December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If man were meant to clone, he'd have twins. - Anon

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Just Released! 16 Million!
by Friend＠public.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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They also had many program "generated" email addresses like Compuserve, MCI, ANON's, etc. This causes a tremendous amount of undeliverables, and for those that use Stealth programs, clogs up servers quickly with trash, etc. We then ran a program that contained 150+ keywords to remove addresses with vulgarity, profanity, sex-related names, postmaster, webmaster, flamer, abuse, spam, etc., etc. Also eliminated all .edu, .mil, .org, .gov, etc. After that list was run against the remaining list, it reduced it down to near 16 million addresses! So, you see, our list will save people hundreds of dollars buying all others that are out there on CD and otherwise. Using ours will be like using the 100+ million that we started with, but a lot less money and alot less time!! We also purchased Cyber-Promos ($995.00) CD. We received it just prior to finishing production work on the new CD. We had our people take a random sample of 300,000 addresses from the touted 2.9 that they advertised. 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Future War on TDC this Sunday
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Just saw an add for Future War on The Discovery Channel this Sunday evening. It is supposed to discuss the impact of global television as the primary weapon in the warfare of tomorrow. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Email your AD to 57 MILLION People ONLY $99
by 93157112＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Global market going to the bears? [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Managers worldwide say they are losing confidence in equities, buying > bonds > > January 12, 1998: 1:48 p.m. ET > > Mutual Funds Guide > More related sites... LONDON (Reuters) - Fund managers worldwide are > increasingly pessimistic about economic and corporate earnings growth, > according to investment bank Merrill Lynch's monthly Gallup Global > Survey released on Monday. > [INLINE] "Managers are downgrading their forecasts for earnings per > share and at the same time this bearishness for equities makes them > want to buy bonds," Merrill Lynch global strategist Bijal Shah told > Reuters Financial Television. "They are saying this weakness in > activity means that inflation is not going to pick up and bond prices > should rise." [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: (eternity) mailing list and activity
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 11 Jan 1998 18:48:24 -0600, Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> wrote: >Wei Dai suggested that documents should be secret split in a redundant >fashion so that say 2 of 5 shares are required to reconstruct the >document. If the shares are distributed across different servers, >this ensures that one server does not directly hold the information. What prevents the operator of such a server from being charged with "conspiracy to provide child porn" or whatever? If he is holding a portion of such contraband, isn't he as liable as if he was holding the whole article(s)? -- Phelix

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >You're missing my point. If the society would benefit from a certain behavior, >it should not rely on coercion, but use economic motivation to encourage it. >Clearly NSF doesn't work any better than NEA. ........................................................................ Nah, I saw your point, but just forgot to mention it. I do agree with you, except a bit with the part about the source of encouragement (of course, I would agree against bringing coercion into the picture, banish the thought). To be even more precise about this, it is the ones in society whom you might imagine should provide 'encouragement', or 'incentivization', who need to develop an appreciation and recognition for certain values, since they're aiming for real benefits. Creative, inventive people don't really need that much motivation, but it's their potential market who could stand to 'graduate towards the light', so to speak. Then there would exist more educated, seeking, paying, clients/investors. In any case the creative types still have to, like most all other enterprises, search for the right market, the willing investor, the interested customer/client. It's a great thing that the net can now bring these two more easily together, helping each to find the other. Even if they still can't trust each other, but must resort to lawyers to keep things clear & clean and moral. (smiley) .. Blanc

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Trust through anonymity; time vaults
by Kay Ping 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Trust and anonymity may seem to be in contradiction but I intend to show how anonymity can be used to achieve trust. At the base of any cryptographic system is a trust model and it can only be as strong as the assumptions made by the trust model. Of special interest to us are distributed trust models. This posting was sent through a chain of remailers. I do not need to trust any of them completely, just assume that the chances that all of them are colluding or have been compromised by an attacker are low. Other types of services requiring a server infrastructure can be implemented using distributed trust models. For example, I can submit a document to be timestamped by several servers. Someone checking the validity of the combined timestamps can have higher assurance that the timestamp has not been generated by collusion between the document owner and the timestamping service or by a compromised timestamper key. Another type of service which can use a distributed trust model is a digital time vault which will be described later. One of the problems with distributed trust is reliability. A service can be interrupted by any of the servers going down. The overall reliability goes down exponentially with the number of servers. This can be solved for some types of services by using a secret-splitting algorithm requiring a minimum of N out of M parts. A user can select values of N and M that satisfy both his reliability requirements and his paranoia. But some are more paranoid than that. It may take a very large number of unrelated servers around the world to earn their trust and an even larger number to get acceptable reliability. To those I propose the following idea: Some of the servers will be anonymous. If they don't know each other, they can't collude. If they are anonymous it will be hard for an attacker to know which machine to break into. One of the problem with this approach is that an opponent with sufficient resources can set up a large number of anonymous servers and hope that a user chooses a set of servers of which at least N are under his control. If the user chooses a combination of anonymous and well-known servers he gets good protection against this scenario. Even if all the anonymous servers are run by <pick your favorite three letter acronym agency> it is unlikely that they will collude with servers run by, let's say, well-known remailer operators in other countries. Anonymous server operators may try to collude but selfishness will stand in their way: even if N-1 servers revealed their parts of the secret, the last one can always refuse to cooperate and use the information, so none of them has an incentive to reveal his part in the first place. Simultaneous secret trading protocols will not help- they cannot guarantee that a valid secret is contained in the message. The only way to get selfish operators to cooperate is using zero-knowledge proofs of their secrets. Zero-knowledge proofs work only for specific types of secrets. It may be possible to use secrets for which zero-knowledge proofs do not work. The specific service I had in mind for this distributed trust model is a digital time vault. It allows a sender to encrypt a message which can only be decrypted after a certain date. This is done by having a server generate secret/public key pairs for future dates, publish all public keys at once and publish the private key for each date at that date. Only after that date the message can be decrypted. For reliability and security the message (or the session key) can be split and encrypted it to the public keys of "next Friday" published by several different servers. This service can be used to send a public message that can only be read after a certain date, without any action required by the sender at that date. This may be useful if the sender suspects that he may be under arrest, dead or otherwise uncapable of getting online at the target date. Another possible use for this service is to destroy information to protect yourself against threats or court orders and still be able to recover it at a later date. Even if you don't actually do it, the existence of the service gives you plausible deniability. Many types of secret information are only secret for a limited time - until an announcement is made or a deal is signed. Encrypting a message to a future date as well as the intended recipient allows storing the message in an unsecured archive for later reference. This service can be implemented using existing software like PGP without secret splitting algorithms: a conventional encryption passphrase is encrypted to several different chains of public keys of the same date on different servers, using combinations that create the same N out of M result. Since the time servers do not receive any information or participate in the process in any way they will not generate any significant load except during initial key generation. They can also be kept anonymous very easily and cannot be held accountable for anyone's use of the service. The servers will still attract attacks. Anonymous servers will get some protection against this since their location is not known. Public servers can protect themselves by encrypting future private keys to future date keys on other servers and keep encrypted backups off-site. This should be done carefully to ensure that future keys will not be lost because of loops or servers going down. Anyone wants to run such a service? You can run either an anonymous or public server. You should run a public server only if you think your reputation is good and you public key is trusted by many people. If you want to run an anonymous server generate a new key without email or any other identification except a pseudonym for the server. You must commit to maintaining the service for a minimum period and publish all the private keys for which you published the initial public keys, but never before their time. The trial period for this service will be three months and the interval will be one week, posted at midnight on the beginning of the week, GMT. Date keys must be signed by the server key. Date private keys must have an empty passphrase so they can be used by anyone after they are published. Until then they should be secured for storage. Date Key IDs consists of a date in YYYYMMDD format followed by the server name. The name may be followed by an optional email address of the maintainer. For the trial period keys should be published to alt.privacy.anon-server and the list. Lists of public keys and past private keys should be available through http, ftp or finger. If you run an anonymous server you may ask someone, preferably a maintainer of a public server, to get your lists and make them available. The trial will let us experiment with this trust model and see if anyone thinks of interesting ways to use the service. - ----------------- Kay Ping nop 'til you drop finger kping(a)nym.alias.net for key DF 6D 91 18 A6 59 41 96 - 89 01 69 B7 9D0 4 AE 53 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: cp850 iQEPAwUBNLnGZRHPAso8Qp7tAQHnkwfQ9BpL82R1Mw1WY9EnOaFuXme+2y+OZZ60 Cb41fVtlSDC9EmAjAuV9K1dDP7FVGwFzGQ5j04IjgLocMbUgEyZDkKoFhe2Hgasw XU2ick5adCsvA8I0USfMVeQj2L6tkzc+hr4l9NXH7AGEQQGZu2iZTlDNn72FNBeo 7gPjxj8/a/T2+zKMyJbS2ujYa4ZBuypXpQg2UaQ42m1uKUz/ymJFXcm51X1Do3hJ TC2tvIST+v/cfYesblhAR1kRVAiKL+YUagLeWMU1I5X64E2MKVctOiPWBSHCLgQ0 LKtrwIHIvrIP2z0FMquR5GricvrLdFid89vtZFb1n8quQg== =uVxx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: (eternity) mailing list and activity
by Robert A. Costner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:52 AM 1/12/98 GMT, phelix(a)vallnet.com wrote: >What prevents the operator of such a server from being charged with >"conspiracy to provide child porn" or whatever? If he is holding a portion >of such contraband, isn't he as liable as if he was holding the whole >article(s)? In the US, the remaining provisions of the CDA would shield an ISP from prosecution concerning child porn. In fact most everything but intellectual property cases, which may be shielded by other means. If the eternity server acts merely as a pipeline, without the operators participating or encouraging illegal activities, then there is a good chance that the eternity server could be treated as a service provider in the same fashion and be immune from prosecution directly. -- Robert Costner Phone: (770) 512-8746 Electronic Frontiers Georgia mailto:pooh@efga.org http://www.efga.org/ run PGP 5.0 for my public key

