December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

*QX-Tools. What Are you waiting for? 6 Stars?
by listmaster＠extensis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: CJ Update Corrected
by Douglas L. Peterson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > > This is attorney protected information. > > Received today by e-mail: > > November 16, 1998 > Springfield, Missouri > > To: friends of Carl Johnson, The Last Canadian > Outlaw (name of his last album) > > From: Alia Johnson > > I saw CJ today at the Springfield facility for the > criminally disturbing. We spent five hours, a lot of > laughing, a little crying, and talking, with lots of > cameras and mikes on us. The controllers would not > let me take notes! [large snip] > CJ has been without glasses and without his teeth for > the whole time since he was arrested. JEFF GORDON > STILL HAS CJ'S TEETH. However, his vision has > improved! He is also without proper medication for > his Tourette's. The shrink told him that the > amphetamines he had been prescribed and which were > working well would probably be stolen by the staff > anyway. CJ is very conscious of managing his > neurological condition, with coffee, sugar, fasting, > and self-control. He does complain that he was so > pleased with himself that he got through his last > rage attack without hurting himself or acting it out > that he punched a wall in celebration and hurt his > hand! Someone should talk to Larry Dowling (the lawyer looking out for CJ's rights) about this. This seems to be a violation of the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act). -Doug www.TheServerFarm.net

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by holist 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I only subscribed to this list a few weeks ago. I break my silence in defense of Bernardo B. Terrado, who was viciously attacked by Adam Hupp and then rather more graciously advised by Jim Gillogly. Having read a significant amount of material on the ideological (rather than the technical) background of cypherpunks (Tim May's writings, mainly) it seems to me rather obvious that a relative newcomer to these circles would come to expect to find people who may not be "mannered intellectuals", but who are certainly not erstwhile defenders of intellectual property, particularly asthe concept is applied to software today. I understand that there may be other reasons why it is unwise to post requests for warez on these lists, but moral outrage at the thought of software piracy was not one I expected to read here. Especially as I hear nobody complaining about the advertisement for pornography that I receive every two days, regular as clockwork, from the cypherpunks list, not to mention the great deal of other entirely useless, automatically generated advertising. Unlike most of you lucky people in the States, I pay through the nose for on-line time. Perhaps priorities could do with rethinking. holist

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 03:15:07 -0800 (PST) > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > From: holist <holist(a)mail.matav.hu> You should consider subscribing through one of the normal CDR nodes, the toad.com site is unreliable. > come to expect to find people who may not be "mannered intellectuals", but > who are certainly not erstwhile defenders of intellectual property, > particularly asthe concept is applied to software today. Now just exactly what makes you believe that I want other people deciding what happens to the results of my labor? I support Open Source software, however not to the extent I want somebody else to decide without my input whether any given piece happens to Open Source. > requests for warez on these lists, but moral outrage at the thought of > software piracy was not one I expected to read here. Then perhaps you need to work on your morality. > Especially as I hear nobody complaining about the advertisement for > pornography So what? How exactly does pornography map to stolen software? > Unlike most of you lucky people in the States, I pay through the nose for > on-line time. Sounds like a personal problem to me. > Perhaps priorities could do with rethinking. I agree, you need to do some rethinking. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Goldbach & two or more primes...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I'm aware of the Goldbach Reduction by Fermat. The problem is once this theorem is placed in the geometric domain the fact that n-prime factors can be reduced to 2 prime factors is critical and a hinderance. It simply isn't possible to tile a even aread triangle with two smaller congruent triangles whose area is prime. As a result Goldbach's older form is more applicable. If it can be shown that such a tiling is always possible then by extension of Fermat's conjecture the two prime supposition is proved. Reductionism can be a friend or an enemy, swords cut both ways. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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manners
by Richard.Bragg＠ssa.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are ways and means. If someone requests software that is NOT free then a simple NO will surfice. A list of contacts to purchase would aid income for the producer. An additional approach would be to suggest alternatives that are free. There is never any call to be rude.

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Piracy and cypherpunks
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

holist writes: > Having read a significant amount of material on the ideological (rather than > the technical) background of cypherpunks (Tim May's writings, mainly) it > seems to me rather obvious that a relative newcomer to these circles would > come to expect to find people who may not be "mannered intellectuals", but > who are certainly not erstwhile defenders of intellectual property, > particularly asthe concept is applied to software today. Hurm. Does Tim May advocate passing around unlicensed copies of an $895 Statgraphics program? I think I must have missed that post. In any case, cypherpunks are not a monolithic bunch. While many (like me) are wild-eyed libertarians of one flavor or another, others are feds, corporate shills, government apologists, prepubescent hackers, and (d'oh) working professionals in the computing industry. I, for example, do believe that the concept of intellectual property makes sense in some cases -- e.g. the inventions of public-key encryption and the RSA algorithm, which were important breakthroughs that merit substantial rewards, and I recognize that this is probably not a majority cypherpunk opinion. I do <not> appreciate patents on all the ticky-tack trivial modifications of every silly algorithm that nobody else thought was worth patenting. However, pirating commercial software is not a good way to make your protest. If you don't want to pay for it, write your own version and make it freely available. > Especially as I hear nobody complaining about the advertisement for > pornography that I receive every two days, regular as clockwork, from the > cypherpunks list, not to mention the great deal of other entirely useless, > automatically generated advertising. The difference is that the porn spammers don't read the lists they spam, so complaining on the list does no good. The piracy request came from a fairly regular poster to this list. Big difference. One kind of complaint might lead to a behavioral change, and the other leads only to more noise. If I <must> be mannered and intellectual when addressing wannabe software pirates, I'll quote Catullus: Pedicabo et irrumabo, Mentula! -- Jim Gillogly 29 Blotmath S.R. 1998, 15:12 12.19.5.12.12, 4 Eb 5 Ceh, Ninth Lord of Night

