December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Since Gary Burnore has been making posts in the alt.privacy.anon-server NG about how remailers are supposedly being "abused" in order to "forge" articles in his name, I figure it's time to repost a Usenet article from Jeff Burchell, operator of the Huge Cajones Remailer, about Gary Burnore's harassment which ultimately convinced him to shut down the remailer, in order to document Mr. Burnore's modus operandi, in case he attempts a similar attack against another remailer: --- BEGIN INCLUDED MESSAGE --- Subject: Jeff's Side of the Story. From: toxic(a)hotwired.com (Jeff Burchell) Date: 1997/07/01 Message-ID: <5pbnoe$f29$1(a)re.hotwired.com> Followup-To: alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.fan.steve-winter, alt.religion.scientology,alt.anonymous,misc.misc, alt.censorship,news.admin.censorship,comp.org.eff.talk, news.admin.net-abuse.misc Organization: Content, Inc Newsgroups: alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.fan.steve-winter, alt.religion.scientology,alt.anonymous,misc.misc, alt.censorship,news.admin.censorship,alt.cypherpunks, comp.org.eff.talk,news.admin.net-abuse.misc Anonymous (nobody(a)REPLAY.COM) wrote: : > Only Jeff knows the whole story. Actually, not even I know the whole story. If I truely knew who it was that was orchestrating this attack, it would have stopped, one way or another. The problem is, I don't know all the players (I have some suspicions, which I'll elaborate on further in a little bit) but I don't _really_ know who did it, and I really don't know why (other than a "I don't like remailers, I think I'll shut one down"). And I really don't know the background or what precipitated this. : > But I have to ask. Could this : > just be an" I'm sick of this shit, f**k it, I quit, who needs this : > aggravation, I'll just pull the plug and go have a beer" reaction : > to what really seems like a fairly small problem. It is not a small problem anymore when you're getting >200 complaint messages a day, plus 5-10 phone calls to your employer (and your employer's legal department). Fortunately, Wired is a very progressive company, and supported my efforts to provide anonymity, but our lawyers aren't paid to answer phone calls on my behalf. Running a remailer is one thing... getting harassed at work is an entirely different matter, and getting a THIRD PARTY harassed at work is yet another one. But yes, The ultimate "take this thing down" decision was one made because I was sick of this bullshit. But you know what? I volunteer my time, my computer equipment, and bandwidth that is given to me as part of my salary. I do (well did) all of this because I believe that anonymity is a right, and because I have the capabilities of helping to provide anonymity to the masses. When the remailer was self-sufficient (before the attacks started), it took maybe 10 minutes of my time a day, and minimal resources on my machine. Afterwards, even after I put in the auto-blocking feature (send a blank message to a particular address and get your address blocked) and the autoresponder on the remailer-admin account, I was still getting >100 messages a day reporting abuse... almost all of it spam-bait related. I receive no benefit from running the remailer (I don't even use it myself), and when it becomes a fairly major hassle without any rewards, the decision is not a hard one to make. And frankly, I already have enough to do, and get enough mail on a daily basis (at last check it was hovering around 600 messages/day). As soon as the remailer started taking up a lot of my time, it became time to rethink why I was running it. The moment that the spam-baiter started alerting people who had been baited, and telling them to contact me, it became personal. And I don't have time to get into personal pissing-contests. Yes, I took the easy way out, but that was my choice to make. Anyone who doesn't run a remailer has very little right questioning my choice, because you have no idea what precipitated it. Most people reading this group have the capabilities of running a remailer (it only takes a POP account and a Windows machine to run the Winsock remailer), but very few of us actually do. Why is that? I've been running huge. cajones for just under 2 years, and it averaged just over 3000 messages a day, so my remailer was responsible for about 2 million anonymous messages in its lifetime. I think I've done my part (at least for now), it's time for someone else to do theirs. If we had 15 disposable remailers that operated for 2-3 months each before moving/going away, we'd have paths for millions more anonymous messages. And isn't that what we're really trying to provide? : The first was doing questionable things, like installing content-based : filtering in an attempt to placate the attacker. Giving in to the demands When I first put the filters in, I was entirely unaware of exactly what the hell was going on. It seemed that someone had a bone to pick with databasix, and was using the remailer to get databasix harassed by third parties. So, Burnore's complaint seemed reasonable at the time, and I tried to come up with a way to block spam-bait abuse, without blocking anything else (like a reply to burnore in Usenet). See, if someone was doing to me what they appeared to be doing to Burnore, I would be pissed. I figured placating him would be the best thing to do. In hindsight, I was wrong, but at the time, it seemed like the correct decision. (Also at the same time, the SPA threatened Wired with a lawsuit because of The MailMasher, so things were a little tense between me and the legal department already, I didn't need to make them any worse.) The final content-based-filter (there was an interim one) looked for the following things: 1. Any address at databasix (Yes, at the request of Burnore) 2. Any address from my destination block list 3. More than 5 addresses in a row, one line each, without other content in-between. 4. Patterns of particular Usenet groups. 5. Particular subject lines. If any THREE of these items were spotted, the message got thrown into a reject bin. I periodically examined the reject bin, and can personally attest that it didn't block ANYTHING that it wasn't intended to. (The test posts reeked of spam-bait to me, and I believe were correctly blocked) FWIW, the filters were removed about a week ago. Because the filters were looking for a specific form of ABUSE, and not just doing basic pattern matches, I don't consider them to be "content filters". I would think that just about anyone would agree that posting lists of email addresses to mlm newsgroups would qualify as abuse, and _should_ be blocked. Blocking of this nature does NOT restrict free speech (or at least that is not the intentions of it), and it would keep the remailer out of lawsuit territory. See, the big problem with lawsuits is not the fact that _I_ don't want to be sued. The problem is that anyone with half a brain can determine that Wired is somehow related to any remailer that I am running on their bandwidth. Wired has deeper pockets than Mr. Burchell, so they are a much better group to sue... and they are a lot more willing to give in to a threat than I am. : What I *MIGHT* have done was to respond as follows: : : Your legal demands are unacceptable. I'd rather close the remailer than : compromise its integrity to suit your whims. But understand this -- unless : you withdraw your demands, I will not only close the remailer but also make : damn sure all of its users know exactly who forced me to take this action! I did respond in a fashion much like this, about a week before the attacks started coming. Mr. Burnore requested a copy of my (non-existant) logs. I told him to get me something in writing, signed by his lawyer that stipulated that the logs were confidential, and not to be revealed to anyone outside of the lawyer's office. I received a letter from Belinda Bryan. She is not registered with the State Bar of California, and is thus, not a California lawyer. I then ignored the request, and forwarded the correspondence to the State Attorney General's office (as impersonating a lawyer in CA is defined as fraud with extenuating circumstances). They have been working with me and the San Francisco DA's office. Look out DataBasix... I'm not done with you yet. : The second mistake I perceive is not fully disclosing the circumstances that : brought down Huge Cajones, and *NAMING NAMES*. That way, even if the remailer : shuts down, other remailer operators will learn about the tactics employed : against it, know *WHO* made the demands, etc. IOW, when you get an innocent : sounding, polite complaint from xxxx(a)yyy.com alleging "abuse", here's the : scenario that's likely to follow ... (It's not too late to make that : disclosure, Jeff.) In fact, now is the time to. Making a disclosure like this while I was still running the remailer would have probably been a bad move. Now that the remailer is closed, I'll name the names that I've got. Beware... all of this is speculation, because huge.cajones was an anonymous service, not even I can say with any authority that any of the people named below had anything to do with the shutdown of huge.cajones (or The MailMasher). However, there are a number of coincidences of timing. I still don't know what the hell is going on with DataBasix, Wells Fargo and Gary Burnore, but I suspect that someone used huge.cajones to say something extremely unflattering about Burnore (from what I can tell, he had it coming). Burnore then decided that he would make things difficult for me. First, he wanted the user who had posted something "inflammatory" about him revealed. When I told him that I couldn't do that, he carried on about mail logs and identifying the host that a message came from (the usual). I didn't explain to him that my machine keeps logs, but not anything involving a *(a)cajones.com address. He then requested the logs, which I denied (and told him to get his lawyer to send a request...) I'll admit, after my second or third contact with Mr. Burnore, I no longer was particularly civil with the guy. He's a kook, and really didn't deserve my courtesy. Between the time he first contacted me, and the time I received the letter from Belinda Bryan, is when the baiting of databasix addresses began (slowly, with just a few posts). After a while, I received requests from the other members of DataBasix (including William McLatchie (sp) (aka wotan) who actually seems to be a remailer supporter (?)). It was at this point that I realized something was completely amiss. I asked McLatchie to please tell me the story of DataBasix, and he said that he was going to, but never did. Anyone who can tell me the story is invited to do so. As a side note (and just because I am naming names). Peter Hartly (hartley(a)hartley.on.ca) yesterday spam-baited me. Fortunately, I've got good filters in place. As another side note, I've seen nothing to make me believe that Belinda Bryan is even a real person. Anyone? : > Given the importance of what Jeff was doing, I hope that he : > did all that he could, before declaring defeat. If that is the case, : > I commend him for a job well done. If not, why? I can't claim to have done _everything_ that I could have done, but I did certainly make an effort. I'm not willing to go to court to defend a practice like spam-baiting (and given the current public-opinion situation and impending anti-UCE legislation, this would be a terrible test-case). I am not new to threats of lawsuit, even ones that come from legitimate lawyers. About 8 months previous, I was threatened repeatedly by the legal wing of the "Church" of Scientology. I answered with a letter from my lawyer that explained the policies of the remailer, and threatened a harrassment lawsuit if the "Church" contacted me again asking for information (that they now knew I didn't have) about a remailer user. They complied, and went away (and haven't been too difficult with other remailer operators lately). : Agreed. Otherwise, these "asshole(s)" are simply going to do it all over : again against another remailer, eventually taking them all down one at a time. Except that right now, new remailers are springing up. If we could get three more online for every one shut down, it wouldn't much matter, would it? I may very well end up running a mailer again in the future, but if I do, it will probably be either a throwaway exit-man or a truely anonymous middleman (i.e. nobody will actually know who is running it). It also will probably be hosted outside of the United States (Floating in international waters with a sat feed would be nice). : It's time for them to stand up and say "Next time you come for one of us : he's : not going quietly as the others have. You'll have to face ALL of us at once, : instead." Aah, you imagine much more solidarity among remailer operators than actually exists. It doesn't work that way. It would be nice if it did, but many of us are running remailers on borrowed bandwidth (or have other "situations" to be concerned about). Being the squeaky wheel is not always a good idea for many of the operators (most of whom try to keep a low profile). The reality is, for all the good they do, remailers are tools that can very easily be abused. And, as the internet gets more and more commonplace, the average Joe and Joesphine, who don't have the strict Cyber-Libertarian viewpoints that are shared by most of us old-timers, will start to wonder just why anyone would want to run a service that allows anyone to speak their mind without fear of reprisal. When you get people with more extreme viewpoints (the ones who have a really legitimate need for anonymity) posting all kinds of stuff to all kinds of places, it will get the attention of Middle-America, which will then bring it to the attention of legislators. Any time a legislator can say "This is a blow to Child Pornographers and others who hide behind anonymity to commit crimes without fear of reprisal" you can guarantee that the bill will pass. When that happens, we're in trouble. America is scared of computers, and remailers are thought to be havens for the big 3 (Terrorists, Organized Crime and Child Pornographers). Now that the spammers are involved (spammers possibly being hated more than the big 3), most users are exposed to anonymous remailers in negative ways (Imagine what you would think if the first time you heard about the existance of remailers, it was because someone had spam-baited you, and then told you about it). The right to anonymity in the US will be legislated away within 18 months, partially because of spam. I do hope there's a _good_ test case waiting, and someone willing to fight it to the end, but I have my doubts. Ultimately the remailer network will be forced to move offshore, the way Crypto development currently has. Don't like the News? Go out and make some of your own. -Jeff |o| |o| |o| Jeff Burchell toxic(a)wired.com |o| |o|- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -|o| |o| I am not speaking for anyone but myself. |o| |o| |o| --- END INCLUDED MESSAGE --- This article is archived in DejaNews under their "old" database if you wish to verify its authenticity. --

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OECD on E-Commerce Tax
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We offer an HTML version of OECD's paper: "Electronic Commerce: The Challenges to Tax Authorities and Taxpayers" An Informal Round Table Discussion between Business and Government To be held at the Marina Palace Hotel, in Turku, Finland on Tuesday 18th November 1997 http://jya.com/turku18.htm (122K) This is part of the documentation for a three-day conference on "Dismantling the Barriers to Global Electronic Commerce," November 19-21, Turku, Finland, sponsored by the Government of Finland and OECD, with help of the European Commission, Japan and BIAC, described at: http://www.oecd.org/dsti/iccp/e-comm/dismantl.htm

