December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Announcement: RPK InvisiMail released on 12 Jan, 1998
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart compared the PR of RPK New Zealand's crypto to Peter Gutmann's claims for NZ export controls. This contrast confirms the report a few days back that any commercial crypto product that receives export approval from any country is probably compromised notwithstanding the manufacturer's claims otherwise. Not that it's news here, but this appears to be the unpublished requirement for granting of approvals, case by case. Either cooperate or face indefinite delays. As Peter noted some time ago, this is what he was running into when he could not get a clear answer about NZ regulations, and parallels reports of similar experiences in the US, UK and other countries. There is a similar current thread on UK Crypto about the difficulty of getting a straight answer about crypto policy from HMG while observing the success of cooperating crypto manufacturers. It will be interesting to see how hard Congress pushes in the new session to expose what the Administration is up to behind BXA's closed doors in contrast to open accounts. And, what will be revealed (and concealed) bit by bit from the horse-trading of the Bernstein, Karn and Junger cases.

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera) This remailer list is somewhat phooey. Go check out http://www.publius.net/rlist.html for a good one. Last update: Thu 23 Oct 97 15:48:06 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ------------ 5:03:45 99.86% nym config(a)nym.alias.net +*#**#**### :34 95.82% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org #*##*+#**** 2:00 95.44% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +++ ++++++* 19:18 95.27% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de -- ---+--- 2:34:19 95.16% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net *++***+ ++ 11:26 95.11% replay remailer(a)replay.com **** *** 10:06 94.93% arrid arrid(a)juno.com ----.------ 8:50:34 94.41% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org --------- 3:38:29 93.53% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org + +*+*+*+ 16:32 92.80% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca + +*-++++ 24:14 92.79% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -..-..---- 9:59:18 92.22% neva remailer(a)neva.org ------****+ 1:03:02 90.39% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com 4:58:22 -36.97% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net 1:01:28 -2.65% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Re: Technologies of Political Control
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A bit more on getting a copy of the report: An Appraisal of Technologies of Political Control It is Scientific and Technological Options Assessment (STOA) of the European Parliament offering the report, not British MEP Glyn Ford, who was its sponsor. For a copy to be sent by snail, fax a request to STOA in Luxembourg: 352-4300-22418 No electronic version is available from STOA. Draft reports remain in paper format until finalized by the European Parliament, which may take a while. STOA's publications web site was last updated in July 1996, and its rep apologized for the trailing-edge tech. http://www.europarl.eu.int/dg4/stoa/en/publi/publi.htm

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cookies and spam
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> 5. .reba.com (country music) cypherpunks cypherpunks > wafer RebaNet%5FPWD=cypherpunks > wafer RebaNet%5FUID=cypherpunks Yes, and thank you for signing up the list for their spam. cypherpunks/cypherpunks also works for dejanews, but at least I had the sense to send the replies to alt.anonymous.messages.

