the merchant to handle the risks associated with payments and therefore the information asymmetries associated with the payment are significantly reduced (there's a good article about this in the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta's Economic Review, 1Q98). On the Net, there's no walking around. In the physical world, it clearly makes no sense for every bank to build a network out to every merchant: hence it makes sense to have physical payment instruments (e.g. notes, cheques) and credit/charge cards. On the Net, though, every participant is connected. When you buy a book from Amazon, what is the point of sending your credit card details to Amazon just so that they can send the details on to an acquiring network, third-party processor etc. Surely it makes more sense for merchants to have deals with payment agents (this is the model in OTP, Smart Access etc). When you press the button marked "Pay" on your browser, wouldn't it be more natural for a message to go to your bank than to the merchant? Thus, I get a "ticket" from Amazon saying "you owe $20 for this book". I pass the ticket to a payment agent (which may be a bank) and pay them (the negotiation being between my wallet and the agent"). The agent sends me a receipt to keep: I send the receipt to Amazon and they send me a book. Alternatively, perhaps the receipt let's me play Doom for a month or get ten upgrade to an item of software or whatever. All Amazon care is that the money has been paid: what do they care whether I used DigiCash or Mondex, Visa or MasterCard? You might argue that the merchant would discount for cleared funds (pay by Mondex and get 2% off) but I think that its frankly too much bother for them to work out N different prices by M different payment methods. I would imagine that just a merchants run loyalty schemes ("double points if you buy cornflakes") then so would payment agents ("double points for DigiCash") but each could operate their business independently. I would argue that the idea that merchants take payments is outdated. Since merchants don't care about cypherpunk favourites such as bearer instruments and anonymity, they'll be perfectly happy to have an acquiring account with BigBank and get a statement at the end of the month that details the payments taken and says "Money collected $1000, our fee $50, deposited to your account $950". Now, the merchant hasn't had to buy a commerce server, negiotiate 10 different acquiring agreements, implement SET or do anything else. Hey, so it's 5%: so what? Regards, Dave Birch. === mailto:daveb@hyperion.co.uk ===== http://www.hyperion.co.uk/ ===

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Re: Rats in the Walls
by Reeza! 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:21 PM 02 07 98 +0200, Anonymous wrote: >"Reeza!" <howree(a)cable.navy.mil> wrote: > >> At 04:41 PM 02 07 98 +0200, Anonymous wrote: >> >and there are indeed safe havens elsewhere, >> > >> >"Educate, don't Agitate" >> > >> >> Tell me more,,, > >You and who's army? > What army? I'm in the navy, and I'm getting sick of it.

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Re: Covert Access to Data and ID
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Froward From: Anonymous To: die(a)pig.die.com Cc: jy(a)jya.com Subject: Intel plans for world domination Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 10:51:04 -0500 Good afternoon gentlemen, I've been reading the correspondence on the possibility of govt keystroke access with some interest. I'm in a slightly odd position as I'm responsible for security in one of the larger wintel companies. As such I've been getting quite a feeling of deja vu reading your mails. Intel and others are moving in exactly this direction with a number of initiatives, most notably the PC98, PCXX, and "Wired For Management". WfM in particular is very scary - one of the components is a facility for PC's to download and run digitally signed software before the OS is booted - between "the end of BIOS initialisation and when control is transferred to a high-level OS" in the words of one Intel document. The code is verified by routines embedded in the BIOS and will allegedly use some subset of X.509v3 and PKCS#1. As so often happens in circumstances like this I can't risk passing documents directly as I can't be sure of their provenance - I really have no idea which ones are now considered trade secrets and which have been made public. Instead I recommend you have a look at the Intel WfM site http://www.intel.com/ial/wfm/ with particular reference to the "Pre-Boot Execution Environment" (PXE) and "System Management BIOS" (SMBIOS). The Microsoft pc98 site is at http://www.microsoft.com/hwdev/pc98.htm and the Intel one at http://developer.intel.com/design/pc98/. ---------- And, DM reminds of the DIRT program Ray Arachelian first posted here: There's an article on page 37 of the July 6, 1998 issue of NetworkWorld about a new software product for Windows machines that is basically a trojan horse that allows access to all keystrokes and files on a system from a remote "America's Most Wanted"-type HQ. I can't find the article online at www.networkworld.com, but you can go the the company's site at http://www.thecodex.com/dirt.html to see it. Sale of DIRT is "restricted to military, government, and law enforcement agencies", the article says.

