December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

IP: Military's secret plans for civilian 'preparedness'
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Military's secret plans for civilian 'preparedness' Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 10:45:04 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: World Net Daily http://www.WorldNetDaily.com/exclusiv/980928_domestic_rapid_depl.html ARMED AND DANGEROUS Domestic rapid deployment forces The military's secret plans for civilian 'preparedness' This report is part of a continuing series by WorldNetDaily on the militarization of federal government and America's civilian sector. By Joseph Farah Copyright 1998, WorldNetDaily.com Under the guise of preparedness for domestic terrorist attacks, the U.S. military is training thousands of local police officers, national guardsmen and other officials to respond to national emergencies under centralized federal authority and control, according to plans revealed by Defense Department sources. In addition, U.S. military forces are stepping up training exercises in American civilian population centers, prompting constitutional concerns in some quarters. The plans for military involvement in the civilian sector are a direct result of the "Defense Against Weapons of Mass Destruction Act of 1996," which mandated the federal government to develop response scenarios to domestic terrorist incidents involving nuclear, biological, chemical and radiological weapons. The legislation designated the Department of Defense as the lead agency in coordinating sweeping plans involving the Federal Emergency Management Agency, the FBI, Department of Energy, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Health and Human Services. Representatives of all these agencies meet monthly as the Senior Interagency Coordination Group, or SICG. The Defense Appropriations Act of 1997 added funding for the Pentagon "to improve the capability of the federal, state and local emergency response agencies." "The United States Army Chemical and Biological Defense Command leads interagency training development and city visits," H. Allen Holmes, assistant secretary of defense for special operations and low-intensity conflict, testified to the Strategic Forces Subcommittee of the Senate Armed Services Committee earlier this year. "Interagency teams coordinate with fire, police, emergency medical and hazardous material officials and tailor training to city requirements. Additionally, FEMA has developed a terrorism annex to the Federal Response Plan to ensure coordination across all agencies at all levels." In 1997, the Defense Department spent $30.5 million on the training and civil response aspects of the program, Holmes reported. An additional $10 million was dedicated to improving the U.S. Marine Corps Chemical-Biological Incident Response Force. This year, Congress allocated $50 million for the domestic preparedness program. Another $50 million is appropriated for the program in 1999. The money is for training purposes only. However, the Defense Department is lending equipment to state and local agencies, according to Holmes. The program calls for the National Guard to stand up 10 Rapid Assessment and Initial Detection teams in selected cities across the nation using 200 full-time active guardsmen and reservists. Members of Army Guard and reserve chemical companies will be trained next year to conduct searches for weapons of mass destruction. The goal of the domestic preparedness program is to train 120 cities by 2001 and to provide mechanism for every community in the nation to "leverage federal expertise," according to the Defense Department. The interagency team has trained more than 10,000 "first responder trainers" -- drawn from firefighting, law enforcement, emergency medical communities and emergency telephone operators and dispatchers -- in 30 cities, according to Defense Secretary William Cohen. Another 25 cities will receive training in the next year, he said. "Our program is specifically designed so that the people we train become trainers themselves," Cohen said earlier this month in a report to the Council on Foreign Relations titled "Security in a Grave New World." "This approach will greatly magnify our efforts to produce a core of qualified first responders across the nation." FEMA has compiled a master inventory containing information on the resources and capabilities of each agency involved in the program and what is available to state and local officials in emergency situations. However, the information on that inventory is not available to the public or the press -- only to federal and state emergency planners. Undisclosed surplus military equipment is being made available to state and local government agencies through this program. Some civil liberties groups have pointed out that the intense, coordinated rush to "fight terrorism" in America comes at an odd time -- given the government's own figures reporting a 25-year low in such attacks and incidents. The National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers points out, for instance, that the overwhelming majority of law enforcement's record number of applications to eavesdrop on people through electronic surveillance technology involves investigation into drug, racketeering and gambling offenses -- not terrorism. There was bipartisan support in Congress for giving the executive branch of government vast new, codified authority to plant wiretaps and electronic bugs and to confiscate property as a result of investigations in this effort to "combat terrorism." The 1996 law grants the president exclusive, unreviewable powers to designate groups "terrorist organizations." Under such powers, the government could deport suspects -- including permanent residents and non-immigrants -- based on "classified" or "secret evidence" under the cloak of national security. Another provision of the legislation requires banks to freeze assets of domestic groups and citizens deemed agents of such "terrorist organizations." There is no mechanism established to challenge such decisions by banks. In a development the Defense Department claims is unrelated to the terrorism plans, more actual combat training is taking place in urban centers. Earlier this month, Marines took part in such a training exercise in Maryland. Last month, a special unit of U.S. Marines with assault rifles conducted maneuvers in Birmingham, AL. These exercises are part of a program called "Training in the Urban Environment. " All of the operations, including the exact timing of the exercises, were kept secret from the public, raising concerns about civil liberties issues. Similar exercises have been conducted recently in Chicago, Jacksonville, FL, and other U.S. cities. The question on some minds is: Who exactly are the Marines preparing to wage war with in America's urban environments? The training is part of a certification program in "urban combat." The program includes missions, such as rescuing a pilot, which the Marines might be called to perform in foreign countries such as Somalia, military spokesmen say. Marine officials say the urban landscape adds a new dimension to the training the Marines have already received. © 1998 Western Journalism Center ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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cypherpunk license: PLEASE STEAL ME (Re: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 01:53:23 +0100 > From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > Subject: cypherpunk license: PLEASE STEAL ME (Re: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction) > OK, but it would seem to me that to interpret GPL in this way is in > violation of the spirit (and probably legal intent if interpreted by a > lawyer). Actualy this situation is specificaly addressed in the LGPL in regards header files and how they are the gray area in all this and probably indefensible in a court (it says this in the LGPL go look...www.gnu.org) As programmers this is what we want after all, the API to be described so we can replace those proprietary libraries and programs if we desire. Actualy you missed the obvious way to distribute commercial code and the (L)GPL will protect your propietary work.... In both licenses it is very specific in noting that a L/GPL'ed work that is subsumed in another causes that work to become L/GPL'ed by default. It further notes that there is NO implication that the use of commercial code/libraries in a L/GPL'ed work can be construed to L/GPL that proprietary code. How I do jobs for my customers is that I develop my programs and libraries I want to protect via copyright and then distribute them with a set of scripts and makefiles that during install build the end product. So the end user can enjoy the privileges of the L/GPL'ed code (ie can fix bugs and relink the libraries to their hearts content) and I protect my work. The catch is to make sure the makefiles and scripts are L/GPL'ed. You could even include gcc or egc on the distribution medium and use it to compile the resultant without worrying about your commercial code being subsumed. It is quite commen today for commercial houses to use gcc/egc to develop and distribute fully commercial code, the catch is that none of the end resultant code can come from L/GPL'ed sources. This harks back to my comment earlier today about the GNU/cash system being a perfect medium for the implimentation of crypto/e$ protocols. The catch is that you have to be willing to give up your claims to the stubs that must be placed in the L/GPL'ed product. If you can get away with using named pipes as buffers and T's then it becomes reasonably trivial to create a situation where one can inject non-L/GPL'ed code into the stream without the functional code so injected falling under the L/GPL. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Copyright may limit Internet (w/o encryption) [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9809/28/copyright.fight.ap/ > WASHINGTON (AP) -- When Lois Gibbs learned in 1978 that 20,000 tons of > toxic chemicals were buried under her Niagara Falls, N.Y., > neighborhood, she tried to make sense of all the information and > scientific names suddenly thrown at her. > > She turned to her local library, wading through medical journals and > old newspaper articles to understand the chemicals and the diseases > they caused. Gibbs credits this immediate access to information with > helping her organize parents in Love Canal and spread the word about > toxic dumps. > > Now, thanks to the Internet, there's more information than ever > before. But educators and librarians fear that average citizens won't > be able to get at it because of proposed changes in copyright laws. > > Congress is trying to balance protecting the work of authors, > songwriters and others with making important information available to > students and other researchers. > > The House and Senate could agree this week on legislation that would > implement two copyright treaties adopted in 1996 by the U.N. World > Intellectual Property Organization. > > Current "fair use" laws allow personal use of copyrighted material > without obtaining advance permission. Students can quote from books in > their research papers and cable systems can relay television programs, > for example. The new version could lead to the encryption of some > material, keeping it out of the hands of anyone without a password or > other authorization. > > Hollywood and publishing industry officials say they are not trying to > keep information from the general public. But they want to protect the > work of their artists and writers from being downloaded and mass > distributed with a few keystrokes. > > "Everyone hopes that the Internet will become a great resource for > education, entertainment and commerce," said Allan Adler, vice > president for legal and governmental affairs at the Association of > American Publishers. "But one of the problems is that the medium > represents an extraordinary capability for flawless reproduction and > instantaneous distribution." [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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NSA on TDC....
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, There is a show on TDC right now (21:09 Ctl.) on the NSA. Has some interesting shots of their CRITIC center as well as a brief discussion of their computing resources. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Letter to Editor on Censorship
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monday 9/28/1998's San Mateo County Times had a really strong, if slightly naive, editorial in favor of the First Amendment protections on speech and the press. Among other things, it was quite positive about the fact that the Starr Report was able to be widely published in spite of content that would have been censored in the past, and that it would be hard to imagine how we'd explain to future generations 25 or 50 years from now that we'd covered up this important part of the historical record just because its content was vulgar. Heh. Their heart's in the right place... To: Editor, San Mateo County Times, Thank you for Monday's great editorial supporting freedom of speech. Unfortunately, it's a right preserved only by hard work, and getting recognition for all forms of speech beyond just ink on paper is an ongoing struggle. Publishing the Starr Report on the Internet would have been illegal if the EFF, ACLU, and publishers hadn't challenged the "Communications Decency Act", which the Supreme Court threw out 9-0, and unlike Nixon's tapes, a few "Expletive Deleted"s can't clean up the Starr Report. As your editorial says "it would be hard to imagine", but censors are still at it - a Congressional committee just passed a reworded version, hoping they can get away with "protecting minors" as a loophole. Some people contend that the First Amendment doesn't protect rude language, only political speech. But if you oppose campaign finance limits, they'll contend that elections are too important to allow unregulated political speech on TV or newspapers. And Joe Camel? He's illegal too. Meanwhile, the range of opinions on TV and radio is quite narrow - big corporations and government public broadcasting buy up the few TV licenses, while the FCC bans low-power broadcasters who can provide a diversity of opinion, and most cities grant monopolies on cable TV networks. And FBI director Louis Freeh, in his push for expanded wiretaps, has been using Anti-Communist Cold War restrictions on exporting encryption software to keep foreigners and Americans from using tools that allow them to talk privately without censorship. Eternal vigilance is still the price of liberty. ================ Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: cypherpunk license: PLEASE STEAL ME (Re: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 03:22:27 +0100 > From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: cypherpunk license: PLEASE STEAL ME (Re: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction) (fwd) > Yes, I know, I have read LGPL a few times, and it does include the > sorts of exceptions you describe. But I said GPL, and GPL is the > license which I was suggesting causes problems. As I said, LGPL is > sort of useable. GPL and LGPL both support fully this model of commercial use of L/GPL'ed code. > Right, this is the major sticking point for commercial people I find. I find most commercial people lack imagination, though they make up for it with a desire for money. > Yes, but the more interesting, less restrictive case is where they > really want to modify the code. cf the example I gave of say adding > pgp5 compatibility to pgp26ui. There would be no significant problem if you include the necessary stubs and make them L/GPL'ed. By both the L/GPL the use of 3rd party code (L/GPL'ed, PD, or proprietary) hanging off those stubs would NOT be L/GPL'ed. > I think that if you modify to any significant extent a GPL peice of > software, and try to sell it you could run into problems. There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the L/GPL that prevents me from selling such code at whatever price I can manage to charge for it, I could even change it significantly. I, however, MUST include the source code or provide it for a reasonable fee if requested by the end user. Your point is irrelevant. Now if I try to sell it as (my) *copyrighted* code then I'm in for a world of hurt and justifiably so. This, again, desire to take advantage of others work is the hallmark of thieves and marketing droids (if there is a difference between the two). > Your legal > bill for trying to work out how bad it is will be expensive. Will be nil. The L/GPL themselves clearly state they don't override previous copyrights of material that might be used with L/GPL'ed products. That L/GPL subsumption ONLY applies to code that is built using L/GPL'ed source. In other words for the L/GPL to be inovked on your code requires that you use somebodies elses L/GPL'ed code in (NOT with) your code. This is clearly understood by businesses that do use gcc/egc in that they use no libraries, headers, etc. from L/GPL sources, develop them in-house or buy them from 3rd parties. They only use the compiler/linker/tools to get hooked together. > If you want to be creative, you could do what you want to it ignoring > the license, then provide a binary patch from their binary to your > binary. Or whatever. Commercial lawyers are cautious animals though, > so because you could theoretically hack around things does not mean > that some company's lawyer is going to recommend that they do it. The goal of the L/GPL is NOT to stop commercial programming, it is to return to the end user a level of control and understanding (at least in principle) so they may build a system to do what they want and not some marketing droid at a multi-national. This is NO hack, it is specificaly detailed in the L/GPL as a legitimate use of such licensed code. > That aspect of LGPL (availability of source) is useful to the extent > that it encourages people to make source of the crypto parts > available. No, it suggests they should make the API definition available. As to it being useful, it is critical to the long term stability of systems and the continued development of imaginative software. > Use of GNU development tools is a different, and more straight forward > issue than using GNU licensed code. Only if you don't understand the L/GPL. > The point remains: the simplest and best thing to do about licenses if > you are more concerned about crypto deployment than source > availability is not to use GPL, and probably to avoid LGPL also. No, the best thing to do is build your copyrighted libraries and release the API's via headerfiles or whatever in the GPL'ed code. > Use BSD, use PD, either is better than GPL for the purpose. No, they're not because in PD you loose ALL control of your code and if somebody else uses it in a commercial app or not then you're pretty much screwed as they laugh their asses off on the way to the bank. Considering the extend of BSD that would be the last choice of an OS that I would bank my business on. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Cypherpunks defeat? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Eric Murray <ericm(a)lne.com> > Subject: Re: Cypherpunks defeat? > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 19:56:16 -0700 (PDT) > using plastic. But it's ok for the merchant to offer 'discounts' for > buyers who use cash instead of credit cards. That 'discount' > is the real price of the goods with the credit-card surcharge > subtracted. Often that's 3-4%, sometimes as low as 1.2%. I haven't seen that in 10 years or more. I doubt that anyone will find this approach very widely. > Visa and MasterCard don't have massive staffs and huge office > buildings because they're dumb. You don't know big corporations very well do you. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: [salman rushdie]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 9/27/98, A Cypherpunk Who Wishes Not To Have His Name Used Here wrote to me: > In article <3.0.5.32.19980926215457.00ad1510(a)idiom.com> Bill Stewart wrote: > > If there's cypherpunks relevance to this, it's that cryptographic > > privacy and digital cash payments make it easier to publish > > controversial material without the threat of violence against you. > > On the other hand, privacy and digital cash payments make it > easier to hire and reward hit men. > > You may not like it, but there's no sense in pretending it isn't so. True enough, though in Rushdie's case, the social environment provided enough protection that the murder could be called for, the reward could be offered, and several of Rushdie's associates could be murdered without any resort to crypto. At least if you want to publish something that you _know_ will annoy people enough that they want to kill you, you can do it more safely if you've got a range of options for anonymity. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Cypherpunks defeat? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:13:36 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: Re: Cypherpunks defeat? (fwd) > At 10:06 PM 9/28/98 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > I haven't seen that in 10 years or more. I doubt that > > anyone will find this approach very widely. > > I find this invariably happens with buying computers or guns > from cheap sources. If you have never encountered this, you > are paying too much for your computers and your guns.=20 What in the world do you mean 'cheap sources'? I doubt I'm paying too much for my hardware. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Army Plonks
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now that the terrified US Army has axed its Web sites, and NSA and several other mil sites seem inaccessible and "temporarily unavailable" this morning, could this portend a dual-use of the Internet, a closed one for porkbarrell mil and secret gov sweethearts and a sappy infotainment one for civilians to gameboy infofoolery? That would be a tri-power-gov implementation of dual-use terror-scare to hide perkbellied privileges of natsec obsession.

