December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

IRC Internet chat with Electronic Frontiers
by Robert A. Costner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I sent this message to the cypherpunks list (cyberpass) about 12 hours ago, but have not seen it come up, so I'm sending it again. My apologies if you get two copies. (this copy does have more listed at the bottom in the schedule.) There will be a series of IRC internet chats with Electronic Frontiers. We wish to address two main problems. The Electronic Frontiers movement is misunderstood by a lot of people, and there is not enough communication between the independent EF organizations. The idea was sparked by the recent Cypherpunks Christmas Eve chat. Thanks for the idea. The members of the cypherpunks mail list are invited to our upcoming internet chats. Dates and info are below. The Electronic Frontiers movement is several independent organizations that share a common thread to their name. Each group speaks for themselves and are not associated with each other. The various EF organizations have no association with the group called EFF. We are grassroots organizations of concerned citizens of our geographic areas, volunteering our time and energy. EF organizations exist in several US states and in different countries around the world. EF organizations have been responsible for activities such as winning court cases like the Georgia Internet Anonymity and web linking lawsuit, and the anti-spoofing spam lawsuit in Texas (flowers.com) Of particular interest to Cypherpunks is the fact that EFGA hosts a variety of cypherpunk technologies, including a Cypherpunk Type-1 remailer, nymserver, and mixmaster remailer. We also have a PGP keyserver. Recently we created an FTP archive of privacy software. So far this has been front ends for remailers and PGP software that various software authors have sent us to host. All you need is an IRC client, and to log onto EFnet. If you have questions on how to do this, ask the list. I'm a newbie with IRC and can't help that much. The first chat is Thursday, tomorrow, New Years day at 7:00 pm New York time. ------------- There will be an IRC internet chat session for Electronic Frontiers. More info can be found at http://www.efga.org/about/meeting.html Get out your IRC client and visit us on EFnet IRC in the #ElectronicFrontiers channel. There will be a chat session on * Thursday, January 1, 1998 at 7:00pm EST hosted by Robert Costner of Electronic Frontiers Georgia. * Saturday, January 3, 1998 at 3:00pm EST hosted by Scott Brower of Electronic Frontiers Florida. * Wednesday, January 7, 1998 at 5:00 EST (2:00pm Pacific) hosted by Jon Lebkowsky of EF-Texas * To be announced hosted by Electronic Frontiers Australia (EFA) These will be our first chat sessions. After we see how this goes, we will try to setup something on a regular basis. -- Robert Costner Phone: (770) 512-8746 Electronic Frontiers Georgia mailto:pooh@efga.org http://www.efga.org/ run PGP 5.0 for my public key

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Location Escrow anyone ?
by Dave Emery 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This off another list ... More than fair use perhaps, but significant. -------------------------------------------------------- Tracking of Swiss mobile phone users starts row Copyright © 1997 Reuters ZURICH (December 28, 1997 4:12 p.m. EST http://www.nando.net) - Swiss police have secretly tracked the whereabouts of mobile phone users via a telephone company computer that records billions of movements going back more than half a year, a Sunday newspaper reported. The revelation in the SonntagsZeitung newspaper triggered objections from politicians and the country's privacy ombudsman about high-tech snooping on citizens who like the convenience of a mobile phone. Officials from state telephone company Swisscom confirmed the practice, but insisted information about mobile customers was only handed out on court orders. "Swisscom has stored data on the movements of more than a million mobile phone users. It can call up the location of all its mobile subscribers down to a few hundred meters and going back at least half a year," the paper reported. "When it has to, it can exactly reconstruct down to the minute who met whom, where and for how long for a confidential tete-a-tete," it said. Some 3,000 base stations across the country track the location of mobile phones as soon as they are switched on, not just when customers are having conversations, it said. Prosecutors called the records a wealth of information that helped track criminals' movements. "This is a very efficient investigation tool," Renato Walti, an investigating magistrate in Zurich who specialises in organised crime, was quoted as telling the paper. The paper said Swisscom and law-enforcement officials were reluctant to discuss the records, which were supposed to be secret. But it quoted Toni Stadelmann, head of Swisscom's mobile phone division, as saying: "We release the movement profile of mobile telephone customers on a judge's order." SonntagsZeitung said there was no legal basis for storing such information. "I am unaware of any law that would allow the preventative collection of data for investigative purposes," it quoted Odilo Guntern, the federal ombudsman for protecting individuals' privacy, as saying. "Secretly collecting data is highly problematic," added Alexander Tschaeppat, a judge and member of the lower house of parliament. Copyright © 1997 Nando.net -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die(a)die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18

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17 Dec '03

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Jim Bell... lives... on... in... Hollywood!
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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HIP97 photos & hate speech in list opinions
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cpunks (and Bcc list), I've had a kind offer from Judith to scan my HIP photos and display them on the web (www.sabotage.org) This should happen in a few days. The photos include Alex, Judith, DDT, Ulf, Ian Grigg, Lucky, Sameer, Joichi and others. Re: Hate speech and censorship, 22 Dec, Anonymous > On behalf of the non-racist cypherpunks, please accept an apology for > Paul Bradley's racist message: > > uneducated and foolish arabs such as Parekh should stick > > to what they do best: running kebab shops and/or selling cheap fake rolex > > watches to tourists. > This does not reflect the mainstream view on the list. .... I found Sameer perfectly pleasant. IMO the best view to take on mainstream views is that you can't usually tell. Silence could indicate killfiles rather than assent. -- ############################################################## # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ##############################################################

