December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Saving money
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 10/25/97 7:30 AM, harka(a)nycmetro.com (harka(a)nycmetro.com) passed this wisdom: >Your repeating of government-propaganda about the "abuse of the >welfare-system" etc. doesn't really cut it as an argument in a >discussion about the realism of having total financial independence >and the freedom of choices, that comes with it. no he is not .... he is repeating what we all see in the grocery store checkout lines and in the gutters with regularity ... even here in Vermonte where self-sufficiency is a way of life we see third, fourth, and fifth generation welfare families. I literally just came from picking up groceries in a Grand Union in Essex Junction (biiiggg suburb of Burlington, also home of a big IBM plant) the lady in fromt of me was playing the food stamp game ... there was more junk in that basket along with the beer. I teach 'at risk' students in a high school near here and I am dealing with kids who have some potential to do something with themselves and have no inclination to try. I have a kid who is definitely got the brains to go to college to do something with himself whose main aim in life right now was figuring out how to forge the slip for free school lunches for him and his sister so he can pocket the lunch money from his parents ... yeah, I know, send him into politics! Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "...Those of you who turned your swords into plowshares will soon find yourselves under the yokes of those of us who kept our swords..." -- author unknown

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Re: Tim's worst nightmare.,..
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim's arms race is as hypnotizing as that of the search for max strength crypto: how to prepare for beseiged last war scenarios, when resupply is overrun with refugees, weather prevents airborne rescue, comm is jammed, deadmeat is piled all around or run away screaming with terror ... or numb with media burnout. Have many other of us have been on that hilltop, too, or struggling to get there RSN 'cause life truly sucks? What you do when no help is coming and nobody on earth gives a FF about your lonely carcass, well, that's when you fire the last .223 where it's been designed to indifferently go, to finally solve Cunanin misjudgments with hoseaway mess. Hard life teaches: The only safelove communication is end to end to yourself, ricochet alarms of system breakdown of pointless existence between heart and head. The universe broadcasts: The only totally impregnable protection of survivalist megalomania hardwired in all of us is to wage war and lose all our ambitions for immortality within our custom-made body bag. Or race ahead terabyte to orthagonal suicide, clearing slow-go bandwidth for reproductive mates to logon to a more reliably lazy DNA ISP.

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Re: NABMLA embattled -- mirror sites?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous (no, another Anonymous!) wrote: >Anonymous wrote: > >> I'm not sure the right to free speech includes the right to endorse guys >> fucking little boys, whether they give it a moniker like "transgenerational >> love" or not. Any sex with a minor is rape, since they can't legally give >> consent. > >That's right. People who are too lazy to drive a fourteen year old >to New Mexico, where they can legally fuck their brains out, should >go to jail for a long, long time. >When I cruise the children's chat lines, I always tell them I would >like to meet them in New Mexico and fuck their brains out. That's >legal. > >What I love about the law is that it gives us clear guidelines to >help us recognize the difference between those filthy fucking >child-molesting perverts fucking fourteen year olds in California, >and the decent, upstanding citizens fucking the fourteen year >olds in New Mexico. Excellent! So have NAMBLA move their HQ to New Mexico. Then they can talk about fucking little boys' brains out to their heart's content, in person or on their Web site, without breaking any local laws. Welcome to the Fifty Fiefdoms. Of course, there'll be changes in the next revision of the Constitution: 1) The First, Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments will be missing. 2) The Tenth Amendment will be altered so that the it says: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people -- unless we feel like usurping them, or we can convince people they don't need them by spreading FUD."

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Source code obfuscation
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is anyone familiar with tools that can be used to obscure source code so that it builds, but no longer contains comments or useful variable or procedure names? Thanks, -- Lucky Green <shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to> PGP encrypted email preferred. "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"

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dumb and dumber
by Ariel Glenn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

every day I think, 'things can't possibly get any stupider'. and invariably, I am proven wrong. from CNET: http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,15721,00.html Next year's Pentium II computers will be subject to export controls if a bill pending in Congress passes. It's expected to come up in the House today. Under an amendment to the 1998 Defense Authorization bill, computer makers shipping machines that can perform 2,000 million theoretical operations per second (MTOPS) or more to developing nations will have to apply to the Commerce Department for an export license. ... Lofgren explained that about the only way to stop the provision from becoming law at this point would be a presidential veto, because the sprawling piece of legislation has already been approved in substance by the House and Senate. etc., etc., etc. sheesh... Ariel Glenn ariel(a)columbia.edu

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Search warrants and Senate hearing on medical privacy
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm sitting in a Senate hearing room right now; the topic is medical privacy. Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont), an occasional friend of civil liberties, is speaking: "How is our right of privacy, one of our most cherised freedoms, going to be protected?" Well, senator, perhaps the best way of protecting our privacy is to ensure that law enforcement officials need a search warrant before browsing through your medical files. Right now police do not need to go before a judge to get your records from your hospital or doctor's office; often "informal arrangements" exist. If a doctor or hospital wants to promise to "protect your privacy," they can't. Yesterday a senior Justice Department official told journalists (in a background briefing at Main Justice) that requiring police to obtain a search warrant could derail counter-terrorism efforts. "Imposing a probable cause standard is something we would vehemently object to," he said. Which explains why he doesn't vehemently object to the legislation this committee is considering. The versions of the "medical privacy" bills I'm familiar with don't include such strict safeguards. We require the FBI to obtain a search warrant to enter your house or office: why shouldn't we require the same for medical files? At yesterday's briefing some of us asked what safeguards are in place to prevent dragnet fishing by police. For instance, what if agents access a 1,000,000-person database during a medical fraud case and stumble across someone who's being treated for illegal drugs? Can they prosecute that person for drug crimes? Yes, they're allowed to but they probably won't. "I don't see that as being a realistic issue," the Justice Department official said. -Declan

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Re: Source code obfuscation
by Alex de Joode 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green sez: : Is anyone familiar with tools that can be used to : obscure source code so that it builds, but no longer : contains comments or useful variable or procedure : names? I believe HP once was forced to supply sourcecode to a French guvmint agency. They did just that, the source they supplied would compile but there were no clues inside. (don't have a ref for this story though) The French weren't amused. -- Alex de Joode | usura(a)SABOTAGE.ORG | http://www.sabotage.org Sabotage Internet: Your Internet Problem Provider.

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PGP and GMR
by Matthew Maxson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- All, Sorry about that blank post. It was qued up to send and I did not realize it I am new to this list and cryptogrophy, and have a few questions. 1)what is CMR? 2) how does it relate to PGP? 3) what is GAK? I have gathered that it is a back door that will encrypt all messags to the goverment (or some other official body) as well as encrypting it to the recipiant. Also, I assume that PGP 5.X has added this to their encryption scheme to allow companies to read employee e-mail. Does PGP 2.6.2 have this back door into it? tnx for your help. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBNFYSjQ5f1xn5SKgdAQEEAwP/VGRd2CcQubkDAQH7G6lOU7ShvxjqBYke 4ZJ3RyMLvWkTIFtJJIpIY0fRtkkw9OL0dxQdfCSyk/gNedh7viTEB5ozTwBT7jfd Jaz4euv+XHuvVfTXTI6Iy+i0XufRaxGxX9sn8vj6UKdLa+L/nzEwRsbyDOpASqvK Pb4t7jJj0FE= =wPLv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- <>< e-mail: maxson1(a)marshall.edu www: http://webpages.marshall.edu/~maxson1 My ham call is KC8CDT.

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Thanksgiving Cookbook
by 68363368＠gte.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Roby latest
by Jeff Barber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

See http://www.sj-r.com/roby.html for the latest. My favorite excerpt: > Illinois State Police feared that any progress in getting Allen - who's > suspected to suffer from paranoia, delusions and suicidal thoughts - to > exit on her own may have been undone. On Sunday, troopers broke out most > of the remaining windows in Allen's house, tossed nine pepper-spray > grenades inside and sent a police dog in to subdue Allen. > > All the tactics failed: Allen fired what police believe was a small-caliber > handgun as troopers inserted mirrors into her house to look around, she > apparently huddled in a bathroom to ward off the pepper spray, and she > shot the police dog through the mouth. [snip] > Police movement toward the house was sparked by a long silence inside. > Despite sophisticated surveillance and listening devices monitoring > the house, Allen hadn't been seen or heard since 1 p.m. Saturday, > McDonald said (not 1 a.m. as previously reported). Troopers wanted to > see if she had collapsed or fallen ill. > > Should similar circumstances arise again, police may try different > tactics to check Allen's health. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Oh! They were checking her health! Of course. -- Jeff

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RE: Source code obfuscation
by Fisher Mark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Is anyone familiar with tools that can be used to >obscure source code so that it builds, but no longer >contains comments or useful variable or procedure >names? <URL:http://burks.bton.ac.uk/burks/software/devtools/> has 2 shareware tools for C code. I also know there is/was some kind of commercial tool, that used to be used by Abraxas <URL:http://www.abxsoft.com/> for their CodeCheck product in Unix configurations. ========================================================== Mark Leighton Fisher Thomson Consumer Electronics fisherm(a)indy.tce.com Indianapolis, IN "Their walls are built of cannon balls, their motto is 'Don't Tread on Me'"

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ITAR a la Canada
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone know if Canada has accepted all of the restrictions under ITAR? Specifically, U.S. companies must (I assume) identify your domain before permitting access to restricted versions of software. Does the same apply for Canada?

