December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Taxing Churches for their views? Bad idea. (fwd)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brandon Crosby wrote: > While I do not want a debate over tax exemptions in churches, 'Free Speech' > may very well involve supporting canidates for positions in a democracy. > This is the very basis for elections. However, one begins to question this > reasoning when a church leader attempts to get into the government, using > the church's tax exemptions, for either support of the church, support of > self, or some illegal (or, at least, unethical) mix. The problem, as I see it, is that the laws regarding political donations and resulting political activity are different from the laws regarding church donations, thus leading to the Christian Right using the differences to bypassing the restrictions that are placed on organizations registered as political groups. If 'Joe's Whorehouse and Illegal Drug Emporium' were to engage in the same types of political activities that the 'We Wear Halos Church' did, they would be subject to arrest and imprisonment for a wide variety of violations of electoral law. Vote-Reality is that most politicians would no sooner oppose a totally unconstitutional law that promises to 'save the life of a single child', than they would promote the prosecution of the 'good guys' for doing 'bad things'. Churches hold the same favored 'good guy' status as policemen who violate the civil rights of 'bad' citizens. > Should churches be tax exempt? Without their long history of helping people, > I doubt they would have any benifits. However, even if their privillige was > removed, they would simply be able to donate less money to community causes. Churches, like governments, corporations, or any other organized entity, have some wonderful people in them, doing wonderful things. The problem, as always, is what our founding fathers realized--these types of organizations/structures tend to grow and attain power which is then used for the purpose of self-sustained growth (survival). Humanity tends to evolve, while organized humanity tends to de-volve. Biped humans, walking upright, form organizations which move toward becoming quadrapeds dragging large clubs. Most of the issues/problems discussed on the Cypherpunks list are often dealt with in terms of a combination of 'the way things are' vs. 'the way things should be' vs. 'the way things are becoming'. My view is that things have become so askew that any one of the above, or any of them in combination, are not adequate for dealing with what is to come in the near future. The statement of one of the founding fathers, in regard to needing a revolution every twenty years, or so, should be considered in the light of the history of 'forest fires.' Forest fires know that there should be a 'revolution every twenty years' but humans do not. In our foolish wisdom, we decide to intervene in the natural course of things, to 'make things better'. We then proceed to put the natural balance so far out of askew that, once we have 'saved' the forests by not allowing forest kindling to burn for a hundred years, the Forest Stock Market undergoes a major 'correction'. The structure of American government, electoral laws, charitable tax deductions, etc., are not inherently evil in themselves. The problem is that they have all been subject to interference with the basic underlying concepts, in efforts to improve them with a 'more is better' mentality, that they are all ripe for burning. ["Welfare (charity) has resulted in many positive benefits. Hey! I have a good idea! Let's put _everyone_ on welfare!] The structure of government/laws/society is very similar to that of the Internet, with everything being linked in ways that become increasingly complex once individual entities decide that things need to be done a 'certain way' in their own self-interest, instead of in the needs of the underlying infrastructure. The problems multiply as the number of entities deciding which 'certain' way is the 'right' way becomes smaller. "Spam is bad. _I_ am going to _save_ everyone from spam. Flames aren't so good, either. I'd better save you from 'flames' as well. What constitutes a flame? Well, it all begins with disagreement and, since I decide what is and is not a flame, I guess that a flame could be defined as disagreement with _me_!" ("In order to save the list from spam, we had to destroy the list.") Now that we are all aware of the disruptive manipulations of the Evil Dr. Vulis, perhaps he has changed his online persona to that of 'Jodi Hoffman'. (:>} NukeReality! ~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: [news] TV station sets cybersex sting
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vipul Ved Prakash wrote: > > *** TV station sets cybersex sting > > With cyperporn and cybersex ranking as sensational news items on > local TV stations, Fox's Los Angeles outlet has taken the trend a > step further by ensnaring adult sexual predators. KTTV's Fox 11 News > at 10 worked with a 21-year-old woman posing as a 14-year-old to > conduct cybersting operations that led to the arrests of five men. > http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=5777644-464 And Fox is going to do a similar entrapment sting on Catholic priests, right?

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Springer/Gates Merger
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CANADIAN NUTLY NEWS: [CNN, Bienfait, Saskatchewan] BAR OWNERS at the Coaldust Saloon, in violation of Canadian bartender/customer confidentiality laws, revealed details of a planned merger between Micro$oft and the Jerry Springer Show. Computer magnate Bill Gates has signed a secret deal with Jerry Springer to host a variety of WebTV productions which will be InterActive variations on the 'Terminal Man' theme. Springer, upset over the news media outcry over his proposed move toward bringing his Barnum & Baily act into the mainstream news forum, plans to take his revenge by using Micro$oft's domination in the lowest-common-denominator market to parlay his lack of good taste and journalistic ethics into a full-scale assasult on the elitest mainstream news media which continues to ignore the real desires of the general public. Philip R. Zimmerman, former head of PGP, Inc., announced his new position as Publicity Representative for 'New Reality Productions' by saying, "Daddy always told me, 'If you're going to sell out a little, you might as well sell out a lot--and make the BIG bucks.'" PRZ told gathered reporters that the increasing interest shown by television viewers in shows such as 'The World's Scariest Police Chases' threatened the growing popularity of the InterNet as the medium of the future. Zimmerman said, "The virtual reality of TV and the movies has always been a harbringer of the virtual future. The success of Terminal Man showed that the future was in snuff-flicks, and Police Chases was the natural movement of that theme into the trend toward Real TV." PRZ added, "The InterActive capabilities of the InterNet will allow the Gates/Springer merger to give the viewers the ability to get personally involved in the decisions as to who lives and who dies." New technologies which enable law enforcement agencies to activate kill-switches in fleeing automobiles have been abandoned in favor of technologies which allow the home viewer to use joysticks to control the movement of the criminal's vehicle and those of their police pursuers. Zimmerman defended the use of the new technology by saying, "Sure, snuff-flicks used to be illegal, but so did gambling and drinking. 'New Reality Productions' is just following the money." The beta-testing of the new technology took place on the CypherPunks mailing list, where list subscribers were given the opportunity to actively participate in the second 'moderation experiment' on the list by using their accumulated Moral Majority Reputation Credits to kill undesirable posts to the list. Chief CypherPunks Spokesperson, Jodi Hoffman, said that putting control of the list in the hands of the lowest common denominator had stemmed the "downward spiral" of the mailing list and that the Christian CypherPunks mailing list was a definite improvement over the original non-Christian-Jew infested CDR list. "Once we got rid of the Christkillers and the Commies," Hoffman proclaimed, "the list postings trickled down to two or three a day, but if it saves the life of just one child..."

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[Fwd: Horsemen] Horsemen
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Taxing Churches for their views? Bad idea. (fwd)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Burnes wrote: > On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Anonymous wrote: > > Churches, like governments, corporations, or any other organized > > entity, have some wonderful people in them, doing wonderful things. > > The problem, as always, is what our founding fathers realized--these > > types of organizations/structures tend to grow and attain power which > > is then used for the purpose of self-sustained growth (survival). > > Humanity tends to evolve, while organized humanity tends to de-volve. > > Biped humans, walking upright, form organizations which move toward > > becoming quadrapeds dragging large clubs. > Ha! This is pretty interesting. Rather than the typical cypherpunk > approach of eliminating such inefficient and corrupting methods as > income taxation and tax exemption we are playing by their game. Taxation and exemptions are, conceptually, no different than a tribal agreement that those who bring home the deer will share with those who guard the campsite, and that the shaman who keeps the evil spirits at bay has to do neither. When one strips the semantics from various cypherpunks posts, there is usually an underlying agreement that there should be no 'free rides' and no 'oppressive burdens.' <-- generality> > The whole of HG Wells warning to society was that by systematically > altering the language, you alter the things that can be discussed. I believe that half of the disagreements on the cypherpunks list, and the vast majority of disagreements in the world in general, are the result of disputes over semantics, rather than beliefs. > rather than bitch and moan about how the Churches are exempt, why > not rejoice in the fact that at least the churches are free from > taxation. We are part of the way there. Revolutionary idea! Instead of calling for Churches to be subject to the same oppressive taxation as the rest of us, call for the rest of us to be given the same exemptions as Churches. I vote Jim Burnes the honorary title of 'CypherPunks Chief Taxation Spokesperson' (Norman Vincent Peale Chapter). > Or start your own church. ;-) I agree. TruthPastor "CypherPunks Church of One" (All donations declared by myself to be tax deductible--check with the authorities in *your* jail cell (*after* sending me money) as to their views in this regard.)

