December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:52:18 +0200 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > "Anything not Permitted, is Forbidden." ARTICLE IX. The enumeration of the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: so, what did Toto *do*, exactly to get locked up? (Re: rules of en (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:40:02 +0200 (CEST) > From: DOOM Anonymous Untraceable User <nobody(a)seclab.com> > Subject: Re: so, what did Toto *do*, exactly to get locked up? (Re: rules of en > We also have people who *have* kept their noses clean being harassed. It's an > excuse to put some pressure on CDRs. It even had the effect of shaking loose > a lot of the Austin cypherpunks in a nice little divide and conquer action. That's not exactly correct. The Austin Cypherpunks have always had a problem with cohesion. There were issues that were leading me toward dropping my personal support because of lack of committment from other parties in the Austin Cypherpunks. This certainly hastened the event, it did not cause it. We were already divided in our goals and interest and unable to agree on agenda or purpose. We, as a group, couldn't even decide to spend the few dollars to put the 3-line RSA in the local paper. The last effective action we took was the speaking engagement at the last RoboFest here in Austin 3 years ago. That sort of "I want to participate, but won't do anything" attitude raises the hackles on my neck. Life is way too short to be wasting major effort on a lost cause. There wasn't much to divide and the spoils going to the conquerer are/were nil. > And it's likely they have subpoenaed more people than we've heard from. > I just hope they don't subpoena Bill Payne, or we'll receive a copy of it > every week for years to come. Yep, with those silly/strange capitalizations and sentence structures of his which look suspicously like some form of stego. You'd think somebody who claims to be that educated would have at least learned basic grammer (unless it was intentional). > The John Gilmore subpoena was focussed exclusively on cypherpunk email. > Jim Choate confirmed his is much the same. Other than dates and signatures it's identical. The focus was on any archives that I kept of cpunks or personal traffic (part c) that involved CJ in my interview. > So the focus is on what we've > all seen posted here. Personally, I found them a lot milder than Reeza!'s > projection of his suicide fantasies, for instance. I would also agree that the Cypherpunks have garnered a notoriety with LEA's such that it could/should be taken as a given that continous surviellance is occurring. Random dumpster diving in our trash, etc. should not be unexpected. This does raise an interesting point about freedom of speech and the duties of LEA's. In a democratic society what are the ethical implications of LEA's archiving publicly available documents as a matter of course, not for inclusion in ongoing investigations but rather as a base for future investigations. In addition, while the remailer operators do seem to be protected by ECPA (I was advised that I fell into this category via SSZ) what about the public archive operators? Are they covered under this umbrella? ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Child-Molesting Forger's Chilling Confession!!!1!
by bob＠derwentside.org.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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IP: [FP] Money withheld for national ID cards
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com From: "ScanThisNews" <mcdonalds(a)airnet.net> To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: [FP] Money withheld for national ID cards Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:34:02 -0500 Sender: owner-ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: list Reply-To: "ScanThisNews" <mcdonalds(a)airnet.net> SCAN THIS NEWS FRIDAY OCTOBER 23, 1998 Money withheld for national ID cards Spending bill provides moratorium on implementation http://www.worldnetdaily.com/exclusiv/981023_money_withheld_nat.shtml Copyright 1998, WorldNetDaily.com http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ By David M. Bresnahan david(a)talkusa.com The recently passed Omnibus Appropriations Bill included funding for $520 billion of spending, but it purposely excluded funds for the national ID card or the medical ID program. A review of the bill, which had over 4,000 pages and is 16 inches thick, revealed that the opponents of the effort to make state driver's licences into a national ID card succeeded in getting a moratorium on the implementation of the law enacted in 1996 by Congress. Both the national ID and the medical ID have already been made law. The moratorium delays implementation from occurring on schedule while repeal legislation is debated by Congress. The national ID became law in 1996 and will go in effect October 1, 2000, unless Congress repeals Section 656 (b) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. If the law is not changed, every state must meet certain unfunded federal mandates requiring the use of Social Security numbers, fingerprints, DNA, retina scans, and other "biometric" identifying information on all driver's licences. Another federal mandate is the medical ID, which will be a new unique number for every American intended to keep a detailed medical history in a government computer. It will be implemented unless Congress acts to repeal Section 1173 (b) of the Social Security Act. The moratorium was first included in a transportation appropriations bill, but Rep. Lamar Smith, R-TX, convinced Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-GA, to remove it before passage, according to House Transportation Committee sources. Rep. Frank Wolf, R-VA, chairman of the House Appropriations Transportation Subcommittee included the ban in the omnibus bill, according to a committee staff member. However, Smith was reported to be pushing to have that removed as well. Those efforts failed, largely because of thousands of calls placed to Gingrich's office by the public, according to congressional staffers who preferred not to be identified. Patrick Poole of the "Free Congress Foundation," a non-partisan group, sent thousands of e-mails to supporters who then called Gingrich to encourage him to keep the moratorium despite the efforts of Smith. WorldNetDaily.com reported Monday that Smith was trying to remove the ban. "Many of the callers either faxed copies of stories from WorldNetDaily, or they mentioned it when they called," the source said. "There was no way the speaker could support Smith's efforts with that kind of public awareness." The actual language found in the Omnibus Bill states: "National Identifiers: "None of the funds appropriated by this Act may be used to issue a final standard under docket No. NHTSA 98-3945 (relating to section 656(b) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act of 1996). "National Health Identifiers: None of the funds made available in this Act may be used to promulgate or adopt any final standard under section 1173(b) of the Social Security Act (42 USC 1320-d-2(b)) providing for, or providing for the assignment of, a unique health identifier for an individual (except in an individual's capacity as an employer or a health care provider), until legislation is enacted specifically approving the standard." The moratorium, now in place, will provide needed time for opponents to draft legislation to repeal both the National ID and the Medical ID. The process is expected to bring major debate over the issue. Smith and others have used illegal immigration problems as their primary justification for the need to give every American both identifying numbers. House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-TX, Rep. Ron Paul, R-TX, and Rep. Bob Barr, R-GA, are reported to be planning repeal legislation next year. None of their offices were able to be reached for comment on the success of the moratorium in the Omnibus Bill. It had been reported previously that all three had urged Gingrich to allow the moratorium to stand. Responsibility for the design and implementation of the cards has been given to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration of the Department of Transportation. That agency has recently published the proposed "Driver's License/SSN/National Identification Document," which contains the guidelines which must be in force by Oct. 1, 2000. The "Notice of Proposed Rule Making" sets out the standards for each state to follow in the design of "identification documents." The DOT solicited public comments on their plans for implementation of Section 656 (b) of the act earlier this year. The public comment period has just closed and many thousands of letters in opposition were received, according to a spokesman. Five states also expressed opposition to the plan, and only a "small number" of letters supporting the plan were known to the spokesman, who spoke on condition that his name would not be published. The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators also wrote to the DOT and recommended repeal of the law, even though they had once been in favor of such legislation. "Over the past 10 years, the AAMVA has vigorously pushed Congress and the various state motor vehicle directors to implement policies to require the submission of social security numbers as a condition for issuance of driver's licenses. This resounding defeat may spell the end of their ill-fated quest," said Scott McDonald, a grass-roots activist who operates the "Fight the Fingerprint" website. He is able to mobilize thousands of activists on a national basis using his e-mail notification system. "There is no satisfactory condition under which Social Security Numbers may be required as a condition for travel," said McDonald. "The victory's definitely not yet won. During these lull periods there's an opportunity for proponents of these issues to let opposition die down and all of a sudden, pop, it goes through without anyone even aware of it. "I don't see how the Department of Transportation could go forth with implementing the regulation with all that strong opposition to it. Even five states wrote letters of strong opposition to requiring Social Security numbers," said McDonald. Although he was in favor of the moratorium, McDonald expressed concerns about the difficulty in getting complete repeal of the law. He said many activists may now regard the issue as being resolved, when the toughest part of the battle is still ahead. "For a year we're safe," said Lisa Dean of the Coalition for Constitutional Liberties, another organization that has been actively campaigning against the provisions of Section 656 (b). She agreed that the toughest part of her organization's challenge is in front of her. Now that a moratorium is in place for a year, Dean expects repeal efforts will also include finding alternative ways to resolve the concerns about illegal immigrants, although no recommendations are in place as yet. ======================================================================= Don't believe anything you read on the Net unless: 1) you can confirm it with another source, and/or 2) it is consistent with what you already know to be true. ======================================================================= Reply to: <fingerprint(a)networkusa.org> ======================================================================= To subscribe to the free Scan This News newsletter, send a message to <majordomo(a)efga.org> and type "subscribe scan" in the BODY. Or, to be removed type "unsubscribe scan" in the message BODY. 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Word choice
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Bee in the bonnet: A few days before CJ's arrest warrant was issued >the DoJ put out a study on the "Shared Traits of Potential Assassins:" >The traits: * To achieve notoriety or fame. * To bring attention to a personal or public problem. * To avenge a perceived wrong; to retaliate for a perceived injury. * To end personal pain; to be removed from society; to be killed. * To save the country or the world; to fix a world problem. * To develop a special relationship with the target. * To make money. * To bring about political change. How does this differ from the motives of your ordinary politician? Post-revolution, will there be caliber limitations when hunting them?

