December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Bernstein's top lawyer, Cindy Cohn, testifies to Congress Tuesday
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The lead attorney in Dan Bernstein's challenge to the US export controls on cryptography is Cindy Cohn, a partner at McGlashan & Sarrail of San Mateo, CA. She will testify on the constitutionality of export controls (and proposed domestic controls) on cryptography, before the Senate Judiciary Committee's subcommittee on the Constitution, Federalism, and Property Rights. The hearing will begin at 10AM (Washington, DC time) on Tuesday, March 17. The hearing will be cybercast in real-time, and will also be archived, at: http://www.computerprivacy.org (Scroll down to the "Encryption hearing to be cybercast" link.) Copies of Cindy's written testimony will be available on Tuesday from the EFF Web site; see http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/ITAR_export/Bernstein_case/ I hope you can attend. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has not yet ruled on the government's appeal in our case. They hope to overturn our Federal District Court case, in which all current export controls on cryptographic source code were declared unconstitutional. We expect a ruling within the next several months. John Gilmore Electronic Frontier Foundation Here are further details, courtesy of Alan Davidson of CDT, <abd(a)cdt.org>: (1) Senate Committee To Hold Encryption Hearing March 17 Constitutional law experts, industry representatives, and the attorney in a case challenging U.S. encryption regulations will testify on encryption policy before the Senate Judiciary Committee's Constitution, Federalism, and Property Rights Subcommittee on Tuesday, March 17. The hearing, "to examine privacy in the digital age, focusing on encryption and mandatory access issues", is scheduled for 10:00 am in the Senate's Dirksen Office Bldg., Rm. 226. Among the hearing highlights: Two well-respected legal scholars, Professor Kathleen Sullivan of Stanford Law School and Professor Richard Epstein of the University of Chicago, will outline the major constitutional concerns raised by domestic encryption controls and other policies to regulate encryption. Expected witnesses include: Panel 1: Rep. Robert Goodlatte (R-VA) Panel 2: Robert Litt, Department of Justice Panel 3: Tom Parenty, Sybase Bill Wiedemann, RedCreek Communications Representative of Law Enforcement Association of America Panel 4: Kathleen Sullivan, Stanford Law School Richard Epstein, U. of Chicago Law School Cindy Cohn, McGlashan & Sarrail Tim Casey, MCI

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Cohn Testimony
by Cindy Cohn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is the text of my testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Constitution, Federalism and Property Rights on Tuesday March 17. TESTIMONY OF CINDY A. COHN; LEAD COUNSEL, BERNSTEIN v. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, ET AL. I want to thank the Sub-Committee for inviting me here today. Although there have been very many hearings and much discussion about cryptography here in Washington, this is the first, I believe, to seek testimony from one of the attorneys directly involved in the legal challenges to the cryptography regulations. I've been asked here because I am lead counsel in the case of Bernstein v. Department of Justice, et al. With the help of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, Professor Daniel J. Bernstein has been trying for over six years to publish on the Internet a simple cryptographic computer program which he wrote. He has been told that if he does, he will be prosecuted. We argued that American scientists, be they academics, in industry or hobbyists, should not have to submit their own work prior to publication to faceless government bureaucrats. This is especially so when those same bureaucrats have unchecked discretion to bar them from publishing his work. That is what the current scheme allows. In fact, before we brought suit those same agency bureaucrats told Professor Bernstein that publishing an academic paper about his software would be illegal and that putting his software into a public library would be illegal. The Federal District Court for the Northern District of California has agreed with us that the regulations are in violation of the First Amendment on their face, meaning that they violate the First Amendment rights of all Americans, not just Professor Bernstein. KARN AND JUNGER: TWO OTHER LEGAL CHALLENGES Two other similar cases are also pending. The first, Karn v. U.S. Department of State, is here in D.C. District Court. The Karn case is the clearest example of the quip often made about the Administration's cryptography policy--that it is based upon the belief that terrorists can't type. Mr. Karn was told that, although a book containing computer source code could be freely sent abroad, a floppy disk containing the exact same information could not. The second case, Junger v. Christopher, is in Cleveland, Ohio, and is based upon the government's position that Professor Junger, a law professor at Case Western University could be prosecuted for teaching a Computers and the Law course in his usual way. RULINGS OF THE BERNSTEIN CASE In the Bernstein case we have received three rulings from the District Court so far, all in our favor: 1) April 1996: Computer program source code is speech; 2) December 1996: ITAR was unconstitutional; 3) August 1997: New Commerce Department cryptography regulations issued in December, 1996 are unconstitutional. In short, the Federal District Court has declared that every single one of the current (and previous) regulations of encryption software are unconstitutional. The final ruling in our favor was appealed by the Administration, argued in December, 1997 before the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, and is now awaiting decision. I have attached a copy of the third District Court opinion to my written statement for your review. I hope you have your staff take the time to review it--it gives a clear and concise statement of some of the key constitutional requirements that any legislation on cryptographic software must meet and a better explanation than I could ever give you about why the current regulations are unconstitutional. As I mentioned before, the Bernstein case challenges the current government restrictions on cryptographic software on the grounds that they are in violation of the First Amendment. Although our case focuses, as it must, on the current regulations, the analysis would apply as well to proposed domestic restrictions which would restrict or license the creation, distribution or receipt of cryptographic software. Indeed, the constitutional problems which would arise if domestic controls were imposed are even more severe than those of the current scheme. The first doctrine of First Amendment law which the cryptography regulations violate is prior restraint of speech. The Bernstein case focuses on the easiest flaws to see in the current scheme--the lack of procedural protections. The Supreme Court has long held that if the government wants to institute a prepublication licensing scheme, it must contain: 1) Prompt decision - no more than 2 weeks; 2) Only a court can stop publication; the government must bring a court case rather than act administratively; 3) Government bears burden of proof in Court. This comes from a seminal Supreme Court case called Freedman v. Maryland. I should point out that as much as I would like to take credit for our legal analysis, we were not the first to see this problem. In fact, the first people to point out this problem in the regulations were in the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel in 1978. You see, the agencies have known for 20 years that this scheme is unconstitutional. Their own lawyers told them so. That is why you never hear them mention the First Amendment in their presentations to you. COMPUTER SOFTWARE IS PROTECTED EXPRESSION The key point in our case, and in your consideration of any proposed legislation, is that source code is protected expression for purposes of the First Amendment. On this point, the administration largely agrees. Let me repeat that--the Administration has not denied that in regulating computer software it is also regulating the "expressive activities" of Americans. This conclusion, which is obvious to anyone who has ever written or read a computer program, is also consistent with what Congress has repeatedly acknowledged. Software is treated as identical to other forms of protected expression in both the Copyright Act and the Freedom of Information Act. From a legal standpoint, the Bernstein case is not complex, nor does it break any dramatic new ground. It simply asks the courts to recognize that the First Amendment extends to science on the Internet, just as it does to science on paper and in the classroom. For it is this scientific freedom which has allowed us to even have an Internet, as well as the many other technologies which we enjoy today. OTHER FIRST AMENDMENT TESTS WHICH CRYPTOGRAPHY REGULATION MUST MEET Up to this point everything I've said isn't just my opinion. It's been decided by the Federal District Court. My legal team and I believe that there are other strong Constitutional reasons which prevent the regulation of cryptographic software. The District Court did not need to address these additional reasons, since it agreed with us that the first alone was sufficient to invalidate the regulations. In addition to procedural protections, the Constitution requires that any regulation which institutes a licensing scheme, or any other form of prior restraint, pass the strictest of tests. Even a claim of national security or public safety must be carefully weighed against our fundamental rights, and must be supported with hard evidence of direct, immediate and irreparable harm, not just conjecture and a few frightening scenarios. Further, aside from prior restraint, a scheme which targets speech on the subject of cryptography and treats that speech differently from speech on other topics must pass the tests of strict scrutiny--that the regulation address a compelling government interest and be narrowly tailored to reach only that interest and no further. That is, the government's concern about national security cannot reach so broadly as to prevent law-abiding citizens from having access to software which they can use for completely lawful purposes. Put into another context, it means that the government cannot require all of us to deposit our house keys with them on the off chance that one of us is a criminal. Further, the government must prove that their restrictions on speech actually meet their goals. Here, such proof would be difficult since terrorists, pedophiles and drug dealers can simply purchase or download strong German, Swiss or Japanese encryption software that is freely available all over the U.S. and the world--over 500 at last count. If necessary, criminals could even type in or scan one of the computer programs printed in the many books published on the subject. THE ADMINISTRATION'S LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS FAIL THESE FIRST AMENDMENT TESTS Neither the current scheme nor any administration-supported, so-called "compromise" schemes proposed so far addresses these First Amendment problems. And even the SAFE bill, which is well-intentioned, fails to contain an assurance of judicial review of any agency decision to prevent publication due to alleged national security concerns, a key element required by the Constitution. SAFE also does not clearly protect scientists such as Professor Bernstein, but only protects those who seek to distribute mass market software already available abroad. This means that American scientists can no longer participate in the ongoing international development of this vital and important area of science. ENCRYPTED SPEECH IS STILL SPEECH In addition, we believe that regulation of encryption software and technology violates the First Amendment because of what encryption does. Encryption allows people to use electronic envelopes to protect their speech. The Supreme Court has noted that a state could not regulate ink or paper without raising constitutional concerns. We believe that similarly the government cannot prevent Americans from using electronic envelopes or require them to use key-escrowed envelopes without violating their First Amendment rights. This is because such rules compel them to speak to the Government anytime they wish to speak to anyone else. Encrypted speech is still speech. The elimination of privacy creates a chilling effect on that speech which implicates the First Amendment. ENCRYPTION WAS USED BY THE FOUNDING FATHERS In fact, in our research for this case we have discovered that the Founding Fathers used cryptography on a regular basis. Even the Constitution and the Bill of Rights themselves were often encoded, as Thomas Jefferson and James Madison exchanged drafts of those seminal documents. Cryptography was used by a virtual Who's Who of the American Founding Fathers--not only Jefferson and Madison but Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John and Abigail Adams, Aaron Burr, and many others. In sharp contrast to the Administration's arguments today, they viewed cryptography as an essential instrument for protecting information, both political and personal. Our research indicates that when the First and Fourth Amendments were enacted in the late 1700s, any suggestion that the Government should have the ability to prevent individuals from encrypting their messages, or that the Government should have a back-door key to all encrypted messages, would have struck the Constitution's framers as ridiculous. CONCLUSION In sum, our legal challenge to the current restrictions on encryption software is succeeding. It is succeeding because the First Amendment is clearly violated when the government institutes a prepublication licensing scheme which allows agency bureaucrats unfettered discretion to prevent American scientists from publishing their own ideas. It is succeeding because the Courts have recognized the importance of keeping the First Amendment intact as we move into the information age. As you consider the many legislative proposals about cryptography, we hope you will do the same. ****************************** Cindy A. Cohn, Cindy(a)McGlashan.com McGlashan & Sarrail, P.C. 177 Bovet Road, 6th Floor San Mateo, CA 94402 (650) 341-2585 (tel) (650) 341-1395 (fax)

