December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Guns: H&K, G3, 7.62 v 5.56 [Guns] (fwd)
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've only seen bolt action .50s fired. They're not *too* heavy, and from the amount of muzzle flash, noise, etc. it gave, I'd be as comfortable using it at 1000-1500 yards as I would a .308 at 600-1000 yards. Given proper concealment and the absence of anyone looking directly at you when you fire, that is. Professional sniping is a 2 man operation anyway -- against a target that can shoot back, you really want to have a spotter. >From what I can gather, the US military seems to agree with this strategy -- .308s for traditional sniping, .50 for anti-materiel, extreme long range, and countersniping. Attacking an incoming force which has its own snipers is mostly a job for the .50. And if I were in the field on the offense, I'd be attacking small enough groups that a few .50 rounds would be sufficient to kill them all or at least immobilize them. Or high enough value targets to make a more likely kill worth the higher risk during E&E. True, they mainly use bolt-action .50s -- if the semi auto version is really that much heavier, I'd probably go for the bolt action gun in the field and the semi at my home. For Tim May's situation, in a house, they know fairly well that he's firing from the house. Pretty much any weapon will give enough signature for them to zero in on it and fire. If he's lucky, and they just have carbines and 7.62 snipers, he could fire from one room, move to another, fire, etc. Or have enough cover to keep himself from getting hit. But at some point, they'll just bring in a real countersniper asset, like an automatic cannon, and any muzzle flash will be responded to with several hundred AP/explosive shells. Within the house, the weight of a .50 isn't that bad -- and the extra 500-1000 yards and AP capability might make a difference against a raid. At the very least, it'll get his place firebombed rather than shot up :) Forcing them to keep outside the 1500-2000 yard high danger range from a .50 (or forcing them to stay behind serious cover) would give him a chance to duck out and fight another day, too :) A .50 is also a bit more effective against helicopters containing special forces "monitoring" personnel who are there (but of course not actually there) in violation of the law. It would be interesting to fit one's house with speakers/noise generators/ flash generators/smoke/etc. to make it look as if one has an automatic cannon or a small army, in response to a raid. It would make a perfect distraction during which to leave :) I'd much rather write code, make money, and leave the country (not necessarily in that order) than worry about defending myself from a government which has shown time and time again it is willing to ignore the law, though. [ObCrypto: * Eternity DDS is coming along. The current almost-ready-for-announcement version is using Postgres95 for a backend, sigh. Design for the first production-demo system is progressing as well. * The Cypherpunks Archive project I was working on is also progressing. Unfortunately, my archive is kind of weird -- it's in MIT discuss format, and converting it into mbox is nontrivial, given the size of the file. After adding more memory to the system on which I'm editing the file, I think I have an mbox file which is just missing one field. I'm planning to index them with hypermail, then glimpse. On the cd, I'll put the original mbox file, either as a single massive file or broken up, depending on what people want, as well as a precomputed index and perhaps the web site version as well. The next step is to put all of the cypherpunks archives into Eternity DDS -- Postgres95 seems to puke on large data objects sometimes, so I'll need to fix that. Once I get the cypherpunks archive done, I'll work on some other lists. And then hopefully some people will buy CD-Rs so I can buy another 25gb of HDD or so :) * Financial people are pretty cool. I just got back from talking to some about the Eternity Service concept, and they were really excited. I really didn't expect non-(electronic finance) finance people to be interested in it right away. They even got more excited when the magic word "cryptography" was mentioned. Perhaps finance will fix the software industry. -- Ryan Lackey rdl(a)mit.edu http://mit.edu/rdl/

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Dimitry "The Hair" Vulis
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Guns: H&K, G3, 7.62 v 5.56 [Guns] (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 1/3/98 4:05 PM, Ryan Lackey (rdl(a)mit.edu) passed this wisdom: >I've only seen bolt action .50s fired. They're not *too* heavy, and >from the amount of muzzle flash, noise, etc. it gave, I'd be as >comfortableusing it at 1000-1500 yards as I would a .308 at >600-1000 yards. Given proper concealment and the absence of anyone >looking directly at you when you fire, that is. Professional >sniping is a 2 man operation anyway --against a target that can >shoot back, you really want to have a spotter. I finally remebered where I saw it. In Tom Clancy's non-fiction book "MARINE: A Guided Tour of a Marine Expeditionary Unit." On pages 75-77 (there is a good picture too) he details the history and developement as well as the uses of the "Barrett M82A1A .50-cal special-purpose sniper rifle." It is for all intents and purposes a Brownig M2 .50-cal machine gun barrel/receiver set o a newly designed spring recoil system to be fired from shoulder wit bipod. It is chambered for the NATO standard .50-cal/12.7mm ammunition. It was developed by Ronnie Barrett of Murfeesboro, Tennessee and further developement sponsored by the USG and was first deployed by the CIA with the Mujahadeen in Afgahnistan where they used it to make some Russian troops quite miserable from a long way off. The sucess of it in Afghanistan force the military to consider it. Nothing is said concerning other services but it has been adopted by the USMC Force Recon for use by a three man team. The gun is broken down into upper reciever, lower reciver, and scope and ammo. There may be .50-cal bolt actions out there that are one man carries, but the Barrett gun is a three man load. The gun is 57 inches long and weighs 32.5 pounds, unloaded with no scope. The primary mission of the gun is not man sniping, though I am sure it often has been and will be used in that role, but its main aim is to long range snipe and disable antennae, dishes, equipment, etc using the AP and API ammunition. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNK6ybj7r4fUXwraZAQGSNgf/X6+K6j5lzj1odfzDM0HUfTnNzcc/RgSD OHHelk3Elb0jLDIX76KJsVOghDQ228QA+dFa+dEH+3YyjquIclKp4UBrfqw42Rfd Fv/HVinE9qLKse4PVY3Mjeqt8jHCGO01RHNATnrArDA6C2lVJIeE1tIDVGDVVtI2 bndGRnOexSXrFSm+5ux1GejWUYzUbLiQIOmfNSJMpzi8WwfQ/I3OLyFm5I6y9DR1 IiQZRs4RoqJ6f4caiZWz62/L6iivwKsOX6LCHlZAjz/6Ld+/o6ZtC0cjn/yWtUqL +3n/ZVydK+jGQ+rHopM4Eg1NGL5aRt+ANkKRDeTXohNlwfkCvI4xGA== =zI8W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go around repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in their struggle for independence." -- Charles M. Beard

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Meganet's Unbreakable Virtual Matrix Encryption Takes the Market by St
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Yes, the VME 98 is the same product that challenged Microsoft, > IBM, AT&T, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Intel, America Online, > Netscape, etc. to break a VME encrypted file. All the great > computer minds in this country have had an opportunity to > dispel the bold claims of unbreakable encryption, yet none have. Why should Microsoft, IBM, AT&T, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Intel, America Online, Netscape, "all the great computer minds in this country," etc. give a flying fuck?