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Re: Men can be raped
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Of course it's possible to rape a man. Just because he becomes erect >doesn't mean he desires sexual intercourse. People are more than the >instictive reactions their body produces. Someone who chooses not to >engage in sex, but is coerced into doing so, is raped, regardless of >his body's physical reactions. The key element is coercion. Erections >or other bodily responses have nothing to do with it. > >Consider a murderer who ties his victim to a chair and rigs a diabolical >device. A hammer strikes the victim's tendon below his knee, causing >his leg to reflexively kick and set off a bomb. The murdere is caught >but argues that the person committed suicide, since he kicked the bomb >switch himself. There's another spin to this too. Since men apparently aren't raped if they get an erection, then it follows that women aren't raped if they lubricate. You could take it one step farther, and say that neither sex can claim rape if the victim has an orgasm or if they get aroused in *any way*. Courts never cease to amaze me.

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An amendment proposal...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ARTICLE Preamble. This amendment to the Constitution of the United States is intended to address interpretational issues of the same. Should it not pass within seven (7) years from consideration then it shall be deemed removed. Section 1. We the people re-affirm our role as the sole fundamental authority in the United States of America. All other political, civil, criminal, and legislative authority derives from it. Re-affirming the integrity and respect due the 9th and 10th Amendments. And further clearly affirm the equality of the federal & state governmental bodies with that of the people. There is no heirarchy of authority between the three. We further clearly stipulate that any right of the people is to be fully and honorably respected to the individual. Section 2. We the people re-affirm the supreme authority of the Constitution over all courts and rulings thereof, including the Supreme Court of the United States of America. As directed by the 9th Amendment, no case brought before a judicial body may be based on whether a citizen has a right not described in the Constitution. And further, as required by the 10th Amendment, all legislative and regulatory rulings shall be delegated by at least one sentence in the Constitution, without exception. When making consideration of such Constitutional support the Constitution must be considered point by point and as a whole. Section 3. The exact nature of the 1st. Amendment and Congressional authority has been brought into consideration. The 1st Amendment coupled with the 9th and 10th Amendments clearly stipulate that these issues are resolved at the state or individual level. All current and future legislation must respect these, and other, prohibitions in the Constitution of the United States of America in full and without exception. Section 4. The exact nature of the 2nd. Amendment and Congressional authority has been brought into consideration. The 2nd Amendment prohibits any law, not just Congress as in the 1st, from prohibiting the ownership of firearms to the people. This does not mean that both private and public agents may not regulate the carrying and use of such weapons within their authoritative bounds. It is to be further clarified that no national requirement for registration or licensing is permitted. States may license within the bounds of their individual constitutions. Section 5. To clarify the reporting requirements of the national budget it is directed that such reports be made in full and in public every 20 years from the date of this amendment going into force. The original wording is not sufficiently clear to enforce the fiscal responsibilities of our elected officials. No federal agency or agent thereof is exempt from this reporting requirement. Section 6. The concept of individual privacy is hereby clearly recognized as being held by all peoples. No agency of any civil, legal, military, or executive authority may infringe this right without just cause. This right shall include all communications, writings, storage media, and other technologies used in the creation, execution, and storage. No authority within the United States of America may prohibit the publishing of any document or other media. The rights of ownership and copyright shall be respected to the legal holder. Section 7. While there is clearly a need for secrecy of governmental workings to protect the national interest, there is no need in a democracy to have this be carried indefinitely. It is to be directed that all materials held in any form or manner by the federal government or its agents shall be released in full to public scrutiny via the Library of Congress. These documents shall be required to be released 20 years after their initial creation. In some cases Congress may feel it necessary to extend this time limit. In whatever case Congress may not extend that lifetime in secrecy past 100 years from intial creation of the material. Section 8. A clarification of copyright. While it is clear that the author of a work should derive a period of just compensation from being a sole rights holder that requirement should not extend indefinitely. Congress is directed to decide on a just suitable time period for sole rights expression. At the end of that time all sole rights become public domain. The long term public good demands it. Section 9. Abortion is a social issue of which we recognize no clear solution without repressing some civil liberties. Since we are prohibited in principle and print from such actions we must decline authority in these issues. Per the 10th Amendment we recognize the supremacy of the state constitutions and legislative bodies in this matter. However the individual states may decide the issue the federal government will provide full support and protection to each from violent oppossition from within or without the individual states. Section 10. The federal government is required to guarantee representative governments in all states. This does not include requiring any particular form or function within those states representative governments, only that they be representative. The federal government may not withhold federal services or resources of which state derived tax dollars are involved even if a state is in direct violation of federal laws and regulations. Section 11. The use of military forces or its resources in and for civilian law enforcement operations within the borders of the United States of America, and its territories and protectorates is prohibited. This prohibition is specificly to include in times of war or civil unrest. The only permissible use of such forces is in disaster recovery and in those cases they are released to state control. The only Constitutionaly authorized force for insurrection and civil unrest is the Militia. It is permitted to transfer a unit from the regular military to the militia. Such a transfer requires all lines of authority and responsibility to derive from the militia. Such a move must be authorized by Congress except in times of war where such authorization is considered implicit. Section 12. Membership in the military, law enforcement, or other civil position is sufficient for the infringment of any civil liberties. Democracies don't give up democracy to protect democracy. Section 13. Public law enforcement agents are prohibited from unnecessarily putting the people in danger. This shall include actions or rulings which put the people in danger. We further stipulate that the police are to be held accountable for their actions which result in negligent or criminal consequences. The concept of civil or legal agents being exempt from consequences because of office are repudiated. The people who swear an oath to uphold the laws of this land are not exempt in any situation from those laws. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Feds Seize Houses for Illegal Downloading
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's an interesting civil forfeiture story. Feds catch a guy downloading naughty child pictures in a multinational raid, and immediately file to seize his house. Guy commits suicide. Feds say that civil forfeiture of homes where improper downloading takes place is a wonderful new weapon in the WarOnSomeThoughts(tm), and that they plan to do a lot more of it in the future. http://www.dallasnews.com/national-nf/nat83.htm Some exerpts.... Kenneth Nighbert lived a block from the beach in Kennebunk, Maine. Two weeks ago, the retired Air Force pilot flew his American flag upside down from his second-floor sun deck, a universal cry for help. Then he went inside, tied a plastic bag around his head and died. ... People who think they're indulging in forbidden fantasies in the solitude of their homes, only to be interrupted by a firm knock on their doors in the dead of night. ... The suspects range from a high school teacher to a 15-year-old boy to a quadriplegic man. Three women also were caught in the sweep. ... On the night of the Sept. 3 raids, Kennebunk police and Customs authorities crept up to Mr. Nighbert's home and peered through a back window, said Sgt. David Gordon. ... Mr. Nighbert was charged with possession of child pornography, a felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison, and authorities simultaneously filed a civil action seeking forfeiture of the house, which was assessed at $168,000 and owned jointly with his sister. Mr. Nighbert was freed on $10,000 bond. "He was obviously extremely upset and nervous and, actually, crying at the time he appeared in court," said U.S. Attorney Jay McCloskey. Mr. Nighbert's lawyer, Rick Berne, said he believed his client was facing too harsh a penalty for someone who only downloaded pictures. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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An amendment proposal... (fwd) [one typo fixed]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> > Subject: An amendment proposal... > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:50:30 -0500 (CDT) > Section 12. Membership in the military, law enforcement, or other civil > position is sufficient for the infringment of any civil ^ not > liberties. Democracies don't give up democracy to protect > democracy. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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BOUNCE cypherpunks@ssz.com: Admin request (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From owner-cypherpunks(a)ssz.com Sat Oct 24 13:00:48 1998 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:00:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199810241800.NAA16897(a)einstein.ssz.com> To: owner-cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com From: owner-cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: BOUNCE cypherpunks(a)ssz.com: Admin request >From cypherpunks-owner(a)ssz.com Sat Oct 24 13:00:43 1998 Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16886 for cypherpunks(a)ssz.com; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:00:41 -0500 Received: from www.video-collage.com (cpunks(a)www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by einstein.ssz.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA16879 for <cpunks(a)EINSTEIN.ssz.com>; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:00:38 -0500 Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA16887; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from systemics.ai (mail(a)systemics.ai [209.88.68.48]) by www.video-collage.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16697 for <cypherpunks(a)algebra.com>; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mises.systemics.ai [209.88.68.61] (mail) by systemics.ai with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1 (Debian)) id 0zX7op-0007VO-00; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:39 -0400 Received: from ryan by mises.systemics.ai with local (Exim 2.02 #1 (Debian)) id 0zX7oK-0002qp-00; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:08 -0400 To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Subject: new mailing list for hardware tamper-resistance Message-ID: <19981024134908.K25817@mises.@> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.11i From: Ryan Lackey <ryan(a)systemics.ai> I've created a new mailing list, called "tamper-resist", for technical/etc. discussions of tamper resistance, both through distributed techniques and hardware tamper resistance. It's hosted at venona.com. To subscribe, send mail to tamper-resist-request(a)venona.com. I encourage people to crosspost, etc.

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Mad Monger Artist
by Frederick Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Oct. 24, Some Mad Artist had let loose. In a wild fit, the world was spattered in colors and textures that no sound mind could ever hope of even dreaming of. Reality was being stretched to its limits, and beyond. On this autumn day, the world was on fire. Sunlight was illuminating every particle, every particle was humming, each collision was a spark. The sparks flashed beyond the field and periphery of my conception. I drew the curtains on the meager, pale distraction of fall foliage outside my window, and got back to reading "The latest news from Toto", or "The Keyboard as a Long/Bottleneck." Then, Mr. Young's disclosure, DoJ's "Shared Traits of Potential Assassins:" Sometimes you see those "Wanted's" posted in the post office and think, "Jeeze, looks a little like me." Then you try to remember where you were during all those blackouts and fuzzy periods. Well, I looked at DoJ's STOPAsses and thought ( with a Homer Simpsonesque voice balloon appearing above my head), "That, ...sounds like me." My next thought was more comforting, Gov'STOPA was a description of the species in general; both in suits and out, behind the counter and before, in front of the camera and behind the scope, in the (gas)chambers and on the lever/gavel. But hey, admitting you fit the profile is kinda like raising your hand. So I'll sit quietly in the back of the class and read the deaththreats carved on the desktops. Who's Toto gonna be on Halloween?