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Re: Cypherpunks defeat? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 21:05:34 -0700 > From: "James A. Donald" <jamesd(a)echeque.com> > Subject: Re: Cypherpunks defeat? > On the contrary, it is the server end that is hard. > The problem is that we do not want to force everyone in the > universe to be the clients of a single giant issuer. That > would bring us right back to the old problem of the > tyrannical and oppressive central bank. This would argue that what is needed is a distributed server-less protocol. A peer-to-peer mechanism with a local arbitration mechanism. > Visualize the following situation. I buy tokens from Bob, > who may be my local ISP. I spend them on a server on a site > in Sri Lanka. The owner of the server cashes them with > Evonne. My money, aggregated with a multitude of other > peoples money in a multitude of other peoples transactions > flows by some complex and indirect route to through several > different people, and eventually to Evonne, and finally to > the owner of the server in Sri Lanka. Whatever that protocol is, it should take care of currency conversion transparently. Perhaps the wrong approach has been taken from the get go. As I understand the various approaches every one of the has worried about how to get the users money transfered into digital tokens. What if we approach it from the other end and ask: How can one design a system which focuses on how a users token cache and converting it to the appropriate currency as required can be realized Further, this mechanism should not rely on any centralized server or arbitration mechanism while doing this specie conversion. One potential mechanism (admittedly very roughly described) would be to let each participant in a transaction to agree on the worth of those tokens and not worry if Bob gets the same bank per token from Sam that he gets from Sue. So how many tokens Bob gets from Sam each time Sam buys one of Bob's used CD's wouldn't necessarily be the same number of tokens from Sue, even though Bob charges the same amount to both Sam and Sue. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Remailers, PGP, and a Project Suggestion
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> So, what you are saying is that you want crypto to protect yourself >from government intrusion, but are unwilling to actually WRITE the code for >fear that the government will lock you up. That's about right. I will write the code for myself. I will not release it since I'm in the U.S. and it gives the thugs one more reason to come after me. That job is better suited for somebody who is outside the U.S. or is actually willing to sit through a long grand jury investigation, possible indictment, trial, conviction, jail time, and life as a convicted felon.

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Toto -- mimic function or the real thing (Re: no subject)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back writes: >Who knows, if it is Toto, he has been rather careful not to sign >anything recently :-). > >(If he were to sign things it might be helpful for Carl >Johnson... Toto?) He could have been one of the guys sending the insults to the spammers (which I applaud, mind you) and who got into that argument with Paul Meril, but the wording isn't anywhere near what we've come to expect from Toto. The two gay sex responses to one of the Six Degrees of Spam users sounds just like something he might do. If Toto has been here all along, I think this is one of the most clever hoaxes which has hit the list in a long time.