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Re: cryptographic anecdotes
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Julian Assange wrote: >I'm involved in producing a segment on cryptograpic issues for Radio >National (ABC) to be aired latter this week. I have no problems with >the technical issues but could use some (reliable) "colour" i.e small >quirky or unusual anecdotes that will draw in and hold the larger >order of listeners who don't otherwise have any cryptography/ >cryptographic-policy background. > > e.g o RSA export-a-crypto-system .sig > o algorithm tatoos (couldn't find any confirmation of > this :() http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ has a picture and name of the person with the RSA tattoo.

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Kids...don't try this at home! / Re: Roby latest
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jeff Barber wrote: > See http://www.sj-r.com/roby.html for the latest. > My favorite excerpt: > > > Illinois State Police feared that any progress in getting Allen - who's > > suspected to suffer from paranoia, delusions and suicidal thoughts - to > > exit on her own may have been undone. On Sunday, troopers broke out most > > of the remaining windows in Allen's house, tossed nine pepper-spray > > grenades inside and sent a police dog in to subdue Allen. I know what you're thinking, kid. You're thinking, "I'm going to try doing this on Halloween, and if I get caught, I'm going to tell mom and dad I was checking on the old lady's health." Forget it. You don't have a badge, and you're going to get your bottom tanned. KidMonger

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Bob - FYI -- not sure if this was already posted ?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:24:41 -0500 From: David Kaufman <davidk(a)air.com> Reply-To: davidk(a)air.com Organization: Allied International Resources MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: Bob - FYI -- not sure if this was already posted ? 12:51 PM ET 10/28/97 FBI chief calls for computer crime crackdown ORLANDO, Fla. (Reuters) - FBI director Louis Freeh said Tuesday that criminals were moving increasingly into cyberspace and without new laws ``drug dealers, arms dealers, terrorists and spies will have immunity like no other''. Freeh told the International Association of Chiefs of Police that software manufacturers should be required by law to include a feature that allows police to descramble encrypted communications. ``It could take a $30 million supercomputer a year to figure out the simplest encrypted message without this feature,'' Freeh said. ``And that message might be 'we have the victim and will kill him in an hour'.'' ``We're not opposed to encrypting. Encrypting is very important when transacting business but encrypting makes it very hard to enforce court orders for surveillance.'' Freeh said he supported a cyber surveillance law with these features which passed out of the House Intelligence Committee. That bill has the support of the FBI, Justice Department, Drug Enforcement Administration and other federal law enforcement agencies but does not have White House backing. ``Our own administration has not gotten behind this initiative. There are some very powerful industry forces opposing this,'' Freeh said. The ability of criminals to communicate with one another with computers is changing the face of law enforcement, Freeh said. ``All the boxes of evidence we used to bring back have been replaced by hard drives and discs. When we graduate our agents we give them in addition to a gun and a badge a laptop computer.'' ^REUTERS@ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Use a Mac...Go to Jail / Re: Saving money
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Brian B. Riley wrote: > Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr > For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> > > "...Those of you who turned your swords into plowshares will soon > find yourselves under the yokes of those of us who kept our swords..." > -- author unknown I have always envisioned Mac users as sitting at their computers and drawing flowers while they bounce a cute baby on their knee. Lately, however, I have seen increasing militantism from a wide variety of Mac users, from the quote above to "MacNuke DC" ranters. Is this a 'Death of the '60's' thing, or a sign of 'Armageddon'?

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Another CDR member?
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I received a subscription today from cypherpunks(a)comsec.com. I believe there is another node on the CDR. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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(off-topic--delete now) Re: Search warrants and Senate hearing o
by Michael Sims 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> If you're going to respond to Tim's post, you should copy him or > cypherpunks... I've attached your whole message below... > > I will respond to one point, though: > > >The free market approach won't keep medical records private. > > We haven't tried that approach yet, at least in the late 20th > century. The wealth of federal regulation and involvement in health > care is breathtaking. Ever since after WWII when for tax reasons > businesses began bundling insurance and the rise of > medicare/medicaid, well, the "free market" in healthcare has become > much less robust. (Fortunately Clinton's socialistic health care > plan was derailed.) > > In other words, the reason a "free market" approach may not work > right now is because the market isn't free. Declan, every part of the "health-care market" that people are complaining about, the parts of it that routinely and for fiscal reasons violate people's privacy, are completely and utterly dollar-driven and do not result from big nasty government making any laws. That HMO shlepping your medical record around to a dozen adminstrators to decide whether or not to pay for your care? Those huge insecure insurance databases with information about what diseses you're genetically susceptible to? Those intrusive questions and psychological screening tests at job interviews? Those urinalysis tests which screen for the presence of illegal drugs, undisclosed prescription drugs and nicotine, with the intention of firing you if *any* of the above test positive? All are examples of a free market in health care information. Oh, there are a few examples of government-caused privacy violations of health-care information. I'm thinking of mandatory HIV/AIDS disclosure laws, Medicare information, and the fact that the government still hasn't figured out that putting all the health-care information they can get ahold of into a big database is a bad idea. These can certainly represent gross threats to individuals' privacy. (Haven't CDT and EPIC discussed this from time to time? Though not extensively on either of the lists this is sent to, where it's assuredly off-topic.) Yet, these aren't the abuses that people complain about /today/. You're confusing services and information. The US has the closest to a free-market in health-care information of any of the industrialized nations. And people suffer for it every day. You can say it's cool, it's Libertarianism in action, or you can think it stinks. But don't try to blame those abuses on the government. I found it astonishing that Tim May wrote: "All we need to ensure medical privacy is a return to the right of contract. I pay Dr. Jones for his services and for his agreement to not pass my medical file around to his buddies, or to sell it to advertisers, or to let "counter-terrorism" agents snoop around in his files. Sounds fair to me." Tim, you've got that right today, with a few minor exceptions like gunshot wounds. You have it! You can insist on only going to a doctor, or only belonging to an HMO, that won't share your information around town! The government has nothing to do with it! This "problem" you're talking about is solely a market failure resulting from a nearly-pure, barely-adulterated free-market --- completely confidential health services are hard to obtain because they cost more and there isn't a sufficient market! Those privacy violations occur because it helps companies make a profit, which outweighs your measly privacy concerns! Gawd, libertarians complaining about a market failure. I may cry. -- Michael Sims

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Re: Another CDR member?
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > > Hi, > > I received a subscription today from cypherpunks(a)comsec.com. > > I believe there is another node on the CDR. Do you think it is malignant?

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Re: (off-topic--delete now) HMO Market (URL)
by Paul Spirito 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think the subject is too complex & off-topic to discuss here, but http://www.slate.com/medicalexaminer/97-10-24/medicalexaminer.asp is an excellent exposition of the problems with HMOs, using a market-based analysis. Paul "The fear is of profit deflation emanating from Asia."

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Re: rescue Mrs Allen from the Feds (Re: Tim's worst nightmare.,..)
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Attila T. Hun <attila(a)hun.org> writes: >> Mrs. Allen, 51, has attracted the sympathy of many neighbors, and >> her case has become a rallying point for those who compare it to >> Ruby Ridge and Waco as an example of overzealous law enforcement. >> >> she needs more than sympathy, she needs some action! > >I'm wondering ... surely all those militia types are watching this >case -- wouldn't it be a real coo to intervene and rescue Mrs Allen >:-) > >Let's talk tactics ... how would you disable the Feds without killing >Mrs Allen -- helicopter and nerve gas -- well organised get away? Question: Are the Feds involved, or is it just the State of Illinois? If the Feds really are involved, what possible justification do they have? The best way to help Mrs. Allen is to find ways for her to communicate with the civilized world. Maybe use a model airplane deliver a CB? Or a spread spectrum radio? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNFaN+5aWtjSmRH/5AQGvDwf8CswVCjME+ISU3Mw/8BqChhkpZnNs7hor 0hHJZ/TgtkCcEKJCL8tTD+SgMhFTXRHVPVQRBUQ2flk/bYUsDQF/UJ/D0RhK/0yX 6M0ErILUmVIo9Qn1PJzRebMYdobzIo+Td0gqB5ET4kswGZphd+Oa9KBq20FHhXxr /uXz2ED0BaVCGLK+Fg3rmxiMg5OFWMzhjESTBkM0X9jhjFIQqqA+yniLkfDRoau6 yNonHOklxf/+VoxhD9mz8KtWc7r0AaHi05bjBJCzUpp4t14NuO1Bk9zUbhgkNIps cjAd3MVPAdpTVpw0okw2Z4SR4xV/E++Hap9e0Sf9mNB7oKiRB4v75g== =bbsb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PGP and Outlook
by wabe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