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Prologue 8/0
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SAHMD -- Prologue 8/0 --------------------- Note from a disinterested party: A quick perusal of the various chapters of "Space Aliens Hide My Drugs" indicates to me that Timothy C. May will be unable to understand the chaotic YoungEsque structure of this release of the manuscripts, whereas John F. Young will be unable to understand the serious, grounded basis of rationale behind the often confusing, shot-gun blatherings being perpetrated upon the reader (unless, of course, JFA reads it during one of his drug-free periods during which he maintains one of the most detailed and pertinent databases ever assembled, concerning the privacy, security, and freedom issues of the day). Thus I will take it upon myself to interpret the current Circle of Eunuchs manuscript which is being spammed upon the Cypherpunks mailing lists in the interests of ensuring that sanity and decorum do not gain the upper hand among the spooks, psychotics, sociopaths and nuclear physicists who use the list to vent male hormones which exceed the level which normal society finds acceptable. ***** For starters, "Space Aliens Hide My Drugs," although often spoke of by the Author as the title of h/is/er evenutal autobiography, was begun by an entity who was either attempting to provide cover-fire for the son of gomez during his TruthMonger Soft-Target Tour, or by an agent of a government agency which was monitoring that tour. Analysis of the opening chapters show conclusively that they were written on an early version of a Sperry computer, using WordPerfect 4.2. The computer in question had =~= 256K of RAM, situated on an add-in board. Prologue 1/0 ------------ Written by someone with a comprehensive knowledge of the Author's background, but with subtle self-denigrating slams against his character and history which suggest it was written by someone whose goal was to cast the Author in a negative light which goes far beyond that which the Author h/im/erself reveals in the process of viewing h/is/er life with basic objectivity. The increasingly violent rhetoric, combined with a challenge to a female member of the Cypherpunks whom the Author holds in the utmost respect, tends to confirm that this chapter was initiated, not by a fellow initiate into the Circle of Eunuchs, but by a member of one of the agencies monitoring h/im/er, in the hope that s/he would eventually 'take the bait' and continue h/is/er autobiography in an open and forthright manner which would lead to an increasing quantity of evidence concerning h/is/er state of mind which could be legally used during the course of government prosecution. Prologue 2/0 ------------ This was introduced by a post, allegedly from L. Reed, which seemed to have a purpose only of implicating Ms. Reed and J. Tolkoff in the writing and desemination of the SAHMD manuscript. Prologue 2/0, proper, is written from the point of view of someone who was surrupticiously monitoring CJ Parker's attendance at a Bay-Area Cypherpunks physical meeting. Its goal seems to be to legitimatize the character and activities of C2Net and its raghead leader, Sameer, in a way that goes totally contrary to the Author's view of them as shadowy entities in league with the Evil One. Prologue 3/0 & 3a/0 ------------------- All indications are that this chapter was written by, or under the direction of, Larry Joe Dowling, the Austin attorney who flew to Las Vegas to warn old Doc Parker that his autobiography had been set in motion by government entities which were working against his self-interests. Only Dowling would have likely been familiar with the persona known as Justin Case, a musician that Parker met only one time, at a late- night picking/drinking session at Dowling's residence outside of Austin. Only Dowling would have been likely to recognize the close affinity between "The Electronic Privacy Papers" and "Paper Prison." Prologue 4/0 ------------ Analysis of past communications between toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca and camcc(a)abraxis.com indicate that this chapter was written by Alec McCrackin, a Circle of Eunuchs member purportedly working as a CoE double agent, deep within the bowels (this week's 'catch phrase') of the BXA in Georgia, but actually a triple-agent working to expose the source and goals of the 'True Story of the InterNet' manuscripts, as well as a quadruple-agent working for MI9 and pulling down some serious money collecting all of those paychecks... Prologue 5/0 ------------ Written by Bianca, a CoE member renowned far and wide for a pair of stand-up titties that men would abandon thrones and fortunes for. "The Story Thus Far: (Or so we would have you believe...)" is a classical trademark of the woman who has 'monitored the monitors' since her initiation into the Circle of Eunuchs, and who has provided much of the insider information that is openly disseminated in 'The True Story of the InterNet" manuscripts, surrounded by details which seem outlandish and overblown to those who have never experienced the true depth of the mystery and intrigue taking place behind the scenes of what the average person views as reality. Prologue 6/0 ------------ This chapter was ghost-written by a resident of the Home For The Criminally Insane, who transcribed the barkings of the Author's dog, Baby (aka - MongrelMonger), who claims to be a Fox Terrorist. Baby is purported to be the inspiration behind the soon-to-be worldwide phenomena known as the Army of Dog. Prologue 7/0 ------------ Written by Kent Crispin, a CypherPunk who was torn between his work as a Government Schill (TM) and his obligations as a full initiate of the Circle of Eunuchs, until he received a private email from the Author, stating that Kent was welcome to 'rat me out' at any given point in time in order to protect his family, with the explaination from the Author that, 'I am expendable--that's my role in the CoE.' Prologue 8/0 ------------ This chapter was not written by me...it is an obvious forgery...