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Sniper Kills N.Y. Abortion Provider
by Frederick Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

October 24, 1998 Sniper Kills N.Y. Abortion Provider Filed at 2:48 p.m. EDT By The Associated Press AMHERST, N.Y. (AP) -- A sniper killed a doctor who performs abortions, firing through the physician's kitchen window -- the first fatality among five sniper attacks on upstate New York or Canadian abortion providers in the last four years. [...] Before Slepian, three Canadian doctors and a doctor near Rochester, N.Y., were shot and wounded since 1994. In each case, the doctors were fired upon with a high-powered rifle through windows in their homes. Canadian and American authorities issued safety tips to doctors on Tuesday. [snip...] A question for Mr. May. Many years ago, a friend and I were targeting his new .223 at a rifle range in upstate NY, near Fairhaven. On leaving, we discarded evidence of our lack of marksmanship in the trash. The bin was full of pictures of windows, pulled from magazines and catalogs, that had been used as targets. I don't remember abortionists being in any of the photos. My friend said using photos in such a way was not unusual, but it gave me a bit of the creeps. Windows as targets?

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17 Dec '03

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IP: White House Accused of Data Theft
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: White House Accused of Data Theft Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:12:25 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Washington Post http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19981007/V000584-100798-idx.ht… White House Accused of Data Theft By John Solomon Associated Press Writer Wednesday, October 7, 1998; 7:42 p.m. EDT WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Republican-led House subcommittee accused President Clinton and the White House of ``theft of government property'' Wednesday in transferring data to the Democratic Party for fund-raising purposes. Seeking to gain the attention of impeachment investigators, a stinging report written by Republican congressional staffers detailed evidence they contend conflicts with some of the White House's earlier assertions about the use of a $1.7 million taxpayer-financed database created inside the executive mansion. ``The committee issues this report to expose the evidence of the president's possible involvement in the theft of government property and his abuse of power,'' said the report by the investigative subcommittee of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee. The report cites testimony from top Democratic fund-raisers who acknowledged they got names and addresses from the White House database on a regular basis and used them to solicit donations or plan White House events for donors. ``Richard Sullivan, the DNC finance director, himself testified that he obtained lists of attendance at White House CEO lunches and the White House Economic Conference and that he used those lists to raise money,'' the report states. Originally, presidential aides insisted White House staff and the database were used only for official purposes and none of it was misused for fund raising. Federal law prohibits the use of government resources for fund raising or other political or private purposes. Those who misuse such resources can be charged with stealing government resources. White House officials said Wednesday the DNC was only authorized to use its data for invitation lists, and if information was used for anything else that was inappropriate. ``This White House, like the Bush and Reagan White House, keeps names and addresses of our supporters, and tries to ensure that they are included in White House events,'' spokesman Barry Toiv said. Toiv charged the subcommittee report was ``irresponsible and deceptive and highly partisan'' and excluded ``information that contradicts'' its allegations. The report directly accused Clinton of knowing about and instigating the misuse of federal resources for political purposes. Among the examples it cited were internal White House documents indicating that the president instructed that information he obtained from official White House e-mail or other sources be sent to his political campaign. ``Quite frequently the president will ask that certain names and addresses be added to the supporter file. ... Attached is a list of supporter file information,'' a 1994 White House memo said, asking that the information be forwarded to a separate campaign database Clinton instructed be built in Arkansas. White House officials said there was nothing wrong with Clinton forwarding to his campaign, for example, business cards he had received at the White House and said there was no evidence he sent wholesale portions of government data. The report also cites a document showing Clinton authorized a job description for a top aide, Marsha Scott, that included a responsibility for ``insuring ... supporters were involved in fund-raising activities'' such as the controversial White House coffees. Presidential aides defended Scott's job description, noting political appointees aren't forbidden by law from doing political work provided they don't solicit donations. The subcommittee also referred White House deputy counsel Cheryl Mills to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, alleging that in 1996 she located two subpoenaed documents suggesting that Clinton and his wife, Hillary, sanctioned the use of the White House database for political purposes but withheld them from the committee for months -- until after the 1996 election. It also accused her of lying about aspects of the database to the committee. Ms. Mills has said she did not believe the documents were responsive to the subpoena when she first reviewed them and sought the advice of her superiors who agreed. She denies any effort to mislead investigators. And the top Democrat on the Government Reform committee wrote the Justice Department saying he disagreed with the GOP referral, saying Ms. Mills may have made a mistake but there was no evidence of willful obstruction. The release of the report is part of a broader effort by Republicans in Congress to make public information that they think should be considered in the impeachment inquiry the House is set to approve Thursday. Rep. David McIntosh, R-Ind., said Wednesday it was ``premature'' to predict whether his findings would be incorporated into the House Judiciary Committee's impeachment investigation on the president's relationship with Monica Lewinsky. ``This isn't about sex. This is about abusing his official privilege for personal and political gain,'' McIntosh said. The inquiry into the database, which contained the names of individuals who have contact with the White House or president, has been conducted over the last two years without the same fanfare of higher profile investigations of Ms. Lewinsky, Whitewater, FBI files and the White House travel office firings. Nonetheless, the investigators said they found White House documents with official government data -- including holiday card lists -- at the DNC and the Clinton campaign. White House officials said some of the list were accidentally sent by vendors. © Copyright 1998 The Associated Press ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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Re: does Web TV use forward secret cipher-suites? (Re: Web TV with 128b exported)
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > > This is as others have noted cisco's doorbelling approach to GAK -- > having routers and automated systems doing decryption, and allowing > LEA either direct access (possibly in this case), or access via > complicit operators. > > One question which might help determins just how bad this Web TV thing > is, is does it use the forward secret ciphersuites. > > If it did use FS ciphersuites, if the LEA starts reading traffic after > some point (by asking the WebTV operators to do so, or by using a > special LEA operator mode), he can't get all old traffic. > > The EDH (ephemeral DH) modes are forward secret because a new DH key > is generated for each session. > > Some of the RSA modes are forward secret, but only on export grade RSA > key sizes (512 bit). > > As it got export permission, I fear the worst. Perhaps even special > LEA operator access. Normally, an announcement of 128-bit crypto capabilities for a home computer would mean the user has control of said crypto. The WebTV computer: http://developer.webtv.net/docs/sysgde/Default.htm o WebTV supports connectivity to the ISP of your choice. o Internet access (PPP, PAP) o HTML 1.0; HTML 2.0; HTML 3.2; frames compatibility; JavaScript 1.2 o Image: GIF89a animation; JPEG; Progressive JPEG; PNG; TIFF-G3 fax in e-mail; X bitmap; Macromedia[tm] Flash 1.0 o Audio: AU; . WAV; Real Audio 1.0; 2.0; 3.0; AIFF; Shockwave[tm] Audio; GSM; MPEG-1 Audio; MPEG-2 Audio; MPEG Layer 3; MOD; General MIDI; MIDI Karaoke; Quicktime audio; Zip decompression o Video: PEG-1 Video; MPEG-3 Video; VideoFlash[tm] o Processor: 112/167 Mhz R4640 processor o Security: SSL version 2 and 3; 40bit and 128bit RC4 encryption; root certificates for GTE, RSA Data Security (VeriSign), Thawte, and VeriSign Class 3 digital certificates Can WebTV send end-to-end encrypted email to any other Net user? Nope. The press release claiming WebTV has 128-bit security is another low in advertising obtuseness. ---guy

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Re: Something else about 'freedom'...
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** My suspicion is that this sort of opportunity is *exactly* what they want. Then *they* get to be the ones using force for coercive ends. *** Isn't this the "kill the unbelievers" scenario? Old and revered behavior. Tribal. Elemental. I don't think 'freedom' means 'anarchy.' Nor does 'anarchy' necessarily mean 'violent lawlessness.' And 'rule of law' does not mean 'safety and security.' As strong as the need for order is, so is the need for chaos. Remove either and we lose. I think freedom comes from order and knowing what to do with that freedom comes from chaos. No worries, no thoughts or you can't really enjoy an evening martini if you drink forty-two of them. Mike

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Mafia has had two primary characteristics: a) the use of force b) trade in elicit and prohibited goods and services Unless you can claim a reference to a Mafia at some time and place that had neither characteristics and a market which they monopolized which lacked any other intervention, then this all is utterly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Matt > -----Original Message----- > > >That's inaccurate. The Mafia pre-dated the US by several > hundred years if