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CyberSitter to the rescue.
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 17:19:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: qnx.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Cc: bostic(a)bsdi.com Subject: CyberSitter to the rescue. Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 16:08:19 -0500 From: glen mccready <glen(a)qnx.com> Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org X-Mailing-List: <0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org> archive/latest/2639 X-Loop: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Status: U Forwarded-by: Faried Nawaz <fn(a)LISP-READER.Hungry.COM> Forwarded-by: acb(a)zikzak.net (Andrew C. Bulhak) Forwarded-by: Matt Curtis <mattc(a)beam.com.au> This is from the PerForce mailing list, PerForce is a source code control system that doesn't use mounted drives, but instead uses TCP/IP socket communications to check code in and out. ----- Well, I just spent several hours tracking something down that I think is SO braindead that it must be called evil. I hope this will save someone else some hassle. There's an NT box on my desk that someone else uses every now and then. This machine is otherwise used as my programming box and backup server. All of a sudden, my programming files were being corrupted in odd places. I thought "hmm, my copy must be corrupt". So I refreshed the files. No change. "hmm, the code depot copy must be corrupt".. Checked from other machines. No problem there. Viewed the file from a web based change browser in Internet Explorer. Same corruption in the file. Telnet'd to the server machine and just cat'd the file to the terminal. Same problem. What's going on? The lines that were corrupted were of the form #define one 1 /* foo menu */ #define two 2 /* bar baz */ What I always saw ON THIS MACHINE ONLY was: #define one 1 /* foo */ # fine two 2 /* bar baz */ Can you guess what was happening? Turns out, someone had inadvertly installed this piece of garbage called CyberSitter, which purports to protect you from nasty internet content. Turns out that it does this by patching the TCP drivers and watching the data flow over EVERY TCP STREAM. Can you spot the offense word in my example? It's "NUDE". Seems that cybersitter doesn't care if there are other characters in between. So it blanks out "nu */ #de" without blanking out the punctuation and line breaks. Very strange and stupid. It also didn't like the method name "RefreshItems" in another file, since there is obviously a swear word embedded in there. Sheesh. It's so bad it's almost funny. Hope this brightens your day as much as it brighted mine :-). ---- +----------------------+---+ | Ross Johnson | | E-Mail: rpj(a)ise.canberra.edu.au | Info Sciences and Eng|___| | University of Canberra | FAX: +61 6 2015227 | PO Box 1 | | Belconnen ACT 2616 | WWW: http://willow.canberra.edu.au/~rpj/ | AUSTRALIA | +--------------------------+ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Spies Like Us.
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 12:33:35 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: qnx.com: localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Subject: Spies Like Us. Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 11:21:56 -0500 From: glen mccready <glen(a)qnx.com> Resent-From: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org X-Mailing-List: <0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org> archive/latest/2642 X-Loop: 0xdeadbeef(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: 0xdeadbeef-request(a)substance.abuse.blackdown.org Forwarded-by: Nev Dull <nev(a)bostic.com> Forwarded-by: chuck <Chuck(a)Yerkes.com> Forwarded-by: David HM Spector <spector(a)zeitgeist.com> Forwarded-by: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 1998 13:42:26 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Tsang <dtsang(a)sun1.lib.uci.edu> To: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> Subject: CIA changes Web FAQ: concedes spying on Americans Last month, the CIA had to change its Web FAQ page because of my case, Tsang v. CIA, which was settled when the CIA promised not to spy on me again. But it refused to make the same promise to cover other Americans. The original FAQ page had said "No" to a question whether or not it spies on Americans. Now it concedes it spies on Americans. The new CIA FAQ is at: http://www.odci.gov/cia/public_affairs/faq.html See my account in Sunday's (Jan. 18) Los Angeles Times Opinion page: A CIA Target at Home in America. It can be found at: http://www.latimes.com/sbin/my_iarecord.pl?NS-doc-path=/httpd/docs/HOME/NEW… OPINION/t000005584.html&NS-doc-offset=1&NS-collection=DailyNews&NS-search-set=/ var/tmp/34c3e/aaaa001wBc3eacf& Daniel C. Tsang Bibliographer for Asian American Studies & Social Sciences (Economics, Politics) Machine-Readable Data Files Librarian Lecturer, School of Social Sciences 380 Main Library University of California PO Box 19557 Irvine CA 92623-9557 USA dtsang(a)uci.edu (714) 824-4978 (714) 824-5740 fax homepage: http://sun3.lib.uci.edu/~dtsang add suffix for news: /netnews1.htm politics: /pol.htm economics: /econ.htm asian american studies: /aas.htm soc sci data archives: /ssda.htm public opinion: /pod.htm AWARE: awarefs/htm host, "Subversity" on KUCI, 88.9 FM in Orange County each Tuesday from 5-6 p.m.; selected shows w/ audio online: http://www.kuci.uci.edu/~dtsang/subversity N.B.: This is NOT official University of California correspondence. --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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Video & cryptography...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I was in a discussion with several people regarding the rate if improvement of current video production equipment and how it would effect the veracity of video images of all sorts in future legal cases. Is anyone aware of anybody working on a mechanism to digitaly sign video and photographs (a cool app of stego I suspect)? This would alleviate a great deal of mistrust for security video cams and such. What I had in mind was the manufacturer puts a unique key in each machines rom's and when each image comes in a signature of the image and the key is stored in the interframe retraces that are normaly not shown (ala videotext). I asked a couple of people in the biz that I know and it seemed a new concept to them. Just a thought... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Cylink and Organized Crime?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mr. Gene Carozza Security Public Relations Cylink Corporation Dear Mr. Carozza, We have received two recent e-mail messages concerning Cylink's alleged links to organized crime. The messages may be seen on the Web at: http://jya.com/cylinked.htm This is a serious charge. Could you provide information to answer it? Sincerely, John Young

