December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Wiretaps and Surveillance Expanded
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Note: Alan is referring to the closed-door added provisions available at: http://jya.com/fiiti.htm From: Alan Davidson <abd(a)CDT.ORG> Subject: House Passes Roving Wiretaps, Expands Federal Surveillance Powers House Passes Roving Wiretaps, Expands Federal Surveillance Powers In a closed-door manuever, controversial "roving wiretap" provisions were added to a major Intelligence authorization bill and passed by the House this afternoon. Current wiretapping law allows tapping of a particular person's phones. The new provisions would dramatically expand current authority by allowing taps on any phone used by, or "proximate" to, the person being tapped -- no matter whose phone it is. Such a broad law invites abuse. In the last Congress, the full House of Representatives rejected these provisions after an open and vigorous debate. This week, behind closed doors, a conference committee added the provisions to the important Intelligence Authorization Conference Report, almost certain to pass the Congress. The provisions were not in either the original House or Senate versions of the bill. CDT is particularly concerned that such an expansion of federal authority should take place without a public debate. The text of the new roving wiretap provisions will be available this evening on CDT's Web site at: http://www.cdt.org Alan Davidson, Staff Counsel 202.637.9800 (v) Center for Democracy and Technology 202.637.0968 (f) 1634 Eye St. NW, Suite 1100 <abd(a)cdt.org> Washington, DC 20006 PGP key via finger

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Re: NT 5.0 and EFS -- A victory for widespread use of crypto?
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

EFS is being deployed because They realized that with NTFS-readers available for other OSes besides NT there was no longer even the illusion of security offered by the NT architecture. Hence they figured they'd scramble things up a bit. It leaves some interesting features OUT ... it will not Save The World. At 06:06 PM 10/7/98 -0500, Steve Dunlop wrote: > >All, > >Does anyone have any opinions on the encrypting file >system (EFS) that is supposed to ship with NT 5.0? > >The white paper on the MSDN web site says it uses >DESX (no explaination as to what the X is) and an >RSA public key algorithm to store the symmetric keys, >which are random for each file. > >So what's DESX? > >EFS appears to have the architecture to support >arbitrarily long keys although this has been crippled >in the NT5.0 release, presumably because of >export limitations. It has the key recovery features >you would expect in a commercial product of the >type; they can be turned off administratively. > >Is this a victory for wider use of encryption? > >-- >Steve Dunlop >letters: "dunlop" at "bitstream" dot "net" >http://www2.bitstream.net/~dunlop > > > >

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Re: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:08:08 -0400 (EDT) > From: Ryan Anderson <ryan(a)michonline.com> > Subject: Re: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd) > > Consider the difference in volume of these two waste products... > > > Really? The amount of fuel that goes into a nuclear plant is farirly low, > compared to the amount shoved into a coal plant. Exactly my point. A 1000MW coal plant produces approx 300,000 tons of waste product per year. A nuclear plan produces .5. This means the concentration of the chemicals in the coal plant are much lower by many orders of magnitude than the nuclear, hence making the nuclear waste more toxic by a great deal. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:52:17 -0400 (EDT) > From: Ryan Anderson <ryan(a)michonline.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > > The Mafia. The handful of world-class coke dealers. Your local church. > > Umm... both of those are around because the governemtn made the cost of > delivering both alcohol and drugs prohibitively high, That's inaccurate. The Mafia pre-dated the US by several hundred years if not more (depends on how one wants to choose the bloodline). Most definitely they predated the bans on alcohol. As to the coke market, In S. America it has been around for quite a while as well. The chemical has been used medicinaly for hundreds of years until just recently. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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Dr Suess - Fox in Sox Part 2
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a new poem found in one of Dr. Suess' books: Starr: I'm here to ask As you'll soon see -- Did you grope Miss Lewinsky? Did you grope her In your house? Did you grope Beneath her blouse? Clinton: I did not do that Here or there-- I did not do that Anywhere! I did not do that Near or far -- I did not do that Starr-You-Are Starr: Did you smile? Did you flirt? Did you peek Beneath her skirt? And did you tell The girl to lie When called upon To testify? Clinton: I do not like you Starr-You-Are -- I think that you Have gone too far I will not answer Any more -- Perhaps I will go Start a war! The public's easy To distract -- When bombs are Falling on Iraq!

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:12:58 -0400 (EDT) > From: Ryan Anderson <ryan(a)michonline.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Those were monopolistic markets? If not, you're forgetting the whole > basis of the discussion. I apologize for the length and range of topics, I think I got carried away and wandered a tad...:) At the time. Absolutely. What was happening is that the markets were going through a growth phase. This phase was partialy defined by the conflict by the many small wanna-be's who got weeded out quickly. As time went on the 'families' developed. Such a period is the early 1900's and also during the Irish expatriate phase for example. The size of the potential market is seen as valuable by all. They percieve their resource control and quantity is at near parity so small differences in strategy can become amplified. Very shortly (at least mathematicaly) a cylcle of halving participants (knock off the competition) and doubling of resource control occurs if we assume parity. Now consider a slight increase in efficiency in one strategy over another (or it could have a significantly longer life span) and the geometric growth of resources control that occurs as a result. Historicaly what one sees is a sudden increase in competition (of one form or another) and then a falling off of competition and a reduction in participants. As soon as the remaining participants percieve a market advantage and the belief in sufficient resource stores the cycle repeats itself all over again. Note that I don't prohibit 'brittle' markets that because of some process or mechanism breaks out to 1-of-n survival rates. This can be modelled quite easily using cellular automatons and playing with the rules that define the 'neighborhood'. Only in a market that is no where near saturation, meaning to have all consumers supplied (see your local grocery, all one or two of them... one of the issue with produce market saturation is the time-to-delivery for fresh produce. This helps explain why for a given goegraphic area you see two or perhaps three major grocery chains.), do you see a situation where businesses grow in parallel in roughly equivalent rates (otherwise they die out). This is where model of ecology come into play, such as the red and brown squirrel example I used a while back. You don't even need overt conflict to saturate the market because of limited resources and slight variances in survival strategy expressed over many generations. An additional result of the monopolization in the real world are some foot-prints behaviours of corruption and abuse. Such things as reduction of product quality, increase in price to compensate for increase R&D costs (there are now fewer bright people involved commercialy because business can't afford to hire critical infrastructure people and they be flighty, at least not for long), maintenance efficiendy of systems and mechanisms falls-off, unsafe and life-threatening behaviours such as toxic waste dump, etc. Now some folks will scream and holler about law and police. But this turns our model into a(t least) slightly regulated market, an entirely different beast. Further there is the argument that 'the word' will get around. What has never been explained is the mechanism this will occur with when the producers (aka media) are effected negatively by it (how do they stay in business?...advertisement, who buys advertisement? It ain't your grandma that's for sure.). Given that there are no police or other enforcement bodies (perhaps because there is nothing to enforce in a pure free-market economy) even a rare resort to violence has huge pay-offs. That's just playing right into human nature. My argument is thus (and I intentionaly leave the issue of what is money out for brevity. Consider it some system of value agreed upon at least partialy by both parties): A free-market exists. The market consists of two, and only two, types of parties. The parties are called suppliers and consumers. It is possible for a supplier to be a consumer at the same time. There are many suppliers and consumers. The intent of a supplier is to make profit, profit above all else. This profit is expressed as money paid to the share-holders. A share-holder is a person or party who puts up money to a supplier to use for operations in return getting a cut of the resultant profits (or losses). The limitations and relationships are defined or mediated by contracts. A contract is a list of issues and resolutions which both part agree to in order to pursue some goal. It is implicit because of the requirement of 'fair competition' in free-market economies that the agreement by a party to a contract is without coercion of one form or another. The parties agree to contracts according to some percieved strategy. Given the efficiency of a strategy (ie producing n+i money for n initial investment, and make i some honker of a function that goes through the roof if you please). Given sufficient time, even if fair competition is taken as a given, the difference in strategies will produce a monopolization. Either through elimination or by subsumption, two or more businesses mergeing operations to reduce cost, increase efficiency (to the advantage of the business, not necessarily to the consumer), and reduce staffing and other resource sinks. The monolithic image of the consumer base by the business only increases potential for price inflation, quality reduction, etc. - where else you gonna go? Start your own business, every time you don't get your way, in a new industry? Get real. It is a rare day in *any* market model when a consumer begins direct competition with a supplier (except in the very initial phases of technology development - ala those jaunty young men in their flying machines). I hold that *any* such market will saturate. In other words the number of long-term suppliers will reduce such that only a hand-full and in some more ideal cases a single supplier in a given industry or market. At least some of the issues in that process will be the total potential sales of the product, costs of manufacturing, complexity and resource requirements of the process or mechanism, communcations speed, geography, etc. I do not believe that given any potential business strategy it is guaranteed to fail. That in fact some business strategies *properly* applied will in fact sustain themselves indefinitely. Now considering the Prisoners Delima and the maximal stratgy (ie play along and cheat occassionaly) are implicit in human behaviour because of our biological history any system that we develop will as a result have involvements of those issues. Because of that bias in behaviour, because there is no third party to arbitrate disputes that would be acceptable to either party (in principle at least), reduction in the quality or quantity of product for a given price level, etc. the market will eventualy provide these long-lived strategies ample opportunity to collect resources and experience to such a level as to effectively shut out all potential competition. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. 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Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code)
by Eric S. Raymond 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Perry Metzger writes: >I live in both Richard Stallman's world (the Open Source community) >and in the Cypherpunk crypto community. > >The two have different goals. RMS is mistaken about appropriate >licensing for crypto code written by cypherpunks because he thinks the >goals are the same, when they are not. > >The Open Source community seeks maximum spread of free software. >The Cypherpunk community seeks maximum spread of the use of non-GAKed >cryptography. With respect, Perry, I think you may actually have confused *three* different agendas. RMS's advocacy of the GPL should not be taken to represent the entire open-source community, and GPL is not the only license conforming to the Open Source Definition. The open-source community as a whole shares many of RMS's goals, but much of it differs with RMS, in a way very relevant to this conversation, on the question of tactics. There's serious question as to whether the spread of open-source software is best served by a "viral" license like GPL, or by licenses like BSD's which allow the code to be used without disclosure conditions by commercial developers. The Open Source Definition embraces both kinds of license. That is very much by design. Clearly, the "non-viral" licenses such as the BSD or MIT licenses exactly serve the purposes of developers such as EAY who would like the impediments to reuse of their code to be as low as possible. Accordingly, I urge you not to encourage an artificial split between the cypherpunks and the open-source community. Your licensing argument is not with the open-source community as a whole, it is very specifically with the partisans of the GPL. I think I may safely assert that the wider open-source community regards the cypherpunks valuable as allies in the struggle for freedom and openness, and would not press you to sacrifice your objective of spreading non-GAKed cryptography in order to conform to a licensing doctrine that we, ourselves, do not unanimously agree with. -- Eric S. Raymond The following is a Python RSA implementation. According to the US Government posting these four lines makes me an international arms trafficker! Join me in civil disobedience; add these lines of code to your .sig block to help get this stupid and unconstitutional law changed. ============================================================================ from sys import*;from string import*;a=argv;[s,p,q]=filter(lambda x:x[:1]!= '-',a);d='-d'in a;e,n=atol(p,16),atol(q,16);l=(len(q)+1)/2;o,inb=l-d,l-1+d while s:s=stdin.read(inb);s and map(stdout.write,map(lambda i,b=pow(reduce( lambda x,y:(x<<8L)+y,map(ord,s)),e,n):chr(b>>8*i&255),range(o-1,-1,-1))) Every Communist must grasp the truth, 'Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.' -- Mao Tse-tung, 1938, inadvertently endorsing the Second Amendment.

