December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: Postcard Debates
by Wilson, Jamie (J.R.) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If everyone just encrypted their messages then no suspicions would be raised regarding the use of encryption. Most people use envelopes, plain and simple -- and as a result no one questions what they are hiding. It's understood that mail is private and therefore people have a right to seal it in an envelope and not worry about people tampering with it. On the same note, there are federal regulations and penalties (in the U.S. anyway) for tampering with mail and interrupting the delivery of it. The same laws should apply to email. ____________________________________________________ Jamie R. Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Robert Wenzler [mailto:rwenzler@usachoice.com] Sent: Thursday, 10 December, 1998 13:56 To: Mbishop645(a)aol.com Cc: maven(a)weirdness.com; hab(a)gamegirlz.com; Cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Mbishop645(a)aol.com wrote: > > >HaB wrote: > ><snip> > >> That's a good place to begin, though. "Would you send a letter to > >> someone without an envelope?" "Then why not put your email in the > >> electronic equivalent of one?" > >> > >> balance. > > > >Would I send a letter to someone without an envelope? > >One word: postcard. > > Ahh, but would you tape a check for your phone bill to a postcard? Other > than writing a greeting to someone what else do you use a postcard for? No, I would not tape a phone bill check to a postcard. There is the chance for it to fall off. There is different methods of sending mail for different levels of security and functionality. Some people make it obvious what is inside an envelope. (who would not recognize a Christmas card from the envelope?) Others make it as bland and normal as possible to have it go by without much notice. It all depends on how secure you want it. Some things you can do with what amounts to postcard security. What amount of security do you want for your email? Would you be willing to do something extra for that security? This type of question is up to each person. How much risk is the person willing to take. Each person has the responsibility to understand what the risks are and to decide what risks they are willing to take.

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Re: alternative b-money creation
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have to agree with Bill here. It's kind of hard to call something "money" if you can't exchange it for other things which also call themselves "money". ;-). Cheers, Robert Hettinga ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Test
by Mok-Kong Shen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

please ignore this.

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SSZ had ISDN problems this AM...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Because of the weather change here there was an outage of ISDN connectivity at my ISP. It seems to be back now. No idea if it will return in the next day or so. ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: alternative b-money creation
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart writes, regarding Wei Dai's b-money protocol: > It still doesn't solve the fundamental problem with the b-money idea, > which is that there's no reason anybody should want to accept it, > any more than they should want to accept dead-president fiat paper money. > It fixes some symptoms of fiat money, but not the fundamental problem, > because it's still fiat money, just with mathematically interesting > artwork printed on the front. B-money is not fiat money. It is better to think of it as commodity money. Unlike most commodity money, in this case the commodity is not intrinsically valuable. However it is scarce, and more can be created only at a considerable cost. An analogy might be money based on a rare earth element like Terbium (which, let's suppose, has no industrial uses). Terbium based money would be immune to inflation, like gold backed money, but the element is not valuable in itself; it is only valuable for its role as money. This leads to an important difference between b-money and fiat money. The value of b-money is not set by fiat. The value is determined automatically by the workings of the market and the workings of the protocol. There is no centralized agency to make b-money legal tender, or to set its value in terms of other currencies. Most importantly, there is no agency which can issue new b-money, inflating and devaluing the currency. Money is a store of value and a medium of exchange. B-money is admirably suited for these purposes, much better than fiat money. The quantity of b-money in a mature system is, roughly speaking, constant. (The quantity may grow, but it will do so slowly, based on the increased demand for b-money.) B-money is an investment which will hold its value. Because it can be exchanged electronically, it is much more flexible as a medium of exchange than existing forms of money. > One of the big problems with fiat money is that someone who > can get other people to trade it for real goods has an > incentive to print lots of it and acquire a very large share > of the real goods in the economy, leaving the rest of the people > with unredeemable artwork and only able to get their share > of goods by giving the fiatmeister labor or other real goods. > > Wei Dai's b-money proposals reduce the incentive to create > lots of b-money by requiring the creator to burn lots of > valuable CPU time to create the mathematical artwork on the notes, Think of this CPU-burning as the effort to mint or mine new b-money. Like other commodity based money, and unlike fiat money, b-money cannot be printed. New b-money can only be added to the money supply by virtue of expending work. This is what insures that there is no inflation. > In some ways, it's even _worse_ than traditional fiat money, > because creating it uses up CPU time that could otherwise be > calculating things that have value for the rest of the economy, > like optimizing airline routes or circuit-board designs, > or less valuable cool things like rendering bug pictures for movies > or calculating the next Mersenne prime or cracking MongoBank's keys, > or, well, drawing space-war pictures real fast on your Nintendo. You could say the same thing about gold mining, in the days when gold was money. Most gold went into circulation as coins, not adding beauty or value to the economy. Its only utility was as an increase in the money supply. But, of course, adding to the money supply is an important contribution. To have a stable commodity money, it must be costly to create more, and the cost must be "wasteful" in the sense that it is not compensated other than by the monetary value of the newly produced money. Otherwise you will get excessive inflation. It's ironic for people to complain that b-money is inferior, in a world in which fiat money is universal. Once the mathematics of b-money are better established and understood, and once the technical issues are clarified and problems solved, this appears to be a very attractive alternative to fiat money. Unlike commodities such as gold, it can be easily exchanged electronically. And unlike fiat money, it is immune to attempts to manipulate the money supply. B-money could easily attract investment as an inflation-proof store of value. This may be enough to initiate the bootstrapping process. People can buy b-money as a store of value, and once they hold it they will want to be able to spend it. This will lead to a demand for merchants to accept it, and the process has begun.

