December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: ATTN: BlackNet, sog's keys 4 sale
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back writes: > Type Bits/KeyID Date User ID > pub 384/5A5AD16B 1994/02/11 *** KEY REVOKED *** > BlackNet<nowhere(a)cyberspace.nil> > > A revoked key, and a rather small key size, this rings a bell, some of > you may recall that some time ago Paul Leyland factored that key. For the record, that key was factored by a team consisting of Paul Leyland, Arjen Lenstra, Alec Muffett, and Jim Gillogly. -- Jim Gillogly 23 Winterfilth S.R. 1998, 15:10 12.19.5.10.16, 7 Cib 9 Yax, Ninth Lord of Night

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Re: IRS wants cypherpunks archives
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > > Jeff, and fellow agents seem to be interested in cypherpunks archives > (as evidenced by asking Jim Choate who operates one of the mailing > list nodes, but who does _not_ offer archived list traffic). Jeff is > Cc'd on this post to be helpful (who says cypherpunks aren't helpful > -- you only have to ask). > > This archive seems to be operational: > > http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/ And less than 100 lines of client-side programming (I use 'expect') will retrieve the entire archive. ---guy Watch them make a grunt retrieve it all manually.

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more Toto keys... so what's it all mean
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone asked me in email what the meaning of the last 3 posts I made, the plethora of public and private keys, discrete log attacked, deadbeefed, forged, factored, decrypted etc. getting confusing. The 3 messages I wrote this morning go together, -- they are all on the same post by anonymous/Toto, just me realising more things about it. Here's what happened (play along if you like): a) I tried fetching the key the message was encrypted to (try to decrypt it -- it will tell you what keyid you need) from a keyserver b) I noticed that the public key I fetched is the 384 bit blacknet key which Paul Leyland broke (clue was the key on the keyservers is revoked, and only 384 bits, which made me remember Leyland's factoring attack), c) used altavista to find Leyland's announce to sci.crypt a few years back which included the private key he obtained by factoring the 384 bit blacknet public key d) decrypted the message with the blacknet private key, e) inside the message was a public and private key, at this point whoopee yet another Toto key (post 1), f) wondered if this key was the one which signed the messages the IRS has incarcerated CJ over, checked the signature, yes! (post 2), g) tried to sign a message with the key -- oops it has a password because the private key is encrypted, h) tried the passwords that John Young forwarded to the list a few weeks back from some anonymous source, yup one of them decrypts the private key, and we are able to make signatures! (post 3). As to what it means -- it means that one or more others could have been the author of the message the IRS claim Carl Johnson wrote. Heck anyone could sign posts with that key now. The allegations that CJ was sharing the "carljohn" account at sympatico with hackers may also be interesting especially if anyone is still able to verify that the account details are correct (who knows -- maybe the account is still active! -- anyone want to try?), because it throws even further into doubt (aside from the doubt arising from the numerous forgeries surrounding Toto) the IRS presumption that all things apparently sent from sympatico were written by CJ ... Perhaps Jeff and fellow IRS agents could ask sympatico if they are able to verify the validity of the account details. Adam -- print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: Aaron Debunks Crypto Myths
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > > Crypto emissary David Aaron gave a speech today in > Germany boosting US encryption policy for privacy and > commerce. Says it's an insult to claim US intelligence > agencies want backdoor access and other untrue myths: > > http://jya.com/aaron101398.htm A prime example of DoubleThink, since Key Recovery == backdoor access. # http://jya.com/aaron101398.htm # # Clearly, a balance must be struck between the needs of businesses and # consumers and the protection of society as a whole. What is the # answer? We believe the answer lies in cryptographic systems that # provide trustworthy security services along with lawful access. By # lawful access, I refer to a range of technologies designed to permit # the plain text recovery of encrypted data and communications under a ^^^^^^^^ # court order or other lawful means that safeguards civil liberties. In other words, they believe in cryptographic systems with backdoor access. The NSA testified to Congress concerning lawful access: : The Puzzle Palace : Inside the National Security Agency, : America's most secret intelligence organization : Author James Bamford, 1983 revision, ISBN 0-14-00.6748-5 : : P381-382: NSA Director General Allen testified to Congress that there is no : statute that prevents the NSA from interception of domestic communications. : Asked whether he was concerned about the legality of expanding greatly its : targeting of American citizens, the NSA replied: "Legality? That particular : aspect didn't enter into the discussions." The government's idea of "lawful access" is "anywhere, anytime". # http://jya.com/aaron101398.htm # # We are not wedded to any single technology approach. Key management # infrastructures, key recovery and other recoverable products that # provide lawful access are some of the ways to achieve a reasonable # balance. We believe that seeking industry-led, market-based solutions # is the best approach to helping law enforcement. Oh dey do do dey? : From owner-firewalls-outgoing(a)GreatCircle.COM Wed May 14 18:54:15 1997 : Received: from osiris (osiris.nso.org [207.30.58.40]) by ra.nso.org : (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-13592) with SMTP id AAA322 : for <firewalls(a)GreatCircle.COM>; Wed, 14 May 1997 12:56:13 -0400 : Date: Wed, 14 May 1997 12:58:46 -0400 : To: firewalls(a)GreatCircle.COM : From: research(a)isr.net (Research Unit I) : Subject: Re: Encryption Outside US : : I was part of that OECD Expert Group, and believe I may shine at least : some light on what exactly was said and happened at the meetings. : : The main conflict during all sessions was the demand of the US to be : able to decrypt anything, anywhere at any time versus the European : focus: we want to have the choice - with an open end - to maintain : own surveillance. The US demand would have caused an immediate : ability to tap into what the European intelligence community believes to : be its sole and exclusive territory. In fact the Europeans were not at all : pleased with the US view points of controlling ALL crypto. Germany and : France vigorously refused to work with the US on this issue. : : ... the Australian and UK views that felt some obligation : from the 1947 UKUSA treaty (dealing with interchange of intelligence). : : Bertil Fortrie : Internet Security Review The US Government insists on the capability "to decrypt anything, anywhere at any time" he said. Gosh, that doesn't sound like they believe "market-based solutions" are the best approach, does it? * http://epic.org/crypto/ban/fbi_dox/impact_text.gif * * SECRET FBI report * * NEED FOR A NATIONAL POLICY * * A national policy embodied in legislation is needed which insures * that cryptography use in the United States should be forced to be * crackable by law enforcement, so such communications can be monitored * with real-time decryption. * * All cryptography that cannot meet this standard should be prohibited. No it don't, do it? : * "Above the Law" : * ISBN 0-684-80699-1, 1996 : * by David Burnham : * : * The suspicion that the government might one day try to outlaw any : * encryption device which did not provide easy government access was : * reinforced by comments made by FBI Director Freeh at a 1994 Washington : * conference on cryptography. "The objective for us is to get those : * conversations...wherever they are, whatever they are", he said in : * response to a question. : * : * Freeh indicated that if five years from now the FBI had solved the : * access problem but was only hearing encrypted messages, further : * legislation might be required. Anywhere, anytime. ---guy "Easy access".

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Re: Gary Burnore vs. Earth (Was: Value of Annon. Remailers)
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Missouri FreeNet Administration <sysadmin(a)mfn.org> > > Obviously, as defenders of this man's right to post material offensive > to Burnore, we too came under attack. One man's attack is another's defense. > The point here is that what little survives about this lunatic child > molester (he has even successfully had his North Carolina Sex Offender record > removed!),... Gee, why don't you ask North Carolina why, in writing? > Yes, I know, at least half of you are sitting here going "now why did they > bother us with that?". The answer is we feel VERY strongly that if not for > what [little] we were able to find as a result of A/R's, we would never have > been able to figure this clown out at all. And loco though he may be, he is > also a *prodigious* pain in the ass,... Again, ying/yang. Let us know when you have an original thought. ---guy

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RE: DNA
by Richard.Bragg＠ssa.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ok so the genotype is the same (same DNA) but the phenotype is different (what you see). It's more complex than this but there are all sorts of ways that genes express themselves and how this can be changed. A good dose of phenol or benzene can do wonders to your genetic material. A trip to Windscale (sorry Selafield) to inspect the inside of the reactor vessel etc all has an effect. DNA testing would probably never look at the entire sequence anyway. It would look at enough to give near unique markers. Using a "drill down" technique to gradually exclude until only one remains. ie normal number of gene pairs (not many people live with duff code in here but there are some) male vs female (50%) blood group etc Why use actual matching until you need to, it's expensive. You get down to a handful and test those on a wider range of codes. You hope the samples are good and the genes haven't been damaged or contaminated. Don't rely on the science. The science is our tool NOT us of the science. We already rely too much on the technology, science, methods etc. This is not a scientific way of working. Anyway have fun!! Hwyl

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RE: DNA
by Walter Burton 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: X [mailto:xasper8d@lobo.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 10:00 AM > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: RE: DNA > [snip] > so explain why my brother has smooth > hands and fingers with almost no > prints (lucky bastard!) and mine look > like mother teresa's face... Wear-and-tear? > (probably more now than before, eh?) Yecch! \\/alter