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No Subject
by Clinton Duclaux 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Another potential flaw in current economic theory... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:35:41 -0500 > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > Subject: Re: Another potential flaw in current economic theory... (fwd) > >aware of the dangers to personal freedom that governments represent. The > >goal of the Libertarians is to provide a system that minimizes government > >and maximizes personal freedom. In the US this system takes the form of a > > The creation of government is incompatible with concept of freedom, Then freedom is incompatible with human psychology. People are social animals and will build social institutions (ie government), it's in their genes. > it is like a doctor saying that he/she will introduce "a little cancer" to > help cure you of something. The point is to create a market with 'fair competition', something that won't occur naturaly because of a variety of reasons. If you'd like to see some of them then refer to: Inidividualism and Economic Order FA Hayek ISBN 0-226-32093-6 Individualism: true and false, Section 7 (pp. 45 in my copy) ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Tea
by Jeff Penrod 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tea in a Whole new Bag by L. Neil Smith More and more it seems that nothing can bring this country's politicos and bureaucrats back under control (to the extent they ever were) as the Founding Fathers intended. Bureaucrats are more anonymous and unreachable every year: no matter how incensed we get -- or how many of us get that way -- politicians reelect themselves like clockwork. Though it's all the rage among those concerned with such matters, I've never been satisfied that term limitation won't achieve the opposite of what's intended, removing a final curb on runaway do-goodery and social experimentation. With respect to recent passage of what's supposed to be the 28th Amendment, the most naive American today knows more than James Madison did of the way politicians fix things to suit themselves. They'll override ratification, agree to vote raises for their successors, or simply make their mercenary move early in their terms, in the comforting knowledge that voters will have forgotten what they did by Election Day. It should be clear now that the imposition of Bill Clinton on the productive class -- by 43% of the electorate -- has only made things worse. In an age where half the average person's income already goes to taxes of one kind or another and the other half for goods and services with prices doubled by taxation and doubled again by regulation -- and where bureaucrats represent a greater threat to life, liberty, and property than politicians -- what's needed is something more certain than term limitation and harder to get around than Madison's schedule for congressional pay hikes. Allow me to introduce the "Taxpayers' Equity Amendment": 1. No elected or appointed official at any level of government may receive more in total salary, benefits, and expenses during his term of office -- or for 5 years afterward -- than his average productive-sector constituent; individuals, and employees of companies deriving more than 10% of their revenue from government will be excluded for purposes of calculating the average. 2. Those subject to the Taxpayers' Equity Amendment will be required to participate in the Social Security system for as long as it continues to exist; all outside income (from a business, inheritance, investments, a spouse's wealth, speaking fees -- to name only a few examples) will be "invested in America" by being placed in randomly-selected savings and loan institutions until the 5-year period expires. 3. Those subject to the Taxpayers' Equity Amendment will be required to file weekly income/expenditure forms for scrutiny by the IRS, the media, and the public; telephone hotlines and lavish rewards for "whistle-blowers" will be provided; all salary and benefits of officials under suspicion of having violated the Taxpayers' Equity Amendment will be suspended pending the results of any investigation. 4. Violations of the Taxpayers' Equity Amendment will result in summary removal of that official, loss of salary, benefits, expenses -- along with all deposited monies -- and no fewer than 25 years in that federal maximum security prison currently deemed most violent; introducing, sponsoring, or voting for legislation meant to evade the Taxpayers' Equity Amendment, or to falsify the statistical base on which calculations are made, will be treated as violations. The primary goals of the Taxpayers' Equity Amendment are: (A) to punish politicians and bureaucrats for past, present, and future crimes against the lives, liberties, and property of "We the People of the United States", (B) to make sure their fortunes rise and fall with ours -- so they're forced to scrape along by day by day like the rest of us, one paycheck away from bankruptcy -- and, (C) to give them something better to do with their time than to continually threaten, at our expense, our fundamental rights and well-being. It'll also save taxpayers around $300 billion a year. The Taxpayers' Equity Amendment can begin working now, before it ever passes into law (even if it never does), if it's circulated widely via computer bulletin board networks and other means, appears frequently in magazine and newspaper letter columns, and if it's sent to all your favorite office holders. Have fun.

