December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Win the Grand Prize 10 day trip to Hawaii....Enter the drawing!
by edd＠spdy.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Receive a FREE 12-month subscription to this informative financial information newsletter. You'll receive breaking news on all companies currently profiled as well as all future profiles as soon as they arereleased. The last company profiled was up 92% in one week! You must be at least 18 years old to enter. To enter the drawing go to http://www.eopop.com/dd/guest_book.htm HOT STOCK UPDATE Prime Marketing Inc. (OTC BB-PMMI 1.25) We are hearing that the company has a major order pending with a well-known supermarket chain. Giants Stadium has just increased their weekly order by 50% for their Sicilian Crust Pizza pies. We are told that the company is getting ready to launch a national franchise chain with a unique concept in the restaurant industry. We look for the stock to trade back to the $4.50 & sp; 5.50 level. Freedom Rock Partners has been paid 50,000 shares of Prime Marketing, Inc. stock as a fee to prepare this report. 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Freedom Rock Partners has been paid 50,000 shares of Prime Marketing, Inc. stock as a fee to prepare this report. For more info please see ourdisclaimerhttp://www.eopop.com/dd/disclaimer.htm Please fill out the form to receive a 12-month free subscription to our financial information newsletter absolutely free. Go tohttp://www.eopop.com/dd/guest_book.htm NOTE: For those on the Internet who do not want to receive exciting messages such as this.....to be removed from our mailing list and our affiliate lists go to:edd@spdy.comand type remove. *We strive to comply with all state and federal laws and to send ads onlyto interested parties. *This ad is not intended for nor do we knowingly send to Washington Stateresidents. * Responding to the " return address & quot; will NOT have your name removed. [View Less]

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The "Married Lesbian Underground" (was: Re: Huffington a Fag)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jackel(a)melbpc.org.au (jackel(a)melbpc.org.au) wrote: > >In fact, this is common enough that there are several "Married > >Lesbian" discussion boards, IRC chat channels, and private mailing > >lists where women involved in this deception swap notes, and plan > >their strategy. > > I too have noted this scenario, of women leaving their husbands, > getting the money and children, then coming out. I have seen parts of > an English (UK) book for lesbians … [View More]

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No Subject
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> This has not been lost on those who battle right-wing terror. Early > next year, the FBI will launch a nationwide assessment of the threat > of domestic terrorism on and around Jan. 1, 2000. "I worry that every > day something could happen somewhere," Robert Blitzer, head of the > FBIs domestic terrorism unit, told the Los Angeles Times recently (see > interview also in this issue). > > "The odds are that something will happen." > The odds … [View More]

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FINAL REMINDER: new mix keys at notatla
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 New mix keys at notatla already in use. Old ones expire 21Dec1998. mccain mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk 49894e1cc7629bbb54a3b5f98ba6f6d6 2.0.4b41 MC - -----Begin Mix Key----- 49894e1cc7629bbb54a3b5f98ba6f6d6 258 AASe8KR46cRA75Jk4YMcE32gpS1uqAveFpRxPVg7 qATY4aPIyVM40QHa/OrHdVc8twmKMNemcdZNCpdb EDCtaVXLalJ7njbiLs8NMAEVP7WxMQP+1swjvHpR qP1ikuvy89iNpTbDtl9uf11PNeXiWclrCyFkvS6m 4cXFPskXoa4xWQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA … [View More]

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Anthrax [DoD]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.defenselink.mil/other_info/agent.html > Go to Home Page - U.S. Department of Defense U.S. DEPARTMENT OF > DEFENSE > Home Site Map Search major sections are next NEWS MULTIMEDIA > PUBLICATIONS QUESTIONS? > > Information Paper > Anthrax as a Biological Warfare Agent > * Anthrax is the preferred biological warfare agent because: > > * It is highly lethal. > > … [View More] * 100 million lethal doses per gram of anthrax material (100,000 > times deadlier than the deadliest chemical warfare agent). > * Silent, invisible killer. > * Inhalational anthrax is virtually always fatal. > > * There are low barriers to production. > > * Low cost of producing the anthrax material. > * Not high-technology. Knowledge is widely available. > * Easy to produce in large quantities. > > * It is easy to weaponize. > > * It is extremely stable. It can be stored almost indefinitely as a > dry powder. > * It can be loaded, in a freeze-dried condition, in munitions or > disseminated as an aerosol with crude sprayers. > > * Currently, we have a limited detection capability. > * What is Anthrax? > > * Anthrax is a naturally occurring disease of plant eating animals > (goats, sheep, cattle, wine, etc.) caused by the bacterium > Bacillus anthracis. > * It is an illness which has been recognized since antiquity. > Anthrax was common in essentially all areas where livestock are > raised. Intensive livestock immunization programs have greatly > reduced the occurrence of the disease among both animals and > humans in much of the world, an most outbreaks occur in areas > where immunization programs have not been implemented or have > become compromised (primarily Africa and Asia; however, outbreaks > occurred during the mid- I 990's in Haiti and the former Soviet > Union). > * Anthrax spores can remain viable for several decades under > suitable environmental conditions; thus, absence of cases does not > equate to absence of risk. > > * Humans can contract anthrax in three ways: > > * Through cuts or breaks in the skin resulting from contact with an > infected animal (cutaneous anthrax), resulting in local and > possibly systemic (bloodstream) infection. > > * From breathing anthrax spores (termed "woolsorters" disease) > resulting in an infection of the lungs (inhalational anthrax). > > * From eating infected meat, resulting in gastrointestinal infection > (gastrointestinal anthrax). Gastrointestinal anthrax is generally > not considered a threat to U.S. forces. > * What are the symptoms? > > * Symptoms of anthrax begin after a 1 to 6 day incubation period > following exposure. > > * For contact or cutaneous anthrax, itching will occur at the site > of exposure followed by the formation of a lesion. Untreated > contact anthrax has a fatality rate of 5-20 percent, but with > effective antibiotic treatment, few deaths occur. > * Initial symptoms for inhalational anthrax are generally > non-specific: low grade fever, a dry hacking cough, and weakness. > The person may briefly improve after 2 to 4 days; however within > 24 hours after this brief improvement, respiratory distress occurs > with shock and death following shortly thereafter. > > * Almost all cases of inhalational anthrax, in which treatment was > begun after patients have exhibited symptoms, have resulted in > death, regardless of post-exposure treatment. > * What is the medical countermeasure? > > * Prior to exposure, prevention through vaccination, using the > FDA-licensed vaccine. > * Otherwise, antibiotics such as penicillin, ciprofloxacin, and > doxycycline are the drugs of choice for treatment of anthrax. > * Treatment with antibiotics must begin prior to the onset of > symptoms and must include vaccination prior to discontinuing their > use. > * The use of antibiotics keep the patient alive until their body can > build an immunity to anthrax via vaccination. After symptoms > appear however, inhalational anthrax is almost always fatal, > regardless of treatment. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Updated: 10 Jun 1998 > Contact Us > Security and Privacy Notice > ____________________________________________________________________ What raises the standard of living may well diminish the quality of life. The Club of Rome The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- [View Less]

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ShootBack this Thursday (answers to questions)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:54:24 -0500 Subject: ShootBack this Thursday (answers to questions) From: mann(a)eecg.toronto.edu To: wear-hard(a)haven.org Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:48:07 -0500 (EST) Resent-From: wear-hard(a)haven.org Resent-Sender: wear-hard-request(a)haven.org several people have been asking questions about national shootback day this thursday at noon. for example a lot of people have asked why the day before christmas, for which there is an … [View More]answer, e.g. just bring a camera with you when you go christmas shopping, and try to capture the spirit of the herds of christmas shopping customers being watched from above... it was felt that a faq would help immensely, so here is the national shootback day faq: http://wearcam.org/nad-faq.htm NATIONAL ACCOUNTABILITY DAY (NAD) FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ) Q. What is NAD? A. NAD is short for National Accountability Day. To some it is a protest against those who hold us accountable but refuse to or try to avoid being accountable to us. To others, it's a fun celebration of mutual accountability. To some, it's a chance to get revenge by shooting at people who are members of an organization who's been shooting at them. To others, it's a chance to help those who have helped them, by giving them the gift of protection. It's different things to different people, but the one common element is that it involves taking pictures of people who are involved in placing us under video surveillance. Q. How can I give the gift of protection this Christmas season? A. On the entrances to their shops, their signs say ``for YOUR protection you are being videotaped''. Isn't it heartwarming to see that they are offering you so much love and compassion? In return, you must offer them the same protection. By photographing them, you will show them that you love them and care for them. Put them in your family album, and cherish their smiles for centuries. Q. Who was the inventor or originator of NAD? A. NAD is not the vision of a single individual, but, rather, it is the work of an international coalition that includes artists, scientists, engineers, and scholars. Q. When is NAD? A. December 24, 1998 Q. Why December 24th? Won't the stores be kind of crowded with last minute Christmas shoppers then? A. That's exactly the point of selecting December 24th. The meaning of Christmas has become one of consumerism. Like herds of animals we are shepherded into the shops only to be distrusted by the shopkeepers who watch over us from on high, with their omniscient surveillance network. When the sheep are greatest in number, the shopkeepers will have a more difficult time of keeping order. Moreover, it gets boring waiting in the long lineups. Why not pass away the time standing in line, by doing a little shooting. So take a camera along during your Christmas shopping and do a little camera shooting. Why was Christmas Eve chosen ? The shops will be rather busy. A. that's exactly why. 12:00 noon dec.24th will be the busiest day, and the best expression of corporate culture, and the best time to shoot. It's a human element.. crowds of people herded like cattle, overseen by the surveillance. Also the lineups will be long, so it was felt that folks could entertain themselves while waiting in line by shooting. When you get bored waiting in line, liven it up with some camerafire. Shoot when you're bored. Shoot when you're frustrated. Shoot when you're being shot!!! Q. Is NAD the same as ShootBack Day? A. Yes, NAD is also known to many as National ShootBack Day or National ShootingBack Day. (ShootBack is one word! There is no space between Shoot and Back.) Q. Isn't 12:00 noon going to happen at different times since the different parts of the nation are in different time zones? Furthermore, National Accountability Day is International. If that itself isn't an oxymoron, then at least it adds to the confusion since different coutries around the world are in much different time zones. A. That's exactly the point of doing it at noon. As high noon sweeps past various time zones, the shot heard around the world will be that of clicking cameras. This shot will travel around the world, and the shot heard around the world will be the shot seen around the world, later on when the contest submissions come in. The shot seen around the world will be seen in the nationless realm of cyberspace, hence the term ``National'' is partly in jest, for it is certainly not limited to any nation in particular. Q. How do I enter the contest? A. Send your pictures to International Photo Contest, 284 Bloor Street West, Suite 701, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M5S 3B8 All submissions become property of NAD and will not be returned. Winning entries along with a large number of the submissions will be posted to the online gallery. Q. What format should the pictures be in? A. Any developed format (print, film positive, film negative, etc.), or any file format that can be read using GNU software under Gnu Public License on a computer running the Linux operating system. Alternatively, submissions may be placed on an FTP or HTTP server and the address or URL may be submitted. Any submissions that require commercial software or commercial operating systems to read will be discarded without review. Acceptable media include slides, silver halide prints, or other standard forms of photographic prints up to 8.5 by 11 inches, computer printouts, film negatives, plates (glass plate negatives up to 8 by 10 inches), film negative strips, film positive strips, diffractive prints, 3.5 inch floppy disks, ISO 9660 CD ROMs, IDE devices, or SCSI devices. Photographic media must have been developed (e.g. no undeveloped films or forms that require chemical treatment or processing by NAD staff will be accepted). If submissions are made by URL, the image format must be universally readable from any WWW browser. Q. I have heard that NAD is a protest? Is this true? Will there be a march? A. If you prefer to think of NAD as a protest, it can certainly be explained that way. Rather than protesting by carrying signs, or by marching, citizens will protest by going on shooting sprees. Armed with their own photographic or videographic cameras and recording devices, ordinary citizens will dish out some accountability by taking pictures of people who are representatives of organizations who are taking pictures of them. Q. If NAD isn't a protest, than what is it? A. Another equally valid interpretation is that NAD is an agreement with the status quo rather than a protest against it. In this interpretation cameras are good, so let's have more of them. Pictures are good, so let's all take pictures. If a department store is such a dangerous place that cameras are needed, then so be it. What's good for the goose is good for the gangster. Everyone shoots everyone and we're all happy. ``Only criminals are afraid of cameras'', so let's give representatives of the Surveillance Superhighway a chance to define themselves by seeing if they're afraid of cameras. When we ask why we are under video surveillance, we are told by the Bigs that ``only criminals are afraid of cameras'', or we are asked ``why are you so paranoid''. Now is the time to allow the Bigs to define themselves. Q. How can I participate? A. All you need to do is bring a camera --- any camera --- to a place where video surveillance is used. Q. How will I know who I should shoot? A. Taking pictures of the surveillance cameras will cause models to appear very quickly for you to photograph. When you point your camera at their cameras, the officials watching their television monitors will very quickly dispatch the models for you to shoot. This is a universal phenomenon that happens in nearly any large organization where video surveillance is used. Models often carry two--way radios and wear navy blue uniforms with special badges. Most will be eager to pose close to your camera, especially the hand models. They will reach out and place their hands over your camera lens so you can get a closup hand shot. Q. What is the rationale behind NAD? A. We are all accountable for our actions. The Bigs keep us under surveillance, whether we're just walking down the street, shopping, or sometimes even when we're changing clothes in their fitting rooms (Phil Patton, Jan. '95, WiReD). That's why Thursday, December 24th is National Accountability Day. This is the day to arm yourself with a camera, or other photographic or videographic instrumentation, and enter various department stores, and other establishments that match the classic definition of totalitarian (e.g. establishments that wish to know everything about everyone yet reveal nothing about themselves). Q. What are some examples of totalitarian establishments? A. Examples of totalitarian establishments are those in which we are placed under extensive video surveillance, yet we are prohibited from taking pictures ourselves. The goal of National Accountability Day is to challenge this one-sided aspect of Totalitarian Surveillance. Q. What subject matter, other than pictures of the surveillance cameras and representatives of the SS should I shoot? A. Participants will also photograph or make videos of any illegal activity they happen to encounter in these totalitarian establishments. Evidence of illegal activity includes fire exits chained shut, and other forms of entrapment, forcible confinement doors, and the like, which are potential fire hazards. Q. Should I shoot alone, or be part of a firing squad. A. Going salvo is better than going solo. It is preferable that groups of citizens participate in unison, to prevent, or at least document illegal theft or vandalism of photographic equipment by the Bigs. Q. Is there a deeper philisophical underpinning to NAD, or is it just a bunch of angry people going postal? A. The camera is like Hamlet's Mirror, allowing the Bigs to define themselves within a Reflectionist context. Reflectionism holds up a mirror to society, and constructs this mirror in a symmetrical way, so that it is defined on the same terms as that which it calls into question. Q. Is there any slogan or aphorism I might use to publicize NAD? A. Shoot Authority First Question Authority Later. (Shoot first, ask questions later) Q. Is NAD a photo conntest? A. There is a photo contest associated with NAD. For entry instructions, see http://wearcam.org/nad-entry.htm -- Subcription/unsubscription/info requests: send e-mail with subject of "subscribe", "unsubscribe", or "info" to wear-hard-request(a)haven.org Wear-Hard Mailing List Archive (searchable): http://wearables.ml.org --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' [View Less]