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New copyright law coming...
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

More back room bullshit to screw with us: <http://www.sjmercury.com/business/center/copyright092698.htm> This article talks about a new copyright law slithering through congress. They're back...

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Re: Mailing-List
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Our mailing list is devoted to the intelligent people who are fighting fo our freedom using crypto. although you may fall into the category of enjoying crypto you are obviously stupid and therefore not what this list is aimed at. An intelligent person would ot have sent a message to all the people on the list asking a dumb question. There are also a number of hackers on our list and annoying them means flames galore (possibly) My advice is to get an aol account where you will be welcomed At 03:16 AM 9/28/98 , you wrote: > >Please email me information about your mailing-list. >

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FWD: California Anti-Spam Legislation Signed
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded from two CYBERIA-L articles: -------------------------------------- According to a CNET article, yesterday Gov. Wilson signed into law two pieces of legislation regulating spam. The first bill requires (1) special labels on the e-mail, (2) either a real e-mail address or an 800 number permitting the recipient to be removed from the distribution list, and (3) penalties if violated. The second bill (1) permits ISPs to sue spammers for damages to their systems and (2) outlaws "spoofing." (I haven't read the text of the statutes, so my description is a summary of what the article says.) Article is at: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C26859%2C00.html?dd.ne.tx.ts1.0928 "Both bills go into effect January 1. [The second] provision applies to email providers that have equipment located in the state. [The first] provision affects spammers who are located in the state or those who send unsolicited bulk email to computer users who reside in California." ------------------------------------- The text of the bill follows the URL which does a better job with the strike outs than the plain text appended below. http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/bill/asm/ab_1651-1700/ab_1676_bill_980820_ame… Sorry the email width would not handle the URL on one line but ascii text follows: BILL NUMBER: AB 1676 AMENDED BILL TEXT AMENDED IN SENATE AUGUST 20, 1998 AMENDED IN SENATE JUNE 30, 1998 AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY APRIL 28, 1998 AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY MARCH 26, 1998 AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY MARCH 12, 1998 INTRODUCED BY Assembly Member Bowen (Coauthors: Assembly Members Brown, Campbell, Kuehl, Leach, Martinez, and Mazzoni) (Coauthors: Senators Dills, Karnette, O'Connell, Solis, Vasconcellos, and Watson) JANUARY 14, 1998 An act to amend Section 17538.4 of the Business and Professions Code, relating to advertising. LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST AB 1676, as amended, Bowen. Advertising: electronic mail. Existing law prohibits a person conducting business in this state from faxing unsolicited advertising material, unless certain conditions are satisfied. This bill would expand that prohibition to include the transmission of unsolicited advertising by electronic mail (e-mail), and would make several related changes. This bill would become inoperative if federal law on this subject is enacted. Existing law provides for the regulation of advertising and provides that a violation of those provisions is a crime. This bill, by creating additional prohibitions with regard to advertising, would expand the scope of an existing crime, thereby imposing a state-mandated local program. The California Constitution requires the state to reimburse local agencies and school districts for certain costs mandated by the state. Statutory provisions establish procedures for making that reimbursement. This bill would provide that no reimbursement is required by this act for a specified reason. Vote: majority. Appropriation: no. Fiscal committee: yes. State-mandated local program: yes. THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS: SECTION 1. Section 17538.4 of the Business and Professions Code is amended to read: 17538.4. (a) No person or entity conducting business in this state shall facsimile (fax) or cause to be faxed, or electronically mail (e-mail) or cause to be e-mailed, documents consisting of unsolicited advertising material for the lease, sale, rental, gift offer, or other disposition of any realty, goods, services, or extension of credit unless: (1) In the case of a fax, that person or entity establishes a toll-free telephone number that a recipient of the unsolicited faxed documents may call to notify the sender not to fax the recipient any further unsolicited documents. (2) In the case of e-mail, that person or entity establishes a toll-free telephone number or valid sender operated return e-mail address that the recipient of the unsolicited documents may call or e-mail to notify the sender not to e-mail any further unsolicited documents. (b) All unsolicited faxed or e-mailed documents subject to this section shall include a statement informing the recipient of the toll-free telephone number that the recipient may call, or a valid return address to which the recipient may write or e-mail, as the case may be, notifying the sender not to fax or e-mail the recipient any further unsolicited documents to the fax number, or numbers, or e-mail address, or addresses, specified by the recipient. In the case of faxed material, the statement shall be in at least nine-point type. In the case of e-mail, the statement shall be the first text in the body of the message and shall be of the same size as the majority of the text of the message. (c) Upon notification by a recipient of his or her request not to receive any further unsolicited faxed or e-mailed documents, no person or entity conducting business in this state shall fax or cause to be faxed or e-mail or cause to be e-mailed any unsolicited documents to that recipient. (d) In the case of e-mail, this section shall apply when the unsolicited e-mailed documents are delivered to a California resident via an electronic mail service provider's service or equipment located in this state. For these purposes "electronic mail service provider" means any business or organization qualified to do business in this state that provides individuals, corporations, or other entities the ability to send or receive electronic mail through equipment located in this state and that is an intermediary in sending or receiving electronic mail. 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(h) An employer who is the registered owner of more than one e-mail address may notify the person or entity conducting business in this state e-mailing or causing to be e-mailed, documents consisting of unsolicited advertising material for the lease, sale, rental, gift offer, or other disposition of any realty, goods, services, or extension of credit of the desire to cease e-mailing on behalf of all of the employees who may use employer-provided and employer-controlled e-mail addresses. (i) This section, or any part of this section, shall become inoperative on and after the date that federal law is enacted that prohibits or otherwise regulates the transmission of unsolicited advertising by electronic mail (e-mail). SEC. 2. 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Unix virus
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

aside from the fact that for a virus to correctly write to files on the unix system you would need to have suffficiant read/write access, you are obviously too stupid to be able to accomplish this successfully. One way to ruin the system would be with a gun, that is about the best that you will be able to do considering your intellect.

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Health And wealh -62803
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17 Dec '03

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by STUFFED NEWS DAILY 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Bill Gates Jokes
by Leif Ericksen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a top ten list of how to Irritate Bill Gates... To funny to not post! > > Today's MailBits.com Joke: > > >From the Home Office in Wahoo, Nebraska, > it's the Top Ten List for April 21, 1998 > > Top Ten Ways to Irritate Bill Gates > > > 10. Steal his "nerdboy" license plate. > > 9. Accuse him of sexually harassing your laser jet printer. > > 8. Beat his high score on Tetris. > > 7. Ask him if they caught the guy who did that to his hair. > > 6. Tell him you heard he's "microsoft." > > 5. Leave his Spock ears on your dashboard so they melt. > > 4. Let the air out of the tires on the Gatesmobile. > > 3. Drop hints that Oprah's richer than he is. > > 2. WWW him right in the dot-com. > > 1. Two words: dork tax. > > > ======== > Did you see today's advertiser (above)? > > They need you to fill out surveys--and they'll PAY YOU! > > Have a look. > ======== > > > > ==> Want to forward this mailing to a friend? Go ahead! But > be sure to forward the whole message (including the > copyright notice below). > > > (C) Copyright MailBits.com 1998. To subscribe to this free > mailing, go to http://www.MailBits.com/Jokes or, for > automatic subscription, send email to Jokes(a)MailBits.com > > > > ____________________ > This email is part of your joke-a-day subscription. You can > cancel your subscription at any time by going to > http://www.mailbits.com/ or by sending email to > jokes.unsubscribe(a)mailbits.com > > Know a (clean) joke? Send it to SubmitJokes(a)MailBits.com > > To contact us, email feedback(a)mailbits.com > > > - lhe