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If Tim May fucked John Young, the progeny would write...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Excretion from Prologue 7/0 of Space Aliens Hide My Drugs: The only hope for Netizens to resist becoming Digital Sheeple behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain which the forces of censorship/repression are striving to put in place is for each member of the coming Army of Dog to mark their meatspace and cyberspace territory and refuse to go gently into the night when the Oppressor attempts to scare them into submission with a mountain of laws and regulations which promise unjust persecution for imaginary offenses. A Global InterNet Army of individuals committed to freedom must strive to create a maximum entropy within which the chaos of semiotic evolution can break the digital chains which the Statist Oppressors are seeking to use to bind and repress access to information, global communication, free speech/expression, and the evolution of the Universal Life Energy, itself.

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17 Dec '03

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On Cypherpunks
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just want to say, with all the "nobody's" and "anon's" running around attacking folk in private, I feel right at home (just like any other list on the net, the "Know-nothings" are all over the net). And I'd like to apologize for my comments directed towards the list when I first came, I was rather prejudice (against EVERY list) at the time, and my compliments to the cypher's for your apparent open-mindedness. It's cool to be here, Stan, Stan and the Sequencers

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17 Dec '03

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by Global Web Builders 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Markoff in the NYT reports today on the release of a new Sendmail upgrade by author Eric Allman that will block spam by checking the legitimacy of the originating address before delivery. The report claims that spam is up to 10% of e-mail worldwide, And that Sendmail is used on 75% of the computers that route e-mail, all of which are being fitted with the new program. What are the chances that this will affect remailers or other means of eternal anonymity? Except Sualk, GL, UB and Nuh, all of whom we now know are Otot GinPu Tca as those crazy Syug Irtmid Irun.

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No Subject
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

3/17/98 A note to Cypherpunks: Today I was sent a missive ostensibly from Mr. Toto. Following are the particulars: [begin quote] Return-Path: <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> Received: from harrier.sasknet.sk.ca (harrier.sasknet.sk.ca [142.165.5.2]) by camel10.abraxis.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02654 for <camcc(a)abraxis.com>; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:42:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from uymfdlvk (regnsk01d05020132.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.24.84]) by harrier.sasknet.sk.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA21157; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:40:54 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <350E1A48.6C00(a)sk.sympatico.ca> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:38:01 -0800 From: Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> Reply-To: toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca To: Replay Anonymous remailer <remailer(a)REPLAY.COM> [end quote] For health reasons I removed myself from the list several months ago; now it appears the errors of my youth have returned to haunt me. I had assumed either the RCMP, CIA, FBI, KGB, ASPCA, or some other local authority had plucked Toto from the Web. Alas, this latest message, SAHMD -- Prologue 8/0, indicates the torment continues unless, of course, it is a forgery. But then, Mr. T. has been known to forge messages he has signed and send them direct with screwed up Anon: headers. This must stop. Whom should I contact to complain about such harrassment? My head is hurting again for the first time in months. Alec

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BIOS, FBI/ERF, Barbara Boxer,
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tuesday 3/17/98 6:29 AM Charles Christopher, FBI/NY http://www.fbi.gov/fo/nyfo/nytwa.htm John Gilmore Christopher, I received a phone call Monday morning. The caller asked me to modify my resume to reflect my experience with PC BIOS. I added the following lines. Attended Annabooks University week-long course on ROMing BIOS in 1992. Sixteen years experience interfacing high-level languages to BIOS. Reverse engineering BIOS and DOS for Sandia Labs weapons controller. Custom BIOS modifications experience for electronic locks for the FBI/Engineering Research Facility using Pentium processors. The FBI paid my course tuition for the Annabooks course. http://www.annabooks.com/ I learned several months after Sandia manager Tommy Sellers, who was entering the crypto business, and ombudsman Harvey Brewster gave me a directed transfer to break electronic locks for the FBI that the FBI DOES NOT GET COURT ORDERS to do normally illegal work. The FBI my FBI/ERF supervisors, Mike Uttaro, and his boss Mike McDevitt told me that they believe that the above work is CLASSIFIED SECRET. http://www.fbi.gov/ I think that we should get this matter settled before it GETS WORSE. Gilmore, I saw at http://www.jya.com/acp-pols.htm BOXER CONTINUES EFFORTS TO OPPOSE U.S. EXPORT LIMITS ON COMPUTER ENCRYPTION March 4, 1998 WASHINGTON, D.C. -- U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) joined Americans for Computer Privacy and a delegation of bipartisan lawmakers at a news conference today to oppose U.S. export limits on encryption technology. The following is Senator Boxers statement. Since the high-tech revolution, Americans have learned that privacy protection is of the utmost importance. Encryption technology is a key component in protecting our privacy - it is the lock on the door that guarantees not only our privacy, but often our safety as well. Boxer also is known for the following quote Those who survived the San Francisco earthquake said, Thank God, Im still alive. But, of course, those who died, their lives will never be the same again. - Representative Barbara Boxer, after the 1994 [sic] earthquake Weird History 101 John Richard Stephens http://www/adamsmedia.com Sandian Ron Pate and I were seated in a SF airport satellite area during that earthquake. Pate and I worked on electronic tagging for the CTBT. This used public key crypto. I used the Cylink CY1024 for that project. Electronic locks are mostly connected to Pcs. The PC keeps both a printed record and disk log entrys. Electronic lock programmers do not and cannot rewrite an operating system. Therefore, the simplest way to defeat an electronic lock is to modify BIOS. Intercept the electronic lock programmer call to BIOS, look for a known credential, open the door, and suppress the writes to printer and disk. Not too tough to do. But I was told to modify MANY SYSTEMS which I could NOT DO. Hirsch, CardKey, Sensor engineering, .... I was being set up to fail. Looks like your legal stuff is paying off in political support. Lets hope we get this crypto mess settled so that we can all move on to more constructive projects. Later bill

