December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:52:18 +0200 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > "Anything not Permitted, is Forbidden." ARTICLE IX. The enumeration of the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: so, what did Toto *do*, exactly to get locked up? (Re: rules of en (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:40:02 +0200 (CEST) > From: DOOM Anonymous Untraceable User <nobody(a)seclab.com> > Subject: Re: so, what did Toto *do*, exactly to get locked up? (Re: rules of en > We also have people who *have* kept their noses clean being harassed. It's an > excuse to put some pressure on CDRs. It even had the effect of shaking loose > a lot of the Austin cypherpunks in a nice little divide and conquer action. That's not exactly correct. The Austin Cypherpunks have always had a problem with cohesion. There were issues that were leading me toward dropping my personal support because of lack of committment from other parties in the Austin Cypherpunks. This certainly hastened the event, it did not cause it. We were already divided in our goals and interest and unable to agree on agenda or purpose. We, as a group, couldn't even decide to spend the few dollars to put the 3-line RSA in the local paper. The last effective action we took was the speaking engagement at the last RoboFest here in Austin 3 years ago. That sort of "I want to participate, but won't do anything" attitude raises the hackles on my neck. Life is way too short to be wasting major effort on a lost cause. There wasn't much to divide and the spoils going to the conquerer are/were nil. > And it's likely they have subpoenaed more people than we've heard from. > I just hope they don't subpoena Bill Payne, or we'll receive a copy of it > every week for years to come. Yep, with those silly/strange capitalizations and sentence structures of his which look suspicously like some form of stego. You'd think somebody who claims to be that educated would have at least learned basic grammer (unless it was intentional). > The John Gilmore subpoena was focussed exclusively on cypherpunk email. > Jim Choate confirmed his is much the same. Other than dates and signatures it's identical. The focus was on any archives that I kept of cpunks or personal traffic (part c) that involved CJ in my interview. > So the focus is on what we've > all seen posted here. Personally, I found them a lot milder than Reeza!'s > projection of his suicide fantasies, for instance. I would also agree that the Cypherpunks have garnered a notoriety with LEA's such that it could/should be taken as a given that continous surviellance is occurring. Random dumpster diving in our trash, etc. should not be unexpected. This does raise an interesting point about freedom of speech and the duties of LEA's. In a democratic society what are the ethical implications of LEA's archiving publicly available documents as a matter of course, not for inclusion in ongoing investigations but rather as a base for future investigations. In addition, while the remailer operators do seem to be protected by ECPA (I was advised that I fell into this category via SSZ) what about the public archive operators? Are they covered under this umbrella? ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Child-Molesting Forger's Chilling Confession!!!1!
by bob＠derwentside.org.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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IP: [FP] Money withheld for national ID cards
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com From: "ScanThisNews" <mcdonalds(a)airnet.net> To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: [FP] Money withheld for national ID cards Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 20:34:02 -0500 Sender: owner-ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: list Reply-To: "ScanThisNews" <mcdonalds(a)airnet.net> SCAN THIS NEWS FRIDAY OCTOBER 23, 1998 Money withheld for national ID cards Spending bill provides moratorium on implementation http://www.worldnetdaily.com/exclusiv/981023_money_withheld_nat.shtml Copyright 1998, WorldNetDaily.com http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ By David M. Bresnahan david(a)talkusa.com The recently passed Omnibus Appropriations Bill included funding for $520 billion of spending, but it purposely excluded funds for the national ID card or the medical ID program. A review of the bill, which had over 4,000 pages and is 16 inches thick, revealed that the opponents of the effort to make state driver's licences into a national ID card succeeded in getting a moratorium on the implementation of the law enacted in 1996 by Congress. Both the national ID and the medical ID have already been made law. The moratorium delays implementation from occurring on schedule while repeal legislation is debated by Congress. The national ID became law in 1996 and will go in effect October 1, 2000, unless Congress repeals Section 656 (b) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. If the law is not changed, every state must meet certain unfunded federal mandates requiring the use of Social Security numbers, fingerprints, DNA, retina scans, and other "biometric" identifying information on all driver's licences. Another federal mandate is the medical ID, which will be a new unique number for every American intended to keep a detailed medical history in a government computer. It will be implemented unless Congress acts to repeal Section 1173 (b) of the Social Security Act. The moratorium was first included in a transportation appropriations bill, but Rep. Lamar Smith, R-TX, convinced Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-GA, to remove it before passage, according to House Transportation Committee sources. Rep. Frank Wolf, R-VA, chairman of the House Appropriations Transportation Subcommittee included the ban in the omnibus bill, according to a committee staff member. However, Smith was reported to be pushing to have that removed as well. Those efforts failed, largely because of thousands of calls placed to Gingrich's office by the public, according to congressional staffers who preferred not to be identified. Patrick Poole of the "Free Congress Foundation," a non-partisan group, sent thousands of e-mails to supporters who then called Gingrich to encourage him to keep the moratorium despite the efforts of Smith. WorldNetDaily.com reported Monday that Smith was trying to remove the ban. "Many of the callers either faxed copies of stories from WorldNetDaily, or they mentioned it when they called," the source said. "There was no way the speaker could support Smith's efforts with that kind of public awareness." The actual language found in the Omnibus Bill states: "National Identifiers: "None of the funds appropriated by this Act may be used to issue a final standard under docket No. NHTSA 98-3945 (relating to section 656(b) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Responsibility Act of 1996). "National Health Identifiers: None of the funds made available in this Act may be used to promulgate or adopt any final standard under section 1173(b) of the Social Security Act (42 USC 1320-d-2(b)) providing for, or providing for the assignment of, a unique health identifier for an individual (except in an individual's capacity as an employer or a health care provider), until legislation is enacted specifically approving the standard." The moratorium, now in place, will provide needed time for opponents to draft legislation to repeal both the National ID and the Medical ID. The process is expected to bring major debate over the issue. Smith and others have used illegal immigration problems as their primary justification for the need to give every American both identifying numbers. House Majority Leader Dick Armey, R-TX, Rep. Ron Paul, R-TX, and Rep. Bob Barr, R-GA, are reported to be planning repeal legislation next year. None of their offices were able to be reached for comment on the success of the moratorium in the Omnibus Bill. It had been reported previously that all three had urged Gingrich to allow the moratorium to stand. Responsibility for the design and implementation of the cards has been given to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration of the Department of Transportation. That agency has recently published the proposed "Driver's License/SSN/National Identification Document," which contains the guidelines which must be in force by Oct. 1, 2000. The "Notice of Proposed Rule Making" sets out the standards for each state to follow in the design of "identification documents." The DOT solicited public comments on their plans for implementation of Section 656 (b) of the act earlier this year. The public comment period has just closed and many thousands of letters in opposition were received, according to a spokesman. Five states also expressed opposition to the plan, and only a "small number" of letters supporting the plan were known to the spokesman, who spoke on condition that his name would not be published. The American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators also wrote to the DOT and recommended repeal of the law, even though they had once been in favor of such legislation. "Over the past 10 years, the AAMVA has vigorously pushed Congress and the various state motor vehicle directors to implement policies to require the submission of social security numbers as a condition for issuance of driver's licenses. This resounding defeat may spell the end of their ill-fated quest," said Scott McDonald, a grass-roots activist who operates the "Fight the Fingerprint" website. He is able to mobilize thousands of activists on a national basis using his e-mail notification system. "There is no satisfactory condition under which Social Security Numbers may be required as a condition for travel," said McDonald. "The victory's definitely not yet won. During these lull periods there's an opportunity for proponents of these issues to let opposition die down and all of a sudden, pop, it goes through without anyone even aware of it. "I don't see how the Department of Transportation could go forth with implementing the regulation with all that strong opposition to it. Even five states wrote letters of strong opposition to requiring Social Security numbers," said McDonald. Although he was in favor of the moratorium, McDonald expressed concerns about the difficulty in getting complete repeal of the law. He said many activists may now regard the issue as being resolved, when the toughest part of the battle is still ahead. "For a year we're safe," said Lisa Dean of the Coalition for Constitutional Liberties, another organization that has been actively campaigning against the provisions of Section 656 (b). She agreed that the toughest part of her organization's challenge is in front of her. Now that a moratorium is in place for a year, Dean expects repeal efforts will also include finding alternative ways to resolve the concerns about illegal immigrants, although no recommendations are in place as yet. ======================================================================= Don't believe anything you read on the Net unless: 1) you can confirm it with another source, and/or 2) it is consistent with what you already know to be true. ======================================================================= Reply to: <fingerprint(a)networkusa.org> ======================================================================= To subscribe to the free Scan This News newsletter, send a message to <majordomo(a)efga.org> and type "subscribe scan" in the BODY. Or, to be removed type "unsubscribe scan" in the message BODY. 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Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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test4
by Igor Chudov 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