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major phone company & y2k
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

internet company documents suggest severe problems ------- Forwarded Message Subject: Y2K Alert - 12/17/98 - Internal documents reveal telecomm truth Sent: 12/16/98 11:50 PM Received: 12/17/98 10:37 PM From: alertsend(a)y2knewswire.com To: Eddie Pons, ponski(a)soft-link.com The following is a free Y2K alert + analysis from Y2KNEWSWIRE. COM. You signed up for this. Removal / unsubscribe instructions and e-mail contacts are at the bottom of this e-mail. *Do not* … [View More]reply by hitting 'reply' in your e-mail program. To reach us, you must use one of the e-mail addresses given below. ____________________________________________________________ SECRET DOCUMENTS REVEAL Y2K TELECOMM TRUTH: A MAJOR LONG-DISTANCE COMPANY KNOWS THEY WON'T MAKE IT (But they won't admit it publicly...) Y2KNEWSWIRE recently received a collection of internal documents from an employee at one of the major long-distance companies. The documents appear to be genuine. However, to avoid copyright infringement, we cannot reprint them here. But we *can* paraphrase the documents without violating copyright law, and that's what we're going to do in this alert. We feel it is our responsibility to inform the public the truth about Y2K problems at large telecommunications companies. We are withholding the name of the company because frankly, the name does not matter. We think *all* the major telecommunications firms are in the same position. The problems described by this one are not unique. Every firm is playing the same spin game, avoiding a public admission of Y2K-guilt while privately, internally, they all know the situation is hopeless. Here's what we found in one particular document: [COMPANY] SUMMARIZES THE PROBLEM In the first part of the document, the company simply summarizes the Y2K problem. [COMPANY] ADMITS ENTIRE SYSTEMS COULD BE SHUT DOWN Mid-way through the documents, the company acknowledges that corrupt data could cause the shutdown of entire systems. They quote a study of network switch components conducted by Bellcore, describing how they were completely locked up after a simulated 2000 rollover. The company then refers to this as the, "Killer aspect" of the system. Then, the documents describe the company's ongoing efforts to solve the problem, pointing out that the deadline, "absolutely cannot slip." [COMPANY] ESTIMATES ITS EXPOSURE The company then says it has between 80 and 100 million lines of code that might be affected by the Millennium Bug. It goes on to call the bug a "virus," which is technically incorrect, but close enough for telecommunications work, apparently. Then the company describes another test of a Bellcore switch that experienced a frightening shutdown due to an expiring license date problem. The switch shut down completely. Another component apparently worked until April of 2000 (in simulation), then it, too, shut down as the daylight savings time change was attempted. [COMPANY] ADMITS THEY CAN'T MAKE IT! Then, the company's internal document claims that fixing the problem is, "too large a task" to finish in time. There simply aren't enough staff hours, according to these documents. The company then goes on to describe a strategy of triage: they'll accept failures in *some* systems in order to focus on the BIG ones. And that's the big challenge, they say: identifying the big systems and getting them remediated in time. THAT'S IT! The document then ends with a warning that all documentation is for internal use only and cannot be distributed outside the company. WHAT DOES IT MEAN? Publicly, this company is telling people they will complete all Y2K remediation on time. We now have proof this is a *con job* designed to deceive customers and investors. And we suspect this is the situation with *most* companies. Internally, when the engineers sit around the lunch table, they all know the situation is basically hopeless. There simply isn't enough time remaining. But publicly, these companies vigorously defend their positions, claiming *everything* will be finished before 2000 and using classic denial phrases like, "We're well on our way..." and, "... the vast majority of our critical systems will be done." This is exactly why 2000 is going to be the biggest shocker we've seen in a generation. It's the moment at which all Y2K lies and deceptions are revealed. The spin melts away to reality. IT'S BEEN A WHILE Americans haven't seen this for a long, long time. Deceptions are the norm these days, and "truth" and "reality" seem to be relative -- especially in politics. The people in power have actually come to believe that words equal reality. If they say it, it must be true. Y2K is the one event that cannot be persuaded. It does not listen to spin and hype. It doesn't have a "mind" to be subjected to mind games. It will simply happen -- precisely on schedule. Remember, bureaucrats are not used to operating under these circumstances. Take the stock market, for instance. Because the stock market is essentially a vehicle of faith, when Clinton says the stock market is good, it *is* good because people believe him. The words have a direct causal effect. Y2KNEWSWIRE thinks politicians have forgotten that Y2K doesn't work that way. If all spinsters on the planet gathered together and gave us their best hype, it would still have zero effect on fixing the Millennium Bug. This is the point they don't understand. Do you wonder why John Koskinen continues telling people the federal government will have absolutely no Year 2000 problems? He's in spin mode, not reality mode. And he seems to believe his spin will somehow solve the problem. That's why 2000 will be a reality-check for at least half the population. Here's a completely objective issue that cannot be swayed by politics or persuasion. It's a pre-programmed event designed into the system. It can't be bargained with or reasoned with. And it most certainly won't listen to spin. SOCIAL SECURITY LIKELY TO MAKE IT This is virtually the *only* Y2K-compliance claim we believe. Social Security is going to make the deadline, no kidding. Why is that? They've spent *a decade* (employing over 700 programmers) to fix the bug. And they'll be done in June of 1999. Aside from the programmers, over 2800 people worked on the problem. This is exactly why the claims from other agencies that started much later -- like the FAA -- are simply lacking all credibility. Do the math here: 700 programmers x 10 years = 1,750,000 person-days of work. That's fourteen million hours of work, and that doesn't even count the 2800 *non-programmers.* So Social Security has spent 14 million hours correcting this problem, according to their own statement. How many hours has the FAA spent? Frankly, we don't know. But to equal 14 million hours in just two years (because they really weren't seriously working on it until early 1998), they would need to employ 3,500 programmers working full time! WHY WASN'T SOCIAL SECURITY FINISHED IN 1991? If these projects could really be completed in two years, why wasn't Social Security done in 1991? Why did it take TEN years to complete the job? If John Koskinen is to be believed, *all* federal projects, no matter how late they started, will be done in plenty of time. And that means two years is quite enough for most agencies. Why did Social Security take ten, then? You already know the answer. Note, however, that without telecommunications or banking, Social Security's compliance doesn't matter. Read the details at: http://www.amcity.com/atlanta/stories/1998/12/14/focus5.html SURVEY REVEALS INSIDER PESSIMISM According to this San Diego Daily Transcript story (link below), the Aberdeen Group conducted a survey at November's COMDEX computer show. Here are some of the more interesting survey results: * Less than half are confident their organization's "mission critical" desktop computer applications will work in 2000 * 20% said their organizations haven't even finished the Y2K assessment stage * 53% said they were "unsure" whether their compliant systems could be effectively shielded from corruption by non-compliant systems Read more details at: http://www.sddt.com/files/library/98/12/07/tca.html U.N. TO DEPLOY Y2K SWAT TEAMS These are basically "crisis intervention teams" that would visit countries with the worst problems and try to solve them. Question: if international transportation is down, how will the SWAT teams get around? Read the details in this CNN report: http://cnn.com/TECH/computing/9812/12/y2k.un/ NEW ZEALAND COMPLIANCE PLANS NEAR COLLAPSE As this "Radio NZ" report reveals, plans to make public sector groups Y2K compliant are on the point of collapse. Read the details at: http://www.year2000.co.nz/y2krnz01.htm READER MAIL "I spoke with my bank (US Bank in Portland) and asked them about buying gold and silver coins. The bank employee looked at me and asked, "Y2K?" and I responded "Yes". She told me that I was about the 150th person this month to inquire about the conversion on assets to gold. She advised me to call the brokerage division of the bank." ________________ "At Grand Union in Smithtown, New York, I had a clerk recently ask me if we were invaded or something because so many people had packed the store for the can goods sale. At Waldbaums's in Ronkonkoma, when they put 20lb bags of rice on sale (about once a month) they FLY out the door. I saw one lady buying three." ________________ "Just a few weeks ago, diesel generators were readily available in the southern AZ area. Now there are none to be found. We are looking for one (obviously we postponed too long) and my husband remembered a large lumber/building supply store in a smaller AZ town that has always had a large supply of all kinds of generators (they service many contractors). 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SNET: [Fwd: [FP] "Anti-government groups" fighting "anti-money laundering" regulation]
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Lynford Theobald <telnet12(a)burgoyne.com> Subject: SNET: [Fwd: [FP] "Anti-government groups" fighting "anti-money laundering" regulation] Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 08:10:04 -0700 To: "snetnews(a)world.std.com" <snetnews(a)world.std.com> -> SNETNEWS Mailing List This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F27EB234AAECCD21A8C78784 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keep up the good work. Again we can make it happen … [View More]if we fight together. LT --------------F27EB234AAECCD21A8C78784 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: by bci for telnet12 (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Fri Dec 11 20:24:26 1998) X-From_: owner-scan(a)efga.org Thu Dec 10 21:46:07 1998 Return-Path: <owner-scan(a)efga.org> Received: from inferno.serversystems.net (inferno.serversystems.net [207.15.209.253]) by burgoyne.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id VAA23503 for <telnet12(a)burgoyne.com>; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:46:07 -0700 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by inferno.serversystems.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA07977 for scan-list.efga; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:34:25 -0500 Received: from alpha.airnet.net (page.airnet.net [207.120.51.2]) by inferno.serversystems.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA07974; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 22:34:23 -0500 Received: from scottmcd (207.242.81.215) by alpha.airnet.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 10 Dec 1998 21:31:48 -0600 From: "ScanThisNews" <mcdonalds(a)airnet.net> To: "ScanThisNews Recipients List" <scan(a)efga.org> Subject: [FP] "Anti-government groups" fighting "anti-money laundering" regulation Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 21:33:32 -0600 Message-ID: <000f01be24b7$08034640$d751f2cf@scottmcd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-scan(a)efga.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: owner-scan(a)efga.org X-Web-Site: http://www.efga.org/ X-Mail-List-Info: http://efga.org/about/maillist/ X-SCAN: http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint.shtml Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by burgoyne.com id IAA15087 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D SCAN THIS NEWS 12/10/98 ---------------------- New anti-money laundering rules spark big protest on bank privacy 5.26 p.m. ET (2226 GMT) December 10, 1998 By Marcy Gordon,=A0Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) =97 Federal regulators are being deluged with thousands o= f e-mail messages from citizens furious about new anti-money laundering rul= es that they view as an invasion of privacy. As a visible symbol of the federal government with a plaque in every bank branch, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. has become a magnet for consumers' anger over the proposed rules. But regulators at other federal banking agencies also reported Thursday t= hey had received many protesting e-mails, letters and telephone calls =97 som= e of them apparently instigated by anti-government groups. The ire is directed at the proposed regulations, called "Know Your Customer'' rules, that would require banks to verify their customers' identities and know where their money comes from. Banks also would have t= o determine customers' normal pattern of transactions and report any "suspicious'' transactions to law enforcement authorities. The proposal, published Monday in the Federal Register, is designed to combat money laundering techniques used by drug traffickers and other criminals to hide illegal profits. Laundering includes the use of wire transfers and bank drafts as well as "smurfing,'' the practice of breakin= g down transactions into smaller amounts that don't have to be reported und= er banking laws. The torrent of e-mail, first reported in The Wall Street Journal Thursday= , came as the 90-day public comment period opened for the proposal. It reflects growing anxiety among consumers about banks' use of personal financial data =97 a concern that prompted a top federal regulator to war= n the banking industry this spring that it needs to protect customers' privacy. Someone from Texas wrote, "I am appalled at even the suggestion of such a= n intrusion into our personal lives by the federal government.'' In another message, a Florida doctor told the regulators: "Next you'll ... be implanting (an electronic) chip in newborns at birth so they can be scanned as they walk in any banks as an adult.'' FDIC spokesman David Barr said the agency had received a staggering 2,700 e-mails and letters opposing the proposal. At least some of the angry messages appear to have been inspired by anti-government groups claiming the proposed rules are part of a federal conspiracy aimed at limiting people's constitutional rights, according to the Journal and people close to the situation. Regulators and banking industry officials, who worked together on the new rules, have taken pains to reassure consumers that their privacy would be protected under the changes. "Because of privacy concerns, it is the ... expectation that banks would obtain only that information that is necessary to comply with the rule, a= nd would limit the use of this information to that purpose,'' the Office of = the Comptroller of the Currency, which regulates nationally chartered banks, said in a statement. John Byrne, senior counsel of the American Bankers Association, said, "Jo= e Q. Citizen needs to recognize that there's nothing for him or her to worr= y about.'' comments(a)foxnews.com =A9 1998, News America Digital Publishing, Inc. d/b/a Fox News Online. -----Original Message----- From: W.G.E.N. 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SNET: NYC's top cop to outline DNA plan:
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "Mark A. Smith" <msmith01(a)flash.net> Subject: SNET: NYC's top cop to outline DNA plan: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 18:25:12 -0500 To: Maureen <myfirst(a)tricor.net>, SNET <snetnews(a)world.std.com>, L & J <liberty-and-justice(a)mailbox.by.net>, David Rydel <eagleflt(a)bignet.net> -> SNETNEWS Mailing List This From: Electric Times Union (Albany, NY), December 14, 1998 http://www.timesunion.com NYC's top cop to outline DNA plan: Proposal aims to use … [View More]sampling as a strategy against repeat offenders http://www.timesunion.com/news/story.asp?storyKey=2960&newsdate=12/14/98 By RICHARD PYLE Associated Press NEW YORK -- Police Commissioner Howard Safir is going public with his proposal for New York City police to take a DNA sampling along with the fingerprints of everyone arrested -- a proposal already drawing fire from civil libertarians. Safir planned a speech at a Bronx high school today to formally outline his plan as a strategy against repeat offenders -- especially burglars, auto thieves and other specialists in property crimes. "I'm asking myself how am I going to continue to reduce crime,'' Safir told The New York Times in an interview. Crime in New York City has dropped by 50 percent in the last five years. The murder rate alone has fallen 20 percent from a year ago and is expected to finish the year at the lowest level since the early 1960s. Under Safir's plan, the police would take a swabbing from inside the suspect's cheek, a standard method of collecting DNA, and put it into a database for future reference. DNA is the unique genetic blueprint of each person, said by legal and forensic experts to be as reliable as fingerprints and far more useful in identifying individuals responsible for certain types of crime. Safir's plan would require action by the state Legislature to expand the circumstances under which DNA samples could be taken from criminal suspects. At present, New York state allows testing of felons convicted of 21 types of violent crime, including murder, rape and manslaughter. All other states have some form of database of DNA taken from felons, and last October, the FBI set up a long-discussed national DNA database beginning with 250,000 names, linked to state-maintained databases. Only Louisiana tests every person arrested for DNA, as Safir suggests for New York City. The genetic profile technology became widely known during the O.J. Simpson trial and has been used increasingly in law enforcement, both to identify criminals and to exonerate individuals falsely accused or convicted. Norman Siegel, director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, has objected to the proposal, contending that arrest is not sufficient grounds for authorities to collect personal genetic information, and would violate the Forth Amendment safeguard against unreasonable search and seizure. Involuntary testing for DNA has been challenged legally by several members of the armed forces and a group of women on California's death row. Copyright 1998, Capital Newspapers Division of The Hearst Corporation, Albany, N.Y. --------------------------------NOTICE:------------------------------ ISPI Clips are news & opinion articles on privacy issues from all points of view; they are clipped from local, national and international newspapers, journals and magazines, etc. Inclusion as an ISPI Clip does not necessarily reflect an endorsement of the content or opinion by ISPI. In compliance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed free without profit or payment for non-profit research and educational purposes only. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ISPI Clips is a FREE e-mail service from the "Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues" (ISPI). To receive "ISPI Clips" on a regular bases (1 - 6 clips most days) send the following message "Please enter [Your Name] into the ISPI Clips list: [Your e-mail address]" to: ISPIClips(a)ama-gi.com . The Institute for the Study of Privacy Issues (ISPI) is a small contributor-funded organization based in Victoria, British Columbia (Canada). ISPI operates on a not-for-profit basis, accepts no government funding and takes a global perspective. ISPI's mandate is to conduct & promote interdisciplinary research into electronic, personal and financial privacy with a view toward helping ordinary people understand the degree of privacy they have with respect to government, industry and each other. But, none of this can be accomplished without your kind and generous financial support. If you are concerned about the erosion of your privacy in general, won't you please help us continue this important work by becoming an "ISPI Supporter" or by taking out an institute Membership? We gratefully accept all contributions: Less than $60 ISPI Supporter $60 - $99 Primary ISPI Membership (1 year) $100 - $300 Senior ISPI Membership (2 years) More than $300 Executive Council Membership (life) Your ISPI "membership" contribution entitles you to receive "The ISPI Privacy Reporter" (our bi-monthly 12 page hard-copy newsletter in multi-contributor format) for the duration of your membership. For a contribution form with postal instructions please send the following message "ISPI Contribution Form" to ISPI4Privacy(a)ama-gi.com . We maintain a strict privacy policy. Any information you divulge to ISPI is kept in strict confidence. It will not be sold, lent or given away to any third party. -> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo(a)world.std.com -> Posted by: "Mark A. Smith" <msmith01(a)flash.net> [View Less]

