December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

[Fwd: [cpe:4980] Factoring a 2048 bit key]
by Electronic Forgery Foundation 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mr. Hettinga, The Electronic Forgery Foundation's legal counsel informs us that, as hypocrites, we have a right to sue you for elevation of character for forging posts in our name (even if we did it ourselves when we were drunk and later forgot about it). If our legal counsel confirms this opinion once she sobers up, you can expect to hear from us upon her graduation from law school. (She is currently in Grade Six, so there is no rush for you to consult your own attorney on this matter.) Insincerely, Jess Fission Robert Hettinga Alternate Persona Appointee, Electronic Forgery Foundation Subject: [cpe:4980] Factoring a 2048 bit key From: Robert Hettinga <eff(a)dev.null> Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 15:01:50 -0600 Delivered-To: mailing list cypherpunks-e(a)htp.org Mailing-List: contact cypherpunks-e-help(a)htp.org; run by ezmlm Organization: "Electronic Forgery Foundation" References: <4a1a277e757631dec78e33b98a7bdfcb(a)anon.efga.org> Reply-To: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Reply-To: eff(a)dev.null Sender: cypherpunks-e-owner(a)htp.org Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Anonymous wrote: > > I factored a 2048 bit key and all I got was > Jerry Springers' "Too Hot for Television" > videocassette and this bumber sticker, > "I Brake For Illegal Immigrants" I factored it and got: > "I want to kill judges." > > - Tim May Go figure...

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What REALLY happened to Flight 800...
by Brian W. Buchanan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Algebra.com is down, so I'm resending this through cyberpass. Gotta love distributed mailing lists. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 21:50:36 -0800 (PST) From: "Brian W. Buchanan" <brian(a)smarter.than.nu> To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Subject: What REALLY happened to Flight 800... >From comp.risks: | An article `Windows added to cockpit choices' in Flight International, 5-11 | November 1997, p 25, explains that the US company Avidyne has certificated | an avionics system based on Windows NT. The hardware supplier is Electronic | Designs, who has recently received approval from the FAA (approval for what | is not specified). Avidyne is apparently working on Level-C approval, which | will allow use of its moving-map display for IFR navigation. One of the | benefits is said to be the wide range of interfaces available to other | devices. "Good afternoon, Microsoft technical support." "This is TWA Flight 800. Our avionics system just shit itself! Something about a segmentation violation in the hydrolics interface driver!" "Hmm. Did you try rebooting it?" "Yes, several times! Losing attitude control!" "Hmm. This may require a reinstall of the operating system then. Please hold for a moment while I connect you to one of our reinstallation support technicians." "No! Wait! The center fuel tank's thermostat control dialog is full of random garbage now! *SCREAM* *BOOM*" ... And in today's news, despite a leaked report from the NTSB that it was not "digital sabotage," but a critical bug in Microsoft Windows NT for Avionics that was responsible for the crash of TWA Flight 800, President Clinton has asked Congress to introduce legislation that would enable the FBI to monitor so-called computer hackers more carefully through digital wiretaps and mandatory key escrow, to "save the children from the info-terrorists on the other side of the Bridge to the Twenty-First Century." Microsoft is not commenting at this time, but a source within the company has informed us that a fix for the "center fuel tank bug" will be included in NT for Avionics Service Pack 4, to be released in the first quarter of 1998. -- Brian Buchanan brian(a)smarter.than.nu "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. I'm from the government, and I'm here to help you." No security through obscurity! Demand full source code! 4.4BSD for the masses - http://www.freebsd.org

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HAYEKWEB: M Friedman Interview on Hayek & The Road to Serfdom
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:17:30 -0500 Reply-To: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> Sender: Hayek Related Research <HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU> From: Greg Ransom <Gregransom(a)AOL.COM> Subject: HAYEKWEB: M Friedman Interview on Hayek & The Road to Serfdom To: HAYEK-L(a)MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU >> Hayek on the Web << C-SPAN 'Booknotes' Interview with Milton Friedman on Friedrich Hayek and his _The Road to Serfdom_. On the Web at: http://www.c-span.org/mmedia/booknote/lambbook/transcripts/50060.htm Excerpt: "Booknotes Transcript Author: Milton Friedman Title: Introduction to F. A. Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom" Air date: November 20, 1994 BRIAN LAMB: Dr. Milton Friedman, why did you choose or why did they ask you to write the introduction to the F. A. Hayek "Road to Freedom" 50th anniversary ... MILTON FRIEDMAN: ""Road to Serfdom"." LAMB: Yes, that's your title on your book. Why did you do it? FRIEDMAN: The reason they asked me was very clear, because Hayek and I had been associated for a very long time, in particular in an organization called the Montbelleron Society that he founded. The charter meeting was in 1947 in Switzerland. Hans Morgenthau, who was a professor at the University of Chicago when I was there, a political scientist, when I came back from the meeting, he asked me where I had been, and I told him that I had been to a meeting that had been called by Hayek to try to bring together the believers in a free, open society and enable them to have some interchange, one with another. He said, "Oh, a meeting of the veterans of the wars of the 19th century!" I thought that was a wonderful description of the Montpelleron Society. Well, Hayek and I worked together in the Montpelleron Society and we were fostering essentially the same set of ideas. His "Road to Serfdom" book, the one you have there, which was published 50 years ago, was really an amazing event when it came out. It's very hard to remember now what the attitude was in 1944-45. Throughout the Western world, the movement was toward centralization, planning, government control. That movement had started already before World War II. It started really with the Fabian Society back in the late 19th century -- George Bernard Shaw, the Webbs and so on. But the war itself and the fact that in war you do have to have an enormous amount of government control greatly strengthened the idea that after the war what you needed was to have a rational, planned, organized, centralized society and that you had to get rid of the wastes of competition. That was the atmosphere. Those of us who didn't agree believed in what we would call a liberal society, a free society -- 19th century liberalism. There were quite a number of us in the United States and in Britain, but in the rest of the world they were very isolated, indeed. Hayek's idea was to bring them together and enable them to get comfort and encouragement from one another without having to look around to see who was trying to stab them in the back, which was the situation in their home countries. LAMB: The New York Times put on the Op-Ed page your introduction to this edition. Do you know why they did that? What got their attention? FRIEDMAN: I can't answer that. You'd have to ask the people at the New York Times. On the whole, they have in the past not been very favorable to these ideas -- quite the contrary -- but they've been changing. About two or three years ago, they published -- they've turned down many an Op-Ed piece from me, which I subsequently published in the Wall Street Journal or somewhere else. But a couple of years ago, they did publish an Op-Ed piece from me about the situation after the fall of the Berlin Wall, in which my thesis was a very simple one. Everybody agrees, as a result of the experience in the West, that socialism has been a failure. Everybody agrees that capitalism has been a success, that wherever you have had an improvement in the conditions of the ordinary people over any lengthy time, it's been in a capitalist society, and yet everybody is extending socialism. After the fall of the Berlin Wall, there were no summits in Washington about how we cut down government. The lesson from the fall of the Berlin Wall was that we have too extensive a government and we ought to cut it down. Everybody agrees, but yet wherever you go, we have to extend socialism. The summit in Washington was about how you enable government to get more revenue in order for government to be more important, which is exactly the opposite. So socialism guides our behavior in strict contrast to what we believe to be the facts of the world. LAMB: Let me ask you a little bit more about Friedrich Hayek. Who was he? FRIEDMAN: Fritz Hayek was an economist. He was born in Vienna. He started his professional career in Vienna. In the late 1920s, some people in Britain at the London School of Economics were very greatly impressed with the book he had written and with the work he had done, and they invited him to come to the London School. At a relatively young age, he became a professor at the London School of Economics. He spent the 30s and most of the 40s there. Early in the 1950s, he left London and came to the University of Chicago where he was a professor for about 10 years, and then he went back to Germany. He essentially retired to the University of Freiberg in Germany. LAMB: How long has he been dead? FRIEDMAN: He's been dead about two years now, I think. He lived to be 90, and he has an enormous list of books and articles and so on he has published. The "Road to Serfdom," the one we're showing here, was a sort of manifesto and a call to arms to prevent the accumulation of a totalitarian state. One of the interesting things about that book is whom it's dedicated to. It's dedicated "to the socialists of all parties," because the thesis of the book is that socialism is paving the way toward totalitarianism and that Socialist Russia, at the time, is not different from Nazi Germany. Indeed, it was National Socialism -- that's where "nazi" comes from. This was a kind of manifesto and had a very unexpected effect. It was turned down by several publishers in the United States before the University of Chicago published it, and both in Britain and the United States, it created something of a sensation. It was a best-seller. The Reader's Digest published a condensation of it and distributed 600,000 copies. You had a big argument raising about people who were damning it as reactionary against all the good things of the world and people who were praising it and showing what the real status was. It's a book well worth reading by anybody because there's a very subtle analysis of why it is that well-meaning people who intend only to improve the lot of their fellows tend to favor courses of action which have exactly the opposite effect. I think from my point of view the most interesting chapter in that book is one labeled "Why the Worst Get on Top." It's, in a way, another example of the famous statement of Lord Acton that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."" Hayek on the Web is a regular feature of the Hayek-L list. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