test4

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RE: Postcard Debates
by Wilson, Jamie (J.R.) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If everyone just encrypted their messages then no suspicions would be raised regarding the use of encryption. Most people use envelopes, plain and simple -- and as a result no one questions what they are hiding. It's understood that mail is private and therefore people have a right to seal it in an envelope and not worry about people tampering with it. On the same note, there are federal regulations and penalties (in the U.S. anyway) for tampering with mail and interrupting the delivery of it. The same laws should apply to email. ____________________________________________________ Jamie R. Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Robert Wenzler [mailto:rwenzler@usachoice.com] Sent: Thursday, 10 December, 1998 13:56 To: Mbishop645(a)aol.com Cc: maven(a)weirdness.com; hab(a)gamegirlz.com; Cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Mbishop645(a)aol.com wrote: > > >HaB wrote: > ><snip> > >> That's a good place to begin, though. "Would you send a letter to > >> someone without an envelope?" "Then why not put your email in the > >> electronic equivalent of one?" > >> > >> balance. > > > >Would I send a letter to someone without an envelope? > >One word: postcard. > > Ahh, but would you tape a check for your phone bill to a postcard? Other > than writing a greeting to someone what else do you use a postcard for? No, I would not tape a phone bill check to a postcard. There is the chance for it to fall off. There is different methods of sending mail for different levels of security and functionality. Some people make it obvious what is inside an envelope. (who would not recognize a Christmas card from the envelope?) Others make it as bland and normal as possible to have it go by without much notice. It all depends on how secure you want it. Some things you can do with what amounts to postcard security. What amount of security do you want for your email? Would you be willing to do something extra for that security? This type of question is up to each person. How much risk is the person willing to take. Each person has the responsibility to understand what the risks are and to decide what risks they are willing to take.

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Re: alternative b-money creation
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have to agree with Bill here. It's kind of hard to call something "money" if you can't exchange it for other things which also call themselves "money". ;-). Cheers, Robert Hettinga ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Test
by Mok-Kong Shen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

please ignore this.

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SSZ had ISDN problems this AM...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Because of the weather change here there was an outage of ISDN connectivity at my ISP. It seems to be back now. No idea if it will return in the next day or so. ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: alternative b-money creation
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart writes, regarding Wei Dai's b-money protocol: > It still doesn't solve the fundamental problem with the b-money idea, > which is that there's no reason anybody should want to accept it, > any more than they should want to accept dead-president fiat paper money. > It fixes some symptoms of fiat money, but not the fundamental problem, > because it's still fiat money, just with mathematically interesting > artwork printed on the front. B-money is not fiat money. It is better to think of it as commodity money. Unlike most commodity money, in this case the commodity is not intrinsically valuable. However it is scarce, and more can be created only at a considerable cost. An analogy might be money based on a rare earth element like Terbium (which, let's suppose, has no industrial uses). Terbium based money would be immune to inflation, like gold backed money, but the element is not valuable in itself; it is only valuable for its role as money. This leads to an important difference between b-money and fiat money. The value of b-money is not set by fiat. The value is determined automatically by the workings of the market and the workings of the protocol. There is no centralized agency to make b-money legal tender, or to set its value in terms of other currencies. Most importantly, there is no agency which can issue new b-money, inflating and devaluing the currency. Money is a store of value and a medium of exchange. B-money is admirably suited for these purposes, much better than fiat money. The quantity of b-money in a mature system is, roughly speaking, constant. (The quantity may grow, but it will do so slowly, based on the increased demand for b-money.) B-money is an investment which will hold its value. Because it can be exchanged electronically, it is much more flexible as a medium of exchange than existing forms of money. > One of the big problems with fiat money is that someone who > can get other people to trade it for real goods has an > incentive to print lots of it and acquire a very large share > of the real goods in the economy, leaving the rest of the people > with unredeemable artwork and only able to get their share > of goods by giving the fiatmeister labor or other real goods. > > Wei Dai's b-money proposals reduce the incentive to create > lots of b-money by requiring the creator to burn lots of > valuable CPU time to create the mathematical artwork on the notes, Think of this CPU-burning as the effort to mint or mine new b-money. Like other commodity based money, and unlike fiat money, b-money cannot be printed. New b-money can only be added to the money supply by virtue of expending work. This is what insures that there is no inflation. > In some ways, it's even _worse_ than traditional fiat money, > because creating it uses up CPU time that could otherwise be > calculating things that have value for the rest of the economy, > like optimizing airline routes or circuit-board designs, > or less valuable cool things like rendering bug pictures for movies > or calculating the next Mersenne prime or cracking MongoBank's keys, > or, well, drawing space-war pictures real fast on your Nintendo. You could say the same thing about gold mining, in the days when gold was money. Most gold went into circulation as coins, not adding beauty or value to the economy. Its only utility was as an increase in the money supply. But, of course, adding to the money supply is an important contribution. To have a stable commodity money, it must be costly to create more, and the cost must be "wasteful" in the sense that it is not compensated other than by the monetary value of the newly produced money. Otherwise you will get excessive inflation. It's ironic for people to complain that b-money is inferior, in a world in which fiat money is universal. Once the mathematics of b-money are better established and understood, and once the technical issues are clarified and problems solved, this appears to be a very attractive alternative to fiat money. Unlike commodities such as gold, it can be easily exchanged electronically. And unlike fiat money, it is immune to attempts to manipulate the money supply. B-money could easily attract investment as an inflation-proof store of value. This may be enough to initiate the bootstrapping process. People can buy b-money as a store of value, and once they hold it they will want to be able to spend it. This will lead to a demand for merchants to accept it, and the process has begun.