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confidential report
by 34er5dd＠ameritech.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Win Property! (just like Spitfire Grill!) Win a 16-ROOM MOTEL on the OREGON COAST! --or-- Win a Tavern/Town in Austin, OREGON (see below)
by westcomm＠teleport.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: More on the DES II contest.
by Thomas Womack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>My greatest fear with DES II is that if d.n finds the key >early in the search, they may decide to sit on it until >just before the 540 hour deadline. If they are the only >group with a credible chance of finding the key (as far as >I know, this is the case), then their payback is maximized >by by this tactic, since the time limits for the June >contest are determined by the speed with which the key is >found in January. But the question is one of how fast the key-search can be made, not of when the key would be found - and I though the d.n website displayed a figure for keys-per-second. That it takes the network not very long to find the DES key 0x0809182395f8ee isn't a very interesting piece of data; the keys-per-second figure is more useful. Tom

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Re: Eternity Services
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 1/11/98 6:35 PM, David Miller (dm0(a)avana.net) passed this wisdom: >There is one thing that comes to mind that was just a topic covered >on this list and that is the use of cellular/wireless/RF/ham for >connections to said machines. > >Obviously, this would make seizure more difficult (and perhaps >increase the likelyhood of prior warning, if for example, cellular >service was suddenly cut off). > >I am currently studying some parallels between the established FCC >tolerance of ham radio self-regulation vis-a-vis anonymous >remailers. I haven't yetdrawn up my opinions, as they are still >being formed. I think that this might be one avenue to look down as >there is obviously a type of legal precident in what is >allowed/tolerated under obvious FCC jursidiction, whereas the >jurisdiction over IP is obviously still ambiguous. On the surface there would appear to be some parallels worth thinking upon with regard to ham/FCC. but the ham radio community for the most part qualifies under the category of 'sheeple'. Separate out the hotheads and idiots and you have a handful of forward thinkers who want to try to push the envelope held back by the vast majority of reactionaries. Even when the forward thinkers want to push the envelope within the rules, not even asking for relaxed or waived rules, they react with 'this is not the way we have always done it.' The FCC and the Washington establishment is well aware of this and that is why they more or less leave hams alone to regulate their own quiet little tea party. I cannot see the FCC looking kindly on the use by hams or establishment of a Citizen's Radio Data Service (as has been proposed several times through the years) to establish a secured delibrately obscured data network. As far as hams are concerned they are limited, right off the bat, by regulations prohibiting use of 'codes or encipherment whose purpose is to obscure the meaning of the message(data).' The ham self-regulation may be a precedent, but I don't think it would provide any leverage on this matter. Of course, there is always steganograpy ... one man's GIF is another mans data. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNLokrj7r4fUXwraZAQFbWAf9GtQyI1PSRO8H4Iyb5Wp4xrWzMKbZuIHx rdQtM3wEjL0l64u5gCFb082GDZWYJcj0wcehaLMn9BOp8QrooiGv9XstHqlHNYjL /0dLTS4CT/qKkUl/68yqjB5i1KbDip1cO74dCcBVt/8G1S3IcjAGYP1V3nJtxwJ6 GlLjel9qQW4zzvnBOtQiD7HzU6V2FK5lIMa87zfuNvcREdlfyHG1L169sSq5CZEU XT7HGxrXsmfnolgFPMqVrcIYlccc+m6vx6MmPY8XIM7vU1ybDk9wDC75Eg2aSZVw 5fQn6CogpnootVHczSog3xg3RDZkgmm0xhArbBdBNjopxScEUvIjFg== =m+3f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn." -Alvin Toffler

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera) This remailer list is somewhat phooey. Go check out http://www.publius.net/rlist.html for a good one. Last update: Thu 23 Oct 97 15:48:06 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ------------ 5:03:45 99.86% nym config(a)nym.alias.net +*#**#**### :34 95.82% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org #*##*+#**** 2:00 95.44% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +++ ++++++* 19:18 95.27% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de -- ---+--- 2:34:19 95.16% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net *++***+ ++ 11:26 95.11% replay remailer(a)replay.com **** *** 10:06 94.93% arrid arrid(a)juno.com ----.------ 8:50:34 94.41% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org --------- 3:38:29 93.53% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org + +*+*+*+ 16:32 92.80% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca + +*-++++ 24:14 92.79% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -..-..---- 9:59:18 92.22% neva remailer(a)neva.org ------****+ 1:03:02 90.39% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com 4:58:22 -36.97% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net 1:01:28 -2.65% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Service denial attacks on Eternity
by Ross Anderson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > It is also likely in the extreme that a working Eternity service will > quickly be hit with attackers of various sorts who want to test the limits > of the service, or who want such services shut down. Exactly. When I first talked about Eternity, which was at either the 1994 or 1995 protocols workshop, I was walking back to my seat when Bob Morris (then at the NSA) said, from behind his hand in a stage whisper, `Kiddyporn!' Adam Back added: > the spooks / feds have a history of posting their own child porn if > none is available to seize Indeed, and a decade or so ago there was a scandal when it turned out that the spooks were using the Kincora Boys' Home in Belfast as a pedo brothel in order to entrap various local politicians. For them to say now that they need key escrow to suppress Kiddyporn is a bit rich! However the main threat is the court order - Anton Pillar or whatever - and the best weapon against court orders is anonymity. If they don't know your address they can't serve you the order or arrest you for contempt. Tom Womack: > I can imagine *use* of the service becoming a felony I mentioned in the paper that Mossad might deny Eternity service to the Muslim world by posting something rude about the Prophet Mohammed. One must of course create a lawful excuse for people to have Eternity software mounted on their system. Maybe in addition to the `public' Eternity service we should have many corporate or even private services, many of which have escrow capabilities and are thus clearly law-abiding and accountable :-) There are many other possibilities. One topic that oozes into my consciousness from time to time is that one might integrate covert communications and storage with an anti-spam mail program - maybe a natural way forward if Adam hides Eternity traffic in spam! Tim again: > Great idea, but where are the customers? Some 90% of security research effort is on confidentiality, 9% on authenticity and 1% on availability. Corporate infosec expenditures are exactly the other way round, and tools to enable disaster recovery databases to be spread holographically over a company's PCs could save a fortune compared with the cost of some current arrangements. If a few of these backup resources have hidden directories that mount the public Eternity service, then who can tell? At the Info Hiding Workshop at Portland in April, I will present a new idea which may facilitate such implementations of Eternity. This is the Steganographic File System - designed to provide you with any file whose name and password you know. If you don't know this combination, then you can't even tell that the file is there. We do not need to make any assumptions about tamper resistance; it can be done using suitable mathematics. (This is joint work with Roger Needham and Adi Shamir.) Ross PS: we need a better word for `eternityspace', and Bell Labs have already trademarked `Inferno'. So what - Nirvana? Valhalla?

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Clinton in Texas last Friday (1/9/98, 6 pm CST)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[...] And I want you to see your dreams and your life against a larger landscape of America's dream and America's life. We already have one foot in the 21st century, and it's a time that will be very, very different from the immediate past. How will it be different? Well, you know and you see and you feel it here in Texas. First of all, there will be the phenomenon of globalization - people and products and ideas and information will move rapidly across national borders - both the borders that touch us like Texas and Mexico, and the borders that are beyond the oceans that require us to fly or to communicate in cyberspace. Secondly, there is a phenomenal revolution in information and science and technology. Not only can children in Houston communicate with children in Australia on the Internet, or go into libraries in Europe to do research, but the very mysteries of the human gene are being unraveled now in ways that offer breathtaking possibilities, to preserve the quality and the length of human life, to fight back disease, and to bring people together at a higher level of humanity than we've ever known. That's all very encouraging. [...]