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Re: Joe Farah 9/14 (Pppbbbttt)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Everybody's belief/morals are different. For instance I take that last paragraph of yours and laugh at it. To many americans doing so would not be immoral because many people don't believe in god. Your moral yardstick would be different from mine. People in the bible belt have different morals from those in las vegas. If I had religous right morals I'd kill myself. ---Richard.Bragg(a)ssa.co.uk wrote: > > >>Almost 60 percent of those polled said they thought Clinton was fit to be > >>president. By what standard? That's the trouble. Americans have no > >>standards -- no unchangeable yardsticks by which they measure right and > >>wrong, truth from fiction. > > >By *their* standard, by their own personal judgement. There's no moral > >yardstick, and God help us if there is in the future. Who makes the > >yardstick? Who sits down and says, "This is the moral standard in this > >country, abide by it or suffer the consequences"? > > Sorry but there are absolutes and there is a moral yardstick. Whether this > is accepted or not is beside the point. > > There has to be absolutes otherwise any action can be excused (or damned). > The real cry should be > "God help us to instigate Your yardstick". God doesn't change and neither > does His measure. > > 1)Love the Lord, with all your heart, with all you soul with all your mind > and all your strength > 2)Love you neibour as yourself. > > Everything else hangs on these. > > > == "The same thing we do every night Pinkey, try to take over the WORLD!" - The brain _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: Democracy...
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The government can't make laws favoring one religion thereby restricting another religion. The urban legend that it was only meant to stop government from restricting a religion was a misquote from some misguided pastor. Separation of church and state is just that, that is what the country was founded on. This is also a thread for the lists and newsgroups that it was intended for. ---Jaeger <Jaeger(a)hempseed.com> wrote: > > well, the first amendment is what I expected to be used... > unfortunately, the phrase "...wall of separation between church and > state" is not taken from the first amendment. It is taken from a letter > written by Thomas Jefferson... and the meaning is not that church > shouldn't have an effect on the state. The state CAN support one > religion over another. In context, the phrase simply explains that the > government can't make laws that RESTRICT religious practice or doctrinal > issues. The state CAN make laws that encourage the practice of any one > particular religion, as long as the laws do not RESTRICT the PRACTICE of > other religions. Making people uncomfortable isn't a constitutional > reason to overturn a law. > > btw, notice the wording in the first amendment...it only restricts gov't > restrictions on religion. > > Jaeger > > > Gee, check out the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Also the > > first > > item in the Bill of Rights. "Congress shall make no law respecting the > > > > establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." > > > > (from memory, so don't bother me with minor wording corrections.) > > > > By standard convention, this is also referred to as "separation of > > church > > and state." > > > > As with the clueless AOLers yakking about an "Assimov" story they read > > a > > couple of years ago in the 5th grade, you bozos need to get educated > > and > > spend a minute or two thinking before writing. > > > > > > == "The same thing we do every night Pinkey, try to take over the WORLD!" - The brain _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 18:41:25 -0700 > Jim Choate wrote: > > The only objection to releasing an API is to > > stifle competition, *THAT* is a bad thing. > > There are a number of other reasons -- principally support and backwards > compatibility costs. If you release an API for a commercial application > for ISVs, you better make sure it is relatively bug-free and mature. As > soon as someone else's code relies on that API, you are stuck with > making sure it continues to work as the product evolves. This is bogus reasoning. If the API is released there is *more* motivation for the original distributor to keep backward compatibility and bug-free. If it isn't some pissed off set of programmers will write a replacement. Furthermore the motivation to keep future compatibility is also increased. You want quality code that is bullet-proof then release the API and let the fittest survive. If nothing else it's going to determine if your as bad-assed programmer as you think you are. > There is nothing wrong with public and private APIs, and we hope that > the ad hoc private APIs from some midnight-oil-burning-hack to get the > product to ship on time that have useful functionality will eventually > be integrated into a mature public API. If you release the API you'll find those midnight hacks go away, *not* increase as you seem to be claiming. The history of quality over time of the Open Software producers amply proves this. Solaris, HP, BSD, NT, etc. *wish* they were as stable and popular as Linux. > Modular OOP design means you have lots of interfaces, you don't > necessarily want people to be able to dig in-between all the pieces of > your program -- often you cannot protect application/data integrity if > they do. Malarky. If you're data structures are that fragile then you need to go back to the drawing board. > > Had Microsoft, for example, been required to publish their > > API's by the market we wouldn't be spending all this effort > > You state free-market and then you are *requiring* someone to do > something? How do you resolve that contradiction? Require = Force != > Free[dom] Free-market *requires* fair competition, don't blame that requirement on me I had nothing to do with it. Free-market does not mean carte blanche as to what manufacturers can do, it means there are no outside regulations applied. It says *nothing* about internal regulation applied by either the producer or the consumer. If you are seriously saying that the only workable market scheme is to let people cheat and steal from others (which is what poorly written and unreliable code does) then you need to quit typing and starting thinking. > As far as *commercial* software vendors go, Microsoft is one of the > better companies for publishing APIs and creating useful APIs and tools Malarky. Microsoft has so many hidden, undocumented, incomplete API's it isn't even funny. > for Rapid Application Development. Do you subscribe to MSDN? Please do > before you crucify Microsoft for lack of APIs, if anything they have too > many. Subscribe to the MSDN? I work for Tivoli in Austin as a Senior Software Verification Engineer. I spend about 8-10 hours a day banging on software running on: SunOS 4.x Solaris 2.x HP/UX 9.x HP/UX 10.x AIX 3.x AIX 4.x WinNT 4.0 WinNT 3.51 W4W W3.11 OS/2 3.x OS/2 4.x AS/400 Novell 3.x Novell 4.x IRIX 4.x IRIX 5.x DG Unix Digital Unix NextStep networked via, TCP/IP IPX SNA Token Ring databases we support, Oracle Sybase Informix DB2 DBMX I've also worked on: Pick Linux (since 0.42) QNX SCO Interactive BSD CP/M C64 AmigaDOS 4DOS It requires that I comprehend and write shell scripts, Perl, C, C++, REXX, 4TEST, CORBA IDL on these platforms. I started analog and digital electronics in 1969, I started programming in BASIC/8 on a PDP 8/e in 1973. I built my first 6800 based machines from the ground up in 1974 when I was a freshman in high school. I've been employed in a hardware or software position since 1978 when I graduated high school. I've owned more different types of machines than I care to remember. I've worked in a science museum building 40 exhibits over 7 years (2 of which are in the Smithsonian, 1 is at the Exploratorium and 1 is at the Chicago Museum of Science and Technology, and I worked on the IBM Leonardo exhibit.) and had the pleasure of running their computer group for 5 of those years. I taught astronomy at the museum for 3 years and explained exhibits to the visitors for 7 years. I've been using MS Dos and Windows since the 1.0 days. I worked for the DoD building non-Von Neumann computers (RTL architecture). I hold a NASA certification (expired) for space rated soldering and mechanical assembly. I used to work on cesium beam atomic clocks and LORAN-C equipment. I run my own custom development business since 1984, and it's been on the internet since 1994 via ISDN. I've been running a BBS of some sort since '76 and had one continously online since '83. I helped develop TurBoard the first NAPLPS bbs software. I program in assembly on PDP/VAX 11, 6800, 6502, 8080, z80, 68k, 80x86, Sparc RISC, both types of POWER chips, & 8051. My current assignment is to build an automated software test engine that will test *all* the above OS'es with all the Tivoli products (are you familiar with Tivoli?), with all the point-patches, maintenance releases, and service packs installed in a user defined combinatorial environment. Microsoft's API's suck rocks. What do you do for a living? ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:14:50 -0400 > From: Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> > Subject: Re: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 07:09:51PM -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > | > | The problem with your interpretation is that in a sense you want your cake and > | eat it too. In short you want to be able to use somebody elses code in your > | product without their having a say in how their code is used or receiving a > | cut of the profits. The GPL/LGPL is specificaly designed to prevent this. > > > I'll suggest that in a security context, having ones cake and > eating it too may not be such a bad thing. Only if you're the author or publisher and your goal is to watch your bank account grow to exclusion of all else, everybody else gets screwed. > If I can develop a > commercial product with crypto code thats been made available to the > community, then there is a lower chance the code will contain bogosity > in its security critical functions. > > The GPL (not the LGPL) specifically prevents this with the > best of intentions. Prevents what, releasing commercial code within a L/GPL'ed context? No, it doesn't. What it does do is *guarantee* that the customer has some chance of understanding what his code does (it's called code review and is highly regarded in crypto algorithm analysis circles) and makes sure the original L/GPL'ed holder has a stake in any commercial ventures the *source* code is used in. I'd say that's a win-win for everyone except those who want something for nothing so they can buy a new expensive do-dad. I'll say it again, neither the GPL or the LGPL prevent fully commercial code development. *HOWEVER* to do that within the context *requires* that the API to your commercial applications be released and available. This is a good thing. The only objection to releasing an API is to stifle competition, *THAT* is a bad thing. The idea from a free-market perspective: The idea is that while the actual source code is protectable the API is not so that *fair* competition can be ensured. The whole free-market theory must exist in a fairly competitive market. In the context of software that means full and open API's so that alternate but compatible libraries can exist and the consumer (not the manufacturer, the hallmark of a competitively impoverished market) can decide which is the most reliable and stable version. Had Microsoft, for example, been required to publish their API's by the market we wouldn't be spending all this effort and money on the current proceedings. That would be a win-win for everyone (well except Bill who probably wouldn't be worth a value equivalent to the holdings of 40+M US citizens combined). Anyone who objects to published API's is aware their code is trivial and not worth it's price or their code is written poorly and easily improved upon. Bottem line, if you believe in a free-market (which requires fair competition to work and prevent monopolies) and object to releasing your API's then you're a hypocrit. Having your cake and eating it too *never* works, except in Wonderland. There should be no objection to making oneself wealthy, but not at the expense of others. Let the quality of your product define your reputation, not your greed. Become the best supplier of niche code there is because the code is well fast, failure tolerant, and reliable - not because you've managed to squeeze all potential competitors out. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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GOLD IN BOLIVIA
by bluesky17＠mailexcite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

