December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Article on Jim Bell/Assassination Politics
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In the July/August issue of Internet Underground magazine, I have a feature article on Jim Bell and Assassination Politics. I mention the cypherpunks list, of course. Nothing especially new, but folks might be interested in a summary and recap. -Declan

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Web security book finally available
by Avi Rubin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now available (finally)... I am told that Amazon and Wiley are shipping them within 24 hours. The Web Security Sourcebook (John Wiley & Sons, Inc.) by Avi Rubin, Dan Geer, Marcus Ranum foreward by Steve Bellovin A new book on all aspects of web security. More information can be found at http://www.clark.net/pub/mjr/websec/ Now available at: https://www.wiley.com/compbooks/catalog/18148-X.htm http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=047118148X ********************************************************************* Aviel D. Rubin rubin(a)research.att.com Secure Systems Research Dept. Adjunct Professor at NYU AT&T Labs - Research 180 Park Avenue http://www.research.att.com/~rubin/ Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 Voice: +1 973 360-8356 USA FAX: +1 973 360-8809 *********************************************************************

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[PGP-USERS] A start ... (hopefully) ...
by Darryl Rowe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hopefully this is a harbinger of things to come (a July 7 press release at http://www.pgp.com) and maybe Phil can out-Gates Gates and assimilate Micro$oft (hey! I can dream, can't I?): The Allegro Group, Inc. has incorporated PGP technology in their Encryption Gateway for Groupwise. Now, the 8.5 million users of Novell GroupWise will be able to send and receive encrypted email and attachments securely and easily. The Encryption Gateway for GroupWise is available on the Windows NT platform and is available as a beta product today. <snip> The gateway is a 32-bit application and does not require any additional encryption. It supports keys up to 2048 bits and attachments (including uuEncode and MIME). The gateway works with any PGP or ViaCrypt product and/or key pair, and administrators may customize help and error messages. <snip> Now if they can keep this up and get their foot in the door with all the other email vendors. =============================================================== PGPMail preferred: key ID 0xE63E77E5. Finger darrylr(a)iglou.com http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=i -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBM8Ketg/p7jvmPnflAQGg+AgAtGT7PyeVVjhLmEt4pGfHbWIUSVBjr8FA zhtMa58sG3WQQAZWhfJkS65b6IXTO6q45P0uwLSuXNsFWtOf3B5tCqkrtavrARkh OJA6UNJ5QrLMVSvKj70XUsogTP5G4n1ReVRgmAYxRNBGREwPo72asNj+71h+80vi NkQNPiuZompq6YghG0uDVinB5Fb0RyTOpzLzN0SKbRJuTaNLRbHRlWA25dyYKoKJ 0tqsSc28NJEPhYCXf9PbyE0fiWiiJTxQVCCT/ZxpRoIXHPR4tYRmadhDzCpwak92 ztz9TJPMFtviKaomOvz8YRI6wYZ6jtsuNh3m+08Q9pl9Fo85bzihcw== =H+9P -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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First Monday, July 1997
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 22:59:42 +0200 (METDST) From: lm(a)webhotel.uni-c.dk X-For: rah(a)shipwright.com To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: First Monday, July 1997 Mime-Version: 1.0 Dear First Monday Reader We proudly announce the July Issue of First Monday: http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/odlyzko/ Fixed fee versus unit pricing for information goods: competition, equilibria, and price wars by Peter Fishburn, Andrew M. Odlyzko, and Ryan C. Siders http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/drelichman/ Efficient Pricing in Data Transmission Networks: The Argentine experience by Mauricio Drelichman http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/goldhaber/ What's the Right Economics for Cyberspace? by Michael H. Goldhaber http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/berentsen/ Digital Money, Liquidity, and Monetary Policy by Aleksander Berentsen http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/almeida/ WebMonitor: a Tool for Measuring World-Wide Web Server Performance by Jussara M. Almeida, Virgilio Almeida, and David J. Yates http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/hibbitts/ E-Journals, Archives and Knowledge Networks: A Commentary on Archie Zariski's Defense of Electronic Law Journals by Bernard Hibbitts http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/bookrev/ Working the Web's Global Community: new books ---------------------------------------------------- http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/odlyzko/ Fixed fee versus unit pricing for information goods: competition, equilibria, and price wars by Peter Fishburn, Andrew M. Odlyzko, and Ryan C. Siders Information goods have negligible marginal costs, and this will create possibilities for novel distribution and pricing methods. The main concern of this paper is with pricing of goods that are likely to be consumed in large quantities by individuals. For example, will software continue to be sold at a fixed price for each unit, or will it be paid for on the basis of usage? There is substantial evidence both from observing marketplace evolution and from surveys that customers overwhelmingly prefer subscription pricing. It turns out that even if we ignore this factor, per-use pricing is not a clear winner, and therefore when the preference effect is taken into account, subscription pricing is likely to dominate. We model competitive pricing between two companies that supply essentially equivalent services (such as movies or word processing software). One company charges a fixed fee per unit, while the other charges on a per-use basis. Each is interested in maximizing its revenue. We consider instances of the models that have stable competitive equilibria between suppliers along with situations that are unstable and, in the absence of collusion, lead to ruinous price wars. ---------------------------- http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/drelichman/ Efficient Pricing in Data Transmission Networks: The Argentine experience by Mauricio Drelichman This paper develops a model to reflect the Argentine market for end-user Internet access and draws conclusions on certain aspects of economic efficiency. After the Introduction, the second section, entitled A Simple Model, provides a descriptive analysis of the market and its related industry, deriving a stylized technology and setting up a basic model. The third part of the paper, An Application to the Argentine Market, applies the model to Argentina, while the fourth section, Lessons from a Linear Demand Case, examines the results of the model under certain conditions. The model and the linear demand case are fully developed in the Appendix. ------------------------- http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/goldhaber/ What's the Right Economics for Cyberspace? by Michael H. Goldhaber Which economic theory best describes what goes on on the Internet? If you believe as I do that the explosive growth of the net and its relatives will likely continue until they become the dominant arenas for human effort and involvement, this is no idle question. Theories are guides to action: sticking to the wrong one can lead to ruin; adopting the right one opens the path to success. ------------------------- http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/berentsen/ Digital Money, Liquidity, and Monetary Policy by Aleksander Berentsen The term digital money refers to various proposed electronic payment mechanisms designed for use by consumers to make retail payments. Digital money products have the potential to replace central bank currency, thereby affecting the money supply. This paper studies the effect of replacing central bank currency on the narrowly defined stock of money under various assumptions regarding regulatory policies and monetary operations of central banks and the reaction of the banking system. ---------------------- http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/almeida/ WebMonitor: a Tool for Measuring World-Wide Web Server Performance by Jussara M. Almeida, Virgilio Almeida, and David J. Yates Server performance has become a crucial issue for improving the overall performance of the World-Wide Web. This paper describes WebMonitor, a tool for evaluating and understanding server performance, and presents new results for realistic workloads. WebMonitor measures activity and resource consumption, both within the kernel and in HTTP processes running in user space. WebMonitor is implemented using an efficient combination of sampling and event-driven techniques that exhibit low overhead. Our initial implementation is for the Apache World-Wide Web server running on the Linux operating system. We demonstrate the utility of WebMonitor by measuring and understanding the performance of a Pentium-based PC acting as a dedicated WWW server. Our workloads use file size distributions with a heavy tail. This captures the fact that Web servers must concurrently handle some requests for large audio and video files, and a large number of requests for small documents, containing text or images. Our results show that in a Web server saturated by client requests, up to 90% of the time spent handling HTTP requests is spent in the kernel. These results emphasize the important role of operating system implementation in determining Web server performance. It also suggests the need for new operating system implementations that are designed to perform well when running on Web servers. ------------------- http://www.firstmonday.dk/issues/issue2_7/hibbitts/ E-Journals, Archives and Knowledge Networks: A Commentary on Archie Zariski's Defense of Electronic Law Journals by Bernard Hibbitts In his First Monday article "Never Ending, Still Beginning: A Defense of Electronic Law Journals from the Perspective of the E-Law Experience", Professor Archie Zariski asserted that, despite recent musings to the contrary, electronic legal periodicals have a bright future in the age of the Internet. This article challenges that contention, arguing that in law as in other disciplines, the reach, dynamism and interactivity of the Internet offer opportunities for the development of new scholarly publishing paradigms - in particular, archives and "knowledge networks" - which have the potential to enrich and envigorate legal learning more than even the most progressive electronic legal journals. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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French satellite attack...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Several of you asked for a reference to the French satellite attack. I have been unable to locate any of my books because of moving related to the business expansion we are going through at the moment. However, if one of you out there has a copy of "When the phones stopped" or whatever the name was please be kind enough to chech the index, as there is a reference to this incident in that book (it's the only one I can clearly remember and a cpunk might have a copy of). I hope to have all the reference works unboxed and shelved within the next couple of weeks. I have added this item to my To-Do list and will pursue it then provided an answer is not forthcoming. Sorry for the delay. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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German Army Train Neo-Nazis
by Magus Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, appears that while the German government is railing against neo-Nazis on the Net, the German army is busy training the next generation of jack-booted thugs: "Pictures That Shame The German Army" (London Independent, 7/7/97, p.9) Bonn -- A German newspaper yesterday published pictures from an amateur videotape of soldiers staging mock executions and rapes. A youthful recruit in a Bundeswehr uniform is shown holding a pistol in the mouth of another recruit in an image published on the front page of <I>Bild am Sonntag</I>. Another photograph shows a soldier pretending to rape another recruit acting as a woman civilian, who is later shown being marched to "execution" by troops. Other pictures show enactments of "civilians" being tortured and hanging from trees, images which revived memories of atrocities by Hitler's armies. "There will be no toleration whatsoever of such perversion in the Bundeswehr," the Defence Minister, Volker Ruhe, said in an interview with ZDf television. "I will do everything to see that those involved are disciplined and prosecuted. We will ... take action against all those involved, even if they are no longer in the army." The army said eight recruits on the film, made at Hammelburg training grounds, near Wurzburg, in April 1996, were no longer in the army. The Bundeswehr investigation also focussed on officers who failed to report the incident which took place during a break in training for soldiers preparing for a mission in former Yugoslavia. Lieutenant-General Helmut Willmann, the army's officer, said acts by "a handful of mentally disturbed individuals" could not besmirch the force's good name. "I am horrified by what happened at the Hammelburg training ground," he said in a statement release by the defence ministry. The Greens criticized Gen Willmann for trying to write off the incident as an abberation, as officers knew of the tape for more than a year but said nothing about it. Jurgin Trittin, chairman of the Greens, said the incident was the latest of a series of unsettling incidents. There had been 53 reported incidents of right-wing extremism in the army in 1995. Wolfgang Schraut, commander of Jaeger Battalion 571, where the incident took place, said the recruits could no longer be punished by the army because they had left. "We will not be able to get our hands on them any more," the officer said. "They were released from the army in an entirely normal fashion after completing their military service." He said that he did not know of the existence of the videotape until Friday and had learned that it was shown "on occasion in small circles amongst the comrades." Some 3,000 Germans are in the Nato-led Stabilization Force (SFOR) in Bosnia. Around 4,000 Germans took part in SFOR's predecessor, the peace Implementation Force but were stationed in nearby Croatia.