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Long-distance limits on Bells unconstitutional [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Peter Huber on the Orwellian Falacy
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: oldbear(a)pop.tiac.net Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 15:09:58 -0500 To: Digital Commerce Society of Boston <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> From: The Old Bear <oldbear(a)arctos.com> Subject: Peter Huber on the Orwellian Falacy Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: The Old Bear <oldbear(a)arctos.com> HIGH-TECH'S LIBERATING EFFECT As the Internet makes inroads into information-restrictive nations, such as China, efforts to limit access to only "desirable" ideas are doomed to failure, say experts. "The complaint one hears against the Internet isn't that there is too little speech," says Manhattan Institute analyst Peter Huber. "Instead, the argument is that there is too much hateful or pornographic speech. Stalin manipulated the past, altering photos and just wiping people and events out of the historical record. But today, documents and photos get downloaded and stored in files all over the world. You can make corrupt copies, false copies, but you can't erase real copies now." Huber, author of the book "Orwell's Revenge," applauds the move by industry to make encryption products widely available: "It means that we can now create a zone of privacy that the government can't penetrate. That's the exact opposite of what Orwell through would happen." source: Investor's Business Daily December 30, 1997 as summarized by Edupage For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Guns: H&K, G3, 7.62 v 5.56 [Guns]
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May <tcmay@got net> continues the sniping discussion: >I haven't seen Jim's reaction to my point about bolt-action rifles still >being far and away the favored weapon for sniping. Neither an AR-15 variant >nor an HK variant are advised for long-range shots (though either will of >course be capable of such shots...it's just that one wants the absolute >best precsion, and cycling rate is largely immaterial). In a rich target environment where you're firing from concealment, I think it is better to have a semiauto 7.62mmN rifle such as an accurized HK91 or a national match M1A, assuming the enemy has snipers or long-range antisniper weaponry. Why? 1) It is likely to be a target rich environment. USMC sniper doctrine is mainly single target single kill attacks from outside 600 yards. Former Soviet and US Army snipers mainly engaged multiple targets inside that range for tactical support. Defending against a raid is primarily tactical support sniping, killing the vice president of a country other than the US is primarily USMC style scout/sniping. Thus, in defending against a raid, Soviet-style weapons are probably better. 7.62x54R Dra----v rifles are probably a good model -- iirc (I've never fired one), they're semi auto bullpups. [eeek, www.guns.ru is selling them with bayonets! tactical close range sniping, aye!]. Or the SEAL sniper weapon -- an accurized M14, which is basically an M1A. With a good scope and better trigger, an M14/M1A can be 1 MOA, and it's a real battle rifle, with the ability to engage multiple targets quickly due to the semi-auto action. Also, when you're operating without a spotter/security man, it's nice to have the ability to quickly kill anyone in close. With an M1A, you just move from your concealment, kill, and return, wasting a minimum of time. I guess in a home you could just keep an AR-15 next to you for such close-in dealings, though. 2) In my (somewhat limited) experience, many field-improvised concealment locations are great during firing, but when you move to cycle the action on a bolt action rifle, you make the concealment shake or otherwise reveal yourself. Against a force with sniper/antisniper weaponry, that will likely bring down a hail of fire, which is suboptimal at best. USMC snipers generally solve this by firing once and leaving, since it's confusing and hard to localize on a single gunshot, but in a target rich environment, you might not be able to move. And they may have you surrounded, so it's hard to move without being seen. 3) A semi-auto is generally more useful for non-sniping tasks. I can barely carry an M1A, spare ammo, supplies, etc. for a couple days without being annoyed at the weight -- I sure wouldn't want to add a SMG or assault carbine to that. I would not have a problem with using a battle rifle/sniper rifle against a force armed with assault carbines and SMGs, though. True, this may be less of an issue inside a house, since you could just leave all your supplies cached throughout. I still thing you need to remain concealed and hopefully in cover, and if they bring heavy weapons to bear, you are going to have to move around the house, at least. A PSG-1 ends up being cheaper than 10 match-grade Remington 700s -- besides, the scope is much more expensive than the gun anyway (perhaps I just like overly expensive scopes) All that being said, for field use and home defense, if I'm alone, I'd take a barrett .50 browning for long-range USMC-style scout-sniping, or antimateriel sniping, and either a PSG-1 if money is no object (it's not *that* expensive, if you actually use it), or the German Army sniping system (or my^H^Ha national match M1A or M14) if money is only somewhat an object, or a Dragunov if money is a limiting factor, for anti-sniping or support sniping. And I strongly feel anti-raid sniping is of the latter category. (True, your gun is the best 7.62 USMC-style rifle other than the PSG-1..) Even better than that would be the addition of a spotter/security person with an M16 :) And some nice *cover* for where you fire from, in the form of earth, concrete, sandbags, or Spectra. And if the sky is the limit, something to engage light armor, like a 20mm rifle or tactical air support :) *ObCrypto!*: The choice of cryptographic tools is somewhat like the choice of sniper weaponry. A OTP is remarkably like a bolt-action rifle of infinite accuracy. Say, a USAF prototype 20mm laser guided sniper rifle. Use it twice in the same place, and get slagged in automatic cannon fire. However, it is ideal for "one shot one kill" perfect secrecy. A steganographically-protected data stream is much like a silenced subsonic carbine. A remailer network is much like a remote electrically-fired weapon (someone at a pistol match tried this with a free pistol, won, and the technique was banned the next year :) PGP is the PSS -- pretty [good] sniping system, pretty good precision. Useful for a lot of things, and since it's one of the better tools, it gets used for a lot of things where another solution might be better. :) Of course, I'd be kind of biased to call a working Eternity implementation and/or working and distributed digital cash system the PSG-1. -- Ryan Lackey rdl(a)mit.edu http://mit.edu/rdl/

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Re: Guns: H&K, G3, 7.62 v 5.56 [Guns] (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Guns: H&K, G3, 7.62 v 5.56 [Guns] > From: Ryan Lackey <rdl(a)mit.edu> > Date: 01 Jan 1998 13:47:02 -0500 > 2) In my (somewhat limited) experience, many field-improvised concealment > locations are great during firing, but when you move to cycle the action > on a bolt action rifle, you make the concealment shake or otherwise reveal > yourself. Against a force with sniper/antisniper weaponry, that will likely > All that being said, for field use and home defense, if I'm alone, I'd > take a barrett .50 browning for long-range USMC-style scout-sniping, or You obviously haven't seen the flash or the dust cloud from one of these beasties fired from ground level. Hiding at anything less than a mile is not something you're going to do very well. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Mobile phones used as trackers
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Mobile phones used as trackers > BY MICHAEL EVANS AND NIGEL HAWKES > > MOBILE PHONES can be used as tracking devices to > pinpoint users within a few hundred yards, according to a > report yesterday. > > Sonntags Zeitung, published in Zurich, said Swiss police > had been secretly tracking mobile phone users through a > telephone company computer. > > "Swisscom [the state-owned telephone company] has > stored data on the movements of more than a million > mobile phone users and can call up the location of all its > mobile subscribers down to a few hundred metres and > going back at least half a year," the paper reports, adding: > "When it has to, it can exactly reconstruct, down to the > minute, who met whom, where and for how long for a > confidential tte--tte." Anyone who desires not to be constantly tracked should carry a one-way pager and keep your cell phone turned off. This way you can return calls when it suits you and from a location of your choosing. In some U.S. localities I understand, it it possible to rent cellphone w/o offering any form of ID, only a deposit to cover the instrument and a prepayment for the airtime This may be illegal in some EU countries. To keep someone from correlating your pager info and cellular you'd want your callers to send 'coded' info, rather than phone numbers. --Steve PGP mail preferred, see http://www.pgp.com and http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html RSA fingerprint: FE90 1A95 9DEA 8D61 812E CCA9 A44A FBA9 RSA key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=0x55C78B0D --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 Lammar Laboratories | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: schear(a)lvdi.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Okay, I'd like to set up a remailer - but I don't know where to start! Unfortunatly it's going to have to run on an NT 4.0 box, so the winsock remailer is out of the question, right? And I'm not in the US, so I can't use the juno stuff -- so what (if anything) *can* I use? Thanks for any help...

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Re: HIP97 photos
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alex de Joode : > Hmm, I think she only got 3 photos .. End of one film. The rest are in the post now. -- ############################################################## # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ##############################################################

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W.F. Friedman - A reputation revisited?...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Thought I would pass an interesting quote along regarding Friedman. I think it may have some interest considering the holding of Friedman by some cpunks... Combined Fleet Decoded: The secret history of American intelligence and the Japanese navy in WWII John Prados ISBN 0-679-43701-0 pp. 164 "This is not to say the solution occurred in a vacuum, however. It was OP-20-G that had solved Red, predecessor to the new diplomatic system, and Commander Safford recognized that his organization needed outside help on Purple. He went to his Army counterpart, The Signal Intelligence Service (SIS), which formed part of the Signal Corps: there, senior cryptanalyst William F. Friedman, was an expert on machine based encipherment systems. Under Friedman, chief of the team attacking the B Machine would be Frank B. Rowlett. Other SIS cryptanalysts, an electronics engineer, accounting machine experts, and Japanese linguist formed the rest of the group. Friedman, too often given credit as the man who "broke" Purple, made only sporadic contributions amid other duties. His main role came in selecting members of Rowlett's team, with an assist on diagnosis and analysis of the sytsem. Robert O. Ferner was Rowlett's second, with cryptanalysts Genevieve Grotjan, Albert W. Small, and Samuel S. Snyder plus crytographic specialists Glenn S. Landig, Kenneth D. Miller, and Cyrus C. Sturgis Jr. The top Japanese linguist was John B. Hurt, a Virginian like Rowlett himself." ____________________________________________________________________ | | | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make | | violent revolution inevitable. | | | | John F. Kennedy | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Banned video "Democratic Alternative" now online
by SPG 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The "Democratic Alternative for the Basque Country" video (banned in Spain) is now available in RealVideo format thanks to Contrast.Org. You can watch or download the video from the Euskal Herria Journal "mirror" sites: http://www.osis.ucsd.edu/~ehj http://www.contrast.org/mirrors/ehj Leaders of Herri Batasuna in Bizkaia and Gipuzkoa were jailed on Friday to begin serving their seven year prison sentences for having disseminated ETA's peace proposal, the Democratic Alternative. On December 1, 1997, Spain's Supreme Court convicted the entire leadership of Herri Batasuna of "collaborating with an armed group" and sentenced them to seven years each in prison for attempting to show a video (The Democratic Alternative), a proposal for cease-fire and peace from the Basque armed organization ETA during an election campaign broadcast last year. The court failed to prove the participation of each of the 23 politicians in the decision to broadcast the video and thus, it violates the principle of the presumption of innocence. The judges considered that a crime was committed when in fact the video had never been broadcasted. Moreover, the judges applied Franco's Penal Code, which declared the crime of "collaborating with an armed band" as any type of collaboration with the activities and goals of an armed group. It thus criminalizes the role of intermediary in disseminatiing negotiating positions or peace proposals in a bitter and long standing conflict. When Herri Batasuna first showed the video in public meetings in early 1996, Spain's National Court (Franco's Tribunal of Public Order renamed) banned the video. The then Socialist government--more than 14 of whose police and senior government officials and a Civil Guard general have been formally charged for their involvement in the creation, funding, and activities of the death squads that killed at least 28 suspected Basque activists in the mid 1980s--instructed the attorney general to investigate whether Herri Batasuna should be outlawed. Herri Batasuna then attempted to use segments of the ETA video to disseminate the peace proposal in their election campaign but its broadcast was banned. In May 1996, the Socialist lost the general elections to the Partido Popular (Popular Party, founded by Franco's Minister of Interior). In January 1997, Spain's Supreme Court decided to prosecute the 23 leaders of Herri Batasuna. Over 30,000 people rallied in February in the Basque city of Bilbo to protest the prosecution of the Herri Batasuna leadership. The demonstration, which was initially peaceful, turned into a violent confrontation when the police opened fire with live ammunition, wounding several people. In June, an International Commission for Freedom of Expression presented the Manifesto to the Public Opinion and the International Community in support of free speech and opposition to the trial against Herri Batasuna. The president of Sinn Fein, Gerry Adams, and other distinguished individuals are among the 700 signatories who endorsed the Manifesto. International observers from human rights organizations in eleven countries watching the proceedings issued a joint statement saying that the accused were given the burden of proof which "violates the fundamental principle of the presumption of innocence." Basque political parties have strongly criticized the sentences, saying that the trial was politically motivated and dashed hopes for a peace dialogue. Herri Batasuna attorneys said that nothing had been proven and that the trial was intended to outlaw a political party which represents much of the vote of the Basque people. They will appeal the sentence.

