December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

RE: I don't care if this is real or not! But forwarding is not hard for me if I help
by GORDON, JEFFREY A 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/021798/web217__.html Chain letter: Poor Timothy Flyte. He's dying of ostriopliosis of the liver and is urging Internet users to forward his electronic chain letter to everyone in their address books. The letter says a children's hospital will donate 7 cents to the National Disease Society for every person who forwards the letter. But wait: There is no such disease as ''ostriopliosis,'' there is no such thing as the National Disease Society and the name Timothy Flyte apparently was taken from Peter O'Toole's character in the movie Phantoms. At the end, the letter includes a threat to those who don't forward it that ''what goes around comes around.'' This piece of e-junk is a particularly loathsome example of Internet chain letters. If you receive this letter or any other electronic chain letter, do the world a favor: Delete it without forwarding it to anyone and inform the person who sent it to you that the letter is a hoax. For the full story on this letter, see The Mining Co.'s guide to urban legends. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chiu Ngan [SMTP:simpsonngan@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 1998 4:52 AM > To: dueli(a)hotmail.com; centrebet(a)centrebet.com.au; contact(a)unsw.edu.au; > Declan(a)well.com; Dodwellleung(a)hotmail.com; dlin(a)gpu.srv.ualberta.ca; > dorngan(a)hkstar.com.hk; cypherpunks(a)toad.com; cj2802(a)singnet.com.sg; > parsley(a)unforgettable.com; S.Lundy(a)unsw.edu.au; accounts(a)magna.com.au; > n.harding(a)unsw.edu.au; philiph(a)magna.com.au; ulf(a)fitug.de; > leevv(a)hotmail.com; vanessa.ho(a)mailexcite.com > Subject: Fwd: I don't care if this is real or not! But forwarding is > not hard for me if I help > > > > >Received: from 136.148.1.253 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > > Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:55:15 PDT > >X-Originating-IP: [136.148.1.253] > >From: "Dodwell Leung" <dodwellleung(a)hotmail.com> > >To: alexccl(a)hotmail.com, z2181727(a)student.unsw.edu.au, > antonylam(a)hotmail.com, chonga(a)sbu.ac.uk, z2183890(a)student.unsw.edu.au, > lcy(a)qms.ndirect.co.uk, z2155343(a)student.unsw.edu.au, bahrid(a)hotmail.com, > daner(a)mail.mkv.mh.se, Evert.P.deVries(a)SI.shell.com, > harold.tan(a)mailexcite.com, ivanyip(a)hotmail.com, catkoo(a)hotmail.com, > jennyshek(a)hotmail.com, BKKsomporb(a)mail.nomura.com.hk, > joe621(a)netvigator.com, heyloe(a)hotmail.com, kmyk(a)hotmail.com, > kenjess(a)apanet.com.au, lawhon(a)hotmail.com, lfan(a)mail.uoknor.edu, > 95481624J(a)hkpucc.polyu.edu.hk, shukai(a)netvigator.com, > z2188635(a)student.unsw.edu.au, mattgow(a)hotmail.com, > z2192026(a)student.unsw.edu.au, z2174314(a)student.unsw.edu.au, > Steeve.Genot(a)wanadoo.fr, hsp996(a)hotmail.com, physpot(a)asiaonline.net, > pixie_tan(a)hotmail.com, pooi_lee_chow(a)hotmail.com, eeyatir(a)hotmail.com, > saralee(a)chevalier.net, patelsu(a)sbu.ac.uk, beetch(a)pacific.net.sg, > z2188232(a)student.unsw.edu.au, simpsonngan(a)hotmail.com, > yoon(a)pacific.net.sg, hamster.sol(a)lineone.net, stepcom(a)hkstar.com, > ext3366(a)yahoo.com, tinyau1(a)netvigator.com, z2193851(a)student.unsw.edu.au, > huvl(a)sbu.ac.uk, z2193612(a)student.unsw.edu.au, willmilk(a)hotmail.com, > wswinnie(a)netvigator.com, brackeye(a)hkstar.com, takleung(a)wisdom.com.hk > >Subject: I don't care if this is real or not! But forwarding is not > hard for me if I help > >Content-Type: text/plain > >Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 05:55:15 PDT > > > > > >>Received: from 202.184.46.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > >> Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:39:48 PDT > >>X-Originating-IP: [202.184.46.2] > >>From: "san san" <seliness(a)hotmail.com> > >>To: alanling(a)usa.net, calviny(a)mol.net.my, chowpin(a)edb.gov.sg, > >chan911(a)pc.jaring.my, gary_wang(a)hotmail.com, junifer(a)pl.jaring.my, > >karren(a)deakin.edu.au, klay(a)okstate.edu, lkhoong(a)pc.jaring.my, > >mcch(a)hotmail.com, murphy_l(a)hotmail.com, simfong(a)pl.jaring.my, > >stchai(a)pl.jaring.my, mote(a)hotmail.com, tlliew(a)tm.net.my, > >wthong(a)pl.jaring.my, dodwellleung(a)hotmail.com > >>Subject: Fwd: This is serious PLEEEEEEASE PLEASE DON'T DELETE!!!!! > >>Content-Type: text/plain > >>Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 01:39:48 PDT > >> > >> > >>>Received: from 202.188.25.160 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; > >>> Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:27:23 PDT > >>>X-Originating-IP: [202.188.25.160] > >>>From: "Lim Huey" <shaohuey(a)hotmail.com> > >>>To: alexlimyk(a)hotmail.com, audrey.looi(a)mailexcite.com, > >>kianwah19(a)hotmail.com, enyen(a)hotmail.com, s9812221(a)unitele.com.my, > >>rckj(a)hotmail.com, seliness(a)hotmail.com, stanchow(a)tm.net.my, > >>bhchua7(a)hotmail.com, csheng(a)rocketmail.com, yoongyow(a)hotmail.com, > >>ching20(a)hotmail.com, lphoo(a)hotmail.com, ken_thong(a)rocketmail.com, > >>twinsck(a)hotmail.com, poaysun(a)yahoo.com, mda97mk(a)sheffield.ac.uk, > >>yongqiang13(a)hotmail.com, sammy_lee_79(a)hotmail.com, > >>tungweileong(a)hotmail.com, lifesignx(a)yahoo.com, elim331(a)yahoo.com, > >>lwloh(a)hotmail.com, audrey.looi(a)mailcity.com, sokyee(a)pc.jaring.my, > >>kah_kit(a)hotmail.com, siewgar(a)hotmail.com, chiane(a)mailcity.com, > >>Vvpenguin(a)hotmail.com, pkleong(a)hotmail.com, phangf(a)hotmail.com, > >>rolandhii(a)hotmail.com, stjdanzel(a)hotmail.com, leesiehui(a)hotmail.com, > >>jeennwei(a)hotmail.com, chouyong(a)hotmail.com, ttc1979(a)yahoo.com, > >>guatyen(a)hotmail.com, chonkit(a)hotmail.com, thongyp(a)hotmail.com, > >>soonfung(a)hotmail.com, tsueyyin(a)hotmail.com, feiyy(a)hotmail.com > >>>Subject: Fwd: This is serious PLEEEEEEASE PLEASE DON'T DELETE!!!!! > >>>Content-Type: text/plain > >>>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 06:27:23 PDT > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 04:25:43 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>From: CHEW JUNN WENG <jwchew(a)rocketmail.com> > >>>>Subject: This is serious PLEEEEEEASE PLEASE DON'T DELETE!!!!! > >>>>To: lmoonc(a)hotmail.com, pvcheo(a)essex.ac.uk, cwnsim(a)essex.ac.uk, > >>>> yoongyow(a)hotmail.com, lenelene(a)hotmail.com, gcping38(a)mailcity.com, > >>>> gthong(a)rocketmail.com, ching20(a)hotmail.com, > lcchuan(a)rocketmail.com, > >>>> moon(a)tm.net.my, shaohuey(a)hotmail.com, janelsl(a)tm.net.my, > >>>> csheng(a)rocketmail.com, hwooi(a)yahoo.com, dianacn(a)hotmail.com, > >>>> stjdanzel(a)hotmail.com, effyjungle(a)hotmail.com, > >bus_tard(a)hotmail.com, > >>>> lphoo(a)hotmail.com, yakasaki(a)hotmail.com, colint79(a)hotmail.com > >>>>Cc: anniesia(a)hotmail.com, pearlng(a)hotmail.com, liangser(a)hotmail.com, > >>>> choopar(a)hotmail.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Hello, my name is David "Darren" Bucklew. 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Your new password
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Feb. 1, 1996, the US House of Representatives voted to pass the Telecommunications Reform Act. This Act included the Communications Decency Act, which sought to criminalize posting to the Internet any material deemed indecent and patently offensive, with no exception for socially redeeming material. On Sept. 11, 1998, the US House of Representatives voted to release the Referral of Independent Counsel Starr on the Internet. 365 individuals were Members of Congress during these two votes, 196 Republicans and 169 Democrats. Of that total, 284, or 77.6%, voted Aye both times. 185 of the Republicans, or 94.4%, voted Aye both times. 96 of the Democrats, or 56.8%, voted Aye both times. Had the Communications Decency Act withstood judicial review (which it did not), posting the Starr report to the Internet arguably would have subjected the posters to fines of $250,000 and 5 years in prison. The question of who voted for both the CDA and the release of the Starr report is not cut-and-dried, because Congress did not record a roll-call vote for the CDA in isolation, but only for its vehicle the Telecommunications Reform Act. Also, the vote Friday to post the Starr report was primarily a vote to start up impeachment machinery. Nevertheless, if accountability to the voters means anything in this democracy, the Congress members who voted "Aye" on both February 1, 1996 and September 11, 1998 ought to come in for a bit of uncomfortable public exposure. <href=http://www.tbtf.com/resource/hypocrites.html>http://www.tbtf.com/resource/hypocrites.html</a>