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Re: [MILCOM] NSA: struggling with diversity ...
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>The National Security Agency, whose size, secrecy and mission were spawned by >the Cold War, is in the midst of personnel changes that current and former >employees warn are a threat to national security. > >Former employees call senior leadership the "Irish Mafia" and the Office of >Discrimination Complaints and Counseling "a party organization for blacks." A heartwarming report. The NSA represents the worst of America: its paranoia, its ruthlessness, its end-justifies- the-means amorality. The NSA's personnel policies reveal its attitudes clearly (http://theory.stanford.edu/people/donald/NSA.doc.html) It is ironic indeed that the NSA is being weakened, not by the foreign enemies it sees behind every curtain, but by the EEOC, as its immoral and callous mistreatment of employees, its jealous defense of white male privilege, are all finally revealed to be utterly inconsistent with modern principles. There is no place any longer in the world for an agency like the NSA. It is an enemy to freedom and an enemy to the free citizenry of its own country. We need a new agency, one to defend us against infowar, to help industrial competitiveness, to assist Americans in retaining their freedoms rather than attempting to strip them away for its own evil purposes. Let us all hope that the changing of the guard at the NSA will lead to a rebirth and a renewal as an agency looking forward, rather than one concerned only with guarding its own rear. Anon

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Copy of: Bonn Conference - press release and links to final conference documents on the WWW
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠bxl.dg13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Self-certified keys
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠bxl.dg13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You may find some articles related to the subject on http://www.ens.fr/~petersen/publications.html In these papers several extensions of self-certified keys, which make them more competitive compared with certificate-based keys are presented. The main features of self-certified keys lie in their easy availability and accessibility. Other parameters than system parameters are not required to be authentic. Therefore large databases with certified public keys (TTPs) are not needed any more. However, small lists with the authentic public keys of the certification authorities are still needed. The properties of self-certified keys are: -- Determination of a public key without an authentic public directory (TTP). -- Non-repudiation of public keys. -- Efficient verification of a single certificate. -- Efficiency in verification of hierarchical certificates vs. batch signatures -- Importance of key propagation. -- High security of self-certified keys. Theodor Schlickmann

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Bonn Konferenz (2)
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠bxl.dg13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

please find attached the Bonn Conference press release . Please note that the following are also available on http://www2.echo.lu/bonn/conference.html English, French and German versions of the Ministerial declaration (WinWord, RTF, PostScript) Industrial declaration (WinWord, RTF, PostScript) Users Declaration "Putting people's needs at the centre" (WinWord, RTF, PostScript) Theodor Schlickmann

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The Vulisbot
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Re: Liberating the Bits Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM blathers: >Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: >> Let it be known I did not write any of the material above attributed to me. > >And we're supposed to believe you? Yup. Like we believe you when you deny the Vilusbot. get over it, Kook.

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Rose Bird vs Multi-Ethnic Diversity/IRS racial quotas
by winsock＠rigel.cyberpass.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wonder what the lefty-racists will say about this... Sunday, July 6, 1997 . Page B 8 San Francisco Examiner LETTERS TO THE EDITOR Rose Elizabeth Bird's ignorant and poorly reasoned column ( "A brutal education legacy," June 29) in which she identified the end of affirmative action at the University of California with apartheid is an example of why race-based policies have become so bankrupt among the citizens of California. Apartheid classified individuals strictly according to race and ignored their individual abilities. Blacks in South Africa could not go to white universities regardless of their intellectual accomplishments. Affirmative action classified individuals according to race and their individual accomplishments. The end of affirmative action means that individuals will be assessed in terms of their individual accomplishments. It is as far away from apartheid as a policy could possibly be. Moreover, the end of affirmative action will not result in ethnically homogeneous campuses at the University of California. The student population in this state is astonishingly diverse. There are large numbers of men and women whose forebears came from all over Europe, Africa, Latin America and Asia. What the end of affirmative action will do is to change the mix. There will be more individuals of Chinese, Japanese, Sri Lankan, Indian, Pakistani and Russian descent, and fewer individuals of African and Latin American descent. Bird might not like this new mix, but the astonishing ethnic diversity of California universities will not end as a result of the termination of affirmative action - only race-based discrimination will. Stephen D. Krasner Department of Political Science Stanford University Rose Bird's "disgraceful, social do-gooding, liberal attack' Anent Rose Elizabeth Bird's disgraceful - albeit typically social do-gooding liberal - attack upon Gov. Wilson and UC Regent Ward Connerly for taking us from "affirmative action to California-style apartheid" : The opinions, political philosophy and judicial activism of former California Chief Justice Bird were unequivocably repudiated by the voters of California when she and two other like-thinking liberal justices were deservedly removed from the court. Bird's words today - as were her pronouncements from the bench of yesteryear - would be laughable were they not so dangerous. Thomas M. Edwards San Francisco ==================================================== US NEWS & WORLD REPORT UPDATE July, 1997 The IRS loses a round SOON AFTER PRESIDENT CLINTON announced his "mend it, don't end it" policy on affirmative action, U.S. News reported ("Between the Idea and the Reality," July 31, 1995) on race-and-employment skirmishes within the federal bureaucracy. In one prominent example, critics accused the Internal Revenue Service of maintaining virtual quotas in its hiring practices. In the past two years, the IRS has lost several cases involving charges of "reverse discrimination" that were brought by white males. Two of the cases involved accusations by IRS employees who charged that the agency had retaliated against them for filing or supporting reverse-bias claims. Federal District Court Judge Donald E. Walter in Shreveport, La., recently declared the IRS's policy on racial and gender diversity unconstitutional, saying that it amounted to a "quota, guarantee, or set-aside." The judge issued his ruling in a suit brought by four white males that is set for trial next month. The case may be settled, but the IRS will be under pressure to overhaul its policy, which may be challenged in a class-action suit.--Ted Gest Copyright U.S. News & World Report, Inc.

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Re: A really meaningfull upgrade
by Casey Iverson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:18 PM 7/8/97 EDT, you wrote: > >Casey Iverson <iverson(a)usa.net> writes: > >> At 01:15 PM 7/7/97 EDT, THE RUSSIAN SCUM BAG, ASS HOLE VULIS wrote: >> >> >I've replaced OS/2 on it by Windows 95. I'm going to add some more hardware >> >I think it's sort of a change for the better. >> >> The only meaningfull upgrade would be a total replacement of his fucked up, >> disease ridden perverted brain. >> >> C.I. > >Not that I advocate such censorship, but usa.net is very fond of pulling the >plugs on its free accounts whenever there are complaints about contents. :-) > Who do we talk to about pulling the plug on the Russian Scumbag KGB lovers TC May insult bot???