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by Joe Lang 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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See How They Lie (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe/globehtml/317/See_how_they_lie.htm SEE HOW THEY LIE By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist, 11/13/97 This column is about lying, so let me just confess, full-disclosurewise, that I have on occasion failed to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Like everyone else, I learned early on that honesty is sometimes the best policy - for getting in trouble. My father often warned my siblings and me that if we got caught doing something wrong, we would be punished, but if we got caught lying, the punishment would be doubled. Naturally, we lied, hoping not to get caught at all. Sometimes it even worked. So, yes, I've told my share of fibs and fabrications. But it is one thing to bend the truth in hopes of not being punished. It is something rather different to shamelessly falsify one's personal history in order to score cheap political points. Which brings us to James Ware, a federal judge nominated by President Clinton to the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. For years, Judge Ware has been telling a heartbreaking story about his youth in Birmingham. It occurs during the racial turmoil of 1963, shortly after the deadly bombing of the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church. James is bicycling to a football game; his kid brother Virgil, a 13-year-old, is riding on the handlebars. Suddenly two white racists open fire. The gunshots knocked Virgil off the bike, Judge Ware recalled in a 1994 interview with the San Jose Mercury News, one of many occasions on which he has told the story. ''He died there by the side of the road.'' Understandably, the murder of his brother left a deep mark. ''What happened to me,'' Ware said, ''was a defining experience, a turning point in my life.'' As well it might have been - if it were true. A young man named Virgil Ware was murdered in Birmingham in 1963, but he was no relation to the judge. To further his own career, James Ware simply helped himself to another family's grief and martyrdom. Not until last week, when an Alabama paper tracked down Virgil Ware's true relatives and confronted Judge Ware with the facts, did he admit being a liar. Obviously his nomination to the Ninth Circuit is blown. But the president shouldn't give up on Ware quite yet. This faker would be perfect for the administration. After all, someone prepared to lie so brazenly about his own past ought to feel right at home with the Clinton-Gore crowd. Consider former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, who just published a memoir filled with stormy scenes that never happened. In one episode, he describes a 1995 appearance before the Joint Economic Committee. As Reich tells it, US Representative Jim Saxton, the Republican chairman, flayed him mercilessly. ''Where did you learn economics, Mr. Secretary?'' Saxton demands. Then, pointing to a chart, Saxton jumps up and down in his chair, crying ''Evidence! Evidence!'' Pure fiction, discovered Jonathan Rauch, a respected Washington editor, when he checked the transcript. ''I was flabbergasted,'' Rauch wrote in Slate, ''so I checked the C-SPAN tapes, and they leave no doubt. Reich appears to have fabricated much of this episode for dramatic effect. Saxton was, in fact, decorous and polite. He did not jump up and down ... he did not shout `Evidence! Evidence!''' Most of the quotations Reich attributes to Saxton ''appear never to have been said at all.'' Reich doesn't deny making up events and quotations. ''These are my perceptions,'' he shrugs. ''I might have goofed.'' Mmm-hmm. The same way Judge Ware ''goofed.'' At least Reich never exploited the death of a close relative. Vice President Al Gore, by contrast, mesmerized the 1996 Democratic convention with the story of his sister's death from lung cancer 12 years earlier. Gore detailed his ''final hours'' with Nancy and said the ''nearly unbearable pain'' of her death made him take a vow: ''Until I draw my last breath, I will pour my heart and soul into the cause of protecting our children from the dangers of smoking.'' Very moving. But Gore almost certainly made no such vow. For years following Nancy's death, he pocketed annual earnings from his family's tobacco crop. In 1988 he boasted to North Carolina voters, ''I raised tobacco. I want you to know that with my own hands, all of my life, I put it in the plant beds and transferred it. I've hoed it. I've chopped it. I've shredded it, spiked it, put it in the barn and stripped it and sold it.'' When challenged on the inconsistency, the VP explained that ''you never fully learn the lessons that life has to teach you.'' How profound. Sounds like just the guy James Ware would enjoy working for. Then there is Clinton himself, who is not above exploiting any tragedy if there is political benefit in it. During the rash of church burnings in 1996, Clinton solemnly told a national radio audience that he has ''vivid and painful memories of black churches being burned in my own state when I was a child.'' It must indeed have been a traumatic experience. Except - there weren't any black churches burned in Arkansas when Clinton was a child. The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette checked: Not one civil rights leader or historian could confirm Clinton's ''memories.'' Once again the president had ''told a lie designed to make him look good,'' the paper concluded. Spinning lies to look good seems to be a specialty of the administration. Tell me Ware wouldn't fit right in. Jeff Jacoby is a Globe columnist. This story ran on page A29 of the Boston Globe on 11/13/97. © Copyright 1997 Globe Newspaper Company. Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "The reason worry kills more people than work is that more people worry than work" -- Robert Frost (1874-1963)

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secret life of bill clinton
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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I think we are witnessing a scale of corruption at such high levels and of such an extent as to have never before been seen in western civilization. the big question is whether the american public will wake up before the next election, or whether nothing will happen with "business as usual"... buy this book and help free yourself from the invisible prison we find ourselves in!! ------- Forwarded Message Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 14:05:21 -0600 From: jlbtexas <jlbtexas(a)swbell.net> To: Ignition Point <Ignition-Point(a)majordomo.pobox.com> Subject: IP: THE SECRET LIFE OF BILL CLINTON THE SECRET LIFE OF BILL CLINTON Book Review By Cathy Leahy Two hundred years ago Frenchman Alexis de Tocqueville came to America to analyze a fledgling democracy and he left celebrating her by writing "Democracy in America." Four years ago, Englishman Ambrose Evans-Pritchard came with that same hope and instead has written America's eulogy in "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton". After reading this well written and well documented book, one might wish to rename it, "The Death of American Democracy At The Hands of Bill Clinton." And if one didn't know the book is about an American president, one would think it describes Hitler, Stalin or better yet, the (now executed for their crimes) Ceaucescus of Romania. In fact, Evans-Pritchard warns that under the corruption of Bill Clinton, "you can sniff the pungent odors of decay in the American body politic" that was in evidence in continental Europe in the 1920s. This is a chilling account of an emerging Clinton pattern of lawlessness with the witting and unwitting complicity of a complacent establishment that should know better. And although Evans-Pritchard doesn't say it, he paints a startling parallel for anyone who has studied history and the rise of Adolf Hitler. Like Hitler, Clinton used established rules to legally establish himself and quickly went about subverting those same rules. Like Hitler, once in office Clinton set about politicizing every government agency under his control, replacing established law enforcement with his own loyalists that would silence his critics. Like Hitler, he then took control of the press to further silence dissent, although Clinton has done it with seduction and lies. Then, unencumbered by law, he went about exterminating his inconvenient associates, two of whom were Vince Foster and Jerry Parks. That done, he must now create a reason for people to give up their liberty in favor of safety with the Oklahoma City bombing. Hitler used his henchman to provoke and help an already irate dissident, Marinus van der Lubbe, to burn the German Reichstag in 1933. Clinton used Oklahoma City to expand his power. If not stopped - and soon, what will he do next? Evans-Pritchard tells us of the Dixie Mafia and about Clinton's rampant corruption in Arkansas. He tells us that the Dixie Mafia is far more dangerous than the Cosa Nostra. Thirty murders in a ten year period is nothing to Clinton's Dixie Mafia with its one hundred and fifty. This book is a portrait, with documentation, of American despotism that we never thought could happen. Left to his own devices, Clinton will put the final nail in the coffin of American democracy. The author does offer some hope, though, but it will have to come from ordinary citizens who still believe in the rule of law. But if Clinton is tried and convicted for his crimes, will he be punished properly? Will he be locked away along with his accomplices never to be heard from again or will he simply be set out to pasture, free to live out his goal of a "one world order" with himself at the helm? It's a frightening account but it is a "must read" by we, the "ordinary citizens." And although America's government controlled schools will never allow it, this book should be required reading in every classroom - to save the country. [The Secret Life of Bill Clinton. By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, Regnery Publishing, Inc., Nov. 1997. Available through the Washington Weekly web site.] Published in the Nov. 17, 1997 issue of The Washington Weekly Copyright 1997 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com) Reposting permitted with this message intact ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: subscribe ignition-point email@address or unsubscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** http://www.telepath.com/believer ********************************************** ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

William H. Geiger III, <whgiii(a)invweb.net>, writes: >Exactly how do you equate everything negative that is said against Japan >as to being racist? I guess if I had said it about Germany then it would >have been ok?? I bet you are one of those skirt wearing liberals that shed >tears over nuking Japan as being evil but have no problems with the >firebombing of Dresdin. So you are proud of your statement about Japan? You believe that President Truman should have dropped additional atomic bombs (if he had them) on Japan, even _after_ they surrendered? This would have been in contravention of every shred of decency and honor. Such a bloodthirsty act of revenge would have branded the U.S. as hopelessly barbaric, savage and inhuman. Your comments do fit in well with the current tenor of the cypherpunks list, though. Barbaric, savage, indecent, dishonorable. These are the new codewords of the cypherpunks movement. The uglier it gets, the more they like it here. You do indeed fit right in.

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 16 Nov 97 at 16:30, Tim May wrote Subject: Re: Exporting crypto from Japan: > Get the RSA chip released widely and quickly. The drug trade in Asia > could use it right now. Yes, yes, yes. This is the kind of talk I like. Much better than the talk of nukes, and guns. > (No, this is not a joke. I favor full availability of any and all > drugs to anyone who wants them. This makes the Triads and Yakuza > allies in defeating the New World Order. The ComSec 3DES phones are > a step in defeating the DEA, Interpol, and other police state > agencies, but the RSA chip would make a lot of such things much more > interesting.) Thank you, Tim. You have a very excellent point, here. All drugs should be legal. And I wish I had the balls to write this without using a remailer. But I'm a pot dealer, so I can't. Thanks for speaking for us. PotSeller

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http://www.cryptography.org - thanks to Bay Area Cypherpunks!
by Michael Paul Johnson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A while ago, the Bay Area Cypherpunks took up a collection to help secure the future of the North American Cryptography Archive. So far, I have used part of that money to register the cryptography.org domain name and part of it to partially cover some other expenses. Since the current main host site is being freely lent to us, that donation should stretch for several years. :-) I have just changed jobs, and am working very long hours, but I still manage to get a little time here and there to maintain the crypto site. If nothing else, it provides a place for people who are concerned about possible government persecution to publish their crypto software legally. (I know that some people may differ with my interpretation of the current rules, but what do you expect from FUD mud?) Anyway, THANK YOU for your help. I am honored by your very tangible expression of appreciation for keeping a crypto site open for years. The new site is functional, now, and has a new name (http://www.cryptography.org) I know that it could use some better indexing, etc., but some of that may come in my spare time. :-) To guard against various forms of disaster (natural or human), I am encouraging others to mirror the site. (I claim no "compilation copyright" - I just want this information to be freely available.) As the regulatory climate changes, I will be watching for windows of legal opportunity (as we almost had with the Bernstein case) to tear down the "front door" to the archive and invite mirroring outside of North America. Until then, of course, most (if not all) of the data in the archive is available outside of North America. U. S. and Canadian citizens are clearly not the only ones who understand and enjoy cryptography! Note: nothing in this message should be construed as an invitation to anyone to violate any valid applicable law. ;-) Thanks again, my friends. Michael Paul Johnson mailto:mpj@ebible.org (aka mpj(a)csn.net) PO Box 1151 http://www.ebible.org/bible <- Holy Bible Longmont CO 80502-1151 http://www.cryptography.org <- Crypto archive USA PGP RSA key fingerprint (mpjA): 3E67 A580 0DFB D16A 6D52 D3A9 1C07 4E41 PGP DSS/DH fingerprint: 28AE B775 DD65 62C7 0717 ECDA 448F E0C7 17D7 47BB

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Overcoming War with Information
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monty Cantsin writes: >One of the things that appeals to me about the tools the cypherpunks >are developing is the likelihood that they will end war. What >percentage of wars are instigated and organized by governments? That >is, how many wars can we think of in which a war originated in the >population of country and dragged its unwilling government into the >fray? I cannot think of any. That's a good point. Cypherpunk technologies should actually _reduce_ the scope of violence, killing, death. These technologies will make it easier to bypass regulations and reduce government control. Free access to communications will make it harder for governments to use propaganda to direct popular opinion as they have in the past. People communicating anonymously will be able to express unpopular views without fear of retribution. It's ironic that some of the greatest supporters of crypto privacy are also the ones who call for more killing, who support terrorist actions like the Oklahoma bombing or a nuclear massacre. They don't seem to understand what this technology is all about.