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Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:18 PM 1/1/98 +0000, Paul Bradley wrote: >> It is about basic human decency, and giving a person a fighting chance. >No, acts of law which require employers not to discriminate against >niggers, wops, kikes or greezers, or any other ratial group infringe >basic rights of association, I personally have no racist prejudices, but >recognise the freedom of others to be as bigotted as they care to be. Does that include the krauts, micks, limeys, frogs as well as the canucks and pea soup eaters? The polacks, chinks and dagos? The Wogs too? Can't we all be ethnic slurs together? Which reminds me. We never did get a good one for the Russians. Any nominations? -=-=- Censorship is OK if it is of them. -- the F-C motto

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Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:13 PM 1/1/98 +0000, Paul Bradley wrote: > >> > Should the government be able to take action against me because I fire >> > someone for being jewish/black/homosexual??? >> >> Welcome to the 20th Century, moron. > >You clearly have no comprehension of the principles of the free market >and the rights of businesses and individual to hire and fire whoever the >fuck they like for any reason whatsoever. I am no racist, but I defend >your right to be as racist as you see fit. You are obviously an evil person if you do so against the self annointed, even though they self identify themselves as 30% racist. -=-=- Censorship is OK if it is of them. -- the F-C motto

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Need secondary DNS
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am looking for somebody outside North America to run a secondary DNS for cypherpunks.to. Please email me directly, not the list. Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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Re: Defamation of the goverment
by rights＠super.zippo.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >In the U. S. a public figure must show actual malice and reckless disregard >for truth to recover damages for defamation. >But how does this apply to the >goverment itself, the president, and to a foreign goverment? >Seditious speech >against the U. S. goverment is protected under Brandenburg v. Ohio >But what if >for instance a Singaporian or German citizen uses a remailer in California to >insult the head of state, the goverment or the rulingparty at home? >Would >willfully promotion of falsehood about a foreign goverment or a foreign >goverment institution be protected speech? >Could the Singaporian or German >head of state or any goverment institution within these countries recover >damages for defamation committed in the U.S. through a local SP? >As far I >understand it, there is two matters of relevance. >1) Sed¹tious advocacy under >the Brandenburg standard. >2) Defamation precedence in which the Supreme Court >ruled that a public figure has to demonstrate actual malice and reckless >disregard for truth. >The Supreme Court has never ruled that _all_ speech is >protected unless it is directed to incite or produce imminent lawless or >likely to incite or produce such action. >Does this mean that defamation >against the goverment or a foreign goverment could be subject for civil action >as long the statute applied would meet the Sullivan standard? >

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17 Dec '03

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by remailer＠geocities.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Check out <http://www.cyberpass.net/~winsock/>, for a remailer that will run on any winsock compatible connection. I think there is a ftp site in europe. I can't remember if it runs on NT, so check out the site. At 10:58 AM 1/1/98 -0800, you wrote: >Okay, I'd like to set up a remailer - but I don't know where to start! Unfortunatly it's going to have to run on an NT 4.0 box, so the winsock remailer is out of the question, right? And I'm not in the US, so I can't use the juno stuff -- so what (if anything) *can* I use? > >Thanks for any help... > > > > > >

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RE: Location Escrow anyone ?
by Pearson Shane 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello all, >> "Swisscom has stored data on the movements of more than a million mobile >> phone users. It can call up the location of all its mobile subscribers down >> to a few hundred meters and going back at least half a year," the paper >> reported. > >They probably say a few hundred meters so the people don't feel >their privacy is too ridiculously invaded / soften the blow. > >If this is a GSM network then I think they can probably pinpoint >your location down to 2 possible locations within a few meters >due to the digital timing involved with the very precise spread >spectrum radio. Or maybe your actual location within a meter or 2. > >I have heard of digital mobile phones that have a feature in their test/diag >mode that displays the distance to the current base station in meters, >and also displays info of a second base station that it would most likely >switch to when moving out of the current cell. >Even if the telco only had the distance info to your phone within a meter >from 2 of their base stations, they could calculate where you are if need >be to 2 possible locations within meters. >Surely though they would have the capability of recording distance info >from 3 base stations, pin pointing you exactly during a call or the exact >spot your phone requested a cell change. > >And during a call, if need be, they could probably plot your position at >around 10,000 samples per second. :) Though for them to be keeping >this much info on you, you are obviously being investigated. > >Isn't it ironic that people who use GSM for it's "security" can have this >much info of their whereabouts known to big brother/whoever? >Not to mention their actual conversation. > >Imagine Mr.Drug Dealer turns up to court and watches as the jury is >presented with a floorplan on screen and an animated pinpoint of his >phones position while a recording of his conversation is played in sync? > >The world just about, has no idea! >To say big brother is watching is a gross understatement. :) > >He's gunna find out who's naughty and nice. > >Bye for now.

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Re: Guns: H&K, G3, 7.62 v 5.56 [Guns] (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 1/1/98 2:19 PM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: >> Subject: Re: Guns: H&K, G3, 7.62 v 5.56 [Guns] >> From: Ryan Lackey <rdl(a)mit.edu> >> Date: 01 Jan 1998 13:47:02 -0500 > >> 2) In my (somewhat limited) experience, many field-improvised >> concealment locations are great during firing, but when you move >> to cycle the action on a bolt action rifle, you make the concealment >> shake or otherwise reveal yourself. Against a force with >> sniper/antisniper weaponry, that will likely > >> All that being said, for field use and home defense, if I'm alone, >> I'd take a barrett .50 browning for long-range USMC-style >> scout-sniping, or > >You obviously haven't seen the flash or the dust cloud from one of >these beasties fired from ground level. Hiding at anything less >than a mile is notsomething you're going to do very well. IIRC, the Barret gun with all its gear is also a multiperson load as well, so the 'alone' part isn't very valid either. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNKx6SD7r4fUXwraZAQEzGgf/Ymp7/s0+FlgpBQgNs81x8cqasRAjFrIf gvF0fG+XsLeoDaeohFf1uKUktkYE0zoO5G3IBBY9QJ69uPYDKlyFfQJldWYHPL56 2i9bfMuqnrj+sCOLJl54X/WaucO9WrUYNC16RulXblPohj8HBqGp9y73iybbfycb mQdbfhyTYeuM5X3vjcCOVzKHTl4hPqxijeJjL4OUtx5NeUDnZWlp9PRkVDY5CHLu dvr8LJvmbF9vzUSOLAjUeHD3j8rjzR8wRQ9ZeeDkH6leevjuI1NAH/J1xB5bWxgC zrzud/QFgs0rX38YZlLnpP4iekXcqWaq2j+SfptBD1BthK7nuqf9mg== =33z2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Saying windows 95 is equal to Macintosh is like finding a potato that looks like Jesus and believing you've seen the Second Coming." -- Guy Kawasaki (MacWorld, Nov '95)

