December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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17 Dec '03

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Issues of crypto, politics, & chaos [sciencedaily.com]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.sciencedaily.com/news/order_chaos.htm > Posted 10/8/98 > Encryption Advance For Secure Global Communications > Scientists at the Department of Energy's Los Alamos National > Laboratory have achieved a significant advance in demonstrating the > viability of an unbreakable encryption scheme for transmitting secure > communications to and from satellites. > > Posted 9/9/98 > Mathematicians Prove That Group Decisions Can Be Impossible To Predict > For several years, some political scientists and others have argued > that group decisions such as elections are impossible to > anticipate-even if the preferences of the voters are well established > and the decision-making rules are set. Now there's a mathematical > proof to back that proposition. > > Posted 9/4/98 > Chaos-Based System That "Evolves" Answers May Be Alternative To > Current Computers > A revolutionary new computing technique that uses a network of chaotic > elements to "evolve" its answers could provide an alternative to the > digital computing systems widely used today. Described for the first > time in the September 7 issue of Physical Review Letters this > "dynamics-based computation" may be well suited for optical computing > using ultra-fast chaotic lasers and computing with silicon/neural > tissue hybrid circuitry. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Is Open Source safe? [Linux Weekly News]
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Frank O'Dwyer writes: > Here we're talking about > deliberately inserted back doors. Those can get extremely nasty, and may > be unpatchable. Examples include "data kidnap" (encrypting the target's > information in situ and demanding a ransom for the decryption key), and > "data cancer" (slow corruption of the target's information, ensuring > that the backups are also corrupted). ... I haven't heard of any real > examples of such attacks, but that's not especially comforting. The "data kidnap" scenario was tried with the "PC CYBORG (AIDS) virus" (actually a Trojan) scare of 1989, where a disk with a database application was sent to a number of recipients. I think it scrambled the FAT. It gave a post office box in Panama for the ransom payments. -- Jim Gillogly Highday, 3 Foreyule S.R. 1998, 20:23 12.19.5.12.16, 8 Cib 9 Ceh, Fourth Lord of Night

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RealSystem G2 Ships
by radinfo＠real.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - the various definitions (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:03:43 +0100 > From: "Albert P. Franco, II" <apf2(a)apf2.com> > Subject: Re: Goldbach's Conjecture - the various definitions > Math works because in most (we would like to say all...) cases it is WELL > DEFINED. Subtle differences in the definition of a problem can drastically > alter the solution. Absolutely. > Goldbach's Conjecture states that any EVEN OR ODD > number can be expressed by a sum of three primes. No, Goldbach's says specificaly EVEN numbers. > lose sight of the domains of the two statements. He never stated that ODD > numbers could be expressed as sums of TWO primes. Nobody said he did. > It is very important to get all of the information assembled before running Absolutely. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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building a better zyklon-B (Re: KRA on ADK vs KR, NAI membership)
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Writing about PGP's key recovery mechanism (CMR (Commercial Message Recovery) or ADK (Additional Decryption Key)), Dave Del Torto quotes from a letter he sent to info(a)kra.org: > I'm not aware of the KRA's public position on the recovery of > plaintext using cryptographically sound and ethically responsible > alternatives to the escrowing of keys in organizational situations, > e.g. PGP's Additional Decryption Key (ADK) mechanism. I don't see that ethics has any bearing on the difference between Key Escrow, and PGP's CMR "message recovery" design. They are both just yet another protocol to allow third parties to decrypt encrypted traffic. Ethics enter into the discussion when one one starts to argue about which third parties will be able to eavesdrop on the traffic. This issue is largely orthogonal to the general technique used. Parties which people are most concerned about having access to data are the spooks and governments via organisations such as NSA, GCHQ, ECHELON etc. In a commercial setting there is also some political debate about whether the employee has any expectation of privacy. One might also argue about whether it is ethical to design software which helps or makes it easy for third parties to gain access to the plaintext in general. > What is the KRA's public position on PGP's ADK? So one has to be clear of one's aims in asking KRA if they think PGP's CMR or ADK is a nice technology for adding NSA backdoors to crypto. Say, for example that they decided that CMR is neater than their CKRB mechanism. Now what? NSA/KRA lobby companies to include a modified CMR with the NSA's public key as a mandatory additional recipient? And NAI gets `asked' by the NSA to burn an NSA public key into PGP 7. Adam

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Re: Securing data in memory (was "Locking physical memory (RAM) under Windows")
by Jim Adler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SCNSM 1.0 Beta, a non-swappable memory allocator for Windows 3.x/95/98, is available and can be downloaded from http://soundcode.com/content/download/products/scnsm/default.htm (docs) http://soundcode.com/content/download/products/scnsm/scnsm10b.zip (source) The SCNSM driver supports allocation of non-swappable memory on Windows 3.x/95/98. The principal design goal of SCNSM is to provide memory that will not be swapped to disk, under any circumstances. Typically, security applications require such memory to store private keys, passwords, and sensitive intermediate results of cryptographic calculations. SCNSM uses the same technique as allocating DMA buffers for hardware device transfers. The idea being that Windows doesn't swap DMA buffers and therefore won't swap this buffer either. The SCNSM source-code is copyrighted freeware. The intent here is to end the perennial nuisance of having sensitive security data swapped to disk which undermines the public's confidence in commercial security products. Please send any questions or bugs to me or support(a)soundcode.com. Jim ================ Jim Adler Soundcode, Inc. www.soundcode.com

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Re: Securing data in memory (was "Locking physical memory (RAM) under Windows") (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Jim Adler" <jadler(a)soundcode.com> > Subject: Re: Securing data in memory (was "Locking physical memory (RAM) under Windows") > Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 22:47:48 -0800 > SCNSM 1.0 Beta, a non-swappable memory allocator for Windows 3.x/95/98, is > available and can be downloaded from [text deleted] > The SCNSM driver supports allocation of non-swappable memory on Windows > 3.x/95/98. The principal design goal of SCNSM is to provide memory that will > not be swapped to disk, under any circumstances. Typically, security > applications require such memory to store private keys, passwords, and > sensitive intermediate results of cryptographic calculations. [text deleted] Sounds cool, but I have a couple of questions: 1. Is it OpenSource? 2. I assume since it never swaps to disk the memory requirements for the computer are large. What is the minimum suggested if one runs say 5 apps that each require 16M each, 5*16M & OS overhead? And what is the suggested OS overhead with no swap to disk? (OK, that last one might be a 3rd question) ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Goldbach & Sum's of two primes to odd numbers
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Somebody explain how to odd numbers added together make a third odd number. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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by 4details＠bitsmart.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Digital bearer postage stamps
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Quoting Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) > I wonder if these guys have heard of double spending? > > Does anyone know whether this is some kind of 2-d barcode (it must be) or > is it something else? > > Cheers, > Robert Hettinga It's a 2-d barcode, with a bunch of info encoded into it.. Short answer: they use statistical security measures to prevent double spending, but they have a *scary* reputation and limitless resources to pursue fraud, something no one else really has. I would not be brave enough to double spend with this system from my home state, if I were in the US. Longer rambling answer: The E-stamp folks are pretty hardcore as far as security goes, I recall. They use a Dallas Semiconductor iButton (plug: check out the ibuttonpunks mailing list....) as a local value store, after paying for postage at a central location, and do other security measures I don't quite recall -- perhaps encoding your local post office, such that the local post office could keep its own database of double spenders, or having a global double spending database. The post office is pretty much protected from fraud, in any case -- much more than existing letters (which can be forged against high-speed equipment using a phosophor pen). I'm not sure how E-stamp protects itself from fraud, or protects its customers from E-stamp committing fraud, but I'm fairly convinced there is at least statistical security for the USPS against users. I believe the USPS published a standard during the search for a new postage system -- they did a pretty good job of it, I just never bothered to buy a copy. If someone bought a copy and mailed it to jya, it would be doing everyone a service. (Even if you have the nerve to commit bank wire fraud, check fraud, armed robbery, espionage, sedition, etc., you probably still aren't brave/reckless enough to commit postal fraud, though -- USPS inspectors make IRS auditors look passive) Cheers, Ryan ryan(a)venona.com