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Bruce Taylor ed -Reply
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:44:05 -0500 Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> From: Dan L Burk <BURKDANL(a)SHU.EDU> Subject: Bruce Taylor ed -Reply To: CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM >>> Filtering Facts <burt(a)NORTHWEST.COM> 12/10/98 07:58pm >>> >How is it that you guys all missed the ed. by Bruce Taylor in USA Today >last week? Especially since it contained a plug for me. ;-> Sorry, I probably filtered it out. I've had "Bruce Taylor" in my mental bozofilter ever since he used to work for Charles Keating. The only thing that's changed since then is that (so far as I know) Bruce no longer relies on pilfered S&L funds for his crusades. Now how's that for a filtering fact? ---------------------------- Dan L. Burk Seton Hall University burkdanl(a)shu.edu ---------------------------- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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angel 0.5 released
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My website (software page) should have angel 0.5 on it at around midnight (GMT). This is a mail transfer agent intended to operate well with remailers. Progress since the last release is taking the DH key authentication to a different program so that the RSA secion when added will not be in the main server (angeld). RSA authentication of the DH key is still to be added. -- ############################################################## # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ##############################################################

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2nd reposting of a response to Jim Choate (on crypto archives)
by Mok-Kong Shen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Note: There was some technical problem since yesterday to cypherpunks postings, so that my posts to the list didn't result in copies back to me. This morning I reposted these, again without success. An hour ago Igor Chudov informed me that the problem was solved and I have just verified this with a test message. I am therefore reposting once again one of my posts of yesterday here. It is a response to Jim Choate. Please ignore it if you have already seen it. Jim Choate wrote: > > > From: Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen(a)stud.uni-muenchen.de> > > > We were talking about a site that has to be closed because of (new) > > crypto laws, not technically down which is seldom with modern hardware. > > And also you said that money is no problem! > > You need to go back and re-read what prompted this. Your responce is > completely out of context. > > > Why you care so much about people who voluteer to run sites? They > > certainly know what kind of risks that they probably face, financial > > or otherwise. Do you care your neighbour who opens up a new company > > and do you feel unconditionally have to give him advices?? Are you > > the one who is cleverer than all the others? > > It depends, do I shop there? > > I'm done with this discussion. You want to expect people to put their neck > on the line and you use their services while owning them nothing then wonder > why nobody does it, so be it. Let me ask you some clear questions and please give me also clear answers: If there is some person who is grown up and is not metally ill and who decides to volunteer to put up an archive site of crypto software for the benefit of those who need them, what do you have against that? Any reasonable person who plans to do some business (for profit) certainly well considers the possible risks he might have. For non-profit activities like what we are discussing it is clear that one is much more careful before launching the work. Why do you want to disuade him from doing that? If he fails, that's his fate but you don't loose a cent because of that. If he puts up a site and that has to be closed down after a couple of months because of unforeseen new crypto laws, you at least profit in that short time period of the possibility of downloading from his site and other people also profit from that. If his country has poor economy (inflation, unemployment etc. leading possibly to early depletion of his monetary resources) or bad infrastucture (total breakdown of telecommunication of his country, rendering his site no longer operable) or religion (because he is physically injured by religious fanatics and therefore unable to work), or whatever other reasons than these three that you mentioned, that's all HIS business not YOURS. He, being in his own country, should know all such risks much much better than you! Be happy that because of him you have one more possibilty of obtaining your desired software (during the time his site is operational)! If he ever gets into trouble, it will be fine of you if you will try to help him, through raising funds etc. But you are not obliged to do that. So I don't understand the motivation of your arguing up till now. I would be able to understand if you were working in an authority attempting to strengthen the effects of crypto laws, thus wishing to have as few archive sites in the world as possible, at best none. (Of course, I know absolutely nothing of you. Should I happen to have made here a wrong assumption about your occupation, then I like to offer my sincere apology.) M. K. Shen

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2nd reposting of a response to Enzo Michelangeli (on crypto archives)
by Mok-Kong Shen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Note: There was some technical problem since yesterday to cypherpunks postings, so that my posts to the list didn't result in copies back to me. This morning I reposted these, again without success. An hour ago Igor Chudov informed me that the problem was solved and I have just verified this with a test message. I am therefore reposting once again one of my posts of yesterday here (not exactly identical to the original, being reconstructed from memory). It is a response to Enzo Michelangeli. Please ignore it if you have already seen it. Enzo Michelangeli wrote: > It would be helpful if the list included the approximate size in Mb of each > archive. I'm making arrangements for some mirrors here in Hong Kong, and I > need an estimate of the space needed. I don't know. But a number of years ago I accessed some archive sites of software for processing of Asian languages. From that and the fact that modern disks have become much bigger in capacity and cheaper, I suppose that storage shouldn't be a bottleneck. I like to take the opportunity to mention a non-trivial issue that happens to have refreshed my attention by a reader's letter in a computer journal, namely that software at public archives could be infected by virus. I suppose one should give this potential risk some consideration, since in the present context there could be some third party particularly interested in disrupting the goals of crypto archives. Another point I like to raise is what to archive, i.e. whether only program texts (which are small) or also executable files, and how to let the archive contents be up-to-date. Related to this is whether the archive owner has to fetch everything himself or there is also a directory for uploading by contributors (this is the case with the archives I mentioned above and is sensible for new software and for updates.) M. K. Shen

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Mornington Crescent Explained (was RE: Global Strike to protest Wassenaar)
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Ben[SMTP:ben@edelweb.fr] wrote, in reply to me replying to Richard Bragg: > >> > Ever played Mornington Crescent? Try the same thing with >> > e-mail. The idea is that only those in the game know "the rules". >> > These rules can change at any time in any way and all >> > "real players" can tell about the new "rules" and adjust accordingly. >> >> showing of course that he either doesn't know the *real* rules of >> Mornington Crescent or else (more likely) doesn't want to reveal them! Oh, >> and this posting quite clearly wins this round - even with the new DLR >> extensions and the Elverson Road footbridge:-) >Ok Ken--you didn't get 'Soccer Moms', now us Yanks don't get 'Mornington >Crescent'. You want to explain to the list? Well, you *did* ask. Don't blame me. It is summed up well at: http://vortex.hawo.stw.uni-erlangen.de/~asheiduk/pgg/06S/06S008.html or, more prosaically, at: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6270/ed_morning.htm Straight from the horse's mouth: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_79000/79273.stm A transcript of an actual game can be found at: http://www.lazarus.demon.co.uk/mc/mc100.html - he also has many other links at: http://www.lazarus.demon.co.uk/mc/mc.html The Encyclopaedia Morningtonia has more detail than anyone in their right brain would want to know about the game at: http://aurora.york.ac.uk/mc_em.html Here are the rules of a slightly different game that Richard may have been thinking of: http://members.xoom.com/mornomic/ruleset.html and http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd/mornomic/ruleset.txt Ken

