December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

MISTY1 and MISTY2
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

MISTY1 and MISTY2 operate with 64-bitplain text and cypher text blocks and is contolled by a 128-bit key. These two encryption algorithms call MISTY generically.

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Re: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-18 22:53:53 EST, anon(a)anon.efga.org writes: << I count on TruthMonger as -my- mainstream news source.>> Who's that, the "TruthMeister? (Rush Limbaugh)" You would, you're an idiot (any person who counts on any one person as the only source of news, is an idiot). Stan

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-18 23:54:33 EST, spectre(a)anthrax.net writes: << ... Any decent ups will put the incoming power through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming power, and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get through. ... >> BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the initial spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming power lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late. My suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you anticipate a need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of black-out (and screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your power supply to do that for you.) Stan

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JDesignerPro 2.5 just released
by Tristan Muller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Data Fellows Introduces the Security Solution for Corporate Networks - VPN+
by Mia Westerholm 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Data Fellows Ltd. Media Release For immediate release 19 March 1998 DATA FELLOWS INTRODUCES THE SECURITY SOLUTION FOR CORPORATE NETWORKS F-Secure VPN+ offers worldwide strong security for all aspects of todays networking ESPOO, FINLAND -- Data Fellows Ltd., a leading software development company known for its F-Secure anti-virus and cryptography products, has today introduced F-Secure VPN+, a complete security solution for all enterprise networking. F-Secure VPN+ is the successor of the award winning F-Secure VPN, an encrypting router that enables one to build a virtual private network over the Internet using strong cryptographic security. Now the F-Secure VPN+ product family is going one step further by facilitating the security integration of small sites and independent workstations to the corporate network. The extended corporate network may include corporate sites, partners or distributors, remote offices and even laptops. F-Secure VPN+ consists of three products: F-Secure VPN+ Gateway, F-Secure VPN+ Client (for the desktop), and F-Secure VPN+ Server. These components can be combined to build a variety of secure virtual private networks that cover all aspects of corporate networking. Such VPNs include the following: - Business VPN+: provides a cost-effective security solution for intranet connections between corporate sites. In-corporate communication can be encrypted with powerful F-Secure VPN+ Gateways regardless of the network technology. - Partner VPN+: offers strong authentication and filtering capabilities for extranet connections between an organization and its partners, subcontractors, or distributors. It keeps unwanted users out and facilitates secure communication no matter where the data goes to. - Remote Office VPN+: supports telecommuting as a method of working. It is a scaleable and cost-effective solution for securing communication over the Internet for the Small Office and the Home Office. - Traveling VPN+: secures the extension of the corporate network to employees on the road. Typical remote networking applications, such as email, or accessing corporate file servers, can be secured transparently. - Service VPN+: is suitable for organizations offering systems management services. It ensures that only the authorized systems manager can access the remote system and that administration data cannot be seen or tampered with by unauthorized outsiders. Service VPN also provides Internet Service Providers with the opportunity to find new sources of revenue by offering VPN based services, or hybrid customer networks with VPN links. Its powerful management features help the operator in maintaining the customer network. "Small and medium sized organizations don't need to wait any more," Mr. Jukka Kotovirta, Director of Sales from Data Fellows. 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F-Secure VPN+ Client will initially operate in Solaris, Windows NT 4 and Windows95. The products use the SSH and IPSec security protocols. About Data Fellows: Data Fellows is one of the worlds leading developers of data security products with offices in San Jose, California and Espoo, Finland. Its groundbreaking F-Secure product family is a unique combination of globally available, strong encryption and revolutionary anti-virus software. The integrated F-Secure product range provides a complete security solution for enterprises, and includes file encryption and IPSec communication encryption products, VPN gateways, SSH based secure remote management software, and a full range of anti-virus products to workstations, servers and gateways. Data Fellows is also the developer of the award winning F-PROT Professional anti-virus, now part of the dual scanning engine concept of F-Secure Anti-Virus. Data Fellows is privately owned. 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US court system
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Guys When Sandia assigned me to break locks for the FBI/Engineering Research Facility, project leader Peter Hamilton told me that if we got caught there were judges who would help us. I was not sure that I believe Hamilton then. I do now. Morales and I signed and mailed the petition for writ of prohibition on the 18th bill

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Re: Your Request for information on JDesignerPro from BulletProof, Corp
by Soft Export- Nancy Matte' 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Cypher Your inquiry to BulletProof, Corp about JDesignerPro was forwarded to us on Thursday, March 19, 1998. Soft/Export is celebrating the latest release of JDesignerPro V2.32- the Java Client-Server interface builder. With the ability to import any Java class JDesignerPro now becomes the best RAD tool for creating solutions using third party Java classes such as those from JScape, I-Kinetics, Rogue Wave, the KL Group, Microsoft, Netscape or even your own in house components or objects. Version.2.32 supports not only importing of JavaBeans but also importing of ANY Java object. You can now use the AFC, IFC, JFC or any other FC that you can get your hands on. This is the only 100% Pure Java tool which takes you from initial development to deployment all in the same environment. Soft/Export is the master international reseller for JDesignerPro outside of the U.S. If you are interested in placing an order for JDesignerPro, please fax a purchase order with shipping and credit card details to +353 1 294 2197 or email to sales(a)softexport.com. To find out more about JDesignerPro or any of the other products we sell, visit our website at: www.softexport.com. Please see below for special pricing on JDesignerPro. Please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or require any additional assistance BR-JDPSS2.32 dollars J Designer Pro 2.32 Standard System BR-JDPEL2.32 249 dollars J Desinger Pro 2.32 Entry Level Yours sincerely, Noel Hall - SoftExport, Ltd Email: noelh(a)softexport.com

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G8 action plan on online anonymity?
by ulf＠fitug.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Apparently restrictions on online anonymity have been discussed at the meeting of the Justice and Interior Ministers of the G8 in Washington, Dec 8--12, 1997 on "high-tech and organized crime". >From Janet Reno's press release <URL: http://www.usdoj.dov/opa/pr/1997/December97/518cr.html>: "each nation has committed to develop faster ways to trace attacks coming through computer networks, so that we can quickly identify the hacker or criminal who is responsible." What are these fast ways to trace attacks? Did the ministers also discuss anonymous speech? Anyone have the full text of the declaration and the action plan?