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Tentsicles
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

IS FOSTER KEY TO "THE OCTOPUS?" Editorial When you start digging into the circumstances surrounding the death of White House aide Vince Foster, a number of names keep popping up that have popped up in relation to a number of large scandals of the last two decades. Starting with the "October Surprise," the alleged plot to delay the release of hostages from Iran to after the presidential election in 1980 in an attempt to embarrass President Carter, it is indeed striking that the hostages were released just a few hours after President Reagan was sworn in. A number of witnesses have testified to the involvement of Vice President Bush and Earl Brian in this secret plot. These witnesses, all CIA or Mossad assets, have received the "Terry Reed treatment": indictment on false charges and thorough discrediting. But it was another source, White House staffer Barbara Honegger, who wrote the first "October Surprise" book in 1989. It was early in the Reagan administration that Earl Brian, Richard Secord and others used their influence and connections to make money on selling the pirated PROMIS software from Inslaw Inc. Former OSS agent Jackson Stephens is alleged to have made money on PROMIS as well through his Arkansas Systematics Inc. It was there that Vince Foster, as a partner of Hillary Clinton in the Rose Law Firm and representing Systematics, became involved with the Inslaw affair. A much bigger scandal of government corruption was the Savings and Loan scandal of the 1980. The federally backed savings-and-loans were not only looted by crooks and criminals but also by well-connected politicians who needed an easy buck. Neil Bush and Bill and Hillary Clinton are just a few examples. Apparently not content with the hundreds of billions in S & L loot from the taxpayer, corrupt government officials turned to drugs. The CIA-sponsored Contra re-supply network was used to ship illegal drugs of incredible volume into the United States. CIA assets Terry Reed and L.D. Brown implicate Bill Clinton, George Bush and Oliver North with this operation. A confidential CIA document obtained by the Washington Weekly supports the involvement of George Bush by linking him to arms-dealer Adnan Khashoggi, Richard Secord, and CIA asset John Hull, whose ranch in Costa Rica was used for transshipment of drugs and arms through Mena, Arkansas and other U.S. destinations. Another of these scandals during the 1980s was the illegal penetration of the bank that the CIA preferred - the BCCI Bank of Crooks and Criminals. Politicians across the spectrum are implicated in taking bribes to allow this bank to take over American banks with the help of Jackson Stephens and Vince Foster. No serious investigations have been launched by the Bush and Clinton Justice Departments. Leaving aside for a moment the dispute over whether any of these scandals have been proven, there is one remarkable facet about the facts as they have been presented: some names appear in several of these alleged scandals. Topping the list is George Bush, the only CIA director to become President of the United States. It is difficult to reconcile these serious allegations with the rather decent public image of George and Barbara Bush. But to dismiss these allegations out of hand is to accept a conspiracy that includes a large number of unrelated witnesses naming the same culprits in different scandals. But it should also be said that participants in these scandals may have thought they acted to defeat Communism, where the end would justify every means. After all, that was the prime objective of the CIA during the Cold War. Are these the arms of the octopus that reporter Danny Casolaro referred to just before he was found dead in his hotel room in 1991? He told friends he was tracing a network of government corruption involving Inslaw, BCCI, and the October Surprise. Washington D.C. attorney Paul Wilcher was tracing the same Octopus when he was found dead three days after Vince Foster died. Think back to the 1992 elections for a moment. Did George Bush bring up any of the scandals that could have defeated Clinton? Did he mention Whitewater, Cattlegate, Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Mena? Why not? Did he know that it could backfire seriously because of what Bill Clinton knew about him? Did Bill Clinton take advantage of that in his unlikely bid for the presidency? What, then, is this Octopus? It appears to be an association between rogue elements of the CIA and certain elected officials. An analysis of these structures will show that corruption is inevitable. The CIA has a budget of $28 billion, it assassinates people without being held accountable in a court of law, it operates in secret, it has almost unlimited power and is not subject to any meaningful oversight. Only saints could avoid corruption and abuse of power in such an environment. Then what can we do about it? Limit the budget of the CIA, limit its role, subject it to greater outside scrutiny, expose past scandals and hold individuals responsible for their crimes. Three presidents tried to do just that: John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon, and Jimmy Carter. None of them stayed in office for long, and none of them achieved their goal. Copyright (c) 1995 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com)

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I'm from the government, and I'm here to fuck you silly...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

INSLAW SUMMARY By Bill Hamilton The following information has been given to each member of the House Judicary Committee and was placed on the Internet in electronic form by Bill Hamilton of Inslaw Corporation. The complete document with supporting details may be obtained from: Inslaw 1125 15th Street, NW Washington, DC 20005-2707 Telephone (202) 828-8638 ... One of the organizational units that reports to Mark Richard is the Office of Special Investigations (OSI). OSI's publicly-declared mission is to locate and deport Nazi war criminals. The Nazi war criminal program is, however, a front for the Justice Department's own covert intelligence service, according to disclosures recently made to INSLAW by several senior Justice Department career officials. One undeclared mission of this covert intelligence service has been the illegal dissemination of the proprietary version of PROMIS, according to information from reliable sources with ties to the U.S. intelligence community. INSLAW has, moreover, obtained a copy of a 27-page Justice Department computer printout, labelled "Criminal Division Vendor List." That list is actually a list of the commercial organizations and individuals who serve as "cutouts" for this secret Justice Department intelligence agency, according to intelligence community informants and a preliminary analysis of the computerized list. A significant proportion of the 100-plus companies on the list appear to be in the computer industry. The Justice Department's secret intelligence agency also has its own "proprietary" company that employs scores of agents of diverse nationalities, as well as individuals who appear to be regular employees of various departments and agencies of the U.S. Government or members of the U.S. Armed Forces, according to several sources.

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Re: Exporting crypto from Japan
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back writes: > I am pleased that you are discussing with us crypto politics in > Japan... we have few contributors from Japan in the past. Yeah, surprising, isn't it, considering how open and welcoming the cypherpunks have been to foreigners and minority races... Actually Adam Back should be nominated for cypherpunk of the year. Unlike a blowhard do-nothing like Timothy "Chop-chop" May (and now we know what the C stands for, don't we?), Adam actually accomplishes things. His 3-line RSA has dramatized the absurdity of the export controls like nothing else. He built a working prototype of an eternity server while everybody else just talked about it. He's been a leader in the fight to oppose PGP GAKware. He has strong political views but is not motivated by hatred and fear. Adam doesn't get nearly the respect he deserves, probably because he's not much of a wordsmith. Tim May's sophistry is good enough to pull the wool over most people's eyes. But look deeper and you'll see that Adam's heart is pure. That's worth far more than May's skill at artfully wrapping his garbage.

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Re: [cpe:4577] Re: List Robustness
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > > Then there's the mirror at Ft. Meade :-) Now that you've told us, are you going to have to kill us?

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Get Started Right Away And Have A Great Christmas
by SBJ Enterprises 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear friend, The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY MINIMAL outlay and the income return is TREMENDOUS! When you order you will be given instructions of a conference call that will give you technical support, step by step how to e-mail your own email. This really works! <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> You are about to make at least $50,000 - In less than 90 days Read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!... <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. My name is Christopher Erickson. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends, and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. I truly believe it was wrong for me to be in debt like this. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share my experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER....FINANCIALLY!!! In mid-December, I received this program via email. Six months prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they worked or not. One claimed I'd make a million dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it. But like I was saying, in December of '95 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further in debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT". Initially I sent out 10,000 emails. It only cost me about $15.00 for my time on-line. The great thing about email is that I didn't need any money for printing to send out the program, only the cost to fulfill my orders. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me! A good program to help do this is Ready Aim Fire, an email extracting and mass mail program: http://microsyssolutions.com/raf/ Another more advanced one can be found at: http://www.extractor.com/ads.htm In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13th, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. When you read the GUARANTEE in the program, you will see that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By January 30th, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. If you go back to the GUARANTEE, "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 19th, of my emailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it wont work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! REPORT #2 explains this. Always follow the guarantee, 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1, and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS !!! If you are a fellow business owner and you are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Christopher Erickson PS Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! "THREW IT AWAY" "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "NO FREE LUNCH" "My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the right target group of people to email it to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me." 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So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU $$$$$$ Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a .5% response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those .5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The .5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The .5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 five dollar bills for you. CASH!!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONLY 2,000. Believe me, many people will do that and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT#3 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing and purchasing email lists. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dream will come true. This multi-level email order marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME. Email is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using email. Get your piece of this action!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and The Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold throughout Multi-level Methods by the mid to late 1990's. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the US, 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. 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DO NOT alter the names or sequence other than what the instructions say. IMPORTANT: Always provide same-day service on all orders. Step (2) Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. Drop the name and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3, moving the one that was there to REPORT #4. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is dropped from the list and this party is no doubt on the way to the bank. When doing this, make certain you type the names and addresses ACCURATELY! DO NOT MIX UP MOVING PRODUCT/REPORT POSITIONS!!! Step (3) Having made the required changes in the NAME list, save it as a text (.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever email program you like. Again, REPORT #3 will tell you the best methods of bulk emailing and acquiring email lists. Step (4) Email a copy of the entire program (all of this is very important) to everyone whose address you can get your hands on. Start with friends and relatives since you can encourage them to take advantage of this fabulous money-making opportunity. That's what I did. And they love me now, more than ever. Then, email to anyone and everyone! Use your imagination! You can get email addresses from companies on the internet who specialize in email mailing lists. These are very cheap, 100,000 addresses for around $35.00. IMPORTANT: You won't get a good response if you use an old list, so always request a FRESH, NEW list. You will find out where to purchase these lists when you order the four 4 REPORTS. REQUIRED REPORTS ***Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** ALWAYS SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE AND $5 CASH FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY NAME AND NUMBER Please, no checks, cash only ! ________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: SJB Enterprises 640-A Valley View Loop Honolulu, HI 96818 ________________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Freedom Investments PO Box 199 Wadesville, IN. 47638-0199 ________________________________________________________ REPORT#3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: Katz Investments 6545 Quiet Hours Columbia, Md 21045 ________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Aquarian Enterprises 3965 Phelan #105-304 Beaumont,TX 77707 _______________________________________________________ CONCLUSION .I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program. You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. Very few people reach financial independence, because when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it. It is much easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you must answer. Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change. Please re-read this material, this is a special opportunity. If you have any questions, please feel free to write to the sender of this information. You will get a prompt and informative reply. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs me pennies to produce and email. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. This is not a chain letter or pyramid scam. At times you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to your people. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four 4 FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and Good Luck! TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred). 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, your name and address go next to REPORT #1 and the others all move down one, with the fourth one being bumped OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many email addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. Copy the four 4 REPORTS so you are able to send them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! YOUR GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES-ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY, REALLY, IT IS!!! "I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the seashore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me." - Sir Isaac Newton

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Fairy gold
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew.

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Re: Tim May's offensive racism (was: about RC4)
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anybody remember when people still used the term "ObCrypto" in their posts? That was back when the list still meant something about crypto and freedom, before it became dedicated to racial hatred. I understand that the catchphrase de rigeur is now "ObJapBashing".

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Re: PGPsdk is now free for non-commercial use
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart writes: > I'm pleased to see PGP Inc. permitting development of freeware, > but at leased from a first reading of the license, > it's a _really_ restrictive definition of "freeware" - > not only does the software have to be free, but it can only be used > in extremely restrictively non-commercial activities. > It's far more restrictive than RSAREF (though more precisely defined.) > Here's an excerpt from the web page at > http://www.pgp.com/sdk/sdklicencefree.html > For purposes hereof, the term "non-commercial" shall mean that > the application > (a) has been distributed or otherwise made available at no charge > (direct or indirect) and > (b) is not used for any commercial purpose, which includes, > but is not limited to, any activity engaged for the purpose > of generating revenues (directly or indirectly). > For example, a commercial purpose includes the use of the > application within a commercial business or facility or > the use of the product to provide a service, or in support > of service, for which you charge. > Commercial purpose also includes use by any government agency > or organization. > Examples of non-commercial purposes include use > at home for personal correspondence, > use by students for academic activities, > or use by human rights organizations. > > First of all, it sounds like it can only be used by students at > non-government-run universities, but not at Berkeley, and if > Random MIT Student develops PGPwidget using the toolkit, > students at U.C.Berkeley can't use it for academic use either, > except perhaps on their PCs at home (if they live off-campus.) > (Do any of the UK universities count as non-government-run?) You consider use by students at U.C.Berkeley to be use by a "government agency or organization". I don't think that is what is meant. They mean something like the NSA, or Congress, or the military. It would be better if they explicitly explained how public schools were to be dealt with. My guess would be that instructors and staff members would require a license, but that students could use it for free. Probably the best thing to do is to send email to PGP and ask them to issue a clarification. > But "within a commercial business or facility" is far more > restrictive. > I use a laptop for my home and work email, and carry it around. > It sounds like I can't use PGPwidget or PGPsdk for encrypting > personal email at lunchtime when my laptop is at the office, > and perhaps not from a hotel (at least if I'm there on business)? "Within" is probably meant in the organizational sense, not in terms of physical inclusion. The fundamental point is whether revenue generation is involved. Personal email does not generate revenue (arguably reading your personal email at work interferes with generating revenue). > I probably can't start PGPwidget at home and leave it running > when I carry the laptop to work. I probably can't use PGPwidget > when I'm reading my work email at home, though perhaps it's ok > to use it on personal mail that someone sent to my work MSExchange, > assuming it's not a widget that competes with a PGP product. You can't use it to do your work. Your company should buy a copy in that case. Reading your work email counts as part of doing your work. Mostly these seem like reasonable definitions of non-commercial use. But you have identified some gray areas that should be fleshed out. Xcalibur

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Re: The Illusion of Freedom
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Nerthus wrote: >>It makes nice rhetoric, but this is simply not true, you know. Most >>people correctly evaluate that you have no chance for freedom at all >>if you commit suicide, whereas a slave *does* have a chance. > >Assuming he recognizes that he *is* a slave. Most people are >oblivious to this fact. >>(By "irrational" here I am referring to behaviour clearly contrary >>to your own survival.) > >'Tis true. War is a perfect example of what happens when too many >people act irrationally. > >I'm interested in avoiding war without becoming a slave in the >process. Anyone else? Sounds like a good deal. However, most people who engage in war are not in any sense free and the single most apparent feature of life in a military organization is the elimination of freedom and privacy. It is most often the case that in order to wage war, one must first become enslaved. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHEGF5aWtjSmRH/5AQFW2Qf/QoOWdyolTt1IxVUT5Nsa0qD4yog0JIK2 rPuBADWMCNtXh5ZilKdsCGz3Jmg7z5zgLQhvZS7vTLrLwEyPl/bNgai2el2ITUKX gH95qAEyHxZRqSuKEduhCK1sa6gCK+nXxKutpt2QhzGRhU7cSHMcyK/hPAX22jjC OWJib0w1pXKKpLQTHHI2Ec1HBJtzURc6HUU7GmDV7ntdAk37UvPUOQqA8470a8s3 TiGmjVKXljCXXfpA1udF8pPfloXOVn/ff4AxW8rjCJCUFqme3uPXDeaki2Ht5qn8 pnlAqA9A3dD4AotNWPnKGNl62FiJSjK3PrzzG3zxwYGqadgpt9d7Qw== =Pbt9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Overcoming War with Information
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monty Cantsin writes: > What the Net and cypherpunkly tools create is a world in which there > are not easily identified disjoint sets because any particular net of > relationships that a person has tends to overlap the relationship nets > of other people who have a dissimilar set of relationships. > > This is a more reliable and robust world to live in because there is a > great deal of redundancy. That is, the elites of two countries cannot > conspire to use their respective sets of serfs as cannon fodder in > some ill advised adventure. It's hard to get excited about a war run > by people who are not your friends against people who happen to live > in another part of the world but with whom you have a relationship. Good point, but it's important to realize that these new attitudes are only available to people who have access to the tools. Much of the world is still trapped in a dark age, without access to the light brought by tools for communication. Powerful interests seek to keep them that way. Until that changes, the old mindset of us-against-them will continue to be a threat to peace. We as cypherpunks must be leaders in encouraging wider access to communications and the tools which manage information. It's not right to target our message narrowly to the militias and racists who gravitate towards anti-government causes. We must be inclusive, offering encouragement to other cultures, other races, other countries. Anti-Japanese, anti-Jewish, anti-Black, anti-Arab sentiments will only hinder our success, and likewise with our emphasis on violence, killing, and death as solutions to problems. The fact that other cultures are often repressive in their own right is no excuse. The tools we offer will help them become more open-minded and inclusive. But we must set an example ourselves. It is a tragedy that the message of hate is being propagated within a technological movement which should foster openness and enlightenment. We can do better than this.