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Government goons force Goddard to recant
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Time to add a new horseman: "conspiracy theory-spreading libertarians" ... CNN logo [ISMAP]-Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Barnes and Noble Main banner Weird guy. Cool phone. Click here. rule TWA missile theory co-author apologizes Salinger Says report was 'reckless' From Correspondent Christine Negroni November 5, 1997 Web posted at: 2:05 p.m. EST (1905 GMT) NEW YORK (CNN) -- Ian Goddard, co-author of a report that claimed the U.S. Navy shot down TWA Flight 800, has told CNN that those charges were "reckless and a mistake." In a written statement to CNN, Goddard apologized to "all those in the Navy I have wrongfully accused" and to "those who believed in my efforts and who are now upset with me for my change of mind." Goddard co-authored the report with former ABC news reporter Pierre Salinger and a third man, Mike Sommers. Ian Goddard's statement to CNN: "While many witness accounts remain a mystery to me, I believe that my effort to pin the crash of TWA 800 on the Navy was reckless and a mistake. I apologize to all those in the Navy I have wrongfully accused. I also apologize to those who believed in my efforts and who are now upset with me for my change of mind. "We all need to put our support behind the families of the victims of TWA 800. Many who died left children behind who now need your support... Please give." National Transportation Safety Board spokesman Peter Goelz, on learning of the Goddard apology, said that Goddard had done real damage, particularly to the victims' families, by promoting charges that the Navy's "friendly fire" caused the July 1996 crash. "He has caused innumerable people great agony," Goelz said, adding that both the FBI and the NTSB had to spend time responding to what were basically groundless accusations. Joe Lychner of Houston, who lost his wife and two daughters in the crash, told CNN that Goddard and Salinger owe an explanation to the American public. The so-called Salinger report laid out an elaborate conspiracy theory that alleged a huge government cover-up following the TWA crash. Goddard had kept the theory alive on a Web site he created, which now appears to have been discontinued. "I just wanted to give the government a black eye by any means that looked opportune. TWA 800 was just a vehicle for my larger agenda."  Ian Goddard Goddard has recently E-mailed associates about his report. In those messages, Goddard called his support of the conspiracy theory "a big mistake," and said he only pursued the charges because he "wanted to give the government a black eye by any means that looked opportune." Goddard says he wanted to promote libertarian ideology by encouraging distrust of the government. CNN's Christine Negroni reports on the admission: icon 2 min. 30 sec. VXtreme video When contacted by CNN about Goddard's statement, Salinger said that he is moving on from his investigation into the TWA crash, although he did not retract any of his charges that a Navy missile brought down the 747. Salinger called FBI Deputy Director James Kallstrom last week and told him that he was giving up his probe. In his statement to CNN, Goddard asked that the public support the families of the victims of TWA 800 and that donations be made to the Flight 800 Family Relief Fund. TWA Flight 800 crashed off Long Island, killing all 230 people on board. The FBI and NTSB have not yet named an official cause of the accident. ______________________________________________________________ © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved.

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Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy
by John Kelsey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [ To: cypherpunks ## Date: 11/03/97 ## Subject: Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy ] >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 10:26:03 -0700 >To: "John Kelsey" <kelsey(a)plnet.net>, > "cypherpunks" <cypherpunks(a)Algebra.COM> >From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >Subject: Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy >Such insurance is now common. A boat owner doesn't buy >insurance for iceberg collisions if he is never in arctic >waters, a small plane pilot doesn't buy cargo insurance if >he doesn't ferry cargo, and so on. Yes, I understand this. Nobody with a grain of sense insures himself for things he knows will never happen. >>the point of having insurance, which is to protect yourself >>from low probability high cost things happening. That is, >I have a different view of what insurance is than John does. >What insurance is, and how it is priced, is too long a topic >to get into here. Suffice it to say that the insurance >company makes its profits by charging more for coverage than >it pays out. And the customer, of course, tends to lose the >differential. An insurance broker and a bookie are in the same business. A bookie takes a bet from me, at 1000 to 1 odds, for some unlikely to occur event--which he thinks has a probability of less than 1/1000. An insurance broker does the same thing. The only important difference is my purpose in placing the bet. When I take out medical insurance, I am placing a bet that I will get sick enough to spend more than my deductable on doctors. The insurance broker estimates (based on whatever information is available) the probability that this will happen, and makes me a bet at odds that are in his favor, if his estimate is true. If I get sick, I get some money (or my doctors do). If I stay well, I lose the bet. This is just paying someone to take some risk off my hands. >Each side tries to get as much information as possible. If >Joe Client knows he never pilots a cargo plane, he doesn't >opt for cargo insurance. If Joe Client knows he never >engages in unprotected sex with diseasy prostitutes, etc., >he skips HIV insurance. The fact that some "low probability >events," like meteor strikes, are uncovered is part of the >price of keeping Joe's premiums tolerable. >>before I've taken the test for genetic disease X, my best >>estimate of the probability that I will test positive is >>very low. Once I have taken it, I know the result. If I >>sign up for a-la-carte insurance for this disease, the >>insurance company effectively knows I must have tested >>positive for a predisposition to it, and so either won't >>give me insurance, or will give me insurance only at an >>extremely high rate (corresponding to a 1/10 chance of >>getting the disease, rather than a 1/1,000,000 chance). >This is the idea. It causes those with the predilections to >the disease to pay the high coverage costs. Right. I don't think I expressed my point too clearly, because you seem to have responded to something different than what I was saying. Suppose there is some genetic disease that kills its victims on their 31st birthday, unless they get a $1,000,000 treatment first. Before I have taken the test for this disease, I have to accept a certain risk--if I find out I have the disease, I have to raise a million dollars in the next few months. After I have taken the test and gotten back the results, there's no more risk involved (assuming the test is perfect)--I either have the disease or I don't. After the test, insurance isn't useful (unless I defraud my insurer). Before the test, though, insurance might be useful--I could essentially place a bet with someone that I had the disease--I pay $1, and get a million dollars back if my test comes back positive--just enough to pay for my treatment. >The alternative is not pretty: banning private testing >(how?) and forcing insurance companies to cover all >applicants for all conditions at a fixed rate. I know. Let me make it clear that I am not at all interested in banning private testing, coercing insurance companies or anyone else into agreements they don't want to make, etc. I am saying it would be nice if I could buy insurance against the results of the tests before I took them. The problem is, I can't see a really workable way to do this, because there's no way to keep people from taking the test beforehand. >--Tim May --John Kelsey, Counterpane Systems, kelsey(a)counterpane.com PGP 2.6 fingerprint = 4FE2 F421 100F BB0A 03D1 FE06 A435 7E36 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNGDdikHx57Ag8goBAQE6/AP/Yub9LA0b1rvivDeiHW9tHtV7b/n4jmUA aP50hPFTCn7EEMsoKdC2pUv0eq5F+s8AmKyaE+SmxTgBbalrvm+T+lPib4bbEXjH iI9nHbnfzTSxiVbkVHp0p0/0urIgokTcrFBWbfIEnmOnGvI7OHI+KcPjqr3JBQeo A53+dL0NBRQ= =kx2R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --John Kelsey, Counterpane Systems, kelsey(a)counterpane.com PGP 2.6 fingerprint = 4FE2 F421 100F BB0A 03D1 FE06 A435 7E36

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Re: Copyright commerce and the street musician protocol
by John Kelsey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [ To: cypherpunks, Perry's Crypto List ## Date: 11/03/97 ## Subject: Re: Copyright commerce and the street musician protocol ] >Subject: Re: Copyright commerce and the street musician protocol >From: Marc Horowitz <marc(a)cygnus.com> >Date: 03 Nov 1997 16:03:34 -0500 >Someone recently told me that game manufacturers have >stopped worrying about piracy. Why? Because most new games >come on CD-ROM, and copying a CD-ROM is an expensive, >time-consuming operation. Bulk duplication of CD's is >substantially cheaper than one-off duplication, and since >games are cheap, people will usually buy them rather than >copy them. This is a nice situation for CD-ROM-based video games. However, it's probably a temporary situation. Currently, downloading a novel, even over modem lines, isn't all that time-consuming. If available bandwidth and storage capacity keeps getting cheaper, the same will soon be true for digital audio, and later, for digital video. The number of bits required to hold a twenty-minute piece of music at CD quality isn't going to increase over time. >While the cost of one-off CD duplication will certainly >drop, I see no reason that media will not change form in the >future. As long as it's cheaper or more convenient to buy >digital media from the publisher than to copy it yourself, >the piracy problem basically doesn't exist. Separate the medium from the information. For computer programs, it's possible to just keep bloating the data to keep piracy from paying. (To some extent, anyway.) For novels, music, and video, that's not going to work. The unit of music I'm interested in listening to will probably not change much. >This is exactly >what makes copyright work for books: I can duplicate a book, >but it will cost more than buying it legitimately. (There >is still the problem of systematic large-scale piracy, but >this is relatively easy to notice and prosecute under >existing law.) But once someone has scanned in the text from the book, it costs approximately nothing to make another copy. This works as well for digitized music, video, and images. Once the data is available somewhere in digital form, it's almost free to copy. In a world with jurisdiction-shopping, eternity servers, high-quality anonymous e-mail, anonymous payment mechanisms, and cheap, high-bandwidth connections, that digital data has to get onto the net *once*, and it is free forever to anyon who will take the trouble to find it. For books, one reason this doesn't happen more often now is that the display technology for most computers is not nearly as easy to read as even cheaply-printed paperbacks. This is sure to change with time. Widespread use of DVDs will get rid of the advantages of CDs and cassettes for listening to music. >Short works (newspapers, magazines, journals, etc.) will >need a different mechanism, such as advertising, but that >infrastructure is creating itself today. It's essentially the same problem for text works. A text work you can't fit on one CD with compression is unlikely to be something you can get many people to read all the way through. (The exception is reference material, where you want *everything* of interest to be there, even though you will surely read only a tiny fraction of the material.) The real distinction here is timeliness. If some information is only valuable when it's timely, then it's probably going to make sense to get the information from its source, even if it costs money or you have to look at some ads. If the information is valuable weeks later, then it may be hard to charge much money for access to it. > Marc --John Kelsey, Counterpane Systems, kelsey(a)counterpane.com PGP 2.6 fingerprint = 4FE2 F421 100F BB0A 03D1 FE06 A435 7E36 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNGDdkUHx57Ag8goBAQH0TwP/ZKJMdO1klPSI0W/UWxzX3B+2sWGp2lUT JAkSrHC6ha3JAq+NECF2Cwmf8wuu+mmdyy6laFTljGJ9uuxnfrZZ4QfJAR0S0KbM 8swifaqDkryQtu3dpJOzDV8Kc7B7QYiF3HyiW0NYDHI+VwO9hgFAq/+XkQA5Yhb8 erGdU+e5cwQ= =uFfo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --John Kelsey, Counterpane Systems, kelsey(a)counterpane.com PGP 2.6 fingerprint = 4FE2 F421 100F BB0A 03D1 FE06 A435 7E36