William H. Geiger III, well known Nativist (if not Native) American, writes: > In <199711192035.VAA20768(a)basement.replay.com>, on 11/19/97 > at 09:35 PM, Anonymous <nobody(a)REPLAY.COM> said: > > >Actually, many studies have found that immigrants, legal and illegal, > >make a net positive contribution to the economy, even considering their > >access to government services. > > Yes and 4 out of 5 doctors in an independent study prefer Buffren. Would > you care to back this up with some actual facts. >From the Cato Institute, a well known libertarian think tank, http://www.cato.org/dailys/4-22-97.html: > Myth number four: Immigrants impose a financial burden on > taxpayers. Immigrants do make somewhat heavier use of means-tested welfare > programs than natives. There have been especially flagrant abuses by > immigrants of particular welfare programs, such as Supplemental Security > Income. But because immigrants tend to come to the United States during > the start of their working years --between the ages of 18 and 35 -- > they make very large net contributions to the two largest income transfer > programs: Social Security and Medicare. When the payroll tax contributions > of immigrants are taken into account, the Urban Institute found that the > foreign born constitute a net fiscal windfall to the public sector of > some $20 billion a year. To the extent that welfare use by immigrants is > a problem, this can be addressed by restricting the welfare eligibility > of immigrants, not by keeping immigrants out. More details can be found by searching for "immigration" on www.cato.org.

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Re: Alternative Apology
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

igor said: >I am sorry for the recent interruption of the cypherpunks mailing list. >The dog ate my computer. Then Joichi Ito ate my dog. > >Igor Igor, Japanese dont eat dog, that is the Koreans and Vietnamese. doormouse

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Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced
by ichudov＠Algebra.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

reuters Florida State News Reuters 20-NOV-97 (TAMPA) -- Federal marshals and local deputies have shut down three Tampa area ``pirate'' radio stations, silencing unlicensed sources of rock music and far-right ideology. Authorities carted off broadcast and studio equipment from all three stations and dismantled a rooftop antenna that stood over one broadcaster's home. One of the stations was operated by 53-year-old Arthur Kobres, who is named in a 14- count indictment alleging violations of national broadcasting laws. Authorities say Kobres used his equipment to broadcast anti-government messages. Also silenced was ``Tampa's Party Pirate,'' a 100-watt F-M station run by Doug Brewer. A third operator who was shut down... 22-year-old Kelly Benjamin... was also arrested for possession of marijuana.

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The 4th Great Awakening
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Read "Speed" by William Burroughs.

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The Subliminal Algebra-Seinfield Conspiracy
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is it a mere coincidence that algebra.com went down and proceeded to send out all received messages in reverse order on the _same_day_ that the Seinfield TV show featured a reverse-order-plot show? Picking up a little corporate spare-change, Igor? JerryMonger

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by roddaenterprises＠email.msn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greg Broiles wrote: > > At 10:16 PM 11/21/97 -0500, John Young wrote: > >Jim Bell was scheduled to be sentenced today at 9:30 AM. > >[...] > >Perhaps one of our legal subscribers could comment on what's > >going on with these repeated delays in sentencing, especially > >whether it's common to do so after a plea agreement is reached. > It strikes me as peculiar/unusual Everything about Bell's case has been peculiar/unusual. - posts sent to the cypherpunks list _before_ the bust quoting news reports which were dated the following day. - thinly veiled threatening messages directed to Bell/cypherpunks posted to the list mere hours before the bust. - follow-up posts and threatening private emails regarding Bell's case sent to the list and individual cypherpunks from the treasury email system. - two prominent lawyers having their calls to Bell's legal aide attorney after expressing an interest to help in his case. - the 'usual suspects' advising list members to 'be afraid,' to 'chill out,' shut up and lay low. [...] > I'm starting to favor the explanation which suggests that Jim will be > testifying at the trial(s) or before grand juries in other matters - and > that his sentencing is postponed to ensure his cooperation, and that the > defense isn't squealing about the successive postponements because that's > seen as more favorable than receiving a sentence of many, many months in > the event of noncooperation. The events follow a classic pattern as described above. > I'm reluctant to finger anyone as a "snitch" > without knowing more - and this is all speculation - but something looks > funny about what's happening thus far. (It's also possible that he's > physically/mentally incapacitated such that he's not able to participate in > his sentencing, which would explain why the court would be postponing on > its own initiative, and why the defense isn't opposing the continuance.) Incapacitation does not result in an information blackout surrounding the dispensation of the case and a stonewalling of all attempts at contact the defendant. You can bet your sweet ass that Bell's volatile mental stability was not lost on his captors, who would undoubtedly realize that it would not take a great deal of prodding with the proper medications to put him in the same frame of mind that allows police social workers to convince small children that the mayor and the chief of police have molested them in satanic rituals involving circus animals. My guess is that he is currently ratting out each and every one of us for imaginary crimes in return for LEA promises that Comet Hale-Bop has been recalled in order to pick him up. Be alarmed. Be very all-armed! Loch N. Lode