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export restictions and investments
by Jyri Kaljundi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How do the US export restrictions affect investments into non-US crypto companies? Is it legal for US private persons or companies to invest money into companies developing strong crypto applications for example in Europe? Since Sun bought the Russian Elvis+ company it seems to be Ok, just wanted to check if there are any other opinions. Does anyone know of any other non-US companies that have received US investments, or venture capital or whatever? Jyri Kaljundi jk(a)stallion.ee AS Stallion Ltd http://www.stallion.ee/

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obPoliticalIncorrect
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- BTW, did you hear about the blonde who walked into a bar with a headset on? The bartender said, "Take them off, you can't wear those in here." She replied that she couldn't whereupon the bartender ripped them off her. She collapsed immediately and was dead by the time the Rescue Squad arrived. This happened three days in a row with different blonds. Finally, the bartender picked up the headphones and listened. He heard "Breathe In. Breathe Out. Breathe IN. Breath Out." - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNHGPGo9Co1n+aLhhAQHkgQP/dPm7AXSX6qT7NFBN4/CNkNfHjDwwmB6o FjWwYFlO42ZxhZmwAKqm3+hhYDSV9c7+JD23DV24+i3+VPKNU1ZMEcFI9XKqu3qk 51CrkCx/qw5J08zWdsdnuyDTFebjf0IMi+3kXC0Abu8kmGUWpDlTnMeiDYN2QOtG Vj70qyBm1zg= =kLk4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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ICC on E-Commerce
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jyri Kaljundi wrote: >There were some reports released lately by the International Chamber of >Commerce (http://www.iccwbo.org/) also. These were in connection with >World Business Agenda for Electronic Commerce conference some days ago in >Paris. Most of the materials seemed to be there on the web. Yes, and good reports they are. We've mirrored one of them: "Guide to International Digitally Ensured Commerce": http://jya.com/guidec2.htm (130K)

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Overcoming prejudice
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Former Klan hotbed elects first black mayor November 16, 1997 STONE MOUNTAIN, Georgia (AP) -- By the light of a blazing cross, the Ku Klux Klan proclaimed its 20th century rebirth on the granite mountain that gives the town its name. For decades, white-hooded Klansmen flocked here for annual gatherings, and Confederate heroes are sculpted into the side of the mountain. Today, the mayor's office once held by an imperial wizard of the Klan is about to be filled by a black man, who also lives in the former KKK leader's house. Elected with biracial support, Chuck Burris is more concerned about getting new sidewalks and more police than with Stone Mountain's old image of racial division. Burris, a city councilman, defeated a six-year incumbent in the November 4 election and will lead a black majority City Council in January. Campaign didn't focus on race <snip> 'We wanted the best-qualified candidate' <snip> New mayor lives in house that belonged to Klan wizard --- >From cnn.com. If the birthplace of the KKK can rise above its racial prejudice, is it too much to ask the same of ourselves?

