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17 Dec '03

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Extensis Download Registration
by info＠extensis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: VB 32 Bit Coders (apoligy)
by EpicTeU＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am sorry for sending this mail to the Cypherpunks list I made the same mistake with bugtraq it wont happen again epiC

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FORUM web site
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friday 8/14/98 8:20 PM John Young My mind is working after our conversation a few minutes ago. Morales and I seek to educate others to our experiences. We will share documents on Internet. Libertad help educated me. Here is some of what Libertad said. Libertad is an underground organization. Libertad has helped me more than any number of lawyers ever could. Libertad enumerates the steps the government takes against whistleblowers. 1 Do not investigate the complaint. 2 Investigate complainer. 3 Take action against complainer. 4 Attempt to discredit complainer. Ruin complainer's reputation and career. 5 Attempt to drive complainer to suicide, divorce, alcohol or drug abuse. 6 Financially ruin the complainer through delay another legal tactics. 7 Enlist help of state delegation to destroy the complainer. 8 Improperly influence complainer's lawyer. 9 Improperly influence judge. 10 Load the jury. 11 Hide behind classification. 12 Seal the case to protect the government. John Gowan 73710.141(a)compuserve.com and Max Hernandez are the major forces behind THE UNDERGROUND ORGANIZATION Libertad. Morales and my minds work SLOW when TRYING to decide what to do. Sitting Bull, whose Indian name was Tatanka Iyotake, was born in the Grand River region of present-day South Dakota in approximately 1831. His nickname was Hunkesi, meaning "Slow" because he never hurried and did everything with care. http://www.incwell.com/Biographies/SittingBull.html We LABOR in THOUGHT over alternatives. But then WE STRIKE. Thank you so much for the Chrysler award nomination. http://www.jya.com/chrysler98.htm I am thinking SLOWLY about how we would put-together a FORUM web site with documents which could be easily edited INTO FORMAL DOCUMENTS to help others FIGHT THE GREAT SATAN. Sitting Bull wrote in a statement I cannot find on the web, but read at the Yellowstone museum in West Yellowstone, that THE main function of senior citizens is to educate the young. bill http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2 It has been over about 27 years since I directed any Ph.D. students http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html http://www.friction-free-economy.com/ http://www.mhpcc.edu/general/john.html UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT William H. Payne ) Arthur R. Morales ) ) Appellants Plaintiffs, ) ) 98-2156 v ) 98-2157 ) Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF ) Director, National Security Agency ) National Security Agency ) ) Appellees Defendants ) RESPONSE TO MOTION FOR EXTENSION OF TIME TO FILE MEMORANDUM BRIEFS ADDRESSING JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES 1 COMES NOW appellant plaintiffs [Appellants - Plaintiffs] Payne [Payne] and Morales [Morales] pro se litigants to exercise their rights guaranteed under the Constitution and Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm Any party may file a response in opposition to a motion other than one for procedural order [for which see subdivision (b)] within 7 days after service of the motion, ... http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#27 and FRAP 26c Additional Time after Service. When a party is required or permitted to act within a prescribed period after service of a paper upon that party, 3 calendar days are added to the prescribed period unless the paper is delivered on the date of service stated in the proof of service. http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#26c MOTION FOR EXTENSION OF TIME TO FILE MEMORANDUM BRIEFS ADDRESSING JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES [MOTION] was served on August 3, 1998 by Jan E Mitchell [Mitchell], Assistant US Attorney by mail. Exhibit A. 2 Mitchell writes The Defendant-Appellee, National Security Agency [1], moves this Court for an Order extending the time to and including twenty-one (21) days following the date Plaintiffs-Appellants file their memorandum brief in which to file it memorandum briefs discussing jurisdictional issue in the above-referenced appeals. ... 3. Defendant-Appellee is not seeking an appeal and therefore, will NOT seek a certification for interlocutory appeal from the District Court's memorandum Opinion and Order entered April 30, 1998, nor will Defendant-Appellee seek an order explicitly adjudicating all remaining claims. 4. On July 22, 1998, Plaintiffs-Appellants were granted an extension until September 1, 1998 to respond to the Court's show cause orders of June 30, 1998. 5 . Defendant-Appellee seeks an additional twenty-one (21) days from the date in which Plaintiff's- Appellants' memorandum must be served in which to serve the memorandum briefs. According to the Show Cause Order, if Appellants do not seek and obtain a certification for interlocutory appeal or a final dispositive adjudication concerning appeal N. 9821257, the appeal may be dismissed, in which case a jurisdictional brief would not be required as to that appeal. Should Plaintiffs-Appellants seek and obtain a certification for interlocutory appeal pertaining to No. 2157, in the interest of economy, Defendant-Appellant seeks to file the two memorandum briefs on the two very related jurisdictional issues at one time. 6. Undersigned counsel for Defendant-Appellee has contacted Plaintiff-Appellant William H. Payne who has concurred on his own behalf and own behalf for Plaintiff-Appellant Arthur R. Morales in granting of this motion. ... 3 Payne confirms 6 above in fax Monday 8/3/98 3:41 PM FAX Jan Elizabeth Mitchell Assistant U.S. Attorney U.S. Department of Justice United States Attorney District of New Mexico Post Office Box 607 Albuquerque, NM 87103 505/346-7274 505/766-2868 FAX 505/346-7205 Dear Ms Mitchell: Purpose of the fax is to 1 review points covered in our 8/3/98 14:18 phone conversation 2 suggest settlement. You phoned me today. You told me that you planned to file a motion or response to the Tenth circuit's request Morales and my response to the jurisdictional issue on the 21st of August. I told you that this was premature on your part since we had moved for a second time for an extension of time. I told you also that this matter was now before congress. You appeared to indicate to me that you were in the process of adding both Morales and Minihan as named parties in this appeal. You asked me if it would be agreeable to us if you filed a response to the Tenth circuit 21 days AFTER Morales and I filed our response to the Tenth circuit on the jurisdictional issue. I AGREED. I spoke to Morales on the phone shortly after our phone conversation. Arguing points of law before court clerks and judges who have outstanding criminal complaint affidavits for crimes COMMITTED IN WRITING against them would be unproductive on Morales and my part. Therefore, we will proceed to resolve the criminal conduct on the part of judges and court clerks before we proceed further in this matter. We will do this at the Congressional level. Senate Judiciary Committe chairman Orrin Hatch, unfortunately, failed to properly process a valid complaint on New Mexico district court chief judge John Conway in 1995. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm Hatch's failure to properly respond in 1995, in large part, caused our current legal conflict with DIR NSA Minihan. We foresee an unfortunate escalation of hostilities if this matter proceeds as it is. We do not wish this. We seek settlement of the UNFORTUNATE matter at the earliest time. We ask your and Congressional help to settle this UNFORTUNATE matter before it gets WORSE. If I have made any essential material errors in reporting my impression of the contents of our conversation, then I would appreciate you giving your impression of possible errors. You can do this in the letter you said you would write to us. Sincerely, bill payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Distribution Senate Judiciary Committee e-mail Arthur R Morales e-mail 4 Michell responds to 3 in letter dated August 4, 1998. Exhibit B Mitchell writes I have received Mr. Payne's FAX dated August 3, 1998 at 4:22. I want to clarify a few points. ... As to the caption of the appeal, I have noted in the motion for extension of time which has been filed with the Tenth Circuit that there was an additional Defendant numbed in the District Court case. However, I am constrained at the time to use the caption which the Tenth Circuit is reflecting on its pleadings. I will forward your FAX suggesting settlement to Defendants. Sincerely, JOHN J. KELLY United States Attorney signature JAN ELIZABETH MITCHELL Assistant U. S. Attorney 5 Federal Rules of Civil Procedure http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/overview.htm Rule 54(b) states (b) Judgment Upon Multiple Claims or Involving Multiple Parties. When more than one claim for relief is presented in an action, whether as a claim, counterclaim, cross-claim, or third-party claim, or when multiple parties are involved, the court may direct the entry of a final judgment as to one or more but fewer than all of the claims or parties only upon an express determination that there is no just reason for delay and upon an express direction for the entry of judgment. In the absence of such determination and direction, any order or other form of decision, however designated, which adjudicates fewer than all the claims or the rights and liabilities of fewer than all the parties shall not terminate the action as to any of the claims or parties, and the order or other form of decision is subject to revision at any time before the entry of judgment adjudicating all the claims and the rights and liabilities of all the parties. Interpretation of meaning of 54(b) is RULE 54(b) JUDGMENTS UPON MULTIPLE CLAIMS OR INVOLVING MULTIPLE PARTIES CORE CONCEPT A judgment entered as to less than all claims in a lawsuit, or as to less than all parties in a lawsuit, is not immediately appealable. Instead, the appeal must generally await the entry of judgment as to all remaining claims and parties. However, the district court can make a judgment as to less than all claims or parties "final", and thus immediately appeals, by expressly certifying that no just cause exists to delay the appeal and by directing the entry of judgment. APPLICATIONS Prerequisites to Rule 54(b) There are three prerequisites for obtaining an immediately appealable judgment from the district court entered as to less than all claims or parties. 