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Re: Gary Burnore vs. Earth (Was: Value of Annon. Remailers)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Missouri FreeNet Administration <sysadmin(a)mfn.org> wrote: > First off, let us state up front that this is an aside to the previous > poster, and not totally on-point: feel free to hit the delete key, and > accept our apologies if this is a problem. > > About two months ago, we met the infamous Burnore & Company while > defending a semi-annonymous UseNet poster calling himself "Outlaw-Frog-Raper". > It seems that in classical Burnore style "OFR" found himself the sudden > victim of [literally] daily TOS/SPAM complaints by Burnore and Co. for making > use of UseNet to air his decidedly anti-police positions (it's odd how "pro > police" Burnore is, isn't it?). Given Gary Burnore's criminal record, he needs all the sucking up to the police he can get. In addition to his arrest and conviction for molesting his girlfriend's daughter in Santa Clara, CA, he was also arrested for unlawful assembly for his participation in Critical Mass' bicycle blockade of the streets of San Francisco during rush hour. (See: http://www.e-media.com/cm/sac.html ) And this criminal has the chutzpah to try and be a net Nazi as well. This same self-righteous individual once lectured another netizen about how it's wrong to "fight abuse with abuse". > Obviously, as defenders of this man's right to post material offensive > to Burnore, we too came under attack. Fortunately, we have been with > our upstream provider for a long time, and are on *very* good terms: they told > Burnore to keep his complaints to himself. But I digress... The best defense against censorious cretins like Gary Burnore is education. That's what the victims of the infamous "Rev." Steve Winter (who also lives in Raleigh, NC, BTW) had to do to counteract his abusive tactics. A "Steve Winter FAQ" was compiled and posted to Usenet as well as being published on the web. People who are the subject of his harassment tactics have something to show to their ISPs, employers, etc. when Winter makes his bogus threats. > As this "war" intensified, we attempted to determine just who in the hell > this lunatic *was*, as nobody here is a regular Usenet follower (just when > we have our slow periods, we'll check in with the loons to kill a couple of > hours...). To our surprise, we discovered that while Burnore/Databasix/etc. > are known far and wide, the actual traffic that passes between them and the rest > of the Earthly population is pretty well eradicated. Here's a guy who has actually > sat down and deleted (according to DejaNews) *tens of thousands* of his -own- posts! > Not to mention the unknown number of posts which he has "thoughtfully taken care of > for those others who forgot to do so themselves"... This is the same Gary Burnore who cajoled an anonymous whistleblower for "hiding behind a remailer" and boasted "I have nothing to hide", although he himself attempts to gain plausible deniability for his own posts by preventing an impartial third party from archiving them, then claiming they were "forged" if he inserted his foot too far into his mouth. Not only does Gary hide his own posts behind an X-No-Archive header, but posts critical of him have a tendency to be cancelled through forgery. He screwed up once and cancelled a post critical of him that was cross-posted to one of the news.admin.net-abuse.* NGs. Unfortunately for him, an anti-cancel-bot on that NG reposted the cancelled message along with a copy of the forged cancellation message sent by ... guess who ... Gary Burnore! Oops, Gary, can you say "busted"? > The point here is that what little survives about this lunatic child > molester (he has even successfully had his North Carolina Sex Offender record > removed!), has almost all come through *some* annonymizer. Whether a MixMaster, > or Cajones (RIP) "intentional annonymizer", or an "unintentional annonymizer" > such as a large [cypherpunks] listserv with "bad headers". By his own account, Gary Burnore spent nearly $30K getting the child molestation charge plea-bargained down to a misdemeanor. My guess is that he has no money left to carry through on his idle threats of frivolous legal action against those on his lengthy enemies list. For example, when Jeff Burchell demanded a letter from Gary's lawyer when he was demanding that Jeff turn over his remailer logs to DataBasix, what Jeff received was a letter from Gary's girlfriend Belinda Bryan <eridani(a)databasix.com> impersonating a lawyer. For Jeff's account of that episode, visit: http://calvo.teleco.ulpgc.es/listas/cypherpunks@infonex.com/HTML-1997-11/ms… > We submit that it only takes one successful argument, even though there be > a million such arguments available, to "proof" the value of an annoymous remailer. > we then extend the original Burnore story (presented in part below) in further > support. It proves that censorship need not originate with a governmental body. All it takes is a determined individual with more time available to harass than his victims do to defend against it. > Yes, I know, at least half of you are sitting here going "now why did they > bother us with that?". The answer is we feel VERY strongly that if not for > what [little] we were able to find as a result of A/R's, we would never have > been able to figure this clown out at all. And loco though he may be, he is > also a *prodigious* pain in the ass, who represents a real, true threat to > what little freedoms we still have in the US. Burnore isn't a loner in the > political sense: he's actually becoming pretty mainstream. If A/R's can help > to keep scum like him in the light, where he can't hide his hypocrises [sp?] > through a cancel or "DejaNuke", then they are one of our most important national > resources, and should be defended (and *funded*) as such! The problem is that most dissidents have a weak point somewhere where they are vulnerable, whether it be a censorious hate mail campaign to his/her ISP or employer, mail bombing, spam baiting, forged mailing list subscriptions, or one of countless other denial-of-service attacks that Gary Burnore, Belinda Bryan, Billy McClatchie (aka "Wotan"), or otther members of the DataBasix abuse factory can conjure up. > Just our [very biased] $.02 worth... > > The full-time [yet totally volunteer] staff of Missouri FreeNet: > > J.A. Terranson, sysadmin(a)mfn.org > John Blau, jb214(a)mfn.org > Beatrice Hynes, beatrice(a)mfn.org > Frescenne "M", support(a)mfn.org > A. Pates, support(a)mfn.org > > </LURK ON> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > <huge brevity snippage> > > Consider the episode last year with Gary Burnore and DataBasix vs. > Jeff Burchell and his Mailmasher and Huge Cajones machines. > Made-to-order abuse appeared right on cue to reinforce the claims > that Burnore and his girlfriend Belinda Bryan had made. And now > we've learned the real truth behind the whole episode. While Gary > Burnore was living with another girlfriend in Santa Clara, CA, he > was also molesting her teenaged daughter. An anonymous > whistleblower attempted to warn the girl's mother as well as her > school officials by anonymous e-mail. Burnore went ballistic and > falsely claimed "harassment". But the whistleblower was ultimately > vindicated when Burnore pled guilty to the molestation charge, was > placed on probation, and was required to register as a sex offender. > Unable to silence the whistleblower, Burnore began a campaign of > harassment against the operators of the remailers that were being > used to expose him. IOW, if you can't refute the message, shoot the > messenger. And if you can't shoot the messenger, attempt to disable > his means of communication (the remailers net). > > I recounted this case history, which can be researched in various > usenet archives by anyone interested, just to demonstrate that one > man's "harassment" can well be another man's investigative > journalism, even if the journalist or whistleblower is not in a > position to expose him/herself to retaliation by the wrongdoer, > which has been (coincidentally?) reported by virtually anyone who > has dared to challenge Gary Burnore publicly.

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IP: Surveillance: Candid camera for criminals
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Surveillance: Candid camera for criminals Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:09:13 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_191000/191692.stm Tuesday, October 13, 1998 Published at 18:48 GMT 19:48 UK UK Candid camera for criminals Three steps to criminal-spotting A revolutionary surveillance system that can pin-point known criminals as they walk along in a crowd is being put to the test in a London borough. The Mandrake face recognition system will seek out 'target faces' in the closed circuit television (CCTV) footage in the Newham area. Councillor Ian Corbett said the decision to go ahead with the £60,000 six-month trial was made in response to the concerns of local residents. "We've done surveys recently and 60% of the population said that crime prevention was the No 1 issue in the community," Mr Corbett said. But fears of innocent people being identified by mistake have lead civil liberties groups to condemn the system and call for it to be tightly regulated. Making a match Newham has a network of 140 street cameras as well as 11 mobile camera units. Images beamed into the council's security centre in East Ham will be compared with a database of target faces supplied by police. The system can isolate the targets from the crowds of people appearing on CCTV. When a match is made the computer highlights the target and sounds an alarm. An operator then checks the image and decides if it is necessary to contact the police. The police in the area see the system as a way of making CCTV more efficient. "The people who go onto the system will be convicted criminals," said Chief Superintendent David Armond. Depending on the success of the trial, other targets like paedophiles could also be scanned. The system could also be used to help track down missing persons. Advanced technology Mandrake is the first identification system to be able to work from moving pictures. It has been designed by Software Systems International which has been concentrating on identification systems for several years. Less advanced systems are already in operation, including one which compares pictures of criminals with individuals crossing the Mexican border. One state in the US is using a database of millions of pictures to check on people who may be entering into more than one marriage, and another state is checking for duplicate drivers' licence applications in the same way. "The ability to capture a moving face is quite a new innovation and makes a lot of difference to being able to work with things like CCTV," Software Systems marketing manager Pat Oldcorn said. However she acknowledges that the computer will not always strike a perfect match. "We do expect that we will get a little bit of difference in interpretation because sometimes it will pick up a face at a three-quarters angle. We will need to use the human element to check the authenticity of the picture," she said. Big brother concerns It is the risk of error that has the civil liberties group Liberty most concerned. "The accuracy of facial mapping is very limited," campaigns manager Liz Parratt said. "For example, you need only to look at a handful of photos of celebrities to see how different the same people can look in different photos." "The claim that those who have nothing to hide have nothing to fear is rubbish. What the police call an 80% success rate is what we would call a one in five chance of a mistake." Ms Parratt said that even if the system did work, it would have to be carefully regulated to protect people's privacy. But Councillor Corbett said he was most concerned about the civil liberties of innocent people. A reduction in the crime rate in Newham over the next six months will persude the Labour-dominated council to continue with the system. ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: Fwd: 10/13/98 MSNBC Special Report on Chem/Bio Attack; Tonight
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: RMORGAN762(a)aol.com Subject: IP: Fwd: 10/13/98 MSNBC Special Report on Chem/Bio Attack; Tonight Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 01:58:55 EDT To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_908344735_boundary Content-ID: <0_908344735(a)inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII --part0_908344735_boundary Content-ID: <0_908344735(a)inet_out.mail.coil.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <freematt(a)coil.com> Received: from rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (rly-zb04.mail.aol.com [172.31.41.4]) by air-zb02.mail.aol.com (v50.18) with SMTP; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:56:55 -0400 Received: from bronze.coil.com (bronze.coil.com [198.4.94.1]) by rly-zb04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id QAA24021; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 16:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [198.4.94.178] (cmhb2.coil.com [198.4.94.178]) by bronze.coil.com (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05736; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:01:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: freematt(a)bronze.coil.com Message-Id: <v04011700b2496e842512(a)[198.4.94.183]> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 17:02:14 -0400 To: Matthew Gaylor <freematt(a)coil.com> From: Matthew Gaylor <freematt(a)coil.com> Subject: 10/13/98 MSNBC Special Report on Chem/Bio Attack; Tonight Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit EmergencyNet News Resource Announcement 10/13/98 - 15:00CDT MSNBC Special Report on Chem/Bio Attack; Tonight Chicago, IL (EmergencyNet News) -- According to program announcements, MSNBC, on "The News with Brian Williams," will present a Special Report on a potential chemical attack on a U.S. city. The program is scheduled for tonight at 21:00EDT/18:00PDT. Courtesy of: Emergency Response & Research Institute EmergencyNet News Service 6348 N. Milwaukee Ave. #312, Chicago, IL 60646, USA (773) 631-3774 - Voice/Messages (773) 631-4703 - Fax (773) 631-0517 - Modem/Emergency BBS On-Line Service http://www.emergency.com - Website webmaster(a)emergency.com - E-Mail ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd.,#176, Columbus, OH 43229 Archived at http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/listarch?list=FA@coil.com ************************************************************************** --part0_908344735_boundary-- ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **********************************************