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manners (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Richard.Bragg(a)ssa.co.uk > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:14:44 +0000 > Subject: manners > There are ways and means. If someone requests software that is NOT free > then a simple NO will surfice. A list of contacts to purchase would aid > income for the producer. > An additional approach would be to suggest alternatives that are free. > > There is never any call to be rude. Agreed, just be sure you can recognize the difference between rude and simply uncomfortable directness. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - a question about prime sums of odd (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:01:31 -0500 > From: Ray Arachelian <sunder(a)brainlink.com> > Subject: Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - a question about prime sums of odd > numbers... > Bullshit: 7+5+(-1)=11. Last I heard, negative numbers weren't excluded from > being primes. 7 is different from 5, -1 is different from 7 and from 5. Shit! I wasn't even thinking of negatives.... Thanks. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - a question about prime sums of odd numbers... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - a question about prime sums of odd numbers... > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:26:56 -0600 (CST) > From: ichudov(a)Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) > > All even numbers greater than two can be represented as the sum of primes. > > Do you mean a sum of DIFFERENT primes? None of the references that I've looked at state it clearly but I assume that it must be or else we could just use 1 for everything. > > Is there any work on whether odd numbers can always be represented as the > > sum of primes? > > Well, take 11, for example, it cannot be repsesented as a sum of different > primes. It cannot, pure and simple. Sure it can, 1 + 3 + 7. It can't be the PRODUCT of two lower primes since it wouldn't be prime then. This sum by the way CAN'T be reduced to two primes so Fermat's Conjecture applied to odds is clearly false. The only proviso is the number we want to sum TO must be greater than 2. ALL numbers can be represented as sums of primes, the question is whether you allow repeats or not. > > This of course implies that the number of prime members > > must be odd and must exclude 1 (unless you can have more than a single > > instance of a given prime). Has this been examined? > > Why, let's say 5 = 3+2, it is a sum of an even number of primes. In the number theory realm, I agree. In the geometric real (in particular using equilateral triangles) those constraints hold. Note that the smallest number of sums for your example above is odd. The reason that you must exclude the problem becomes trivial if you aren't required to sum the 1's. > I suggest that first "examination" should always include playing > with trivial examples. No kidding? > If multiple instances are allowed, it is an enormously boring conjecture > for 5 grade school students. > > any number above 1 may be represented as a sum of some 3s and some > 2s. Big deal. Actualy they are simply sums of 1's, its actualy first grade math. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - a question about prime sums of odd numbers
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ray Arachelian wrote: > "Igor Chudov @ home" wrote: > > Well, take 11, for example, it cannot be repsesented as a sum of different > > primes. It cannot, pure and simple. > Bullshit: 7+5+(-1)=11. Last I heard, negative numbers weren't excluded from > being primes. 7 is different from 5, -1 is different from 7 and from 5. If this is boiling down to a definition of primes, I'll haul out my Hardy & Wright, page 2: A number p is said to be prime if (i) p > 1, (ii) p has no positive divisors except 1 and p. ... It is important to observe that 1 is not reckoned as a prime. My number theory class at college (admittedly that was three decades ago) also started the prime series at 2 and went up from there. The term "odd primes" always meant 3 and above, not 1 and above. YMMV. -- Jim Gillogly 29 Blotmath S.R. 1998, 16:29 12.19.5.12.12, 4 Eb 5 Ceh, Ninth Lord of Night

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Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - a question about prime sums of odd numbers (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:18:26 -0500 > From: Ray Arachelian <sunder(a)brainlink.com> > Subject: Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - a question about prime sums of odd numbers > So I guess I have to take back 7+5+(-1) and go with Jim's 1+3+7, but fuck, > that won't work either since 1 isn't a prime... So I guess Igor is right on > this one. Sorry Jim... A prime is defined as *ANY* number (note the definition doesn't mention sign or magnitude nor does it exclude any numbers a priori) that has no multiplicative factors other than itself and 1. 1 * 1 = 1 so it is clearly prime. Now, if a particular branch of number theory wants to extend it and make it only numbers >=2 that is fine, I'm not working in that branch anyway. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - a question about prime sums of odd (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - a question about prime sums of odd > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:53:50 -0600 (CST) > From: ichudov(a)Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) > I have no idea where you heard it, but primes are numbers greater than 1, > by definition. Actualy a prime is any number which has no multiplicitave factors other than itself and 1. Does that mean negatives can't be prime numbers? So, -3 breaks down to: -3 * 1 = -3; 3 * -1 would be another set of factors so negatives can't be primes in the strictest sense. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Goldbach's Conjecture (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 18:27:39 +0100 > From: Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen(a)stud.uni-muenchen.de> > Subject: Re: Goldbach's Conjecture (fwd) > Jim Choate wrote: > > > What started this whole enquiry for me was the realization that the > > multiplication identity axiom is related to the definition of a prime. Then > > add on top of that the reason we exclude 1 is so we don't have to write > > '...except for the prime 1' on the end of lots of number theory (re Richard > > Feynman's comment during the Challenger Investigation). It was the > > realization that if we go ahead and include 1 so the axioms are in line with > > each other (and use our cut&paste feature for the '...1...') then perhaps it > > would provide a more consistent base and just maybe some of the extant > > problems in number theory might become solvable in other ways. My original > If you 'define' 1 to be 'prime', you are 'defining' Goldbach's > conjecture 'away'! Duh. I'll give you a hint, more than that single problem goes away. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Goldbach Conjecture
by Phillips, Sidney R 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For a reference on the Goldbach Conjecture see: http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~eww6n/math/GoldbachConjecture.html