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Political purges and Bill C-68
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi to all of you. I know most of you personnally, except for the posts to mailing lists and public organisms. ------------------ beginning of letter --------------- Yesterday night, around 2am, I was unable to sleep and surfing the TV channels up until I fell on a movie on the ShowCase channel. This channel is devoted to repertoire cinema and less mainstream movies. As I flick to this channel, I see something I can't take my eyes off for it's overwhelming revolting topic: a bunch of corpses are on a dolly, each of one being tied by the feet to a crane cable and quickly, efficiently taken away to a big heap of corpses. Then, a lineup of peoples, waiting in line to pass before some officer. They are promplty urged to take off their clothes, aligned to face a wall and shot in the back of the head. And this continues like an dis-assembly chain. I did not bear more than a few minutes of the thing. During thoses few minutes, maybe five or six rows of five peoples were slaughtered. Peoples of all walk of life, of all ages, young and olds, male and females, beautiful and ugly, strugling or resigned were executed by an indifferent row of unintelligent and/or psychotic thugs that simply "executed orders". There was the firing squad captain that did not shoot but that gave the firing orders, so that the thugs could sleep without remorse. There was their superior supervising the whole slaughterhouse operation and finally, there was the political supervisor, dressed in the "de rigueur" grey with grey hat. This operation was clearly in the context of some political purge. I did not comprehend the full details of the context, but it appeared that it was happening during the russian revolution, or more possibly in East Germany after WW-II. The executed peoples were helpless, at the mercy of thoses thugs because they had no way to respond to death threat by death threat. Most of them had accepted their fate and walked to their death attempting to defend themselves with calm reason, useless in this context since the firing squad was composed of idiots and psychotics. One girls pleaded for her life and her great beauty made the animals of the firing squad hesitate, but was promptly shot in the head from a distance by the political supervisor. And it dawned on me that it could never had happened in a society where gun ownership was unregulated, and it also dawned on me that it is the essence of the natural outcome of all gun regulation/registration schemes. That to provide that kind of power to the ruling political class is the ultimate goal of gun registration and regulation, notwithstanding that they chose to exert it or not. Very soon (in principle on october 1st 1998), under the new bill C-68 , you will be declared a criminal in the full sense of the law, just as if you had killed somebody, if you don't register your guns (or don't plan to do so before the limit date comes up in a few years). Putting aside for a moment the tremendous costs associated with that C-68 nonsense (around 2 billions $ wasted money) we must realize that private law-abiding firearm owners account for 0.08% of all homicides commited with a firearms. So, I ask because I consider it of extreme importance, what's the ULTIMATE purpose of declaring criminal seven millions of individuals who wants nothing more than lead peacefull lifes? ----------- end of letter -------------- Jean-Francois Avon, Montreal, Canada Hitler, Stalin, Pinochet, PolPot and every other notorious psychotic butchers insisted on a tight control of privately owned firearms. I wonder why? "nobody runs faster than a bullet" - supposedly from Idi Amin Dada Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada DePompadour, Société d'Importation Ltée Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers Instrumentation & control, LabView programming PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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US Crypto Update Fact Sheet
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://library.whitehouse.gov/PressReleases-plain.cgi?date=0&briefing=4 The White House Briefing Room September 16, 1998 FACT SHEET THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ______________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release September 16, 1998 FACT SHEET Administration Updates Encryption Policy Exports of 56-bit DES and equivalent products (hardware and software) will be streamlined (under license exception). Requirements for key recovery plans are eliminated. Exports of unlimited strength encryption products (with or without key recovery) will be streamlined (under license exception) to certain industries. The sectors are: Subsidiaries of U.S. Firms, worldwide (except seven terrorist nations). Insurance companies to the same 45 countries recently approved for exports to banks and financial institution exports. Health and medical organizations (including civilian government health agencies) in the same 45 countries. Does not include biochemical/pharmaceutical manufacturers. On-line merchants for client-server applications, in the same 45 countries, with the purpose of securing electronic transactions between merchants and their customers. Does not include manufacturers and distributors of items controlled on the U.S. munitions list. Key Recovery products will continue to be exportable under license exception worldwide (except seven terrorist nations). Review of foreign key recovery agents is eliminated. Exports of "recoverable" products will be approved to most commercial firms, and their wholly-owned subsidiaries, in a broad range of countries under encryption licensing arrangements. This group of countries covers most major commercial markets including Western Europe, Japan, and Australia. The policy does not include service providers and manufacturers and distributors of items controlled on the U.S. munitions list. Exports to end users or destinations outside this policy are possible on a case-by-case basis. Prior to export, products are subject to a one-time product technical review. # # #

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Re: US Updates Crypto Policy
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > > http://library.whitehouse.gov/PressReleases-plain.cgi?date=0&briefing=3 > > THE WHITE HOUSE > ____________________________________________________________________ > For Immediate Release > September 16, 1998 > > Administration Updates Encryption Policy [snip] > Very strong encryption with any key length (with or without key > recovery) will now be permitted for export, under license exception, to > several industry sectors. [snip] > On-line merchants in 45 countries will be able to use robust U.S. > encryption products to protect their on-line electronic commerce > transactions with their customers over the Internet. On-line merchants? Anyone care to try and purchase US-strong crypto from overseas for their WWW business? Which crypto products? What are the minimum "business" requirements? ;-) ---guy How long does it take to get approval?

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Re: Clinton's fake apologies (fwd)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > > > Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> wrote: > > lying under oath is perjury, whether you like it or not. > > As rare as it is, I agree with Declan here. If Clinton would lie under oath > about a non-crime (ie sex between consenting adults) what would he do if > faced with a real issue? > > He should have said "Yeah, I had sex with her. What business is it of > yours?". > Presumably he should lie to protect the state. So lieing per se isn't the problem. It is the use of the privilege where it doesn't apply that upsets you. Murky water for impeachment, methinks. Furthermore, we have gone from the CDA to government publication of pornography in short order. Farbeit for any cypherpunk to complain.

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Your new password
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Name: Jolly CyberSnot sixdegrees password: suchlamp Congratulations Jolly. You're well on your way to becoming a full sixdegrees(tm) member. Here is your member password: suchlamp. Use it to log-in on the home page at the sixdegrees Web site, http://www.sixdegrees.com. We'll ask you for a little more information to complete your registration, and then you'll be ready to start networking. It's important that you return to the site and log-in. Your membership will not be complete until you do so. Once you've successfully logged in with your password, just go to Personal Profile and you'll be able to choose your own password. Thanks for becoming part of sixdegrees. We're looking forward to seeing you at the site. ==================================================================== PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. If you believe you received this e-mail in error, and it was not your intention to become a sixdegrees member, or if you have any problems, questions or requests send an e-mail to issues(a)sixdegrees.com and someone will get back to you as soon as possible. ==================================================================== E.SI.BAM.1