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A tad more on Goldbach's...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I figure I'll drop a couple of more points on this since nobody else seems to have twigged to them.... Goldbach's original conjecture is crap. There is NO way that 3 odd numbers will ever equal an even number. Odd + Odd is Even. Even + Odd is Odd. Fermat was a hell of a lot more charitable to the original assertion than I would have been. Goldbach's existing conjecture can be worded another way: Any even number may be represented by the sum of 3 even numbers provided two of the numbers are 1 less than a prime and we add 2. It's obvious that an even number can always be the sum of other even numbers, it's axiomatic. The question actualy is: Is the set of even numbers whose members are one less than the corresponding member of the primes sufficient, when added to 2, to sum to all the even numbers. As far as I can find nobody has written a lot on patterns of even numbers 1 less than the odds. There's not even a name for the set that I can find. As to somebodies assertion that an odd number can be represented by the sum of two odds, better study your math a tad better. Odd + Odd is *always* Even, never Odd. Happy Thanksgiving! ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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by Maxim Bugaenko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Scientific American: Science and the Citizen: BEATING THE TEMPEST: (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From stugreen(a)realtime.net Fri Nov 27 00:31:17 1998 Sender: root(a)coney.lsd-labs.com Message-ID: <365E45CB.549F4085(a)realtime.net> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 1998 06:25:15 +0000 From: Stu Green <stugreen(a)realtime.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: Scientific American: Science and the Citizen: BEATING THE TEMPEST: December 1998 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit http://www.sciam.com/1998/1298issue/1298techbus4.html

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Re: A tad more on Goldbach's... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:06:11 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: A tad more on Goldbach's... > Ditto for your bizarre theories about how electric fields work, about how > charges inside conducting spheres don't follow Gauss's Law, and other > crankish theories about electricity. Bullshit Tim. I NEVER said that. You and the other physics geniuses who stated that an internal charge on a conducting sphere doesn't get propogated out to the surface of the sphere are the ones who are claiming that Gauss' Law doesn't apply. Don't give me credit for your stupidity. You give it a rest. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: A tad more on Goldbach's...
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May scolds Jim Choate: > Ditto for your bizarre theories about how electric fields work, about how > charges inside conducting spheres don't follow Gauss's Law, and other > crankish theories about electricity. > > Give it a rest. No doubt it would be rude to point out that it was Tim May's aggressive defense of off-topic postings that has made cypherpunks a safe haven for the likes of Jim Choate. As for Choate, perhaps his least charming trait is his insistence on posting his incoming private email to the mailing list, as though cypherpunks were his personal mailbox. He even scolds people who have the courtesy to take off-topic discussions to private email. This behavior is exactly the opposite of appropriate mailing list etiquette. Choate is like a little boy who feels a fart coming on when in the bathroom, and who runs into the living room to share it with guests. His particular stench has been fouling the list for far too long.

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Space Aliens Address cpunx
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Trying another tack, Jeff launched into his "Nation of Laws" speech, ignoring shouted questions about selective prosecution, institutional revenge-taking, political hit lists, taxpayer suicides, and his organization's complicity in incidents of mysterious death more numerous than those trailing behind El Prez Klinton himself. When he delivered the line about "the price we pay for a civilized society," the extremes of apoplectic laughter so engendered were alarming enough that he paused in the interest of avoiding the necessity to explain deaths of attendees by traumatic mirth to the Canadian authorities. When he resumed, so many of the recovering crowd had gone to the restrooms to clean themselves up after pissing their pants and some of them vomiting from the effect of convulsive laughter that his later points were largely lost. The question and answer period was somewhat stunted by Jeff's seemingly uncontrollable habit of asking each questioner's SS number. He didn't seem to comprehend that out of his usual institutional context such requests set off everyone's alarm bells, being the hyperparanoid rebel fucks that they are. Of those who persisted, two threw Jeff curve balls he seemed unprepared to catch. One asked him his relationship to the Gordon who penned the Treasury's notorious Gordon Report of 1981, in which the author proposed using Letters of Marque and Reprisal against uncooperative tax haven nations, denying their flag airlines landing rights in the U.S., and blatantly stated that the U.S. must use every means at its disposal to pressure other nations to change their laws, even their constitutions, if necessary, to conform with the wishes of the U.S. Treasury and submit themselves to U.S. extraterritorial jurisdiction. Jeff seemed flustered, then changed the subject. The other asked him if it wasn't true that since the USG can create money at will out of thin air, and that therefore tax collections are obviously not needed to run the government, but that since increasing the money supply one-sidedly to fund government would obviously lead to hyperinflation, that the true function of the income tax and therefore the IRS is to take money out of circulation and destroy it to keep the money supply in balance. Jeff stammered, a few syllables slipping out as if to ask, "How did you...? who told you...?" Jeff hurriedly gathered his things and made his exit, trailed by the slow-thinking guer^H^H^Horillas he brought as bodyguards, his APC kicking up streams of packed snow as he sped away down the road. Declan "Chainsaw" McCullough didn't seem to notice Jeff's premature withdrawal (as, indeed, he hadn't seemed to notice Jeff's entrance), and continued trying to charm two buxom blonde reportwhores with his tales of journalistic derring-do and wildly exaggerated claims of his manly proportions. Blanc, tiring of this reportwhore's incessant questions about her panties, settled the issue once and for all (or at least for _that_ evening) by slipping them off while seated, and placing them over my head in such a way that I could see out the legholes while inhaling her womanly fragrance. My dizziness prevented me from noticing much else for the rest of the evening, my reaction to The Scent being not unlike that of a cat to catnip. I was told later that after collapsing to the floor I squirmed my way from table to table, making the complete circuit of the Coal Dust Saloon, confirming everyone's suspicions that I can't be taken anywhere. But then, neither can they. I was recovered enough at night's end to help with the ritual decontamination of the Saloon that always follows the infectious presence of government thugs. In addition to the spiritual cleansing, some half-dozen subminiature bugging devices were recovered, followed by much entertaining speculation on which local asswipe they should be planted on to encourage the most dangerous life forms around to feed on each other. TruthMonger "Just because you have part of me locked up doesn't mean you have all of me locked up." When I heard them say, "You have the right to remain bent over. Anything you say or we imagine you said or would like to tell people you said can and will be used against you. You have the right to an attorney who works for us. If you cannot afford one, an attorney will be provided to help you cop a plea. Your ass belongs to us," I realized the Revolution had already begun. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNIOCSM5WpAclQcU1AQEayQQAxK8pV2vaImguCj6dmGBTvzWrkgZWMwIy dfxDsf2akW+tbKZlj2PhMSrR1akBEd0LEsbekVf0bP7d/EAzNAMtB2FUezFhEtE3 BrV6fodfNzNsMMSR/i+tb+wN/6vSYXyqJmCyTfIzUnmHFHvtNf0WfIbEZi6wliQi KtsjgvL3A2A= =kYIE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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IP-Adresses
by Patrick Hinsberger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, my English is fuck, but I hope that anybody unerstand me <bg> If I`ve got a IP-Adress, f.E. 126.0.202.146 and our proxy denies this Adress, I can transform this adress in one number... ((126*256)+0)*256+202)*256+146 = 7E 00 CA 92 Is there a mistake? Can I connect with this adress to a Website? (Netscape Navigator and Proxy from Bull Systems...) -@Hinse@- Please give reply direct to my E-Mail adress, and not to the group...