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[XCERT-ANNOUNCE] Network Associates Relationship (fwd)
by Jim Burnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thought this might be of some interest considering the current NAI thread. jim ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 13:13:27 -0800 From: Tim Gage <timg(a)xcert.com> To: xcert-announce(a)xcert.com Subject: [XCERT-ANNOUNCE] Network Associates Relationship TO: Xcert Friends and Partners FROM: Thomas Nolan, president and CEO DATE: November 18, 1998 RE: Network Associates Relationship _______________________________________ I'm pleased to report that Xcert International and Network Associates Inc. (NAI) recently announced a technology licensing agreement where NAI will integrate Xcert's software as the default PKI in their Net Tools Secure product suite. This relationship will PKI enable NAI's security offerings-including a suite of best-in-class security applications that encompasses firewall, intrusion protection, vulnerability scanning, encryption, authentication, anti-virus and security management. NAI is a company with approximately $1 Billion in revenue, 5,000 enterprise customers, presence on 60 million desktops and 80% plus penetration into the Global 2000. This is a significant win for Xcert and provides for joint marketing and sales activities, including licensing of certain NAI applications to Xcert, pre-notification of NAI product and technology direction and, most important, the ability for Xcert to work with NAI to sell general purpose PKI into their installed customer base.. Xcert was selected over its competitors because of its superior technology, principally the ability to interoperate with other vendors. NAI's market-leading Total Network Security solution will seed Xcert's technology into the market and will also provide NAI's customers with "hooks" to seamlessly build Xcert's general purpose PKI infrastructure and products into their networks. This is a significant win for Xcert. The NAI adoption of Xcert as their preferred PKI provider adds value to Xcert's brand recognition. This news is yet another compelling endorsement of Xcert's products. In addition, the ability to work with NAI's customer base provides substantial opportunity to Xcert. I am sure you will share my enthusiasm for this momentous milestone on Xcert's road to major market share. ------------------------------------------------------------- For Immediate Release: NETWORK ASSOCIATES TO SHIP COMPREHENSIVE PKI FROM XCERT INTERNATIONAL WITH ALL SECURITY PRODUCT SUITES Network Associates Customers to Receive Scalable Open-Standards Certificate Management Integrated Into Net Tools Secure Product Line SANTA CLARA, Calif., November 17 - Network Associates, Inc. (Nasdaq: NETA) unveiled the next step in its integrated security strategy today by announcing a technology partnership with Xcert International that will bring full open-standards PKI (public key infrastructure) functionality to all Network Associates customers as a standard feature of its integrated security product suites. Beginning in the first quarter of 1999, all integrated security suites from Network Associates will include the new Net Tools PKI server, an enterprise-scaleable PKI server based on Xcert's award-winning digital certificate management technology. "Network Associates has been very aggressive in driving much needed open standards and interoperability in the security space," said Sanjay Kalra, president of Icons, Inc., a leading nationwide PKI consulting firm. "By working with Xcert to include a complete standards-based PKI in all of their security application suites at no extra charge, Network Associates is making things like universal client VPNs and active response firewalls a reality for customers of all sizes. This announcement is the perfect follow-up to their previous PKI partnerships with VeriSign and Entrust." As a result of this partnership, Network Associates customers will be able to broadly deploy integrated security solutions that interoperate through secure and authenticated channels. With this announcement, Network Associates becomes the first vendor to enable secure, scaleable integration between individual security applications by providing flexible PKI functionality out of the box and universally supporting existing PKI solutions like those from partners like VeriSign (Nasdaq: VRSN), Entrust Technologies (Nasdaq: ENTU) and Xcert. Network Associates customers will be licensed to use the new Net Tools PKI with any Network Associates application. Under the terms of the agreement, Network Associates will integrate Xcert's award-winning PKI technology into its Net Tools Secure product line, a suite of best-in-class security applications spanning firewall, intrusion protection, vulnerability scanning, encryption, authentication, anti-virus, and security management. Xcert's flexible open architecture has received multiple industry accolades this year, including a recent Editor's Choice selection from Network Computing that praised Xcert's technology as the "best strategic choice for PKI in the enterprise." Xcert's technology was selected by Network Associates because of its broad support of all industry PKI standards, including x.509, PGP, LDAP, and PKCS #7, 10, and 11. "Network Associates is committed to promoting broad interoperability and open standards in the security industry," said Peter Watkins, general manager of the Net Tools Secure division at Network Associates. "This agreement makes it even easier for our customers to deploy scaleable, standards-based, security applications that work together in concert to actively respond to changing security threats." "This technology license agreement expands Network Associates' best-of-breed security offerings to include the industrial-strength PKI necessary for conducting business-to-business electronic commerce and communications," said Thomas Nolan, President and CEO of Xcert International. "Network Associates customers will be able to broadly deploy distributed security applications, regardless of whether or not they have a general PKI solution. Because Xcert's technology supports all certificate standards, Network Associates customers will also be able to interact seamlessly with business partners who have disparate PKI solutions in use." While other security application vendors have recently discussed plans to integrate their products, none have addressed universal PKI support, an essential element to making integrated security a secure and scaleable reality for enterprise customers. As a result of this agreement, Network Associates customers will be able to broadly deploy distributed security applications such as remote VPN and client-side encryption across large user populations. The new Net Tools PKI will also support more robust certificate management for authenticated communications between integrated Network Associates security applications. Through a concept known as "Active Security", Network Associates is enabling its security products to operate in concert, actively communicating events between applications and adapting security policies of these applications for real-time active response when critical security threats are detected. With headquarters in Santa Clara, California, Network Associates, Inc. is a leading supplier of enterprise network security and management software. Network Associates' Net Tools Secure and Net Tools Manager offer best-of-breed, suite-based network security and management solutions. Net Tools Secure and Net Tools Manager suites combine to create Net Tools, which centralizes these point solutions within an easy-to-use integrated systems management environment. For more information, Network Associates can be reached at (408) 988-3832 or on the Internet at http://www.nai.com. Based in Walnut Creek, California, Xcert International Inc. is the premier developer of Public Key Infrastructure technology. Xcert's products provide privacy and authenticity for conducting secure Internet business transactions. Xcert develops, manufactures and distributes Certificate Authority and public key infrastructure solutions that use secure directory services to provide organizations and individuals with a ubiquitous and secure method of communicating with each other over the Internet. Xcert also licenses its underlying PKI technology to selected service providers and third party developers worldwide. Xcert can be reached on the World Wide Web at http://www.xcert.com. FOR MORE INFORMATION: Ruby Qurashi, Tim Gage Xcert International Inc. 925-274-9300 Ext .108 rubyq(a)xcert.com / timg(a)xcert.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- XCERT-ANNOUNCE: Xcert Software Announcements Mailing List to remove yourself from this mailing list, please send mail containing "unsubscribe xcert-announce" in the body to majordomo(a)xcert.com

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learn computer forensics with the boys from the US Treasury
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

COURSE TITLE: Computer Encryption/Decryption LENGTH OF PRESENTATION: Lecture Laboratory Practical Exercise Total 2:00 2:00 2:00 6:00 DESCRIPTION: Advancing computer technology, coupled with a growing user awareness of privacy and security issues, has resulted in the widespread use of program, electronic mail, and data file encryption techniques. Today seemingly all sophisticated applications have their own optional encryption schemes including WordPerfect, Word, Lotus, Excel, and a host of others. The computer investigator can expect to encounter encrypted (unreadable) files when examining seized computer evidence. This course demonstrates software tools which will enable the student to decreypt many different files, and examines features of the most commonly used encryption/decryption tool used today: PGP. http://www.ustreas.gov/fletc/ffi/scers.htm