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More on crypto from Bonn
by Donald Weightman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Another story in today's FINANCIAL TIMES http://www.FT.com describes a "clash" between USCommerce Sec'y Daley and German economic minister Rexrodt on strong crypto. Because the speakers' choices of words are interesting, I quote from the FT article by Ralph Atkins: On coding technology, however, Mr Daley insisted, "there are certain legitimate areas where governments have to be involved". Encryption should be used to protect credit card numbers or detailed contracts from being read. But, he went on: "We must also make sure national security is safeguarded by applying those rules sensibly, so that potential terrorists or other sophisticated criminals cannot hide their work." Mr Rexrodt hinted the European ministers regarded US policy on exporting encryption technology as discriminatory. He backed "strong" encryption procedures, which he said were "offering users the only protection that they have, the only certainty, that their data is not going to be divulged or misused on open networks". Mr Rexrodt was backed by Mr Ron Sommer, chairman of Deutsche Telekom, Europe's largest telecommunications group, who said: "Anyone who uses the point of public security as an argument in this [encryption] issue has not realised or acknowledged that any such legal requirements stand in the way of the further spread of electronic commerce." Questions for the reader: What's a "potential" terrorist? (Is the occasional apparent c'punx paranoia justified?) How is the US export policy discriminatory? Why is DT coming out on this issue? Who are their strategic partners for ecommerce among US telecomms? (I'll have to ask around about that ...) cheers ......................................... Donald Weightman dweightman(a)radix.net

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More PGP volunteers needed
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Folks, The proofreading of the legally exported PGP source is going pretty slow. Platform independent source is only 68% done, Windows and Macintosh 6 and 2% respectively. http://www.ifi.uio.no/pgp/ It would speed things up if more non-US citizens living outside the US willing to proofread source were to contact Stale Schumacher at <stale(a)hypnotech.com> to volunteer some time. You can wait for the source to show up on your favorite ftp site, or you can make it happen. Your choice. You would need a basic C compiler and perl to join the "Free the Source" effort. A scanner is *not* needed. --Lucky, who by law can not participate in the proofreading. --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/

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No Subject
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.sacog.org/web/text/datactr/facts/octff.htm: Facts and Figures Migration for July 1995 to June 1996 October 1996 The Department of Motor Vehicles publishes an annual report of migration based on Driver License and California ID card holders change of address. Data is presented for individuals 18 and over. The data collected is through voluntary cooperation between the states. The California DMV, based on historical data, believes that data from Colorado, Mississippi, New Mexico, and North Carolina may be under reported.

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Jim Bell reference
by Kevin L Prigge 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dorothy Denning taught a class (COSC 511) "Information Warfare" Spring 97. Apparently as an assignment, several students put together an infowar incident database at: http://www.georgetown.edu/users/samplem/iw/ Jim Bell's case is mentioned under: http://www.georgetown.edu/users/samplem/iw/html/iw_database_92.html -- Kevin L. Prigge | "The only thing that saves us from Systems Software Programmer | the bureaucracy is it's Enterprise Internet Services | inefficiency." - Eugene McCarthy University of Minnesota |

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Re: The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts"
by Peter Swire 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:05 PM 7/10/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >A thoughtful response from Peter Swire. Thanks kindly. >A third possibility, and one which deserves a longer essay by someone, is >the role quasi-private organizations play. To cut to the chase, >organizations like the American Bar Association, American Medical >Association, etc. > >These "guilds" are an interesting case of self-policing where there is no >option for opting out. (I don't believe it is possible to practice law or >medicine without approval/licensing from these kinds of >organizations/guilds.) You might check out my article on "Markets, Self-Regulation, and Government Enforcement in the Protection of Personal Information." Among other topics, I talk about self-regulation by licensing organizations. The piece is posted at my web site. It is also the lead chapter in a recent report by the National Telecommunications and Information Administration on "Self-Regulation and Privacy in the Information Age", on their web site at http://www.ntia.doc.gov. Peter Prof. Peter Swire Ohio State University College of Law mailto:swire.1@osu.edu web: http://www.osu.edu/units/law/swire.htm (in early stages of construction)

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Citizens' Butts Open to Key Recovery Alternative
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Alan wrote: > http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/5133.html > McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative > by Rebecca Vesely > > Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that > would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted > commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that > he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. Didn't one of the list members just mention a "cracking open the citizen's brain with a crowbar" plan? Has anyone forwarded it to McCain yet? Is he proposing "use of a thick skull in the commission of a crime" legislation yet? > Privacy advocates and much of > the high-tech industry oppose domestic key recovery on grounds that it > would violate civil rights Which is their way of saying that compromise and selling-out is going to come at a premium price on this issue. >and be impractical and expensive to build and manage. And will thus provide outrageous profits for those who are chosen to pluck _this_ golden goose. (CryptoStar Wars?) > McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to discuss > a new technology being developed by the software giant that could be > less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. Less "blatantly" intrusive? Less "obviously" intrusive? or More "secretly" intrusive? More "sneakily" intrusive? Less "fascistly" intrusive? Less "unconstitutionally" intrusive? or More "justifiably" intrusive? More "corporately" intrusive? >The senator also said > he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week to discuss yet > another alternative. Translate that to say, "To work one industry giant against the other." or "To engender in each of them the fear that their chief competitor will be chosen to profit outageously for helping to violate the civil rights of their customers. > Just two days ago, at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the bill, > FBI director Louis Freeh testified on the need for mandatory domestic > key recovery, and some senators on the committee, notably the > chairman, Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), seemed to agree that some sort of > domestic key recovery is needed to allow law enforcement to wiretap > suspect digital communications and transactions. Translate that to say, "to allow law enforcement to wiretap _all_ digital communications and transactions in order to decide which ones they wish to apply for a _legal_ wiretap for." The reason it is called "Capitol Hill" is because there is a "mountain of capital" waiting for anyone who wants to play ball with the criminals who inhabit that dark lair. Tim May pointed out the "fever" overtaking the legislators to be the first to mine the "hard on drug dealing pedophiles" gold that the LEA's have promised them on this issue. McCain is now making the rounds of the corporate players to offer them a chance to help draw the map that will lead to the thirty million pieces of silver the Romans in D.C. are offering anyone who will betray the citizens. "And as BillyG was beneath in the Whitehouse, there cometh one of the maids of Louis Freeh: "And when she saw BillyG counting his money, she looked upon him, and said, 'And thou was also wast with Citizen of the Constitution.' "But he denied, saying, I know not, neither understand what thou sayest. And he went out of the Lincoln bedroom onto the Whithouse lawn to count his money; and the cock(sucker Louis Freeh) crew. "And a maid saw him again, and began to say to them that stood by with large guns and open warrants, 'This is _one_ of them.' "And he denied it again. And a little after, they that stood by said again to BillyG, 'Surely thou art _one_ of them: for thou art a FreeMarketer, and thy speech agreeth thereto. "But he began to curse and swear like a CypherPunk, saying, 'I know not this Constitution of which you speak.' "And the second time the cock(sucker Louis Freeh) crew. "And BillyG called to mind the word that the Citizen said unto him, 'Before the cock(sucker Louis Freeh) crow twice, thou shalt deny your customers' civil rights thrice.' And when he thought thereon, he wept." Or, Will Netscape's Moses Weinstein come down from the "mountain of capital" with the stone tablets upon which are engraved the command-line-ments which will be used to access the records of those who own the golden calves and the goats? {Old Testament Joke: "What is the difference between a Gentile and a sacrificial lamb of God?" Answer: "Tablet escrow."} {New Testament Joke: "What issue should have been addressed by an "amendment" to the Torah that was essential to protect "Religious Security" and prevent the overthrow of the Pharisees and Saudecees?" Answer: "Body recovery."} Jesus F. Christ of Nazareth (the band!) ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ "I am the Way(-out) and the Truth(Monger) and the Light (that doobie and pass it over here)." "There is something wrong when I'm a sinner under an increasing number of commandments." "Spirituality interprets commandments as damage and rises above them."

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Re: More on crypto from Bonn
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Donald Weightman wrote: > What's a "potential" terrorist? (Is the occasional apparent c'punx One who plans with intent terrorist activities, yet whom has not carried them out. > How is the US export policy discriminatory? Banks are routinely permitted strong encryption export, or did you sleep through that part of the EAR.

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Re: [PGP-USERS] A start ... (hopefully) ...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Darryl Rowe wrote: > The Allegro Group, Inc. has incorporated PGP technology in their > Encryption Gateway for Groupwise. Now, the 8.5 million users of > > Now if they can keep this up and get their foot in the door with all > the other email vendors. Well you'll also see that PGP Inc. also has a deal with Qualcomm for Eudora users. See PGP's welcome page for the notice, check the bottom.