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Y2K Privatization Opportunities
by Carol Moore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Libertarians: Whatever the extent of Y2K related problems that actually develops, there is one thing for certain: The private sector will be up and running smoothly before much of the government sector. Y2K will be a fantastic opportunity to promote and achieve privatization. So let's start planning for taking advantage of that opportunity and stop arguing about how bad it will or will not be. Somebody want to start the "Y2K Privatization Coalition"?? CarolMoore(a)kreative.net http://www.kreative.net/carolmoore

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Call my Bedroom Directly ! ! ! ! ! !
by K1cZS9PLE＠ps.quotron.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Welcome to ZDU
by ZDU Email 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thank you for subscribing to ZDU. The information you need to login to ZDU from our Home Page at http://www.zdu.com is as follows: User Name: Jolly Password: HRS59VTF Please note: the username is case sensitive, e.g. the mixed case 'XyZzY' is not the same as the all lower case 'xyzzy'. We hope that you enjoy our site! --The ZDU Staff Ref:[\\650363-1\\]

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trusting code
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:12 PM 11/23/98 +0000, Frank O'Dwyer wrote: >Vlad Stesin wrote: >> I don't quite understand the logic behind this. The fact that the >> program's source is available is itself a proof that there are no >> backdoors. Anyone can read the source code and make sure it's OK. > >Anyone can, but does anyone? Yes we do, but applied skeptics also consider the problem is also trusting your compiler, and the rest of the OS (incl. memory manager, keyboard driver, the email program your PGP utility may plug into, BIOS, etc.) What version of Microsoft compilers will begin checking for Mozilla code and compiling 'differently'? See Ritchie's Turing award article on Trusting Trust...

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open source
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:48 AM 11/23/98 -0700, Jim Burnes - Denver wrote: >Break into the coding environment? Does that mean they broke into >the VMS development shop? It is reasonable to believe that the US government (and others) finds a patriotic "contact" with access to source, inside various big code shops (MSoft, Lotus, the corporation formerly known as DEC, etc.) If it were otherwise we would not be getting our tax dollars' worth, eh? --Maced aliens confide in my fugs