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Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 13:12:48 +0100 > From: "Frank O'Dwyer" <fod(a)brd.ie> > Subject: Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code) > Well then, "Cypherpunks write code". Wide deployment of crypto > components in closed-source programs (especially by cluebags) is neither > necessary nor sufficient to achieve "more strong crypto" in the sense > that Cypherpunks mean it, in my opinion. (Yes, it's better than nothing, > but not much better.) > > > The conclusion in the GNU vs. BSD/SSLeay/etc. license debate should be clear. > > Well, it clearly isn't, as evidenced by the large number of fairly > bright people arguing about it. :) Which is why this discussion is a perfect example of why thematic or monotonic solutions don't work for 'people' systems. The GPL folks want credit, reward, and a say in the life cycle of their work. The BSD folks aren't interested so much in their own credit as an economic incentive to distribute and develop code. While the PD group cares not one whit about credit, economics, or distribution, just so it's available. Then there is the 'other license' group which without specificying the prefered license is a smorgasboard of beliefs and tastes piled into one category because of a lack of other clear characteristics. Clearly implying that even the GPL-BSD-PD-Other categories are insufficient to reasonably define this issue. An apparently simple but very complex set of issues and goals. It simply must be admitted that one license won't fulfill any groups goals in toto, cypherpunk goals or not. What I find really interesting about this discussion is the clear examples of inertia in personal taste regarding licenses, all the arguing in the world won't change that. The second aspect is that way people talk about 'cypherpunks' as some homogenious entity with definable and fixed goals. Especialy when it is clear cypherpunks are anything but. It's almost like some folks believe being a cypherpunk is like joining a lodge. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore?
by Jukka E Isosaari 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://caq.com/cryptogate Are people familiar with this document? Why shouldn't NSA have implanted this kind of back-doors in various software and operating systems as well? It seems to have worked so very well in the past. ++ J

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No Subject
by Tom Allard 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To: "'m1tca00(a)frb.gov'" <m1tca00(a)ccgate.FRB.GOV> Subject: Request for Assistance From: Gordon Jeff INSP <Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:12 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Gordon Jeff INSP <Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov> Hello, The IRS and United States Attorney's office are looking for assistance in a criminal investigation involving threatening messages which were posted to the Cypherpunks mailing list. This e-mail address was noted to be one of those which receives the Cypherpunks list. I would appreciate it if you would contact me to discuss whether you would be willing to assist us in this matter, and what records or information you have relating to the Cypherpunks list. You can contact me at this e-mail address or at (503) 326-2787. Thanks Jeff

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Re: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:47:34 +0000 > From: Michael Hohensee <mah248(a)is9.nyu.edu> > Subject: Re: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd) > The latter does not necessarily follow from the former. Consider the > example of natural gas and gasoline. You don't get to conclude your > argument that easily! :) And you don't get to try such short ones either.... What specificaly is there about the relationship between natural gas and gasoline that leads you to believe that the comparison of lethality between the waste products of a coal plant vurses a nuclear plant is such that the waste of a nuclear plant is more lethal because there is more toxic byproduct and it is in higher concentrations? ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 06:56:06 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Then your argument that free markets lead to monopoly collapses. No it doesn't. > You cannot have monopoly (in the sense of the power to extract monopoly of > profits) except by state intervention as has been proven by experience time > and time again. Examine history with an unbiased eye. > You have been unable to provide any examples of monopolies except those > created by state intervention, such as the railaways, and those existent > soley in your fevered imagination, such as the garment industry. Incorrect. I have listed several examples (eg meat-processing in the 1920's) where the resultant involvement of the government came *AFTER* (not before as you claim) there was evidence of wide spread abuse of the consumer and the employee of those producters. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:06:51 -0600 (MDT) > From: Jim Burnes <jvb(a)ssds.com> > Subject: Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code) (fwd) > On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Jim Choate wrote: > > > Especialy when it is clear cypherpunks are anything but. It's almost like > > some folks believe being a cypherpunk is like joining a lodge. > > > ssssshhhhhhh..... > > BTW: I see your dues are not payed up. I've checked the records and > the polaroid of you spitting on the cross is missing. You can run, > but you can't hide, Mr Choate. Good your falling for it.... Always choose where your battles are fault and deny your opponent that decision. Now, chase me just a little farther.... ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: NT 5.0 and EFS -- A victory for widespread use of crypto?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

geeman(a)best.com writes: > > EFS is being deployed because They realized that with NTFS-readers > available for other OSes besides NT there was no longer even the illusion > of security offered by the NT architecture. This is all true. However, the manner in which you state it sounds very much like a deliberate attempt to trash Microsoft and NT. The fact is that the identical arguments could be made toward any of the standard Unix-like and all other popular operating systems. Linux, *BSD, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, et al.--even where the vendors have a `trusted' version--are all susceptible to the same attacks. Hence, by your reasoning, one would have to say that the architectures of every one of these operating systems do not offer `even the illusion of security'. - Frondeur

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Are there any web sites offering bounties for Americans, like the Americans have for foreigners? Or have their domain names been deregistered, their spines pinched at the backbone, their WANs LAN'd? Surely the well-funded jihads could do this. And they haven't got some law prohibiting assasination to hold them back.

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Re : Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore?
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

J, This stuff has been on and off the list for quite some time now. I think the general opinion is that you cannot trust any software that does not come with full source code. Especially operating systems ( read : Windows ). Furthermore, hardware could be untrustworthy. As an example of the latter just imagine a keyboard chip that takes the serial data signal, ANDs it with the clock and runs the current-limited output through a metal loop on the die or couples it to an outside trace that is not likely to be filtered. Instant keyboard transmitter. Short range but probably usable. Try it outside the chip, I'll bet an old AM radio will pick it up pretty well. If you have better receivers try 1x, 3x, 5x ... clock carrier frequencies. What sort of other things would you design into an OS or a CPU or peripheral chips if you wanted to snoop? Let the OS do the keysnoop for you and send it off through the network? Keystrokes seem like the obvious choice because they are low-bandwidth and have a high information content but someone who's smarter can probably think of all kinds of other stuff to send. ls -al > G-buddy. You know, keystrokes are so low in bandwidth that I bet a receiver/recorder could be placed on your premises, say behind an outlet for power, and checked surreptitiously only when needed - how long would it take you to fill a 1Gb drive from your keyboard? I don't think that there can be real security unless you use embedded systems ( unknown to the OS and Host HW ) for critical roles and maintain two machines - one clean in a cage, the other on-line and without any sensitive information. Use sneakernet between the two using media that you can readily analyse. If I can think up a feasible method to do something in 5 minutes it was probably already done a long time ago and the people who do this stuff full-time have probably taken the field to amazing heights. They seem to be able to get cooperation from commercial companies too. Snooping probably won't be done wholesale, too expensive in terms of manpower, and I don't know anyone who needs real security but, in principle, everyone should have it. mike *** Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore? http://caq.com/cryptogate Are people familiar with this document? Why shouldn't NSA have implanted this kind of back-doors in various software and operating systems as well? It seems to have worked so very well in the past.