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News of the Wired
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: News of the Weird [486] - 30May97 by Chuck Shepherd LEAD STORIES * Ms. Courtney Mann, the head of the Philadelphia chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of White People, who is a tax preparer and single mother, was rebuffed in an attempt to join a Ku Klux Klan-sponsored march in Pittsburgh in April, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Though she has been in the NAAWP for at least four years, the Pennsylvania KKK Grand Dragon turned her down because Mann is black. "She wanted me to send transportation [for the rally]," said the Grand Dragon. "She wanted to stay at my house [during rally weekend]. She's all confused, man. I don't think she knows she's a black." And we have Kent Crispin. When's the trading deadline? * April's annual religious fertility celebration in Nagoya, Japan, designed to improve the rice harvest, featured as usual a 12-foot- long, bright pink, plastic penis, carried through the street, followed by displays of smaller organs and a giant banner of a blood- vesseled penis, testicles, and pubic hair. Souvenir candy of the same shape was sold during the event, and at the end of a parade, the giant organ was placed on the fertility shrine. Don't they do the same thing in North Dakota? * In mid-April, five weeks before the national elections, the governing party in Indonesia announced, via "scientific calculation," according to one leader, that President Suharto had won re-election with 70.02 percent of the vote. There's a standard joke in Mexico about thieves breaking into a government office and stealing the results of next year's election. COURT DOCKET * In February, Maryland circuit court judge Thomas Bollinger Sr. agreed to wipe the record clean of Charles Weiner's spousal battery charge after he completes probation--for the sole purpose of helping Weiner join the Chestnut Ridge Country Club, which had until then rejected him because of his criminal record. (In 1993, Bollinger gave a rapist probation for an attack against a drunken woman, remarking that finding an unconscious woman on a bed was "the dream of a lot of males, quite honestly.") Four days later, Bollinger reversed his decision and removed himself from all domestic violence and sexual offense cases. Hey! Everyone _knows_ that "snoring" implies consent! * In Santa Cruz, Calif., in February, Mr. Danis Rivera, 25, rejected a plea bargain that would have sent him to prison for one year for having sex with underage girls. However, at his trial he was in such a foul mood that he constantly spit at court personnel and finally had to be outfitted with a Hannibal Lecter-type bonnet over his face. He was convicted and sentenced to 16 years in prison. And in a Providence, R. I., courtroom in April, Latin King gangster George "Animal" Perry, on trial for murder and racketeering and frustrated at the length of the prosecutor's closing argument, which denied him a much-needed restroom break, rose from his chair, unzipped his fly, and took one, anyway. It seems reasonable that if one petitions the court for relief, and is denied, then the only recourse is to relieve oneself. SCHEMES * St. Charles Catholic Church (Picayune, Miss.) and nearby St. Margaret Mary Church (Slidell, La.) posted security ushers at the doors in February to make sure that parishioners were not pocketing communion wafers. Devil-worshiping ceremonies often use wafers for symbolic desecration, and when six people were seen leaving St. Charles in December with their wafers, the churches' leaders began to fear a local Satanic conspiracy. Nonsense. They were probably just trading them for drugs and child pornography. * In April in Houston, Tex., Robert Perry Russell, Jr., 44, was sentenced to 20 years in prison for sexual assault and diapering of a 14-year-old boy, but police say the number of victims may have been as many as 10. According to police, Russell liked to take boys out in a boat, tell them a tale about a headless killer seeking to rescue a toddler from the dangerous lake and who kills all other people, and suggest that putting on the diapers he happens to have with him would be a good way, should the killer appear, of convincing him of his toddler status. And, as compensation for their pain and suffering, the victims accepted the deed to Russel's prime real estate in Florida and a bridge in the New York area. DANGEROUS ACTIVITIES * Dishwashing: In March, a busboy at a Key West, Fla., Marriott resort allegedly shot and killed a supervisor who had apparently made some constructive criticism of the busboy's loading of the dishwasher. And in May, police in Helena, Ark., detained a 15- year-old boy they suspect shot his older sister to death after a dispute over which one would wash the dishes. I'll wash, you die. ============================== ADMINISTRATIVE NOTICES [Except for the last paragraph, giving a new, alternative address for Chuck Shepherd's CompuServe mailbox, these notices unchanged since December 27, 1996] NEWS OF THE WEIRD, founded in 1988, is a nationally syndicated newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate. Individuals may have the columns mailed to them electronically, free of charge, approximately three weeks after the cover date, which is the date when most subscribing newspapers will publish the column. Send a message to notw-request(a)nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe. To read these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months, go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html (That site contains no graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio. Just text. Deal with it.) COPYRIGHT: Neither the name News of the Weird nor any issue of News of the Weird nor any portion of any issue of News of the Weird may be used for any commercial purpose whatsoever. One example of such prohibited use is to use part or all of an issue of News of the Weird as material on a commercial Web page or on a commercial message. ("Commercial" includes Web sites or messages that contain any paid or bartered advertising.) If a Web site or message contains utterly no commercial content, and it is freely accessible by the public with no fee charged, portions of News of the Weird may be used without prior permission provided that the portion(s) is(are) accurately quoted and identified on the Web site or message as from News of the Weird and this copyright notice is affixed at some point: Copyright 1997 by Universal Press Syndicate. BOOKS BY CHUCK SHEPHERD: The Concrete Enema and Other News of the Weird Classics by Chuck Shepherd (Andrews and McMeel, 1996, $6.95) is now in bookstores everywhere. Or you can order by mail from Atomic Books, 1018 N. Charles St., Baltimore MD 21201 (add $2 postage for the first book, $3 for two to the same address, $4 for 3, and $5 for more than 3) (credit card orders 1-800-778-6246, http://www.atomicbooks.com) Or by credit card from Andrews and McMeel, 1-800-642-6480 (they bill $2 postage per book). Also by Chuck Shepherd and available at only the larger bookstores in America: News of the Weird (Plume Books, 1989, $9), More News of the Weird (Plume, 1990, $9), Beyond News of the Weird (Plume, 1991, $9), and America's Least Competent Criminals (HarperPerennial, 1993, $9). (The 1989, 1990, and 1991 books were co-authored with John J. Kohut and Roland Sweet.) HARDCOPIES: The weekly newspaper columns, as well as Chuck Shepherd's weird-news 'zine View from the Ledge (now in its 16th year) are available in hardcopy, but unlike with cyberspace, they're not free. Send a buck for sample copies to P. O. Box 8306, St. Petersburg FL 33738. AUTHENTICITY: All news stories mentioned in News of the Weird are from news stories appearing in daily newspapers in the U. S. and Canada (or occasionally, reputable daily newspapers in other countries or other reputable magazines and journals). No so-called supermarket tabloid, and no story that was not intended to be "news," is ever the source of a News of the Weird story. ADDRESSES: To send mail and messages to Chuck Shepherd, write Weird(a)CompuServe.com or P. O. Box 8306, St. Petersburg FL 33738.

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No Subject
by Peterson, Doug 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is my first post to the list. I though this might be interesting. Taken from: http://wire.ap.org/APwire/pages/center/?STORYOID=206f.599a&FRONTID=TECHN OLOGY&SLOC=AP&SKEY=LATECLAMMOSSFUMEELANFUM&SLOG=sidebar 07/09/1997 17:34 EST FBI Wants Computer Decoding Ability By CASSANDRA BURRELL Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) -- American law enforcers want to be allowed to decode scrambled computer messages during investigations in much the same way as they now use wiretaps, FBI director Louis Freeh said Wednesday. Freeh's plea in Senate testimony came as the computer industry bitterly fights bills aiming to restrict the export of sophisticated data-scrambling devices to foreign computer users. Offenders inside the United States are turning increasingly to computers to commit such crimes as child molestation, child pornography and drug trafficking, Freeh told the Senate Judiciary Committee. Some investigations are hindered by the criminal use of complex equipment that scrambles messages into codes that are all but impossible to crack without code keys. ``Major drug dealers are now using encrypted communications, and they are using it to our distinct disadvantage,'' Freeh said. The best solution would include setting up a key recovery system where developers of encryption devices deposit ``keys'' with a third party that can unscramble their codes, he said. As with wiretaps, authorities would have to obtain court orders to make the keys available for law enforcement. The same data-scrambling technology that is making the Internet a safer, more secure place to do business is causing headaches on Capitol Hill, where lawmakers are struggling with its regulation. On one side are computer software and hardware developers trying to compete with companies operating abroad without restrictions. On the other side are enforcement authorities who say they don't want to tie the hands of U.S. businesses but need a way to eavesdrop on computer criminals. ``At stake are some of our most valuable and reliable investigative techniques and the public safety of our citizens,'' Freeh said. Without a key system, ``the ability of law enforcement to investigate and sometimes prevent the most serious crimes and terrorism will be severely impaired. Our national security will also be jeopardized.'' Currently, encryption technology is sold without restriction inside the United States. In an attempt to keep pace with technology advancing at lightning speed, the Clinton administration relaxed export controls last year. The computer industry complained the loosening didn't go far enough. ``The current law is unacceptable. The status quo is unacceptable,'' said Sen. Bob Kerrey, D-Neb., co-sponsor of one of several encryption bills moving through Congress. Sponsored by Kerrey and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., that bill would set up a key recovery system to give computer companies strong incentives to make keys available to investigators who obtain a court's permission. It would link companies' cooperation to quicker, easier export rules. The Senate Commerce Committee approved the bill last month and recommended the full Senate pass it. A more liberal bill sponsored by Sen. Conrad Burns, R-Mont., and Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., fell by the wayside. The Business Software Alliance, a coalition of computer businesses, promptly denounced the Kerrey-McCain bill as ``a step backward'' that would hurt American competitiveness. ``Strong cryptography is exactly like a good safe,'' said Raymond Ozzie, chairman of Iris Associates, a subsidiary of Lotus Development and IBM Corp. ``The best safe in the world cannot protect you if the combination is written on a scrap of paper and left lying around or is otherwise known to the safe cracker,'' he said in testimony submitted to the Senate committee. A House bill introduced by Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., would bar the government from requiring businesses to set aside keys. The Clinton administration has criticized that bill. Its provisions, the administration said, would ``severely compromise law enforcements' ability to protect the American people from the threats posed by terrorists, organized crime, child pornographers, drug cartels, financial predators, hostile foreign intelligence agents and other criminals.'' Doug Peterson