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Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy
by John Kelsey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- [ To: cypherpunks ## Date: 11/05/97 ## Subject: Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy ] >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:05:16 -0700 >From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >Subject: Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy >What an insurance card is really a *line of credit*. Or a >*proof of payment*. The admitting hospital knows they'll at >least be reimbursed for the initial visit and emergency >treatment. >Perhaps there's a business idea for some enterprising >Cypherpunk. A prepaid hospital card, good for a few days' >worth of treatment (e.g., $5000), but only at the better >rates. This could even be done with Chaumian >privacy-protecting methods. There's an idea. This seems straightforward enough in principle. It's just like a prepaid credit card, or even a normal credit card, right? I mean, what it says on the card is probably different, but the financial arrangements are pretty-much the same. I suspect it would be easier to implement this (at least in the US) as an extra function on a credit card, rather than as a new kind of insurance, since there are so many odd insurance regulations out there. Currently, lots of credit cards offer special benefits like automatic insurance on rental cars--this seems like a close variation on the same idea. >--Tim May -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNGDdm0Hx57Ag8goBAQF32wQAt995HVMQafsP+vDB3YdixDghNvS0LABE Qy1a1Cy+Gzzlsox4c6NnoOXB2ETWANtTknw3gn/KiNVFxSmSDqihvhmeAiZ8BQ2N pKIY9me/NPHKTSsPzYAA4gi3jrAFF58qIky9BATcneJLos1qpw3P8TlTZF+MmXU/ 0TZl6llN+4U= =SDLk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --John Kelsey, Counterpane Systems, kelsey(a)counterpane.com PGP 2.6 fingerprint = 4FE2 F421 100F BB0A 03D1 FE06 A435 7E36

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SSL Browser info
by Gary Howland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, You may be interested to know that I've set up a web page at http://www.hotlava.com/demos/ssl-query.html which displays the SSL version and cipher types of your browser. Gary -- pub 1024/C001D00D 1996/01/22 Gary Howland <gary(a)hotlava.com> Key fingerprint = 0C FB 60 61 4D 3B 24 7D 1C 89 1D BE 1F EE 09 06

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Crypto in Videoconferencing?
by Jim Burnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

anyone: is anyone aware of a videoconferencing system that supports strong crypto -- or any type of crypto for that matter? jim burnes ----- Jim Burnes Security Software Engineer, SSDS Inc. Denver, CO Remove the n-o-s-p-a-m. from my email to respond -----

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church of crypto anarchy (Re: Taxing Churches for their views? Bad idea. (fwd)) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:25:02 GMT > From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > Subject: church of crypto anarchy (Re: Taxing Churches for their views? Bad idea. (fwd)) > Seems to me that the distinction that churches are exempt from taxes > partly hinges on their non-profit, or not-for-profit status. No, it stems from the fundamental democratic axiom of seperation of church and state. If the churches pay taxes they aren't seperate. If the state supports churches they aren't seperate. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Home Buisness Opportunity
by billy＠bingo.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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You will need all four reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. * Usually within 10 days you will receive, via e-mail, the four reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the four reports, take this advertisement and remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their 50 grand! c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy everyone's name and address ACCURATELY!!! 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion of this letter. 4. Now you're ready to start an advertising campaign on the WORLDWIDE WEB! Advertising on the WEB is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Another avenue which you could use for advertising is e-mail lists. You can buy these lists for under $20/2,000 addresses or you can pay someone a minimal charge to take care of it for you. 5. For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ ***Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH FOR EACH REPORT (checks not accepted) - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper - On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your postal address. It is suggested that you rent a mailbox addressed to an assumed "company" name to avoid your name and home address being sent to millions of people. For an example, see the "company" names listed below. __________________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: MF Group, Inc. 3550 Centerville HWY Suite 107-145 Lithonia, Ga 30058 __________________________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: The SRF Enterprises 4117 Jami Lane Lithonia, Ga 30058 __________________________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: FML P.O. Box 927603 San Diego, Ca 92192-0603 __________________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Marico 2350 Spring Road #30-194 Smyrna, GA 30080 __________________________________________________________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 1st level--your 10 members with $5...........................................$50 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)..................$500 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)..........$5,000 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000)...$50,000 THIS TOTALS ----------->$55,550 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20). You obviously already have an internet connection and e-mail is FREE! *******TIPS FOR SUCCESS******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report to comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. vol. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received." * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, the results WILL undoubtedly be SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! *******YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINE******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, continue advertising until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! *******T E S T I M O N I A L S******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS My name is Frank. My wife, Doris, and I live in Bel-Air, MD. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Doris about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Doris totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Doris in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Frank T., Bel-Air, MD The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Sincerely yours, Phillip A. Brown, Esq. Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S. the people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!!! For 52,000,000 E-mail addressess visit our website at: http://www.edgetone.com/industry2/resellers/resell553.html

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 07:47 MET > From: Jenaer Mixmaster Anonserver <mixmaster(a)as-node.jena.thur.de> > Subject: Libertaria in Cyberspace > For a truly free communications medium we must have strong cryptography. Seems to me that this is false. To have a truly free communcations medium we must have no censors. The very fact that crypto is involved guarantees that it isn't free. The use of crypto itself is a form of censorship if you don't have the key. > This is a given. No, it isn't. > Anonymity cannot be insured without strong cryptography Tell that to publius. 200+ years later and we still fight over who wrote what and they didn't even use a simple substitution cypher. The secret to anonymity is the same as keeping a secret, those who know keep their mouths shut. > and the freedom of remailers or similar mechanisms to operate > unobstructed. How is crypto going to keep them from kicking the turning the phones off, turning the power off, and kicking the front door in? It isn't. > Speech is never truly free unless it can be anonymous if > the author so chooses. Speech can't be truly free as long as any party can censor the traffic. > Who wants to espouse an opinion which will get > them flogged, either figuratively or literally, by their neighbors, their > government, or in some cases even their family? Then be so kind as to explain people who are intentionaly trying to force legal cases in order to challenge standards? This is a clear 1-to-1 mapping to flogging (per your example). > In my opinion, Mr. May is correct when he says that physical space is too > small and too exposed to outside intervention. Unfortunately cyberspace can't exist without meatspace. > Yes, cyberspace does look much more promising. Only if you don't have a clue as to the technical, social and economic milieu that it exists within. Show me a way to run a remailer program without a computer which exists in meatspace and your proposition might work. > The amount of "space" in > cyberspace is unbelievably large. You have a small imagination. The amount of space in cyberspace in no more than the sum total of all the hard drives in use on the network or network accessible at any given time. It's measured in terabytes but that is hardly unbelievable. > The amount of data I can store on one > gigabyte of hard drive is incredible by conventional standards. Your standards are pretty low when one considers that the largest databases on the planet are measured in terabytes (1,000 gig's). > And space is very cheap > in cyberspace. Really? Then please be so kind as to pay my monthy bills related to Internet access. I assure you they are far from 'cheap'. > A truly free communications medium must allow its users to be anonymous. No, it must provide no moderation on traffic. All anonymous access buys one is reasonable deniability, a far cry from free communcations; and in fact fundamentaly unrelated to the concept of free speech. > That an opinion is unpopular does not make that opinion wrong or invalid. Doesn't make it correct either, the proof is in the pudding. > That an author does not want his "true name" attached to an opinion does > not diminish the value of that opinion. In fact the validity of a thesis should in no way ever rest on the personality or reputation capital, it should rest solely on what can be proven and tested about it. [other stuff deleted] > Tim May is correct: Libertaria will thrive in cyberspace. Only in your collective wet dreams. Libertaria as described by Tim, yourself, and others will never come to pass in that form. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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IRS reform bill going strong [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > IRS Reform Bill Skates Through House > > [INLINE] > > WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, Nov. 5) -- A bill to reform the Internal > Revenue Service skated through the House of Representatives today on > an overwhelming 426-4 vote. > > The measure picked up the support of Democrats after its sponsors made > key changes that drew the approval of the Clinton Administration. > > The most significant change would preserve the president's power to > appoint the IRS commissioner. The original version of the bill would > have transferred that duty to an independent board. > > The bill's centerpiece is an 11-member board made up mostly of private > citizens that would oversee the IRS and help manage its long-term > projects. > > Bill sponsor Rob Portman (R-Ohio) said the measure marked "the first > time in 45 years that we have attempted as a Congress to enact > fundamental reform."

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Re: [news] TV station sets cybersex sting
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>*** TV station sets cybersex sting >With cyperporn and cybersex ranking as sensational news items on >local TV stations, Fox's Los Angeles outlet has taken the trend a >step further by ensnaring adult sexual predators. KTTV's Fox 11 News >at 10 worked with a 21-year-old woman posing as a 14-year-old to >conduct cybersting operations that led to the arrests of five men. >KTTV used the unnamed woman as bait, having her enter online chat >rooms where she was immediately targeted. The station filmed the >online seductions as well as the arrests of the men, who included an >attorney, a doctor, a retired Army officer and an investigator for >the Dept. of Labor. See story at >http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=5777644-464 And then they tricked a real 14 year old girl into meeting with them and having sex so that maybe, if they really, really tried very hard, they could argue that a real crime had been committed, right? Didn't think so.

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Re: Government goons force Goddard to recant
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > > Time to add a new horseman: "conspiracy theory-spreading libertarians" > Goddard says he wanted to promote libertarian ideology by > encouraging distrust of the government. It's amazing how a few minutes in a cell with Jim Bell can help people see the error of their ways.