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A bit more on Goldbach's and Primes
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Goldbach's Conjecture: Any even number >2 can be represented as the sum of two prime numbers. Goldbach's Extension: Any even number >=6 can be represented as the sum of three even numbers. 2 plus two evens that are each 1 less than a prime. Process: 1. Pick an even number 2. Select largest prime that is smaller by at least 4. 3. Add 1. 4. The difference between 1 and 3 should be a p-1. Add one to the difference and it must be in the list of primes. If it's not then go back to 2. and select the next smaller prime because the odd number that comes from (p-1)+1 isn't prime for that prime. Observation: This technique could be used to extrapolate potential unknown primes from known primes since it produces a much smaller list of potential candidates than simply testing consecutive odds via a sieve. It also is not as porous as Mersenne Prime tests. 2+(largest_known_prime-1)+(next_smallest_unknown_prime-1)=big_even_number So, we need a way of guestimating the magnitude of the next prime and pick big_even_numbers that are appropriate. Observation: For a given x the number of primes <x is limited by x/ln(x). So we could note the points where x/ln(x) increases by 1. Even Number Sum's: 6, 2+2+2 8, 2+2+4 10, 2+2+6 12, 2+4+6 14, 2+6+6 18, 2+4+12 20, 2+2+16 22, 2+2+18 24, 2+4+18 26, 2+6+18 28, 2+4+22 30, 2+6+22 32, 2+2+28 34, 2+2+30 36, 2+4+30 38, 2+6+30 40, 2+2+36 ... 100, 2+2+96 ... 398, 2+8+388 Note: this breaks since 8 isn't available. 9 ain't a prime. 2+14+382 next smaller doesn't work since 14 isn't there. 15 isn't prime. 2+18+378 that one works! ... 666, 2+4+660 ... 758, 2+6+750 ... 1,032, 2+10+1020 ... 1,044, 2+4+1038 ... 6,236, 2+6+6228 ... 7,920, 2+12+7906 Note: can't use 7,919 since it's delta is <4. Iterated Sums: 2+2+2=6 2+2+4=8 2+2+6=10 2+2+10=14 2+4+2=8 2+4+4=10 2+4+6=12 2+4+10=16 2+6+2=10 2+6+4=12 2+6+6=14 2+6+10=18 1st 1,000 Primes & their p-1's: p p-1 ------------------------------- 2 1 3 2 5 4 7 6 11 10 13 12 17 16 19 18 23 22 29 28 31 30 37 36 41 40 43 42 47 46 53 52 59 58 61 60 67 66 71 70 73 72 79 78 83 82 89 88 97 96 101 100 103 107 109 113 127 131 137 139 149 151 157 163 167 173 179 181 191 193 197 199 211 223 227 229 233 239 241 251 257 263 269 271 277 281 283 293 307 311 313 317 331 337 347 349 353 359 367 373 379 383 389 397 401 409 419 421 431 433 439 443 449 457 461 463 467 479 487 491 499 503 509 521 523 541 547 557 563 569 571 577 587 593 599 601 607 613 617 619 631 641 643 647 653 659 661 673 677 683 691 701 709 719 727 733 739 743 751 757 761 769 773 787 797 809 811 821 823 827 829 839 853 857 859 863 877 881 883 887 907 911 919 929 937 941 947 953 967 971 977 983 991 997 1009 1013 1019 1021 1031 1033 1039 1049 1051 1061 1063 1069 1087 1091 1093 1097 1103 1109 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How to unsubscribe
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Happy Thanksgiving! Forwarded message: > From owner-cypherpunks(a)ssz.com Tue Nov 24 12:35:18 1998 > Message-ID: <365B0981.966548AE(a)192.168.100.6> > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 19:31:13 +0000 > From: Maxim Bugaenko <max(a)192.168.100.6> > Reply-To: slaike(a)mika.dp.ua > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: unscribe > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com > Precedence: bulk > X-Mailing-List: cypherpunks(a)ssz.com > X-List-Admin: list(a)ssz.com > X-Loop: ssz.com > X-Language: English, Russian, German > > 1. You MUST spell correctly. 2. send a message to majordomo(a)domain.name with an empty title and the body consisting of 'unsubscribe <your_subscribed_email_address>'. Note that if you don't unsubscribe from the same account you subscribed with it will fail. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: A bit more on Goldbach's and Primes (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: A bit more on Goldbach's and Primes > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 13:18:13 -0600 (CST) > From: ichudov(a)Algebra.Com (Igor Chudov @ home) > According to the original conjecture, there are two prime numbers P1 and > P2 such that N=p1+p2. > > Rewriting this: N = 2 + (p1-1) + (p2-1). > > That is, two plus two evens that are each one less than a prime. > > That's eighth grade math. No, shit. It's a pity nobody seem to have ever carried it through and published it. > > Process: > > > > 1. Pick an even number > > 2. Select largest prime that is smaller by at least 4. > > 3. Add 1. > > 4. The difference between 1 and 3 should be a p-1. Add one to the > > difference and it must be in the list of primes. If it's not then > > if it is not then it must have not been in the list of primes. Exactly, I've a latter version that covers the various boundary conditions and what they mean. 9 and 15 for example aren't prime so because that number doesn't appear in the list of primes you know that this prime won't work as a candidate and you go pick the next lower one. If this is your only objection with this algorithm then I'm covered. > > Observation: > > > > This technique could be used to extrapolate potential unknown primes from > > known primes since it produces a much smaller list of potential candidates > > than simply testing consecutive odds via a sieve. It also is not as porous > > as Mersenne Prime tests. > > Bullshit. > > Your "technique" ASSUMES that you already know the "largest prime that > is smaller by at least 4". But you do. You have a list of known primes as I said originaly. Should have looked at the list of the first 1000 primes that was attached. If you don't want an array you could always impliment a Seive of Eratosthanese for example to generate them as required. This is an approach I'm looking at currently with a Perl implimentation. Hell, even if you start off with only 2 and 3 defined as prime you can generate the others, though it doesn't appear to be sufficient to prove primality. It does reduce the number of candidate odd numbers to examine for primality. Given [ 2, 3 ] and Goldbach's Extension: 6 = 2 + 2 + 2 p = 3, p = 3 8 = 2 + 2 + 4 p = 3, p = 5 We do a Seive of Eratosthanese and find 5 is prime so we now have: [ 2, 3, 5 ] 10 = 2 + 4 + 4 p = 5, p = 5 12 = 2 + 4 + 6 p = 5, p = 7 So we check 7 and find it's prime and we now have: [ 2, 3, 5, 7 ] And so on. The real advantage comes into play for very large primes since they get more sparse implying that a strictly direct approach (eg applying a Seive to every odd number) gets more and more non-primes to sift through. This technique reduces that set considerably because it gives you a known list of primes that you look through for existance. > > 2+(largest_known_prime-1)+(next_smallest_unknown_prime-1)=big_even_number > > > > So, we need a way of guestimating the magnitude of the next prime and pick > > big_even_numbers that are appropriate. > > > > Observation: For a given x the number of primes <x is limited by x/ln(x). > > So we could note the points where x/ln(x) increases by 1. > > > > Your observation is incorrect. > > Consider x = 8. x/ln(x) =~ 3.84, but the number of primes < 8 (2,3,5,7) is > 4, that is more than 8/ln(8). I'd say round up the 3.84. This is modulo math so fractions like this are impossible to deal with in this context because they aren't defined. The normal process is that if a fraction is produced it rounds up to the next larger integer (re the Camel & Banana problem). It's not my observation. If you go and look on The Primes webpage or any number theory book that covers limits on primes then you will find this asymptote given as the most commenly used. > I suggest checking observations more carefully. I did, you should check your conclusions more carefuly before you jump into something. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Limit on number of primes....a (silly) typo...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Just to let you know, I had typed x/ln(x) as the asymptotic limit for the number of primes less than x. This is incorrect. It should be, x/log(x) I guess I did it by habit. Sorry. ____________________________________________________________________ Technology cannot make us other than what we are. James P. Hogan The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Cypherpunks with guns
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/16433.html A group of San Francisco Bay Area cypherpunks recently spent hundreds of dollars per person on "defensive handgun" and "practical rifle" courses at the Front Sight firearms training institute in Aptos, California.