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Best Internet Phone!! Read all about it.......
by Afriend＠good-buddy-911.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Trying To Reach You !!
by cb_brown＠mail.jax.bellsouth.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Overcoming War with Information
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Nerthus wrote: >War is often used to justify the existence of government. If >politicians can convince the people that they have an enemy that must >be destroyed, the people willingly give their lives and livelihood to >the government to fight this assumed enemy. War feeds the expansion >of a government's power over its citizens. After the war has ended, >the government maintains this newfound power. Governmentally inclined organizations stir up violence and trouble all the time to strengthen their positions. I would make a more extreme statement and say that the source of most wars are governments. The counter example would be a war in which a government was dragged unwillingly to the battlefield by its people. Can anybody think of a single counter example? I cannot, but there might be one or two. >Interestingly, the 20th century, which has been the bloodiest in >recorded history, has also been the century of failed experiments in >large-scale government. The former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia are >clear examples of what happens when different groups of people (who >would rather not be associated) are forced to live together at the >point of a gun. The disolution of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, >and the subsequent violence and unrest clearly illustrate the results >of forced association. How much of this violence arises spontaneously and how much of it is instigated by politicians? I haven't studied the dissolution of Yugoslavia, but it seems likely that the new governments which were formed strengthened their somewhat weak positions through the instigation of violence. The post-Yugoslav governments probably cooperated in creating hatreds and division to lock in their rule. This can be hard to study because usually we don't have access to the people doing this, their files, or their communications. There are instructive examples, however. On Christmas Day, 1914, the men in the trenches in France stopped fighting and left their trenches to celebrate the day together. Officers on both sides worked very hard to make sure nothing so terrible would ever happen again! It's hard to understand what terrible thing would have occurred if World War I were simply called off. >We must remember that people are reluctant -- and for good reason -- >to go to war. Common sense prevails, though it may not be exercised >all that often. War can be avoided if the truth of the situation is >revealed to the populace: the spotlight shone on the puppetmasters. Preventing war entirely might be hard. But, we can certainly create tools and customs which make it possible for many people to evade participation in a war. For instance, widely available highly liquid assets means that it is possible to be somewhat independent of a particular nation. This means that spending a few years outside a warring nation is far more practical. If things settle down, you can go back home. If not, stay away! A good real life example is the Jewish people living in Germany. They were not allowed to take their assets with them. If you were worth, say, $500,000 and your choice was to lose it all or stay in the country, you might persuade yourself that things had already hit bottom and if you just stuck it out, you wouldn't lose your life or your fortune. This is a bad decision to have to make. If we think of human beings as points in a graph and their relationships as the edges we can create a nifty model of the world of the future. Right now, nations are sets of people whose relationships are almost entirely confined to the set. The elites of nations have some contact with each other, but for the most part nations are disjoint sets. What the Net and cypherpunkly tools create is a world in which there are not easily identified disjoint sets because any particular net of relationships that a person has tends to overlap the relationship nets of other people who have a dissimilar set of relationships. This is a more reliable and robust world to live in because there is a great deal of redundancy. That is, the elites of two countries cannot conspire to use their respective sets of serfs as cannon fodder in some ill advised adventure. It's hard to get excited about a war run by people who are not your friends against people who happen to live in another part of the world but with whom you have a relationship. You are entirely right in your observation that the governments of the world work hard at keeping the sets of people disjoint from each other without appearing to do so. My favorite example is the outrageous taxes imposed on cross border communications. >At the same time, clear solutions to the problems that have >accumulated due to blind faith in an unworkable system have to be >presented and implemented. The transition will not be easy. Personally, I like the approach of finding easy ways to do things. I don't think the nature of the situation requires an all or nothing approach. Let's say crypto is completely outlawed in the United States and the phones are all tapped. It still won't be possible to suppress an underground press since the reproduction costs are so low. In the past people have managed to publish underground newspapers under extremely harsh conditions. Nowadays it's as hard as copying a diskette. I believe that the things we do to move in a forward direction are additive, just like money. This goes for techniques we develop as well as people who are involved in our projects. We should design our systems so that they do not rely on the goodwill of the masses. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHEEyZaWtjSmRH/5AQGw9Qf+L2+VihS1c5PUYH0U/BTAU4URy/pXjWgp GhKUt8jF+RIu0zJnVqRTXErsaIa3Up/DDeSNJu7BFVAzBX/Ej5QqNT4JdZlrZ37P DN5JMjMzTyGhq92XkaXFc+VRbpGUGu0yKojhQeLXObjfb78ZTFcddtcMx+dudf/W M1YXtB5TwPWBRso9f+BGeKCMUYouX06/X/vpzxGE5fJ5NvO15rzdZNoQ06jNp1lw dOiuaxCghHQHcUXKAN4syMOGSNCeqGB0/D0JRsMf0/wu1jcEb5LJC4KGmc18phi+ ZjI4yjydL7nG1tIXNjHeBG8oGCDkLhLBi6jh3lysOjKWUJFJchaT0A== =dOvU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Violence and depravity
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> wrote: >> Every day that passes, I'm more convinced that McVeigh did the >> right thing. Some innocents died, but, hey, war is hell. Broken >> eggs and all that. > >This speaks for itself. Only an utterly depraved, sick, and vicious >individual could support the killings in Oklahoma City. This is the >man who many would say is the most respected on the list. I suppose it could be true that after consideration, only a morally bad or evil person would view positively the Oklahoma City bombing. However, the discussion is valuable and it is a productive one in which to engage. The morality of war is an exceptionally important question to resolve. What is interesting about Timothy McVeigh's world view is how astonishingly similar it is to the view of most people in the organizations he is attacking or, indeed, the view of most people in American society or even the world. In general, the massacre of innocents is considered "depraved" when the acts are committed by those far from the levers of power. The USG was exposed to some criticism in the Gulf War, but much less than would be proportional to the number of innocents who died. For the most part, the people who die in modern war are non-combatants. McVeigh apparently found it to be acceptable to kill, for the most part, a bunch of office workers to get at his actual target the ATF offices on the top floor of the building. (I have no idea whether he knew of the day care center and whether this would have affected his decisions.) Generally, when a military mind is confronted with a shield of innocents, the innocents won't last long. Once this reasoning is accepted, and it is widely, the real question is whether the war is justified. After seeing the horrifying picture of the body of an 8 year old girl who was gassed and then burned at Waco, it's difficult to dismiss war as a moral and just response. For those who have not seen this picture, the poor child's arms and legs were horribly twisted into unnatural positions as a consequence of cyanide poisoning which causes muscles to violently contract. The muscles in the back and on the back of the legs are stronger than the other muscles. In executions, the contractions can be so violent as to break bones. Gassing is particularly hard on children as they typically will not have closely fitting gas masks. (Children come in all sizes, but the available gas masks may often do not.) While some aspects of what happened at Waco are debatable, there is no question that representatives of the United States government consciously decided to gas the people in the house. This was not a mistake made in a time critical situation. It was carefully planned. It is my sense that we must not allow these sorts of acts to occur in the future. I feel quite strongly about this. "The System" failed to prevent the murders and it failed to prosecute even a single Federal official for the crimes committed. Crimes which can certainly be compared to "crimes against humanity". Little seems to be publicly known of the responsibility of the various levels of the chain of command. We do know that there was a great deal of communication with the highest levels of the United States government. William Jefferson Clinton and Janet Reno may not be guilty of premeditated murder. But, a series of fair trials would have cleared up this question. Instead, some of the surviving victims were tried. Given that the government itself committed the atrocities and the mechanisms to discourage future atrocities through public condemnation and punishment were not invoked, it is clear that the solution will not come from "within the system." McVeigh apparently decided that the proper response was a war on the United States government with the attendant loss of innocents. This decision expresses a moral code indistinguishable from that of most officials in the government itself. McVeigh even implied that his government is his "great teacher"! In my view, this is an error. Surely we can choose better moral teachers than the United States government! Returning to Tim May's comment that he was feeling sympathetic with Tim McVeigh's decisions, it seems to me that it is understandable why such a thought would cross the mind of a person who is not morally bad or evil. However, it may be that after thought and discussion that a person with sound morals and good intentions may also decide that McVeigh's actions should not be emulated. The important word here is "discussion". The interesting property of discussion is that one does not always know at the beginning what one will believe at the end. That's why they are worth having. That's why it is not "utterly depraved, sick, and vicious" for somebody to discuss an idea, even one with which we do not agree. Most people are not pacifists. Brian Riley related an experience he had in Vietnam in which somebody came running out of the bushes with a bayoneted SKS rifle. It would be hard to find anybody who wouldn't do the obvious thing in this situation. That said, I do not believe that McVeigh did the right thing. Few of his victims can be said to be responsible for the actions taken at Waco. And the problem with the use of violence is that it is hard to control and the consequences of the act are often hard to predict. Violence is often dangerous to the user. Those participating in the use of organized violence seldom have much choice in the targets, type, or quantity of the violence employed. Violence is, in nearly every case, a poor investment of time, money, and energy. 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Re: Overcoming War with Information
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Nerthus wrote: >War is often used to justify the existence of government. If >politicians can convince the people that they have an enemy that must >be destroyed, the people willingly give their lives and livelihood to >the government to fight this assumed enemy. War feeds the expansion >of a government's power over its citizens. After the war has ended, >the government maintains this newfound power. Governmentally inclined organizations stir up violence and trouble all the time to strengthen their positions. I would make a more extreme statement and say that the source of most wars are governments. The counter example would be a war in which a government was dragged unwillingly to the battlefield by its people. Can anybody think of a single counter example? I cannot, but there might be one or two. >Interestingly, the 20th century, which has been the bloodiest in >recorded history, has also been the century of failed experiments in >large-scale government. The former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia are >clear examples of what happens when different groups of people (who >would rather not be associated) are forced to live together at the >point of a gun. The disolution of the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, >and the subsequent violence and unrest clearly illustrate the results >of forced association. How much of this violence arises spontaneously and how much of it is instigated by politicians? I haven't studied the dissolution of Yugoslavia, but it seems likely that the new governments which were formed strengthened their somewhat weak positions through the instigation of violence. The post-Yugoslav governments probably cooperated in creating hatreds and division to lock in their rule. This can be hard to study because usually we don't have access to the people doing this, their files, or their communications. There are instructive examples, however. On Christmas Day, 1914, the men in the trenches in France stopped fighting and left their trenches to celebrate the day together. Officers on both sides worked very hard to make sure nothing so terrible would ever happen again! It's hard to understand what terrible thing would have occurred if World War I were simply called off. >We must remember that people are reluctant -- and for good reason -- >to go to war. Common sense prevails, though it may not be exercised >all that often. War can be avoided if the truth of the situation is >revealed to the populace: the spotlight shone on the puppetmasters. Preventing war entirely might be hard. But, we can certainly create tools and customs which make it possible for many people to evade participation in a war. For instance, widely available highly liquid assets means that it is possible to be somewhat independent of a particular nation. This means that spending a few years outside a warring nation is far more practical. If things settle down, you can go back home. If not, stay away! A good real life example is the Jewish people living in Germany. They were not allowed to take their assets with them. If you were worth, say, $500,000 and your choice was to lose it all or stay in the country, you might persuade yourself that things had already hit bottom and if you just stuck it out, you wouldn't lose your life or your fortune. This is a bad decision to have to make. If we think of human beings as points in a graph and their relationships as the edges we can create a nifty model of the world of the future. Right now, nations are sets of people whose relationships are almost entirely confined to the set. The elites of nations have some contact with each other, but for the most part nations are disjoint sets. What the Net and cypherpunkly tools create is a world in which there are not easily identified disjoint sets because any particular net of relationships that a person has tends to overlap the relationship nets of other people who have a dissimilar set of relationships. This is a more reliable and robust world to live in because there is a great deal of redundancy. That is, the elites of two countries cannot conspire to use their respective sets of serfs as cannon fodder in some ill advised adventure. It's hard to get excited about a war run by people who are not your friends against people who happen to live in another part of the world but with whom you have a relationship. You are entirely right in your observation that the governments of the world work hard at keeping the sets of people disjoint from each other without appearing to do so. My favorite example is the outrageous taxes imposed on cross border communications. >At the same time, clear solutions to the problems that have >accumulated due to blind faith in an unworkable system have to be >presented and implemented. The transition will not be easy. Personally, I like the approach of finding easy ways to do things. I don't think the nature of the situation requires an all or nothing approach. Let's say crypto is completely outlawed in the United States and the phones are all tapped. It still won't be possible to suppress an underground press since the reproduction costs are so low. In the past people have managed to publish underground newspapers under extremely harsh conditions. Nowadays it's as hard as copying a diskette. I believe that the things we do to move in a forward direction are additive, just like money. This goes for techniques we develop as well as people who are involved in our projects. We should design our systems so that they do not rely on the goodwill of the masses. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHEEyZaWtjSmRH/5AQGw9Qf+L2+VihS1c5PUYH0U/BTAU4URy/pXjWgp GhKUt8jF+RIu0zJnVqRTXErsaIa3Up/DDeSNJu7BFVAzBX/Ej5QqNT4JdZlrZ37P DN5JMjMzTyGhq92XkaXFc+VRbpGUGu0yKojhQeLXObjfb78ZTFcddtcMx+dudf/W M1YXtB5TwPWBRso9f+BGeKCMUYouX06/X/vpzxGE5fJ5NvO15rzdZNoQ06jNp1lw dOiuaxCghHQHcUXKAN4syMOGSNCeqGB0/D0JRsMf0/wu1jcEb5LJC4KGmc18phi+ ZjI4yjydL7nG1tIXNjHeBG8oGCDkLhLBi6jh3lysOjKWUJFJchaT0A== =dOvU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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For a Dignified and Effective Demonstration
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - From an anonymous leaflet, London, early 1980s. FOR A DIGNIFIED AND EFFECTIVE DEMONSTRATION Brought to you by the ALL-LONDON UNITED ALLIANCE OF SOCIALIST CAUCUSES to whom teh following are signatories: G.L.C., London Labour Party, T.U.C., S.W.P., W.R.P., I.M.G., C.N.D., Ecology Party, Y.C.L., and B.F. We welcome everyone to today's demonstration, which we hope will be amongst the biggest London has seen for many years. We are confident that the vast majority of you will keep intact your dignity. A disciplined rally is essential if we are to avoid discrediting ourselves in the eyes of the public and losing the approval of the police. We want to give the media no reason to condemn our campaign by pointing to any over-imaginative acts. To this end, we call on everyone to obey the dictates of the stewards who will be found alongside the police. They will be acting in your interests. They are sensible people - please be sensible with them. Beware of troublemakers - some may be in the crowd with you. If you see any do not hesitate to summon stewards or the police, who, we must remember, are our brothers in work. Comrades! Even in a socialist society we shall still need Specialists-In-Order to combat hooligans and deviants. While it's true that nowadays the police are occasionally over-zealous in their protection of privilege, property, and the violence of the world market, the best way of dealing with this is by demanding public accountability through elected local government or some other representation of submissive community. In the meantime we should recognize that they will only listen to our complaints if we conduct ourselves in the correct manner. RESPECT FOR THE DEAD Our tactics are those to which the greatest number can conform with the least difficulty. They require no more than your presence and a minimum of participation. All that we ask is that you recreate the conditions of your work. Remember! It's numbers that count; the boredom you feel is also imposed by the demo on everyone else. Each demonstrator must be equivalent to and replaceable by any other. Just like our old friend, the commodity. Please bear in mind that love and marriage go together like a horse and carriage, OK? We therefore ask you to comply with the following simple rules: 1. Exactly one hundred to a line, each rank to be one yard clear of the line in front. No lounging please. 2. Wait for the initiative of the official loud-speakers before repeating the correct slogans, always recognisable by their format. For example: "X - IN! . . . Y - OUT!" or "WHAT DO WE WANT? - SOMETHING! . . . WHEN DO WE WANT IT? - WHENEVER YOU GET AROUND TO GIVING IT TO US!". Kindly check that all Extra-Parliamentary slogans recognize the ultimate sovereignty of Parliament. If you have any doubts, consult our easy-to-read list of DEMONSTRATION SLOGANS DO'S & DON'TS: - CHANT DO NOT CHANT Cheap Fares Now! NOT Helicopters on Demand! Victory to Fares Fight! NOT Total Contestation! No Return to the 30's! NOT No Adventure for the '80s! Slogans are jolly good fun! NOT Bollocks to Demands of our Enemies! Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa! NOT Riot for Romance! 3. The left-hand side of the rally has been designated a 'No Smoking' area. Demonstrators are respectfully asked to comply with this request. 4. If you see any impatient extremists please inform us immediately. They are easily distinguishable by the following kinds of sectarian individualism: a) Inventing unofficial slogans such as "Kenny is a Cop!", "Neither Left, Right, nor Centre!" or "Revolution is the Festival of the Depressed!" or some other aggressive utopian rubbish. b) Departing from the prescribed site of the demo for the purpose of indulging in manual waltzes through shop windows and the wilful destruction of saleable goods. Take care to note that Piccadilly, offering gold-drenched shops and fine vistas of the commodity, is a holiday of sheer temptation you should avoid. c) Making unauthorised alterations to luxury cars. d) Using banner poles in an extravagantly exhuberant manner. e) Smoking excessively long cigarettes or 'joints'. f) Drinking looted alcohol. COORDINATED FEROCITY g) Suggesting that demonstrators should band together in groups of fifty or more in order to spread disruption of traffic as widely as possible. For example, by the continuous use of zebra crossings, standing around chatting in the middle of the road or arranging obstacles to prevent the free flow of carbon monoxide, lead, cop cars, and tension-producing noises through our streets. h) Any clever, erotic, or playful expression of individual or group initiative. CLOCKWORK FUTILITY 5. During the rally you are urged to clap your favourite speakers. Please confine your enthusiasm to 15 secs per point made in the middle of a pseech and a maximum of 30 secs at the end of one. Please do not interrupt with shouts of "BORING"! 6. Always remember to smile at the press cameras and adopt a suitably militant stance even when you feel pissed off with the whole business. 7. If you are uncertain whether a particular mode of behaviour is orderly or not, just do what everybody else is doing. Should any unconventional urges remain do not hesitate to discuss them with one of our stewards. They will be only too pleased to refer you to the appropriate specialist, whether G.P. or S.W.P. 8. At the end of the demo please do not dawdle. Failure to make your way home quickly could result in you missing the sight of yourself on TV. This leaflet is brought to you courtesy of the ALL-LONDON UNITED ALLIANCE OF SOCIALIST CAUCUSES. The following have refused to sign this leaflet: The vandals of St. Saviours Primary School who refused to accept their discipline quietly and who wrecked their compuslory prison, causing a sobbing teacher to lament "These youngsters have hardly left their cradles, but they are threatening to take over the school." The rioters at Bydgoszcz Prison in Poland who fought Communist Party hacks, State Police, and Solidarity union officials, all allied in defence of the walls of the prison against the townspeople who were helping prisoners escape. The ASLEF traindrivers who avoid wage slavery as much as possible, preferring dancing and drinking to sacrificing themslves to a job which mainly involves transporting other slaves so that they may perpetuate the futility of it all. The black and white joyriding youth of Clapham who used CB radios for the fun of organising efficient looting. The Deptford New Cross Marchers of a year ago who in anger and audacity broke away from the march in order to re-distribute weatlh in the Bond Street area. The Toxteth and Southall youths who shouted down Left Labour activists patronising enough to characterize the riots as "understandable but inexcusable". The truckdrivers of Cleveland, USA, who took over the local distribution of food, medicine, and other necessities, by themselves and without mediation, for over 3 weeks. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHFJYj7jyGKQlFZpAQF45gf/cLPQudDnrnKEHSldLB8WO+twoJ3G4QnC pGZa2T13APLzDCB9Sh+F5DEL85D7mVzk8w4kuQSdrgGqZ14rAc95wpPX6KkCNo2o E5JqrBc6dxGXxJT+rSJvS/vri8k8g06HDbhB1QBIYm4OjXkoKw8XZYJAmYYTgfLD 6QY1pnjDzQ0JMMsteUKsK+TWEpMO566mzIP2Lkf8EC9Y3kWn7S+xVsj7mtv3e7Nm MDVQr/ztJm7AQiecHYmZQ88lFU/9b0VtWJNS23kRP7wdkpuqq99BG46gUIHAwDk1 Rtlirhli0Qt8OSHjVZ2BAVn1jjd2qjdIemok7Npt5Uq4smiMvEZCug== =ERUa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Robust Debate
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Joichi Ito wrote: >> This discussion is hardly going down in flames. You're apparently >> too sensitive to engage in robust debate. > >This is true. I am not going engage in what you probably call a >robust debate. A lot of people read this list and any robust debate >will probably lower my reputation capital in some important area for >me no matter what the outcome. I am not currently willing to take >this risk. 1. IMO, robust debate is the source of new ideas. New and worthwhile ideas are often shocking. For example, the music by Bach, Beethoven, the Beatles, and even the Sex Pistols were all shocking in their time. 2. Attacks on your posts only lower your reputation if the attacks have substance. Tim May has been attacked more than anybody else on the list for years. His reputation capital is doing just fine. 3. Use of remailers simplifies True Name reputation management. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHD7NZaWtjSmRH/5AQHbYAf9FeWz6D12NjT0hm9/IA4SVzr6+97RvB+/ VW50fLVRLe1gnW5BDzsWSiWWJB0jXDif8adqLZfm45RAQX4b9t60y+ShSfaxt+9d weqKM6n0p7vl4aHz73nyTcdzsi7ysR+vEarYiTqQMXRnI+EJdewCEuctCmRCWZE3 2liBy3HqZLCuLsUKxAL6IOlmnu73g1uw4zJeADiFFU1l26qmuE0xbMt4tgnLFnW7 vgOHGgkK4dZ2rboSsZcgBZ3acV19Z+TDHfDN7jaF7pRY6wEzryuyH5rmVPO+RuDr buDDG+9sgeE336SRcArl+7tWMMnf1fKgKnZG7r7+3GC+sTNjbbjehA== =0XHn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The Judge On War
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Blood Meridian: Or the Evening Redness in the West" by Cormac McCarthy On a rise at the western edge of the playa they passed a crude wooden cross where Maricopas had crucified an Apache. The mummied corpse hung from the crosstree with its mouth gaped in a raw hole, a thing of leather and bone scoured by the pumice winds off the lake and the pale tree of the ribs showing through the scraps of hide that hung from the breast. They rode on. The horses trudged sullenly the alien ground and the round earth rolled beneath them silently milling the greater void wherein they were contained. In the neuter austerity of that terrain all phenomena were bequeathed a strange equality and no one thing nor spider nor stone nor blade of grass could put forth claim to precedence. The very clarity of these articles belied their familiarity, for the eye predicates the whole on some feature or part and here was nothing more luminous than another and nothing more enshadowed and in the optical democracy of such landscapes all preference is made whimsical and a man and a rock become endowed with unguessed kinships. They grew gaunted and lank under the white suns of those days and their hollow burnedout eyes were like those of noctambulants surprised by day. Crouched under their hats they seemed fugitives on some grander scale, like beings for whom the sun hungered. Even the judge grew silent and speculative. He'd spoke of purging oneself of those things that lay claim to a man but that body receiving his remarks counted themselves well done with any claims at all. They rode on and the wind drove the fine gray dust before them and they rode an army of graybeards, gray men, gray horses. The mountains to the north lay sunwise in corrugated folds and the days were cool and the nights were cold and they sat about the fire each in his round of darkness in that round of dark while the idiot watched from his cage at the edge of the light. The judge cracked with the back of an axe the shinbone of an antelope and the hot marrow dripped smoking on the stones. They watched him. The subject was war. The good book says that he that lives by the sword shall perish by the sword, said the black. The judge smiled, his face shining with grease. What right man would have it any other way? he said. The good book does indeed count war an evil, said Irving. Yet there's many a bloody tale of war inside it. It makes no difference what men think of war, said the judge. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way. He turned to Brown, from whom he'd heard some whispered slur or demurrer. Ah Davy, he said. It's your own trade we honor here. Why not rather take a small bow. Let each acknowledge each. My trade? Certainly. What is my trade? War. War is your trade. Is it not? And it aint yours? Mine too. Very much so. What about all them notebooks and bones and stuff? All other trades are contained in that of war. Is that why war endures? No. It endures because young men love it and old men love it in them. Those that fought, those that did not. That's your notion. The judge smiled. Men are born for games. Nothing else. Every child knows that play is nobler than work. He knows too that the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the skill and strength of the opponents and the humiliation of defeat and the pride of victory are in themselves sufficient stake because they inhere in the worth of the principals and define them. But trial of chance or trial of worth all games aspire to the condition of war for here that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all. Suppose two men at cards with nothing to wager save their lives. Who has not heard such a tale? A turn of the card. The whole universe for such a player has labored clanking to this moment which will tell if he is to die at that man's hand or that man at his. What more certain validation of a man's worth could there be? This enhancement of the game to its ultimate state admits no argument concerning the notion of fate. The selection of one man over another is a preference absolute and irrevocable and it is a dull man indeed who could reckon so profound a decision without agency or significance either one. In such games as have for their stake the annihilation of the defeated the decisions are quite clear. This man holding this particular arrangement of cards in his hand is thereby removed from existence. This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once a game and the authority and the justification. Seen so, war is the truest form of divination. It is the testing of one's will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last forcing of the unity of existence. War is god. Brown studied the judge. You're crazy Holden. Crazy at last. The judge smiled. Might does not make right, said Irving. The man that wins in some combat is not vindicated morally. Moral law is an invention of mankind for the disenfranchisement of the powerful in favor of the weak. Historical law subverts it at every turn. A moral view can never be proven right or wrong by any ultimate test. A man falling dead in a duel is not thought thereby to be proven in error as to his views. His very involvement in such a trial gives evidence of a new and broader view. The willingness of the principals to forgo further argument as the triviality which it in fact is and to petition directly the chambers of the historical absolute clearly indicates of how little moment are the opinions and of what great moment the divergences thereof. For the argument is indeed trivial, but not so the separate wills thereby made manifest. Man's vanity may well approach the infinite in capacity but his knowledge remains imperfect and howevermuch he comes to value his judgements ultimately he must submit them before a higher court. Here there can be no special pleading. Here are considerations of equity and rectitude and moral right rendered void and without warrant and here are the views of the litigants despised. Decisions of life and death, of what shall be and what shall not, beggar all question of right. In elections of these magnitudes are all lesser ones subsumed, moral, spiritual, natural. The judge searched out the circle for disputants. But what says the priest? he said. Tobin looked up. The priest does not say. The priest does not say, said the judge. Nihil dicit. But the priest has said. For the priest has put by the robes of his craft and taken up the tools of that higher calling which all men honor. The priest also would be no godserver but a god himself. Tobin shook his head. You've a blasphemous tongue, Holden. And in truth I was never a priest but only a novitiate to the order. Journeyman priest or apprentice priest, said the judge. Men of god and men of war have strange affinities. I'll not secondsay you in your notions, said Tobin. Dont ask it. Ah Priest, said the judge. 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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May will fuck anything that moves, but he'd rather be fucking his own mother's dead body. /\ __/__\__ | 00 | Tim May |: \ :| | \_/| \__/