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Bruce Taylor ed -Reply
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:44:05 -0500 Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> From: Dan L Burk <BURKDANL(a)SHU.EDU> Subject: Bruce Taylor ed -Reply To: CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM >>> Filtering Facts <burt(a)NORTHWEST.COM> 12/10/98 07:58pm >>> >How is it that you guys all missed the ed. by Bruce Taylor in USA Today >last week? Especially since it contained a plug for me. ;-> Sorry, I probably filtered it out. I've had "Bruce Taylor" in my mental bozofilter ever since he used to work for Charles Keating. The only thing that's changed since then is that (so far as I know) Bruce no longer relies on pilfered S&L funds for his crusades. Now how's that for a filtering fact? ---------------------------- Dan L. Burk Seton Hall University burkdanl(a)shu.edu ---------------------------- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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angel 0.5 released
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My website (software page) should have angel 0.5 on it at around midnight (GMT). This is a mail transfer agent intended to operate well with remailers. Progress since the last release is taking the DH key authentication to a different program so that the RSA secion when added will not be in the main server (angeld). RSA authentication of the DH key is still to be added. -- ############################################################## # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ##############################################################

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2nd reposting of a response to Jim Choate (on crypto archives)
by Mok-Kong Shen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Note: There was some technical problem since yesterday to cypherpunks postings, so that my posts to the list didn't result in copies back to me. This morning I reposted these, again without success. An hour ago Igor Chudov informed me that the problem was solved and I have just verified this with a test message. I am therefore reposting once again one of my posts of yesterday here. It is a response to Jim Choate. Please ignore it if you have already seen it. Jim Choate wrote: > > > From: Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen(a)stud.uni-muenchen.de> > > > We were talking about a site that has to be closed because of (new) > > crypto laws, not technically down which is seldom with modern hardware. > > And also you said that money is no problem! > > You need to go back and re-read what prompted this. Your responce is > completely out of context. > > > Why you care so much about people who voluteer to run sites? They > > certainly know what kind of risks that they probably face, financial > > or otherwise. Do you care your neighbour who opens up a new company > > and do you feel unconditionally have to give him advices?? Are you > > the one who is cleverer than all the others? > > It depends, do I shop there? > > I'm done with this discussion. You want to expect people to put their neck > on the line and you use their services while owning them nothing then wonder > why nobody does it, so be it. Let me ask you some clear questions and please give me also clear answers: If there is some person who is grown up and is not metally ill and who decides to volunteer to put up an archive site of crypto software for the benefit of those who need them, what do you have against that? Any reasonable person who plans to do some business (for profit) certainly well considers the possible risks he might have. For non-profit activities like what we are discussing it is clear that one is much more careful before launching the work. Why do you want to disuade him from doing that? If he fails, that's his fate but you don't loose a cent because of that. If he puts up a site and that has to be closed down after a couple of months because of unforeseen new crypto laws, you at least profit in that short time period of the possibility of downloading from his site and other people also profit from that. If his country has poor economy (inflation, unemployment etc. leading possibly to early depletion of his monetary resources) or bad infrastucture (total breakdown of telecommunication of his country, rendering his site no longer operable) or religion (because he is physically injured by religious fanatics and therefore unable to work), or whatever other reasons than these three that you mentioned, that's all HIS business not YOURS. He, being in his own country, should know all such risks much much better than you! Be happy that because of him you have one more possibilty of obtaining your desired software (during the time his site is operational)! If he ever gets into trouble, it will be fine of you if you will try to help him, through raising funds etc. But you are not obliged to do that. So I don't understand the motivation of your arguing up till now. I would be able to understand if you were working in an authority attempting to strengthen the effects of crypto laws, thus wishing to have as few archive sites in the world as possible, at best none. (Of course, I know absolutely nothing of you. Should I happen to have made here a wrong assumption about your occupation, then I like to offer my sincere apology.) M. K. Shen

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2nd reposting of a response to Enzo Michelangeli (on crypto archives)
by Mok-Kong Shen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Note: There was some technical problem since yesterday to cypherpunks postings, so that my posts to the list didn't result in copies back to me. This morning I reposted these, again without success. An hour ago Igor Chudov informed me that the problem was solved and I have just verified this with a test message. I am therefore reposting once again one of my posts of yesterday here (not exactly identical to the original, being reconstructed from memory). It is a response to Enzo Michelangeli. Please ignore it if you have already seen it. Enzo Michelangeli wrote: > It would be helpful if the list included the approximate size in Mb of each > archive. I'm making arrangements for some mirrors here in Hong Kong, and I > need an estimate of the space needed. I don't know. But a number of years ago I accessed some archive sites of software for processing of Asian languages. From that and the fact that modern disks have become much bigger in capacity and cheaper, I suppose that storage shouldn't be a bottleneck. I like to take the opportunity to mention a non-trivial issue that happens to have refreshed my attention by a reader's letter in a computer journal, namely that software at public archives could be infected by virus. I suppose one should give this potential risk some consideration, since in the present context there could be some third party particularly interested in disrupting the goals of crypto archives. Another point I like to raise is what to archive, i.e. whether only program texts (which are small) or also executable files, and how to let the archive contents be up-to-date. Related to this is whether the archive owner has to fetch everything himself or there is also a directory for uploading by contributors (this is the case with the archives I mentioned above and is sensible for new software and for updates.) M. K. Shen

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Mornington Crescent Explained (was RE: Global Strike to protest Wassenaar)
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Ben[SMTP:ben@edelweb.fr] wrote, in reply to me replying to Richard Bragg: > >> > Ever played Mornington Crescent? Try the same thing with >> > e-mail. The idea is that only those in the game know "the rules". >> > These rules can change at any time in any way and all >> > "real players" can tell about the new "rules" and adjust accordingly. >> >> showing of course that he either doesn't know the *real* rules of >> Mornington Crescent or else (more likely) doesn't want to reveal them! Oh, >> and this posting quite clearly wins this round - even with the new DLR >> extensions and the Elverson Road footbridge:-) >Ok Ken--you didn't get 'Soccer Moms', now us Yanks don't get 'Mornington >Crescent'. You want to explain to the list? Well, you *did* ask. Don't blame me. It is summed up well at: http://vortex.hawo.stw.uni-erlangen.de/~asheiduk/pgg/06S/06S008.html or, more prosaically, at: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/6270/ed_morning.htm Straight from the horse's mouth: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_79000/79273.stm A transcript of an actual game can be found at: http://www.lazarus.demon.co.uk/mc/mc100.html - he also has many other links at: http://www.lazarus.demon.co.uk/mc/mc.html The Encyclopaedia Morningtonia has more detail than anyone in their right brain would want to know about the game at: http://aurora.york.ac.uk/mc_em.html Here are the rules of a slightly different game that Richard may have been thinking of: http://members.xoom.com/mornomic/ruleset.html and http://www.cms.dmu.ac.uk/~c94kd/mornomic/ruleset.txt Ken