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College freshmen political interest at a nadir [CNN] (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From owner-austin-cpunks(a)ssz.com Mon Jan 12 13:31:10 1998 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199801121930.NAA22376(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: College freshmen political interest at a nadir [CNN] To: cypherunks(a)ssz.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:30:47 -0600 (CST) Cc: austin-cpunks(a)ssz.com (Austin Cypherpunks) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2144 Sender: owner-austin-cpunks(a)ssz.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: austin-cpunks(a)ssz.com Forwarded message: > POLITICAL INTEREST AMONG COLLEGE FRESHMEN AT NEW LOW > > Graphic January 12, 1998 > Web posted at: 1:37 p.m. EST (1837 GMT) > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- It is not easy peddling politics on a college > campus nowadays. Even talking about the issues is a turnoff, > according to a nationwide survey of freshmen. > > An annual study by the University of California, Los Angeles, for > the Washington-based American Council on Education found a record > low number of college freshmen showing much interest in politics. > > Just 27 percent of the nation's 1.6 million freshmen believed that > keeping up with political affairs is a very important life goal, > less than half the percentage recorded in 1966. Just 14 percent said > they frequently discussed politics, down from 30 percent in 1968. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Economic spies increase US activity [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > ECONOMIC SPIES INCREASE ACTIVITY IN U.S. > > Economics Graphic January 12, 1998 > Web posted at: 11:38 a.m. EST (1638 GMT) > > LOS ANGELES (Reuters) -- Governments of at least 23 countries > including Germany, Russia, China, France and Israel have stepped up > their economic espionage against U.S.-based companies, the Los > Angeles Times, quoting the FBI, reported Monday. > > The newspaper said a new survey conducted by the American Society > for Industrial Security estimated that intellectual property losses > from foreign and domestic espionage may have exceeded $300 billion > in 1997 alone. > > More than 1,100 documented incidents of economic espionage and 550 > suspected incidents that could not be fully documented were reported > last year by major companies in a survey conducted by the society, > The Los Angeles Times said. It said it had obtained results of the > survey which was scheduled to be released Wednesday. > > A 1996 Economic Espionage Act makes theft of proprietary economic > information in the United States a felony punishable by a $10 > million fine and 15-year prison sentence. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Attn: Jeremy Day - your nameserver isn't working...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I received traffic from a 'Jeremy Day' in the process of attempting a reply I find his nameserver is not responding. Forwarded message: > From jeremy(a)servers.toh Mon Jan 12 13:52:35 1998 > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:20:46 +0000 ( ) > From: Jeremy Day <jeremy(a)servers.toh> > To: ravage(a)ssz.com > Subject: Re: A further thought on free markets & anarchy... > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980112190746.17818A-100000(a)fnord.servers.toh> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII As to the specific issue that Jeremy raised in his note. I have no interest in carrying on a private discussion on this topic. If you would like to re-submit your post to the CDR I will respond to the points raised publicly. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Zions Bancorp to offer Digital Certificates
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 10:47:01 -0800 (PST) From: William Knowles <erehwon(a)dis.org> To: DCSB <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> cc: DC-Stuff <dc-stuff(a)dis.org> Subject: Zions Bancorp to offer Digital Certificates Organization: Home for retired social engineers & unrepented cryptophreaks MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: William Knowles <erehwon(a)dis.org> [Techweb 1.12.98] Zions Bancorp, a $9 billion regional bank in Salt Lake City, this week will become the first financial institution to offer a service that lets organizations use digital certificates to secure internal and business-to-business communications. Digital certificates, which electronically confirm a user's identity, are generated and managed by certificate authorities. Companies can set up authorities themselves or use authorities created by third parties. Although certificate-authority services are available from technology vendors [such as GTE, IBM, and VeriSign, Zions said customers will feel more comfortable letting a bank manage their digital certificates. "Banks in the paper world already do this. They write letters of credit," said Michelle Jolicoeur, director of government implementations at Digital Signature Trust, the Zions unit that will offer the service. "Our business is trust." Digital Signature Trust has conducted pilots of its service with Utah's Department of Commerce, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and internal departments for about a year. The service uses digital certificate software from several vendors, including Certco, Entrust, GTE, VeriSign, and Xcert. Separately, Certco and Entrust will unveil new features to their certificate-authority offerings at the RSA Data Security conference in San Francisco this week. Oppenheimer Funds, which plans to implement digital certificates by midyear to bolster IT security, is investigating whether to operate its own certificate authority or to outsource. "A bank is generally going to be a more stable company," said Jim Patterson, an Oppenheimer technology vice president in Englewood, Colo. "But on the other hand, do I want a bank that I currently don't have a relationship with to know so much about me?" Still, Patterson said digital certificates will be important in business-to-business commerce and communications. "With digital certificates, I can start getting or sending requests to perform business functions over any medium I want, including the public Internet," he said. Pricing for the Digital Signature Trust service will be subscription-based and will depend on the customer's applications and number of certificates. == The information standard is more draconian than the gold standard, because the government has lost control of the marketplace. -- Walter Wriston == http://www.dis.org/erehwon/ For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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autonomous agents
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A canonical way to do implement things like remailers, eternity servers etc. is to build a distributed computation system to allow autonomous agents to be distributed across the internet. Create a market for CPU resources, bandwidth and disk-space so that the agent can pay it's way. Charge per CPU/hour, Mbit comms at given data rates and Mbyte/year storage, base it on Java as a portable network based language with code distribution support. Then let people fire off what ever they like, so long as they are paying. In this environment an eternity variant, or remailers, or anything else becomes a collection of autonomous agents which must fund their own distribution. The autonomous agents could send back profits to their creators, or use the profits to self propagate. Someone who thought up a good application, and got the economics right for their bot's buy and sell algorithms might become rich, even. I had considered that a generic perl execution system charging for resources would be useful for remailers a few years back. Java seems pretty good for this purpose also, being another portable network aware language. >From what Ryan has said his design uses markets for resources also. The question is though would you let a bot of this sort loose on your system? For agents to be able to achieve anything useful, the Java sandbox model has to be relaxed to allow the agent to make network connections to other than the machine the code was served from. Java has support for this in that signed applications are allowed to make external network connections. The problem is the flexibility would allow an autonomous agent to pay it's way in say breaking into a series of machines, and sending back obtained documents via remailer to the operator. A well funded attacker could cause lots of problems for operators. However the system as a whole is nice for our `creating lawful excuses' drive, because there are many applications which could make good use of the distributed computation system: filmatic quality image rendering computations, scientific computations, code breaking efforts, distributed web server applications. The liability questions are interesting also. If the participant in the CPU resource market is not expected to be able to vet all source code he runs, this gives the would be eternity operator a chance to distribute his risk. If the system becomes widely used, this helps protect it from attack. Adam