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Re: IRS reform bill going strong [CNN]
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > > IRS Reform Bill Skates Through House > > The bill's centerpiece is an 11-member board made up mostly of private > > citizens that would oversee the IRS and help manage its long-term > > projects. > > > > Bill sponsor Rob Portman (R-Ohio) said the measure marked "the first > > time in 45 years that we have attempted as a Congress to enact > > fundamental reform." Gee, and the IRS is being put in the hands of private citizens just before the Y2K problem comes to a head. Hhmmm...

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A Constitutionalist Recants
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Law & Order has showed me the error of my ways. After watching tonight's show, I realized that those who 'hide behind the Constitution' are all murderers. I was so proud of the judge who made his speech about supporting the concepts behind the constitution, and then was able to see his error in not throwing it out the window because of a single dead person. I cheered when the judge dismissed a juror for quoting the founding fathers. God bless what used to be America! ReformedConstitutionalistMonger "Sure, Dan Quayle was an idiot for getting all worked up over a Murphy Brown episode, but this is different...isn't it?"

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PGP's SMTP enforcer and ISPs
by phelix＠vallnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Recently, my ISP became the victim of spammers. Their response, like many other ISPs, is to block port 25 for all their dialup users. This means that all outgoing email must be routed through their mail server. Now that PGP has an SMTP enforcers, and that others will eventually follow with a S/MIME equivalent, we are literally an executive order away from an effective (if not 100% complete) ban on "inappropriate" encryption on email communications. All it would take is a national emergency, like the next war against Saddam Hussein, or a law that does not treat ISPs like common carriers and holds them liable for what their users do. And the worst thing of all is that most people won't even notice it. Hell, I was the only person on my end to notice that my ISP had blocked port 25. -- Phelix, "perfect paranoia is perfect awareness"

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First American Corp.
by fasc＠mxtro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

First American Scientific Corporation has developed new technology that we feel is of global significance to problems arising from human waste disposal activity. Full details are available at http://www.mxtro.com/fasc . The technology, which is built into ourKinetic Disintegratioin System, is called Kinetic Disintegration Technology (KDT) and incorporates standing sound waves and kinetic energy to disintegrate virtually all non-metallic substances into powders as fine as -400 mesh. This means that previously problematic recyclables like rubber (tires), gypsum (drywall), plastics, insulation, glass, and bio-solid wastes can be cost-effectively "micronized" and separated for re-use as industrial raw materials. This information will be of particular interest to investors, municipal engineers, agricultural research facilities, waste disposal engineers, recycled product developers, and others who have an interest in solving the crises being generated from worldwide waste disposal. Our apologies if you view this information as intrusive, but First American Scientific Corporation will not contribute to global deforestation by disseminating information through printed materials. We feel this technology is of the highest global priority. Thank you for taking the time to read this letter. Investor Relations First American Scientific Corporation NASD EBB:FASC Please reply with "remove" in the subject line for easy and permanent removal.

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Re: Springer/Gates Merger
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> CANADIAN NUTLY NEWS: > [CNN, Bienfait, Saskatchewan] BAR OWNERS at the Coaldust Saloon, > in violation of Canadian bartender/customer confidentiality laws, > revealed details of a planned merger between Micro$oft and the > Jerry Springer Show. > "The success of Terminal Man > showed that the future was in snuff-flicks, and Police Chases was > the natural movement of that theme into the trend toward Real TV." Let's see...if the police with the TV camera in their car get in a chase with another vehicle, their chances of getting on primetime TV increase in proportion to the threat posed to all involved, including innocent bystanders. So if the 'perp' kills or gets killed, the police officer gets to sing on 'Star Search'? If the TV camera on the police cruiser gets a particularly gory shot of the fleeing vehicle splattering a child in a crosswalk, the cop gets a free dining room set? I can hardly wait until Jane and Joe Public get their chance to participate in an InterActive snuff-flick in WebWorld. "It will never happen." you say?" Like the Great Evil of Alcohol will never be taken out of the hands of murderous criminals who make outrageous profits, and put into the hands of governement, who makes an equally outrageous profit. Like the government will not use their armed power to out-muscle the scar-faced, pug-nosed thugs in the dark underworld, to take over control of the Great Evil of Gambling. Trust me when I say that I am not just being cynical about the Sheeple (TM) in saying this. If I had a chance for a shot at Louis J. Freeh on the Pay-per-InterAct Snuff Channel... SnuffMonger

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Govt. key escrow justification
by Michael Wilson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm attaching the Nando and NYT pieces on the President's Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection. As feared yet expected, their effort is turning into another key escrow justification. Anyone who is interested, let me know, I've commented the PCCIP summary report (the full report is classified). I'm one of the few public strong- crypto supporters who also happens to be a professional in the field of infrastructural attacks, so this makes things even more lonely. Michael Wilson http://www.7pillars.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ U.S. cyberterrorism report hit on encryption stance ____________________________________________________________________________ Copyright ) 1997 Nando.net Copyright ) 1997 Reuters WASHINGTON (November 6, 1997 00:53 a.m. EST http://www.nando.net) - The U.S. commission on critical infrastructure drew strong criticism Wednesday for endorsing the Clinton administration's controversial policy that would require government access to all private computer data. Sen. Patrick Leahy, Democrat of Vermont, said significant questions had been raised about the costs and feasibility of so-called key recovery systems. "Until those significant questions are fully considered and answered, we should be cautious in adopting grand key recovery encryption schemes that may only exacerbate system vulnerabilities," Leahy said in a statement. The commission's report, delivered to President Clinton last month and later released to the public in declassified form, warned that critical telephone, power, water and financial systems were becoming increasingly vulnerable to computer attack. The commission also said it favored greater use of computer encryption programs, which use mathematical formulas to scramble information and render it unreadable without a password or software "key." Encryption programs could be used to prevent hackers or terrorists from infiltrating computer networks that run critical infrastructure systems, for example. But the commission backed use of key recovery, a technology to allow law enforcement officials to decode any encrypted message covertly. "Key recovery is needed to provide business access to data when encryption keys are lost or maliciously misplaced, and court-authorized law enforcement access to the plain text of criminal related communications and data lawfully seized," the report said. FBI director Louis Freeh and other law enforcement officials back legislation to require all encryption products to include such features, but many high-tech companies, scientists, and civil libertarians oppose mandatory back-door access to coded information. The Center for Democracy and Technology, an Internet advocacy group, noted that a recent report by cryptography experts found that key recovery features added numerous new vulnerabilities to computer systems. "Key recovery is inconsistent with the (commission's) own calls for greater security in our nation's critical infrastructures," the group said. Robert Marsh, who chaired the commission, defended the report to reporters after a hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee's technology and terrorism subcommittee. Marsh contended the report took a balanced view of the encryption debate. "We didn't get into the encryption debate and all the nuances and individual decisions," he said. "We simply came on strong for encryption." In its formal recommendations, the commission urged the government to speed up pilot programs on key recovery, promote efforts to plan for implementing large-scale key recovery systems and encourage private-sector key recovery efforts. ___________________________________________________________________ November 6, 1997 Head of Cyber-Terrorism Panel Says Encryption Rules May Be Needed By JERI CLAUSING Bio WASHINGTON The head of a presidential commission on cyber-terrorism on Wednesday told a Senate panel that a mandatory system guaranteeing third-party access to scrambled computer communications may be necessary if industry does not embrace the Clinton administration's plan for a voluntary encryption decoding system. ________________________________________________________________ Robert T. Marsh, an aerospace consultant and retired Air Force general who is chairman of the President's Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection, made the remarks in his first non-classified report on the commission's 15-month study and its recommendations for protecting the nation's computer networks from high-tech terrorism. The commission recommended a variety of proposals, including increased private-public partnership and information sharing, more comprehensive background checks on people who hold sensitive positions, strengthening of government computer systems and spending more on research to improve network security. But the key to national security, Marsh said, is strong encryption coupled with a back-door access for law enforcement officials to sensitive communications. "We want to see that adopted over all the critical control functions at an early date," he told the Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on Technology, Terrorism and Government Information. The commission's recommendation for a voluntary system that would give law enforcement officials the ability to decode electronic messages, called a key-recovery system, mirrors that of the administration, which says it wants ensure such officials can gain access to the coded communications of suspected criminals and terrorists. Encryption policy has been a volatile topic on Capitol Hill this year, where bills ranging from an industry-backed ban on key recovery to an FBI-supported mandatory key-recovery scheme have passed various House committees. The Clinton administration insists it supports a Senate bill establishing voluntary key recovery. "We didn't get into the encryption debate and all the nuances of individual positions," Marsh said. "We simply came on strong for encryption. We must have encryption." He told the panel that "we must lower the temperature of the encryption debate" long enough to complete pilot projects on key recovery that will prove to industry that such systems can work. Various agencies of the federal government currently are developing 13 key recovery pilot projects, which were on display Wednesday at a Government Information Technology Services conference. Marsh said the National Security Agency and the National Institutes for Standards and Technology should head efforts to perfect those systems and set standards for a national infrastructure protection office to carry out. Asked by the subcommittee's chairman, Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican, if those controls should be mandated, Marsh responded: "We think businessmen will find it in their best interest to incorporate these controls. ... Of course, in due time, that may be an option if they are not willing to accept them." Critics blasted the report as premature and contradictory. "I am concerned that the report's recommendations that large-scale key-recovery encryption systems which allow for surreptitious decryption by law enforcement be deployed for use by federal agencies and the private sector is premature," said Senator Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat who has sponsored a bill to relax controls on encryption technology." "Significant questions have been raised by leading cryptographers about the security risks inherent in large-scale key recovery systems, which introduce new vulnerabilities and targets for attack, as well as about the costs and feasibility of implementing such systems." The Center for Democracy and Technology said the "increasing vulnerabilities," "increasing dependence on critical infrastructure," and "wide spectrum of threats" identified by the commission all provide powerful arguments against the deployment of the vastly complex and insecure systems for back-door access that key recovery requires. The center cited a recent study by 11 expert cryptographers and computer security experts, "The Risks of Key Recovery, Key Escrow, and Trusted Third Parties," which identifies numerous risks in the widespread deployment of such key-recovery plans. Among those risks is insider abuse, which Marsh said so far has been the chief culprit in computer-related crimes. Marsh said a separate section of the report makes "recommendations that try to equip us better to deal with the insider threat, that's a separate problem." ________________________________________________________________ Jeri Clausing at jeri(a)nytimes.com welcomes your comments and suggestions. ________________________________________________________________ Copyright 1997 The New York Times Company --- For those who want to track this issue further, the PCCIP is at http://www.pccip.gov/