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Biological warfare by proxy
by Frederick Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The destruction of the al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum, Sudan, has left that country with little reserve of a medicine to fight malaria. The factory, which was thought to manufacture chemical warfare agents, was destroyed by US cruise missiles. The factory produced half of Sudan's medicines, leaving no supplies of chloroquine, the standard treatment for malaria. By destroying the means to make medicine to treat malaria, endemic to Sudan, the US has essentially engaged in biological … [View More]

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Prepping for Y2K armageddon so far has caused our taskforce little more trouble than post-its on each device showing an ode to Mercury for getting the lead out in time to lope upstairs shedding clothes for the bacchanale planned to celebrate the end of computer oversight of our infrapasture. We urge ourselves: good riddance to everything overmanaged by the matrixed interdependent skeins of networks and switches and redundancies and dev nulls and robot backups, time to get back in touch … [View More]

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FW: PRIVACY Forum Digest V07 #21(excerpt)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Snip from the latest Privacy Forum Digest on commercial filtering software for enterprises, encryption and "criminal skills". cheers, C.G. -- A Navigo Farmer > -----Original Message----- > From: privacy(a)vortex.com [SMTP:privacy@vortex.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 1998 4:58 PM > To: PRIVACY-Forum-List(a)vortex.com > Subject: PRIVACY Forum Digest V07 #21 > > PRIVACY Forum Digest Sunday, 20 December 1998 Volume 07 : Issue > 21 > [...] > > … [View More]Date: Wed, 16 Dec 98 12:25 PST > From: lauren(a)vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein; PRIVACY Forum Moderator) > Subject: Privacy Discussions Classified as a "Criminal Skill" > > Greetings. Is discussing privacy in the PRIVACY Forum a criminal skill? > According to one widely used commercial web filtering tool, the answer was > yes! The controversy over software to block access to particular sites, > based on perceived content, has been continuing to rage. Attempts to > mandate the use of such software in environments such as libraries and > schools have raised a variety of serious concerns. In addition to fairly > straightforward freedom of speech issues, another factor revolves around > how accurate (or inaccurate) these filtering systems really are. > > I've now seen firsthand that errors by a filtering system can indeed be > quite > serious, an event that seems to certainly validate some of these concerns. > But there is something of a silver lining to the story, as we'll see > later. > > I recently was contacted by someone at a large corporation, who was trying > to reach the PRIVACY Forum web site, which is constantly being referenced > by > individuals and commercial, educational, government, and other sites > around > the world. This person was upset since whenever they attempted to reach > the http://www.vortex.com site and domain that hosts the PRIVACY Forum, > their web software blocked them, informing them that the block was in > place > due to the site being categorized as containing "criminal skills." > > As the webmaster for the vortex.com domain, this certainly came as news to > me. The message they received didn't give additional information--they > didn't even know exactly where it came from. It was apparent though, that > the entire organization was probably blocked from reaching the PRIVACY > Forum, since the filtering software in question was affecting a main > firewall system. > > After a number of phone calls and discussions with the system > administrator > for that organization, the details began to emerge. The company was > running > a filtering software package from Secure Computing Corporation of San > Jose, > California. This package received weekly updates of blocked sites in a > wide > variety of categories, one of which was "criminal skills." > > The administrator had no idea what rationale was used for these decisions, > they just pulled in the list each week and applied it. He immediately > placed > vortex.com on a local exception list so that it would no longer be blocked > to > their users. > > I then turned my attention to Secure Computing. After a number of calls, > I > found myself speaking with Ken Montgomery, director of corporate > communications for that firm. He confirmed the information I had already > received. The filtering product in question ("SmartFilter") was > apparently > not being marketed to individuals, rather, it was sold to institutions, > corporations, etc. to enforce filtering policies across entire entities. > The product covers a wide range of information categories that users of > the > software can choose to block. He said that the majority of blocked sites > were in categories involving pornography, where there was (in his opinion) > no question of their not belonging there. > > The "criminal skills" category reportedly was broadly defined to cover > information that might be "of use" to criminals (e.g. how to build bombs). > He had no explanation as to why my domain had been placed in that list, > since by no stretch could any materials that are or have ever been > there fall into such a categorization. He did discover that the > classification of my domain had occurred over a year ago (meaning > other sites could have been receiving similar blocking messages for > that period of time when trying to access the PRIVACY Forum) and > that the parties who had made the original classification were no longer > with their firm--so there was no way to ask them for their rationale. > (All of their classifications are apparently made by people, not > by an automated system.) > > However, it seems likely that the mere mentioning of encryption may have > been enough to trigger the classification. The administrator at the > organization that had originally contacted me about the blocked access, > told > me that the main reason they included the "criminal skills" category in > their site blocking list was to try prevent their users from downloading > "unapproved" encryption software. This was a type of information that he > believed to be included under the Secure Computing "criminal skills" > category (the "logic" being, obviously, that since criminals can use > encryption to further their efforts, encryption is a criminal skill). He > also admitted that he knew that their users could still easily obtain > whatever encryption software they wanted anyway, but he had to enforce the > company policy to include that category in their blocking list. > > As PRIVACY Forum readers may know, no encryption software is or ever has > been distributed from here. The topic of encryption issues does certainly > come up from time to time, as would be expected. For the mere *mention* > of > encryption in a discussion forum to trigger such a negative categorization > would seem to suggest the fallacy of blindly trusting such classification > efforts. > > Mr. Montgomery of Secure Computing initially suggested that it was up to > their customers to decide which categories they wanted to use in their own > blocking lists--he also stated that as a company they were opposed to > mandatory filtering regulations. I suggested that such determinations by > their customers were meaningless if the quality of the entries in those > categories could not be trusted and if errors of this severity could so > easily be made. I felt that this was particularly true of a category with > an obviously derogatory nature such as "criminal skills"--the > ramifications > of being incorrectly placed into such a category, and then to not even > *know* about it for an extended period of time, could be extreme and very > serious. > > To their credit, my argument apparently triggered a serious discussion > within Secure Computing about these issues. I had numerous subsequent > e-mail and some additional phone contacts with Mr. Montgomery and others > in their firm concerning these matters. First off, they apologized > for the miscategorization of vortex.com, and removed it from the > "criminal skills" category (it was apparently never listed in any > other of their categories). > > Secondly, they have agreed with my concerns about the dangers of such > miscategorizations occurring without any mechanism being present for sites > to learn of such problems or having a way to deal with them. So, they > will > shortly be announcing a web-based method for sites to interrogate the > Secure > Computing database to determine which categories (if any) they've been > listed under, and will provide a means for sites to complain if they feel > that they have been misclassified. They've also suggested that their hope > is to provide a rapid turnaround on consideration of such complaints. > > While by no means perfect, this is a step forward. I would prefer a more > active notification system, where sites would be notified directly when > categorizations are made. This would avoid their having to > check to see whether or not they've been listed, and needing to keep > checking back to watch for any changes or new categorizations. If more > filtering software companies adopt the Secure Computing approach, there > would be a lot of checking for sites to do if they wanted to stay on > top of these matters. Secure Computing feels that such notifications are > not practical at this time. However, their move to provide some > accountability to their filtering classifications is certainly preferable > to > the filtering systems which continue to provide no such facilities and > operate in a completely closed environment. > > So, we make a little progress. The PRIVACY Forum and vortex.com are no > longer miscategorized and have been removed from all Secure Computing > block > lists. Secure Computing was polite and responsive in their > communications with me, and will establish the system discussed above in > reaction to my concerns. Web filtering of course remains a highly > controversial topic with many serious negative aspects, but we see that > when > it comes to dealing with the complex issues involved, it would be a > mistake > to assume that all such filters all created equal. > > --Lauren-- > Lauren Weinstein > Moderator, PRIVACY Forum > http://www.vortex.com > [...] > [View Less]