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Time to Pay the Piper
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >From: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart(a)pobox.com> >To: "Attila T. Hun" <attila(a)hun.org>, > cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net> >Subject: Re: Making them eat their words... (while they watch!) >Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 11:56:54 -0800 > > At 05:15 PM 12/21/1997 +0000, Attila T. Hun wrote: >> there is only one solution to organizations like M$ >> which are operated without ethics: treat them to the >> pleasures of not only the antitrust laws but the >> exquisite delights of RICO. > Nonsense, and I'm surprised to hear this from you. No, Bill. it's not nonsense... 1) when a true market monopoly exists, society _is_ entitled to intervene. I wrote my Harvard thesis on antitrust and the effect on society of a monopoly, regulated in the public interest as in AT&T v. the industrial monopolies. this may have been 35 years ago, but the principles are even more imperative now with the increasing concentration of real wealth both individually and corporately in the hands of a few. 2) why should you be surprised to hear this from me? sure, I would prefer anarchy per se, but have absolutely no faith that the vast majority would do anything except rape, pillage, and plunder. and, I think I have made my beliefs more than plain over the history trail of cypherpunks. anarchy is nothing more than an isolationist theory; as a political system it does not work --never has, never will. ergo, there is a need for some government in the interest of the people (sheeple, if you prefer). man has not proved his worth on this planet, and whether or not you believe in God is irrelevant. the last several generations have bequeathed a wilting, dying polluted earth to their children and grandchildren. therefore, I am neither your revolutionary anarchist nor your "lost in the clouds" libertarian idealist; I am just a pragmatist who wishes we could govern with an enlightened electorate in the manner of a New Hampshire town meeting; a pragmatist that I believe limited regulation is essential, but a foolish dreamer to hope for an enlightened electorate. > Treat them to the pleasures of the free market - > if you don't like them, start a Boycott M$ campaign, > and see if people stop buying their lousy software. no, Bill, there is no alternative in the mass market. A perfect example is Gate$ buying _both_ WebTV and their competitor to make sure he has _all_ the action. another is EnCarta. Gate$ gave it away until the other vendors dropped out of the market; now M$ charges for the encyclopedia. Gate$ is the perfect example of not only a pure monopoly with 90% of the OS market, but also a constructive monopoly who has leveraged the first position to force monopolies in other areas: 95% of word processing, 95% of spreadsheets, and approaching the total domination of the browser market. Secondly, Gate$ is spreading into the control of the means of distribution in cable, networks, etc. and likewise into media content. Gate$ current actions are those of a spoiled four year old child who sees nothing wrong with demanding it all. > The direct democracy of the free market is far more > appropriate than government here - it's $1/vote, > and if enough people vote against M$ they'll get the hint, > and it enough people vote _for_ M$, it's none of your > business. WRONG! when 90% of the voters are dependent on M$, M$ has bought the vote. to the average user, to vote against M$ is to vote against a free v. a not-free browser, etc. WRONG AGAIN: the OEM computer group has no choice either; software is available from virtually every software house for M$ --and only M$. therefore the OEM has no choice of operating system. without the software, any competing OS is useless. M$ has also intimidated and constrained the software houses. Corel is a good case in point with M$ threatening to withhold critical information on Windows 95 if Corel delivered their 32 bit product to OS/2 first. WRONG AGAIN: M$ has required OEMs to load Explorer as part of the "privilege" to be able to load the OS. That is restraint of trade. when they try to exercise total market control through their customers with their own marketing policies. WRONG AGAIN: M$ is forcing Explorer on totally non-related software vendors. Why should the accounting software vendor in MN be required to load Explorer to be able to distribute the OS --and, most additional M$ packages in networking, etc required Explorer for essential DLLs. this is "binding" in FTC unfair practices regulations. > It _is_ funny to see the Feds hiring a big corporate lawyer > to run their case; I guess they don't think Federal Prosecutors > are good enough. Surely if a low-level prosecutor can't hack it, > they should use their boss, and on up the hierarchical chain. > If Janet Reno can't do it either, they should replace her with > someone who can :-) GRIN? Bill, I'm surprised you would say this. Reno is not an anti-trust specialist. just how many of them are there in the country as a whole? not many? why? --not much anti-trust action; usually the FTC has been able to block mergers, etc. before they become a menace to society such as M$ has become. this is where the failure of the free market comes in: few companies manage to attain the total monopoly position; _none_ to date have done so with clean hands. frankly, Gate$' hands are dirtier than Cornelius Vanderbilt's hands were in his heyday; and Cornelius Vanderbilt made John D. Rockefeller and J.P. Morgan look like angels. Gate$' literally has not only violated the anti-trust laws and the FTC rules on fair competition, but he has done so deliberately in what can easily be defined as a conspiracy to limit or prevent access to the market --and that can be construed as a RICO offense --and should be. Neither Gate$ nor Ballmer show the slightest interest in backing off what they consider their God given rights in a free market to rape, pillage, and burn; they feel that M$ is entitled to tell the American (or world) buyer what he wants to buy. monopoly eliminates freedom of choice. I do not usually have much use for Jesse Berst, whom I generally consider a senseless and shameless M$ schill, like the rest of Ziff-Davis; however, this is what Jesse had to say Monday: Jesse Berst, 22 Dec. "I'm a fan of its [Microsoft's] accomplishments and its great products. More than that, I'm a fan of personal computing. That's why I can say that it's better for us -- and better for Microsoft -- if the DOJ forces the company to play fair. Only intense competition can keep a company from the hardening of the attitudes that eventually damaged companies such as IBM, Digital, Wang and Data General." to engender that competition, M$ needs to be forced to divest either operating systems or products. despite any imagined gains of their increasing integration, the market can not fall to a monolithic line and then expect further advances with no-one nipping at M$' heels unfortunately, M$ idea of competition has not been to be just the market leader --it has fostered an attitude that it can be the only player. and like all monopolies, M$ has fallen into the Al Sloan mode ("What's good for General Motors is good for the country"). more Jesse Berst, 22 Dec. "That's why I can say with all sincerity, the more you like Microsoft, the more you admire its accomplishments, the more you appreciate its products, the more you should root for the DOJ to win its latest case. Anybody who thinks otherwise should be forced to attend every single match of the World Wide Wrestling Federation next year. That will give them an up-close-and-painful taste of what happens when you do away with competition. Jesse, the Microsoft schill, is now at least as strident as I have been since the late 80s when the uncontrolled direction of Gate$' marketing and operating system leverage over office products became more than evident. the DOJ should have broken M$ into separate companies in 1994. instead, the DOJ made a deal with a "Joe Stalin", who, true to Lenin's manifestos, would sign any treaty which bought him time to develop the prohibited weapons --then he broke it. M$ violated the consent decree before it was certified in court and. in reality, applied even more onerous terms to the hardware OEM vendors; we are reaping the results of Gate$ incredible arrogance today. Gate$ also broke the public trust by arrogantly usurping by whatever means more of the market --his actions today are untenable in a civilized market. any suggestions that if you do not like M$, you should not buy M$ products are hollow inanities --to the public, there is no alternative --economies of scale and market dominance have wiped out all but a few niche market vendors. the sheeple never revolt; they just follow the Judas goat to the abattoir happily enjoying the free software while Gate$ builds his tollGate$ (nice pun --guess I will add that to my lexicon). the sheeple will not be happy when they find themselves being nicked for every transaction, on or off Gate$' networks. --and if Gate$ actions over the past 3 years were not enough, his ridiculous, affrontive, and offensive response to the Judge's order is prima facie evidence of not only a monopoly, not only a constructive monopoly, but a tyrannical, maniacal monster who is still a spoiled four year old brat with absolutely no conscience or sense of social responsibility. the fact Steve Ballmer, et al, echo this dictatorial policy in violation of US law is prima facia evidence of an ongoing criminal enterprise which employs extortion --yes, literally extortion-- in the furtherance of its business plan --and this is a RICO offense for which Gate$ and his henchman certainly appear to have deservedly earned the right to 3 hots and a cot for the 20 years minimum on the lesser RICO charge, or mandatory life imprisonment on a conspiracy of greater than 6. Secondly, none of Gate$ lieutenants and captains can claim they acted under orders; it wont fly any more than it flew at Nuremberg. Esther Dyson (with Margie Wylie of CNET) But it is big government that's watching them, not ... Yes--and that's why we need to keep...I mean, God bless the Justice Department for fighting Microsoft; God bless Microsoft for creating good products, and the customers for keeping everybody in line. This is what I want: I don't want anybody to win. I want the game to keep going. I want little guys to keep on coming up and tweaking the noses of the big guys. I've always been a believer in antitrust. It's the concentration of power that bothers me, not whether it's "for profit" or "for government." And I've never claimed to be or not to be a Libertarian. People put labels on things and stop thinking. a good clear statement from Dyson on the public interest. do you think M$ should be permitted to behave in their autocratic and callous manner towards software developers who have no need for Explorer? Brian Glaeske, a programmer/analyst with Fargo, North Dakota-based Great Plains Software, complained to the US Justice Department last month that Microsoft effectively requires him and others to provide its browser in his accounting software, which has nothing to do with the World Wide Web or the Internet. "Microsoft should not be permitted to force third-party developers to redistribute Microsoft Internet Explorer in order to use [new] features," Glaeske wrote to Joel Klein, the Justice Department's top pursuer of antitrust allegations. is not Glaeske's position reasonable? the real point however, does not relate to the browser; the bottom line is that Glaeske, and most of the software developers, do not have an alternative to Microsoft as an operating system. Oh, sure, some clients will run Unix flavours and there are vendors for most high profile applications on unix and OS/2, but the vast majority (90%) of the clients take the easy way out and go Microsoft --M$ is what the employees have at home; M$ is what the "trained" employees have used before.... there are millions of arguments, after WinTel being cheaper, why they should not change --starting with "why should we be different?" a pure free market is anarchy; anarchy may be a wonderful idea for utopian people; the human race is far from being anything except a selfish, greedy collection of individuals who are constrained either by the threats of fire and brimstone from the church, or the laws of the land which punish transgressions of socially acceptable behaviour --fair or not. even Teddy Roosevelt wrote that anarchists should be hunted down and exterminated like vermin. William H. Gates III is just another robber baron who really believes the statement: "What's good for Microsoft is good for the country." Al Sloan never realized his monopoly with General Motors, although there have been periods where GM was over 50% of the market (when Chrysler was close to failing). Bill Gates has created an effective monopoly _world_ _wide_ which far surpasses any monopoly ever created by one individual or company; even John D. Rockefeller did not come close to Gate$' power. John D. was also rather benevolent. IBM never approached Gate$' level of monopoly. Gate$ has proven, and is proving while the very litigation is going on, that he is not a benevolent monopolist; there is only one way: Bill's way, and everyone will think like Bill, or they will be the vermin to be exterminated. and, that, my friends, is why there is such a thing as the public interest; and it should have been exercised on BadBillyG in 1994. my vote goes to prosecute Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer, at the very least, for violations of the Sherman Act, the Clayton Antitrust Act, and the Robinson-Patman amendments (FTC, etc.) to the full extent of the law, including criminal violations as warranted under those titles; and prosecute under the RICO statutes for an ongoing racketeering (extortion is racketeering) and criminal enterprise. frankly, I am disappointed that it has come to this, but Gate$ greed and lust for power has not only exceeded his common sense, it has transgressed the boundary of baseline social responsibility. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQBVAwUBNKyor7R8UA6T6u61AQHtcAH/XVaZQWl+IicPv7adVvLy/Yy4xkBj7mUP lyU0ecw8oQPCxB2zhtPQcwvPtCMJVBc3y8UtSuAu/i8Kn4XzWeS+EA== =GIWP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Location Escrow anyone ?
by Kay Ping 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>ZURICH (December 28, 1997 4:12 p.m. EST http://www.nando.net) - Swiss >>police have secretly tracked the whereabouts of mobile phone users via a >>telephone company computer that records billions of movements going back >>more than half a year, a Sunday newspaper reported. > >Don't be fooled that this is a swiss only problem. It's being done here in >Amerika right now. The FCC has issued a ruling that will require all cellular telephone carriers to provide location information on all 911 calls. By the year 2001, this location information is to provide 125 metres of accuracy 67% of the time. Helping emergency services locate 911 callers is a great excuse for installing a cellular location system. Even better than the excuses they gave for eavesdropping-ready digital switches and limits on encryption. - -------------- Kay Ping nop 'til you drop -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: cp850 iQEQAwUBNKyXURHPAso8Qp7tAQH+LgfRATtByYG8nB+gbqvrJ96SGdhRPhXUWnzl 7gHW9+nr6lNQxgbFnU1cpOKR76Y0MEj80ls9n9DojlQuIKJD1RHXc7GQA3k0IVZU yXYyy8Z89dvVUxprVjt0MylxY1+fP7pGLVcViz9jZ/5cgZSgUdRKQNAWpp9g/Ww4 8GYSXGYGrC8hCPoD+i/cjwC3FEQVD+GzSmXnadK8a2a+stiehN1bw/p61+vizxQZ C9YG1AS54Ttzh/jUjnHmRwNYtY4J0i9zUXxElbwj8PcOW9GewTPw+/6fiQ63c35Q 2pCi2q9dk1jFtgIXfrBusSkKS9wP0yYmtLG6lc52YtC6MNE= =+pHY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Which reminds me. We never did get a good one for the Russians. Any >nominations? Klintonkov? As in Comrade Klintonkov?