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Crypto '98: Call for Papers
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CRYPTO '98 August 23-27, 1998, Santa Barbara, California, USA CALL FOR PAPERS GENERAL INFORMATION Original papers on all technical aspects of cryptology are solicited for submission to Crypto '98, the Eighteenth Annual IACR Crypto Conference. Crypto '98 is organized by the International Association for Cryptologic Research (IACR), in cooperation with the IEEE Computer Society Technical Committee on Security and Privacy, and the Computer Science Department of the University of California, Santa Barbara. For more information, access http://www.iacr.org/ INSTRUCTIONS FOR AUTHORS Authors are strongly encouraged to submit their papers electronically. A detailed description of the electronic submission procedure will appear by December 1, 1997 at http://www.iacr.org/conferences/c98/submit.html. Electronic submissions must conform to this procedure in order to be considered. Authors unable to submit electronically are invited to send a cover letter and 22 copies of an anonymous paper (double-sided copies preferred) to the Program Chair at the postal address below. Submissions must be received by the Program Chair on or before February 16, 1998 (or postmarked by February 7, 1998, and sent via airmail or courier). Late submissions and submissions by fax will not be considered. The cover letter should contain the paper's title and the names and affiliations of the authors, and should identify the contact author including e-mail and postal addresses. Only original research contributions will be considered. Submissions must not substantially duplicate work that any of the authors have published elsewhere or have submitted in parallel to any other conference or workshop that has proceedings. The paper must be anonymous, with no author names, affiliations, acknowledgments or obvious references. It should begin with a title, a short abstract, and a list of key words, and its introduction should summarize the contributions of the paper at a level appropriate for a non-specialist reader. The paper should be at most 12 pages excluding the bibliography and clearly marked appendices, and at most 20 pages in total, using at least 11-point font and reason- able margins. Committee members are not required to read appendices, so the paper should be intelligible without them. Submissions not meeting these guidelines risk rejection without consideration of their merits. Notification of acceptance or rejection will be sent to authors by April 30, 1998. Authors of accepted papers must guarantee that their paper will be presented at the conference. CONFERENCE PROCEEDINGS Proceedings will be published in Springer-Verlag's Lecture Notes in Computer Science and will be available at the conference. Clear instructions about the preparation of a final proceedings version will be sent to the authors of accepted papers. The final copies of the accepted papers will be due on June 5, 1998. SUBMISSION: February 16, 1998 ACCEPTANCE: April 30, 1998 PROCEEDINGS VERSION: June 5, 1998 PROGRAM COMMITTEE: Dan Boneh, Stanford University, USA Don Coppersmith, IBM Research, USA Yair Frankel, CertCo, USA Matt Franklin, AT&T Labs - Research, USA Johan Hastad, Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden Lars Knudsen, University of Bergen, Norway Hugo Krawczyk, Chair, Technion, Israel and IBM Research, USA Ueli Maurer, ETH Zurich, Switzerland Alfred Menezes, Auburn University, USA Andrew Odlyzko, AT&T Labs - Research, USA Rafail Ostrovsky, Bellcore, USA Jean-Jacques Quisquater, Universite de Louvain, Belgium Tal Rabin, IBM Research, USA Matt Robshaw, RSA Laboratories, USA Phillip Rogaway, University of California at Davis, USA Rainer Rueppel, $R^3$ Security Engineering AG, Switzerland Kazue Sako, NEC, Japan Dan Simon, Microsoft Research, USA Moti Yung, CertCo, USA ADVISORY MEMBERS: Burt Kaliski, chair Crypto'97, RSA Laboratories, USA Michael J. Wiener, chair Crypto'99, Entrust Technologies, Canada Joe Kilian, electronic submissions, NEC Research Institute, USA ADDRESS FOR NON-ELECTRONIC SUBMISSIONS: Hugo Krawczyk, Program Chair, Crypto '98 Department of Electrical Engineering Technion - Israel Institute of Technology Technion City, Haifa 32000 ISRAEL Phone: (972) 4-829-4652 Fax: (972) 4-832-3041 E-mail: crypto98(a)ee.technion.ac.il FOR OTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: Andrew Klapper, General Chair, Crypto '98 Department of Computer Science 763h Anderson Hall University of Kentucky Lexington, KY 40506 USA Phone: (1) 606-257-3961 Fax: (1) 606-323-1971 E-mail: crypto98(a)iacr.org STIPENDS: A limited number of stipends are available to those unable to obtain funding to attend the conference. Students whose papers are accepted and who will present the paper themselves are encouraged to apply if such assistance is needed. Requests for stipends should be addressed to the General Chair.

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Re: Raids on Cypherpunks?
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >(One can only hope. I'm getting tired of setting my traps every night and >having no BATFags to show for it.) ..................................................... You know, a long time ago (in '93) when L..D.(etweiler) was provoking the list with his various "Secret Operations" against the "Big Macs" on the list, you (Tim) remarked that you half expected to hear one day that he had been shot and arrested (or was it shot and killed) for his bizarre behavior. Ironically, I wonder if it will not be yourself, who one day is found under those circumstances. (Not that your behavior is bizarre, or anything). .. Blanc

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17 Dec '03

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Tim May Guilty in OKC Bombing!
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~ Prosecution tries to link May, McVeigh through literature BIENFAIT (CANADIAN NUTLY NEWS) -- Drunks testifying Wednesday in the Oklahoma City bombing trial said they found anti-government literature in the home of defendant Tim C. May that was similar to that found in the car of Timothy McVeigh. A shitfaced Lying Fuck Louis J. Freeh said, "Pro-constitution, anti-government, it's all the same crap." ... One document referred to the government raid on the Branch Davidian compound near Waco, Texas, and contained the Thomas Jefferson quote: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." FBI agents snorting cocaine in the bathroom were heard to say that they were looking into the possibility that John Doe #3 might, in fact, be Thomas Jefferson. ... The government has argued that McVeigh and May were incensed over how federal agents handled the 1993 clash with the Branch Davidian cult in Waco in which 80 cult members died. Lying Nazi Cunt Janet Reno testified that, to her knowledge, May and McVeigh were the only two people in the US who were angered by the FBI murder of men, women and children. ... One document seized in Timothy C. May's house was a copy of a March 15, 1993, letter published in The Wall Street Journal that referred to Waco and "equates federal agents with Nazi SS agents exterminating Jews in World War II." When prosecutors entered this as evidence, May broke down on his bar stool and confessed. "When they introduced the evidence that I read The Wall Street Journal," May told Canadian Nutly News reportwhores, "I knew it was only a matter of time until they linked me to Jim Bell, who has been learning how to read from prison copies of the newpaper." ... Rumors that May ratted out other readers of The Wall Street Journal in return for a double-shot of Tequila could not be confirmed. All political figures queried by Nutly News reportwhores denied reading the terrorist rag, including its publishers. The editor of The Wall Street Journal vehemently denied rumors that May had secretly named him as an avid reader of his own paper, claiming, "Hell, I can't even read." He also added that Tim May and Jim Bell were known to be Janet Reno's secret lovers, though admitting that they did not fuck her with their own dicks. Tomorrow: FBI investigating reports that a majority of Cypherpunks mailing list subscribers used letters of the English alphabet that were 'similar' to those used by May and Bell.

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Re: Speech as co-conspiring? I don't think so.
by Fed's Bait Shop 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Fred wrote: > Mix wrote: > > > (*) Tim seems too wiley to be crazy. Instead, he seems to be playing > > The Most Dangerous Game: Fed baiting. > ^^^ (typo) > > Could you tell me the best way to kill a policeman, politician, or > world leader, without using a gun? Of course, I want to make it perfectly clear that I am referring only to doing so as a member of a freedom-fighting organization whose aims are fully supported by any government who might want to prosecute me for asking a hypothetical question of this nature. And, naturally, I would only be interested in those methods of killing that would result in the deaths of only those who are the evil enemies of any government who might want to prosecute me for asking a hypothetical question of this nature. Fred

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Mitnick Rings Bell
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

6 November 1997, Digital Cellular Report: U.S. government takes hard line on Mitnick. US Hacker Pleads for Help A US 'hacker'- Kevin David Mitnick - has issued a plea for financial help to fight his defence case through his lawyer, Donald C Randolph of Santa Monica, USA. Through Randolph, Mitnick is claiming that the US government is seeking to make an example of him for the possession of unauthorised cellular access codes. The issue is particularly important in the North American market where analogue, rather than digital cellular, is the norm. In one of the most amazing claims, Mitnick claims to have been kept in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day, naked in a freezing air-conditioned cell for eight months and led to the showers in chains. Perhaps the most puzzling aspect to the whole case is the fact that while the US government has never sought to prove that Mitnick profited from his 'hacking' activities - although he could certainly have done so by 'selling' stolen airtime to third parties. Instead they claim he caused losses in excess of $80 million. Kevin certainly appears to be paying the price for his nefarious deeds having already spent nearly two years in custody during which time he has been prohibited from any access to wireless communications equipment, computer hardware or computer software. It's difficult to know exactly which side is the more paranoid since Mitnick is claiming that his fate is part of a deliberate US government plot to divert scrutiny away from its plans concerning the control and regulation of both telecommunications and the Internet. The case would seem to present a most powerful argument for the US to switch more swiftly over to digital cellular where 'hacking' is far more difficult.