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by chat-register＠yahoo-inc.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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update.403 (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:40:29 -0500 (EST) > From: physnews(a)aip.org (AIP listserver) > Subject: update.403 > CLUSTERING AND COLLAPSE IN GRANULAR MATERIAL. > DOES CHAOS AFFECT THE COURSE OF AN ARMS RACE? > Yes, it may, particularly when great disparities exist between two > nations' economies (as is the case with the US and Iraq), according > to a new mathematical model developed by researchers in Japan > (Mitsuo Kono, Chuo University, kono(a)fps.chuo-u.ac.jp, 011-81- > 426-74-4161). In an attempt to mathematically model the feedback > between two adversarial nations as each builds up arms stocks, > British scientist Lewis F. Richardson published in 1949 a well- > known set of equations with variables describing such things as a > nation's military spending levels and parameters quantifying factors > such as a nation's internal pressure against military spending. This > model suffered from shortcomings, most notably that its linear > equations provided all too predictable results; critics noted that > many arms races spiral unpredictably out of control. In the > Japanese researchers' model a nation's reaction to an enemy's > weapons buildup is not automatically to build more weapons but is > instead a function of the difference in weapons and military > spending between two nations. This approach leads to more > realistic nonlinear differential equations which quantify concepts > normally unknown to physics, concepts such as fear, threat, > grievance, and fatigue. Their model shows an arms race can > progress in a mathematically chaotic fashion when the economic > situation of the two countries is different, but is more predictable > when the economies are more comparable (Tomochi and Kono in > the journal Chaos, December 1998.) > CORRECTION. A typo affecting a single letter can completely > reverse the meaning of a sentence. Thus in Update 402 in the > sentence "It is not thought that physics does differentiate between > the forward or backward movement of time," "not" should be > changed to "now." ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Issues of crypto, politics, & chaos [sciencedaily.com]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/order_chaos.htm > Posted 10/8/98 > Encryption Advance For Secure Global Communications > Scientists at the Department of Energy's Los Alamos National > Laboratory have achieved a significant advance in demonstrating the > viability of an unbreakable encryption scheme for transmitting secure > communications to and from satellites. > > Posted 9/9/98 > Mathematicians Prove That Group Decisions Can Be Impossible To Predict > For several years, some political scientists and others have argued > that group decisions such as elections are impossible to > anticipate-even if the preferences of the voters are well established > and the decision-making rules are set. Now there's a mathematical > proof to back that proposition. > > Posted 9/4/98 > Chaos-Based System That "Evolves" Answers May Be Alternative To > Current Computers > A revolutionary new computing technique that uses a network of chaotic > elements to "evolve" its answers could provide an alternative to the > digital computing systems widely used today. Described for the first > time in the September 7 issue of Physical Review Letters this > "dynamics-based computation" may be well suited for optical computing > using ultra-fast chaotic lasers and computing with silicon/neural > tissue hybrid circuitry. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Is Open Source safe? [Linux Weekly News]
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Frank O'Dwyer writes: > Here we're talking about > deliberately inserted back doors. Those can get extremely nasty, and may > be unpatchable. Examples include "data kidnap" (encrypting the target's > information in situ and demanding a ransom for the decryption key), and > "data cancer" (slow corruption of the target's information, ensuring > that the backups are also corrupted). ... I haven't heard of any real > examples of such attacks, but that's not especially comforting. The "data kidnap" scenario was tried with the "PC CYBORG (AIDS) virus" (actually a Trojan) scare of 1989, where a disk with a database application was sent to a number of recipients. I think it scrambled the FAT. It gave a post office box in Panama for the ransom payments. -- Jim Gillogly Highday, 3 Foreyule S.R. 1998, 20:23 12.19.5.12.16, 8 Cib 9 Ceh, Fourth Lord of Night

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RealSystem G2 Ships
by radinfo＠real.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - the various definitions (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:03:43 +0100 > From: "Albert P. Franco, II" <apf2(a)apf2.com> > Subject: Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - the various definitions > Math works because in most (we would like to say all...) cases it is WELL > DEFINED. Subtle differences in the definition of a problem can drastically > alter the solution. Absolutely. > Goldbach's Conjecture states that any EVEN OR ODD > number can be expressed by a sum of three primes. No, Goldbach's says specificaly EVEN numbers. > lose sight of the domains of the two statements. He never stated that ODD > numbers could be expressed as sums of TWO primes. Nobody said he did. > It is very important to get all of the information assembled before running Absolutely. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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building a better zyklon-B (Re: KRA on ADK vs KR, NAI membership)
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Writing about PGP's key recovery mechanism (CMR (Commercial Message Recovery) or ADK (Additional Decryption Key)), Dave Del Torto quotes from a letter he sent to info(a)kra.org: > I'm not aware of the KRA's public position on the recovery of > plaintext using cryptographically sound and ethically responsible > alternatives to the escrowing of keys in organizational situations, > e.g. PGP's Additional Decryption Key (ADK) mechanism. I don't see that ethics has any bearing on the difference between Key Escrow, and PGP's CMR "message recovery" design. They are both just yet another protocol to allow third parties to decrypt encrypted traffic. Ethics enter into the discussion when one one starts to argue about which third parties will be able to eavesdrop on the traffic. This issue is largely orthogonal to the general technique used. Parties which people are most concerned about having access to data are the spooks and governments via organisations such as NSA, GCHQ, ECHELON etc. In a commercial setting there is also some political debate about whether the employee has any expectation of privacy. One might also argue about whether it is ethical to design software which helps or makes it easy for third parties to gain access to the plaintext in general. > What is the KRA's public position on PGP's ADK? So one has to be clear of one's aims in asking KRA if they think PGP's CMR or ADK is a nice technology for adding NSA backdoors to crypto. Say, for example that they decided that CMR is neater than their CKRB mechanism. Now what? NSA/KRA lobby companies to include a modified CMR with the NSA's public key as a mandatory additional recipient? And NAI gets `asked' by the NSA to burn an NSA public key into PGP 7. Adam