1: Multiple Claims or Parties Fully Resolved: To be eligible for immediate appeal under Rule 54(b), a partial adjudication must either (a) finally resolve at least one claim or (b) finally resolve the rights and liabilities of at least one party. A claim or a party's interest MUST be adjudicated to finality, such that there is nothing more to do that claim or that party but await the conclusion of the remaining portion of the litigation. This limitation is a pivotal one. Rule 54(b) does not alter the normal rules of appellate finality for individuals claims, and no appeal may be taken from district court ruling or any particular claim until the court finally resolves that claim. Multiple claims exist where each claim is factually separate and independent, or where each claim could be enforced separately. 2: No just Cause for Delay: The district court must state, in clear and unmistakable language, that there is no just cause to delay the appeal of the adjudicated claim or the adjudicated right and liability of a party. Whether "just cause" exists is a determination made on a case-by-case basis. Certain criteria guide the court's consideration: o The relationship between adjudicated and unadjudicated claims; o The possibility that the need for appellate review might be mooted by future developments in district court; o The possibility that the district court might be obligated to consider the same issue on a later occasion; o The presence (or absence) or a claim or counterclaim that could result in a set-off against the judgment now sought to be made final and appealable; and o Other factors, including delay, economic and solvency concerns, shortening of trial time, frivolity or competing claims, and expense. 3: Entry of judgment: In clear and unmistakable language, the district court must also direct that judgment is entered as to that one claim or one party. Explanation by the District Court In its order entering a Rule 54(b) judgment, the district court must clearly explain why it has concluded that an immediate appellate review of that order is advisable. Burden of Proof The moving party bears the burden of establishing that a partial judgment should be entered under Rule 54(b). Discretion of District Judge Whether to enter a judgment under Rule 54(b) is reserved to the sound discretion of the district judge. Such arguments are contrary to the historic federal policy against piecemeal appeals. For this reason, Rule 54(b) orders are not granted routinely or an accommodation to counsel. Instead, the district court must carefully balance the needs of the parties for an immediate appeal against the interests of efficient management of the litigation. Motions for Rule 54(b) Judgments A party may file a motion with the court to certify under Rule 54(b), or the court may do so on its own initiative. Effects of Rule 54(b) Judgments Once entered, the time for appeal on the judgment begins to run, and does post-judgment interest. Appealability of Denials for Rule 54(b) Requests Allowing immediate appellate review of "partial" final judgments is a practice that departs from the federal courts' traditional opposition to piecemeal appeals. Rule 54(b), thus, represents an unusual exception to this settled policy. Predictably, the court reject immediate attempt to challenge denials of Rule 54(b) judgments as premature and unappealable until a final ruling his entered on the merits. Federal Civil Rules Handbook 1996, Baicker-McKee, Janssen, Corr, West Publishing Company 6 Appellants-Plaintiffs assert that there is NO REASON to seek a Rule 54 (b) certification for the REASON THAT New Mexico district judge Santiago Campos [Campos] already issued such certification. FACT 1 4 May 1998 Campos writes NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS ORDERED that sua sponte, Defendant is DEEMED by the Court to be the NSA, and not Lt. Gen. Kenneth A. Minihan. Future captions for this case should reflect this change. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant's Motion to Dismiss Plaintiff Morales is GRANTED. http://jya.com/whp043098.htm 1: [A] claim or a party's interest MUST be adjudicated to finality ... has been satisfied. FACT 2 2: is satisfed. [N]o just Cause for Delay: Dismissing Minihan and Morales have nothing to do with the remaining claims of whether AppelleeS- DefendantS Minihan and NSA provide lawfully requested documents on 1 Iran messages given to Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war. http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm http://caq.com/cryptogate 2 Libyan message intercepted by the US 3 deficient NSA cryptographic algorithms FACT 3 3: In clear and unmistakable language, the district court must also direct that judgment is entered as to that one claim or one party. NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS ORDERED that sua sponte, Defendant is DEEMED by the Court to be the NSA, and not Lt. Gen. Kenneth A. Minihan. Future captions for this case should reflect this change. IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Defendant's Motion to Dismiss Plaintiff Morales is GRANTED. http://jya.com/whp043098.htm is QUITE CLEAR. FACT 4 Motions for Rule 54(b) Judgments A party may file a motion with the court to certify under Rule 54(b), or the court may do so on its own initiative. Campos issues Rule 54(b) certification ON HIS OWN INITIATIVE. However, I shall await decision on the appeals before the Tenth circuit prior to setting a date for presentment of the classified Declaration or before taking any further action in this case. FACT 5 Therefore, no Rule 54(b) certification needs to be sought by Appellants-Plaintiffs. 7 Campos did not explicitly state in Campos's June 29, 1998 letter http://jya.com/sec062998.htm or in Campos' MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER http://jya.com/whp043098.htm that a Rule 54(b) decision was issued. Therefore, Appellants-Plaintiffs seek to clarify Campos intention Wednesday 8/12/98 Certified Return receipt requested Santiago E. Campos, Senior Judge P.O. Box 2244 U.S. Courthouse South Federal Place Santa Fe, NM 87504-2244 Re: William H. Payne v. National Security Agency Civ. No. 97-0266 SC/DJS Dear Judge Campos, We assume that your statement However, I shall await decision on the appeals before the Tenth circuit prior to setting a date for presentment of the classified Declaration or before taking any further action in this case. in your June 29, 1998 letter seen at http://jya.com/sec062998.htm is a sua sponte Rule 54(b) certification for immediate appeal. If we are incorrect in our assumption, then we ask that you write us and explain why we would need to wait to appeal. Clearly we have satisfied the three conditions required for immediate appeal which we are sure you are acquainted. If not, however, these conditions are included in Federal Civil Rules Handbook 1996, Baicker-McKee, Janssen, Corr, West Publishing Company Also, we would ask that you justify seeking permission for appeal from a judge who has issued a MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER when appellants have satisfied Rule 54(b) conditions if you choose to respond negative. If we do not hear from you Monday August 31, 1998, then we will treat our assumption as correct. Sincerely William H. Payne Arthur R. Morales 13015 Calle de Sandias NE 1024 Los Arboles NW Albuquerque, NM 87111 Albuquerque, NM 87107 8 Appellants-Plaintiffs receive Exhibit C UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT WILLIAM H. PAYNE; ARTHUR R. MORALES Nos. 98-2156 Plaintiff - Appellants, 98-2157 NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY, Defendant - Appellee. ORDER Filed August 6, 1998 The appellants and appellee are granted additional time until September 21, 1998 to this court's show cause order of June 30, 1998. All other requests contained in the appellants; motion filed August 4, 1998 are referred to the panel of judges who will hear this case on the merits. Entered for the Court PATRICK FISHER, Clerk of Court by: signature Randy Simmons? Deputy Clerk A Hearing MUST be corrected to include defendant Minihan. B Clerk FISHER has not addressed his removal from the appeal for previous title 18 felony violations of law. C ORDER does not address selection of three judge panel so not to include judges accused of Title 18 felony violations of law or biased judges. WHEREFORE 9 CORRECT ORDER Filed August 6, 1998 to include NSA Director Minihan. for reason 1 Find out who is RESPONSIBLE 2 Hold them ACCOUNTABLE 3 Hold them individually and their agency FINANCIALLY LIABLE Some may pay with their lives for http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm http://caq.com/cryptogate http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm http://www.qainfo.se/~lb/crypto_ag.htm if this matter is NOT PEACEFULLY SETTLED. 10 EXPLICITLY RESPOND to request for removal of clerks FISHER and Hoecker from this appeal. 11 EXPLAIN how an unbiased panel of judges can be found at the Tenth circuit. Respectfully submitted, William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Arthur R. Morales 1024 Los Arboles NW Albuquerque, NM 87107 Pro se litigants CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE I HEREBY CERTIFY that a copy of the foregoing response and motion was mailed to Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF, Director, National Security Agency, National Security Agency, 9800 Savage Road, Fort George G. Meade, MD 20755-6000 and mailed to Jan E Mitchell, Assistant US Attorney, 9 Floor, Bank of America Building, 3rd and Tijeras, ABQ, NM 87102 an original and three copies as required by FRAP 27(d) http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#27d United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit, 1823 Stout Street, Denver, Co 80257 by CERTIFIED RETURN RECEIPT REQUESTED mail August 12, 1998. 9