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good work
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bob, Tim. You guys are doing great. i think that the enemy is confused into thinking that we are feckless juveniles who are at each other's throats and are posing no real threat. excellent. this should give us those precious few extra weeks needed to complete Plan A. also: perhaps you two should get together and re-work your contingency confessions. wouldn't want some of your accusations against one another to accidentally be true! (use Bob's "Toto" nym. be careful not to accidentally Cc: the cypherpunks list!) white team leader -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv Comment: x iQCVAwUBNHa/HRiDTlaqCaKdAQG4rgP9FdcSg3qneEb0N2LWH7QvL/bh3Jp4pyjf N2hEdpj1Og6SztZVwUyeJD+RbmYuKWzrByB3KpPVnSk99ZjftwhLOy+t+AZEGbtu dBlhUxdR/6OjqKD3tqXTWDc3kI4gnqX5bxA2G+MLvQUsXhQr+wwDpfvLxxxstbWu w6nQ9wiEhMQ= =og1a -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [cpe:5043] Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 00:26:07 -0600 > From: TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> > Subject: Re: [cpe:5043] Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced > Authorities say Choates used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. It's 'Choate'. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:12:17 -0600 (CST) > From: ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) > Florida State News > > Reuters > 20-NOV-97 > > (TAMPA) -- Federal marshals and local deputies have shut down > three Tampa area ``pirate'' radio stations, silencing unlicensed > sources of rock music and far-right ideology. Authorities carted Anyone know of a pirate broadcast station where CDR traffic could be re-broadcast? Filter the days traffic and use speech-synth to make it compatible. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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A Challenge to the Violent and Depraved / Re: [cpe:5035] Violence and Depravity (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:18:52 -0600 > From: TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> > Subject: A Challenge to the Violent and Depraved / Re: [cpe:5035] Violence and Depravity > A Challenge: If every naysayer/conspiracy theorist whose diatribes > I have read (a small percentage of the total number) would kick > in a couple of bucks, then there would be funds available to > build a truck-bomb corresponding to the alleged OKC bomb, and > to recreate the alleged crime with an abandoned building that > can be found to provide a similar physical target. > We're talking about a few grand, here. Put up or shut up. Anyone > who cares to take on the challenge can cover that on T-shirt > sales alone. > If the re-enactment shows the truck bomb to have been a provably > false scenario, it would be interesting to see a second display > with BATF actors putting explosive charges in the middle of the > building. (And then we can crash a Mercedes into the underground > concrete pillars in Paris, to guage the results.) Black Rock, Nevada would be a perfect place for the test. Many of the high-performance and experimental rocketry groups I am involved in test their birds there. 10 miles in pretty much any direction of nothing... Also, why not simply begin to systematicaly approach each source of materials and ask for donations for a single run test. I am shure there are suppliers out there who would be sympathetic. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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NEW TRAVEL INFO -- Worldwide Caution (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From owner-travel-advisories(a)stolaf.edu Sat Nov 22 03:18:55 1997 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:46:22 -0500 From: owner-travel-advisories <owner-travel-advisories(a)stolaf.edu> Subject: NEW TRAVEL INFO -- Worldwide Caution Sender: Wally Doerge <76702.1202(a)compuserve.com> To: travel-advisories(a)stolaf.edu Message-ID: <199711191249_MC2-28C9-9FC6(a)compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Worldwide Caution ============================================================ Worldwide Caution - Public Announcement November 19, 1997 U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE Office of the Spokesman In light of events unfolding throughout the world, U.S. citizens traveling or residing abroad are advised to exercise greater than usual caution. Recently there have been numerous incidents and developments that have the cumulative potential of impacting the security of U.S. citizens, businesses and military interests abroad, including the recent convictions of Mir Aimal Kasi and Ramzi Yousef, the murders of four businessmen in Karachi, Pakistan, the terrorist attack on tourists in Luxor, Egypt, and the general situation in the Middle East. While at this time we know of no specific threats to U.S. citizens or interests overseas in relation to the above incidents, we cannot discount the possibility of random acts of anti-American violence, such as drive-by shootings, kidnappings, or bombings. U.S. diplomatic posts worldwide are taking appropriate security precautions. U.S. citizens planning to travel abroad should consult the Department of State's country-specific Public Announcements, Travel Warnings, Consular Information Sheets and regional travel brochures, and refer to the Department's advisories on security awareness overseas. American citizens residing or traveling abroad are encouraged to contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate for up-to-date information on security conditions. This Public Announcement expires December 18, 1997. ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- The "travel-advisories(a)stolaf.edu" mailing list is the official Internet and BITNET distribution point for the U.S. State Department Travel Warnings and Consular Information Sheets. To unsubscribe, send a message containing the word "unsubscribe" to: travel-advisories-request(a)stolaf.edu Archives of past "travel-advisories" postings are available at the URL: "http://www.stolaf.edu/network/travel-advisories.html" or via Gopher: gopher.stolaf.edu, Internet Resources/US-State-Department-Travel-Advisories

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Klaas Foundation 1998 Tour
by auto100＠ccusa.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// This message is intended to reach Auto Dealers & Auto Industry businesses only. If you are not an Auto related business and wish to be removed from any future contacts, please reply in the subject area only with the word "Remove" and this software will automatically block you from any future contact. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Attention: Owner - General Manager - Advertising Director The Klaas Foundation for Children Program "What a program! We bought the program and then put 5 sponsors together for the event. We own 7 radio stations and we have done many community projects. As you know, TV and Newspapers never support your efforts due to perceived competition. The Klaas Foundation program was the #1 story on TV and front page on the newspaper. Our sponsors were so impressed and more important, we fingerprinted 400 kids in 6 hours! Wayne Hardy Atlantic Star Radio Group Wheeling, WV "We are the #1 volume Chrysler dealer in Texas and #6 in the country. We are very selective about who we do business with. Mark Bott is a true professional and the Klaas Foundation program is now an every year event at our store. Our customers constantly mention the program. We are proud to be a Klaas Foundation national sponsor! Amy Bowman Grubbs Mid-Cities Dallas, TX "We had over 2800 people in our showroom on Saturday. We fingerprinted over 800 kids and in the midst of this, we sold 35 cars! Mark Bott and Marc Klaas are extremely effective in the promotion of this program and I have re-booked and sent my checks for the 1998 tour." Darren Kirkland Koon's World Ford Hollywood, Florida "I was overwhelmed with the turnout and so proud of my employees and our community. Every one in Omaha thanks me and asks when Marc Klaas will be back. I have committed to do this again next year and Norwest Bank, my cosponsor, said they are in for sure! This program still has my employees high and has spawned huge community involvement on the part of our organization. I have sold many cars to the people that I met during this program and established community, law enforcement and legislative contacts that I would have never had." Gregg Young - Beardmore Chevrolet - Omaha, NE "I represent the Fulton Auto Dealers in Fulton, New York. As their advertising agency, we inspected, made calls, asked questions and brought up what ifs to Mr. Bott when he approached us on the Klaas Foundation program. We had over $400,000 in free press generated and our dealer group has re-book for 1998. We had 650 people at the Town Meeting and have recommended this program to all of our clients without hesitation." JudySchmidt Camilus,NY History During a slumber party in October of 1993, 12 year old Polly Hannah Klaas was abducted at knife-point from her Petaluma, California home. A mass distribution of over 2 billion images of Polly was sent worldwide. She had soon become a symbol of love and lost innocence. The world froze one cold evening in December when the media reported that Polly, "America's Child," the beautiful girl with the warm brown eyes shown smiling in home videos for millions of TV viewers, was not found alive. The country was outraged. The public cried out for change in legislation and pro-action in crime prevention. "Polly was faced with a choice few people ever have to make," said her father, Marc Klaas. "By putting herself in mortal danger to protect her family and friends, Polly has become my greatest teacher." Marc Klaas immediately dove into a campaign to put children higher on the national priority list. With no prior media, political or public speaking experience, he immediately became savvy in affecting pro-active legislation, and sought to advocate children's issues and speak out on crime prevention. The Purpose A 7 day march through your state to affect State and Federal legislation on the following issues. Raising children to the #1 priority in this country. Keeping dangerous people behind bars. Making background checks mandatory for anyone that has unsupervised access to children. ( Teachers, Coaches, Day care workers and any others that work directly with our children.) Become a tour sponsor and join us for this March Across America with Marc Klaas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For additional information to become a sponsor, please contact: Mr. Mark J. Bott, National Program Director Phone 217-529-4174 - Fax 217-529-4172 47 Auto Dealers and an assortment of other retail businesses hosted this program in 1997, so there are many references. If you are interested in bringing Mr. Klaas and the power of this program to your community, please contact us today.