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:21:26 -0500 > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > He is right--to an extent. Monopolies _can_ exist in a free market > under 2 conditions: > 1) Early stages of a market, when the creator/initial entrant has a > lead on the competition. This will (without "government" intervention) end > at some point unless: Actualy, without a copyright or some similar 3rd party regulatory intervention this is one of the points in a market development when a monopoly *can't* develop. At this stage of the game the entry cost is minimal and many potential groups have access to the necessary commodities (real and intellectual) to get into the business. This also happens to be when violence has the highest pay-off in staying in the market. It's the strategy of the business that determines if it can *stay* in the market. To put it in terms capable of modelling, consider a petri dish with various bacteria arranged around it. To start, no colony of any particular type (comparable to business strategy) controls the entire surface of the ager. Only after the market matures and competition begins to reduce the number of colonies and the area of the colonies increases do we begin to see a monopolization effect. This is modelled quite simply with cellular automatons. At this point in time what happens in a real-world business is that somebody gets a bright idea. He acts on that idea and starts a business. In order for that business to grow and prosper at some point employees must be hired. Those employees learn the business and some point one or more decide that since there are more people wanting widgets than there are widgets being made it looks like a good time to quit. That ex-employee starts up a company. The original employer has no way to prevent this short of overt violence, no laws or protective agents have been violated because there is no 3rd party to act as guarantor to the employment contract or the intellectual property rights. Now we have two companies making widgets. These products are consumed and resupplied at a profit and both companies (it is easy to extend this to n-parties so I'll stay with two for brevity) continue to grow until market saturation. Now some folks will claim the employer can impliment a limited access policy to the technology and product. This strategy will not work. As another potential supplier I put out an add asking for anybody who *used* to work in that industry to come by for a job. I hire them, drain their brain, and impliment my competitors system. Once the market saturates there isn't enough 'spare' money floating around to stay in business, hence new businesses in that field don't start up unless another fails unexpectedly; if its expected other competitors will begin bidding economicaly for those potential new customers. The existing employers are always trying to hire their competitors so there is a constant motivation to defect from the employees perspective (ala computer industry). Imagine the impact of these sorts of dynamics on banks and the issuance of effective currencies and how that impacts travel and at-a-distance business (such as across the big pond). Even such technologies as e$ won't solve this problem because for one variety to have a chance at the market it must be widely respected, implying a very large share of the market approaching mono-e$ token saturation. So we create a monopoly in our rush to eliminate monopolies via technology. Monopolies are a function of doing business and not any political or mathematics aspect. It's axiomatic in nature. Monopolies themselves, something we haven't even touched on, have both positive and negative characteristics. These characteristics can in fact be described to a very good degree of precision. Now if there were a mechanism to move a more rational and experience based set of laws and regulations into business then we might make some progress toward creating a society (due to moderated market activity - by a *impartial* 3rd party) where investment in technology and its application toward automation creates a situation where everyone invests a sufficient amount of income to retire in a very small number of years. Another point to be made is at no time have I required these various inter-active producers and consumers to be in lock step or have been created at the same time. Nor do they, in principle or practice, have a requirement for such things as instant market change propogation and rational participants, etc. Those issues are irrelevant except early in human history when these sorts of issues are intitialy introduced into a culture. If people can't fulfill one desire, they'll fulfill another. The result is that the same base set of human emotions and desires, expressed through a cultures bias, that varies widely in content, context, and expression, will in fact find a way to express the same basic sets. What most economists do is vastly underestimate the range of that those individual members. The major short-fall with anarchistic or free-market models is that they have faulty comprehension of a workable concept of a contract. This contract represents a major constituent of what holds any society (which I believe we'll all agree is a requirement for an economy) which is trust in the other members, that they will do what is expected at the right time. In these sorts of 2-party systems there can't be an expectable set of reactions. The contract exists from the time the consumer approaches the producer asking for a price, till the time the consumer has taken possession of the object of desire and the producer has their money. At that point, there is no warranty, no 3rd party to enforce any sort of liability, etc. Because of this the business world is best described by caviat emptor. You bought what you got. Now consider the Prisoners Delima, under what conditions does a prisoner go along with the jailer, or tries to escape (not play by the rules, whatever they may be - in this case the contract between the parties). The maximal payback for the prisoner is to go along until the jailer is lulled into a false sense of security. And then defect. This is wired into human genes, everybody does it because that is how we survive as a group in the wild. People as a whole and as individuals don't mind stretching the rules, it's just a question of what rules and how far. > B) a competitor emerges that manages to meet the entire markets > desires for goods and services in such a way that profits are so thin as to > not attract competion. Not *a competitor*, only that the total number of competitors in a given market can and do meet the market needs. At this point the growth rates of the individual business strategies begin to emerge and high efficiency and long-lived strategies begin to gain the upper-hand. As time goes by businesses either die and are replaced by consumption or else they merge to create a new structure. The major featues of that structure are that it has potential for long-lived behaviour and it reduces the management overhead, and potentialy the work force requirements (but that's icing on the cake). At that point there will be a merge because both sets of competitors want to make more money, that is their sole reason for existance. > (1) can be effectively ignored, it is a localized (in time) > condition that the market will usually remedy. Is a totaly false conjecture not born out by history or theory. > I have maintained that Monopolies in ANY market large enough to > accept competition (i.e. larger than one or two purchasers) cannot continue > to exist (in fact would have a hard time coming into existence) without > some sort of government influence. And I have yet to see an explanation expressed in market dynamics that describes how this supposed process works. Phloegestron and ether were great ideas until somebody tried to measure them... Whew. I've about had my fill of this topic for the time being.... Adios mi amigos! ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: The Cypherpunks Agenda
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The reason for the people getting upset and saying shut up and write is the fact that very few people are mentioning anything about the code. The politics discussed are sometimes reasons why we need more code but unfortunately usually don't give you an idea of what to write. Personally I have sat down many times to my keyboard with a disk of code in one hand and just stared blankly at the screen until giving up and reading the list with a notebook in hand for any ideas. I do believe in keeping the political content, however you can see the difference betwwen pointless dabate on clinton and debating on what project should we devote our time to and what causes are we fighting for and how many bananas a camel can carry. This message isn't to stifle the ointless debate it is to spur neww projects, How do we combine our vast pool of knowledge to actually produce results? One funny thing though, some people filter out anonymous messages that come from the list, what does that say about us believing in our own methods. - ---- Crey, What a world I would live in if I really had a say. >So where is the _rest_ of the code? > >"Cypherpunks write code" is a mantra to shut up any discussion of which >building blocks are important to write. And yet most of the mantra chanters >are actually not writing useful or interesting code, just hacking away in >their cubicles.... > >Sad. > > >--Tim May > >Y2K: A good chance to reformat America's hard drive and empty the trash. >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Cyber-Knights Templar build 5.5.3ckt Comment: KeyID: 0xF4D1901B Comment: Fingerprint: DB49 2BFA 856F 0B7E CB78 9C3E 0167 279D iQEVAwUBNh3RUqKPqmf00ZAbAQEePAf9G/cDeeQRYtgMqcbSn+4LjqPgPYIsxARR XMutCe6w84p86tQH4KlZMJDjdiYge6Mz+uC/s4C3K16nfJU2n/Ha+ZjOoAzhRg/1 HuZHxEElBt5Wl7FdzYWtT/OGTalYu1NAkOCEq5fKt20gHtGsSgmyVvdyLSLtGEte Ni13807ETgbhH36TT9zusE4lenFEZ9PM+cslapdOzxRx2rJOuEMh1nowcufQ89mE CWDI7mjPBdseKFUXGSPbvC1+FfeLQjFpQUjyp7ggs5AsbXElXOJUJ2VCFeOboGBI 5OK3yDzw04TjgEN7UnzatqebbSO9llu23sbuvs0Ng3/mpgZWeR9jIg== =B+l0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:14:32 -0700 > The Mafia has had two primary characteristics: > > a) the use of force not necessarily. > b) trade in elicit and prohibited goods and services not necessarily. What the La Familia represents in Italian social history is a concentration of resources within a geographic region. They were the 'law of the land'. There was no need for violence or any other covert economics. As those groups got bigger and interacted more with each other conflict arose. This conflict was the primary spark in the creation of the 3rd party that hadn't existed prior to this time (note that the market exists before the 'government' per se). The period of time to pay particular attention to in Italy's particular case is when the city states began to coalesce into what we now term Italy. This is a good example because the mountains in Northern Italy acted as barrier to outside influence to a certain degree and the spine of the boot forced life to focus on the sea coast. This made maritime trade and it's speed advantage over foot or hoof obvious. It also allowed a larger geographic area to enjoy a nearly homegenous culture. What is really interesting is that so many cultures have these sorts of organizations. Consider the growth of the Tongs in China with the loss of the concept of tribe within general Chinese culture. Also interesting is that economists as a general population doesn't study these periods to any degree worth mentioning. Historians do however. > Unless you can claim a reference to a Mafia at some time and place that > had neither characteristics and a market which they monopolized which > lacked any other intervention, then this all is utterly irrelevant to > the discussion at hand. Not at all, as demonstrated above. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:06:02 -0500 > From: Petro <petro(a)playboy.com> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Given that the textile/garment industry is often one of the first > and loudest pro-tarif voices, there might be a government manipulation > arguement there as well. They are now, but your use of an example after the market was regulated to argue that the behaviour of the market is due to being regulated is circular. The garment industy wasn't *always* regulated. Prior to the early 1900's they operated carte blanche regarding regulation. 16-20 hr days, 6 year old employees, no insurance, etc., etc. At some point after the turn of the century the social climate changed in such a way that these sorts of behaviours became unacceptable. It could have been something as simple as a series of newspaper articles that set it off. All that was required was that enough employee/consumers figured the shell game out and screamed bloody murder about it. You want to know what sets government off? It's the realization by the constituancy as a whole that their collective suffering isn't singular. A more recent example, and local to anyone in the US is the air conditioning repair industry. At one time prior to the late 70's and early 80's a license from the state or city to specificaly operate a air conditioning service industry wasn't needed. You simply got a regular old business license and a pick-up. The abuses and failures of the industry led to enough noise and complaints to the government to take a look into the industry. It's what always happens, an industry goes along until it gets big enough to be noticed by larger business. What after all is government but a form of business designed to regulate other businesses and activities... There was no government. Then there were many governments. Then the governments have fight and reduce the number of governments. The remaining governments move into areas that other governments don't or can't claim effectively. Then each government exploits its resources until it's ready for another go around. The issue is human nature and not politics, economics, physical force, etc. It's about power and not freedom. Power means you survive another day. Freedom just means you get another shot at it. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Something else about 'freedom'... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 16:07:48 -0700 > From: Michael Motyka <mmotyka(a)lsil.com> > Subject: Re: Something else about 'freedom'... > Isn't this the "kill the unbelievers" scenario? Old and revered > behavior. Tribal. Elemental. Absolutely. It's burned into everyones genes so deep we couldn't escape it if we wanted to because it means escaping from ourselves, our very nature. What defines what we are collectively. > I don't think 'freedom' means 'anarchy.' I certainly hope not. > Nor does 'anarchy' necessarily mean 'violent lawlessness.' Perhaps if we discuss Vulcans. People are people and people use violence and coercion *because* they are social animals. Further, anarchy per se unfortunately doesn't describe any mechanism that can demostrate an expectation that violence is not a viable long term option. It works. > And 'rule of law' does not mean 'safety and security.' It means an expression of a commen culture through some mechanism. Living under a 'rule of law' is no less oppressive than any other sort of dictator. > As strong as the need for order is, so is the need for chaos. Remove > either and we lose. Exactly why an anarchy won't work, it doesn't even attempt to moderate either behiour and further imposes no necessarily negative result from the use of violence and coercion. Now if a nice little girl comes up against a biker and there ain't no cops around, never was, and never will be - who do you expect to win that argument? > I think freedom comes from order and knowing what to do with that > freedom comes from chaos. Freedom comes from understanding what one can do standing alone, naked, in the middle of a wilderness. Everything else is a compromise of that. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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WPI Cryptoseminar, Wednesday, 10/14
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: goya.WPI.EDU: christof owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:19:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Christof Paar <christof(a)ece.WPI.EDU> To: "WPI.Crypto.Seminar":; cc: DCSB <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> Subject: WPI Cryptoseminar, Wednesday, 10/14 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Christof Paar <christof(a)ece.WPI.EDU> WPI Cryptography and Information Security Seminar Prof. David Finkel, CS Dept., WPI PERFORMANCE AND SECURITY IN WEB-BASED ELECTRONIC COMMERCE Wednesday, October 14 4:00 pm, AK 108 (refreshments at 3:45 pm) This talk reports on the results of a performance evaluation of a testbed electronic commerce application on the World Wide Web. The study measured the performance of the system using different levels of security, and offers some insights into the performance costs of security for such an installation. In addition, we discuss the performance implications of different implementation strategies. The work represents a joint effort by researchers from WPI and Stratus Computer, Inc. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- DIRECTIONS: The WPI Cryptoseminar is being held in the Atwater Kent building on the WPI campus. The Atwater Kent building is at the intersection of West and Salisbury Street for those coming from outside. Directions to the campus can be found at http://www.wpi.edu/About/Visitors/directions.html TALKS IN THE FALL '98 SEMESTER: 8/12 Kris Gaj, George Mason University Quantum Computers and Classical Supercomputers as a Threat to Existing Ciphers. 10/6 Christof Paar, WPI Report on AES 10/14 David Finkel, CS Dept., WPI Performance and Security in Web-based Electronic Commerce 10/28 Thomas Blum, WPI Efficient FPGA Architectures for Public-Key Algorithms [other talks to be announced] See also http://ece.WPI.EDU/Research/crypt/seminar/index.html for abstracts of some of the talks. MAILING LIST: If you want to be added to the mailing list and receive talk announcements together with abstracts, please send me a short mail. Likewise, if you want to be removed from the list, just send me a short mail. Regards, Christof Paar ************************************************************************* Christof Paar http://ee.wpi.edu/People/faculty/cxp.html Assistant Professor email: christof(a)ece.wpi.edu Cryptography Group phone: (508) 831 5061 ECE Department, WPI fax: (508) 831 5491 100 Institute Road Worcester, MA 01609, USA ************************************************************************* For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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MEDIA RELEASE: DATA FELLOWS SHIPS F-SECURE FILECRYPTO
by Marita N�sman-Repo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code) > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:02:23 -0400 > From: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry(a)piermont.com> > As entertaining as literary deconstruction can be, what is > interesting here is not what Juliet meant, but what Perry Metzger > meant in quoting Juliet. Which to have *any* impact implicity requires a commen understanding of what Juliet was saying within the context of human society and *not* personal ego. From that point it's only a question of what literary technique (eg irony or allegory) was Perry the person using. That technique will define the constraints on what Perry can say, not Perry's desire to say anything in particular. It will always come back to what the base definitions of a word are in a given language-culture milieu. Yes you can play with it but *only* within the context of that language. To do otherwise breaks the syntax-symantics connection and creates another language entirely (or more likely gibberish). ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 01:39:08 +0000 > From: Michael Hohensee <mah248(a)is9.nyu.edu> > Subject: Re: I thought of an initialy regulated industry!... (fwd) > > > Absolutely nothing. That's my point, not yours --or at least not the > > > point you made in your previous post. > > > > It is *exactly* the point I have made from day 1. > > It would appear that Jim either cannot read his own posts (and this may > well be, as I had a hard time deciphering the exact meaning of that last > paragraph-sized sentence), or simply cannot remember them. He certainly > seems to have a problem with reading the posts of others. Here is my position. I am pro nuke. Even given the lethality of the compound and the costs related to disposal it still represents a better investment of resources and human lives than natural oil, gas, etc. Yes coal plants use and put out heated water, and yes it effects the environment. Yes nuclear plants put out as much water as coal plants. It still represents the major constituecy efluent from a nuclear plant in regards environmental hazard. The only real question I had regarding nuclear plants versus coal was the water retention process and the manner in which nuclear plants process it (there is a question related to comparing coal to nukes that takes this into account). I was under the (now apparently mistaken) impression there was a regulation that seperated the core cooling water from the energy regeneration system driving the turbines (which drive the generators). The actual process is to release that water slowly over time into the normaly non-radioactive effluent. Coal plants on the other hand do put out over 300,000 tons of solid waster per year for a 1000MW plant. This posses a much higher health hazard (irrespective of some parts per billion contaminant that is the most toxic substance known to man) than the .5 tons of solid waste a nuclear plant puts out. Yes there are stupid laws regarding private processing of nuclear fuel. No, I don't support them and *nothing* I ever said can be construed that way. > I'm being to him --flaming him for no good reason! (it's true, there > isn't a good reason for flaming one such as Jim, they have no effect > --but it is somewhat cathartic). While being certain to avoid > responding to anything in my previous two posts --or at least not in a > way that makes any sense. Um, to be absolutely accurate, I have only 'flamed' a few people on this list ever. Tim May, Perry Metzger, Micheal Frumkin, Adam, a couple of others I don't remember at the moment. I did it in only one or two instances (Hi Timmy!) toward any one person. I think the most offensive statement was calling Perry Metzger a son-of-a-bitch one time because of a particular self-centered comment he'd made. That was '93 I think, check the archives. I don't believe I've ever flamed you. And don't intend to now. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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readme.txt
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