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autonomous agents (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:25:53 GMT > From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > Subject: autonomous agents > A canonical way to do implement things like remailers, eternity > servers etc. is to build a distributed computation system to allow > autonomous agents to be distributed across the internet. Create a > market for CPU resources, bandwidth and disk-space so that the agent > can pay it's way. Charge per CPU/hour, Mbit comms at given data rates > and Mbyte/year storage, base it on Java as a portable network based > language with code distribution support. Then let people fire off > what ever they like, so long as they are paying. Has anyone done any work that you are aware of under the Plan 9 os? With it's fundamental seperation of i/o, process, and file servers along with it's inherent bidding/scheduling mechanism it seems to me that a lot of this work has already been done. In addition there are programs that allow Linux boxes to participate as Plan 9 compliant file servers. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Talk of Banning Research into Human Cloning
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This has some tangential list relevance in that it involves the Brave New World, so to speak, of the government deciding what research is legal and what is not. Clinton is asking Congress to ban research into human cloning. Importantly, this is not a proposal to cut federal funding of such efforts, as this would be unexceptionable (except to certain obscurantists). That is, the NSF or HHS or NIH or whatever is free to not fund all sorts of research projects. (Obviously many of us would cut nearly all such funding.) No, Clinton is asking for Congress to *ban* such research, regardless of where the funding came from. "Clone a cell, go to jail." "Clinton's proposal would make illegal any attempt to create a human being using the so-called somatic cell nuclear transfer technology that produced Dolly the sheep, in which an adult cell was fused with an egg. " Though I'm not a constitutional expert, this would seem to me to be a violation of various rights. A First Amendment right to speak and publish as one wishes for one, a Fourth Amendment right against search and seizure and to be secure in one's papers, and probably more general rights that have long-held that government agents cannot tell people what books they may read, what thinking they may do, and whom they may asssociate with (if the Civil Rights Act is viewed as the unconstitutional anomaly it is). Only a very few types of research are banned. And these are all ostensibly "national security" areas. Namely, chemical and biological warfare research, heavily regulated (private companies can do such research, but only with government approval, supervision, and generally _for_ the government). And nuclear weapons research (probably as part of the Atomic Energy Act). (If anyone can think of other "bans on research," besides weapons areas, let me know.) But a ban on cloning research would not be a matter of "national security," only of ethics and religious beliefs. Whatever the arguments for banning unapproved research into CBW and nuclear weapons, banning cloning research is an entirely different set of issues. Will Congress pass such a ban? Unknown. (They didn't pass the last such ban Clinton asked for.) Will the Supreme Court hear the case if such a ban is passed and then challenged? Unknown. Any implications for crypto? If Congress can successfully make certain types of science illegal, felonizing the search for truth, why not a ban on certain types of mathematics research? --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Talk of Banning Research into Human Cloning (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 12:32:18 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Talk of Banning Research into Human Cloning > (If anyone can think of other "bans on research," besides weapons areas, > let me know.) Class 1 drugs. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Sun to fight MS w/ new workstations [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > New Unix workstations, lower pricing seen as bulwark against Microsoft > NT > > January 12, 1998: 1:11 p.m. ET > > Java goes to set-top boxes - Jan. 9, 1998 > > Sun cross-pollinates Intel - Dec. 16, 1998 > > More related sites... PALO ALTO, Calif.(Reuters) - Sun Microsystems > Inc. will launch a new line of workstations Tuesday, aiming to > challenge its rivals and blunt the spread into markets for > high-powered desktop computers used by engineers of PCs using > Microsoft Corp.'s Windows NT. > [INLINE] The new workstations are the result of a two-year effort by > Sun to design products that greatly reduce the cost of the computers > used by power-hungry engineers, while still providing the blistering > performance they demand. > [INLINE] "This is really big. We think we can create an alternative to > [PCs running] NT," Ed Zander, president of Sun Microsystems Computer > Co., the company's largest division, said in an interview with Reuters > ahead of the announcement. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Congratulations!
by nobody＠nsm.htp.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>To: Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> >cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com, abuse(a)MCI.Com, >hostmaster(a)cyber-dyne.com Ha, ha, ha! who CC'd the "Congratulations" thread to those addresses?? <LOL> (would they know how to smurf d00d?) This list gets fucking better!

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USPS loosing business to email [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > U.S. POSTAL SERVICE LOSING BUSINESS TO COMPUTERS > > e-mail vs. snail mail January 12, 1998 > Web posted at: 3:25 p.m. EST (2025 GMT) > > NEW YORK (CNN) -- The U.S. Postal Service is facing stiff > competition from computers, according to an article in the January > 19 issue of Time Magazine. > > Electronic mail could replace 25 percent of conventional mail, or > "snail mail," by the year 2000, the article said. > > The Postal Service lags behind Federal Express and United Parcel > Service in shipping packages. The latter already moves 80 percent of > the country's packages, according to the article. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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DCSB: Michael Baum; PKI and the Commercial CA
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Michael S. Baum VeriSign, Inc. PKI Requirements from a Commercial CA's Perspective Tuesday, February 3, 1997 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA Requirements for the provision of commercial certification products and services are under consideration by many companies. Similarly, efforts to regulate certification authorities (CAs) and public key infrastructure (PKI) are proliferating by many domestic and foreign governments. Underlying many of these efforts is the intention to assess and assure quality and trustworthiness, and yet the nature, scope and regime to accomplish these goals remain elusive or at least have been balkanized. This presentation will consider CA and PKI requirements from the experiences and perspective of a commercial CA. It will survey current approaches to ascertaining quality and performance as well as their limitations. It will then propose a path forward. Many of these issues are present real challenges to both the CAs and the user community. A lively dialog is welcomed. Michael S. Baum is Vice President of Practices and External Affairs, VeriSign, Inc. His responsibilities include developing practices and controls under which VeriSign conducts its public Digital ID and private label certificate operations. Mr. Baum is the Chair of the Information Security Committee, and Council Member of the Section of Science and Technology, of the American Bar Association. He is Chairman of the International Chamber of Commerce (ICC) ETERMS Working Party and a Vice Chairman of the ICC's Electronic Commerce Project, a delegate to the United Nations Commission on International Trade Law on behalf of the ICC. He is a member of various digital signature legislative advisory committees. Mr. Baum is co-author (with Warwick Ford) of Secure Electronic Commerce (Prentice Hall, 1997), author of Federal Certification Authority Liability and Policy - Law and Policy of Certificate-Based Public Key and Digital Signatures (NIST, 1994), co-author of Electronic Contracting, Publishing and EDI Law (Wiley Law Publications, 1991), and contributing author to EDI and the Law (Blenheim Online, 1989), and the author of diverse information security publications including the first American articles on EDI law. He was honored as an EDI Pioneer in 1993 (EDI Forum) and was the Recipient of the National Notary Association's 1995 Achievement Award. He is a member of the Massachusetts Bar. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, February 3, 1997, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $32.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, various A/V hardware, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men (and no sneakers or jeans), and "appropriate business attire" (whatever that means), for women. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your lunch if the Club finds you in violation of the dress code. We will attempt to record this meeting for sale on CD/R, and to put it on the web in RealAudio format, at some future date. We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, January 31st, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $32.50. Please include your e-mail address, so that we can send you a confirmation If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: March Joseph Reagle "Social Protocols": Meta-data and Negotiation in Digital Commerce April Adam Shostack Digital Commerce Security: Beyond Firewalls May Jeremey Barrett Digital Bearer Certificate Protocols We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com>. For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . We look forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3 iQEVAwUBNLutasUCGwxmWcHhAQGiBwf6A7rhL5aztElh5nDDLgGU7vjBdXuryH+x OKnzXLE5364SLIr5KoRIfjRU0WB07jtB8bKeaE9DeiZbSC5i6QODmzK3cBfljVUx Ju5pBKeTwcvVtDXzcBjB9swL2TvNtv77x7dQLitZmziMjgX2tUR1yPhdbRnsJ0kl 8kBuWl681sh3oPEq4fGXTVDcP/vx31riZkZHhVcFHG/vyfR4eUznKe0lq1L1babb mwro6uPZ0W5Sy6F9rllqdPVbXGTh6LxlGwWbcBf9oO8+D+HAZAtjNm80WhtpN8aF Kbd115jJgkxdUlBeU44gib1r2ViV0rvNBI6sW/jwyUzYGQYhnyDJpg== =2cOQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Feds to Idaho: Kiss Our Butts
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The manslaughter case against Ruby Ridge shooter Lon Horiuchi was effectively neutered today when a federal judge acquiesed to demands by Justice Department lawyers and moved the case out of Idaho's jurisdiction and into federal court. This means that Horiuchi will be tried in federal court in front of a federal jury on state manslaughter charges, and not in front of a jury from Idaho's Boundary County, where the shooting took place. This ruling, by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge, came just six days after Boundary County Magistrate Quentin Harden ordered Horiuchi to stand trial. State manslaughter charges had been filed against Horiuchi for the death of Vicki Weaver in August. The Justice Department, which has denied that Horiuchi did anything wrong, provided the lawyers who argued that any case in which federal agents are acting in their official capacity may be transferred and tried in federal court, in front of a federal jury. The trial is scheduled to begin March 10. Horiochi has continued to work for the FBI since the charges were filed. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Trial jurisdiction options
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ARTICLE III. Section 2. The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority; -- to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls; -- to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction; -- to Controversies between two or more States; -- between a State and Citizens of another State; -- between Citizens of different States; -- between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States; -- and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects. In all Cases, affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make. The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mad Vlad wants to know: >something most anarchists here will deny is the existence of something >that could be called *immoral science*. is there such a thing? ............................................................ No. There are, however, immoral scientists. One way to skew the interpretations of what you write, besides bringing up the subject of morality, is to describe things in ways which do not correspond to their actual manner of existence: "science" does not exist without those individuals who have set themselves to pursue it. They should bear the blame if they practice it immorally. You again have brought up several issues which can be examined separately and do not necessarily coexist: . being a scientist . pretending to be scientific . choosing to pursue science . being smart enough to pursue scientific research . being successful in the scientific pursuit of truths . giving a damn about the consequences of the effects of research as it affects humanity or other living things (as when it is imposed upon them) . responsibility in science . responsibility in science as practiced by mendicants of the State . the regulation of responsibility per se . the regulation of the methods of science . the support of irresponsible scientific methods, by slaves of the State . anarchist cypherpunkery I become exceedingly uncomfortable at the realization that I have to buy an astronomy magazine from the store, paying yet again for info, in order to find out some of what they're doing at NASA. To think that a responsible citizen like myself must go out searching for the info themselves, using whatever resources they can find or pay for, in order to become informed! There are all sorts of things that government employees do not "share" with those who pay the bills. There is a book in Objectivist literature which presents the idea of "context dropping", which is, that in order for some people to function as if things were normal and that what they're doing is consistent with moral principles, they must drop a part of their information out of sight, out of thought, so that their actions appear logically related and make sense - they eliminate elements from the given context, crucial essentials which make the difference in its character. People like these might practice secrecy in keeping information from others, but equally significant, they also hide things from themselves. So that's one thing which would explain some scientist's lack of moral principles in the pursuit of science. Then it must be explained why so many people aren't complaining about it. Are they insensitive to their mistreatment, sitting ducks for opportunists? Or maybe these taxpayers are equally immoral, thinking only about promised benefits, forgetting about the disadvantage of losing control over the quality of their life? It's possible for some people to override the boundaries of decency, even if they're otherwise smart enough to pursue science. But what would you expect cryptographers to do about it? .. Blanc