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Linux Encrypted File Sytem
by Mike Gorsuch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey guys, I'm hoping that you guys can point me in the right direction. I have become very interested in the idea of an encrypted file system, rather than encrypting individual files. I read an article in the Linux Journal that talked about how to give Linux the support. Well, first I had to get the source for an older kernel, 2.0.30, and use the patches. It patched and compiled fine. Next I was supposed to patch mount. The problem I am facing is that the mount source will not take the patch right. If anyone can help me on these two issues I would be very happy: 1) What source version of mount do I need to use? 2) Is there a way to get kernel 2.0.35 or later to use this support? Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Darkest Hour is Always Just Before Dawn..." Mike Gorsuch aka Wulfgang ICQ UIN 670820 email: mikeg(a)soonernet.com Web Page: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/6071 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Thank you for downloading DropStuff
by Aladdin Customer Service 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: Postcard Debates
by Joel O'Connor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Deep. . .mad deep. I completely agree, does anyone know of any such laws regarding e-mail? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2 iQA/AwUBNnFaV1MQ9C083U98EQIkFwCcDqbpZqgR0wehfhGufe8Rqzr8ZKcAoNH8 xVqePuZTtRuBALc2NSfiM3BS =kkN5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---"Wilson, Jamie (J.R.)" <jwilso37(a)visteonet.com> wrote: > > If everyone just encrypted their messages then no suspicions would be raised > regarding the use of encryption. Most people use envelopes, plain and > simple -- and as a result no one questions what they are hiding. It's > understood that mail is private and therefore people have a right to seal it > in an envelope and not worry about people tampering with it. On the same > note, there are federal regulations and penalties (in the U.S. anyway) for > tampering with mail and interrupting the delivery of it. The same laws > should apply to email. > > ____________________________________________________ > Jamie R. Wilson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Wenzler [mailto:rwenzler@usachoice.com] > Sent: Thursday, 10 December, 1998 13:56 > To: Mbishop645(a)aol.com > Cc: maven(a)weirdness.com; hab(a)gamegirlz.com; Cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: > > > > > Mbishop645(a)aol.com wrote: > > > > >HaB wrote: > > ><snip> > > >> That's a good place to begin, though. "Would you send a letter to > > >> someone without an envelope?" "Then why not put your email in the > > >> electronic equivalent of one?" > > >> > > >> balance. > > > > > >Would I send a letter to someone without an envelope? > > >One word: postcard. > > > > Ahh, but would you tape a check for your phone bill to a postcard? Other > > than writing a greeting to someone what else do you use a postcard for? > > No, I would not tape a phone bill check to a postcard. There is the > chance for it to fall off. > > There is different methods of sending mail for different levels of > security and functionality. Some people make it obvious what is inside > an envelope. (who would not recognize a Christmas card from the > envelope?) Others make it as bland and normal as possible to > have it go by without much notice. > > It all depends on how secure you want it. Some things you can do > with what amounts to postcard security. > > What amount of security do you want for your email? Would you be > willing to do something extra for that security? > > This type of question is up to each person. How much risk is the > person willing to take. Each person has the responsibility to > understand what the risks are and to decide what risks they are > willing to take. > == Ogre bounces like sonar. . .Peace. Ogre _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: PGP Inc has gone to the dogs
by Reeza! 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cleaning out the dross, I found this. What was "broken" in pgp50? Reeza! At 10:16 AM 10/18/98 +0100, Adam Back wrote: > >PGP Inc has taken leave of it's sense. Masses of untrue claims on web >pages (take a look at examples below), no RSA support, no unix >versions (other than old broken pgp50).

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Re: German government press release on Wassenaar (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:50:04 +0100 > From: Alexander Kjeldaas <astor(a)guardian.no> > Subject: Re: German government press release on Wassenaar > I applied for an examination of the Open Source definition to the > department for foreign affairs in Norway. The response (no surprise) > was that Open Source is compliant with what the Wassenaar-agreement > calls "public domain" software. Actualy that is surprising since Open Sourse does not imply the loss of rights by the author as public domain does. If this is so and Germany interprets Open Source in this way then the OS movement will fail in Germany (at least). There will be no motive for authors to release their work since they will be in effect releasing all rights to it, not the goal of OS at all. The impact on this for closed source derivitive products is also of some interest. I wonder what RMS will have to say on that one... ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Hayek Quote of the Week
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rah(a)pop.sneaker.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:59:16 -0500 To: Digital Bearer Settlement List <dbs(a)philodox.com> From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Hayek Quote of the Week Sender: <dbs(a)philodox.com> Precedence: Bulk List-Subscribe: <mailto:requests@philodox.com?subject=subscribe%20dbs> X-Web-Archive: http://www.philodox.com/dbs-archive/ While we're at it... Cheers, Robert Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:19:31 EST Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Sender: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> From: Hayek-L List Host <HayekList(a)AOL.COM> Subject: Hayek Quote of the Week To: HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Hayek Quote of the Week " .. history is largely a history of inflation, and usually of inflations engineered by governments and for the gain of governments .. " F. A. Hayek, _Denationalisation of Money: The Argument Refined_ (third edition) London: Institute of Economic Affairs. 1990. p. 34 Hayek Quote of the Week is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. >> END << --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: alternative b-money creation
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:56 PM -0800 12/11/98, Wei Dai wrote: ... > >This argument is based on the misconception that people have no reason to >want to accept fiat money. But actually fiat money is valuable because it >performs a service for those who use it, namely the service of a medium of >exchange. It's value derives from the fact that there is positive demand >for a medium of exchange, and the fact that its supply is finite and >controlled by a sufficiently benevolent agency. > >Think about it this way. In the case of commodity money, its value comes >partly from the industrial/aesthetic value of the commodity and partly >from the usefulness of the commodity money as a medium of exchange. In the >case of fiat money and b-money, all of its value comes from its usefulness >as a medium of exchange. I believe _all_ forms of money, whether hard, fiat, whatever, come from the expectation that the money will be of the same value, more or less, in the future. Call it the "greater fool theory of money." All one cares about is that a greater fool will take the money. Whether the money is gold or funny bank notes or e-money, the Bayesian expectation of future value is what matters. Discounted appropriately for interest paid, etc. (Thus, one might be willing to be paid in gold coins or in E-Bay LEAPs, provided the terms were laid-out and could be calculated.) As always, reputation is critical. Repution = Belief = Expectation. --Tim May Y2K -- LMGALMAO -- Loading my guns and laughing my ass off ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 831-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments.