lets not sit here breeding hatred amongst ourselves over software licenses, for god's sake. we have more important things to do. we need to try and implement more different --kinds-- of crypto applications, like tim says in a recent post. we have to work together on this, not spread hard feelings amongst our little group. (really i think the number of people who can write this kind of code and who understand the political part is miniscule.) coopration is key. fucking smash the state. In a closed-door manuever, controversial "roving wiretap" provisions have been added to a major Intelligence authorization bill and passed by the House. Current wiretapping law allows tapping of a particular person's phones. The new provisions would dramatically expand current authority by allowing taps on any phone used by, or "proximate" to, the person being tapped -- no matter whose phone it is. http://www.cdt.org/legislation/calea/roving.html

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Re: Another potential flaw in current economic theory... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:13:04 -0700 > From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> > Subject: Re: Another potential flaw in current economic theory... (fwd) > Choate, who's never tried large-scale free markets, says that Actualy it's how I make my living, supporting those large scale markets (I won't argue the free part). > free markets don't work, and lead inevitably to monopoly, > and therefore we ought to use governments monopolies on force to prevent Where do I *ever* say we need 'government' monopolies. Not once, not ever. I have said, and stand by it now, that what is needed is an *impartial* 3rd party. That does *NOT* equate to 'the government'. What is important to my thesis is that the regulator is impartial. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Welcome to The New York Times on the Web
by announce＠inbox.nytimes.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Free Keynote Webcasts from Symposium/ITxpo 98!
by GartnerGroup 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Not really, the state holds a monopoly on "legal" force, whereas the Mafia and other black-market organizations do not. What is interesting is they use force often because they cannot use the government legal system to arbitrate their disputes. Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Mynott [mailto:stevem@tightrope.demon.co.uk] > On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 04:14:32PM -0700, Matthew James Gering wrote: > > > > The Mafia has had two primary characteristics: > > > > a) the use of force > > wouldn't this characteristic define the mafia as a "state" to some > degree?