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IP: The Road to Biometric IDs: Identity Theft
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: The Road to Biometric IDs: Identity Theft Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 08:39:43 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: ABC http://www.abcnews.com/sections/us/DailyNews/id_theft981006.html When Someone Else Becomes You - Identity Crisis Lost Privacy is Price of Information Revolution *** "You feel like [your credit rating] is a mark of integrity, and then you're treated like a criminal and the whole onus is on you to prove you didn't do it." - identity theft victim Amy DuBois *** Could someone morph into you? (ABCNEWS.com) By Jan M. Faust ABCNEWS.com Oct. 9 - Babies are targeted. So are ex-lovers, ex-roommates, ex-friends and ex-spouses. And oh yeah, strangers too. People who use the Internet are definitely at risk. And so are those who don't. When it comes to identity theft-the pilfering of someone's personal data to get a free ride on a clean record or bountiful credit-the scams are so wide-ranging that there can be no generalization about who will get hit and who won't. Although there are no definite numbers on the incidence of identity theft in the United States, it is believed to be on an explosive trajectory. Last year, Trans Union, one of the nation's three major credit bureaus, reported approximately 350,000 cases of identity fraud. And, the U.S. Secret Service, a wing of the Treasury Department that gets involved on the larger cases, arrested approximately 10,000 people for participating in organized identity theft rings. As the numbers keep mushrooming, so have costs-up from $442 million in 1995 to $745 million in 1997, says Assistant Deputy James Bauer of the Secret Service. "So there's been a significant increase in the losses that tell us they're doing it more and applying a certain level of expertise." Your Money and/or Your Life When your evil doppelgangers go for convertible sports cars, or chunky diamond necklaces, more than your credit rating can be damaged. "I can promise you the day you learn of it you are at least 18 months from being whole again, " says Bauer. "During which time you can't buy a car, get a loan, maybe you're turned down for a job, and you may not even know why. Amy DuBois knows this firsthand. The 34-year-old Boston surgeon was swindled in what seemed a simple purse filching from her locked desk at the hospital. She took immediate, and what she assumed was adequate, action by canceling her credit cards and checks. Once that might have been enough. But as Bauer points out, new safeguards in the credit industry, like real-time verification of credit cards, have forced thieves to get craftier. The end result is that now, "Pickpockets will steal your wallet, and I say this facetiously, but they'll give you back the cash, just to get the IDs," says Bauer. Instant Credit Can Be an Instant Headache Although DuBois never recovered her purse or the money in it, it was the identification that was the real commodity. "Nearly two years later," DuBois says, "I got a phone call at home from a collection agency about an overdue credit account of $3,500 from a jewelry store in Detroit. "And then they started coming-I got two more notices in the mail, and two by phone within the next couple of days." When she checked her credit report, she found that almost $30,000 dollars of jewelry, roaming cell phone charges, and department store items had been racked up in her name, from accounts made at department stores with instant credit, billed to addresses that weren't hers. "The instant credit folks, like the departments stores, they're not checking or verifying because they're so eager to have new customers, because it's so competitive," says Beth Givens of the Privacy Rights Clearinghouse, whose consumer organization publishes help for victims. "I think the blame for a good bit of this epidemic lays at the feet of the credit industry." Will the Real Amy DuBois Stand Up? The fake Amy DuBois, it turned out, was a serious shopaholic. The real DuBois said that seeing her own credit report was "eerie" "Your student loans are there, your own Neiman-Marcus account, and then next to those are nine accounts that just aren't yours, marked delinquent." After 30 hours of her own time, four uninterrupted days of her secretary's time, and about $1,000 in lawyer's fees, DuBois is gradually starting to sort things out. That's typical, explains Ed Mierswinsky, a consumer advocate at the U.S. Public Interest Research Group. "The victims end up in a real mess. They sit on hold with the credit card companies, they sit on hold with the credit bureaus, they get on endless voice mail loops, the police don't care because the amount of money lost doesn't make their threshold for making major cases and getting promotions." For DuBois, what lingers now besides the voluminous paperwork needed to be filed whenever she legitimately needs to establish credit, is suspicion and mistrust about giving out her personal identifiers. Recently while trying to open an account at Blockbuster Video, she was asked for her driver's license and Social Security number. "I said, 'No, I'm not providing that. You don't need to have that.'" Although she eventually relented on the driver's license, she said she's much more protective of her Social Security number. Give Me Some Credit Here Guarding that precious number is one key to improving your odds, agree privacy rights advocates. Criminals will try to liberate it from you in a number of ways, as low-tech as sifting through your garbage can for records, and as high-tech as setting up application forms on Internet sites offering credit cards at the impossibly low, low rate of 1 percent APR. And since it's extremely difficult to eliminate risk, Givens suggests ordering your credit report at least once a year. "The key is to catch it early. We recommend just going to one of the three credit bureaus, and if you see signs of fraud, then order the other two." That would have helped DuBois, who's says she'll feel insecure and violated for the rest of her life. "It's a very strange sensation. I have a very good credit record, I've been very careful. You feel like it's a mark of integrity, and then you're treated like a criminal and the whole onus is on you to prove you didn't do it. The whole thing is very frightening." For all of her expense and troubles, DuBois' experience could have been worse. More damaging than run-of-the-mill credit theft are those cases where criminal records or vital statistics are affected, through marriage, divorce, an arrest, or even death under the cloned name. "I know of a case out West where a lady died using an assumed name," says Bauer, "and the true name holder had to get a death certificate undone." Recent Examples of Identity Theft In New York this week, the state attorney general warned of a scam being circulated through e-mail, faxes and fliers offering consumers a reimbursement of $500 from Gerber Baby foods as settlement in a phony class action. To apply, parents were asked to send copies of their child's birth certificate and Social Security card. Babies' Social Security numbers are plum because they allow for unflawed credit, and are rarely checked for fraud. John and Jane Smith's adult daughter obtained credit cards in their name and ran up debts of more than $40,000. She paid the interest fees so as not to alert her parents of her use of the credit cards, but was not able to keep up the payments. The credit card companies now demand the Smiths pay the bill, given that the debtor is their daughter. A thief stole Annette's wallet, and has since written bad checks in her name, and used her credit cards. Annette wonders if anyone pays attention to driver's license photos. The thief is white and Annette is African-American. To make matters worse, she has to pay $10 every time she needs a notarized affidavit stating she is not the crook. Meredith rented a room in her home to a woman who found her SSN. She collected the pre-approved offers of credit that were mailed to the house, filled them out in Meredith's name, and obtained 15 credit cards. She watched the mail and retrieved the monthly statements before Meredith saw them. She has since moved out, leaving Meredith with debts totaling $74,000. Francine was employed for a time as a writer for a publishing company. After she left, she found that her employer was using her SSN and driver's license number to obtain credit in her name. A police department detective investigating the case told Francine that the woman has a long history of identity theft spanning many states. Cheryl and her 7-year-old daughter went to the bank to open a checking account for the daughter. The bank told Cheryl her daughter had a bad credit report. Cheryl thinks that her ex-husband has been using the child's Social Security number to open credit accounts. ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. 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IP: ISPI Clips 5.42: Poll Shows 75% of Canadians Worry About Internet privacy
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ama-gi ISPI" <offshore(a)email.msn.com> Subject: IP: ISPI Clips 5.42: Poll Shows 75% of Canadians Worry About Internet privacy Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:15:56 -0700 To: <Undisclosed.Recipients(a)majordomo.pobox.com> ISPI Clips 5.42: Poll Shows 75% of Canadians Worry About Internet privacy News & Info from the Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) Wednesday October 14, 1998 ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This From: The Toronto Sun, October 2, 1998 http://www.thestar.com 1 in 3 plan to buy online, poll reveals But Canadians still worry about privacy, security http://www.thestar.com/back_issues/ED19981002/news/981002NEW06_NA-POLL2.htm l By Valerie Lawton Toronto Star Ottawa Bureau OTTAWA - More than one in three Canadians expect to buy something over the Internet within the next couple of years, a poll suggests. ``That's a much higher figure than anything we've seen,'' said Frank Graves, president of Ekos Research Associates. ``We're talking about a pretty radical transformation of the marketplace, the world of commerce, in a very short period of time.'' The results of the Ekos survey are to be released today. Canadians also told the pollster they have a number of worries about buying online. About three-quarters of those asked said they would not be willing to give their credit card number over the Internet even if they were buying something from a well-known business. And Graves said the poll found people would be more willing to shop on the Internet if privacy and consumer protection measures were introduced. It's an important message for business and government, said Andrew Reddick of the Public Interest Advocacy Centre in Ottawa. ``They have to put consumers first if they want this to work,'' said Reddick, whose centre also worked on the E-commerce study. He's skeptical of the finding that one in three people plan to buy over the Internet soon. ``It may be wishful thinking. It may be showing a high level of interest,'' he said. ``A lot of people aren't on the Internet - 75 per cent roughly still aren't connected from the home.'' Some 7 per cent of Canadians said they had shopped on the Internet at some point during the three months before the poll was taken. Ekos has conducted three surveys on E-commerce over the last year or so. The most recent, a telephone survey in June, involved 2,200 interviews - a sampling that's said to be accurate within 2.1 percentage points, 19 times out of 20. In Ottawa yesterday, the federal government tabled legislation that includes measures to protect personal information. ``For electronic commerce to flourish, we need confidence in how our personal information is gathered, stored and used and clear rules for industry,'' said Industry Minister John Manley. The minister also announced yesterday that the government will take a hands-off approach to cryptography, a method which encodes data so that only individuals with the proper digital ``key'' are able to decipher it. Copyright © 1996-1998, The Toronto Star. --------------------------------NOTICE:------------------------------ ISPI Clips are news & opinion articles on privacy issues from all points of view; they are clipped from local, national and international newspapers, journals and magazines, etc. Inclusion as an ISPI Clip does not necessarily reflect an endorsement of the content or opinion by ISPI. In compliance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed free without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ISPI Clips is a FREE e-mail service from the "Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues" (ISPI). To receive "ISPI Clips" on a regular bases (up to 3 - 8 clips per day) send the following message "Please enter [Your Name] into the ISPI Clips list: [Your e-mail address]" to: ISPIClips(a)ama-gi.com . 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IP: ISPI Clips 5.38: TRUSTe is Creating a New Child Privacy Program
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "ama-gi ISPI" <offshore(a)email.msn.com> Subject: IP: ISPI Clips 5.38: TRUSTe is Creating a New Child Privacy Program Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:12:32 -0700 To: <Undisclosed.Recipients(a)majordomo.pobox.com> ISPI Clips 5.38: TRUSTe is Creating a New Child Privacy Program News & Info from the Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) Wednesday October 14, 1998 ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This From: CNET News.com, October 13, 1998 http://www.news.com New Guidelines on Child Privacy http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,27489,00.html?dd.ne.tx.fs2.1013 By Tim Clark and Courtney Macavinta Staff Writers, CNET News.com Industry group TRUSTe [ http://www.truste.org/ ] is creating a new child privacy program that it hopes will address issues raised by the Federal Trade Commission and the so-called Bryan bill now pending in Congress. The FTC has reviewed TRUSTe's child privacy guidelines, which generally bar Web sites from collecting personal information from children under 13 without verifiable parental permission. They also require child-oriented Web sites to state clearly and prominently what information is being collected and how it is shared. "We want to help these sites catering to kids implement the bill," said Susan Scott, TRUSTe executive director. "We have created a unique children's seals, and to get that seal, sites need to comply with all the FTC requirements to create and implement privacy statements." Authored by Sen. Richard Bryan (D-Nevada), the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act was tacked on to the Internet Tax Freedom Act. The provision requires parental consent before Internet sites can collect information online from children age 12 and under. TRUSTe backs the Bryan bill but is concerned that is currently tied to Internet censorship legislation. One major children's site, Yahooligans plans to post TRUSTe's new child privacy seal because it says its practices comply with TRUSTe's guidelines. TRUSTe is talking to another major children's site, Disney about joining the program too. "Our privacy practices are in compliance with keeping a safe environment on the Web," said Rob McHugh, senior producer for Yahooligans, which has updated its privacy statement but not changed its practices to obtain the children's privacy seal. Yahooligans collects first names, age, gender, and home state, but no individually identifiable information, such email or physical address. "The practices are in effect right now for any new applicants [for TRUSTe's logo] for sites directed at kids under 13," Scott said. TRUSTe hopes its guidelines will become a "safe harbor" for child-oriented sites. That means the FTC would accept a site's use of the TRUSTe child privacy mark as evidence the site is following the law, with TRUSTe essentially becoming an enforcement arm. The FTC still must promulgate regulations on child privacy, and TRUSTe expects to alter its guidelines based on the federal agency's final rules, which may not be completed for a year. Scott expects no major changes. The Bryan bill would be the first online privacy legislation to pass, giving the FTC authority it previously felt it didn't have to enforce privacy rules. Scott predicts that requiring parental permission before collecting personal data on children will reduce the amount of information sites request. "The cost of business has gone up because of the verification [that parents approve]," she said. "Sites will need to look at their business models to see if they need that personal information." Scott praised Bryan for taking industry concerns into account by altering the initial legislation, for example, to apply specifically to commercial sites--not nonprofits--and by limiting the parental permission requirement to children 12 years and under, not ages 13 to 19. The Net Tax Freedom Act is still in limbo today as Congress's session comes down to the wire. The Senate passed the three-year moratorium on new Net taxes, but if the House doesn't push it through as is then Congress will likely run out of time to pass the legislation. There is speculation, however, that the tax moratorium will be attached to omnibus spending legislation that could be passed by midnight tomorrow before both houses adjourn. If the bill is passed, the child privacy protections also will be ushered into law. But the Net tax bill also contains a controversial provision by Sen. Dan Coats (R-Indiana) that exempts commercial sites from the tax break if they give minors unfettered access to "harmful" material. Specifically, TRUSTe's Children's Seal Program requires that licensees not: *Collect information from a child under 13 without parental consent or direct parental notification of the nature and intended use of the data. Parents should be able to prevent use of the information. *Collect personally identifiable offline contact information from children under 13 without parental consent. *Distribute to third parties any personal data collected from a child under 13 without parental consent. *Allow children under 13 to publicly post or otherwise distribute personal information without parental consent. Sites must try to prohibit children from posting any contact information. *Use a games or prizes to entice a child under 13 to divulge more information than is needed. Copyright © 1995-98 CNET, Inc. --------------------------------NOTICE:------------------------------ ISPI Clips are news & opinion articles on privacy issues from all points of view; they are clipped from local, national and international newspapers, journals and magazines, etc. Inclusion as an ISPI Clip does not necessarily reflect an endorsement of the content or opinion by ISPI. In compliance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed free without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ISPI Clips is a FREE e-mail service from the "Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues" (ISPI). To receive "ISPI Clips" on a regular bases (up to 3 - 8 clips per day) send the following message "Please enter [Your Name] into the ISPI Clips list: [Your e-mail address]" to: ISPIClips(a)ama-gi.com . The Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) is a small contributor-funded organization based in Victoria, British Columbia (Canada). ISPI operates on a not-for-profit basis, accepts no government funding and takes a global perspective. ISPI's mandate is to conduct & promote interdisciplinary research into electronic, personal and financial privacy with a view toward helping ordinary people understand the degree of privacy they have with respect to government, industry and each other and to likewise inform them about techniques to enhance their privacy. But, none of this can be accomplished without your kind and generous financial support. If you value in the ISPI Clips service or if you are concerned about the erosion of your privacy in general, won't you please help us continue this important work by becoming an "ISPI Clips Supporter" or by taking out an institute Membership? We gratefully accept all contributions: Less than $60 ISPI Clips Supporter $60 - $99 Primary ISPI Membership (1 year) $100 - $300 Senior ISPI Membership (2 years) More than $300 Executive Council Membership (life) Your ISPI "membership" contribution entitles you to receive "The ISPI Privacy Reporter" (our bi-monthly 12 page hard-copy newsletter in multi-contributor format) for the duration of your membership. For a contribution form with postal instructions please send the following message "ISPI Contribution Form" to ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com . We maintain a strict privacy policy. Any information you divulge to ISPI is kept in strict confidence. 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hey DIRNSA: can't talk to allies
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