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A little Paranoid, William?
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Their paranoia is something else that shows you who they are ("Know-nothings") - In a message dated 98-03-19 07:25:54 EST, whgiii(a)invweb.net writes: << -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNREBTo9Co1n+aLhhAQE0tAP9GR39xeKrtAYRc31BjhjC6EGRqOI46we0 NFBwTWXX6saynTvEo4gdk35Kko9W/cEKAxNsOmjDz8zsFaCX0LJNtzzcVai6g7/t o8GLb/PbDv3i1rMw/1vJqyvMH6D2d3IuIQvUFg0luNeHnSxUT+cze1r4moeHw+Fj yTDV7hk+lb4= =cOih -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 05:36:18 EST, jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu writes: << How many times have you been struck by lightning, Stan? The effects are showing... >> That, my fellow cypherpunks, was known as a 'ad hominem' attack (an attack on (supposed) character, because Ken Williams is too STUPID (after all, he's a "Know-nothing") to be able to attack what I've said.) Stan

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Re: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 05:11:50 EST, jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu writes: << Well, Stan, all of the news you read ultimately comes from the one person selected by Clinton to drive The Propoganda Machine up in Washington, DC. >> And what planet do you live on? Stan

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RE: UPSs
by Pearson Shane 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Stan, A simple low pass filter made of 2 large inductors and a few high voltage capacitors will do the trick nicely. Which is not a slow reacting device being passive. Combine this with polyswitch style protection and some method of discharging a really high voltage to ground and it'll be even better. A very cheap design that should be in all UPS's. And is certainly a whole lot better than nothing at all for removing harzardous spikes, etc. > -----Original Message----- > From: StanSquncr [SMTP:StanSquncr@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 19, 1998 4:59 PM > To: spectre(a)anthrax.net; cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: UPSs > > In a message dated 98-03-18 23:54:33 EST, spectre(a)anthrax.net writes: > > << ... Any decent ups will put the incoming power > through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming > power, > and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get > through. ... > >> > > BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the > initial > spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming > power > lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late. My > suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you > anticipate a > need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of black-out > (and > screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your power supply > to do > that for you.) > > Stan

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Make 6 Figure Income Working In Your Pajamas !!
by op319＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Wayne Madsen
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thursday 3/19/98 6:58 PM John Young J Orlin Grabbe John Gilmore Here are my notes Thursday December 29, 1994 16:45 File MAD1.TXT Memorandum of Record At 16:30 I received a call from a Wayne Madsen 3911 Fairfax Square Fairfax, VA 22031 703-876-3081 3065 FAX wmadsen(a)explorer.csc.com Wayne told me he had a contract to update the Puzzle Palace first written by James Bamford. The contract is with Penguin- Viking. We talked close to 45 minutes. Wayne told he saw my name in Wirbel's EE Times articles. I gave Madsen some information about my case and where documents can be obtained in the WDC area. Madsen told me two disturbing items: 1 NSA has been inviting White House staff to NSA. NSA attempts to impress staff with NSA gadgets. 2 NSA recently invited Tom Clancy to NSA. Clancy's next novel will be about NSA. Clancy, Wayne told, me is being used as a PR man to obtain more funding for NSA. Madsen also told me that a CRYPTO-AG salesman also got arrested by the Iranians for selling them crypto devices which also sent out the key! NSA work: called Red Threads or Hidden Threads. But let us be a little suspicious. NSA is fairly good at dirty tricks. 1 Anyone know Madsen? 2 Is Madsen for real? If Madsen is for real, then let us help him with his book. Madsen recently wrote http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html A former spook did a drive-by of 3911 Fairfax Square Fairfax, VA 22031 shortly after the phone call from Madsen The former spook phoned me again on 07:29 3/16/1998. The spook did a technical evaluation of the above address. How may tricycles, cars, shades pulled-down to see if the address was possibly a home address. The spook concluded that the above address may be a business. Lets all, of course, hope for settlement. bill

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[Fwd: Re: PROGRAMMERS WANTED !!!]
by TruthMongrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It never fails to amaze me that a person can send a letter to a politician telling them that they should shove a crowbar up a child's ass on primetime TV, and get back a reply stating that their opinion is important to the recipient. Once technology is further advanced, I am certain that we can look forward to receiving replies from world leaders which begin with, "Thank you for the DEATH THREAT!!!" ButAreYouReallySincereMonger? To: toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca Subject: Re: PROGRAMMERS WANTED !!! From: Senator_McCain(a)mccain.senate.gov (Senator McCain) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:51:18 -0500 *Automated response* Dear Friend: Thank you for taking the time to contact my office. Your views and opinions are important to me. Due to the high volume of Internet requests that I receive daily, I am unable to provide you with an immediate response. However, if you have included a current mailing address and phone number, you will receive a response by phone or via the U.S. Postal Service. If you did not include a mailing address and would like to receive a response, please feel free to 'reply' to this email, attach a copy of your original message, and be sure to include your postal address and phone number. Additionally, due to provisions of the Privacy Act of 1974, all federal agencies are prohibited from releasing any information regarding an individual without that individual's written consent. This protection means that if you are requesting my assistance with a particular agency or casework of any kind, I am unable to help until I have something in writing, complete with signature, from the person concerned to show that I am authorized to check into the matter. Unfortunately, email does not meet this requirement. I regret any inconvenience that this delay in corresponding may cause. Again, thank you for contacting my office. Sincerely, John McCain U.S. Senator

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Re: Make 6 Figure Income Working In Your Pajamas !!
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

op319(a)juno.com wrote: > > Make 6 Figure Income Working In Your Pajamas !! I had a girlfriend who used to do that...does that make me a pimp?