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New PGP key for Lucky Green
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Folks, I am about to revoke my old DSS key ID 0xB663B0FD for administrative reasons. My new DSS key is attached. The new DSS key is signed with both my old DSS key and my ancient RSA key. If you signed my keys in the past, please sign the new one. Please discontinue use of my old DSS key. Thanks, - --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2 iQCVAwUBNn24CwSQkem38rwFAQE81AP/SA/AVTvMyWettjxaVOMvSdkSOzZITGPv … [View More]

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NSA Org Chart
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Defense Information and Electronics Report we offer NSA's organizational chart, which was obtained by DI&ER under the FOIA: http://jya.com/nsa-chart.htm

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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SURVEY SHOWS COUNTIES ARE BEHIND ON Y2K FIX
by DOOM Anonymous Untraceable User 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A survey by the National Association of Counties shows that one-third of the nation's counties aren't even aware of the Y2K problem -- and about 75% of the 119 counties with populations below 10,000 haven't developed a plan for updating their computer systems to deal with the millennial data change. Total Y2K spending among counties is expected to reach $1.7 billion, according to the association. (Information Week 14 Dec 98) #!/usr/local/bin/perl -0777-- -export-a-crypto-system-sig -RC4-3-… [View More]

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repost(?): Why i am not truly pseudonymous yet (was: Re: keyword scanning and countering writing style analysis)
by Zooko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks: I tried to send this message to the cypherpunks in April 1998. I suspect that this, and many other messages that i sent, never reached the cypherpunks list. If any of you remember reading this, or have a copy of it in your archives, please let me know. Regards, Zooko ------- Forwarded Message Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:06:44 +0200 (MET DST) From: Zooko Journeyman <zooko(a)xs4all.nl> To: zooko(a)xs4all.nl Newsgroups: list.cypherpunks Subject: Why i am not truly … [View More]pseudonymous yet (was: Re: keyword scanning and countering writing style analysis) References: <199803252037.UAA06168(a)server.eternity.org> Adam: I think that the state of the art on this is probably close to the boundaries of the science of machine learning. I recently saw a presentation by a researcher from Bell Labs. His machine learning system, which is being patented, had success rates better than competing systems (including better than a hand-scripted system!) at identifying into which categories a phone call or letter to AT&T fell: "Billing", "Subscription", "Complaint", "Delay", "Installation", etc. Presumably the NSA has similar systems with all of our favorite keywords. (Toto: insert funny jokes here.) Anyway, if _i_ were forced to bet on it, i would say that such systems are not yet good enough to reduce the cost of matching nyms to "insignificant", but that such systems probably _will_ be that good before too long (and our old articles will still be useful as data then...). Now the question about counter-measures, i don't know. (There is a trade-off between safety and expressiveness here. We could all buy a copy of AltaVista's translator software and language databases, and then run our missives through a couple of pidgin foreign languages before posting them. [Toto: insert funny joke about JYA here.]) <sigh> I think this issue is growing in importance. I currently use a very weak nym, which anyone with a little skill should be able to crack [Toto: bonus points if you _privately_ send e-mail to one of my eunymous accounts]. I'm starting to think that this is the worst of both worlds, as potentially malicious sorts are not significantly slowed down, while potentially beneficient people are kept a bit more distant from me and are thus less likely to be of use to me. (e.g., people who know me as Zooko wouldn't notice if "Anna Rosenbaum" (my real name) were to disappear one night, and vice versa.) By the way, the reason for my failure should be instructive: my nym is so crackable not because of any technical detail having to do with remailers or encryption-- it is that i foolishly posted articles containing both nyms in the distant past, and those articles are now a permanent part of the The Net instead of decaying and disappearing like articles from even earlier years did. Another issue for me is the onerous cost of starting a fresh nym. The benefits (true pseudonymity) are uncertain (the bad guys' techniques might crack my best effort using current technology (especially because of textual analysis as per the original topic of this message)), and the costs are that i lose the advantages of concentration of reputation into a single nym. (I've already observed this, a little, with my current set of weak nyms. Adding a strong one would only exaccerbate my woes.) A final problem i have with true pseudonymity is that i _like_ meeting people in Real Life, and not only to fight or fuck them. Okay, this has been long and rambling, but i hope useful to some of you. One more point before i go: There are two ideas of pseudonymity that i have considered. In one, you are truly the only person who knows that the nym maps to your body. This has obvious advantages, and obvious disadvantages. In the other (which is basically what "Zooko" is and was intended to be), there is a large, ill-defined group of people who also know of the mapping. This has its advantages too-- social advantages (which are very important!), but the disadvantage is that it is trivially cracked by a mole. [In fact, i think i recall that about the time "Zooko" appeared on the scene one "Adam Back" sent me e-mail saying, "Hey-- you write a lot like Anna Rosenbaum did... Are you her?".] [So if anyone wants to do me a favor, look about in your archives and dissociate "Zooko" with "Anna". Thanks! It might actually do me some good in the long run, although not, of course, against the likes of the NSA. Perhaps against others.] Regards, Zooko P.S. For an Nth reason that i don't have a strong pseudonym, i never bothered to learn how to use a remailer front-end. Now with Xemacs 20 and Mozilla out, i could probably handle it... P.P.S. Today i found the 3rd person, including myself, who has used the name "Zooko" on the net. .----, | mailto:zooko@xs4all.nl . / | http://www.xs4all.nl/~zooko/public.html . / | "Any technology which is distinguishable +____. | from magic is insufficiently advanced." ------- End of Forwarded Message [View Less]

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I76wQeB9zDPUp2NfsZqfInyfQ1A4ojlu
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Forwarded mail....
by Richard.Bragg＠ssa.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Comrades, comrades, please. What makes "The Revolution" so powerful is the way it transends such petty consideration as "National Boundaries". When our day comes there will be no treachery as there will be no "THEM" to be treasonous to. We will be in total control. There will be complete freedom of speech as long as it doesn't cover topics not suitable for public discorse (these will be desided as we need to). Anyone can use encryption, as strong as they like. Of course the only computers … [View More]will be centrally controlled and plain text backups will be maintained for your peace of mind. We will do all that tedious backing up for you. Anyone can own and carry any firearm. Ammunition will naturally be rationed. We don't want the wealthy, bourgious <sp> to gain an advantage over the brothers and sisters in the masses. Be patient comrades, our day will come. Missouri FreeNet Administration <measl(a)mfn.org> on 19/12/98 05:41:51 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com cc: (bcc: Richard Bragg/UK/SSA_EUROPE) Subject: Forwarded mail.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- ::Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 05:21:34 +0100 ::From: Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> ::To: sysadmin(a)mfn.org ::You should be expecting a visit from the boys in the suits very soon. ::Have fun. I hope your cellmate is a big guy they call "The Bull." ::Traitorous scum. ---------- Message Ends ---------- What I *really* love about these "patriots" is how they are not _afraid_ to stand by their words! Awwww, c'mon! You're on the "Side Of Right(tm)", so why hide? You afraid I'm gonna piss on your white picket fence? Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org -- If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- [View Less]

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Re: Anthrax Theatre
by Albert P. Franco, II 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: Eric Cordian <emc(a)wire.insync.net> > >Now we have the latest incarnation of adjusting sheeple motivational >inperatives, Anthrax Theatre. Genuine Anthrax not required, of >course. Yes children, see what happens because of Saddam Hussein? >There'll be a test later, to see if further attitudinal adjustment is >required. > And if that doesn't work we all know that the MIB wouldn't hesitate to unleash a real "small scale" release just to prove that the … [View More]

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hi
by fjd8＠giulietta.logikos.it 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Do you know what the number one fact is, that will determine whether your business is a success or not? ADVERTISING! Effective conventional advertising is quite expensive. So what do you do? Direct email is one of, if not thee most effective method of advertising in the 90's. You can get your ad out to hundreds of thousands, even millions, for only a fraction of the cost of traditional advertising. The wave of future advertising is here, don't miss it We will send your advert for you. … [View More]

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ACLU: Bombing in Iraq Violates Constitution and War Powers Act FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Thursday, December 17, 1998 WASHINGTON -- The American Civil Liberties Union said today that the bombing of Iraq ordered by President Clinton violates the Constitution and the War Powers Act because it was not authorized by Congress. Congress adopted the War Powers Act in 1973 to ensure that U.S. troops are not sent into hostilities without Congressional authorization, except in cases where a national … [View More]emergency is created by attack upon the United States. "Launching a massive, sustained military assault is an action that no one person in our democracy -- including the President -- can authorize," said ACLU Legislative Counsel Gregory T. Nojeim, adding that the ACLU takes no position on the use in force in Iraq. "It is a power that the framers contemplated would be shared by Congress and the President," Nojeim added, noting that Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 of the Constitution grants to Congress "the power to declare war [and] grant letters of marque and reprisal." Under the Constitution, Congress is given the ultimate decision as to whether to use force; the President's power is limited to decisions on how to use the military after Congress has authorized the President to act. Section 2(c) of the War Powers Act states that the President has constitutional authority to "introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, ... only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by an attack upon the United States. ..." "A debate and vote on the use of force is especially important here, since many members of Congress have publicly expressed reservations about the timing of the attack, and Congressional resolutions have been introduced about the use of force in Iraq," Nojeim said. One of those resolutions expressed the sense of Congress that the United States should not take military action against Iraq unless that action was first authorized by Congress. That resolution, H. Con. Res. 226, was introduced in February 1998, gathered 108 co-sponsors, but was never voted on by the full House. The ACLU said that the resolution that was adopted by the House today, H. Res. 612, does not meet the requirements of the War Powers Act, and that the Iraq Liberation Act, which was adopted by Congress and signed by the President in October, did not authorize the use of U.S. forces in Iraq. "A debate would help ensure that all viewpoints on this important issue are considered," Nojeim said, "and a vote ensures that such an important decision has been endorsed by the people through their representatives in Congress." [View Less]