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Wassenaar Discussion...
by Missouri FreeNet Administration 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I thought the list might be interested to know that we have in fact had "more than a few" angry emails about being down on the 14th: hit-em where it hurts, and they *have* to listen, huh? For the most part, the response has been favorable, *after* they have been educated as to what is going on. These are the same people who, by and large, could care less about the average "political thing"... As I said before, I acknowledge that this "strike" takes out it's energy on those least responsible (directly, anyway), but it *does* seem to wake them up, since it directly involves them [now]... Anyone else having similar experiences? (I'm really curious about openpgp.net) Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org -- If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Postcard Debates
by Wilson, Jamie (J.R.) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Back to a previous question: how do we get the public to understand the concept of an "electronic envelope", the ACLU has created a PDF file that prints to a brochure format explaining encryption on a level that even the novice of users can understand. It is available at http://www.aclu.org/action/tools/crypto.pdf. ____________________________________________________ Jamie R. Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Joel O'Connor [mailto:ogrenivek@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 11 December, 1998 12:47 To: Wilson, Jamie (J.R.) Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: RE: Postcard Debates Deep. . .mad deep. I completely agree, does anyone know of any such laws regarding e-mail? ---"Wilson, Jamie (J.R.)" <jwilso37(a)visteonet.com> wrote: > > If everyone just encrypted their messages then no suspicions would be raised > regarding the use of encryption. Most people use envelopes, plain and > simple -- and as a result no one questions what they are hiding. It's > understood that mail is private and therefore people have a right to seal it > in an envelope and not worry about people tampering with it. On the same > note, there are federal regulations and penalties (in the U.S. anyway) for > tampering with mail and interrupting the delivery of it. The same laws > should apply to email. > > ____________________________________________________ > Jamie R. Wilson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Wenzler [mailto:rwenzler@usachoice.com] > Sent: Thursday, 10 December, 1998 13:56 > To: Mbishop645(a)aol.com > Cc: maven(a)weirdness.com; hab(a)gamegirlz.com; Cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: > > > > > Mbishop645(a)aol.com wrote: > > > > >HaB wrote: > > ><snip> > > >> That's a good place to begin, though. "Would you send a letter to > > >> someone without an envelope?" "Then why not put your email in the > > >> electronic equivalent of one?" > > >> > > >> balance. > > > > > >Would I send a letter to someone without an envelope? > > >One word: postcard. > > > > Ahh, but would you tape a check for your phone bill to a postcard? Other > > than writing a greeting to someone what else do you use a postcard for? > > No, I would not tape a phone bill check to a postcard. There is the > chance for it to fall off. > > There is different methods of sending mail for different levels of > security and functionality. Some people make it obvious what is inside > an envelope. (who would not recognize a Christmas card from the > envelope?) Others make it as bland and normal as possible to > have it go by without much notice. > > It all depends on how secure you want it. Some things you can do > with what amounts to postcard security. > > What amount of security do you want for your email? Would you be > willing to do something extra for that security? > > This type of question is up to each person. How much risk is the > person willing to take. Each person has the responsibility to > understand what the risks are and to decide what risks they are > willing to take. > == Ogre bounces like sonar. . .Peace. Ogre _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: Postcard Debates
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

postcard not private? nobody reads them? just this last week click and clack (you know, the car guys on NPR) received a $20 bill in the mail. no envelope - just a $20 bill with a stamp and their address written on the face. amazing but true. source: http://cartalk.cars.com/Radio/Show/RAfiles/9849/s07.ram - real audio required. EnvelopeMonger

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'Martial law' rushed for Y2K chaos
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

LOCAL Saturday 12 December 1998 'Martial law' rushed for Y2K chaos Report warns government to be ready to invoke federal Emergencies Act By David Pugliese The Ottawa Citizen The federal government should consider invoking the Emergencies Act, the successor to the War Measures Act, if the millennium bug causes widespread chaos, according to newly obtained government documents. The report, by the Year 2000 contingency planning group of Emergency Preparedness Canada, calls for orders and regulations for the Emergencies Act to be ready by the end of March. "In the worst case, we should consider the Emergencies Act a potential source of special powers," urge documents prepared by government in July and August and obtained by the Citizen under the Access to Information Act. "Among the activities that must be done to meet the problems resulting from Y2000 failures is development of relevant emergency orders and regulations required for the invocation of emergency provisions under the Emergencies Act." Federal departments are to identify what emergency orders would be needed in their areas of responsibility to deal with a countrywide disaster caused by the millennium bug. Those orders and regulations should have been in place in 1988 -- when the Emergencies Act was brought in to replace the War Measures Act -- but federal departments failed to develop them. While the lack of emergency orders and regulations among federal departments would not have prevented the Emergencies Act from being invoked, it would have meant that any federal response to a large-scale crisis would not have run smoothly. Defence Minister Art Eggleton, who is in charge of Emergency Preparedness Canada, will also be issued with a step-by-step guidebook on actions to be taken in a "major or catastrophic emergency" caused by the millennium bug, according to the report. That book will include all the documents needed and the names of provincial officials who should be consulted before the federal government invokes the Emergencies Act. The War Measures Act was last invoked by Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau on Oct. 16, 1970, to deal with the FLQ terrorist threat -- the first and only peacetime implementation of such sweeping powers. The Front de Liberation du Quebec had kidnapped British diplomat James Cross, who was later released, and Liberal cabinet minister Pierre Laporte, who was slain. During the crisis, Canadian troops were ordered to protect public figures, and 497 possible suspects were arbitrarily rounded up and arrested in an attempt to break the FLQ cell structure. Defence spokesman Maj. John Blakeley said the process now being put in place is simply part of prudent planning to deal with the millennium bug and does not automatically mean the Emergencies Act will be enacted. "The question of whether it will be required or not is one that will have to be determined at the time," Maj. Blakeley said. "Basically, this is saying, 'If it gets to that stage, is everything ready?' " Maj. Blakeley said all scenarios have to be considered, including the most unlikely one: widespread major problems caused by the millennium bug. He added that the Defence department is confident it will be ready to handle any emergencies associated with the computer glitch. But the Auditor General has continually warned that the federal government is lacking in its emergency response capabilities. Among the criticisms over the years: - In 1997, the Auditor General voiced concern that not enough was being done to deal with an emergency caused by a major oil or chemical spill; - In 1992, the Auditor General repeated warnings that the government had still not created an emergency program to deal with an earthquake. The Auditor General's office says those plans are still undeveloped. - In 1989, the Auditor General pointed out that the emergency orders and measures needed by federal departments for the Emergencies Act had not been mapped out. Nine years later, that remains the case. Jim Hanson, a defence analyst and retired Canadian Army brigadier general, said the Emergencies Act contains the same sweeping powers to deal with unrest and civil emergencies. But he said it is likely such measures are intended more to give powers to civilian agencies, such as police forces, in case there are problems from the millennium bug. "It wouldn't take much under the existing National Defence Act or the 'aid to civil powers' provisions to put military personnel on the streets." Some computer analysts believe the millennium bug, also known as the Year 2000 or Y2K problem, will cause only minor disruptions. But others predict it will trigger widespread disruptions in computers that control everything from hydro and financial systems to air-traffic control. The problem centres on the fact that the internal counters of computers will read the year 2000 simply as 00. That could cause them to crash as they misread the 00 for the year 1900. Several months ago the Canadian Forces were told to prepare for the biggest peacetime deployment of troops ever in case computer failures caused by the Year 2000 problem disrupted key services. The plan, dubbed Operation Abacus, also involves the development of rules governing the use of force by soldiers in case they are called upon to assist police in dealing with emergency incidents. The reports obtained by the Citizen predict the first wave of computer failures could hit Canada on Sept. 9, 1999, because systems might have problems handling that date sequence, which is 9-9-99. The Defence department will activate a national co-ordination centre to handle emergency response to the millennium bug the day before that date, according to the documents. As part of its preparations, the national co-ordination centre will also run several exercises to test military readiness. In April, federal and provincial agencies in Quebec and Ontario will conduct a three-day training scenario involving a nuclear emergency -- a major test and evaluation of how the federal government and provinces can respond to a large-scale emergency that might result from the millennium bug, according to the Access documents. In the reports, military officials also raise concern that their ability to help out if the millennium bug causes widespread problems relies heavily on Canada's electrical, transportation, food and water and sewage systems having their own Year 2000 problems under control: "The ability of the (Canadian Forces) to provide civil assistance is highly dependent on the state of preparedness of these infrastructure items since the CF, like everyone else, is highly dependent on smooth delivery of these supplies and services," the documents state. "Without aggressive action in these industrial and service sectors, the (Canadian Forces) may not be able to make a significant impact across the nation as a force of last resort." Military officials point out that more than 16,000 troops were needed to deal with the effects of the ice storm that hit Ontario and Quebec this year. But the millennium bug, the report states, "has the potential of creating a demand orders of magnitude greater than this, which are well beyond the CF's capability to respond." Defence officials called for "aggressive and preventive actions" now to reduce the Year 2000 risk to a more manageable level. The military will have about 32,000 of its personnel dedicated to Operation Abacus, with thousands more available if needed. In November, the Commons Public Accounts committee questioned whether the Canadian Forces would be able to deal with countrywide problems that might be caused by the millennium bug. But several weeks later, a report by Auditor General Denis Desautels found that the critical systems the Defence department needs should computer foul-ups create civil chaos are largely ready. These included systems that support the movement of troops and supplies and handling of communications. Copyright 1998 Ottawa Citizen