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by millions5＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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NDIA's 24th Environmental Symposium & Exhibition
by m6RU9k9pF＠edw1hit.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by newsdirectories＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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NETA & exporting PGP
by dc＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

March 20, 1998 Export Law Tested by Sale of Privacy Software SAN FRANCISCO -- An American maker of data-scrambling software said Thursday that it would circumvent U.S. export policies by allowing its Dutch subsidiary to begin selling an international version of Pretty Good Privacy, a strong encryption program that does not provide a back door for law enforcement surveillance. Because the company, Network Associates, is the nation's largest independent maker of computer security software, its action could have a serious effect on U.S. export policies on software. Network Associates' decision to sell a program specifically prohibited by the Commerce Department comes at a time when the Clinton administration is already fighting congressional attempts to end export controls on encryption software for fear that such restrictions will hurt the ability of American industry to compete internationally. [...] http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/yr/mo/biztech/articles/20encrypt.html David W. Crawford <dc(a)panix.com> Los Gatos, CA ps If there is an addres preferred to cypherpunks(a)toad.com, let me know.

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WS_FTP Pro 5.0 from Ipswitch, Inc. Now Available!
by Tryit 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: reference
by Dave Emery 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 11:00:02PM -0600, Mike Rosing wrote: > Cryptography is a weapon. With a wire wrap tool, you too can create > weapons of mass destruction using nothing but untracable legal parts. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I'll bite, how ? Crypto is not a destructive weapon - it may blind the opponent, perhaps even sometimes at critical times when that can induce him to behave dangerously - but I fail to see how a cipher in and of itself is a weapon of destruction, let alone mass destruction. I see crypto as an entirely defensive weapon with no potential to destroy anything (except perhaps data when the key gets lost or forgotten). Of course you may be refering to other things one can put together with a wirewrap tool - which isn't really the tool one would want to assemble HERF or HPM destructive weapons with in any case since wirewrap wire can barely handle an amp or so max... > > Patience, persistence, truth, > Dr. mike > -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die(a)die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18

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Re: reference
by Bob Roberts 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dave Emery wrote: > > > I'll bite, how ? Crypto is not a destructive weapon - it may > blind the opponent, perhaps even sometimes at critical times when that > can induce him to behave dangerously - but I fail to see how a cipher in > and of itself is a weapon of destruction, let alone mass destruction. I > see crypto as an entirely defensive weapon with no potential to destroy > anything (except perhaps data when the key gets lost or forgotten). Imagine in the new realm of white collar crime, individuals are only convicted because of evidence. Evidence that can't be decrypted cannot be used. I see that going back to defense, but on the wrong side.

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Re: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

William H. Geiger III wrote: > > You don't have a clue do you Stan?? Stan, whose mind is held hostage by the heathens at A(h)OL, has not yet been visited by the revemissionlutionaries of the Army of Dog, and thus does not realize that the ClueServer died for his sins. Thus, his body and soul are destined to boil in a big black pot forged from the melted remains of his own kettles, and fired by the burning ears of those he has maligned behind their backs, as are all those who spread FUD out of cluelessness, instead of out of a genuine desire to be a rabble-rousing shit-disturber. CardinalBadSpellingMonger

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Re: UPSs
by rdew＠el.nec.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

All, I cannot remember all of the equations that go into this, and only a very simplistic approach follows, but ... If your surge protector is a semi-conductor, it probably will be self-limiting. That is, it will reach a maximum block, and pass whatever is above that. A Trans-sorb device, and those chemical ones, all limit what they do based upon a total absorption. A lot of little ones kills it the same as a single big one. None of these tell you they are no longer operable. However, if the UPS is properly built, it will have an inductor as the leading serial device in a set of 'things'. I would expect a set of capacitors, in parallel with my load, on either side, appropriately sized. The battery that makes the 'U' in the UPS acts like another capacitor. These act as fast as the spike, ALWAYS. The sizes and number of components requires some calculations (testing does NOT hurt, either). Stan needs to review his basic electronics. Yes, it will even protect against lighting if designed for that purpose. Costs vary accordingly ... Bob De Witt, rdew(a)el.nec.com The views expressed herein are my own, and are not attributable to any other source, be it employer, friend or foe. > From StanSquncr(a)aol.com Wed Mar 18 22:44:02 1998 > From: StanSquncr <StanSquncr(a)aol.com> > Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:59:19 EST > To: spectre(a)anthrax.net, cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Subject: Re: UPSs > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > In a message dated 98-03-18 23:54:33 EST, spectre(a)anthrax.net writes: > > << ... Any decent ups will put the incoming power > through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming power, > and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get through. ... > >> > > BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the initial > spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming power > lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late. My > suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you anticipate a > need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of black-out (and > screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your power supply to do > that for you.) > > Stan >

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 18:48:51 EST, Shane.Pearson(a)tafensw.edu.au writes: << A simple low pass filter made of 2 large inductors and a few high voltage capacitors will do the trick nicely. >> Right. The filtering that's already in the power-supply (except that the switching transformer isn't as big as an inductor as a normal old-style power transformer. Stan

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Re: A little Paranoid, William?
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 18:21:57 EST, mgraffam(a)mhv.net writes: << I've heard it said 'Paranoia is reality on a finer scale.' I believe it. If you think that signing messages is paranoia, you may be right.. I, for one, _am_ paranoid. I know the practical attacks that can be made, and I've seen them work and, and demonstrated how easy they are. Worse, I've experienced them. Maybe you haven't .. and thats good. I hope your good luck continues. >> Actually, my presence here amongst the cypherpunks is a direct RESULT of one of those attacks. But I can deal with it without getting paranoid. And you might be correct about paranoia and reality. Stan