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Re: Time to Pay the Piper
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attila T. Hun wrote: > 1) when a true market monopoly exists, society _is_ > entitled to intervene. [. . .] > 2) why should you be surprised to hear this from me? > sure, I would prefer anarchy per se, but have > absolutely no faith that the vast majority would do > anything except rape, pillage, and plunder. [. . . .] ....................................................................... Well, between the "raping, pillaging, plundering" society of people who can't do better than to follow in the path which Billg prepares for them, and the "entitled" right of these same pillaging, plundering, sheeple to intervene in a "true market monopoly" which they themselves participated in creating, if only by default (intervening so they don't become exhausted from all that decision making - Unix, or Perl? Unix, or Wintel? This is too hard!!), and the attitude of Governors of the People's Interest who live to protects us from pillaging, plundering monopolists, all the while doing a little undercover raping of their own, all I can say is, "it's a Wonderful Society". And who wouldn't want to be a member of such a society, and who wouldn't want to intervene on the behalf of its citizens, none of whom have, apparently, yet "proved their worth" on this planet? (I'm surprised there's still so many of them, considering all the "good" guys trying to help them, and considering that they've been receiving "help" for their condition from everywhere - left and right, up and down, here and there - for many, many, years, now.) wheN are PEE-ple GOing towake UP. The Truth is Out There. .. Blanc

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Re: Microsoft
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At 02:25 98/01/04 +0100, Anonymous wrote: >> Windows is still fucking me up the ass! I'm bleeding to death here! >> >> >> > >For relief, see: http://www.enemy.org/ Uh, how does one read this in Lynx? The first page instructs you to choose your nearest location. The "Mirror Sites" page is an image map. Chosing this "image map" will pop up a series of selections like "(318,85)" and chosing one of these dies with a 404. There are four options below that: "Russia," "France," "Brasil," and "Japan." Chosing one of these brings you to a bunch of frames which aren't even named sanely. Frame "ob_li" has nothing in it. Frame "links" has nothing in it. Frame "un_li" has nothing in it. Frame "oben" has nothing in it. Is anyone beginning to see a pattern? Nearest I can tell, the people running enemy.org are just as clueless as the people programming at Microsoft. It's possible that they're even more clueless. If they want to attack Microsoft, they need to learn how to make a web page first.

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RE: best body armor for cypherpunks [serious]
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> ---------- > From: Mix[SMTP:mixmaster@remail.obscura.com] > Reply To: Mix > Sent: Sunday, January 04, 1998 10:44 PM > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: best body armor for cypherpunks [serious] > > What is, in your opinion, the best (price and performance-wise) > body armor for cypherpunks? > After a few years on this list, one develops such a thick skin that extra protection is superfluos Peter Trei ptrei(a)securitydynamics.com

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Re: Location Escrow anyone ?
by Kay Ping 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > The FCC may have ruled it, but its doubtful that the carriers can provide > it. Doing better than than a cell sector will depend on many factors, > including: specific technology (analog, GSM, CDMA, etc.), frequency and > local propagation characteristics, especially multipath conditions. The FCC ruling is a result of lobbying by a company that has actually built such a location device. The requirements are tailored to the capabilities of their device and they probably expect to automatically win the contracts. I don't remember their name but the devices need to be installed in about one out of 3 cellular base stations. I am only guessing now, but it's not unlikely that they have been assisted in their lobbying efforts by certain three-letter-acronym agencies. They knew that the goverment would look favorably on a device to track people and would eagerly buy their excuse of 911 caller location. - ----------------- Kay Ping nop 'til you drop finger kping(a)nym.alias.net for key DF 6D 91 18 A6 59 41 96 - 89 01 69 B7 9D0 4 AE 53 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: cp850 iQEQAwUBNK8o/BHPAso8Qp7tAQFGfgfRAQUYARi6dQYIWyehqBhXMhyvgfYkWN2X rDDkE/bCr4yfvuYA5e/H3kVhfEh9TXT2m4+F6NmWPmy5WM6s5yuDR3I5t/3EDH8T uHV/EfkhjiE0HiQgTLB19VGFRXoi9eLlnBaxBcZZK8dknJ/T7rFlthvpUeL3crVl yD0Swl7lYgeyuG2HLgOLc5v+ej1tDdI27KIjoBj/dCDSoN6gtzj/linCLbjY8NZZ akY3cQbk3QVrXfJamX+n6X3cwKkI20phrM5DBjh1pdhod6nLvRDPiEkT3prqRTx7 gjrJip/pzCKABUmkWSigXFgQARvkPW6ZqSCnoCSivzgYFxE= =UcO3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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MS: "Setting the Record Straight"
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For any of you who haven't already searched for & found this: http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/myths.htm .. Blanc

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17 Dec '03

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Smartcard readers
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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My last comment (for now) on rifles
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:12 PM -0800 1/3/98, Alan wrote: >When I lived in Alaska I knew someone who built such a thing for hunting >bears. I never got to fire it, but it was supposed to have a kick like a >mule. (Even with the shock absorbing stock.) > >The hardest part is getting the 50 cal ammo. (He had his Federal firearms >license and was in the National Guard, so it was not too difficult for >him.) Getting AP and other special ammo would be doubly difficult. >(Non-specialty ammo could be reloaded as long as you could get molds and >primer caps.) > >I guess it depends on your military and/or black market connections. You must be thinking of some other (larger) caliber, as .50 BMG is readily available. At my local gun shop, $3 a round. (It may be cheaper elsewhere.) A gun shop over in Silicon Valley was selling a belt-fed, semi-automatic .50 BMG for about $7K, if I recall the ad correctly. They were selling shots with it for $5 a shot, and advertising it as "Diane Feinstein's Worst Nightmare." .50 caliber is the largest readily available caliber (Uncle has limited larger calibers only for His own use, not for the use of the Rabble.) And there are several .50 BMG rifles readily for sale, mostly ranging from $3000 to $6000. The Barrett is the most commonly talked about version. Personally, I can't see the point of a .50, even for hunting bear. (Not that I would _want_ to hunt bears, as I find bears preferable to most humans, by far.) A .300 Winchester Magnum, a .375 H&H, or a .338 Lapua Magnum should be more than enough, and a whole lot cheaper than a Barrett or somesuch. The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Microsoft
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>At 02:25 AM 1/4/98 +0100, Anonymous wrote: >> >>Windows is still fucking me up the ass! I'm bleeding to death here! > >Then get a copy of Linux and stop whining! > >Sheesh! Usually when somebody says something like that they're refering more to Microsoft indirectly borking them. For instance, people send around MS Turd documents. You have to buy MS Turd. Some Windows lamers send out HTML email. Many (most?) are clueless on USENET. Many (most?) don't like to type at all, and choke and die when they get into an environment where they have to. People walk into computer labs and are stuck with the pathetic environment that is Windows. And this doesn't even count the "Everyone is running Windows" and "Everything is da web" folks. It wouldn't be so bad if there was full source to everything and it didn't cost an arm and a leg, or if it didn't suck. But there isn't, it does, and that's putting it mildly. I can hear the cries of "You're anti-business!" and "You're just a UNIX weenie!" already. I just remember back when the average net user had somewhat of a clue. When the network went "to the masses" and people went out of their way to make it point and click the drooling lemmings were attracted to it. And of course where the drooling lemmings go the people who take advantage of the drooling lemmings follow, e.g. spammers. My attitude about this pretty much went down the toilet when I was called a "UNIX weenie" because I suggested that a Windows user deliver his own mail while the ISP's SMTP server was down. Then of course the Windows flamer decided to start denouncing the very notion of RFCs, then started rambling about POP3 and IMAP. And of course I implied "that we all run UNIX" because I used the word "daemon" -- yeah, apparently Windows is so bad that this user didn't even know it *could* run background processes. No, I wasn't the original writer, but I see where the original author was coming from...I think. Yes, I use Linux. Yes, I remember MAKE.MONEY.FAST but it was nothing like the spam we get today and was few and far between.