So without the obligatory flames for using a microshaft product, can anyone tell me if they have PGP 5.0 working for the newest version of Outlook? (And how?) _______________________________________ -wabe

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Clinton's Bigger Gun Ban
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is the intro from: http://www.nra.org/pub/ila/1997/97-10-24_faxalert_bigger_gun_ban THE BIGGER CLINTON GUN BAN As reported in Wednesday's Special FAX Alert, the Clinton- Gore Administration is planning to issue a directive to ban certain types of foreign-made firearms from coming into this country. We believe the White House will move to stop all commerce in certain semi-automatic firearms that conform in every way to the legal requirements set forth in both the Clinton Gun Ban of 1994 and the 1989 import ban. Sources also suggest that the directive will order the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms to convene a study group to further narrow the scope of firearms that qualify for importation under the "sporting purposes" test. Given past action, a ban on all imported handguns is not unlikely. In response to this directive, Congressman Bob Barr (R-Ga.) held a press conference on Capitol Hill today with NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre, NRA-ILA Executive Director Tanya K. Metaksa, and other pro-Second Amendment congressmen, including, Jim Barcia (D-Mich.), Pete Sessions (R-Tex.), Virgil Goode (D-Va.), and Wes Watkins (R-Okla.) "The Clinton Administration is introducing the Bigger Clinton Gun Ban of 1998 - still another prohibition that bans more guns and shows more hypocrisy than ever before," emphasized Mrs. Metaksa. She added, "From the White House to Handgun Control, Inc., every gun ban advocate in America is busy confirming everything NRA has ever said about the 1994 gun ban." Basically, that it's an ineffective cosmetic ban and that Clinton's efforts to ban guns in 1994 was only a precursor to bigger, more restrictive bans. All NRA members are encouraged to contact your U.S. Representative at (202)224-3121, to urge him to oppose the President's attempt to ban more semi-automatic firearms -- semi-autos that his 1994 ban previously ok'd! In the meantime, NRA-ILA will continue to update our members as we learn more about Clinton's latest attack on America's law-abiding gun owners.

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Re: PGP and Outlook
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

wannabe smart wrote: > > So without the obligatory flames for using a microshaft product, > can anyone tell me if they have PGP 5.0 working for the > newest version of Outlook? (And how?) We could tell you, but then we'd have to killfile you...

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At Last...We Finally Know For Sure.
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> -----BEGIN CHIEF CYPHERPUNKS SPOKESPERSON SIGNED MESSAGE----- > "Timmy C. Mayonnaise carries a turd in his wallet for identification > purposes." > -----END CHIEF CYPHERPUNKS SPOKESPERSON SIGNED MESSAGE----- \ That's good enough for me! {:>)=======< /

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Re: [cpe:3185] Re: rescue Mrs Allen from the Feds (Re: Tim's worst nightmare.,..) (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)invweb.net> > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 23:01:19 -0600 > Subject: Re: [cpe:3185] Re: rescue Mrs Allen from the Feds (Re: Tim's worst nightmare.,..) > "It is better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees" A true idiots answer. Paraphrased: Your job isn't to die for your country, your job is to make that other poor son-of-a-bitch die for his. Gen. George S. Patton Remember, dead men NEVER won a war. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: I don't need no steenking badge...but I got one anyway (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 04:48:17 +0100 (MET) > Subject: Re: I don't need no steenking badge...but I got one anyway > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > Why do the average citizens put up with behavior from legislators and > law enforcement agents that they would not tolerate in their children? I'll tell you, course I won't be lucky enough your head will then explode but I can wish.... It's called *trust* in a ideal. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: At Last...We Finally Know For Sure.
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

bureau42 Anonymous Remailer wrote: > > > -----BEGIN CHIEF CYPHERPUNKS SPOKESPERSON SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > "Timmy C. Mayonnaise carries a turd in his wallet for identification > > purposes." > > -----END CHIEF CYPHERPUNKS SPOKESPERSON SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > \ > That's good enough for me! {:>)=======< > / Hey! Somebody shot my arms off! {:<)=======<

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Orthogonal (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:05:07 +0100 (MET) > From: Anonymous <nobody(a)REPLAY.COM> > Re: Orthogonal > > Oxford English Dictionary Word and Language Service > > Do you have a query about words, their > origin, meaning, use, spelling, pronunciation, > or any other aspect of the English language? > Then write to OWLS at Oxford University Press, > Walton Street, Oxford OX2 6DP, England. > > All queries willl be answered using the full > resources of the Oxford Dictionary Department. Like the rest of the mentaly mastubatory on here, you missed the *entire* point of my original question. How did the word get there, NOT what the word means. I KNOW what and how to use the word. Some of you people are fucking worthless for anything other than baiting. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | If the foo shits, wear it. | | | | Killroy | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: (off-topic--delete now) Re: Search warrants and Senate hearing o
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael Sims wrote: > Declan wroted: > > Somebody writ: > > >The free market approach won't keep medical records private. > > > > We haven't tried that approach yet, at least in the late 20th > > century. ... > > In other words, the reason a "free market" approach may not work > > right now is because the market isn't free. > Declan, every part of the "health-care market" that people are > complaining about, the parts of it that routinely and for fiscal > reasons violate people's privacy, are completely and utterly > dollar-driven and do not result from big nasty government making any > laws. Right. And you're going to use examples pertaining to huge health industry corporations who exist only because of the mountains of government regulations which keep small health care providers from providing simple, sane market options. > That HMO... > huge insecure insurance databases... > > Oh, there are a few examples of government-caused... Do not pass GoFuckYourself. Do not collect 200 Reputation Capital Credits. The totality of today's medical profession and health care system *is* 'government-caused.' You can't piss in a pot you keep under your bed without violating a hundred laws from the Health Department to the EPA to... Kiss your child's 'stubbed' toe 'better' and you'll end up in prison for unlawfully practicing medicine. > The US has the closest to a free-market in health-care information of > any of the industrialized nations. Earth to Michael! Earth to Michael... > Gawd, libertarians complaining about a market failure. I may cry. No. Libertarians complaining about government perversion of a free market. If you cry, make sure you wipe those tears with a towel that meets government standards. (Cost: $3,000.00) TruthMonger

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William Louis Pol J. Pot speaks...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED OCT. 27, 1997 THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz Pol pot speaks On Oct. 16 Nate Thayer, an American correspondent for the weekly Far Eastern Economic Review, conducted the first known interview since 1979 with Cambodian Communist Pol Pot. The New York Times printed excerpts Oct. 23. ... From 1975 and 1979, as summarized by The New York Times, Pol Pot "turned his country into a vast labor camp, driving people from the cities and forcing them to work in the fields in primitive conditions. In the name of a radical agrarian ideal, he slaughtered the middle class; professionals, monks, artists -- anyone with an education, anyone with glasses. ... ... That death toll would be equivalent to executing 75 million Americans. And what does the enfeebled mass murderer now have to say? "Our movement made mistakes," he graciously acknowledges ... "I came to carry out the struggle, not to kill people," Pol Pot still insists. "We had no other choice" but to kill political opponents, he argues. "Naturally, we had to defend ourselves." But "To say that millions died is too much. ... Even now, and you can look at me: am I a savage person? My conscience is clear." ... And now, the sheer mundanity of this tired old man, confined to a hut and insisting there were "only hundreds of thousands." ... Even if the survivors in righteous indignation were to seize Pol Pot and tear him limb from limb, the central, nagging question would remain: "Even now, and you can look at me: am I a savage?" No. Pol Pot is not a savage. ... It took the massive organization of the modern nation-state -- the division of labor with its apparent dilution of responsibility, welded to the pervasive notion that academy-trained government "experts" know better than the common folk how society should be organized, and have the right to enforce those plans by force -- to allow Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and Pol Pot to engage in "social engineering" on this scale. Nor were any of these characters stupid, or even uneducated. Pol Pot studied under the best of France's socialist intellectuals. That is what finally must be acknowledged here. These mass murders were an exercise in the gratification of intellectual notions of how best to "improve" society. A letter writer recently commented that it would be absurd to blame Pol Pot's socialist university professors in Paris for what he eventually did. No, it is not. Ideas have consequences. The idea that the wise "social engineers" of government have some right first to conscript our youth into mandatory uniform propaganda camps ("public schools"), then to begin "licensing" our chosen jobs, then to seize huge hunks of our incomes to fund these schemes (higher percentages from the rich, of course, as they seek like Pol Pot to "level things"), and finally to catalog and track our employment as well as our cars, our guns, and our money, will eventually lead by logical and inevitable progression to government deciding -- under the guise of whatever "emergency" proves convenient -- who lives and who dies. What thing did government ever find in its power, and not eventually try? This is what is really being debated, when lonely voices cry out for "less government meddling in our lives," while the statists now in power (yes, including "conservative Republicans") respond, "Sure, sure, We hear you. Less government, right. But first we just need to institute this new nationally standardized drivers license with an electronically scannable fingerprint, and a way to eavesdrop on all your phone calls and e-mail, and a new law to require your bank to report any cash transaction over $2500. "But we'll get around to giving you that smaller, less intrusive government you keep voting for, one of these days real soon. Just as soon as we outlaw eight more kinds of firearms before lunch. After all, private citizens aren't allowed to own firearms, at all, in really (start ital)civilized(end ital) countries like Germany, Russia, China, and Cambodia. Meantime, I'm afraid you'll have to get in line over there to give us your urine sample. ..." But they don't mean for it ever to go as far as it went in Cambodia. Honest. And if some of their armed henchmen (start ital)do(end ital) occasionally get carried away ... well, they can always claim "self-defense," or quibble about the numbers. Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin(a)lvrj.com. The web site for the Suprynowicz column is at http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/. The column is syndicated in the United States and Canada via Mountain Media Syndications, P.O. Box 4422, Las Vegas Nev. 89127. *** Vin Suprynowicz, vin(a)lvrj.com "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams