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Re: "Must refrain from using a mind": A(h)OL's son
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Information Violation wrote: > > from the Bienfait Rectal Examiner: > _________________________________________________________________ > > A(h)OL, a long, chubby dick with a thick mustache, has pleaded not > present to two felony counts alleging possession of cryptographic material > with the intention of ciphering or deciphering. > > If convicted, he faces up to six lifetimess in prison. > > He pleaded not present Wednesday and is free on his own recognizance, > subject to some unusual conditions: that he obey authority, stay away > from words, refrain from possessing or using a mind and get > psychopathological torture. > > Opening the back door of Jim Morrison's former home on a trimmed > cul-de-sac, A(h)OL, his face reflecting anarchy for a few seconds, > declined a donut and shut the door. > > A(h)OL's attorney, Adrian Messenger, said the persecution's theory of > reality was probably the result of 'bad acid.' His client, a > childless bachelor, with two sons, "is a 47-year-old turd," he said. > "He's not a cryptographer. He stays stoned a lot, and he's a pretty > recessive pervert." > > Adrian said A(h)OL "strikes me as an acutely illiterate guy who > wouldn't hurt a word. He hasn't got the social grace or skills of > one who would try subtly to peek up a female cryptographer's skirt > to see if she was wearing panties."

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GSM Interception
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Below is one of the most comprehensive and informative sites we've seen on telephonic snooping, with nation by nation accounting of technologies, laws, disinformation, deception, complicity, commerce and teletone opps for MH-moola ka-chinka chinka: From: "UT11" <ut11(a)techno.forem.be> To: <jya(a)pipeline.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:07:50 +0100 Actually 100 Millions of GSM Are Geographically & Automatically Tapped and Stored 4 Months http://www.ii-mel.com/interception http://www.dejanews.com (keyword: location GSM, title: interception)

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Data Fellows Lauches New Version of the Famous F-Secure SSH Products
by Mia Westerholm 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Data Fellows Ltd. Media Release For immediate release 17 March 1998 DATA FELLOWS LAUNCHES NEW VERSIONS OF THE FAMOUS F-SECURE SSH PRODUCTS The improved F-Secure SSH product family is a unique tool for secure remote systems administration ESPOO, FINLAND --- Data Fellows, a leading provider of Internet security solutions, has launched new versions of its famous F-Secure SSH products. F-Secure SSH Tunnel&Terminal and F-Secure SSH Server protect TCP/IP-based terminal connections in UNIX, Windows and Macintosh environments. They enable remote systems administrators and telecommuters to access corporate networks via any Internet Service Provider without revealing system passwords and other secrets to possible eavesdroppers. "In addition to providing secure login connections, F-Secure SSH Server secures all remote systems administration tasks by providing secure tools to replace the existing rsh, rlogin, rcp, rdist and telnet protocols," says Mr. Olli Voima, Product Development Manager of F-Secure SSH. "As a new feature, the secure file transfer application offers an easy-to-use graphical interface for the safe transfer of files." F-Secure SSH Tunnel&Terminal and F-Secure SSH Server support the forwarding of TCP/IP services like pop, smtp (used by e-mail software), http (used by Web browsers), etc., or almost any other TCP/IP-based service. The local proxy server in F-Secure SSH Tunnel&Terminal listens for a socket on the desired port and forwards the request and data over the secure channel. It then instructs the F-Secure SSH Server to make the connection to the specified service on the remote machine. Automatic forwarding of the X11 Windowing System secures graphical applications. F-Secure SSH products are based on the SSH protocol, an application level security mechanism used in conjunction with Internet protocols. "The SSH protocol is the most widely audited and standardized security protocol in the world," says Mr. Voima. "Its strong end-user authentication and encryption leave no room for security compromises. As a European company, Data Fellows is not restricted by the US export regulations, and has thus been able to make strong encryption available worldwide. F-Secure SSH host authentication is based on 1024-bit RSA keys, and the secure connections use 128-bit session keys." In addition to being strongly secured, the F-Secure SSH products are easy to use. The single sign-on technology makes the handling of multiple terminal sessions simple. Says Mr. Voima: "Easy-to-use and strongly secured, F-Secure SSH is a truly unique security solution for remote systems administration." About Data Fellows: Data Fellows is one of the worlds leading developers of data security products with offices in San Jose, California and Espoo, Finland. Its groundbreaking F-Secure product family is a unique combination of globally available, strong encryption and revolutionary anti-virus software. The integrated F-Secure product range provides a complete security solution for enterprises, and includes file encryption and IPSec communication encryption products, VPN gateways, SSH based secure remote management software, and a full range of anti-virus products to workstations, servers and gateways. Data Fellows is also the developer of the award winning F-PROT Professional anti-virus, now part of the dual scanning engine concept of F-Secure Anti-Virus. Data Fellows is privately owned. Since it was founded in 1988, its annual net growth of net sales has been over 80%. Data Fellows offers a worldwide network of technical support, training and distribution in over 70 countries. Data Fellows belongs to an elite group of companies that have a triple-A rating from Dun&Bradstreet. For further information, please contact: Mr. Olli Voima, Product Development Manager Tel. +358 9 859 900, Fax. +358 9 8599 0599 E-Mail: Olli.Voima(a)DataFellows.com or visit out website at http:// www.DataFellows.com ALSO, VISIT OUT BOOTH AT CEBITŽ98 (HALL 3, STAND B46) €€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€€ Mia.Westerholm(a)DataFellows.com http://www.DataFellows.com Data Fellows Ltd. PL 24 FIN-02231 ESPOO, FINLAND Tel. +358 9 859 900 Fax. +358 9 8599 0599

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Local Law Oppose FBI on Crypto
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A point made at Senator Ashcroft's crypto hearing going on now, made by James J. Fotis, of the Law Enforcement Alliance of America, is that many local police departments do not want the FBI and federal agencies snooping on them, thus, they oppose the FBI's stance on crippled crypto. To be sure, they may fear the feds because of local corruption, but it's a crack in the blue wall solidarity that the FBI has heretofore vaunted. Listen in by RealAudio: http://www.computerprivacy.org/archive/03171998-1/