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PGP-out-only vs. hashcash aware remailers?
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:40 PM 12/30/1997 -0400, Privacy Admin <woz(a)privacynb.ml.org> wrote: >Since I've switched to type-I pgponly remailer I haven't had a problem >with spammers. I've been wondering if hashcash makes sense for remailers, >or [only] for mail2news gateways. > >I guess I am looking for any means of controlling spammers using remailers >and mail2news gateways. Hashcash won't help mail2news, except by discouraging dumb spammers, because news spam only needs a few messages. PGP-only input will cut down on most spammers, though you'll still get a few, especially if they're spamming mailing lists (which makes the encryption both worth the effort and useful for safety.) If you modify your remailer to only _output_ PGP-encrypted messages, you get hashcash-equivalence, and cut abuse substantially. The cost is limiting recipients to pgp users (plus known exceptions), but it's tough to spam people when you need to look up their PGP key and encrypt to it (at least you'll only get spams for high-tech stuff), and it's tougher for random abusers to abuse people since most targets don't have PGP keys, and a mailbox full of PGP junk is less annoying to most people than a mailbox full of human-readable hate mail. In particular, it's harder to send death threats to politicians if they don't have published PGP keys. Is this a feature that makes sense? PGP-out-only remailers aren't as useful for anonymous tip lines (unless the tip line has a PGP address.) They're not as useful for inviting new people into your conspiracy, though they're fine for conspiring with people whose keys you already know (and they can be unlisted keys only used for the conspiracy.) If the Bank of Caribbean Cash Importers is interested in taking anonymous clients who contact them through remailers, they've probably got a PGP key handy to send to anyway. They're not transparently useful for mail2news, but the remailer could make exceptions for known mail2news sites, or could ignore the problem, which is fine for posting to alt.anonymous.messages, though not for posting to alt.whistleblowers. How would you implement it? Obviously you'd need to allow some unencrypted lines at the beginning, at least if they have remailer syntax( ::, ##, mail headers, etc.). Do you cut all lines after the "-----END PGP"? My first impression was yes, but after reading the Freedom Remailer source, it looks like this might kill messages using encrypted reply blocks, so maybe not. Detecting the PGP itself can be crude ("----- BEGIN PGP ENCRYPTED"...) or can be a bit fancier (make sure the lines are all the right length and limited to the correct character set), or much fancier (de-armor and look for PGP blocks). Even the fancy approaches can be spoofed, since you can't go very deep into the headers without the right keys, so a couple lines of real PGP material could be included, leaving possibilities like :: Request-Remailing-To: Your Mama ## Subject: My Guitar Wants to Kill Your Mama -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Comment: PGP allows arbitrary comments, so Decrypt This! hQCMAynIuJ1VakpnAQP+MWng0I6TnDf/U83KCttjYZQSnPQjS59rw+M+iSmTGLIs btqW5hn1HXheSb8GNifAWz2rqgdH3GqjZ5rRBDF5tZfQfV5kNNYE1XpT/CMgAsDh 3IkaeOumDKXON+8acl5X7NToSjml+mkxkF7kE9u5oxCEXErDjS3k2wOtv0krNfSk HeyChelseaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaBWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MyGuitarWantsToKillYourMamaBWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MyGuitarWantsToKillYourMamaBWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA MyGuitarWantsToKillYourMamaBWAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -----END PGP MESSAGE----- and your little dog, too! But at least it's a start. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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BOOK: Forthcoming - J Gray, _Hayek on Liberty 3rd edition_
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 13:34:30 EST Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Sender: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> From: Gregransom <Gregransom(a)AOL.COM> Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) Subject: BOOK: Forthcoming - J Gray, _Hayek on Liberty 3rd edition_ To: HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU >> Hayek Web << Routledge -- Hayek's publisher in England and on the Continent of Europe, on the Web at: http://www.routledge.com/ >From the Routledge Web site: "_Hayek on Liberty Third Edition_ John Gray, Jesus College, University of Oxford Published by Routledge Pb ISBN/ISSN: 0-415-17315-9 >From the previous edition: ... "In Hayek on Liberty John Gray treats Hayek primarily as a philosopher. His book is analytical, not hagiographical, and almost certainly the best book on the subject.' - Samuel Brittan, Financial Times 'The most generally accessible book on Hayek so far.' - Anthony Quinton, Times Higher Education Supplement ... Hayek's achievements in social and political philosophy are increasingly receiving full recognition. _Hayek on Liberty 3rd Edition_ is a concise yet exhaustive and provoking study of this classic liberal philosopher which examines the structure and impact of his system of ideas and locates his position within Western philosophy. Not available since the 1980s this up-dated 3rd edition contains a postscript which assesses how far the historical developments of the last ten years can be deployed in a critique of Hayek's thought. This book will contribute to a much needed wider debate on the future of conservatism. 192 pages Dimensions: 5 1/2 x 8 1/2 inches; 216 x 138 mm Status: Coming Soon" Hayek on the Web is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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index.html
by root 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Welcome to the Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer. This mailing list is sponsored by The Armadillo Group and other indipendant operators. The purpose of this mailing list is to explore the frontier of cryptography, civil liberty, economics, and related issues. This is a very high traffic mailing list. Several members of the mailing list are involved in various types of events through the year. Participation by members of the list does not construe any support or affilliation with the mailing list. Contact the author of all works obtained through the remailer network. They retain original rights. Please let others know about this mailing list, the more the merrier! To subscribe to the CDR you should contact the individual operators as conditions at each remailer site may be quite different. To subscribe through SSZ you should send a note to list(a)ssz.com or send an email to majordomo(a)ssz.com with 'subscribe cypherpunks email_address' in the body. If you have questions or problems contact list(a)ssz.com There may be local groups of members who have regular (or not) meetings in order to discuss the various issues and projects appropriate to their individual membership. These groups generaly announce their meetings via the CDR. Please feel free to make appropriate announcements of activity in your area. Austin Cypherpunks

