December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

CABLE descrambler plans!
by builders＠firstgear.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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AT&T Research "Crowds" -- Perl web anonymity proxy -- needs users
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It has a screwy "non-commercial use only, AT&T gets everything, you get nothing" license, but otherwise it looks interesting. John From: Avi Rubin <rubin(a)research.att.com> John, You may remember that at Crypto, I described the Crowds system to you. The system is now robust and up and running, and we have ported it to windows and unix platforms, so just about anyone should be able to use it. In fact, if there is such a thing as Perl for macintosh, I'm sure it would work on that platform too. We are very interested in getting more users of our system. As it is intended to provide privacy to web users, I thought that perhaps it is something that you and EFF would be interested in. Do you think you could put a link to the Crowds page on the EFF web site? Anything else you can do to help increase the usage would be great, because our system has the property that the more poeple use it, the more secure it is. Let me know if you have any questions. The Crowds page is: http://www.research.att.com/projects/crowds Thanks, Avi -- ********************************************************************* Aviel D. Rubin rubin(a)research.att.com Secure Systems Research Dept. Adjunct Professor at NYU AT&T Labs - Research 180 Park Avenue http://www.research.att.com/~rubin/ Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 Voice: +1 973 360-8356 USA FAX: +1 973 360-8809 --> Check out http://www.clark.net/pub/mjr/websec/ for a new book on web security (The Web Security Sourcebook). *********************************************************************

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RE: Search engines and https
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I suspect this is just a hangover from the earlier days of the Web (1993-1994) when it seemed to me that a lot of Web content was repurposed from other sources (gopher, FTP, Telnet -- the old "page after page of links"). I suspect that http://-only indexing occurred so that the early search engines could manage the amount and types of data indexed. The other aspects are that: * https:// can be significantly slower to server off of a smaller server (http:// giving OK performance, but https:// being a dog), which may prevent some from serving more content via https://; and * Many of us find being your own Certificate Authority makes for greater security, as you never have to let your private keys out the door, but only recently have the tools for creating and maintaining Certificate Authorities and server certificates become really commercialized (i.e. GUI front ends, available from Netscape and Microsoft, etc.) These aspects, I think, have combined to reduce the number of pages served by https://, such that the search engine vendors probably haven't been bugged very much to index https:// pages. I expect this to change. > ========================================================== > Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics > fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN > "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is > 'Don't Tread on Me'" >

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Re: Factor a 2048 bit number
by Peter trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Someone styling themselves as "Monty Cantsin" writes: >This number is the product of two large primes: >[big number deleted] >Yet, I believe that an enterprising individual will be able to factor >it. >Monty Cantsin If your belief has any basis in reality, I'd like to hear what it is. Schneier gives estimates for factoring 2048 bit numbers using both the General Number Field Sieve and the Special Number Field Sieve. SNFS is by far the fastest, and with that it would take 4*10^14 MIPS-years. All of the computer power expended in the RSA Symmetric Key Challenges (DES, RC5-56, etc) up to this point amount to, generously, 10^7 MIPS-years. This is only one forty-millionth of power needed. It's been said that 'Those who will not do arithmetic are doomed to speak nonsense.' You are proving the truth of this. RSA has a substantial prize for factoring much smaller numbers. It's estimated, for example, that RSA-155 (about 512 bits), could be factored in 500,000 MIPS-years. Peter Trei ptrei(a)hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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It seemed like a good idea at the time...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It was a pretty simple plan. First, I stripped naked and painted myself blue. Then, I stood on my head and started sending posts to the CypherPunks list. Soon, I would be declared 'The Craziest Fucker on the InterNet' and be the host of talk-shows across the nation. Letterman, Leno, Springer-- they would all be begging for my presence on their programs. Little did I realize that my outrageous, insane offerings would be trumped, time and time again, by seemingly average folks who held down 'day jobs' in the heart of the mainstream computer industry. Despite the widespread media coverage given to the homeless people who wander the streets of America, babbling nonsensically to all who will listen, as a result of the government abandoning the funding of homes for the mentally ill and turning them out into the street...the media is obviously ignoring the 'success stories' of those who have managed to work their way into the heart of the computer industy, advancing their corporate status by mandating compliance with offically approved vaporware, and substituting membership in the CypherPunks mailing list for their previous mind-distorting medications. If it wasn't for Bill Stewart and Bill Frantz constantly referring to me as 'that *normal* guy', I "could'a been a contend'a." TruthMonger

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Online Success Direct E-Mail: Get Paid to Advertise!
by marmac＠online-success.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Almost a good case for censorship
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw something in the supermarket that made me almost wish for censorship. The current issue of the Weekly Worldwide News has a picture of Jane Reno is a swim suit. Be afraid. Be very afraid. --- | "That'll make it hot for them!" - Guy Grand | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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3rd Great Awakening
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> X-within-URL: http://www.fourthturning.com/html/third_great_awakening.html > The Third Great Awakening (Second Turning, 1886-1908), began with the > Haymarket Riot and the student missionary movement, rose with agrarian > protest and labor violence, and climaxed in Bryans revivalist > candidacy (in 1896). Gilded Age realism came under harsh attack from > trust-blasting muckrakers, Billy Sunday evangelicals, new woman > feminists, and chautauqua dreamers. After radicalizing and splitting > the Progressive movement, the passion cooled when William Howard Taft > succeeded Teddy Roosevelt in the White House.

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Re: FCPUNX:Tim plans to kill a federal judge
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:10 PM 11/14/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: > By the way, the same can be said about the work of Heidegger, a thinker who > has had some influence on me. Whenever I cite anything Heidegger ever said, > I can count on some numbskull to parrot the "Heidegger was a Nazi" shtick. Probably because Heidegger *was* a Nazi, who pranced around in full drag Nazi uniform and sent certain of his colleagues to the concentration camps. To very crudely oversimplify the relationship between Heideggers philosophy and Nazism, it goes like this. No objective, only the intersubjective, therefore the community defines reality, therefore truth is merely relative to the community. Yeah, I know it is more complex than that, but it still boils down to debates being resolved by hanging people from the ceiling with piano wire rather than by appeal to the external world. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Search engines and https
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While trying to submit the cypherpunks.to website to a few search engines, I noticed that none of them seems to support indexing of https URL's. Is anybody here aware of a search engine that indexes secure web pages? And if there is no such search engine, what are the thoughts on using https to deliberately keep pages out of indices? Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP v5 encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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Billboards as Sight Bites
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Duncan Frissell wrote: >Tim May wrote: >> It's time to "Just Say No" to the U.N. The John Birch Society makes >> more sense every day. > >US out of the UN and UN out of the US. Yup, seen the billboard. Evidently the JBS is starting a new billboard campaign on December 1st calling for the impeachment of Clinton. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHMDvOFWwZe05jcJAQF88Af9HdeeJWJ6hIzFN2gnBmF7bXtPg+MDWXqr K1GnOaqE+Vt5+GfJ19s4gnYBJwkGStlcVrN3sZDHyMIO5Ok0Zzov9NCCoO0TI4Vu DOEHM3qCnJLG/kfh2fa3GPJAFYxUH6uHyscu+yxhEmlx1AaL+a+A3aGn1nHaODu7 v1bkezS2zHRJ2778Q9kz5UzC7YcPjhIo7bGnxM0Thr/vb3X9o6N0OxzYckuy1WZg e3o2vKsqmOJN+bgIed8+K695zH2suymP5xpou22LGpkkVz8BHKHXKVkrGc/IOEMD c1LmPJjBLHZ32Iw1gifVRaPkfMQzY/gID/p90s3zCGSqQrZjPeArZw== =R7y5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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News from Music Boulevard
by http://www.musicblvd.com/ 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Disposable Remailers
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jonathan Wienke wrote: >Woodwose (who appears to have borrowed my last name for his "True Name") >appears to have done a variation of this--except that if there are >complaints about messages being sent from woodwose(a)mailexcite.com, I doubt >anything will happen other than the woodwose account at mailexcite.com >being closed. Hence, his "disposable remailer" claim. Any shmuck can log >on and input a fake name, address, and demographic data to create a new >account at hotmail, mailexcite, or juno. In this way, as existing >remailers are harassed out of existence, new ones can be created on a daily >or hourly basis. It would probably be interesting to find out how much >info these outfits collect (cookies, etc.) that could be definitively >linked to a True Name. I played around with Hotmail recently, and I didn't pick up any new cookies in my cookies file. The only distinguishing information that Hotmail seems to collect (aside from the demographic info you feed them when you open an account) is the IP address you log in from. A public proxy is sufficient to shield your IP address. I created the account from one IP address and sent the email during a separate session from another IP address. The X-Originating-IP header showed only the second address. I don't know if Hotmail keeps track of all IP addresses that access each account. Question: can anyone suggest some information/studies regarding the security of public proxies? Thanks. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHJtpeFWwZe05jcJAQElEQf+MbBbTWtbiRnekJ9jIyyaTfDX3s2KV8Qm jGERIyCBF1OcZ1l35ZMm0xGKOCpGAWOBZVs/1zHzgTKB6Pxk0UZIP8+2nRmS4Dqt 7AxXa4zufVl9xVgWirCab86MvmTIrDlOdga8YZKS2h4RzLPPvo/ZySUqgjUzH0g2 y2LzKGv5KqxkgY/rRIg95I9Doqwg0iRsN2ieVXqI9E//+ZByAQpopLIADcDus4Ez UGFl6P1Ix8eLr2DBeg6nLRS84cTJs6MqAiQsHPaKUAHkS72bgv1t5lTxPcMtt6ah NK5bJfs9HEY20RXtN2kASXBkGjAzC2LMNIZ0heqmJRB471AZ4j30lg== =FOsD -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:27 PM 11/18/97 -0600, William H. Geiger III wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >In <3.0.16.19971118231927.0dc71f6e(a)pop.mindspring.com>, on 11/18/97 > at 11:34 PM, Mikhael Frieden <mikhaelf(a)mindspring.com> said: >>At 06:53 PM 11/18/97 -0600, William H. Geiger III wrote: >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>I think that there is plenty of case law of extending constutional >>>protections to non-citizens. One that comes to mind were the rulings >>>against California inwhich the courts ruled the they were obligated to >>>provide schooling and social services to illegal aliens (a really fucked >>>rulling IMNSHO but if some good can come out of it no sense not making use >>>of it). >> In a much more fundamental sense, if they were not given >>constitutional protections they really could be rounded up and bussed >>across the border. >And this would be a BadThing(TM)?? It would be a good thing. But the former was postulating civil rights to medical care and such. I mentioned constitutional rights. Once they are here they here they are entitled to a fair trial before being kicked out. And as to bail, if they are illegally here, what is possibly the risk of flight? To Mexico? Is not that the point? That is why the INS gives them a trial date and releases them as they must be treated as right-protected citizens. And the objection to release is fleeing juristidiction under the law. It is a Catch-22. Cheech being born in East LA to the contrary not withstanding. The movie protested reality after it was gone. (If it was Chong, the facts do not change.) -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:39 PM 11/18/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >At 9:58 PM -0700 11/18/97, William H. Geiger III wrote: > >>Well at one time there was a demand for cheap labor by US industry that >>supported the infux of immagrents. In modern times their is no such demand >>( if there were we have plenty of bums on welfare that can fill this need) > >This is actually not the case. I live between Santa Cruz and Salinas and >Monterey, home to some of the most fertile soil in the world (most of the >lettuce, strawberries, artichokes, and other vegetables consumed in the >U.S. is/are grown within 30 miles of me). Every day I see stoop laborers, >up from Jalisco or Michuchan or other provinces, glad to make more in a few >months here than they make in a few years back in Mexico. > >And every day I see bums, drifters, winos, layabouts, and derelicts, >holding up their pathetic "Will work for food" signs. (Which are lies, of >course. Anyone trying to get some decent work out of these bums will find >zilch.) > >I saw a great bumper sticker on the back of a truck filled with spray >painting gear. Driven by a black guy, interesting enough. It said: > >"I _do_ work for food." Which is precisely the issue. The US was and is dedicated to people who will do what they can without restriction. I'll take 38 wetback greasers who will work and escort every bum to the Mexican border and be proud to call those beaners Americans. (Did I overdo the namecalling?) Just because those folks south of the border get their jollies producing a dozen kids does not obligate me in the least. If they produce productive people, fine. If they once show up in the frigging welfare line, I'll show them the way to Mexico City not San Jose. ONLY if they HATE welfare and public services are they welcome. If there were such a filter at the border that worked both ways I would have it. This is not pie in the sky platitudes. We do not live in the sky. This is reality. It is real nasty down here. Wishes are not fact. Piety ain't jack shit. I appreciate the woman's desire for the best treatment for her child at the moment of birth. But for the long term, if they like the US system so damned much let them institute it in Mexico. If they want the benefits of the US system them duplicate it in Mexico. Do not ever pretend to wanting the best of both worlds where you can have two digit offspring in Mexico and the US has to pay for it. We need to get the message to them, that if you can't keep your fly shut and your legs crossed the US is not liable for your prurient interests, period, next question, over. We do not give a rat's ass how many Vatican approved babies you produce. your recourse is not in the US. If their damned economic system will not support them, that is not the responsibility of the US and do not really give a rat's ass if there are automatic weapons that kill on sight at the border. The US did not create Mexico's problems, Mexico did. If they need guns to correct it, they know where to get them. If they like the Mexican system (and we know they do) and want to use the US, reload those border guns. >>but there is a demand for cheap votes. The current Statest have been >>watching their power base erroding over the years as more and more >>Americans refuse to beleive thier socialist lies. The only way that they >>can continue in power is to import new voters who are easier to hoodwink >>and cheaper to buy. Confermation of this policy can be seen in the >>behavior of the INS durring the last election cycle where large numbers of >>immigrants were naturalized before the elections. >By the way, this massive purchase of votes is now being rolled back. >Immigration is planning to reverse many of these "instant citizenship" >deals. Too late to have an effect on Clinton's '96 election, but nothing >could have saved Dole. Fornicate Dole and the elephant he rode in on. The vote needs be a quid pro quo other than birth and living. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:52 PM 11/18/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >At 10:17 PM -0700 11/18/97, Colin A. Reed wrote: >>I think the most important constitutional protection is that of >>due-process. Thus we need to have a court proceeding to determine that >>they really are in the US without a valid visa before we can bus them out. >It's called a "Green Card," popularly. >(Remember those, "Aliens, remember that you must report to the Alien >Landing Terminal every January.") >No court proceeding is needed to deport illegal aliens, save for a >perfunctory classification hearing to determine whether or not they have a >Green Card. "Minor" point here. They are required to return on the hearing date after arrainment. Would you care to guess just how many illegals appear for the hearing? Can you tell the difference between legals and illegals? and if so how? -=-=- The difference between Wiesenthal and Zundel is the latter does not charge $90,000US a year to use his name.