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VIABLE PRODUCT, VIABLE OPPORTUNITY
by RDonnovan＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: PGP assimilated by NAI
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > No doubt. I offer the observation that only someone doing > a favor for the government or someone operating from the > totally mind-fucked perspective of modern mismanagement > would invest good money to buy a company whose principal > asset was its "good will" and proceed to completely trash > that marketplace good will, abandon the world-famous > name of product and company, and physically assimilate > the hapless wage slaves working there by another group > that represents the antithesis of what PGP stood for in > the minds of virtually all who knew it, worldwide. How > can this _possibly_ be a good business decision in and > of itself? Occam's Razor: It isn't -- it's only good in > terms of what someone may have promised in return for > destroying PGP. It's a lot easier to see how that might > be the case than to see how NAI/NG could come out winning > in the marketplace by cancelling out everything that PGP, > Inc. had going for it. Back in the 'old days', when I had to walk ten miles, uphill, in a blinding snowstorm, only to find that computers did not exist yet, I was a founder of one of the first Canadian anti-nuclear grassroots organizations. Once the anti-nuke movement had progressed to the point where it was a viable entity, worthy of press coverage, etc., the Canadian government began to 'recognize' the legitimacy of the movement, and to 'fund' it (hee-hee). I went to the self-congratulatory celebration party held by the members of the group I had founded who had managed to line up at the government trough by abandoning their ethics and values in favor of a government-mandated policy of taking a 'reasonable' middle-road in the group's activities. I was there for eleven minutes. I spent the first five minutes shoveling as much free food as humanly possible down my throat. I spent the next five minutes draining every bottle of free liquor in sight down my throat. I spent the next minute barfing everything I had consumed all over the government representative who was in attendance to make certain that everyone was toeing the line and not saying 'bad things' about the Canadian government or the Nuclear Power Industry. Prologic Management Systems, Inc., bought Basis, Inc., in Berzerkeley a couple years ago (considered by some to be the main lair of a secret organization dedicated to preventing the Evil One from using computer technology to imprison the minds and souls of humankind). My research indicated that Prologic was a spook-owned 'company killer' which specialized in buying out and decimating companies who actually had a capacity to resist the diabolical aims of the NWO. When Network Associates bought PGP, I did similar research on NAI and Network General, and came to the same conclusions. > ("Psst! Buy PGP > and fuck it over until no one recognizes or trusts it, > and we'll throw you a $50 million contract next year > from our Black Budget!") I have a friend in Arizona who asks me for investment advice, and I recently told him to invest heavily in companies being acquired by WorldComm. My rationalization for his investing heavily in companies in league with the Anti-Christ was that, when Jesus comes back, he'll have enough money to buy him a meal and drinks at the best restaurant in town, thus redeeming himself. > This is a Pretty Good Example of why it was a Pretty > Bad Idea to form PGP, Inc. in the first place. Phil, > the brave but too-politically-correct middle-aged naive > liberal guy, is seeing his creation burn to ashes before > his eyes. Parents should never outlive their children -- > it ruins them, as is part of the game plan here, I > suspect. > FuckedAgainGeezMyAssIsGettingSoreMonger II Whenever the government 'legitimatizes' any organization/product, it is generally for the purpose of co-opting/fucking them. The government uses the carrot-stick method on the citizen-animal. First, it gives them the carrot/benefit for registering their identity with the government (SSN#) and then it gives them the stick/buttfucking once they are identified and categorized. ImFromTheGovernmentAndImHereToHelpBendOverAndGiveMeYourNumberMonger

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Re: Software license detector vans
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 13:15 3/17/98 , you wrote: >Well, you don't have to cover *every* house, just *any* house. THe >Brits have vans that roam around looking for unlisenced sattelite >receivers, and it provides a pretty effective deterrant. That works in that scenario, but you do have to monitor *every* house, and continually, if you want to catch a software pirate.. in the satellite scenario, they're just looking for a signal to see if it exists or not. In the M$ scheme, you'd have to get the license key and compare it against a database to see if that license key was in use by anyone else at that exact moment... it's not illegal to use multiple copies of the same piece of software, it's just illegal to use them concurrently. -The Spectre [SP4 w/ clam cluster] -http://www.anthrax.net/cos "The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently." -- Neitzsche, _The_Dawn_ PGP key available from servers.

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Corporate Children
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Bienfait Nutly News] IN A RIOTOUS, DRUNKEN ORGY AT THE COALDUST SALOON, representatives of Canadian Funeral Home Association celebrated their success in bribing enough Canadian officials, bureaucrats, politicians and mobsters to pull off the advertising coupe of the century. Beginning on April 19, 1998, at 9:02 a.m., Canadian funeral homes will be able to bid on advertising space on the ceilings of maternity wards, birthing rooms and infant care facilities across the nation. Jealous of the recent success of soft-drink and liquor companies in gaining a virtual stranglehold on the public school and college market, the CFHA appealed to the North American Advertising Coalition for support, on the grounds that establishing a Cradle-to-Grave precedent for access to the minds of the citizens would be good for the industry as a whole. Lou Armbuster, who engineered Smith & Wesson's successful bid for access to the prison advertising market, stated, "We are certain that this will be a major step in preventing people from putting off dealing with funeral arrangements until it is too late, leaving their relatives vulnerable to unscrupulous operators during their period of grief." When asked about the rumor that the "Vote Hoffa" ads appearing on the sides of the majority of coffins recently was part of a pre- arranged deal for Teamster Union support, Mr. Armbuster punched out the lights of the reportwhore who asked the question. PGP Inc., under fire recently for the fact that their latest version of Corporate GAKware has a 'comment' line that defaults to "Louis Freeh for President!", contends that it does not constitute free political advertising, since the customer has the option to change it. Nevertheless, PGP refuses to drop their lawsuit against the FrostBack they consider responsible for hacking their system and altering their source code so that new versions of PGP installed on Canadian systems have a default comment line of "Cindy Cohn has a great ass!" ----- The Bienfait Nutly News is in no way connected to the Left Nutly News or the Right Nutly News. We prefer to remain in the middle, in the tradition of our founder, Dick Richard. -----

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The Eighth Word You Can't Say On The Internet
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Armies Gather by Jeff Elliott The most surprising place where anti-abortion provisions have appeared, however, was in the mammoth Telecommunications Deregulation Bill. Late in the day of January 30th, Colorado Representative Pat Schroeder made an unpleasant discovery: a last-minute addition appeared to make it a crime to discuss abortion on the Internet. The Telcom Bill already had the controversial "Communications Decency Act" that made it a felony to mention the seven dirty words forbidden on radio or TV; that was well known, and much discussed in both the House and the Senate. But this abortion clause was new, and would make "abortion" the eighth word banned from cyberspace. The ACLU and 19 other organizations filed for a temporary restraining order on the same day that Clinton signed the bill. But while the federal judge ruled, the vague "indecency" provisions were probably unconstitutional and should be heard by a special 3-judge panel, the restraining order on the abortion section was denied. Schroeder and others are trying to repeal the ancient law behind these restrictions, but passage in the rightward-tilted House is far from certain.

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EMI, Van Eck, etc.
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In almost every writing I've come across regarding Van Eck, I notice the phrase "...simply a modified television" or something along those lines. Does anyone have a document for actually modifying a television set to do this sort of thing? It doesn't have to be extremely long ranged, and could in fact be very short range.. I am interested in performing my own experiments into defeating this sort of eavesdropping. Also, would it be possible to scramble the signal into an unusable level by simply putting another device emanating RF at the snooping frequencies nearby the machine that you want to protect? Something generating white noise at that frequency, but with a purposely built antenna, say a high gain type turned outward from the monitor, with a significantly higher power output than the monitor? Thanks.. -The Spectre [SP4 w/ Clam Cluster] -http://www.anthrax.net/cos "No man is clever enough to know all the evil he does." - La Rochefoucauld

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No Subject
by Kevin Mahoney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reply-to: kevinm(a)emarc.com Subject: emarc Research Services Hello, I am contacting you on behalf of my company emarc, LLC. (Electronic Media & Research Consultants) . We provide our clients with services that utilize Internet technology, sound sampling (compilation) methodologies and innovative on-line implementation solutions . Our products and services include: Online Screening with guaranteed response rates based on completed surveys. On-going panel compilation for future studies or focus groups. Panel compilation for buisness or consumer related studies. Online product affinity for software and computer related products. Our services provide cost effective, efficient and accurate data collection that can be generalized to larger populations through pre-screening and post-hoc weighting. emarc's mission is to provide quality service to the marketing, market research and political research communities. For more information please call me at 1-561-347-0356 or drop me an email at kevinm(a)emarc.com Regards Kevin Mahoney Director of Research Services emarc, LLC.