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Meganet's Unbreakable Virtual Matrix Encryption Takes the Market by Storm; Finally in 1998 Absolute Security...
by ichudov＠Algebra.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: remailer
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 20:44 01/01/98 EST, you wrote: > Check out <http://www.cyberpass.net/~winsock/>, for a remailer that will > run on any winsock compatible connection. I think there is a ftp site in > europe. I can't remember if it runs on NT, so check out the site. Thanks for the help - I've tried the latest version with no luck. The docs state that it works under win95 now but there are still some issues with NT 4.0 Has anyone got this to work under NT? I really want to give something back to the remailer/cypherpunk community and this is the only way I can think of. If anyone has experience of the Winsock remailer and can help...

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Re: Meganet's Unbreakable Virtual Matrix Encryption Takes the Market by Storm; Finally in 1998 Absolute Security...
by jim＠mentat.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

IChudov relays from CNN Custom News: > Repeat/Meganet's Unbreakable Virtual Matrix Encryption Takes > the Market by Storm; Finally in 1998 Absolute Security... That reminds me... in PR Newswire on 16 Dec 1997 it was reported that IBM had endorsed Meganet's VME, and recommended that NIST replace the DES standard with it (presumably in the AES bake-off). This was humorous enough that I thought it worth sharing with IBM -- I ingenously asked them whether it was true, and, if so, how they came to the conclusion that it was a useful product. They responded: I would like to apologize for the length of time it took to reply to your message. I had to make a few phonecalls and had to wait for someone to get back to me. I spoke with a Cryptography Specialist and she informed me that IBM has, in fact, not tested their product and therefore has not endorsed it. IBM has no further comment regarding the report. I hope this helps. Thank you for using askIBM. George Lavasidis (ASKIBM(a)vnet.ibm.com) IBM Internet Support Group 1-800-IBM-4YOU I, too, have no further comment. Jim Gillogly Hevensday, 11 Afteryule S.R. 1998, 20:11 12.19.4.14.11, 8 Chuen 9 Kankin, Third Lord of Night

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Microsoft
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Windows is still fucking me up the ass! I'm bleeding to death here!