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RE: Another potential flaw in current economic theory... (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > free markets don't work, and lead inevitably to monopoly, > > and therefore we ought to use governments monopolies on > force to prevent > > Where do I *ever* say we need 'government' monopolies. Not > once, not ever. No, I believe he said (meant) government's monopoly on force (i.e. regulation, not anarchism), not government monopolies. > I have said, and stand by it now, that what is needed is an > *impartial* 3rd party. That does *NOT* equate to 'the > government'. Wow, I happen to agree, people need on objective framework in which to take their disputes. The only such framework though that need be a monopoly is one that deals with force as the dispute or where force is the end retribution (i.e. you cannot have regulatory arbitrage with force). The problem is the assumption that any such regulator could be impartial. The need for such arbiter needs to be minimized (hence minimal/limited government = laissez faire != anarcho-capitalism). Matt

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IP: Navy's Open Source Security Project Shines
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 23:28:13 -0400 From: Richard Sampson <rjsa(a)sprintmail.com> Organization: Unknown Organization MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com" <ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com> Subject: IP: Navy's Open Source Security Project Shines Sender: owner-ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: list Reply-To: Richard Sampson <rjsa(a)sprintmail.com> Navy's Open Source Security Project Shines Oct 08, 1998 (Tech Web - CMP via COMTEX) -- An open source security program created by a team of Navy programmers is proving to be one of the most successful high-tech network burglar alarms online. Late last month, the Navy released an unusual warning -- attackers were probing military computers in ways that had previously gone unnoticed, coordinating efforts around the world to keep any individual series of probes virtually invisible. Analysts had finally noticed the potential crackers' coordinated probes using the Navy's SHADOW, or Secondary Heuristic Analysis System for Defensive Online Warfare, intrusion-detection program. "It was partly dumb luck," said Stephen Northcutt, the Navy's lead analyst and programmer on the SHADOW team. But the software's sensitivity to subtle attacks, combined with the number-crunching power of statisticians associated with the project, let Northcutt and his team of analysts tease evidence of the probes out of a mass of apparently innocuous network logs, he said. The SHADOW software is one of a growing number of intrusion-detection tools on the market, designed to pick up and help analyze attempts to break into computer networks instead of simply functioning as a passive firewall-style siege wall. Most of the major commercial-security vendors, such as Axent, Internet Security Systems, or Network Associates, all provide intrusion-detection programs, with support and service teams that can help analyze possible attacks. SHADOW is different in this respect. It is freely distributed online. Like most open source programs, there is some documentation, but no official support -- although there is a huge community of programmers who have looked at the code and have written improvements and continue to tinker with the way it functions. The software itself is the product of more than two years of work by a team led by Northcutt. The code was initially released to the public last May, and revised later in the summer after a slew of comments and criticism from outside developers. It consists of two parts. Sensors sit outside a network firewall, monitoring normal and potentially illicit attempts to enter the network. An analysis system sits inside the firewall keeping a log of activity, and periodically putting this information in front of a human security analyst. In the months since its release, the program has been picked up and used by several major financial institutions, universities, local government systems, and divisions of large companies that don't have budgets for commercial intrusion-detection programs, Northcutt said. "It's very good at doing some things and not so good at others," said Allen Paller, chief researcher at the SANS Institute, a network-security research and education organization. The program can be initially difficult to use, since it requires users to program their own filters to recognize attacks or probes not included in the original documentation. But the program's open source birth and evolution has made it strong and extremely sensitive, Paller said. "The real strength of this process is [the program] has been beaten on." Northcutt is a proponent of pushing the open source model even beyond the development of code, at least in the security field. Most intrusion-detection programs function by picking up unusual events -- malformed TCP or domain name system queries, handshakes between servers and clients that don't look quite right, or other signs of computer probes and attacks. SHADOW and other commercial trip-wire programs do a good job of picking up things they recognize, Northcutt and other security analysts said. But new attacks -- such as the coordinated probes spotlighted by the Navy last month -- require considerable expert analysis to spot. "Attackers have been sharing very well inside their community," we have no equivalent to the underground magazines and other communication channels." -- Stephen Northcutt U.S. Navy That's where the open source model comes in, Northcutt said. Intrusion-detection analysts can function best if information about different attacks is widely and freely distributed. The Navy site that distributes SHADOW publishes much of the information it uncovers, and distributes new filters that recognize new attacks and probes. This kind of open, widely shared information is critical for stopping crackers, but must happen on a wide scale, he said. "Attackers have been sharing very well inside their community," Northcutt said. "We have no equivalent to the underground magazines and other communication channels." Paller agreed. His organization is one of several that sponsor workshops where security professionals can share their experiences with their peers. SANS also runs a security-oriented mailing list with nearly 55,000 subscribers, many of whom served as SHADOW reviewers. "Unless we get communication lines going, we can't keep up," Paller said. "Otherwise, we don't have a chance." -0- Copyright (C) 1998 CMP Media Inc. News provided by COMTEX. 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Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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No Subject
by Connectfree Admins 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: propose: `cypherpunks license' (Re: Wanted: Twofish source code)
by Blake Coverett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>This might seem like a paradox: you give people "more freedom", but >they end up with less. How can that be? It has to do with stretching >the word "freedom" to include the ability to control other people. >That kind of "freedom" tends to leave other people with less freedom. >What happened with the X Window System illustrates this unambiguously >(see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/x.html) This assumes that writing and selling proprietary software is 'the ability to control other people'. I fail to see why this would be the case. Free software is a good thing, but people *choose* to accept the restrictions of non-free software for any number of reasons. I do not see anyone being coerced into using it by threat of physical force. regards, -Blake (who prefers markets to religions, even with software)

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Re: Something else...
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> I think freedom comes from order and knowing what to do with that >> freedom comes from chaos. > > Freedom comes from understanding what one can do standing alone, > naked, in the middle of a wilderness. Everything else is a > compromise of that. I was thinking more along the lines of : an animal that has literal freedom spends 99.9% of its time looking for food and avoiding predators. The order we impose upon our lives by being social animals give us a more satisfying type of freedom that is derived from leisure. What I see as the real problem is that as the degree of order is increased the society becomes more like an anthill. Which I consider the perfect example of a bioengineered police state. Kind of what corporate America would like all of us citizens to be - predictable controllable unquestioning undeviating uncreative underthethumb consumer units. A key means to this end is eliminating cash and privacy. It's no here yet but it's in process. I don't think it's a conspiratorial effort either - it's more the result of widespread bad behavior. I'm rather stunned at the blatant disregard our representatives display for the basic liberties the moment these liberties seem inconvenient. Mike Don't trust your HW or your SW. There are soldier ant footprints everywhere.