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Re: Clinton's fake apologies (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: 16 Sep 1998 16:47:28 -0000 > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)remailer.ch> > Subject: Re: Clinton's fake apologies (fwd) > Presumably he should lie to protect the state. Then don't take the oath: To tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So lieing per se isn't the problem. > It is the use of the privilege where it doesn't apply that upsets you. No, it's the fact that he took an oath to tell the truth and didn't. Murky water > for impeachment, methinks. Then you don't think very well. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: A personal response to your email to sixdegrees
by Jan Dobrucki 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well... so far this is the longest response from sixdegrees I've read on cypherpunks... those guys are such numbskulls... can't they just go to the cypherpunk homepage, at: ftp://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/pub/cypherpunks/Home.html get the info to get themselves of the cypherpunk mailing list...? And about folks on the list... seems awfully quite... Ende Jan D. P.S. :I remember this from a comic film... robo something... "Information is Ammunition" Mark Salamon wrote: > > (I was not sure which email address to send this to, as the return > address was: nobody(a)replay.com. I also do not know who to address this > email to.) > > I am the WHOIS contact at sixdegrees you sent this email to, and since > this is a peronal reply to your email, it is certainly NOT spam and I > would appreciate it if you would take the time to read it and respond. > > I am very confused by your email. I understand that you do not wish to > receive emails from sixdegrees, but it is very easy to solve this > problem. If anyone ever sponsors you for sixdegrees, simply reply to > the email and put the word "remove" in the header. (This is pretty > standard stuff across the Internet, as I am sure you are aware.) If > that occurs, in the future we will not send emails to the email address > that received the original email from us. (remainder of the nonsense I don't care to read is cut)

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It's finally over (was Re: Explanation of Harald Fragner and cypherpunks)
by Bart Troyan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---Mark Salamon <mark(a)sixdegrees.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the reply. I have now received about 10 such replies. We > will take them to heart, remove the cypherpunks and attempt to deal with > the mailing list issue in an intelligent way. > > And thanks, but we have enough magazine subscriptions already. :) > > Mark > > Bart Troyan wrote: > > > > OK, here's what happened. Someone signed up for sixdegrees using one or > > more of the cypherpunks addresses as their address, either deliberately in > > order to cause problems like this, or accidentally, not realizing what > > would happen. > > > > The real-world analogy would be for me and all my friends to get a bunch of > > magazines, rip out all those postage-paid subscription flaps, and fill out > > your name and address on each of them, then you'd have unwanted trial > > subscriptions to lots and lots of magazines. > > > > hmmmm... > > MacroView > > 90 William Street, Suite 301 > > New York, NY 10038 > > > > Wouldn't that suck? Can you imagine if 1000 people did that to you all the > > same day? (this is *not* a threat, just an example). You'd have bags and > > bags of zines and bills coming in daily... > > > > As I am sure you are aware, the net makes it REALLY EASY to screw someone > > over like that, by signing them up for all sorts of things with little > > effort. Even if you remove all the cypherpunks addresses, someone can come > > along and do it again. There must be a permanent solution...how about > > hardcoding a block on signing up with an address containing the string > > "cypherpunks" in your email software? Why should thousands of us on > > cypherpunks all have to do our own filtering to delete everything from > > @sixdegrees.com and still have to waste all that bandwidth when one site is > > the source of all of it, and it could be eradicated with a simple > > programming change? > > > > I assure you this is not the last time you'll see this problem occur--there > > are thousands of mailing lists out there, and lots of vindictive former > > subscribers for each one that would love to annoy everyone on the list for > > a while... and signing a list up for sixdegrees does the trick quite > > efficiently. > > > > -Bart > > > > Mark Salamon wrote: > > > What is confusing to me is that the email you received from sixdegrees > > > (with the subject: Harald Fragner) is one that would be sent ONLY to a > > > CONFIRMED sixdegrees user. That means that once upon a time, whether > > > you remember or not, you joined sixdegrees (as have over 1,000,000 > > > people to date). It also appears that you listed Harald Fragner as a >

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128 bit or 40 bit?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Being outside North America, I have an "export" version of Internet Explorer/Netscape Navigator. These offer 40 bit encryption. (40 bit RC4, I understand). My financial institution has a 128 bit Verisign certificate. To my surprise, they claim this offers 128 bit encryption to /me/. [in transactions to https://secure.mybank.com.xx] I thought my 40 bit client limited the security to 40 bits. Who is right? Please explain. TIA

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Re: Clinton still doesnt get it
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Frondeur writes: > Why do you believe the perjury case has `reasonable doubt' problems? Watch TV and learn the answer. It's only perjury if it's material, and the judge said it wasn't material. > And the abuse of power case seems thin even to a non-lawyer. But > where does the `executive privilege stuff' come in? I don't see > that Starr listed that among his possible grounds for impeachment. Among the grounds Starr listed was Clinton's attempt to delay the investigation by raising many legal objections. He claimed privilege, for example, with respect to Secret Service testimony. Most of his efforts were ultimately overruled.

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CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - September 16, 1998
by CTIA Daily News 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Encrypting files.
by Lars Weitze 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone now a program for WindozeNT to store encrypted data on harddisk. At the moment i use ZIP-Files with a Password on them (I now it is not very secure). I am living outside USA and do not want any software with backdoors ,"masterkeys" or stuff like that. Thanks ChromeDemon -- "One dead is a tragedy, thousand deads are a statistic." Karl Marx e-mail: chromedemon(a)netcologne.de http://chromedemon.home.pages.de http://www.netcologne.de/~nc-weitzela2

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RE: Democracy...
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone wrote: >Religion has nothing to do with 'faith' or 'Churches' What definition of "religion" are you using. I am very hard pressed to find single definition that does not involve *faith*, although I have yet to find a good etymological dictionary on the Internet (anyone know of one?). You are correct that religion need not have anything to do with church. >A man may be an atheist and be religious. Greek: a- (without) + [theos (god) + ismos (practice or doctrine)] Unless you can show me a religion that does not involve a god or gods, and although etymologically unjustified I would claim one that does not involve *faith*, then I would say you could NOT be both an atheist and religious. Agnostic perhaps, but not an atheist. You can be contradictory and hypocritical and claim you are many things, but we are talking about a coherent philosophy. You can be both spiritual and an atheist. Spirituality does not require faith in any external mystical element or being. Jaeger wrote: > notice the wording in the first amendment...it only restricts gov't > restrictions on religion. What part of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" didn't you understand? As with most the constitution, however, this is theory, not practice. In practice there are many laws and case precedence establishing and preferring certain religious practices, particularly the institution of marriage. Jim wrote: > The 1st prevents the government from regulating religion, even to the > point of having the authority to define what a religion is. I agree, but clearly they have. Particularly all the IRS code involving certain exemptions for religious organizations and individuals. Like I said above, theory versus practice, we are essentially no longer living under the constitution. Matt

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sixdegreees spam
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has any cypherpunk not noticed that all sixdegrees participants have twodegreees (TM) of separation via the sixdegrees site????

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Re: 128 bit or 40 bit?
by Alex de Joode 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <67ee9e3cc8499f9d72a11a2df56c48fe@anonymous> you wrote: : Being outside North America, I have an "export" version of : Internet Explorer/Netscape Navigator. These offer 40 bit : encryption. (40 bit RC4, I understand). : My financial institution has a 128 bit Verisign certificate. : To my surprise, they claim this offers 128 bit encryption to /me/. : [in transactions to https://secure.mybank.com.xx] : I thought my 40 bit client limited the security to 40 bits. : Who is right? Please explain. All browsers have the 128 bits encryption inthem, but in the non-US version it can only enabled by a 'special cert'. Banks are the only institutions that are currently allowed to recieve such an cert. This is also why fortify.net works as it does, anyways, we also offer 128 bit versions of the popular browsers *g* -- Alex de Joode | International CryptoRunners | http://www.replay.com 'A little paranoia can longer your life'

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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: Democracy... > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:00:09 -0700 > Unless you can show me a religion that does not involve a god or gods, > and although etymologically unjustified I would claim one that does not > involve *faith*, then I would say you could NOT be both an atheist and > religious. Agnostic perhaps, but not an atheist. You can be > contradictory and hypocritical and claim you are many things, but we are > talking about a coherent philosophy. Try pantheism. If one fundamentaly believes that god does not exist, which clearly involves faith, then yes it is a religion. A religion is a belief system that provides a relationship between the individual and the totality of all else (the cosmos if you'll allow me). By your view an agnostic can't be religion since it is the recognition of a *lack* of faith, clearly something you require to be religous. An atheist says that god could exist but doesn't - clearly an act of faith. There are fundamentaly two types of religions, those that recognize some for of transcendance and those that don't. Quibbling over what is the 'correct' form of transcendence is as irrelevant as arguing over the 'correct' religion. In either case the same failure to understand human psychology is committed. In short it is the axiomatic assumption that there *is* a single anything that will satisfy everyone. > You can be both spiritual and an atheist. Spirituality does not require > faith in any external mystical element or being. What do you mean by 'spiritual'? Are you refering to a ghost-in-the-machine either at the individual or cosmological level? Whether one believes that mystical element is external (which if you understood God would clearly be seen to be a non sequitar with the rest of your argument) or internal is irrelevant. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: the people
by bmccaffrey＠executive.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monday, September 14, 1998 - 23:20:36 Question: How is it, that the FBI has so much power? Answer: Because 'the people' didn't do swat to stop them[the FBI]. Question: How do 'the people' change the situation? Answer: 'The people' get out their banners and megaphones and march on the Congress. Question: What do 'the people' do then they[Congress] don't hear 'the people'? Answer: 'The people' go on strike. Question: What do 'the people' do when Congress doesn't care about their strikes? Answer: 'The people' fire their M16'eens at Congress which they brought with them. Question: So where are 'the people'? Answer: At home watching the coverage of these exciting events on TV.