INTRODUCTION SUN RIVER MINING, INC. offers investors an incredible ground-floor investment opportunity in a company that is slated to begin producing gold during 1999 at a cash cost of less than US$100 per ounce! Sun River Mining went public in September and trades on the NASDAQ OTC electronic bulletin board under the symbol "SUNR". Sun River Mining is tightly-held (insiders hold 7.8 million shares), has a limited float (approximately 1.5 million shares) and is not very widely known. The Company's primary business is the acquisition, exploration and development of placer gold projects in Bolivia, with the goal of becoming Bolivia's largest and lowest-cost alluvial gold producer. The management team has over 60 years of placer mining experience. THE COMPANY Sun River Mining, through its Bolivian subsidiary, North Bolivian Investment S.A. has entered into a Letter of Understanding Agreement with Aluvion S.A. and its shareholders to acquire up to an 81% equity interest in Aluvion, which is a Bolivian company holding mineral concessions in the Tipuani River basin. Aluvion management has extensive dredging experience in alluvial / placer gold prospects and owns hydraulic excavation equipment. The Company has obtained a report on the Tipuani River prospects of Aluvion from the respected mining and engineering firm in Denver, Colorado of Watts, Griffis & McOuat, Limited ("WGM"). The Report concluded that "there are indeed significant volumes of unmined uriferous gravels to justify interest in establishing commercial operations based on these deposits." WGM recommended additional drilling of prospects for evaluation purposes, and that negotiations to reduce royalty interests in the concessions begin. The company is currently seeking funding sources and / or oint venture partners to provide capital for the pursuit of the Aluvion S.A.opportunities. The Letter of Understanding Agreement requires aggregate payments of $7,189,000 to complete a 74.324% equity interest acquisition of Aluvion, of which over $400,00 has been advanced to Aluvion with $5.57 million due January 31, 1999 and a further $1.2 million to be paid out of production. Further, $2.5 million additional paid in capital would increase SUNR's equity interest in Aluvion to 81%. There are on-going negotiations with several financing sources; however, the Company has not received a binding commitment for such funds at this time, nor are there guarantees or assurances that such a financing can be arranged on terms acceptable to Sun River Mining. Sun River Mining's Denver-area location allows it to tap into a wealth of local technical, financial and operational expertise. Other Colorado-based firms with major property positions as well as operating and developing mines in Bolivia include: Orvana Resources (developing the Don Mario and Pederson gold projects), Granges, Inc. (undertaking feasibility studies on the Capa Circa and Amayapampa deposits), and Golden Eagle International. MANAGEMENT Among operating companies, a key component of success is the experience of the management team. If Sun River Mining acquires Aluvion S.A., it will have the benefit of Gaston Fernandez (currently the President of Aluvion) who has 45 years of mining experience, mostly in dredging operations in South America. Mr. Fernandez was Chief Engineer on the Kaka River dredge operated by South America Placers, Inc. from 1957 - 1965, using the same dredge that Sun River Mining / Aluvion intends to acquire, refurbish and use on the Tipuani & Kaka River projects. His son, Marcelo Fernandez, is a mining engineer with over 20 years of placer mining experience (a graduate of the Colorado School of Mines), who is employed by Aluvion as technical and operations manager for the Lower Tipuani and Kaka River gold projects. THE PROSPECTS Lower Tipuani. The Lower Tipuani prospects cover approximately 8 km along the Tipuani River between the towns of Guanay and Tipuani. Guanay is located 105 kilometers north of LaPaz, Bolivia, and is connected with LaPaz by a 230-km paved, gravel and dirt road (a new paved road is under construction). In the Lower Tipuani area, the river is 30 to 60 meters wide and up to 10 meters deep. All of the necessary infrastructure is in place, including a 100-man base camp, access roads and high voltage hydroelectric power lines. An environmental impact study has been completed and approved by the Bolivian government. The one remaining permit necessary to begin construction, the "environmental operating license", takes about 60 days to receive (Aluvion needs to provide Bolivian government with information on the equipment to be used and a schedule for the exploitation phase). Planned mining operations would involve dredging, washing and filtering river gravels to recover free particles of gold and produce dore bars (> 95% Au). With no chemical processes involved, mining and processing operations do not pose the risk of introducing into the environment the chemicals used to recover gold by many other mining projects. The Lower Tipuani alluvials would be mined out over a four-year span (1999 - 2002). During this period, Aluvion projects recovering over 257,000 ounces of gold, or an average of 64,300 ounces per year. Cash operating costs are estimated at US$93 per ounce (these projections have been reviewed by Watts, Griffis & McOuat). Kaka River. Subject to financing, operations are currently projected to begin in the year 2000; gravel deposits, if economically producable, could last for an estimated minimum 20 year mine life (this prospect is not subject to seasonal shutdowns during the rainy season). Sun River Mining / Rio Del Sol have entered into a letter of intent with Central Cooperative Teoponte, which represents nine local cooperatives operating along the Kaka River. Subject to funding and performance requirements, the Kaka River properties are expected to be acquired in return for a production royalty (no cash / shares / debt). NEW LISTING ("SUNR" on OTC:BB) GOLD PRODUCTION PROJECTED TO BEGIN IN 1999 PROJECTED ANNUAL PRODUCTION OF > 150,000 oz/yr @ US$96/oz FOR MORE INFORMATION CONTACT: SUN RIVER MINING, INC. Suite 201 5353 Manhattan Circle Boulder, Colorado 80303 USA Phone: (303) 543 - 8434 WATTS, GRIFFIS & McOUAT REPORT NOTE: For those on the internet who do not want to recieve exciting messages such as this..... * To be removed from our mailing list, call us direct @ 702-257-8547 ext 143 for removal. *We strive to comply with all state and federal laws and to send ads only to interested parties. *This ad is not intended for nor do we knowingly send to Washington State residents. * OR CLICK_HERE_TO_GOTO_REMOVE-LIST.COM (http://remove-list.com) Remove-List is a free public service offering to help the general public get removed from commercial mailings lists and has not sent this message. If you want their help please add your name to their list and we you will not receive a commercial email from us or any other member bulk emailer. * Responding to the "return address" will NOT have your name removed.

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Army Plonks (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:30:38 -0400 > From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > Subject: Army Plonks > Now that the terrified US Army has axed its Web sites, and > NSA and several other mil sites seem inaccessible and > "temporarily unavailable" this morning, could this portend > a dual-use of the Internet, a closed one for porkbarrell mil and > secret gov sweethearts and a sappy infotainment one for civilians > to gameboy infofoolery? > > That would be a tri-power-gov implementation of dual-use > terror-scare to hide perkbellied privileges of natsec obsession. It's called milnet and it's been in existance ever since about '83. It occured when ARPA became DARPA. I was working on a DoD project at UT Austin at the time. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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complex mathematical formulae
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I hope http://www.jya.com/itl-news.htm enjoys black and white. "complex mathematical formulae" aka pseduomathematics Then, in late 1942, the Royal Navy switched codes to the one-time pad system. The Nazi tap was lost forever because the pad system is unbreakable in both theory as well as practice. U-boats could no longer ambush helpless ships like wolves on sheep. Convoy after convoy arrived safe and intact, protected in the armor of an unbreakable code system. The U-boats had to change tactics. http://www.us.net/softwar/ Germany used the enigma algorithm and machine. Japan used the purple algorithm. And look what happened to them! I hope all of this helps Charles R Smith's business. http://www.softwar.net/plight.html Title: Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms Jump to Forum Click Image to Jump to Next Article Go to Text Only Print Version Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms by William H. Payne This article requires special formatting. Please Click Here to Read Send This Article to a Friend: Your Name: Email Address of your Friend: Your Email address: Back to Home Page Quick Menu Visit the Button Shop Interactive Forum Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms E-mail the Editor

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Re: Meriweather v. Gates
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Reply-To: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > > It's an ironic indication of where we are that Bill Gates is being hounded > by the Justice Department, Sun Microsystems, Netscape, Novell, and Ralph > Nader while no one is hounding John Meriwether. In fact, the Federal > Reserve System, nominally nongovernmental (wink wink) just helped to bail > out his firm, Long-Term Capital Management. > > Gates, you see, has a non-leveraged investment of $50 billion in Microsoft. > No borrowing, no margin debt, just plain old-fashioned ownership. And a monopoly that doesn't need a bailout. > Meriwether, on the other hand, started in 1991 and took in money from > speculators. He took the $2.2 billion and borrowed with it, hitting the > $125 B in borrowed assets point. Then he and his rocket scientists > essentially borrowed still more, using this $125 B to leverage $1.25 T. (T > for "trillion.") > > Not bad, going from $2.2 B to $1.25 T, a mere 500-fold increase. Sheer unmitigated greed on the part of the banks, not knowing or forcing Meriwether to tell them. Over leveraging is what caused the Great Depression via the stock market collapse. ---guy Gosh, thank goodness they are loosening the bank/brokerage rules...not.

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Horde this Book: the first Y2K action novel
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Horde this Book: the first Y2K action novel http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/0,2326,201980929-14649,00.html TIME Digital's Netly News September 29, 1998 Horde This Book By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Book Review America's computers crashed on January 1, 2000. Cars won't start, planes won't fly, and the military is in shambles. Soldiers of unknown origin have seized control of a key high-tech company. China is about to invade. The one man who can save Western civilization from a Digital Dark Age is Y2K fixmeister Mark Solvang. Mark's problem? Well, it happens to be his company those troops took over. What comes next is a predictable romp through gun battles, hacking, and government intrigue that's sure to satisfy Chuck Norris fans but leave anyone else hoping for more. [...remainder snipped...]