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best body armor for cypherpunks [serious]
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What is, in your opinion, the best (price and performance-wise) body armor for cypherpunks?

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E-Cash cost advantage acknowledged
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Remember all the stuff I say about the markedly reduced costs of digital bearer transactions? Wanna bet that if a bunch of big bankers say the cost reduction one order of magnitude, given Moore's Law and a little programming elbow grease, we can bring it down to three? Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text X-Sender: schear(a)mail.lvdi.net (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:01:06 -0800 To: rah(a)shipwright.com From: Steve Schear <schear(a)lvdi.net> Subject: E-Cash cost advantage acknowledged The vast cost advantages of e-cash transactions was acknowledged in a Banking Industry Technology Secretariat (BITS) paper presented at last year's Electronic Payment Forum meeting in Hilton Head, SC on July 17-18, 1997. http://www.epf.net/PrevMtngs/July97Mtng/Presentations/Schutzer/index.htm BITS, a Division of The Bankers Roundtable, members are the 125 largest U.S. holding companies represent 70% of financial assets and deposits in the United States and employ over 1 million people. Projections provided by Salomon Brothers, Nilson Report, Financial Institutions and Markets, and Boston Consulting Group, show e-cash transaction costs easily outdistance ACH/EFT by a factor of 10. Credit cards will be about 40 times as costly. Even the highly touted ECP (Electronic Check Payment) approaches are likely to be 20 times as expensive. What is most interesting is that despite this acknowledgement almost all the BITS member institutions are pursuing a path away from e-cash and second place EFT embracing higher margin (and higher merchant/consumer cost) alternatives, for example VISACash (cash in name only). In fact, many major banks see EFT/POS (and e-cash) is a threat to their franchises and have moved to keep them from expansion through non-competitive practices and regulatory pressure. --Steve PGP mail preferred, see http://www.pgp.com and http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html RSA fingerprint: FE90 1A95 9DEA 8D61 812E CCA9 A44A FBA9 RSA key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=0x55C78B0D --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 First ECache Corporation | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: schear(a)lvdi.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me ECache or give me debt! "It's your Cacheª" --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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[Humor] Kennedy's New Legislation
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Something amusing from alt.true-crime with definite crypto parallels to certain Swinestein and Freeh initiatives. It is rare to find material that rises to the Toto level of comedy on Usenet. ----- Newsgroups: alt.true-crime Subject: Kennedy Death Spurs Legislative Initiative Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 22:44:03 GMT Message-ID: <68jrg6$eil(a)dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com> BOSTON, Mass. (AP) - Sen. Ted Kennedy announced here today that he will introduce a bill limiting access to skis and ski poles. The "Winter Sports Safety Bill" is believed to be a reaction to the recent death of the Senator's nephew Michael Kennedy in a skiing accident. "When skis were invented, they were made out of wood," Kennedy said. "Today's skis are simply to powerful and dangerous to be in the hands of people. There is no constitutional right to skiing. We feel that people will have to sacrifice some of their freedoms for the protection of society as a whole." One provision will license all dealers in skis. These licenses will involve fingerprinting, background checks, body cavity searches, and photographs of anybody wishing to be in the business of selling skis and ski poles. Another section of the bill bans any ski pole under 36" in length and any ski which is not at least 48" in length. The bill also addresses ski wax. Studies have shown that some waxes actually make the skis go faster, creating a greater danger of death to the skier. Skiers also use the faster skis to outrun the ski patrol, which is not an acceptable practice. A five day waiting period will be required for all ski and ski pole sales. People will be required to provide their social security number and floor plan of their homes before being permitted to purchase skis. "There are simply too many people getting excited about skiing. Easy access to skis is the major reason people get killed on those things. They should have to wait before they can pick up their skis. I am sure that this 'cooling off period' will save lives," Kennedy said. Another bill has been introduced that will ban 'ski carrying devices' on tops of cars that have a capacity of greater than ten skis. "There is simply no reason why anybody needs more than ten skis. You can't ski on more than two at the same time. People with more than ten skis are simply up to no good," said Kennedy. Statistics quoted by the Center for Disease Control show that skiing was second only to drowning as the leading cause of death for people close to the Kennedy family. OTHER RELATED STORIES: - Ted Kennedy Denies Driving Michael to Aspen. - Study Links Skiing to Suicides. - Clinton Calls for Restrictions on "Cop Killer" Ski Poles. - Washington DC to Buy Back Skis for $2 Each. - Dianne Feinstein Vows Defeat for the National Skiing Association. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: FCPUNX:Anonymous IRC (was 'Cypherpunks IRC Christmas EveParty')
by Lance Cottrell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:32 AM +0000 12/31/97, wayne clerke wrote: >On Tuesday, December 30, 1997 7:56 AM, Mark Hedges >[SMTP:hedges@rigel.cyberpass.net] wrote: >> >> >> We found IRC users to be so involved in petty information wars -- >> ping floods, malicious prank hacking, and the like -- that we directed >> policy against use of IRC from the anonymous shell accounts at CyberPass. >> >> If IRC users weren't so easily lulled by the tempation to crash a server >> or run malicious bots or just plain irritate other people for fun, and >> if they would gang up and kick out people who did that, then perhaps we'd >> switch that back on. >> >> They were just too much overhead. Everyone else seems pretty nice, really, >> as far as the system goes. They're all self-interested in keeping the >> anonymous publishing and so on going, so the peace keeps itself. > > >What's the reason behind the policy direction against the use of personal web >proxies running in a (paid for) shell account? >Seems like less risk than you already accept anyway. Something I've missed? > System load is the issue in this case. If a proxy becomes publicly known the load it imposes on the system could quickly become gigantic. In addition we found that people were setting up proxies on any old port, sometimes causing all kinds of conflicts. Our accounts are priced assuming light personal usage. Running servers on our systems is negotiable. -Lance ---------------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell loki(a)infonex.com PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. http://www.infonex.com/~loki/ "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche ----------------------------------------------------------

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Bulk Email For Profit
by ruemou32＠cc1.kuleuven.ac.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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This software will no doubt, add to your sales, for customers who don't have credit cards, as well as the impulse buyers. With this software, you can print up your payments as soon as your customer gives you his/her checking information. You will then add the information given, to the proper blank check spaces, then just print and go to the bank!! *************************************************** To get your FREE demo and "test drive" our state-of-the-art software, visit our web site at: http://www.t-1net.com/floodgate **************************************************** HURRY ... RESERVE YOURS TODAY! So, if you are interested in taking advantage of the most powerful bulk email software in the world and start making money hand over fist..... Print out the EZ ORDER form below and FAX or MAIL it to our office. 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Box 772261 Coral Springs, FL 33077 (954) 784-0312 *************************************************** OR: PLEASE PASTE YOUR CHECK HERE (If you fax a check, there is no need for you to send the original check by mail. We will draft up a new check, with the exact information from your original check that you faxed to us) Please fax the above order form and check to: 1-954-572-58

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Creative Justice?... [CNN] (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Fri Jan 2 20:33:21 1998 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199801030233.UAA16279(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: Creative Justice?... [CNN] To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 20:33:15 -0600 (CST) Cc: friends(a)ssz.com (Ravage's Friends) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2327 Forwarded message: > DRUNKEN DRIVER ORDERED CLOSER TO LIQUOR STORE > > graphic January 2, 1998 > Web posted at: 8:39 p.m. EST (0139 GMT) > > CINCINNATI (Reuters) -- An Ohio judge has ordered a chronic drunken > driver to move within easy walking distance of a liquor store or > face jail. > > In a sentence meted out on New Year's Eve, Hillsboro Municipal Judge > James Hapner ordered Dennis Cayse to move within "easy walking > distance" -- defined as one-half mile or less -- of a liquor store > within 30 days or face a potential 1-1/2-year jail sentence for > drunken driving. > > It was Cayse's 18th conviction for drunken driving. He was also > sentenced to spend the first week of each of the next five years in > jail. > > The judge also directed that Cayse, who lost his license years ago > but continued to drink and drive, be handcuffed to the > passenger-side door or be seated with someone between him and the > driver anytime he travels. > > University of Cincinnati law professor Christo Lassiter said the > multiple sentence passed constitutional muster. > > "It appears to me that this sentence is neither unconstitutional nor > inappropriate," Lassiter told Reuters Friday. "It looks to me like > the judge felt that there was nothing he could do to keep the man > off the road except to make him move to where he could walk to buy > his booze." > > Hillsboro is a town of 6,000 just east of Cincinnati. > > "For as long as I have been associated with law enforcement, I have > never heard of such an unusual sentence. It's very squirrelly," said > Lt. Ronald Ward of the Highland County sheriff's office. > > "I have known Dennis Cayse a long time and I've never seen him sober > except when he was in jail," Ward said. "His lifetime record shows > that if he is not in jail, he's going to drink and drive." > > A spokeswoman for Mothers Against Drunk Driving denounced the > sentence, saying it was too lenient and sends the wrong public > message. > > Copyright 1998 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.