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Jim Bell Message
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded from a long-time cpunk who received a call from Jim Bell yesterday. Jim asked that this message be publicized: 7/7/98 By this post he is publically accusing the Federal Government of having spied on him from two physical addresses. These are two houses to the North & to the East of his parent's house. The government moved in within 6 months (approx) of the time before his arrest. One of the addresses is 7217 Mississippi, which is listed as "Billy King", who died a couple of years ago. The house is ostensibly being occupied by his widow (or that is the impression). It is listed as being as owned by Alverna King, but he has his doubts. The other is address is 7302 Corregidor, purchased about 2.5 - 3 years ago by someone. Listed as being the address of Sundown Development, a small business company. A second floor was added soon after it was acquired by the company. They aren't listed as the owners on record, but they are listed as being at that address. Thinks this is a sham. The govmt was basically next door spying on him for at least a year, before it started provoking him. In response to his using the internet for freewheeling debate, they engaged in some bugging that is illegal under Washington State law. It is illegal to use bugging without the knowledge of the participants. He has developed a technique for identifying when someone is tailing him. Found this on Father's day when some people got a little too close to him. He drove to his Sister's party on Hayden Island in Oregon, and noticed the tails. Identified them as Rixen Marine, which he thinks is a sham, another front organization. One of the reasons he was arrested (though they're not willing to admit it) is because was way too successful in tailing _them_. A few more days and he would have blown their entire operation. He couldn't go into the details of how he found out these things. Did research & sophisticated observation. Will be getting friends to do searches in databases, etc. to gather more info to substantiate his suspicions. He said his recent arrest was on a probation violation charge - failure to pay a fine or something, wasn't clear on the specifics. There will be a hearing on his case this Friday the 10th. Prosecutors last year didn't know what the govmt was up to - not told of the spying (a "black operation"). Their method of spying on him are techniques which are possible, though rarely used. If people knew they would be very surprised. It will be a big story - big as Watergate - when it comes out. Their usage of these high-tech methods for access is difficult, so not used often. The government is trying to cover up their reaction to what he wrote in his essays. ------------------- <end of message>

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Covert Access to Data and ID
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dave Emery's remarks on government access to keystrokes (proposed by the NYT as an alternative to GAK) points to the probable increase of intrusive devices to counter increasing use of encryption and other privacy and anonymity measures. This topic comes up here now and then, with mentions of a slew of methods to protect privacy of data during transmission or storage. But the possibility of logging the initial creation or manipulation of data is not as often discussed, nor how to tie a person to the data, as now being asked in legal and law enforcement fora to identify, catch, convict and jail computer culprits. That the NYT floated the idea surely means someone is testing public response to an idea that seems to be more intrusive than GAK: the logging of initial data and any manipulation of it, prior to encrypting, and maybe including a means to link the actions to the user. If this is logging (and related retrieval) is done covertly, encryption could thereby become a falsely reassuring cloak of privacy. Dave thinks devices like these are surely in the works, and he can say more about their sponsors, technologies and implementations. One driving force, as he previously noted, is the desire for devices to assure copyright protection, backed by the WIPO treaty, which now being considered for approval. See the House report on it at: http://jya.com/hr105-551.txt (141K) And the EFF and ACLU opposition to it: hr2281-opp.htm Other forces, though, are employers who want to snoop, law enforcement, government, marketers, actually the same groups who dislike privacy protection measures, but often prefer to snoop covertly while loudly proclaiming support for privacy. Thus, the more general question Dave has raised is how widespread is the development and implementation of technolgies for covert surveillance on the Web and in desktop boxes -- happily spreading quietly while attention is focussed on the very encryption which it will circumvent? And what are these devices, or what might they be, what might be countermeasures and who might be working for and against them. SDA must have insights to share. Over to Dave Emery and those more knowledgeable. For those who missed his earlier message we've put it, with a follow-up at: http://jya.com/gaks-de.htm

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U.S. relaxes licensing grip on encryption
by Xena - Warrior Princess 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(From the Mercury News, see subject line) http://www.sjmercury.com/business/center/encrypt070898.htm It's a start, at least.