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If anyone doubts Gary Burnore's vindictive nature and his disregard for the privacy of others, read this message from him where he dug up an old tax lien filed against one of his critics and broadcast it worldwide on Usenet in order to embarass him and intimidate him into silence about Gary Burnore and his abusive tactics: --- BEGIN INCLUDED MESSAGE --- Subject: Re: Monkey-boys position From: gburnore(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 02:01:14 GMT Message-ID: <gburnoreE5Iqy2.H8C(a)netcom.com> Organization: the home office in Wazoo, NE Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,news.admin.net-abuse.usenet References: <gburnoreE51xvo.2zK(a)netcom.com> <5doim6$32q$1(a)monkeys.com> <twficE5G4HL.Fp9(a)netcom.com> <wotanE5Gu0t.8Hv(a)netcom.com> <5drvl3$bvr$1(a)monkeys.com> Ronald F. Guilmette (rfg(a)monkeys.com) wrote: { In article <wotanE5Gu0t.8Hv(a)netcom.com>, <Wotan> wrote: { >In article <twficE5G4HL.Fp9(a)netcom.com>, { >Ty Fairchild <twfic(a)netcom.com> wrote while drinking: { > { >>Fortunately this thread will not be extended by any further follow from { >>monkeyboy. His public pronouncement states his position. { > { >Y'all mean bent over a post spreading his ass cheeks and yelling "Fuck { >me" to any passing entity? { Atta boy Wotan, my little BaBaBasicks bean brain. Jump in again any time. What say each time you slam DataBasix for no reason, we post some publicly available information about monkeys.com. HEre's the first try: + +Filing Number: 90226822 +Document Type: STATE TAX +Filing Date: 04/30/90 +Amount: $157,705 +Debtor: GUILMETTE, RONALD F, <ssn deleted> + 550 PAULARINO AV, COSTA MESA, CA +Court/County: ORANGE REC, ORANGE, CA +Certificate: 90114005621 +Tax Authority: FRANCHISE TAX BOARD +Release Number: 90431912 +Release Date: 08/15/90 + +Filing Number: 336573L +Document Type: STATE TAX +Filing Date: 04/27/90 +Amount: $157,705 +Debtor: GUILMETTE, RONALD F, <ssn deleted> + 550 PAULARINO AV, COSTA MESA, CA +Court/County: SANTA CLARA REC, SANTA CLARA, CA +Certificate: 90114005622 +Tax Authority: FRANCHISE TAX BOARD +Release Number: 4451377L +Release Date: 08/10/90 + More where this came from. Yu wanna keep slamming DataBasix for no good reason? -- gburnore(a)databasix.com mailto:gburnore@databasix.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- What's another word for Thesaurus? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ][3:]3^3:]3][3:]3^3:]3]3^3:]3]][3 DataBasix | ][3:]3^3:]3][3:]3^3:]3]3^3:]3]][3 San Francisco, CA | ][3:]3^3:]3][3:]3^3:]3]3^3:]3]][3 | ][3 3 4 1 4 2 ]3^3 6 9 0 6 9 ][3 http://www.databasix.com | Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== --- END INCLUDED MESSAGE --- --

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Re: How anonymous?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Ian Sparkes wrote: >If all anonymous posters make a concerted effort to write like Mr. >Nakatuji, not only will anonymity be assured, but the list will be a *lot* >funnier. "You know Mixmaster? Send me 50 dollar, I show you how use." But seriously, there is something to be said for adopting a style of writing specific to a nym or group of nyms. Anyone who has read The Economist magazine on various occasions knows how its language and tone are consistent, as if one author writes every article, issue after issue. Having the writings of a nym "edited" by others as a way of foiling Stylometry -- the statistical analysis of literary style -- may prove to be a lucrative business if nyms ever gain wide use, especially if they are used in ecommerce where anonymity of the nym holder is paramount to avoid the wrath of the tax man in his physical jurisdiction. Much of our writing style is unconscious. We habitually use certain vocabulary, sentence structure, punctuation. Our writings are like a fingerprint. The more we write, the greater the detail of that fingerprint. We can try to alter the style. Write shorter or longer sentences. Choose our words capriciously. But on some occasions (think ecommerce) it may be necessary to have a second party rewrite the original text. Enter the "nym editor" to remove the stylometric clues from a nym's writings. Correspondence between the nym owner and editor could be achieved anonymously using remailers, nym servers and "throw away" email accounts (Hotmail and Mailexcite). When the nym owner locates an editor and they agree on the terms of engagement, the owner submits his text to the editor. The editor reworks it, and sends it back to the owner. The owner may then make a few small changes or even submit it to another nym editor before posting the text under his nym. A nym owner may prefer a certain editor's style and continue to use him. Thus the nym will offer stylometric clues of the editor, not the owner. The nym owner can pay the editor using ecash, preferably of the fully-anonymous flavor. If the nym owner stiffs the editor on a payment, he can then broadcast it through the relevant channels. The nym suffers loss of reputation capital. It seems reasonable to assume that the likelihood of fraud by the nym holder is slim, especially if the editor tends to deal with persistent nyms. Fraud by the nym editor is also unlikely. The worst he could do is publish the unedited text, giving stylometric clues about the nym holder. The prudent nym holder who uses more than one editor can better avoid such a situation, though that risk is never entirely eliminated. However if the nym editor is uncertain of the author of the text he is reworking, there is little incentive to blackmail the nym holder since all he may be doing is passing on stylometric clues about another nym editor. Amad3us wrote elsewhere: >What do people think this nym is for? Only nyms can trade with >impunity in the tax free cypherspace. But only as long as the nym holder remains anonymous. Digital mixes are superb, but what good are they when we give away clues about who we are with every keystroke we embed in our digitally-signed messages? Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHElEuFWwZe05jcJAQFSpwf6A63ba2/dSjXMJgdc4s5PvxbX+p4+J0Yw Hs+0unBnW+ULINMzyWyAs/q0oMVkXFHwD14t3VGQb+ofuhxXyC1c/tmuzKadgM5d OUAj1lmthAJncv9nJWulWAVJuksei4/xgGfAq18wSL4l9bt9L7UTY4m0zSnvlvDf KR3F+koKreO4dn9C0AcIMeClHWwpepUpxZflJwSszaPnCciuOHJ1ga/lKz+NCvmp CXPXzGW2PpfwhRBt0AkkX4WfnYNiFupalSx6pxgrHDiMHAMEr4G0W8fZlAUW8dSB X+1DSTMdCZLDMTsfSozUXDMiZB2Jgxwlu5vxcvY+kODBcCy9RGZBPw== =H2qx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Databasix conspiracy theories
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Andy Dustman <andy(a)neptune.chem.uga.edu> wrote: > > The remailers themselves have become the victims of forgeries. Back during > > the DataBasix "reign of [t]error" directed at Jeff Burchell, the "DataBasix > > cabal" (called that by a Netcom news admin, BTW) accused the Mailmasher > > 'nymserver of being used for "forgery" of Gary Burnore's name and address > > to various posts. And now, even after the cajones.com domain has apparently > > bitten the dust, I've seen complaints of spam being received by people that's > > been forged to look as if it had come from that domain. In the case of the > > Burnore forgeries, the Path: was only traceable back to the mail2news gateway, > > so the header items implicating Mailmasher could have easily been forged just > > as Mr. Burnore's address was. Nevertheless, these alleged "forgeries" > > comprised the rationale used by a DataBasix employee, Billy McClatchie, for > > demanding the Mailmasher be shut down. > > I've never really been convinced that Databasix has much to do with the > Huge Cajones fiasco. I'm not saying nobody from there is involved, though. > I'm just trying to keep an objective opinion on the subject. While I have no first-hand information on that, Jeff Burchell, operator of the Huge Cajones Remailer, reported involvement of three DataBasix staff members: Gary L. Burnore, Belinda Bryan, and William J. McClatchie (better known by the pseodonym "Wotan"). McClatchie was also extensively involved in the public campaign to get Mailmasher shut down. Jeff's "post mortem" expose' on all this can be viewed at the following URL: http://calvo.teleco.ulpgc.es/listas/cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com/HTML-1997… While it's perhaps not the kind of evidence, being circumstancial in nature, that you'd take to court, it could certainly useful in trying to anticipate and avoid potential future attacks. Of the parties involved in the conflict(s) that led up to the remailer attacks, Burnore/DataBasix was the only one who had a motive to attack the remailers. Gary's alternative theory on who was responsible, Ron Guilmette, is much less plausible. Gary, for example, has consistently displayed a very bigoted attitude towards those who choose to utilize anonymity to maintain their privacy. He would often refer to anonymous posters as "anonymous assholes", "cowards", "hiding behind the skirts of a remailer", etc. Let's take that first phrase -- "anonymous assholes". If a person were to be arguing with a black man, and called him an "asshole", that would be somewhat acceptable. But if he called him a "black asshole" or a "ni**er asshole", he would be revealing his innate bigotry and you'd rightly call him a RACIST, implying that a member of that race had no right to express a dissenting opinion. The same applies when an ad hominem attack targets a poster's anonymity. IMO, that makes him an anti-privacy bigot. While he's now tried to clean up his act by claiming that "remailers have their place", he's on record as saying that they shouldn't be used for "abuse" and he's defined anonymous criticism as "abuse". Going back to the racism analogy, that statement is equivalent to the old line "Me? A racist? Why some of my best friends are ______". Also, Gary Burnore expressed the repeated desire that anonymous posts that were critical of him were designed to "stir up trouble" and represented "abuse" that the remailers should have blocked. If the remailer operators wouldn't censor the criticism in the MESSAGEs, then killing the MESSENGER (the remailers) would accomplish the same thing. Belinda Bryan and Billy McClatchie, two other DataBasix staff members, issued even more scathing attacks on the posters' choice of anonymity, and against the remailer. Upon occasion, they both referred to the remailer as the "No Balls Remailer" and implied that the poster had "tiny testicles". Although Belinda and Billy's comments were cloaked with a "no archive" header, and Gary Burnore has recently requested that his posts be removed from the DejaNews archives, the essence of their comments can still be followed via the portions of their posts which were quoted by others in posts that remain archived. > > That's even more evidence that the real target of the spam baiter(s) was the > > remailers themselves. Why else would you "attack" people, then anonymously > > warn them of what you'd done? Perhaps that's why the spam baiting reportedly > > was directed not only at the DataBasix gang, but also at their detractors, > > such as Ron Guilmette, Scott Dentice, etc. > > That the primary target of the spam-baiting campaign was the remailer net > (one at a time), I have little doubt. Which leaves two alternatives: either one of the participants in the Gary Burnore/Ron Guilmette/Netcom flame war was responsible, or the timing was merely coincidental. > > > (There was another set of letters going around claiming to > > > be pro-remailer, but I was always skeptical that that was the true > > > intention.) > > > > Sounds like a classic, "F.U.D." disinformation campaign like another > > anti-privacy bunch, the Co$, would engage in. What better way to discredit > > remailers that to, for example, send out anonymous messages saying "Preserve > > your rights -- defend remailers!" and making it look like the message came > > from a member of the KKK, or NAMBLA, or some other unpopular group. > > Yes, and that's how it appeared to me, as well. In fact, I really would > doubt any other possible scenario, mainly because much of the spam-baiting > was done to IP addresses (same people, different hosts), so IP addresses > were basically outlawed (if you have an IP address, you've got to have a > FQDN, right?). That and people were apparently being sent many copies of > the "warning" (to the same address). Also, the tone of the letter seemed > counter to what it was supposedly intended to accomplish, i.e., "there's > nothing you can do about it, so stop whining". OTOH, I did make a public > request for whoever it was doing it to stop, and they did seem to stop > rather shortly after that, though spam-baiting continued. Yes, the multiple copy thing was quite "ingenious", in an anti-remailer sort of way. They could either be viewed as a "friendly" warning about "abuse" involving the remailers, or they could be viewed as abusive themselves. But since they, like the spam bait, were also sent through the remailers, the remailer net was the visible target either way! Several things didn't add up about the whole "spam baiting" thing. While Burnore claimed that he and other DataBasix users were the primary targets of the spam bait, their addresses seemed to comprise only a small percentage of the e-mail addresses I saw "baited". My own test indicated that inclusion of an e-mail address in the body of a Usenet post was ineffective in attracting UCE. And one of the most visible opponents of spam baiting, Peter Bell, said pretty much the same thing. He was apparently one of the original "spam bait" targets, and would publish daily "reports" on which addresses were being baited. When the technique suddenly switched from individual messages with addresses in the headers to the format where lists of addresses were instead in the BODY of the message, he concluded, based on his observations, that the new technique was ineffective and announced that he was discontinuing his daily reports. Despite this fact, the DataBasix folks continued to claim that they were being inundated with e-mailed spam due to the ongoing spam baiting. Of course, since the new technique involved e-mail addresses in the BODY of the post, their suggested "solution" was to filter anonymous posts that contained any mention of the e-mail addresses of DataBasix staff members. Since such blockage was what they'd wanted all along, this new form of spam baiting provided the ideal excuse for demanding that Usenet posts that contained any reference to them be blocked. Jeff Burchell's post indicated that he originally acceded to this demand, but later admitted that it was ill-advised and he discontinued it.