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Re: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:33:38 -0400 > From: Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> > Subject: Re: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > What did I say about not paying for people's work? I'm perfectly > happy to pay for code, and I prefer to buy open source code; it tends > to be higher quality. I don't want to have to accept your opinion on > how I should release code along with the code. Jesus Christ on a stick. Take a fucking chill pill Adam. That 'you' is the literary you, not you personaly. You (not the literary you) should seriously consider counseling. Talk about hair-triggered. If anybody is guilty of demanding people do it 'their way' it's you. You really need to better understand this inability of yours to seperate your self-worth as an individual from the ideas you espouse and supposedly put out for public dialog. Everybody has stupid idea, if you can't admit that then there's a problem more serious than having stupid ideas. Everybody makes mistakes everyday, and if you seriously think you don't then you have found your first mistake today. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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One Nation launch - the day the media snapped
by Scott Balson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear One Nation supporter, Please take time to view this report with images of the One Nation launch yesterday. <A href="http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/onenation/federal/launch/">http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/onenation/federal/launch/ GWB Scott Balson

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:30 AM 9/29/98 -0400, John Young wrote: >Now that the terrified US Army has axed its Web sites, and >NSA and several other mil sites seem inaccessible and >"temporarily unavailable" this morning, could this portend >a dual-use of the Internet, a closed one for porkbarrell mil and >secret gov sweethearts and a sappy infotainment one for civilians >to gameboy infofoolery? Well, for some months now they've password protected some of the more delicate stuff (e.g., "lessons learned", some of the field manuals). And they have been rejecting non .mil addresses too. Certainly we can expect them to eventually get a clue and think about what's out there. Mostly they have. (Of course it was within the last year that a .mil was exporting PGP!) The army's over-reaction is quaint but essentially reasonable --the W3 pages are just PR, and they're real edgy these days after they tried to scalp Osama with a tomohawk. [digression: I wonder when Osama will have his own web page with matching funds for the head of the Great Satan, and whether there would be a shootout on the net, e.g., the DNS records being changed, a phone call to their ISP] As far as the NSA's online personnel records, I bet they're still worried about the CIA shootout down the street a few years back. There's still plenty of names, phones, email addresses in the .gov domain, with building locations, etc. But Jim Bell is locked up so they're not so uptight. >That would be a tri-power-gov implementation of dual-use >terror-scare to hide perkbellied privileges of natsec obsession. They keep trying different passwords to the constitution. Its a dictionary attack: "pedophile", "droogs", "terrorist", "WMD", etc. --Ceci n'est-ce pas un Toto

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:21 AM 9/29/98 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > >It's called milnet and it's been in existance ever since about '83. It >occured when ARPA became DARPA. I was working on a DoD project at UT Austin >at the time. Look up SIPRNET

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Re: (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:07:45 -0500 > From: Leif Ericksen <leif(a)imho.net> > Subject: Re: > > At 08:21 AM 9/29/98 -0500, Jim Choate wrote: > > > > > >It's called milnet and it's been in existance ever since about '83. It > > 1983???? Are you 100% sure about that I am almost 100% sure that it was > alone longer than that. I can not be quoted on it but I am sure that it > was in existence before that... OH I beg your pardon, 1983 is what the > government will really admit to even if there are documents that show it > may be older than that.... Might have been 82, find out when ARPA became DARPA and *only* worked on defense related material. The distinction was one of administration and not physical changes to anything other than some nameservers and routers. When the change happened it meant that ARPA could no longer participate as an equal with the NFS so they split the funding and administrative servers. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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GoLive CyberStudio 30-day Activation Key
by sales＠golive.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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GoLive CyberStudio 30-day Activation Key
by sales＠golive.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Fritzie, Thank you for downloading the GoLive CyberStudio Tryout software. Your official 30-day activation key is: TRIA1MT23NFJD8MXGGJ85UDA You'll need to enter this key when you first start-up the software. Included with the GoLive CyberStudio installation are the latest Release Notes and New Product Features for GoLive CyberStudio. NOTE: If you are using Stuffit Expander 4.5.x to decode and decompress PDF documents, please make sure the cross platform preference and the option "Convert Text Files to Macintosh Format" is set to "Never". If you have questions about how to use the Tryout software, GoLive's knowledgeable Technical Support staff is available to assist you. We suggest you first check the Technical Support section of our Web site www.golive.com. If you don't find your answers there, please send us an email at support(a)golive.com or call 1-800-554-6638. When you are ready to purchase GoLive CyberStudio or if you want to know more about why GoLive CyberStudio is the best product for Web site design, please return to our Web site or contact me at 1-800-554-6638 or 1-650-463-1580. Sincerely, Dan Fernandez Director US Sales GoLive Systems Sales(a)Golive.com

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GoLive CyberStudio Personal Edition
by sales＠golive.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Fritzie, Thank you for downloading the GoLive CyberStudio Tryout software. Your official 30-day activation key is: MWT4QWF7F8WP7GJJ You'll need to enter this key when you first start-up the software. Included with the GoLive CyberStudio installation are the latest Release Notes and New Product Features for GoLive CyberStudio. NOTE: If you are using Stuffit Expander 4.5.x to decode and decompress PDF documents, please make sure the cross platform preference and the option "Convert Text Files to Macintosh Format" is set to "Never". If you have questions about how to use the Tryout software, GoLive's knowledgeable Technical Support staff is available to assist you. We suggest you first check the Technical Support section of our Web site www.golive.com. If you don't find your answers there, please send us an email at support(a)golive.com or call 1-800-554-6638. When you are ready to purchase GoLive CyberStudio or if you want to know more about why GoLive CyberStudio is the best product for Web site design, please return to our Web site or contact me at 1-800-554-6638 or 1-650-463-1588. Sincerely, Dan Fernandez Director US Sales GoLive Systems Sales(a)Golive.com

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GoLive CyberStudio 30-day Activation Key
by sales＠golive.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Fritzie, Thank you for downloading the GoLive CyberStudio Tryout software. Your official 30-day activation key is: TRIA1MT23NFJD8MXGGJ85UDA You'll need to enter this key when you first start-up the software. Included with the GoLive CyberStudio installation are the latest Release Notes and New Product Features for GoLive CyberStudio. NOTE: If you are using Stuffit Expander 4.5.x to decode and decompress PDF documents, please make sure the cross platform preference and the option "Convert Text Files to Macintosh Format" is set to "Never". If you have questions about how to use the Tryout software, GoLive's knowledgeable Technical Support staff is available to assist you. We suggest you first check the Technical Support section of our Web site www.golive.com. If you don't find your answers there, please send us an email at support(a)golive.com or call 1-800-554-6638. When you are ready to purchase GoLive CyberStudio or if you want to know more about why GoLive CyberStudio is the best product for Web site design, please return to our Web site or contact me at 1-800-554-6638 or 1-650-463-1580. Sincerely, Dan Fernandez Director US Sales GoLive Systems Sales(a)Golive.com

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No Subject
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excerpt from the Canadian Firearms Digest, V2 #612 ================ begin forwarded opinion =============== Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 13:40:01 -0600 From: someone(a)somewhere.net Subject: RCMP now have .50 cal. BMG's I have just learned from a highly reliable confidential source that in addition to the .50 cal McMillian sniper rifles and the untalked about Barrett Light .50's, the RCMP have now added to their arsenal a number of .50 cal. Browning Machine Guns. Staff from the RCMP are headed to Belgium to be trained in the armoring of these military heavy machine guns. Machine guns may at some point be used against the Canadian public, possibly to quell a native disturbance or other civil unrest. If we were attacked by outside forces the military would be the pressed into service, as this is not the role of the RCMP. This leads one to ask what use the RCMP, who are a police force not an army in occupation, would have for such heavy armament ...... or is it possible that I have it wrong, possibly they are now an army in occupation. Is it possible that the RCMP are now the political policing arm of the Government. The lethality of this weapon makes pepper spray look like a Sunday shower. Maybe this is the next weapon demonstrators will be facing at the orders of the PM's office. ================ end forwarded opinion ================ Ciao all. Definition: FASCISM: n.: a political and economic movement, strongly nationalistic, magnifying the rights of the state as opposed to those of the individual, in which industry, though remaining largely under private ownership, and all administrative political units, are controlled by a strong central government. ------------------------------------------------- "One of the ordinary modes by which tyrants accomplish their purpose, without resistance, is by disarming the people and making it an offense to keep arms". - Joseph Story, U.S. Supreme Court Justice. ------------------------------------------------- the German gun control laws were enacted by the "liberal" Weimar Republic government that preceded Hitler, and were a strong aid to his coming to power -- because they disarmed Hitler's opponents, and Hitler's adherents ignored them -- as criminals have always ignored gun control laws. Disarming the public is a frequent first step toward dictatorships and genocides. Once the disarming is complete, the public is helpless against those who have the guns. ------------------------------------------------- PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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GoLive CyberStudio 30-day Activation Key
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Dumbshit, Thank you for spamming the Cypherpunks list with an ad for your crippleware and your lame, pathetically designed web site. Your official 30-day activation key is: ISUCKANDCANTWRITEHTMLANDISPAM You'll need to enter this key when you try to activate your brain. Included in response to all spams to the Cypherpunks list are free tests which will be run on your system. Any security holes we find will not be reported, but exploited. NOTE: If you are using FuckIt Spammer 1.0.x to spam your ad, please make sure you walk off a high-rise ledge and fall several hundred feet or we may have to make sure you do it, and you probably don't want that. If you have questions about your computer security, you do not need to send to Cypherpunks. You have already requested that your machine be checked for all security holes and that any found will be exploited to make you look even stupider than you make yourselves look. We also suggest you learn how to make a web site. Please visit http://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/. If you don't find your answers there, please walk in front of an 18-wheeler going 70mph, or call 911 and phone in a bomb threat. When you are ready to put yourself out of our misery, please slash your wrists and play vampire. It's simple so your simple minds should be able to handle it, but it is a little messy. Sincerely, The Cypherpunks cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net On Tue, 29 Sep 1998 sales(a)golive.com spammed: > > Dear Fritzie, > > Thank you for downloading the GoLive CyberStudio Tryout > software. > > Your official 30-day activation key is: TRIA1MT23NFJD8MXGGJ85UDA > > You'll need to enter this key when you first start-up the > software. > > Included with the GoLive CyberStudio installation are the > latest Release Notes and New Product Features for GoLive > CyberStudio. > > NOTE: If you are using Stuffit Expander 4.5.x to decode and > decompress PDF documents, please make sure the cross > platform preference and the option "Convert Text Files to > Macintosh Format" is set to "Never". > > If you have questions about how to use the Tryout software, > GoLive's knowledgeable Technical Support staff is available > to assist you. We suggest you first check the Technical > Support section of our Web site www.golive.com. If you don't > find your answers there, please send us an email at > support(a)golive.com or call 1-800-554-6638. > > When you are ready to purchase GoLive CyberStudio or if you > want to know more about why GoLive CyberStudio is the best > product for Web site design, please return to our Web site > or contact me at 1-800-554-6638 or 1-650-463-1580. > > Sincerely, > > Dan Fernandez > Director US Sales > GoLive Systems > Sales(a)Golive.com > >