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Re: Remailer Logs (and Accountability)
by Charlie Comsec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- usura(a)sabotage.org (Alex de Joode) wrote: > : I suspect that if you polled remailer operators you'd find that some > : keep logs and some don't. I don't know about the Replay remailer. Perhaps > : Alex DeJoode (the operator of the Replay remailer) would care to comment. Nor > : can logs necessarily positively identify you. If kept, they would record when > : your message came in and when the post to usenet went out, but *PROBABLY* > : would not establish a conclusive link between the two. Many remailers > : maintain a "reordering pool" where forwarded messages do not necessarily get > : sent out in the order they were received. > > I donnot keep sendmaillogs, I donnot keep remailerlogs and I let > usenet do my mail2newslogging ... (They can ofcourse always supena > /dev/null, and then they get everything ..) Good. No reason to tempt the Big Brother types (and wannabes). BTW, people outside the remailer operator and user community seem to assume that logs ARE kept. I'm curious to know how often individuals, organizations, and maybe even governments make requests for your logs. Oh ... also, if you don't mind, can you uuencode your /dev/null and send it to me? <g> > The "reordering pool" is > always a minimum of 5 messages so people can opt for how long their > message wil be 'stashed' at replay. (use 'Latency: +00:00' for zero latecy). Is that default reordering pool size the same for Type I and Type II messages? Perhaps someone can double-check my math on this. Assuming equally-sized messages that are otherwise indistinguishable, and a reordering pool size of five, then the odds of matching up an encrypted incoming message with an encrypted outgoing message are one in five. Thus a message chained through n remailers (each having a reordering pool size of 5) would be diffused among 5^n possible messages to thwart potential traffic analysis. What I'm unclear on is how setting a Latency: flag affects the diffusion of the output. Is that lattency IN ADDITION to the pool size of five, or does Latency: +00:00 bypass the reordering process altogether? My main concern is the security of chained reply blocks which are more vulnerable to attack than normal anonymous messages. A single anonymous message can only be traced BACKWARDS after it's been received. An anonymous reply, OTOH, could, theoretically, be "walked" through each remailer in the chain until the identity of the recipient was discovered. While that process would require convincing each remailer operator in the chain to cooperate, it's a lot more feasible than tracing a message backwards to its source. (Yes, I know about posting to a public message pool, such as a.a.m, but NG posting seems to be rather unreliable lately.) - ---- Finger <comsec(a)nym.alias.net> for PGP public key (Key ID=19BE8B0D) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNK2wqwbp0h8ZvosNAQFcpwf9GzP5jGSURrVZXu3omQXx9+de1aOHZ+Uk azgpHRZwStL86ztv1U5RcO7TRQ7gNgEd0+8V+z/wJei82f5zsQPCWVITjHBnUBKL sbGEFTtlkLfehXgF6oRk4xYzngxekYYFXm3UqZFKf/maQvMCRXbXSfTpb0CejpfQ 01PQGmXrShjdiYO8Uj+UoXzEEyAU383ssnJmsDBbnMvilM3aE5f0GXG/dx3QSvQi CfRzPFpcgfM4kojv8CxH5xfCvCWzKNgi8lnGuMjNwYApuGrYVtJSReq+OcAe9GeQ O2e+R9emHWiZHO16asfjnx6Eie7BylGrBRCLPWAAxPo16AtGjhJimw== =HRSR -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Get into the pay per call industry for FREE
by cash4u＠polbox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Your e-mail address was taken from a post YOU left on a bulletin board or message board. Placing your address on such a medium indicates that you might be willing to receive mail from people who browse the internet. If you do not want receive this type of mailing, you might want to add your address to the remove list at one of the anti-spam web-sites. ============================================= Hi, I'm sorry to intrude, but I had to share this with as many people as I could! I have found a company that gives away the use of their pay per call services with no costs or lease for the lines! I have several 900 lines for different services, and I am making some good coin from them, and now I want to help others get into the pay per call industry too. The info I have will get you set up with the leading pay per call company in the US, and best of all...THERE ARE NO COSTS OR FEES!! I am sending this note and asking for a 10.00 donation for the time it took me to find the info and get it to you, anyone willing to part with 10.00 will be a happy soul when they get their first check from their phone line or lines. =============================================================== PROFITS ARE SOARING!!! With 900, 800 and 011 Numbers If you would like to make money while doing nothing...then this is the business for you. Programs are ready for you to choose from: BBS Services Live Adult 1-on-1 & 2-on-1 (Many Languages, Straight & Gay) Recorded Fantasy Lines (Many Languages) Datelines Chat Lines Live Psychic Or create your very own program! We have over 2000 Men & Women waiting for the phones to ring!!! We provide 24-hour service, answer your calls, and pay all phone company carrying costs. All you have to do is advertise! If you have an Internet Site this could very well become your Primary Source of Income Remember, the more people see your number, the more they'll call.The more calls you get, the more money you make. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- There are NO START UP COSTS or MONTHLY FEES with our 800 & 011 NUMBERS!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- You may choose one of the following programs to start out with: BBS Live 1-on-1 Recorded Fantasy Chat Line Date Line Gay 1-on-1 Psychic Line Horoscope ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- To start your own business NOW, send $10.00 cash, certified check, or money order along with your e-mail address. I will e-mail all the info you need to get started earning your dream income. The $10.00 is the only cost you will ever have and it is just to cover my time and effort, there will be no charge to set-up and manage your phone system and you will be able to check your line's stats through a web page. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Send your order to; Rick Kowalski 617 Gateway Road Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R2K-2X8 NOTE that this is a real address, not a P. O. box. This is not a scam, the info is free, but I will only send it if my efforts are rewarded. Have a great day, Rick

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SUZAN, YOUR MAIL
by NLYNCH4401＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Microsoft
by nobody＠nsm.htp.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:25 98/01/04 +0100, Anonymous wrote: > Windows is still fucking me up the ass! I'm bleeding to death here! > > > For relief, see: http://www.enemy.org/

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The Codeleakers
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.mercury-rising.com/ Mercury Rising Art Jeffries (Bruce Willis), a disillusioned, outcast FBI agent, is the only one who can protect an orphaned nine-year-old autistic savant (Miko Hughes) when he becomes the target of assassins after inadvertently deciphering a top-secret government military code. Lt. Colonel Nicholas Kudrow (Alec Baldwin) is the National Security agent assigned to unveil the source of the code's leak. Preview 5fps - 4.9MB / 10fps - 8.1MB The film opens April 3, 1998. Website Coming Soon!