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rant on the morality of confidentiality
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I posted this to PM's mailing list, but he apparently zapped it without comment. so here it goes to a less authoritarian forum. context: posters to his list were remarking on the recent declassification of information in Britain that suggested they had discovered the key aspects of RSA before it was discovered in the open literature by Diffie & Hellman etc. ------- Forwarded Message To: cryptography(a)c2.net Subject: a rant on the morality of confidentiality scientists who agree to government secrecy to develop their inventions are agreeing to a lot more than mere secrecy. they are committing to a paradigm that is at odds with science itself, which only advances through the open literature. furthermore, they are giving away their power, so to speak, to governments that do not have the same motives they do. essentially they are working for a war machine, or a suppression machine. how can they be sure their inventions will not be used for dark purposes? imho, by not working within a system that poses that risk. that no such system seems to exist is irrelevant. a truly responsible scientist would help create one and wouldn't work without one. I think the scientists who worked on the atom bomb and today within the NSA are working under a key false assumption. "if we don't develop it, the enemy will, and he will use it against us". but perhaps if scientists around the world united against the government warmongers that have been manipulating them for many generations, particularly within the 20th century with grotesque results, perhaps a different story would emerge. yet even Einstein himself urged our government to "develop a weapon of mass destruction before the Joneses do". how smart is that? perhaps scientifically clever, but morally, socially, and spiritually vacuous. it is a feeble mind in my opinion who takes refuge in the saying that "technology is neutral". perhaps so, but not the humans who use and *develop* it, and the latter are particularly responsible for the former. how smart were those nuclear weapons scientists, anyway, such as Feynmann? imho they agreed to the terms of their own manipulation, and failed to question their basic motives and intents and of those who paid them. I believe those that work within the NSA and other secret agencies are betraying the principles of science under the guise of protecting humanity. I believe they have the power to change this system, but they have reneged on their responsibility as human beings. Wayner covers the simplistic issues in his piece for the NYT, but they key issues at stake are far deeper and have never even been recognized by some of the so-called greatest minds of our century. so I view with distaste, to say the lest, the scientists who later try to break the secrecy and come out in the open merely so that they can have credit for something that was classified they claim to deserve. they deserve credit only for supporting and participating in a vast and sinister system of scientific manipulation for dark and inhumanitarian purposes. Chomsky is one of the few scientists of our time who has the brilliance to recognize the ulterior side of the government we support. surprise! he is largely ignored or even blacklisted by his morally- and socially- handicapped colleages who believe it is not their place to question the status quo, but only to fit into it or advance through it. all those scientists who have ever complained about the lack of funding for your branch, or who have fought with each other over the scraps handed to you like dogs-- do you have any concept of how much tax money is put into military research? how much is funnelled into the NSA? this is money that is funded by the public for public welfare-- is it really being used for that? NSA and other secret agencies have become vast parasites feeding on public dollars that have no accountability, and largely because scientists, who should lead the pack, instead lack the intelligence to recognize it or the courage to challenge it. these are my thoughts as I read how the NSA's Inman pops up to say that the credit for RSA is the NSA's, or a British agency does the same. secrecy is directly contradictory to the principles upon which this country is founded. and imho it is becoming a large source of its ongoing demise. quite simply, the scientists are fiddling while Democracy burns. ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Baltimore City Paper editorial on Jim Bell
by Joab Jackson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A Bridge Too Far? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No doubt about it, Jim Bell disliked the government. As far as this Vancouver, Wash., resident was concerned, there isn't any problem with Congress that $60 worth of bullets couldn't solve. And he let his opinion be known in newsgroups, mailing lists, and, perhaps most notoriously, through an essay he wrote and promoted on the Internet called "Assassination Politics". But did Bell-who, federal authorities discovered, had an arsenal of deadly chemicals and firearms and the home addresses of more than 100 government workers-have a plan to murder public employees? "What was interesting is that the whole case was based on whether he'd be harmful in the future. He hadn't actually hurt anyone, but he was talking about some scary stuff," John Branton, a reporter who covered the Bell case for the southern Washington newspaper The Columbian (The Jim Bell Story), told me by phone. On Dec. 12, Bell, 39, was sentenced to 11 months in prison and three years of supervised probation after pleading guilty to using false Social Security numbers and setting a stink bomb off at a local Internal Revenue Service office. But authorities acknowledge those charges weren't what his arrest was really about. "We chose not to wait until he followed through on what we believe were plans to assassinate government employees," Jeffrey Gordon, an IRS inspector, told the Portland, Ore., daily The Oregonian. Gordon likened Bell to convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh and Unabomber suspect Theodore Kaczynski. The federal government's court filing against Bell stated the belief that the defendant had a plan to "overthrow the U.S. government." Proof of his motivation, the government asserted, was found in Bell's Internet writings: "Bell has spelled out parts of his overall plan in his 'Assassination Politics' essay." Bell wasn't lacking for firepower. On April 1, 20 armed federal agents raided Bell's home, where he lived with his parents. According to U.S. News & World Report ("Terrorism's Next Wave") the feds found three semiautomatic assault rifles; a handgun; a copy of the book The Terrorist's Handbook; the home addresses of more than 100 government workers; and a garage full of potentially deadly chemicals. Authorities had long known that Bell was a spokesperson for a local libertarian militia and was involved in a so-called "common-law court" that planned "trials" of IRS employees. Given what the feds found at the house, in retrospect the raid seems prudent-as Leroy Loiselle of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency told U.S. News, "You don't need nitric acid to keep aphids off your flowers." It's easy to forget the troubling fact that the government's initial reason for raiding Bell's residence was "Assassination Politics," which they found in Bell's car when the IRS seized it back in February. (Bell owed some $30,000 in back taxes.) Will others who make public their wrath for government and owe some taxes to Uncle Sam be paid similar visits? What's perhaps more troubling still is the way the feds held up Bell's essay as evidence of his violent intent. Reading "Assassination Politics" makes clear that it is no more a workable blueprint for overthrowing the government than Frank Herbert's Dune is a realistic plan for urban renewal. For about two years prior to Bell's arrest, "Assassination Politics" floated around the Internet. Bell, for instance, sent this essay out on the cypherpunks mailing list, where scenarios for the future, based on new technology and libertarian principles, are frequently discussed. None of the cypherpunks took his "plan" seriously then. The core of "Assassination Politics" is a plan to establish an anonymous electronic market wherein people could "wager" money on when public individuals, be they world leaders or corrupt tax collectors, will die. A person (say, for instance, an assassin) who correctly "predicts" the day of a death could anonymously collect the "winnings." Far from being a direct call to arms, Bell's essay is largely hypothetical, at least until encryption, traceless digital cash, and mass homicidal hatred of world leaders becomes widespread. Ugly yes; realistic no. "I've told Jim Bell on any number of occasions that it would never work," Robert East, a friend of Bell's, tells me by e-mail. "If Jim had properly titled this as a fictional piece of literature he'd have been far more accurate." In April, when the Jim Bell story broke, both The Columbian and Time Warner's Netly News portrayed Bell as a victim whose free-speech rights were violated. But as evidence against Bell piled up, the sympathy muted considerably. U.S. News' recent cover story on domestic terrorism, "Terrorism's Next Wave," opened with the Bell case. Perhaps Bell was prosecuted for what he wrote rather than what he might do. (Both friends and family have repeatedly said Bell, though a big talker, isn't much of a doer. "Jim is a harmless academic [n]erd," East insists. "I've known him for years and he's harmless.") Perhaps the IRS was spooked by little more than idle speculation of its demise. But the evidence seems to have dealt the feds the better hand, and lends credence to the idea that, for all the protest of free-speech advocates, words are not always separable from actions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------- The Baltimore City Paper: http://www.citypaper.com City Paper's Cyberpunk column: http://www.citypaper.com/columns/framecyb.htm Archives: http://www.charm.net/~joabj/ joabj(a)charm.net 410.356.6274 -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 5.0 mQBtAzJFsfEAAAEDAOtSe/7TU8y0ZYBFXp8c6hxwzDIdbIsDtTsvKx2X v5S65Mdc3vCEFhMuwxceatO4T5IKgBFWJ2r7s9fFKtsAIS4vKCESi+wY7j 5rEZ6oYbaeWlj1yfwjAjg8SUxCjuji1QAFEbQeSm9hYiBKYWNrc29uIDxqb2 FiakBjaGFybS5uZXQ+ =ttEP -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