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Re: Democracy... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:02:22 -0700 > From: Michael Motyka <mmotyka(a)lsil.com> > Subject: Re: Democracy... > All right Mr. Logic, you're so sharp, give me ONE example of a *moral* > absolute. Morality and the distinctions that can be drawn from it are a consequence of the individual and the characteristics of their milieu and their species. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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JDesignerPro 3.0 Enterprise Edition
by BulletProof Customer Support 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: It's finally over (was Re: Explanation of Harald Fragner and cypherpunks)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> ---Mark Salamon <mark(a)sixdegrees.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the reply. I have now received about 10 such > > replies. We will take them to heart, remove the cypherpunks > > and attempt to deal with the mailing list issue in an > > intelligent way. Most lists and services have dealt with the problem of someone accidentally subscribing or maliciously subscribing someone else in one of two ways: A) send and acknowledgement message with a randomly generated authorization code that requires the user to respond. B) send out a password and require the user to login before account is activated. This works only if you assume the malicious individual will not receive mail sent to that address. This therefore falls down when the address is a mailing list or other distribution point that the malicious individual has access to directly or via archives. What we really need is an automated system that could authorize/deny an address prior to the code/password being sent that would keep track of distribution list addresses and such. Perhaps I'll create one myself soon. Matt

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Your new password
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Announcement: Mac-Crypto Conference Oct 6-9, 1998
by vinnie＠vmeng.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Membership of the Mac-Crypto List invites you to The Third Annual Macintosh Cryptography and Internet Commerce Software Development Workshop October 6 - 9th, 1998 Town Hall Auditorium Apple R&D Campus 4 Infinite Loop, Cupertino, CA, USA Keeping with tradition, this is still free workshop, but we'd *really* like it if you register (see below). We are once again hosting our annual workshop, where you are sure to find the latest and greatest information about whats going on in the Macintosh cryptography world. A lot has happened in the past year in the world of the Internet and Cryptography, so this year, thanks to popular demand we have allocated more time and a larger hall for developers to talk about what they are working on. PRELIMINARY WORKSHOP TOPICS: (more to come) Introductions and Overviews: Intro to Crypto Systems Export Controls & Crypto software Crypto Opportunities for the Mac Tech Stuff: AppleShare Authentication Architecture PGPticket - A Secure Authorization Protocol The AltaVec PowerPC Architecture Apple Security Architecture Overview. Apple Keychain / Subwoofer update OpenPGP & the IETF standards process Overview of Crypto API's and Toolkits Applications of Cryptography RC5 cracking effort & the Mac PGPUAM - Appleshare Public Key Authentication Graphically displaying the Web of Trust Anonymous Communications and the Macintosh Open Sessions: As requested we scheduled lots of time for developer demos and open discussions plus the much asked for and a PGP Keysigning party ... and plenty of time for developers to network with each other and Apple. We have also left time open for a few last-minute speakers. If you would like to present a paper or give a talk, please contact Vinnie Moscaritolo at vinnie(a)apple.com To find out more about previous Mac-Crypto workshops check out our webpage at http://www.vmeng.com/mc/ REGISTRATION: To register, complete the following form, and email it to mac-crypto-conference(a)vmeng.com with the subject line REGISTRATION Registration is limited to 300 attendees, so be sure to register early. _______________________________________________________________________ * Name: * Email Address: Title: Affliation: Address: Telephone: Comments: _______________________________________________________________________ Local Hotels: Cupertino Inn, 800-222-4828 Pretty much Across the Street. Cupertino Courtyard by Marriot, 800-321-2211 5 Minute Drive Inn at Saratoga 408-867-5020 About 3 Miles See you in Cupertino on October 6 - 9th! Vinnie Moscaritolo Apple World Wide Developer Support DSS/DH: 3F903472C3AF622D5D918D9BD8B100090B3EF042 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0 iQA/AwUBNgA9BR16LYZvFyoKEQKYAACfXK7uA40tX1DRy44zTaqkesDs5TkAoKS3 Fx/5lcgO9b6Wqfsibdpc1MRz =c+ZP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Clinton still doesnt get it
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous writes: > > Frondeur writes: > > > Why do you believe the perjury case has `reasonable doubt' problems? > > Watch TV and learn the answer. It's only perjury if it's material, > and the judge said it wasn't material. This doesn't speak to `reasonable doubt' which was the subject under discussion. Or are you arguing that a defense to perjury is that there is reasonable doubt that a question was material? Go watch TV and report back with the answer. > > And the abuse of power case seems thin even to a non-lawyer. But > > where does the `executive privilege stuff' come in? I don't see > > that Starr listed that among his possible grounds for impeachment. > > Among the grounds Starr listed was Clinton's attempt to delay the > investigation by raising many legal objections. He claimed privilege, > for example, with respect to Secret Service testimony. Most of his > efforts were ultimately overruled. Yes, but I assumed Mac had included this under the `abuse of power' heading since he explicitly cited that topic in his message to which I was responding, and since that appeared to match one of the broad headings under which Starr classifies his possible `grounds for impeachment': "...that President Clinton's actions ... have been inconsistent with the President's constitutional duty to faithfully execute the laws. " I see nowhere that Starr claims that it was illegal/impeachable for Clinton to have claimed executive privilege. He merely notes that Clinton used it (extensively) along with a bunch of other tactics to delay and impede the investigation. - Frondeur

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RE: Encrypting files.
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PGP International for file encryption, NTSentry or BestCrypt for virtual-disk encryption. PGP International STFM BestCrypt http://www.jetico.sci.fi/bcnt.htm NTSentry http://www.softwinter.com/sentry.html All are outside the US. If anyone has other good recommendations, please add them. Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Lars Weitze [mailto:chromedemon@netcologne.de] > Does anyone now a program for WindozeNT to store encrypted > data on harddisk.

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Re: Is nym.alias.net down?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > > Is nym.alias.net down? I've sent a request twice using > a different remailer chain each time yet it still doesn't > reply. It's been about two days since I sent it in. > > I did however create a nym with dongco.hyperreal.art.pl. > Is this service reliable? or will it disppear quickly? Please, try creating a testxxx by direct mail first. Then upgrade to a remailer chain.

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Your new password
by sixdegrees 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: 128 bit or 40 bit?
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> All browsers have the 128 bits encryption inthem, but in the > non-US version it can only enabled by a 'special cert'. So what makes it so "special?" A special CA? What happens when that special CA expires, cannot the user add/modify certs, or does everyone need to patch their MSIE (or whatever) when that happens. Matt

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fascinating quote........
by William J. Hartwell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This was passed to me by a friend, it may have already made it here and I missed it. If so forgive the redundant post. "Yes, the president should resign. He has lied to the American people, time and time again, and betrayed their trust. Since he has admitted guilt, there is no reason to put the American people through an impeachment. He will serve absolutely no purpose in finishing out his term, the only possible solution is for the president to save some dignity and resign." - From 12th Congressional District Hopeful William Jefferson Clinton during the Nixon investigations -- William J. Hartwell (602)987-8436 Queencreek, Az. billh(a)ibag.com billh(a)interdem.com billh(a)hartwell.net

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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Try pantheism. If one fundamentaly believes that god does not > exist, which clearly involves faith, then yes it is a religion. Then I guess you could say that pantheism is an atheist religion, as opposed to a theist religion. My nice definition of atheism is reason over faith, science over mysticism, basically an anti-religion. While that may be etymologically unjustified, it does accurately reflect the views of the majority of people I know who call themselves atheist, myself included. Notice my brackets: a- (without) + [theos (god) + ismos (practice or doctrine)] not [a- (without) + theos (god)] + ismos (practice or doctrine) > By your view an agnostic can't be religion No, and it's not, it's like standing in the doorway of a religion, not sure whether to enter or leave, perhaps practicing but not believing. Such indecisiveness annoys me, but it accounts for the majority of the population. Matt