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Re: church of crypto anarchy (Re: Taxing Churches for their views? Bad idea. (fwd)) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 08:52:15 GMT > From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > Subject: Re: church of crypto anarchy (Re: Taxing Churches for their views? Bad idea. (fwd)) (fwd) > Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> writes: > > Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> > > > Seems to me that the distinction that churches are exempt from taxes > > > partly hinges on their non-profit, or not-for-profit status. > > > > No, it stems from the fundamental democratic axiom of seperation of church > > and state. If the churches pay taxes they aren't seperate. > > I pay taxes, I am separated from the state. Do you hold US citizenship? If so then, no, your assertion of seperation from the state is incorrect. It's that pesky "We the people..." thing. If you want to be considered seperate from the US *AND* you don't want to pay US taxes then renounce your US citizenship and move to another country *OR* figure out a way to become your own 1 person church. Like it or not that's the way it works. > > If the state supports churches they aren't seperate. > > If the state doesn't tax churches they are subsidizing them relative > to other sorts of organisations. This is surely a form of support. Subsidize means to pay, the government does not pay as a rule pay the churches anything, that would violate the seperation clause as well. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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WINDOWS *.PWL program
by �ukasz Bromirski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Two years ago, you've posted an Windows 95 *.PWL cracking program. However, it was severly broken in our news group. Could you post me personally a full-working copy of it (as an e-mail) or a source (full) of this program? I'll be glad to see it. Thanx in advance. -- ### ### ### ### ## ###### £ukasz Bromirski # # # # # # # # ## # #### e-mail: szopen(a)gazeta.pl # # # # # # # ### # ## tel. (+48) 022 699 48 00 # #### # ### # # # ## # #### Agora-Gazeta Sp. z o.o. ###### ####### ### ## ###### Dzia³ Telekomunikacji

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Clarifying the Language
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- TruthPastor wrote: >Jim Burnes wrote: >> On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Anonymous wrote: >> > Churches, like governments, corporations, or any other organized >> > entity, have some wonderful people in them, doing wonderful things. >> > The problem, as always, is what our founding fathers realized--these >> > types of organizations/structures tend to grow and attain power which >> > is then used for the purpose of self-sustained growth (survival). >> > Humanity tends to evolve, while organized humanity tends to de-volve. >> > Biped humans, walking upright, form organizations which move toward >> > becoming quadrapeds dragging large clubs. > >> Ha! This is pretty interesting. Rather than the typical cypherpunk >> approach of eliminating such inefficient and corrupting methods as >> income taxation and tax exemption we are playing by their game. Pathetic, isn't it? > Taxation and exemptions are, conceptually, no different than a >tribal agreement that those who bring home the deer will share >with those who guard the campsite, and that the shaman who keeps >the evil spirits at bay has to do neither. The important word in this sentence is "agreement". If the American taxpayer does not agree with how his tax money is being used, does he not have the right to demand that it be used in an appropriate way? If his demands go unanswered, does he not have the right to refuse to continue paying? If the American taxpayer does not like substandard education, abortion, weapons manufacturing, destructive environmental legislation, and so forth, why should she be forced to pay for it? The simple fact is that taxation in America has ceased to be an agreement, and has devolved into extortion with the threat of jail/forfeiture for "non-compliance". >> The whole of [Orwell's] warning to society was that by systematically >> altering the language, you alter the things that can be discussed. > > I believe that half of the disagreements on the cypherpunks list, >and the vast majority of disagreements in the world in general, are >the result of disputes over semantics, rather than beliefs. If one were to break down the anti-Income Tax argument to its most basic level, it would be that the government does not have the right to extort money from its citizens to promote agendas which are destructive of the citizens' persons and property. Basic Common Sense (TM). Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNGHX9uFWwZe05jcJAQGj8AgAhPmUFgdrB5Wf5TYARJs7BovxFd+irLSA DlSehEMQfzergb3hsl90rW+HFxlw01CueQrkZpCKlRoHUxeoj3vimgpXBJRwjFDE ky2qhCSlFcjXEtqB6IBvPkzqd7lUK/lpv7VQzgsUrz6kS97l566sQTSILzF10mN2 NUT2CawCaU+69ZzR+oNwe6V8Yf1CWygIDYKnOiSpwRYsB6AV0kZcb5RKIYfDnNe7 FFjLsbg6L7LhQvvHHcs8CRkzjwo70sDI6kLOdUJvWPhyzuf4laam8L+tguTxrA96 2TUsMuG6Hi3WJVcUkabkx8J4D6yy3Pqep/scSgaqvwAr6VFJBh+KLg== =32Dc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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CNN's "Ian Goddard Plot"
by freematt＠coil.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Ian Goddard <igoddard(a)netkonnect.net> Subject: CNN's "Ian Goddard Plot" _________________________________________________ ( free to forward & copy nonprofit with attribute ) ------------------------------------------------- CNN's IAN GODDARD TWA 800 "PLOT" (c) 1997 Ian Williams Goddard I've tried to decisively extricate myself from my TWA 800 inquiry, but it seems that CNN and the gov't don't want me to go. CNN is spreading gross misinformation on television, indicating that I said my inquiry into TWA 800 was part of a "sham" and a "plot." That is FALSE!! I've always promoted what I believe, and now I believe promoting the Navy-missile theory was a big mistake! I believe that the evidence is not sufficient to blame the Navy and I wish to move away from that and all areas of conspiracy inquiry forever. But I never said my inquiries were a "plot" or a "sham." Christine Negroni with CNN contacted me a few days ago to ask about my change of direction, I did not contact her. CNN reports now suggest that I said my conspiracy inquiry was part of a "plot" (a secret scheme) to do damage to the government's reputation. That's 100% FALSE !! My only crime is honesty. I'm honest enough to admit, as I have for months, that my inquiry into TWA 800 was an effort to identify untruth in the government. I have a fact-based bias against government, I'm a libertarian. My webpage was entitled "Anti-Authoritarian Journal," identifying my bias up front, unlike most sources. Such up-front honesty is NOT a "plot," as CNN attempts to portray it. The fact is that anything that is labeled what it is up front is by definition NOT a plot. I'd say CNN has a bias for the gov't line, however, does CNN label its journalism "Authoritarian Journalism?" No. WITNESSES NOT MY FAULT I did not invent nor am I to blame for the fact that 150+ witnesses reported having seen something fly upwards and explode at the spot TWA 800 was. That there were such wit- nesses, up to 154, has been widely reported in the media. CNN just reported in reference to me: Joe Lychner of Houston, who lost his wife and two daughters in the crash, told CNN that Goddard and Salinger owe an explana- tion to the American public. The basis of the missile theory are the witnesses, and I did not invent the witnesses. If anyone owes America an explanation for the missile theory I think it's the wit- nesses, not me. All I did was report what they said and commit the error of theorizing that maybe that fiery thing shooting up was a Navy missile and the Navy is covering it up. I also did not invent the Navy-missile theory. My explanation for that theory is that the Navy is known to have many missiles and is known to be off- shore where the plane crashed. However, an inventory showed that all Navy missiles were accounted for... OK fine, I'm ready to move on, but it seems they aren't: National Transportation and Safety Board spokesman Peter Goelz told CNN that my re-reporting of witness accounts and theorizing that the Navy was at fault has done "real damage" and "caused innumerable people great agony." Wow! It seems I'm a human monster of immense proportions. I am sorry for that, yet it would seem that the fault lies in part and primarily with the major media for ever having reported the witness accounts in the first place. I then made the mistake of suggesting that the Navy may have been at fault and is covering it up, which I now see as a mistake, for I could be wrong and if I'm wrong I've impugned the reputations of America's finest, which is something I should not and do not now want to do, and for which having done in the past, I am very sorry. I don't know what happened to TWA 800, and at this point I don't care! I just want to be left alone and no longer harassed by the major media and others over the TWA 800 case. I'm sorry I thought the Navy did it. It was a mistaken thought. I'm sorry my thoughts have "caused innumerable people great agony." I'm a humani- tarian and have been a vegetarian for 19 years because I want NOT to cause suffering to any living being. CNN's "SECRET SCHEME" THEORY I've never published anything I thought was false. I even published errata notices when required. All claims I've made were meticulously referenced so that readers could check up on what I said for themselves. Providing not just referenced information and ideas but all the links necessary to access the larger body of information about the case is what made my reports so popular and what made this little guy the focus of world news. My plan has been to end my "war on the Establishment." Wanting to move on from conspiracy theory and set a new course, I asked Doctor David Stern, who hosts the DEEP TIMES webpage, to remove my conspiracy reports. However, due to CNN's misleading charges that I've admitted to having been engaged in a "plot" and thus that I will- fully attempted to mislead people to believe what I knew to be false, I have requested that David Stern temporarily replace all my reports so that people can judge for themselves if I was the liar CNN suggests. It will take David some time to get the reports back up, but when they are up you can access them directly at: http://www.copi.com/articles/Goddard or indirectly at: http://www.copi.com/articles/. Please check the first site within the next few days. _____________________________________________ Ian Goddard, now at <igoddard(a)netkonnect.net> ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt(a)coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor,1933 E. Dublin-Granville Rd.,#176, Columbus, OH 43229 Archived at http://www.reference.com/cgi-bin/pn/listarch?list=FA@coil.com **************************************************************************