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A Mirror - 'Don't be blue if you should be green'
by StanSqncrs＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I made another page, which details what Capital records did to Dark Side of the Moon when they reissued on cd. Guess what they covered-up. :-) Check it out, Stan, The Desecration of 'The Dark Side of the Moon' http://members.tripod.com/StanSqncrs/DarkSide/darkside.html

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Re: RSA in perl illegal to export (Re: Junger et al.)
by Jeff.Nisewanger＠Eng.Sun.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> There are t-shirts out there with both human readable and > machine readable (bar code) versions of the RSA in 3 code.... Wear it > when boarding an international flight.... They even state that they > are a munition and ITAR controlled in BIG letters on the back... Or take out a classified ad (so to speak) in the New York Times and have it published on paper. Jeff

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test
by Steve Orrin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

test

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RE: RSA in perl illegal to export (Re: Junger et al.)
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Would someone who has actually scanned this T-shirt in please let us know how you did it (which equipment, what software, etc.)? Thanks! Ern

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DoD Plans Global Domestic Invasion
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DoD released today the text of a June 11 speech which describes how the military is planning for the first time in US history to establish a homeland defense command, to operate inside US borders for protection against terrorism and weapons of mass destruction: http://jya.com/dsd061198.htm A special unit will handle cyber threats. The CINC-US will be a vast increase over the traditional role of domestic law enforcement by FBI, ATF and other federal, state and local authorities, lately supplemented by the National Guard, FEMA, PCCIP, and the newly formed COIA at Commerce and the President's special office on domestic terrorism. Deputy Secretary of Defense Hamre said the command will work with the newly formed Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) which will be under C4I of DoD. Another press release today covered Hamre's June 22 speech in Vienna where he outlined similar measures for European defense through NATO: http://jyacom/dsd062298.htm Finally, the Wash Post had a report today on DoD's attempt to come up with workable plans for offensive cyberwar -- which is claimed to be the serious first serious competitor for the nuclear threat in fifty years: http://jya.com/cyber-how.htm It says that a component of cyberwar offense is regular prowling of other countries networks and military command systems for the purpose of "pre-planning the battlefield." That this is the way DoD justifies ignoring the limitations of intel agencies' need to get presidential approval for invading the borders of other countries. "Cyberspace is borderless," says the Pentagon. Many covert prowling, surveilling and crashing tools are in operation or poised to take down systems like those of the nuclear command and control systems of Pakistan and India should the need arise. One guy brags that any one of a dozen experts in the US "could take out a country in six hours" by disrupting cyber infrastructure, and that might be looming for the US. Is it true infowar, or is it whistling in the dark psy war: "my megaherz-death bombers are sneakier than yours"? So, it appears that key stroke logging and MS/Intel's vicious "wired for management" are kidstuff cheapskate knockoffs of far worse invasive technology pouring dollars into Wintel labs and fabs.

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Re: Tracking: iButton (fwd)
by Matt Elliott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Global Web Builders 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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journalist seeking help...
by MCROACH＠delphi.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Cypherpunks: I write for the New York Times Magazine. My editor wants to profile, as he put it, "a group of hackers who've gone legit" and now do consulting for corporations. Paul Kocher of Cryptography Research thought you guys might have a couple suggestions. He mentioned a co-op in Boston, but couldn't recall their name. Also -- anyone know what Robert Morris Jr. is up to? Or how to contact him? Thanks very much. Mary Roach

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Re: FC: Forget Internet restrictions -- how about banning TV?
by attila 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 9 Jul 1998, Declan McCullagh forwarded from TIME: >... > The revolution will not be televised -- at least not in Afghanistan. > The Taliban government today banned TV, and gave Afghans 15 days to > get rid of all sets and VCRs. After that, if the organization's > enforcers find one in your house, it will be destroyed and you will be > punished. >... sounds good to me; I've raised 5 children who know how to _read_. I've never owned a television, never saw the need to bring cancer into the home. TV could have been one of the greatest educational tools in the existence of mankind --and, what is it? nothing more than bread and circus for the mass, a tool for social reoganization and the destruction of the family. babysitter? momma's little helper? not really; a creator of a vast unthinking social wasteland --which, of course, fits the policy goals of Hillay's Global Village where everybody is just another butterscotch pudding to her recipe. __________________________________________________________________________ go not unto usenet for advice, for the inhabitants thereof will say: yes, and no, and maybe, and I don't know, and fuck-off. _________________________________________________________________ attila__