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Re: Securing data in memory (was "Locking physical memory (RAM) under Windows")
by Jim Adler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SCNSM 1.0 Beta, a non-swappable memory allocator for Windows 3.x/95/98, is available and can be downloaded from http://soundcode.com/content/download/products/scnsm/default.htm (docs) http://soundcode.com/content/download/products/scnsm/scnsm10b.zip (source) The SCNSM driver supports allocation of non-swappable memory on Windows 3.x/95/98. The principal design goal of SCNSM is to provide memory that will not be swapped to disk, under any circumstances. Typically, security applications require such memory to store private keys, passwords, and sensitive intermediate results of cryptographic calculations. SCNSM uses the same technique as allocating DMA buffers for hardware device transfers. The idea being that Windows doesn't swap DMA buffers and therefore won't swap this buffer either. The SCNSM source-code is copyrighted freeware. The intent here is to end the perennial nuisance of having sensitive security data swapped to disk which undermines the public's confidence in commercial security products. Please send any questions or bugs to me or support(a)soundcode.com. Jim ================ Jim Adler Soundcode, Inc. www.soundcode.com

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Re: Securing data in memory (was "Locking physical memory (RAM) under Windows") (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Jim Adler" <jadler(a)soundcode.com> > Subject: Re: Securing data in memory (was "Locking physical memory (RAM) under Windows") > Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 22:47:48 -0800 > SCNSM 1.0 Beta, a non-swappable memory allocator for Windows 3.x/95/98, is > available and can be downloaded from [text deleted] > The SCNSM driver supports allocation of non-swappable memory on Windows > 3.x/95/98. The principal design goal of SCNSM is to provide memory that will > not be swapped to disk, under any circumstances. Typically, security > applications require such memory to store private keys, passwords, and > sensitive intermediate results of cryptographic calculations. [text deleted] Sounds cool, but I have a couple of questions: 1. Is it OpenSource? 2. I assume since it never swaps to disk the memory requirements for the computer are large. What is the minimum suggested if one runs say 5 apps that each require 16M each, 5*16M & OS overhead? And what is the suggested OS overhead with no swap to disk? (OK, that last one might be a 3rd question) ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Goldbach & Sum's of two primes to odd numbers
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Somebody explain how to odd numbers added together make a third odd number. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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by 4details＠bitsmart.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Digital bearer postage stamps
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Quoting Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) > I wonder if these guys have heard of double spending? > > Does anyone know whether this is some kind of 2-d barcode (it must be) or > is it something else? > > Cheers, > Robert Hettinga It's a 2-d barcode, with a bunch of info encoded into it.. Short answer: they use statistical security measures to prevent double spending, but they have a *scary* reputation and limitless resources to pursue fraud, something no one else really has. I would not be brave enough to double spend with this system from my home state, if I were in the US. Longer rambling answer: The E-stamp folks are pretty hardcore as far as security goes, I recall. They use a Dallas Semiconductor iButton (plug: check out the ibuttonpunks mailing list....) as a local value store, after paying for postage at a central location, and do other security measures I don't quite recall -- perhaps encoding your local post office, such that the local post office could keep its own database of double spenders, or having a global double spending database. The post office is pretty much protected from fraud, in any case -- much more than existing letters (which can be forged against high-speed equipment using a phosophor pen). I'm not sure how E-stamp protects itself from fraud, or protects its customers from E-stamp committing fraud, but I'm fairly convinced there is at least statistical security for the USPS against users. I believe the USPS published a standard during the search for a new postage system -- they did a pretty good job of it, I just never bothered to buy a copy. If someone bought a copy and mailed it to jya, it would be doing everyone a service. (Even if you have the nerve to commit bank wire fraud, check fraud, armed robbery, espionage, sedition, etc., you probably still aren't brave/reckless enough to commit postal fraud, though -- USPS inspectors make IRS auditors look passive) Cheers, Ryan ryan(a)venona.com

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A tad more on Goldbach's...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I figure I'll drop a couple of more points on this since nobody else seems to have twigged to them.... Goldbach's original conjecture is crap. There is NO way that 3 odd numbers will ever equal an even number. Odd + Odd is Even. Even + Odd is Odd. Fermat was a hell of a lot more charitable to the original assertion than I would have been. Goldbach's existing conjecture can be worded another way: Any even number may be represented by the sum of 3 even numbers provided two of the numbers are 1 less than a prime and we add 2. It's obvious that an even number can always be the sum of other even numbers, it's axiomatic. The question actualy is: Is the set of even numbers whose members are one less than the corresponding member of the primes sufficient, when added to 2, to sum to all the even numbers. As far as I can find nobody has written a lot on patterns of even numbers 1 less than the odds. There's not even a name for the set that I can find. As to somebodies assertion that an odd number can be represented by the sum of two odds, better study your math a tad better. Odd + Odd is *always* Even, never Odd. Happy Thanksgiving! ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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unscribe
by Maxim Bugaenko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Scientific American: Science and the Citizen: BEATING THE TEMPEST: (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From stugreen(a)realtime.net Fri Nov 27 00:31:17 1998 Sender: root(a)coney.lsd-labs.com Message-ID: <365E45CB.549F4085(a)realtime.net> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 06:25:15 +0000 From: Stu Green <stugreen(a)realtime.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: Scientific American: Science and the Citizen: BEATING THE TEMPEST: December 1998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.sciam.com/1998/1298issue/1298techbus4.html

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Re: A tad more on Goldbach's... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:06:11 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: A tad more on Goldbach's... > Ditto for your bizarre theories about how electric fields work, about how > charges inside conducting spheres don't follow Gauss's Law, and other > crankish theories about electricity. Bullshit Tim. I NEVER said that. You and the other physics geniuses who stated that an internal charge on a conducting sphere doesn't get propogated out to the surface of the sphere are the ones who are claiming that Gauss' Law doesn't apply. Don't give me credit for your stupidity. You give it a rest. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: A tad more on Goldbach's...
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May scolds Jim Choate: > Ditto for your bizarre theories about how electric fields work, about how > charges inside conducting spheres don't follow Gauss's Law, and other > crankish theories about electricity. > > Give it a rest. No doubt it would be rude to point out that it was Tim May's aggressive defense of off-topic postings that has made cypherpunks a safe haven for the likes of Jim Choate. As for Choate, perhaps his least charming trait is his insistence on posting his incoming private email to the mailing list, as though cypherpunks were his personal mailbox. He even scolds people who have the courtesy to take off-topic discussions to private email. This behavior is exactly the opposite of appropriate mailing list etiquette. Choate is like a little boy who feels a fart coming on when in the bathroom, and who runs into the living room to share it with guests. His particular stench has been fouling the list for far too long.