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Math Forum - Ask Dr. Math
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://forum.swarthmore.edu/dr.math/problems/1isprime.html -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- The end of our exploring will be to arrive at where we started, and to know the place for the first time. T.S. Eliot Tivoli Systems James F. Choate 9442 Capital of Texas Hwy. N. 512-436-1062 Austin, Tx. 78759 jchoate(a)tivoli.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- Title: Math Forum - Ask Dr. Math <IMG SRC="http://forum.swarthmore.edu/dr.math/dr.mathQA.gif" ALT="Ask Dr. Math - Questions and Answers from our Archives"> Back to About Numbers || All Levels || Search Dr. Math Why is 1 Not Considered Prime? Date: 20 Mar 1995 12:22:37 -0500 From: ioostind(a)cln.etc.bc.ca (Ian Oostindie) Subject: Why 1 is prime My friend, Roger Gillies told me he received some useful math information from you and gave me your e-mail address. I thought of you when a grade six student stumped me with a classic. Well, at least a classic in my mind. Just recently a grade six student asked me "Why is 1 not considered prime?" I tried to answer but as usual could not since I do not understand this either. I thought it may lie in the fact that "we" don't use the true definition or we are interpreting it wrong. A prime is normally described as a number that can be expressed by only one and itself. We exclude all non-natural numbers from the set that we will be working on and then everything is fine except for when we work with 1. 1 = 1 x 1. That is, one equals 1 times itself and there is no other combination. Now to the grade six student in Faro Yukon, I said there may be a small print clause in the contract with the math gods that says you can only write it once since 1 also equals 1x1x1x1x... This would not work for other primes such as two: 2 does not equal 1x2x2x2x... Likewise, 3 does not equal 1x3x3x3x... Patterns are very important to mathematics, I further explained, and this is a pattern I see being broken. I showed this in a slightly different way to the grade sixer but in essence the same. My question to you, Dr. Math, is what is the small print in the contract with the Math gods and how do we explain it to the grade six kids that are supposed to know it? Thank you very much for any consideration you make. Date: 25 Mar 1995 16:21:45 -0500 From: Dr. Ken Subject: Re: Why 1 is prime Hello there! Yes, you're definitely on the right track. In fact, it's precisely because of "patterns that mathematicians don't like to break" that 1 is not defined as a prime. Perhaps you have seen the theorem (even if you haven't, I'm sure you know it intuitively) that any positive integer has a unique factorization into primes. For instance, 4896 = 2^5 * 3^2 * 17, and this is the only possible way to factor 4896. But what if we allow 1 in our list of prime factors? Well, then we'd also get 1 * 2^5 * 3^2 * 17, and 1^75 * 2^5 * 3^2 * 17, and so on. So really, the flavor of the theorem is true only if you don't allow 1 in there. So why didn't we just say something like "a prime factorization is a factorization in which there are no factors of 1" or something? Well, it turns out that if you look at some more number theory and you accept 1 as a prime number, you'd have all kinds of theorems that say things like "This is true for all prime numbers except 1" and stuff like that. So rather than always having to exclude 1 every time we use prime numbers, we just say that 1 isn't prime, end of story. Incidentally, if you want to call 1 something, here's what it is: it's called a "unit" in the integers (as is -1). What that means is that if we completely restrict ourselves to the integers, we use the word "unit" for the numbers that have reciprocals (numbers that you can multiply by to get 1). For instance, 2 isn't a unit, because you can't multiply it by anything else (remember, 1/2 isn't in our universe right now) and get 1. This is how we think about things in Abstract Algebra, something sixth graders won't need to worry about for a long time, but I thought I'd mention it. -Ken "Dr." Math Submit your own question to Dr. Math <IMG SRC="http://forum.swarthmore.edu/forum.blueline.gif" ALT="_____________________________________"> Math Forum Home || The Collection || Quick Reference || Math Forum Search <IMG SRC="http://forum.swarthmore.edu/forum.blueline.gif" ALT="_____________________________________"> Ask Dr. Math © 1994-1998 The Math Forum This page was created by the Forum SmartPage suite of web tools. Sun Nov 15 23:38:44 1998

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Math Forum - Ask Dr. Math (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:50:34 -0600 > Subject: Math Forum - Ask Dr. Math > http://forum.swarthmore.edu/dr.math/problems/1isprime.html > <META NAME="title" CONTENT="Why is 1 Not Considered Prime?"> > math gods that says you can only write it once since 1 also > equals 1x1x1x1x... This would not work for other primes > such as two: 2 does not equal 1x2x2x2x... Likewise, 3 does > not equal 1x3x3x3x... Whether the 1 is there or not is irrelevant, 3x3x3x3... is not 3 in the first place. 3x1x1x1x1.... IS 3. > Patterns are very important to mathematics, I further > explained, and this is a pattern I see being broken. > Date: 25 Mar 1995 16:21:45 -0500 > From: Dr. Ken > Subject: Re: Why 1 is prime > Yes, you're definitely on the right track. In fact, it's precisely > because of "patterns that mathematicians don't like to break" > that 1 is not defined as a prime. Perhaps you have seen the > theorem (even if you haven't, I'm sure you know it intuitively) > that any positive integer has a unique factorization into primes. > For instance, 4896 = 2^5 * 3^2 * 17, and this is the only possible > way to factor 4896. But what if we allow 1 in our list of prime > factors? Well, then we'd also get 1 * 2^5 * 3^2 * 17, and > 1^75 * 2^5 * 3^2 * 17, and so on. So really, the flavor of the > theorem is true only if you don't allow 1 in there. This definition of a prime has one serious drawback. It ignores the fundamental identity theorem of arithmatic: 1 * n = n So, as a result we're in the interesting and potentialy untenable situation of defining a identity theorem, base our math on it, and then come along one day and say it doesn't apply anymore WITHOUT making any other changes to the structure of the theories.... This is VERY BAD science/math. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Anyone know where to get EURISKO?
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Anyone got a clue on where to get a copy of EURISKO (language isn't important since I want to convert it to Perl)? I'm playing with some number theory stuff and since EURISKO was pretty good at I'd be interested in seein the specifics of Lenet's approach. All I've been able to find so far are very general descriptions in the various AI sites. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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simple socket forwarder
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone have a simple packet forwarder to run on a unix system? I want to set up a daemon on an account to just redirect traffic from a particular port to another host for some basic anonymity, but I don't have experience doing socket coding, nor a book.

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Search and Seizure abuse...
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:22:14 -0800, Steve Schear wrote: NOTE: I AM NOT ON CYPHERPUNKS. PLEASE Cc ME DIRECTLY. >>We're out of luck here! Owning explosive is verboten! >>And real soon, passing gaz with a high content of methane will be an >>indictable offence! :-) > >Certainly you're not constraining a response to an illegal use of force to >legal means ;-) Well, maybe, maybe not. It depends. No use of becoming a martyr if nobody cares... Blowing a SWAT team would be just the right thing to get forever in the klink, while blowing up the story over the net might blow-up the klinks themselves... It is all a question of return on investment, and what price you can afford. Happily enough, we now have strong encryption and the net. There is much less need to spill blood in order to disseminate information. >>Everything you own is a privilege given to you by the Ruler. Didn't you >>know that komrade? > >Rights are what you insist you have and can make stick through any means at >your disposal. If the use of force was optimal, historically, we'd have been living in paradize since the first fight of all time happened. Only, it doesn't work that way... > Our colonial revolutionaries certainly didn't limit the >scope of their rights by what King George allowed. I wholeheartedly agree, but neither did they live in the same context. Beside, it was the only way they could act. Nowadays, we have the phone and the net. But I agree that without threath of physical action, no govt (itself based ultimately on physical threath) will ever stop doing just as it pleases him. Only, you don't have to come up with big house blow-up things. Only the menace of physical resistance and of the dissemination of information suffice. The govt is fed by the voluntary actions of the citizenry. The day large groups decide to stop paying taxes, the govt will simply starve and grind to a halt. Ciao jfa Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada DePompadour, Société d'Importation Ltée Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers Instrumentation & control, LabView programming PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:0xC58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:0x5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C PGP ID:0x6CBA71F7:485888E9FD68415A2945 ACCB366D38486CBA71F7