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17 Dec '03

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by STUFFED/EUREKA! 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Read Me Now
by 0ikg＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Move the name and address that was under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is removed from the list and has NO DOUBT collected large sums of cash! Please make sure you copy everyone's name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion of this letter. 4. Now you're ready to start an advertising campaign on the WORLDWIDE WEB! Advertising on the WEB can be very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Another avenue which you could use for advertising is e-mail lists. You can buy these lists for under $20/2,000 addresses or you can pay someone to take care of it for you. BE SURE TO START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN IMMEDIATELY! 5. For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will help guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! To grow fast be prompt and courteous. ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ **Order each Report by number and name** Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH FOR EACH REPORT - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA THE QUICKEST DELIVERY - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper - On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your postal address. _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: L. Smith 7082 Woolworth Rd. Shreveport, Louisiana 71129 _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: BUBBA C. PO BOX 18424 SHREVEPORT, LA. 71138 _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: SDS 2536 LEXINGTON DR. LA PLACE, LA. 70068 _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: THE D AND S CO. P.O. BOX 3293 CHANDLER,AZ. 85244-3293 _________________________________________________________________ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$ ----------------------------------------------------------------- Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 1st level--your 10 members with 5 = $50 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) = $500 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) = $5,000 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000) = $50,000 THIS TOTALS ----------->$55,550 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Lots of people get 100s of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20). You obviously already have an internet connection and e-mail is FREE!!! REPORT#3 shows you the most productive methods for bulk e-mailing and purchasing e-mail lists. Some list & bulk e-mail vendors even work on trade! About 50,000 new people get online every month! *******TIPS FOR SUCCESS******** TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report to comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 8,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received." * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, the results WILL undoubtedly be SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! *******YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINE******* Follow these guidelines to help assure your success: If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 50 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, continue advertising until you do. Once you have received 50 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash can continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business taxes. This letter has been edited to help comply with the Federal Trade Commission requirements. Any amounts of earnigs listed in this leter can be factual or ficticous. Your earnings and results are highly dependant on your activities and advertising. This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Pratices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of consumer Protection in Washington DC. *******T E S T I M O N I A L S******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS I just want to pass along my best wishes and encouragement to you. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. I even checked with the U.S. Post Office to verify that the plan was legal. It definitely is! IT WORKS!!! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Sincerely yours, Phillip A. Brown, Esq. Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For a while, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S. the people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program...11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA You have great potential for extra earnings that is available at your finger-tips! You have unlimited access to wealth, but you must be willing to take that first step! ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!!!

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another RSA tattoo
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cancer Omega <comega(a)sekurity.org> sent me a nice RSA in perl tattoo he has had done on the left of his chest. See: http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/tattoo2.html (and for the other tattoo see: http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ ) Adam

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Re: pool size
by Alex de Joode 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

URL: http://personal.sip.fi/~lm/c2txt2c/ Problem: There is problem with free speech in the USA: Judge Gwin of the Federal District Court of the Northern District of Ohio has recently held that software is not protected by the First Amendment because it is a ``functional device'' like a telephone circuit. Demonstration that C source is speech: I made a program that translates C-source for Blowfish cryptographic algorithm to English. Comment by author: "********************blowfish.h*******************". Comment by author: " $Id: blowfish.h,v 1.3 1995/01/23 12:38:02 pr Exppr $". There is Robert code named "MAXKEYBYTES" who has 56 leafs. Comment by author: " 448 bits ". There is William code named "bf_N" who has 16 leafs. There is Edward code named "noErr" who has 0 leafs. There is Richard code named "DATAERROR" who has -1 leafs. There is Michael code named "KEYBYTES" who has 8 leafs. This rugged Charles code named "subkeyfilename" says "Blowfish.dat" any time he has chance. >From here I'm assuming that melons are about same size as coconuts. >From here I'm assuming that apples are about same size as oranges. >From here I'm assuming that cherries are about same size as strawberries. Thats was all things related to that thing. Comment by author: " ORDER_BADC ". There exist process named "opensubkeyfile". Process should takes these things as input: nothing. That process usually produces tomatoes. I will tell later more about that process. There exist process named "F". Process should takes these things as input: Donald code named "x" liking coconuts. That process usually produces coconuts. I will tell later more about that process. There exist process named "Blowfish_encipher". Process should takes these things as input: location of Ronald code named "xl" liking coconuts and location of Allen code named "xr" liking coconuts. That process usually produces nothing. I will tell later more about that process. There exist process named "Blowfish_decipher". Process should takes these things as input: location of Ronald code named "xl" liking coconuts and location of Allen code named "xr" liking coconuts. That process usually produces nothing. I will tell later more about that process.