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[Fwd: *DLS Lecture -Robert Morris - NSA - Tomorrow*]
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:31:13 -0500 From: Richard Lethin <lethin(a)etcons.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: [Fwd: *DLS Lecture -Robert Morris - NSA - Tomorrow*] Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Richard Lethin <lethin(a)etcons.com> Return-Path: <bbarry(a)hq.lcs.mit.edu> Received: from life.ai.mit.edu (life.ai.mit.edu [128.52.32.80]) by deer-park.etcons.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10234 for <lethin(a)etcons.com>; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:34:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from LCS.MIT.EDU (mintaka.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.36]) by life.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/AI1.15/ai.master.life:1.18) with SMTP id KAA24223; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:18:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hq.lcs.mit.edu by MINTAKA.LCS.MIT.EDU id aa27207; 19 Nov 97 10:18 EST Received: from [18.49.0.239] (bronte-mac.lcs.mit.edu) by hq.lcs.mit.edu (4.1/NSCS-1.0S) id AA15548; Wed, 19 Nov 97 10:18:30 EST Message-Id: <v03020905b098a38d820a(a)[18.49.0.239]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:17:47 -0400 To: seminar(a)ai.mit.edu, seminars(a)lcs.mit.edu, help-teach(a)lcs.mit.edu, assistants(a)ai.mit.edu, mas-students(a)media.mit.edu, support(a)media.mit.edu, eecsfaculty(a)eecs.mit.edu, dchamber(a)warren.med.harvard.edu, wmurphy(a)mediaone.net, Kenneth_Burrell/CAM/Lotus(a)lotus.com, vijak(a)eecs.harvard.edu, CMCampos(a)aol.com, Stephanie_Leung(a)cmp4.ccmail.compuserve.com From: Barbara Barry <bbarry(a)hq.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: *DLS Lecture -Robert Morris - NSA - Tomorrow* (Please excuse multiple posts) *SEMINAR ANNOUNCEMENT ****************************** MIT Lab for Computer Science Distinguished Lecturer Series Thursday, November 20, 1997 Lecture, 3:30pm Location 34-101 Refreshments, 3:15pm 50 Vassar Street, Cambridge Robert Morris, National Security Agency, Retired Protection of Valuable Information Over the past few decades, there has been a considerable shift in the area of protection and exploitation of valuable information. In the past, the relevant skills were exercised by governments to protect or exploit military and diplomatic information. Nowadays, much of the interest in information protection is by individuals wishing to protect their privacy and by organizations wishing to protect their financial interests. Here are the questions that come up that are worth some thought: - does the breakup of the Soviet Union significantly reduce the exploitation of U.S. Government information? - has the world wide spread of ATMs (Automatic Teller Machines) led to a great deal of electronic theft - and, if so how are they protected? - is cryptography more important than careful handling of information and is cryptanalysis more important than burglary, bribery, and blackmail? Host: Ron Rivest *************************************************** for the DLS season schedule check out http://www.lcs.mit.edu/web_project/dls97.html *************************************************** --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Why Does the CAUCE Oppose Privacy and Anonymity? (was: Re: RESULT: com
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

krueger(a)cs.umn.edu (Alan Krueger) wrote: > >>ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes: > >> > >>>Anonymity has value that is greater than the value of CAUCE. > > > >Could someone help a rookie here? What's CAUCE and how does > >it relate to anonymity. > > It doesn't, per se, but a number of people choose to believe that. CAUCE > is the Coalition Against Unsolicted Commercial Email and supports the > banning of such unsolicited advertisements. See their web page at > http://www.cauce.org/ for more information. > > The yelling is about the proposed (now ratified) robo-moderation policy > for the *newsgroup* to discuss CAUCE issues, comp.org.cauce, which requires > that you post with a deliverable email address. This was supposed to > keep belligerant spammers and trolls from posting to the group without > having some kind of valid contact address. This was not supposed to be > anti-privacy, anti-munging, or anti-anonymity, though that is what seems > to be the big issue many people were having with it. That makes about as much sense as holding a rally to protest auto theft and requiring that each attendee leave his car UNLOCKED in the parking lot while attending. In this case, the price of admission to this "anti-UCE party" is to contribute one's e-mail address to the UCErs' mailing lists! And what, exactly, is the point of requiring "belligerant spammers and trolls" to post with a valid e-mail address? Unless they're planning to spam or mailbomb each other, they are the ones who have the least to fear from publicly broadcasting their e-mail addresses on a worldwide NG for the address harvesters to collect and exploit.

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PGP 5.5 Freeware
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: wprice(a)mail.pgp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:42:57 -0800 To: thomassr(a)erols.com From: Will Price <wprice(a)pgp.com> Subject: PGP 5.5 Freeware Cc: mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com Sender: <mac-crypto(a)vmeng.com> Precedence: Bulk Yes, a freeware version of 5.5 for Mac and Win32 will be available later today from the PGP, Inc. website. Since Linux 5.5 isn't ready yet, we're distributing source for diffs between PGP 5.0i b8 up to the final 5.0 UNIX release. Meanwhile, all the source to the Win32 and Mac versions of 5.5.2 is about to go to press. The version number of the freeware going up today is 5.5.2 as we've had a couple free updates since the main release of 5.5 Business Security. The freeware version contains information on exactly what the differences are between the Freeware, Personal Privacy, and Business Security editions of the product. -Will At 2:48 AM -0800 11/19/97, Tom Vier wrote: >> PGP 5.5 is available now, is fully compatible with MacOS 8.X, and has >> orders of magnitude more features and speed than FileCrypt. > >is there going to be a freeware version? what about source for >linux systems? Will Price, Architect/Sr. Mgr. Pretty Good Privacy, Inc. 555 Twin Dolphin Dr, Ste.570 Redwood Shores, CA 94065 Direct (650)596-1956 Main (650)572-0430 Fax (650)631-1033 Pager (310)247-6595 wprice(a)pgp.com Internet Text Paging: <mailto:1333485@roam.pagemart.net> <pgpfone://clotho.pgp.com> <http://www.pgp.com> PGPkey: <http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x5797A80B> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Clinton Sells Arlington Burials
by Jonathan Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I just heard on the news that Bill Clinton has been selling the right to be buried in Arlington National Cemetery (and possibly other military cemeteries) to campaign contributors. The story originally broke in the latest edition of Insight magazine yesterday. I think our Maximum Leader has stooped to a new level of sleaze, and deserves the revulsion of veterans everywhere. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQA/AwUBNHMPxsJF0kXqpw3MEQLhzwCfQaz1SSmxZQiAIDimCxUMpBP3cF8AoMv2 WQwxTE9cSYfjt+HVE5LElVfI =Z7kj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Jonathan Wienke PGP Key Fingerprints: 7484 2FB7 7588 ACD1 3A8F 778A 7407 2928 3312 6597 8258 9A9E D9FA 4878 C245 D245 EAA7 0DCC "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams "Stupidity is the one arena of of human achievement where most people fulfill their potential." -- Jonathan Wienke Never sign a contract that contains the phrase "first-born child." RSA export-o-matic: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Actually, many studies have found that immigrants, legal and illegal, make a net positive contribution to the economy, even considering their access to government services. Anyone who has worked with these people knows that most of them work harder than native born Americans. Even aside from the strictly economic balance sheets, giving these people the opportunity to succeed in a free country is a significant moral benefit which must count in favor of free immigration. They also serve to make our country more multi-cultural, with greater awareness and appreciation of the value of alternate customs and lifestyles. We develop "hybrid vigor", as our culture is cross fertilized by elements from all around the world. The result is an incredibly dynamic and flexible culture, which is why the United States will continue to be a world leader for the next century. Of course, this gift of diversity causes immigrants to be hated and feared by racists such as Tim May, who sees them only as targets to mock with threats of murder: > Ironically, the authorities are refusing to enforce the immigration laws. > This is why the militias here in California have been forced to deal with > illegal immigrants in the only way left to them. (There's a hunt in > Imperial Valley this coming Saturday.)