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Question About "C" programming
by GregShow2＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could you please send me more information on this language.

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Re: German government press release on Wassenaar (fwd)
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think the key idea which allows Open Source to be exempted is based on the availability to all eyes of the technology--not the legal rights attached to the software. The fact that the knowledge contained in Open Source software is available to all is the key. The legal right to use that knowledge is not quite the issue. If the knowledge in the software becomes "common knowledge" then defining its (illegal) export becomes extremely difficult. >From this point of view, I agree with the author of the original statement--this could be a very important boost for Open Source crypto. APF >Forwarded message: > >> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:50:04 +0100 >> From: Alexander Kjeldaas <astor(a)guardian.no> >> Subject: Re: German government press release on Wassenaar > >> I applied for an examination of the Open Source definition to the >> department for foreign affairs in Norway. The response (no surprise) >> was that Open Source is compliant with what the Wassenaar-agreement >> calls "public domain" software. > >Actualy that is surprising since Open Sourse does not imply the loss of >rights by the author as public domain does. > >If this is so and Germany interprets Open Source in this way then the OS >movement will fail in Germany (at least). There will be no motive for >authors to release their work since they will be in effect releasing all >rights to it, not the goal of OS at all. The impact on this for closed source >derivitive products is also of some interest. > >I wonder what RMS will have to say on that one... > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > What raises the standard of living may well diminish the > quality of life. > > The Club of Rome > > The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate > Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com > www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 > -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- >

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CFS & TCFS (was Re: Linux Encrypted File System)
by mib 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you are running Red Hat Linux and want the Cryptographic File System (also available for most BSD-derived Unix systems and most current Linux releases), go to http://www.replay.com/redhat/cfs.html If you are running Linux 2.0.X and want the Transparent Cryptographic File System (improves on Matt Blaze's CFS, they say), go to http://vales.uni.net/tcfs/ - d.

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Re: German government press release on Wassenaar (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 15:33:10 +0100 > From: "Albert P. Franco, II" <apf2(a)apf2.com> > Subject: Re: German government press release on Wassenaar (fwd) > I think the key idea which allows Open Source to be exempted is based on > the availability to all eyes of the technology--not the legal rights > attached to the software. > > The fact that the knowledge contained in Open Source software is available > to all is the key. The legal right to use that knowledge is not quite the > issue. If the knowledge in the software becomes "common knowledge" then > defining its (illegal) export becomes extremely difficult. The problem I see with this is that the knowledge about the crypto system doesn't come from the source but rather from the mathematics that it is founded upon. If this line of reasoning is followed to its logical conclusion then publishing a paper on the algorithm also transmits that knowledge making particular knowledge of the software (ie whether I used a do-loop instead of a if statement) rather irrelevant. Now if it's not the particulars of the implimentation that we're protecting and it's not the mathematics itself then exactly what is it that we're protecting by imposing these closed source limitations? It looks to me like an unintentional(?) attempt to put commercial closed source crypto out of business. Under these regulations doesn't it mean that any business that isn't OS faces additional hurdles in its operation? Any business that is OS faces the problem of income stream which still isn't completely worked out for OS companies. This implies a longer time to market for OS crypto products. Also, since the source of PGP has always been avaiable doesn't this now make it permissible to export without restriction? ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Echelon, Diana, Wassenaar
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Wash Post today has picked up the hot European story of NSA's file on Princess Diana and linked it to the NSA's Echelon program. http://jya.com/nsa-diana.htm This is the first US major media story on Echelon, and its connection to privacy invasion of a global celebrity icon may do more to get public attention for the vile program than any previous investigation and report. NSA claims Diana was not a "target" and that the 1,000 pages of data on her were gathered "incidental" to other activities. But, as with all the TLA snooping, it is this incidental surveillance of the innocent that all the calls for loosening of encrypton controls is about. After all the near-futile efforts of investigators to bring Echelon out into the open, and counterefforts of pols and spooks cloak it, the Diana hook may the "Gone With The Wind" popularizer that finally energizes a genuine borad-based opposition, and, may very well be the kickoff to global demand for encryption to protect privacy worldwide and maybe even in the US. What wonderful cloubreak to let sunshine into the dark halls of Wassenaar and FT Meade spookdoms.