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Space Aliens Address cpunx
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Trying another tack, Jeff launched into his "Nation of Laws" speech, ignoring shouted questions about selective prosecution, institutional revenge-taking, political hit lists, taxpayer suicides, and his organization's complicity in incidents of mysterious death more numerous than those trailing behind El Prez Klinton himself. When he delivered the line about "the price we pay for a civilized society," the extremes of apoplectic laughter so engendered were alarming enough that he paused in the interest of avoiding the necessity to explain deaths of attendees by traumatic mirth to the Canadian authorities. When he resumed, so many of the recovering crowd had gone to the restrooms to clean themselves up after pissing their pants and some of them vomiting from the effect of convulsive laughter that his later points were largely lost. The question and answer period was somewhat stunted by Jeff's seemingly uncontrollable habit of asking each questioner's SS number. He didn't seem to comprehend that out of his usual institutional context such requests set off everyone's alarm bells, being the hyperparanoid rebel fucks that they are. Of those who persisted, two threw Jeff curve balls he seemed unprepared to catch. One asked him his relationship to the Gordon who penned the Treasury's notorious Gordon Report of 1981, in which the author proposed using Letters of Marque and Reprisal against uncooperative tax haven nations, denying their flag airlines landing rights in the U.S., and blatantly stated that the U.S. must use every means at its disposal to pressure other nations to change their laws, even their constitutions, if necessary, to conform with the wishes of the U.S. Treasury and submit themselves to U.S. extraterritorial jurisdiction. Jeff seemed flustered, then changed the subject. 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Declan "Chainsaw" McCullough didn't seem to notice Jeff's premature withdrawal (as, indeed, he hadn't seemed to notice Jeff's entrance), and continued trying to charm two buxom blonde reportwhores with his tales of journalistic derring-do and wildly exaggerated claims of his manly proportions. Blanc, tiring of this reportwhore's incessant questions about her panties, settled the issue once and for all (or at least for _that_ evening) by slipping them off while seated, and placing them over my head in such a way that I could see out the legholes while inhaling her womanly fragrance. My dizziness prevented me from noticing much else for the rest of the evening, my reaction to The Scent being not unlike that of a cat to catnip. I was told later that after collapsing to the floor I squirmed my way from table to table, making the complete circuit of the Coal Dust Saloon, confirming everyone's suspicions that I can't be taken anywhere. But then, neither can they. I was recovered enough at night's end to help with the ritual decontamination of the Saloon that always follows the infectious presence of government thugs. In addition to the spiritual cleansing, some half-dozen subminiature bugging devices were recovered, followed by much entertaining speculation on which local asswipe they should be planted on to encourage the most dangerous life forms around to feed on each other. TruthMonger "Just because you have part of me locked up doesn't mean you have all of me locked up." When I heard them say, "You have the right to remain bent over. Anything you say or we imagine you said or would like to tell people you said can and will be used against you. You have the right to an attorney who works for us. If you cannot afford one, an attorney will be provided to help you cop a plea. Your ass belongs to us," I realized the Revolution had already begun. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNIOCSM5WpAclQcU1AQEayQQAxK8pV2vaImguCj6dmGBTvzWrkgZWMwIy dfxDsf2akW+tbKZlj2PhMSrR1akBEd0LEsbekVf0bP7d/EAzNAMtB2FUezFhEtE3 BrV6fodfNzNsMMSR/i+tb+wN/6vSYXyqJmCyTfIzUnmHFHvtNf0WfIbEZi6wliQi KtsjgvL3A2A= =kYIE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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IP-Adresses
by Patrick Hinsberger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, my English is fuck, but I hope that anybody unerstand me <bg> If I`ve got a IP-Adress, f.E. 126.0.202.146 and our proxy denies this Adress, I can transform this adress in one number... ((126*256)+0)*256+202)*256+146 = 7E 00 CA 92 Is there a mistake? Can I connect with this adress to a Website? (Netscape Navigator and Proxy from Bull Systems...) -@Hinse@- Please give reply direct to my E-Mail adress, and not to the group...

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Y2K Privatization Opportunities
by Carol Moore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Libertarians: Whatever the extent of Y2K related problems that actually develops, there is one thing for certain: The private sector will be up and running smoothly before much of the government sector. Y2K will be a fantastic opportunity to promote and achieve privatization. So let's start planning for taking advantage of that opportunity and stop arguing about how bad it will or will not be. Somebody want to start the "Y2K Privatization Coalition"?? CarolMoore(a)kreative.net http://www.kreative.net/carolmoore

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Welcome to ZDU
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17 Dec '03

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trusting code
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:12 PM 11/23/98 +0000, Frank O'Dwyer wrote: >Vlad Stesin wrote: >> I don't quite understand the logic behind this. The fact that the >> program's source is available is itself a proof that there are no >> backdoors. Anyone can read the source code and make sure it's OK. > >Anyone can, but does anyone? Yes we do, but applied skeptics also consider the problem is also trusting your compiler, and the rest of the OS (incl. memory manager, keyboard driver, the email program your PGP utility may plug into, BIOS, etc.) What version of Microsoft compilers will begin checking for Mozilla code and compiling 'differently'? See Ritchie's Turing award article on Trusting Trust...