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OECD E-Commerce web
by Jyri Kaljundi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I don't remember if it was already mentioned, but the OECD E-Commerce conference is also being broadcast using Realaudio/Realvideo by EUNet. The web page is at http://www.turku.eu.net/ (And the official conference web is at: http://www.oecd.org/dsti/iccp/e-comm/index.htm ) Jyri Kaljundi jk(a)stallion.ee AS Stallion Ltd http://www.stallion.ee/

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1st Great Awakening
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> X-within-URL: http://www.fourthturning.com/html/great_awakening.html > The Great Awakening (Second Turning, 1727-1746) began as a spiritual > revival in the Connecticut Valley and reached an hysterical peak in > the northern colonies (in 1741) with the preachings of George > Whitefield and the tracts of Jonathan Edwards. The enthusiasm split > towns and colonial assemblies, shattered the old light > establishment, and pitted young believers in faith against elder > defenders of works. After bursting polite conventions and lingering > Old World social barriers, the enthusiasm receded during King Georges > War.

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Rep. Smith on Lifting Crypto Export Ban
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Congressional Record: November 13, 1997 (Extensions)] ON LIFTING THE ENCRYPTION EXPORT BAN ______ HON. ADAM SMITH of washington in the house of representatives Thursday, November 13, 1997 Mr. ADAM SMITH of Washington. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about an issue that is very important to me--lifting unfair export controls on encryption technology. Mr. Speaker, protecting our National Security interests is among my highest priorities. If I thought controlling encryption exports worked toward this end, I would be its strongest proponent. Unfortunately, export controls on encryption software simply disadvantage the United States software industry. Under current law the United States allows only 40 bit encryption codes to be exported, although software companies sell encryption codes of up to 128 bits everywhere in the United States. Forty bit encryption technology is so elementary, it took a graduate student a mere 3\1/2\ hours to break a code last January. Fifty-six bit encryption is 65,000 times more difficult to decode than 10 bit encryption and it only took students three months to break the encryption code. One hundred twenty eight bit encryption has not been broken yet. Naturally, foreign companies do not want to buy 40 bit encryption software, because it is so vulnerable and insecure. The possibilities for ``computer hackers'' to break into the system and wreak havoc are enormous and dangerous. Therefore, foreign companies are purchasing high-level encryption from foreign software providers instead of American ones. The international demand for encryption software is growing exponentially because of the tremendous rise in electronic commerce. For instance, German Economics Minister, Guenter Rexrodt, said, ``Users can only protect themselves against having data manipulated, destroyed, or spied on by strong encryption procedures * * *. That is why we have to use all of our powers to promote such procedures instead of blocking them.'' Our export restraint has not kept the technology from proliferating. It has merely allowed foreign producers of strong encryption technology to fill the vacuum. In fact, American companies are partnering with foreign firms to distribute their software--taking jobs and revenue with them. American-owned Sun Computers has recently joined with a Russian software company to avoid the U.S. export ban and sell to foreign markets. Foreign companies can also purchase American-produced 40 bit encryption technology and upgrade it in their own countries to 128 bit encryption technology. This ``add-on'' industry is among the fastest growing software industries in Europe today. Clearly, if someone wants high-level encryption technology, he or she can easily obtain it. The ability to obtain both powerful and affordable encryption will now become easier with recent developments in Canada. The Canadian Government includes encryption software in decontrolling mass market software under the Generic Software Note. This means any software sold over-the-counter, by mail or on the phone may be exported without limits. Entrust, a Canadian software company, is freely marketing and selling internationally a 128 bit encryption program right now. It sells for less than $50, and Entrust provides a version of the encryption technology free on the Internet. Even our most steadfast ally sees that export controls can no longer help stem the overwhelming demand and spread of unbreakable encryption. Mr. Speaker, if the United States continues to impose these restrictive export bans on its own companies, ``foreign competition could emerge at a level significant enough to damage the present U.S. world leadership'' in the software industry, according to the National Research Council's blue-ribbon panel on encryption policy. If our export ban continues, the United States will not be the worldwide leader on encryption technology for long, and that would be a true risk to our national security. I strongly oppose any unilateral sanctions or regulations that put the United States at an unnecessary disadvantage. Our current export ban on encryption software is a perfect example, and I intend to continue the fight to change our policy and allow the United States to compete in the global software market. ____________________ Archived at: http://jya.com/smith-crypto.txt

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Marshmallows
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attached was sent this noon.

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Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:00:08 -0500 (EST) X-Sender: dweightman(a)pop.radix.net To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com, : From: Donald Weightman <dweightman(a)Radix.Net> Subject: Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd) Mime-Version: 1.0 For Heaven's sake, guys, there were _two_ religious revivals by the name of the 'Great Awakening'. One in England, early 18thC., most prominent product: John Wesley & Methodism. The other in this country, at its height in the 1840's, with the Church of the Later Day saints as _its_ most prominent product. Don Weightman At 08:13 AM 11/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >This mail is brought to you by the e$pam mailing list >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Subject: Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd) >To: cypherpunks(a)ssz.com (Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer) >Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:43:13 -0600 (CST) >X-Mailing-List: cypherpunks(a)ssz.com >X-Loop: ssz.com >X-Language: English, Russian, German >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> >X-Loop: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net > >Forwarded message: > > > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:10:17 -0500 > > From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> > > Subject: Re: e$: Snakes of Medusa on Wall Street? (fwd) > > > > > At 3:14 pm -0500 on 11/18/97, Jim Choate shows the benefits of being on the > > top of a CDR address stack :-) : > > > > > Um, I believe that went from the late 1500's to the early 1700's at best. > > > > Nope. Check it out. As defined in any decent book of American history, > > well, maybe one that hasn't been too "revised" :-), the "Great Awakening", > > which gave us most of our American-flavored religions, happened in the > > early part of the 19th century, though rumblings started shortly after the > > revolution. > > I did a little web-search (still being at work and deprived of my library) > but what I can find clearly indicates the 'Great Awakening' was fininished > by the mid to late 1750's. Most of the sources that I found from Alta Vista > give the beginning of the Great Awakening as the late 1600's to early > 1700's. > > While I clearly put the beginning of the movement too early (I always get > this confused with the beacon on the hill jive) all the evidence that I > can gather shows that it did *not* extend into any part of the 1800's. > As I understood the movement it didn't survive the American War of > Indipendance. > > I used Alta Vista and search terms of 'great' & 'awakening'. > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > | | > | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | > | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | > | | > | -Alan Greenspan- | > | | > | _____ The Armadillo Group | > | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | > | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | > | .', |||| `/( e\ | > | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | > | ravage(a)ssz.com | > | 512-451-7087 | > |____________________________________________________________________| > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion >http://www.hyperion.co.uk/ info(a)hyperion.co.uk >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Full-Strength Cryptographic Solutions for Worldwide Electronic Commerce >http://www.c2.net/ stronghold(a)c2.net >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Like e$? Help pay for it! >For e$/e$pam contributions or sponsorship: <mailto:rah@shipwright.com> >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Re: RESULT: comp.org.cauce passes 548:122
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tskirvin(a)uiuc.edu (Tim Skirvin) wrote: > Followup-To: comp.org.cauce [...] > [note followups] Unable to comply, for obvious reasons. > ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes: > > >What I _do_ see is that the un-elected "representatives" of CAUCE > >outlawed anonymous postings in their newsgroup. > > To repeat for everyone else - they have done no such thing. > Anonymous postings are still okay in comp.org.cauce - however, the address > must point back to a real address. If an address points back to a real address, then it's not *ANONYMOUS*, though. > If anything, COC's moderation procedure has shown that they're in favor of > anon.penet.fi-style anonymous remailers - which, in my mind, is a good idea. Anon.penet.fi was *NOT* an anonymous remailer, though. It was a "pseudonym server". The fact that it maintained a database by which posts could be "traced back to a real address" is the main reason why it's no longer in operation. Maintaining that sort of information is an open invitation for abuse by censorious elements, such as the "Church" of $cientology. The chilling effect of knowing that identifying information is available for abusive individuals and organizations to demand amounts to a form of censorship through intimidation. Ultimately, IMO, you harm the anti-UCE cause when you bundle it with an anti-privacy agenda which requires broadcasting one's identity as the price of free expression. > Anonymity by forgery, of course, isn't allowed in COC. I don't > see this as an overly bad thing. Anonymity by munging isn't allowed there > either, but I don't consider that to be anonymity in the first place. This message, for example, uses neither method to attain anonymity, yet it would be banned from comp.org.cauce. --

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2nd Great Awakening
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> X-within-URL: http://www.gnbvoc.mec.edu/webquest/PPERRY3.htm > 2ND GREAT AWAKENING & WESTWARD EXPANSION > > 1815-1850 > > > This time period brought the young country through rapid social and > economic change. This change brought with it regional and cultural > tensions. Americans sought personal, social and economic improvements > in their lives. A new middle class arose as people moved from rural to > urban settings. In the Northeast, lives changed for girls and women as > the factory system took hold. Lowell Mill Girls Americans also took > aim at the problems resulting from rapid social change and women like > Dorothea Dix left their mark on society. Women also began leaving > their mark in the professions, more and more women began teaching and > one courageous women, despite unbelieveable odds recieved a medical > degree. Elizabeth Blackwell > > Participation in the anti-slavery movement inspired many women to > consider their own role in society. Some believed like Catharine > Beecher that a women's place was in her duty to home and family. She > wrote her down her thoughts in her Treatiste on Domestic Economy. > Sarah Hale, in the meantime spent 40 years defining for millions of > American women their proper sphere...refined, educated, moral, > wholesome, tasteful, gentle and skillful homemakers. She did this > through Godey's Lady's Book. While women like Elizabeth Cady Stanton > took a more active role in the fight for equal rights for women. An > important day came for women when Stanton and others issued the > Declaration of Sentiments at the Seneca Falls Convention, in Seneca > Falls, New York. > > American pushed westward toward Texas, California and Oregon in search > of new opportunities. The lives of the Native Americans were once more > impacted by the movement of the white man. Thousands of settlers > traveled west over the Oregon Trail to Oregon and California. Among > them Narcissa Whitman who was the first white women to travel the > Oregon Trail.