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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: Democracy... (fwd) > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:07:37 -0700 > > Try pantheism. If one fundamentaly believes that god does not > > exist, which clearly involves faith, then yes it is a religion. > > Then I guess you could say that pantheism is an atheist religion, as > opposed to a theist religion. You could, but you'd be wrong. > My nice definition of atheism is reason over faith, science over > mysticism, basically an anti-religion. While that may be etymologically > unjustified, it does accurately reflect the views of the majority of > people I know who call themselves atheist, myself included. Atheism means that one believes that there is no God. > > By your view an agnostic can't be religion > > No, and it's not, it's like standing in the doorway of a religion, not > sure whether to enter or leave, perhaps practicing but not believing. Ah, so there are personal beliefs that aren't religion and then there are personal beliefs that are? What a self-rightous, pretentious, egotistical viewpoint. Your view is *exactly* why the 1st was put in there. > Such indecisiveness annoys me, but it accounts for the majority of the > population. Actualy not, the vast majority of people believe in God, just not your particular brand - which after all is what the 1st is all about. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Democracy... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: silly(a)ofb.net > Subject: Re: Democracy... > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:27:36 -0700 (PDT) > > > The congress doesn't pass laws regarding marriages. > > Yet. > Not really true, IMO. Consider > > http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d104:HR03396:@@@L > > Signed into law in 1996, The Defense of Marriage Act, seeks to define > "marriage" as a marriage between one man and one woman, in an attempt to > prevent gay people from getting, say, married in Hawaii and then getting > the same protection as other married people. > > Unfortunately, it it seems to be in character with the "full faith and > credit" clause (Article IV, Section 1) of the U.S. Constitution, which > follows "And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the > Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, > and the Effect thereof." > > The same rationale could be used in turning state-issued driver's > licenses into National ID Cards, couldn't it? Section 1. Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The interpetation you offer is bogus. The article says Congress shall pass what laws are deemed necessary to guarantee that the rights and priviliges of one state are enjoyed in the others. It does *NOT* say they have a right to define *what those privileges actualy are*. It has one other effect in that it prohibits safe haven states. Though it would seem to imply that once a person changed residence from one state to another and obtained citizenship in the new state some extradition could be refused... Example: Bob is living in Texas and growing pot, it is illegal. In Louisana on the other hand personal possession is allowed for quantities up to 500 lbs. Bob decides that he would rather live in Louisiana. Until Bob actualy obtained Louisiana citizenship he would still be considered a Texas resident and therefore responsible to the laws of that state. So if Texas were to extradite prior to Louisiana citizenship Bob would have to be extradited. However, once Bob became a Louisiana citizen and no longer a Texas citizen his prior actions wouldn't be extraditable. A sort of get out of jail free card. At no point is Congress given the authority to define state law, only that it must guarantee a representative form of government in each state - not that they all have to be identical. The 10th would prevent such an extension of authority. The reality is the actual law could be incredibly simple: Every state shall respect and protect the rights and priviliges of any citizen of another state who is resident within the boundaries of the state. The state shall further protect those rights even if they are in direct conflict with the laws of that state. So if a Texas DPS officer pulled over a car from Louisiana he couldn't hassle them in regards to the pot they had in the car. Even though it was illegal for Texas citizens. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Democracy... - an extension of speculation
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: [related stuff deleted] > Every state shall respect and protect the rights and priviliges of any > citizen of another state who is resident within the boundaries of the state. > The state shall further protect those rights even if they are in direct > conflict with the laws of that state. > > So if a Texas DPS officer pulled over a car from Louisiana he couldn't > hassle them in regards to the pot they had in the car. Even though it was > illegal for Texas citizens. One way that Texas could address this issue is that the instant somebody enters the state of Texas they are instant citizens. The downside is that they could then vote. This leads to the potential of having persons spin-loop through states gaining citizenship and voting. So Texas would probably require 30 days or such, retaining the original intent of the Constitution and the Amendments. The founding fathers were strong believes in voting with ones feet in regards discussion and expression of personal beliefs. The United States are supposed to be a haven for personal freedom. ____________________________________________________________________ The seeker is a finder. Ancient Persian Proverb The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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PLEASE CONSIDER THIS TERRIFIC HOME BUSINESS !
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17 Dec '03

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Gore, Others on Crypto Policy
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There's a transcript of today's White House press conference on the new US encryption policy at: http://jya.com/vp091698.htm VP Gore, Justice, FBI, DoD, NSA, CIA, BXA and cooperating industry were there explaining the way it's supposed to satisfy all interests of the agencies and a few good businesses if not the citizenry. Domestic crypto restrictions? Well, take a look at how that was punted. And what the FBI is setting up to see that law enforcement needs are met, and what DoD is planning for surveilling the globe, strong crypto or not. Not a word about backdoors, TA, DIRT, keyboard snooping, covert chip features, compromising emanations, national technical means, just assurances that the plan satisfies the interests of the protectors.