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Re: A really meaningfull upgrade
by Casey Iverson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:49 PM 7/9/97 EDT, THE RUSSIAN SCUM BAG, DISSEASED RIDDEN ASS HOLE VULIS gives us an an example of his KGB inspired humor: >Have you tried complaining to the European Envelope manufacturers >association in Switzerland??? C.I.

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FWD: SCIENTISTS PROPOSE NEW ENCRYPTION SCHEME
by edgarswank＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SCIENTISTS PROPOSE NEW ENCRYPTION SCHEME Two scientists at the IBM Almaden Research Center in San Jose, Calif. have developed a new approach to public key cryptography based on mathematical constructs called lattices. The system would be based on a particular set of hidden hyperplanes that constitute the private key and a method of generating points near one of those hyperplanes for the public key. The security of the system rests on the computational difficulty of finding the "unique" shortest line segment (or vector) that connects any two points in a given lattice -- a task that's fairly easy in two or three dimensions, but much more difficult in a 100-dimensional lattice. The researchers are working to turn their theory into a marketable product, and see applications in creating digital signatures and other security and authentication schemes. (Science News 5 Jul 97) Edgar W. Swank <EdgarSwank(a)Juno.com> (preferred) Edgar W. Swank <cryoprez(a)jps.net> (for files/msgs >50K) Home Page: http://members.tripod.com/~EdgarS/index.html

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Potential terrorists
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Potential terrorists is I believe a term of art. It is basically someone who has acquired the means to conduct terrorism, is believed to have the intent but is not known to have committed an act. Its basically someone in an advanced stage of a conspiracy. If the FBI had got wind of McVeigh a week before the bombing and knew he had the truckload of explosives he would fit this description. Thing I missed on the Bonn report was any indication about the UK government's policy. I suspect that this means it is either in accord with the rest of Europe or more likely as yet undetermined. Statements to the effect that they are following the Tory/US line seem to fit baddly. If the UK was acting as appostles for the US they would have stated their position. I believe the UK government is an important key. The UK inevitably has more influence in the US than the rest of Europe since the language and legal systems are compatible. The reverse is also true and in the past more so because the Tories were desperate to have US nuclear arms. If the US can't bend the UK to its side it has lost the argument in Europe. The Blair administration has a massive legislative program ahead of it undoing 18 years of Tory mismanagement and corruption. They are very carefull to avoid any issue which they think may take a lot of parliamentary time. A small number of Labour backbenchers who support our cause could therefore prevail. Phill

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Hacker cracks ESPN
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- CNET NEWS.COM Dispatch * 385,000 Readers Wednesday, July 9, 1997 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- TOP NEWS.COM STORIES FOR TODAY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- HACKER TAKES CREDIT CARD NUMBERS, OTHER INFORMATION FROM ESPN http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C12275%2C00.html?nd Starwave is warning customers about an "intruder" who took credit card numbers from the ESPN and NBA Web sites and then sent messages to the card owners about the alleged security flaws. Will the security breach on the popular sports sites affect emerging e-commerce efforts? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ********************************************************* Lynne L. Harrison, Esq. | "The key to life: Poughkeepsie, New York | - Get up; lharrison(a)mhv.net | - Survive; http://www.dueprocess.com | - Go to bed." ************************************************************ DISCLAIMER: I am not your attorney; you are not my client. Accordingly, the above is *NOT* legal advice.

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circ-1.0.4: RSA and 3DES for IRC
by FreeLSD 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Announcing: Circ 1.0.4 -- RSA and 3DES for Internet Relay Chat! Circ is an IRC script and C program which allows for secure conversations over Internet Relay Chat (IRC). It has been designed for ircII, but may work (with help) on other clients as well. 'al' wrote circ 1.0, but this is more advanced. Much is fixed, but multiuser channel-chat is temporarily broken. If you still use circ, you should switch, and your old keys will still work, but Circ 1.0.4 and circ do not talk together very easily. It uses AT&T truerand library, Martin Nicolay's RSA-Verfahren, and D3DES. It is licensed under the GNU GPL. ftp://ftp.usr.msk.ru/pub/circ/circ-1.0.4.tar.gz If you run a cryptography information site, feel free to link this URL. Chris chris(a)ftp.usr.msk.ru