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Get Your Mailbox Stuffed with CASH for the Holidays!
by noreply＠noreply.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I Never Thought I'd Be the One Telling You This... I Actually Read a Piece of E-Mail, And Now I'm Going to Europe for the Holidays! Hello! My name is Karen Liddell; I'm a 35-year-old mom, wife, and part-time accountant. As a rule, I delete all unsolicited "junk" e-mail and use my account primarily for business. I received what I assumed was this same e-mail countless times and deleted it each time. About two months ago I received it again and, because of the catchy subject line, I finally read it. Afterwards, I thought , "OK, I give in, I'm going to try this. I can certainly afford to invest $20 and, on the other hand, there's nothing wrong with creating a little excess cash." I promptly mailed four $5 bills and, after receiving the reports, paid a friend of mine a small fee to send out some e-mail advertisements for me. After reading the reports, I also learned how easy it is to bulk e-mail for free! I was not prepared for the results. Everyday for the last six weeks, my P.O. box has been overflowing with $5 bills; many days the excess fills up an extra mail bin and I've had to upgrade to the corporate-size box! I am stunne d by all the cash that keeps rolling in! My husband and I have been saving for several years to make a substantial downpayment on a house. Now, not only are we purchasing a house with 40% down, we're going to Venice, Italy for the holidays to celebrate! I promise you, if you follow the directions in this e-mail and be prepared to eventually set aside about an hour each day to follow up (and count your money!), you will make at least as much money as we did. You don't need to be a wiz at the computer, but I'll bet you already are. If you can open an envelope, remove the money, and send an e-mail message, then you're on your way to the bank. Take the time to read this so you'll understand how easy it is. If I can do this, so can you! GO FOR IT NOW! .........Karen Liddell The following is a copy of the e-mail I read: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ This is a LEGAL, LOW-COST, MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. PRINT this letter, read the directions, THEN GET STARTED TODAY! You are about to embark on the most profitable and unique program you may ever see. Many times over, it has demonstrated and proven its ability to generate large amounts of cash. This program is showing fantastic appeal with a huge and ever-growing on-line population desirous of additional income. This is a legitimate, LEGAL, money-making opportunity. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house, except to get the mail and go to the bank! This truly is that lucky break you've been waiting for! Simply follow the easy instructions in this letter, and your financial dreams will come true! When followed correctly, this electronic, multi-level marketing program works perfectly... 100% OF THE TIME! Thousands of people have used this program to: - Raise capital to start their own business - Pay off debts - Buy homes, cars, etc., - Even retire! This is your chance, so read on and get started today! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- OVERVIEW OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY ELECTRONIC MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING PROGRAM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Basically, this is what we do: We send thousands of people a product for $5.00 that costs next to nothing to produce and e-mail. As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the U.S. allows you to recruit new multi- level business online (via your computer). The products in this program are a series of four business and financial reports costing $5.00 each. Each order you receive via "snail mail" will include: * $5.00 cash * The name and number of the report they are ordering * The e-mail address where you will e-mail them the report they ordered. To fill each order, you simply e-mail the product to the buyer. THAT'S IT! T he $5.00 is yours! This is the EASIEST electronic multi-level marketing business anywhere! FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE LETTER AND BE PREPARED TO REAP THE STAGGERING BENEFITS! ******* I N S T R U C T I O N S ******* This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the four reports. You will need all four reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the four reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. ( I talked to a friend last month who has also done this program. He said he had tried "playing" with it to change the results. Bad idea.... he never got as much money as he did with the un-altered version. Remember, it's a proven method! a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the four reports, take this advertisement and remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their 50 grand! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion of this letter. 4. Now you're ready to start an advertising campaign on the INTERNET! Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Another avenue which you could use for advertising is e-mail lists. You can buy these lists for under $20/2,000 addresses or you can pay someone a minimal charge to take care of it for you. BE SURE TO START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN IMMEDIATELY! 5. For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper - On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: _______________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: TML P.O Box 383 Pacifica, Ca 94044 ______________________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: NDZ & Co. P.O Box 7277 Atlanta, Ga 30357-0277 _______________________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: FML P.O. Box 927603 San Diego, CA 92192-0603 _______________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Marico 2350 Spring Road #30-194 Smyrna, Ga 30080 _______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------ Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 1st level--your 10 members with $5............................................$50 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100).....................$500 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)............$5,000 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000)...$50,000 THIS TOTALS -----------$55,550 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20). You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE! REPORT#3 shows you the most productive methods for bulk e-mailing and purchasing e-mail lists. Some list & bulk e-mail vendors even work on trade! About 50,000 new people get online every month! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report to comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received." * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL be SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, continue advertising until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS My name is Frank. My wife, Doris, and I live in Bel-Air, MD. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Doris about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Doris totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Doris in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Frank T., Bel-Air, MD I just want to pass along my best wishes and encouragement to you. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. I even checked with the U.S. Post Office to verify that the plan was legal. It definitely is! IT WORKS!!! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Sincerely yours, Phillip A. Brown, Esq. Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S. the people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program...11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! D. Wilburn, Muncie, IN This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS

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Jealously Guarded Secrets Revealed.....
by 76311928＠24496.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Increase your income dramatically + gain invaluable knowledge with this cutting edge information. Take control of your life! Do you want to ride?Or do you want to drive???? go to: http://members.tripod.com/~cana2/ See you there!

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A Challenge to the Violent and Depraved
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of explosives will tell you > that two tons of ammonium nitrate, sixty feet from the base > of a tall, reinforced concrete and steel building, will not do > very much more than break lots of windows. You see, ammonium > nitrate is a low velocity explosive compound useful for moving > dirt. A brissance, or shattering effect, on steel and/or > reinforced concrete requires an explosive compound with much > greater explosive velocity.... C-4, several types of commercial > blasting gelatin, even TNT. Speed may be important for efficiency, but don't discount brute force. A sufficiently powerful bulldozer moving at .1 mph could knock down those exposed support columns out front. Likewise a sufficiently strong ammonium nitrate blast can do it. Once the columns fall, the whole front of the building will collapse. Columns like this are built to withstand compressive force from above. Strength against side impact is not the principle design goal. > If you observed the news footage of the Murray Federal Building > after the blast, you may have noticed that the damage was > configured in a semi-cylindrical fashion, rather than the conic > section which would have resulted from a ground placed charge of > sufficient strength. A semi-cylinder IS a conic section. What you may have meant is that the blast should have carved out a spherical section of the building. But of course, once the lower floors are destroyed, the upper floors collapse. So a roughly cylindrical section is exactly what you would expect. > Consider that the placement of the array of charges necessary to > simultaneously shatter several dozen large bearing members in the > building would have required several hours for a well trained > demolition team, not to mention unlimited access to the building > after hours. And you're saying the government did this, when nobody was looking. > Seismographs recorded TWO impacts that day, several minutes apart. This is total bullshit. This fact alone shows that the poster hasn't done his research. Besides, it doesn't make sense. What was supposed to be the purpose of the two blasts? What was supposed to be happening during the "several minutes" between the two blasts? Wouldn't you think people would get out of the building after the first blast? Why didn't any of the survivors report two blasts? What this is, is a garbling of a report of a nearby seismometer showing two ground waves a few SECONDS apart. This can be explained by the building taking a few seconds to collapse. It could be a seismological artifact as well, an echo from a deeper rock stratum. You'd need to get an expert seismologist to analyze the trace. A real expert, not the bogus "explosives expert" who supposedly wrote this. > 6) McVeigh pulled an Oswald. Quit crediting him with success. The idea that McVeigh is intentionally taking the fall for this is a real reach. First, where is his reward? He's going to spend the rest of his life in prison. What is his motivation for not talking, and for getting involved in this in the first place? Also, much testimony has established that McVeigh was deeply affected by the Waco killings, as were many of us. Such a person would not have wanted to cooperate with the government. You have to assume that he was just pretending to be upset by Waco, that this conspiracy goes back for years. Now you've got Nichols involved, and he has to be convinced not to reveal the truth, either. Fortier was involved in the planning, as was his wife. It's a totally unmanageable situation. At least with the Oswald story, they killed the guy who could have spilled the beans. With McVeigh, he or his buddies could talk at any time. It's all speculation built upon improbability. Anybody who believes this stuff is an idiot.