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Ministry of Information announces the following: In order to ensure domestic tranquility and the maximum protection of human rights by reducing crimes against humanity, be it enacted that - There shall be no whispering in public; you should have nothing to hide unless you are a criminal - You may not walk or gather in groups of two or more; such gathering is an indication that you may be conspiring to commit some illegal act - You may not have locks on your house; you should have … [View More]

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No Subject
by D.STARR 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sounds to me like they want to create chaos where none exists or is likely to exist! "Defence officials called for "aggressive and preventive actions" now to reduce the Year 2000 risk to a more manageable level. The military will have about 32,000 of its personnel dedicated to Operation Abacus, with thousands more available if needed." darkstarr cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com wrote: > LOCAL > Saturday 12 December 1998 > > 'Martial law' rushed for Y2K chaos … [View More]

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bugs and gas
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>>This is not how anthrax spreads. Communicability between humans is nearly >>>nonexistent. This is basically an advertizement for anthrax: http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/Anthrax/anth.htm#medically An index of CBW sites: http://www.cbiac.apgea.army.mil/ Chemical defense: http://chemdef.apgea.army.mil/fm8-9/part_iii/index.htm

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Good archive of AES algorithms?
by jim finder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is there a good archive of all the algorithms submitted for AES? I'd be interested especially in one that also had info on what's been broken so far, plus implementations and performance numbers. I can't find all this info on any one site, but I can't believe that one doesn't exist. Thanks! Jim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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export controlled fermenters
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.acda.gov/factshee/wmd/bw/auslist.htm LIST OF DUAL-USE BIOLOGICAL EQUIPMENT FOR EXPORT CONTROL 1. Complete containment facilities at P3, P4 containment level Complete containment facilities that meet the criteria for P3 or P4 (BL3, BL4, L3, L4) containment as specified in the WHO Laboratory Biosafety manual (Geneva, 1983) are subject to export control. 2. Fermenters* Fermenters capable of cultivation of pathogenic micro-organisms, viruses or for toxin production, without the … [View More]propagation of aerosols, and having all the following characteristics: (a) capacity equal to or greater than 100 litres; *Sub-groups of fermenters include bioreactors, chemostats and continuous-flow systems. 3. Centrifugal Separators* Centrifugal separators capable of the contiuous separation of pathogenic micro-organisms, without the propagation of aerosols, and having all the following characteristics: (a) flow rate greater than 100 litres per hour; (b) components of polished stainless steel or titanium; (c) double or multiple sealing joints within the steam containment area; (d) capable of in-situ steam sterilization in a closed state. *Centrifugal separators include decanters. 4. Cross-flow Filtration Equipment Cross-flow filtration equipment capable of continuous separation of pathogenic microorganisms, viruses, toxins and cell cultures without the propagation of aerosols, having all the following characteristics: (a) equal to or greater than 5 square metres; (b) capable of in-situ sterilization. 5. Freeze-drying Equipment Steam sterilizable freeze-drying equipment with a condensor capacity greater than 50 kgs of ice in 24 hours and less than 1000 kgs of ice in 24 hours. 6. Equipment that incorporates or is contained in P3 or P4 (BL3, BL4, L3, L4) containment housing, as follows: (a) Independently ventilated protective full or half suits; (b) Class III biological safety cabinets or isolators with similar performance standards. 7. Aerosol inhalation chambers Chambers designed for aerosol challenge testing with microorganisms, viruses or toxins and having a capacity of 1 cubic metre or greater. The experts propose that the following item be included in awareness raising guidelines to industry: 1. Equipment for the micro-encapsulation of live micro-organisms and toxins in the range of 1-10 um particle size, specifically: (a) Interfacial polycondensors; (b) Phase separators. 2. Fermenters of less than 100 litre capacity with special emphasis on aggregate orders or designs for use in combined systems. 3. Conventional or turbulent air-flow clean-air rooms and self-contained fan-HEPA filter units that may be used for P3 or P4 (BL3, BL4, L3, L4) containment facilities. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- AUSTRALIA GROUP LIST OF BIOLOGICAL AGENTS FOR EXPORT CONTROL CORE LIST1 Viruses V1. Chikungunya virus V2. Congo-Crimean haemorrhagic fever virus V3. Dengue fever virus V4. Eastern equine encephalitis virus V5. Ebola virus V6. Hantaan virus V7. Junin virus V8. Lassa fever virus V9. Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus V10. Machupo virus V11. Marburg virus V12. Monkey pox virus V13. Rift Valley fever virus V14. Tick-borne encephalitis virus (Russian Spring-Summer encephalitis virus) V15. Variola virus V16. Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus V17. Western equine encephalitis virus V18. White pox V19. Yellow fever virus V20. Japanese encephalitis virus Rickettsiae R1. Coxiella burnetii R2. Bartonella Quintana (Rochalimea quintana, Rickettsia quintana) R3. Rickettsia prowasecki R4. Rickettsia rickettsii Bacteria B1. Bacillus anthracis B2. Brucella abortus B3. Brucella melitensis B4. Brucella suis B5. Chlamydia psittaci B6. Clostridium Botulinum B7. Francisella tularensis B8. Burkholderia mallei (pseudomonas mallei) B9. Burkholderia pseudomallei (pseudomonas pseudomallei) B10. Salmonella typhi B11. Shigella dysenteriae B12. Vibrio cholerae B13. Yersinia pestis Genetically Modified Micro-organisms G1. Genetically modified micro-organisms or genetic elements that contain nucleic acid sequences associated with pathogenicity and are derived from organisms in the core list. G2. Genetically modified micro-organisms or genetic elements that contain nucleic acid sequences coding for any of the toxins in the core list, or their subunits. Toxins as follow and subunits thereof:2 T1. Botulinum toxins T2. Clostridium perfringens toxins T3. Conotoxin T4. Ricin T5. Saxitoxin T6. Shiga toxin T7. Staphylococcus aureaus toxins T8. Tetrodotoxin T9. Verotoxin T10. Microcystin (Cyanginosin) T11. Alflatoxins __________________ 1. Except where the agent is in the form of a vaccine. 2. Excluding immunotoxins. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- WARNING LIST1 Viruses WV1. Kyasanur Forest virus WV2. Louping ill virus WV3. Murray Valley encephalitis virus WV4. Omsk haemorrhagic fever virus WV5. Oropouche virus WV6. Powassan virus WV7. Rocio virus WV8. St. Louis encephalitis virus Bacteria WB1. Clostridium perfringens* WB2. Clostridium tetani* WB3. Enterohaemorrhagic Escherichia coli, serotype 0157 and other verotoxin producing serotypes WB4. Legionella pneumophila WB5. Yersinia pseudotuberculosis Genetically Modified Micro-organisms WG1. Genetically modified micro-organisms or genetic elements that contain nucleic acid sequences associated with pathogenicity and are derived from organisms in the warning list. WG2. Genetically modified micro-organisms or genetic elements that contain nucleic acid sequences coding for any of the toxins in the warning list, or their subunits. Toxins as follow and subunits thereof:2 WT1. Abrin WT2. Cholera toxin WT3. Tetanus toxin WT4. Trichothecene mycotoxins WT5. Modeccin WT6. Volkensin WT7. Viscum Album Lectin 1 (Viscumin) __________________ *The Australia Group recognizes that these organisms are ubiquitous, but, as they have been acquired in the past as part of biological weapons programs, they are worthy of special caution. 1. Except where the agent is in the form of a vaccine. 2. Excluding immunotoxins. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- AUSTRALIA GROUP LIST OF ANIMAL PATHOGENS FOR EXPORT CONTROL1 Viruses AV1. African swine fever virus AV2. Avian influenza virus2 AV3. Bluetongue virus AV4. Foot and mouth disease virus AV5. Goat pox virus AV6. Herpes virus (Aujeszky's disease) AV7. Hog cholera virus (synonym: Swine fever virus) AV8. Lyssa virus AV9. Newcastle disease virus AV10. Peste des petits ruminants virus AV11. Porcine enterovirus type 9 (synonym: swine vesicular disease virus) AV12. Rinderpest virus AV13. Sheep pox virus AV14. Teschen disease virus AV15. Vesicular stomatitis virus _____________________ 1. Except where the agent is in the form of a vaccine. 2. This includes only those Avian influenza viruses of high pathogenicity as defined in EC Directive 92/401EC: "Type A viruses with an IVPI (intravenous pathogenicity index) in 6 week old chickens of greater than 1.2, or Type A viruses HS or H7 subtype for which nucleotide sequencing has demonstrated multiple basic amino acids at the cleavage site of haemegglutinin." Bacteria AB3. Mycoplasma mycoides Genetically-modified Micro-organisms AG1. Genetically modified micro-organisms or genetic elements that contain nucleic acid sequences associated with pathogenicity and are derived from organisms in the list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- AUSTRALIA GROUP CONTROL LIST OF PLANT PATHOGENS FOR EXPORT CONTROL CORE LIST Baceria PB1. Xanthomonas albilineans PB2. Xanthomonas campestris pv. citri Fungi PF1. Colletotrichum coffeanum var. virulans (Colletotrichum Kanawae) PF2. Cochliobolus miyabeanus (Helminthosporium oryzae) PF3. Microcyclus ulei (syn. Dothidella ulei) PF4. Puccinia graminis (syn. Puccinia graminis f. sp. tritici) PF5. Puccinia striiformis (syn. Pucciniaglumarum) PF6. Pyricularia grisea/Pyricularia oryzae Genetically-modified Micro-organisms PG1. Genetically-modified micro-organisms or genetic elements that contain nucleic acid sequences associated with pathogenicity derived from the plant pathogens identified on the export control list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ITEMS FOR INCLUSION IN AWARENESS RAISING GUIDELINES Bacteria PWB1. Xanthomonas campestris pv. oryzae PWB2. Xylella fastidiosa Fungi PWF1. Deuterophoma tracheiphila (syn. Phoma tracheiphila) PWF2. Monilia rorei (syn. Moniliophthora rorei) Viruses PWV1 Banana bunchy top virus Genetically-modified Micro-organisms PWG1 Genetically-modified micro-organisms or genetic elements that contain nucleic acid sequences associated with pathogenicity derived from the plant pathogens identified on the awareness raising list. [View Less]

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Re:
by Richard.Bragg＠ssa.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In addition: You shall inform your local party representative (lpr) of all journeys to be made and the purpose thereof. Only the guilty will wish to conceal their movements. You shall also inform your lpr on any deviation from the registered journey. The innocent have nothing to hide. You shall share all personal information about yourself including bank access codes and all passwords. You do trust The Party don't you? Failure to comply with any regulation shall incure a with-holding of … [View More]

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Friedman (The Younger) Sings...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wherein David Friedman teaches cryptoanarchy 101 to the folks at the Cato Institute. A RealAudio transcription from the Cato/Forbes ASAP conference on cryptography held earlier this year. Listen to this. It's important. Even if you know what he's gonna say already, it's a very good thing to have heard so you can point newbies to it. Cheers, RAH --- begin forwarded text To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: up your alley Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:11:39 -0500 From: Somebody Have you listened … [View More]

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Hayek Quote of the Week - Rule of Law
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:17:05 EST Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Sender: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> From: Hayek-L List Host <HayekList(a)AOL.COM> Subject: Hayek Quote of the Week - Rule of Law To: HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU Hayek Quote of the Week "It is often not recognized that general and equal laws provide the most effective protection … [View More]against infringement of individual liberty, this is due mainly to the habit of tacitly exempting the state and its agents from them and of assuming that the government has the power to grant exemptions to individuals. The ideal of the rule of law requires that the state either enforce the law upon others -- and that this be its only monopoly -- or act under the same law and therefore be limited in the same manner as the private person. It is this fact that all rules apply equally to all, including those who govern, which makes it improbable that any oppressive rules will be adopted. It would be humanly impossible to separate effectively the laying-down of new general rules and their application to particular cases unless these functions were performed by different persons or bodies. This part of the doctrine of the separation of powers23 [fn23. See W. S. Holdsworth's review of the 9th edition of A. V. Dicey, _Constitution_, in the _Law Quarterly Review_, Vol. LV (1939), which contains one of the latest authoritative statements in England of the tradition conception of the rule of law. It deserves quotation at length, but we will reproduce only one paragraph here: 'The rule of law is as valuable a principle today as it has ever been. For it means that the Courts can see to it that the powers of officials, and official bodies of persons entrusted with government, are not exceeded and are not abused, and the rights of citizens are determined in accordance with the law enacted and unenacted. Insofar as the jurisdiction of the Courts is ousted, and officials or official bodies of persons are given a purely administrative discrection, the rule of law is abrogated. It is not abrogated if these officials or official bodies are given a judicial or quasi-judicial discretion, although the machinery through which the rule is applied is not that of the Courts.'] must therefore be regarded as an intergral part of the rule of law. Rules must not be made with particular cases in mind, nor must particular cases be decided in light of anything but the general rule -- though this rule may not yet have been explicityly formulated and therefore have to be discovered. This requires independent judges who are not concerned with the temporary ends of government ,,, " Friedrich Hayek, _The Constitution of Liberty_, Chicago: U. of Chicago. 1960. pp. 21-211. Hayek Quote of the Week is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' [View Less]