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17 Dec '03

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Where are the tough guys when we need them?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim wrote: > America is emulating the Soviet "psychiatric prison" system. > Look at Roby Ridge, where some possibly eccentric old lady > is being beseiged by Waco-type raiders. Look for her to "set > her house on fire." > (Not to sound like the little dog in Oz, but: "Pay no > attention to the SWAT team pushing the nozzle of a flame > thrower under her door.") I can't help wondering if some former SPECWAR guy somewhere out there who took his oath seriously, just one, may not get a little sick of watching this stuff on the news and give the old lady a present and the Nazis a message one morning... a SWAT team sleeping the eternal sleep at their posts, their necks having been mildly adjusted during the quiet night. "Whatcha gonna do when they come for you, come for you...?" Nighty-night!

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by Keith34＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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EU E-Commerce Report
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The EU-based Global Internet Project has published a new report on electronic commerce: http://jya.com/gip-ecomm.htm (29K) An excerpt on crypto policy: 1.No nation's cryptography policy can stand alone. 2. Immediate steps should be taken to solve pressing cryptographic needs that directly affect the global Internet. 3. Reliable and international systems for authentication and integrity should be established. 4. Governments and industry must respond to legitimate user concerns. 5. Users should be permitted to decide whether and the degree to which key escrow, trusted third party, or key recovery technologies will be desirable in their environments or not. 6. Trade barriers should not be disguised as cryptographic regulations. 7. Export controls on encryption should be made multilateral in practice and when used, focused narrowly and genuinely on national security threats. They should not be used as indirect domestic controls. 8. Governments should establish and publish the process by which keys will be obtained for government purposes. This process should include independent judicial review, time limits on access, reasonable notice to the key owner when this would not interfere with the purposes of the decryption, and opportunities for independent audit of compliance with legal process. 9. Liability for misuse of escrowed keys should be the subject of international understanding. 10. When key recovery is voluntarily chosen by the user, self-retention of key recovery information should be encouraged.

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Kyl S-474 Anti-Gambling Bill passes committee
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE APPROVED BILL (S-474) BY SEN. KYL (R-ARIZ.) TO PROHIBIT GAMBLING OVER INTERNET.<> - Senate Judiciary Committee approved bill by Sen. Kyl to prohibit gambling over Internet. As proposed by Kyl to panel, bill would have allowed states to allow Internet gambling, but provision was dropped when Sens. Biden and Sessions objected. [TELEVISION DIGEST, 66 words] Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Get Paid To Advertise!
by business＠mail.t-1net.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello! If you would like to find out how you can get paid to advertise your own product, service or business on the Internet, please reply to <megamoneymakers(a)mail.t-1net.com> and type 'info' in the subject line. If this has been sent to you in error, please accept my apology and reply to the forementioned address and type 'remove' in the subject line to be taken off my mailing list.

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Re: Bob - FYI -- not sure if this was already posted ?
by Mark Grant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jonathan Wienke (JonWienk(a)ix.netcom.com) wrote: > Like a kidnapper is really going to encrypt a ransom note so the kidnap > victim's friends won't be able to figure out how to deliver the ransom > money. DUHHHHHHH! But what if you're out at lunch or on vacation, or just moved, and no-one can read the message because they don't have the key? We must have GMR encryption to FBI keys now, just in case! (That's not entirely facetious, I could see them making this kind of argument if CMR is widely adopted... it's not Big Brother, it's just another useful public service). Mark

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FWD: US Computer Security Called a Critical Mess
by Lynne L. Harrison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> W I R E D N E W S http://www.wired.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > BUSINESS CULTURE TECHNOLOGY POLITICS > > T O P S T O R I E S 11:55am 28.Oct.97.PST > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > TECH. 11:55 am > US COMPUTER SECURITY CALLED A > CRITICAL MESS > Saying America's critical infrastructure "stinks," security > guru Peter Neumann fires off a warning over the Clinton > administration's "obvious" recommendations for staving > off hacks. > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > http://www.wired.com/news/email/8053.html ************************************************************* Lynne L. Harrison, Esq. | A Word to the Wise: Poughkeepsie, New York | "When the gods lharrison(a)dueprocess.com | wish to punish us, http://www.dueprocess.com | they answer our prayers." ************************************************************* DISCLAIMER: I am not your attorney; you are not my client. Accordingly, the above is *NOT* legal advice.