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Federal govt. & Science - Const. limits
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Congress has *no* authority to ban *any* scientific research. In fact they are specificaly enjoined to *promote* it. Section 8. The Congress shall have Power... [text deleted] To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; [remainder deleted] ARTICLE IX. The enumeration of the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. ARTICLE X. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: local vs remote eternity servers (Re: (eternity) Traffic Analysis)
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thomas Womack <thomas.womack(a)merton.oxford.ac.uk> writes: > >Thomas Womack <thomas.womack(a)merton.oxford.ac.uk> writes: > >> I can imagine *use* of > >> the service becoming a felony; you're therefore committing a felony > >> merely by connecting to http://www.eternity.to, and acquiring > >> evidence for that is a trivial matter of logging connections from a > >> given user. > > > >One solution is to run eternity on a web server with SSL turned on, > >and which serves lots of other data too. > > It's not completely clear that such an object would exist; in legal terms, > it would seem to be the same as a large and well-respected department store > which happens to possess and tolerate a fence for stolen property. That is, > it's an object which handles stolen property and can be shouted at loudly, > legally, and with very large sticks. Yes, but merely being seen going into this department store is you hope not grounds for prosecution. ie The flow of the discussion being that you said "you're therefore committing a felony by connecting to www.eternity.to" .. my reply being that if we can arrange that there are any number of reasons for connecting to www.eternity.to, any of which are protected by an SSL connection, that this lessens the risks of being seen connecting to said server. We can easily arrange this by offering interesting free services. Certainly turning on SSL does not protect the server operator. There server operator in your analogy was the department store owner. But we were discussing the client (the shopper)'s risks. > >The general problem with the remote server approach is that you have > >to trust the server. You could alternatively use a local eternity > >server, which is easy to do if you have a local unix machine. > > The operating system is immaterial here! Ah, not if you are talking about my eternity prototype, because it only works on the unix platform. Same for Ryan at present I think. The overloading of "eternity service" is not helping here. My point was that talking about my eternity prototype using USENET as a distribution medium, where the `eternity server' is just a convenient way to present an apparently persistent view of transient USENET articles, using a local eternity server reduces the risk of traffic analysis attack. Now all you are doing is reading news. If you already have a full USENET feed, you have no new externally observable traffic. This process would be better termed a `local eternity proxy', in that it would effectively be acting as a local web proxy process, where the eternity virtual web pages were being fetched from a local news spool by the local web proxy. > >Ideally you would like a local news feed also, so that your local > >eternity servers NNTP traffic or file system accesses to read news are > >not available to the attacker. > > That nearly makes sense - but 'running a news feed including the eternal.* > groups' can be phrased such that any sane jury takes it as 'using/running an > eternity server'. Cross-post, and / or post to random newsgroups, threshold secret split your posts so that only N of M are required to reconstruct. If you get shouted at for SPAM, steganographically encode the eternity traffic. Pornographic images in alt.binaries.* would be suitable because there are lots of those already. Because this is a publically readable message an attacker (such as Ryan's system admin he mentioned at MIT) might recognize the message based on successful stego decoding, and purge it from the news feed. We can counter this move by encrypting the original posting, and posting the decryption key a day or two later to ensure we get the full feed before anti-eternity crusaders get to work purging the eternity traffic masquerading as images. USENET carries all sorts of materials which could potentially get you in trouble. I don't know what your news feed is like, but the one at Exeter last time I looked had a healthy selection of dodgy gifs in alt.binaries.* > >Depending on your available resources, you can either operate from a > >local news feed (people are less likely to be prosecuted for the > >contents of a normal full newsfeed IMO), or have SSL access to a > >remote ISPs NNTP server. > > I suspect that, had anyone the least intention of arresting certain of my > acquaintances on a trumped-up charge, they could persuade a jury that a > 'normal' full newsfeed is sanitised, and that a newsfeed containing *warez* > or *erotica* is clearly an Evil Perversion of the Natural Law. We can't do much about the idiotic juries, and corrupt judicial systems ... `they'd indict a ham sandwich if I told them to' -- some US judge. You're probably right too. But I think we need to keep a sense of proportion about opening ourselves to having technical actions misconstrued to a clueless jury: there are easier ways to frame someone once they have decided they don't like you. To truly retain plausible deniability you need to maintain excellent plausible deniability, you have to be squeaky clean: you need to appear to be a model citizen, to not post politically incorrect opinions to non-government approved fora, etc. You must be below the radar belt, you must be essentially invisible to the government, the spooks dossier on you must read Mr Average and be entirely wholesome. Then you must have one or more alter-egos, for your real interests. > >> How can you defend against the felonisation of 'operating an Eternity > >> Server'? > > > >Operate closed eternity servers for small group only, or a local > >server for yourself or local users only. > > But wasn't the point of the eternity service that it was massively > distributed; if you're running a server for a small group consisting of > forty-nine hackers and the deputy director of the NSA going incognito, > you'll suddenly discover that all your servers have been seized, and that > men with intimidating glasses want to ask you a number of searching > questions. The surest way is to run the eternity server for yourself only. The distribution medium is massively distributed, as the distribution medium is USENET. USENET is a broadcast medium. Possibly the most secure way to create one way anonymous communications is to broadcast the messages. Tim May's BlackNet uses this approach. Eternity is doing the same thing. Adam

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load balancing web proxy and server networks
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We might also think about adding hot spot avoidance to distributed web hosting mechanisms. A distributed web space which distributed itself to meet demand would be useful. (An example of hot spots being perhaps Dan Farmer's web site after he released Satan ... he switched the web server off to stop his T1 being saturated, until the deluge subsided). An automatic load balancing distributed web server would be a kind of next generation web proxy cacheing and mirroring scheme, dynamically replicating and cacheing data to meet demand. Robustness could be improved also by the redundancy introduced. Those browsing documents would pay for their web accesses at the service rate they desired. A market in web data would then give web proxies / mirroring agents an economic incentive to automatically replicate and migrate data. Web caches already have some protection from various laws. One other idea for an eternity service host we could leach off was suggested to me by Ian Brown <I.Brown(a)cs.ucl.ac.uk>. His suggestion was that it would be nice if we could con proxy caches into cacheing eternity web space for us. One way to do this for example would be to actually host our own web pages, but to configure our web server to only serve to a list of web proxies -- anybody else would get access denied. The .htaccess mechanism would be sufficient for this purpose. Adam