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RE: CIA - Some Questions
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Cypherpunks, In response to your upcoming questions, I have prepared the following materials: > Does the Central Intelligence Agency engage in assassinations? No. Executive Order No. 12333 explicitly prohibits the Central Intelligence Agency from engaging, either directly or indirectly, in assassinations. Interna oversight process assure compliance. > Does the Central Intelligence Agency engage in drug trafficking? No. In fact, the Central Intelligence Agency assists the US Government effort t providing intelligence information to the Drug Enforcement Administration, the the State Department. Regards, J Smith (Esq).

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Re: I have something to say.
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody(a)nsm.htp.org wrote: > On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:28:02 GMT gburnore+spam(a)netcom.com (Gary L. > Burnore) wrote: > > >On 15 Nov 1997 04:21:40 -0800, rfg(a)monkeys.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) wrote: > > > >: In article <64ajuv$r9(a)newspeer2.dearborn.agis.net>, > >: Harold <harold(a)agis.net> wrote: > >: >I am taking back the statement I made. Not everyone here is pathetic. > >: > >: Gee! That's mighty white of you. > > > >Again with the bigoted, racist remarks, eh? > > > Poor sorry asshole netscum Gary L. Burnore, <gburnore@databasix> <gburnore(a)netcom.com>. > Just can't get over making substantially less money than Ron. > Why the hell don't you layoff Guilmette and get a fucking life for yourself. > Haven't you done enough damage to him and anonymous remailers you fucking piece of shit. > > <cue netscum gburnore lame response> Yeah, but poor Ron doesn't have a criminal arrest record like Gary does, despite Gary Burnore's unproven accusations, "big lie" campaign, crank calls to the FBI, etc. Gary's charges get more and more fanciful. Did you read the one where he accused Ron of abusing some "teenage girl" at DataBasix. Not a shred of evidence for his lies, of course. Fortunately for him, Netcom harbors net abusers and Gary had to suddenly leave California for North Carolina after his arrest in San Francisco. And there's his faithful sidekick, Belinda Bryan <eridani(a)ix.netcom.com>, who's now posting with this forged line in her headers: > Organization: Boycott E-Scrub Technologies. The owner is an admitted spambaiter. This is the same looney maroon netcop who whined when somebody started posting a URL from the AIDS Action League advocating a boycott of Gary Burnore's ex-employer, Wells Fargo Bank in San Francisco. And then Gary has the nerve to call someone "racist" and "bigoted"? These two net abusers richly deserve their NetScum pages: http://www.spambusters.dyn.ml.org/www.netscum.net/burnorg0.html http://www.spambusters.dyn.ml.org/www.netscum.net/bryanb0.html --

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Re: A Challenge to the Violent and Depraved
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To buttress suggestions for simulating the OKC bombing, here's an SAIC press release of August 1997 on a training program for disaster handling: SAIC AND TEEX TO PROVIDE ANTI-TERRORISM TRAINING TO FIRST RESPONDERS (MCLEAN, VA) Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC) has signed an agreement with the Texas Engineering Extension Service (TEEX) to prepare civilian emergency responders for possible terrorist events. Under the agreement, SAIC and its teaming partners will provide training to firefighters and other first response personnel in the latest technologies for addressing chemical and biological terrorism. As the leader of the team, TEEX will hold training classes at Texas A&M University's Emergency Response Training Field at College Station, Texas, where firefighters and rescue workers will train in virtual reality simulators on the effects of chemical and biological weapons. TEEX, which is a member of the Texas A&M University System, annually provides training to 129,000 individuals and last year provided fire, rescue and hazardous materials training nationally and internationally to more than 28,000 responders. "The United States has been fortunate in that it has not had a successful terrorist attack perpetrated against it using biological or chemical agents," said G. Kemble Bennett, TEEX's CEO who oversees the 120-acre Brayton Fire Training Field. "However, experts agree that it is only a matter of time." "As a leader in chemical and biological warfare agent accident, response and assistance training for military and civilian emergency response agencies, SAIC can offer expert guidance to responders," said William L. Chadsey, senior vice president at SAIC. "Our company has provided emergency planning and consultative services to personnel and public service organizations worldwide." In September, U.S. Representative Curt Weldon (R-Pa.) is expected to introduce a bill in Congress to designate the training field at Texas A&M and its facilities as The National Training Center for Urban Search and Rescue. The new center is expected to feature building collapse simulators and a facility dubbed "Disaster City" to prepare responders to handle earthquakes and bombings in addition to chemical and biological agents. If approved, Rep. Weldon¹s bill also is likely to facilitate the release of information from Bechtel Nevada at the Nevada Test Site about the handling of nuclear materials. Speaking at the signing ceremony, Fire Chief Gary Marrs of Oklahoma City, Okla., said, "The first responders in our communities, and specifically our firefighters, are tasked to respond and make a difference when disasters occur. Until the training and equipment, utilizing the latest in technology, get down to the street level, we put our responders at an extreme disadvantage and endanger their lives. I am encouraged to see these types of cooperative efforts make this training and technology available to the men and women of the fire service who protect our cities daily." Marrs, who managed the fire and rescue mission at the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, chairs the Urban Search and Rescue Committee for the International Association of Fire Chiefs located in Fairfax, Va. http://www.saic.com/publications/news/aug97/news08-06-97.html

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Pepper Sprays/ Personal Security Products
by ascan8506＠msn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: The Subliminal Algebra-Seinfield Conspiracy
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri confessed: >Above Tom's restaurant, on 112th and Broadway. I worked for 7 years upstairs >from that restaurant in a very secret organization. I'm socked they even >show that building on TV. :-) You bet, that secret org is well-known among CU pick-up artists as a swell place to pick up socks ... well, more than that and sudden death's your next shock.

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House panel puts Clinton's private fax online
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.rollcall.com/newsscoops/leadscoop.html House Panel Puts Clinton's Private Fax on the Internet By Ed Henry and Jennifer Bradley President Clinton's private fax number was placed on the Internet by the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee for a brief time Tuesday in a breach that has infuriated White House officials. The number for the fax machine that sits right outside the Oval Office was provided to Government Reform and Oversight investigators by former Clinton political consultant Dick Morris, during an August deposition, on the condition that it be kept private. But the fax number, which Clinton uses for secure communications with old friends and people he meets during trips around the nation, was left in the deposition made public Tuesday on the Internet. "I can say on the President's behalf that he's disappointed that the committee didn't respect the confidentiality of his number," White House spokesman Mike McCurry said in an interview. "This is very troubling to the White House." After being contacted by Roll Call with the President's private number on Tuesday evening, McCurry did some checking and called back within a few minutes to declare, "Unfortunately it's a match." McCurry complained that the White House will now have to change the number and try to track down all of the disparate people who use the number. "This basically has the potential to ruin a device the President has used as a real good sounding board," he said. McCurry suggested this was an example of Government Reform and Oversight Chairman Dan Burton's (R-Ind) recklessness. [...]