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Re: [cpe:3185] Re: rescue Mrs Allen from the Feds (Re: Tim's (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:44:10 -0800 > Subject: Re: [cpe:3185] Re: rescue Mrs Allen from the Feds (Re: Tim's > worst nightmare.,..) (fwd) > In Reply to the Message wherein it was written: > [snip] > >Remember, dead men NEVER won a war. > > Wrong. > > Dead men *win* the wars by foolishly dying for someone or something, but > the really *smart* ones live to enjoy the peace afterwards and rewrite > history to make themselves look good. > > You're cynical all right, but you're just not cynical *enough*. [The names have been changed to protect the idiotic] Dead men are dead, they don't do anything but feed worms. Live men win wars by being the ones who don't say 'uncle'. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Orthogonal (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Mark Rogaski <wendigo(a)ne-wendigo.jabberwock.org> > Subject: Re: Orthogonal (fwd) > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 02:28:33 -0500 (EST) > : Some of you people are fucking worthless for anything other than baiting. > > Oh, come now, any human has many uses if you put your mind to it. > A cheap, renewable replacement for ballistic test gelatin, maybe? ;) Ok, so I was wrong that particular point. Come to think of it, I do need somebody to wipe my butt after I shit too, when I do it my carpal-tunnel syndrome gets aggravated... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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Louis Freeh calls for communication crackdown
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Hettinga wrote that David Kaufman wrote that Reuters wrote: >``It could take a $30 million supercomputer a year to figure out the >simplest encrypted message without this feature,'' Freeh said. ``And >that message might be 'we have the victim and will kill him in an >hour'.'' This seems like a good time to try out The Cypherpunk War Cry: Shine Shine!! Bakayarou!! Aho!! Manuke!! Anpontan!! (Hope it means something bad!) Jonathan Wienke correctly pointed out the absurdity of Freeh's example. But, there are two ways Louis and his supporters can wriggle out of this point. One is that the friends and relatives of the kidnap victime are sometimes tempted to conceal the crime as they may believe that a quiet negotiation and ransom payment will be more likely to secure the hostage's release than involving the authorities. (In many countries it is illegal to do this.) However, if the all knowing and all seeing secret police agency can intercept all communications they will be able to find out and interfere with plans to make ransom payments and jail the friends of the victim. That might be a little rough on the trophy, it is true, but it will be said that this will generally discourage other kidnappings in the future. The second is that encryption makes remailers possible. Remailers make it possible for kidnappers to untraceably send messages. What Louis and his supporters are neglecting is that kidnappers are already able to do this without encryption. The unabomber, while not a kidnapper, is an especially good example. For the at least a decade he was communicating with the FBI itself on a regular basis without facing any consequences. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNFbKiJaWtjSmRH/5AQFNngf+Jly6DbqAU2JFPsF2gghY4tXHmp8XkVx3 t7F2IlBterhE99wxEbs+B6Nm4e0MvOCoTNbKly+XJi4If/3llFbcqBEisiib511N eX7ttczuV+ne5I2yNmt0M5vPwqRG/iaOSvwyDNbKQw72Y19PsMhZLfTp1WXYcYTC y/FcQa7JZKcf0/17kvVTgOq20XB4qxfPVMI6j7L4Dh7qRKl7Ph9CENaUq/uJtbBq NSDgsK64KFktTrERtnisJJA6RtDO+ZKUPU93vyoRuttST34EUDOcUq0QP566BAlw OKfi28+12AJtEqSUD2MEh0EgwLkKWUIkDNUp8yXzgI7BZeSSeoPbDg== =FPRq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Private Health Care [On topic, please read.]
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Michael Sims wrote: [Ed. note: Declan wrote?:] > >>The free market approach won't keep medical records private. > > > In other words, the reason a "free market" approach may not work > > right now is because the market isn't free. > Declan, every part of the "health-care market" that people are > complaining about, the parts of it that routinely and for fiscal > reasons violate people's privacy, are completely and utterly > dollar-driven and do not result from big nasty government making any > laws. This greatly underestimates the influence and involvement of the government. The medical profession uses the government to keep out competitors and keep their prices high. In many areas, the majority of the money spent on legislative campaigns is provided by various professional medical organizations. The flip side is that the medical profession will have a powerful incentive to remain in the good graces of the established political powers, whatever they may be. That means no weird experiments in protecting people's privacy. Doctors are also terribly vulnerable to liability suits. As patients, we are unable to agree to waive most liability. This makes it harder to walk into a doctor's office with a sheaf of bills and ask for service. The doctor has a strong incentive to have everything documented and ship shape because to do otherwise would make him or her look poorly in court. This may also endanger the doctor's liability insurance policy. And, because the medical market is tightly controlled, it is not possible to legally enter the market as an outsider. IMNSHO, I should be able to consult my drug dealer about ailments and their proper medication. The fact is, many people have much greater rapport with their drug dealers than with their doctors and there is often greater concern by the drug dealer for his client's welfare, at least in terms of obvious problems such as pain. Similar things can be said for health insurance companies. They are very greatly constrained in the types of policies they can offer and the sorts of agreements they can make with their customers. You could imagine an anonymous policy which opens with a medical exam which is repeated every so often for couple of years before taking effect. After, say, two years of good health, full coverage on the policy kicks in. Ironically, some states have rules very much like this, minus the anonymity. After a certain number of years all illnesses are covered regardless of whether the customer had the illness previously and lied about it on their application. (Some states even forbid life insurance issuers from excluding suicide for coverage for long term customers! Not only does this raise the price of life insurance, but in certain instances it compels people to kill themselves "for the good of their family". ) Given this legal environment, you would expect some company some where to try to corner the market on anonymous health insurance. There are a few reasons why this does not happen. One is the extreme discretionary power of insurance commissioners. This power is probably even greater than in most industries because the insurance industry is, absurdly, widely hated. No insurance company is going to rock the boat. Insurance regulation also creates a barrier to entry. Many states limit the amount of profit an insurance company can make. These limits are often very low and do not justify new entrants or new and interesting product offerings. Finally, in practice very few people choose their own insurance. The purchase decision is made indirectly by the company they work for. The feedback between what the user of insurance wants and what he or she gets is attenuated by this structure. This structure is required by law in many places because employers are required to provide "free" health insurance to their employees. The federal tax code strongly encourages companies to provide health insurance as it is a benefit which is not taxed as income. There is more to be said on this topic, I am sure. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNFbSfZaWtjSmRH/5AQHP0Af/SiXKivk8zzUlvKgcYw3AFaHx2nad1ezl E/i7mYi887mx5bMhaHKQfcD2l7oXKM/tkU3ym9PXOdngMxdVvZj96XxazDpQMW8o MIhEIwMPlwQsoNylyD0+UraWCX9X/SsyFchTJqlodmn9QH7OrtLtOcnX+ibMB/Wl 3WkvHAIZeEQaSjMYhbEqEZA/N7ojz6WFsY3jQWRmsFbAKmwn0tr+3ncbuzxZP0h+ 6Bq97xnS+17wRPX1hVp04qq+gtgmnDzEmCI1wDqUrGGJXmDHiTYNurOy1mcNUU+L RaguGy69kSBNqOzLen4sV0xL+w2nw8iMVWTQ0Xg1Zo6QgLnAIv+k8w== =DdvV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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<<Vitamin B>>(October 28, 1997) The Power of Ecobabble
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Lotus-FromDomain: ILGW @ BIONOMICS@INTERLIANT @ OUTBOUND From: "VitaminB"<VitaminB(a)bionomics.org> To: "DAILY DOSE"<DAILY_DOSE(a)maxager.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:37:57 -0800 Subject: <<Vitamin B>>(October 28, 1997) The Power of Ecobabble Mime-Version: 1.0 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pop.sneaker.net id VAA29180 Vitamin B: Your Daily Dose of Bionomics October 28, 1997 The Power of Ecobabble Paul Krugman is, without doubt, a well known economist. With a professorship at MIT and a publication list long enough to impress Stephen King, those Nobel guys in Sweden are really the only ones he hasn't impressed. In other words, just the kind of successful, mainstream economist who wouldn't give Bionomics the time of day. Until last week, that is. We don't know why, but out of the blue, Paul Krugman chose to devote his entire _Slate_ column to an analysis of Bionomics (much like a shark will analyze a tuna). Maybe he was wondering why he, a clear expert in the field of evolutionary economics, wasn't invited to speak at our conference (Nov 13-15 in San Francisco plug plug plug). Maybe he actually doesn't think that language and metaphors matter to our mental maps of the economy. Or, maybe he got asked just one too many times, "So, Prof. Krugman, what do you think of _Bionomics_, and this guy Rothschild? He's been talking about biology and economics since 1990." In any case, we're genuinely pleased to see he's spending so much time thinking about Bionomics -- you simply can't write this forcefully about something off-the-cuff. For those who haven't read it yet, the article is included below: The Power of Biobabble Pseudo-economics meets pseudo-evolution. By Paul Krugman The invitation came, rather disappointingly, by conventional mail. Still, it sounded enticing: "The Cato Institute and the Bionomics Institute invite you to Now What? Living With Perpetual Evolution, the fifth annual Bionomics Conference." Leading the list of speakers for the Nov. 