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Re: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-20 15:56:14 EST, nobody(a)REPLAY.COM writes: << Stan, whose mind is held hostage by the heathens at A(h)OL, >> You idiot, AOL is with YOU (AOL is part of the 'vast right-wing conspiracy')! See my political page. Stan, http://members.aol.com/StanSquncr/

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Re: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 16:58:32 EST, n9505834(a)garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au writes: << > << Well, Stan, all of the news you read ultimately comes from the one person > selected by Clinton to drive The Propoganda Machine up in Washington, DC. >> > > And what planet do you live on? Yar, everybody knows that it is Rupid Murdoc who runs all the news. >> Well, he runs a large part of the 'show' (Fox news (which has on all the Republican't favorites on sundays)). Stan

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 18:29:55 EST, mgraffam(a)mhv.net writes: << >BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the initial >spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming power >lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late. My >suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you > anticipate a need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of > black-out (and screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your > power supply to do that for you.) See.. now.. you're clearly talking about power protection.. but, you see we _weren't_ talking about power outages, we were talking about compromising emanations being sent through power lines.. and as far as the UPS goes, whether or not a UPS would help such muffle such emanations. >> Right. That's why I pointed out that you shouldn't use a UPS and expect it to prevent large surges (such as the type that occurs when lightning hits your incoming power. So, my statement was NOT stupid, your attack on it was. :-) Stan

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Re: UPSs (yeah, it's off topic)
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-20 16:23:56 EST, spectre(a)anthrax.net writes: << At 16:03 3/20/98 , Bob De Witt wrote: >Stan needs to review his basic electronics. Yes, it will even protect >against lighting if designed for that purpose. Costs vary accordingly ... I think stan just confused UPS's with power strips. >> Obviously, you're just confused. :-) << PGP key available from servers. >> So where's your PGP signiture? Stan

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-20 16:04:24 EST, rdew(a)el.nec.com writes: << If your surge protector is a semi-conductor, it probably will be self-limiting. That is, it will reach a maximum block, and pass whatever is above that. >> Yes, but what you fail to point out, is the reason it will pass everything, it will have been blown (shorted, most likely). So, because you failed to point this out, I figure the rest of your response isn't worth responding to. Stan

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > It is only now, in supporting your viewpoint out of sheer > > > contrariness, as opposed to being in agreement, that I have > > > finally figured out that your stance is a true CypherPunk > > > position. I have long held that most of those passing through the hallowed halls of the cypherpunks list are not cypherpunks, but entities who are striving to become cypherpunks--once they succeed, most of them move on to other pursuits and activities. Thank God that there are those who maintain their presence on the list over long enough periods of time to help newbies and neophytes to develop a cypherpunk frame of mind. > > > The InterNet is truly a macrocosm of the many societal > > > microcosms already in existence. It is up to each and every > > > one of us to fit into our environment, strive to change it, > > > or abandon it for a different environment. > > > > Yikes! Profound shit, Toto. How come you didn't post this to the > > list? Are you pulling my cyber-leg? Ross Wright, spam-promoter extraordinare, has become so gun-shy that he can no longer recognize the difference between sarcasm and a post by someone who recognizes that all alleged 'spammers' cannot be lumped into the same stereotypical melting pot. There are those who send 60 million emails out to Dog-and-everybody, without regard to suitability to their sensibilities, and there are those who strive to target their emails toward those who may actually have an interest in their offerings. Life itself is a double-edged sword. To compete with the shotgun spammers, those who wish to target an audience which is likely to have a specific interest in their product or cause have need of a database which will help them to categorize the interests of those who traverse the WWW. In doing so, they run the risk of being lumped in with those who use the same technology to monitor the same users in order to work against their self-interest. > > > "Who will help me be a self-actualized individual?" said the > > > New-Age California Little Red Hen. Nobody. For an extended explaination, read Horatio Alger. PrecedentMonger II

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Re: Does Spamming Really Exist? / Re: Will New Sendmail Blo
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

David: Blah blah blah, theft of services, blah, oh mr. government: please deliver us from spam, blah, blah, blah. TruthMonger wrote one on the best pieces on spam, and you come up with the same old SHIT! Just because you repeat "theft of services" won't make it true. Blah blah, make spammers pay blah blah. Shut up, and hit delete! You fucktard. Spam is not crime, it is commerce! On or About 20 Mar 98 at 17:06, David Scheidt wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, TruthMonger wrote: > > > Spamming is an 'imaginary' felony, as are anonymity and > > encryption. > > Spamming is theft of services, sir. I am forced to pay for a > "service" that I did not request. I, and everyone else, pays for > spam either directly in connect time, or because my ISP wastes > bandwidth handling the stuff. I am not that much bothered by that > it is advertising, or pure junk, but that I pay for it. > > > > To really beat spamming we probably need filters that only allow > > > messages from inside our web of trust. Don't you agree? > > Make people bear the true cost of spam, and it will stop. > =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://ross.adnetsol.com Voice: (408) 259-2795

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Re: Does Spamming Really Exist? / Re: Will New Sendmail Blo
by David Scheidt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Ross Wright wrote: > Spam is not crime, it is commerce! Spam is commerce with the costs borne by the wrong party.