COMMUNICATIONS SECURITY TITLE: COMSEC - Secure Voice Telephones LESSON LEARNED: NATO elements must learn to use the standard secure telephones. BACKGROUND: For future NATO-led operations, it must be stressed that the NATO secure telephone standard is the STU IIB. Augmenting forces must bring compatible equipment if it stays under national control. Must come to grips with the US and NATO secure telephones within the command. There are problems associated with US and NATO secure telephones: The STU III/STU IIIA has not been released to NATO, so they should be eliminated from the NATO comm system. The NATO standard is the STU IIIB, only the STU IIB is compatible with the STU IIIA. Cannot adhere to US security regulations for protecting US secure voice systems in an allied environment. RECOMMENDATION: Consider a letter to DIRNSA requesting relaxation of current US policy. http://call.army.mil/call/spc%5Fprod/5sigcd/2tact.htm

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RE: DNA (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: DNA > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:34:07 -0700 > > But what about identical sib's. They all > > have exactly the same DNA! Actualy identical twins will only share about 50% of their DNA. They get 50% from each parent randomly. This means that only about 25% of the DNA will match their sibling from either parent. > Or a clone ;). This of course ignores transcription errors, environment issues, etc. It is possible that even a clone would have protein discrepencies which trace back to DNA strands that end up different than the original source organism. As the organism develops and ages these issues can become quite important. This aspect of DNA matching has gotten the short shift for sure. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Two Jims, Werner and Matt redefine socialism for their own en ds
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >> something like Belloc and Chesterton's "distributivism". > > > Distribute what and created by whom? > > Every libertarian or cypherpunk ought to have read "The Servile State" > by Hilaire Belloc. ...and in that context what is being distributed is > *land*, as private property to be lived on, farmed and passed on to > children. If you believe there is a single valid concept in that whole populist/agrarian bullshit I can shoot it down, otherwise it is not worth my time. Matt

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Tim May Investigations
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Gary Burnore vs. Earth (Was: Value of Annon. Remailers)
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> > > Information Security <guy(a)panix.com> wrote: > > > Let us know when you have an original thought. > > Ad hominem often comes in handy... You are too touchy to be on the Internet, leave now! ;-) > > > From: Missouri FreeNet Administration <sysadmin(a)mfn.org> > > > > > > Obviously, as defenders of this man's right to post material offensive > > > to Burnore, we too came under attack. > > > > One man's attack is another's defense. > > I'll have to remember that one. Some defense lawyers in Wyoming > might want to use it in their clients' trial for their "defense" > against that gay student. You are equating speech to physical violence. Not a good way to defend anonymizers. > Now about Gary Burnore's "defense" against the underaged daughter of > his girlfriend... Like, why should cypherpunks care? You said it's not causing you a connectivity problem. You are boring everyone for no known reason. > > > The point here is that what little survives about this lunatic child > > > molester (he has even successfully had his North Carolina Sex Offender record > > > removed!),... > > > > Gee, why don't you ask North Carolina why, in writing? > > Irrelevant. The North Carolina website of registered sex offenders > was only the vehicle by which the truth about Gary Burnore's > existing conviction in California became known. Depublishing it in > NC on some technicality... What technicality? > which sentenced him to probation and required him to register > as a sex offender. I wonder if Pee Wee Herman had to register. > Perhaps the original whistleblower's e-mailed warnings led > or contributed to Burnore's arrest, and to the resulting > psychiatric treatment which may have protected future > potential victims. Just a bunch of nutters flaming each other endlessly. ---guy

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Re: Use encryption to foil spooks' data harvesting, says US statedept
by Richard.Bragg＠ssa.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

and how about some innocuous words/phases that might cause apoplexy i talk to the pillow (PLO) every night i was there doing ... with ..., i wish. <insert name> was dead on his feet .... it goes on. I like the encryption bit. Season your conversations with encryption and they won't find the wood for the trees. Who actually needs encryption in this case. Everyone can just put the word encryption into every conversation every other sentence. Miles of recording tape, (bytes of memory, whatever) just stuffed with inane conversation with a few select phrases. leif(a)imho.net on 15/10/98 14:20:26 To: Richard Bragg/UK/SSA_EUROPE cc: Subject: Re: Use encryption to foil spooks' data harvesting, says US statedept GOOD that did not bounce... Over the last few days my imho mail bounced.. mostly from some DNS, and mail server problems since I made some changes... (at my office who is at this point my mail hub... hehe it is fun to be the SA) OK words or phrases that can be used. Death Kill Destroy ENCRYPTION President Vice President First Lady Bomb dead maim hate if used correctly missile ( I am sure it is in the list if used correctly ) Nerve gas lets see should I go on or do you have the idea.. Here is a hint... I was talking with a friend one day a computer geek himself and we mentioned the word encryption and started talking about said stuff... Well after that word was aid we here a clicking type noise in the background??? HUMMMMMMMMM we change the subject and after some time talking it goes away we say encryption and it came back.... HUMMMMMMMM Go figure. - lhe

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Art Bell
by Edwin E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is Art Bell related to Jim Bell? The following was sent via LibertyWire: Bell Tolls No More Wired News Report http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/15588.html http://www.artbell.com/artquits.html 2:25 p.m. 13.Oct.98.PDT Art Bell, the popular host of the late-night radio show "Coast To Coast AM" is turning off his microphone indefinitely. In Bell's Tuesday morning show he told listeners, "... a threatening terrible event tell you about. Because of that event, and a succession of other events, what you're listening to right now, is my final broadcast on the air."

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I saw the craziest thing last night...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wanted to share with you an experience perhaps worth contemplating... Around 8pm or so last nite I got hungry and the dogs looked at me with those big brown "Help me" eyes and off we trundle to the golden arches. I drive over the 5-6 blocks to N. Lamar and head north. It's about 2 miles or so max. As I get to Mickey Dee's I realize that there is a street bum in the road. There is S. bound traffic and he's about halfway across when I notice the cars are getting pretty close. Well about this time a vehicle with no lights (yet it's after dark) but yellow running lights (I believe that's illegal in this state) begins to continously sound its horn as it approaches the crosser. No apparent attempt to slow down or change lanes was made. The car ended up missing the guy by less than 3 ft. What was really a riot was it was an Austin Police car. Unfortunately I don't read well backward at night so I didn't get a vehicle id or a license so this qualifies as nothing more than another net rumor. It's pretty damn bad when the police resort to assault with a motor vehicle to control street people. Can the recent Supreme Court ruling allowing police to kill you in a high-speed chase as an innocent bystander to protect you from the perp with complete immunity be extended to pursuit of an unrepentant donut? When I was a kid it used to say "To Protect and Serve", not "To Protect or Kill". Isn't the point of a public servant to *serve* the people in a decent, respectful manner? If taken as a given then it's clear that public safety *always* takes precedence over 'catch the crook'. It's better to let the perp run through a neighborhood he's already going to go through and spend resources getting people into their homes and out of the way than it is to prove what a dairing-do bunch of local boys can do catching outlaws, but killing some of the local folks in the process. I appreciate the potential for hostages (even entire neighborhoods) but please explain how this ruling changes those instances in any way? Perhaps we need an amendment that provides a proviso on the rulings of the Supreme Court. Instead of these sorts of dicta having the weight of law, which it shouldn't have since it's not legislative, they should be required to be handed over to Congress for resolution via the normal law making process. This would limit the Supreme Court to interpretations of existing law (per the 9th & 10th Amendment). We definitely need an end to the post-Vietnam, post-Cold War testosterone rush we're living in now. Like it or not, the more initialy confrontational the government gets the more violence it will beget. And trying to justify those strategies by claiming a responce to a rise in violence only begs the question. Perhaps this realization is at least one reason that the equality of the federal level, state level, and individual civil rights has become so critical and so ignored. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Limited Impeachment Probes...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: and no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present. Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This would seem to indicate that the only issue a federal prosecutor needs to be interested in is proving *some* illegal act took place. Not what that act may have actualy been, though describing it may be required. Once that is resolved the other legal aspects fall to the attorney general or district attorney in the appropriate region. With that in mind, its pretty interesting at all the money and effort that's been spent on nothing that is materialy relevant to the issue at hand. Though it is interesting that the issue of profit (running a business?) comes up in the consequences. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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LUGGAGE, GARMENT BAGS, BREIFCASES, ETC.
by sendus＠earthcorp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: DNA (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monozygotic [maternal] twins do have the same DNA. Hence they are identical. Genetically identical that is, there are non-genetic variations. Dizygotic [fraternal] twins do not. Fraternal twins can be visually nearly identical, but they are not genetically identical. Clones on the otherhand and have identical nuclear DNA, but are not necessarily identical because some early development processes rely on maternal genome material and not nuclear DNA, and depending on the cloning process they may have different mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Choate [mailto:ravage@einstein.ssz.com] > > > But what about identical sib's. They all > > > have exactly the same DNA! > > Actualy identical twins will only share about 50% of their > DNA. They get 50% from each parent randomly. This means > that only about 25% of the DNA will match their sibling > from either parent. > > > Or a clone ;). > > This of course ignores transcription errors, environment > issues, etc. It is possible that even a clone would > have protein discrepencies which trace back to DNA strands > that end up different than the original source organism. As > the organism develops and ages these issues can become quite > important. This aspect of DNA matching has gotten the short > shift for sure.