13-15 conference was Gregory Benford, one of my favorite science-fiction writers. And at the top of the card was a stirring quotation from Bionomics Institute founder Michael Rothschild: ?Like a deep-sea volcano bursting to the surface, spewing out vast new lands soon to be inhabited by a complex ecosystem, the Web is creating a virtual landscape that will soon be occupied by an awesome array of economic organisms. ... It's evolution at warp speed. Strap yourself in.? The Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank noted mostly for its adamant opposition to government regulation. But what on earth (or in cyberspace) is bionomics--and why is Cato (and _Forbes ASAP_, which is a co-sponsor of the conference) promoting it? Although you have to look at Rothschild's 1990 book, _Bionomics: Economy as Ecosystem_, to get the full flavor, the essential tenets of the movement are spelled out on the Bionomics Institute home page, which offers a primer called "Bionomics 101." The primer explains: [A]ll traditional schools of economics are based on the concepts of classical physics, while bionomics is based on the principles of evolutionary biology. ... [O]rthodox economics describes the "economy as a machine." ... Instead, bionomics says that an economy is like an "evolving ecosystem." A modern market economy is like a tropical rainforest. Sounds good, doesn't it? Bionomics has won converts not only at the Cato Institute but also among a wide variety of influential people ranging from Newt Gingrich to Clyde Prestowitz. (Fortune has described it as "a policymakers' version of The Celestine Prophecy.") And Rothschild is certainly a bright, energetic fellow. There are, however, two big weaknesses in his thinking: He doesn't know much about economics, and he doesn't know much about evolution. When I say that Rothschild doesn't know much about economics, I don't mean that conventional economics is right and his ideas are wrong--although where they differ that is generally true. I mean that his description of what conventional economics is all about bears no relation to what actual economists believe or say. Take, for starters, his assertion that "orthodox economics describes the 'economy as a machine.' " You might presume from his use of quotation marks that this is something an actual economist said, or at least that it was the sort of thing that economists routinely say. But no economist I know thinks of the economy as being anything like a machine--or believes, as Rothschild asserts a bit later, that because the economy is like a machine, it is possible to make precise predictions. (In fact, it was economists who came up with the famed "random walk" hypothesis about stock prices, which says that they are inherently unpredictable.) It gets better. Rothschild tells us, "I know this is hard for non-economists to believe, but orthodox economics essentially ignores technological change." That is even harder for economists to believe. In fact, I don't know how I'm going to break the news to the guy in the next office. You see, poor Bob Solow is under the impression that he got the Nobel Prize for his work on technological change, in particular for his demonstration that technology, not capital accumulation, historically has been the main driving force in economic growth. On a different subject, it's going to be a shock to environmental economists--who have spent decades arguing that one good way to control pollution is to create a market in emission permits--to learn that this is an idea unique to bionomics and totally at odds with orthodox economic thinking. And I'm not feeling too good myself: Rothschild insists that conventional economics depends on the assumption of diminishing returns and that, as a result, economists have completely ignored the possibility of increasing returns. Does this mean I have to give back that medal the American Economic Association gave me for my work on increasing returns and international trade? Well, all this is more or less the usual. Whenever a manifesto about economics contains a sentence that begins, "Orthodox economics assumes that ..." it almost always completes that sentence with something strange and unfamiliar. In just the last two years, I've learned that I believe that gross domestic product is the sole measure of economic welfare, that growth at more than 2.5 percent always causes inflation, and that sudden speculative attacks on currencies can't happen. I've also learned that the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences keeps going to supply-siders--or should that be Marxists? What is surprising, however, is that a man who proposes to replace what he imagines to be the mechanistic worldview of conventional economics with a new view based on evolutionary biology should know so little about the discipline that supposedly inspires him. Rothschild's lack of familiarity with evolutionary theory may not be obvious to uninformed readers--his book bristles with ostentatious footnotes and seemingly learned references. It happens, however, that I am an evolution groupie. I started as a fan of great popularizers like Richard Dawkins and Steven Pinker, and I have since graduated not only to hero worship of the leading evolutionary theorists but also to reading textbooks and even journal articles. And so when I picked up a copy of Bionomics, the first thing I did was check out the author's treatment of my heroes and of what I knew to have been the important developments in evolutionary theory since Darwin. His record was perfect: Not one of the right people was mentioned, not one of the key developments discussed. The bionomics version of what evolutionary theory is about has as little to do with the real thing as its version of what economics is about does. What the bionomics guys apparently think evolution is about is constant, breathless change--strap yourself in!--change so rapid that everything is unpredictable, that the rules themselves are constantly changing. Rothschild seems, in particular, to view evolutionary thinking as the antithesis of "equilibrium economics." Apparently nobody told him that equilibrium thinking--the idea that in order to understand how individuals interact, it is often useful to ask what would happen if each individual was doing the best he or she could given what everyone else is doing--is almost as prevalent in evolutionary theory as it is in economics. In fact, the really funny thing is that for the most part the bionomics program has already been implemented: Economics already is very similar to evolutionary theory, and vice versa. However, neither field looks anything like bionomics. OK, enough already. The really interesting question is why the Cato Institute and other free-market conservatives should be willing to squander their intellectual credibility by associating their names with this sort of thing. After all, conventional economics already has lots of nice things to say about free markets. Why not stick with Adam Smith? Part of the answer, I suspect, is sociological. Traditional conservative causes like the gold standard tend to have a musty, old-fashioned feel. They sound like the sort of thing that appeals mainly to rich old men (and conservative think tanks are, of course, mainly funded by rich old men). Young, vigorous conservatives are therefore always looking for ways to seem more fashion-forward. Some of them parade their knowledge of pop culture, some make a point of being photographed wearing miniskirts, and some go for what we might call the Wired style of economic rhetoric--the continual assertion that things are changing! so fast! that we have to use lots! of exclamation points!!! But there is also a more serious reason that bionomics appeals to the free-market faithful: They find the conventional case for laissez-faire too modest, too conditional, for their tastes. Standard economic theory offers reasons to believe that markets are a good way to organize economic activity. But it does not deify the market system, and it even offers a number of fairly well-defined ways in which markets can fail, or at least could be helped with government intervention. And that, for some conservatives, is just not good enough. Bionomics doesn't actually provide any coherent argument in favor of free markets. In fact, Rothschild's original book seems to hedge its bets: It spends a full chapter ("Japan's Secret Weapon") explaining how government-business cooperation makes the Japanese economy invincible (remember, the book was published in 1990). But what the doctrine lacks in serious argument it makes up for in rhetoric. The economy is an ecosystem, like a tropical rain forest! And what could be worse than trying to control a tropical rain forest from the top down? You wouldn't try to control an ecosystem, wiping out species you didn't like and promoting ones you did, would you? Well, actually, you probably would. I think it's called "agriculture." What do we learn from the willingness of extreme free-market conservatives to associate themselves with crank doctrines like bionomics? I think the main lesson is that their faith in free markets is just that: a faith, which does not rest on either logic or evidence. Belief comes first; then they look for arguments to justify that belief. And they are therefore not too scrupulous about the quality of those arguments, or of those who produce them. Anyway, I guess I won't attend the conference. I would have liked to meet Benford; but I couldn't stand to watch the author of _Great Sky River_ demeaning himself by consorting with such disreputable company. Paul Krugman is a professor of economics at MIT whose books include _The Age of Diminished Expectations_ and _Peddling Prosperity_. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Freeh agitating again
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From Infobeat (http://www.infobeat.com) *** FBI chief calls for computer crime crackdown FBI director Louis Freeh said Tuesday that criminals were moving increasingly into cyberspace and without new laws "drug dealers, arms dealers, terrorists and spies will have immunity like no other". Freeh told the International Association of Chiefs of Police that software manufacturers should be required by law to include a feature that allows police to descramble encrypted communications. Freeh said he supported a cyber surveillance law with these features which passed out of the House Intelligence Committee. For the full text story, see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=5663807-3cc