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Re: Location Escrow anyone ?
by Kay Ping 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>ZURICH (December 28, 1997 4:12 p.m. EST http://www.nando.net) - Swiss >>police have secretly tracked the whereabouts of mobile phone users via a >>telephone company computer that records billions of movements going back >>more than half a year, a Sunday newspaper reported. > >Don't be fooled that this is a swiss only problem. It's being done here in >Amerika right now. The FCC has issued a ruling that will require all cellular telephone carriers to provide location information on all 911 calls. By the year 2001, this location information is to provide 125 metres of accuracy 67% of the time. Helping emergency services locate 911 callers is a great excuse for installing a cellular location system. Even better than the excuses they gave for eavesdropping-ready digital switches and limits on encryption. An accuracy of 125 meters seems quite impressive considering the facts that cellular channels are plagued by very long multipath dispersion and that a narrowband FM signal is much less than ideal for calculating delay. - -------------- Kay Ping nop 'til you drop -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: cp850 iQEQAwUBNK4a2hHPAso8Qp7tAQFI1wfRARzxzUTRWkuETjkWrz7Gh4StMEwhCZ6C Nzh2i2ymTq2/hMMdx7L8tuc2N5wISlBjzJtJGKnyQTHYJs6SMkvYLQa89H4v4MyH 9NJK6wSqx1OLEmgPwCoJWo8NUkH1jwPvhRfb+A/KE3raYazMd1fY+EgL/P3R216s j0F0RsPUFvMS3m+/j5rKFoatuG1Qc6b2p8QnQLxgxyePoEScEEcfxiCrGGH75YEF 5yiJMi11LraUnDyJtZ/9xVXAFAEjLM9IYyCapfleIEUNisu9Iu3R9V/FIBdEom3O uL7we6ETWSrYCFxdmrDq64q7wi1ygN/d1IvIFgNzSol/D9Y= =czyT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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1998: TOP PRIORITY!!!!!!!!!!
by MoneyTrain＠mci2000.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house, except to get the mail. If you believe that some day you will get that lucky break that you have been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the easy instructions, and your dream will come true! This electronic multi-level marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME! Thousands of people have used this program to raise capital to start their own business, pay off debts, buy homes, cars, etc., even retire! This is your chance, so don't pass it up. OVERVIEW OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY ELECTRONIC MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING PROGRAM Basically, this is what we do: We sell thousands of people a product for $5.00 that costs us next to nothing to produce and e-mail. As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the U.S. allows you to recruit new multi- level business online (with your computer). The product in this program is a series of four businesses and financial reports. Each $5.00 order you receive by "snail mail" will include the e-mail address of the sender. To fill each order, you simply e-mail the product to the buyer. THAT'S IT!...the $5.00 is yours! This is the GREATEST electronic multi-level marketing business anywhere! FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY! Let's face it, the profits are worth it! THEY'RE TREMENDOUS!!! So go for it. Remember the 4 points and we'll see YOU at the top! ******* I N S T R U C T I O N S ******* This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 4 reports listed and numbered from the list below. For each report send $5.00 CASH, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and YOUR RETURN POSTAL ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to each person listed. When you order, make sure you request each SPECIFIC report. You will need all four reports, because you will be saving them on your computer and reselling them. 2. IMPORTANT--DO NOT alter the names, or their sequence other than instructed in this program! Or you will not profit the way you should. Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 to REPORT #4. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is dropped off the list and is NO DOUBT on the way to the bank. When doing this, please make certain you copy everyone's name and address ACCURATELY!!! Also, DO NOT move the Report/Product positions! 3. Take this entire program text, including the corrected names list, and save it on your computer. 4. Now you're ready to start a massive advertising campaign on the WORLDWIDE WEB! Advertising on the WEB is very, very inexpensive, but there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise also. Another avenue which you could use is e-mail mailing lists. You can buy these lists for under $20/1,000 addresses. START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN AS SOON AS YOU CAN. ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!!! REQUIRED REPORTS ***Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (concealed) FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER. ALWAYS SEND FIRST CLASS OR PRIORITY MAIL AND PROVIDE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS FOR QUICK DELIVERY. ___________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTILEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: RICE ENTERPRISES 14001 DALLAS PKWY, STE. 1200 DALLAS, TX 75240 ___________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: MARK KITCHEN 3440 WATKINS LAKE ROAD WATERFORD, MI 48328 ___________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: MAKIN-MOOLA P.O. BOX 271926 FT. COLLINS, CO 80527-1926 _____________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: MY-TURN P.O. BOX 272453 FORT COLLINS, CO 80527-2453 ____________________________________________________ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$ Let's say you decide to start small just to see how it goes. Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet could EASILY get a better response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR BUILDING ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example for the STAGGERING results below. 1st level -- your 10 members with $5 ($5 x 10) $50 2nd level --10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100) $500 3rd level -- 10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000 4th level -- 10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000) $50,000 THIS TOTALS-----------> $55,550 Remember friends, this is assuming that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone got 20 people to participate! Some people get 100's of recruits! THINK ABOUT IT! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT#3 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing and purchasing email lists. REMEMBER: Approx. 105,000 new people get online monthly! ORDER YOUR REPORTS NOW!!! *******TIPS FOR SUCCESS******* TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY, so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/ report to comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 18, Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received." * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly the results WILL undoubtedly be SUCCESS! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF THAT YOU CAN SUCCEED! *******YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINE******* The check point that guarantees your success is simply this: You MUST receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1! THIS IS A MUST! If you don't within two weeks, advertise more and send out more programs until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, advertise more and send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100, or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because you will be on your way to the BANK! -OR- You can DOUBLE your efforts! REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list you are in front of a DIFFERENT report, so you can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by what report people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY!!! NOTE: IF YOU NEED HELP with starting a business, registering a business name, how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business taxes. ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This 4 report program has turned my life completely around. Have you ever been in debt over $100,000? It's a scary feeling. You consider bankruptcy, you consider all kinds of crazy schemes to make money and you dump alot of the little you have left into many of them. I have spent thousands of dollars on seminars and courses. I think I must own at least half of the books ever published on making money. Some are helpful, most are not. This program came across my desk numerous times, both through the post and via email over the years. I think I must have been pretty desperate when I finally broke down and really read through the letter. After all I had been through, suddenly a little light went on! This thing could really work? After all I spent on trying to learn how to get myself out from under this debt load this plan was only going to cost me $20 plus some of my time. I already had a computer and email, so........ This is getting too long, so let me finish up here. I have now started on my fourth time through the program! That $100,000 debt is GONE! I can talk to my friends and relatives now and they don't cringe for fear I'm going to ask for money. We are starting to build our business up and we have the capital to do it now! I have chosen the year 2000 for our retirement and I'm going to make it with time to spare. Does this plan work? Yes, yes, a thousand times yes! J. S. Todd Canada This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work, you'll lose a lot of money. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow Christian and are in financial trouble like I was, consider this a sign. I DID! Good Luck & God Bless You, Sincerely, Chris Johnson P.S. Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,500) looks like piled up on the kitchen table?...IT'S AWESOME! My name is Frank. My wife Doris and I live in Bel-Air, MD. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Doris about receiving "junk mail"! I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Doris totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was stunned. I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work...I AM a believer now. I have joined Doris in her "little" hobby. I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me...We owe it all to MLM. Frank T., Bel-Air, MD This is the only realistic money-making offer I've ever received. I participated because this plan truly makes sense. I was surprised when the $5.00 bills started filling my mail box. By the time it tapered off I had received over 8,000 orders with over $40,000 in cash. Dozens of people have sent warm personal notes too, sharing the news of their good fortunes! It's been WONDERFUL. Carl Winslow Tulsa, OK The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. Initially I let no one in the organization know that I was an attorney and, to my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Sincerely yours, Phillip A. Brown This plan works like GANG-BUSTERS!! So far I have had 9,735 total orders OVER $48,000!!! I hope I have sparked your own excitement, if you follow the program exactly, you could have the same success I have, if not better. Your success is right around the corner, but you must do a little work. Good Luck! G. Bank Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy I was surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders. After that it got so over-loaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S. the people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program...11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made $41,000 on the first try!! D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and quite soon we will buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Remember, when you order your four reports, SEND CASH. Checks have to clear the bank and create too many delays. Good luck and happy spending! Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA Typically when I look at a money-making deal I want to know if the company is strong, will it be here when it's time for my big pay off. In this crazy thing there is no company intervention for management to blow it. Just people like me ordering directly from the source! Interesting...I had a couple of projects I'd been trying to fund to no avail so I thought; Why not give it a try? Well 2 1/2 weeks later the orders started coming in. One project is funded and I'm sure the other will be soon! Marilynn St. Claire, Logan, UT ==================================================== We could be printing YOUR testimonial next!!! ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED DOWN THE ROAD TO

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