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Re: Something else... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:53:05 -0700 > From: Michael Motyka <mmotyka(a)lsil.com> > Subject: Re: Something else... > >> I think freedom comes from order and knowing what to do with that > >> freedom comes from chaos. > > > > Freedom comes from understanding what one can do standing alone, > > naked, in the middle of a wilderness. Everything else is a > > compromise of that. > > I was thinking more along the lines of : an animal that has literal > freedom spends 99.9% of its time looking for food and avoiding > predators. The order we impose upon our lives by being social animals > give us a more satisfying type of freedom that is derived from leisure. Actualy most animals spend 60% or more asleep, only about 10% looking for food (there are exceptions here for the smaller herbivores because of scaling issues related to metabolism). The current estimate is that, for example humans, in the wild spend only about 8 hours out of 40 is spent looking for food. > What I see as the real problem is that as the degree of order is > increased the society becomes more like an anthill. I agree, but I think it's a function of the form of government and not the institution of government itself. A large part of it, which I've stated many times, is that the vast majority of systems that people develop assume the people are plug-n-play. That's a major shortcoming in my mind. I believe democracy has a chance to subvert that shortcoming but only if the participants aren't primarily motivated by compromise, a base human expression. > Which I consider the > perfect example of a bioengineered police state. I'll agree biology has a lot to do with it if it's not recognized for the shortcoming it is. > Kind of what corporate > America would like all of us citizens to be - predictable controllable > unquestioning undeviating uncreative underthethumb consumer units. The 'rational consumer' axiom in traditional economics is a perfect example of how this becomes entrenched (even when it isn't accurate). That's sort of the problem with government in that they want these absolute limits on behaviour, yet so few behaviours are absolutely good or bad. Law sucks when it deals with exceptions. Another aspect of failure in our current system is that the law and its practitioners aren't unbiased, they have a vested in interest in the outcome, not the principles. > it's in process I don't think it's a conspiratorial effort either - > it's more the result of widespread bad behavior. I'm rather stunned at > the blatant disregard our representatives display for the basic > liberties the moment these liberties seem inconvenient. Your preaching to the choir... One aspect that seems under appreciated is that as the population grows the number of people who hold a particular view grow. Since their behaviours are influenced by those views it begins to be expressed as a social movement (perhaps not in the traditional view ala yippies for example) and even a political one. The collective results of all these little actions can in fact behave in a manner that is quite 'conpiracy' like. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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IP: ISPI Clips 5.29: What's on Your Hard Drive That The Delete Didn't Delete?
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ama-gi ISPI" <offshore(a)email.msn.com> Subject: IP: ISPI Clips 5.29: What's on Your Hard Drive That The Delete Didn't Delete? Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 00:40:03 -0700 To: <Undisclosed.Recipients(a)majordomo.pobox.com> ISPI Clips 5.29: What's on Your Hard Drive That The Delete Didn't Delete? News & Info from the Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) Friday October 9, 1998 ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This From: The New York Times, October 8, 1998 http://www.nytimes.com What's on Your Hard Drive? If You Want Privacy, It Pays to Find Out What Data Your Computer Saves And How to Erase Information That the Delete Button Hardly Touches http://search.nytimes.com/search/daily/bin/fastweb?getdoc+site+iib-site+52+ 0+wAAA+privacy By PETER H. LEWIS For computer users, some of the more startling revelations in the Starr report have nothing to do with sex. Footnotes in the report from the Office of the Independent Counsel include such phrases as "document recovered from Ms. Lewinsky's home computer," "e-mail retrieved from Catherine Davis's computer" and "deleted file from Ms. Lewinsky's home computer." One of the ways Kenneth W. Starr's investigators peered into the private lives of their subjects was to peer into their computers. What they were able to find, and the ease with which they found it, may prompt computer users to re-evaluate their computer practices. Word processing software, Web browsing software and electronic mail have become integral to all sorts of communications, both professional and personal. As a result, many people have files on their hard disks that they wish to keep private, like love letters, confidential business documents or financial data. And many people have sensitive, confidential and potentially embarrassing files in their computers that they do not know are there, either because they think that the files have been erased or because they are unaware that certain common programs on the computer automatically keep a log of what the user does. "Recovering files that were deleted from a computer directory is a trivial process," said Joel R. Reidenberg, a professor at the Fordham University School of Law in New York who specializes in privacy issues. He said a related issue was the computer's creation of sensitive files that the user often did not know were there in the first place. "The user's Web browser will create files, unbeknownst to the user, that record all their interactions," Professor Reidenberg said. "Many people today know about cookie files, but the browser creates a history file as well that keeps a record of the Web sites the user visits. And then there's a cache file that sometimes even keeps copies of the pictures that have been downloaded." More obscure are the temporary files created by word processors, for example, and the so-called swap files that an operating system creates as a way to manage computer memory. These files often remain readable even if the original files are erased. In computers, being safe can sometimes lead to being sorry, as Oliver L. North discovered in the Iran-contra investigation in the Reagan Administration, when incriminating files he thought had been deleted were later resurrected from network backup tapes. In the current Justice Department investigation of the Microsoft Corporation, e-mail messages and memorandums from long ago are being resurrected from computer disks and cited as crucial evidence. The great majority of computer users have little reason to believe that their computer files will be scrutinized by law-enforcement agents, corporate and government spies, or even special investigators. But what about unscrupulous co-workers or curious children or computer thieves? What confidential information resides on the hard disk of the computer that was donated to charity, sold at a yard sale or accidentally left on the commuter train? Examples abound of sensitive information going out the door when government agencies, pharmacies, doctors' offices and other businesses donate or sell used computers without erasing the computers' memories. Last year, for example, a woman in Nevada bought a used computer from an Internet auction company and was surprised to find that it contained names, addresses, Social Security numbers and prescription information for 2,000 people, including people being treated for AIDS, alcoholism and mental illnesses. A pharmacy had failed to erase the information when it sold the computer. The rise in the number of computer thefts and the increased sharing of computers in the home are confronting consumers with security issues that in the past were issues only for big corporations, banks, the military and government agencies, said Steve Solomon, chief executive of Citadel Technology Inc., a security software company in Dallas whose products include Winshield and Folderbolt. "It's moving down into the small office and home office markets, to schools and to home computer users," he said. How does one keep confidential information private? And when the information is no longer needed, how does one make sure that it is completely erased? Both questions involve a combination of good computer security policies and good security software. The software is the easy part. Creating and sticking with good security habits is the hard part. "Technology exists today to protect individual privacy for as long as the individual chooses to keep the information private," said Scott Schnell, senior vice president of marketing at RSA Data Security of San Mateo, Calif. Computer users today have access to inexpensive software tools that can encrypt the contents of a file (including images), an e-mail message or even the entire contents of a computer so thoroughly that it can never be read by someone else in our lifetimes. Other programs can shred unwanted files so completely that no one can recover them. But very few people use such security tools. Computers are good at keeping secrets. Too good, in fact. The secrets can reside on a computer, and on a computer network, long after the user deletes them. The files are forgotten, but not gone. Deleting a file does not really delete the file. It merely hides it from view so it no longer shows up in a directory of files. It's like getting an unlisted telephone number. The listing may not appear in the phone directory, but the phone can still ring if someone knows the right number. When a user deletes a file, the computer stops listing it in the file directory and marks the disk space as available for reuse. Another file may eventually be written atop the same space, obliterating any traces of the original. But as hard disk capacities swell into the gigabytes, the space may not be overwritten for a long, long time. In that limbo period when the deleted file is undead, any moderately skilled computer user can locate, restore and read the deleted file by using such commands as "undelete" or "unerase," which are common features of many software utilities. The computer's ability to remember deleted files is most often a good thing, especially when important files have been deleted by accident. Every day, computer technicians get frantic calls from people who have inadvertently erased the boss's speech or the big presentation due the next morning, or who have children who have erased those boring Quicken folders to make room on the disk for games. At those moments, being able to resurrect the files from the dead seems like a miracle. There are a number of utility programs available that have an "unerase" capability, to be used both in emergencies and as a precaution against accidents. Examples include Norton Utilities from the Symantec Corporation. But as with most tools, "unerase" programs can be dangerous in the wrong hands. To truly erase a file and prevent it from being recovered, one must write over it, or wipe it. There are several utility programs available that enable the user to overwrite a single file or the entire disk, or anything in between. Such programs typically have apocalyptic names, such as Shredder, Flame File and Burn. Similar disk-wiping tools are often included in PC utility programs and encryption programs, but others are available for downloading without charge from the Internet. These programs typically hash over the designated disk space with meaningless patterns of ones and zeroes, instead of the meaningful patterns of ones and zeroes that represent the original information. That process renders the deleted file unreadable in most cases. The key phrase is "in most cases." Just as with encryption, there are people working just as hard to recover wiped files as there are people working to wipe them. Law-enforcement agencies and spies have developed ways to reverse a simple, one-pass wipe with ones and zeroes and retrieve the original file. So the Federal Government requires that sensitive files be wiped many times with random characters, which, in theory, obliterates the original file and makes it unrecoverable. Unless, of course, the file has already been copied onto backup tapes. In the digital world, the original file may be shredded, while one or more perfect copies can exist elsewhere. An even more bulletproof way to render files unreadable is to encrypt them. Encryption scrambles a disk or file, including pictures (or a telephone conversation, or a credit card sent over the Internet) so it can be opened and read only by the person holding the proper key, or password. The strength of the encryption is often measured by the length of the key, which is in turn measured in bits. In general, each additional bit of key length doubles the amount of effort needed for unauthorized users to break the key. Even weak encryption (with a 40-bit key length, for example) is sufficient to deter most casual snoops. Breaking a 56-bit key requires computing resources that are beyond the reach of all but the most determined code breakers, and even then it can require days of sustained attacks by a supercomputer just to crack one e-mail message. (The Government's National Security Agency, by far the most formidable group of code breakers on the planet, is thought to be able to break 56-bit keys in a much shorter time, said Enrique Salem, a chief technology officer at Symantec, whose products include Disk Lock, Norton Your Eyes Only, and Norton Secret Stuff. Some encryption programs available today use 128-bit keys, which are "infinitely unbreakable, at least in our lifetimes, even taking into consideration the predictable advances in computing power," said Schnell of RSA. In other words, it is more secure than the strongest physical vault ever built. Not even the National Security Agency is believed to have the ability to break a 128-bit key. And then there is e-mail. People type all sorts of embarrassing, confidential or intemperate words in e-mail in the mistaken belief that such messages are private. In reality, messages sent by e-mail are less secure than messages scribbled on a postcard. The way the Internet mail system works, an e-mail message passes through several exchange points, or nodes, on its way to the recipient's computer. The system administrator at each handoff point can in theory read the message, copy it, reroute it or tamper with it. If the message originates or terminates in a corporate computer system, chances are high that a copy will persist in the company's backup tapes or disk for days, at least. In the end, there are only two ways to keep information confidential in the digital age. One is to use strong encryption. The other is never to write it down or speak it in the first place. PRIVACY PROTECTION: Who knows what secrets lurk on your hard drive? With luck, and with the following security programs, only you do. PGP 6.0 (Windows 95, 98 and NT, and Macintosh OS 7.5.3 and newer; free for individual, noncommercial use) Philip R. Zimmermann's Pretty Good Privacy, or PGP, is one of the world's most widely used encryption programs for personal computers, so good, in fact, that the United States Government contends that it is as potent a military weapon as a jet fighter or a cruise missile. NORTON YOUR EYES ONLY 4.1 (Windows 95, 98 and NT; about $75; (800) 441-7234.) Norton Your Eyes Only performs a variety of password-protected security functions. It can be set to blank the screen and lock the computer if the user steps away for a minute or to prevent unauthorized users from booting the machine. RSA SECURPC (Windows 95, 98 and NT; $59; Security Dynamics Technologies; (800) 732-8743.) Intended more for small office use, SecurPC links with the Windows Explorer file management system to automatically and transparently lock disks and files with 128-bit encryption, but it allows the keys to be shared with administrators. COOKIE CRUSHER (Windows 95, 98 and NT; $15 shareware; www.zdnet.com/swlib, www.shareware.com, etc.) Cookies are small files that a Web site installs on your hard drive. The cookie can contain technical and personal information, including a history of the Web pages you have visited. These utilities enable the user to accept or reject cookies. BCWIPE WINDOWS (Windows 95, 98 and NT; $15 shareware; www. download.com, www.zdnet.com/swlib and others.) For those who prefer not to use an encryption package, BCWipe provides military-grade file and disk wiping to make sure that deleted files are really erased. 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IP: Canadian Military Ready for Y2K Meltdown