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No Subject
by Patrick Hudson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Have spent the last few weeks going through various web pages describing GSM cloning. Some contradicting views, but overall the point is well made (and quite correctly) - cloning and/interception/monitering is both viable and achieveable. I recently was commissioned to look into this subject on behalf of a client who wished to moniter a GSM phone. Putting aside the rights and wrongs of the issue, we realised the objective. In summary it is possible to moniter/intercept a GSM phone using 2 pieces of commercially avaliable RACAL equipment, linked via a custom made preselector/combiner. The overall setup is easily portable and is controlled via a pc. It goes without saying that RACAL do not market the hardware for the above purpose - it has legitimate engineering needs, and is marketed under that legimate need. RACAL do not make the precombiner/selector (we had to make that) and they do not market the software AT ALL. I suspect that they are aware that the hardware in conjunction with the software (and access to a combiner/spliter)would give access to interception. So you must be thinking what sim parameters (or other parameters) had to be programmed into the pc software programme to allow selective interception of a GSM phone? Very little - in fact all that had to be programmed in was the phone number of the GSM handset to be targeted - and absolutely nothing else! It's food for thought. Best Regards Patrick_33(a)hotmail.com *This is not for general distribution on the web, but is shared with you on the basis of what appears to be a serious discussion on the subject on your side. please respect that aspect of confidentuality and feel free to get back to me with any comments you may have. One important aspect of the exercise has been deliberatly left out, it has little effect on sizing or costing but none-the-less is a requirement. Most engineers who understand what is involved in running 2 pieces of rf equipment in parrallel (both in TX and RX functions)at the same time will understand what is left out. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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The Cypherpunks Agenda
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wrote a personal reply to Adam Back, including some stuff about what's apparently happening in the Bay Area community...I may learn more if I make it to the Saturday physical meeting at Stanford, which I hope to make. Some of the other things I mentioned to Adam may deserve a wider audience. Warning: this is not a a carefully-constructed major essay, just some thoughts which have been brewing for a couple of years. I agree fully with Adam's point that many list members, and certainly many of those who reflexivly shout "Cypherpunks write code!" whenever political issues come up, are _missing the point_. What code should be written without some grounding in what one's goals are? I'm not calling for the usual debate about gun control, abortion, religion, discrimination, etc. We sometimes get off, get sidetracked, on these issues, but the debates are rarely useful. Rather, I think we are no longer trying to figure out which building blocks for our "agenda" are needed. Indeed, some here claim that any discussion of goals or agendas is ipso facto "off topic." Well, let me assure you otherwise. I was there at the beginning, at the first meeting (called by Eric Hughes and me), in September 1992. Politics--of a specific sort--dominated that first meeting, and subsequent meetings. Not politics about welfare, or minimum wages, or Democrats vs. Republicans (or Greens vs. SDU or other national parties in whatever countries). No, "politics" about privacy, anonymous communications, digital cash, information markets, etc. We spent the afternoon playing a paper-based game, using envelopes as mixes, using bulletin boards as information markets, using "Monopoly" money as digital cash. Far from being a worthless game, it educated people as to how a crypto-anarchic system might work. Out of this game came the first "anonymous remailers" (of the Cypherpunk flavor, not the Julf flavor). First written by Eric, then improved by Hal Finney, then by many others. Out of this first meeting came wide use of PGP...we distributed PGP 2.0, the first "modern" version of PGP, several days after release. And out of this meeting came "BlackNet," "Magic Money," and several other "politically motivated" demonstrations. Cypherpunks has _always_ been political! Those who think otherwise are missing the boat. Anyway, here's some of what I wrote to Adam: At 6:50 AM -0700 10/8/98, Adam Back wrote: >This is what I meant by my short rant about coderpunks detracting from >the cypherpunk objective: siphons off 'punks from cypherpunks into a >crypto-politically neutral environment. Then it gets increasingly >more crypto-politically neutral subscribers, and anyone reminding or >commenting that the original aim of the game was to distribute strong >crypto to undermine the state, gets told by the local retro moderators >that political stuff isn't welcome. > >Try reading the cyphernomicon (*), if you haven't. Thanks for the plug. I agree fully with your point about the "crypto-politically neutral" stance many are now taking. I see this at the few CP physical meetings I manage to attend these days. Many of the attendees are just cogs inside companies, and have no idea why they're working on some widget, except that "crypto is cool" and it's "their job." I also am fed up with the "Cypherpunks write code" mantra. Yes, code is very, very important. But _what_ code? And for all of the mantra-chanting, actually very few have ever written any memorable code. We are basically "coasting" on some code (PGP, SSLeay, Mixmaster, a few other pieces) that implement only _two_ of the building blocks: straight encryption and mixes. So where is the _rest_ of the code? "Cypherpunks write code" is a mantra to shut up any discussion of which building blocks are important to write. And yet most of the mantra chanters are actually not writing useful or interesting code, just hacking away in their cubicles.... Sad. --Tim May Y2K: A good chance to reformat America's hard drive and empty the trash. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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(Fwd) Request for Assistance
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What the hell is THIS: ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Gordon Jeff INSP <Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov> To: "'m1tca00(a)frb.gov'" <m1tca00(a)ccgate.FRB.GOV> Subject: Request for Assistance Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:12 -0400 Hello, The IRS and United States Attorney's office are looking for assistance in a criminal investigation involving threatening messages which were posted to the Cypherpunks mailing list. This e-mail address was noted to be one of those which receives the Cypherpunks list. I would appreciate it if you would contact me to discuss whether you would be willing to assist us in this matter, and what records or information you have relating to the Cypherpunks list. You can contact me at this e-mail address or at (503) 326-2787. Thanks Jeff >From Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov Thu Oct 8 10:48:40 1998 Return-Path: <Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov> Received: from primary.frb.gov by bksmp2.FRB.GOV (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA29878; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:48:39 -0400 Received: from new-frbgate.frb.gov (root(a)new-frbgate.frb.gov [198.35.166.180]) by primary.frb.gov (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id KAA02189 for <m1tca00(a)frb.gov>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:48:38 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov) Received: (from root@localhost) by new-frbgate.frb.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id KAA03072 for m1tca00(a)frb.gov; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tcs-gateway2.treas.gov (tcs-gateway2.treas.gov [204.151.246.2]) by newfed.frb.gov (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA00110 for <m1tca00(a)frb.gov>; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov) Received: by tcs-gateway2.treas.gov id KAA00684 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for m1tca00(a)frb.gov) Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:23 -0400 Received: by tcs-gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-2); Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:23 -0400 Received: by tcs-gateway2.treas.gov (Internal Mail Agent-1); Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9F00F15E736BD11196B700A0C98448FE0A97B6@WR-SEA-SERVER-2> From: Gordon Jeff INSP <Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov> To: "'m1tca00(a)frb.gov'" <m1tca00(a)ccgate.FRB.GOV> Subject: Request for Assistance Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:42:12 -0400 Return-Receipt-To: Gordon Jeff INSP <Jeff.Gordon(a)inspection.irs.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain content-length: 548 X-folder: +inbox Thanks Jeff -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Thanks. View my site from: http://ross.adnetsol.com/links.html Click on "Internet Auctions"

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Re: Web TV with 128b exported
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wherever the 128-bit encryption is located, it is irrelevent: you send someone email, they receive it in clear-text. ---guy

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[Fwd: Here come the rafting iguanas] Here come the rafting iguanas
by David Miller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Vertical vs. Horizontal Crypto (was: RE: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code))
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Lucky Green writes: >Cyphpunks believe that more strong crypto is better. And this holds true for vertical as well as horizontal applications. Unlike Mr. Stallman, I think that there is a case where closed-source software is appropriate, and that case is vertical applications. Just as I wouldn't propose that TCE release the source code for our devices (RCA TVs, ProScan VCRs, etc.), as the intellectual return on the release would be low (how many people are going to write low-level software for their own TVs?), I think it is also inappropriate for other vertical-market applications (another example: book library maintenance software). However, some of the bad effects of closed-source crypto can be countered by the use of open crypto protocols, like TLS/SSL, OpenPGP, IPSec, and the like. Although this still won't protect against all attempts at getting around the security of the crypto protocol, at least some crypto protocols are pretty immune to these kinds of attacks -- for example, a PC web browser talking to a set-top box using TLS should only be able to be subverted by the set-top box itself, not by a third party through a hole in the protocol. I'm somewhat surprised that no one has brought this (open crypto protocols) up in the discussion before. (Could it be that I had an original idea? Nah...) ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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Cyphernomicon Intranet Mirror (was: RE: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code))
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back writes: >Try reading the cyphernomicon (*), if you haven't. Which we've mirrored on our Intranet (been meaning to mention this...). It would be terrible if it were to disappear due to linkrot, so we have a local copy. Not accessible to the outside, though... Just another datapoint. ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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RE: Request for Assistance
by X 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeff, Good luck in your pursuit. I think, in the future, you might want to offer us the customary 800 number to call you on to rat on our acquaintances. Two things worry me about your approach: 1) how do you know what emails I get and why in the world do you think it's any of your business? 2) is this suspicion by acquaintance? I'm sure you already know this, but I just recently joined the list so I know nothing about anything threatening on this list. The biggest threat I see is from people publicizing that the government is sniffing out email addresses and categorizing them based on what they _receive._ Dangerous pursuit, dangerous precedent. Watch what side you're on. X (although I have to admit, you have a lot of guts to come in here and ask 'free-thinking individuals" to help you gang up on a guy.) ~> -----Original Message----- ~> From: Gordon Jeff INSP [mailto:Jeff.Gordon@inspection.irs.gov] ~> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:42 AM ~> To: 'm1tca00(a)frb.gov' ~> Subject: Request for Assistance ~> ~> ~> Hello, ~> ~> The IRS and United States Attorney's office are looking for assistance ~> in a criminal investigation involving threatening messages which were ~> posted to the Cypherpunks mailing list. This e-mail address was noted ~> to be one of those which receives the Cypherpunks list. I would ~> appreciate it if you would contact me to discuss whether you would be ~> willing to assist us in this matter, and what records or information you ~> have relating to the Cypherpunks list. You can contact me at this ~> e-mail address or at (503) 326-2787. ~> ~> Thanks ~> ~> Jeff ~> ~>

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Crypto AG
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>http://caq.com/cryptogate > >Are people familiar with this document? > >Why shouldn't NSA have implanted this kind of back-doors >in various software and operating systems as well? > >It seems to have worked so very well in the past. Keep on writing CypherPunks CryptoCode that's can be gobbled up 4 your M$ softwares.... Da Fedz are more than happy to GAK it up 4 U before thier morning doughnuts...... Nut$crape did it, Apple NeXT, maybe Cisco, more 2 follow.... TeeHee!