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Tales of the Crypto
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tales of the Crypto U.S. government works to replace Data Encryption Standard By Jim Kerstetter, PC Week Online 01.12.98 10:00 am ET The days of DES, which for the past 20 years has been the foundation for government and commercial cryptography around the world, are numbered. The U.S. government has embarked on an expansive project to replace the Data Encryption Standard. By the end of this year, a panel of cryptographers, headed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology, is expected to pick a new cryptographic algorithm to replace DES as the government's standard. The changeover to the new algorithm, to be called the Advanced Encryption Standard, won't happen overnight. In fact, the selection process could end up taking years. But whatever AES ultimately becomes, one thing is clear: The new standard will force major change for both the IT and developer communities. Anyone selling the government software that uses encryption for security will have to support the AES algorithm, which could become the standard for decades to come. Corporations conducting secure transactions with the government over the Internet will also have to rely on software that supports AES. And, in several years, AES could replace DES for private-key encryption in most commercial security algorithms. "Right now, I'm using PGP [Pretty Good Privacy] for some things. But the bulk of what we use here is with DES," said Paul O'Donnell, security manager at an Illinois manufacturer. "Should I be paying attention to what they [NIST] are doing? I suppose so." It's a change many say is overdue. DES was developed by IBM and the government in the 1970s. It was intended to last five to 10 years, said Dennis Branstad, an early DES developer for NIST's forerunner, the Institute of Computer Sciences and Technology. "It was a good algorithm. It turned out to be better than we thought," said Branstad, now director of cryptographic technologies at Trusted Information Systems Inc., in Glenwood, Md. "But it took longer to be accepted than we thought it would. There was no demand for it." DES is a symmetric, or private, key algorithm in which both the sender and receiver of a message must have a copy of the private key. It also can be used to encrypt data on a hard disk. It is found in an array of security protocols in the corporate world, ranging from secure E-mail software to virtual private network technology. DES' 56-bit private keys were unhackable until last year, when a nationwide network of computer users broke a DES key in 140 days--hardly an easy effort, but a harbinger of things to come as processing speed increases. Some experts now argue that it could take less than a week to break DES, with less than $100,000 worth of hardware. According to John Callas, chief technology officer of the Total Network Security Division of Network Associates Inc., a good hacker, with about $50,000 worth of specialty hardware, could crack a DES key in an hour. "Anybody who can afford a BMW can afford a DES cracker," said Callas, whose hypothesis will be tested in DES Challenge II this week at the RSA Data Security Conference, in San Francisco. Since most experts agree it's time to replace DES, the question becomes, Just what will AES be? Last summer, NIST released a 30-page document outlining its recommendations for a DES replacement and asking for submissions. There are three minimum technical criteria: The algorithm must be symmetric, or private, key. Public algorithms, such as elliptic curve (see related story) and Diffie-Hellman, though useful for authentication and the initial handshake between users, are considered too slow. The algorithm must be a "block cipher." Within the realm of symmetric keys there are two basic types of ciphers, block and stream. A block cipher, like DES, encrypts specific chunks of data. A stream cipher, like RSA Data Security Inc.'s RC4 algorithm, encrypts a steady flow of information. RC4 is the base encryption engine for Secure Sockets Layer, the security technology used in browsers. Some cryptographers are pushing NIST to consider stream ciphers because of their growing popularity. The algorithm has to be capable of supporting key lengths ranging from 128 bits to 256 bits and variable blocks of data. AES must also be efficient. Triple DES, a later version of the government's algorithm also developed by IBM, is far more secure than DES, running the 56-bit encryption three times. But that strength is also its weakness, because the repetition cycle slows it down considerably. Finally, the AES algorithm has to be made public and royalty-free. That could prove to be a sticking point for RSA, of Redwood City, Calif., which has traditionally held on to the royalties of its cryptographic creations. A conference at which cryptographers will present their algorithms is scheduled for this summer. And although NIST officials hope their analysis will be completed in 1998, many think it may take years to review the submittals, which are due by April 15. Major security vendors are noncommittal on proposing an algorithm. IBM, which created DES, with help from the National Security Agency, is hedging on whether it will participate. Triple DES is considered a likely entry, but its inefficiency could make it a difficult sell. Another IBM algorithm, DES/SK, could be in the running. RSA, if it decides to enter, could submit either its RC4 algorithm (the stream cipher) or RC5, which is a block cipher. Other likely competitors include Cast, a royalty-free algorithm controlled by Entrust Technologies Inc., or the unpatented Blowfish algorithm, created by Bruce Schneier. "It will be a standard for 20 to 30 years, in legacy systems for at least another 10, securing data that might need to be secured for at least another 20," Schneier wrote in a letter to NIST. "This means we are trying to estimate security in the year 2060. I can't estimate security 10 years from now, let alone 60. The only wise option is to be very conservative." A Data Encryption Standard primer What is DES? It was designed by IBM and endorsed by the U.S. government in 1977. What kind of encryption key does DES use? A symmetric, or private, key in which both the sender and the receiver know the key. It can also be used to encrypt data on a hard disk. What key length does DES use? 56 bits. Is DES safe? For most purposes, yes. But DES was hacked for the first time last year, and cryptographers worry that improved processing speeds will spell its demise.

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HP BBS's? Telnet?
by Wardemon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone have any elite HP BBS's that I could telnet to ???? Thanks wardemon(a)erols.com

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Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 19:14:05 -0800 > From: Blanc <blancw(a)cnw.com> > Subject: Re: rant on the morality of confidentiality > >something most anarchists here will deny is the existence of something > >that could be called *immoral science*. is there such a thing? > ............................................................ > > No. There are, however, immoral scientists. According to who? The scientist who is supposedly immoral? Obviously their actions aren't against their beliefs. The observer who is claiming it is immoral because they *believe* it to be immoral? Morality is a function of human psychology and not a fundamental result of existance. The relationship is similar to that between A, T, C, G, U and the genome. > actual manner of existence: "science" does not exist without those > individuals who have set themselves to pursue it. They should bear the > blame if they practice it immorally. Who is so moral that they may decide what is immoral? If you're a Christian the answer is simple 'judge not lest ye be judged'. Jesus stopped the stonning of an adulteress by saying that he who was without sin could throw the first stone. Since he was the only one without sin (by defintion in Christianity) he should have been the one to throw the first stone. What did he do? He sent everyone home with the admonishment to sin no more. > . being smart enough to pursue scientific research It doesn't necessarily take smarts. > . being successful in the scientific pursuit of truths What truths? Science isn't involved in 'truth' let alone 'Truth'. > . giving a damn about the consequences of the effects of research as it > affects humanity or other living things (as when it is imposed upon them) So you propose that ignorance of the consequences will some how protect us? > . responsibility in science Responsibility to who? The person(s) paying the bill, your fellow scientist, the society you live in, the world you inhabit, the generations to follow? > . responsibility in science as practiced by mendicants of the State Don't confuse working for the state as something that somehow mediates the basic tenents of science. If to get the job you may have to give up some scientific practices then at that point you aren't practicing science anymore. > . the regulation of the methods of science That's easy, the theories work when applied in experiments. > I become exceedingly uncomfortable at the realization that I have to buy an > astronomy magazine from the store, paying yet again for info, in order to > find out some of what they're doing at NASA. Try: www.nasa.gov jpl.nasa.gov or simply send email to Ron Baalke at JPL (you could call him on the phone if you don't mind paying the bill) > To think that a responsible > citizen like myself must go out searching for the info themselves, using > whatever resources they can find or pay for, in order to become informed! Why do they have a responsibility to drop it on your doorstep? > There is a book in Objectivist literature which presents the idea of What book? > "context dropping", which is, that in order for some people to function as > if things were normal and that what they're doing is consistent with moral > principles, they must drop a part of their information out of sight, out of > thought, so that their actions appear logically related and make sense - > they eliminate elements from the given context, crucial essentials which > make the difference in its character. People like these might practice > secrecy in keeping information from others, but equally significant, they > also hide things from themselves. Everyone is like that. It is one of the reasons science requires public dialog on its results. You can fool some of the people most of the time, most of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time. Sooner or later somebody will notice the king (theory) is butt naked (doesn't work when applied in experiment). > It's possible for some people to override the boundaries of decency, even > if they're otherwise smart enough to pursue science. But what would you > expect cryptographers to do about it? Cryptographers are scientist also. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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HP BBS's? Telnet? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "Wardemon" <Wardemon(a)erols.com> > Subject: HP BBS's? Telnet? > Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:37:34 -0500 > Does anyone have any elite HP BBS's that I could telnet to ???? > Thanks I usualy use ftp.hp.com What version of HP/UX are you running? ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Talk of Banning Research into Human Cloning
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 1/12/98 3:32 PM, Tim May (tcmay(a)got.net) passed this wisdom: >Any implications for crypto? If Congress can successfully make >certain types of science illegal, felonizing the search for truth, >why not a ban on certain types of mathematics research? I think many of us are understandably nervous about the mistakes that could be made in the process of perfecting human cloning. But Tim's point is well taken, yet another potential 'slippery slope.' It also begs the question again of 'are we getting too paranoid?' I think the nanswer is still "no, not yet", as the Klinton administration proves to us almost every day it seems. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNLroFD7r4fUXwraZAQF9Cwf6AtGeZgKDN3nwY0FMsxoTgwXgalRmjGJT gqliyEIdYfqcQK/kGTFYvBbcGd0xl1dr+XpmJXvr7ItQ8lrsyyqEozGC2KJGYpJe 7C8nMl/nf49Pd4UcJRNZb86qAdwAB7wERW7nL8aGB5Bzm46tKEeaAS2jrzxVOgIt z7ysxDd+VNoU2czWrergrhvDjbtnXKjPVcIfwkN0M57SJgdWqIlX/fo5HLuiw8IZ i/Qg8JsLXJgnWr5ZDgrSRSNgVqmwAaV8980piBGyqY0X9ytOcYdjV197+rz55Hkh iqzIQm6aQa5BJuDy3p8B44LlICtxFB0XZP1UdgvRCbFWO3YD8P3mOA== =O6Dk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "It's what you learn after you know it all that counts" John Wooden

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Crypto Jokes
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Inspired by "Crypto Kong," contributions of crypto jokes >are requested, to enliven our Web site, which is pretty >gray these days without congressional buffoonery. Just post the contents of http://www.meganet.com/explain.htm. Those people are just plain stupid.