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drac05.htm
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From Issue #5 VLAD DRACULA An intriguing figure in the fifteenth century [IMAGE] By Benjamin H. Leblanc valmont(a)lanzen.net M.Sc. Student, Sociology of Religion University of Montreal, Canada In less than two years from now the Count will celebrate his 100th birthday, and many Dracula enthusiasts from all around the world intend to underline this event. Of course, almost everybody has heard about this nosferatu: through movies featuring Max Schreck, Bela Lugosi, Christopher Lee or Gary Oldman; in several books - among which the recent Vampire Chronicles of Anne Rice; or even in bedtime stories told to us in our childhood. We all have an idea of who or what the Count is. However, on the other hand, Vlad Tepes Dracula, the historical figure who inspired Bram Stoker for his novel, is definitely less known. The centennial of the gothic masterpiece provides us with a good pretext to dive back into the life of this machiavellian fifteenth century leader - an initiative that will enable us to better appreciate the work of Stoker. Vlad Tepes was born in November or December 1431, in the fortress of Sighisoara, Romania. His father, Vlad Dracul, at that time appointed military governor of Transylvania by the emperor Sigismund, had been inducted into the Order of the Dragon about one year before. The order - which could be compared to the Knights of the Hospital of St. John or even to the Teutonic Order of Knights - was a semimilitary and religious society, originally created in 1387 by the Holy Roman Emperor and his second wife, Barbara Cilli. The main goals of such a secret fraternal order of knights was mainly to protect the interests of Catholicism, and to crusade against the Turks. There are different reasons why this society is so important to us. First, it provides an explanation for the name "Dracula;" "Dracul," in Romanian language, means "Dragon", and the boyars of Romania, who knew of Vlad Tepes' father induction into the Order of the Dragon, decided to call him "Dracul." "Dracula," a diminutive which means "the son of Dracul," was a surname to be used ultimately by Vlad Tepes. A second major role of this Order as a source of inspiration for Stoker's evil character is the Order's official dress - a black cape over a red garment - to be worn only on Fridays or during the commemoration of Christ's Passion. In the winter of 1436-1437, Dracul became prince of Wallachia (one of the three Romanian provinces) and took up residence at the palace of Tirgoviste, the princely capital. Vlad Tepes followed his father and lived six years at the princely court. In 1442, for political reasons, Dracula and his younger brother Radu were taken hostage by the Sultan Murad II; Dracula was held in Turkey until 1448, while his brother Radu decided to stay there until 1462. This Turkish captivity surely played an important role in Dracula's upbringing; it must be at this period that he adopted a very pessimistic view of life. Indeed, the Turks set him free after informing him of his father's assassination in 1447 - organized by Vladislav II. He also learned about his older brother's death - Mircea was the eldest legitimate son of Dracul - and how he had been tortured and buried alive by the boyars of Tirgoviste. At 17 years old, Vlad Tepes Dracula, supported by a force of Turkish cavalry and a contingent of troops lent to him by pasha Mustafa Hassan, made his first major move toward seizing the Wallachian throne. But another claimant, no other than Vladislav II himself, defeated him only two months later. In order to secure his second and major reign over Wallachia, Dracula had to wait until July of 1456, when he had the satisfaction of killing his mortal enemy and his father's assassin. Vlad then began his longest reign - 6 years - during which he committed many cruelties, and hence established his controversed reputation. His first major act of revenge was aimed at the boyars of Tirgoviste for the killing of his father and his brother Mircea. On Easter Sunday of what we believe to be 1459, he arrested all the boyar families who had participated to the princely feast. He impaled the older ones on stakes while forcing the others to march from the capital to the town of Poenari. This fifty-mile trek was quite grueling, and those who survived were not permitted to rest until they reached destination. Dracula then ordered them to build him a fortress on the ruins of an older outpost overlooking the Arges river. Many died in the process, and Dracula therefore succeeded in creating a new nobility and obtaining a fortress for future emergencies. What is left today of the building is identified as Castle Dracula. [IMAGE] Vlad became quite known for his brutal punishment techniques; he often ordered people to be skinned, boiled, decapitated, blinded, strangled, hanged, burned, roasted, hacked, nailed, buried alive, stabbed, etc. He also liked to cut off noses, ears, sexual organs and limbs. But his favorite method was impalement on stakes, hence the surname "Tepes" which means "The Impaler" in the Romanian language. Even the Turks referred to him as "Kaziglu Bey," meaning "The Impaler Prince." It is this technique he used in 1457, 1459 and 1460 against Transylvanian merchants who had ignored his trade laws. The raids he led against the German Saxons of Transylvania were also acts of proto-nationalism in order to protect and favour the Wallachian commerce activities. There are many anecdotes about the philosophy of Vlad Tepes Dracula. He was for instance particularly known throughout his land for his fierce insistence on honesty and order. Almost any crime, from lying and stealing to killing, could be punished by impalement. Being so confident in the effectiveness of his law, Dracula placed a golden cup on display in the central square of Tirgoviste. The cup could be used by thirsty travelers, but had to remain on the square. According to the available historic sources, it was never stolen and remained entirely unmolested throughout Vlad's reign. Dracula was also very concerned that all his subjects work and be productive to the community. He looked upon the poor, vagrants and beggars as thieves. Consequently, he invited all the poor and sick of Wallachia to his princely court in Tirgoviste for a great feast. After the guests ate and drank, Dracula ordered the hall boarded up and set on fire. No one survived. In the beginning of 1462, Vlad launched a campaign against the Turks along the Danube river. It was quite risky, the military force of Sultan Mehmed II being by far more powerful than the Wallachian army. However, during the winter of 1462, Vlad was very successful and managed to gain many victories. To punish Dracula, the Sultan decided to launch a full-scale invasion of Wallachia. Of course, his other goal was to transform this land into a Turkish province and he entered Wallachia with an army three times larger than Dracula's. Finding himself without allies, Vlad, forced to retreat towards Tirgoviste, burned his own villages and poisoned the wells along the way, so that the Turkish army would find nothing to eat or drink. Moreover, when the Sultan, exhausted, finally reached the capital city, he was confronted by a most gruesome sight: thousands of stakes held the remaining carcasses of some 20,000 Turkish captives, a horror scene which was ultimately nicknamed the "Forest of the Impaled." This terror tactic deliberately stage-managed by Dracula was definitely successful; the scene had a strong effect on Mehmed's most stout-hearted officers, and the Sultan, tired and hungry, admitted defeat (it is worth mentioning that even Victor Hugo, in his Legende des Siecles, recalls this particular incident). Nevertheless, following his retreat from Wallachian territory, Mehmed left the next phase of the battle to Vlad's younger brother Radu, the Turkish favorite for the Wallachian throne. At the head of a Turkish army and joined by Vlad's detractors, Radu pursued his brother to Poenari castle on the Arges river. According to the legend, this is when Dracula's wife, in order to escape Turkish capture, committed suicide by hurling herself from the upper battlements, her body falling down the precipice into the river below - a scene exploited by Francis Ford Coppola's production. Vlad, who was definitely not the kind of man to kill himself, managed to escape the siege of his fortress by using a secret passage into the mountain. Helped by some peasants of the Arefu village, he was able to reach Transylvania where he met the new king of Hungary, Matthias Corvinus. However, instead of providing some help, Matthias arrested Dracula and imprisoned him at the Hungarian capital of Visegrad. It was not until 1475 that Vlad was again recognized as the prince of Wallachia, enjoying a very short third reign. In fact, he was assassinated toward the end of December 1476. We do not know exactly why Bram Stoker chose this fifteenth century Romanian prince as a model for his fictional character. Some scholars have proposed that Stoker had a friendly relationship with a Hungarian professor from the University of Budapest, Arminius Vambery (Hermann Vamberger) , and it is likely that this man gave Stoker some information about Vlad Tepes Dracula. Moreover, the fact that Dr. Abraham Van Helsing mentions his "friend Arminius" in the 1897 novel as the source of his knowledge on Vlad seems to support this hypothesis. It should also be kept in mind that the only real link between the historical Dracula (1431-1476) and the modern literary myth of the vampire is in fact the 1897 novel; Stoker made use of folkloric sources, historic references and some of his own life experiences to create his composite creature. On the other hand, it is worth mentioning that Vlad Dracula's political detractors - mainly German Saxons - made use of the other meaning of the Romanian word "Dracul" - "Devil" - in order to blacken the prince's reputation. Could the association of the words "Dragon" and "Devil" in Romanian language explain an earlier link between Vlad Tepes and vampirism? Today, as Romania opens itself to the tourism industry, many "Dracula Tours" are being offered throughout the country. Two months ago, the author of this article attended one of them, organized by Bravo Group and designed by the Transylvanian Society of Dracula. This particular Tour includes the most important historical places related with Vlad Tepes, such as 15th century town of Sighisoara - Vlad's birth place; the Snagov Monastery - where, according to legend, Vlad is said to have been buried after his assassination; Castle Bran - which has been in the past erroneously described by officials of the Romanian Tourist Ministry as Castle Dracula; the Poenari fortress; the village of Arefu - where many Dracula legends are still told; the city of Brasov - where Vlad led raids against the German Saxons; and, of course, Curtea Domneasca - Dracula's palace in Bucharest. The Tour also covers the folklorical aspects of the fictional Dracula. For instance, one will find oneself eating the meal Jonathan Harker ate at The Golden Crown in Bistrita, and sleeping at Castle Dracula Hotel - built no so long ago on the Borgo Pass, approximately where the fictional castle of the Count is supposed to be. If you have another trip to the Bahamas planned for next Christmas and are a fan of Stoker's literary work, maybe should you reconsider your decision? As for the 100th birthday of the novel, may you celebrate "freely and of your own will!" Further reading Florescu, Radu, and Raymond T. McNally. Dracula: A Biography of Vlad the Impaler, 1431-1476. New York: Hawthorn Books, 1973. 239 pp. _________. Dracula: Prince of Many Faces; His Life and His Times. Boston: Little, Brown and Company, 1989, 261 pp. Giurescu, Constantin C. The Life and Deeds of Vlad the Impaler. Dracula. New York: Romanian Library, 1969. McNally, Raymond T., and Radu Florescu. In Search of Dracula: The History of Dracula and Vampires Completely Revised. 1972. Reprint. Boston: Houghton Mifflin Company, 1994, 297 pp. Stoicescu, Nicolae. Vlad the Impaler. Translated by Cristina Krikorian. Bucharest: Romanian Academy, 1978. Treptow, Kurt W., ed. Dracula: Essays on the Life and Times of Vlad Tepes. East European Monographs, no. 323, New York: Columbia University Press, 1991. 336 pp. The Transylvanian Society of Dracula 47 Primaverii blvd. Buccuresti 1 ROMANIA tel.: 401-6666195 fax: 401-3123056 _________________________________________________________________ This feature appeared in Issue #5 of Journal of the Dark, and was written by Benjamin Leblanc. Comments may be sent to him at valmont(a)lanzen.net.