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Re: Does Spamming Really Exist? / Re: Will New Sendmail Blo
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 20 Mar 98 at 18:05, David Scheidt wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Ross Wright wrote: > > > Spam is not crime, it is commerce! > > Spam is commerce with the costs borne by the wrong party. Blah blah blah. I'm bored with this SHIT. Blah blah blah. Like the TruthMonger said, you roll around on the floor with the dogs, you gonna get licked on the mouth. Spam is a fact of life, and complaining about it is far worse than spam. Again, I say: hit your delete key and shut up, you fucktard. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://ross.adnetsol.com Voice: (408) 259-2795

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Complaints about spam are TRUE theft of services
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 19 Mar 98 at 14:27, Ian Briggs wrote: > >> Spamming is an 'imaginary' felony, as are anonymity and > >> encryption. > > No, its actually theft of services. No, actually your complaints about spam are TRUE theft of services. In an article that I posted to this list last year it says the following: Mailing-list spammers Email spam is the favorite gripe of most Netizens, excepting the spammers. Congress is considering legislation [25] to limit the practice of sending unwanted commercial email in bulk. Not everyone thinks this is a good idea. See [26] for a thread from an ongoing debate on Declan McCullagh's fight-censorship mailing list. George Matyjewicz <mosaic1 at ix dot netcom dot com> did a modest experiment on a week's worth of his email -- he is on 56 mailing lists and gets around 200 messages a day -- to gauge how widespread the problem actually is. Matyjewicz posted these results: Total messages...1,354...193.4 Spam messages.......10.......1.4.....< 1 % Spam complaints....189.......27.0.....14 % This article is at: http://206.215.211.222/archive/0108.html Spam is not crime, it's commerce. Shut up and hit that delete key, you fucktard. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://ross.adnetsol.com Voice: (408) 259-2795

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Re: Complaints about spam are TRUE theft of services
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 19 Mar 98 at 15:31, Ian Briggs wrote: > >Spam is not crime, it's commerce. Shut up and hit that delete key, > > you fucktard. > > Its not commerce, its collect calls and fuck you. Fax bombing is > illegal. > > Unsolicitated e-mail of this nature will eventually also be. Is that *really* what you want? >> Not because its "dangerous" to the internet, there are a lot more > dangerous issues facing todays Internet, because organized ISP have > enough power to tell cluless lawmakers it is. Again, I ask: "Is that *REALLY* what you want?" You want stupid congressmen and women to make new laws about spam??? Are you nuts? *Really*, you want them sticking their small minds into the internet? *REALLY*?????? You and all your "organized ISP" brothers should just shut up and hit the delete keys, you bunch of fucktards. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://ross.adnetsol.com Voice: (408) 259-2795

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My Most Abject Apologies
by Paul H. Merrill 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I wish to publicly thank Bill Stewart for pointin out my spelling error in the account I set up for DV for two reasons 1) I truly dilike anyone mishandling my own name in print or in pronunciation and 2) a demonstration needs to be error free or it is a Not Good Thing (not all the way to a Bad Thing for a typo, but enough to take a dim view of it) In this sprirt, I unsubscribed and removed the account and replaced (and resubscribed) it with DimVu(a)aol.com I apologize to one and all especially DV himself -- I certainly did not wish to sully his good name thorugh misspelling. As always, Your Humble Servant, Paul H. Merrill BTW I coulda swore I sent this thing out yesterday, but since I shore ain't seed it, I (wrote and) sent another. (I keep no EMail.) PHM

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S p a m H a i k u / [Repost]
by Spammer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

S p a m H a i k u : 1. Blue can of steel What promise do you hold? Salt flesh so ripe 2. Can of metal, slick Soft center, so cool, moistening I yearn for your salt 3. Twist, pull the sharp lid Jerks and cuts me deeply but Spam, aah, my poultice 4. Silent, former pig One communal awareness Myriad pink bricks 5. Clad in metal, proud No mere salt-curing for you You are not bacon 6 And who dares mock Spam? You? you? you are not worthy Of one rich pink fleck 7. Like some spongy rock A granite, my piece of Spam In sunlight on my plate 8. Little slab of meat In a wash of clear jelly Now I heat the pan 9. Oh tin of pink meat I ponder what you may be: Snout or ear or feet? 10. In the cool morning I fry up a slab of Spam A dog barks next door 11. Pink tender morsel Glistening with salty gel What the hell is it? 12. Ears, snouts and innards A homogeneous mass Pass another slice 13. Old man seeks doctor "I eat Spam daily", he says. Angioplasty 14. Highly unnatural The tortured shape of this "food" A small pink coffin 15. Pink beefy temptress I can no longer remain Vegetarian