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Re: "Classified" Ads (Was Re: RSA in perl illegal to export) (fwd)
by lithron 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This does sound like a fun way to protest. I'd be willing to donate a little cash if people would send me copies of the papers that it gets put in. Heh.. it would be good for a laugh to visit an airport on that day just to see all the people taking news papers with them on international flights :) Anyone want to take a stab at a date? lithron at bellsouth dot net Jim Choate wrote: > > Forwarded message: > > > Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 00:47:18 -0500 (CDT) > > From: Xcott Craver <caj(a)math.niu.edu> > > Subject: "Classified" Ads (Was Re: RSA in perl illegal to export) [snip snip snip] > [text deleted] > > I like this idea a lot also. I'm definitely interested... > > Let me look into it but I suspect I could cover Austin, Houston, Dallas, Ft. > Worth, & El Paso in Tx. To ensure accuracy the actual text should be faxed in > if not sent via email. > > Other than a list of current objectionable issues what else should be sent > in? It would be worth a point or two to have it signed 'Publius'.

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. Re: Unix O/S
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Gypsy Wanderer wrote: > > Hi > I'm new to posting on this list (I've been checking it out for a while, > really interesting stuff). > > I'm a computer science student and therefore a newbie, but am interested > in cryptography. > > I will be taking a UNIX course next year and plan to set up a UNIX drive > on my PC. > > I'm interested in getting some advice on which UNIX O/S would be good to > set up. I'm currently aware of FreeBSD, OpenBSD, SCO UNIX, and LINUX. > Suggestions and the reasons why would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, Gypsy > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I'm starting a petition for less wasted bandwidth in cypherpunks. To show your support, just respond to this thread.

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Re: programing
by StanSqncrs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 5/21/98 1:47:56 PM Central Daylight Time, declan(a)pathfinder.com writes: << My favorites are Applesoft BASIC and 6502 assembly. I suggest you go out an buy an Apple IIe. Just think -- no need to deal with any messy compiler, and you've got BASIC in ROM! A win-win situation, I say! >> Oh Man! If you're gonna suggest 6502, go out and get a Cad... - a C-64 with a 6510! Seriously. ;-) Stan Rosenthal

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Re: Archives: Blast from the past on GSM...
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: >Anyway, much more than Y2K, I can imagine some poor old fart sweating away >right now, waiting for some intellegent young hacker to come along and >evicerate his whole installed code base, just because he decided the "rest >of us" were too stupid to figure out how smart he was. Are you imagining "limited traceability" being discovered to be not what it claims to be? It was humorous that several of Chaum's equations were printed upside down and/or mirror-imaged, yet got through the 4-year review process just fine. He must have chuckled at that. And that several "embodiments of the present invention" just flat out said "if you trust this digital transaction you are one dumb MF who deserves to be monitored," thereby assuring the user of his invention that a target is just as dumb. It's impressive that Chaum intends to fleece the law-abiding and the outlaws by getting them chasing their tails thinking they're secretly tracing/escaping the opposition while he laughs all the way to the . . . Y2K is the tip of this techno-shamanry-duplicity, wild humor with a straight-bankers-face, umm, like guess who -- our best Chaumian style comedian.

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17 Dec '03

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re:programming
by josh434＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

i was thinking along the lines of pascal or c i don't want to use apple or any form of it and besides i have a ibm compatible which do you think is better thanx for all your responses they've helped somewhat what is wrong with pascal or c please enclose all things that i should take in to consideration much appreciative josh _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Re: Unix O/S
by StanSqncrs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 5/22/98 10:29:27 AM Central Daylight Time, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM writes: << I'm starting a petition for less wasted bandwidth in cypherpunks. >> You would. << To show your support, just respond to this thread. >> Oh, so there's no way we can show if we don't support your idea. You create what we call an un-level playing field. BUT, in this case, I think there's a simple way that you can have it so there's less wasted bandwidth here. Ban anonomous posting. ;-) Stan

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Off topic.
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Call 1-800-343-3222 to stop the U. S. government from leeching off of the tobacco companies.