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Anguilla in the news
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/science/sci-lizard-raft.html Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: [Fwd: Here come the rafting iguanas] (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:30:10 -0400 > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: Re: [Fwd: Here come the rafting iguanas] > At 4:51 PM -0400 on 10/8/98, David Miller wrote: > > > Could the term "green iguanas" be symbolic of US currency? > > Naw... But I hereby nominate the green iguana to be the official mascot of > the cypherpunk crypto-refugee community on Anguilla. I'll see if the Austin Cypherpunks want to start holding our meetings at the Green Iquana Grill out on Lake Travis... ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:15:12 -0500 > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > >> Umm... both of those are around because the governemtn made the cost of > >> delivering both alcohol and drugs prohibitively high, > > > >That's inaccurate. The Mafia pre-dated the US by several hundred years if > > So what? There was probably a government wherever the started, and > they probably started out providing services that their local government > prohibited. This begs the question, even when presented with evidence that supports such assertions you dismiss it out of hand. No point in even responding to your posts on this topic any further. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Request for Assistance
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You mean to tell me that the GOV is actually going to try to make a case against someone on *this* mailing list for sending threatening mail? Gimme a break! Have you actually perused any archives of this list? If you did, and filtered out any of the crypto/privacy-relevant posts, you'd be hard pressed to find *anything* that you could take seriously at all, let alone construe to be threatening. Unless of course you take space aliens hiding your drugs to be threatening. And what, you're from the IRS? What, was the IRS threatened? And this would surprise you how? Did they threaten to hide the IRS' drugs? Were they posing as space aliens? And how come you didn't contact me? Does that mean that I'm under investigation? Or do you just not like me? Or were you not sniffing my network connection at the time to make your illegal determination that I'm on the Cypherpunks mailing list? I'd have to agree with Mr. 'X' that you guys have a lot of nerve coming to this list and asking for assistance in what's probably an illegal and illegitimate investigation in the first place, looking to claim another victim in the seemingly never-ending destruction of the rights of the common man by the faceless fascist government regime. Or, to sum up, piss off. At 12:17 PM 10/8/98 -0600, X wrote: >Jeff, > >Good luck in your pursuit. I think, in the future, you might want to offer >us the customary 800 number to call you on to rat on our acquaintances. > >Two things worry me about your approach: > >1) how do you know what emails I get and why in the world do you think it's >any of your business? > >2) is this suspicion by acquaintance? > >I'm sure you already know this, but I just recently joined the list so I >know nothing about anything threatening on this list. The biggest threat I >see is from people publicizing that the government is sniffing out email >addresses and categorizing them based on what they _receive._ > >Dangerous pursuit, dangerous precedent. > >Watch what side you're on. > >X > >(although I have to admit, you have a lot of guts to come in here and ask >'free-thinking individuals" to help you gang up on a guy.) > >~> -----Original Message----- >~> From: Gordon Jeff INSP [mailto:Jeff.Gordon@inspection.irs.gov] >~> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 8:42 AM >~> To: 'm1tca00(a)frb.gov' >~> Subject: Request for Assistance >~> >~> >~> Hello, >~> >~> The IRS and United States Attorney's office are looking for assistance >~> in a criminal investigation involving threatening messages which were >~> posted to the Cypherpunks mailing list. This e-mail address was noted >~> to be one of those which receives the Cypherpunks list. I would >~> appreciate it if you would contact me to discuss whether you would be >~> willing to assist us in this matter, and what records or information you >~> have relating to the Cypherpunks list. You can contact me at this >~> e-mail address or at (503) 326-2787. >~> >~> Thanks >~> >~> Jeff >~> >~>

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:21:32 +0200 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > > HOW MUCH CODE DID 'CYPHERPUNK' TIM MAY EVER WRITE? > How much have YOU written (as if anyone really cares)? ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Something else about 'freedom'...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It doesn't mean the creation of a social or economic state (or lack of one) that promotes the abuse or belittlement of others 'freedoms'. I'd still like to see an explanation of how anarcho-capitalist or free-market promoters expect this to be resolved. My suspicion is that this sort of opportunity is *exactly* what they want. Then *they* get to be the ones using force for coercive ends. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is there an offhand reference to ECHELON in the second paragraph? National Counterintelligence Center Counterintelligence News and Developments Volume 3 September 1998 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.nacic.gov/cind/SEPT98.htm More on French Spying The French magazine Le Point reported in mid-June that France systematically listens in on the telephone conversations and cable traffic of many businesses based in the United States and other nations. The article also reports the French Government uses a network of listening stations to eavesdrop and pass on commercial secrets to French businesses competing in the global economy. The article goes on to state that the French secret service, DGSE, has established listening posts in the Dordogne (Southern France) and also in its overseas territories, including French Guiana and New Caledonia. The article attributes to an unnamed "senior official within this branch of the French secret service" the claim, "This is the game of the secret war," adding that U.S. listening posts do the same. The magazine report says Germans who bought into the French Helios 1A spy satellite system are being given access to political and economic secrets as part of a Franco-German agreement to compete with a commercial information agreement between the United States and Britain. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mexican Hackers Mount Attack According to an August 1998 Reuters report, a small group of computer hackers have declared electronic war on the Mexican state. They have plastered the face of revolutionary hero Emiliano Zapata on the Finance Ministry's Web site and claim to have monitored visits by Mexican Senators to X-rated Internet sites. They also have vowed to attack official databases for incriminating numbers and publicize government bank accounts, cellular phone conversations, and e-mail addresses. So far the cyber pirates, who say they are a trio of Mexicans, appear to be more a nuisance than a serious threat, but they are serving as a wake-up call for computer security in Mexico, experts said. One of the hackers stated during an online interview with Reuters that "We protest with the weapons we have and those weapons are computers." The hackers surfaced in February when visitors to the Finance Ministry's official Web site were surprised to find Zapata staring back at them.