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brian Daniels writes: > This is going way off topic at this point, and I am at fault for starting > it. I was just distressed at how rapidly this list seems to be turning > towards hate and bigotry. Lets take it to email. Presumably by "this list" you are referring to the fight-censorship list, and not the cypherpunks list (your message was distributed to both). The cypherpunks list has been well established as an outpost of hate and bigotry for some time. About a year ago, influential cypherpunk Tim May turned away from the previous emphasis on cryptography and privacy, towards a new approach emphasizing guns, violence, killing, exclusionary rhetoric, and crude racist humor. New members have become active who apparently find these topics more accessible than the arcane cryptographic technicalities discussed in the past. You no longer need a good mind to read the cypherpunks list; today, a strong stomach is more important.

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:27 PM 11/18/97 -0600, Mr. Geiger wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >In <3.0.16.19971118231927.0dc71f6e(a)pop.mindspring.com>, on 11/18/97 > at 11:34 PM, Mikhael Frieden <mikhaelf(a)mindspring.com> said: > >>At 06:53 PM 11/18/97 -0600, William H. Geiger III wrote: >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>I think that there is plenty of case law of extending constutional >>>protections to non-citizens. One that comes to mind were the rulings >>>against California inwhich the courts ruled the they were obligated to >>>provide schooling and social services to illegal aliens (a really fucked >>>rulling IMNSHO but if some good can come out of it no sense not making use >>>of it). > >> In a much more fundamental sense, if they were not given >>constitutional protections they really could be rounded up and bussed >>across the border. > >And this would be a BadThing(TM)?? > >- -- >- --------------------------------------------------------------- >William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii >Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 > >Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice >PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. >OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html >- --------------------------------------------------------------- > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 2.6.3a >Charset: cp850 >Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 > >iQCUAwUBNHJqx49Co1n+aLhhAQFRjgP3YOksOybgbGdafOpOgya5TPsrQkBckRAm >QhnUQWNpEbzAmUY1qPOEliaaGnZ/mftxG/Bfqmk2BGr8cQ1ofXapT1oOCpY0m5Zy >359mb3INHk6gkW/XyjGQuvYQ9c/XITTAZ8NnjspYjpT2/oPPKarZE0zoCZV3owQI >rFY0mGH29A== >=L7O7 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > I am quite confused, I thought this was the cypherpunk list, i.e. national borders are just speed bumps, anarchy, all that stuff? Has there been some change in philosophy where this is now the nationalistic statist list? Put the gestapo at the borders to kill anyone trying to sneak in? Bus those that don't belong here home? Oooooh I now understand, you just hate, your hate for the government has now spilt over to where you hate citizen units that weren't born in this country. I think you, Mr. Geiger, would find a welcome if you submitted your resume to the Border Patrol, just think you could wear a nice spiffy uniform, and some jackboots, and carry a gun; don't drool when you get accepted. Just like all the psuedo "freedom fighters" in the militias that Tim is so hyped on, just different thugs that want to control other people's lifes to conform to their belief systems.

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Patriot Militias, Neo-Conservatives, And Neo-Libertarians (fwd)
by Brad Dolan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Highpoints from the 80K piece. A really fine rant bd ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: Patriot Militias, Neo-Conservatives, And Neo-Libertarians A AA AAAA The A-Infos News Service AA AA AA AA INFOSINFOSINFOS http://www.tao.ca/ainfos/ AAAA AAAA AAAAA AAAAA This essay comes from the june issue of The Leveler, a Los Angeles Anarchist newspaper. ... --------------------------------------------------- PART ONE ---------------- Patriot Militias, Neo-Conservatives, And Neo-Libertarians by Drifter "Bob" for @nt Press News 1.) ON LIBERTY, MILITIAS AND THE NEW RIGHT Recently, the long simmering conspiracy theories that have always existed on the lunatic fringe of the far-right here in America have been metamorphosing into a variety of surging mass-movements, organizations, and popular trends, to the great surprise and indeed alarm of most Americans, especially, of course, those in the center and left of the political spectrum. The movements associated with this are growing in influence, power, and militancy, and continue to be underestimated and misunderstood by the mass-media and the professional opinion shapers. They may, in fact, reflect general world-wide trend which could influence the next major series of transformations of the human condition... Nowhere can one really find an accurate analysis of these movements in my opinion, despite the proliferation of simplistic evaluations which are being bandied about everywhere in the wake of recent events, and I think it is important for those of us on the far-left, particularly (small l) libertarians, to try to reach a profound understanding of the nature of this phenomenon for what it really is. This is true whether your goal is to fight this thing, to influence it, to benefit from it's presence, or to anticipate and prepare for it's many consequences (for anarchists I think there will be many consequences, both negative and positive). For about the last year I have been studying the new pseudo libertarian right, spending a lot of time reading about it in both the mainstream and underground media, and also talking to people who are on the fringes of some of the constituent movements in various forums on the internet, and other location in 'cyberspace'. Through the course of hours of virtual arguments interviews and study, as well as a few face to face conversations, I have formed some opinions of the real nature of this thing and of our potential role in its development, existence and influence. I can also guess at some of the possible outcomes and influences it will have in the future. Before I describe my own opinions though, I'd like to analyze the ones you are probably already aware of. There are basically 4 current views of this thing which are espoused by the 4 major players who are interested in it: the Establishment Right; the Establishment Left; the grassroots right (that is to say, for the most part the militiamen and 'patriots' themselves, as well as Nazi's and fascists further out on the fringe...); and the grassroots or far-left. None of these groups in my opinion has an accurate grasp of the nature of the movements which have arisen, the agendas or origins of the body of theory that lie behind them, or especially of the forces which are driving them and giving them all those ideas and energy, seemingly out of thin air. 2.) WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS AND WHY THEY ARE ALL WRONG The Conservative Perspective The Establishment Right understands it the best probably, though they of course are missing the point quite a bit so far, thank goodness. In their opinion (to use their language) this is a popular cultural and political counter-revolution against the extremes of social liberation and the resultant breakdown of society, and a fundamental rejection of the manipulation of the media and the 'cultural elite'. Basically they see it as the pendulum getting ready to swing very far over to the right at a time when people thought it was heading to the left, all the further and harder because it was so unexpected. By putting this spin on the situation they have been able to successfully (so successfully in fact that they may have scared themselves.) tap into the stream "anger" and seize a huge amount of legislative power in the government. By withdrawing the old school party hacks and presenting more radical, more demagogic new political candidates who echo some of the buzzwords of the new movement, and by adopting some issues popular with the grassroots of the right wing, such as second amendment rights, orthodox Christianity, and various forms of cultural or racial bigotry, they have managed to seize hold of the keys to the candy store. Having been given these keys by the grassroots, the Establishment (or "Paleo") Right politicians are busy looting it on behalf of their corporate sponsors, with even more frenetic zeal than you might expect - as if they were afraid this golden opportunity was nothing but a dream likely to be snatched out of their greedy hands at any moment. Their enthusiasm is tempered only by a certain uneasiness about the powerful and mysterious forces which so suddenly and so unexpectedly gave them this opportunity, an uncertainty which may prove to be well founded in the long run. The Conservative politicians are delighted to pass any number of laws denying welfare to practicing witches, prohibiting the use of Soviet Military vehicles on Interstate Highways, or forbidding members of the Georgia National Guard from wearing blue helmets and swearing allegiance to Zionist conspiracies, but eventually their new allies are going to start wanting some type of action which will lead to an inevitable conflict of interest. Obviously, any sweeping changes which will benefit middle and working class Americans are likely to adversely effect not just minorities and "special interests" but the real constituency of the Establishment Right: the Corporate Plutocracy. When this happens, the shit is going to hit the fan, because the Paleos won't, of course, be able to move against their financial backers and the chances are that they won't of course be able to double-talk the "Patriot" element of their constituency indefinitely either. This is the key to the whole thing, which I will explore in more depth in a minute: some of these people just aren't buying the bullshit anymore, regardless of how sophisticated or subtle it is - it's not longer enough, they are going to want concrete improvements in their lives. If they don't get them, especially when their lives are in fact made palatably worse as a result of all the Robber-Baron legislative initiatives sold to them by their friends in the Establishment, they will turn elsewhere for satisfaction. The Liberal Perspective The Establishment Left is even more unprepared and less cognizant of the nature of this thing. For years the mainstream left has bemoaned the diminishing levels of popular enthusiasm for or participation in the "Democratic Process" (i.e. universal suffrage), a fact which they attribute in a rather elitist manner to the indifference and stupidity of the electorate in general. They hold this view in spite of the fact that most of them freely admit to the rampant ideological stagnation of both parties in the political system, and to their own personal awareness of the Machiavellian realities which pull the strings of the power brokers on the Left as well as the Right.they still expect citizens to enthusiastically embrace "the lesser of two evils" in spite of the fact that they know the mainstream left is virtually as bankrupt as the right. It never occurred to anyone in the mainstream Establishment, on either end of the conventional political spectrum, that people were voting by not voting - that they chose "none of the above" because THEY MEANT IT, not just because they were trying to be cute. The failure by just about all politicians other "representatives of the people," such as the media, to recognize this fact is perhaps due to an unwillingness on their part to accept the reason for it: many people are beginning to realize that the current political system is incapable of meeting their needs, and it is now starting to look like older techniques of what Noam Chomsky calls "manufacturing consent" are losing some of their effectiveness. Due to their ignorance of and perhaps hostility toward this vast political, social, and cultural trend, the Establishment Left - especially the democratic party and the "liberal" elements within the media - have positioned themselves as supporters of the reactionary opposition to it, on the side of government authority. [...] One characteristic of this trend is the recognition of a new axis on the political grid, which may change the shape of political struggle and ultimately perhaps change the social structures which rule the world. This new dimension is of course that of liberty versus authority, which is becoming increasingly important to many ordinary people, as reflected by some of the strongest new political trends in the world right now: the libertarian center-right "Northern League" Party in Italy, which is currently the most important political force in that country, the left libertarian Zapatista movement in Mexico, and our own government-fearing right wing "patriots" here in the U.S., not to mention various other fairly large left-libertarian anarchist movements in countries such as Sweden, Denmark, Spain, and Greece. Adding the libertarians vs. authoritarian axis to the standard 2 dimensional political landscape of the 20th century helps break the deadlock that ha muddled peoples understanding of political realities and allowed various governments or other forces to use "lesser of two evils" rationalizations to support unpalatable agendas. Thus, any confusion related to such contradictory concepts as the United States supporting dictatorships in Latin America on the basis that they are "democratic" due to their opposition to Communism, or from the other perspective of various "Communist" dictatorships being somehow revolutionary due to their opposition to Capitalism, can be seen in a new light: regardless of whether Guatemala is theoretically right-wing and North Korea is theoretically left-wing, they are both clearly hellish authoritarian dictatorships which no one in their right mind would want to live in. This new distinction is often just as important to regular citizens as the more traditional economic one (Capitalism vs. Socialism), though it is normally totally ignored by their political leaders, and they have finally begun to learn on their own, for some interesting reasons, that despite the various rationalizations and rhetoric they are fed to the contrary, the unchecked growth of State authority in their own Nation could be as much of a threat as the menace of Communism or Imperialism from abroad. The Radical Left Unfortunately, it looks so far like the majority of organizations and individuals in the relatively moribund North American left-wing opposition are no more astute in their reaction to this thing than the Democratic Party, if anything they are even more enthusiastically jumping on the LAW AND ORDER bandwagon in their fear of it. This is of course not entirely without good reason - like many similar populist trends in the past the current new Right does have some affiliation with the more rabid Nazi-type groups and political theories. However, the new movements do not appear to me to be merely a reincarnation of the John Birch Society. The core of these movements are not in my opinion highly sympathetic to extreme fascist-type beliefs, at least not yet, and the size and depth of them probably preclude simply writing the entire phenomena off as a right-wing aberration, nor do I believe the grassroots left will greatly benefit from an alliance with the secret police. After all, gun wielding citizens militias are not a new thing in this country. They were once a highly effective tactic of certain progressive groups. ... ... the "Bullshit Gap." To put it simply, the increasing ability and desire for rapid lateral communication through such means as the public mail, the underground press, telephones, fax machines, short-wave radio, and now the Internet has enabled large sections of the general public to begin to form their own conclusions about the nature of reality. Perhaps not surprisingly, these opinions, derived from direct perceptions of the world, (i.e. research, and observation of individuals), and reinforced by comparison with the observations of neighbors and friends, differ to a large degree from the "official" reality paradigms presented by the Government, the Media, and all the various corporate, social, and political entities who wish to shape and guide public opinion for their own ends. Waco Wake-up One of the biggest gaps between the officially recognized worldview and reality as these people see it is in the realm of increasing government authority and the threat this poses to democracy. Regardless of whether you may think this is a valid perception, there is enough information available (especially recently after the release of government documents to the general public in the early days of the Clinton administration) to convince hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of Americans that there is an increasing danger. Certain events such as the Waco Texas debacle have dramatically raised the alarm of common folks from the level of the theoretical to the real and visceral, much to the confusion of the media and others. This actually is a common type of reaction historically. It is the same kind of event that ended an era of hardcore union-busting when strikers and their families machine-gunned en-masse in the Ludlow Massacre, forced prison system reforms after the slaughter at Attica, changed the public opinion of the Anti-War movement after protesters were shot at Kent State, threw support behind the civil rights struggle after numerous lynchings and bombings in the Deep South, and has caused innumerable riots and insurrections throughout the history of America. Citizens don't like seeing other citizens get killed, once that starts, it's time to re-evaluate everything they are being told. The incident at Waco and a few other eerily similar Government acts over the last few years caused a lot of people to begin casting about for a new worldview that would not excuse what they saw as Government murder and oppression. Many folks encountered the increasingly libertarian leaning body of right-wing conspiracy theories and urban/rural legend that was already forming a new and fairly sophisticated if quirky philosophy in the grassroots. The once narrow, reactionary, intolerant ideology of the far-right had undergone a quirky evolution which allowed elements of it to find this niche among the American psyche. ... [This has been] very frustrating to just about all of their "representatives" in both political arms of the mainstream, each of whom views reality through differently colored spectacles and sees these things as signs of progress. The consensus in the media and the establishment intelligencia is that the common people are invariably motivated by short-term greed, backward orthodoxy, or other forms of stupidity, and are completely incapable of understanding the "Big Picture" or ultimately even acting in their own self-interests. There is a universal desire on the part of these folks that the ignorant masses would stop agitating and causing trouble for their betters and let them engineer these things for their own good. The American political and social elite envision an ideal type of citizen which they have represented in the movie Forest Gump: pious, loyal, patient, and mildly retarded, with a head full of quaint colloquialisms and little else, devoted to a lifestyle of family values, hard work, self-sacrifice, and quiet suffering. A Gump-American would certainly be willing to forfeit control of his destiny to the economists and technocrats who have the Harvard and Yale educations needed to understand the issues of the day, and when necessary they wold be glad to translate the reasons for the various austerity measures he will have to endure into amusing Gump-dialect, so that he could explain them to his family. [...] Part of the electorate has seen through some of the weaknesses in the rather half-hearted arguments of their leaders, and is beginning to form it's own opinions. Perhaps more ominously, they have developed a new cynical outlook which insulates them from some of the manipulative techniques of the past, thus rendering them virtually immune to that type of influence, for better or for worse. Thus the American male of the 1990's is in fact turning out to be a lot different from the wistful fantasy of Forest Gump. The role model many seem to be emulating is closer to a character from a Charles Bronson movie: a suspicious, creepy loner with a borderline psychotic personality which hints at the potential for sudden violence, and armed to the teeth with the knowledge and the equipment to be potentially dangerous. Now many of these guys are getting together in large groups, broadcasting their dark speculations over the short-wave radio and the Internet, comparing evaluations of the government and the ruling institutions, and not liking what they are seeing one bit through their infrared binoculars. [...] __________________________ Radio4All: http://www.radio4all.org/ The A-Infos Radio Project: http://www.radio4all.org/radio http://radio4all.web.net/ ****** A-Infos News Service ***** News about and of interest to anarchists Subscribe -> email MAJORDOMO(a)TAO.CA with the message SUBSCRIBE A-INFOS Info -> http://www.tao.ca/ainfos/ Reproduce -> please include this section