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open source
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:48 AM 11/23/98 -0700, Jim Burnes - Denver wrote: >Break into the coding environment? Does that mean they broke into >the VMS development shop? It is reasonable to believe that the US government (and others) finds a patriotic "contact" with access to source, inside various big code shops (MSoft, Lotus, the corporation formerly known as DEC, etc.) If it were otherwise we would not be getting our tax dollars' worth, eh? --Maced aliens confide in my fugs

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A bit more on Goldbach's and Primes
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Goldbach's Conjecture: Any even number >2 can be represented as the sum of two prime numbers. Goldbach's Extension: Any even number >=6 can be represented as the sum of three even numbers. 2 plus two evens that are each 1 less than a prime. Process: 1. Pick an even number 2. Select largest prime that is smaller by at least 4. 3. Add 1. 4. The difference between 1 and 3 should be a p-1. Add one to the difference and it must be in the list of primes. If it's not then go back to 2. and select the next smaller prime because the odd number that comes from (p-1)+1 isn't prime for that prime. Observation: This technique could be used to extrapolate potential unknown primes from known primes since it produces a much smaller list of potential candidates than simply testing consecutive odds via a sieve. It also is not as porous as Mersenne Prime tests. 2+(largest_known_prime-1)+(next_smallest_unknown_prime-1)=big_even_number So, we need a way of guestimating the magnitude of the next prime and pick big_even_numbers that are appropriate. Observation: For a given x the number of primes <x is limited by x/ln(x). So we could note the points where x/ln(x) increases by 1. Even Number Sum's: 6, 2+2+2 8, 2+2+4 10, 2+2+6 12, 2+4+6 14, 2+6+6 18, 2+4+12 20, 2+2+16 22, 2+2+18 24, 2+4+18 26, 2+6+18 28, 2+4+22 30, 2+6+22 32, 2+2+28 34, 2+2+30 36, 2+4+30 38, 2+6+30 40, 2+2+36 ... 100, 2+2+96 ... 398, 2+8+388 Note: this breaks since 8 isn't available. 9 ain't a prime. 2+14+382 next smaller doesn't work since 14 isn't there. 15 isn't prime. 2+18+378 that one works! ... 666, 2+4+660 ... 758, 2+6+750 ... 1,032, 2+10+1020 ... 1,044, 2+4+1038 ... 6,236, 2+6+6228 ... 7,920, 2+12+7906 Note: can't use 7,919 since it's delta is <4. Iterated Sums: 2+2+2=6 2+2+4=8 2+2+6=10 2+2+10=14 2+4+2=8 2+4+4=10 2+4+6=12 2+4+10=16 2+6+2=10 2+6+4=12 2+6+6=14 2+6+10=18 1st 1,000 Primes & their p-1's: p p-1 ------------------------------- 2 1 3 2 5 4 7 6 11 10 13 12 17 16 19 18 23 22 29 28 31 30 37 36 41 40 43 42 47 46 53 52 59 58 61 60 67 66 71 70 73 72 79 78 83 82 89 88 97 96 101 100 103 107 109 113 127 131 137 139 149 151 157 163 167 173 179 181 191 193 197 199 211 223 227 229 233 239 241 251 257 263 269 271 277 281 283 293 307 311 313 317 331 337 347 349 353 359 367 373 379 383 389 397 401 409 419 421 431 433 439 443 449 457 461 463 467 479 487 491 499 503 509 521 523 541 547 557 563 569 571 577 587 593 599 601 607 613 617 619 631 641 643 647 653 659 661 673 677 683 691 701 709 719 727 733 739 743 751 757 761 769 773 787 797 809 811 821 823 827 829 839 853 857 859 863 877 881 883 887 907 911 919 929 937 941 947 953 967 971 977 983 991 997 1009 1013 1019 1021 1031 1033 1039 1049 1051 1061 1063 1069 1087 1091 1093 1097 1103 1109 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How to unsubscribe
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Happy Thanksgiving! Forwarded message: > From owner-cypherpunks(a)ssz.com Tue Nov 24 12:35:18 1998 > Message-ID: <365B0981.966548AE(a)192.168.100.6> > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:31:13 +0000 > From: Maxim Bugaenko <max(a)192.168.100.6> > Reply-To: slaike(a)mika.dp.ua > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: unscribe > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com > Precedence: bulk > X-Mailing-List: cypherpunks(a)ssz.com > X-List-Admin: list(a)ssz.com > X-Loop: ssz.com > X-Language: English, Russian, German > > 1. You MUST spell correctly. 2. send a message to majordomo(a)domain.name with an empty title and the body consisting of 'unsubscribe <your_subscribed_email_address>'. Note that if you don't unsubscribe from the same account you subscribed with it will fail. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: A bit more on Goldbach's and Primes (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: A bit more on Goldbach's and Primes > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:18:13 -0600 (CST) > From: ichudov(a)Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) > According to the original conjecture, there are two prime numbers P1 and > P2 such that N=p1+p2. > > Rewriting this: N = 2 + (p1-1) + (p2-1). > > That is, two plus two evens that are each one less than a prime. > > That's eighth grade math. No, shit. It's a pity nobody seem to have ever carried it through and published it. > > Process: > > > > 1. Pick an even number > > 2. Select largest prime that is smaller by at least 4. > > 3. Add 1. > > 4. The difference between 1 and 3 should be a p-1. Add one to the > > difference and it must be in the list of primes. If it's not then > > if it is not then it must have not been in the list of primes. Exactly, I've a latter version that covers the various boundary conditions and what they mean. 9 and 15 for example aren't prime so because that number doesn't appear in the list of primes you know that this prime won't work as a candidate and you go pick the next lower one. If this is your only objection with this algorithm then I'm covered. > > Observation: > > > > This technique could be used to extrapolate potential unknown primes from > > known primes since it produces a much smaller list of potential candidates > > than simply testing consecutive odds via a sieve. It also is not as porous > > as Mersenne Prime tests. > > Bullshit. > > Your "technique" ASSUMES that you already know the "largest prime that > is smaller by at least 4". But you do. You have a list of known primes as I said originaly. Should have looked at the list of the first 1000 primes that was attached. If you don't want an array you could always impliment a Seive of Eratosthanese for example to generate them as required. This is an approach I'm looking at currently with a Perl implimentation. Hell, even if you start off with only 2 and 3 defined as prime you can generate the others, though it doesn't appear to be sufficient to prove primality. It does reduce the number of candidate odd numbers to examine for primality. Given [ 2, 3 ] and Goldbach's Extension: 6 = 2 + 2 + 2 p = 3, p = 3 8 = 2 + 2 + 4 p = 3, p = 5 We do a Seive of Eratosthanese and find 5 is prime so we now have: [ 2, 3, 5 ] 10 = 2 + 4 + 4 p = 5, p = 5 12 = 2 + 4 + 6 p = 5, p = 7 So we check 7 and find it's prime and we now have: [ 2, 3, 5, 7 ] And so on. The real advantage comes into play for very large primes since they get more sparse implying that a strictly direct approach (eg applying a Seive to every odd number) gets more and more non-primes to sift through. This technique reduces that set considerably because it gives you a known list of primes that you look through for existance. > > 2+(largest_known_prime-1)+(next_smallest_unknown_prime-1)=big_even_number > > > > So, we need a way of guestimating the magnitude of the next prime and pick > > big_even_numbers that are appropriate. > > > > Observation: For a given x the number of primes <x is limited by x/ln(x). > > So we could note the points where x/ln(x) increases by 1. > > > > Your observation is incorrect. > > Consider x = 8. x/ln(x) =~ 3.84, but the number of primes < 8 (2,3,5,7) is > 4, that is more than 8/ln(8). I'd say round up the 3.84. This is modulo math so fractions like this are impossible to deal with in this context because they aren't defined. The normal process is that if a fraction is produced it rounds up to the next larger integer (re the Camel & Banana problem). It's not my observation. If you go and look on The Primes webpage or any number theory book that covers limits on primes then you will find this asymptote given as the most commenly used. > I suggest checking observations more carefully. I did, you should check your conclusions more carefuly before you jump into something. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Limit on number of primes....a (silly) typo...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Just to let you know, I had typed x/ln(x) as the asymptotic limit for the number of primes less than x. This is incorrect. It should be, x/log(x) I guess I did it by habit. Sorry. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Cypherpunks with guns
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/16433.html A group of San Francisco Bay Area cypherpunks recently spent hundreds of dollars per person on "defensive handgun" and "practical rifle" courses at the Front Sight firearms training institute in Aptos, California.