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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros World banner Price Waterhouse rule OPEN MICROPHONE CATCHES CHRETIEN'S CRITICISM OF CLINTON Chretien Dehaene July 9, 1997 Web posted at: 9:10 p.m. EDT (0110 GMT) From Senior White House Correspondent Wolf Blitzer MADRID, Spain (CNN) -- Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien, apparently unaware that he was talking into an open microphone, was videotaped Wednesday making some rather undiplomatic comments about Bill Clinton, joking that the U.S. president formed his position about NATO expansion because he thought it would win votes at home. Chretien's remarks were caught on videotape as he talked with Belgian Prime Minister Jean-Luc Dehaene and Luxembourg's Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker before a NATO meeting in Madrid. Apparently unaware the microphone in front of him was on, Chretien bragged that his country does not let the United States dictate its policy, and suggested American politicians make decisions solely for reasons of expediency. "In your country, in my country, all the politicians would be in prison because they sell their votes," Chretien said. He also said Clinton was in favor of inviting Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic to join NATO because it would woo voters. Speaking in French, the Canadian prime minister said: "It's not reasons of state. It's all done for short-term political reasons, to win elections. Take the quarrel over whether to admit the Baltic states. That has noting to do with world security. It's because in Chicago, Mayor (Richard M.) Daley controls lots of votes for the nomination." The three leaders laughed as they waited for the Clinton and his advisers to arrive for the meeting. Juncker asked, "And if we started without them?" "To prove that we know what to do without them," Dehaene added. "To prove we're independent. He (Chretien), he's used to not doing what they want," Juncker said. "I make it my policy," Chretien said. "But it's popular. The Cuba affair. I was the first to stand up" against it U.S. policy tightening the economic embargo on Cuba. The three leaders chuckled among themselves. rule CNN Plus * Jean Chretien * Message Board: NATO expansion * Newsmaker Profiles Related stories: * AllPolitics - President Lauds NATO Expansion, Downplays Cost - July 9, 1997 * U.S. prevails in historic NATO expansion - July 8, 1997 * NATO invites Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic to join - July 8, 1997 * NATO agrees to add 3 countries, official says - July 8, 1997 * Clinton faces fight at home and abroad over NATO expansion - July 7, 1997 * On summit eve, NATO divided on new members - July 7, 1997 * Hold the obit: NATO re-emerging with new members - July 6, 1997 * Report: Yeltsin to skip NATO expansion summit - June 18, 1997 Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * NATO + Summit - Madrid, Spain, 8-9 July 1997 External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. Search for related CNN stories: ________________________________________ ______ [Help] Tip: You can restrict your search to the title of a document. Infoseek grfk Example: title:New Year's Resolutions rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards Tell us what you think! You said it... [INLINE] Price Waterhouse rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Cast of Characters for Crypto Politics (Judiciary Hearing)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Senate Judiciary committee today heard testimony on key escrow, particularly the "Secure Public Networks Act" (S. 909) introduced last month. The Senate Commerce committee on June 19 approved the bill, backed by Sen. Bob Kerrey and Sen. John McCain, which would create a national key escrow infrastructure. Pro-encryption legislation is dead in the Senate; McCain-Kerrey has taken its place. Here's a cast of characters from today's hearing... SEN. ORRIN HATCH (R): Asked what PGP stood for. Hatch, who chaired the hearing, said "one would expect the executive branch to lead" on such an important issue but "the Clinton administration has been all over the map." Said it's time for Congress to seize the debate, that it's already "acting as a broker for these competing interests" and the Senate Judiciary committee in particular "must serve as a forum for open debate in this area." SEN. PATRICK LEAHY (D): The Senate's supposed defender of crypto-freedom was at best a milquetoast one today. During his opening remarks, he refrained from criticizing bills to encourage key recovery; in fact, he argued that *he's* been pushing key recovery bills far longer than anyone else. ("There has been _one_ key recovery bill pending in the Senate in the last Congress and for most of this one. That is the ECPA, which I introduced...") Spoke against the McCain-Kerrey bill not on broad, philosophical grounds but on narrower grounds such as awarding too much discretionary power to the Commerce Secretary. SEN. CHARLES GRASSLEY (R): Tried to paint himself as someone who understands the dangers of government power by noting he joined many Republicans in opposing roving wiretaps last summer, but then spoke darkly of pedophiles armed with crypto. "Encryption is hindering the investigation of chid sex offenders," Grassley warned. He told how Colorado police couldn't break into a teen's password-protected electronic organizer where incriminating information might be stored. His continuing fixation on child molesters shone through today, as it did two years ago at a hearing for his Net-censorship bill. He concluded: "How many child molesters should go free because of encryption?" SEN. BOB KERREY (D): Perhaps gaining confidence in his political backing, Sen. Bob Kerrey spoke at length about the dangers of uncontrolled *domestic* use of crypto. "The current law is unacceptable. The status quo is unacceptable," he said. At one point he talked about scrapping any legislative changes to export rules -- and focusing instead just on domestic crypto and domestic key escrow. SEN. JOHN KYL (R): Criticized Kerrey for being too moderate. "My own view is that the legislation does not go far enough," Sen. Kyl said of the McCain-Kerrey bill. He said he was concerned about *any* changes to export controls and wanted to keep the status quo. "I don't want to be sitting up here and to have law enforcement officials say to us you had the opportunity to protect American lives and you didn't do it," Kyl said. Tossed easy lobs to FBI Director Freeh, who batted them out of the park. SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D): Said "I would echo Sen. Kyl's concerns." Noted she represented a high-tech state but still was concerned about the uncontrolled spread of encryption. Said to Freeh: "You've made a clear and compelling case for key recovery. If it was understood by the American people, they'd be supportive." Followed up on Grassley's point about the passworded organizer by asking Kerrey, "Without revealing the classified briefing you participated in and we have recently, what's puzzling me is that the Colorado law enforcement doesn't have any recourse to be able to break into a system." She said she thought that the FBI could tunnel into such a device, but FBI director Louis Freeh shook his head no. SEN. JOHN ASHCROFT (R): Emerged as a staunch crypto-defender. Asked Freeh why, if 56-bit crypto was good enough for the general public, did the administration allow banks to export 128-bit crypto? Told Freeh, "Your presumption is that law breakers will use key recovery systmes that are voluntary." Argued that "there's no need for us to pass legislation [on key recovery]... this is something to which the market is responding." Wondered why the Cali Cartel would use crypto with backdoors for the Feds. Dismissed arguments about other countries' crypto restrictions by saying: "So we have a whole bunch of other comuntries without the commitment to civil liberties we have." Controlling crypto is tricky because "we're in a universe that's dynamic," he said. "It seems to me that with our marketplace using 128-bit, we ought to be very careful about saying we can consume it, we can use it, but we can't export it." Landed a solid blow when he questioned how the "crypto-in-a-crime" provision would work if someone encrypts their tax data and is found guilty of a crime later. "Is he guilty of a second crime because he sought to protect the integrity of his tax returns with encryption?" More info: http://pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1022,00.html http://www.jya.com/declan3.txt http://www.jya.com/declan2.txt http://pathfinder.com/netly/editorial/0,1012,931,00.html http://www.well.com/~declan/fc/ -Declan ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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Question...
by zx325s7xv＠uunet.uu.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Recreational pharmaceuticals by genetic engineering
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I know this is off-topic for the list... But why hasn't some cleaver graduate student engineered a common mold or yeast to yield easily extracted (or directly ingestible) common recreational pharmaceuticals? Ideally it would be a perpetual source, like sour dough starter, and easily cultured. Once distributed to the street it would be impossible to stop or track (since no controlled chemicals would be required for production). --$teve

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RE: Recreational pharmaceuticals by genetic engineering
by Neil McKenty (WWBAKL) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>-----Original Message----- >From: snow [SMTP:snow@smoke.suba.com] >Sent: Friday, 11 July 1997 15:06 >To: tcmay(a)got.net >Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: Re: Recreational pharmaceuticals by genetic engineering > >> >try to haul off people who have pond scum in their bird feeders and the >> >like. (Anything that will make them look even more absurd...) >> Speaking of which, I recall that the origins of LSD were from some kind of >> fungus or "rust" found on some types of grain. > > Ergot, a mold that grows on certain types of Rye or fescue, I forget >which. This is used to make Ergotamine (imine?) which is used in treatment >of certain types of migraines. > > >They also use the same mould, ergot, to make hydergine. A supposed smart >drug/nutrient.

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Cypherpunks cap?
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anybody know who might be willing to sell one of the old Cypherpunks baseball caps? I need one for an outfit I am putting together. Thanks, --Lucky --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/

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US and EU at odds on data protection
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠bxl.dg13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Internet: US and EU at odds on data protection THURSDAY JULY 10 1997 By Neil Buckley -- Begin Differences between US and European Union laws on personal data protection have emerged as a potentially serious barrier to creation of a global free market for commerce on the internet. The European Commission yesterday urged the US to strengthen its laws on data privacy to bring them into line with European equivalents, or risk seeing curbs on exchange of information. The latest hurdle to development of a worldwide internet marketplace emerged at a meeting between Mr Ira Magaziner, senior adviser to President Bill Clinton and architect of last week's US report on electronic commerce, and Mr Hans Beseler, Commission director-general for trade policy. It came a day after differences emerged between EU ministers and the US at a conference in Bonn over the unrestricted use of encryption technology on the global computer network. A recently adopted EU directive on data protection makes it illegal after October 1998 for EU businesses to "export" personal data for commercial purposes to countries which lack comparable privacy laws. Such a ban could prevent the sale of customer information, or even exchanges of marketing databases between subsidiaries of international companies. The clause has already been cited by financial services groups as a potential barrier to trade. Commission officials said they were concerned that consumers would refuse to buy products or services on the internet if they were not confident that personal data they provided would be secure, and that they would not be bombarded by unsolicited marketing. Brussels wants the US to introduce European-style privacy laws. "The creation of a federal privacy body with powers to hear and investigate complaints, and act as interlocutor for European data protection authorities, would be a big step in the right direction," a Commission official added. But the US fears heavy-handed privacy rules could stifle trade, and prefers industry self-regulation. Mr Magaziner suggested internet traders should develop a voluntary code of conduct, with "seals of approval" for companies pledging to respect privacy and security of personal information. "Industry and consumer groups have the same incentive as we have to protect privacy, because they won't do business unless people feel their privacy is protected," he said. "Ultimately the power rests with consumers. They can buy or not buy, go to one web site or not go." Mr Magaziner suggested it would be a mistake for the EU to isolate itself by applying the clause in its data protection directive next year. © Copyright the Financial Times Limited 1997 "FT" and "Financial Times" are trademarks of The Financial Times Limited. -- End We are not amused Theodor Schlickmann