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Felices Fiestas
by vdomingo＠medialabs.es 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Con mis mejores deseos de Felicidad y Prosperidad para el Año Nuevo. Víctor Domingo. Archivo Adjunto idea de mi amigo Antonio Montorio (http://villanos.net) _____________________ MediaLabs SuperMailer 2.5 http:\\www.medialabs.es\supermailer

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SNET: A Little Humor
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: BStokes45(a)aol.com Subject: SNET: A Little Humor Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 18:21:38 EST To: johnsonlm(a)prodigy.net, dstokes(a)wt.net, skeptichat(a)lists.sonic.net, wethepeople(a)onelist.com, NOEL123(a)juno.com, SNETNEWS(a)world.std.com, Roxrfun2me(a)aol.com -> SNETNEWS Mailing List Congress' Night Before Christmas "Twas the week before Christmas and those sly little elves, Our congressmen, labored to better themselves. They cared not a whit what the public might think "Let them … [View More]eat cake," some said with a wink. And putting their thumbs to the tip of their nose, they waved as they shouted "Anything goes!" They scoffed at the thought that we might object, to a tax cut for the wealthy of a posh percent. They've got prerequisites-franking, per diem, and more -- bargain-priced haircuts and gyms (three or four!) Paid speaking engagements and meals on the cuff, celebrity status -- (they've sure got it tough!), Yet they claim they're in touch with the man on the street, as John Q. Public struggles to make both ends meet. If all workers decided what they were due, they'd be getting those fat paychecks too! But while we take cutbacks or raises quite small, and one out of 20 has no job at all, our millionaire Congress decides on the budget land trimming Medicare and Medicaid will do it, they say. In this season for giving, our Congress is taking. We've had it with them and our backs are breaking. With hard times, disasters, and layoffs on our dockets, we bit the bullet and they fill their pockets! Oh jobless, oh homeless, oh desperate and needy - dare anyone say our Congress is greedy? If in this feeling I'm not alone, take up your pen or pick up your phone. As dry leaves before the wild hurricane fly, let the road of your anger mount to the sky. Indignant, outraged, appalled and beset let your congressman know that you won't forget! When election times comes -- and certain it will -- you're voting him out for passing that bill. More rapid than eagles, their elections assured they toasted each other and laughed at the herd. And I heard them exclaim with adjournment at hand, "Merry Christmas to us, and the public be damned! The Audit =========== A man, called to testify at the IRS, asked his accountant for advice on what to wear. "Wear your shabbiest clothing. Let him think you are a pauper," the accountant replied. Then he asked his lawyer the same question, but got the opposite advice. "Do not let them intimidate you. Wear your most elegant suit and tie." Confused, the man went to his Rabbi, told him of the conflicting advice, and requested some resolution of the dilemma. "Let me tell you a story," replied the Rabbi. "A woman, about to be married, asked her mother what to wear on her wedding night. 'Wear a heavy, long, flannel nightgown that goes right up to your neck.' But when she asked her best friend, she got conflicting advice. Wear your most sexy negligee, with a V neck right down to your navel." The man protested: "What does all this have to do with my problem with the IRS?" "No matter what you wear, you are going to get screwed." Does anyone find it strange that we can find humor in the truth? -> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo(a)world.std.com -> Posted by: BStokes45(a)aol.com [View Less]

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SNET: [Fwd: [FP] Biometric National ID Card Now A Reality]
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Lynford Theobald <telnet12(a)burgoyne.com> Subject: SNET: [Fwd: [FP] Biometric National ID Card Now A Reality] Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:51:19 -0700 To: "snetnews(a)world.std.com" <snetnews(a)world.std.com> -> SNETNEWS Mailing List This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------408C3A349997A1C52693F214 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is more on the same. LT --------------408C3A349997A1C52693F214 Content-… [View More]Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: by bci for telnet12 (with Cubic Circle's cucipop (v1.21 1997/08/10) Sun Dec 13 20:32:27 1998) X-From_: owner-scan(a)efga.org Sun Dec 13 19:03:49 1998 Return-Path: <owner-scan(a)efga.org> Received: from inferno.serversystems.net (inferno.serversystems.net [207.15.209.253]) by burgoyne.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with ESMTP id TAA04271 for <telnet12(a)burgoyne.com>; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:03:48 -0700 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by inferno.serversystems.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA00009 for scan-list.efga; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:14:22 -0500 Received: from alpha.airnet.net (page.airnet.net [207.120.51.2]) by inferno.serversystems.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA00006; Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:14:18 -0500 Received: from scottmcd (209.64.77.41) by alpha.airnet.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 13 Dec 1998 19:11:29 -0600 From: "ScanThisNews" <mcdonalds(a)airnet.net> To: "ScanThisNews Recipients List" <scan(a)efga.org> Subject: [FP] Biometric National ID Card Now A Reality Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:13:18 -0600 Message-ID: <000501be26fe$f051e480$294d40d1@scottmcd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-scan(a)efga.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: owner-scan(a)efga.org X-Web-Site: http://www.efga.org/ X-Mail-List-Info: http://efga.org/about/maillist/ X-SCAN: http://www.networkusa.org/fingerprint.shtml ====================================================================== SCAN THIS NEWS 12/13/98 [forwarded from Larry Becraft] THE BIOMETRIC NATIONAL ID CARD IS NOW A REALITY... By Jon Christian Ryter Author of WHATEVER HAPPENED TO AMERICA? and THE BAFFLED CHRISTIAN'S HANDBOOK America was rightfully alarmed in late September when Representatives Bob Barr (R-GA) and Ron Paul (TX) revealed the fact that somehow, unbeknown to anyone, and for some as yet unexplained reason, the National ID Card that Hillary Clinton, Marc Tucker and Ira Magaziner had adroitly concealed in the failed Health Security Act of 1994 had somehow "accidentally" been passed, in a somewhat illegal and unconstitutional fashion, and was now "the law of the land." Pictured (see link below) is the actual "Healthcare Passport" card currently being used in three American cities. Displayed is the front and back of that card. This photo was scanned from the brochure used by the National Institute of Health to introduce the new card in a seminar in Denver earlier this year. The word "passport" on the card had to have been a tongue-in-cheek addition, since it is the precursor of the internal passport that will ultimately control your ability to move freely throughout this great land. The card is biometric. Stored on this card is the complete medical history of the card's owner. Also stored on the card is every conceivable piece of information about that person. Imbedded in the card is a tracking devise. The plan to create and implement a National ID Card, while first made "public" in a private White House meeting on Nov. 11, 1993 and discussed in a disavowed protocol that detailed the dialogue of that meeting, is not uniquely a Clintonoid idea even though the National ID Card first appears innocuously concealed in the Health Security Act as a "healthcare benefits card" that the First Lady insisted had to be carried by every American--even if they refused to be covered by the plan--under penalty of law. The same card, in the form of a national driver's license, had just been mandated by the European Union for all of the new European States. A brief battle waged in Europe over the national driver's license. Most Europeans had experienced national identity cards in the past and realized quickly the new universal European driver's license was an internal passport that would give their new government the tool they needed to control their lives. The media immediately labeled those who resisted the EU driver's license as "globalphobes" who were against progress, and wanted to return Europe to the days of the cold war. They were the extremists. In the United States, the Clinton's knew a National ID Card spelled problems, regardless what name was put on it. However, as a healthcare card that provided each American with thousands of dollars of free medical care, they correctly surmised that the ramblings of the right wing zealots could be easily dismissed by the mainstream liberal media. The media did its job well. The Health Security Act was the best thing since sliced bread and peanut butter. According to the media, the Health Security Act would provide healthcare for the millions upon millions of uninsured Americans. The media even obliged by ignoring the obviously flawed cost assessments as well. Hillary demanded that Congress pass the Health Security Act without and changes--reminiscent of FDR's passing the "emergency legislation" that kicked off the New Deal without allowing members of Congress to even see the legislation they were voting on--and unconstitutionally granting Roosevelt almost dictatorial power over the United States. Congress wasn't buying. They read the Health Security Act. Then, they rejected it. It was, they declared, the most expensive social experiment in the world. Buried in the National Archives, in the working papers of the Hillary Clinton healthcare plan, was a game plan in the event the Health Security Act went down in flaming defeat. The game plan? Implement another healthcare act that provided healthcare for children. No one would dare deny healthcare to children. To introduce the plan, they called on Teddy Kennedy. Kennedy failed. Kennedy, they realized, was trusted by most Americans even less than the Clintons. Next they turned to Orrin Hatch, who teamed up with Kennedy and rammed the legislation through Congress. Healthcare for kids. Of course, everyone was in favor of it. Voting against it was a good way to lose an election. And, once the law was codified, the bureaucracy possessed the authority to simply expand it to include anyone and everyone. What was not in the legislation was funding to create a biometric health care card. The authority to do it was there, but not the money. For the money, the Clinton administration turned to the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. The foundation, created by the founder of Johnson & Johnson, obliged and funded the experimental program which was kicked off in three western cities (noted above). What was introduced to members of the National Institute of Health in Denver as a card that will record the inoculation records of children, includes everything from DNA typing to that individual's medical, psychiatric and financial history. It was because the biometric card would also contain the psychiatric history of the cardholder that an employee of the National Institute of Health approached me and offered me the data that is contained in this report. In my initial meeting with the NIH employee, I was also told that this person had commented to a NIH executive that it was not good for the card to contain so much personal information that was not needed to monitor the rates of inoculation of the children covered by the program, since it would provide the government information that could easily be misused. At that point the NIH executive laughed and said: "What do you think we have do with the data we get from Medicare and Medicaid? We've been using it for years to apprehend and deport illegal aliens and to capture those wanted by the law." In the case of the Health Passport, which is the precursor of the National Driver's License that will go into affect nationwide on October 1, 2000, however, the is one added feature--it contains a tracking chip. At a recent National Institute of Health seminar, an NIH executive proudly displayed an electronic map created by the NIH computer technicians that pinpointed every Health Passport card holder in Denver, Colorado. It was a "living map" that would track each Health Passport card holder if and when they moved. Whether or not such a map had been created for the other two "pilot" cities is not known. NOTE: Before I left Washington this afternoon, I spoke for about a half hour with Stan Johnson of the Prophecy Club, and emailed Stan a copy of the Heath Passport Card. Stan has additional information on this subject, particularly with respect to a new computer mainframe that the government recently installed in Denver that ties in with the information I have been receiving from my own source in the National Institute of Health. Apparently this is the planned topic for the Prophecy Club's radio talk show next Monday (and because it is, I will not reveal any of the revelations that Stan shared with me on the phone this afternoon. I would strongly urge you to visit Stan's website for additional information. http://www.prophecyclub.com/ --------------------------------------------- http://www.westgov.org/hpp/hpp-web.htm HEALTH PASSPORT A Project of the Western Governors' Association - Frequently Asked Questions - Introduction to the Health Passport Project What is the Health Passport Project? The Health Passport Project is a three-city demonstration that uses what is called a "smart card" to put important health-related information at the fingertips of mothers and their children. People participating in the demonstration are those eligible for care under public health programs. The Health Passport Project is the largest health-care demonstration in the United States for smart cards and will be conducted over two years in the cities of Bismarck, North Dakota; Cheyenne, Wyoming; and Reno, Nevada. The project will demonstrate how people can use these electronic cards to give up-to-date information to their health-care providers, including physicians, nurses, nutritionists and early childhood educators. Food Retailers Grocers who handle thousands of checks for nutrition benefits will find the new system involves less paperwork, results in quicker check-out, and provides more timely reimbursement. The Health Passport works like a bank card at the check-out counter. Benefits are automatically downloaded to the client's card at the retailer. Distribution of WIC benefits will be demonstrated in Reno and Cheyenne. More About the Demonstrations Which public health programs are participating? --- Bismarck, North Dakota The Family Doctors, Bismarck Burleigh Nursing, WIC, Head Start, Immunizations, Medicaid, the Optimal Pregnancy Outcome Program, and Maternal and Child Health Bertie Bishop (701) 255-3397 --- Cheyenne, Wyoming Cheyenne Children's Clinic, the University of Wyoming Family Practice Residency Center, Laramie County Public Health Nursing, Medicaid, WIC, Head Start, Maternal and Child Health, and Immunizations Terry Williams (307) 777-6008 --- Reno, Nevada WIC, Immunizations, and Head Start Marty Brown (702) 883-6992 ------------------------------------------------- http://www.westgov.org/hpp/ http://www.westgov.org/wga/publicat/hppsum.htm Health Passport Information Technology: Toward a Health Card for the West "Congress is considering the most sweeping changes to the delivery of social services since the New Deal. In this environment, the Health Passport presents an innovative tool to help ensure the continued delivery of critical services to low income women and children--even as government sponsored programs are consolidated or eliminated. While devolution of authority to the states is expected to reduce duplicative federal administrative structures, the debate in Washington has done little to provide practical solutions. The Health Passport offers a tool to help achieve these administrative savings empowering citizens and preserving the integrity of services." ======================================================================= Don't believe anything you read on the Net unless: 1) you can confirm it with another source, and/or 2) it is consistent with what you already know to be true. ======================================================================= Reply to: <fingerprint(a)networkusa.org> ======================================================================= To subscribe to the free Scan This News newsletter, send a message to <majordomo(a)efga.org> and type "subscribe scan" in the BODY. Or, to be removed type "unsubscribe scan" in the message BODY. For additional instructions see www.efga.org/about/maillist.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Scan This News" is Sponsored by S.C.A.N. 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politically correct bomb graffiti
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