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news from spyking list...
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: GPS Jamming *New Scientist* (8 Jan 1998, http://www.newscientist.com) included an article saying that a Russian company called Aviaconversia was offering a 4-watt GPS/Glonass jammer for less than $4000 at the September Moscow Air Show. It says that it could stop civilian aircraft locking onto GPS signals over a 200 Km radius; military aircraft would be harder to jam, but a more powerful unit could be built. The risks (terrorism etc.) are fairly obvious, and it's mentioned that it would probably be easy to build one even if this company's product is somehow removed from the market. ************************************************************************** 21)From: SpyKing(a)thecodex.com Subject: Spying around the world Corporate Spying On The Rise In India Corporate espionage is big business in India, and because of this, Indian corporations are busy installing internal information security programs that include paper shredders, computer database password-protection, and careful security checks of new employees. Indian analysts predict that corporate counter-espionage will become mandatory at many big companies as competition among the major players heats up, even between regional businesses. NSA Monitoring Sales Of Encryption Software In July, 1995, the National Security Agency (NSA) wrote "A Study of the International Market for Encryption" which NSA official Jon A. Goldsmith declared in sworn testimony should remain secret because "in developing its portion of the study, NSA sought and received information from the Department of State, the CIA and from foreign sources." NSA acquired data for their portion of the report from its global spying programs. But in some cases, the information was obtained by the CIA and passed onto the NSA. Goldsmith noted one section of the report involved the "Proposed Netherlands Telecommunications Service Act in 1993." Goldsmith testified "The first sentence of this paragraph was supplied by the CIA and is protected." The Netherlands is a major encryption hardware and software exporter (particularly Philips). Apparently the CIA spent some monitoring the Dutch legislature to find out what kind of laws it intended to pass regarding encryption technologies. Those details found their way into the NSA's secret report. Another section of this report details the close cooperation between the NSA and foreign intelligence services. Goldsmith testified the report "References discussions between Italian officials and members of the National Security Authority regarding Law Number 222 of February 27, 1992 and is protected in its entirety..." The NSA for some time has routinely monitored foreign-produced encryption technologies and has performed daily reports on these products, in addition to how fast and how economically it can crack these products, which so far the NSA has been able to do. But, NSA officials have testified before Congress, foreign encryption software is getting increasingly more sophisticated and thus harder and more costly to break in a timely manner. Domestically, the NSA appears to be secretly keeping tabs on U.S. sales of encryption software. In the secret 1995 report there's a section titled, "Software Outlets/Computer Stores" which "Refers to a internal NSA document control number and project name..." Observers believe this project involves domestic surveillance of US retail sales of encryption software. What, how, and who is being monitored, though, is a secret. FBI Finds Files On Chinese Influence, Counterintelligence Sources Worried The FBI recently discovered new and heretofore unknown counterintelligence files in its investigation of a possible Chinese plot to influence U.S. elections. The material was found following a search FBI Director Louis Freeh ordered in September "when it became apparent the FBI was in possession of certain counterintelligence information" an FBI statement said. Sources at other agencies say they are appalled that the FBI could misplace or overlook such vital information in a major counterintelligence probe. Particularly when the probe is of a government like that of China, which is well known for spying on America and is notorious for stealing details on advanced American technologies. "Either the Bureau is inept, or something else happened here," said one counterintelligence source, who was alluding to the files possibly being been alleged in relation to White House campaign fund-raising activities). China Grooming More Spies? About 100 elite Hong Kong schools, headed by the territory's Catholic institutions, are allowed to teach all classes in English, despite the territory's return to Chinese rule. Starting with the new school term, a total of 307 of the territory's 400 schools must teach all subjects in Chinese. However, believing that their children will have better job opportunities, most parents still want English instruction for them. By the year 2000, all students will study Mandarin Chinese, the basis for nation-wide university entrance exams. Western intelligence experts believe the elite school language leniency stems from the mainland government's desire to continue the English language program to groom economic and political spies. The US State Department has identified China as the country which sends the largest number of spies to the United States and has uncovered a Chinese spy within its own ranks during 1997. Iraq's Intelligence Service Spies On UN WMD Observers Utilizing sophisticated electronic eavesdropping and other SIGINT resources, Iraqi intelligence agents have been spying on UN weapons inspectors (whose ranks reportedly include individuals collecting particular intelligence for the U.S.) and have been able to learn in advance of the UN inspection team's targets. Consequently, Iraq has been able to quickly secrete both their weapons of mass destruction and their records of manufacturing, U.S. military and intelligence officials have said. These officials suspect that some of the SIGINT capabilities of Iraq have been provided through black market channels from the Former Soviet Republics (FSR). U.S. Defense Secretary William Cohen has publicly acknowledged that the U.S. believes the Iraqis have the ability to eavesdrop electronically on the UN inspectors. In addition, Iraqi agents are suspected of conducting physical and electronic surveillance of individual UN inspection team members, including monitoring their homes. Ewen Buchanan, the spokesman for the inspection commission at UN headquarters in New York, is quoted saying "we are obviously aware that the Iraqis try their damnedest to monitor us, our planning, our thoughts, even in New York, and to develop an early warning system -- what we want, where we're going, what we are trying to inspect. They must use every means at their disposal." Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon said intelligence authorities do not believe that Saddam Hussein has managed to penetrate the UN Special Commission of weapons inspectors, known as UNSCOM, but rather they believe that "Iraq has found ways to learn ahead of time some of UNSCOM's plans," using SIGINT and other technical means. Counterintelligence Searches For North Korean Spies The Agency for National Security Planning (NSP) believes North Korea has targeted 1,500 South Koreans to establish new spy networks within South Korea. Evidence of this effort has been obtained through the investigations and arrests of alleged spies. That North Korea is bankrolling a massive spy operation against the South bolsters intelligence findings by U.S. counterintelligence sources, who say North Korea is aggressively recruiting spies in South Korea, targeting infrastructure, commerce, and technology in particular. Details on the North Korean spying activities began to emerge following the recent arrest of 69-year-old Ko Young-bok, a noted sociology professor who once worked for Seoul National University. Ko stands accused of spying for North Korea for 36 years. He was arrested after having been linked to a North Korean spy couple. During its investigation, the NSP intercepted a telephone communication Ko had received from an unidentified source immediately before his Ko had received from an unidentified source immediately before his arrest urging him to fly to Beijing and take shelter at the North Korean embassy there. The caller is believed by the NSP to be in charge of North Korean spy rings in South Korea. According to intelligence sources, few people, except for ranking North Korean spy officials, know who all the spies are in South Korea. Intelligence officials said all North Korean spies form small separate rings and contact between the different rings is limited. Earlier, Shim Jong-ung, 55, was arrested on charges of spying for North Korea. A Seoul subway official, Shim is accused of providing North Korea with information which could be used to destroy subway systems. Bok is an eminent scholar known as the father of sociology studies in South Korea, who served as director of a government research center and who made two official trips to North Korea in 1973 as a South Korean adviser. South Korean authorities assert that on those occasions he actually briefed North Korea on the South's bargaining position. The alleged spy ring was broken up when a leftist reported to South Korean authorities that he had been approached by two North Koreans and asked to spy for the North. That led counterintelligence officials to detain the two North Koreans, Choi Chung Nam, 35, and his wife, Kang Yun Jung, 28. Kang committed suicide a day later. The police had searched the two carefully for any suicide capsules, X-raying them and examining their mouths, but when Kang went to the bathroom with an escort she removed a cyanide capsule she had hidden in her vagina and killed herself with it. Choi, however, confessed and apparently led the counterintelligence agents to the North Korean spies with whom he had been in contact. He also showed them drop-off places around Seoul used to hide guns, radio transmitters and ball-point pens that shoot lethal poison Choi allegedly confessed that their mission was to recruit agents, future infiltrations, and obtain information about a new, highly productive strain of corn developed in the South. Have Pakistan Intelligence Agents Penetrated U.S. Agencies? According to fundamental Pakistani sources monitored by U.S. intelligence analysts, "trusted" "brothers" have managed to rise to crucial positions in U.S. military intelligence, and have access to details about CIA operations in the Middle East. English NSA Facility Comes Under Fire An NSA facility in Menwith Hill, England, the biggest spy station in the world capable of monitoring the communications spectrum throughout Europe, has come under British scrutiny. The European Commission has issued a report, "Assessing the Technologies of Political Control," that says the spying system, known as "Echelon," is a threat to European privacy rights and laws. European Commission spokesman, Simon Davies, said the report warns that the system can "eavesdrop on every telephone, email, and telex communication around the world." According to the report, "the Echelon system forms part of the UKUSA system but unlike many of the electronic spy systems developed during the Cold War, Echelon is designed primarily for non- military targets: governments, organizations and businesses in virtually every country. "The Echelon system works by indiscriminately intercepting very large quantities of communications and then siphoning out what is valuable using artificial intelligence aids like MEMEX to find key words." Echelon uses a number of national dictionaries containing key words of interest to each country. The Commission report was requested last year by the Civil Liberties Committee of the European Parliament. It contains details of a network of American-controlled spy stations on British soil and around the world that "routinely and indiscriminately" monitor "countless phone, fax and email messages." It states "within Europe all email telephone and fax communications are routinely intercepted by the United States National Security Agency transferring all target information from the European mainland via the strategic hub of London then by satellite to Fort Meade in Maryland via the crucial hub at Menwith Hill" in Yorkshire. The report recommends a variety of measures for dealing with the NSA facility at Menwith Hill and other centers including that "the European Parliament should reject proposals from the United States for making private messages via the global communications network Internet) accessible to US intelligence agencies. The report also urges a fundamental review of the involvement of the American NSA in Europe, suggesting that the activities be scaled down, or become more open and accountable. The report was the subject of discussion on Dec. 21 by the committee of the office of Science and Technology Assessment in Luxembourg. They confirmed that the citizens of Britain and other European states are subject to an intensity of surveillance far in excess of that imagined by most parliaments. The report was developed due to pressure by Glyn Ford. Labour MEP for Greater Manchester East, England. He says "there are times in history when technology helps democratize, and times when it helps centralize. This is a time of centralization. The justice and home affairs pillar of Europe has become more powerful without corresponding strengthening of civil liberties." The reaction of the members was one of shock and "deep concern" for the rights of European citizens even though the UK facility has been in place for over 15 years and the technology there has been an "open secret" for most of that period. Thus, the question becomes have the European governments dismissed information from their own intelligence personnel as impossible, or does this signal a new coldness in European/US relations. According to the London Telegraph, the real concern is not so much civil liberties as industrial espionage. In a Dec. 16 report it stated that "the principal motivation for this rush of development is the US interest in commercial espionage." The report pointed out that several of the facilities have been in place since the Nineteen-Fifties. The role of these NSA sites was to provide military, diplomatic and economic intelligence by intercepting communications from throughout the Northern Hemisphere. When the British Parliament has questioned new eavesdropping developments over the past 40 years, secrecy issues have generally been invoked. With treaties and agreements with other European countries, these concerns are not likely to block future investigations by the European Parliament and other E. U. groups. France and Germany are particularly expected to pursue the issues raised based on concerns about industrials spying. Last year, several American agents were expelled from France on charges of economic espionage. Whether the impetus for the European report was concern for civil rights or over trade secrets, the results may be that we in the US will be better informed of what the NSA is doing at home and how our own rights have been treated by an organization which has the motto: "We don't talk, we listen."