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Gene Engineered Drug Production
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, The topic of producing recreational pharmacuticals via gene engineered organisms is an interesting topic and one we discussed at least briefly 3-4 years ago. Might be worth reviewing the archives. There are some issues that I believe have kept this from being a commen practice: * Other than Marijuana and Cocaine most of the street pharmacuticals base chemicals take too much post-production to get them to a usable result. Either the process is something without an analog in the cellular systems or else it requires chemicals that don't occur in nature in great quantities and are such that you wouldn't want it produced inside the person taking the material. * Marijuana's complete gene map has only been available for a little over 2 years. * Educational and commercial institutions are not going to allow those with access either time or supplies to complete the project. * The LEA's and drug cartels would hunt the original designer(s) down and most likely terminate with extreme prejudice. You would be taking money from their mouths (so to speak). * Currently there is no country who has a legal structure such that they would be an acceptable haven. * Where's the profit? The person who creates it most definitely will not get rich. Just imagine filing your patent app. * E. coli or cooking yeast seem to be the best target. Both are fully mapped and acceptable to human systems. * In the case of Marijuana the chemicals produced by the genes are further processed and THC gets produced at this stage. This means the entire 2-tier process must be moved over. Neither yeast or E. Coli have this process in place (both being animals that isn't a surprise). This complicates the process greatly. * We are just waiting for some bright sole who believes that not only should "information be free" but so should drugs and is willing to spend 20 years or so on the run. * Regulation of production is a big unsolved problem. Assume for a moment that you have ingested some yeast that is producing TCH. How do you turn the regulation up or down? How do you keep the production from running away? Most drugs LD50 is simply way too low for such ad hoc regulation, drugs like TCH and LSD have ingestion levels of such magnitude that LD50 becomes a side issue. LSD would have a self regulating effect so it would be mediated irrespective of the level produced. THC on the other hand if not regulated would keep you in a sleepy daze most of the time. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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[ZOG] MARXIST COHEN WANTS 'CURTAILED FREEDOM': CALL TO ARMS WANTED
by Igor Chudov ＠ home 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

fyi igor Anonymous <nobody(a)REPLAY.COM> wrote: * Defense Chief Says U.S. Freedom May Have To Be Curtailed * ___________________________________________________________ * Their inward part is destruction itself. Their throat is an * open grave; they flatter with their tongue. * Psalms 5:9 * ___________________________________________________________ * * Defense secretary calls for even more preventive measures. * * Terrorism is escalating to the point that Americans soon may have to choose * between civil liberties and more intrusive means of protection. Defense * Secretary William S. Cohen says. * * The nation's defense chief told the Army Times he once considered the * chilling specter of armored vehicles surrounding civilian hotels or * government buildings to block out terrorists as strictly an overseas * phenomenon. But no longer. * * It could happen here, Cohen said he concluded after eight months of studying * threats under the Pentagon microscope. * * Free-lance terrorists with access to deadly chemical and biological bombs * are "going to change the way in which the American people view security in * our own country, he predicted in a Sept. 10 interview. * * Cohen is calling for the government to step up its efforts to penetrate * wildcard terrorist organizations. * * "It's going to require greater intelligence on our part - much greater * emphasis on intelligence gathering capability, more human intelligence, and * it's going to take more technical intelligence," he said. * * But using the U.S. military in a domestic law enforcement role would require * revisions to laws in force for more than a century, cautions Shreveport * attorney John Odom Jr. "You can't do it from the the Defense Department side * unless Congress dramatically revises the Posse Comitatus laws," said Odom, a * colonel in the U.S. Air Force Reserve and a reserve judge advocate. * * The 1878 law specifically prohibits the use of the military in domestic law * enforce- ment unless authorized by Congress or the Constitution and does not * allow for military intervention through action by the secretary of defense * or even an executive order from the president, Odom said. * * "We're trained from the first day of judge advocate school to think of Posse * Comitatus !! Odom said. "If Secretary Cohen is suggesting that the * Department of Defense be involved, it may be part of a legislative package. * But it will not happen unilaterally without a lot of folks thinking long and * hard about it." * * Cohen said terrorism would be a top priority in five new areas he plans to * focus on now that he has wrapped up his first defense budget, the * quadrennial review of the military and a new, four-year defense strategy. * * Other goals include modernizing the military, improving troops housing and * other benefits, streamlining the defense bureaucracy and shaping new * military relationships and contacts across the globe. * * * >From Staff and Wire Reports * The Times of the Ark-La-Tex * 15 September 1997 * (Submitted by Danny Cox) * * -- - Igor. The average American spends a total of six (6) months in prison.

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Re: [ZOG] MARXIST COHEN WANTS 'CURTAILED FREEDOM': CALL TO ARMSWANTED
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:20 PM -0700 10/29/97, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: >* Terrorism is escalating to the point that Americans soon may have to choose >* between civil liberties and more intrusive means of protection. Defense >* Secretary William S. Cohen says. And no doubt this means GMR for all crypto. And if we say "No thanks" to the no-knock searches, the street friskings, the "Papierren, bitte??" travel restrictions, what then? Not much of a choice, eh? The spinmeisters are laying the groundwork for martial law. Just what we've been hearing about for years. Get ready. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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No Subject
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Either Klintonkov, the congresscritters, and the directors of everyone's favorite TLAs have *COMPLETELY* lost their marbles, or the word 'constitution' is about to become very un-PC. Get your plane tickets to countries where sanity still remains (if there are any left) before international air travel is suddenly banned because of 'terrorist threats to national security'. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Surveilance is Security. I'm from the government and I'm here to help you. ParanoiaMonger

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Just wanted to let you know
by DaveL＠classifiedcentral.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: [ZOG] MARXIST COHEN WANTS 'CURTAILED FREEDOM': CALL TO ARMS WANTED
by Rebel Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

* Defense secretary calls for even more preventive measures. * * Terrorism is escalating to the point that Americans soon may have to choose * between civil liberties and more intrusive means of protection. Defense * Secretary William S. Cohen says. * * The nation's defense chief told the Army Times he once considered the * chilling specter of armored vehicles surrounding civilian hotels or * government buildings to block out terrorists as strictly an overseas * phenomenon. But no longer. Heavy shit ...and now it begins

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Re: PGP 5.5 available outside US
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > > It seems that unknown Cypherpunks have yet again shown their disrespect of > US export laws by exporting the latest version of PGP. The Windows version > of PGP 5.5 is now available for your downloading pleasure at > ftp://ftp.replay.com/pub/crypto/incoming/PGP55.zip No it is not!

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Re: Killing those who need killing (fwd)
by Mark Rogaski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An entity claiming to be wendigo wrote: >From wendigo Thu Oct 30 01:56:09 1997 Subject: Re: Killing those who need killing To: tcmay(a)got.net Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 01:56:09 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <v03102800b07d83cd05bd(a)[207.167.93.63]> from "Tim May" at Oct 29, 97 05:25:33 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 773 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 An entity claiming to be Tim May wrote: : : (Personally, were I to be arrested and held on such false charges, I'd : consider it necessary to kill those who illegally held me. Preferably from : a safe distance, with a sniper rifle. But then I'm a right wing libertarian : whacko.) Right wing, left wing, friggin' wingless ... the above comment still indicates a sociopath. Mark - -- [] Mark Rogaski "That which does not kill me [] wendigo(a)pobox.com only makes me stranger." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNFgviMHFI4kt/DQOEQI3TgCdEOML5s68dD/K850lbUtfUa7LQkoAoNp0 rKwN4YjssiKHobsYQ9qqBJR+ =24To -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- [] Mark Rogaski "That which does not kill me [] wendigo(a)pobox.com only makes me stranger."

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Request For Cash: TruthMailer services at dev.null
by TruthMailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The TruthMailer service at dev.null has become very unpopular. So unpopular, in fact, that we are now approaching limitations in what our abuse department can handle. The great outrage this weekend and subsequent delays in spamming various mailing lists are the result of this. For our immediate needs, we could sure use some more DRUGS, ALCOHOL, and BROADS. If a million people could donate $1,000 apiece, this would be great. If one million people donate $100,000 apiece, we can buy Micro$oft. Anonymous snail mail with anonymous cash (US dollars or money order) would be appreciated. If you want to be acknowledged as a donor on our arrest sheets, we can do that too. The address to send to is: Electronic Forgery Foundation Box 281, Bienfait, Saskatchewan CANADA S0C 0M0 A thousand bucks or whatever you can afford. We'll take drug, alcohol and loose women donations, too. Contact Louis J. Freeh <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> if you have something to donate. It might be a sting operation, but I'm not sure; Louis will know. PCP DustMan / Home Drug Lab for Molecular Structure and Design For an anti-reality drug recipe, send me mail with subject "Hi(gh)". Append "+realitysucks" to my abusername to ensure entrapment. Decryption is too important to leave to the recipient--Louis J. Freeh O "I'm from BassMasters, and I'm here to help you." |/------o -\______|___/- | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | |/ <}+++< *===================================================================* To unsuscribive or scrivibe send a message of UNSCRIVE or SUBRIVE to the email address _fuck_you_morons_(a)whitehouse.gov