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Other Hagengruber fun with taxpayers' money
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Saturday 8/15/98 8:04 AM J Orlin Grabbe I read Nuclear BIOS Sandia Scraps Guided Nuke Project We were just having fun, Hagengruber says Sandia National Laboratories has shut down an effort to design a guided nuclear bomb that critics say was aimed at Third World targets. Sandia pulled the plug because of controversy over the fact that the lab never received permission for the project from senior levels of the Clinton administration, said Sandia vice president Roger Hagengruber. A flight test scheduled for next month in which an unarmed prototype was to have been dropped from an airplane has been canceled, Hagengruber said, and lab scientists will wrap up their reports on their four-year work on the project by the end of September. Critics said the $15.5 million project was intended to give U.S. military forces a new kind of nuclear bomb that could be used in conflicts against small nations trying to acquire nuclear, biological or chemical weapons. ... http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ At the height of implementing the seismic data authenticator http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm based on NSAs deficient algorithm. See Appendix S http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm#apps I SQUANDERED about $50k EACH WEEK on a flawed concept based and a deficient algorithm. My ROUGH guess that I WROTE OVER $250,000 in purchase orders for the Sandia seismic data authenticator! This amount DID NOT INCLUDE MY SALARY, a TECHNICIAN, and Travel. The first implementation was done in 1974, by R. E. D. Stewart, D. A. Reynolds, and J. G. Deasey. This was a "bench test" implementation in the sense that the algorithm was done in hardware wire, wrapped on "cash" cards, and placed in a test rack. http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm Reynolds and Deasy did the work. Stewart was one of Hagengubers spook shop [building 868] employees. Stewart merely wrote the report. Stewart wrote that the cost of the prototype was $400,000 if my memory is correct. The money came from outside Sandia, perhaps NSA or DARPA. I was ordered by project leader H B Durham to hold the cost down. I was also ordered by Durham follow NSA's orders. Durhams exact words were If they want a pink overcoat, sell them a pink overcoat. I KNEW while I was doing the work that both the data authentication concept was flawed - multiple redundant stations is the correct AND CURRENTLY IN USE concept - and the algorithm was BAD. So did Durham from what he told me. Durham regarded the data authenticator as a necessary political evil, was my opinion. Durhams boss was John Holovka. Holovkas boss was Paul Stokes. Stokes told me that the concept of data authentication was invented at Sandia and that he, Stokes, invented it. Stokes ordered the data authenticator fielded over the classification objections of NSA. Stokes boss was ROGER HAGENGRUBER. Ive been involved with shift register implementation work for a LONG TIME. It has been over about 27 years since I directed any Ph.D. students http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html http://www.friction-free-economy.com/ http://www.mhpcc.edu/general/john.html So I documented the bad NSA algorithm and implementation advice. http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm My SAND report cost A LOT OF MONEY to produce for the REPORT ALONE. But NOT ALL OF THE MONEY WAS WASTED. 1 http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2 2 http://jya.com/f86/whpf86.htm The seismic data authenticator is ANOTHER OF ROGER HAGENGRUBERS PROJECTS Later bill Friday 8/14/98 9:06 AM John Young http://www.jya.com/index.htm J Orlin Grabbe http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Roger Hagengruber is making news http://www.abqjournal.com/scitech/1sci8-14.htm Hagengruber 1 was Jim Durham's office mate when Hagengruber was new at Sandia. H. B. Durham who served as project leader http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm 2 was C William Childers' boss 3 was James Gosler's boss 4 was Paul Stokes' boss Originator: Paul A. Stokes Date: 4/28/92 http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm 5 encouraged Sandia to do more 'work for others' projects like for the FBI and NSA. This includes the 'spiking work' for NSA. http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ricono.htm http://www.qainfo.se/~lb/crypto_ag.htm http://caq.com/cryptogate 6 told employees that Hagengruber favored shifting Sandia labs from DOE control to DOD control. 7 was one of the main people involved in getting me fired and CAUSING THIS MESS. http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm http://www.aci.net/kalliste/nukearse.htm http://www.aci.net/kalliste/sandcryp.htm http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm 8 Hagengruber looks like he may have relative working at Sandia HAGENGRUBER,MICHAEL L. (505)844-0628 MLHAGEN (505)844-7284 0121 HAGENGRUBER,ROGER L. (505)844-7310 RLHAGEN (505)844-1424 1231 http://www.sandia.gov/cgi-bin/emplloc?ename=hagengruber This matter CLEARLY should be settled before it GETS WORSE! Later bill

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Creating Wealth in America (36370)
by 3syute65259＠sjoki.uta.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Creating Wealth In America >From the desk of Robert Allen, The Author of 2 Mega Best-Sellers, Nothing Down and Creating Wealth in America. San Diego, California 11:29 P.M. "I can't sleep until I get this off my chest." "I'm extremely frustrated." Odds are that nine out of ten people who receive this letter will discard it without a second thought. Yet, I know that I have discovered a secret that could change your financial life forever! And I'm willing to share it with you for FREE. Do you want to end your money pressures forever? Do you want to double your income? Do you want to build an extra stream of income quickly? If you answered yes, then let me show you how you can begin living your dreams, this year before it's too late. I'll get right to the point. As it says on the letterhead, my name is Robert Allen. I'm famous for my two #1 New York Times best-selling books. Nothing Down and Creating Wealth in America. There are lots of millionaires who credit their success to one of my books or seminars. So when I share this secret with you, I want you to know that I've done my homework. Here it comes. I have discovered what I believe is the perfect home-based business. Although I'm well known for real-estate investment books and seminars, this new business has absolutely nothing to do with real-estate. In fact, it's much easier and far less risky. It involves: -No employees -Little risk -Little start up cash -It's so simple, anyone can do it You could be earning $1,000 a week in as little as 90 days. One person I know went from zero to $3,000 a week in 60 days. That's $150,000 a year extra, hassle-free income! In my 20 years of research, I can honestly say, "I've never seen a faster, easier way to create a stream of income". I know this sounds too good to be true. Frankly, I didn't believe it myself at first. Finally, I agreed to check it out. As a test, I selected a small group of people and introduced them to this incredible opportunity. Almost immediately, many of them started earning profits. Within a week, many were earning incomes of $4,000 per month in net cash flow. Now, some of them are cashing checks for $3,000 a week. And this is just the beginning! Their earning potential could be unlimited! Would you like to learn how to do that? I'd love to show you how. But only if you're interested enough to make one telephone call. The number to call immediately is 1-888-572-3714. It's a 3-minute, 24-hour recorded message. This may be the answer you have been seeking. Warmly, Robert G. Allen P.S. I want to show you how to create extra streams of income quickly. Go to the phone and call now 1-888-572-3714. ****************************** 53634