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DigiCash Update
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: "Scott Loftesness" <scott(a)loftesness.com> To: <dbs(a)philodox.com> Subject: DigiCash Update Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 10:43:13 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: <dbs(a)philodox.com> Precedence: Bulk List-Subscribe: <mailto:requests@philodox.com?subject=subscribe%20dbs> X-Web-Archive: http://www.philodox.com/dbs-archive/ It's been a while since I've posted an update regarding DigiCash. As you know, DigiCash Incorporated filed Chapter 11 in early November. Since that time, over the course of the last several weeks, we've been engaged in discussions with a number of parties around the potential acquisition of the DigiCash assets. These discussions with potential acquirers are continuing. We are also exploring other options for DigiCash. One of these options involves establishing a more broadly based licensing structure for the DigiCash intellectual property. I would welcome those of you who are specifically interested in licensing the DigiCash IP for your own purposes to get in touch with me directly (Email is fine -- see below). Please specify your particular area of interest in the DigiCash IP when you contact me. (Please note that we are well aware of several recommendations for opening up the DigiCash IP. These recommendations have been posted on this list as well as having been discussed with me privately. We are primarily interested at this time, however, in ensuring that we are directly aware of those of you who have a direct licensing interest in the DigiCash IP specifically for your own purposes.) Best, Scott __________________________________________________________________ Interim CEO DigiCash Incorporated 2656 E. Bayshore Road Palo Alto, CA 94303 (650) 798-8183 work (650) 533-3142 cell Email: scott(a)loftesness.com or: sjl(a)digicash.com --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Mathematician-to-silicon compilers and the Law
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> >publishing a paper on the algorithm also transmits that knowledge making 1. In the *best-case*, the published paper transmits some knowledge to the reader :-) 2. In ECAD, tools try to go from that published Paper to circuits. In SoftE, tools try to go from english specs to runnable prototypes. Meanwhile, the humans who do various steps of this translation get paid reasonably well. 2. But eventually normal english prose will be *mechanically translatable* to a machine-ready format. Which means that free speech law starts mixing with machine law (patents, export restrictions, posession restrictions). Because the Instructions become the Thing. You can sell instructions on converting your rifle to full auto, or stealing cable TV. They're protected speech. But suppose you could feed a properly formatted blueprint into a universal fabricator and get a full auto rifle out? Crypto source code fed to a universal computer gives you a regulated item; what happens to the law when regular english is just a few clicks away from being an executable? A chip? There is a fundamental issue that the law doesn't handle at all consistently, because it previously didn't matter much, but which every CS Ugrad knows: There is no difference between software, and hardware. Only such annoyances as cost, development time, throughput, flexibility, etc. (Not everyone can see machines as instantiations of ideas. Politicians have particular problems linking abstractions to atoms. Fortunately, those that can see machines as ideas can turn their ideas into machines.) I see two extrapolated futures. In one, the end result is restrictions on free speech in certain areas (e.g., crypto), for the benefit of national insecurity and the Children. In the other, the Law will have to allow you whatever posessions you like, and only punish *actions* after the fact. Given recent historical trends... ----------- Imagine biologists couldn't publish new enkephalin sequences because someone might put them into a programmable yeast and make unlicensed medicines..

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steganography detection hazard?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Suppose you take your plaintext, encrypt it, then spread the bits across an image as the LSBs. The LSBs will, if you've used a decent cipher, have perfectly uniform distribution. The 'noise' LSBs in a chunk of *digitized* bits will show a *uniform* distribution. (As indeed will the cipher's blocks, or any bitchunk larger or smaller.) Therefore an entropy test (see Maurer) will discriminate between the two. Please prove me wrong. --Stegosaur

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passwords and hashes
by Alexander Kjeldaas 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm looking into how passwords should be transferred into keys for the loopback filesystem in Linux. Currently, what happens is that you take the SHA or RIPEMD-160 hash of the password string and use that as a key. If the cipher only uses a 128-bit key, the last 32 bits of the hash is unused. I have some questions about this scheme: o In the case of a 128-bit cipher, do I lose any information by not using the last 32 bits of information? Should the last 32 bits be xored with the first 128 in order to not lose any info? o Is there any advantage to _not_ using a 256-bit hash function? (i.e - use a 128-bit hash for 128-bit ciphers). Currently there are lots of AES ciphers that don't get fed a 256-bit key because we only have a 160-bit hash. o Is there a good 256-bit hash function? I don't know of any other than snefru. In this application, speed doesn't matter much. Should I use a 256-bit cipher instead maybe? o Is it safe to always take the hash of the password, or is it better to use the password directly as the key if it is less than 16 characters for 128-bit cipher? astor -- Alexander Kjeldaas, Guardian Networks AS, Trondheim, Norway http://www.guardian.no/

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cfs' ecb+ofb mode vs. interleaved cbc mode
by Alexander Kjeldaas 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For fast file-system crypto, you really want to implement the ciphers so that you encrypt several blocks at a time. CFS does this by using a special mode (described as ecb+ofb by schneier). The CFS documentation explains: "At attach time, CFS derives from the passphrase into two DES keys, K1 and K2. K1 is used to create two (or three) DES pseudorandom stream ciphers, each 128KB long, S1 and S2. To encrypt a file block, it is first XORd against a unique bitstream derived from the inode number of the file. The result is then XORd against S1 based on its offset in the file. This is then DES ECB encrypted with K2, and the result of that is XORd against the appropriate position in S2. The resulting ciphertext is what is stored. The cipher is reversed in the obvious manner. Filenames are similarly encrypted. There does not appear to be a feasible attack that allows an independent search for the two subkeys K1 and K2; in a brute-force known-plaintext attack, an attacker would have to try all 2**112 key combinations. Note that in the single DES mode, the two keys may be vulnerable to independent exhaustive search under a so-called "linear" attack, but this attack appears to require a large number of chosen plaintexts encrypted under the same inode number. Under most conditions where the attacker cannot introduce large numbers of chosen plaintexts, I believe even the single-DES CFS encryption to be very strong in practice. Note that this is not the same as a "proof". In any event, CFS is always at least as secure as DES or triple DES (as selected when the directory is created). If want high security, select triple DES (now the default); for better performance, use the hybrid single-DES option." I'd like to know how this method compares to using an interleaved cbc mode - for example 8-way interleaved cbc. The n-way interlaved cbc-mode works by chaining each n'th block together instead of each block. This means you get n more messages. For a 512-byte block and a 128-bit block length, this means that each message will be 512/(8*16) = 4 blocks long. For a 4k block you get messages that are 32 blocks long. This might or might not be a problem. With CFS you need 2x the key material - something that is really hard to get by when you're using 256-bit keys. It seems to me you'll have to type in an extremely long password or each of the keys will in practice be weaker than what the theory tells you. Another point is that CFS requires a lot more nonswappable memory than interleaved cbc mode. This means that interleaved cbc mode initially seems more attractive for file-system use. Am I missing something? astor -- Alexander Kjeldaas, Guardian Networks AS, Trondheim, Norway http://www.guardian.no/

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Nation's Biggest Jewish Singles Event: Dec. 24 @ Webster Hall
by theball＠matzah.cc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Legally Pay No Federal Income Tax !
by Zebra911＠usa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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JUST RELEASED VOL. 2
by smo＠clinet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