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RE: DNA (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Matthew James Gering <mgering(a)ecosystems.net> > Subject: RE: DNA (fwd) > Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:04:32 -0700 > Monozygotic [maternal] twins do have the same DNA. Hence they are > identical. In my earlier post I got the naming on the type of twin incorrect, it shouldn't have been identical. I was trying to explain that aspect in the second paragraph. My mistake. > Clones on the otherhand and have identical nuclear DNA, but are not > necessarily identical because some early development processes rely on > maternal genome material and not nuclear DNA, and depending on the > cloning process they may have different mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). I assume the mitochondrial differences are due to nucleus swapping, different line of extra-nuclear heritage? ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Fwd: Strom Thurmond Drafts Bill Prohibiting Telegraph Porn
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Strom Thurmond Drafts Bill Prohibiting Telegraph Porn http://www.theonion.com/onion3408/telegraphporn.html Strom Thurmond Drafts Bill Prohibiting Telegraph Porn WASHINGTON, DC--Contending that morse-coded descriptions of improperly petticoated young ladies are undermining the morals of American boys yet in short pants, U.S. Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-SC) proposed legislation Monday banning telegraph porn. "My friends, this revolutionary new 'Tele-graph' technology, by which messages are transmitted across vast distances via cable wire, is indeed a wondrous device," Thurmond told fellow members of the Senate. "But certain telegraphers--most corrupt and foul telegraphy men indeed--have debased Mr. Morse's code by using its ingenious dots and dashes to transmit porno-graphs describing flagrantly uncorseted womenfolk. I submit to you, gentlemen, that laws be passed to prevent the tele-graph device from becoming a machine of ill repute!" Thurmond's proposed legislation would establish stiff penalties for the transmission of certain obscene words and phrases along Western Union's telegram and telegraph wires, including "merry-widow," "bosom," and "underthings," as well as prohibit the use of the word "legs" instead of "limbs" when referring to the female anatomy. In certain contexts, the words"disheveled" and "heaving" would also be regarded as violations of the law, with perpetrators subject to fines of $50 or seven years hard labor on the proposed trans-American steam railroad. "As our nation recovers from the depredations and ruin of the recent War Of Northern Aggression, we must not permit the tele-graph to become the Devil's instrument," said Thurmond, 95. "Mr. Morse's messaging device must not be allowed to corrupt the hearts and minds of the Republic's youths!" [...more...]

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More Mickyshit via WebTV
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Forward from the SpyKing Mailing List. **************************************************************** Subject: Web TV owns your cache http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/zd/zd7.htm 10/12/98- WebTV is watching you From: Inter@ctive Week Online Microsoft Corp.'s WebTV Networks Inc. is quietly using a system-polling feature that can extrapolate subscriber information from each of its 450,000 users to better serve advertisers, said Steve Perlman, president of WebTV. The polling, which takes place nightly, uploads television and Web site viewing habits back to the system. The data makes it possible for WebTV to scrutinize not only what subscribers are watching, but also what they are clicking on or surfing away from, Perlman said. The polling results are offered to advertisers in an aggregate format; however, because results are grouped by ZIP code and contain demographic data compiled from WebTV viewers' polls, it can help them target ads more effectively. "We have a whole department that does nothing but look at the information. If someone is watching a car ad and clicks through, we can send them to the closest car dealership Web site," Perlman said. "The balance is providing advertisers with useful information while still protecting the subscribers." WebTV already protects its subscribers from Internet cookies - -- markers that track what sites people visit on the Web. "I don't think people understand the extent of this. It's recording everything they do. This is like having a video camera on them 24 hours a day," said Tom Rheinlander, an analyst at Forrester Research Inc. The polling will take a giant step into the realm of cable TV in 1999. Tele-Communications Inc. and other cable operators are expected to deploy more than 5 million set-top boxes that will ship with Windows CE and the Solo chip, bringing WebTV to cable. Today, WebTV informs its subscribers about the polling. Next year, Perlman said, customers will have the option of turning individual tracking on and off at will. This will allow advertisers to send ads to single households, not just ZIP codes. Sean Kaldor, vice president of International Data Corp.'s Consumer Device Research, said this could translate into greater ad revenue for Microsoft. "But it could also work out well for subscribers. They may get lower or free subscriptions for enabling this level of tracking," Kaldor said. "Is it going to happen? I doubt it, but it's a nice thought." By Karen J. Bannan **************************************************************** - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: The best way to accelerate Windows is at escape velocity. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNiW0Lo9Co1n+aLhhAQEx6AP+IRmscdFFOxXJBi31Xjp6r/EJJHPsv2uq yaXc+s+30yElGUFh056wr8MPJndwz76zG5ZfsDQmEG4ok9w0zT/2xeC7kve6FX4t RImLpTQxpK9R6voxIhlmXk2nCy8IcrZ74zY16ckdKopmobTT7d9Ry6pgohXAyS75 fbRhHuixtUI= =dZbh -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Use encryption to foil spooks' data harvesting, says US state dept
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://ds.state.gov/documents/protect.doc ·Most international U.S. corporate telecommunications are not encrypted. Some countries do not allow encryption of telecommuni-cations traffic within their borders, but it should be considered where feasible for any transmission of competitive information. ·Many telecommunications transmissions will contain "key words", used to identify information of interest to a third party. A key word can be the name of a technology, product, project, or anything else which may identify the subject of the transmission. · Encryption should be the first line of defense since it is easier for foreign intelligence services to monitor lines than to place "bugs", however encryption will provide little if any security if a careful examination for audio "bugs" elsewhere in the room is not conducted.

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pgp 6 src out
by Steve Mynott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

hmmm pgp 6 source books have been released .. I wonder if there will be a pgp 6i unix version now? -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott steve(a)tightrope.demon.co.uk http://www.pineal.com/ i was gratified to be able to answer promptly, and i did. i said i didn't know. -- mark twain

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RE: DNA (fwd)
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mathew James Gering wrote: >Monozygotic [maternal] twins do have the same DNA. Hence they >are identical. Genetically identical that is, there are non-genetic >variations. Dizygotic [fraternal] twins do not. Fraternal twins can >be visually nearly identical, but they are not genetically identical. That's right. "Monozygotic". I'd forgotten the word. >Clones on the otherhand and have identical nuclear DNA, but >are notnecessarily identical because some early development >processes rely on maternal genome material and not nuclear >DNA, and depending on the cloning process they may have >different mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). Yep - if you mean Dolly-style clones derived from nuclear transplants into eggs. there was an interesting article in this week's "New Scientist" magazine (http://www.newscientist.com/ns/981010/contents.html) about the changing popular meaning of the word "clone". It was originally used for a group of plants produced vegetatively, like by cuttings or runners. Then it was extended to other organisms that can reproduce by division, like so-called protozoa Then to DNA replicated from one ancestor. And now to artificially cloned things like Dolly. If you got a Dolly-style clone made from you he or she wouldn't be your child, but your sibling and wouldn't be identical to you for all the reasons Matt pointed out. And of course because of different education/experience/upbringing et.c nto to mention the knowledge that they had been got in such a different way, which must do *something* to the psyche. (Anyone read "Cyteen" by CJ Cherryh?) Identical twins of course are a clone in the original sense, just as much as a variety of apples or a colony of bacteria are a clone. Really genetically identical, right down to the maternal contribution, because they drive from division at an early embryo stage (Sea-urchins can do it as well but insects can't...) If it were possible to re-potentiate adult cells and transform them into embryos (it works in plants - but then it has to because they can't move cells from one organ to another so any shoot tip has to be able to produce any kind of plant tissue) then we could make "real" twin-like clones of humans. If the search for the mysterious foetal stem cells pays off that might be possible (though why anyone would want to clone a human foetus is beyond me. Assume all the crude jokes about it being more fun to make another one using the traditional method). Ken Brown

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Springfield poxmarked 9 October 1998: Subject: Springfield CypherPunks Physical Meeting FPP 10-5-98 Date: Every Saturday thru Thursday (except when it rains) Time: During 'REC' Hour. Place: Recreation Cages/The Hole (TM) Nuthouse Number Nine Looney Level 'Leven Springfield, Missouri Directions: Walk to the Cell Door. Turn around, squat down and put your hands behind you, and through the Slot In The Door. Stand up after Handcuffs are in place, turn around and wait for Guard to open Door. Step into hallway and wait for Pat-Down. (Smiling, Wisecracks & Hard-Ons not advised.) Follow first Inmate & Guard. There will be a short period for everyone to cop a few butts (cigarettes only, please), if they don't have any, light them and Shoot the Shit or Settle Old Scores before the Speakers begin to Rant & Rave or Blather Aimlessly. This Weeks Topics/Speakers Saturday: Where Are Everybody's Shoes? ~ MAY, T.C. Sunday: Does Anybody Remember What We Talked About Yesterday? ~ FroomNOSPAMkin, M. Monday: I *TOLD* You They (TM) Were Out To Get Us! ~ replay.com, N@ Tuesday: If They're So Certain This Prison is Secure, Then Why Won't They Provide Us With Blue Prints? ~ Geiger, Wm III Wednesday: This Isn't What I Had In Mind When I Helped Set the Prison Standards ~ Hallam-Baker, P. I'm Sure Glad I Put In A Side Door ~ Sameer, P. I Broke Out! (But I Can't Provide You With Any Details) ~ Zimmermann, P. How many Beatings Does It Take To Change A Prison Cell Light Bulb? ~ Costner, R. I Bet Bill Gates *Stole* Everyone's Shoes! ~ Hun, A.T. I *Love* This Prison! ~ Hettinga, R. Thursday: Prisoner #7-9-12-13-15-18-5, J. is a COCK SUCKER! ~ Warden Vulis, D. (KOTM) (DON'T FORGET YOUR SHOES!)