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digital cash & politics
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:40:46 -0500 (CDT) To: believer(a)telepath.com From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: End of National Markets Forwarded: - ----------- >From the USIA Daily Washington File >http://www.usia.gov/products/washfile.htm > >15 October 1997 > >THE END OF NATIONAL MARKETS (Electronic cash makes regulation difficult) > >by Stephen J. Kobrin > >(Copyright (c) 1997 Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. >Reprinted with permission from FOREIGN POLICY magazine, Summer 1997. >Permission has been obtained covering >republication/translation/abridgment by USIS and the local press >outside the United States.) > >---------------------------- > >Twenty-six years ago, Raymond Vernon's "Sovereignty at Bay" proclaimed >that "concepts such as national sovereignty and national economic >strength appear curiously drained of meaning." > >Other books followed, arguing that sovereignty, the nation-state, and >the national economy were finished -- victims of multinational >enterprises and the internationalization of production. While >sovereign states and national markets have outlasted the chorus of >Cassandras, this time the sky really may be falling. The emergence of >electronic cash and a digitally networked global economy pose direct >threats to the very basis of the territorial state. > >Let us begin with two vignettes. Fact: Smugglers fly Boeing 747s >loaded with illicit drugs into Mexico and then cram the jumbo jets >full of cash -- American bills -- for the return trip. Fiction: Uncle >Enzo, Mafia CEO, pays for intelligence in the digital future of Neal >Stephenson's novel Snow Crash: "He reaches into his pocket and pulls >out a hypercard and hands it toward Hiro. It says 'Twenty-Five Million >Hong Kong Dollars.' Hiro reaches out and takes the card. Somewhere on >earth, two computers swap bursts of electronic noise and the money >gets transferred from the Mafia's account to Hiro's." > >The 747s leaving Mexico are anachronisms, among the last surviving >examples of the physical transfer of large amounts of currency across >national borders. Most money has been electronic for some time. >Virtually all of the trillions of dollars, marks, and yen that make >their way around the world each day take the form of bytes -- chains >of zeros and ones. Only at the very end of its journey is money >transformed into something tangible: credit cards, checks, cash, or >coins. > >Hypercards are here. Mondex, a smart card or electronic purse, can be >"loaded" with electronic money from an automatic teller machine (atm) >or by telephone or personal computer using a card-reading device. >Money is spent either by swiping the card through a retailer's >terminal or over the Internet by using the card reader and a personal >computer. An electronic wallet allows anonymous card-to-card >transfers. > >It is not just the current technology of electronic cash (e-cash) or >even what might be technologically feasible in the future that >presents policymakers with new challenges. Rather, policymakers must >confront directly the implications of this technology -- and, more >generally, the emergence of an electronically networked global economy >-- for economic and political governance. As the U.S. comptroller of >the currency, Eugene Ludwig, has noted, "There is clearly a freight >train coming down the tracks...Just because it hasn't arrived yet >doesn't mean we shouldn't start getting ready." > >ELECTRONIC MONEY > >Many different forms of "electronic money" are under development, but >it is useful to look at three general categories: electronic debit and >credit systems; various forms of smart cards; and true digital money, >which has many of the properties of cash. > >Electronic debit and credit systems already exist. When a consumer >uses an ATM card to pay for merchandise, funds are transferred from >his or her account to the merchant's. Credit cards are used to make >payments over the Internet. Computer software such as Intuit provides >electronic bill payment, and it is but a short step to true electronic >checks --authenticated by a digital signature -- that can be >transmitted to the payee, endorsed, and deposited over the Internet. > >Electronic debit and credit systems represent new, more convenient >means of payment, but not new payment systems. A traditional bank or >credit card transaction lies at the end of every transaction chain. >Smart cards and digital money represent new payment systems with >potentially revolutionary implications. Smart cards are plastic >"credit" cards with an embedded microchip. Many are now used as >telephone or transit payment devices. They can be loaded with currency >from an atm or via a card reader from a telephone or personal >computer, which can then be spent at businesses, vending machines, or >turnstiles that have been equipped with appropriate devices. At this >most basic level, a smart card is simply a debit card that does not >require bank approval for each transaction; clearance takes place each >day and the value resides in third-party accounts. There is no reason, >however, that smart cards have to be limited in this way. > >Banks or other institutions could provide value on smart cards through >loans, payments for services, or products. The immediate transfer of >funds between bank accounts is not necessary; units of value can >circulate from card to card -- and from user to user -- without >debiting or crediting third-party accounts. Assuming confidence in the >creating institution, "money" could be created on smart cards and >could circulate almost indefinitely before redemption. > >Finally, electronic money can take true digital form, existing as >units of value in the form of bytes stored in the memory of personal >computers that may or may not be backed up by reserve accounts of real >money. The money could be downloaded from an account, supplied as a >loan or as payment, or bought with a credit card over the Internet. As >long as digital cash can be authenticated and there is confidence in >its continued acceptance, it could circulate indefinitely, allowing >peer-to-peer payments at will. These are big "ifs," but they are well >within the realm of the possible. > >Imagine a world where true e-cash is an everyday reality. Whether all >of the following assumptions are correct or even immediately feasible >is unimportant; some form of e-cash is coming, and we need to begin >the process of thinking about its as-yet-unexplored consequences for >economic and political governance. > >The year is 2005. You have a number of brands of e-cash on your >computer's hard drive: some withdrawn from a bank in Antigua, some >borrowed from Microsoft, and some earned as payment for your services. >You use the digital value units (DVUs) to purchase information from a >Web site, pay bills, or send money to your daughter in graduate >school. Peer-to-peer payments are easy: You can transfer DVUs to any >computer anyplace in the world with a few keystrokes. > >Your e-cash is secure and can be authenticated easily. It is also >anonymous; governments have not been able to mandate a technology that >leaves a clear audit trail. Public-key encryption technology and >digital signatures allow blind transactions; the receiving computer >knows that the DVUs are authentic without knowing the identity of the >payer. Your e-cash can be exchanged any number of times without >leaving a trace of where it has been. It is virtually impossible to >alter the value of your e-cash at either end of the transaction (by >adding a few more zeros to it, for example). > >DVUs are almost infinitely divisible. Given the virtually negligible >transaction cost, it is efficient for you to pay a dollar or two to >see a financial report over the Internet or for your teenager to rent >a popular song for the few minutes during which it is in vogue. >Microtransactions have become the norm. E-cash is issued -- actually >created -- by a large number of institutions, bank and nonbank. >Electronic currencies (e-currencies) have begun to exist on their own; >many are no longer backed by hard currency and have developed value >separately from currencies issued by central banks. DVUs circulate for >long periods of time without being redeemed or deposited. Consumer >confidence in the issuer is crucial; as with electronic commerce >(e-commerce) in general, brand names have become critical. > >The early 21st century is described as a world of competing >e-currencies, a throwback to the 19th-century world of private >currencies. The better known brands of e-cash are highly liquid and >universally accepted. It is a relatively simple matter for you to set >up filters in your electronic purse to screen out e-currencies that >you do not want to accept. > >GOVERNANCE IN THE DIGITAL WORLD > >E-cash and the increasing importance of digital markets pose problems >for central government control over the economy and the behavior of >economic actors; they also render borders around national markets and >nation-states increasingly permeable -- or, perhaps, increasingly >irrelevant. In a world where true e-cash is an everyday reality, the >basic role of government in a liberal market economy and the relevance >of borders and geography will be drastically redefined. > >While at first glance this concern appears to reflect a traditional >break between domestic and international economic issues, in fact the >advent of e-cash raises serious questions about the very idea of >"domestic" and "international" as meaningful and distinct concepts. >The new digital world presents a number of governance issues, >described below. > >-- Can central banks control the rate of growth and the size of the >money supply? Private e-currencies will make it difficult for central >bankers to control -- or even measure or define -- monetary >aggregates. Several forms of money, issued by banks and nonbanks, will >circulate. Many of these monies may be beyond the regulatory reach of >the state. At the extreme, if, as some libertarians imagine, private >currencies dominate, currencies issued by central banks may no longer >matter. > >-- Will there still be official foreign exchange transactions? E-cash >will markedly lower existing barriers to the transfer of funds across >borders. Transactions that have been restricted to money-center banks >will be available to anyone with a computer. Peer-to-peer transfers of >DVUs across national borders do not amount to "official" foreign >exchange transactions. If you have $200 worth of DVUs on your computer >and buy a program from a German vendor, you will probably have to >agree on a mark-to-dollar price. However, transferring the DVUs to >Germany is not an "official" foreign exchange transaction; the DVUs >are simply revalued as marks. In fact, national currencies may lose >meaning with the development of DVUs that have a universally accepted >denomination. Without severe restrictions on individual privacy -- >which are not out of the question -- governments will be hard-pressed >to track, account for, and control the flows of money across borders. > >-- Who will regulate or control financial institutions? The U.S. >Treasury is not sure whether existing regulations, which apply to both >banks and institutions that act like banks (i.e., take deposits), >would apply to all who issue (and create) e-cash. If nonfinancial >institutions do not accept the extensive regulatory controls that >banks take as the norm, can reserve or reporting requirements be >enforced? What about consumer protection in the event of the >insolvency of an issuer of e-cash, a system breakdown, or the loss of >a smart card? > >-- Will national income data still be meaningful? It will be almost >impossible to track transactions when e-cash becomes a widely used >means of payment, online deals across borders become much easier, and >many of the intermediaries that now serve as checkpoints for recording >transactions are eliminated by direct, peer-to-peer payments. The >widespread use of e-cash will render national economic data much less >meaningful. Indeed, the advent of both e-cash and e-commerce raises >fundamental questions about the national market as the basic unit of >account in the international economic system. > >-- How will taxes be collected? Tax evasion will be a serious problem >in an economy where e-cash transactions are the norm. It will be easy >to transfer large sums of money across borders, and tax havens will be >much easier to reach. Encrypted anonymous transactions will make >audits increasingly problematic. Additionally, tax reporting and >compliance relies on institutions and intermediaries. With e-cash and >direct payments, all sorts of sales taxes, value-added taxes, and >income taxes will be increasingly difficult to collect. More >fundamentally, the question of jurisdiction -- who gets to tax what -- >will become increasingly problematic. Say you are in Philadelphia and >you decide to download music from a computer located outside Dublin >that is run by a firm in Frankfurt. You pay with e-cash deposited in a >Cayman Islands account. In which jurisdiction does the transaction >take place? > >-- Will e-cash and e-commerce widen the gap between the haves and the >have-nots? Participation in the global electronic economy requires >infrastructure and access to a computer. Will e-cash and e-commerce >further marginalize poorer population groups and even entire poor >countries? This widened gap between the haves and the have-nots -- >those with and without access to computers -- could become >increasingly difficult to bridge. > >-- Will the loss of seigniorage be important as governments fight to >balance budgets? Seigniorage originally referred to the revenue or >profit generated due to the difference between the cost of making a >coin and