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Re: Privacy Software
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Adam Back wrote: >Java isn't so bad. Just in time compilers are being shipped with >some browsers (netscape on some platforms). Sun now has native >bigint library (good for you know what, and exportable because they >haven't included the few lines required to implement public key >encryption with it). Okay, Java sounds pretty good. The native bigint library clinches it! >> While it may seem crazy to toss compatibility, it has some >> advantages. For instance, the only people who will use it are the >> hardcore types. I like the idea of an exclusive crypto system that >> only cool people who are fairly with it use. > >I think there would be advantages to always tunneling the encrypted >messages inside PGP, that way no snoops know you're using it, until >it's too late. Aside from political correctness issues, why not? It would also be nice to have an encrypted SMTP channel which happens to be riding on IPSEC. >> If the protocol doesn't accept multiple keys for a message it is >> slightly CAK/GAK resistent. And, it's a nice statement of intent. >> It's also nice to have tools which help you to behave securely >> without carefully thinking about it when you are using them. > >Forward secrecy is what you want for GAK resistance -- can't get much >more GAK hostile than burning your keys seconds after message >receipt. The more I think about the more the separation of authentication keys from communication keys seems like the way to go. If both parties can connect to each other's machines in real time, then a negotiated key which is discarded is great. More often everybody's offline, but that just means you have to publish many different communications keys, perhaps sorted by hours. (Given remailer lag you might have to keep communications keys around for a day or two after expiration, but that's not too bad.) >> The randseed.bin file has always bothered me. What we really want >> is some good sources of entropy in which we have tremendous >> confidence. > >What's wrong with the randseed.bin and the public and private key >rings is that they should all be encrypted with a key derived from >your passphrase. It's also complicated and hard to understand. The Right Thing (TM) is to simply solve the entropy problem correctly. >> >I wonder how good linux's /dev/urandom would be if MD5 becomes even >> >more suspect. >> >> Well, neither of these would be good for a one time pad, of course. > >Linux's /dev/random might not be bad. There is some real entropy in >key strokes and mouse movements, and they are quite conservative >about entropy estimation. You can easily make it more conservative >-- XOR together a load of it to derive a smaller key. The problem with computers generating entropy is that they are complicated machines which are designed to be deterministic. While it seems reasonable that keystrokes and mouse movements have some entropy, its hard to really convince yourself that there couldn't be patterns arising from the OS somehow. For example, maybe the sample times form weird patterns which are related to the scheduler. By all means this can be XORed in, but it seems dangerous to rely upon it if you are trying to be hardcore and use one time pads. >> It would be neat to have, say, three sources of hardware randomness >> and then XOR the result with the above pseudo random output. > >That'd be fine. Personally not being a hardware type, I am >suspicious of hardware RNGs.. I can't tell when they are going >wrong.. failure modes can be dangerous (whoops lead fell of geiger >tube), etc. Most plausible failure modes in hardware should be detectable with the usual tests for "randomness". >Software and computers are easier to understand. Provided you XOR >the lot together you should be fine though. Software and computers are highly complex devices and we don't truly understand every aspect of their operation. We can say it's unlikely that there are patterns in the bits they generate, but if we resorting to one time pads, it seems to me that the entropy question has to be nailed down completely. (Not that I have a good solution, yet. As you pointed out, one time pads consume a lot of entropy. It takes a long time to flip a coin 1.5 MB * 1024 bytes/MB * 8 bits/byte times!) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNGK7tpaWtjSmRH/5AQH1Rgf7BWVm8IsauXUry7vzL1Wiw/jlISKXO+q2 SWXOW0ce2jH1wKH+X3FbiONLYihzhp8UIvyn6FO7rVXHMdXoDXFVhrpyhbphcejM hokty69o1hQqLU9aX6z7OAA7Vjj2zKZXWc7U596UGkc0+G64qpJfh7kZoHY+Q332 uWMhEHu0AOnv9wGK9Fip4J4n/4jh/ob00VXXeTGG9peJ/AZBqtJMHV9tLW8Xu2EA Yc+zdUmk2jjSHvi2a/9u8NTsJapUVFiEaZ8+iQCZYeP8SG6oAsMmMb0rrCj1y+DK EtMt0rtC6jHGl8dag7zfZLpiIrl6mObMexbh5gAJ40Fb6Ei0HLbZ0g== =4BA0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Protocols for Insurance to Maintain Privacy
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Two ways to tell if the person has had the test: A) The company performing the test keeps track of everyone who has had it. This could be by some biometric ID, perhaps even a DNA fingerprint. B) The company performing the test marks people who have had it. They could have a harmless radioactive tracer injected. This would degrade after a while but it could be used to see if the test had been taken within some time interval. Both of these require that all companies able to issue the test cooperate and that there is no black market source of testing.

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[news] U.S. cyberterrorism report hit on encryption stance
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** U.S. cyberterrorism report hit on encryption stance The U.S. commission on critical infrastructure was criticized Wednesday for endorsing the Clinton administration's policy requiring government access to all private computer data. Sen. Patrick Leahy said key questions had been raised about costs and feasibility of so-called key recovery systems. "Until those significant questions are ... answered, we should be cautious in adopting grand key recovery encryption schemes that may exacerbate system vulnerabilities," Leahy said. The commission's report warned key telephone, power, water and financial systems were increasingly vulnerable to computer attack. For story http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=5804555-b01

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have your GAK. Mail me your CAK and we'll trade.

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Re: Govt. key escrow justification
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back wrote: > This is scary stuff... Clipper VI (or whatever number we're up to) in > the making. Expect a fresh onslaught of government master key > attempts from the US government based on this info war initiative. > Michael Wilson <0005514706(a)MCIMAIL.COM> forwards: > > In its formal recommendations, the commission urged the government to > > speed up pilot programs on key recovery, promote efforts to plan for > > implementing large-scale key recovery systems and encourage > > private-sector key recovery efforts. > And there it is, they now want to encourage private sector key > recovery. Now why would they want to do that, if they don't plan to > use it as an infrastructure. > Building central control in _anything_ is asking for trouble > in info war terms. Everything should be as distributed as possible, > to minimise scope of an attacker who compromises keys. InfoWar goes on all the time amongst the Heavy Hitters in governement and commerce. It's called politics and money. Scenario I: Bill Gate$ reads an article where US Federal LEA's are bragging to insider politicians about their history of using their snooping and InfoWar capacities to financially disrupt 'bad' governments and corporations. Bill Gate$ then hands his company's secret keys over to the government because he trusts them to settle their dispute with him in court, instead of just 'grabbing' his money via his secret keys. Scenario II: Bill Gate$ gives his company's secret keys to Lucky Green, who runs toward the site of the Cypherpunks physical meeting, shouting, "Party time! Party time!" BillyG walks back to the limo, muttering, "That Lucky sure has a good sense of humor...I hope!" > Law enforcement with the master keys to the whole country is a huge > risk. Some law enforcement key custodian will simply be bribed or > coerced for the key, and then they really will have an info war risk. The only thing security levels do is determine the end cost of compromising security. Do you have to bribe/coerce a janitor or an executive? > > Asked by the subcommittee's chairman, Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican, > > if those controls should be mandated, Marsh responded: "We think > > businessmen will find it in their best interest to incorporate these > > controls. ... Of course, in due time, that may be an option if they > > are not willing to accept them." Voluntary-Mandatory == Volmundatory ? GAK, GMR, ATP (Access to Toilet Plungers)...Cookies, Identity Tracking... What is going on is quite simply a battle for access to information. InoWar! Everybody wants access to the information of others, and to deny others access to their own information. Information is power, and power is kept by keeping the keys to that information. Corporations want to play footsie with the Government when it comes to getting access to all information and communications that pass through the self-defined borders of the Corporate Electromagnetic Curtain, but want to avoid being subject to total control within the borders of the Government's own self-defined ElectroMagnetic Curtain. The issues of power and control are the same as they have always been, but the Battle of the Bulge is now the Battle of the Byte. Government, Corporations, Organizations, Individuals...the players will be the same as in MeatSpace, and so will the issues and underlying concepts and ideals. Those seeking power and control will use the same tried-and-true methods, such as Divide and Conquer. "We don't want no 'nigger' data passing through our website. <---> We don't want no 'racist' data passing through our website." Chorus: <everybody sings together> "THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW!" The Government wants to seize contol of ElectroMagnetic Reality by appointing themselves as our Electronic Protectors. Corporations are fighting to use the new technologies to protect themselves, cutting the Government out of the power loop. Individuals _should_ be trying to do the same. Government has declared Crypto munitions for the same reason they increasingly declare Guns to be 'government-munitions'. Those who have no power to protect themselves are vulnerable to those who have _reserved_ that power for themselves. Crypto or Guns...it's all about power and control of CyberSpace and MeatSpace. MunitionsMonger

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BXA mtg in DC, 12/9/97
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In late September, I attended a meeting of the BXA's Regulations & Procedures Technical Advisory Committee in Portland (OR), where there was some discussion of crypto export control regulations, plans for changes to those regs, etc. There will be another meeting of that group on 12/9/97 at 9 AM in the (Herbert C., not J. Edgar) Hoover Building, Room 3884, between Pennsylvania & Constitution Avenues, NW, in Washington DC. The agenda is: 1. Opening remarks by the Chairperson. 2. Presentation of papers or comments by the public. 3. Update on the encryption regulation. 4. Update on the Wassenaar Arrangement implementation regulation. 5. Discussion on the "deemed export" issue. 6. Discussion on the Enhanced Proliferation Control Initiative and the continued publication of Entities of Concern. 7. Update on the Automated Export System. 8. Discussion on efforts to conform the Foreign Trade Statistics Regulations and the Export Administration Regulations on export clearance requirements. [Closed session] 9. Discussion of matters properly classified under Executive Order 19958, dealing with U.S. export control program and strategic criteria related thereto. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | Export jobs, not crypto. http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | http://www.parrhesia.com