JUST RELEASED!!! INTRODUCING...THE CD VOL. 2 The CD - Vol. 2, is the absolute best product of its' kind anywhere in the world today. There are no other products anywhere that can compete with the quality of this product. We took a total of over 190 million email addresses from many of the touted CD's that are out there (bought them all - some were $300+)! We added the millions we had in storage to those. When we combined them all, we had in excess of 300+ million addresses in one huge file. We ran a super "sort/de-dupe" program against this huge list. It cut the file down to less than 20 million!!! Can you believe that? It seems that most people that are selling CD's are duping the public by putting numerous files of addresses in the CD over and over. This created many duplicate addresses. They also had many program "generated" email addresses like CompuServe, MCI, ANON's, etc. This causes a tremendous amount of undeliverables. After completion of removal of duplicates and initial filtering we were left with the base of 10 Million addresses worth fine tuning to finish the project. Remember, we are not here to produce the CD with the gad zillion millions that our competitors are so proud to put their names on these days. We ARE here to produce the very BEST CD list as far as quality of addresses go We then ran a program that contained 300+ keywords to remove addresses with vulgarity, profanity, sex-related names, postmaster, webmaster, flamer, abuse, spam, etc., etc. Also eliminated all .EDU, mil, .org, .GOV, Genie, Delphi, GNN, Wow etc. We also filtered out all addresses found in any of our 1300+ domains list. We also filtered out addresses in excess of 30,000 which have proven to be affiliated with anyone found to be opposed to our using direct bulk email as a advertising medium. We have also purged the list to be free of any "web poison" addresses created by those who are opposed to us conducting legitimate business on the internet today. If you do not know what web poisoned addresses are, please look it up now. One list we recently purchased had over 90% poisoned addresses. The "bottom line" here is that you can go out on the world market today and purchase every lists for thousands of dollars and NOT have anymore worth owning than what we have compiled for you here today. You use these addresses, you will experience increased response, increased sales, and a host of other positives that far exceeds any hoped for results when using the competitor's inferior products. Our customers purchase our products over and over and over. Most of the competition ever succeeds is selling a second product to anyone after they purchase the first. So, you see, our list will save people hundreds of dollars buying all others that are out there on CD and otherwise. Using ours will be like using the 200+ million that we started with, but a lot less money and a lot less time!! We have always said, "You can buy from the REST or you can buy from the BEST". Your choice. _____________________________ What others are saying: "I received the CD on Friday evening. Like a kid with a new toy, I immediately started bulking out using the new email addresses. Over the course of the weekend, I emailed out over 500,000 emails and I received less than TWENTY undeliverables!! I am totally satisfied with my purchase!! Thanks Premier!!" Dave Buckley Houston, TX "This list is worth it's weight in gold!! I sent out 100,000 emails for my product and received over 55 orders! Ann Colby New Orleans, LA **************************************** HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE The CD is comprised of 7 million PREMIUM & SUPER clean addresses -ready for mailing upon receipt of the CD. Each file contains exactly 100,000 email addresses. There are only AOL & Mixed addresses on this CD. You have 50 files of 100,000 each of AOL to equal 5,000,000 addresses. The AOL addresses are less than 6 weeks old and have been collected throughout the production schedule. The remaining files are comprised of General Internet addresses. There are 20 files of 100,000 each, totaling 2,000,000 premium addresses. NO Compuserve! No Delphi! No Genie! No Prodigy! NO Filler Addresses! Simply the Best of the Best!!! >>> ONLY $200.00! This price is effective for the next seven days, thereafter the price will be $299.00 so ORDER NOW! Remember, bottom-line you always get what you pay for! All lists are completely free of any Duplicates. We also on a continual basis, add New Names and Remove Undeliverables and Remove Requests. The result is the Cleanest Email Addresses Available Anywhere to use over and over again, for a FRACTION of the cost that other companies charge. Typical rates for acquiring email lists are from 1cent to as high as 3 cents per email address - that's "INFORMATION HIGHWAY" ROBBERY!. We continually work on our CD. Who knows when those other CDs were made. We're constantly adding and deleting addresses, removes. Etc. It all comes back to quality. Don't even hesitate on this one or you will miss out on the most effective way to market anywhere...PERIOD! If you have any further questions or to place an order, you can call toll free at: 800-600-0343 Ext. 2693 To order our email package, simply print out the EZ ORDER FORM below and fax or mail it to our office today. We accept Visa, Mastercard, AMEX, Checks by Fax. _________________ EZ Order Form _____Yes! I would like to order MILLIONS Vol. 2 email addresses for only $200.00. *Please select one of the following for shipping.. ____I would like to receive my package OVERNIGHT. I'm including $15 for shipping. 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RE: Postcard Debates
by Wilson, Jamie (J.R.) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The problem with the USPS is that it is government run -- like anything government run, it doesn't work right. It's too expensive, too slow, and too unreliable. Email, on the other hand, is largely handled by the private sector. Hence, it works better. What I find interesting (in response to your note that the USPS would charge), is that the U.S. government had to actually pass a law to make sure the U.S. government doesn't start taxing the Internet. ____________________________________________________ Jamie R. Wilson -----Original Message----- From: Reeza! [mailto:howree@cable.navy.mil] Sent: Friday, 11 December, 1998 20:51 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: RE: Postcard Debates This would open the door for the USPS to charge for each email sent. The same rules? No. Based on those rules, but not the same rules. The same rules would slow email down considerably also, wouldn't they???<g> Reeza! At 08:41 AM 12/11/98 -0500, Wilson, Jamie (J.R.) wrote: >If everyone just encrypted their messages then no suspicions would be raised >regarding the use of encryption. Most people use envelopes, plain and >simple -- and as a result no one questions what they are hiding. It's >understood that mail is private and therefore people have a right to seal it >in an envelope and not worry about people tampering with it. On the same >note, there are federal regulations and penalties (in the U.S. anyway) for >tampering with mail and interrupting the delivery of it. The same laws >should apply to email. > >____________________________________________________ >Jamie R. Wilson > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robert Wenzler [mailto:rwenzler@usachoice.com] >Sent: Thursday, 10 December, 1998 13:56 >To: Mbishop645(a)aol.com >Cc: maven(a)weirdness.com; hab(a)gamegirlz.com; Cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: Re: > > > > >Mbishop645(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> >HaB wrote: >> ><snip> >> >> That's a good place to begin, though. "Would you send a letter to >> >> someone without an envelope?" "Then why not put your email in the >> >> electronic equivalent of one?" >> >> >> >> balance. >> > >> >Would I send a letter to someone without an envelope? >> >One word: postcard. >> >> Ahh, but would you tape a check for your phone bill to a postcard? Other >> than writing a greeting to someone what else do you use a postcard for? > >No, I would not tape a phone bill check to a postcard. There is the >chance for it to fall off. > >There is different methods of sending mail for different levels of >security and functionality. Some people make it obvious what is inside >an envelope. (who would not recognize a Christmas card from the >envelope?) Others make it as bland and normal as possible to >have it go by without much notice. > >It all depends on how secure you want it. Some things you can do >with what amounts to postcard security. > >What amount of security do you want for your email? Would you be >willing to do something extra for that security? > >This type of question is up to each person. How much risk is the >person willing to take. Each person has the responsibility to >understand what the risks are and to decide what risks they are >willing to take. > > >

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