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Re: Fucking Sheeple / Re: Does Spamming Really Exist? Um, yes.
by Integration 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > projects for the 4th Reich. > Right on, Ian! > I'm tired of these anonymous cowards, hiding behind a fake address > such as dev.null, putting down those of us who recognize the need > of petitioning our government to put an end to using the InterNet > for purposes which are against the wishes of the majority. > > 1. Its theft of services because its using my bandwidth to "harrass" my > > customers. > Exactly. I have been complaining to my ISP about their forwarding posts > from the CypherPunks list that I disagree with. Despite my complaints, > they allow this harrassment to continue. December 8, 1997: Today at work, I got an email from a company selling genital enlargers. I was shocked: how did they get my email address? I sat there at work, reading this email. Then, as if waking from a dream, I looked at my watch. I had wasted 5 whole minutes of my work time! I quickly deleted the email, and went on my merry way. December 10, 1997: It happened again. This time they wanted me to buy Disco albums from the 70's. I was irate! Susan overheard me mumbling to myself, and told me that just recently, she had received an email from an unknown source that had the word 'masturbate' in it. I asked her if it was a harrasing email, and she quickly explained that it was an email regarding a certain medical condition, for which the emailer had a medical cure. But still, she said. She did look pretty flustered. I shook my head and looked at my watch. Damn! January 23, 1998: I just learned how to install email filters. I can now block email marked 'bulk mail' or with certain generic 'to' fields. But it took me a goddamn day to install the damn filter. I was talking to Joe, and he said that last week, he had to do the very same thing! It seemed our whole company was up in arms! January 30, 1998: Joe, Susan, some others and I met with your system administrator today and asked him to install the filter automatically for everyone in the office. He seemed hesitant, and even balked at doing it until we convinced The Boss to knuckle him under until he did it. We were all very relieved. February 15, 1998: Stan, our system administrator, has been having a lot of trouble meeting all of the various filtering needs of the office, and so he said he is going to meet with our area service provider and see if they can do something in their system that would filter out more of the junk getting in to our office. Today, someone said they had received email from some list of crypto punks or something like that. I asked him, "What the hell is this world coming to? Why can't we just be free of these goddamn punks and freaks cluttering our email with trash!" He nodded righteously, and explained that he'd just subscribed to that crypto punk list last week, and he couldn't believe that he had to read such shit. April 1, 1998: I was reading the newspaper today, and an article caught my eye. It said that a nationwide consortium of ISPs had gotten together and banned all email that met a certain basic description. 'Junk Mail' they called it, and it ranged from 'unwanted' list mail to anything 'indecent' or 'obscene' or obvious 'spamming' type email. Apparently, sophisticated lexical gates were being put in place on a huge number of servers nationwide to help stop the spam. I was so happy I almost cried. April 2, 1998: The United States Government passed an emergency Communication Freedom Act, citing as a primary reason the acts of the consortium of ISPs. The Government cited business interests as a primary reason for instituting a change in the policies of the ISPs. The article in today's Times said that the newly formed Bureau of Internet Communications Privileges would meet with the consortium of ISPs, as well as other ISPs that had not agreed to the terms of the consortium, to work out a mandatory, fair and equitable agreement for validation of internet materials. The Government was adamant that business related emails should, in some form or fashion, be allowed, even as 'spam', given proper certification. I realized that I didn't mind that email trying to sell me a genital enlarger that much after all. June 4, 1998: Today at work, Stan, the system admin, held a meeting for managers. He wanted to explain to us the new Government Certification System (TM). The Government instituted a policy and technical implementation of it that would have the following features: (1) all personal email would be automatically parsed for indecent content in accordance with FCC rules, with the exception of 'adult channel' email, which required a special fee-based service, also certified by the Government, to be attached to one's account. (2) all business email would be queued in a Certification Queue, and would be inspected for content if it was registered as 'bulk mail'. Only companies who registered and paid a nominal fee to the Government would be allowed to use 'bulk mailing'. (3) all encryption would have to be done with a key-escrowed encryption service. That would insure that the Government could validate Certification on every email. Incomprehensible email or otherwise suspicious email would be subject to instant deletion. At work, things were going smoothly: Susan and Joe had no complaints. I was so relieved that finally the Government had stepped in and fixed the Internet. December 21, 1998: Today in the Globe, there were two very interesting articles about the new Government Certification System. The first article claimed that the system was now completely in place, and had even begun having noticeable effects: email and web traffic were down by .25% over the last 21 days! Workplace reports on annoying and harrassing email or web content were down dramatically! Businesses had jumped to sign up for certification, and according to the report, the Government claimed that the revenues generated were 'at least enough to fund the project and associated costs'. What a relief for the economy! The second article was more scandalous: apparently, 3 women had independently reported that President Clinton had 'cybered' with them on IRC chat channels. One woman claims that he even made 'lewd and unbecoming' remarks. The Bureau will be required by a Federal Court to turn over the transcripts and any necessary cryptographic keys next Monday for all sessions over the last 4 weeks. This will help confirm or deny the allegations being pressed against the president. January 1, 1999: As I was walking down the Parade Route this morning, the headline on the Times caught my eye: "Group of Cryptographers Arrested". I walked over to the machine and put in some change. The article reported that a group of Cryptographers from the University of Berkeley and MIT were arrested on charges of including an unpatented and uncertified encryption scheme in freeware products distributed by the GNU/FSF. The four professors claimed that they had repeatedly filed for patents but had been denied. They also explained that the software in which the alleged 'cryptography' was bundled in was only for use in securing personal home systems from unauthorized personal use. The Government issued a statement to the effect that cryptography is cryptography. I did not really understand the details of the article, about the cryptography and the legal arguments and stuff, but I sure was mad at those four professors! January 8, 1999: What a scandal! The mayor of Los Angeles was arrested today for 'the use and distribution of unauthorized pornography'. The mayor claims that he only sent the pictures to his friend in Sacramento. But the law is the law. The fine is supposed to be $250,000! I was very disappointed in they mayor. Imagine: SWIMSUIT photos! January 11, 1999: I just received my first subscription to Government Unix Magazine today. The feature article was about Linux. Apparently, Linux applied for Government Certification for Use of the Internet for Commerical and Distribution Purposes, and was turned down. Government officials said that, "Linux is not a government approved project. The people who wrote linux were a bunch of hackers. The code is distributed for free. That means anyone can go out there and put viruses and encryption right in the software! How could we certify such a project?" In other news, Microsoft, after receiving certification from the Government, got permission to sponsor its own Automatic Updates Channel. Anyone connected to the internet will be automatically updated with upgrades and patches of MS Windows software. Non-windows users will be alerted repeatedly and incessantly by email that they don't have Windows until they finally break down and buy it. January 28, 1999: Today, two teens were arrested and detained indefinitely by undercover agents who claimed that they had intercepted an encrypted transmission issuing from one of the teens' computers that was encrypted with an unknown protocol. The transmission was headed for Russia, and authorities suspected that the teen was sending sensitive information illegally. When I read the report, my heart filled with pride! Home of the Brave, Land of the Free, the *U* *S* of *A*!