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Re: quantum problem suggestions?
by David Honig 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:39 PM 8/10/98 -0600, Mike Stay wrote: >I'm looking for a problem in cryptogrpahy that might be solvable (or at >least, done faster) on a quantum computer that hasn't been treated yet. >Any suggestions? >-- >Mike Stay No, but you may be interested in: _Science_ Vol 281 7 Aug 98 p 793 "Abrams et al. have shown that if there was even the slightest amount of nonlinearity in quantum mechanics, no matter what, it would be possible to modify the amplitude amplification scheme of quantum search to obtain an efficient algorithm for NP-complete problems" The Abrams ref is D. Abrams et al, quant-ph/9801041 The article ends with perhaps the understatement of the millenia: "It is possible that one of these might result in an algorithm that could solve NP complete problems. Such a solution would greatly increase the interest in building a quantum computer." ** "Why is my computer not faster?" asked the gardener. "Turn the spigot" said the engineer, pointing to the valve at the far end of the hose which the gardener held. The gardener did so, and shortly thereafter felt the hose stiffen. With that, the gardener was enlightened.

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Aliens built 750 foot plonker/Man plays todger like a guitar http://stuffed.net/98/8/15/
by STUFFED/EUREKA! 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Welcome to today's issue of Stuffed. To read it you should click on the URL below. If it is not made clickable by your email program you will need to use your mouse to highlight the line, copy it and then paste it into your browser (then press Return). http://stuffed.net/98/8/15/ If you have an email program that can display web pages you will find today's front cover should have already been disp- layed and can be clicked on to take you straight to Stuffed. This email is never sent unsolicited. Stuffed is the supplement for the Eureka newsletter you subscribed to. Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka!

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I have seen the future...
by jhuy87ik＠yahoo.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is the information that you requested concerning your attendance at the last Computer/Internet Expo or when you purchased the software from one our business affiliates. I HAVE SEEN THE FUTURE And it will change your world soon... I receive a lot of telephone calls. All of them interesting-some of them fascinating. Seldom though, do I receive a call that I would truly refer to as "compelling." That is, of course, until my phone rang about 3 weeks ago. I still can't believe it. Odd call. Gentleman wanted some information-specific information. Of course I had a few questions that I needed answered first. "What's the product?" "Can't tell you," came a rather hollow reply. "Can't tell me? Why not?" I pressed, becoming increasingly more curious-and irritated-by the moment. Seeming to change the subject he said, "We want you to come take a look, and give us your opinion." "Come where? And give you my opinion on what?" "We'll send you a plane ticket." Three days later, I found myself staring out the window of that early morning Delta flight as we made our final approach, wondering what in the world I have got myself into. Met with the founders and the young man who had invented the technology. I guess it was about 55 minutes into the presentation that I understood what these guys were up to, and the profound effect this was going to have upon the world-our world. While I sat there riveted on the CEO's every word, transfixed by the passion emanating from his steel blue eyes, I felt like some character in a spy novel, conspiring on a plot to overthrow the government. One day, I'll tell you the whole story. What you ask could have such a profound effect upon our world? THE TOTAL DESTRUCTION OF THE TELE-COMMUNICATION INDUSTRY AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS!! I've recently been invited to the high technology company discussed above. It is a new publicly traded company. It will be the Microsoft of the telephone industry. It is extremely well funded and has patented high technology. The proprietary technology is the most significant advance in over 100 years of tele-communications. Protected by 2 patents covering 48 applications, we have a private network infrastructure at a pre-opening investment of approximately 23 million dollars. We are not re-sellers of Long Distance time; rather a direct competitor to AT&T and others. To illustrate the potential of this proprietary technology: the internal cost of AT&T to complete a call is calculated at approximately 3 cents per minute; MCI and Sprint the second and third largest competitor based on cost of approximately 4 cents per minute. Our private network "compression technology" can accomplish the same call for as little as 2/ 100th of a cent per minute. For example, AT&T and MCI just announced they were going to cut their basic rates by 5% during the daytime and 15% during the nighttime. On a 15 minute coast to coast call AT&T's new price will be $4.65 during the day for their average customer, our regular price to every customer every day (24 hours per day, 7 days per week) is $1.18. We can afford to beat AT&T pricing because of our technology. But you ask, do I have to use any special equipment. Absolutely not. Just pick up the phone and call the party you want to reach. Pricing is only the tip of the iceberg with our new technology. Our multimedia products are going to make your life so much easier. Star Trek is here, right now and our smart communications platform will bring it to you. AT&T, MCI, and Sprint, look out there is a new major player in town. We will only work with a limited number of individuals to launch this company. If you think you have what it takes or have proven that you do, do not wait a moment longer. This is a ground floor business opportunity, with a compensation package potentially 300% more lucrative than our nearest competitors. Would you agree I have something here that spells opportunity? If yes, we need to talk further, immediately. Call for information and cassette 1-800-741-6240 Please Leave your name and telephone number and the best time to reach you. ************************************************************ Removal Instructions... It is in no way my intention to send anything to anyone who is not interested in the information; If you would like to receive future updates, simply called 1-800-741-6240 and indicate your name, address, and telephone number Please complete all information. If we do not hear from you, you will be automatically removed from future updates and will not be contacted again.

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what?
by shizheng 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Snoop by net
by Newsletter26＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

They can get your password They can tap into your answering machine & use it to listen into your live conversation or listen to your messages. They can read your email and even use your phone line to go online. They can decode the phone number you are dialing in seconds. They can dig up the dirt and secrets on anyone All from the Internet They know the back end of AOL and use its secrets to have fun on the Internet. They can fax for free and place calls for free How? It's all too easy and we'll show you how they do it so that you can protect yourself. Snoop-by-net reveals all. They snoop on their friends, their boss, or their enemies Learn how they take full advantage of the Internet. You'll be shocked. We'll show you where they go in order to uncover the dirt on everyone just by using the Internet. Use these secrets to protect yourself and do research on employees or your new date. Know where your friends are online, where they have been Track down people using only their email address Research employees, loved ones, teachers, or your neighbors do they have a criminal record, have they ever been pulled over for speeding, are they using a fake social security number? We will teach you how you can quickly find out even personal information about anyone. Join the people who have already read our publication and learn how to turn your Internet connection into a super SNOOP machine. Act now and get your Super Spy Links for free. (order before 08/20/98) Super Spy Links offers an exhausting look at how you are just a couple of mouse clicks away from finding out just about every bit of public information on someone, along with some scary personal information as well. ORDER NOW: to learn just how powerful the Internet really is. Snoop-by-net is only $19.95 + 4.00 Shipping & Handling. Make check or money order payable to CellTalk P.O. Box 1084 Murray Hill Station New York, NY 10156 We will ship first class mail the same day. or... FAX your order for faster delivery !!! Please print and fill out each line legibly. { } Visa { }Mastercard (Please check one) CC# ______________________________________________ Expiration Date: ____________________________ Name on card: ___________________________________ Billing Address (Must match credit card billing address:) ___________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ Zip Code _______________________ ** Zip code must match the billing address of credit card Shipping Address __________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ Zip: __________________________ Signature:_____________________________________________________ Phone Number with area code: ___________________________________ E-Mail Address: ____________________ Your credit card will be billed for $19.95 plus $4.00 Shipping & handling Fax this CREDIT CARD offer to (212) 290-8009 for instant ordering