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Re: From the Files - Freeh and Flight 800
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Marc Rotenberg wrote: > >FWIW, Kallstrom spent much of his time at the press >conference this week debunking the missle theory. >The FBI's explanation for why so many eyewitnesses >appeared to see a missile approach the plane boils >down to this: observers, alerted by the explosion, >were actually observing a wing falling away from >the plane. To amplify this a bit: the explanation also included the speculation of cascading fuel being ignited from the bottom and flaming upward, which could be interpreted by the observers as a missile rising. An interesting view which I wonder if any of our scientists here find credible. Perhaps I missed it, but I don't recall the CIA video showing upward flaming fuel, rather it showed a billowing explosion centered on the main fuel tank of the upturning fuselage (as the front cabin plummeted). Is it feasible that the fuel would ignite and flame upward that way or would it be too broadly dispersed by speed and the atmosphere to cause a coherent, shaped flame such as that of a missile tail? For example, would an adept pilot be able to tell the difference? This is posed because of the way several theories of the OKC blomb blast got it wrong due to overly narrow initial interpretation as did misinterpretations of other controversial "terrorisms." Perhaps Tim May is correct in his assessment of Jim, but NTSC's upcoming hearing should produce more reliable technical information than Kallstrom appears to be comfortable handling -- given his bent for melodrama fine details of investigation seem to be an annoyance, although he appeared to like the assurance of the CIA's virtual reality. Kallstrom also said that the case will remain open, I guess in case Boeing or TWA or something needs to be zapped by blind justice.

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17 Dec '03

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Deductive Reasoning
by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Deductive Reasoning Cypherpunk: "Hi there new neighbor, it sure is a mighty nice day to be moving" Neighbor 1: "Yes, it is and people around here seem extremely friendly" Cypherpunk: "So what is it you do for a living?" Neighbor 1: "I am a professor at the University, I teach deductive reasoning" Cypherpunk: "Deductive reasoning, what is that?" Neighbor 1: "Let me give you and example. I see you have a dog house out back. By that I deduce that you have a dog." Cypherpunk: "That is right" Neighbor 1: "The fact that you have a dog, leads me to deduce that you have a family" Cypherpunk: "Right again" Neighbor 1: "Since you have a family I deduce that you have a wife" Cypherpunk: "Correct" Neighbor 1: "And since you have a wife I can deduce that you are heterosexual." Cypherpunk: "Yup" Neighbor 1: "That is deductive reasoning" Cypherpunk: "Cool" Later that same day Cypherpunk: "Hey I was talking to that new guy who moved in next door" Neighbor 2: "Is he a nice guy?" Cypherpunk: "Yes, and he has an interesting job" Neighbor 2: "Oh, yeah what does he do?" Cypherpunk: "He is a professor of deductive reasoning at the University" Neighbor 2: "Deductive reasoning, what is that" Cypherpunk: "Let me give you an example. Do you have a dog house?" Neighbor 2: "No Cypherpunk: "Fag." This message was automatically remailed. The sender is unknown, unlogged, and nonreplyable. Send complaints and blocking requests to <goddesshera(a)juno.com>.

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Re: RESULT: comp.org.cauce passes 548:122
by Benjamin Chad Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) writes: >> >> >What I _do_ see is that the un-elected "representatives" of CAUCE >> >outlawed anonymous postings in their newsgroup. >> >> To repeat for everyone else - they have done no such thing. >> Anonymous postings are still okay in comp.org.cauce - however, the address >> must point back to a real address. > >If an address points back to a real address, then it's not *ANONYMOUS*, >though. You could always use the Woodwose Remailer--login to the URL above and enter userID woodwose and the password jaguar7. It is a valid return address (the web interfase allows you to send & receive email), but it is not connected with a True Name. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQEVAwUBNHOcDvVLt662DSXhAQGhIgf+KOYOGSI7QK6nxlZmYk1H0nwiU/e0ep0P feRmkS8du4argvu+wMsEAc388359Oe+SG4zrs+is6ncZ7C/5knZNoCf+TlbsUnBh VLSF/VM0ZCs4eGJXnTOORPYODN0ZqGkxweXfkJX3RU19+1mltuSPxSxBxYBDTQPS t2OMLLTP9ykK7prMRuYS7dxRGm8hzNu9XfXiEom4H9a4S29CQMzDXYG6IDAz3+Ie 64VBw7C1U6kdVyMgIHK9VKhODSwU3r9znb04LIJTwzFJFbHl9KHPogsZs6xA1F9x XhObay2As/y6Hdtdjr5YIsPyuofkPg8dJYLDCoHXoH3FddubN2kF5A== =Ea1B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com