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(No Subject)
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I wonder if the courts would buy a "retroactive abortion" defense in the case of the death of an oppressive official? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQCVAwUBNHG4oEvLUvnE+cP3AQGHoQP9E9W4gShKGXEBvCZgbVLyiD1AbB7uErtJ pdqUCnOWTmysiQ5rQWkGoOP5+3ixflCxe2eiaopeW2Jm9JaaqxjrMCAUW+H2zmVV ExzF6/14vE00cpLLDvSrW7wEF0sPPUc+TOGyLqUqfIkQ+cQKr9eEFBjFBX10BjsG wCS0lJPXzl8= =KH8i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 mQCNAzO0qFMAAAEEAMHp02cHHX0pjk3huDxKZ1za/PH+KVy6IAeDD7fcK3SCiNsT DqwqZsDzKQhEbVpmrxOoZKeY7RDOfEDk5EUVw/Ve4GbSOK9cdm4MohT2Poy5CnIZ POgFcVnnUu3MK6nKuAc6S4jZazv++JfXwyc+Fr5e6Izjt5D7/0vLUvnE+cP3AAUR tA1BbnRpQ01PUy5BIDw+iQCVAwUQM7SoU0vLUvnE+cP3AQFAgQQArEo32yaSNSgg zBgMvT+iQMSjf8uAIqkqDIFA8SvdSiXjvgPnsGSDwGQqC1wFZfFb55t0o6FFv3c/ zyU6U1EXGNTr1h6/6TC/l0aMyWpbjKj5+rF/KWlbpizkmMMHoioHX+hQAcUEuTfC GBk+haGPw7xfH/fsqF6xSnvhcrZRj8k= =+eSI -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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mailing list archive
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My hard disk now contains an archive of all the messages (I hope...there are 90k of them) posted on cypherpunks, since the beginning. It's CD-ROM sized; I'm building a glimpse index of them right now and will put them up on the web (tentatively somewhere on http://sof.mit.edu/) soon. I'll also be happy to copy them onto particular media (tape, cd, etc.) if I have access to the drive, for cost + a meager amount to make it worth the effort. I think getting list archives distributed to as many people as possible would be a good thing -- hopefully a recursive auction market will start and people will leave me alone after a while. I'm doing this because there isn't a decent searchable index anywhere that I've found, and it would be a nice thing to have, and I don't think the time is too far off when people will try to eliminate the list. I've been using the archive of cpunks as my test data set in writing Eternity DDS -- I thought it was vaguely poetic, in a way.

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e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 12:07:49 -0500 > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > Subject: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? > In the study of American theological history, the period when Mormonism was > invented is called the Great Awakening. Um, I believe that went from the late 1500's to the early 1700's at best. Ol' Joe Smith lived in the early and late 1800's nearly a hundred years after the traditional Great Awakening. Is your claim that there was a second Great Awakending or are you saying the traditional (if you will) dating is incorrect? > that Vlad Dracul, the Impaler, was Transylvanian Actualy, to be accurate his name was Vlad Teppish. He was eventualy killed by his lord for carrying on excesses such as killing a woman because she let her husband walk around with a tattered coat. Dracul and Dracula are derived from dragon and imply a connection with the devil (which also derives its own existance from this lexical tree). > Of opinion, influence, and reputation, opinion is the most atomic. An opinion > can be safely defined as a judgement, right or wrong, based on some accepted, > or maybe just perceived, set of facts. Doesn't the use of 'perceived' imply some a priori assumptions about the base structure of reality and in fact imply a more atomistic issue, that of conceptual viability? How does an opinion become atomistic if in order to express it we must invoke other equaly critical (or atomistic) expressions? Further, without testing a 'perceived' fact is nothing but an opinion. > word about whether Socrates said the words himself. Opinion can be completely > dissociated from identity. An anonymous post on a mailing list can have an > opinion, and people can agree or disagree with that opinion as they see fit. That doesn't change the fact that the opinion, anonymous or not, originated from a single source. While I can accept that testable facts can be isolated from source biases it escapes me how an opinion can be so isolated. At its lowest level it is nothing more than a description of an individuals beliefs about reality and their place in it and clearly has impact on the sorts of ideas that are expressible in them. Perhaps opinion & fact are unwittingly being confused. Opinions tell the observer about the holder of the opinion, not the subject the opinion is direct toward. > can't *prove* our opinions are right. The definition of modern human thinking, > is, however, that at the core of it all, someone, somewhere, is using science > - -- which is all about verifiable and replicable physical results -- to > validate, and occasionally create, the set of opinions most of us would now > call knowlege. So, science or no, our thinking is still functionally, > heuristics, but it works. Oh, well. Life is hard. :-). Science is about how to ask questions, it is NOT concerned with the results directly. Science is a non-intuitive mechanism whereby we can regulate how we think about the world around us. What to do with the results is engineering. Science itself is heuristic. > I think the nice thing about science in the geodesic age, by the way, is that > the technology of microcomputers and networks makes it easier for more people > to be closer to scientific truth. There is no 'scientific truth', THE main axiom of science is that everything is open to review and change in responce to the observation and description of the item under studies interactions with the environment around it. > So, what's influence? On a personal basis, influence occurs when someone else > agrees with your opinions. Only if they changed their opinions *because* of the expression of your opinions. Otherwise we are left with independant discovery. Influence is the ability of one theory to cause the holder of another theory to add data or tests that could potentialy alter the outcome of that original theory. The results may or may not support either of the original theories or could even cause a 3rd theory to be born. > The more people agree with your opinions, the more > influence you have. The more people agree with your opinions AND are willing to act on them is a measure of influence. Also, the fact that others may in fact be motivated to act because they *disagree* with you also is clearly a possibility you don't address. Never confuse popularity with influence. > Back to our stack of planes, by no means does the "line" of someone's identity > have to be a straight one This runs counter to your assumption regarding the number of line-plane intersections. If the line is not geometricaly 'straight' it can in fact have zero, one, or more intersections. This causes a problem with this part of the conclusion, you are using the axiom as proof of the assertion (the axiom). ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: mailing list archive
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Doh -- I thought my dataset included everything, but it instead just covers every article I can think of between: > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 22:53:39 BST > From: whitaker(a)eternity.demon.co.uk (Russell E. Whitaker) > Reply-To: whitaker(a)eternity.demon.co.uk > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Cc: whitaker(a)eternity.demon.co.uk and the present. I'm also feeling tempted to incorporate the archives of some of the offshoot mailing lists, like coderpunks, etc. Does anyone know of a good source for the messages before that one? How many were there, approximately? If there are a bunch of them and you can merge them with mine, I'll be happy to send you a cd of the result. If enough people want to buy CDs of the data, I'll set up an order page, establish pricing, etc. Right now, for me to make a CD requires buying media and doing it at the media lab, unless I buy a drive, so the cost is somewhat dependent upon how many people are interested. If someone wants to use corporate or government money to overpay for a cd so I can buy a cd-r writer and make it cheaper for everyone else, I'll think fondly of whatever organization you represent :) Utterly ignoring the copyright issues in the interest of getting wide dispersal, especially since it's unlikely anyone cares since no one will get rich selling cypherpunks cd-roms, Ryan (the last time I wished for something in parenthetical postscript it worked. Wish granting service, will you please make the people of the world clueful enough to replace governmental/military force with cryptography? Or convince one of my professors that they should sign a blank thesis?) -- Ryan Lackey rdl(a)mit.edu http://mit.edu/rdl/

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Re: technical issues of the list
by Ryan Lackey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > (There is, by the way, a project simmering along to put the 5 years of > Cypherpunks traffic on a Web site...) I have everything but the first 8 months or so of traffic in the process of going up on the web soon. (Stupid deadline appeared which put this off for a few hours). If the first 8 months were in someplace I could find them, then there would be a nice complete archive no longer simmering, but up on the web, ready for people to mirror. Dr. Dobbs' Journal sells a Cryptography CD-ROM with AC v 2, etc. on it for $99, and combined with a Cypherpunks CD-ROM containing list archives of cypherpunks, coderpunks, cryptography(a)c2.org, and maybe some other stuff for $50 or so, there would be 2-cd solution. I'm pretty sure all 5 years fit on one cd-rom -- I've been using 4 years as an eternity dds dataset, along with some other stuff, and I think it is less than 500mb, although one of the problems with my current eternity file system under linux is that there is no way of telling how big a directory is (yay VFS kludges). -- Ryan Lackey rdl(a)mit.edu http://mit.edu/rdl/