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best body armor for cypherpunks [serious] (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Internet Watch Foundation reports child nudity as illegal!!
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From jrg(a)blodwen.demon.co.uk Mon Jan 5 05:57:11 1998 > > Information Security <The(a)NSA.sucks> writes: > > Can anyone not biased like Paul "British Twit of the Month" Allen > > confirm the two jpg's now visible at <http://www.panix.com/~guy> > > are in Demon's alt.binaries.pictures.nudism Usenet group? > > too late to check/ a right pain to check anyway bearing in mind how > much is probably available in that group. > > Give some message-ids and it's very easy to check if they are and grab > the headers of the messages from them (if you're really interested in > how they got here, etc.) My interest has blown over. PICSRules is a political response to government pressure. IWF immediately began watching for KiddiePorn and notifying IWF member organizations (and police) about such posts. Members are given the MD5 of the post to automatically delete it when next seen, in addition to the first deletion. The only thing "watch" organizations are good for is spotting "controversial" material. Demon/IWF's Clive Feather: : Some subscribers to IWF have asked to be notified of certain other : classes of material, since they *do* choose to censor and not carry : more than just material that is illegal to possess. Demon is not one : of these ISPs. So, IWF supports labeling/spotting of controversial material for the purposes of censorship, beyond what is illegal. Thus, the IWF is not going to get anywhere with PICSRules. No way in hell can they label all of the Net. Usenet content is produced at a furious rate: it cannot be rated until it has already expired off of most servers. Rate WWW? Most are business: who cares about advertising/support? Any page with a counter on it won't verify the MD5 taken when it was "rated"... PICSRules is a political prank on the politicians. Kind of like The Jetsons was an educational show about the future. What *is* happening are groups forming to censor material; funded by governments... # http://192.215.107.71/wire/news/june/0630ratings.html # # The Internet Watch Foundation, has already submitted a funding # request to the European Commission. # # "Whatever happens, we will carry on trying to get the funding # we need," Kerr said. "These things cost money, and we have not # got all the money we need", said David Kerr, chief executive # of the British-based Internet Watch Foundation This will probably keep expanding; Germany IWF to zap Nazi logos, Israel IWF to zap revisionist history, Muslim IWF to zap heresy, etc. ---guy The never-ending joke: Dimitry "I suck my male students" Vulis

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Is FEAL developed by NTT safe?
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Mobile Account Manager
by Dan Ritter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:33 PM 1/3/98 -0600, you wrote: >Mobile Account Manager v1.1 now encrypts the data to the PalmPilot >database. For more information, check out our site at >http://www.mobilegeneration.com or you can download the trial version at >http://www.mobilegeneration.com/downloads/acctmgr.zip. Let me know if >there is anything else we can do! > >Cassidy Lackey >Mobile Generation Software >www.mobilegeneration.com > >Dan Ritter wrote: > >> What sort of encryption is used to protect private information in >> Mobile >> Account Manager? >From http://www.mobilegeneration.com : >After reviewing the costs and benefits associated with each of the published > encryption algorithms (DES, RC4, RC5, IDEA, etc...) we have decided to utilize a > proprietary Mobile Generation Software data encryption algorithm. Most This does not answer my original question, which is: what encryption method are you using? All it says is which encryption methods you are *not* using. > importantly, data encryption must ensure that no user can view the data in the > PalmPilot MAM database or the backup MAM database on the PC. We feel that it > is highly unlikely that anyone will attempt to break the encryption and therefore the If I felt that it was highly unlikely, I'd hardly be asking, would I? Poor cryptography is worse than none - it encourages people to believe their data is safe when it is not. Good cryptography can stand up to having its algorithms made public. Can yours? > costs incurred by utilizing the published encryption algorithms would outweigh the > benefits. Therefore, we are confident that the MAM encryption algorithm provides > sufficient data security for the Mobile Account Manager database. Without providing more information, customers can not make that decision for themselves. > > Below are the costs associated with utilizing many of the published algorithms for > MAM: > > U.S. Laws governing encryption software may not allow for exportation of > MAM outside of the U.S. Then you should be active in political groups advocating change of those laws. In fact, if you really believe in encryption, you might want to offer this as a test case - even a reporter can see how silly it is not to be able to protect your ATM PIN. > Copyrights and royalties associated with many of the encryption algorithms > may increase the cost of MAM. Many strong encryption algorithms are free. > Complex encryption algorithms drastically increase the size of the application > and slow the response time of MAM. Many algorithms can be tuned for different levels of complexity. > If you feel uncomfortable placing your sensitive data in the PalmPilot, please let us > know and we will give you some other ideas to ensure that your data is secure. I am doing so. I am also copying this to the cypherpunks mailing list, as other people ought to be made aware of this issue. Nothing I have quoted seems to be nonpublic information. -dsr-

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Japanese bank rifled by cyber-thieves [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera) This remailer list is somewhat phooey. Go check out http://www.publius.net/rlist.html for a good one. Last update: Thu 23 Oct 97 15:48:06 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ------------ 5:03:45 99.86% nym config(a)nym.alias.net +*#**#**### :34 95.82% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org #*##*+#**** 2:00 95.44% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +++ ++++++* 19:18 95.27% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de -- ---+--- 2:34:19 95.16% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net *++***+ ++ 11:26 95.11% replay remailer(a)replay.com **** *** 10:06 94.93% arrid arrid(a)juno.com ----.------ 8:50:34 94.41% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org --------- 3:38:29 93.53% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org + +*+*+*+ 16:32 92.80% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca + +*-++++ 24:14 92.79% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -..-..---- 9:59:18 92.22% neva remailer(a)neva.org ------****+ 1:03:02 90.39% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com 4:58:22 -36.97% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net 1:01:28 -2.65% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Encrypted Telephony Products
by Jrbl Pookah 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've recently begun looking for internet telephony products that employ reasonably secure encryption on-the-fly. Now, I've found Nautilus, and PGPFone, but neither product appears to have been updated for quite a while now. I was just wondering if anybody could give me recommendations for more up-to-date products, and perhaps comparisons between those available. Thank you.