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The Great Awakening
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jim Choate wrote: >Bob Hettinga wrote: >> BTW, Emerson, Dickenson, Whitman, Thureau, etc., were part >> of the same ideological outpouring which, in the theological arena, was the >> Great Awakening. A lot can be said for the view that this was American >> Romanticism, as Chopin, Byron, the Brontes, Austen, etc., were all >> happening in roughly the same couple of generations. Later, like libertines >> and enthusiasts throughout history, they became extremely repressive. We >> eventually came to call them Victorians. (Sound familiar, you baby boomers?) > >After thinking about this I am certain that you are speaking of a movement >other than the Great Awakening. I can't remember or find a convenient name >for the religous/ethical awakening that occured prior to the Civil War. "THE GREAT AWAKENING "A conservative reaction against the world view of the new science was bound to follow, and the first half of the eighteenth century witnessed a number of religious revivals in both England and America. They were sometimes desperate efforts to reassert the old values in the face of the new and, oddly enough, were themselves the direct product of the new cult of feeling, a philosophy which argued that man's greatest pleasure was derived from the good he did for others and that his sympathetic emotions (his joy as well as his tears) should not be contained." -- The Norton Anthology of American Literature, Third Edition, Volume 1 Being a New Englander, Bob should know about the revivalist of Northampton, Massachusetts: Jonathan Edwards. His name is synonymous with the "Great Awakening." As for the religious/ethical awakening that occurred prior to the War between the States, that has generally come to be known as "American Transcendentalism," especially the works of Whitman, Emerson and Thoreau. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHMgReFWwZe05jcJAQHPkAgAm8DTBqNnuoEGl9AVKgWIhGf3QEsH9yH3 ZoJL5WsaGlnsykrgBtvb/8qC7LgrGL19fG0rFy0ixytNM+XsenGbqE1QADb8gIbJ CQTC6323s+rqO0/WmUCfsSAEpGifAosDtdn/FZiW0rXXPX18kM/vn4qUNVDmnoXe JptHFzJGj/kCRhGfpzu3y2QpkNZEk4+wSEf4hCHRZTc+ZczB5iMW38zWpk1Mwfuy HdJU3aEORDS5BbJ1CPibxj+yZGj6bvDcnR8oNdzDidvknyaHWluCbrZjmMwaPE7x kkcc8BsXcuKMa7fOxREjH6CLs6Gnicc/idIGIDGLbQcGVGr2jXSRLg== =4OoU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The Great Awakening (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: 20 Nov 1997 02:25:01 -0000 > From: Anonymous <remailer(a)htp.org> > Subject: The Great Awakening > >After thinking about this I am certain that you are speaking of a movement > >other than the Great Awakening. I can't remember or find a convenient name > >for the religous/ethical awakening that occured prior to the Civil War. > > "THE GREAT AWAKENING No, "The Second Great Awakening" which happened to be followed by "The Third Great Awakening". You didn't read the various posts that I sent out earlier on this did you... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: The Illusion of Freedom
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Monty Cantsin wrote: >However, most people who engage in war are not in any sense free and >the single most apparent feature of life in a military organization is >the elimination of freedom and privacy. > >It is most often the case that in order to wage war, one must first >become enslaved. Those who wage war are rarely the slaves. Those who die usually are. The "cannon fodder" you mentioned. Gives new meaning to to phrase "...give me liberty, or give me death." Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHJy7eFWwZe05jcJAQHwPwf/c6s/6rWtmsaMIgVrFVqQOsxaSPx8XBnP 0dzZxX6VgMzI3Pi1wztEmw1mcHtQxosyI81mKqlb+TkXV7epxdc0LBYP/sKcMctw jw5hzZnkrEqiH9fyFXIjXPhesuerKk8FRPV8kSa7YH14X/NliXrHiS9mnr9J5E9c xXTO6VRrzERZjeNSG1mwfSdTIK22QVmOLvOFqHgNwREGKH5zGJvxLCokVF3QiswI xbnz4FpQdG5rU6vxXIC/y9Tby32g4DI4i2EQG26Li79/EfoXXWrcx7kiTm3FDUHy VN4lxsjytUV0Qow34pESCnXVkvP7gDlmV4NYC7sLe4E+OUpzpKfpJQ== =XYXW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Welcome to Builder buzz!
by buzzreg＠central.cnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Welcome, cypherpunk. You have registered as a provisional user for Builder buzz. To become a full member, please email the following member code line back to us, so we can confirm your email address. With most email programs, you can simply reply to this message. (If your email program doesn't include the previous message in its replies, you may need to cut and paste the member code line into the reply message.) MEMBER CODE: 1c72 qCf0zipj Thank you for joining us, and we look forward to having you visit often and participate completely in the Builder buzz conversations! Regards, Dan Shafer master builder and Builder buzz host

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RE: export restictions and investments
by Jack Oswald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I believe that is correct. It is not a 100% ownership. Jack -----Original Message----- From: sameer [SMTP:sameer@c2.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 10:10 AM To: Rich Salz Cc: jk(a)stallion.ee; whgiii(a)invweb.net; cryptography(a)c2.net; cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: export restictions and investments > > Are you really sure that they bought it all? That would go against what I am pretty sure that they have only a 10% stake in Elvis+. -- Sameer Parekh Voice: 510-986-8770 President FAX: 510-986-8777 C2Net http://www.c2.net/ sameer(a)c2.net

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Re: export restictions and investments
by Joichi Ito 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 15:01 97/11/19 -0800, via RadioMail wrote: > when i left the program, years ago, it was 10%. > > i do not know if something else was done later. > > ----- Original Message > > Date: 20 Nov 97 07:50 +0900 > From: Joichi Ito <jito(a)eccosys.com> > Subject: ELVIS+ > To: Jeff Rulifson <jeffr(a)Eng.Sun.COM> > > Jeff, > > what % share of ELVIS+ does Sun own? > > - Joi -- PGP Key: http://pgp.ai.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x2D9461F1 PGP Fingerprint: 58F3 CA9A EFB8 EB9D DF18 6B16 E48D AF2A 2D94 61F1 Home Page: http://domino.garage.co.jp/jito/joihome.nsf To subscribe to my personal mailing list send mailto:friends-subscribe@ji.to

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Finger Narcs
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While wandering in the Twilight Zone that lays between sleep and being awake, I caught vague details of the following non-reality substantiated news story: Ontario, in order to combat the Iron Chariotman, Road Rage, has/will institue/d some citizen/government entity named 'Highway Rangers' (?), whose purpose is to arrest/narc-out drivers who 'flip the bird' to their fellow drivers, etc. I find it interesting that, upon awakening, I had neither the desire nor a reason for confirming/not the details of this news story, since, if it is _not_ true, it _could_ be. In short, I doubt that it is now possible to create an inner dream, or nightmare, which is more bizarre than the ludicrousness which is currently serving as our alleged Silver Screen of Reality. Go figure... TruthMonger

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Re: From the Files - Freeh and Flight 800
by Alex Peshevski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone have a copy of the CIA (FBI) Video simulation?? >>> John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> 20/11/97 12:09:58 >>> Marc Rotenberg wrote: > >FWIW, Kallstrom spent much of his time at the press >conference this week debunking the missle theory. >The FBI's explanation for why so many eyewitnesses >appeared to see a missile approach the plane boils >down to this: observers, alerted by the explosion, >were actually observing a wing falling away from >the plane. To amplify this a bit: the explanation also included the speculation of cascading fuel being ignited from the bottom and flaming upward, which could be interpreted by the observers as a missile rising. An interesting view which I wonder if any of our scientists here find credible. Perhaps I missed it, but I don't recall the CIA video showing upward flaming fuel, rather it showed a billowing explosion centered on the main fuel tank of the upturning fuselage (as the front cabin plummeted). Is it feasible that the fuel would ignite and flame upward that way or would it be too broadly dispersed by speed and the atmosphere to cause a coherent, shaped flame such as that of a missile tail? For example, would an adept pilot be able to tell the difference? This is posed because of the way several theories of the OKC blomb blast got it wrong due to overly narrow initial interpretation as did misinterpretations of other controversial "terrorisms." Perhaps Tim May is correct in his assessment of Jim, but NTSC's upcoming hearing should produce more reliable technical information than Kallstrom appears to be comfortable handling -- given his bent for melodrama fine details of investigation seem to be an annoyance, although he appeared to like the assurance of the CIA's virtual reality. Kallstrom also said that the case will remain open, I guess in case Boeing or TWA or something needs to be zapped by blind justice.

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RE: export restictions and investments
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:12 AM 11/20/1997 +0100, Lucky Green wrote: >At this point a brief overview of modexp accelerators might be in order: >o the Belgian chips I've seen are too slow. >o the Rainbow board is OK, but non-exportable. >o the Chrysalis PCMCIA card has the same performance as the Rainbow board >at half the price. Also non-exportable. >o the Ncipher SCSI based accelearator screams, but it a bit pricey. >UK product. Exportable (?) http://www.ncipher.com/ >o a high-end Alpha also performs rather nicely, according to some >benchmarks Eric Young once posted. All of the non-exportable ones sound like specialized cryptographic devices, which are of course evil threats to Yankee National Security, so of course they're not exportable. On the other hand, if they weren't crypto-specific, but just did modexps or other bignum stuff, as long as they weren't faster than a PentiumII-400, and didn't use the C-word in the product literature, they'd be exportable. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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RE: export restictions and investments
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:12 AM 11/20/1997 +0100, Lucky Green wrote: >At this point a brief overview of modexp accelerators might be in order: >o the Belgian chips I've seen are too slow. >o the Rainbow board is OK, but non-exportable. >o the Chrysalis PCMCIA card has the same performance as the Rainbow board >at half the price. Also non-exportable. >o the Ncipher SCSI based accelearator screams, but it a bit pricey. >UK product. Exportable (?) http://www.ncipher.com/ >o a high-end Alpha also performs rather nicely, according to some >benchmarks Eric Young once posted. All of the non-exportable ones sound like specialized cryptographic devices, which are of course evil threats to Yankee National Security, so of course they're not exportable. On the other hand, if they weren't crypto-specific, but just did modexps or other bignum stuff, as long as they weren't faster than a PentiumII-400, and didn't use the C-word in the product literature, they'd be exportable. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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NetNanny's Gordon Ross on "Censorship and the Internet"
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