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Re: CLINTON/STARR SCRAMBLED
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Anonymous wrote: > >> One of the hottest telecasts in American history will be scrambled >with the >> latest encryption technology and put on a special fiber-optic line >from the >> White House to the courtroom, the DALLAS MORNING NEWS reports in >Thursday >> editions. They were going to use a safer, though less interactive technology, but fortunately some WhiteHouse staffer realized that _somebody_ out there would make a joke about "Sex, Lies, and Videotape" and it'd be all over for Slick Willy... Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Announcement: Cryptanalysis of Frog (an AES Candidate)
by Bruce Schneier 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Results Announcement: D. Wagner, N. Ferguson, and B. Schneier, "Cryptanalysis of Frog," Counterpane Systems Report, Aug 1998. Abstract: We examine some attacks on the FROG cipher. First we give a differential attack which uses about $2^{58}$ chosen plaintexts and very little time for the analysis; it works for about $2^{-33.0}$ of the keyspace. Then we describe a linear attack which uses $2^{56}$ known texts and works for $2^{-31.8}$ of the keyspace. The linear attack can also be converted to a ciphertext-only attack using $2^{64}$ known ciphertexts. Also, the decryption function of FROG is a lot weaker than the encryption function. We show a differential attack on the decryption function that requires $2^{36}$ chosen ciphertexts and works on $2^{-29.3}$ of the keyspace. Using our best attack an attacker with a sufficient number of cryptanalytical targets can expect to recover his first key after $2^{56.7}$ work. Taken together, these observations suggest that FROG is not a very strong candidate for the AES. This paper is available at http://www.counterpane.com/publish.html, and will be made available at the AES Workshop next week. Cheers, Bruce ********************************************************************** Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems Phone: 612-823-1098 101 E Minnehaha Parkway, Minneapolis, MN 55419 Fax: 612-823-1590 Free crypto newsletter. See: http://www.counterpane.com

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Weekly Checks...
by thanford5＠sprynet.com 17 Dec '03

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Microsoft Electronic Commerce patent: Prior Art?
by Bruce Schneier 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just received this in email. Bruce ------------begin forwarded message-------- Dear Bruce, the Microsoft Patent 5,768,385 filed Aug. 29, 1995, issued Jun. 16, 1998 on "Untraceable Electronic Cash" is nothing more than a well written remake of the "Anonymously Transferable Standard Values" presented at IFIP Sec 1986 under the name "Anonymous Standard Value Accounts", published both in the Pre- and Post-Proceedings there, more detailed in a research report of 1987 and even published in a refereed journal, Computers & Security in 1989, see below. I do not know the legal system of the US well enough to know whether challenging the patent is worthwhile and I do neither have the time nor money to do it for myself, but I think it is at least worthwhile for the security community to know. So please feel free to distribute this information, e.g. within CRYPTO-GRAM. Yours Andreas ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Most of the references below can be downloaded at http://www.semper.org/sirene/lit/sirene.lit.html Holger Bürk, Andreas Pfitzmann: Value transfer systems enabling security and unobservability; Security and Protection in Information Systems (IFIP/Sec. '86), A. Grissonnanche (ed.), North-Holland, 1989, 225-237. (Superseded by the following BüPf-papers.) Holger Bürk, Andreas Pfitzmann: Value Transfer Systems Enabling Security and Unobservability; Interner Bericht 2/87, Fakultät für Informatik, Universität Karlsruhe 1987. (37 pages; Abstract and paper available online. See also BüPf_89, BüPf_90.) BüPf_89 Holger Bürk, Andreas Pfitzmann: Digital Payment Systems Enabling Security and Unobservability; Computers & Security 8/5 (1989) 399-416. (Abstract and paper available online.) BüPf_90 Holger Bürk, Andreas Pfitzmann: Value Exchange Systems Enabling Security and Unobservability; Computers & Security 9/8 (1990) 715-721. (Abstract and paper available online.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andreas Pfitzmann Technische Universitaet Dresden Phone (home) +49 351 3161973 Fakultaet Informatik (office) +49 351 4638277 Institut Theoretische Informatik (secretary) +49 351 4638247 D 01062 Dresden Fax +49 351 4638255 Germany e-mail pfitza(a)inf.tu-dresden.de ------------end forwarded message-------- ********************************************************************** Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems Phone: 612-823-1098 101 E Minnehaha Parkway, Minneapolis, MN 55419 Fax: 612-823-1590 Free crypto newsletter. See: http://www.counterpane.com

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Defcon Social Engineering Contest
by Wardemon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Internet is rickety
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This isn't coderpunks material; I'm copying to cypherpunks instead. (I've also removed letters(a)sjmercury.com from the Cc:.) At 08:01 AM 8/16/98 -0700, Alex Alten wrote: >Bruce, >You are making it sound worse than it is. The underlying network >routing infrastructure is designed to be extremely robust in the face >adverse conditions (originally it was nuclear attack). I'm only aware >of two incidents that actually ground large parts of the Internet to a >halt. The 1st involved a bug in the backbone rounters when the Internet >was young and had relatively few nodes. The 2nd was the Morris worm Physical damage is one thing; logical-level damage is another. Some newer vulnerabilities are the DNS system and routing protocols. There was a major DNS failure a year or so ago when NSI or one of the root servers published a garbled database; I don't remember details. That's annoying, but easily noticed, and easy to work around, and easier to prevent happening in the future. But it's also easy to trick the DNS root servers from outside (as Kashpureff did), or mess with them inside (I forgot why Postel did that recently.) A more serious problem occurred when some small ISP misconfigured their Border Gateway Protocol parameters, announcing to the whole world that their little T1 line was the best way to get almost anywhere from almost anywhere else. This was only mildly untrue until a few large providers updated their tables to reflect it, at which point their T1 started to melt, taking much of the Internet down with it. This kind of thing _can_ happen again; the interesting problem is what if somebody deliberately starts doing it a lot.... And much of the world's traffic goes through MAE-WEST and MAE-EAST, as a way of getting between ISPs, though bigger carriers have direct connections between their networks, and many small ISPs at least have direct connections to their continent-wide carriers. The MAEs and other NAPs get slow fairly often, and occasionally just get fried; a major outage could be a serious problem, so the fact that MAE-EAST lives in a parking garage in the DC area may or may not bother you. That's three ways that the whole Internet can have serious trouble; there are presumably a number of others, if you believe in Murphy or believe the L0pht's announcements. Then there are more subtle problems - what happens if Altavista dies? (Yes, there are other search engines, but probably 3-5 major ones.) And there are the increasing number of portal and free email services from Hotmail, Excite, Altavista, MyYahoo, Netscape, etc., which will take out large numbers of users' mail access if any of them dies. And then there's AOL, which is probably a pretty robust design, and which may or may not be missed by people on the _real_ Internet if it dies for a while, but could also cut off lots of users from the net. Also, much of the robustness derives from having _enough_ excess bandwidth in the network that if you lose a good chunk of it, you'll still have enough for the remaining users (the nuclear war scenario does reduce the user population as well as the network...) But you can get into localized problems, for example the cable cut that trashed uunet's access to Florida the other week, and the Internet doesn't have a widespread priority mechanism to identify "more important" traffic, though there are many mechanisms for prioritizing individual users' networks. It still works pretty well, but that doesn't mean it's not rickety. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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by nobody＠nsm.htp.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Are there PGP for WindowsCE? Thanks.