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Re: Math Forum - Ask Dr. Math (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Math Forum - Ask Dr. Math (fwd) > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 98 10:48:53 -0800 > From: "Vladimir Z. Nuri" <vznuri(a)netcom.com> > jim, don't be a bonehead. > what would it gain you if one defined 1 as prime?!?!? > "very bad science/math"?? yeah, coming from you!! Quite sendin this shit to my private email, send it to the list. It gains a consistency at the axiomatic level that isn't there now. If it won't do anything to the math you shouldn't object to adding it (course you'll have to add 'applies to all primes except 1' to a lot of theorems. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Fwd: Re: Snowball fight '98 - '99
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Guess what time it is? That's right! It's time to FUCK OFF! Why don't you jam a rusty nail in your snowball, shove it up your ass, spin it around violently, and get back to me when you're dead. Thanks. At 12:42 PM 11/19/98 -0700, ethena(a)usa.net wrote: > > > GOTCHA!!! > > > \ | / > > > \\ \ | | / // > > > \\\ \\ // /// > > > \\\ ####### /// > > > \\## ##// > > > -- ## ## -- > > > -- ## squish!! ## -- > > > //## ##\\ > > > // ### ### \\ > > > /// ####### \\\ > > > /// // \\ \\\ > > > // / | | \ \\ > > > / | \ > > > > > > You have just been hit with a snow ball! > > > > It's the start of..... > > > Snow Ball Fight '98/'99!!!! > > > > > > One rule to this game.... > > > You can't hit someone who has already hit you! > > > Now...go out there and hit as many people > > > as you can before they get you!! > > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

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Re: simple socket forwarder
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ichudov(a)Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) wrote: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> Does anyone have a simple packet forwarder to run >> on a unix system? I want to set up a daemon on an >> account to just redirect traffic from a particular port >> to another host for some basic anonymity, but I don't >> have experience doing socket coding, nor a book. >> > >It seems that what you need is called a proxy server. > >There was a perl script floating around that worked as a proxy server. > >If you do it for web accesses, consider using Crowd, a distributed >network of anonymizing proxy servers. > > - Igor. > I want to use it as a proxy for NNTP.

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RE: Goldbach's Conjecture (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Blake Buzzini" <bab282(a)psu.edu> > Subject: RE: Goldbach's Conjecture (fwd) > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:37:09 -0500 > >From _Elementary Theory of Numbers_ by William J. LeVeque, pg. 6: > > "It was conjectured by Charles Goldbach in 1742 that every even integer > larger than 4 is the sum of two odd primes. (All primes except 2 are odd, > of course, since evenness means divisibility by two.)" Ok, so this one says it was Goldbach himself and in particular states two odd primes completely eliminating 4 from the get go ... > >From _Excursions in Number Theory_ by C. Stanley Ogilvy and John T. > Anderson, pg. 82: > > "Goldbach's conjecture. Is every even number expressible as the sum of two > primes?" This one is the second version... > >From _Goldbach's Conjecture_ by Eric W. Weisstein > (http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~eww6n/math/GoldbachConjecture.html) > > "Goldbach's original conjecture, written in a 1742 letter to Euler, states > that every Integer >5 is the Sum of three Primes. As re-expressed by Euler, > an equivalent of this Conjecture (called the ``strong'' Goldbach conjecture) > asserts that all Positive Even Integers >= 4 can be expressed as the Sum of > two Primes." And finaly a third completely different slant. They at least get Fermats contribution right. > Am I misreading somewhere? Well I'd say that all three of your references tended to contradict each other. Which one do you want to stand on? This is my quote: > No, that was Fermat, Goldbach just says every even number greater than two > can be represented as a sum of primes. Basicaly Fermat says that if we have > n primes we can reduce them to 2 primes only, in all cases. Which happens to > exclude using equilateral triangles as a test bed since you can't tile a > equilateral with only two other equilaterals, you could use rectangles > though. So basicaly from a geometric perspective Fermat says that given a > rectangle of even area it is possible to divide it with a bisector into two > rectangles of prime area. > > It's interesting that Fermat doesn't mention that the only prime that can > use two as a factor is 4. And you can't factor 2 at all since we eliminate > 1 as a potential candidate (another issue of symmetry breaking simply so we > don't have to write '....works for every prime but 1' on all our theorems). I'll stand by this statement. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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VSNL Censors Indian Internet Sites.
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