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:-)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:39:41 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: qnx.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Cc: bostic(a)bostic.com Subject: Is there any Substance to this Email ?? Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:43:51 -0500 From: glen mccready <glen(a)qnx.com> Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org X-Mailing-List: <0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org> archive/latest/274 X-Loop: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Status: U Forwarded-by: Chris Wedgwood <chris(a)cybernet.co.nz> From: tph(a)longhorn.uucp (Tom Harrington) Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers Subject: Re: Win 98 Snitch? Message-ID: <7279b8$ahr1(a)eccws1.dearborn.ford.com> Mark Statzer (mstatz(a)net66.om) wrote: : Microsoft slapped two more lawsuit against one teenager and one : retired worker for using pirated Windows 98 software. : For your information on how Microsoft actually trace : PIRATED/COPIED/UNLICENSED Windows 98: : Whenever you logon into the Internet, during the verifying password : duration. Your ISP (Internet Service provider eg:SingNET, PacNET, : CyberNET, SwiftNET) will download a SUB-REGISTRY ENCRYPTED HEXADECIMAL : (containing all your PROGRAMS serial numbers installed into Win98!!) : file from your Windows 98 registry. Then they send this SUB-REGISTRY : to Microsoft for verification. And ONLY Microsoft knows how to decode : this encrypted hexadecimal file. If Microsoft verified that the serial : numbers are authentic, then they WILL REGISTER THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU : A-U-T-O-M-A-T-C-A-L-L-Y !!! : And if Microsoft denied those serial numbers, then they will send an : E-Mail to the ISP you dialed into and your ISP will start tracing : everyone who logons to their systems. That's why during sometime for : no reason your Internet started slowing down. And if your ISP verified : that the SUB-REGISTRY ENCRYPTED HEXADECIMAL file is yours, they will : send : your information over to Microsoft Singapore. And there they will : decide whether to take actions or not. And then, if they _do_ decide to take action, black helicopters start circling your house, using mind-control rays to bend you to Microsoft's will. If this doesn't cut it (say, you're wearing a tin-foil hat), the men in black show up and remove your whole computer, and then use their memory-zapping thingy to erase any memory of ever having a computer. You'll then be officially branded as a dangerous outlaw subversive type (even though you no longer have your PIRATE/COPIED/UNLICENSED software, you've demonstrated that you're the type of person who will _get_ such software) and will not be able to get jobs, insurance, loans, etc. MS will tap your phone, and their agents will follow your every move. : There is already 54 cases in Singapore regarding uses of : PIRATE/COPIED/UNLICENSED Windows 98. Finally, when the revolution comes, MS will see to it that your house is high on the list of sites for the UN invaders to hit with tactical nukes. : Is there any Substance to this Email ?? It's all true. I had to go public with this information, even though the MS stormtroopers will doubtless show up at any second now. The people have a right to know. DON'T EVER GO ON LINE!!! YOUR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT!!!! : Do you Guys think that there exists such a registry in Windows 98 : Has microsoft sued anybody for illegal use of it ?? Sued? SUED???!!? When MS gets through with you, you're going to WISH that they'd jusT SUED you! These people are EVIL!!! They kidnapped my dog and G$%<S-F4>@^<S-F6>RB. f NO CARRIER --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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open-pgp / s/mime interoperability
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On the IETF s/mime list Jon Callas (PGP/NAI employee and co-author of IETF open-pgp draft for cypherpunks not following open-pgp) wrote: : I'd like to note that PGP is supported by NAI, Microsoft, Novell, : and more that are coming soon. curious as to what form Microsoft support of PGP will come in. Integrated PGP support with microsoft mail clients in later versions? Jon also wrote: : there is no reason why you can't have PGP : messages backed by X.509 certificates, and it is trivial to use S/MIME : with OpenPGP certificates. I'm planning on writing a short : informational RFC on how to do it once we all get RFC numbers for our : respective systems. open-pgp public keys aren't based on X.509 keys, so I would've thought s/mime implementation would barf on them. Are you basing this on the fact that you can extract the actual public key and repackage it as an X.509 public key? In this way you could take the same key into the X.509 / s/mime world, but you would lose open-pgp sigantures on the key, so it would lose it's certification. More recently we've been hearing that PGP6.x? or a future version of PGP does or will allow one to carry along X.509 keys, or perhaps even work directly with X.509 keys. Is this what you are referring to? (Separate question: any due date on the netscape plugin -- I want one of those!) Adam (message from IETF s/mime list the above is quoted from below). ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 17:54:29 -0800 To: Stefan_Salzmann/HAM/Lotus(a)lotus.com, ietf-smime(a)imc.org From: Jon Callas <jon(a)pgp.com> Subject: Re: Difference between SMIME and PGP At 05:20 PM 11/4/98 +0100, Stefan_Salzmann/HAM/Lotus(a)lotus.com wrote: I am struggling on the difference between SMIME and PGP. One of my customers wants to make the decision between using SMIME and PGP. I have been talking already with them but we got stuck in detailes. Basically its quit clear. SMIME will be supported by all important industry leaders such as Netscape, Microsoft, Novell etc. I'd like to note that PGP is supported by NAI, Microsoft, Novell, and more that are coming soon. Further SMIME supports the hierarchical trust model and PGP only supports the "web of trust" model. Actually, this is false. PGP supports all trust models, direct trust, hierarchical trust, and web of trust. As I said in my previous message, PGP supports 255 levels of hierarchy. However, I forgot to say that OpenPGP does not mandate *any* trust model. As a matter of fact, the OpenPGP working group has rejected any mandate of trust model. You are permitted to use an OpenPGP certificate with PKIX evaluation rules, and still be OpenPGP compliant! Now with PGP Version 6.0, PGP will support also X.509 certificates. Those can also be loaded into an PGP client than an SMIME Client can do it. So where is the difference now? Is it just the fact that the industry decided to go with SMIME or are there more differences (advantages for SMIME) when looking more closely. Actually, the industry hasn't decided to go with anything. Furthermore, there is no reason why you can't have PGP messages backed by X.509 certificates, and it is trivial to use S/MIME with OpenPGP certificates. I'm planning on writing a short informational RFC on how to do it once we all get RFC numbers for our respective systems. For instance using RSA public key encryption versus Deffie Helman public key encryption. How about Digital Signature Standard (DSS)? I have red about DSS and understand that DSS is the standard that provides the Digital Signature Algorithm. Before applying it there has to be calculated an Digest using SHA. I always thought that calculating the digest would be the signature already!! So why using the DSA in addition? Will the digest be decrypted using the Deffie Helman private key? The issue of algorithm is orthogonal to message encoding. The PGP-S/MIME question is really one of message encoding format. Each requires DSS, and allows RSA. The DSS (Digital Signature Standard) describes how to make a signature using DSA (Digital Signature Algorithm) and SHA1 (Secure Hash Algorithm). That's how they relate. You could (for example) use DSA with RIPEMD-160, but it wouldn't be DSS because DSS specifies the hash algorithm you should be using for the signature. DSA is a signature-only algorithm. Consequently, you aren't doing a "decryption" with it when you evaluate a signature. I recommend you look in a crypto source book, like Schneier's "Applied Cryptography" or Menezes, van Oorschot, and Vanstone's "Handbook of Applied Cryptography" for details of how DSS is done. There is also source code available from a wide variety of places. Users that apply Deffie Helman exchange their public values in order to derive an secret key that will be known at both party sides. Is that secret key the private key used to encrypt message digests or is the private key generated by the DSA algorithm? Like I said, DSS has its own signature-only key. As for "Diffie-Hellman" depending on the variant of DH you're using, you may or may not have an actual key. Many real-time systems use ephemeral DH merely to exchange symmetric keys. In OpenPGP, we use the Elgamal system for encryption. S/MIME is using an X9.42 algorithm that is very close (if not identical) to Elgamal. In PGP further exist key rings that contain the public keys of other users? How does that work with X.509 Certificates that actually contain the public key. If there has to be a public key revoked, it happens in the key ring. Would it be possible to export that revoked certificate. If not the revoked public key would resist only lokally. Most systems, be they PGP or X.509, use something akin to a directory to store certs, revocations, etc. Typically, these are HTTP or LDAP based systems. Are there any differences/advantages between RSA and Deffie Helman? Again, this is orthoganal to encoding, as these are merely algorithms. But yes, of course. The security of RSA is based upon the difficulty of factoring large numbers. Most people who toss around the term "Diffie-Hellman" use it to cover an entire family of algorithms whose security is all based on the difficulty of solving discrete logs. These include DSA, X9.42, Schnorr, and Elgamal. They are all approximately of the same strength. There are also a wide variety of advantages and disadvantages. Frequently, these are the same. For example, in RSA encryption and signatures are the same, which is simple, but leads to some hygenic problems. A signature-only system like DSA is less flexible, but easier to export, and enforces good key hygene (meaning that it is bad practice to use the same key for signatures as for encryption). I could go on with a discussion of all this, but this thread is already off-topic for this mailing list. Feel free to mail me privately or phone. You see I am very confused right now and I have the feeling that all my security theories wounŽt match with those used in PGP. There are many good reasons for being confused. One of the most important ones is that there really aren't a lot of differences between the systems. They are all trying to solve the same problem, but each has a slightly different slant to it. I really would appreciate it if there would be someone helping my to remove all that dust of my mind... Thank you in advance You're welcome. Jon ----- Jon Callas jon(a)pgp.com CTO, Total Network Security 3965 Freedom Circle Network Associates, Inc. Santa Clara, CA 95054 (408) 346-5860 Fingerprints: D1EC 3C51 FCB1 67F8 4345 4A04 7DF9 C2E6 F129 27A9 (DSS) 665B 797F 37D1 C240 53AC 6D87 3A60 4628 (RSA)