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Re: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 19:58:31 +0000 > From: Michael Hohensee <mah248(a)is9.nyu.edu> > Subject: Re: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd) > > What specificaly is there about the relationship between natural gas and > > gasoline that leads you to believe that the comparison of lethality between > > the waste products of a coal plant vurses a nuclear plant is such that the > > waste of a nuclear plant is more lethal because there is more toxic > > byproduct and it is in higher concentrations? > > Absolutely nothing. That's my point, not yours --or at least not the > point you made in your previous post. It is *exactly* the point I have made from day 1. If you believe otherwise the mistake is yours. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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WSJ on NYC Smart Card Pilot
by David Watts 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Technological Glitches Trip Up New York Debut of Plastic Cash By PAUL BECKETT Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Smart cards invaded New York last year, when four of consumer banking's most sophisticated players began one of the biggest real-world trials of plastic cash. But right from the start, the closely watched effort slipped on an unforeseen banana peel: technology. In a test with far-reaching implications, Chase Manhattan Corp., Citicorp --now part of Citigroup Inc. -- MasterCard International and Visa USA co-sponsored the pilot program, which began last October. They distributed about 96,000 smart cards embedded with computer chips to residents of Manhattan's Upper West Side. Then they watched to see how willing people were to use the cards instead of cash. The answer is, not very, according to merchants and consumers. A big reason was the support network of hardware was so riddled with technical and logistical headaches that it often made using the smart cards a hassle instead of a breeze. Usage has dwindled to a trickle. More than a third of the 600 merchants who signed up for the pilot either have quit or were eliminated from the test by the sponsors. Many of the ones who remain are fed up. Smart cards figure in an antitrust lawsuit the Justice Department filed against Visa and MasterCard Wednesday. The regulators accuse the bank-controlled credit-card networks of holding back on efforts to develop new products, including smart cards. Visa and MasterCard denied the charges and vowed to defend themselves. The smart cards in the Manhattan test work like the long-distance phone cards that vending machines in supermarkets sell. The cards -- either a Visa Cash card issued by Citigroup's Citibank unit, or a MasterCard Mondex card issued by Chase -- are filled with cash from a person's bank account. Users draw on the card's stored cash as they pay for merchandise; store clerks swipe it through a special terminal at the point of purchase. Users can refill the card with cash at a bank or automated teller machine. For the test, there are no annual or transaction fees for customers or merchants. Tough Customers The sponsors chose as their guinea pigs the Manhattanites who live in the swath of real estate between Central Park and the Hudson River, an eclectic stew of millionaires, welfare families, and everyone in between. Many of these tough customers quickly found smart cards were actually pretty dumb. For a start, they weren't accepted in taxis, buses, and subways. There also is a harder-to-explain psychological resistance to the smart cards. "It seems rather un-American to me," says Greg Knight, who lives on the Upper West Side and works at NYCD Compact Disks. The store participates in the smart-card program but doesn't record many transactions. Mr. Knight says he has a smart card but doesn't use it. A busy Duane Reade drugstore on Amsterdam Avenue should have been a good testing ground, because most of what it sells is low-priced. But the smart-card scanners installed at the checkout break down two or three times a month, says store manager Sammy Austin. After calling the program's "help desk," Mr. Austin says, he has waited as long as six days for a repairman, plus two more days for replacement machines. "If they could improve the system, I think plenty of customers would use it," Mr. Austin says. "But in a city like New York, where it's hustle and bustle, everybody wants to be treated one-two-three, and if you can't accommodate your customers, they're just going to forget about it. It turns you off." Sponsors say one reason for the high drop-off rate among merchants is that there was never any screening: The program was open to any merchant who wanted to join. The sponsors themselves later culled out merchants who were recording few smart-card transactions. Few Purchases Zabar's, an always-crowded gourmet food store on Broadway, had its share of technological problems early in the program. When calling the help desk didn't help, the store bowed out of the experiment for several weeks, says Zabar's manager David Tait. The store has since returned, and things have gone more smoothly. Still, it rings up only 25 smart-card purchases a day, Mr. Tait says. Many of the payment terminals that malfunctioned were made by Hewlett-Packard Co.'s VeriFone unit, the biggest of the pilot program's three hardware suppliers. Machines made by the other two -- Hypercom Corp., of Phoenix, and IVI Ingenico Inc., a Canadian-French joint venture -- had early technical problems, too, the sponsors say, but on a smaller scale. VeriFone spokesman Dan Toporek acknowledges the glitches. "There were instances where the machines weren't installed or configured properly," he says. Still, he says Verifone regards the terminals as a success. Nick Massimiano, vice president at Chase Manhattan, says the sponsors moved fast to address the delays in service. A software adjustment fixed many of the problems with the Verifone terminals, he says. Foot patrols of repair technicians check in with merchants to help trouble-shoot. Fairway, a bustling supermarket on Broadway, stopped taking smart cards after just a few weeks. Employees there said it was a hassle to process transactions on the smart-card terminal, which is separate from both the cash register and the credit-card machine. Other merchants complain about having to reconcile their terminals with the smart cards' central computer at the end of the day, so the smart-card purchases will land in their bank accounts. For this task, the sponsors had presented retailers with various options, but some employees never got the hang of the task. So at many of the stores, it became a bothersome after-hours chore for the boss. Mr. Massimiano says adjustments in the modem timing of the terminals has made it easier for stores to settle accounts at the end of the day. But the real issue here is training, not technology, he says. The sponsors issued desktop guides for making the fund transfers. The roaming foot patrols also provide training assistance, he says. 'A Less Positive Experience' "Lots of little things, when you add them up, can create a less than a positive experience," concedes Ron Braco, senior vice president and director of electronic commerce for Chase Manhattan's consumer-banking division. Still, the program has yielded some victories, he says. For the first time in any test program, the Visa and MasterCard smart cards were accepted on the same terminals. Lessons learned suggest the four partners will shy away from broad efforts to blanket an entire neighborhood, focusing instead on specific retail niches in which smart cards are especially useful. "I would say the time for experimentation is probably passed now," says Richard Phillimore, senior vice president of MasterCard's chip-business group. "This really points the direction toward rolling out not necessarily by geography but by merchant sector." One such sector is small-ticket purchases -- launderettes and newsstands, for example. In the latest chapter of the Upper West Side test, smart cards have been introduced in basement laundry rooms in a few of the neighborhood's apartment buildings. So far, the backers say, they have been a roaring success: Smart card users don't need piles of quarters any more. Chase says on average 25% of the laundry revenue at the participating buildings comes from smart cards, and in some locations approaches 40%. "Once the card generates some excitement, people won't care that Duane Reade had a problem at some point in time," says Chase spokesman Kenneth Herz. Adds Judy Darr, director of the smart card program at Citibank, "Our commitment to smart cards remains strong." _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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IP: Borderless World Talks, E-commerce
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Borderless World Talks, E-commerce Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:19:12 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com -------------------- NOTE: You will have to go to the website referenced below to read this article. Half of the page is the article in English, the other half in French. -------------------- BORDERLESS WORLD TALKS The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development is holding a Borderless World ministerial conference in Ottawa this week, in which reps of the 29 member countries discuss various Internet and e-commerce issues, especially regulation, taxation and privacy. See http://www.oecd.org/dsti/sti/it/ec/news/ottawa.htm ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Neural Computer to Rival Brain???
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Neural Computer to Rival Brain??? Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:15:57 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: The Economist http://www.economist.com/editorial/freeforall/current/index_st4636.html SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY Semiconductors - Silicon smarts BRAINS and computers are very different things. Brains consist of a trillion or so tiny elements, called neurons, which are individually dumb but collectively, thanks to the thousand trillion connections between them, very powerful. Most computers, on the other hand, depend on a single, complex component-a microprocessor-to get things done. Even the most advanced supercomputers, with hundreds or even thousands of connected microprocessors, cannot match the compactness or connection density of the human brain. Two new chip-making techniques being developed at Irvine Sensors Corporation (ISC) in Costa Mesa, California, could be significant steps in the long-running effort to make more brain-like computers. Researchers at ISC have found a way to pack silicon chips extremely tightly together and, better still, to make large numbers of connections between them. Their technique layers silicon chips on top of each other, cramming 50 chips into the space normally occupied by just one. This is done by grinding away the underside of the silicon wafer on which the chip circuitry is built-a thick, non-functional platform that can be removed without affecting the chip's operation. The result is a paper-thin but fully functional chip, which can be stacked and bonded with other chips to form a single unit. The chips are wired together via connectors along their edges, and the whole sandwich is embedded in epoxy resin. This space-saving technique is already being used commercially in a four-layer memory chip that packs 128 megabits of data into an amazingly small one-centimetre-square package. Earlier this year, ISC won a $1.3m military contract from Boeing to build a wearable, voice-activated computer the size of a pack of cards. But while such stacking wizardry means computers can be smaller, it does not make them more brain-like. At present, the nearest approximation to a silicon brain involves making electronic circuits that behave like neurons, and connecting them up in small networks. Such "artificial neural networks" can be used for everything from image recognition to credit scoring, but their size and complexity-and so their deductive power-is limited. This is because it is only possible to fit a certain number of silicon neurons on to a single chip; and there is a limit to the number of connections that can be made between adjacent neural chips. Researchers would like to be able to build networks that are larger and more densely connected-in short, more brain-like. ISC's second technology should let them do this, by allowing direct vertical connections to be made anywhere on the adjoining surfaces of adjacent chips in a stack. To achieve this, half of a special component called a three-dimensional field-effect transistor, or 3DFET, is constructed at the site of each connection, as part of the usual chip-making process. When the chips are stacked, the two halves of each 3DFET fit together, allowing signals to pass up and down from one chip to the other. A prototype 3DFET, developed with financing from the US army's ballistic missile defence organisation, has already been made and tested. With new funding, ISC hopes to make a chip-stack connected using 3DFETs within 18 months. After that, says ISC's chief technical officer, John Carson, the long-term goal is to stack 1,000 neural chips in a single cube. This would involve thinning each chip down to less than the thickness of a human hair. Already, ISC has produced a prototype that is almost this thin. If ISC can squeeze a million silicon neurons on to each chip, and pack a thousand chips into a one-inch neural cube, the arithmetic starts to get interesting. A thousand such cubes, which could fit in a shoebox, would contain a trillion neurons, and a hundred trillion connections. That would still not match the connectivity of human grey matter. But it would be the most brain-like computer ever made. ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: House Passes Roving Wiretaps, Expanding Federal Surveillance Powers