( My 19th nov. post to cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net never showed up on the list, so I reposting. Thanks. ) 17 November, 1998 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Vipul Ved Prakash, 2233328. VSNL Censors Indian Internet Sites NEW DELHI, INDIA - VSNL, the Indian Internet monopoly, has been illegally blocking Internet access to a number of Indian web sites for the last several weeks, a Delhi-based Internet presence provider revealed today. The block affects only Indian citizens in India - users anywhere else in the world are not affected. One of the sites targeted is Sense/NET, (www.sensenet.net) Sense/NET lets users of VSNL's text-based shell account use the graphical Netscape browser over their shell accounts, while using only the normal shell account facilities that VSNL provides. With Sense/NET, the common man can surf the Internet just like with VSNL's premium TCP/IP service, but at a fraction of the cost. General Logic, the startup company behind the Sense/NET service, is not taking the blocking of its server lightly. "We did not so much as receive any communication from VSNL about this step, which has the potential to seriously affect our business," said Dr. Pawan Jaitly, a director of the company. "It seems very strange, too, that a security breach was attempted on our server over the Internet just days before the blockage." The censored server, at the (currently blocked) IP address of 208.222.215.97, hosts a number of other web sites including the largest Yellow Pages of Indian exporters and importers available on the Internet and the corporate web sites of the Apple Publishing Technology Center, NewGen Software, and Educational Consultants India Limited. The award-winning web site of Connect magazine, the first Indian print publication to launch a web edition, is also located on the General Logic server. Sense/NET users and others affected by the block who called up VSNL's help desk to request clarification on this issue and access to the sites were told by VSNL staffers that they did not know what the problem was, and that they themselves could not access the sites in question. No official intimation or even acknowledgement about the block has been forthcoming from VSNL. This is not the first time VSNL has blocked access to selected sites on the Internet. On September 19, 1998, online activist Dr. Arun Mehta's writ petition was admitted for hearing in the court of Justice Anil Dev Singh, Delhi High Court, against VSNL, challenging its blockage of certain Internet sites. The sites listed in the petition provide information and software for voice transmissions over the Internet. The petition argues that this action "is wholly without basis in law and amounts to arbitrary and illegal censorship of the petitioner's Fundamental Right to freedom of speech, expression and information as well as an illegal denial of his right to freedom to practice his chosen profession." The petition seeks affirmation that the constitutional rights to free speech apply equally in cyberspace, and it also opens up the issue of VSNL's ban on Internet telephony to judicial scrutiny. The matter will come up for hearing on December 9, 1998. The case is being argued by Mr. Ashok Aggarwal. The Exporters and Importers Yellow Pages web site hosted on General Logic's recently blocked server is a vital e-commerce resource for over sixty-five thousand traders who earn India valuable foreign exchange. "This ban will hurt Indian exporters as well. By banning access to sites... VSNL is cynically choosing to let the nation suffer severe loss if in the process it can safeguard its own monopolistic profits," said Dr. Mehta. "Ironically, VSNL also blocked Educational Consultants, a public sector government organization, with its action." General Logic was able to move all the web sites that were the victims of VSNL's action to a non-blocked area within hours. "Most of our clients didn't even notice their sites and email messages were being blocked by VSNL," said Dr. Jaitly. The Sense/NET site remains blocked, however. "What VSNL is doing is completely illegal. A website is a means of expression and is covered by the right to expression of all indian citizens under article 19(1)a of the Indian Constitution. This can only be restricted under article 19(2) on 'reasonable grounds' which include obscenity, but certainly not the provision of competitive services at reasonable cost," commented Rishab Aiyer Ghosh, managing editor of First Monday, a European journal on Internet law. Last year a duo of computer whiz-kids in Cochin released Shellsock, a software package that made it possible for users of VSNL shell accounts to browse the 'Net graphically. VSNL quickly set about working on ways to break Shellsock, and eventually succeeded in restricting the environment on its shell accounts to the extent that Shellsock was unable to function. General Logic launched its Sense/NET service soon after, with the goal of providing TCP/IP Internet 'tunneling' service to users worldwide, not just in India. "There are other countries suffering under the yoke of state censorship of the Internet, like China, whose authoritatian government, without warning, blocked access to the BBC web site for its citizens," said Dr. Mehta. "VSNL is a monopoly that is crippling India's progress on the Internet front." Even Microsoft, he observed, which holds an effective monopoly in the operating system market worldwide, has no mandate by any government in the market - it has to keep forging ahead or lose to its competitors. "VSNL does not have that motivation, and so it is that the Indian consumer and India suffer." Besides the threat of censorship and poor service, another risk with state monopoly Internet access providers is that they can read your mail, and monitor your communications, as the data flows through their systems. Jaitly disclosed that his company is working on providing strong military grade encryption as part of its Internet tunneling services, to provide secure private networks across untrusted links for business and personal use. "We envision Sense/NET as a sort of 'Meta ISP' providing secure, uncensorable Internet tunneling service to people in places where local access providers are unable or unwilling to deliver full access," said Vipul Ved Prakash, Director of research at General Logic. "We believe in every individual's fundamental right to access human knowledge without restriction. Our message to these people is: 'There's light at the end of the tunnel.'" It's not all crypto-anarchy and dreams of digital revolution, however. Sense/NET is a valuable service for ordinary users who are attempting to make the most effective use of their VSNL shell accounts with the limited services provided. Many of the subscribers to the service are students and other low income groups, who simply cannot afford VSNL's higher priced services. A case in point is that of Pranav Lal, a New Delhi student. Pranav is blind, and VSNL's shell account is next to useless for him. Sense/NET on the other hand allows him to use voice-enabled software to surf the 'net. "I can't afford the VSNL TCP/IP account, but for me it is vital that I am in touch with my peers over the world over the Internet," says Pranav. "Sense/NET is great because it lets me handle my email and navigate the web really simply." "We see the global free flow of ideas across national borders, enabled by digital data communications and encryption technology, as the most liberating development of the 20th century," said Ashish Gulhati head of development at General Logic. "Regulation is futile," he added. The company expects its services will be most in demand in countries where authoritarian regimes are in power. "It's shocking that this kind of thing continues to go on in India," observed Dr. Mehta. "We're the world's largest democracy, on the brink of entering the 21st century as a major player in the global software industry. But we're still enslaved by laws created during the British Raj, even in high priority areas like telecom." [1324 Words] _________________________________________________________________ Notes: 1. Dr. Arun Mehta's petition is at <http://members.tripod.com/~india_gii/telepet.html>. 2. The Forum for Rights to Electronic Expression articles are at <http://www.eff.org/pub/Groups/FREE> 3. Censored sites: + http://www.sensenet.net/ (Currently blocked) + http://www.trade-india.com/ (Now accessible on a new server) + http://www.aptc-india.com/ (Now accessible on a new server) + http://www.edcil.org/ (Now accessible on a new server) + http://www.newgensoft.com/ (Now accessible on a new server) + http://www.newgen.net/ (Now accessible on a new server) + http://www.connectmagazine.com/ (Now accessible on a new server) + http://www.net2phone.com/ (Currently blocked) + http://www.vocaltec.com/ (Currently blocked) + http://www.netspeak.com/ (Currently blocked) 4. Email addresses: + Dr. Arun Mehta - amehta(a)cerf.net + Ashish Gulhati - ashish(a)generalogic.com + Ashok Agarwal - ashokagr(a)del2.vsnl.net.in + Dr. Pawan Jaitly - pawan(a)generalogic.com + Rishab Aiyer Ghosh - ghosh(a)firstmonday.dk + Vipul Ved Prakash - vipul(a)generalogic.com _________________________________________________________________ Rev: SNPR v0.06 1998/11/17 15:58:14 webmaster(a)generalogic.com -- VIPUL VED PRAKASH Cryptography. "Everything is what mail(a)vipul.net | Distributed Systems. | it is because it got http://vipul.net/ | Network Agents. | that way." 91 11 2233328 | Perl Hacking. | 198 Madhuban IP Extension | Linux. | d'arcy thompson. Delhi, INDIA 110 092 / Networked Media. /

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VSNL Censors Indian Internet Sites. (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 04:20:43 +0000 > From: Vipul Ved Prakash <mail(a)vipul.net> > Subject: VSNL Censors Indian Internet Sites. > ( My 19th nov. post to cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net never showed up on > the list, so I reposting. Thanks. ) > > > 17 November, 1998 > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > Contact: Vipul Ved Prakash, 2233328. > > > VSNL Censors Indian Internet Sites The SSZ list got it. I even forwarded it to a friend who is working on an Indian telco/telcom project. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Goldbach's Conjecture
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If we go with the flow and exclude 1 (so we don't have to rewrite all our theorems) and assume that all even numbers greater than 2 can be represented as a sum of two prime factors we have a problem... How does one sum 4? 2 + 2? We certainly can't use 3 + 1. If we allow repetition *and* the number 2 as a prime then all even numbers can be written as a string of 2's summed appropriately. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Digital cockroaches, 5 IP's per body by 2000 [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9811/19/cockroach.cdx.idg/ > (IDG) -- LAS VEGAS - People think they're wired now, but they haven't > seen anything yet. Just wait until the world is populated with silicon > cockroaches - wireless devices that can communicate with each other > and the Internet, said John Sidgmore, CEO of MCI WorldCom, in his > keynote at Comdex/Fall '98. [text deleted] > "Everyone will have an average of five IP objects on their body by > 2000," he predicted. Eventually there will even be digital eye glasses > with voice control that would offer all sorts of information to the > wearer. "Sony is working on the technology, so it'll happen. It'll > cost $20." MORE COMDEX NEWS [INLINE] IDG.net home page IDG.net's [text deleted] > "Industry explosions like this are extremely, exceedingly rare," > Sidgmore said. "I think 40, 50 years from today people will look back > and say this was the Golden Age of Communications." [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: manners and piracy
by Bernardo B. Terrado 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> how could someone giving you a "copy of statgraphics" not be > considered priracy? or were you looking for a donation. if so, you > should have been much more explicit about what you wanted. > > > Well anyway thank you for your reply. > > What I'm trying to point out is this > > it is OK with me if you say "Take your piracy requests elsewhere" > > it is not OK with me if you say " ...fuck yourself" > > what we're trying to point out is this > it is not OK with us if you send warez requests to the list. It is the duty of all to say "Hey! respect intellectual property!" I too am against piracy, now I know that that software i.e statgraphics is not a shareware. Thank you. Exactly my point it is OK if you say "it is not OK with us if you send warez requests to the list." it is not OK if you say ".... fuck yourself"