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Announcement: Mac-Crypto Conference Oct 6-9, 1998
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: vinnie(a)vmeng.com Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:47:54 -0700 Subject: Announcement: Mac-Crypto Conference Oct 6-9, 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 To: undisclosed-recipients:; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Membership of the Mac-Crypto List invites you to The Third Annual Macintosh Cryptography and Internet Commerce Software Development Workshop October 6 - 9th, 1998 Town Hall Auditorium Apple R&D Campus 4 Infinite Loop, Cupertino, CA, USA Keeping with tradition, this is still free workshop, but we'd *really* like it if you register (see below). We are once again hosting our annual workshop, where you are sure to find the latest and greatest information about whats going on in the Macintosh cryptography world. A lot has happened in the past year in the world of the Internet and Cryptography, so this year, thanks to popular demand we have allocated more time and a larger hall for developers to talk about what they are working on. PRELIMINARY WORKSHOP TOPICS: (more to come) Introductions and Overviews: Intro to Crypto Systems Export Controls & Crypto software Crypto Opportunities for the Mac Tech Stuff: AppleShare Authentication Architecture PGPticket - A Secure Authorization Protocol The AltaVec PowerPC Architecture Apple Security Architecture Overview. Apple Keychain / Subwoofer update OpenPGP & the IETF standards process Overview of Crypto API's and Toolkits Applications of Cryptography RC5 cracking effort & the Mac PGPUAM - Appleshare Public Key Authentication Graphically displaying the Web of Trust Anonymous Communications and the Macintosh Open Sessions: As requested we scheduled lots of time for developer demos and open discussions plus the much asked for and a PGP Keysigning party ... and plenty of time for developers to network with each other and Apple. We have also left time open for a few last-minute speakers. If you would like to present a paper or give a talk, please contact Vinnie Moscaritolo at vinnie(a)apple.com To find out more about previous Mac-Crypto workshops check out our webpage at http://www.vmeng.com/mc/ REGISTRATION: To register, complete the following form, and email it to mac-crypto-conference(a)vmeng.com with the subject line REGISTRATION Registration is limited to 300 attendees, so be sure to register early. _______________________________________________________________________ * Name: * Email Address: Title: Affliation: Address: Telephone: Comments: _______________________________________________________________________ Local Hotels: Cupertino Inn, 800-222-4828 Pretty much Across the Street. Cupertino Courtyard by Marriot, 800-321-2211 5 Minute Drive Inn at Saratoga 408-867-5020 About 3 Miles See you in Cupertino on October 6 - 9th! Vinnie Moscaritolo Apple World Wide Developer Support DSS/DH: 3F903472C3AF622D5D918D9BD8B100090B3EF042 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0 iQA/AwUBNgA9BR16LYZvFyoKEQKYAACfXK7uA40tX1DRy44zTaqkesDs5TkAoKS3 Fx/5lcgO9b6Wqfsibdpc1MRz =c+ZP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Voices
by Edwin E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thank you for your thoughtful and honest response. I am interested in the two meanings of "Just". When you say you have blind spots do you mean that you delude yourself in some ways? I would say this is true of all of us, however I would say that by recognizing that you do have shortcomings you are making an effort at improving. I also have many shortcomings and I am trying to improve. I tend to be rather intolerant of stupid people who think they are so superior and that their way is the only way people should live. They will never hesitate to lecture others about their concept of morality, which usually involves the use of weapons and stealing, for the greater good. Such is the morality of the current occupant of the Whitehouse. I tend to lecture people about the value of freedom and peaceful persuasion to get what I want. It is a benifit to many to trade peacefully rather than take what we want by force. This is my concept of what is just. It is my concept of the "Greater Good." I carry this to the extreme that if it comes down to the issue of if my survival can only be secured by the use of force to steal from others thereby taking their life or any part of it, then it is right that I should die. I don't have any children so I cannot say what I would do if it came down to the life of one of mine. I would be very much more tolerant of a mother who was put in this situation. I once, long ago had it explained to me the difference between charity and welfare. Don Tarbell explained that if he were to see a person who was starving. He would help them in whatever way he wanted short of stealing. Welfare on the other hand steals from people who might have contributed voluntarily but then resent being forced to help. Welfare is unjust. I have recently began reading what promises to be a very good book. It is "People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck M. D. It is about human evil. One of the responses to a quote from the book which I posted was "Ask the antelope if he thinks the lion is evil, perhaps you have this view because no animal considers you a tasty morsel." This is non-responsive in that we are talking about Human Evil and BTW there are many animals which would consider me much more than a "tasty morsel." We have very large aligators here in Florida which often eat small children, however very few people consider them evil by human standards, they are simply doing what they do. The difference is that humans have, by deciding to be civil toward one another, decided that they will not eat each other and eat lower forms of life instead. Perhaps we should ask cows if they think WE are evil. As to freedom of speech. I believe that I have much to gain by listening to what others have to say. This is a rational attitude I think because communication is what separates us from the lower forms of animals. It allows us, with our short lifespans to capitalize on creative ideas which our larger brains made possible. Without communication those ideas would die with us. We would be very little better off than chimpanzies. Perhaps able to fashion tools but unable to show others how to do the same. Each creation would have to be repeated in each individual. But because I can communicate that idea which I have created to another, even though I didn't act upon it, the idea will outlive me and be a benifit to many. The wheel is an invention so old that it is impossible to discover when it was first used. But although it was surely created over and over many times it's spread was accomplished many times faster because the concept could be drawn on the wall of a cave with another very useful invention. This is the vaule of communication and "free speech." Speech and the written word and now the internet. Not many realize that the internet is the most significant advance in technological evolution to have happened in a very long time. Why do I say this? Because it has enhanced communication manyfold. Radio and TV are one- way only and are inferior to the printing press so don''t represent much of an advance. Any attempt by governments to curtail this enhanced speech is, in my opinion evil. Edwin At 05:10 PM 9/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >Am I Just? That is a difficult question to answer because "just" has two >distinctly different definitions, and several nuances in the one definition >which your use of the word implies. I am reasonable--or try to be-- but I >do have my blind spots. Also, I am "just" in that I recognized in your >statement about "voices" the essence of a healthy belief in freedom of >speech with your strongly stated recognition that it is an endangered >freedom when access to the means of distributing speech is limited to a >chosen few who represent a very narrow spectrum of ideas. The Internet has >provided a marvelous solution to that problem. It will be fascinating to >observe how this freedom of access to the means of distributing speech on a >global scale will affect the cultures of all nations whose citizens are >allowed to get "on line" and participate in the exchange of ideas and the >discussion that ensues. > >Elizabeth >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNgBP9UmNf6b56PAtEQL0PQCfdySiIPGgD0YcIhsJofO9MEDS06UAoJK9 z3c+1YDfVnq/RF9L2O1d01ei =3hNv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The AOL Chronicles
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Every time one of these AOL wars start, the AOLers claim that there are a few intelligent people on AOL and that our shunning of them based on statistics is unjustified. We all know what the statistics are, but I don't think anybody has done this for Cypherpunks yet. It has been done other places. This isn't scientific with margins of error and everything, but it's good enough to illustrate the point. I went through every posting originating from AOL which was sent to Cypherpunks between July and September 16th, which is today. I classified postings as either "clueful" or "clueless," with the latter determined by relevance to the list, literacy, quoting, and whether it makes any sense at all. Anything completely stupid is also classed as "clueless." "Clueful" is anything which is even remotely relevant to the list, and includes quoted material if a followup. In addition, if an AOL user sends something clueless to the list then gets flamed, that posting and any subsequent postings in that thread by the original author are counted as clueless unless it's an apology, at which point it isn't counted at all. The flames of said user are counted as defense, not as clueless. Also, if I looked at the message but couldn't tell what the hell the author was talking about because he didn't bother to quote, I classed the posting as clueless. A "*" denotes that the portion I quote is the entire message. A "+" denotes that there was either no quoted material in the message or that it used the "<<>>" style. Keep in mind that messages which are original would not have quoted material, but still have a "+". A "H" means that it contained HTML. I removed all new lines from the quotes to make them more compact. If the posting was large, I quoted only some parts. Clueless posts from AOL: 1) "At least they have TCP/IP protocols now with Win 95 ex: Hiroshima 45, Tsjernobyl 86, Windows 95 (Please, correct my spelling if I misspelled Tsjernobyl)" -- FTPPork(a)aol.com (Porker), 18 Aug 1998, (+) 2) "Ibelive by spooks he ment goverment agents not a racial slur so lay off." -- ILovToHack(a)aol.com, 31 Aug 1998, (+*) 3) "judy -- how about let's go shopping first and then watch the show remotely together????" -- Syniker(a)aol.com, 16 Jul 1998, (+) 4) "please i need some suggestions with topics for my informative speech, or may some infromative speeches already outlined to use it for refrence. thankyou." -- KMHAsfaha(a)aol.com, 17 Jul 1998, (*+) 5) "d" -- Saxgrim(a)aol.com, 18 Jul 1998, (*+) 6) "send me the book (e/mail me back" -- JackeI466(a)aol.com, 19 Jul 1998, (+*) 7) "Hello: My name is Enisa, I'm 13 years old. I write an online e-zine that for teens. We have over 150+ members. We just started a few days ago. We are looking for sponsors to sponsor our contests. These are some of the things we are able to do for you..." -- Craz8Grl(a)aol.com, 20 Jul 1998, (+H) 8) "you got it?" -- LrdWill(a)aol.com, 20 Jul 1998, (+*) 9) "would love to see info re; international credit cards." -- TTrump5646(a)aol.com, 21 Jul 1998, (+*) 10) "i would be very delighted if u gave me a free download for 5.0 realplayer.if u would send it to mike111495(a)aol.com and indoe29c(a)aol.com we will be very honored to receive them. thankx and goodbye" -- Mike111495(a)aol.com, 22 Jul 1998, (+*) 11) [A bunch of asterisks and screaming] "I was recently informed from sorces who choose to remain annomous about a viri that uses macafe's update tool to detect when it is found then it modifys its code and forms a new strain of the virus this pattern continues although it has only been tested through a clone of macafees server to 100 mutations it looks like it could be a big problem I will inform you of any more information i learn about it but for now "THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE"" -- ILovToHack(a)aol.com, 22 Jul 1998, (+*) 12) "WHY CANT I FIND ANY WHITE AMERICAN YOUTH ALBUMS ANYWHERE?" -- koitch(a)aol.com, 23 Jul 1998, (+*) 13) [Subject: Pipe bombs r better] "they rule!" -- Ant6menace(a)aol.com, 23 Jul 1998, (+*) 14) "Actually, AOL, along with being an acceptable ISP with built in authentication of sender, has an easily used Mail interface. (Even if it doesn't exactly follow the standards.)" -- MMerlynne(a)aol.com, 24 Jul 1998, (+*), in response to #12. 15) "HELLO, IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET MY HANDS ON S BOOK THAT SHOWS THE REAL BASEBALL PEOPLE AUTOGRAPHS AND THE FAKES SO I KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR??? PLEASE REPLY" -- AT666IND(a)aol.com, 25 Jul 1998, (+*) 16) "I am trying to find my brother, "Allen Thomas Taylor" I am not sure what year he was born but I think it was l922, l923. We have the same Father[...]" -- CEr1942929(a)aol.com (Christine Ernest), 26 Jul 1998, (+) 17) "Hey: Who made up the term "Politically Correct"? Not Christians and not Republicans. Your side did. How does wanting a smaller government, less taxes, the freedom to CHOOSE to pray in schools, the rights of the un-born( of[...] CHOKE ON IT YOU HYPOCRITE" -- JBrown4330(a)aol.com, 27 Jul 1998, (+) 18) "do you have music vinyl stickers , if so , could i get them wholesale?" -- Babybee390(a)aol.com, 29 Jul 1998, (+*) 19) "I'm looking for Lynrd Skynrds Freebird on a window sticker for my car. Do you know where I can find one?" -- Vox9869(a)aol.com, 28 Jul 1998, (+*) 20) "More!" -- CLCTCHR(a)aol.com, 29 Jul 1998, (+*) 21) "Can you do a 5 color process? 4x4". Price on 500,1000,1500" -- ELarson100(a)aol.com, 4 Aug 1998, (+*) 22) [Subject: whut up] "looking for a place to have some Band stickers made, can you email me a phone number so we can check out some prices.....thanks TIm" -- FRETELUCO(a)aol.com, 6 Aug 1998, (+*) 23) "Could you please send me the Anarchy Cookbook.....I really want it and I cant find it anywhere! Thanx for your help.. Mike Jonhson" -- XoVoX123(a)aol.com, 9 Aug 1998, (+*) 24) [Subject: .] "" (Yes, nothing.) -- EpicTeU(a)aol.com, 9 Aug 1998, (+*) 25) "Come on thake it easy on the guy at least he aint on AOL or somthing stuped." -- ILovToHack(a)aol.com, 13 Aug 1998, () 26) [Subject: Subject: LOL. Made me look] "" (Yes, nothing.) -- Seabiner(a)aol.com, 14 Aug 1998, (+*) 27) "about: Hello, I am trying to start a VB 32 bit code bank you can send any code you want to exept codes for aol addons... . 1nce a week most likely on fridays I will check the hotmail account specifyed below and I will take all the codes and put them in a txt file and send it to everyone who sent a code in since I am [...] To send Codes for the ML Send E-mail to VB32Coders(a)Hotmail.com In the sbject field write anonymous / Code topic if you don't want your E-Mail address to show up when I send the Codes out or else just type the topic of the code you are sending.. ." -- EpicTeU(a)aol.com, 14 Aug 1998, (+) 28) "Because the American Justice system is screwed up royally... for instance - Kevin Mitnick... www.KevinMitnick.com" -- FTPPork(a)aol.com, 17 Aug 1998, (+*) 29) "I am interested in travel between Knoxville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa. I would also be interested in Nashville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa or Atlanta and Des Moines, Iowa. Please notify me of specials in these markets. Thanks, Linda Tisue ltisue(a)aol.com" -- Ltisue(a)aol.com, 18 Aug 1998, (+*) 30) "I am looking to distribute a product and I was wondering if you can tell me how to get mass e mail addresses. I look forward to hearing from you." -- LHilley488(a)aol.com, 19 Aug 1998, (+*) 31) "Send me info on how to make a pipe bomb. HoppyF1315" -- HOPPYF1215(a)aol.com (Hoppy Head), 19 Aug 1998, (+*) 32) "I take that statement as an insult, and it really isn't true about all of us AOL users. [...] Actually, some of us know what real hacking is...[...] Anyway, try not to stereotype people so much, because, with the Advent of 32 bit AOL, we can actually use all of the TCP/IP protocols, etc..." -- FTPPork(a)aol.com, 20 Aug 1998, (+) 33) [Subject: anarchy cookbook] "Is any one home?" -- Spazherp(a)aol.com, 21 Aug 1998, (+*) 34) "I did not say anywhere that 32 bit would fix problems of cluelessness - or ignorance in your case. I said, it is a little better because we can now use TCP/IP protocols. Did I ever say that the people on AOL were smarter because of it? Well, let's go read over that post - - - nope... I didn't. I think some people should read a little more carefully, or just don't read at all." -- FTPPork(a)aol.com, 22 Aug 1998, (+*) (As I recall, this one was in response to a set of flames which cited his assertion in #32.) 35) [Subject: can you help me make virses please tell me who to make one step by step] "I need help i want to know how to make a virses in c\c++ please help me." -- VXF32(a)aol.com, 21 Aug 1998, (+*) 36) "Tell me how to get tons of free stuff! Thank You ." -- RAGOD5597(a)aol.com, 21 Aug 1998, (+*) 37) "Here we go again" -- FTPPork(a)aol.com, 22 Aug 1998, (+*) 38) [Subject: tell me] "hola and good tidings send some info on spooks please i will be grateful" -- RyanFord(a)aol.com, 29 Aug 1998, (+*) 39) [Subject: h] "how did u do it" -- CRBREW9802(a)aol.com, 7 Sep 1998, (+*) 40) " HaCkaZ OnlY Da EliTeHelLO YaLL DiS is Da MaDD AAOOLL HaCka Ima startin a GreWp fOR HaCs Only So In OthA WerDS yA gOttA KnOw The WAreZ anD HoW toO UsEr FaTe AnD AOL So MaIl Or Im Me FoR Da TeTaIls If YeR LeeTo K Pe@CE FrOmE The LeeTs HacKJeFFrO)" -- Jrjeffro(a)aol.com, 9 Sep 1998, (+*) 41) Message quoting the above, which wasn't originally sent to the list, in "<< >>" style, adding only: "What the hell is this? No wonder why AOLers have a bad name Im going to Flame this guy" -- EpicTeU(a)aol.com, 10 Sep 1998, (+*) 42) "Preach on brother =)" -- AIMSX(a)aol.com, 15 Sep 1998, (+*), copied to 25 other recipients, plus the list. 43) "I read that book" -- AIMSX(a)aol.com, 15 Sep 1998, (+*) 44) "All Creatures Great and Small - that one... =) I also read an Aasimov a while back in fifth grade - unfortunately, I can't remember even the name... I need to pick some of his books up again... One book I can remember reading since 5th grade (and every summer thereafter) is "IT" by Stephen King - one of his few really good books. I have read it 8 times since. I greatly recommend it =)" -- AIMSX(a)aol.com, 15 Sep 1998, (+*) 45) "We are sending you an invitation to be one of our special guests this year, big harry ass lawsuits are always of interest. Bring a friend if you like, but I have to warn you, Liberatarians are not welcome. This years menu includes red meat and poptarts. Clothing is optional. Sincerely, Beth" -- BUFFU(a)aol.com, 17 Jul 1998, (+*) 46) "That's why I suggest listening to I Robot by Alan Parson's Project." -- StanSqncrs(a)aol.com, 18 Jul 1998, (+*) 47) "If sombody offers you some FedGov, just say NO!" -- Nilsphone(a)aol.com, 23 Jul 1998, (), copied to 32 recipients, including the list. Note the "+" ratings on the below. (Semi-)Clueful postings from AOL: 1) "It's the easy way out (and I mean DOWN and OUT)! I mean, if we're simply going to change them out everytime, why bother to figure out which ones a going to change them out everytime, why bother to figure out which ones aren't evil/stupid (I mean, out of all those politicians, there's got to be 1 or 2! I think. ;-) )? See, if we just simply change politicians at every chance, then we throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. The simple solutions aren't always the best ones." -- StanSqncrs(a)aol.com, 17 Jul 1998, (+*) 2) "ROFLOL! What's coincidental? The latest tune that my band, Nobody's Business (in which I play bass and sing) has learned, is Cheap Sunglasses by ZZ Top. If it ain't coinicidence, I got a 'scarecrow' in my band. " -- StanSqncrs(a)aol.com, 18 Jul 1998, (+) 3) [Subject: Subject: Nomination of Lyndon Larouche to the UNITED NATIONS OF THE FRINGE] "Hey Punks, As a United Nations OF the Cyber Fringe Member, I am asking for your input on giving Lyndon a nomination. So far his war crimes only include[...]" -- BUFFU(a)aol.com, 20 Jul 1998, (+) 4) "If you would like information about tempest monitors, computers, printers or secure fax machines, please contact me." -- CompSec01(a)aol.com (Karen Azoff), 22 Jul 1998, (+) I gave up at this point because the clueless list just kept growing. The ratio isn't encouraging, especially since I was being generous with what is considered a "clueful post."