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You've got to save room for desert...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Takes 18 bee hummingbirds to weigh as much as a shot of whiskey. ============================================== LMBoyd Web Site / U. S. Newspapers / Start Email / Stop Email http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm

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They don't need no stinking privacy!
by A. Sheeple 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An Open Letter To The CypherPunks: Due to the large amounts of ridicule heaped upon the Sheeple family by members of the CypherPunks list, I have decided to write to the list to clarify a few of the issues on which our family's stances are apparently misunderstood by people outside the pen. First of all, we are AdamAnt about retaining our right to privacy, but we recognize the need for the authorities to invade other people's right to privacy, in order to protect us from them. We demand our right to a fair and impartial trial before a jury of our peers, but we recognized the need for law enforcement agencies and the justice system to take whatever steps are needed to make certain that others are convicted in accordance with the desires of the majority of their betters, according to the results of the Sheeple polls taken by CNN and People's Court. (Note: We, the Sheeple, are willing to do our part, and look the other way when those responsible for our protection need to stretch the boundaries of belief by claiming that a black wife-beater is not a suspect in the murder of his wife and her white lover, as they climb over a fence onto his private property, without a warrant, saying, "We're white men from the government, and we're here to help a Black-Afro American.] We wish to exercise our right to have security in our private communications by employing strong cryptography, but we also recognize the need for our government to intercept communications by foreigners, in order to protect us and to manipulate world events in a manner that will keep the price of our TV's as low as possible. We wish to exercise our right to free speech, but we recognize the need of authorities to prevent filth and vermin from using disgusting and perverted language such as, "Baah...Baah...", instead of righteous and politically correct language such as "Baaa...Baaa." In short, or position is that we wish to retain all of our rights and freedoms, but support them being compromised or taken away from others, for the good of the Sheeple. A. Sheeple

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fight back at SPAM!
by nobody＠nsm.htp.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I received some annoying spam today. Unbelievably, they included a 1-800 number. Since they wasted my time, I thought I'd call them up and waste their time (on their nickel!). I got a recording asking me to leave a message. I then called back and it stated that this was my last call for the day. Apparently they only accept two phone calls from each distinct phone number. The phone number is 1-800-338-6150 if anyone else feels like calling them up and tying up their phone line. I'm not going to mention what they're selling, since that would be doing them a favor. Maybe when they get their phone bill they will realize the problems associated with direct email marketing on the Internet. ;-) If a honest-to-goodness live person answers, just talk to 'em and try to keep them on the line as long as possible. Ask questions about their product, etc. The longer they talk to you, the more it costs them! You get the picture! Enjoy!

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The Rapist from the Internet Chat Room
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alleged `Cybersex' Victim Testifies By SAMUEL MAULL, Associated Press Writer NEW YORK -- A woman who says a graduate student she met online tied her up and raped her in his apartment tearfully described for jurors how she begged, "Don't rape me, don't dismember me, don't kill me" before escaping. In emotional testimony Tuesday, the 22 -year-old woman said she managed to untie herself from a futon, fight off her assailant and flee. "I was sore. I was exhausted. I didn't want to move," she said, then describing how she loosed the cloth strips: "I felt so good! I got it undone and I stood up! I got it undone! I looked at him and he looked frightened! I'm not going to die!" The witness, who said she was naked while tied up, said she grabbed her clothes and got dressed while running for the door and fighting off the man who had held her as a sex captive for more than 20 hours. "He tried to catch me," she said. "I just kept fighting. I wouldn't let him get any part of me. I ran to the door and clenched the handle because I was not going to be tied up again." The woman says her tormentor was Oliver Jovanovic, 31, a Columbia University doctoral candidate in molecular biology whom she met in an Internet chat room. Jovanovic is charged with kidnapping, sodomy, aggravated sex abuse and assault against the woman in his apartment following their first date Nov. 22, 1996. The woman said Jovanovic had tied her up, dripped hot candle wax on her abdomen and genital area, bit her breasts until they bled and used a nightstick to sexually abuse her. The woman said Jovanovic attacked her after a discussion about good and evil and became upset when she said she believes people are not inherently evil. He then ordered her to undress, she said. Defense lawyer Jack Litman said no violence occurred between the two and that any sexual activity, while it might have been unusual, was consensual. He quoted from e-mail messages sent by the woman to Jovanovic before and after their date in which she talks about sadomasochism in what appear to be terms of approval. The e-mail messages the woman sent to Jovanovic included one that reads "Rough is good," and another that reads "I would go through the pleasure of hell's pain." The woman testified that she sought out Jovanovic because she thought he was intelligent, knowledgeable and interesting. Litman called the woman unstable and overly imaginative. He said she is blaming the evening's activity on Jovanovic to absolve herself of something she likes but considers dirty.

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PRZ on PGP/NAI/TIS/Key Recovery
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:48:48 -0500 To: jya(a)jya.com From: Ed Stone <estone(a)synernet.com> Subject: PGP/NAI merger and key recovery I received the following email from Phil Zimmermann, regarding concerns I have expressed about NAI's acquisition of TIS, a substantial contractor to the National Security Agency, and a major developer of key recovery capabilities. >> begin PRZ email<<< Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:20:34 -0800 To: estone(a)synernet.com From: Philip Zimmermann <prz(a)pgp.com> Subject: PGP/NAI merger and key recovery Cc: prz(a)pgp.com Ed, I saw your recent remarks in comp.security.pgp.discuss. I'd like to make a few points. You may quote me on this. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mergers are complex operations, especially mergers of publicly traded companies of this size. NAI and TIS will not fully close the merger deal for about 60 days. Until then, there are many policy details we cannot discuss in public. NAI has no plans to incorporate TIS's key recovery technology in any version of PGP, including our business versions. I have discussed this point with NAI management. I have not changed my political values regarding privacy and crypto. I would not have allowed the sale of my company to NAI if they were going to buy PGP in order to bury PGP, as some have feared. They bought PGP because they value the reputation that PGP has earned in the industry. They want to preserve that reputation by preserving PGP's product integrity. I plan to keep watch over PGP's product integrity for the foreseeable future. NAI plans to keep publishing our source code for peer review. Source code publication in printed books is a vital part of NAI's business strategy, especially its overseas strategy. There will be an important announcement on this subject on 20 March at CeBit in Hannover Germany. -Philip Zimmermann -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 5.5.5 iQA/AwUBNQ+RzWPLaR3669X8EQLuRwCcDowyBBr32YtbsnYSHy6clTW+7CwAnjpk KnVN0NVreBNuIOyxsAcWIb40 =vY/q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>end PRZ email<<< -- ------------------- Ed Stone estone(a)synernet.com -------------------

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Re: EMI, Van Eck, etc.
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael Graffam wrote: >Find the Unofficial Tempest Homepage (sorry, dont have the URL handy.. That's Joel McNamara's bountiful and ever-growing TEMPEST site: http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/tempest.html While the work of Markus Kuhn and Ross Anderson provide more recent unclassified information Joel has a standing request for any TEMPEST material that is created by research or liberated from tax-pits and fat corp labs. Some black stuff comes over the transom. RF and EM offensive and defensive weapons are whitehot in national security labs around the globe, and probably equally so in commercial cages where NDA transgressors are hoovering dual-usage technologies out of MOD's coffers like subway turnstile-suckers.