its face value; it also refers to the reduction in government >interest payments when money circulates. The U.S. Treasury estimates >that traditional seigniorage amounted to $773 million in 1994 and that >the reduction in interest payments due to holdings of currency rather >than debt could be as much as $3.5 billion per year. The Bank for >International Settlements reports that the loss of seigniorage for its >11 member states will be more than $17 billion if smart cards >eliminate all bank notes under $25. > >-- Will fraud and criminal activity increase in an e-cash economy? At >the extreme -- and the issue of privacy versus the needs of law >enforcement is unresolved -- transfers of large sums of cash across >borders would be untraceable. There would be no audit trail. Digital >counterfeiters could work from anywhere in the world and spend >currency in any and all places. New financial crimes and forms of >fraud could arise that would be hard to detect, and it would be >extremely difficult to locate the perpetrators. The task of financing >illegal and criminal activity would be easier by orders of magnitude. >E-cash will lower the barriers to entry and reduce the risks of >criminal activity. > >Most of the issues raised in the recent National Research Council >report on cryptography's role in the information society apply >directly to electronic cash. Secure, easily authenticated, and >anonymous e-cash requires strong encryption technology. Anonymous >transactions, however, cannot be restricted to law-abiding citizens. >Encryption makes it as difficult for enforcement authorities to track >criminal activity as it does for criminals to penetrate legitimate >transmissions. Should privacy be complete? Or should law enforcement >authorities and national security agencies be provided access to >e-cash transactions through escrowed encryption, for example? What >about U.S. restrictions on the export of strong encryption technology? >E-cash is global cash; how can governments limit its geographic >spread? Can they even suggest that strong encryption algorithms be >restricted territorially? > >GEOGRAPHIC SPACE VERSUS CYBERSPACE > >A recent U.S. Treasury paper dealing with the tax implications of >electronic commerce argues that new communications technologies have >"effectively eliminated national borders on the information highway." >It is clear from the paper's subsequent discussion, however, that the >more fundamental problem is that electronic commerce may "dissolve the >link between an income-producing activity and a specific location." >The source of taxable income, which plays a major role in determining >liability, is defined geographically in terms of where the economic >activity that produces the income is located. Therein lies the rub: >"Electronic commerce doesn't seem to occur in any physical location >but instead takes place in the nebulous world of 'cyberspace.'" In a >digital economy it will be difficult, or even impossible, to link >income streams with specific geographic locations. > >Digitalization is cutting money and finance loose from its geographic >moorings. The framework of regulation that governs financial >institutions assumes that customers and institutions are linked by >geography -- that spatial proximity matters. E-cash and e-commerce >snap that link. What remains are systems of economic and political >governance that are rooted in geography and are trying nonetheless to >deal with e-cash and markets that exist in cyberspace. The obvious >disconnect here will only worsen over time. > >The geographical rooting of political and economic authority is >relatively recent. Territorial sovereignty, borders, and a clear >distinction between domestic and international spheres are modern >concepts associated with the rise of the nation-state. Territorial >sovereignty implies a world divided into clearly demarcated and >mutually exclusive geographic jurisdictions. It implies a world where >economic and political control arise from control over territory. >The international financial system -- which consists of hundreds of >thousands of computer screens around the globe -- is the first >international electronic marketplace. It will not be the last. E-cash >is one manifestation of a global economy that is constructed in >cyberspace rather than geographic space. The fundamental problems that >e-cash poses for governance result from this disconnect between >electronic markets and political geography. > >The very idea of controlling the money supply, for example, assumes >that geography provides a relevant means of defining the scope of the >market. It assumes that economic borders are effective, that the flow >of money across them can be monitored and controlled, and that the >volume of money within a fixed geographic area is important. All of >those assumptions are increasingly questionable in a digital world >economy. > >Many of our basic tax principles assume that transactions and income >streams can be located precisely within a given national market. That >assumption is problematic when e-cash is spent on a computer network. >It is problematic when many important economic transactions cannot be >located, or may not even take place, in geographic space. > >The increasing irrelevance of geographic jurisdiction in a digital >world economy markedly increases the risks of fraud, money-laundering, >and other financial crimes. Asking where the fraud or money-laundering >took place means asking "Whose jurisdiction applies?" and "Whose law >applies?" We need to learn to deal with crimes that cannot be located >in geographic space, where existing concepts of national jurisdiction >are increasingly irrelevant. > >The term "disintermediation" was first used to describe the >replacement of banks as financial intermediaries by direct lending in >money markets when interest rates rose. It is often used in the world >of e-commerce to describe the elimination of intermediaries by direct >seller-to-buyer transactions over the Internet. Many observers argue >that e-cash is likely to disintermediate banks. Of more fundamental >importance is the possibility that e-cash and e-commerce will >disintermediate the territorial state. > >To be clear, I argue that we face not the end of the state, but rather >the diminished efficacy of political and economic governance that is >rooted in geographic sovereignty and in mutually exclusive territorial >jurisdiction. Questions such as: "Where did the transaction take >place?" "Where did the income stream arise?" " Where is the financial >institution located?" and "Whose law applies?" will lose meaning. >E-cash and e-commerce are symptoms, albeit important ones, of an >increasing asymmetry between economics and politics, between an >electronically integrated world economy and territorial nation-states, >and between cyberspace and geographic space. How this asymmetry will >be resolved and how economic and political relations will be >reconstructed are two of the critical questions of our time. > >WHAT IS TO BE DONE? > >The question asked here is not "What is feasible?" but "What are the >limits of the possible?" Whether the picture presented here is correct >in all -- or even some -- of its details is unimportant. A digital >world economy is emerging. Imagining possible scenarios is necessary >if we are to come to grips with the consequences of this revolution. >The purpose here is to raise problems rather than to solve them and to >imagine possible futures and think about their implications for >economic and political governance. A digital world economy will demand >increasing international cooperation, harmonizing national regulations >and legislation, and strengthening the authority of international >institutions. > >The harmonization of national regulations will help to prevent >institutions, such as those issuing e-cash, from slipping between >national jurisdictions or shopping for the nation with the least >onerous regulations. However, it will not address the basic problem of >the disconnect between geographic jurisdiction and an electronically >integrated global economy. > >If it is impossible to locate transactions geographically -- if the >flows of e-cash are outside of the jurisdictional reach of every >country -- then the harmonization of national regulations will >accomplish little. The basic problem is not one of overlapping or >conflicting jurisdictions; it stems from the lack of meaning of the >very concept of "jurisdiction" in a digitalized global economy. >The erosion of the viability of territorial jurisdiction calls for >strengthened international institutions. It calls for giving >international institutions real authority to measure, to control, and, >perhaps, to tax. The Basle Committee on Banking Supervision -- an >international body of bank regulators who set global standards -- >could perhaps be given the authority to collect information from >financial institutions wherever they are located and formulate and >enforce regulations globally. Interpol, or its equivalent, may have to >be given jurisdiction over financial crimes, regardless of where they >are committed. That does not mean a world government; it does mean a >markedly increased level of international cooperation. > >The questions we must face are whether territorial sovereignty will >continue to be viable as the primary basis for economic and political >governance as we enter the 21st century, and what the implications >will be for the American economy -- and Americans in general -- if we >refuse to cooperate internationally in the face of an increasingly >integrated global economy. > > --------------------- > >ELECTRONIC CASH: A GLOSSARY > >DIGITAL DATA: Information coded into a series of zeros and ones that >can be transmitted and processed electronically. > >DIGITAL SIGNATURE: A code that allows absolute authentication of the >origin and integrity of a document, check, or electronic cash that has >been sent over a computer network. A blind signature allows >authentication without revealing the identity of the sender. > >DISINTERMEDIATION: The substitution of direct transactions for those >that are mediated. The term originated when rising interest rates >caused savings to be withdrawn from banks -- whose interest rates were >capped -- and invested in money market instruments that were the >direct debts of borrowers. Banks were disintermediated. In electronic >commerce, the term refers to the rise of direct buyer-to-seller >relationships over the Internet, disintermediating wholesalers and >retail outlets. > >ELECTRONIC MONEY: Units or tokens of monetary value that take digital >form and are transmitted over electronic networks. Digital Value Units >are the basic units of denomination of electronic money; they may or >may not correspond to units of national currency. > >ENCRYPTION: The coding of information for security purposes, such as >credit card numbers or electronic cash used over the Internet. >Public-key encryption uses a mathematical algorithm comprising a pair >of strings of numbers to encrypt and decrypt the data. For example, >the sender would encrypt the data with the receiver's public key and >the receiver would decrypt with his or her private key. > >INTERNET: A global network of linked networks that allows >communication and the sharing of information among many different >types of computers. The World Wide Web is a graphical system on the >Internet that allows rapid movement between documents and computers >through the use of embedded (hypertext) links. > >SMART CARDS: A plastic card, similar to a credit card, containing a >microchip that can be used to retrieve, store, process, and transmit >digital data like electronic cash or medical information. > ----------------------- > >(Stephen J. Kobrin is the director of the Lauder Institute of >Management and International Studies and the William Wurster professor >of multinational management at the Wharton School of the University of >Pennsylvania. This paper develops themes raised at a discussion of >electronic money at the 1997 annual meeting of the World Economic >Forum in Davos, Switzerland.) ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: subscribe ignition-point email@address or unsubscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** http://www.telepath.com/believer ********************************************** ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Is mixmaster dead?
by Russell Nelson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lance hasn't updated his mixmaster page in over a year. Is mixmaster dead? -- -russ <nelson(a)crynwr.com> http://www.crynwr.com/~nelson | Freedom is the Crynwr Software supports freed software | PGPok | primary cause of peace. 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | Taxes feed the naked Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | and clothe the hungry.

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6 weeks in jail for carrying vitamins [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> MAN SPENDS 6 WEEKS IN JAIL AFTER VITAMINS MISTAKEN FOR HEROIN > > October 29, 1997 > Web posted at: 7:21 p.m. EST (0021 GMT) > > NORTH CHARLESTON, South Carolina (AP) -- For six weeks, Malvin > Marshall sat in jail because police thought he was carrying heroin > in his pocket. Police didn't believe him when he said it was mushy > vitamins. > > On Monday, the charges were dropped. Lab tests showed he was > carrying mushy vitamins. [remainder deleted]

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Crypto FTP for NT?
by Evil Erik 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone know of a crypto based FTP for NT? At this point, freeware, shareware, commercial is fine.. We'd prefer not to have to roll our own.. (Yes, I know about F-Secure's SFTP, but that is still a few months off..) Thanks, -=erik.

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