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DIET, NUTRITION AND WEIGHT LOSS SOFTWARE
by 34194245＠earthlink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Just Released! 16 Million!
by workadmn＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Netiquette: (was) Re: .50 ammo
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 1/5/98 1:29 AM, Alan Olsen (alan(a)clueserver.org) passed this wisdom: >At 09:24 PM 1/4/98 -0600, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: >>Alan wrote: >>> At 04:50 PM 1/3/98 -0500, Brian B. Riley wrote: >>> The hardest part is getting the 50 cal ammo. (He had his Federal >>> firearms license and was in the National Guard, so it was not too >>> difficult for him.) Getting AP and other special ammo would be >>> doubly difficult. (Non-specialty ammo could be reloaded as long as >>> you could get molds and primer caps.) >>> >>> I guess it depends on your military and/or black market >>> connections. >> >>I have seen what appeared to be .50 ammo (probably not AP) in gun >> stores. > >I am surprised, but I am sure you are correct. It has been quite a >whilesince I have spent time in gun shops. (My expenditures on ammo >is limited to smaller calibers. I tend not to look at other things >because I cannot afford what I >want.) small point here of netiquette. one should be careful when trimming down quotes out of context ... I did not make the above statement. This time it is of little matter as the statement wasn't very inflammatory nor was it very controversial (not that CP is *ever* inflammatory or controversial), but it may well have been. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNLFTOz7r4fUXwraZAQHDDQf/XBk9i+6+GA7UcZD/a1CY3F/102Kh5u/L Y0KfqoMGCqv23oeJbayxjbWtXKSDd5+wX8Owrmr0i4arsD7vsunECkiQeUf0oQ83 Nid/tffRD5smu6P7mrf4yRVWOKKMmY8/VLOpFi9mRrOGVAWpGildXDikIhDuFylW RHjRnSugM88RUqz1Z7rLuIirMpYm//UVT0YRM9EXUyH/ejmOgH5YB8vP5isPBa4T L2TjPKbirQU1BX5HdgrVB+WkOpHdfSvA6sFlMPdAG4VvRltXA1IXZv1ce1AlKgtW OTnzvFoVrnMieJ0cKxe/dXSbFpedb9BBmCcCo+GWuf/Z2M/NWMwSnA== =SO5L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "There's so much comedy on television. Does that cause comedy in the streets?" Dick Cavett

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Re: Anonymous Remailers
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 23:14:19 -0800 From: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui(a)plaidworks.com> Subject: Re: Anonymous Remailers To: "ListMom-Talk Discussion List" <ListMom-Talk(a)SkyList.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Reply-To: "ListMom-Talk Discussion List" <ListMom-Talk(a)SkyList.Net> Sender: "ListMom-Talk Discussion List" <ListMom-Talk(a)SkyList.Net> X-URL: <http://www.SkyList.Net/ListMom-Talk.Home> At 8:10 PM -0800 1/4/98, Eric Mings wrote: > I noticed on Apple's info about acceptable behavior on their lists, that > they ban postings which originate from anonymous remailers (of which they > include juno). I was wondering what experience people have had regarding > abusive posts from such systems, and how one easily identifies them if > you choose to ban postings originating from such systems. Thanks. That's me. I decided to stop accepting posts from anonymous remailers way back, when anon.penet.fi was still alive. Some of that is philosophy, some of that was problems. As far as problems, it's the normal stuff -- personal attacks, mailbombing through anonymous remailers, copyright/slander/libel issues, all the normal fun and games. Since you can't track users back, you have real problems policing them. And since anonymous remailers tend to allow multiple (heading towards infinite) remailing addresses, the practical issue of how to lock out an abusive user becomes severe. That's why Juno is bounced -- you can create accounts and then use them instantly, with no policing and no tracking. I had a problem a while back with an idiot who did, abusively. After about four rounds of trying to get him to go away, I did it the hard way, with a virtual neutron bomb. Juno's no help. In THAT case, I got email from them six weeks later apologizing for being so delayed in responding to my requests for help. they didn't offer to help, they just apologized for not telling me they wouldn't for so long. And that's been typical of my dealing with them. They don't police. They don't care. Their systems are set up so that basically, they *can't* police things. So I just don't even get into it. Since I can't police their users, I police their site. Effectively, they are an anonymous remailer. God knows enough folks use them as one. -- Chuq Von Rospach (chuq(a)apple.com) Apple IS&T Mail List Gnome <http://www.solutions.apple.com/ListAdmin/> Plaidworks Consulting (chuqui(a)plaidworks.com) <http://www.plaidworks.com/> (<http://www.plaidworks.com/hockey/> +-+ The home for Hockey on the net) --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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This really is absolutely incredible!
by ffd5367＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Work SMART......not hard! You can easily make hundreds a week just passing out this 800 number with your code number. Some are even making thousands a week. It is the easiest money that I have ever made! The company does the selling for you, closes the deal, and sends you $100 for every sale! There is even a built in residual that goes with it. I have done a lot of programs but NOTHING comes close to this! Don't miss this opportunity! Call now! 1-800-811-2141 Code #44737 (This is HOT! If it is busy, keep trying). In Canada call 1-800-588-9786 Code #44737 This company has been in business for 2 years.. ***************************************************************************** To be removed from this list please reply to this message with "remove" in the subject field. *****************************************************************************

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Crypto-enemy senator gets cash from Johnny Chung
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sen. Kerry is not as extreme as Sen. Kerrey, but he still is an enemy of strong encryption. I wrote last year: >>>> The committee also approved amendments proposed by Kerry that would give jurisdiction over crypto exports to a nine-member "Encryption Export Advisory Board." The panel would "evaluate whether [a] market exists abroad" and make non-binding recommendations to the president. <<<< Here's what he's been up to recently... -Declan KERRY: DAMAGE CONTROL Boston Globe's Black reports, Boston atty Robert Crowe on 12/29 resigned as chair of Sen. John Kerry's (D) camp. finance cmte "in response to negative publicity that featured his ties" to Kerry. Crowe, "a longtime close personal friend and financial supporter" of Kerry's, "reportedly decided that he had had enough of critical newspaper stories, sources close to Kerry said." Kerry, responding to the resignation which he termed "understandable": "Bob Crowe has done an outstanding job for me, often at the expense of his own personal life." Crowe had "made headlines" recently in regard to his role as a lobbyist for Boston's Big Dig and his work for a firm hired by the Swiss Bankers Assn. Kerry's finance cmte will be "'streamlined'" and headed by Peter Maroney who was hired by the campaign last fall (12/30). CHUNG CONNECTION? A Los Angeles Times article by Rempel & Miller reported that Kerry received $10K in '97 from Dem contributor Johnny Chung following Chung's "high-level meeting" with SEC officials, arranged for him by Kerry's office soon after he paid a visit there. A Kerry spokesperson "confirmed that Kerry's office contacted the SEC" on Chung's behalf, "but she said it involved no more than helping arrange "'a tour.'" The DoJ is investigating the contribution which Chung is said to have made through several employees and others whom he reimbursed. Kerry spokesperson Tovah Ravitz "acknowledged" that Chung was approached for a donation "'numerous times because they were nearing the end of a tough campaign.'" Although Ravitz said Kerry's office arranged a tour for Chung, SEC officials "said the request on behalf of Chung involved a briefing session" (12/24). Boston Globe's Zitner follows up on the Times story, reporting that Chung's visit to the SEC "was something more than a casual tour but something less than special access to high government official, the SEC said." Kerry's Ravitz said Chung made the request for a stop at the SEC during an 8/96 visit, accompanied by other Asian businessmen, to Kerry's office. Chung and the others visited the SEC later the same day (12/25). On 12/26, USA Today reported that Ravitz said the Times was incorrect in its initial report (12/26). 01/05 12:35