..way too amusing.. Pentagon Decries U.S. Bomb Graffiti Tuesday, December 22, 1998; 1:24 a.m. EST WASHINGTON (AP) -- Defense Department officials said Monday they were distressed about ``thoughtless graffiti'' referring to the Islamic holy month of Ramadan on a Navy bomb being prepared for dropping on Iraq. The Associated Press last Saturday transmitted a photograph of a 2,000-pound laser-guided bomb on the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise in the Persian Gulf waiting to be loaded on F-14 … [View More]

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by ABDULRAZAQ＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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dbts: Georecursive Auctions (was Re: Friedman (The Younger)Sings...)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 4:01 PM -0500 on 12/21/98, Somebody wrote: > > If it's on my hard drive, it ain't yours anymore, in other > > words. > > What are the assumptions? Assuming that you were given what is on your hard > drive, or can you have procured it by any means, like piracy, theft, etc. :-). I'm going to do a real rant on this, someday Real Soon Now, and you can see the germ of the idea in Freidman's talk, and in my old Shipwright rants <… [View More]http://www.shipwright.com/>, and also, I think, on the Philodox site <http://www.philodox.com/>. More to the point, we all, as far as I can tell, stole it from Eric Hughes, who even went so far as to present a paper on the subject, long ago at a DEFCON far away. Who knows where *he* got it from, but that's enough geneology for the time being... The point I'm making above comes from Ronald Coase, the father of modern microeconomics, winner of Nobel for same, circa 1992?. The most important thing that Coase said, the thing which got him the Nobel, was that firm size was directly related to transaction cost. In an information economy, especially in a world of Moore's law (yielding increasingly geodesic networks, and the markets overlaid on them) and strong cryptography (digital bearer transactions, perfect pseudonymity, etc.), tranaction costs get *very* small indeed, and in a considerable hurry. To some, I believe clueless :-), people, the above means that we still get economies of scale, because the first copy of a given modern bloatware application, like Word for Windows, is enormously expensive compared to its replication cost, which is functionally free by comparison, even if you put a box around it, much less if you just put it up for download from the web. However, *I* say that if you can do profitable transactions in, say, the micropenny range, you get a world where the bloated, industrially-delivered code-in-boxes that we've all come to know and love starts to surfact, under its own weight, into smaller and smaller functional bits, each maintained by different, and much smaller, firms. I use open source software as my case in point. Notice that, since the cost of code itself is free, there is a huge, and expanding, diversity of very specialized code out there now. The writers of that code don't make any money on that code except by proxy, through enhanced reputation, and so forth. However, if you could drive the cost of *transactions* down, people *would* write code just for the money, and simply auction it off their websites to the highest bidder, and could do so, profitably, for rediculously cheap prices. More about that in a minute. Sure, Red Hat grosses $20 million, but that's more a function of the cost-domination of sneaker-netted CDROM over the still-scrawny lower capillaries of the internet. More to the point, I claim, it's the result of the cost of *credit-cards*, even *checks*, as a way to pay for code. Book-entry settlement, in other words, which is done "out of band", over private, hierarchical, and proprietary financial transaction networks. If it were possible to pay to download code, as you needed it, for instantaneously net-settled *cash*, and for sufficiently small enough bits of money, then the need, the price-economy, if you will, for large glops of code would go away. And, Coase's theorem says (I think) so too would the large firms required to generate those large glops of code. So, what we're left with is a world where the legalities of intellectual property are physically impossible to enforce, thus words like "privacy" cease to have any real meaning. If you can't enforce such an intellectual "property" law, it's kind of hard to call it a law, as most law professors and philosophers of law will tell you. Ironically, I claim, that's a very strong form of a *second* observation that Ronald Coase made, that you can't have markets without private property. Sounds like a motherhood, now, but he was the first person to articulate that clearly, back in the early part of this century, and it's one of the reasons he got the Nobel, of course. *My* variant on Coase says that you don't need *laws* to ensure private property in digital form. Cryptography will do just fine. Like I said, if it's encrypted, and it's on my hard drive, it's now *mine* no matter where I got it, laws or not. I mean, who's to know I have it to begin with, and, more to the point, who's going to take it away without my permission, especially in a world of encrypted offsite net.backups, m-of-n archival reconstruction, etc. Write software, not laws, to quote the my old cypherpunk chestnut. Yet, I claim, to finally answer your point :-), people who *make* new code in such abrave new world, *still* make the most money. No, not "publish", or even distribute new code, like Microsoft and Ingram do, but the actual guy plinking away in CodeWarrior, or whatever. The mind behind the code, the developer, let's call him, in a proper use of the now mostly corrupted word. Here's how. You write software for a living. You upgrade your existing code base, and you announce its availablity to the net. Everyone who has your code knows how good your work is, and they probably have a standing bid in to buy revs of it at some specific price, anyway. So, just like the specialist's book at the New York Stock Exchange, you, or your website's CGI, accepts those bids, highest to lowest, and, as new bids come in, you sort them into the queue of outstanding orders, by price, of course, :-), and accept them in that order. Notice something important, but obvious, here. The people who bid the highest get the first copy. We'll worry about Vickery variations on that auction some other time. Secondly, there's the fun part, the *recursive* part of "geodesic recursive" or neologically, and, this very afternoon, "georecursive", auctions. That is, if I paid a monster pile for the first copy, I must have such a profitable need for it that it's worth it to me to pay that much. Of course, one of the most profitable things I can do especially in a world where the net isn't quite geodesic enough yet, and Freidman hints at this in his Cato talk, is to *flip* that code. Frankly, this is nothing really now. It's done identically the same way that large institutions flip IP0's in the market for a hot stock, or, more properly, a recording company or software "publisher" puts "talent" under contract and remarkets their output in classical vertically-integrated, and I say, now-industrial, markets for those goods. So, back to the future, I pay through the nose to get to the first copy of your code, because I have an orderbook of my *own* to fill, and, more properly, I have sufficient bandwidth and processing power of my own to remarket it. Even more fun, someone *else* can buy from me, and resell what I sell them, *recursively*, ad infinitum, and, frankly I don't really *care* what they do with what I sold them, because I've already bought low and sold high. I claim, even with all this rampant "piracy", and, especially as the network gets more geodesic -- a process which these markets would probably *accellerate* by the way think what would happen if you could sell bandwidth this way -- the person who collects the most economic "rent" would be *you*, the originator of the new code. Just like a rock star, if the code was popular enough, but without the recording company. Well, actually, with lots of very *little* record *distributors*, all taking a haircut, and, rarely would any of them make anything near like what you made selling the first copies. I mean, new information always costs more than old information, right? And, of course, you, as a developer, will always have the *newest* information of all... Finally, it even behoves huge companies who control large blocks of intellectual property, record companies, and Microsoft, for instance, :-), to compete in this new kind of market, precisely *because* the the transaction costs are so low and the initial profit margins are correspondingly higher. It's *profitable* to play in this market, even when you're losing market share, paradoxically, to smaller players. Think of what happened to large movie studios in the 1960's and '70's, and how they were replaced, in the *production* of movies, by director-owned, mostly ad-hoc, "virtual" production companies, like Coppola's Zoetrope, or Speilburg's Amblin, or Lucasfilm/ILM. Even the new "studios", like Dreamworks/SKG are really director-run enterprizes (Spielburg and Geffen, remember?). The "directors", the "auteurs" of software, are pretty much the guys who write the code, yes? Everything else is just transaction cost. Cheers, Robert Hettinga -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.5 iQEVAwUBNn7OucUCGwxmWcHhAQFidwf+MZ8SLZffWvH7g+QMY6Q2Q3P4flVkEVpr keXiF7cXXKlv/zL48wX1fjan93MMwN65b9/o7aIe1Wvq1nQfFE1AhPaShYZwciz9 NpInA2+9Mrz30cU4Nj775gXHfCaFl68tUmKd8GwUBI4rwjrHKgFy5hFSWlxNQSFF yQ8idMnmC7fSIELZJOurejYM90nA4z9QZZibekVuP+u3e6ogkclCS8m3e3QznpWY yCTYHqFFc5JHHEHc4PCOALWei74/rTRVvaziEU3QQCvytXgsZu2j0OLkpukc4zqb eJD/+Zkc3d1pfTqxaR4tLatr+QXVEuxozwz3nyoo3mzfd0LbKdBdnA== =kKXa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' [View Less]

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

i got a mail message delivered by the friendly old postal service, from Toto. he says he has been elected Santa Calus (aka Santa Loco) of Yucca South CellBlock, at FCI-Tuscon but 'Santa is in The Hole (TM).' he is or at least was sharing a cell with a skinhead called 'reaper.' but reaper has 'great reading material' - such as GQ magaazine - so it's 'not as grim as it might seem.' he says he has come down with a skin condition that is still untreated by the prison authorities. his toto-… [View More]

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Amazing New Virus from NAI!!!
by remailer＠rugratz.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Network Associates has just announced an NT virus which spreads over LAN/WANs. Fortunately, there is a solution. To speak to an NAI customer service representative, please call 800 338-8754. * Written in "C", an initial estimates is that it took NAI programmers 200 or more man-hours to write. Fortunately, there is a solution. To speak to an NAI customer service representative, please call 800 338-8754. Remember, there's a FREE Solution for Licensed NAI Corporate Customers Or If you … [View More]

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Re: Good archive of AES algorithms?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Is there a good archive of all the algorithms submitted for > AES? I'd be interested especially in one that also had > info on what's been broken so far, plus implementations and > performance numbers. I can't find all this info on any one > site, but I can't believe that one doesn't exist. The home page for the AES is http://www.nist.gov/aes/ There is a page with current attack/break information at: http://www.ii.uib.no/~larsr/aes.html. Bruce Schneier et al have done … [View More]

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Anonymous nym ratings
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back writes: > Probably a good rule of thumb is never to sign anything and always > post via a mixmaster chain. Good idea! > Some messages don't need a persistent nym > even. Perhaps one could construct a zero knowledge proof of nym > reputation rating without identityfing the nym which might be useful > for filtering without linkability. This could be done via some of the recent work on group signatures. Efficient methods have been developed to show that a message is … [View More]

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Re: Anthrax Theatre
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Friday's debut of "Anthrax Theatre" was such an critically aclaimed success, that another performance was given today, to an audience ten times the size. ----- LOS ANGELES (AP) -- A telephoned anthrax threat forced as many as 1,500 people to be quarantined for several hours on Monday at two courthouses before it was found to be a hoax. A man called the 911 emergency line at about 11 a.m. and stated ``I have something to tell you -- anthrax has been released in the Van Nuys courthouse,'' … [View More]