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Re: It's finally over (was Re: Explanation of Harald Fragner and cyph
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > And thanks, but we have enough magazine subscriptions already. :) > > > > Mark > > > > Bart Troyan wrote: > > > > > > The real-world analogy would be for me and all my friends to get a bunch of > > > magazines, rip out all those postage-paid subscription flaps, and fill out > > > your name and address on each of them, then you'd have unwanted trial > > > subscriptions to lots and lots of magazines. > > > > > > hmmmm... > > > MacroView > > > 90 William Street, Suite 301 > > > New York, NY 10038 > > > > > > Wouldn't that suck? Can you imagine if 1000 people did that to you all the > > > same day? (this is *not* a threat, just an example). You'd have bags and > > > bags of zines and bills coming in daily... This sounds like a plan. In fact, we can do this for all spam domains. Interested, Tim? Registrant: MacroView (SIXDEGREES-DOM) 90 William Street, Suite 301 New York, NY 10038 Domain Name: SIXDEGREES.COM

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RE: It's finally over (was Re: Explanation of Harald Fragner and cypherpunks)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes, but you can't expect the masses sign all their email, not yet anyway, so you cannot require cryptographic authentication for mailing lists and services subscriptions (esp. for-profit services that would not like to turn away anyone). That is what you are talking about isn't it? Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: William H. Geiger III [mailto:whgiii@invweb.net] > >What we really need is an automated system that could > >authorize/deny an address prior to the code/password > >being sent that would keep track of distribution list > >addresses and such. > > >Perhaps I'll create one myself soon. > > PGP, Digital signatures, CA's, Authentication, ... This *is* a crypto > related group isn't it? > > How does Thwart, Verisign, or the other CA's handle > authentication of an e-mail address in there low level cert -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNgBgOxU5HlNX4dnFEQKQSACghI+z9TK3uXdAbUQMfX2e+ksuk38An3s9 aV7TVzna/+S+cxFXrOmzoxOW =n91J -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Caligula, My Father, Bill Clinton
by Lazlo Toth 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think people are finding it much easier to relate to your Mr. Clinton lately... -Lazlo ------------- Caligula, My Father, Bill Clinton by Sam Lipsyte >From Nerve Magazine http://www.nervemag.com/Lipsyte/caligula/ >... > Of course you want her breasts first. I want her breasts first. I >want her in the blue-black dress and I want her breasts first. > I am the President. I've been doing this shit all my life, and I want >her breasts first. I can tell what they will look like already, round and >full and pale with a tiny beautiful vein like a quiet river running to >her heart. I want to squeeze and suckle. That's all I ever really ever >ever wanted. The suits, the speeches, sure, the airplane, sure, but those >fuckers are always after me for more and more of me and this is all I ever >wanted. > I want her ass and her belly and her hair and her lips. > Those fuckers. >...