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Springfield porkmarked 9 October 1998: Subject: Virtual Heist -- FPP #6 "I put Six Million into Hog Futures first thing this morning." Yesterday's Power Suit told his lunch companion, hoping to impress her. "Silicon Valley." Today's Power Skirt replied, almost leaning over to whisper, as if speaking loud enough for the Differently Dressed Deviate at the next table to hear would make E.F. Hutton roll over in His or Her grave. "That's where the Smart Money's going again." she continued, glancing nervously at the Differently Dressed Deviate whose Well-Tailored Suit seemed so out of place and ... well, Threatening ... in this Chicago Mercantile Exchange Lunch Room. Today's Power Skirt crossed her legs and casually admired her new Rolex as she told Yesterday's Power Suit, with a hint of disdain in her voice, "I just put *Twenty-Six Million Dollars* into ..." "Everybody Freeze!" screamed the Differently Dressed Deviate as i jumped to His or Her feet, pulling a Digital Uzi out of His or Her Well-Tailored Suit, which was a Cammo Montage of Colors Weaves & Cuts of the Power Suits of a wide span of Time & Generations. "Army of Dog!" Cammo Monty continued, sending a Shiver of Terror down the spines of the Lunch Crowd gathered today, as they were everyday, discussing (over their bag lunches) their movement of Other People's Millions into and out of various Money Market Accounts, et al. Cammo Monty pointed the Digital Uzi at the breast pocket of Yesterday's Power suit. "Let's see your Bank Book, Dick Face." Horrified, Yesterday's Power Suit shakily withdrew the Bank Book from his pocket, opened it and placed it on the table in front of him. "Just over three hundred bucks." the Army of Dog Digital Terrorist told the Lunch Crowd, causing much chuckling and snickering throughout the room. "Let's have it, Twat Face." Cammo Monty spun around pointing the Digital Uzi directly at the Bank Book of Today's Power Skirt, as she was trying to slip it out of her Briefcase, unnoticed. Reluctantly, she opened it and lay it on the table. "A hundred and twenty-eight dollars ..." Cammo Monty announced to the tittering Lunch Crowd, "and seventeen cents." i finished to a chorus of guffaws. Cammo Monty leapt onto his chair, and placed one foot on the table, waving His or Her Digital Uzi around the room, seeing the Fear (TM) in the Eyes of each Wanna Be Money Kontroller in the room - thinking that they might be the next to have their finances exposed. "Today's Power Skirt," Cammo Monty told the Lunch Crowd, "bought her Rolex on a Payment Plan," a shudder went through the room, "with a *ten percent*," i spit out the words as she began to moan, "down-payment." Today's Power skirt collapsed in tears ... "You Fucking Morons (TM)!" Cammo Monty screamed at the group, causing them to cringe in shame. "You are handling Other People's Money. It's not *your* money, you idiots, so Wake The Fuck Up (TM) and stop pretending that it is ... to yourself and to each other." <J <J Across town, one of Cammo Monty's A0D Non-Conspirators was making a similar speech to a Lunch Crowd of Federal BureauCraps. "Sunshine is the best disinfectant." the Beautiful Army of Bitch Terrorist nagged the whimpering BureauCraps, for the hundredth times, as i laid yet another Digital Printout on the Overhead Projector. "This is the amount of National Debt that is a result of you Fuck Wads holding meetings to discuss the agendas of future meetings." Beautiful Bitch snarled at the Group. "This," i continued, slapping down a picture of a Family With 2.5 Children onto the Overhead Projector, "is who is *paying* for your Incompetence & Departmental Squabbling." "Don't look away!" the Beautiful Bitch screamed, using the Zoom Feature to Highlite the Child with no arms or legs in the picture. "It's NOT YOUR MONEY you Dumb Assholes!" i continued to nag at the BureauCraps. "But you're not content to force the Taxpayers to pay An Arm & A Leg to support your Wasteful Spending - now you want *Two Arms & Two Legs* ..." "CHILDREN'S LEGS!" the Beautiful Bitch raged at the terrified BureauCraps.

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RE: INTERNET STOCKWATCH! I S M R
by stockadvisory79658ddlw＠gte.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: What it's like to get a subpoena (re Toto) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:25:01 -0400 > From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> > Subject: Re: What it's like to get a subpoena (re Toto) (fwd) > It's tough being the earliest ones contacted, having to decide > as Tom and Jim have had to do about whether to go public > or deal with the inquiries in private and hope that nothing worse > develops. That's what worries me, once the snowball gets rolling... I mean jeesh, I run a program that handles email. This sort of stuff is exactly why I don't like interacting with people via private email unless I know them personaly (ie via non-electronic means). The software is publicly available and certainly doesn't need me to explain it. While I can see some interest in wanting to know what CJ/Toto/aka said to me that night on the phone and the next day at the physical meet, it makes me wonder exactly what am I *supposed* to know about... > It's that switch from friendly and couterous to the other that > none of want to think about, eh? "You're under arrest. Anything > you say can and will be used against you." Hmm, what was I > saying, posting, here. Ahmen. Though a more insidous threat is the 'network' that gets built out of it. I wonder if this means every time some bozo I happen to run across goes postal I'm going to be 'investigated'? I wonder how long a name stays on those (probably) non-existant lists? > Makes a more convincing case to have a live body telling the > facts of the matter, explaining how things work, somewhat eager > to instruct and please, in self-preservation, to keep the cops and > court friendly and courteous. What was told to the investigators > in private, that's what hung Jim Bell and CJ. That was the ultimate reason that I went ahead and posted it. That way somebody *besides* me knew about it. > Then the friendly folks came for you and me, working a list. Which is the reason I'm talking to a lawyer to find out specificaly what is going on. I mean in my own self interest and the continued existance of TAG:SSZ it seems to be the thing to do. As far as I know I won't have access to council once I'm in there. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Who is next? (re Jim's subpoena)
by William J. Hartwell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This ran through my mind this morning before I was totally awake. Maybe somebody can help me with the original author of this.... When they came for Kevin Mitnick I said nothing. After all he was a big time hacker and I wasn't a hacker so I did not speak up. When they came for Jim Bell I said nothing. He was a criminal and I am not a criminal so I didn't speak up. When they came for Toto I said nothing. Surely he was nuts and I am completely sane so I didn't speak up. When they came for Jim Choate I said nothing. He runs a cypherpunks mailing list and I don't manage any lists so I didn't speak up. When they come for me who will be left to speak up? This is a poor paraphrase of the original but I wonder if it is something that we may be saying here in the U.S. soon? -- William J. Hartwell (602)987-8436 Queencreek, Az. billh(a)ibag.com billh(a)interdem.com billh(a)hartwell.net

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Soccer Moms?
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In the middle of an interesting article about digital cash, forwarded here by Bob Hettinga, there was the line: > After all, the kind of soccer moms who elected Bill Clinton "Divided by a common language" as I am I genuinly don't know what that means. And I can't even guess from context. I'd have expected a dig at liberals or feminists or welfare recipients at that point; and I can't work out what soccer has to do with it. Do mothers play soccer much in the USA? Football (as the 95% of the world's population that aren't either English-speaking North Americans or else Rugby fans call the Beautiful Game) is associated in my mind with young men, specifically working class men. It's connotations are entirely macho, even violent. When a big match is on men gather in pubs and bars and shout at TVs whilst knocking back the lager. You avoid the centre of town if you don't want to risk getting involved in a fight. People get *killed* at football matches. That's pretty much true in every big city inthe world outside North America (and Japan where the fans are polite). This honestly isn't a troll - I am in fact bewildered by the phrase. Ken Brown