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RE: Location Escrow anyone ?
by Pearson Shane 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi All, > >> 800 MHz analog may be the most difficult. GSM perhaps can reach 500 meteres >>under ideal conditions >> (Andreas Bogk). IS-95/CDMA probably a bit better than GSM due to the very >>high data (chip) rate and >> spread spectrum's better multipath characteristics, although the system's >>multipath performance most >> improves communications not ranging (Phil Karn, Qualcomm). > > >GSM doesn't use spread spectrum? > >Either way, I'd imagine that the accurate time domain division used with GSM >would provide >the Telco's with something a lot better than 500 meters. > >Some cells where I live aren't much further apart than 500 meters. :) > >Bye for now.

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Re: [Humor] Kennedy's New Legislation
by Information Security 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> "Evolution in action." > Thank you, Michael Kennedy, for improving humanity's gene pool. Too bad _you_ reproduced. ---guy

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cypherpunks and guns
by Wei Dai 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't understand why there is so much talk about guns here lately. Unless someone comes up with a weapon that has some very unusual economic properties, individuals cannot hope to compete with governments in the domain of deadly force. If we have to resort to physical violence, we've already lost! Think about it: if we can defend ourselves with guns, why would we need crypto?

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Letter on Jim Bell
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There's a recent letter on Jim Bell/AP/IRS harassment by long-time friend Bob East at: http://www.charm.net/~joabj/belet.htm Offered by Joab Jackson, who wrote the recent story posted here for the Baltimore City Paper.

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Season Greetings From The 'Sound Of Music Palace'
by e7L0yp5sK＠pobox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Looking For Extra Cash???
by ww44me＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Advertising on the WEB is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Another avenue which you could use for advertising is e-mail lists. You can buy these lists for under $20/2,000 addresses or you can pay someone a minimal charge to take care of it for you. BE SURE TO START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN IMMEDIATELY! 5. For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! 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There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business taxes. *******T E S T I M O N I A L S******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS My name is Frank. My wife, Doris, and I live in Bel-Air, MD. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Doris about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Doris totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Doris in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Frank T., Bel-Air, MD I just want to pass along my best wishes and encouragement to you. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. I even checked with the U.S. Post Office to verify that the plan was legal. It definitely is! IT WORKS!!! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Sincerely yours, Phillip A. Brown, Esq. Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S. the people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program...11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!!!

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Re: cypherpunks and guns
by Ian Sparkes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 05:28 06.01.98 -0500, Ryan Lackey wrote: ><daemon(a)ATHENA.MIT.EDU> (Wei Dai) writes: > >> I don't understand why there is so much talk about guns here lately. >> Unless someone comes up with a weapon that has some very unusual economic >> properties, individuals cannot hope to compete with governments in the >> domain of deadly force. If we have to resort to physical violence, we've >> already lost! >> >> Think about it: if we can defend ourselves with guns, why would we need >> crypto? > >I am fairly certain that as an irregular army soldier I could inflict >a substantial amount of damage upon an occupying military. With maybe >$20k in equipment and several hundred hours of training, you could make >life very difficult for any luckless squad that happens your way. Multiply >that by 100 million armed citizens and you see that armed civilian >resistance *can* defeat an occupying army. > I'm not sure I am convinced by this argument. The "enemy within" seems to be the main focus of the discussions in the CP list. When the 'luckless squad that happens your way' is manned by your countrymen at the command of their (and your) government, what then? As far as I can see, the result would be a *very* bloody civil war. The outcome may indeed be less obvious than in a 'conventional' (i.e. unarmed populace) civil war, but the cost much higher. This is from the standpoint of a 'sissy' European. I admit I am poorly equipped to comment on the American Zeitgeist. However, my experience of civil war victims (refugees from the E-bloc) suggests that we should be concentrating on social revolution before we tool up for military. There is more to be won, with a potentially much lower cost. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNLImc4n3W0ooQnZKEQL4VwCffzMNK1MfQ/1zMv+E/3dfoioc8e8AoL0d uZMzgq6LPu9nVe90kcA49cbG =yL/D -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: cypherpunks and guns
by Ian Sparkes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:28 06.01.98 -0500, Ryan Lackey wrote: ><daemon(a)ATHENA.MIT.EDU> (Wei Dai) writes: > >> I don't understand why there is so much talk about guns here lately. >> Unless someone comes up with a weapon that has some very unusual economic >> properties, individuals cannot hope to compete with governments in the >> domain of deadly force. If we have to resort to physical violence, we've >> already lost! >> >> Think about it: if we can defend ourselves with guns, why would we need >> crypto? > >I am fairly certain that as an irregular army soldier I could inflict >a substantial amount of damage upon an occupying military. With maybe >$20k in equipment and several hundred hours of training, you could make >life very difficult for any luckless squad that happens your way. Multiply >that by 100 million armed citizens and you see that armed civilian >resistance *can* defeat an occupying army. > I'm not sure I am convinced by this argument. The "enemy within" seems to be the main focus of the discussions in the CP list. When the 'luckless squad that happens your way' is manned by your countrymen at the command of their (and your) government, what then? Will you still attempt to defeat the 'occupying army'? As far as I can see, the result would be a *very* bloody civil war. The outcome may indeed be less obvious than in a 'conventional' (i.e. unarmed populace) civil war, but the cost much higher. Bear in mind that this is from the standpoint of a 'sissy' European. I admit I am poorly equipped to comment on the American Zeitgeist. However, my experience of civil war victims (extensive contact with refugees from the E-bloc) suggests to me that we should be concentrating on social revolution before we tool up for a military one. There is more to be won, with a potentially much lower cost. By all means buy the hardware, that is after all your right. Just spare the hero talk. *Everyone* thinks they'll be one of the survivors in a war, just as 95% of the population believe they have an above average IQ. My understanding of the word 'revolution' in this context means realigning the opinions of the governments and peoples around the globe to allow freedoms such as those supported by Cypherpunks to be freely available. An example of this is to work against the misinformation spread by 'them' which leads the average Joe (dumb or not) to think that 'Encrypted Data = Child Porn/Drug Barons planning something big/More child porn'.