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Canadian Military Ready for Y2K Meltdown Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:18:46 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: NOW On Communications http://www.now.com/issues/current/News/tech.html Militia readies for millennium meltdown 2000 cyberglitch the major concern for Canadian forces By PATRICK CAIN Preparing for a civil emergency resulting from mass computer collapse on January 1, 2000, has become the first priority of the Canadian military, a general told a group of Toronto-area reservists in Meaford Sunday. That means the military is taking the millennium bug so seriously that its worst-case plan, Operation Abacus, is a higher priority than Canada's part in the NATO force in Bosnia-Herzegovina, where 1,319 Canadian soldiers (at the moment, most from Ontario) are helping enforce the Dayton Accord. "Some people argue that it is the first priority amongst many priorities," brigadier general Walt Holmes, who commands ground forces in Ontario, tells NOW Monday. "Our operational commitments in Bosnia will carry on, and so our soldiers who are either deployed to or preparing for those operations will be given the same support. "One can never anticipate what else may happen in the world to cause us to have to deploy soldiers, so the bottom line is, if nothing else from a contingency-planning point of view (emerges) it's the top priority with the Canadian Forces." The problem, often referred to as Y2K, stems from the way computers express the year portion of a numerical date, like 12/31/99. When the code that forms the foundation of modern computer software was being written in the 50s and 60s, programmers decided not to use then-precious computer space for the first two digits of the year. Because computers working on these assumptions aren't aware of centuries or millennia, they will decide that January 1, 2000, is actually January 1, 1900. Because this disrupts the computer's sense of chronological sequence, it can cause chaos and system breakdown. Since computer systems with six-digit dates control everything from electricity systems to emergency dispatch systems to air traffic control, companies, utilities and governments are pouring money and time into finding and fixing the bug. Too vast But because this involves scanning miles upon miles of computer code, some argue that the task is simply too vast and intricate to be accomplished. Rotting food, cranky nuclear reactors, banking systems run amok -- a few hours in the world of Y2K prophecy is enough to make you think a bunker in Algoma full of canned beans might be the best idea after all. Most things we depend on depend on a computer chip somewhere, and that includes deep freezes, nuclear reactors, food distribution systems, banking systems, phone switching systems, wage and pension cheques, taxes, and building management systems without which high-rise office buildings -- and therefore Bay Street -- can't function. "I can't make you feel 100 per cent confident that everything is going to function on January 1 of the year 2000," Ted Clark, the vice-president of Ontario Hydro's Y2K project, told an alarmed parliamentary committee in April. Hydro says it has 600 people working on the problem. But we don't need to wait for the end of the millennium to watch the problem unfold -- Y2K glitches are already happening. Earlier this year, the New York State liquor licence system crashed spectacularly when officials tried to enter a licence that would expire in 2000. More recently, the systems of several hospitals in Pennsylvania crashed when staff tried to enter a medical appointment in 2000. At a conference in Ottawa last week, Toronto-based senior army officers argued for a mobilization plan to deal with military involvement in a possible crisis. Mobilization plan "The recommendation from us is that we would like to see some form of commitment to ensuring that the reserves are able to respond," Holmes observes. "We just said some sort of mobilization plan, to allow us to determine what reserves we may get. (That would correspond to) Level Two mobilization." (In Canadian military doctrine, four stages of mobilization exist -- Stage 1 is the existence of the armed forces, Stage 2 is deployment of the armed forces in its existing organization, Stage 3 is military expansion in an emergency, and Stage 4 is national mobilization in war.) Among the options the military is considering is the stockpiling of food and generators in armouries against a serious emergency. "As to where they're going to go, and what the end result will be, we don't know yet," Holmes says. "It depends on the perceived threat, as we get closer to the date." Persistent rumours that Christmas leave in 1999 will be cancelled for regular soldiers are premature, Holmes says. ("They'll probably wait until everybody's made plans, and do it then," quips military critic Scott Taylor.) One important issue is what legal category military involvement in a crisis would fall into. The armed forces recognize two types of domestic operations -- unarmed assistance to civil authorities, which mostly involves coping with natural disasters like the February ice storm or the Manitoba flood, and "aid to the civil power," which implies the potential use of force. Oka and the imposition of the War Measures Act in 1970 would fall into this latter category. 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IP: Privacy, Other Issues Post Difficulty for E-Commerce Meeting
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Privacy, Other Issues Post Difficulty for E-Commerce Meeting Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 09:38:25 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: USIA http://www.usia.gov/current/news/latest/98100807.clt.html?/products/washfile /newsitem.shtml 08 October 1998 PRIVACY, OTHER ISSUES POSE DIFFICULTY FOR E-COMMERCE MEETING (U.S. position outlined at OECD conference in Ottawa) (840) By Bruce Odessey USIA Staff Correspondent Ottawa -- As ministers from industrialized countries met to work out ways for promoting electronic commerce, differences persisted on a number of issues, especially privacy. When the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) Ministerial Conference in Ottawa ends October 9, either the ministers will produce a communique demonstrating some sort of agreement or the Canadian minister presiding will produce a communique demonstrating continued disagreement. In an October 8 address to the conference, U.S. Secretary of Commerce William Daley called privacy "the make-or-break issue for all of electronic commerce." At issue are the potential for abuse of credit card numbers and confidential medical and other private information by unscrupulous businesses. Daley was confident that the privacy and other consumer protection issues would be resolved. In a panel session, President Clinton's adviser Ira Magaziner described the U.S. vision for protecting consumer privacy on the Internet, a vision reliant on industry self-regulation, not government regulation. In each country, he said, some independent private sector organization would develop a privacy code of conduct and authorize a graphic seal of approval for web sites that pledge to follow that code. The participating web site would have to notify potential buyers about what information it would collect about the buyer and how it would use it. The buyer would have the choice not to make a purchase under those conditions. In addition, Magaziner said, consumers would have the ability to settle complaints about privacy abuse through the organization, which would also conduct routine audits to assure compliance by its web site participants. Already 70 percent of relevant U.S. businesses conducting electronic commerce have agreed to participate in this program once it becomes established in the next few months, he said. Magaziner compared the U.S. approach with the European Union (EU) approach, which establishes government privacy regulation from the beginning. In fact, a EU privacy directive scheduled to enter into force in two weeks, prohibiting flows of electronic data about EU nationals to countries that have no similar regulation, threatens some disruption of data flows to U.S. companies. Secretary Daley said he remains hopeful the two sides will avert any disruption. "To be frank, we must succeed or millions of transactions between the United States and Europe may be blocked," he said. Magaziner argued that the U.S. vision of an alliance of independent organizations for protecting consumer privacy operating in different countries would achieve the flexibility required for the rapidly evolving business of electronic commerce in a way that governments could not. "None of us know where this is headed," he said. "We have to be very cautious before we act" to impose government regulation that could stifle the expansion of this new technology soon after its birth. The OECD secretariat draft proposal on privacy recognizes the different approaches to privacy and other consumer protection issues -- government regulation and industry self-regulation -- and suggests ways for both to exist. While some EU representatives grumbled that the OECD draft pays too little heed to consumers, Secretary Daley was pleased. "I welcome this commitment to work together to find common ground on this issue," Daley said. "We believe that our self-regulatory approach can co-exist with approaches taken by other governments. "To be honest, it won't be easy," he said. "But with careful thought and hard work, we can get the job done." Privacy is but one in a set of issues concerned about building consumer trust in electronic commerce. Conference participants acknowledged that the level of trust remains low for most consumers, who hesitate to commit their credit card numbers to cyberspace. One of those issues concerns authentication of information exchanged by parties to an e-commerce deal; another concerns enforcement of contracts; another concerns the use of encryption for authentication and privacy. No one expects final answers to emerge at Ottawa. Another area of controversy the ministers are tackling concerns taxation of e-commerce transactions. At an October 8 panel, U.S. Internal Revenue Service Commissioner Charles Rossotti said a discussion the day earlier among government and business participants pointed to some consensus emerging at least about broad principles. First, he said, there was consensus that definition was needed about where products delivered by the Internet are consumed, especially for intangible products like services. Second, he said, participants wanted to promote the availability of electronic taxpayer services, including electronic tax filing and provision of tax information and guidance on the Internet. Third, he said, taxes should be collected in a way that does not disadvantage those who comply and tax authorities should aim to prevent cheating by electronic means. Fourth, he said, existing international tax rules should be clarified for their application to electronic commerce, especially potential problems caused by the location of information servers. ---------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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No Subject
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>HOW MUCH CODE DID 'CYPHERPUNK' TIM MAY EVER WRITE? How much code have you ever written?

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[SF Bay Area] SCSI controller/PCI person?
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If any of the Bay Area Cypherpunks here know of somebody or are themselves knowledgeable in SCSI controller firmware or design, PCI boards, or fast embedded systems crypto, please get in touch with me for a chat. Thanks, --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP 5.x encrypted email preferred

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EZ Wiretap Server
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Sean Donelan, see a point and click CALEA wiretap server: http://www.newnet.com/products/win/calea.html

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Re: EZ Wiretap Server
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > > Thanks to Sean Donelan, see a point and click > CALEA wiretap server: > > http://www.newnet.com/products/win/calea.html That's disgusting. o Capacity for up to 512 simultaneous call content intercepts on a single call basis o Capability to incorporate FBI "punchlist" items o Supports Lawfully Authorized Electronic Surveillance (LAES) delivery features o Delivers intercepted call content and call identifying in formation simultaneously to five authorized law enforcement agency collection systems o Supports three service categories: non-call associated, call associated and content surveillance If anyone can get a hold of functional characteristics manuals for the product, lemme know, I'd like to have a copy. ---guy "Punchlist"? Keyword monitoring?

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