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:-)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:39:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: qnx.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Cc: bostic(a)bostic.com Subject: Is there any Substance to this Email ?? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:43:51 -0500 From: glen mccready <glen(a)qnx.com> Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org X-Mailing-List: <0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org> archive/latest/274 X-Loop: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Status: U Forwarded-by: Chris Wedgwood <chris(a)cybernet.co.nz> From: tph(a)longhorn.uucp (Tom Harrington) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Win 98 Snitch? Message-ID: <7279b8$ahr1(a)eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> Mark Statzer (mstatz(a)net66.om) wrote: : Microsoft slapped two more lawsuit against one teenager and one : retired worker for using pirated Windows 98 software. : For your information on how Microsoft actually trace : PIRATED/COPIED/UNLICENSED Windows 98: : Whenever you logon into the Internet, during the verifying password : duration. Your ISP (Internet Service provider eg:SingNET, PacNET, : CyberNET, SwiftNET) will download a SUB-REGISTRY ENCRYPTED HEXADECIMAL : (containing all your PROGRAMS serial numbers installed into Win98!!) : file from your Windows 98 registry. Then they send this SUB-REGISTRY : to Microsoft for verification. And ONLY Microsoft knows how to decode : this encrypted hexadecimal file. If Microsoft verified that the serial : numbers are authentic, then they WILL REGISTER THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU : A-U-T-O-M-A-T-C-A-L-L-Y !!! : And if Microsoft denied those serial numbers, then they will send an : E-Mail to the ISP you dialed into and your ISP will start tracing : everyone who logons to their systems. That's why during sometime for : no reason your Internet started slowing down. And if your ISP verified : that the SUB-REGISTRY ENCRYPTED HEXADECIMAL file is yours, they will : send : your information over to Microsoft Singapore. And there they will : decide whether to take actions or not. And then, if they _do_ decide to take action, black helicopters start circling your house, using mind-control rays to bend you to Microsoft's will. If this doesn't cut it (say, you're wearing a tin-foil hat), the men in black show up and remove your whole computer, and then use their memory-zapping thingy to erase any memory of ever having a computer. You'll then be officially branded as a dangerous outlaw subversive type (even though you no longer have your PIRATE/COPIED/UNLICENSED software, you've demonstrated that you're the type of person who will _get_ such software) and will not be able to get jobs, insurance, loans, etc. MS will tap your phone, and their agents will follow your every move. : There is already 54 cases in Singapore regarding uses of : PIRATE/COPIED/UNLICENSED Windows 98. Finally, when the revolution comes, MS will see to it that your house is high on the list of sites for the UN invaders to hit with tactical nukes. : Is there any Substance to this Email ?? It's all true. I had to go public with this information, even though the MS stormtroopers will doubtless show up at any second now. The people have a right to know. DON'T EVER GO ON LINE!!! YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT!!!! : Do you Guys think that there exists such a registry in Windows 98 : Has microsoft sued anybody for illegal use of it ?? Sued? SUED???!!? When MS gets through with you, you're going to WISH that they'd jusT SUED you! These people are EVIL!!! They kidnapped my dog and G$%<S-F4>@^<S-F6>RB. f NO CARRIER --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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open-pgp / s/mime interoperability
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On the IETF s/mime list Jon Callas (PGP/NAI employee and co-author of IETF open-pgp draft for cypherpunks not following open-pgp) wrote: : I'd like to note that PGP is supported by NAI, Microsoft, Novell, : and more that are coming soon. curious as to what form Microsoft support of PGP will come in. Integrated PGP support with microsoft mail clients in later versions? Jon also wrote: : there is no reason why you can't have PGP : messages backed by X.509 certificates, and it is trivial to use S/MIME : with OpenPGP certificates. I'm planning on writing a short : informational RFC on how to do it once we all get RFC numbers for our : respective systems. open-pgp public keys aren't based on X.509 keys, so I would've thought s/mime implementation would barf on them. Are you basing this on the fact that you can extract the actual public key and repackage it as an X.509 public key? In this way you could take the same key into the X.509 / s/mime world, but you would lose open-pgp sigantures on the key, so it would lose it's certification. More recently we've been hearing that PGP6.x? or a future version of PGP does or will allow one to carry along X.509 keys, or perhaps even work directly with X.509 keys. Is this what you are referring to? (Separate question: any due date on the netscape plugin -- I want one of those!) Adam (message from IETF s/mime list the above is quoted from below). ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:54:29 -0800 To: Stefan_Salzmann/HAM/Lotus(a)lotus.com, ietf-smime(a)imc.org From: Jon Callas <jon(a)pgp.com> Subject: Re: Difference between SMIME and PGP At 05:20 PM 11/4/98 +0100, Stefan_Salzmann/HAM/Lotus(a)lotus.com wrote: I am struggling on the difference between SMIME and PGP. One of my customers wants to make the decision between using SMIME and PGP. I have been talking already with them but we got stuck in detailes. Basically its quit clear. SMIME will be supported by all important industry leaders such as Netscape, Microsoft, Novell etc. I'd like to note that PGP is supported by NAI, Microsoft, Novell, and more that are coming soon. Further SMIME supports the hierarchical trust model and PGP only supports the "web of trust" model. Actually, this is false. PGP supports all trust models, direct trust, hierarchical trust, and web of trust. As I said in my previous message, PGP supports 255 levels of hierarchy. However, I forgot to say that OpenPGP does not mandate *any* trust model. As a matter of fact, the OpenPGP working group has rejected any mandate of trust model. You are permitted to use an OpenPGP certificate with PKIX evaluation rules, and