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re:programing
by josh434＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hello it is i josh once again i finally bought a book for visual basic does anyone know where i can get a complier for version 5 the book is by waite group press by e zone it's web based though and i don't have the internet but i think it will be fine reading it out of the book what do you think thanx josh _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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Re: programing
by X1 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, May 22, 1998 at 08:33:11PM -0600, josh d smith wrote: | hello it is i josh once again | i finally bought a book for visual basic | does anyone know where i can get a complier for version 5 | the book is by waite group press | by e zone it's web based though and i don't have the internet but i think | it will be fine reading it out of the book what do you think | thanx josh This doesn't appear to have anything even closely related to the purpose of the cypherpunks list. You should look at newsgroups like comp.lang.basic.visual and look at other mailing lists.

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re:programing
by josh434＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sorry if i offended you x1 but everyone else seemed like they were willing to talk on the subject and nothing else was being said and i needed some advise and you all are suposed to be inteligent which some of you have proved thanx everyone for your input so on the subject of cyptogrify (sorry about the spelling) what program do you request using? and where can i get it thanx josh _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

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RE: programing
by Iain Collins 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Saturday, May 23, 1998 3:33 AM, josh d smith [SMTP:josh434@juno.com] wrote: > hello it is i josh once again > i finally bought a book for visual basic > does anyone know where i can get a complier for version 5 > the book is by waite group press > by e zone it's web based though and i don't have the internet but i think > it will be fine reading it out of the book what do you think > thanx josh You don't have the internet? You didn't get it with your CD? - I heard you can get it on 3 x 1.44 MB disks from KwikMart (only $1.99). Now, I'm not too sure how all this 'internet' stuff works (all rather complicated), but don't you need one to send an e-mail? Boy have I been burned... ;) Iain, icollins(a)sol.co.uk PS: If you would like serious answer then feel free to send me a serious question and I'd be happy to help you out (I'd say the questions are off topic from this list :).

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Crypto programs.
by X1 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, May 23, 1998 at 12:11:17AM -0600, josh d smith wrote: | sorry if i offended you x1 but everyone else seemed like they were | willing to talk on the subject and nothing else was being said and i | needed some advise and you all are suposed to be inteligent which some of | you have proved thanx everyone for your input so on the subject of | cyptogrify (sorry about the spelling) what program do you request using? | and where can i get it Some of the best crypto programs: PGP available at http://www.pgpi.com/ If you're in the US, look at http://www.pgp.com/ If you run Linux, you could look at CFS (Cryptographic File System) Look at http://www.cs.hut.fi/crypto for lots of info about crypto, links, algorithms, software, etc.

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Re: vznuri is Vulis
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Information Security wrote: > > From ichudov(a)Algebra.Com Thu May 21 23:09:59 1998 > > Information Security wrote: > > > > From: "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> > > > > as for Timmy, you're better off ignoring him. he doesn't realize that > > > > people take him far less seriously than he would hope. > > > > > > Heh-heh-heh. > > > Vulis's alternate personality is pathetic at flaming. > > > > 1) He is not Vulis's alternate personality > > He says in email he wants to convince me otherwise, > but then failed to follow through with anything > to document a real "Vladimir Z. Nuri". Look, why don't you read two year old archives to figure things out. > > 2) You are also pathetic > And you are Igor. > ---guy, Vulis Terminator > KABLAMMO! dm.com was gone...Vulis never to post in his own name again - Igor.

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re:programing
by Dan S. Camper 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>sorry if i offended you x1 but everyone else seemed like they were >willing to talk on the subject and nothing else was being said and i >needed some advise and you all are suposed to be inteligent which some of >you have proved thanx everyone for your input so on the subject of >cyptogrify (sorry about the spelling) what program do you request using? >and where can i get it COBOL would let you practice putting periods at the end of statements. Learn two things at once! More seriously, code written in C, C++ and Perl is in demand. There's a better chance that more people can maintain or update your code than if it was written in a less mainstream language, and customers tend to appreciate that. Out of those three, Perl is probably the best introductory language. DSC