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Re: 800 pound GorillaSoft
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 6 Jan 1998, Salvatore DeNaro passed me this url: http://www.motherjones.com/mother_jones/JF98/burstein.html "But instead of waiting for a ruling on the case, the BSA abruptly dropped the suit in the fall of 1997. The BSA receives funding from most of the top software companies but appears to be most heavily funded by Microsoft. And, according to Antel's information technology manager, Ricardo Tascenho, the company settled the matter by signing a "special agreement" with Microsoft to replace all of its software with Microsoft products...." Happy happy joy joy. Microsoft saves a pirate by assimilating it. Resistance is futile. You will sell NT. :( =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder(a)sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ==========================

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fwd: The Swedes discover Lotus Notes has key escrow! (Win Treese)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(From the SpyKing Security Mailing list) 2)From: Mike G <mgevaert(a)bfree.on.ca> Subject: Lotus Privacy Problems This was taken from the Computer Privacy Digest 1/4/98 V12#00 Very interesting. The Swedes discover Lotus Notes has key escrow! (Win Treese) The article describes the reaction when various people in the Swedish government learned that the Lotus Notes system they were using includes key escrow. They were apparently unaware of this until Notes was in use by thousands of people in government and industry. Besides being an interesting reaction to key escrow systems, this incident reminds us that one should understand the real security of a system.... Secret Swedish E-Mail Can Be Read by the U.S.A. Fredrik Laurin, Calle Froste, *Svenska Dagbladet*, 18 Nov 1997 One of the world's most widely used e-mail programs, the American Lotus Notes, is not so secure as most of its 400,000 to 500,000 Swedish users believe. To be sure, it includes advanced cryptography in its e-mail function, but the codes that protect the encryption have been surrendered to American authorities. With them, the U.S. government can decode encrypted information. Among Swedish users are 349 parliament members, 15,000 tax agency employees, as well as employees in large businesses and the defense department. ``I didn't know that our Notes keys were deposited (with the U.S.). It was interesting to learn this,'' says Data Security Chief Jan Karlsson at the [Swedish] our Notes keys were deposited (with the U.S.). It was interesting to learn this,'' says Data Security Chief Jan Karlsson at the [Swedish] defense department. Gunnar Grenfors, Parliament director and daily e-mail user, says, ``I didn't know about this--here we handle sensitive information concerning Sweden's interests, and we should not leave the keys to this information to the U.S. government or anyone else. This must be a basic requirement.'' Sending information over the Internet is like sending a postcard--it's that simple to read these communications. When e-mail is encrypted, it becomes unintelligible for anyone who captures it during transport. Only those who have the right codes or raw computer power to break the encryption can read it. For crime prevention and national security reasons, the United States has tough regulations concerning the level of crytography that may be exported. Both large companies and intelligence agencies can already--in a fractions of a second--break the simpler cryptographic protections. For the world-leading American computer industry, cryptographic export controls are therefore an ever greater obstacle. This slows down utilization of the Internet by businesses because companies outside the U.S.A. do not dare to send important information over the Internet. On the other hand, the encryption that may be used freely within the U.S.A. is substantially more secure. Lotus, a subsidiary of the American computer giant IBM, has negotiated a special solution to the problem. Lotus gets to export strong cryptography with the requirement that vital parts of the secret keys are deposited with the U.S. government. ``The difference between the American Notes version and the export version lies in degrees of encryption. We deliver 64 bit keys to all customers, but 24 bits of those in the version that we deliver outside of the United States are deposited with the American government. That's how it works today,'' says Eileen Rudden, vice president at Lotus. Those 24 bits are critical for security in the system. 40-bit encryption is broken by a fast computer in several seconds, while 64 bits is much more time-consuming to break if one does not have the 24 bits [table omitted]. Lotus cannot answer as to which authorities have received the keys and what rules apply for giving them out. The company has confidence that the American authorities responsible for this have full control over the keys and can ensure that they will not be misused. On the other hand, this (assurance) does not matter to Swedish companies. On the contrary, there is a growing understanding that it would be an unacceptable security risk to place the corporation's own ``master key'' in the hands of foreign authorities. Secret information can leak or be spread through, for example, court decisions in other countries. These concerns are demonstrated clearly in a survey by the SAF Trade and Industry security delegation. Some 60 companies answered the survey. They absolutely do not want keys deposited in the U.S.A. It is business secrets they are protecting. These corporations fear that anyone can get a hold of this information, states Claes Blomqvist at SAF. Swedish businesses are also afraid of leaks within the American authorities. The security chief at SKF, Lars Lungren, states: ``If one has a lawful purpose for having control over encryption, it isn't a problem. But the precept is flawed: They ought to monitor (internally), but the Americans now act as if there are no crooks working within their authorities.'' In some countries, intelligence agencies clearly have taken a position on their country's trade and industry. Such is the case in France. One example, which French authorities chose to publicize, was in 1995 when five CIA agents were deported after having spied on a French telecommunications company. Win Treese <treese(a)openmarket.com> [The Lotus Notes crypto scheme is one that I have familiarly been calling ``64 40 or fight!'' (in a reference to a slogan for an early U.S. election campaign border-dispute issue many years ago. PGN]

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Gadget Warfare, from the Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

********* http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1669,00.html The Netly News (http://netlynews.com/) January 6, 1998 Gadget Warfare by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) For a country with no real military rivals, the U.S. still manages to find an amazing number of enemies. Terrorists top the list of anti-American villains, according to a Pentagon report released last month. The 100-page document, called "Responses to Transnational Threats," describes how the military should respond to the threat of saboteurs and bombers aiming for violence, not victory. The solution, according to the Pentagon, is to develop a set of gadgets that would make even James Bond jealous: * STICKY ELECTRONICS Think SpiderMan's spidertracers, only smaller. "Sticky electronics" adhere to a suspected terrorist's clothing, hair, luggage or vehicle and report his location. These almost microscopic gizmos tune in to satellite signals and transmit their exact latitude and longitude. "To conserve battery (and mission life) they would respond only when" activated by a radio signal, the Pentagon says. And if you're the suspicious type, sprinkle some in your spouse's underwear. * DATA MINING If you worried about the FBI's jones for access to your data, wait 'til you find out what the military hopes to do. The Pentagon wants authority to sift through private-sector databases in hopes of tracking down, say, the World Trade Center bombers before they strike. The plan is to incorporate "real-time data on international border crossings, real-time cargo manifests, global financial transactions and the global network carrying international airline ticket manifests." As new private-sector databases are developed, "the baseline system would be augmented so that the correlation and fusion process becomes more automated." But the benefits of invading everyone's privacy are dubious: It's hard to imagine the alleged Unabomber, for instance, showing up in computer files. [...]

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