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PRZ comments
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> begin PRZ email<<< Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:20:34 -0800 To: estone(a)synernet.com From: Philip Zimmermann <prz(a)pgp.com> Subject: PGP/NAI merger and key recovery Cc: prz(a)pgp.com Ed, I saw your recent remarks in comp.security.pgp.discuss. I'd like to make a few points. You may quote me on this. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mergers are complex operations, especially mergers of publicly traded companies of this size. NAI and TIS will not fully close the merger deal for about 60 days. Until then, there are many policy details we cannot discuss in public. NAI has no plans to incorporate TIS's key recovery technology in any version of PGP, including our business versions. I have discussed this point with NAI management. I have not changed my political values regarding privacy and crypto. I would not have allowed the sale of my company to NAI if they were going to buy PGP in order to bury PGP, as some have feared. They bought PGP because they value the reputation that PGP has earned in the industry. They want to preserve that reputation by preserving PGP's product integrity. I plan to keep watch over PGP's product integrity for the foreseeable future. NAI plans to keep publishing our source code for peer review. Source code publication in printed books is a vital part of NAI's business strategy, especially its overseas strategy. There will be an important announcement on this subject on 20 March at CeBit in Hannover Germany. -Philip Zimmermann -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 5.5.5 iQA/AwUBNQ+RzWPLaR3669X8EQLuRwCcDowyBBr32YtbsnYSHy6clTW+7CwAnjpk KnVN0NVreBNuIOyxsAcWIb40 =vY/q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>end PRZ email<<< -- ------------------- Ed Stone estone(a)synernet.com ------------------- I'm just curious, and no offense intended, but Phil's signature is bad in the signed message. I'm using PGP 5.55, and it has his key in it, and it doesn't check out. "Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'".......

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Consolidate Debts, Home Improvements
by inquiry＠asset-max.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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interNIC is a bunch of fuckwads... (fwd)
by Ken Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:19:15 -0800 (PST) From: Christian Hedegaard <chs(a)silcon.com> To: dc-stuff(a)merde.dis.org Cc: kemkidd(a)clearink.com Subject: interNIC is a bunch of fuckwads... A friend of mine put in a request to reg "pimpshit.com" the other day but it was DENIED by interNIC because it was deemed "innapropriate".. WHAT THE FUCK? lets see, fucker.com *isn't* innapropriate? assmaster.com isn't? what the hell crawled up their asses and died? why is a commercial corporation running the internet? why is free speech being taken away by these fuckwads? let me guess, they also will support CDA2. and any other censorship bullshit that our government tries to "protect us" with? goddamnit,. people should be able to reg whatever the fuck they want. from pussy.org, to nigger.com... I don't give a fuck if it's offensive to me or anybody, people should still have that very simple right. so, does anyone know what the story is? is interNIC going to refuse re-registration for such names as fucker.com nigger.com pussy.com etc...? or are they just refusing new registration with "innapropriate" stuff? They'd better refuse re-registration, otherwise it's totally unfair to EVERYBODY... hell, they're already being unfair to everybody.. fuckers. -- ICQ: 8141565 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's yet another in a long series of diversions in an attempt to avoid responsibilty" -Chris Knight, "Real Genius" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Out the SPARC, through the router, down the fiber, off another router, down the T3, past the firewall... nuthin but NET" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: PRZ comments
by jim＠mentat.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Somebody quoted PRZ's message about the NAI/PGP/TIS merger deal, which puts to rest for now some of <my> concerns about the weird juxtaposition of companies, anyway. He didn't address the issue of NAI becoming a KRAP again. Anonymous quoted: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ... > announcement on this subject on 20 March at CeBit in Hannover Germany. > > -Philip Zimmermann > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- and then s/he said: > I'm just curious, and no offense intended, but Phil's signature is > bad in the signed message. I'm using PGP 5.55, and it has his key > in it, and it doesn't check out. "Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'"....... Just a formatting problem. If you put a space before the "-Philip" the message checks just fine. There are several other copies of the message posted around the Web already with the correct formatting, and the other one I checked had the spacing right already (which is how I knew where to look on this copy). See, for example, the copy at http://jya.com . Jim Gillogly

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Re: interNIC is a bunch of fuckwads... (fwd)
by Eric Tune 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >A friend of mine put in a request to reg "pimpshit.com" the other day but >it was DENIED by interNIC because it was deemed "innapropriate".. > >WHAT THE FUCK? lets see, fucker.com *isn't* innapropriate? assmaster.com >isn't? what the hell crawled up their asses and died? why is a >commercial corporation running the internet? why is free speech being >taken away by these fuckwads? let me guess, they also will support CDA2. >and any other censorship bullshit that our government tries to "protect >us" with? > >goddamnit,. people should be able to reg whatever the fuck they want. from >pussy.org, to nigger.com... I don't give a fuck if it's offensive to me or >anybody, people should still have that very simple right. > >so, does anyone know what the story is? is interNIC going to refuse >re-registration for such names as fucker.com nigger.com pussy.com etc...? >or are they just refusing new registration with "innapropriate" stuff? >They'd better refuse re-registration, otherwise it's totally unfair to >EVERYBODY... hell, they're already being unfair to everybody.. > >fuckers. > Don't that just suck... I was a bit pessimistic about finding fucker.com, but lo and behold, there it was, www.fucker.com ...talk about bullshit. If they will register this, they should register "pimpshit.com" too. Talk about "selective memory loss"...sheesh. I'm heading to their site (internic) to bitch about their selective and prejudicial policy "change"... Eric J. Tune paladin(a)lvcablemodem.com PGP 5.55 and 2.62 keys available upon request. DO NOT EXPORT STRONG CRYPTO BELOW...OH NO! print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"| dc`

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PRZ 'corrections'
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous (from anon(a)anon.efga.org) wrote: > Anonymous (from this-will-bounce(a)zoom.nu) wrote: > > I'm just curious, and no offense intended, but Phil's signature is bad > > in the signed message. I'm using PGP 5.55, and it has his key in it, > > and it doesn't check out. "Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'"....... > You took out the space before "-Philip Zimmermann". Put it back as it > was originally and the signature verifies fine: I'm getting mighty tired of the anonymous motherfuckers posting through efga.org interfering with the attempts of the anonymous saints posting through the other anonymous remailers to spread CSM (Cluelessness, Stupidity and Misinformation) throughout the Internet. Remember: "If you're not living in space, you're taking up too much of the edge." ~ No Beer

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Re: PRZ comments
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 3/18/98 3:30 PM, Anonymous (this-will-bounce(a)zoom.nu) passed this wisdom: > >>> begin PRZ email<<< > >Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:20:34 -0800 >To: estone(a)synernet.com >From: Philip Zimmermann <prz(a)pgp.com> >Subject: PGP/NAI merger and key recovery >Cc: prz(a)pgp.com > >Ed, I saw your recent remarks in comp.security.pgp.discuss.I'd like >to make a few points. You may quote me on this. > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 The signature fails .... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNRCH4T7r4fUXwraZAQEGuAf/SkPKROnsZpZnLfZQ5uiT5RwBw2RTNeky gKEGXOlTFrDRHq00qm5xovXp7Oohw0JsqthwkVHiLLAPHJWEVtjzhgV0B291gF1p 2w/giHj6yl8sh1gExjLqb7Xe+NH3xy3myan6vCNFzcn2GG9QIIBZjEpg/noYt4GI 2mgFcauYk9mNBKi1AWJprz5O7ZS9oF/Q8om9K+CVS5ejCQXQCeeIy82hBE5Dlglg nk00fyiC9mImJo6ZdSGAM4OG7d5LiHZ4s5ZKCxai/Bf03YSm8fByEUsSLnDVmjyd xRGzpQhawCbvr6EQ0X1lPMiB36VnBp5I/sPLjm0OnuBAOOzwXUvtDw== =TkXG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "May God stand between you and harm, in all the empty places where you must walk." - Susan Ivonava, Babylon 5