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Unix O/S
by Gypsy Wanderer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi I'm new to posting on this list (I've been checking it out for a while, really interesting stuff). I'm a computer science student and therefore a newbie, but am interested in cryptography. I will be taking a UNIX course next year and plan to set up a UNIX drive on my PC. I'm interested in getting some advice on which UNIX O/S would be good to set up. I'm currently aware of FreeBSD, OpenBSD, SCO UNIX, and LINUX. Suggestions and the reasons why would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Gypsy ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: Off topic.
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 22 May 1998, Reeza! wrote: > At 02:37 AM 22 05 98 +0200, Anonymous wrote: > >Call 1-800-343-3222 to stop the U. S. government from leeching off of the > tobacco companies. > > > > > > Is there a 1-800 number to stop both the government and the tobacco > companies from leeching off of the general populace? > How do the tobacco companies leech off of the general populace? By selling them something they want? I just don't want to pay five dollars for a pack of cigarettes which is why I'm spamming this number.

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. Re: programing
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

josh d smith wrote: > > hello it is i josh once again > i finally bought a book for visual basic > does anyone know where i can get a complier for version 5 > the book is by waite group press > by e zone it's web based though and i don't have the internet but i think > it will be fine reading it out of the book what do you think > thanx josh > Josh, Visual Basic is object oriented and uses late binding, like Smalltalk. I advise you learn Smalltalk before trying to understand Visual Basic. Also, version 5 is too advanced for a beginner. Start at version one and only upgrade for new features as you need them.

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Clinton Backs Cyber-Terror Warnings
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

May 22, 1998 Clinton Backs Cyber-Terror Warnings Filed at 1:31 p.m. EDT By The Associated Press ANNAPOLIS, Md. (AP) -- Nuclear warheads were the stuff of Cold War stockpiles and beachheads the battlefields of times gone by. To counter today's threats, President Clinton told a new class of Naval officers, the United States must amass germ-warfare vaccines and battle terrorists in cyberspace. ``If our children are to grow up safe and free, we must approach these new 21st century threats with the same rigor and determination we applied to the toughest security challenges of this century,'' the president said today in a commencement speech at the U.S. Naval Academy. For the 769 graduating midshipmen and 139 midshipwomen whose dress uniforms shone blindingly white in the sun, Clinton painted a near-apocalyptic picture of the enemies who threatened their mission beyond the academy. ``As we approach the 21st century, our foes have extended the fields of battle from physical space to cyberspace, from the world's vast bodies of water to the complex workings of our own human body. Rather than invading our beaches or launching bombers, these adversaries may attempt cyber attacks against our critical military systems and our economic base,'' Clinton said. Clinton also called for an interconnected ``cyber-system'' that would warn and minimize damage of attacks on computers that control the stock market, banking, utilities, air traffic and other so-called ``critical infrastructure.'' Private companies including IBM, Dell Computers, Bell South and GTE have already agreed to participate in the ``cyber-system,'' which Clinton wants to be fully operational by 2003, administration officials said. ``If we fail to take strong action, then terrorists, criminals and hostile regimes could invade and paralyze these vital systems, disrupting commerce, threatening health, weakening our capacity to function in a crisis,'' Clinton said. He appointed National Security Council adviser Richard Clarke, who specializes in such issues as drug trafficking and terrorism, to head a new office on infrastructure protection and counter-terrorism. Former Sen. Sam Nunn and Jamie Gorelick, formerly the Justice Department's No. 2 official and now Fannie Mae's vice chairwoman, will lead a private industry advisory group. [Warnings of bio-terrorism snipped]

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Clinton's Anti-Terrorism Initiative
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We've collected news and White House reports on Clinton's broad anti-terrorism initiative announced today, including description of two related Presidential Directives: http://jya.com/prez-init.htm (50K)

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NSA Sets Terms for Secret Court Review
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The US Attorney in the Payne v. NSA lawsuit has described the procedure NSA requires for the case judge to assess NSA's "Glomar response" with a Top Secret-SCI-CODEWORD declaration concerning Crypto AG, NSA backdoor spying on cryptosystems, and other underhanded interceptions: http://jya.com/usa052098.htm

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Need a Decent nntp server
by Assass1n 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This might be a little off subject since I am new to this mailing list but I am in need of a good nntp server because the one my ISP runs is always down if anyone has a list or just one or two good servers that alow sending and receving please let me know Assass1n assass1n(a)division-x.org

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