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[Fwd: Re: [RePol] Donations Received]
by Six 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This was sent through EFGA's Georgia Cracker Remailer, but seems to have gotten 'lost' in the remail. Go figure... To: remailer(a)anon.efga.org Subject: Re: [RePol] Donations Received From: TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:24:00 -0600 Organization: "It's not FUD until *I* say it's FUD!" References: <3.0.3.32.19971105220233.03538154(a)rboc.net> Reply-To: tm(a)dev.null :: Anon-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Robert A. Costner wrote: > > This week Electronic Frontiers Georgia (EFGA) found donations in our > mailbox for the first time. I'd like to thank those of you who have sent > us your support. As you know, EFGA has no endowment or source of income. I was rather surprised when I received a plea for donations from these people via my subscription to a suicide survivors mailing list. Likewise when my 10 year old daughter mentioned receiving one through her 4H Club mailing list. Upon asking others at work, I found that these people have been sending their requests to millions of people, through every conceivable internet forum, and that quite a few of the recipients had been taken in, and sent them donations. In the interests of stopping this obvious scam, I have founded a group dedicated to wiping out this kind of fraud on the internet, starting with the scum at the EFGA. If you are interested in contributing to our effort, send donations to: Electronic Fraud Fighters (EFF) Box 281, Bienfait, Saskatchewan CANADA S0C 0M0 or email me at: TruthMistress <tm(a)dev.null> > If we raise $2,000 we will be getting a new > server. If we raise $900, we will be doing upgrades on the current machine. > The address again is > > Electronic Frontiers Georgia > Suite A-205 > 4780 Ashford Dunwoody Road > Atlanta, GA 30338 > > For membership info, http://www.efga.org/about/membership.html

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FTC Making It's Move / FTC, Canada, Mexico officials launch "health claim surf day"
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh wrote: > [From Nov 5 Natural Healthline. --Declan] > by Michael Evers > The Federal Trade Commission recently joined with public health and > consumer protection and information agencies from the United States, > Canada, and Mexico to "surf" the Internet for potentially false or > deceptive advertising claims concerning treatments or cures for heart > disease, cancer, AIDS, diabetes, arthritis, and multiple sclerosis. TruthMonger Terrestrial Translation: The FTC, fearing loss of its dictatorial powers over the information that citizens are allowed and not allowed to access, wants the citizens to do its legwork for them so that they can step forward to 'save' us all from people who use herbs instead of nuclear radiation to maintain their health. You remember the FTC, don't you? They are those wonderfolks who gave us the 'mainstream media' that used the citizen's airwaves to read us the spoon-fed government propaganda during the Gulf War. In other news: That pesky Sadaam Hussein is acting up again, as he always does during US elections. Funny how the Democrats always come out of wars with Sadaam looking bad, and CIA-backed Republicans always come out looking good. Note to Clinton: You're a Democrat. If you try to show-off in the Gulf, all of your helicopters are going to crash. TruthMonger

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Re: [SURVEY try again] pgp5.x / pgp2.x users
by ulf＠fitug.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

20 % of the users who have posted digitally signed messages that are available in my news spool (international and local newsgroups and mailing lists) use PGP 5. The sample contains 545 unique e-mail addresses. YMMV. S/MIME Cryptographic Signature 10 Version: 2.3a 1 Version: 2.6.1 1 Version: 2.6.2 68 Version: 2.6.2, by FileCrypt 1.0 2 Version: 2.6.2i 5 Version: 2.6.3 4 Version: 2.6.3a 8 Version: 2.6.3i 37 Version: 2.6.3ia 278 Version: 2.6.3ig 1 Version: 2.6.3in 9 Version: 2.7.1 2 Version: 4.5 6 Version: Cryptix 2.2.2 2 Version: Cryptix 2.21 3 Version: Cryptix 2.3.0 1 Version: PGP 5.0i 1 Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 12 Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 86 Version: PGPfreeware 5.0 Charset: noconv 1 Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use 7

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Ooops....!
by Dirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

That should have been cypherpunks-request(a)toad.com ... SH** sorry ... It's coffee buzz... *shake* ---------------------------------- Dirko van Schalkwyk Dead Engineers Society E-Mail: meddle(a)adept.co.za Date: 11/07/97 Time: 01:28:37 ----------------------- Movie Quotes for Willow (1988) ----------------------- Sorsha: What are you looking at? Madmartigan: Your leg. I'd like to break it. ------------- All of the following stolen from selected poeple mailing to the AfterStep mailing list ----------------------- Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly.It just happens to be very selective about who it decides to make friends with. ----------------------- Windows95 (noun): 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition

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plugin to sell digital files in cyberspace announced!!
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

wow, I have been thinking that netscape/microsoft would put something like this in their browser and that this would kickstart the microcurrency market. however, it sounds like someone has preempted them for the moment and built a plugin. this is an extremely significant development imho. I don't know how credible they are (the notice was spam) but it's a step in the right direction, and the creation of a whole new market I predict. Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 06:28:47 EST To: InternetUser(a)The.Net Subject: Turn your web-site into a pay-per-view site free in 10min! Reply-To: powerit(a)venus.t-1net.com I-vendor is offering a freeware version of a software plug-in that allows anyone to sell digital files such as photos, programs, text based information etc. from any web site. You don't have to be a company, you don't have to have credit card facilities, you don't have to do anything fancy with your web site - just convert your files, put them on your site and wait for the monthly checks. The software works with Window 3.x & 95 and current versions of Netscape and Internet Explorer - full instructions for use are provided. - - --- Visit http://members.aol.com/ivendor/index.htm to download the freeware plug-in and information pack. - ------- End of Forwarded Message ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Re: [Fwd: Re: [RePol] Donations Received]
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Six wrote: > This was sent through EFGA's Georgia Cracker Remailer, but seems to > have gotten 'lost' in the remail. > Go figure... Perhaps they objected to you not using your Government approved 'Prisoner of Citizenship' name.

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new lanl patent?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: blacklodge.c2.net: majordom set sender to owner-cryptography(a)c2.org using -f From: proff(a)iq.org Date: 6 Nov 1997 06:35:37 -0000 To: cryptography(a)c2.net Subject: new lanl patent? Sender: owner-cryptography(a)c2.net From: "Jongsma, Ken (NM75)" <ken.jongsma(a)das.honeywell.com> Date: 24 Oct 1997 10:32:24 -0600 Subject: Hiding In Plain Sight from the Oct 20 Aviation Week: "Researchers at Los ALimos National Laboratory have patented a new software technique that can hide secret information in the electronic "noise" associated with the transmission of data and electronic images. Called "data embedding," the method allows classified data to be stored and transferred in open transmissions and can serve as an "electronic watermark" to prevent unauthorized manipulation of digital images and other information, according to Ted Handel, project leader. The software can be used on a desktop personal computer and consumes only 512 kilobytes of memory, less than most word processing programs. It is written in "C" computer language which conforms to virtually any digital storage medium. Overall document length can remain the same." Aside from the obvious errors in the story, do you suppose that someone ought to clue the patent office in that steganography has existed for quite a while now? If anyone would like to research the patent and report back, it would be interesting to see what is so unique that the could get a patent on it. -- ken.jongsma(a)das.honeywell.com 505 828-5876 Voice 505 828-5500 Fax --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: Hughes Markets? (Was Re: Copyright commerce and the street musician protocol)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: hutchinson(a)click.ncri.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:52:30 -0500 To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> From: hutchinson(a)ncri.com (Art Hutchinson) Subject: Re: Hughes Markets? (Was Re: Copyright commerce and the street musician protocol) Cc: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: hutchinson(a)ncri.com (Art Hutchinson) Robert Hettinga wrote: >A whole bunch of people are now talking about these cash-settled recursive >auction processes, and they're a direct, and now obvious, consequence of >bearer (or at least instant) settlement markets for information on geodesic >networks. When you add anonymity to the transaction, you pretty much have >the final straw for "rights" tracking. Watermarks just tell you who the >information was stolen from, for instance. So, one more industrial >information process bites the dust. Whoa! Hang on here. Sure, watermarks will tell you who information was stolen from, but they're just a stalking horse... a weak second cousin to *persistent* content control technologies (such as IBM's Cryptolopes and Intertrust's Digiboxes). These allow rightsholders to manage a wide range of parameters (including price, usage context, and any other variable for which you can imagine having a certificate). Whats fundamentally different about what are generically referred to as secure envelopes, is that they can maintain controls *indefinitely* (persistence), across an un- known, ad hoc, web of distribution over which one otherwise has no control. And yes, this can all work even in a completely disconnected environment (laptop at 35,000 feet). They allow rightsholders, if they so choose, to *continue* being rights- holders in a highly networked, digital world, and in a wide range of new ways, based on entirely new (or old) business models, that take advantage of rich/elaborate conditions for usage (e.g. you can view this picture anonymously, but it will cost you 2X as much, and you can only get it at low resolution, and you can't view it at all unless you can prove that you don't live in the Middle East). No certificate for these conditions? Sorry, no content. They are based the same basic stuff (public key cryptography of course) that *can* fuel wild anarchic visions of anonymous exchange. ;) But they aren't at all deterministic of any particular economic model. Regards, - Art Art Hutchinson hutchinson(a)ncri.com Northeast Consulting Resources, Inc. phone: (617) 654-0635 One Liberty Square fax: (617) 654-0654 Boston, MA 02160 www.ncri.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Working at the intersection of business and IT strategy to help organizations embrace electronic commerce opportunities" For help on using this list (especially unsubscribing), send a message to "dcsb-request(a)ai.mit.edu" with one line of text: "help". --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Jam Six
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jam Six Six

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