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Fuck U Dickwads wrote: > > Those reporters who step outside of the scratch-and-sniff mentality > that guarantees a large pay-per-sniff audience of rubberneckers are > asking questions that have to do with access to 'National Security' > matters (deemed important enough to destroy the Constitution over) being > granted to individuals whose main qualification seems to be a great > set of hooters, or a sizeable donation to the correct political party. I count on TruthMonger as -my- mainstream news source. I'llKissYouOnTheLipsButIWon'tPutMyTongueInYourMouthMonger

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Re: Software license detector vans
by The Spectre 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 20:44 3/18/98 -0500, you wrote: >Standard UPS's do not operate with their batteries "on-line" but in >standby mode. Because of this you do not get any of the filtering affect >from the batteries. You can get good "online" UPS's with gel-cell battery >banks but they cost $$$. Look at some of the companies that service the >telcom industry providing UPS for switchrooms. Line conditioning on the >standard UPS's (PC Decsktop grade) is medeocere at best and are designed >for leveling out power fluctuations not for filtering data leakage. > >If Tempest is a serious concern I recomend a dual battery bank so one bank >can be charging while the other is in use. Physicial disconnects on both >battery banks between the computer and between outside power grid to >insure physicial issolation durring operations. While I agree with you in that total security is only possible if you completely isolate the system, I think that the original person posting wasn't referring to the batteries, but rather the conditioning that is going on inside the UPS. Any decent ups will put the incoming power through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming power, and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get through. It stands to reason that these filters would work in reverse, since they are AC filters. Most AC circutry works equally well in reverse as forward. DC circuitry would probably filter out noise equally as well since it simply won't work in reverse for the most part, it'll simply resist any reverse current until it blows. Of course, I make no claims about noise that the transformer itself may make while it does it's filtering that someone might be able to use to determine what was filtered out. -The Spectre [SP4 w/ Clam Cluster] -http://www.anthrax.net/cos "No man is clever enough to know all the evil he does." - La Rochefoucauld

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MISTY1 and MISTY2
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

MISTY1 and MISTY2 operate with 64-bitplain text and cypher text blocks and is contolled by a 128-bit key. These two encryption algorithms call MISTY generically.

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Re: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-18 22:53:53 EST, anon(a)anon.efga.org writes: << I count on TruthMonger as -my- mainstream news source.>> Who's that, the "TruthMeister? (Rush Limbaugh)" You would, you're an idiot (any person who counts on any one person as the only source of news, is an idiot). Stan

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-18 23:54:33 EST, spectre(a)anthrax.net writes: << ... Any decent ups will put the incoming power through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming power, and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get through. ... >> BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the initial spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming power lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late. My suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you anticipate a need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of black-out (and screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your power supply to do that for you.) Stan

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JDesignerPro 2.5 just released
by Tristan Muller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Data Fellows Introduces the Security Solution for Corporate Networks - VPN+
by Mia Westerholm 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Data Fellows Ltd. Media Release For immediate release 19 March 1998 DATA FELLOWS INTRODUCES THE SECURITY SOLUTION FOR CORPORATE NETWORKS F-Secure VPN+ offers worldwide strong security for all aspects of todays networking ESPOO, FINLAND -- Data Fellows Ltd., a leading software development company known for its F-Secure anti-virus and cryptography products, has today introduced F-Secure VPN+, a complete security solution for all enterprise networking. F-Secure VPN+ is the successor of the award winning F-Secure VPN, an encrypting router that enables one to build a virtual private network over the Internet using strong cryptographic security. Now the F-Secure VPN+ product family is going one step further by facilitating the security integration of small sites and independent workstations to the corporate network. The extended corporate network may include corporate sites, partners or distributors, remote offices and even laptops. F-Secure VPN+ consists of three products: F-Secure VPN+ Gateway, F-Secure VPN+ Client (for the desktop), and F-Secure VPN+ Server. These components can be combined to build a variety of secure virtual private networks that cover all aspects of corporate networking. Such VPNs include the following: - Business VPN+: provides a cost-effective security solution for intranet connections between corporate sites. In-corporate communication can be encrypted with powerful F-Secure VPN+ Gateways regardless of the network technology. - Partner VPN+: offers strong authentication and filtering capabilities for extranet connections between an organization and its partners, subcontractors, or distributors. It keeps unwanted users out and facilitates secure communication no matter where the data goes to. - Remote Office VPN+: supports telecommuting as a method of working. 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US court system
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Guys When Sandia assigned me to break locks for the FBI/Engineering Research Facility, project leader Peter Hamilton told me that if we got caught there were judges who would help us. I was not sure that I believe Hamilton then. I do now. Morales and I signed and mailed the petition for writ of prohibition on the 18th bill

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Re: Your Request for information on JDesignerPro from BulletProof, Corp
by Soft Export- Nancy Matte' 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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G8 action plan on online anonymity?
by ulf＠fitug.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Apparently restrictions on online anonymity have been discussed at the meeting of the Justice and Interior Ministers of the G8 in Washington, Dec 8--12, 1997 on "high-tech and organized crime". >From Janet Reno's press release <URL: http://www.usdoj.dov/opa/pr/1997/December97/518cr.html>: "each nation has committed to develop faster ways to trace attacks coming through computer networks, so that we can quickly identify the hacker or criminal who is responsible." What are these fast ways to trace attacks? Did the ministers also discuss anonymous speech? Anyone have the full text of the declaration and the action plan?

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A little Paranoid, William?
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Their paranoia is something else that shows you who they are ("Know-nothings") - In a message dated 98-03-19 07:25:54 EST, whgiii(a)invweb.net writes: << -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNREBTo9Co1n+aLhhAQE0tAP9GR39xeKrtAYRc31BjhjC6EGRqOI46we0 NFBwTWXX6saynTvEo4gdk35Kko9W/cEKAxNsOmjDz8zsFaCX0LJNtzzcVai6g7/t o8GLb/PbDv3i1rMw/1vJqyvMH6D2d3IuIQvUFg0luNeHnSxUT+cze1r4moeHw+Fj yTDV7hk+lb4= =cOih -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>

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Re: UPSs
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 05:36:18 EST, jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu writes: << How many times have you been struck by lightning, Stan? The effects are showing... >> That, my fellow cypherpunks, was known as a 'ad hominem' attack (an attack on (supposed) character, because Ken Williams is too STUPID (after all, he's a "Know-nothing") to be able to attack what I've said.) Stan

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Re: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
by StanSquncr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 98-03-19 05:11:50 EST, jkwilli2(a)unity.ncsu.edu writes: << Well, Stan, all of the news you read ultimately comes from the one person selected by Clinton to drive The Propoganda Machine up in Washington, DC. >> And what planet do you live on? Stan

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