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PGP 5.0: What were they thinking? (revisited)
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Anonymous wrote: > >> >> Where can I find a copy of PGP 5.0 which handles this "SHA1" hash extension, >> and the new forced incompatabilities? I'm looking for a Linux distribution. >> All I've found are Windoze versions, really old betas which break >> *everything* which calls PGP from a script or command line, and betas which >> have a lame expired timebomb in them. Source is prefered for obvious reasons. > >http://www.pgpi.com/ I went and took a look at this. They've broken the PGP functionality into several different psuedo-binaries which are just symlinks which point to the same binary. Invoking just 'pgp' gives this: >PGP is now invoked from different executables for different operations: > >pgpe Encrypt (including Encrypt/Sign) >pgps Sign >pgpv Verify/Decrypt >pgpk Key management >pgpo PGP 2.6.2 command-line simulator (not yet implemented) > >See each application's respective man page or the general PGP documentation >for more information. Now this, of course, breaks all matter of things. Some of this may be wrong, so feel free to correct it: Phil releases PGP. It rapidly becomes a standard for personal privacy and is used all over the world. Various versions come about including several international versions. Finally PGP 5.0 is released. It uses a completely new scheme, including DH keys. The Windows version purposefully excludes RSA key generation, in effect forcing people to generate DH keys. There is no UNIX version released. Weeks or months later, after incompatabilities were introduced into the system, UNIX versions begin to filter out. Instead of keeping command line compatability so scripts and programs which call PGP still work, they decide to break the functions up into several different invocations, all of which point to the same binary anyway. The README-BIN file for the "beta 11" Linux distribution says: >Rest assured, we WILL be releasing a source Unix distribution. >Unfortunately, licensing and export issues make this difficult; the >beta process for Linux will be completed on a binary basis. We >understand the difficulty this causes, and will be working to find a >solution in the future. They also take the liberty of coding in a timebomb: $ ./pgp This beta evaluation version of PGP has expired. $ pwd <censored>/pgp50b11-linux-i386/apps/pgp "lnx-b11" is the version currently handed out by http://www.pgpi.com, by the way. The "PGP 5.0 beta for Linux Intel (US version)" selection on their download page leads to a link to: ftp://ftp.ifi.uio.no/pub/pgp/5.0/usa_only/linux/PGP50-lnx-b11.tgz The current source distribution from that site is b8a. One of the README files from that reads: >Welcome to the PGP beta test program! > >Before reporting any bugs, please check the pgp(1) man page to ensure >that they are not already known. > >Bugs should be reported on the beta test web page at: > > http://beta.pgp.com/ However when one goes to http://beta.pgp.com they're confronted with a legal agreement. Of course the link to it from the front page won't work in Lynx 2.7.1 because it uses something called an "https" link, so the user has to type in the URL manually as "http://www.pgp.com/beta/license.cgi". After reading this license and agreeing to it, the user is allowed to reach the "BetaWeb" page. However the "public bug reports" link yields this: > Sorry, the bug report form is not available yet. > Please be patient as we get things ready. > > Please see the PGP BetaWeb for further information, or contact the > Beta Manager with specific questions. > > For now, please use the "Back" button in your browser to return to the > previous page. So maybe you can at least get whatever the current beta is and hope it works, right? Wrong. "PGP Personal v5.5.1 BetaHome"'s "Beta Software & ReadMe Download Button" wants a user name and password, but it's doubtful they have a UNIX distribution in there anyway considering the rest of this mess. Well, at least maybe the user can suggest a new "feature" for PGP 6 and that feature be "Release a source distribution which when installed doesn't break anything which calls PGP," right? Wrong. You have to have a username and password for that too. Well, obviously they want you to register as a "Registered PGP Beta Tester" to get this clearance. However "Beta Registration" yields: > Sorry, we are not currently accepting new beta testers. > We will be shortly, however, so please check back if you are interested. > > Please see the PGP BetaWeb for further information, or contact the >Beta Manager with specific questions. > For now, please use the "Back" button in your browser to return to the > previous page. And of course my 2.6.3i breaks on this "Hash: SHA1" stuff. So correct me if I'm wrong but the way I see it is like this: A new version of PGP was released. It was incompatable with previous versions. They release a Windows version but don't release a version which works under UNIX. Of course Windows users now start using the "latest and greatest," sending messages and keys all over the place which are completely incompatable with the version of PGP everybody else is using. They claim to be working on a UNIX version, granted, but that should have been released at the same time as the Windows version and *AFTER* there was an international version of PGP 5.0 available. Their UNIX version of PGP 5.0 also seems to be completely incompatable with anything which calls PGP from a script or program. In addition their UNIX versions are purposefully crippled so that they don't work after a certain time period, don't provide an override for this that I can see, and they insist on releasing binary-only distributions for Linux which prevents people from commenting that out. They have no method to get new up to date versions, nor do they have a method to report bugs like they say they do. Further the "PGP50-lnx-b11-6126098-1.src.rpm" contains the *BINARY* distribution, *not* the source. I've also been informed that PGP 5.0 encrypts to the CMR key without even bothering to ask and there's no way to override that short of hacking the key record. What the hell are these people thinking? Did they get into bed with Microsoft to try to get people to say "screw this" and go use Windows?

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pgp5.5 = clipper
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There are some remarkable similarities between pgp5.5 and the hugely unpopular original clipper chip design. Both encrypt the communication key so it can be snooped by third parties thus creating a backdoor. I suspect that part of the reason there has been less outcry over pgp5.5 than for clipper is that people have a high regard for PGP Inc, and allow this to lull their fears -- "if PGP Inc have done it, it can't be evil." This is really insidious, and it is reprehensible for PGP Inc to use their reputation capital to give clipper like systems a positive spin. pgp5.5 is basically a software implementation of clipper: In PGP the backdoor is the second crypto recipient -- the message key encrypted to the CMRK (Corporate Message Recovery Key) as requested by the ARR (Additional Recipient Request); in clipper the backdoor is the LEAF (Law Enforcement Access Field). Both systems make attempts to enforce the presense of this backdoor field: PGP Inc's policy enforcer can be configured to bounce mail not encrypted to the corporate backdoor key; in Clipper it is the checksum included in the LEAF which allows the receiving chip to reject LEAFs which have been tampered with. Both systems are "optional" -- you don't have to use clipper chips, they will be "voluntary" (or so the politicians claim), and governments aren't currently using the backdoor feature of pgp5.5, and PGP Inc argue this won't happen (we'll see how this works out). Both systems can be bypassed in very analogous ways: They can both be bypassed by super encrypting traffic. With pgp5.5 the sender can send garbage in the CMRK encrypted field; with clipper Matt Blaze found you could brute force the checksum and send garbage in the LEAF field. Both systems can be improved to make them harder to bypass, something one suspects may happen if too many people routinely bypass them, and law enforcement views this as a problem (which they surely will if their snooping attempts are foiled -- don't forget Freeh is already on record calling for mandatory key escrow, and outlawing of non-escrowed crypto). Clipper can be made harder to bypass by increasing the size of the checksum. pgp5.5 can be made harder to bypass by using binding cryptography (allows untrusted agents to be deputised as policemen in ensuring the same key is included inside the CMRK field as in the recipients PKE field). It is easy for the government snoop to detect cheating with either system -- they attempt to decrypt the traffic, and find the LEAF/CMRK field is tampered with, or find the contained message is super encrypted. One suspects that an additional 5 year sentence will be given to people who are detected tampering with snoop fields. (This is not far fetched I don't think -- already we have heard proposals for 5 year additional sentencing for "use of encryption in a crime". If non-escrowed encryption is outlawed, surely this is the logical next step on the part of Freeh, and cohorts). PGP Inc cries: "oh but we have to meet corporate user requirements". For corporate disaster recovery of stored data? For corporate message snooping? For either requirement many of us have documented far less dangerous techniques to enable corporate message snooping, and storage recovery. Techniques which aren't likely to be adopted by governments as their snooping architecture. PGP should fix this quickly before the reputational damage is increased by more government statements about the usefulness of pgp5.5. and CMR. Adam -- Now officially an EAR violation... Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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No Subject
by Georg Uphoff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Georg Josef UphoffStud.iur.<A href="mailto:georg.uphoff@uni-konstanz.de">georg.uphoff(a)uni-konstanz.de <FONT color=#000000 face=Garamond size=4><<<<<<<PGP-KEY(S) ON REQUEST>>>>>>>>

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Re: PGP Employee on MKR
by mark＠unicorn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: > Not true - you can't implement CMR without a mail enforcer unless > you can stop your employees from using non-CMR versions of PGP, > which is nearly impossible. No, you can't enforce corporate snooping without a mail enforcer. You can meet the corporate demands which PGP claim to be supporting without a mail enforcer. There's a difference. The only real benefit of CMR over the alternate systems suggested is that the corporation can snoop on all email sent to their employees. Yet PGP Inc have claimed on several occasions that this is not their intention. Odd, that. Mark

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Terrorism is a NON-THREAT (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 22:46:45 -0600 > Subject: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT > I wish for once one of the spineless members of the press would ask: > > "How many people have died from Terrorism in the last 10yrs?" > > Let's be generious and say 10,000 world wide (more like 2,000 but lets not > quibble over numbers). Bill, more than 2,000 people have dies from planes being blown up by terrorist in the last 10 years alone. Old Prince Ferdinand, you know the bloke whose death started WWI allegedly, had an attempt on his life the morning of his death via bomb. He shrugged it off and got shot. Stalin had millions killed for political reasons. The Isrealis have killed tens of thousands in their expanionisitic, non-survivalist motivated actions. The US backed Central American death squads have killed hundreds of thousands if not millions. People kill for religion, politics, insanity, and fun. Terrorism has a long history in human culture. Yours is a unreasoned view. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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