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: House Passes Roving Wiretaps, Expanding Federal Surveillance Powers Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:06:44 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Center for Democracy and Technology http://www.cdt.org/legislation/calea/roving.html House Passes Roving Wiretaps, Expanding Federal Surveillance Powers October 7, 1998 In a closed-door manuever, controversial "roving wiretap" provisions have been added to a major Intelligence authorization bill and passed by the House. Current wiretapping law allows tapping of a particular person's phones. The new provisions would dramatically expand current authority by allowing taps on any phone used by, or "proximate" to, the person being tapped +IBQ- no matter whose phone it is. Such a broad law invites abuse. In the last Congress, the full House of Representatives rejected these provisions after an open and vigorous debate. This week, behind closed doors, a conference committee added the provisions to the important Intelligence Authorization Conference Report, almost certain to pass the Congress. The provisions were not in either the original House or Senate versions of the bill. CDT is particularly concerned that such an expansion of federal authority should take place without a public debate. "Roving Wiretaps" Language added to H.R. 3694, the Intelligence Authorization Conference Report. SEC. 604. WIRE AND ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS INTERCEPTION REQUIREMENTS. (a) In General. Section 2518(11)(b) of title 18, United States Code, is amended - (1) in clause (ii), by striking ``of a purpose'' and all that follows through the end of such clause and inserting ``that there is probable cause to believe that the person's actions could have the effect of thwarting interception from a specified facility;''; (2) in clause (iii), by striking ``such purpose'' and all that follows through the end of such clause and inserting ``such showing has been adequately made; and''; and (3) by adding at the end the following clause: ``(iv) the order authorizing or approving the interception is limited to interception only for such time as it is reasonable to presume that the person identified in the application is or was reasonably proximate to the instrument through which such communication will be or was transmitted.''. (b) Conforming Amendments.Section 2518(12) of title 18, United States Code, is amended - (1) by inserting ``(a)'' after ``by reason of subsection (11)''; (2) by striking ``the facilities from which, or''; and (3) by striking the comma following ``where''. Other CALEA Issues The Center For Democracy And Technology 1634 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100 Washington, DC 20006 (v) .202.637.9800 (f) .202.637.0968 info(a)cdt.org ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: ISPI Clips 5.25: TRUSTe Brings Privacy Home
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ama-gi ISPI" <offshore(a)email.msn.com> Subject: IP: ISPI Clips 5.25: TRUSTe Brings Privacy Home Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:30:34 -0700 To: <Undisclosed.Recipients(a)majordomo.pobox.com> ISPI Clips 5.25: TRUSTe Brings Privacy Home News & Info from the Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) Thursday October 8, 1998 ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This From: WIRED News, October 7, 1998 http://www.wired.com TRUSTe Brings Privacy Home http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/15462.html by James Glave, james(a)wired.com 9:05 a.m. 7.Oct.98.PDT The major Web indexing firms have banded together with Web privacy group TRUSTe [ http://www.truste.org/ ] to launch a national advertising campaign aimed at educating consumers about online privacy issues. The campaign, known as Privacy Partnership, will rely on donated banner ads, distributed across the Net. Microsoft, for example, said it will donate 20 million banner impressions, or individual viewings, on its MSN.com service. Microsoft (MSFT) described Privacy Partnership as a "grassroots campaign," but there is nothing small-time about the lineup of Web content and indexing firms involved. Besides Redmond, AOL (AOL), Excite (XCIT), Infoseek (SEEK), Lycos (LCOS), Netscape (NSCP), Snap, and Yahoo (YHOO) are all on board. Lycos is the parent company of Wired Digital, owner of Wired News. The Internet advertisements, explaining the importance of protecting personal data online, will run between 12 and 31 October. All told, the companies will contribute more than 150 million online advertising impressions, worth more than US$3 million, in the form of banners and messages on their Web sites. The campaign is expected to reach about 90 percent of all Internet users in the United States. "Microsoft's commitment to online privacy is related to our ongoing vision of empowering the individual to do more through the PC," said Bob Herbold, Microsoft executive vice president and CEO, in a statement. The publicity push is designed to bring the Internet privacy debate home to middle America. The program will bring consumers into a conversation that has so far been a terse exchange between the Internet industry, which wants to regulate itself, and government, which is threatening to pass consumer-protection laws. "We want to be the first people to ask, 'Why doesn't government work with business and work with consumers?'" said a source with TRUSTe. The Federal Trade Commission has cracked down on the Internet industry for what it claims is a failure to respect personal information relative to consumers. In August, the commission punished GeoCities for allowing personal customer information to fall into untrustworthy hands. The FTC has given the industry until the end of this year to prove that it's serious about protecting consumer privacy. If that doesn't happen, it will recommend congress pass laws to do it for them. A recent survey [ http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/15428.html ] found that more than 40 countries have enacted, or plan to enact, consumer data-protection laws. TRUSTe is leading the charge to stop the United States from doing the same thing. The nonprofit industry group runs a program that awards a TRUSTe seal to Web sites that respect and preserve individual privacy. "The average citizen... [has] no idea they can't participate in self regulation," said the TRUSTe source. "If we don't do these things, then government will fail and self-regulation will fail. "In the privacy arena, what is really critical is that this is all moving really fast. The industry is collecting data faster than anyone can stop them. We want the government to put in the principles so that privacy doesn't become for the information age what the environment was to the industrial age." One Web-privacy advocate agreed, but said that a consumer-education campaign is a distraction that allows the big Internet companies to shirk their responsibilities. "Focusing on 'consumer education' is an attempt to shift responsibility back on the victim, which makes little sense when those people have so little technical and legal power to protect their own interests," said Jason Catlett, president of JunkBusters. "Detroit tried the same PR trick in the '60s, because telling people that they should drive more carefully was cheaper than being required to engineer safer cars and to take responsibility for the numbers of people that were getting killed," Catlett said. "How many more horror stories must we read before consumers will get more than 'You should have chosen better companies' for an answer?" Last week, the accounting firm of Ernst & Young told Wired News that it had signed on as a TRUSTe sponsor, and plans to work closely with the group to establish an e-commerce assurance program. Copyright © 1994-98 Wired Digital Inc. --------------------------------NOTICE:------------------------------ ISPI Clips are news & opinion articles on privacy issues from all points of view; they are clipped from local, national and international newspapers, journals and magazines, etc. Inclusion as an ISPI Clip does not necessarily reflect an endorsement of the content or opinion by ISPI. In compliance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed free without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ISPI Clips is a FREE e-mail service from the "Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues" (ISPI). To receive "ISPI Clips" on a regular bases (up to 3 - 8 clips per day) send the following message "Please enter [Your Name] into the ISPI Clips list: [Your e-mail address]" to: ISPIClips(a)ama-gi.com . The Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) is a small contributor-funded organization based in Victoria, British Columbia (Canada). ISPI operates on a not-for-profit basis, accepts no government funding and takes a global perspective. ISPI's mandate is to conduct & promote interdisciplinary research into electronic, personal and financial privacy with a view toward helping ordinary people understand the degree of privacy they have with respect to government, industry and each other and to likewise inform them about techniques to enhance their privacy. But, none of this can be accomplished without your kind and generous financial support. If you value in the ISPI Clips service or if you are concerned about the erosion of your privacy in general, won't you please help us continue this important work by becoming an "ISPI Clips Supporter" or by taking out an institute Membership? We gratefully accept all contributions: Less than $60 ISPI Clips Supporter $60 - $99 Primary ISPI Membership (1 year) $100 - $300 Senior ISPI Membership (2 years) More than $300 Executive Council Membership (life) Your ISPI "membership" contribution entitles you to receive "The ISPI Privacy Reporter" (our bi-monthly 12 page hard-copy newsletter in multi-contributor format) for the duration of your membership. For a contribution form with postal instructions please send the following message "ISPI Contribution Form" to ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com . We maintain a strict privacy policy. Any information you divulge to ISPI is kept in strict confidence. 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IP: ISPI Clips 5.26: Coalition Announces Intiative for Online Privacy