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by STUFFED/EUREKA! 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Adobe Acrobat encryption details
by Fade 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, I was hoping someone might be able to point me to details on .PDF file encryption. I'm specifically interested in key-generation (which hash is used?) and if there is consistant known-plaintext in .PDF file headers. I've searched around, and all I can find is that Acrobat uses rc4, which isn't very helpful... Thanks! -=fade=-

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Re: European freedoms...
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>With the exception of some lifestyle options Europeans probably have >less freedoms than Americans. How come that the fraction of Americans in prison is ten times higher than the fraction of West Europeans?

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by james pack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by CTIA Daily News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: European freedoms...
by FTPPork＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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ECHELON SYSTEM
by Ric V. Carvalho 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thought you all might be interested in seeing this. -R http://www.villagevoice.com/ink/news/33vest.shtml Listening In Suppose, this past weekend, you sent an e-mail to a friend overseas.=20 There's a reasonable possibility your communication was intercepted by a global surveillance system--especially if you happened to discuss last week's bombings in East Africa.=20 Or suppose you're stuck in traffic and in your road rage you whip out a cell phone and angrily call your congressman's office in Washington.=20 There's a chance the government is listening in on that conversation, too (but only for the purposes of "training" new eavesdroppers).=20 Or suppose you're on a foreign trip--vacation, business, relief work--and you send off a fax to some folks that Washington doesn't view too keenly. Your message could be taken down and analyzed by the very same system.=20 That system is called ECHELON and it is controlled by the U.S. National Security Agency (NSA). In America, it is the Intelligence Network That Dare Not Be Acknowledged. Questions about it at Defense Department briefings are deftly deflected. Requests for information about it under the Freedom of Information Act linger in bureaucratic limbo. Researchers who mention possible uses of it in the presence of intelligence officials are castigated. Members of Congress--theoretically, the people's representatives who provide oversight of the intelligence community--betray no interest in helping anyone find out anything about it. Media outlets (save the award-winning but low-circulation Covert Action Quarterly) ignore it. In the official view of the U.S.=20 Government, it doesn't exist.=20 But according to current and former intelligence officials, espionage scholars, Australian and British investigative reporters, and a dogged Ne= w Zealand researcher, it is all too real. Indeed, a soon-to-be finalized European Parliament report on ECHELON has created quite a stir on the other side of the Atlantic. The report's revelations are so serious that it strongly recommends an intensive investigation of NSA operations.=20 The facts drawn out by these sources reveal ECHELON as a powerful electronic net--a net that snags from the millions of phone, fax, and modem signals traversing the globe at any moment selected communications of interest to a five-nation intelligence alliance. Once intercepted (based on the use of key words in exchanges), those communiqu=E9s are sen= t in real time to a central computer system run by the NSA; round-the-clock shifts of American, British, Australian, Canadian, and New Zealand analysts pour over them in search of . . . what?=20 Originally a Cold War tool aimed at the Soviets, ECHELON has been redirected at civilian targetsworldwide. In fact, as the European Parliament report noted, political advocacy groups like Amnesty International and Greenpeace were amongst ECHELON's targets. The system's awesome potential (and potential for abuse) has spurred some traditional watchdogs to delve deep in search of its secrets, and even prompted some of its minders within the intelligence community to come forward. "In som= e ways," says Reg Whittaker, a professor and intelligence scholar at Canada's York University, "it's probably the most useful means of getting at the Cold War intelligence-sharing relationship that still continues."=20 While the Central Intelligence Agency--responsible for covert operations and human-gathered intelligence, or HUMINT--is the spy agency most people think of, the NSA is, in many respects, the more powerful and important o= f the U.S. intelligence organizations. Though its most egregious excesses of 20 years ago are believed to have been curbed, in addition to monitoring all foreign communications, it still has the legal authority t= o intercept any communication that begins or ends in the U.S., as well as use American citizens' private communications as fodder for trainee spies. Charged with the gathering of signals intelligence, or SIGINT--which encompasses all electronic communications transmissions--the NSA is larger, better funded, and infinitely more secretive than the CIA. Indeed= , the key document that articulates its international role has never seen the light of day.=20 That document, known as the UKUSA Agreement, forged an alliance in 1948 among five countries--the U.S., Britain, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand--to geographically divvy up SIGINT-gathering responsibilities, with the U.S. as director and main underwriter. Like the NSA--hardly know= n until the Pike and Church congressional investigations of the '70s--the other four countries' SIGINT agencies remain largely unknown and practically free of public oversight. While other member nations conduct their own operations, there has "never been any misunderstanding that we're NSA subsidiaries," according to Mike Frost, an ex-officer in Canada's SIGINT service, the Communications Security Establishment (CSE).= =20 Moreover, all the signatory countries have NSA listening posts within their borders that operate with little or no input from the local agency.= =20 [snip... please see URL for rest of article.] -o- Subscribe: mail majordomo(a)sekurity.org with "subscribe isn". Today's ISN Sponsor: New Dimensions International [www.newdimensions.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply From: Simon Johnson <simon.johnson(a)shake.net> Hello All, For those that are interested in Echelon. (oops I've said the "E" word) I would recommend the following book: Title: Secret Power - "New Zealand's Role In The International Spy Network" Author: Nicky Hager Publisher: Craig Potton Publishing ISBN: 0-908802-35-8 It was this book that made the Echelon system public knowledge. Press Release: http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/sp/sp_p.htm More Information: http://www.hamradio-online.com/1996/dec/echelon.html http://www.saar.de/~bong/archiv/echelon.html Hope all this helps. Best regards, Simon Johnson Technical Director Shake Communications Experts in Internet and Information Security http://www.shake.net -------------------------MESSAGE SEPARATOR----------------------------- Don't be alarmed, this is only bait for eavesdropping government computers at NSA Inc., CIA Inc. and FBI Inc. Pirates, Privateers and Brigands that they are!!!! Their computers are keyed to trigger on such words and copy the suspect communications to their system. 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Cable TV...... No Monthly Bills
by mudoe38＠hokomaha.co.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Announcement: New Twofish Results
by Bruce Schneier 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Results Announcement: N. Ferguson, , "Upper Bounds on Differential Characteristics in Twofish," Twofish Technical Report #1, Counterpane Systems, Aug 1998. Abstract: In our initial paper the Twofish block cipher was introduced, and initial estimates of an upper bounds on the probability of a 12-round differential were given. These results used an imperfect model of Twofish. We present an improved model, and show that any 12-round differential characteristic has a probability of at most $2^{-102.8}$. This paper is available at http://www.counterpane.com/twofish.html, and will be made available at the AES Workshop next week. Cheers, Bruce ********************************************************************** Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems Phone: 612-823-1098 101 E Minnehaha Parkway, Minneapolis, MN 55419 Fax: 612-823-1590 Free crypto newsletter. See: http://www.counterpane.com