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Re: Your new password
by Lazlo Toth 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I predict that naughty cypherpunks will use these passwords to repeatedly add the following names to "Schlomo"'s list of contacts: mark(a)sixdegrees.com webmaster(a)sixdegrees.com postmaster(a)sixdegrees.com issues(a)sixdegrees.com If that doesn't work, really naughty cypherpunks may also add the addresses of prominent journalists. Of course, those things would be WRONG. -Lazlo >Name: Schlomo CyberPoopy >sixdegrees password: linkcusp > >Congratulations Schlomo. You're well on your way to >becoming a full sixdegrees(tm) member. Here is your member >password: linkcusp. Use it to log-in on the home page >at the sixdegrees Web site, http://www.sixdegrees.com. >We'll ask you for a little more information to complete your >registration, and then you'll be ready to start networking. > >It's important that you return to the site and log-in. Your >membership will not be complete until you do so. > >Once you've successfully logged in with your password, just go >to Personal Profile and you'll be able to choose your own >password. > >Thanks for becoming part of sixdegrees. We're looking forward >to seeing you at the site. > >==================================================================== >PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. >If you believe you received this e-mail in error, and it was not your >intention to become a sixdegrees member, or if you have any problems, >questions or requests send an e-mail to issues(a)sixdegrees.com >and someone will get back to you as soon as possible. >==================================================================== > > >E.SI.BAM.1

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bill soper & brains
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wednesday 9/16/98 6:56 PM Underwood More than 40 years ago Armand [bunky] Larive, I, and others took history of philosphy from bill soper. Laivre is an an episcopal priest in Pullman now. http://www.web-x.com/wazzu.net/restaurantguide/index.html I don't see sopher listed in the faculty directory. http://people.whitman.edu/faculty_homepages.html Sopher invited an attractive articulate lady from the B'Hai religion to lecture our class. The LADY put forth an argument on why we should all believe. In the next lecture Soper, as a philospher should, went into every detail why her arguments were falacious. The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention. Francis Bacon I think Lairve was present at the lecture and analysis. I PROFITED FROM YOUR differential equations AND elementary mathematics from an advanced standpoint courses. But this has been about 40 years ago. I still have the books used in your classes. And my education at Whitman. Then, too, I profited from Zirakzaheh's higher alegraba course in the summer of 1958 at U Colorado. Let's hope this gets settled before someone gets NUKED. We know these guys. http://www.wpiran.org/ http://www.taliban.com/ http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/impact/namir/namirm.html And we SPECULATE that they are NOT HAPPY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. bill ---- Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:50:15 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: john_ashcroft(a)ashcroft.senate.gov Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:48:32 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: senator_leahy(a)leahy.senate.gov, conrad_burns(a)burns.senate.gov Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:46:11 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: john_kerry(a)kerry.senate.gov Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:44:26 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: info(a)kyl.senate.gov CC: senator_mccain(a)mccain.senate.gov, grassley <chuck_grassley(a)grassley.senate.gov>, cynthia mckinney <CYMCK(a)mail.house.gov> Kyl I am reading http://www.cdt.org/crypto/jonkyl.html Please help get this MESS settled. bill ---- Subject: crypto nonsense Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:38:25 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: abd(a)cdt.org, info(a)cdt.org, webmaster(a)cdt.org CHRYSLER AWARD NOMINATION STATEMENT 9/16/9812:50 PM American forefathers drafted the Constitution and laws of our country shortly after having suffered injustice. Fresh in their minds were strategies used by their oppressors. Writers of the Constitution and laws anticipated ways to subvert our system. Therefore, our forefathers designed safeguards into our legal system to prevent future injustice. But these safeguards DONT appear to be working today. Morales and Payne designed a strategy using the National Security Agency [NSA], Sandia National Laboratories, the US Federal Court System, and publication on Internet to illustrate how the US government has deteriorated. Arthur Morales WAS a supervisor at Sandia Labs in 1991. Morales and Manuel Garcia organized a class action lawsuit on behalf of Hispanics against Sandia. Sandia settled Morales and Garcias lawsuit. Department of Energy acknowledged from Freedom of Information Act [FOIA] requests that as of December 31, 1995 Morales cost Sandia $567,137 in legal fees. Sandia retaliated against Morales. Morales sued Sandia in New Mexico District Court. Morales lost. William Payne wrote a technical report describing deficiencies in NSAs cryptographic algorithms http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm. Sandia transferred Payne to break electronics locks for the Federal Bureau of Invesitgation [FBI]. Payne refused to do illegal work. http://www.jya.com/whp1.htm. Payne sued Sandia in Federal Court. Payne lost and court records were sealed. FBI agent Bernardo Perez led a class action lawsuit against the FBI for race discrimination against Hispanic FBI agents. http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/1995/w951482w.txt Perez won. Perez was assigned agent-in-charge of the FBI in Albuquerque for settlement. But Perez lost money. Morales and Payne learned that the FBI extorted an inexpensive settlement from Perez by telling Perez that the FBI was GUARANTEED to win on appeal in Federal Circuit. With Perez and others knowledge of circuit courts, Morales and Payne appealed their respective cases pro se to the Tenth Circuit. In Paynes case Sandia failed to submit its Brief of the Appellees on time. Then falsified its certificate of service when Payne filed to remand. In Morales case Sandia submitted a deficient Brief of the Appellees which was returned but failed to serve Morales with its brief. Payne and Morales both won at the Tenth Circuit on technicalities. But judges awarded the wins to Sandia. All attempts by Morales and Payne to get copies of the docket for their respective Tenth Circuit cases failed. Therefore, Morales and Payne hatched a plan to get the dockets and expose government misconduct. Payne previously made FOIA requests to NSA for copies of messages and translations given to Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war, copies of Libyan messages intercepted by NSA, and NSA cryptographic algorithms Payne thought contained deficiencies. Morales and Payne sued NSA pro se for the documents. Lawsuit progress was broadcast on Internet through e- mail and http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm And Payne wrote Black and White Test of Cryptographic Algorithms criticizing the US governments crypto contest. http://zolatimes.com. Morales and Payne FINALLY got copies of dockets from their respective cases from the Tenth Circuit using Internet as an innovative tool. /\/\/\/\/\/\ Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 11:08:39 -0700 From: The Electronic Zola <ezola(a)lfcity.com> To: biru Subject: Re: Interested LATER? Hi Biru, > In > > Non-random Cryptographic Keys Defeat Key Escrow > > I will introduce, by example, readers to deBruijn diagrams and > statistical tests. > Both will be related to random number and pseudorandom number > generation. Sounds good to us. We know mathematics scares our readers. But some of our editors like it just fine. And we don't care much for the Great Satan around here. Cheers, Z --- I am not reading e-mail.

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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> So if a Texas DPS officer pulled over a car from Louisiana he couldn't > hassle them in regards to the pot they had in the car. Even > though it was illegal for Texas citizens. Wow, you learn something new every day. I had always thought state laws applied to anyone in the states borders, not solely to those people declared citizens of that state. In fact if this were the case, why then would it be necessary for the recently bill/proposal allowing people with a valid concealed weapons permit in the jurisdiction in which they work to carry that home (different jurisdiction). In fact wouldn't he need a permit in his home jurisdiction and NOT his work jurisdiction? How could he get a concealed weapons permit in his work jurisdiction if the laws can't apply to him? Surely there is something amiss. Matt

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software
by CHerr58414＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

if u got any freeware for encripting and decodeing that would be great so if you can mail me back some info. Thanks

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Word choice
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Bee in the bonnet: A few days before CJ's arrest warrant was issued >the DoJ put out a study on the "Shared Traits of Potential Assassins:" >The traits: * To achieve notoriety or fame. * To bring attention to a personal or public problem. * To avenge a perceived wrong; to retaliate for a perceived injury. * To end personal pain; to be removed from society; to be killed. * To save the country or the world; to fix a world problem. * To develop a special relationship with the target. * To make money. * To bring about political change. How does this differ from the motives of your ordinary politician? Post-revolution, will there be caliber limitations when hunting them?

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