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ama-gi ISPI" <offshore(a)email.msn.com> Subject: IP: ISPI Clips 5.26: Coalition Announces Intiative for Online Privacy Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:32:02 -0700 To: <Undisclosed.Recipients(a)majordomo.pobox.com> ISPI Clips 5.26: Coalition Announces Initiative for Online Privacy News & Info from the Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) Thursday October 8, 1998 ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This From: The New York Times (Cybertimes), October 7, 1998 http://www.nytimes.com Coalition Announces Initiative for Online Privacy http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/98/10/cyber/articles/07privacy.html By JERI CLAUSING, jeri(a)nytimes.com ASHINGTON -- A coalition of major Internet companies on Wednesday unveiled a sweeping online advertising campaign to teach consumers and Web sites operators how to protect personal privacy on the Internet. The initiative, which is being launched with the equivalent of $4 million in Internet advertising banner commitments, was described as a huge grassroots consumer education program that is expected to reach 9 of every 10 Internet users. Called the Privacy Partnership [ http://www.truste.org/partners/ ], the campaign was started by TrustE [ http://www.truste.org/ ], an independent, nonprofit organization dedicated to building trust in the Internet, and eight major Internet gateways, including America Online, Yahoo!, Excite, Infoseek, Lycos, Microsoft, Netscape and Snap. A number of other companies have since joined, and any Web site operator can download a banner ad that has links to a privacy Web site. "The Internet is medium for communications and commerce, but users' anxiety and uncertainty about sharing personal information are preventing people from taking advantage of the Internet's full potential, " said Susan Scott, executive director of TrustE." The announcement comes at a time when companies are working to prove to federal lawmakers and regulators that they can establish an effective a voluntary framework to control the use of personal information collected online. Many of the companies involved in the new partnership are also members of the Online Privacy Alliance, which has drafted guidelines http://www.privacyalliance.org/ ] and an enforcement plan for companies to follow when collecting personal information from consumers on the Internet. The Clinton Administration, which has taken a hands-off approach to Internet regulation, supports self-regulation of privacy policies. But the Federal Trade Commission, which earlier this year released a survey of that painted a dismal picture of the state of privacy protections online, has recommended that Congress pass a bill to protect children from online marketers, and that protections be extended to all consumers if self-regulation has not made significant progress by January. On Tuesday, groups pushing for strong privacy laws released a study showing that nearly all industrialized countries have either adopted or are in the process of adopting comprehensive privacy laws. The report by the Global Internet Liberty Campaign, an international coalition of civil rights groups [ http://www.gilc.org/ ], found that countries are adopting these laws in many cases to address past governmental abuses, such as in former Eastern Bloc countries; to promote electronic commerce, or to ensure compatibility with international standards developed by the European Union, the Council of Europe, and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. "This report shows that there is substantial international support for privacy protection," said David Banisar, policy director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington, D.C., and one of the authors of the report. His co-author, Simon Davies, director general of Privacy International, said, "The United States risks isolating itself from worldwide electronic commerce with its opposition to adequate and enforceable privacy rights." On Oct. 25, an European Union directive takes effect that is expected to toughen national laws of 15 European governments whose privacy standards are already more stringent than those of the United. The European laws require that corporations get people's permission before collecting demographic or marketing information about them. Without strong national standards in the United States, Banisar said many companies may find themselves unable to engage in electronic commerce in Europe. Clinton Administration officials, however, have for months been working with the European Union trying to convince European officials that the standards voluntarily being enacted by American companies are sufficient. And President Clinton's top Internet adviser, Ira C. Magaziner, insists current efforts by industry will be acceptable. "Things are moving along well now with self-regulation," Magaziner said Tuesday. "We still need to see fully implemented results, but I think those who advocate legislation assume that just as soon as you pass a law everything is fine. Laws still have to be implemented and enforced. And we question the effectiveness of enforcement of some of those laws. If self-regulation works as we are hoping and expect, it will still be the most effective way." The Privacy Partnership advertising blitz begins Oct. 12 and will run through Oct. 31. The campaign will use banner ads with links to a welcome message from the Privacy Partnership. That message has two links. One takes people to a TrustE site with information about how consumers can protect their privacy online. The other will allow Web site operators to join the Privacy Partnership by downloading the campaign's banner ads. It will also provide Web site operators with more information on privacy principles and tools to generate a privacy statement. "For trust to be engendered on the Internet, companies must clearly state what personal information they are collecting, how the information will be used, and the choices available to the individual regarding the collection, use and distribution of that information," Scott said. "If we can alleviate consumer anxiety about what happens to their data. Then everybody will do well." Copyright 1998 The New York Times Company --------------------------------NOTICE:------------------------------ ISPI Clips are news & opinion articles on privacy issues from all points of view; they are clipped from local, national and international newspapers, journals and magazines, etc. Inclusion as an ISPI Clip does not necessarily reflect an endorsement of the content or opinion by ISPI. In compliance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed free without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ISPI Clips is a FREE e-mail service from the "Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues" (ISPI). To receive "ISPI Clips" on a regular bases (up to 3 - 8 clips per day) send the following message "Please enter [Your Name] into the ISPI Clips list: [Your e-mail address]" to: ISPIClips(a)ama-gi.com . The Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) is a small contributor-funded organization based in Victoria, British Columbia (Canada). ISPI operates on a not-for-profit basis, accepts no government funding and takes a global perspective. ISPI's mandate is to conduct & promote interdisciplinary research into electronic, personal and financial privacy with a view toward helping ordinary people understand the degree of privacy they have with respect to government, industry and each other and to likewise inform them about techniques to enhance their privacy. But, none of this can be accomplished without your kind and generous financial support. If you value in the ISPI Clips service or if you are concerned about the erosion of your privacy in general, won't you please help us continue this important work by becoming an "ISPI Clips Supporter" or by taking out an institute Membership? We gratefully accept all contributions: Less than $60 ISPI Clips Supporter $60 - $99 Primary ISPI Membership (1 year) $100 - $300 Senior ISPI Membership (2 years) More than $300 Executive Council Membership (life) Your ISPI "membership" contribution entitles you to receive "The ISPI Privacy Reporter" (our bi-monthly 12 page hard-copy newsletter in multi-contributor format) for the duration of your membership. For a contribution form with postal instructions please send the following message "ISPI Contribution Form" to ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com . We maintain a strict privacy policy. Any information you divulge to ISPI is kept in strict confidence. It will not be sold, lent or given away to any third party. ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: ISPI Clips 5.24: Privacy Campaign Plods Ahead
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ama-gi ISPI" <offshore(a)email.msn.com> Subject: IP: ISPI Clips 5.24: Privacy Campaign Plods Ahead Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:29:48 -0700 To: <Undisclosed.Recipients(a)majordomo.pobox.com> ISPI Clips 5.24: Privacy Campaign Plods Ahead News & Info from the Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) Thursday October 8, 1998 ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This From: WIRED News, Wednesday October 7, 1998 http://www.wired.com Privacy Campaign Plods Ahead http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/15467.html By Niall McKay, niall(a)wired.com In the wake of a costly ad campaign designed to raise consumer awareness about the cryptography debate in Washington, a coalition of Internet industry companies, privacy activists, and elected officials will turn to letter writing. The Americans for Computer Privacy [ http://www.computerprivacy.org/ ] said Wednesday that the group will send a barrage of missives to the government. One letter will target every member of Congress and stress the need to build on recent government policy relaxing encryption restrictions with "solid legislation." The group will also call on Vice President Al Gore "to make sure that the good fight to protect American privacy is regulated." Americans for Computer Privacy has been waging a public campaign to educate consumers about the complex crypto issue, in an effort to get grassroots support behind their drive to liberalize the federal government's encryption policy. In July, the group launched a TV and Internet advertising campaign designed to educate consumers about the need for privacy. The campaign was created by the public-policy advertising firm Goddard-Claussen, best known for its "Harry & Louise" commercials. That high-profile series featured a yuppie couple and aimed to undercut the Clinton administration's health-care reform initiative. The current campaign by the Americans for Computer Privacy is reportedly being closely watched by the FBI and other intelligence agencies. At this point, it is unclear to what degree the campaign has altered the course of legislation. In its latest lobbying effort, the group will urge both the White House and Congress to reconsider legislation that would ease export restrictions on strong encryption and ban the imposition of mandatory key-recovery features in software sold in the United States. The legislation in question includes such bills as the "E-Privacy Act" (S. 2067), the "Security and Freedom Through Encryption Act" (SAFE, HR 695), and "The Secure Public Networks Act" (S. 909). The letters are backed by an unusual alliance of Republican and Democrats including members of congress Bob Goodlatte, (R-Virginia), Rick White (R-Washington), Zoe Lofgren (D-California) and Samuel Gejdenson (D-Connecticut), as well as Senators John Ashcroft (R-Missouri), Conrad Burns (R-Montana), and Ron Wyden (D-Oregon). Copyright © 1994-98 Wired Digital Inc. --------------------------------NOTICE:------------------------------ ISPI Clips are news & opinion articles on privacy issues from all points of view; they are clipped from local, national and international newspapers, journals and magazines, etc. Inclusion as an ISPI Clip does not necessarily reflect an endorsement of the content or opinion by ISPI. 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IP: Cashless CompuBank Launches Today Nationwide
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Cashless CompuBank Launches Today Nationwide Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 09:13:01 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com VIRTUAL BANK CompuBank, the first virtual US bank to receive a charter from the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and approval from the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, launches today in all US states. It has no physical branches. As well as the usual bank services, features include real-time access to accounts 24 hours a day, viewable transaction history for the last year, and online wire transfers. See http://www.compubank.com ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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Cracked: WINDOWS.PWL
by John Lemons 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I seen the interesting article on this and was wondering if you had the rest of the glide.c code because is was cut off at the end. Thanks, John...

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17 Dec '03

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CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 11, 1998
by CTIA Daily News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM. Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. If you cannot open the icon/attachment, please visit http://www.wow-com.com/professional/ for the wireless daily news. Don't miss the major conference on implementing Phase 2 of the E-911 requirement--August 26-27 in San Francisco. For more information, click http://www.wow-com.com/pdf/locntech.pdf ===========================================

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