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Private Doorbell - Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, August 15, 1998
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bruce Schneier wrote in his newsletter > It seems that every few months we get key-escrow repackaged with a new name. > The latest new name is "Private Doorbell," and the spin is that the keys > are escrowed in the routers. Other than the name, there's really > no difference between this and other key escrow schemes: Based on the talk by Elizabeth Kaufman from Cisco at the Bay Area Cypherpunks meeting, I'd say you're wrong. (I'm pleasantly surprised; this is the first "compromise" I haven't rabidly disliked.) (Elizabeth says not to blame her for the name, it's Cisco's PR folks' fault.) The Private Doorbells proposal says that routers that encrypt have a clear side and a black side, and if you want to wiretap them, you can already wiretap the clear side, so Louis Freeh should be happy enough (since it meets the "legitimate needs of law enforcement", even though it the blocks no-warrant no-knock wiretaps he'd really like) so just give us the export permits we want and stay off our backs. There's no special key escrow in the routers, it's just doing what encrypting routers do already, and if Big Louie wants to wiretap an ISP today, he can try to get a warrant and then do it. It seems to me that there's a minor catch - routers with multiple private-line encrypted interfaces can decrypt and encrypt traffic without ever hauling it through an Ethernet where it'd be easy to tap, but most of those configurations still have an Ethernet somewhere, and any Bad Guy who's doing encryption at the endpoints ought to be using end-to-end encryption anyway. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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http://stuffed.net/98/8/18/
by STUFFED/EUREKA! 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: European freedoms...
by Rob Carlson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- America is the only country that requires me to be anally violated by one of their official queens as a condition of entry into a country I'm a citizen of. In my view, Americans were fooled into trading their freedom for a piece of paper that everyone roundly ignores. Namely, the Bill of Rights. We should've known America was not a free country when they kept repeating that it was all the time. America is actually a land of intolerant, bigoted people who can't wait to kill their neighbors. While all the time proclaiming themselves to be the most moral and free people in the universe. Don't bother suggesting that I 'Love it or Leave It'. I already have. Rob Carlson <robc(a)xmission.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.0 (C) 1997 Pretty Good Privacy, Inc iQCVAwUBNdmOSsymxXJdz3TJAQH2zAP+OdkqB92urN2oEKOVK0Ni+uDtmJeb5Bes mbugAPHVdVbHNiLTuaI8882rAJmSwxQa7cJ0ic2RLfHWlt/meDehEM/PcNL0cmaw UskfE7aIZewURTa3LBBak+gwGhaqEDDZbAGgYfGAiXjMOxBITir67IPbeNIqj+iW p5FwFMHfFsQ= =Z8cJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 18, 1998
by CTIA Daily News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM. Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. If you cannot open the icon/attachment, please visit http://www.wow-com.com/professional/ for the wireless daily news. Don't miss the major conference on implementing Phase 2 of the E-911 requirement--August 26-27 in San Francisco. For more information, click http://www.wow-com.com/pdf/locntech.pdf ===========================================

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Re: Private Doorbell - Re: CRYPTO-GRAM, August 15, 1998
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:29:12 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote: >so Louis Freeh should be happy enough >(since it meets the "legitimate needs of law enforcement", Not to bug you personnally, just a comment on the general state of affairs: IMHO, there is no such thing as "legitimate needs of law enforcement" that could justify such a limitation of the freedom of the individuals who had done nothing wrong. "legitimate" in our present context means to "counter things that are presently illegal", notwithstanding that an immense portion of the population, which in essence does not try to get a free ride from some sort of law, do not agree at all with the said law. Somehow, I think that it is time to emphasize our taking of the moral high ground. Ciao jfa Definition: FACISM: n.: a political and economic movement, strongly nationalistic, magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to those of the individual, in which industry, though remaining largely under private ownership, and all administrative political units, are controlled by a strong central government. ------------------------------------------------- "One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their purpose, without resistance, is by disarming the people and making it an offense to keep arms". - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice. ------------------------------------------------- the German gun control laws were enacted by the "liberal" Weimar Republic government that preceded Hitler, and were a strong aid to his coming to power -- because they disarmed Hitler's opponents, and Hitler's adherents ignored them -- as criminals have always ignored gun control laws. Disarming the public is a frequent first step toward dictatorships and genocides. Once the disarming is complete, the public is helpless against those who have the guns. ------------------------------------------------- PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada DePompadour, Société d'Importation Ltée Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers Instrumentation & control, LabView programming PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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email travel information
by Ltisue＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am interested in travel between Knoxville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa. I would also be interested in Nashville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa or Atlanta and Des Moines, Iowa. Please notify me of specials in these markets. Thanks, Linda Tisue ltisue(a)aol.com

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have a special. If you line up behind my foot, I'll boot you in the ass all the way to any of the places mentioned. Free of charge. Does that sound like a good special? The best things in life are free, like a foot shoved in your ass. Wouldn't you agree? At 03:27 PM 8/18/98 -0400, Ltisue(a)aol.com wrote: >I am interested in travel between Knoxville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa. >I would also be interested in Nashville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa or >Atlanta and Des Moines, Iowa. Please notify me of specials in these markets. > >Thanks, >Linda Tisue > >ltisue(a)aol.com >

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Re: European freedoms...
by Lars Weitze 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Yae that's right! But esp. Germany is tending to the same way to "secure" the citys like in New York. -- "One dead is a tragedy, thousand deads are a statistic." Karl Marx e-mail: chromedemon(a)netcologne.de http://chromedemon.home.pages.de http://www.netcologne.de/~nc-weitzela2 -----Original Message----- From: Secret Squirrel <anon(a)squirrel.owl.de> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> Date: Montag, 17. August 1998 23:32 Subject: Re: European freedoms... >>With the exception of some lifestyle options Europeans probably have >>less freedoms than Americans. > >How come that the fraction of Americans in prison is ten times higher >than the fraction of West Europeans? > >

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by FTPPork＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's people like Lt that give AOL a bad name... I am sorry to say I am a part of it, but I just keep it because I don't feel like switching... ah well. At least they have TCP/IP protocols now with Win 95 ex: Hiroshima 45, Tsjernobyl 86, Windows 95 (Please, correct my spelling if I misspelled Tsjernobyl) Anyway, Lt... get real, this is Cypherpunks, not travel.

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by Jørgen Spangen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

school suckes

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