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Re: Limit on number of primes....a (stupid) idiot...
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate is so stupid that even when he accidentally gets something right, he quickly "corrects" himself so that he is wrong again: > I had typed x/ln(x) as the asymptotic limit for the number of primes less > than x. > > This is incorrect. It should be, > > x/log(x) Wrong, doofus. x/ln(x) is the correct asymptotic limit. What role could logs to the base 10 possibly play? Do you think God favors the number 10? What a fool you are!

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Re: Netscape AOL Instant Messenger Confirmation (kB3bEjeb1I aohelsux)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This does wonders for my opinion of AOL. Even the administration has no clue. AOL administration spammed the Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> list, using an address for Cypherpunks which has been defunct for over a year now, with: >Thank you for registering for Netscape AOL Instant Messenger! > >Your registration for screen name aohelsux has been received. > >Please reply to this message within 48 hours to complete >the registration process. Simply reply to the present message >and type 'OK' as the text of your message. P.S. "Well they just responded to an address someone gave them," like certain advocates of AOL, lamers, and Microsoft we have on the list have said, is not an excuse. It's easy to set up domain validation. The spammers just don't care.

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Announce - "Registration" Mail List
by BMM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In order to relieve the CDR list of some of the flood of "You have successfully registered" messages, and because some people feel there is a need for such a thing, I have created a new mailing list for the specific purpose of being used for registering for online services, reg(a)minder.net. Subject lines of mail from the list with be prepended with "[r]" for easy filtering, whether automated or by eye. It is a majordomo list, so those who are familiar with majordomo can subscribe in the usual fashion. For those who are not familar with majordomo, to subscribe send a message to "majordomo(a)minder.net" with "subscribe reg" (without the quotes) in the body of the message. Cheers, -Brian

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Netscape AOL Instant Messenger Confirmation (kB3bEjeb1I aohelsux)
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Thank you for registering for Netscape AOL Instant Messenger! Hey Tim, do you have a spare semi-auto I can borrow? You'll get it back if AOL's security is as low as their intelligence.

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Y2K Report Card
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

AGENCIES GET NEW REPORT CARDS ON Y2K READINESS Saying "the picture is a gloomy one," Congressman Stephen Horn, chair of the House subcommittee responsible for overseeing government progress on averting the Y2K problem, has given out new report cards to federal agencies. Three departments flunked: Justice; Health & Human Services; and State. The Defense Department gets a D-minus. Three departments get A grades: Small Business Administration; Social Security Administration; and the National Science Foundation. The Social Security Administration began working on the problem in 1989, eight years before most other government agencies. - USA Today, Nov. 24, 1998

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Re: Netscape AOL Instant Messenger Confirmation (kB3bEjeb1I aohelsux)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Again, some clueless asshole that can't tell the difference between >solicited responses and Unsolicited spam mouths off. If you would like >to talk about someone, talk about the jerk who set up an AIM name using >the outdated address, not the company that repsonded. > >PHM > >AKA PHMerrill(a)AOL.Com (among other names and addresses) Again, the clueless asshole known as Paul *H.* Merrill jumps up and defends AOL, incompetently-written web sites, and morons everywhere. Someone told AOL to mail cypherpunks(a)toad.com. AOL could have checked to see if the originating site was under the toad.com domain. This is trivial. They didn't. It's rather easy to just require that somebody trying to mail an address under the toad.com domain submit the request from an address under toad.com. In other words, Paul, you believe that if somebody goes and types your address into some system and asks it to send you 512MB of MPEG video, that's okay because it was solicited. It wasn't solicited by you but somebody solicited it. Oops. That's "blatent propoganda." I'd better rephrase. In other words, Paul, you believe that if somebody goes and types YOUR address into fifty different systems, signs you up for a bunch of mailing lists, and generally causes you a lot of inconvenience, that's okay because it was solicited. You don't know who it was solicited by, but somebody obviously did. If you then object to the sites sending you mail rather than just silently unsubscribing yourself every week, are you then just 'some clueless asshole'? Are spammers now not to be held accountable for their spamming because they bought a list of addresses from someone who claimed that the people all asked to be on the mailing list? Why don't we just sign Cypherpunks up for Ignition-Point, the FP list, the ACLU action advisories, Sixdegrees, and whatever else we can find? Or should We just sign up Paul, really, because he doesn't have a problem with this. In fact I'm sure we could make some 'marketting research' to show that he might be interested. Hey let's get the entire CDR subscription list and sign everybody up for FP and ACLU because if you're on Cypherpunks you're obviously interested in those things. The root of the problem is sites which require email addresses for no good reason, and/or don't have the decency to perform a simple check to see if the domains match. They're lazy. They're irresponsible. When confronted, no matter how civil, they react much like you do, Paul, and they don't want to be inconvenienced by having to fix their usually badly-designed web sites. If I recall correctly Tim has the same opinion and has stated it a few times as have others so I'm not alone. Now I leave you, Paul, so you can go back to your 24 hour vigil and you and your quick response team can scour the net for attacks against AOL and the true clueless assholes, and defend them with your last breath. Yet Another 'Clueless Asshole'

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Re: Re: Netscape AOL Instant Messenger Confirmation (kB3bEjeb1I aohels
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Do you even bother to read the posts you try to flame? Read the last part of that. Paul H. Merrill wrote: > >Again, some clueless asshole that can't tell the difference between >solicited responses and Unsolicited spam mouths off. If you would like >to talk about someone, talk about the jerk who set up an AIM name using >the outdated address, not the company that repsonded. > >PHM > >AKA PHMerrill(a)AOL.Com (among other names and addresses) > >Anonymous wrote: >> >> This does wonders for my opinion of AOL. Even the administration has no clue. >> >> AOL administration spammed the Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> list, using >> an address for Cypherpunks which has been defunct for over a year now, with: >> >> >Thank you for registering for Netscape AOL Instant Messenger! >> > >> >Your registration for screen name aohelsux has been received. >> > >> >Please reply to this message within 48 hours to complete >> >the registration process. Simply reply to the present message >> >and type 'OK' as the text of your message. >> >> P.S. "Well they just responded to an address someone gave them," like >> certain advocates of AOL, lamers, and Microsoft we have on the list have >> said, is not an excuse. It's easy to set up domain validation. The spammers >> just don't care.