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Junior Jim Bells in Training
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Two more future cypherpunks added to the list of people who will someday "McVeigh" Washington, DC. I'm surprised sending a flame to one of our elected leadership's public email addresses is not already a death penalty offense. ----- CORDOVA, Tenn. (AP) -- Two 13-year-old boys are charged with sending a threatening e-mail message over the Internet to Hillary Rodham Clinton. Contents of the electronic mail message to the president's wife haven't been released, but U.S. Secret Service agents are expected to outline them during a hearing Monday in Juvenile Court. The youngsters, whose names have not been released, are charged with threatening and harassing Mrs. Clinton. They could face a fine, counseling, community service or detention. Officials say it's unlikely that the president's wife read the message, which was sent last month. Anyone with a computer, modem and an Internet service provider can access the White House Web Page and Mrs. Clinton's E-mail address. Her page includes photos, a biography, speeches and instructions on sending an electronic message. ``The Internet is a wonderful tool that not only enables you to better access information about the White House, but also gives us an opportunity to hear your ideas and better serve you,'' Mrs. Clinton says in the welcoming text of her Web page. Senders must include a name, address and other information about why they're writing. All senders receive an electronic message acknowledging receipt of the e-mail. It was not clear whether the boys included their own names and addresses, but authorities say tracing e-mail is relatively easy. ``We aggressively investigate any threats or incidents of unusual interest toward any of our protectees,'' said Steven Rutledge, special agent in charge of the Secret Service in this area. Cordova is about 15 miles east of Memphis. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Re: The Subliminal Algebra-Seinfield Conspiracy
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:45 AM 11/22/97 EST, you wrote: > >TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> writes: > >> Is it a mere coincidence that algebra.com went down and proceeded to >> send out all received messages in reverse order on the _same_day_ >> that the Seinfield TV show featured a reverse-order-plot show? > >I don't watch much TV, especially comedies. However I accidentally saw a >bit of "Seinfield" the other day and was surprise to note that they picture >Tom's restaurant, on 112th and Broadway. I worked for 7 years upstairs >from that restaurant in a very secret organization. I'm socked they even >show that building on TV. :-) > >--- > >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps > > Is Dimitri a cossack? a cossock?, a cocksock?, or just a cocksucker? Typos the bane of understanding on the net.

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Re: Tampa Pirate Radio Stations Silenced
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TruthMonger wrote: > Authorities say Kobres used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say Kobres used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say CypherPunks used their equipment to broadcast > anti-government messages. > Authorities say CypherPunks used their equipment to broadcast > anti-government messages. > Authorities say Chudov used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say Choates used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say Cottrel used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say Young used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say blanc used her equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say amp used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say Schear used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say Burnes used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say Ito used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say Vulis used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say Wienke used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > Authorities say Galt used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. > ... > Authorities say Kobres used his equipment to broadcast anti-government > messages. Computer for sale. Cheap!

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10.5
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

nobody since Nixon was been impeached for violating his oath of office by subverting the Constitution. This suggests either that everyone honors the oath or that the oath is meaningless. Suppose, in a society with a normal level of criminal behavior, there were no prosecutions for burglary. Would you infer that there were no burglaries in that society? Or would you infer, rather, that the burglary laws just weren't being enforced? When a bill is proposed in Congress, our representatives almost never ask themselves: "Where in the Constitution do we get the power to enact this measure?" Instead they presume that they have virtually any power they choose to exercise. They simply feel no tension between their will and the Constitution that is supposed to restrain them. This doesn't look much like an ethos of limited government.

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10th
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Professor George P. Fletcher of the Columbia Law School notes "Not only is [McVeigh's philosophy] in line with the conceptions held by many of the nation's founders," Mr. Fletcher writes in The New Republic, "but it lives on today in the works of an influential minority of legal scholars and advocates." Mr. Fletcher thinks the problem is that we have abandoned "the original Constitution" and adopted "a new Constitution" without facing the historical discontinuity this involves. In his words, "we do not teach this historical rupture -- not in our grade schools, not in our law schools. We are all good lawyers and therefore, like Lincoln, we pretend that the second Constitution is simply the natural continuation of the founding document." The first Constitution limited the federal government to external relations between the states, leaving alone such internal matters as slavery. The second Constitution, instituted by the Civil War, gave the federal government new powers to intervene within the states through the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments The 10th Amendment, reserving to the states and the people all powers not "delegated" to the federal government, was not repealed or even modified. So Congress' exercise of any power not granted is still a usurpation, even under the "new" Constitution.

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Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > At 11:03 PM -0700 11/21/97, Greg Broiles wrote: > >I'm starting to favor the explanation which suggests that Jim will be > >testifying at the trial(s) or before grand juries in other matters - and > >that his sentencing is postponed to ensure his cooperation, and that the > >defense isn't squealing about the successive postponements because that's > >seen as more favorable than receiving a sentence of many, many months in > >the event of noncooperation. I'm reluctant to finger anyone as a "snitch" > I expect an arrest of several of us, on typically trumped-up RICO-type > charges. Mere speech has become criminalized, through vague, speculative, > conspiracy charges. Unreliable sources indicate that the authorities are waiting for a Canadian citizen to make a previously postponed trip across the American border before closing the net. Do your Christmas shopping early! A. Fiend ^r

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10.75 - NWO
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's really a secondary matter whether the centralization of power is the result of a conscious collusion aimed at creating a world government. Conspiracies are real, and conspiratorial behavior is inseparable from politics, since politics is largely the pursuit of power by sneaky people. I don't think Abraham Lincoln intended to destroy the independence of the states when he conducted the Civil War. He merely wanted to save the Union, and he thought in terms of that immediate goal. But it doesn't matter what he meant to do. As a practical matter, his policy set the United States on a course of centralization. The Union victory meant that no state could ever secede again, regardless of how tyrannical the Union might become. That removed an essential restraint on Union -- alias "federal" -- power. I doubt that Franklin Roosevelt meant to destroy all remaining constitutional restraints on the government; he merely knocked them out of his way when necessary. In the same way, today's globalists and interventionists, forever pursuing international treaties and alliances, may think they are promoting peace and prosperity, seeing no tyrannical potential in a "new world order." But the rest of us have to worry about what these arrangements may mean for us and our children down the road. Good intentions are beside the point. What is the actual tendency of these new contracts among superstates?