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CypherPunk Flame Wars...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

:: Anon-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com :: Anon-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com * In a September issue of New Scientist magazine, researchers in Germany wrote that a type of hermaphroditic flatworm mates through what they call "penis fencing." In the presence of another, a worm lashes out with its penis to attempt to inject sperm, but the potential mate might have similar ideas itself, and in bouts that last up to an hour, each attempts to inseminate the other. Often both worms are left severely punctured. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEWS OF THE WEIRD, founded in 1988, is a nationally syndicated newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate. To receive the columns by e-mail, free of charge, send a message to notw-request(a)nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe. To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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[Fwd: Upon further reflection... [WAS: It's not a trick, but it *is* done with mirrors...]]
by Mirror Site 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-20 19:13:07 EST, shadow(a)tfs.net writes: << some protection is better than none. my roommate and I have our computers in the same room off of the same outlet but my computer has an UPS and his does not. During a storm, lightning hit near the apartment building and it took out his computer but not mine. But I do have a friend who lost his computer to a direct strike to the power lines and it took out the surge strip as well. At least in my case, it was not a direct strike into the power lines but what happened to my roommate made him get an UPS to at least have some protection next time. At least he will not have to possibly shell out another $1,500 for another computer. >> I cannot argue against 'some is better than none' (or, if you're adding onto your existing internal power supply, 'more is better than some'). BUT, of all things, when lightning strikes close to me, it takes out my modem, nothing else. (and it's happened more than once (and they say it doesn't ever strike in the same place twice! ;-) )) Stan

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Re: Faked mail from canada? (was : Clarification / Re: UPSs
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Spectre wrote: > In any case, I don't see you signing your messages either. Yes I do... __________________________________ | | | Watch For CypherPunks | | | | Next Ten Posts | | | | | ---------------------------------- || || || || || || ||

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Re: Micro$not Ba$hing
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Eric Tune wrote: > Out of all the things I've heard said about Bill Gates, about > Microsoft, (both as the Evil Empire and as a God-send) this makes > about the most sense. Truthmonger has it right. At the risk of having list members speculating that this anonymous post is being sent by Toto/TruthMonger in order to gloat his dropping Pearls of Wisdom upon those with weak connections to the ClueServer, I would like to compliment Eric Tune on his recognition of my...Uhhhh, I mean *TruthMonger*'s sense of Reality. > The ONLY significant in-roads that anyone has made with a Unix > environment is Linux and BSD, and all the wishing in the world is not > going to make it more palatable to "John Q. Public". Unfortunately, > Unix is a lot harder to learn for someone who started out in DOS or > Mac software, and it's not near as user friendly. What could be the > incentive to NOT take Win95/NT/MacOS/OS2, which all have wide software > bases, as opposed to the closed world of Unix? John Q. Public doesn't > want all this trouble, he just wants his kids to be able to research > their history reports on the web, and for himself, to download a > little late night skin pics when the wife is late from bingo. He's in > control of how the computer game is played these days, even if he > doesn't understand it. I *love* UNIX/Linux, but I have no illusions that they comprise a viable option for John and Jane Q., unless they are provided at a reasonable price, with GUI's that are usable by people who desire to be able to use a computer without becoming a dweeb/guru/expert. > Microsoft shouldn't be blamed because they were smarter than the rest > of the industry, and when they couldn't be smarter, well, buying the > other company works too. Every one of you would do it the same way if > you were Bill Gates running the largest software empire in the world, > whether you would like to admit it or not. This is exactly what the Anti-Micro$not Coalition is attempting. Instead of making their software available to M.E. Tarzan and U. Jane at a competitive price, they are attempting to prevent someone who sought and got (Hey! I'm a poet...) their business from offering them even more affordable software extensions to their basic operating system. If providing the end-user with the tools to use their modem and the InterNet is an anit-trust violation, then shouldn't the same concept apply to OS vendors who provide tools for their customers to use their printers, etc? The much maligned 'Sheeple' desire only to have an OS that provides them with the tools to use the products that they purchase from computer vendors. The fact that Macintosh suffered in the marketplace from offering a complete package for more money, while the PC vendors offered a more affordable package which required additional purchases of software to accomplish the same ends, is not a reflection on the stupidity of J&J Q. Public. It is a reflection on the ignorance/unwillingness of Apple to properly advertise the discrepancies in entry-level costs versus end-result costs. Tire companies are taking advantage of the shennanigans of their competition by pointing out that their prices include such 'additional items' such as valve stems, balancing, air, etc. Apple and Sun were not constrained by Micro$not from doing the same thing. Many of the UNIX/SCO systems that I sold to my customers were the result of my explaining cost-benefit ratios which I had to analyze for myself, with no help from those actually producing/selling the product. As a former vendor who sold operating systems which were in comptetion with DOS/Windows, despite the fact that their manufacturers were not actively seeking my business, I feel no compunction in calling them to task for attempting to suppress their competition by calling upon the government to make them quit giving the public what they desire. Sincerely, ...uuuhh...I can't remember what persona I am posting under...