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NAI Special offers to expire Soon
by Tom Jud - US 5-200 Sales 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Interesting tidbit about media controlling and censoring opinions, Web Polls data manipulated, etc.
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 24 Nov 1998 16:03:53 -0600, Ed "Saipan" D. (via CFD V2#714) wrote: >Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 11:48:13 -0600 >From: dongres <dongres(a)manitouwadge.lakeheadu.ca> >Subject: Anne MacLelland has promised [several paragraph snipped] [THE FOLLOWING REVEALS A VERY DISTRUBING TENDENCY. JFA.] [snip] >The problem now is missinformation. Public forums >that generaly shows we are in the majority, are being removed while media incresed >their pitch. You may have noticed the latest one on Sympatico showed 85% against >gun control and 15% for it. Now set for 0% to 0%, while sysop says he didn't >noticed and his female helper ("webmistress") emailed me that there's "no any >conspiracy" even 'though I never suggested there's any to beggin with. When I >asked Angus Reids Poll info about their gun control poll they said that they know >only what is on their website. (And that one wasn't there) They asked me who ever >mention such poll!!! (as if it didn't existed?) Maybe it does maybe it doesn't. I >haven't seen the evidence yet. "That's all I'm saying" (to put it in Randy Scott's >words ;-) [THE FOLLOWING IS IS A VERY INTERESTING OBSERVATION... JFA. ] >See, we have to work on demystifying all the "news" we are getting and NEVER TAKE >ANY at face value. Did you noticed often on the news they show a "talking head" >with the sound off and CBC own comentator narates what has been said. This is to >train us to get used to it (communist regime trick I've seen so often) so they can >put anything to anybody's mouth when needed - and sometimes they do already. >Nothing new under the Sun. [large snip] >Ed "Saipan" D. >/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

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buttsniffer
by Patrick Hinsberger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi folk! Anybody knows how to use Buttsniffer? I can listen to ethernet frames in our network, but after a few minutes I`ve got a huge File with over 50MB... I read that there is an option to listen only to POP3 password and so funny things... At the moment I listen the network with the options : buttsniff -d 0002 pws.txt e Please mail me directly!!! ThanX (and Sorry for my fucKKK English!!!) -@HiNSe@-

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[ISN] Feds Want Banks to Spy on All Customers...Even You! (fwd)
by Ken Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Good thing I keep all my money in a steel case buried somewhere along the Appalachian trail. No bank accounts, no credit cards. Ken Williams Packet Storm Security http://www.Genocide2600.com/~tattooman/ E.H.A.P. Head of Operations http://www.ehap.org/ ehap(a)ehap.org NC State CS Dept http://www.csc.ncsu.edu/ jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu PGP DSS/DH/RSA Keys http://www4.ncsu.edu/~jkwilli2/pgpkey/ _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free, Encrypted Email at http://www.nsa.gov - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:56:41 -0700 (MST) From: mea culpa <jericho(a)dimensional.com> To: InfoSec News <isn(a)repsec.com> Subject: [ISN] Feds Want Banks to Spy on All Customers...Even You! >From: ISPI Clips 6.51 >From: WorldNetDaily, November 23, 1998 Big Brother Banks? FDIC has snooping plans http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19981123_xex_big_brother_.shtml David M. Bresnahan, David(a)talkusa.com Contributing Editor, WorldNetDaily Are you a potential criminal? Are you a threat to banks, airlines, a potential spy, or perhaps an IRS tax protester? The government would like to know and they are about to force banks to be their detectives. The federal government wants banks to investigate you. Soon your banker will know more about you than anyone else in town. Banks must not only determine your correct identity, they must also know how you make your money, and how you spend it. Once you establish a pattern of deposits and withdrawals, banks must inform federal agencies when you deviate. Bank customers may soon find themselves explaining to the FBI, Internal Revenue Service, and the Drug Enforcement Agency why they made a $15,000 deposit to their bank account. According to current Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation plans, banks will soon establish "profiles" of their customers and report deviations from those profiles. If you sell a car, for example, and place the proceeds in your account while you shop for a new one, a red flag may go off in the bank computer. Such a situation puts law abiding citizens in a situation where they must prove they are innocent, says Scott McDonald of the watchdog group Fight the Fingerprint. An uproar from grass roots Americans is the only thing that will stop the current plans for the FDIC "Know Your Customer" program, according to McDonald. His organization has led the charge against the national ID, medical ID, and computerized information about private aspects of people's lives. A recent announcement by the FDIC provides for citizen comment prior to implementation of their new banking regulations. The deadline for comments is Dec. 27, 1998. "The FDIC is proposing to issue a regulation requiring insured nonmember banks to develop and maintain 'Know Your Customer' programs," according to a recent FDIC information package sent to Congress to provide notice of proposed rulemaking, and to banks for comment. "As proposed," the 29-page FDIC document begins, "the regulation would require each nonmember bank to develop a program designed to determine the identity of its customers; determine its customers' source of funds; determine the normal and expected transactions of its customers; monitor account activity for transactions that are inconsistent with those normal and expected transactions; and report anytransactions of its customers that are determined to be suspicious, in accordance with the FDIC's existing suspicious activity reporting regulation. By requiring insured nonmember banks to determine the identity of their customers, as well as to obtain knowledge regarding the legitimate activities of their customers, the proposed regulation will reduce the likelihood that insured nonmember banks will become unwitting participants in illicit activities conducted or attempted by their customers. It will also level the playing field between institutions that already have adopted formal 'Know Your Customer' programs and those that have not." Many banks across the country have already begun to implement such programs, according to the FDIC. A quick search of the Internet found many stories in press accounts of problems reported at such banks. There have been a number of stories dealing with banks requiring fingerprints to open accounts and to cash checks. There are several lawsuits presently underway testing the right of banks to make that requirement. McDonald has been fighting that issue, along with fingerprints on driver's licenses for some time. He pointed out the many errors found on credit reports and suggested that banks will soon make similar errors when they begin creating profiles of their customers. The FDIC is selling the planned regulations by pointing out the need for prevention of financial and other crime. "By identifying and, when appropriate, reporting such transactions in accordance with existing suspicious activity reporting requirements, financial institutions are protecting their integrity and are assisting the efforts of the financial institution regulatory agencies and law enforcement authorities to combat illicit activities at such institutions," says the FDIC. The proposed regulation is, according to FDIC spokesperson Carol A. Mesheske, authorized by current law. It comes from the statutory authority granted the FDIC under section 8(s)(1) of the Federal Deposit Insurance Act (12 U.S.C. 18189s)(1), as amended by section 259(a)(2) of the Crime Control Act of 1990 (Pub. L. 101-647). The FDIC claims that the law requires them to develop regulations to require banks to "establish and maintain internal procedures reasonably designed to ensure and monitor compliance with the Bank Secrecy Act. Effective 'Know Your Customer' programs serve to facilitate compliance with the Bank Secrecy Act." The proposed regulations will mandate that all banks insured by the FDIC must maintain an intelligence gathering department that screens out customers and keeps an eye on existing customers. Before you decide to move your money to a credit union, you should know that the FDIC is not the only federal organization making such plans. "Each of the other Federal bank supervisory agencies is proposing to adopt substantially identical regulations covering state member and national banks, federally-chartered branches and agencies of foreign banks, savings associations, and credit unions. There also have been discussions with the Federal regulators of non-bank financial institutions, such as broker-dealers, concerning the need to propose similar rules governing the activities of these non-bank institutions," reports FDIC attorney Karn L. Main in the proposal. The purposes for the regulation are to protect the reputation of the banks, to facilitate compliance with the law, to improve safe and sound banking practices, and to protect banks from being used by criminals as a vehicle for illegal activities. Current customers will be subjected to the new regulation in the same way new customers will be scrutinized. The FDIC does not wish to permit any loop hole which would leave any bank customer unidentified or unsupervised. Each bank will create profiles. The first profile will determine the amount of risk a potential customer might present by opening an account. The system of profiling potential customers will be different from one bank to the next, since the FDIC does not provide a uniform program. The purpose of the profile is to identify potential customers who might use a bank account for funds obtained through criminal activity. The next profile will be one that is used by automated computers to determine when suspicious activity is taking place in an account. When activity in the account does not fit the profile, banks will notify federal authorities so they can investigate. Banks are expected to identify their customers, determine normal and expected transactions, monitor account transactions, and determine if a particular transaction should be reported. The FDIC has sent copies of the proposal to all banks and is asking for input. The questions asked by the FDIC in the proposal do not