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > The only objection to releasing an API is to > stifle competition, *THAT* is a bad thing. There are a number of other reasons -- principally support and backwards compatibility costs. If you release an API for a commercial application for ISVs, you better make sure it is relatively bug-free and mature. As soon as someone else's code relies on that API, you are stuck with making sure it continues to work as the product evolves. There is nothing wrong with public and private APIs, and we hope that the ad hoc private APIs from some midnight-oil-burning-hack to get the product to ship on time that have useful functionality will eventually be integrated into a mature public API. Modular OOP design means you have lots of interfaces, you don't necessarily want people to be able to dig in-between all the pieces of your program -- often you cannot protect application/data integrity if they do. It's like custom software versus shrink-wrap. I write a lot of custom software, it works for what it needs to do for a specific scenario, if that changes I modify and recompile. There is a *lot* of work -- time, money, *my* cost -- to take that custom application and make it flexible and generic enough to be shrink-wrap and work in all scenarios. And if I don't do it well enough I have a major support/liability problem. Same applies to public vs private APIs. > The idea from a free-market perspective: > Had Microsoft, for example, been required to publish their > API's by the market we wouldn't be spending all this effort You state free-market and then you are *requiring* someone to do something? How do you resolve that contradiction? Require = Force != Free[dom] As far as *commercial* software vendors go, Microsoft is one of the better companies for publishing APIs and creating useful APIs and tools for Rapid Application Development. Do you subscribe to MSDN? Please do before you crucify Microsoft for lack of APIs, if anything they have too many. > Bottem line, if you believe in a free-market (which requires fair > competition to work and prevent monopolies) Pure speculative nonsense contrary to empirical evidence. Market distortions the government creates are far worse than any Wonderland monopoly you can dream up that will exist in a true free market. Matt

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Halifax, Canada PGP key-signing party
by M Taylor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Nova Scotia Linux Users Group (nsLUG, www.nslug.ns.ca) is considering a PGP key-signing party in October 1998 in the metro Halifax area. If you are interested, please contact me, so I can inform you of the exact date & location. -- M Taylor mctaylor@ / glyphmetrics.ca | privacy.nb.ca