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"It's a Hardware Problem..."
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com X-Sender: believer(a)telepath.com Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 06:33:46 -0500 To: believer(a)telepath.com From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: Sandia Labs: Foiling Hackers: World's Smallest Combination Lock Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: list Reply-To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: EurekAlert! http://www.eurekalert.org/releases/snl-wsclpt.html EMBARGOED FOR RELEASE: 12 OCTOBER 1998 AT 02:00:00 ET US Contact: Chris Burroughs coburro(a)sandia.go 505-844-0948 Sandia National Laboratories "World's Smallest Combination Lock" Promises To Foil The Best Computer Hacker, Say Sandia Developers ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The "world's smallest combination lock," a minuscule mechanical device developed at Sandia National Laboratories, promises to build a virtually impenetrable computer firewall that even the best hacker can't beat. The Recodable Locking Device, which uses microelectromechanical system (MEMS) technology so small that it takes a microscope to see it, is a series of tiny notched gears that move to the unlocked position only when the right code is entered. It's the first known mechanical hardware designed to keep unwanted guests from breaking codes and illegally entering computer and other secure systems. "Computer firewalls have always been dependent on software, which means they are 'soft' and subject to manipulations," says Larry Dalton, manager of Sandia's High Integrity Software Systems Engineering Department. "Our device is hardware and is extremely difficult to break into. You have one and only one chance in a million of picking exactly the right code compared to a one in 10,000 chance, with many additional chances, in most software firewalls. After one failed try, this new device mechanically shuts down and can't be reset and reopened except by the owner." Patent filed Sandia, a Department of Energy (DOE) national security lab, recently filed for a patent for the mechanism. The first working units were fabricated in July. The Sandia team, which is refining the device and doing reliability tests, expects to have it ready for commercialization in about two years. Once it is perfected, a commercial partner will be tapped to produce and sell it. "The Recodable Locking Device should be of great interest to businesses and individuals who have computer networks, have sites on the Web, or require secure computers," says Frank Peter, engineer who designed the device. "It would make it virtually impossible for break-ins to Web sites, like what occurred with The New York Times in September." (Hackers broke into the Times' electronic edition in mid-September and shut it down for several hours.) Computer crime is a growing problem nationwide. The Computer Security Institute together with the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) recently surveyed 520 security practitioners in US corporations, government agencies, financial institutions, and universities. Results showed that 64 percent of the respondents reported computer security breaches within the last 12 months. And although 72 percent said they suffered financial losses from these breaches, only 42 percent were able to quantify their losses -- estimating them to be more than $136.8 million. Dalton says he 'had the notion' of the device for three years, calling it the 'digital isolation and incompatibility' project. Digital was for the digital world, and isolation and incompatibility are important concepts in stronglinks, which are mechanical locks used as safety devices in weapons. He turned to Sandia's Electromechanical Engineering Department, headed by David Plummer, to do the design because of that group's expertise in stronglinks as well as its ability to design using the new MEMS technology. Simple system "It took about three months to go from concept to the final design," Peter says. "Based on a code storage scheme used successfully in existing weapon surety subsystems, we were able to design a very simple device -- and it's the simplicity of the device that makes it easy to analyze from a vulnerability standpoint." The Sandia Microelectronics Development Laboratory used Peter's design to build a working device, which consists of a series of six code wheels, each less than 300 microns in diameter, driven by electrostatic comb drives that turn electrical impulses into mechanical motion. The 'lock owner' sets a lock combination to any value from one to one million. The entire device is about 9.4 millimeters by 4.7 millimeters, about the size of a button on a dress shirt. The Recodable Locking Device consists of two sides -- the user side and the secure side. To unlock the device, a user must enter a code that identically matches the code stored mechanically in the six code wheels. If the user makes even one wrong entry -- and close doesn't count -- the device mechanically 'locks up' and does not allow any further tries until the owner resets it from the secure side. The six gears and the comb drives would be put on a small chip that could be incorporated into any computer, computer network, or security system. Because the chip is built using integrated circuit fabricating techniques, hundreds can be constructed on a single six-inch silicon wafer. The end result is that the device will be very inexpensive to produce. Plummer says Sandia is the only place where development of such a mechanism could have occurred. "That's due to the unique multilevel polysilicon fabrication process developed by Sandia and our heritage of designing mechanical locking devices," he says. Besides being a deterrent to hackers, the device has other security applications, Peter says. For example, controlled information could be made available only in a window of opportunity. The information owner could tell the party needing the data that he or she has five minutes to enter in a specific code and gain access. Then, after five minutes, the code would be reset and access denied. A variety of potential safety applications are also possible with the Recodable Locking Device. The mechanism can confirm that a critical system is operating as expected. And if it detects a problem, it will not permit execution of a function. In this safety capacity, the device could be used, for example, to ensure that a radiation therapy machine delivers the correct radiation dosage. "This device has a powerful potential -- one that is readily understood by most everyone," Dalton says. "I've been told by Department of Defense people that this is the first real technical advancement in information security that they've seen in a long time." Sandia is a multiprogram DOE laboratory, operated by a subsidiary of Lockheed Martin Corp. With main facilities in Albuquerque, N.M., and Livermore, Calif., Sandia has major research and development responsibilities in national security, energy, and environmental technologies and economic competitiveness. ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. 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Commerce Undersecretary William Reinsch defends the governments encryption policy
by nospam＠freedom.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I especially like the part about DEEPCRACK and how because EFF knew that the message was in English that it doesn't really prove that the FBI can break 56bit DES encryption. --------------------------------------------------- http://www.infosecuritymag.com/sept/q%26a.htm Q & A WITH WILLIAM REINSCH Cryptos Key Man Commerce Undersecretary William Reinsch defends the governments encryption export policyeven though it puts him "in the hot seat." BY ANDY BRINEY Q: How would you characterize current U.S. cryptographic export policies? A: The President has consistently articulated a policy of balancebetween privacy, electronic commerce, law enforcement and national security. We believe all four elements are important, and were trying to produce a policy that takes all of them into account. But is it really possible to balance all these issues at the same time? We think so. Im not sure the industry agrees with us, and its not easy. The privacy issues involved have been discussed for 50 years in debates about wiretaps and law enforcement devices for intercepting phone conversations. Encryption poses some of the same issues: privacy vs. law enforcement. The country has come to terms with wiretaps over the years, and people still use phoneseven though, with proper court orders, theres the possibility that law enforcement could be listening in. We think well be able to arrive at the same common public understanding with encryption. But theres no question that getting there will be difficult. What kind of time frame are we looking at? Is the administration looking at releasing a "final" crypto export policy within the next three months? Six months? A year? The policy I articulatedone of balanceis based on implementations in the marketplace. We expect the market to develop the products we like, and we expect that there will be a demand for the products. We want to work through the market. What that means is, if the market turns in unexpected directions, we have to be ready to re-evaluate our policy. So I dont think youre going to see a "final" versionever. As long as the market moves and changes, our policy will be tweaked to accommodate whats happening. In the short run, however, the policy we are currently operating under expires January 1. Weve told industry we expect to revisit that policy this fall, and make judgments about whats going to happen after January 1. So weve committed to trying to come out with the next update, hopefully by Labor Day, although my expectation is it may take a little longer than that. Can you be more explicit about what this policy might entail? No. Because were not there yet. What has been the industrys reaction to current policy? Industry has been quite active, particularly with submitting key-recovery plans. We provide more liberalized export controls for companies that provide plans by which they will build key-recovery products. Weve approved some 55 plans nowwith a few more pending. I dont think theyre doing it just because the government asked them to; theyre doing it because they see a market. In addition, in the spring the FBI and the Justice Department asked companies to come in to see if a technical solution could be found to deal with these issues. Companies have done that, too. At the same time, of all the economic sectors in the country, this ones moving the fastest. Theres a real danger that, if we cant get our policy together and out there in the marketplace soon, we could be overtaken by events overseas. Recently, a panel was charged with developing a Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS). One of this groups directives was to design a federal computer security system that includes back doorswhich they failed to do. Whats next for this panel, and for this issue? My understanding is that, at the request of a majority of the panels members, the Secretary [of Commerce] has extended their charter to the end of the year. The Secretary received a letter from the panel in which the majority felt they would be able to complete their work with additional time. However, they also said they werent entirely confident that at the end of the day it would be unanimous product. Even if it were possible to do key escrow on the scale the government is asking, would anyone willingly buy such a product knowing that stronger encryption products without back doors are available? To prevent this, wouldnt it be necessary to criminalize the domestic possession of stronger crypto? First of all, we havent supported the latter. Second, I think you need to look at this problem in pieces, not as a unitary problem. The pieces are: stored data, data in transit (such as e-mail) and voice communications. I would argue that with the first two of those pieces, theres going to be substantial demand in the market for the kinds of products that are helpful from our standpoint. For stored data, we see a demand for key recoverywere not using the term "key escrow" much anymore. Particularly in business and financial institutions, theres a demand for recovery products, because people want to be able to access employees data in the event of accidents or other such things. As for e-mail, the most significant development there was the announcement nine companies made in early July. Each of these companies submitted an application for a so-called "door bell" technology, which connotes a variety of means of recovery at the server level. What we see developing here is growing use of network encryptionas opposed to encryption at the PCfor secure transmission of messages. Employers will want that, for employee control purposes. From the standpoint of law enforcement, thats a happy development, because it creates two "third point" locationsthe senders server and the recipients serverthat are physically separate from the sender and recipient of the message. These points are often controlled by third parties, namely contractors running the system. So, with the proper court order, law enforcement could go to those third points and obtain plain-text access. What was your reaction to the Electronic Frontier Foundations cracking of DES in July? I think you have to contrast that situation, which was reasonably artificial, with the reality of law enforcement. In this case, it took a decent amount of resources to crack a specific message that, I believe, the people doing the crack knew was in English, and knew was one message. Now, if youre the FBI, think about that. From their standpoint, were talking about traffic that isnt so easily identifiable. It might be a long stream of encrypted material that theyre trying to intercept in real time; they dont necessarily know what language its in; they dont necessarily know what part of the message is of interest to them; and they dont know whether its words or text or graphics or what it might be. Telling the FBI that, under those circumstances, you can buy an expensive computer and crack one message in 56 hoursthats not a lot of comfort to the FBI. And it doesnt seem to me that it should make anybody in the private sector nervous about the security of 56-bit products. If thats the best were going to get56 hours for a single message decrypted by equipment most people dont have and arent ever going to havethat doesnt exactly mean that its an unsecured product. But it does illustrate a trend. As time passes, its taking fewer and fewer resources and less and less time to crack the same algorithm. In 1997, it took three months. In February, it took 39 days. Now, its one $250,000 computer and 56 hours. Whos to say in two more months it wont be cracked in an even shorter amount of time with even fewer resources? You can project that curve, and maybe youll be right. The immediate effect of that is that its going to accelerate a trend thats already begun anyway, which is toward 128-bit products. I think thats a trend that would have occurred regardless of this particular event. The technical people Ive talked to say that once you get beyond 90 or 100 bits, it doesnt make all that much difference because youre talking about brute-force cracking times that are beyond any real time that you can imagine. Obviously, the faster you can crack 56 bits, the faster you can crack 90 or 100. But since each successive bit doubles your time, by the time you get to 90, I think youre into thousands of years... But the question is, assuming that 90 is safe, wouldnt it then be prudent to have a policy that allows uniform export of 90-bit products without special dispensation? I dont think we expect to set bit-length requirements. We believe in the marketplace deciding what is secure and what is not. The government is not going to say that 90 is good or 128 is good But right now its saying 56 is sufficient. No, the government is saying that 56 can be exported under certain circumstances. What the government has also said is that if its a key-recovery product, it can be exported with any bit length without constraint. And thats what we would prefer to focus onto tell people, if youre product has recovery features, bit length doesnt matter. Thats the incentive. What happens if a key-recovery standard cannot be agreed upon? Is there a fallback plan? We are doing everything we can to encourage people to find it acceptable and to get the market to move in that direction. We think thats whats happening. So I dont think weve developed a Plan B in that sense. Can you discuss progress on the Advanced Encryption Standard (AES)? No. Im not particularly involved in that. I think you need to talk to some NIST or NSA people about that. ALSO Q: You seem to be the governments point man on encryption policy issues. Is that a function of your office, your background, or what? A: "Designated victim" is the term we use [laughs]. Actually, its a function of the office. An integral component of our policy involves export controls, and the BXA [Bureau of Export Administration] administers export controls of dual-use items for the government. So I end up in the hot seat. EDITORS NOTE: Next month, Bruce Schneier, author of the definitive text Applied Cryptography, will respond to Undersecretary Reinschs comments in a special Word in Edgewise article.

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Evans on tradition, common law & Hayek
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:43:25 EDT Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Sender: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> From: Stephen Carson <SWCarson(a)AOL.COM> Subject: Evans on tradition, common law & Hayek To: HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU M. Stanton Evans has an excellent discussion of tradition & common law as it relates to liberty & consent in his _The Theme is Freedom: Religion, Politics, and the American Tradition_, (1994, Regnery). Chapter 5 of that book, "The Uses of Tradition", is particularly helpful. From that chapter... [emphases his] "The reason for this libertarian effect is that the common law created a tremendous obstacle to the *workings of unchecked power in the state*. For if the law grew up by way of custom and tradition, over great intervals of time, then it was not the work of any individual and could not be changed at anyone's discretion. It was outside the ordinary workings of the process, pre-existed the powers of the day, and would survive them. This made it superior to the will of any king, or group of legislators, and gave it independent status." -p. 80 "...the common law cannot be made over by the decree of any given individual, group, or even generation. It consists instead of the accretion, over time, of ways of thinking and acting that many generations have accepted. When you think about it - and the common lawyers did - this is a *species of consent*. It means that people are *voluntarily choosing to do things in a certain way, without any central direction or design*. Another common lawyer of the Stuart era, John Davies, put it as follows: 'The common law of England is nothing else but the common law and custom of the realm... A custom taketh beginning and groweth to perfection in this manner; when a reasonable act once done is found to be good and beneficial to the people, and agreeable to their nature and disposition, then they do use and practice it again and again, and so by often iteration and multiplication of the act it becometh a custom... customary law is the most perfect and most excellent, and without comparison the best, to make and preserve a commonwealth. For the written laws that are made by either the edict of princes, or by council of estates [i.e., Parliament] are imposed on the subject before any trial or probation made, whether the same be fit and agreeable to the nature and disposition of the people, or whether they will breed any inconvenience or no. But a custom doth never become a law to bind the people, until it had been tried time out of mind...'" -p. 88 "This notion of *custom as consent*, in contrast to top-down command, is among the key ideas of the free society. With the statements of Davies and Wilson, in fact, we approach the modern exposition of this point by Hayek, who devotes a series of penetrating essays to the subject. The distinctive features of a libertarian regime, Hayek argues, is that it permits the organization of society by free decision, and that this results in an ordered system that no single person or even group of people has designed, and that could not have been created by top-down methods. An obvious example is the development of language - a structure that has grown up over a considerable course of time, invented by nobody in particular, but used conveniently by many." -p. 89-90 I had never quite connected this aspect of consent in with the common law. This makes the connection between spontaneous order, custom, time & consent much clearer to me. Stephen W. Carson <mailto:SWCarson@aol.com> "Premature optimization is the root of all evil" -Donald Knuth --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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FW: IAB statement on "private doorbell" encryption
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: The IAB[SMTP:iab@ietf.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 9:35 AM > Subject: IAB statement on "private doorbell" encryption > > > > The IAB and IESG are concerned by published descriptions of the > "private doorbell" approach to resolving the encryption controversy. > Essentially, the private doorbell requires that encryption and > decryption be done at a gateway, rather than at an end system; see > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/779/govtaff/policy/paper/paper_index.html > for one description. This is in conflict with the "end-to-end" > principle, a fundamental tenet of the Internet architecture. While > there is certainly a place for gateway-based encryption in some > circumstances, to require it in all places (and to exclude end-to-end > encryption) would warp the protocol structure. Furthermore, it > offers a significantly lower level of security, in that there is > no longer protection against inside attacks, which by all accounts > are a serious threat. > > In addition, putting all security at the gateway ignores the need > for different levels of protection in different situations. For > some applications, encryption to the gateway may suffice. Others > may require encryption and cryptographic authentication of the > individual machine or even user. Should a strong encryption > algorithm be used, or a very efficient one? It is very difficult > to make these decisions anywhere but the end-system. But the > "private doorbell" scheme would block deployment of such fine-grained > protection. > > ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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FW: Protocol Action: OpenPGP Message Format to Proposed Standard
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: The IESG[SMTP:iesg-secretary@ietf.org] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 1998 10:27 AM > Cc: RFC Editor; Internet Architecture Board; ietf-open-pgp(a)imc.org > Subject: Protocol Action: OpenPGP Message Format to Proposed Standard > > > > The IESG has approved the Internet-Draft 'OpenPGP Message Format' > <draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-08.txt> as a Proposed Standard. This > document is the product of the An Open Specification for Pretty Good > Privacy Working Group. > > The IESG contact persons are Jeffrey Schiller and Marcus Leech. > > > > Technical Summary > > This document defines the formats used by "Phil's Pretty Good > Privacy" otherwise known as PGP. > > Working Group Summary > > After serious discussion the working group came to consensus on this > document. > > Protocol Quality > > The formats used here are the result of a second generation > engineering effort to define an efficient, one pass format for > representing information encrypted or signed with PGP. They were > reviewed by Jeffrey I. Schiller for the IESG. > > > Note to RFC Editor: Please add the following as an IESG Note: > > This document defines many tag values, yet it doesn't describe a > mechanism for adding new tags (for new features). Traditionally the > Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) handles the allocation of > new values for future expansion and RFCs usually define the procedure > to be used by the IANA. However there are subtle (and not so subtle) > interactions that may occur in this protocol between new features and > existing features which result in a significant reduction in over all > security. Therefore this document does not define an extension > procedure. Instead requests to define new tag values (say for new > encryption algorithms for example) should be forwarded to the IESG > Security Area Directors for consideration or forwarding to the > appropriate IETF Working Group for consideration. > > ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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Re: Commerce Undersecretary William Reinsch defends the government's encryption policy
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nospam(a)freedom.net wrote: > > http://www.infosecuritymag.com/sept/q%26a.htm > Q & A WITH WILLIAM REINSCH > > Reinsch: What the government has also said is that if it's a > key-recovery product, it can be exported with any bit length > without constraint. And that's what we would prefer to focus > on -- to tell people, if you're product has recovery features, > bit length doesn't matter. Ah, something we can finally agree upon: "if your product has recovery features, bit length doesn't matter" (it's insecure).