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Re: joy of export, h/ware
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>> What type of attack was used in the famous test? Known plaintext? It >>> gets a bit tougher in the real world doesn't it? >> >> Not really. Michael Motyka <mmotyka(a)lsil.com> skribis: > Even if you don't know what you're looking for? Help me out with that > one. The question was "in the real world": in this case, as opposed to artificial challenges, you often (or normally) do have access to known or chosen plaintext. This can involve expected … [View More]

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Citibank in drug cash probe GAO report slams bank for secretly moving millions in alleged drug money December 4, 1998: 10:56 a.m. ET http://cnnfn.com/worldbiz/9812/04/citibank/ Citigroup's Dimon resigns - Nov. 02, 1998 Citibank Buys Into Microsoft-Supported E-Billing Venture - Sep. 14, 1998 General Accounting Office Citibank NEW YORK (CNNfn) - Citibank secretly transferred up to $100 million in alleged drug money for the brother of the former Mexican president and … [View More]violated its own internal controls on money laundering, the General Accounting Office said Friday. The GAO charged in a report that the second-largest U.S. bank facilitated "a money-managing system that disguised the origin, destination and beneficial owner of the funds." The report, entitled "Raul Salinas, Citibank and Alleged Money Laundering," could lead to congressional hearings against Citibank in the new year. Salinas is the eldest brother of Carlos Salinas de Gortari, who served as Mexican president between 1988 and 1994. There have been repeated rumors that Salinas was linked to drug lords. But according to the report, Citibank's private banking unit asked Salinas few questions when approached by him in 1992. As a mid-level government employee, Salinas earned less than $200,00 a year. But between 1992 and 1994 he moved more than $90 million through Citibank accounts. Checks worth millions of dollars were taken by hand to Citibank Mexico by Salinas' wife Paulina. The money then was moved to Switzerland through a complex series of international transactions. Starting in mid-1992, the GAO said, "Citibank actions assisted Mr. Salinas with these transfers and effectively disguised the funds' source and destination, thus breaking the funds' paper trail." Citibank has its own "know-your-customer" procedures, which it failed to follow in the Salinas case, the GAO said. It was only after Salinas was charged with murder in 1995 that Citibank investigated the source of funds. Even then, according to a bank representative, "Citibank New York's Mexican division believed that all of Mr. Salinas' funds had been obtained legally, with a large portion resulting from the sale of a construction company he owned," the report states. "However, Citibank reportedly knew no details about the construction company, including its name, who had purchased it, or the amount of money generated by its sale." GAO investigators also criticize the bank for establishing a Cayman Islands trust to disguise the source and destination of Salinas' money. Salinas has denied any wrongdoing, saying that the money came from Mexican industrialists who wanted him to establish an investment fund. Citibank said in a statement the report "contains gross errors of fact and interpretation" and "ignores recent progress in strengthened law and industry procedures which Citibank strongly supports in keeping with our commitment to combat money laundering, to comply with the letter and spirit of related laws and to continually strengthen our procedures everywhere we operate." Spokesman Dick Howe added, "We have looked into the matter ourselves and have found that neither the company nor any employee has violated the law. We're cooperating fully with law enforcement authorities." The GAO said it was unable to determine whether Citibank broke U.S. money laundering laws. But the Justice Department also is investigating the company's actions. No law specifically requires banks to know their customers, but money laundering -- concealing the source of funds obtained from illegal activity including drug sales -- is illegal. Salinas is in prison, being tried for murder. Citibank is now part of Citigroup (C) following its merger with Travelers. [View Less]

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Re: Streams, Voice, and Sensitive Dependence
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> It is my understanding that the PGP algorithm is primarily intended > as a block cypher. Therefore, wouldn't an Outer Block stream cypher > be more effective for phone conversations? Both solutions require > hardware for a practical (tolerably noiseless) implementation, so > there's nothing to be gained by streaming data into a block format. > Unless you have a really fast ( 1 Mbit / s? ) data connection you're going to want to do some voice compression. The algorithms I'… [View More]

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RE: Wassenaar Statement
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: "Phillip Hallam-Baker" <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> To: "Robert Hettinga" <rah(a)shipwright.com>, <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> Subject: RE: Wassenaar Statement Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:02:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal We have seen this type of press release before. Uncle Sam goes off to a conference and returns to state that the rest of the … [View More]world has committed to its position - only to find out later that the rest of the world did not. Anyone remembe the time the crypto Tzar went off to the European Association (a non binding talking shop) and got a similar 'undertaking'. It is more likely that the Wassenaar statement reflects what went on at the meeting. But even then most countries in Europe have a democratic process in which decisions are made by elected representatives and not by beaureacrats at closed treaty negotiations. Just as the munitions acts under which the ITAR crypto regulations are purported to be made clearly do not provide the executive with the powers claimed, neither do most of the European enabling acts for COCOM. Nor in a parliamentary system is it quite so easy for the executive to perform Zimmerman type persecutions. If the same tactics had been used in the UK the Home secretary would have faced political consequences for the failure of the prosecution. The Matrix Churchill affair played a significant part in the collapse of the Major government in the UK. I doubt Straw would be keen on a repeat. The UK DTI proposals requiring GAK as a condition of CA licensing may appear to meet the Freeh objectives but since there is no proposal to make licensing a requirement of doing business the result is most likely to be nobody becomes a 'licensed CA'. There is a legitimate business need for key recovery but nobody offering those services is going to want access to the customer's private keys. Doing so would be akin to keeping triffids as pets. It is not necessary to keep actual private keys to achieve the objective of controlling access to the private keys. Phill --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' [View Less]

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Re: FC: So far, I think Mr. Aarons' Wassenaar statement is disinformation
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:19:58 -0500 (EST) From: Peter F Cassidy <pcassidy(a)world.std.com> To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Cc: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: FC: So far, I think Mr. Aarons' Wassenaar statement is disinformation Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Peter F Cassidy <pcassidy(a)world.std.com> Friends, In e-mail exchanges with EC ministers and government ministers in W. European … [View More]nations that I have had about Aarons one thing is consistent. All seemed to be shocked and dismayed at his ability to report out facts to the press in the US and to the Clinton Administration that have little to do with actual events. It would not surprise any of them if Aarons' unilaterally declared a 33 nation crypto-control agreement that was based entirely on his baroque misunderstanding of the facts. PFC On Fri, 4 Dec 1998, Robert Hettinga wrote: > > --- begin forwarded text > > > X-Sender: declan(a)mail.well.com > Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:29:29 -0500 > To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu > From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> > Subject: FC: So far, I think Mr. Aarons' Wassenaar statement is > disinformation > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Sender: owner-politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu > Reply-To: declan(a)well.com > X-Loop: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu > X-URL: Politech is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ > > [John is basing his analysis below on what's been posted on the Wassenaar > site so far, and these kinds of documents aren't always put online > immediately. That said, if Ambassador Aaron is talking about the online > documents and John's analysis is correct, the Clinton administration is > going beyond mere spin: it is trying to deliberately deceive. --Declan] > > ********* > > Subject: So far, I think Mr. Aarons' Wassenaar statement is disinformation > > Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 10:55:00 -0800 > From: John Gilmore <gnu(a)toad.com> > > I have not found a single confirmation of the Aarons statement that > the 33 Wassenaar countries have agreed to change the exemption for > mass market crypto software. (The NY Times and Reuters stories both > quote Ambassador Aarons.) > > This lack of confirmation includes the Wassenaar Arrangement statement > itself, which merely says: > > The amendments to the lists included elimination of coverage of > commonly available civil telecommunications equipment as well > as the modernisation of encryption controls to keep pace with > developing technology and electronic commerce, while also being > mindful of security interests. > > http://www.wassenaar.org/docs/press_4.html > > The Wassenaar Arrangement works by consensus; any member can block the > adoption of any item merely by voting against it. The policy Aarons > announced is directly contradictory to the recently reaffirmed > government policies of Finland and Ireland. In addition, Canada and > Germany have recently stated strong pro-crypto positions (while > waffling on the particular issue of the treatment of PD and MM > software). > > The Wassenaar Arrangement also states: > > This arrangement will not be directed against > any state or group of states and will not impede > bona fide civil transactions. > > To the extent that there is any attempt in the Agreement to control > mass market or public domain crypto software, such a provision > would clearly contradict this limitation written into the Arrangement. > The Arrangement is for military goods -- not for civilian goods. > PGP and other civilian crypto tools are not military by any stretch > of the imagination. It's hard to imagine that all 33 countries would > ignore this obvious problem, especially when it was pointed out to them > by concerted lobbying over the last several months. > > I also note that none of the statements are clear about exactly what > is affected. PGP, SSH, SSLEAY, Linux IPSEC, and many other crypto > tools are "public domain" rather than "mass market" software. The > General Software Note (originally from COCOM, and adopted bodily by > Wassenaar when it was formed) exempted both "public domain" and "mass > market" software from all controls. > > Finally, a companion paper released from Wassenaar yesterday shows a > clear concern by the body for human rights and fundamental freedoms: > http://www.wassenaar.org/docs/criteria.html: > > e. Is there a clearly identifiable risk that the weapons might > be used for the violation and suppression of human rights and > fundamental freedoms? > > (In this case if the the Aarons statement was true, Wassenaar itself > would be used for the violation and suppression of human rights and > fundamental freedoms. It's hard to see that the delegates would also > ignore this and vote to suppress human rights and freedoms.) > > So, I see two major probabilities here: > > * Either Aarons is lying, to see how much trouble this stirs up. > This would be taking a page from FBI Director Freeh, who > announced FBI support for domestic controls on crypto last year, > and was then disavowed by the Administration when a ruckus > resulted. > > * Or the NSA has cut a deal with these countries. Then the > question is: what did NSA offer in return? The usual trade > has been access to the flow of wiretaps (as in the UKUSA > agreement that gives Britain, NZ, Australia, and Canada access > to Echelon -- look who the strongest supporters of the US position > are). Another alternative is that they used wiretaps to > blackmail senior politicians in the recalcitrant countries. > (It happened in the US by J. Edgar Hoover for many years.) > > Do either of you have any info that would tend to confirm or deny > one of these theories? > > EFF and the GILC members are checking with various governments to > start to flesh out what *actually* happened. > > I should also note that developments like this are rather expectable. > Every time crypto policies get decided in a closed-door meeting where > the US government is invited, they get worse. Whenever crypto > policies are set in open meetings where the public and the press are > able to watch -- or even, god forbid, participate -- they get better. > The OECD meetings of a few years ago were intended to be the first, > but citizens and journalists swarmed the meeting site, buttonholed > delegates as they entered and left, and turned it into the second. We > should've done the same with this Wassenaar meeting. > > US civil libertarians are prying crypto policy decisions into the > light of day via the courts and the Freedom of Information Act. > Classified NSA/FBI testimony to Congress is getting declassified, and > then its obvious lies are easily rebutted by the public. > > The natural response of a bureacracy that is more concerned with its > own power to wiretap, than with making the right decisions for its > citizens, is to move its crypto maneuvering overseas into "diplomatic > meetings", held under cover of diplomatic secrecy, where they can lie > and twist arms with impunity. > > John > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology > To subscribe: send a message to majordomo(a)vorlon.mit.edu with this text: > subscribe politech > More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- end forwarded text > > > ----------------- > Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> > Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> > 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA > "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, > [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to > experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' > > For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to > "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". > For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' [View Less]

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PGP Disk
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone had the chance to try out the new McAfee PGP disk? It seems pretty straightforward, allowing for the creation of encrypted "drives" using the CAST algorithm. Is anyone aware of any security flaws with it?

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Re: y2k/gary north delusions (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 20:22:18 -0500 > From: Michal Hohensee <mah248(a)nyu.edu> > Subject: Re: y2k/gary north delusions > You cannot sustain a modern city without a working sewer system. > Remember what cities were like in the middle ages? I believe some > historians refer to them as "population sinks" for the surrounding > countryside. Not for a lack of wealth or commerce, but for a lack of > sanitation. Paris and London had populations … [View More]

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Re: y2k/gary north delusions (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: y2k/gary north delusions > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 17:40:59 -0600 (CST) > From: ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) > Well... The answer is that there is much less washing needed for > survival than it is needed for day to day civilized American life. True, you don't have to water your grass and wash your car. > For instance, I change my shirts every day. If shit hits the fan, > you can wear a shirt for two weeks. Similar story is … [View More]

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