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by par04783＠yahoo.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Search and Seizure abuse...
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(Apparently Bob H., juding from the cc: list, forwarded my message to Jean-Francois. I am responding to Jean-Francois' comments, but also am copying the Cypherpunks list.) At 5:15 PM -0800 11/19/98, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: >On Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:40:47 -0500, Robert Hettinga wrote: > >>:-). >> >>Why don't you just subscribe to cypherpunks and get it over with? >> >>Cheers, >>Bob > >Because of practical time constraints. I am quite active on the firearms >front and if I start getting CPunks stuff, I'll take forever, >notwithstanding what TM said on the topic in 1995 about how little time it >actually take to screen and process the list volume. Yeah, and your "news" items on Canadian gun laws, along with a dozen other people bombarding the CP list with "urgent news," are adding to the clutter. And to the lack of serious discussion. Too many lists, especially, I am sad to say, uncensored lists, are being bombarded by news items. The fact is, there are far, far better ways to get all the news one wants. I refer to Yahoo, Excite, Lycos, Wired, Dejanews, and at least a dozen other such general sites. Not to mention various and sundry sites for news magazines and networks. Some people, even some people actually subscribed to the CP list, routinely bounce a dozen news messages at a time to the CP list. One thing I've taken to doing is to use the "Option-Click" command in Eudora to group _all_ of the messages from one author together and highlight them...then I delete them all at one time. (So, Detweiler, now you know why I may not be responding to your non-news articles...I've been forced to delete the dozens of "vznuri" articles from "Ignition point" and other such news spammers.) >>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:02:23 -0800 >>To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net >>From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > >>At 12:46 PM -0800 11/19/98, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: >>> >>>NOTE: I AM NOT ON CYPHERPUNKS. PLEASE Cc ME DIRECTLY. >>> >> >>Sorry, I won't do this. >> >>Anyone who wants to start a discussion on a mailing list SHOULD BE ON THAT >>MAILING LIST! > >But, Tim, I have no intention on starting a discussion, I just spam CPunks >with information pertaining to freedom and, to some extent, ITAR. Consider >me as a news service... :-) Your stuff is often days behind what we've already seen, notwithstanding the fact that this list is not a news dump site. (It's especially ironic when one of the news spammers forwards an article written by Declan McCullagh. Declan writes it, the Web sites carry it, "ignition point" newsspams it to subscribers, then some subscriber to "ignition point" who isn't bothering to read the list forwards it to the CP list. Sometimes with a clueless "Hey, thought you guys might be interested in this.") >I refrain to post personnal opinions and simply forward topics that are >freedom-related. Since crypto and firearms are very close cousins indeed, I >think that it might be on topic. You will note that whenever I post on the >CFD, I use a crypto-flavored *.sig file. Come on guys, stop nitpicking! >And among all of CPunks, especially you, Tim May! If you can't do your own analysis, you have no business blindly spamming lists you are not even subscribed to. --Tim May Common Y2K line: "I'm not preparing, but I know where _you_ live." ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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Re: manners and piracy
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 4:59 PM -0800 11/19/98, Bernardo B. Terrado wrote: > >It is the duty of all to say "Hey! respect intellectual property!" If you send me a check for $350 I will agree to issue the statement "Hey! respect intellectual property!" But it is by no means a duty of anyone to make any kind of political statement. Final hint: Cypherpunks don't respond well to "argument ad shame on 'em." That is, to arguments along the lines of "It is the duty of all to protect X." Or to condemn Y. Or to support Z. --Tim May Common Y2K line: "I'm not preparing, but I know where _you_ live." ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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The South African Internet Industry
by Vortexia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, the following is the situation as it stands with the development of internet in south africa, and how things are being monopolised by 2 groups, fighting for power, at the cost of the average internet user. The 2 current groups fighting at the moment for power are the ISPA (the internet service providers association) and the telecomms company, guaranteed a monopoly on all telecomms in this country until 2003. The fight to date has gone as far as telkom trying to claim that the internet falls under their telecomms monopoly law and therefore they get a monopoly on it in this country. This was rejected by SATRA (South African Telecomms Regulations Authority) but the internet was still placed as a telecomms service, subject to the telecomms acts. Up until this time, the fights between the ISPA and Telkom have not as yet had much bearing on the average internet user in this country, however suddenly the hacking scene in south africa emerged, and 3 months ago some kiddie hackers decided to fdisk a bunch of servers. Under our laws nothing could be done to them, but 3 months later they break into Telkom, they do no damage, just browse around the system, telkom has them arrested etc. Under our legal system however, their computers were seized, but no one was actually allowed to view the contents of the harddrives etc on the machines. Including the fact that even if they were allowed to look on those harddrives, the data on those harddrives was encrypted according to the 2 hackers. So to sum up the situation in this country: Our backbone infrastructure of our internet (the telephone lines and digital lines etc) are being monopolised by one company that is state controlled (Telkom) The hacking scene is rising into the picture fast, and no one is ready to deal with it yet in the industry The laws of this country protect no one from anything on the internet Suddenly though there is a fight to create new laws in this country. The law currently says the following A.) You cannot be prosecuted for damaging or erasing data on a machine that is not yours, due to the fact that all property that falls under the laws which refer to damaged property, has to be corporeal, computer data is not considered as such. B.) You cannot be prosecuted for breaking and entering if you penetrate a computer as breaking and entering under the current law has to refer to a physical structure that you break into. C.) You cannot be prosecuted for violations of copyright if you pirate international software, and 99% of software in south africa is imported from outside, this is due to the copyright act of 1978 stating the following: A Computer program is defined as "a set of instructions fixed or stored in any manner and which, when used directly or indirectly in a computer, directs its operation to bring about a result" A computer program will be subject to copyright if it is original and if the author is a South African citizen or domiciled or resident in the Republic, or if it is first published or mad in the Republic. Copyright initially vests in the author of a work but it may be transferred to third parties. With the above as our current law, there is a move to change various parts of what is currently law. Everything they are changing it to seems to be based on the computer laws in the UK, and certain things from singapore. They are also looking to form legislation that may or may not allow for attempted decryption of logs on a harddrive, and the entry of decrypted logs into evidence, the restriction of encryption in this country, the allowance for semi-tangible evidence etc etc etc. My question is, does anyone know where I can find information regarding the UK laws as regards cyber crime, how the courts handle electronic logs, how the courts handle encryption in the UK, and if anyone has any comments on the above I would love to hear them. Cheers Andrew Alston (System Administrator)