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Important Information!
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you have received several copies of all of my pastes to the CypherPukes list tonight, rest assured that it is a direct result of my being a drunken asshole. I have heard a rumor that the CypherPukes are taking up a collection to get me an account on AOL. Can there be any greater disgrace? To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Micro$not Ba$hing From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:19:30 +0100 (MET) Organization: Replay Associates, L.L.P. Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Eric Tune wrote: > Out of all the things I've heard said about Bill Gates, about > Microsoft, (both as the Evil Empire and as a God-send) this makes > about the most sense. Truthmonger has it right. At the risk of having list members speculating that this anonymous post is being sent by Toto/TruthMonger in order to gloat his dropping Pearls of Wisdom upon those with weak connections to the ClueServer, I would like to compliment Eric Tune on his recognition of my...Uhhhh, I mean *TruthMonger*'s sense of Reality. > The ONLY significant in-roads that anyone has made with a Unix > environment is Linux and BSD, and all the wishing in the world is not > going to make it more palatable to "John Q. Public". Unfortunately, > Unix is a lot harder to learn for someone who started out in DOS or > Mac software, and it's not near as user friendly. What could be the > incentive to NOT take Win95/NT/MacOS/OS2, which all have wide software > bases, as opposed to the closed world of Unix? John Q. Public doesn't > want all this trouble, he just wants his kids to be able to research > their history reports on the web, and for himself, to download a > little late night skin pics when the wife is late from bingo. He's in > control of how the computer game is played these days, even if he > doesn't understand it. I *love* UNIX/Linux, but I have no illusions that they comprise a viable option for John and Jane Q., unless they are provided at a reasonable price, with GUI's that are usable by people who desire to be able to use a computer without becoming a dweeb/guru/expert. > Microsoft shouldn't be blamed because they were smarter than the rest > of the industry, and when they couldn't be smarter, well, buying the > other company works too. Every one of you would do it the same way if > you were Bill Gates running the largest software empire in the world, > whether you would like to admit it or not. This is exactly what the Anti-Micro$not Coalition is attempting. Instead of making their software available to M.E. Tarzan and U. Jane at a competitive price, they are attempting to prevent someone who sought and got (Hey! I'm a poet...) their business from offering them even more affordable software extensions to their basic operating system. If providing the end-user with the tools to use their modem and the InterNet is an anit-trust violation, then shouldn't the same concept apply to OS vendors who provide tools for their customers to use their printers, etc? The much maligned 'Sheeple' desire only to have an OS that provides them with the tools to use the products that they purchase from computer vendors. The fact that Macintosh suffered in the marketplace from offering a complete package for more money, while the PC vendors offered a more affordable package which required additional purchases of software to accomplish the same ends, is not a reflection on the stupidity of J&J Q. Public. It is a reflection on the ignorance/unwillingness of Apple to properly advertise the discrepancies in entry-level costs versus end-result costs. Tire companies are taking advantage of the shennanigans of their competition by pointing out that their prices include such 'additional items' such as valve stems, balancing, air, etc. Apple and Sun were not constrained by Micro$not from doing the same thing. Many of the UNIX/SCO systems that I sold to my customers were the result of my explaining cost-benefit ratios which I had to analyze for myself, with no help from those actually producing/selling the product. As a former vendor who sold operating systems which were in comptetion with DOS/Windows, despite the fact that their manufacturers were not actively seeking my business, I feel no compunction in calling them to task for attempting to suppress their competition by calling upon the government to make them quit giving the public what they desire. Sincerely, ...uuuhh...I can't remember what persona I am posting under...

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Re: Fucking Sheeple / Re: Does Spamming Really Exist? Um, yes.
by Integration 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> You are more creative and astute than I am in even my most egotistical > and self-congratulatory states of being. > Please cease and deceasist! > > ROTFLMAOMonger > > Integration wrote: > > December 8, 1997: Today at work, I got an email from a company selling You are too kind! I'm just giving what is wanted... some candy and some medicine. BTW, no need for a cease and desist. I'm sure such an outpouring is fortunately infrequent. *

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Re:
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 3/21/98 2:42 AM, Anonymous (anon(a)anon.efga.org) passed this wisdom: >Life itself is a double-edged sword. To compete with the shotgun >spammers, those who wish to target an audience which is likely to >have a specific interest in their product or cause have need of a >database which will help them to categorize the interests of those >who traverse the <WWW.> In doing so, they run the risk of being >lumped in with those who use the same technology to monitor the >same users in order to work against their self-interest. Exactly, to lump all mass emailers into one homogenous category is all wrong. I subscribe to a list people running Mac Performa series PowerPCs (almost all PPC 603/e)/v). We recently had someone who had apparently subscribed to the list and lurked and built up a mailing list of posters to the list to whom he later sent a solicitation ... it was quite appropriate and as targetted as you can get, active participants in a highly specific group ... you shopuld have heard the weeping an gnashing of teeth ... the bandwidth comsumed by compliants was a thousand fold greater than the solicitation itself! SPAM is the boogeyman of the hour. Yes there are bad spammers out there and a modest knowledge of your mail client will handle 95% of them straight to File 13, but I really do want to receive many of the solicitations I get, I actually do buy things ... Just my .02 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNRPt0T7r4fUXwraZAQGLzwf+MHxH65MoIWtch+sOqgOkEkJX6CKQWHGK QaF411/xf3Yma2zQpV0Vu9UqcHaqBXf+HFxgEmh8hDfneTQHOa81IX9zZPBQ2EXv qeo+ANIDzJzUNSQ+V1SKkgWzDF74VVPXTfBElYYvoox+9LMwHyzTcSiUh4JaN9EN 5cpkyvq+rgzv0QuIHKileSDZRW3BfXK8jA/yUCZ/WkV3eWG4RNavR+Cv7PCsGq4j f9YCrd6cU+4cs4g2gpA8Oc9HK5sKquNrChQY1lZc3hWeFCyKO1uc/8eIAX3MxVAV cRtvJ/SLMqcd+FNIiEstCNCs7SsGB37jbO9RdmY4ZNLxZgtk/BVojQ== =87S8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those that sing the best." -- Henry David Thoreau

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And they all work for the government...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* The London Daily Telegraph reported in January on the thriving addiction clinics of Dr. Robert Lefever, who specializes in helping people who are obsessed with helping other people. Among the 500 patients a year he sees in London and Kent are a number of women who compulsively marry alcoholics so they can cure them. Another recent patient was hospitalized for exhaustion after caretaking an overweight woman, including obsessively rolling her in her wheelchair to many places she did not want to go. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NEWS OF THE WEIRD, founded in 1988, is a nationally syndicated newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate. To receive the columns by e-mail, free of charge, send a message to notw-request(a)nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe. To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.)

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