still be OpenPGP compliant! Now with PGP Version 6.0, PGP will support also X.509 certificates. Those can also be loaded into an PGP client than an SMIME Client can do it. So where is the difference now? Is it just the fact that the industry decided to go with SMIME or are there more differences (advantages for SMIME) when looking more closely. Actually, the industry hasn't decided to go with anything. Furthermore, there is no reason why you can't have PGP messages backed by X.509 certificates, and it is trivial to use S/MIME with OpenPGP certificates. I'm planning on writing a short informational RFC on how to do it once we all get RFC numbers for our respective systems. For instance using RSA public key encryption versus Deffie Helman public key encryption. How about Digital Signature Standard (DSS)? I have red about DSS and understand that DSS is the standard that provides the Digital Signature Algorithm. Before applying it there has to be calculated an Digest using SHA. I always thought that calculating the digest would be the signature already!! So why using the DSA in addition? Will the digest be decrypted using the Deffie Helman private key? The issue of algorithm is orthogonal to message encoding. The PGP-S/MIME question is really one of message encoding format. Each requires DSS, and allows RSA. The DSS (Digital Signature Standard) describes how to make a signature using DSA (Digital Signature Algorithm) and SHA1 (Secure Hash Algorithm). That's how they relate. You could (for example) use DSA with RIPEMD-160, but it wouldn't be DSS because DSS specifies the hash algorithm you should be using for the signature. DSA is a signature-only algorithm. Consequently, you aren't doing a "decryption" with it when you evaluate a signature. I recommend you look in a crypto source book, like Schneier's "Applied Cryptography" or Menezes, van Oorschot, and Vanstone's "Handbook of Applied Cryptography" for details of how DSS is done. There is also source code available from a wide variety of places. Users that apply Deffie Helman exchange their public values in order to derive an secret key that will be known at both party sides. Is that secret key the private key used to encrypt message digests or is the private key generated by the DSA algorithm? Like I said, DSS has its own signature-only key. As for "Diffie-Hellman" depending on the variant of DH you're using, you may or may not have an actual key. Many real-time systems use ephemeral DH merely to exchange symmetric keys. In OpenPGP, we use the Elgamal system for encryption. S/MIME is using an X9.42 algorithm that is very close (if not identical) to Elgamal. In PGP further exist key rings that contain the public keys of other users? How does that work with X.509 Certificates that actually contain the public key. If there has to be a public key revoked, it happens in the key ring. Would it be possible to export that revoked certificate. If not the revoked public key would resist only lokally. Most systems, be they PGP or X.509, use something akin to a directory to store certs, revocations, etc. Typically, these are HTTP or LDAP based systems. Are there any differences/advantages between RSA and Deffie Helman? Again, this is orthoganal to encoding, as these are merely algorithms. But yes, of course. The security of RSA is based upon the difficulty of factoring large numbers. Most people who toss around the term "Diffie-Hellman" use it to cover an entire family of algorithms whose security is all based on the difficulty of solving discrete logs. These include DSA, X9.42, Schnorr, and Elgamal. They are all approximately of the same strength. There are also a wide variety of advantages and disadvantages. Frequently, these are the same. For example, in RSA encryption and signatures are the same, which is simple, but leads to some hygenic problems. A signature-only system like DSA is less flexible, but easier to export, and enforces good key hygene (meaning that it is bad practice to use the same key for signatures as for encryption). I could go on with a discussion of all this, but this thread is already off-topic for this mailing list. Feel free to mail me privately or phone. You see I am very confused right now and I have the feeling that all my security theories wounŽt match with those used in PGP. There are many good reasons for being confused. One of the most important ones is that there really aren't a lot of differences between the systems. They are all trying to solve the same problem, but each has a slightly different slant to it. I really would appreciate it if there would be someone helping my to remove all that dust of my mind... Thank you in advance You're welcome. Jon ----- Jon Callas jon(a)pgp.com CTO, Total Network Security 3965 Freedom Circle Network Associates, Inc. Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 346-5860 Fingerprints: D1EC 3C51 FCB1 67F8 4345 4A04 7DF9 C2E6 F129 27A9 (DSS) 665B 797F 37D1 C240 53AC 6D87 3A60 4628 (RSA)

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Re: Limit on number of primes....a (stupid) idiot...
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate is so stupid that even when he accidentally gets something right, he quickly "corrects" himself so that he is wrong again: > I had typed x/ln(x) as the asymptotic limit for the number of primes less > than x. > > This is incorrect. It should be, > > x/log(x) Wrong, doofus. x/ln(x) is the correct asymptotic limit. What role could logs to the base 10 possibly play? Do you think God favors the number 10? What a fool you are!

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Re: Netscape AOL Instant Messenger Confirmation (kB3bEjeb1I aohelsux)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This does wonders for my opinion of AOL. Even the administration has no clue. AOL administration spammed the Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> list, using an address for Cypherpunks which has been defunct for over a year now, with: >Thank you for registering for Netscape AOL Instant Messenger! > >Your registration for screen name aohelsux has been received. > >Please reply to this message within 48 hours to complete >the registration process. Simply reply to the present message >and type 'OK' as the text of your message. P.S. "Well they just responded to an address someone gave them," like certain advocates of AOL, lamers, and Microsoft we have on the list have said, is not an excuse. It's easy to set up domain validation. The spammers just don't care.

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