================= From: gordonr(a)netnanny.com (GordonR) Reply-To: "gordonR(a)netnanny.com" <gordonR(a)netnanny.com> To: "'Declan McCullagh'" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:46:19 -0800 Organization: Net Nanny Software International Inc. Censorship and the Internet Written by: Gordon A. Ross CEO/President Net nanny Software International Inc. The Internet today provides a total open communication facility for all societies on this planet to communicate with one another. Depending on your political and value judgments, this could be good, bad, allowed or disallowed. I am a firm believer in absolute freedom of speech. However, there are numerous organizations, societies, governments, and countries that determine what freedom of speech is according to their own rules. We are capable of developing technology to allow the individual to determine what information is appropriate or inappropriate according to their own value sets - not mine or those of any single government. But in order for this type of technology to work on a global basis, we must set standards, much like the way early telephone networks had to be set up. Back then, if there weren't certain "signaling" standards set within the telecommunication community, people had to go through time-consuming avenues in order to communicate with different foreign groups. It is logical that the Internet will also evolve with a set of standards, and some of them are already in place, such as TCP/IP, HTML, and PICS (Platform for Internet Content Selection). Because each unique group has a different value set, we must develop a standard that all countries can accept and use that does not infringe on their right to govern according to their own constitutions or laws. PICS is such a standard. It allows for self-imposed ratings according to the standards of the individual, organization or country. If ratings are desired, PICS defines how and where a rating label should appear. Browsers and filtering software can read these standards and make decisions as defined by the owner of these software applications. Personally, I do not believe rating should be forced on any single individual or WEB site, much in the same way I do not believe that I should be told when I can use my telephone if it is my telephone. However, I do have concerns about third-party rating systems. There are so many important questions we have to ask: Who is doing the rating? What are their qualifications? Who determines the criteria? How does the system get implemented? With the Internet's massive daily changes, how is content validated? And, more importantly, who validates the content? How would rating work, if it could work at all? There are 60 million-plus pages on the WEB and it takes about one minute per page to rate. To rate every existing WEB page today, it would take about 60 million minutes - or one million hours - or over 114 years. Using 114 people working 24 hours a day, the job would take a full year. But the bad news is that as soon as everything was rated, the process would have to start all over again, because within a year the WEB would change drastically. Even day-to-day changes would be difficult to track. That's why a self-rating system would be the most cost-effective solution - as well as the most politically correct. I would be very concerned if mandatory rating is enforced. We are fortunate to live in a society that allows us the civil liberties that we currently enjoy. No single jurisdiction can - or should - govern the Internet. And technology will always evolve in order to get around this type of government control. There is simply too much content for any single entity to monitor at this time. Many people feel there should be no rating or controls legislated for the Internet. Legislation already exists to enforce proper conduct within a country's Internet access. Technology developed by industry will allow individuals the control they want according to their own personal values. The masses should be educated as to emerging technologies that will offer them choices - and how these technologies can be used safely. Once people understand how the technology can prevent problems, the divisive issues currently facing us will become moot. Today, we function in a global community, and we can no longer isolate ourselves thinking we can "go it alone." The Internet opens up worldwide communications channels. We can discover or share any information at any time from any source, if we so choose. We must strive to preserve the open communication and the free exchange of ideas, while at the same time protect our children when we as individuals feel it is necessary. Technology companies can and will provide the tools for us to accomplish both free speech on the Internet - and protection for our families. The Internet can be a truly wonderful resource for the entire world to share. Approximately 95% of it is, in fact, good. Up until now, we have done a great job of informing the general population of the negatives inherent in a tool like the WEB. But now it's time to educate people about the positive aspects of the Internet, especially as it becomes their major communication facility in the future. What it comes down to is, a simple matter of choice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------- Gordon Ross CEO/President Net Nanny Software International Inc. Suite 108 - 525 Seymour Street Vancouver, B.C. V6B 3H7 Tel: (604) 662-8522 E-mail: gordonR(a)netnanny.com

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Re: Fairy Gold
by Magus Mixmaster Anonymous Remailer Service 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Monty Cantsin wrote: >Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: >>Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. >>Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew. If this were really true, you would have posted your message under your real name (a.k.a., your persistent identity). The fact that you chose to make your statement anonymously only proves the inverse of what you say. >I do not believe this to be true. Of course, concepts are valid >regardless of their source. It would be unwise to take the statements >even of established identities on faith. > >The advantage of persistent identity is that it allows the exploration >of more complicated ideas. Use of the persistent identity places a >particular post in a greater context. > >There is only so much that can be done in a single post. It is the >mailing list equivalent of a sound bite. We should remember that -- at least here in America and the rest of the so-called first world -- we live in the age of the sound bite where the "medium is the message." Public opinion is manipulated by the puppetmasters who pull the emotional strings of John and Jane Q. Public sitting in front of the TV each night. Witness how anyone who has watched a video on Waco is quickly being lumped into the category of an anti-government extremist (Terry Nichols had two copies of "Waco Under Siege" in his house). The underlying message is, "don't consider any of the facts that the video viewer presents to you, just realize he/she is an extremist." Frankly, I wasn't there at Waco so I don't know what happened. However, as Monty pointed out in another post, the fact that the FBI/BATF/etc. administered the gas into the Davidian home (notice how I fail to use the media-sanctioned term "compound") is clearly an aggressive act on the part of the U.S. gov't. Regardless of what the spinmeisters say (both on the left and the right) no human being with a conscience can take note of this fact and say that the feds were justified in their actions. Gassing children? Come on. A single sound bite on its own will do nothing, but a persistent group of sound bites presented over time with a recurring message can create a great amount of influence. This is how public opinion is formed through mass media channels. But think about this: who is the author of these mass media sound bites? Can you name the person? It's easy to say that it's the feds, the ZOG, the NWO crew...but you can't name an individual can you? Why is that? Seriously, think about this question. It has a lot to do with a major cypherpunk theme: anonymity. But in this case, with hardly any conscious responsibility. Nerthus P.S. Notice how my response becomes "negated" by Monty's previous response when you read the first 6 lines of text in order: " >>Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. >>Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew. If that were really true, you would have posted your message under your real name (a.k.a., your persistent identity). The fact that you chose to make your statement anonymously only proves the inverse of what you say. >I do not believe this to be true. " Think how easily Monty's "response" could be used against me if the quoted text marks (>) were removed. Truths are easily twisted into lies by those who seek advantage from such actions. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHJoHOFWwZe05jcJAQG60gf9Gkn96xtwHQ6CP3gcXGTTjgb42GMWXG6G YvlDlu+MehW61hR+i8NeqM6Y/z1nFJuFZhOJmAVlps2ud6r6PoGBqFF0HOiNQjyz 3pwuB5v2y31rxHKJDLloWjv+fLrX8sapQbOwELbmR3DxwiYxiZJfhNHz8T+gQOw5 4Ri550IzqMpGCHLeU03GdnZOiCu17QRUOHuP2qnNHSUAcTp28fQbUBUdivVPsr+1 PZ1XfwCLKhSdQjDCIhRNukM9+ep675+l5FtEZGjx6UOsBRlpZmXz/6I2Z/S9c0Tr nrmOhPBSS1MQDDe2vCkOhiNmcBT2LbAa5cSEL07sswLU0/lFMRj6Jw== =uO0B -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:20:27 -0700 > From: Magus Mixmaster Anonymous Remailer Service <mix(a)magusnet.com> > Subject: Re: Fairy Gold > Monty Cantsin wrote: > >Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: > >>Persistent identities suck. Ideas stand or fall on their own. > >>Reputation capital is fairy gold, evaporating with the morning dew. > > If this were really true, you would have posted your message under your real > name (a.k.a., your persistent identity). The fact that you chose to make > your statement anonymously only proves the inverse of what you say. No, it only proves Monty doesn't believe what he says. > Frankly, I wasn't there at Waco so I don't know what happened. However, as > Monty pointed out in another post, the fact that the FBI/BATF/etc. > administered the gas into the Davidian home (notice how I fail to use the > media-sanctioned term "compound") is clearly an aggressive act on the part of > the U.S. gov't. Regardless of what the spinmeisters say (both on the left > and the right) no human being with a conscience can take note of this fact > and say that the feds were justified in their actions. Gassing children? > Come on. To hell with gassing them, the issue is the bar-b-que that occurred after. Something like 18 children were murdered and the US government and the then Texas (bitch) govenor Ann Richards were complicent in the nefarious deed. Someday she and every agent that participated will stand before a jury, unfortunately the odds are it will be the jury of history and not their peers. Why were those kids deprived of the modern conveniences? Clearly the answer "David and his followers wouldn't surrender" doesn't hold water. Those kids deserve NO punishment for actions others *may* have committed, they were a victim - whether of David or the actions of the gov. reps. is irrellevant. Those people were given a public trust, they not only abused it but failed miserably in its resolution. They must pay the price. Saying "I was following orders" has no place in a democratic society anywhere; the individual MUST be held accountable for their actions and they should not be able to shirk that responsibility nor pass it off to some 3rd party. Further, irrispective of their job or position in society or the government the responsibilities AND rights of the individual must not be infringed AND must take predidence over all other duties or responsibilties. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Censorware Summit agenda (December 1-3)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Note civil liberties and journalism groups are absent from the list of organizations represented. --Declan] =========== FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Wednesday, November 19, 1997 Sydney Rubin, 301/654-5991 Malena Hougen, 202/828-9730 INTERNET/ONLINE SUMMIT: FOCUS ON CHILDREN RELEASES AGENDA FOR MEETING, DECEMBER 1-3 WASHINGTON, D.C. - Organizers of the Internet/Online Summit: Focus on Children today released an agenda for the historic three-day meeting of public interest and family advocates, educators, industry leaders and law enforcement officials joining forces to find ways to enhance the safety and education of children in cyberspace. The meeting is the first time so many diverse organizations have come together to address safety and content issues related to children and the new mass medium. The Summit is the first in a series of discussions on issues affecting children in cyberspace, including advertising, access, privacy, and marketing and content. The first meeting will focus on content and safety. The December 1-3 Summit will include speakers, panels, announcements of initiatives taken by the Summit and its participants, and a small exhibition of technological tools and educational resources available to help parents manage children's time on-line. Panelists will be announced prior to the Summit. The Summit Agenda, which is subject to change, follows: MONDAY, DECEMBER 1, 5 p.m. - 8:30 p.m. Registration and Opening Reception adjacent to technological tools kiosks TUESDAY, DECEMBER 2, 7:30 a.m. - 6 p.m. Breakfast Call to Order Speaker (Vice President Al Gore invited to speak) Presentation on Good Content with the Public Broadcasting System and others Framing the Issues: speaker Lois Jean White, President of the National PTA Panel in Framing the Issues Panel in "Safety" Luncheon Speakers: Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, Secretary of Commerce William M. Daley Presentation on Law Enforcement On-Line: Attorney General Janet Reno and panelists Presentation on Public Education: Secretary Richard W. Riley and panelists Presentation on the Technology Tool Kit Panel on Filtering and Ratings WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 3, 8:30 a.m. - noon Breakfast Review of Previous Day: Christine Varney, Chairperson of the Summit Congressional Roundtable with Summit Participants Kids Panel Moderated by Linda Ellerbee Conclusion All activities will take place at the Renaissance Washington, D.C. Hotel at 999 Ninth Street, N.W. Registration to attend the Summit must be done through the Summit's Web site: www.kidsonline.org. Separate registration forms are available at the site for journalists and the public, as well as other information as it become available. A partial list of the organizations sponsoring the Summit includes: AT&T America Online American Library Association Center for Democracy and Technology Center for Media Education Children Now The Children's Partnership CompuServe The Direct Marketing Association Disney Online Digital Equipment/Alta Vista Enough is Enough Family Education Company IBM Interactive Services Association The Learning Company/Cyber Patrol Microsoft Corporation MCI Communication Corporation NETCOM Net Nanny National Association of Secondary School Principals National Center for Missing & Exploited Children National Consumers League National Education Association National Law Center Surfwatch Time Warner # # #

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