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Re: Talk of Banning Research into Human Cloning (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 06:10:14 +0100 (MET) > Subject: Re: Talk of Banning Research into Human Cloning > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > > Though I'm not a constitutional expert, this would seem to me to be a > > violation of various rights. A First Amendment right to speak and publish > > as one wishes for one, a Fourth Amendment right against search and seizure > > Actually, not at all. > > There is no ban on publishing information on cloning, "just" a ban on the > activity. Spin doctor bullshit. Without the research there isn't anything to publish. By banning the basic research we would in fact be banning the publishing of the results of that scientific research. > Hence the first amendment is not implicated. If it were the > case the every action (as opposed to speech/publication) were protected by > the 1st Am. then every statute making robbery a crime would be > unconstitutional too. Not at all. Equating swinging of ones fist in a empty field and swinging it into somebodies nose and then taking that supposition as justification to ban fist swinging *is* most certainly unconstitutional. Furthermore, robbery isn't illegal under the Constitution unless its the federal government taking the material and refusing to follow the Constitutional directive to pay for *all* property, irrespective of how it was gained, for public use as those duties are relegated per the 10th to the purvue of the states. > Similarly, the 4th Am. is not implicated. The right to be secure against > UNREASONABLE search and seizure is not violated when and if congress > passes a law defining a new crime, or you are arrested for committing it. The question here is whether Congress even *has* the power to regulate those sorts of behaviours without an amendment being passed by the states to surrender their authority per the 9th and 10th to the federal government. > > and to be secure in one's papers, and probably more general rights that > > have long-held that government agents cannot tell people what books they > > again, note that the ban is on CLONING, not THINKING OR WRITING OR READING > about cloning. It's not the same thing. Without doing the research it isn't possible to think very much about cloning except in a *very* abstract manner. That forcing of abstraction against ones will may very well infact be unconstitutional. > > may read, what thinking they may do, and whom they may asssociate with (if > > the Civil Rights Act is viewed as the unconstitutional anomaly it is). > > This is an aside, but the CRA is in no way anomalous given the 13th, 14th > and 15th Amendments. It is only "anomalous" if one sticks to the > Constitution as written in the 18th century... and ignores the articles > written in that same century that clearly contemplate amendments.... The articles contemplating the amendments are irrelevant to this issue. Only the actual amendments are relevant. What people might *want* to do has nothing to do with what they *can* do under the limiting documents of this country. > > But a ban on cloning research would not be a matter of "national security," > > only of ethics and religious beliefs. Whatever the arguments for banning > > unapproved research into CBW and nuclear weapons, banning cloning research > > is an entirely different set of issues. > > > > Arguably, many of the legal bans in force today are due to ethics, e.g.: No, they are a result of political wrangling by small groups to gain political power and the economic and social conseuences thereof. They also result from a clearly premeditated absolution of the Constitution that these self same 'representatives' gave an oath to uphold with their lives. The justification that is profered is the ethics of the constituents. > A. Michael Froomkin +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) > Associate Professor of Law > U. Miami School of Law froomkin(a)law.miami.edu > P.O. Box 248087 http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/ > Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA It's warm here. Your a law professor and your logic, respect for the Constitution, and basic scientific comprehension is this bad? No damn wonder we're in the shit hole we're in now... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Congress' *real* job...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Congress' real job should not be passing laws providing funding, prohibiting activities, etc. It *should* be in creating and passing Constitutional amendments per the 10th that re-define the responsibilities and duties of the federal government within the changing millieu of the current society. This way the people via their state representatives have a much closer input into what the feds are actualy enpowered to do and to who. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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MS presents technical defence [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > MICROSOFT TO PRESENT LENGTHY TECHNICAL DEFENSE > > graphic January 12, 1998 > Web posted at: 11:14 p.m. EST (0414 GMT) > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- Microsoft Corp., attempting to fend off contempt > of court charges, plans to make a detailed defense in court that its > Internet Explorer software is interwoven with its popular Windows 95 > program and the two can't be separated without debilitating the > Windows program. > > Attorneys for Microsoft and the Justice Department are scheduled to > face off in federal court again Tuesday in the latest chapter of the > bitter antitrust lawsuit. The Justice Department has asked U.S. > District Judge Thomas Penfield Jackson to find Microsoft in contempt > of his December 11 order that it separate its Internet browser > software from Windows. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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unsolved billing problem
by CLAUD W WELCH 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I cancelled my membership prior to the end of two days. i would like a refund.

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Trans World Specials Fare Sales
by Trans World Specials 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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(eternity) autonomous agents
by Ross Anderson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back: > If the participant in the CPU resource market is not expected to be > able to vet all source code he runs, this gives the would be eternity > operator a chance to distribute his risk. It's even better than this - your PC becomes a common carrier and you are no longer liable :-) If this doesn't happen, then the advocates of Java need a whole new security infrastructure to assure users that the applets they download aren't defamatory, pornographic, seditious or in breach of copyright! Tim May: > Another science fiction writer, Bruce Sterling, popularized "data havens" At one time, Malta was thinking seriously about becoming just such a data haven, and I expect one will appear sooner or later. After all, what's left of the British Empire is funded by money laundering and tax evasion - pardon me, Sir Humphrey, `offshore financial services'. Once the online world becomes a significant part of the global economy, small countries that wish to achieve the high living standards of Bermuda, Gibraltar and Jersey will be able to get there by cashing in on `offshore data services'. Countries like Tonga already sell domain names, but a full offshore data service would need some way of resisting pressure from the EU and the US government. Most of the tax havens do this by being under a colonial umbrella. Is there an alternative? Can we create virtual colonies in cyberspace? Can we set up a gateway to Eternity in some country like Liberia or Somalia, which is too dangerous even for the US Marines? Or do we have to cut a deal with Sir Humphrey? Hiding stuff inside usenet is actually a bit like hiding behind the skirts of Empire, isn't it? The same goes for hiding stuff on open access web sites, or in spam. Given the rate at which spam is growing these days, maybe that's where to put it. If the only way for Authority to cut mortals off from Eternity was to pass effective laws against spam, and the only way to stop spam was to have a global non-escrowed public key infrastructure so that all mortals could be strongly authenticated, then ... Ross

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[ADMINISTRATIVIUM] Firewalls
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy C. Mayonnaise's reheated, refurbished, and regurgitated cud is completely inappropriate for the mailing lists into which it is cross-ruminated. ,,, -ooO(o o)Ooo- Timmy C. Mayonnaise (_)

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