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IP: [FP] National registry to track child support
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ScanThisNews" <mcdonalds(a)airnet.net> Subject: IP: [FP] National registry to track child support Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 06:59:33 -0500 To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com ====================================================================== SCAN THIS NEWS 09/28/98 --------------------------------------------------------------- Ya know, they could darn near track anyone with this thing... --------------------------------------------------------------- 09/28/98- Updated 12:15 AM ET The Nation's Homepage National registry to track child support WASHINGTON - Beginning Wednesday, every one of the 16 million parents nationwide who are required to pay child support will be logged into a massive database to help the federal government track down those who fail to pay. [Well that's nice, now they'll be in there with the rest of us sheeple.] The registry will allow authorities to keep tabs on the more than 5 million parents, most of them fathers, who have moved to another state after a divorce, separation or breakup. [Yea, and about 200 million of us who haven't.] Many reneged or fell behind on support payments, says Michael Kharfen, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, which will run the database. "Before, it was very difficult for a state to track down where the parent went, where he was working and how much money he was actually making," Kharfen says. "This database will track them, no matter where in the country they move." [Hey Keefer, there was a reason it was difficult - it was called liberty!] Critics of the registry say it violates the privacy of law-abiding parents. "Because someone gets a divorce doesn't mean their job, their income, should become an open book," fathers' rights attorney D. Gerald Williams says. [Wrong answer: critics are opposed to it because it violates fundamental rights of the "non-delinquent" citizens by forcing them into the same "locating and tracking" system.] Kharfen counters that the system is critical to states, which collect only about 22% of the $50 billion owed in child support every year. By federal estimates, 60% of parents involved in child custody cases renege on their payments. [Keefer - get out of the social payments system altogether. Then, you won't have this huge problem you've created -- "tracking delinquent parents."] Officials estimate that the system will recoup $10 billion in delinquent payments a year. [Probably about 20% of what the system costs to operate, and about 5% of what the "system" spends as a whole.] To track down scofflaws, the government will compare its list of parents with another new database that contains employment records for more than 140 million workers in the United States. That database, which was unveiled in October 1997, lists an employee's identity, address and salary. By cross-referencing lists, "we'll be able to tell the state that's looking for him whether they should start going for his paycheck," Kharfen says. [And it's about time for the citizenry to start going after some Congressmen's paycheck Keefer, then, perhaps, yours to follow!] By Scott Bowles, USA TODAY [With comments by Scott McDonald - today] http://search.usatoday.com/plweb-cgi/fastweb?getdoc+default+news+5734+0+wAAA +registry --------------------------------------------------------------- [thanks to J. Groom for the forward] ======================================================================= Don't believe anything you read on the Net unless: 1) you can confirm it with another source, and/or 2) it is consistent with what you already know to be true. ======================================================================= Reply to: <fingerprint(a)networkusa.org> ======================================================================= To subscribe to the free Scan This News newsletter, send a message to <majordomo(a)efga.org> and type "subscribe scan" in the BODY. Or, to be removed type "unsubscribe scan" in the message BODY. For additional instructions see www.efga.org/about/maillist.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Scan This News" is Sponsored by S.C.A.N. Host of the "FIGHT THE FINGERPRINT!" web page: www.networkusa.org/fingerprint.shtml ======================================================================= ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Group 'No Privacy for Privacy Hypocrites' Surveys Congress
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Group 'No Privacy for Privacy Hypocrites' Surveys Congress Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:32:02 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: US Newswire http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/0928-131.txt Privacy Group Surveys Congress U.S. Newswire 28 Sep 18:17 Group 'No Privacy for Privacy Hypocrites' Surveys Congress To: National Desk Contact: James Love, 202-387-3080 WASHINGTON, Sept. 28 /U.S. Newswire/ -- No Privacy for Privacy Hypocrites, a citizen's group formed to counteract the assault on privacy by the Kenneth Starr/congressional investigations into President Clinton's sex life, has distributed a survey to Members of Congress regarding their views on privacy. Members of Congress who oppose privacy rights will be asked whether or not they have ever participated in an adulterous affair, and whether or not they have lied about it. The group is concerned that the Kenneth Starr/congressional investigations into the president's sex life are having a negative impact on privacy that will affect ordinary citizens. "This whole sad affair is the product of decades-long disrespect for privacy, for which our political leaders are responsible," said Evan Hendricks, Editor and Publisher of "Privacy Times," and one of the organizers of the group. "This effort is intended to arrest the free fall of privacy rights triggered by the stunning abuses of power by the Starr investigation and the Congressional dissemination of personal information," said James Love. Today, No Privacy for Privacy Hypocrites distributed a survey to Members of Congress asking: 1. (A) Is consensual, non-commercial sexual conduct by adults in private ever a proper subject for government inquiry? (B) Do you believe that any branch of government should investigate allegations that elected officials may have participated in an adulterous affair, including allegations that they may have lied about it? 2. If you answered "yes" to (A) or (B) in question (1): (A) Have you ever participated in an adulterous affair? (B) If yes, have you ever lied about it? 3. Do you think that any public official who has committed adultery and lied about it should resign from public office? Survey responses will be placed on the web at: http://www.noprivacy.org, as soon the surveys are returned. -0- /U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/ 09/28 18:17 Copyright 1998, U.S. Newswire ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Fwd: [Spooks] NSA Allegedly Spied on Businesses
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Bridget973(a)aol.com Subject: IP: Fwd: [Spooks] NSA Allegedly Spied on Businesses Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 21:37:12 EDT To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: [Spooks] NSA Allegedly Spied on Businesses Date: Sat, 26 Sep 1998 14:36:35 -0500 From: Bob Margolis <rttyman(a)wwa.com> To: Spooks <spooks(a)qth.net> U.S. Spy Agency Helped U.S. Companies Win Business Overseas-Report September 21, 1998 Nikkei English News: TOKYO (AP)--A U.S. intelligence agency electronically eavesdropped on foreign companies and passed information to U.S. competitors to help them win business overseas, a major Tokyo newspaper reported Saturday. The National Security Agency monitored phone calls, faxes and electronic mail of European and Japanese companies since at least 1990, the Mainichi newspaper said, citing a report Wednesday by the European Parliament, the European Union's legislature. The newspaper quoted the report as saying the NSA, in an operation named "Echelon," used its vast eavesdropping network to listen to business negotiations. The Central Intelligence Agency and British intelligence were also involved, the paper said. The paper said the report was submitted Wednesday to parliament by its research bureau. Some of the findings also appeared in a January report, the paper said. In one case, the NSA monitored talks between French electronics company Thomson-CSF and the Brazilian government over sale of a radar system. An unnamed U.S. company ended up winning the contract, the paper said. The paper also said the NSA listened in on 1990 negotiations between Japan's NEC Corp. and the Indonesian government over the purchase of telecommunications machinery. It used the information to urge Jakarta to award half the contract to AT&T, the paper said. --- Submissions should be sent to spooks(a)qth.net To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe spooks" to majordomo(a)qth.net -- bridget973(a)aol.com Black Helicopters on the Horizon: http://members.xoom.com/bridget973 ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Fwd: [Spooks] CIA Operative sentenced to five years imprisonment
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Bridget973(a)aol.com Subject: IP: Fwd: [Spooks] CIA Operative sentenced to five years imprisonment Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 22:03:52 EDT To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com http://www.abcnews.com/wire/US/AP19980925_1626.html AP News Service WASHINGTON (AP) _ A former CIA operative was sentenced to five years in prison today for trying to extort $1 million from the agency in exchange for his silence about government eavesdropping operations. Douglas Fred Groat, 51, pleaded guilty to the extortion charge in July. As part of the plea agreement, federal prosecutors dropped four counts of espionage, including charges that Groat told two foreign governments the CIA had cracked their coded communications. U.S. District Judge Thomas F. Hogan said Groat's actions appeared to stem from his ``almost becoming obsessed'' about a job dispute with the CIA. ``I don't think at any time you really had any intention of trying to harm our national security,'' Hogan said. The judge said he would recommend housing Groat in a minimum-security prison and ordered him to serve three years of supervised release after completing his sentence. Groat, a burly, bearded man, did not speak in the courtroom except to clarify part of his written statement to the court, which was not immediately released. He said that in complaining about the ``harsh conditions of my solitary confinement,'' he did not mean to imply that any federal officials treated him harshly. His lawyer, public defender Robert L. Tucker, said the case was ``a shame'' and that Groat's actions ``everybody would agree had their genesis in a dispute with the CIA about employment.'' Prosecutors said in July a trial in the case could have forced them to disclose sensitive national security information. Groat agreed to help the government sort out whether his activities damaged national security, and he promised to submit any books, articles or interviews to federal officials for security review. Prosecutor Ron Walutes told Hogan the government was ``fully satisfied'' with Groat's cooperation since his guilty plea on July 27. Groat, a former employee of the CIA division that develops eavesdropping plans and code-breaking technology, worked for the CIA from 1980 until he was fired in October 1996. Early in his career, he served as a field operative participating in break-ins of foreign embassies. In a summary agreed to in July by Groat, prosecutors said he sent a series of letters to the CIA in 1996 and 1997 demanding $1 million and saying that in return he would not engage in ``any activities which may hinder present or future intelligence gathering efforts.'' Officials did not identify the two countries Groat had been accused of aiding. Groat was held without bail since he was arrested in April. He will be able to collect his CIA pension when he turns 62. He could have been sentenced to up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine. Groat had been the third current or former CIA employee arrested on espionage charges in the past four years. However, he was lower-ranking than Alrich Ames and Harold Nicholson, who pleaded guilty and are imprisoned for selling secrets to Moscow. Copyright 1998 AP News Service. All rights reserved --- Submissions should be sent to spooks(a)qth.net To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe spooks" to majordomo(a)qth.net -- bridget973(a)aol.com Black Helicopters on the Horizon: http://members.xoom.com/bridget973 ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: NSA listening practices called European `threat'
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: NSA listening practices called European `threat' Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:43:12 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: Baltimore Sun http://www.sunspot.net/cgi-bin/editorial/story.cgi?storyid=900000194001 NSA listening practices called European `threat' European Parliament report accuses agency of widespread spying By Neal Thompson Sun Staff The National Security Agency has incurred the wrath of some U.S. allies and triggered debate about increased global eavesdropping, thanks to a new report that accuses the agency of spying on European citizens and companies. With the help of a listening post in the moors of northern England, NSA for nearly a decade has been snatching Europe's electronic communications signals, according to a report for the European Parliament. "Within Europe, all e-mail, telephone and fax communications are routinely intercepted by the United States National Security Agency, transferring all target information to Fort Meade," said the report. `Powerful threat' It warned that the NSA's tactics represent a "powerful threat to civil liberties in Europe" at a time when more communication -- and commerce -- is conducted electronically. A preliminary version of the report circulated overseas in recent months, touching off heated debate, with front-page stories in Italy, France, Scotland, England, Belgium and even Russia. The NSA won't discuss the report or even admit that the listening post exists. But this week, two days of debate in the European Parliament continued the extraordinary public disclosure of comprehensive post-Cold War spying by the agency. On Wednesday, the Parliament passed a resolution seeking more accountability from such eavesdropping arrangements and more assurances that they won't be misused. "We want to make sure that somebody's watching them," said Glyn Ford, a British member of the European Parliament, the legislative body for the 15-member European Union. Observers say this was the first time a governmental body has described in detail -- and then criticized -- the NSA's tactics. "The cat's well and true out of the bag," said Simon Davies, director of the London-based watchdog group Privacy International. "I would argue that we have made the grandest step in 50 years toward accountability of such national security transparencies." The report describes a sophisticated program called Echelon, which the NSA established in conjunction with British intelligence agencies. The program includes a listening post in Menwith Hill, in Yorkshire, whose satellite dishes soak up the satellite and microwave transmissions carrying Europe's telephone conversations, faxes and e-mail. Unlike Cold War spying aimed at the military, Echelon is a global electronic surveillance system that targets individuals, businesses, governments and organizations, the report says. The U.S. shares the information with Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand as part of an intelligence-sharing agreement called UKUSA. Each nation has its own set of key words, so it can seek information on specific issues, the report states. Europe is but a fraction of Echelon's target area -- and the Menwith Hill post is one of at least 10 around the world, the report adds. "One reason its a bigger deal over there than it is over here [in the U.S.] is because the SIGINT [signals intelligence] systems are over their heads and not our heads," said Jeffrey Richelson, an analyst with the National Security Archives, a U.S. group seeking to declassify intelligence related documents. Echelon repercussions But the disclosure of Echelon could soon resonate across the Atlantic after the European Parliament action. Furthermore, it could complicate current negotiations between the U.S. and the European Union over encryption programs that scramble or encode computer information, said Parliament member Ford. The U.S. has been lobbying for back-door access to such codes for security reasons. Originally published on Sep 19 1998 ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:35:10 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: US Newswire http://www.usnewswire.com/topnews/Current_Releases/0929-101.txt Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill U.S. Newswire 29 Sep 8:49 Senate Passes Y2K Liability Limitation Bill To: National and State desks Contact: David Carle of the Office of Sen. Patrick Leahy, 202-224-3693 WASHINGTON, Sept. 29 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Following is the statement of Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, on Senate passage Monday night, Sept. 28, 1998, of the Hatch-Leahy-Kyl Substitute to S.2392, which was initially introduced by Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah, at the request of the Administration. The bill also includes a new amendment by Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.). The bill now goes to the House. The bill's purpose is to encourage the full disclosure and exchange of solutions and test results for Year 2000 computer problems, by providing limited liability protection, for a limited time, for specific kinds of Year 2000 information that is considered essential to remediation efforts, but not for faulty products or services. It promotes company-to-company information sharing, without limiting the rights of consumers. The bill also includes a Leahy provision chartering a national Y2K Website for consumers, small businesses and local governments. "Four-hundred and fifty-eight days from now, millions of computers controlling our air traffic, recording credit card sales, running electric and phone systems, tracking bank deposits and monitoring hospital patients may crash in befuddlement. "No bill can magically solve the Y2K problem, but this bill greatly increases the chances that people will come forward more readily with solutions. "This bill also includes a provision I have offered that will help consumers, small businesses and local governments by chartering a national information clearinghouse and Website as a starting point to provide rapid and accurate information about solving Y2K problems. "Knowledge is power in exterminating the millennium bug, and it makes perfect sense to amplify and encourage the use of the Internet itself as an information resource in grappling with this problem." -0- /U.S. Newswire 202-347-2770/ 09/29 08:49 Copyright 1998, U.S. Newswire ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:21:19 -0400 (EDT) > From: Vlad Stesin <rmiles(a)Generation.NET> > Subject: RE: GPL & commercial software, the critical distinction (fwd) > > > > Solaris, HP, BSD, NT, etc. *wish* they were as stable and popular as Linux. > > > > Which BSD are you talking about? From my personal and professional > experience, OpenBSD, NetBSD and FreeBSD proved to be just as stable (and > OpenBSD even more stable and reliable) than Linux. All three of them are > Take a look at http://www.openbsd.org/crypto.html for more info. > > I hope you meant BSD/OS when you mentioned BSD :-) Well I've used all three version. In particular after I got my current Sun 4/380 from the local CACTUS Unix user group I tried several variaties of BSD on it and none of them have stayed up as long, had as many applications available for them, or been easier to debug than Linux SPARC (and that is behind x86 by a couple of generations - though that should change in the immediate future). I also tried it on my Amiga 2000 when there wasn't a working version of Linux for it. I've got like 5 different disk sets I've tried over the last 3 years, thanks I'll stick with Linux SPARC. I've even got an *old* version of BSD before they went with their current license scheme that I used when I worked at Compu-Add from '91 through '92 in their POS support department because one of our food chain customers liked the way the box arched....:) I have yet to see any BSD installation with a total uptime greater than 8-10 weeks whereas I've seen my *old* 1.1.59 Linux version (still running on einstein.ssz.com at this very moment) stay up for over 6 months between reboots (and even then it wasn't a requirement, the clock keeps wondering off and by 6 months it's nearly 12 hours ahead). I have no desire to get into a OS war, I currently use like 6 different os'es at home - to each their own. But to assuage your curiosity I prefer AmigaDOS and/or Plan 9 with Logo for programming (now if I could only find a decent Logo compiler), though Amoeba is starting to look pretty interesting. I'd use BeOS a lot more if I thought for one second there was a real future for it, even though I do try each release. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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17 Dec '03

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