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[Fwd: [cpj:265] COS] [cpj:265] COS
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

doormouse said: >igor said: > >>I am sorry for the recent interruption of the cypherpunks mailing list. >>The dog ate my computer. Then Joichi Ito ate my dog. >> >>Igor > >Igor, Japanese dont eat dog, that is the Koreans and Vietnamese. > >doormouse Perhaps they picked up the taste while they were occupying those countries in their Fascist efforts for conquest. DogMonger

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Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/22/97 12:00 PM, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM (dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com) passed this wisdom: >[1] Interesting enough, anyone in the U.S. who expressed the >opinion in the 1930's that there's a famine going on in Russia, or >that the public confessions made at the show trials might be >questionable, was branded a fascist by the new York Times crowd and >was likely to lose his job. If I remember correctly about ten-twelve years or so ago it was revealed thah the NY Times reporter who won a Pulitizer prize for his coverage of the 'famine' was exposed as having not only been aware of what was going on but wa actively involved in promoting the deception and his award was revoked (not that it mattered much fifty years later) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNHdCncdZgC62U/gIEQJIHgCfXYknNpEmLUyGkZk0/hsDOQtGVgMAnAiw xmeSWqQOdcPtGiGt4Y2aMSsd =UX27 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Saying windows 95 is equal to Macintosh is like finding a potato that looks like Jesus and believing you've seen the Second Coming." -- Guy Kawasaki (MacWorld, Nov '95)

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Clinton Sells Arlington Burials (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Clinton Sells Arlington Burials > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Sat, 22 Nov 97 17:31:17 EST > Having zero respect for the military and all that goes with it, I fail > to see what the big deal is. You moron, it has *NOTHING* to do with the military. IT HAS to do with citizens who died in the service of their country. The not so surprising fact is that the vast majority of those eligible are soldiers. The cemetary recognizes their INDIVIDUAL sacrifice and NOT anything to do with the US Government per se. Selling burial plots at Arlington should involve impeachment. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed Again
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >The several-times delayed sentencing, with no protests from Bell's >court-appointed lawyer, tells me the Feds are trying to get some final >details lined up. Several other possibilities have circulated: 1. Jim's still ill, physically, as indicated by the docket's listing of a doctor's visit, or psychosomatically, due to the strain of indefinite incarceration and pressures of interrogation. 2. Jim is not fully cooperating, say, refusing to name others or provide evidence about his own activities or those of others. 3. Jim's behaving erratically, sometimes cooperative, sometimes defiant. 4. Jim's drawing out cooperation, negotiating for a better deal, perhaps with his attorney's advice to do so. 5. Jim is faking it, convincingly, sending the feds off on wild goose chases, working with confederates on preplanned ruses. 6. Jim is not what he appears to be, never was, and nobody gets what he's up to. The current Jim just another ploy, AP a lure. 7. Finally, no disrespect intended -- first time jail is one shitty experience, with nightmares of lonely long time sentence worse than most of us will ever know -- Jim freaks on sentencing day, shits himself, collapses, can't face what's coming, and the court mercifully delays the day reckoning. Still, there's a slim chance he's enjoying himself in Seattle or DC, working an IRS Fortier-ruse on us.

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Survey: Police Satisfaction [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > SURVEY SHOWS AMERICAN'S COMFORT WITH POLICE > > police contact November 22, 1997 > Web posted at: 7:01 p.m. EST (0001 GMT) > > WASHINGTON (AP) -- A new Justice Department survey examining the way > the public interacts with police has found that one in five > Americans makes some kind of contact with law enforcement officers > each year mostly to report a crime, ask for help or offer > assistance. > > The study, released Saturday, also found that less than 1 percent of > people who made contact with police said officers used or threatened > to use physical force. If force was used, most respondents said, > their actions may have provoked it. > > The survey reveals nothing surprising, criminal justice experts > said. They said it shows that Americans are turning to police in > situations beyond emergencies. > > "I think to many people, the one in five number seems high. But it > does emphasize the varied role police have as peace officers as > opposed to just responding to crimes," said James Alan Fox, dean of > the College of Criminal Justice at Boston's Northeastern University. > "Most of the work police do is not necessarily respond to crimes." > > However, some feel the survey fails to address factors important to > relationships police have with citizens. police directions > > "It probably doesn't really speak to the strained relations between > the police and minority communities in America," said Arthur > Lurigio, chairman of the Criminal Justice Department at Loyola > University in Chicago. > > The first-of-its-kind study was culled from data in the annual > National Criminal Victimization Survey conducted by the Bureau of > Justice Statistics. > > According to the report, one-third of the contacts between the > police and the public was related to seeking help or offering > assistance. Another third was to report a crime, either as a witness > or victim. Slightly less than one-third of respondents said the > police had initiated the contact. > > White males and people in their 20s were the most likely to have > face-to-face contact, the survey found. Hispanics and blacks were > about 70 percent as likely as whites to have interacted with the > police. > > The study was based on a survey of 6,421 people, age 12 and older, > and used a sample of residents chosen to represent an entire > population. No margin of error was given.

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Re: Clinton Sells Arlington Burials (fwd)
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate chided Dimitri: >You moron, it has *NOTHING* to do with the military. IT HAS to do with >citizens who died in the service of their country. The not so surprising >fact is that the vast majority of those eligible are soldiers. The cemetary >recognizes their INDIVIDUAL sacrifice and NOT anything to do with the US >Government per se. Selling burial plots at Arlington should involve >impeachment. I agree with Jim's acknowledement of citizen sacrifice. However, Arlington, like all military cemetaries, is maintained by DoD for its own purposes beyond recognition of the citizen-soldier. You bet it sells plots to sell plots. Some citizen-soliders, I'm one, wish to have no association with military monuments due to inside knowledge of what the military and its advocates are up to. Better to be buried unmarked in potter's field than near the grotesque themepark of The Unknown Soldier and its strutting guards. I wonder if any of the dead, if they had a say, would wish to be used for that purpose, or if its only the families and patriotic hustlers who have a stake in prettifying the horrible truth: that giving one's life, a leg, an arm, a belief in valor and sacrifice, for a treacherous, militaristic nation and economy is a nasty deal, no matter how it's monumentalized with zillions of white headstones arrayed in sylvan vales like gullible soldiers going to kill and die in bloody ignorance. Even morons grasp that these dishonorable plots are recruiting scams cooked up by the living up to no good. Excuse me for losing it, don't want a war over honor, some pissed vet to gore me with his pegleg badge of valor, some chickenshit reservist to earn a stripe.

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Re: [Fwd: [cpj:265] COS]
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > > >At 12:06 PM -0700 11/22/97, TruthMonger wrote: > > >>Have you heard of a Mac compatible OS called "COS" from Omega in East > > >>Germany? > I have a friend from Santa Fe who did some work with Omega and her > opinion was that their purpose in crypto OS development was aimed > toward using it as leverage for being bribed into compromising or > abandoning it in return for government/spook business. Check out the number of companies in the computer security business and closely related areas who have a board of directors composed of ex-spooks and ex-military brass. I can hardly wait for the Pretty Good Freeh-Dumb software to hit the market after the pictures of J. Edgar Hoover buttfucking young Louey are released. A Future Political Prisoner To Be Named Later