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Nuts & Bolts: the ultimate trojan horse
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:30 PM 11/24/98 -0800, Tom Jud - US 5-200 Sales wrote: > >Call Today >To Receive A FREE Nuts & Bolt's '98 CD! What a perfect Trojan cover. A program that's *supposed* to scan your disk, and *supposed* to dial home for "updates". And its free, too!

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Welcome to Netscape AOL Instant Messenger (AIM)!
by Netscape AOL Instant Messenger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Welcome to Netscape AOL Instant Messenger! Thank you for confirming your Netscape AOL Instant Messenger account. We're glad you've joined the fastest growing Internet online community in the world. To help maintain an online environment that you feel comfortable with, you can set your own buddy controls. You can decide who can see if you're online as well as who can and can't get in touch with you while online. For your convenience, your controls have been initially set to allow other users to contact you online if they know either your e-mail address or your screen name. You may change your buddy controls any time when signed on to Netscape AOL Instant Messenger by doing the following: (On Windows): 1) Click on the "Netscape AOL Instant Messenger" button and select "Options" 2) Select "Edit Preferences" 3) Click on the "Controls" tab By entering the screennames of people for whom you would like to set special control settings (e.g., "block" the following users from contacting me or "allow" the following users to contact me) - you can maintain an online environment that is comfortable for you. In the future, you can change your settings by returning to the "Controls" area. Thanks for joining Netscape AOL Instant Messenger! Now you can instantly chat with your AOL and Internet friends with real-time text messages! You can even add your Internet friends to your Buddy List group. It's easy and it's FREE! Remember, to communicate instantly with friends on Internet, they have to register for Netscape AOL Instant Messenger too. Invite your friends to register by sending them a personalized invitation! Sending an invitation encouraging your friends to join is quick and convenient. All you have to do is the following: 1. Sign on to Netscape AOL Instant Messenger. 2. Click the "Netscape AOL Instant Messenger" button and select "Sign On A Friend." 3. Enter the e-mail addresses of your friends and co-workers. We'll send them an invitation -- personalized by you -- inviting them to join the Netscape AOL Instant Messenger service. For help and additional information, please visit our website http://www.netscape.com. For quick tips on getting started with Netscape AOL Instant Messenger, see the information below. See you in cyberspace! ------------------------------------------- Quick Tips on Getting Started ------------------------------------------- Signing On to Netscape AOL Instant Messenger Once you've registered, downloaded, and installed Netscape AOL Instant Messenger, you're ready to start using it. Here's what you need to do to sign on (the following instructions apply to Windows 95/NT): 1. First, make sure that you're connected to the Internet via your Internet Service Provider, school, or office network. 2. Launch Netscape AOL Instant Messenger by double-clicking the AOL Instant Messenger program icon. (If you aren't sure how to locate Netscape AOL Instant Messenger, click the Start menu and then select Programs. From Programs, select AOL Instant Messenger and then the AOL Instant Messenger program icon.) 3. When you see the "Sign On" window, type or select the screen name and password you chose during registration in the space provided and click the "Sign On" button. 4. Netscape AOL Instant Messenger will then sign you on. Setting Up Your Buddy List Once signed on, you'll see the main Netscape AOL Instant Messenger window which contains two tabs: a box with names in it, and a row of buttons at the bottom. This box is your Buddy List window, and it shows you the screen names of your buddies online. Your Buddy List window will have three sample groups that you can use to begin organizing your buddies: 1) Buddies; 2) Family, and 3) Co-Workers. (You can change the names of these groups by highlighting the group name and typing over it - or just add new ones.) Personalize your Buddy List by adding your friends' screen names. To add a new buddy, click on the "List Setup" tab, click the "Add Buddy" button, and type a friend's screen name. Do this for each buddy you want to add. To add a new group, click the "Add Group" button, and type the name of the new group (like "soccer team"). Once you've added your buddies, click the "Online" tab. If you can't remember someone's screen name, use the "Find a Buddy" function to first see if the person is a registered Netscape AOL Instant Messenger ser or not. If the person is a registered user, you can look up his or her screen name here. Sending Your Buddy an Instant Message When you see a buddy's name in your Buddy List, it means the person is online and that you can send your buddy an Instant Message (which is a private, personalized, text message). There are two ways to send an Instant Message: 1) Double-click on your buddy's screen name, and a "Send Instant Message" window will appear. Type your message in the bottom part of the window, and click "Send." Or, 2) Highlight your buddy's screen name and click on the "IM" button. (If your buddy's screen name is not on your Buddy List group, then click on the "IM" button and type in his or her screen name and a message.) Either way, after clicking the "Send" button, your message will "pop up" on your buddy's computer screen. Then your buddy can send messages back to you for an instant, private, one-to-one chat.

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NSA Scientific Advisory Board
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The NSA Scientific Advisory Board has been functioning since 1953: http://jya.com/nsa-sab97.htm The 1997 annual report briefly describes what it does and what it costs to do it. However, its closed meetings are not announced in the Federal Register as required by regulations governing such FACA orgs. Names of members, minutes and studies are not available. We've made a request for info to the NSA office which handles the matter (301) 688-6449. Any information on the board would be welcome. Skimpy annual reports on the NSA SAB, like the one for 1997 above, as well as for all other federal advisory committees, from 1972 to 1997 are available at: http://policyworks.gov/org/main/mc/index-r.htm

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