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RE: Goldbach's Conjecture (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Blake Buzzini" <bab282(a)psu.edu> > Subject: RE: Goldbach's Conjecture > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:17:54 -0500 > I could be wrong, but I thought Goldbach's conjecture was that every even > number could be expressed as the sum of *two* primes. This doesn't prohibit No, that was Fermat, Goldbach just says every even number greater than two can be represented as a sum of primes. Basicaly Fermat says that if we have n primes we can reduce them to 2 primes only, in all cases. Which happens to exclude using equilateral triangles as a test bed since you can't tile a equilateral with only two other equilaterals, you could use rectangles though. So basicaly from a geometric perspective Fermat says that given a rectangle of even area it is possible to divide it with a bisector into two rectangles of prime area. It's interesting that Fermat doesn't mention that the only prime that can use two as a factor is 4. And you can't factor 2 at all since we eliminate 1 as a potential candidate (another issue of symmetry breaking simply so we don't have to write '....works for every prime but 1' on all our theorems). > repetition. Therefore, under Goldbach's conjecture: > > 4 -> 2 + 2 > 6 -> 3 + 3 but NOT 2 + 2 + 2 > 8 -> 5 + 3 but NOT 2 + 2 + 2 The real issue for me is the interaction of primes (ie n * 1 = n) and the identity theorem (ie n * 1 = n). They're opposite sides of the same coin. It doesn't really matter now since it doesn't look like I'm going to get a copy of EURISKO in this lifetime to play with. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Catastrophic Terrorism
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ex-CIA head John Deutch and two NatSecs write in November Foreign Affairs on "Catastrophic Terrorism: Tackling the New Danger:" http://jya.com/ct-tnd.htm (36K) They propose three new orgs to prevent and respond to terrorist use of WMD on a large scale: 1. National Terrorism Intelligence Center (Mil/Intel/LEA) 2. National Information Assurance Institute (Gov/Corp/Tank) 3. Catastrophic Terrorism Response Offices (Intel/Plan/Train/Task/Direct) Paralleling Senator Kyl and others, the proposals are based on the increased domestic use of the military while proclaiming civil liberties will be protected. And though there is considerable detail about how the military, intelligence agencies and law enforcement will work together - US and foreign - and the vast purchases of sevices and equipment that will be needed, there's next to nothing about how civil liberties will be protected. Reference is made to America's marshalling its patriotism and technology to win the Cold War, and the wondrous inventions developed to do that. Again, though, no mention is made of the price of military industrialism, which is to be expected of our finest catastrophe-obessessed minds unable to imagine a world without endless national security threats to grow their pork.

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Militiamen Assault Federal Command Post
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 12:22:20 -0500 From: Anarchist News Service <news(a)overthrow.com> Reply-To: "news(a)overthrow.com" <news(a)overthrow.com> Organization: Utopian Anarchist Party MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: alt.anarchism,alt.society.anarchy,alt.law-enforcement,alt.politics.youth,alt .society.high-school,alt.politics.radical-left,dc.general,alt.evil,alt.nuke. the.USA,alt.parents.stupid,alt.politics.drinking-age,alt.politics.libertaria n,alt.politics. To: "news(a)overthrow.com" <news(a)overthrow.com> Subject: Militiamen Assault Federal Command Post; Shots Exchanged, No Injuries Militiamen Assault Federal Command Post Shots Exchanged, No Injuries November 17, 1998 Andrews, NC -- An unknown number of militiamen attacked a federal command post late last week, exchanging fire with agents. No injuries on either side were reported, and the unknown number of militiamen were said to have fled. The Rudolph Command Post, in Andrews NC, is the base from which more than 200 federal agents are conducting a search for Eric Rudolph, suspected bomber of a number of abortion clinics and of the 1996 Olympics. Federal agents say that bullets whizzed by their heads and that one agent was barely grazed when nearly a dozen shots were fired into their headquarters. Eric Rudolph, 32, has been charged in numerous bombings, including one that killed a police officer, and has fled into the woods of Western North Carolina. The eighty agents that had been assigned to the case, until recently, when their number was boosted to 200, have been unable to locate Rudolph. ANS correspondants on the scene that the local residents overwhelmingly support Rudolph, and that many have pledged that they would support and shelter him if they felt it necessary. Rudolph is linked to far-right Christian organizations. ANS's North Carolina correspondents are not sympathetic to these organizations. ----- For more anarchist news and information, contact: Utopian Anarchist Party Post Office Box 12244 Silver Spring, MD 20908 uap(a)overthrow.com http://www.overthrow.com

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COPA/CDA II blocked until 12/4/98 [/.]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19981119S0021 > [IMAGE] TechWeb - The Technology News Site [INLINE] > Technology News - [INLINE] [INLINE] . [INLINE] Judge Blocks CDA II > (11/19/98, 8:34 p.m. ET) > By John Gartner, TechWeb > > A federal judge on Thursday issued a temporary restraining order > preventing the Justice Department from enforcing the Child Online > Protection Act (COPA), an anti-pornography law Congress passed in > October. > > Judge Lowell Reed's decision will delay enforcement of the law until > at least Dec. 4. The injunction came in response to a lawsuit filed by > free speech advocates, filed just one day after the legislation was > signed by President Clinton. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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An Invitation To Our "Netparty" For Young Professionals
by npusa＠newpostoffice.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org> crapped: > >Hey, asshole, keep my name outta this. > Nigga-lovin' asswipe, get yerself off this list.

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More Goldbach's Conjecture
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well there are two more definitions, from the same book [1], that are not equivalent: pp. 335 For all natural numbers x, if x is even, non-zero, and not 2, then there exist prime numbers y and z such that x is the sum of y and z. pp. 673 ...every even number, n>6 (it at least takes care of my question about 4), is the sum of two odd primes. ____________________________________________________________________ Lawyers ask the wrong questions when they don't want the right answers. Scully (X-Files) The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] VNR Concise Encyclopedia of Mathematics

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Moahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah u STOOPID dickheads and fuckwads supporting CUNTS like micro$oft or even working there. FUCK YOU lousy cockroaches. I, the great tormentor and terminator will stamp you out and exterminate you like the pests you are. HaHaHaHaHaHa mothafuckaz. You will all die and give way to a better world, better people and better systems. Long live Unix, Mac, Amiga and TERROR.

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do not fold spindle or mutilate
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:15 PM 11/19/98 -0500, Bill Stewart wrote: >Encryption is NOT just "mathematics, period". It's mathematics, >plus operations, password management, key distribution, >keeping track of who's allowed to see what, >plus hardware and operating systems to run the mathematics on, >and unless you're running it in wetware, it's also >computer security to protect the hardware and operating systems. >And it's black operations to go out and steal the other guys' >hardware and keys and yellow-sticky-notes and crack their OSs. Actually, to a sufficiently advanced civilization, these are all describable with mathematics. >In some contexts, especially real people's contexts, >your PC may be a fine place to run the encryption, >but in an NSA / DoD context, especially when there's a war on, >the safest way to manage many of these things is to use >dedicated tamper-resistant hardware with the users on one side Nota bene: tamper-detection + zeroizing >> tamper resistance. --Pasty aliens spied my mugs

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New postage stamp
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I hear they are coming out with a new "Monica Lewinsky" postage stamp. Initially, it will cost $.35. However, if you lick it, it will be considerably more expensive.

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