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DCSB: Risk Management is Where the Money Is; Trust in Digital Commerce
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: rah(a)pop.sneaker.net Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:01:58 -0400 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu, dcsb-announce(a)ai.mit.edu From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: DCSB: Risk Management is Where the Money Is; Trust in Digital Commerce Cc: Dan Geer <geer(a)world.std.com>, Terry Symula <symula(a)ma.ultranet.com>, "Heffan, Ira" <HEFFAN(a)tht.com>, Roland Mueller <roland(a)secunet.com> Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Dan Geer Senior Strategist and VP, CertCo, Inc. Risk Management is Where the Money Is Tuesday, November 3rd, 1998 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA The focus of "security" research today is the study of "trust management," i.e., the study of how trust is created, propagated, circumscribed, stored, exchanged, accounted for, recalled and adjudicated in an electronic world. This is both natural and mature -- natural because security is a means and not an end, mature because security technology must differentiate along cost-benefit lines. All the security technology that you can buy today enables some aspect of trust management and the academic and entrepreneurial segments alike are busy supplying many novel ways to propagate trust. They have it all wrong. Trust management is definitely exciting, but like most exciting ideas it is not important. What is important is risk management, the sister, the dual of trust management. And it is risk management that is the part of financial services that will drive the security world from here on out whether you realize it or not. Dan Geer is VP and Senior Strategist for CertCo, Inc., market leader in digital certification for electronic commerce. Dan has been at a number of security oriented startups in the Boston area since leaving academia where he was Manager of Systems Development for MIT's Project Athena. He holds a S.B. in EE/CS from MIT, and a Sc.D. in Biostatistics from Harvard. He was deeply involved in medical computing for fifteen years. A frequent speaker, popular teacher and member of several professional societies, he has been active in USENIX for some years at the Board level. His recent publications include "The Web Security Sourcebook" (Wiley, 1997) and the security chapter in Leebaert's "The Future of the Electronic Marketplace" (MIT, 1998). This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, November 3, 1998, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $32.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, various A/V hardware, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men (and no sneakers or jeans), and "appropriate business attire" (whatever that means), for women. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your lunch if the Club finds you in violation of the dress code. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, October 31st, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $32.50. Please include your e-mail address, so that we can send you a confirmation If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: December Joseph DeFeo TBA January Ira Heffan Internet Software and Business Process Patents February Roland Mueller European Privacy Directive We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com>. For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . We look forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.5 iQEVAwUBNiYOVsUCGwxmWcHhAQFxUggAjVPIS2STdjusV7TZJd/VrrA9NOzw12al 9k9wFsEcWwvknad85QCiTY1Vkwa7hCakuH9YkU9BZlWLgNhpm0tBTZ/nkMjGRaaX 3V8d89CfjaXoMfxYEmL95Cm0HEND5hUFoSmlWPQUjvThcQwrbWzXubzsmPn0Jd7M kqUrp/oFmqv4XYjgFWQxIz6va4dB772fTKCCmGJankNYh/ho+/HWm0pasymTzl/b akPKYSnTgCNQrUqHy6zSJJiinrAWQkPYcEinWktnT/TJGU1DFuxciJzQhu1c1eVr 8xtkgPn86Rmz4HXKnLRRm+lTWOKAo6+IDR4N1vR38pCiHx4ySIQ+PQ== =/Xht -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Commerce Undersecretary William Reinsch defends the governments encryption policy
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> We want to work through the market. What that means is, if the market > turns in unexpected directions, we have to be ready to re-evaluate our > policy. So I don't think you're going to see a "final" version > ever. As long as the market moves and changes, our policy will be > tweaked to accommodate what's happening. In other words ... If we don't approve, it's time to go back to ITAR and 40-bits. > I don't think they're doing it just because the government asked them > to; they're doing it because they see a market. In addition, in the > spring the FBI and the Justice Department asked companies to come in > to see if a technical solution could be found to deal with these > issues. Companies have done that, too. It must be nice to be able to pressure and threaten companies behind the scenes and then come out to the public to say that they are "cooperating" or "volunteering". > At the same time, of all the economic sectors in the country, this > one's moving the fastest. There's a real danger that, if we can't get > our policy together and out there in the marketplace soon, we could be > overtaken by events overseas. In other words, "all this time we've been denying that there was overseas competition, well, we were lying through our teeth." "And that thing with the EU complaining about Echelon and the Germans trying to head up the Europeans to bust ITAR/EAR ..." Oops! Can't say the "E" word in public because "nobody" knows about that! > I think you have to contrast that situation, which was reasonably > artificial, with the reality of law enforcement. In this case, it took > a decent amount of resources to crack a specific message that, I > believe, the people doing the crack knew was in English, and knew was > one message. Must be nice not having real technologists pointing out blatant flaws/lies in your public statments. > Now, if you're the FBI, think about that. From their standpoint, we're > talking about traffic that isn't so easily identifiable. It might be a > long stream of encrypted material that they're trying to intercept in > real time; they don't necessarily know what language it's in; they > don't necessarily know what Sure ... if the FBI were really stupid ... and the FBI didn't really want to do any homework, but instead, would rather have NSA's dictionaries do the walking ... encryption would be a real bitch, wouldn't it? Even 40-bit. Ern

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FBI Affidavit on Ex-NSA Cryptanalyst
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We offer the FBI's 23-page affidavit of charges against David Sheldon Boone, ex-NSA cryptanalyst who allegedly passed top secret SIGINT, EW and nuclear targeting plans to the Soviets: http://jya.com/dsb100998.htm Tantalizing hints on means and methods, quoting the affidavit of the FBI agent in charge: On one occasion, "Igor" [Soviet agent] told BOONE that the KGB/SVRR had access to United States Signals Directive (USSID) Zero, which was an index of all other USSIDs, and from this index IGOR asked BOONE to obtain specific USSIDs. I have ascertained that USSIDs are classified NSA publications for use in providing Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) support to the United States military. BOONE told the OA [FBI Operational Asset posing as Soviet agent to set up Boone] that he had given "Igor" a photocopy of an NSA document entitled "United States Signals Intelligence Directive (USSID) 514," dated May 6, 1988. BOONE told the OA that this USSID was unusual because it was one of few USSIDs to be classified TOP SECRET rather than SECRET. BOONE told the OA that USSID 514 was not widely disseminated but that one copy had been at USAFS Augsburg. And more on Boone's training and duties in cryptanalysis at Fort Meade and in Germany. Bad Ausburg is the location of one of the NSA intercept stations for the Echelon program is it not?

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mail2fax remailer capability?
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am noticing the odd free email2fax "your fax was sent successfully" report in the dud messages sent to (the non-replyable) nobody(a)remailer.ch. Warming to the heart that -- anonymous fax. Now I am wondering what the coverage is like on fax gateways -- it clearly only is going to work in places where there are free local calls, for numbers counting as local to the gateway. Just thinking it would be kind of nice if one could send a message To: +1.234.567.891-mail2fax(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu via mixmaster and have it sort out the delivery if possible to mail2fax gateways operating with local calls in that area code. (Analogously perhaps to the auto USENET posting from those remailers with this option turned on -- that is either direct (remailer posts) or indirect (forwarded to a mail2news gateway)). Has anyone come across any mail2fax site which tries to keep track of other free fax services and forward faxes to one in the right area? ('Course if we could get some damn working ecash, we could fax it anywhere -- sender pays:-) Next stage -- anonymous voice mail delivered via voice modem / soundcard, all via mixmaster, that would be nice! Adam

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Re: Commerce Undersecretary William Reinsch defends the governments encryption policy
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael, Absolutely! But I still really am hoping in desperation that some people in the main stream press would get a clue that this is all double speak, and that they are simply playing a game to buy time for their old system, and buy political wins for the next system. Heck, if I was in FBI/NSA's shoes, and this was the slimy game I see everyday in D.C., it would be the same game I play to get what I need. And I would be very irresponsible if I did not play the game, however slimy it is. The problem is that it seems like most of the public take speeches like the speakers are pretty much honest, when in fact, most of the time, they are playing spin control. I have no doubt the FBI/NSA are in trouble. Echelon (or whatever they call it) is in trouble. They are irresponsible if they did not fight to the end to preserve some of their multi-billion $$$ investment, but they are in dire straits if they are hoping for a second generation centralized scanning intelligence machinery like Echelon. My belief is that they have to gather automated intelligence from far more disparate and heterogenous (and possibly conflicting) sources in the near future, and find ways to make sense out of all of the data. But I think the intelligent observer would see that they have no choice because this technology .. I hate that word because people call some of the most simple and dumb stuff "technology" in order to make money from it .. this technology is impossible to control, which means that precisely the most important target worth going after will have plenty of resources to foil Echelon, but the people made most vulnerable (because of the regulations) are the common folks. THAT is what is pissing me off. If they have some effective way to regulate underground trade of encryption, then they would have a story to tell. However, the fact that most encryption get out of this country so darn fast (we're counting minutes now ...) means they are not even trying. Prosecuting that guy in San Jose is just nuts. Since when does prosecuting a legitimate business man will actually stop people, who firmly believing that they have some natural right to distribute encryption? And I must emphasize that my opinion has NOTHING to do with whether encryption SHOULD, from a social/political/legal view, be exportable or not. Ern

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