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

THE BAY OF CAMELS by Eric Margolis 25 August 1997 NEW YORK - The CIA's 50th anniversary last month turned out to be the Mother of All Bad Birthdays. The Agency was still reeling from the defection of senior agent Aldrich Ames, who betrayed over 100 agents and CIA's inner workings to Russian intelligence. Ames' monstrous treachery almost destroyed CIA's covert branch, and was comparable to the near fatal damage inflicted in the 1950's on Britain's Secret Intelligence Service by KGB agent, Kim Philby. Just when things couldn't seem to get worse for the beleaguered, demoralized Agency, details of the CIA's biggest, most costly operational fiasco since the 1961 Bay of Pigs disaster surfaced - right in time for its golden jubilee. Call it Clinton's Bay of Camels. This column has followed sporadic CIA attempts over the past six years to overthrow Saddam Hussein's regime. All failed dismally. But in 1995, bitter family squabbles seemed to have weakened Saddam's regime. Two son's-in-law embarrassingly defected to Jordan with highly sensitive military and political secrets. The army was supposedly restive. In mid-1995, President Clinton's new CIA Director, John Deutch, and his deputy, George Tenet, concluded Saddam was vulnerable. Clinton, eager for a foreign policy triumph, ordered CIA into high gear to overthrow or eliminate the vexatious Saddam. The Agency had long financed a motley,ineffective collection of Iraqi exile groups and Kurdish factions. This time, CIA focused its efforts on the Iraq National Accord(INA), a group of military and political exiles, many formerly part of Saddam's ruling circle. By putting them into power, CIA hoped to replicate Saddam's iron-fisted regime - but this time with one pro-American and minus Saddam. Most important, the CIA-installed generals were to ensure oil-rich Iraq stayed united, and did not splinter or fall under Iranian influence. CIA set INA up in Amman, Jordan. The US, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait provided funding. At Erbil, in the anarchic, US- created autonomous Kurdish zone in northern Iraq, CIA assembled and trained a small army of exiles and Kurds for the invasion of Iraq.. Agents of INA, paid by the US, embarked on a bombing and assassination campaign inside Iraq, that killed over 150 civilians. Terrorism is bad, it seems, when used against Americans or Israelis, but fine when used against Iraqis. By August, 1996, the invasion was ready. It was to begin by a CIA-organized assassination attempt against Saddam. CIA's army of Kurdish rebels and INA men would advance south from Erbil and drive on Baghdad, with massive air support from US warplanes and helicopter gunships. Other anti-Saddam groups would invade from Jordan and Kuwait. Saddam, as usual, knew all about this ham-handed operation from his spies inside INA and Kurdish groups. Souks across the Fertile Crescent buzzed with rumors of CIA's `secret' invasion. Saddam struck first - just before the invasion. He engineered a split between the two largest Kurdish rebel groups. As rival Kurds battled one another, Iraqi armor stormed Erbil, the main CIA base in northern Iraq. The CIA and its mini-army were totally surprised. Senior agents fled their base one jump ahead of Iraqi troops, abandoning quantities of top-secret documents, electronic equipment, and agent lists. Saddam's dreaded secret police rolled up all CIA's extensive networks in Kurdistan and Iraq, executing at least 350 American agents, Eighty senior Iraqi officers, poised to mount a coup against Saddam from Baghdad, were arrested and shot. The biggest. most expensive CIA field operation since the Bay of Pigs ended a bloody, expensive, humiliating, $200 million fiasco. Blame for this catastrophe must be shared by President Clinton, who ordered it, inept CIA Director Deutch, a rank newcomer to covert work, and CIA's bumbling senior bureaucrats. As usual, Clinton ducked the debacle and pretended he didn't know about it. Deutch was fired and replaced as Director by his deputy, Tenet. True to recent CIA tradition, other responsible senior field officers were promoted. Congress, which is supposed to oversee such major operations, has so far shrugged off the disaster. The fact that the US government was funding terrorist bombings in Baghdad - and Tehran - was ignored by Congress and much of the media. As were past attempts by US agents to assassinate Saddam Hussein, Libya's Col. Khadaffi, and Lebanese Shia leaders, though these acts were outright violations of American law. In the Mideast, it seems, all rules are suspended: The moral compass spins. The Iraqi debacle is yet more proof that the bloated, demoralized CIA needs massive, not just not just cosmetic surgery. One positive sign: recent appointment of the capable Jack Downing, former station chief in Moscow and Beijing, as chief of CIA's clandestine Operations branch. This is one posting the bureaucrats didn't get. Depressingly, the cost of the `bloodless' Gulf War `victory' keeps rising. Tens of thousands of American troops sickened by gas and germs. Over 100,000 Iraqi children dead from malnutrition caused by the American embargo of Iraq, and Saddam's stubbornness. The waste of $200 million plus and many lives on botched attempts to overthrow Saddam. Anarchy in Kurdistan. The undermining of Iraq's territorial integrity, with potentially explosive consequences for the entire region. After all this, Saddam still sits proudly on his throne,. quite rightly boasting of his great victory at Erbil against the Americans.

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Re: And your little dog, too
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:39 AM 11/23/1997 +0100, doormouse wrote Anonymously: >>Wasn't that a TOTO forgery, rather than igor himself? >I use Eudora, it doesn't show full headers, >when I suspect a forgery I need to save it to disk and >use a text editor to check full headers. >Have I missed an easy way to configure eudora to show full headers? Which Eudora version are you using? Eudora Light (and Pro, of course) have always let you see the headers, if you'll work your way through the Tools->Options menus. Under 3.x, the message reading window has a "Blah Blah Blah" button to let you turn display of headers on and off easily. I've configured my filters so that mail with obvious Toto headers in it gets the Subject: line flagged so I notice it faster. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: [Fwd: [cpj:265] COS]
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 11/22/97 10:39 PM, Tim May (tcmay(a)got.net) passed this wisdom: >At 12:06 PM -0700 11/22/97, TruthMonger wrote: >>Have you heard of a Mac compatible OS called "COS" from Omega in East >>Germany? >>I just found an article about it in Japanese Mac mag and that says Omega >>announced the OS 11/13 at German MacWorldExpo. [snip] >This past week's issue of "MacWeek" said that this COS has been "delayed," >with no new introduction date set. > >Searching the www.zdnet.com site may reveal this. Or searching on the >company name, of course. I have read a number of articles speculating that Omega COS may be vaporware. I went to their webapge which has some great sounding text hype and nothing else, no links, no ordering info, nada! Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Bacon and eggs: A days work for a chicken; a lifetime commitment for a pig"

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HERE IT IS!
by esoftware＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: [Fwd: [cpj:265] COS]
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brian B. Riley wrote: > > On 11/22/97 10:39 PM, Tim May (tcmay(a)got.net) passed this wisdom: > > >At 12:06 PM -0700 11/22/97, TruthMonger wrote: > >>Have you heard of a Mac compatible OS called "COS" from Omega in East > >>Germany? > > >This past week's issue of "MacWeek" said that this COS has been "delayed," > >with no new introduction date set. > > I have read a number of articles speculating that Omega COS may be > vaporware. I went to their webapge which has some great sounding text > hype and nothing else, no links, no ordering info, nada! I have a friend from Santa Fe who did some work with Omega and her opinion was that their purpose in crypto OS development was aimed toward using it as leverage for being bribed into compromising or abandoning it in return for government/spook business. Apparently, there are consultants in some of the former Eastern Bloc countries who specialize in negotiations between corporations and shadow agencies in order to find out the highest price they can sell out or capitulate for without making it worth the spooks time and effort to sabotage their project or whack them out. It seems that it can be quite profitable if you don't waste money foolishly on hiring programmers, engineers, etc. I have to go now and work on my "Lounge Suit Larry Nukes DC While Stripping Barbie Naked" program. It uses BAD IDEA encryption. A. Fiend ^r

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Digital signatures
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy May was born when his mother was on the toilet. o o /< >\ Timothy May \\\_______/// // \\

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Tough Love
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

sampler-request(a)lmboyd.com wrote: > ====================================================== > The Laws of the Twelve Tables in ancient Rome -- dating > from about 450 B.C. -- permitted a father to imprison his > children, chain them, whip them, sell them into slavery, > or kill them. Not just when they were young. Even after > they grew up. Even after they went into politics. Even > after they attained high office. Nowhere else in western > history has there been anything quite like that > patriarchal system. > ============================================== > > LMBoyd Web Site / U. S. Newspapers / Start Email / Stop Email > http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm

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