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"Pauline, The Hanson Phenomenon" by Helen Dodd
by Global Web Builders 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PLEASE NOTE: No unsolicited email is sent. If you do not want to be on the mailing list please say "REMOVE" in the subject line and return this message in the body. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Special Newsletter No 1.5a Dear Pauline Hanson One Nation Supporters in NSW, The 250 page authorised biography of Pauline Hanson (with pictures), "Pauline, the Hanson Phenomenon" by Helen Dodd will be launched this Friday. The book will make an excellent Christmas present. The background on the book can be seen (together with a printable order form) at: http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/onenation/book.html If you order the book by fax by midnight Thursday night (20th November) you will get a copy in the mail signed by Pauline Hanson at Friday's launch. Fax your order to: (07) 3201 0961 Alternatively, if you wish, you may send your credit card and other details (as per the on-line form) to the author by email at: camint(a)geocities.com (signing timeline as per fax) If you are paying by cheque, please make your cheques payable to: CYBER ADVERTISING AND MARKETING. ------------ Book costs: The soft covered book sells for Au$24.95 (including postage). The limited edition numbered hard copy edition (only 150) sells for Au$70.00. (Please note nearly half of these hard copy editions have been sold already). Any orders received after midnight Thursday night WILL NOT BE SIGNED AT THE LAUNCH because of administrative restrictions..... so get your order in now! GWB Scott Balson

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Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Paul Hoffman / IMC <phoffman(a)imc.org> At 09:45 AM 11/18/97 -0500, Internet-Drafts(a)ietf.org wrote: >A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >This draft is a work item of the An Open Specification for Pretty Good Privacy Working Group of the IETF. > > Title : OP Formats - OpenPGP Message Format > Author(s) : R. Thayer, J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, H. Finney > Filename : draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt > Pages : 40 > Date : 17-Nov-97 > This is also available as <http://www.imc.org/draft-ietf-openpgp-formats>. As the draft gets revised in the future, this URL will always point to the latest version. --Paul Hoffman, Director --Internet Mail Consortium Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Synergy between IE4 bug and Intel flaw
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

RISKS DIGEST 19.46 http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/19.46.html has several articles on the Pentium F00FC7C8 bug. Apparently there are workarounds for it, but there's also the article below. (Also, Microsoft has supposedly issued a fix for the IE4 bug, but fat chance on everybody deploying it quickly enough.) ----------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:27:05 -0700 (MST) From: Jonathan Levine <jonathan(a)canuck.com> Subject: Synergy between IE4 bug and Intel flaw By now I'm sure you've heard about this delightful synergy: > ------- Forwarded Message > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 06:53:45 -0500 > From: "Per Hammer" <phammer(a)raleigh.ibm.com> > Subject: New IE4 security hole exploited ... > > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/8429.html > > The deal is, if your use a 'RES://' URL that us longer than 256 characters, > byte 257 onwards will be executed as machine code. Now ... think ... > F0 0F C7 C8 > > Which is only slightly less malicious than deleting any files ... > > Per Hammer phammer(a)raleigh.ibm.com

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Re: Overcoming War by Making Friends
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous <nobody(a)replay.com> wrote: >Monty Cantsin writes: > >> What the Net and cypherpunkly tools create is a world in which there >> are not easily identified disjoint sets because any particular net of >> relationships that a person has tends to overlap the relationship nets >> of other people who have a dissimilar set of relationships. >> >> This is a more reliable and robust world to live in because there is a >> great deal of redundancy. That is, the elites of two countries cannot >> conspire to use their respective sets of serfs as cannon fodder in >> some ill advised adventure. It's hard to get excited about a war run >> by people who are not your friends against people who happen to live >> in another part of the world but with whom you have a relationship. > >Good point, but it's important to realize that these new attitudes >are only available to people who have access to the tools. Much of >the world is still trapped in a dark age, without access to the light >brought by tools for communication. Powerful interests seek to keep >them that way. Until that changes, the old mindset of >us-against-them will continue to be a threat to peace. True. However, to the extent that we and our friends do not participate, there will be that much less war. Even if we fail to end all wars, even the prevention of a single war (or the shortening of one war!) will be worth the effort. "War is not healthy for children and other living things." I've mentioned the newspaper "The Aurora" which was active during the Adams administration. A strong argument can be made that this one newspaper prevented a war with France and the introduction of Monarchy into the United States. Considering the relatively small number of people involved with this list, the prevention of one war would be a fantastic achievement. Consider the benefit that the prevention of World War I would have brought the world. Millions of people would not have died before their time. Millions of other people would not have lead lives after the war of dejection and sorrow either due to their own direct involvement in the war or that of their friends and relatives. Communism would probably not have arisen sparing the lives of millions. World War II would probably not have occurred again sparing the lives of millions. The development of germ warfare, chemical warfare, and nuclear warfare would have proceeded far more slowly. We would be living in a far wealthier and more peaceful world. >We as cypherpunks must be leaders in encouraging wider access to >communications and the tools which manage information. It's not >right to target our message narrowly to the militias and racists who >gravitate towards anti-government causes. We must be inclusive, >offering encouragement to other cultures, other races, other >countries. Anti-Japanese, anti-Jewish, anti-Black, anti-Arab >sentiments will only hinder our success, and likewise with our >emphasis on violence, killing, and death as solutions to problems. Here I am afraid we disagree. The world has too many damned leaders! I also believe that it is a better practice to explore ideas that are interesting and discuss them honestly rather than to attempt to sweeten the ideas for consumption by large numbers of people. The people who are receptive to our ideas will understand. Those who are not will become slaves. As for being inclusive to foreigners, it's a pretty inclusive list. After all, anybody in the world who can operate majordomo is allowed to participate! You can't do much better than that. It's my guess that most current readers of the list don't especially care where people come from or even their exact ideological alignment, so long as they have interesting things to say. Finally, your perception that there is an "emphasis on violence, killing, and death" is not accurate. What is the cypherpunk body count? Last I checked it was zero. Out of the thousands of people who have been on the list, can you think of a single act of violence perpetrated by a list member? The only ones I know about happened in wars sponsored by the U.S. government before the list was even formed. >The fact that other cultures are often repressive in their own right >is no excuse. The tools we offer will help them become more >open-minded and inclusive. But we must set an example ourselves. It >is a tragedy that the message of hate is being propagated within a >technological movement which should foster openness and >enlightenment. We can do better than this. Maybe it would be best if you set an example in setting an example for the rest of us to follow. ;-) My sense of your article, feel free to correct me if I am wrong, is that you see the Cypherpunks as a more or less cohesive group with a coherent agenda and a face to present to the outside world. I prefer to look at it as a mailing list to which anybody in the world may subscribe. I am certainly not responsible for other people's work on it, for better or for worse. And, I believe we will get more done if I, for one example, think for myself about the most useful thing my time could be spent doing. If 100 cypherpunks choose one leader and follow his instructions will we really accomplish more than if 100 cypherpunks think imaginatively and creatively about what they themselves will do? I doubt it. Besides which, leaders are choke points. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHIOEpaWtjSmRH/5AQHKKgf+KTswuyd3m/tfS/qqg+yAijVavC6KjLs7 XMuAtqA1WrjhWjr+ZG762/QUUyGjFC5RH+fWn7d0EL3Bde+sKrnEWzYijfgof4/j gbbSKEPvm9orrLOHy7sExHMUeqhCTorqizgNuR2tsDOGAdLtgwuotSk7GhjHRIS9 4wrSWydw1/w5aW7uL/EMXUoffzNvojA+ODfmoCCbvOVkYYk5s51rRUh7WLqlVx9c AKvGNsiKCG9rqCaqxcNLuy1wTptaHxGrDKEgU+XanbIUcVSj4sOTvlP91N++4MiK rRRJGI/v9kbgD8lsumcHg6i/VP1tdemC4lRfbtBDqZoLNIZ0SmgZdg== =5+a7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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OUCH!
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My ass hurts.

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Re: Invasive interface
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: Eric Paulos <paulos(a)cs.berkeley.edu> To: wearables List <wearables(a)media.mit.edu> Subject: Re: Invasive interface Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 15:28:02 -0800 On a somewhat related issue Eduardo Kac from the Chicago Art Institute last week sucessfully implanted a microchip under his skin. This is much more of a "dumb" chip as it simply can report back an ID number when queried and doesn't really have any sensing or processing. However, it is notable because it was done by a non-medical individual on his own accord and at least shows that implants are becoming a more accessable to the common person. Now only what to do about that heatsink... More info here: http://www.dialdata.com.br/casadasrosas/net-art/kac/ -Eric Paulos AO> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:49:57 -0500 (EST) From: Lee Campbell AO> <elwin(a)media.mit.edu> Subject: Re: beyond wearable >> My wife's uncle just got a pacemaker. It's a new design; it >> listens to his heart, runs signal processing algorithms, and >> decides if his occasional arrhythmia is present; if so it takes >> over control of his heart muscles; the rest of the time it sits >> idle and lets his heart be controlled naturally. .... TRUNCATED MESSAGE --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 To: IETF-Announce(a)ietf.org Cc: ietf-open-pgp(a)imc.org From: Internet-Drafts(a)ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts(a)ietf.org Subject: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 09:45:05 -0500 Sender: owner-ietf-open-pgp(a)imc.org Precedence: bulk A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the An Open Specification for Pretty Good Privacy Working Group of the IETF. Title : OP Formats - OpenPGP Message Format Author(s) : R. Thayer, J. Callas, L. Donnerhacke, H. Finney Filename : draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt Pages : 40 Date : 17-Nov-97 This document is maintained in order to publish all necessary information needed to develop interoperable applications based on the OP format. It is not a step-by-step cookbook for writing an application, it describes only the format and methods needed to read, check, generate and write conforming packets crossing any network. It does not deal with storing and implementation questions albeit it is necessary to avoid security flaws. OP (Open-PGP) software uses a combination of strong public-key and conventional cryptography to provide security services for electronic communications and data storage. These services include confidentiality, key management, authentication and digital signatures. This document specifies the message formats used in OP. Internet-Drafts are available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt". A URL for the Internet-Draft is: ftp://ds.internic.net/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt Internet-Drafts directories are located at: Africa: ftp.is.co.za Europe: ftp.nordu.net ftp.nis.garr.it Pacific Rim: munnari.oz.au US East Coast: ds.internic.net US West Coast: ftp.isi.edu Internet-Drafts are also available by mail. Send a message to: mailserv(a)ds.internic.net. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ds.internic.net can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <19971117171828.I-D(a)ietf.org> [This attachment must be fetched by mail. Open the stationery below and send the resulting message to get the attachment.] Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt"; site="ds.internic.net"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" [This attachment must be fetched by ftp. Open the document below to ask your ftp client to fetch it.] Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <19971117171828.I-D(a)ietf.org> --- end forwarded text %Get_I-D_ACTION-draft-ietf-openp Get_I-D_ACTION-draft-ietf-openp draft-ietf-openpgp-formats-00.txt ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Factor a 2048-bit number
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "I know it is wet And the sun is not sunny. But we can have Lots of good fun that is funny!" This number is the product of two large primes: 26033143779667200325575872888095239079246638261715251025882778261061527750754689886186634470393458067971467246298195626814707422649006575326598789422416672513841540101436913518354325965591664197141268653142721096667415953906554803574814020439328026212412992491918134617881658357074747456933861654849832810755452195562122302074169491126905810585763470157682833868925415992684292240723488274475606146938817977205079259576892680373975171532967403598743810959007294946286128925732513282841571521786211052543209061869205522822739184472518973988412241386534914204118049999553410479040950698778437046093623423391818191485363 Yet, I believe that an enterprising individual will be able to factor it. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHIVmpaWtjSmRH/5AQFqQQf/UmHeMd3ZFf0m4FV5mIhuQE5bpyphaPaY D9NNcBcBWcq/8tacFPJ4RDAy6VH0mZCqZT8Nr6je2KiMbCWXB565N8oa2dExetk1 sGB+28sNbY025RhC6MAZOAMiAWf9P8OBqTQzpF1QR2GImxRPzvvpsgSNLzlSiEee 1EiLF049BWQqZvNq7M33lK3C21D3tctB3J3u5oLD+3Gqi8Z54ECreU6fBAh54dZf GOdvVvCXwMd7+etz2S0zNCFxidSOc/8Dpoj70CPd8tUN2MzMd74eipz0Su7lxtlo E5cC76+KZQY4rd1KlyAqfypxFpBEZwZ3i2HOeT/XhCWC8HtaRx/jaw== =Q7FZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Fairy Gold
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: >Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. >Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew. I do not believe this to be true. Of course, concepts are valid regardless of their source. It would be unwise to take the statements even of established identities on faith. The advantage of persistent identity is that it allows the exploration of more complicated ideas. Use of the persistent identity places a particular post in a greater context. There is only so much that can be done in a single post. It is the mailing list equivalent of a sound bite. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHIGJJaWtjSmRH/5AQEjKQf+MpQ1c+5AgYYynh9bLJi0cmk7Q1+kWdH5 qPbLwvqlnq4LfIjOv9zgcmtjjfu3JL5UVSeUB6W0LDO0t0fwAEvm5SfeLWDAyC62 BfVf+pcNXV15nnkB8j3g9czUdLc5cn+0kYr42VK7G24t4aQyDZo8Je3KkvhWkRKN EUkZBCOMsTbBZClA7Q1DXMJyn4leTjdINm7XR9WobuiWPb1BrUmOSv+Jq1smUtcX QzrY1fRQAVCgO3oBbmE5SG2Hs7ycQ66o3krujzhv2W6KZDlfdXg7jO7Ia62opQ/W cAsWgbZ6bI+FWAcCXUqsvFwL+fCp/cSFcMjn/dgw2ssEAw46TRcn8g== =+mae -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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