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Re: Cylink and Organized Crime?
by Gene Carozza 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear John, Thanks for your inquiry. These "serious charges" are completely inaccurate. Regards, Gene C. At 12:42 PM 1/26/98 -0500, John Young wrote: >Mr. Gene Carozza >Security Public Relations >Cylink Corporation > >Dear Mr. Carozza, > >We have received two recent e-mail messages concerning >Cylink's alleged links to organized crime. The messages >may be seen on the Web at: > > http://jya.com/cylinked.htm > >This is a serious charge. Could you provide information to >answer it? > >Sincerely, > >John Young > > > Gene Carozza Phone: 408-328-5175 Sr. Public Relations Manager Fax: 408-774-2522 Cylink Corp. Pager: 1-800-716-6434 910 Hermosa Ct. Cell: 408-529-8402 Sunnyvale, CA 94086 email: carozza(a)cylink.com www.cylink.com

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Burning Papers - Plastics - Cyanides - Reference
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, It took a few minutes to find one, but below is just one of the many standards that are implimented for plastic uses in the home that make reference to minimal levels of HCN in particular. Despite what some folks would like you to believe, plastics in conflagration are *NOT* safe to inhale even in small quantitites because of these gases. Note that I edited a bunch of lines out for brevity. Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.cern.ch/CERN/Divisions/TIS/safdoc/IS/is41/table1.html > > IS 41 : TABLE 1 > > Test Standards and Specifications > for the Selection of Plastics > > TEST > Standards (1) > Requirements > _________________________________________________________________ > [text deleted] > > Duration of flame application 60 s unless > otherwise stated according to Clause 5. > Time to extinction: 30 s * > Damaged length (mm) must be measured* > > FV0 or FV1 > 94 V0, 94V1 > > FT >260!C. Length burnt > _________________________________________________________________ > [text deleted] > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Toxicity > Toxicity of fire gases > > ABD 0031 > > HF HC1 HCN SO2 + H2S CO NO + NO2 > _________________________________________________________________ > [remainder deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Latest Clinton dodge?
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Clinton said this morning: >>>> I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time -- never. These allegations are false. <<<< The question then becomes, of course, what does "sexual relations" mean? Is it oral sex? -Declan

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Re: Burning papers (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:05:54 +0100 (MET) > Subject: Re: Burning papers (fwd) > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > As usual Jim, your posting is prolific but your science is lacking. Ad hominims, opinions, and no proof... > bind to whatever it comes in contact with (usually oxygen). The only way > cyanide could escape in gaseous form is as HCN, however this cannot happen > because the hydrogen has a lower activation energy for combining with > oxygen, and thus the reaction is starved of free hydrogen by the time the > carbon begins to burn. Various other nitrogen compounds are produced, > such as NOx, but this is true of all combustion and not limited to plastic. I have forwarded to the list a single safety standard for plastics and fires. It *specificaly* mentions HCN, so apparently it not only can happen but does often enough they want to test for it on a national level. There are many more out there and as I said before, if you contact your local fire dept. they can provide you with documentation as well. > A more likely (and deadly) result, which you did not mention, is sulfur > dioxide. Most plastics don't contain sulfur, but rubber products may. Sulfur dioxide is present and does pose a threat, fortunately it's a rather short termed threat and treatable. Sulfur dioxide turns into sulphuric acid in the water of the body. Not to mention it burns up the oxygen in formation. The biggest threat with the acids that are produced in a fire is to your possessions. They soak this stuff up and then when the firemen put the fire out they use water which creates acids. These acids effect the components of your possessions over an extended time. > Sulfur dioxide combines with water to produce H2SO3 and H2SO4 (sulfuric > acid) which is quite toxic if inhaled. Depends on the molarity. It is nowhere near as toxic as cyanide on a per part basis. > Most smoke inhalation deaths result for particles clogging the lungs rather > than gases. Cats have a tendency to hide when they feel threatened or > injured, an instinct which often imperils them in a burning building. Actualy most smoke inhalation deaths occur because of lack of oxygen and the elevated temperatures. The actual clogging process would take much longer than the 2-3 minutes most smoke deaths take to occur. As to cats hiding, they tend to hind *under* furniture which is actualy the *safest* place to be, the clearest air is next to the floor. It was also where my cats were found, in the living room under the couch where the smoke very clearly never got below about shoulder height - it stains the walls quite well. The fire didn't even make it into that part of the house, it stopped in the next room. The fire itself burned for less than 20 minutes total because the neighbor saw it about 5 minutes after the person who accidently set it off had left. The fire station was on the next block. It was very quick. The firemen were very careful to explain to me exactly why the cats died, gases from the plastics (HCN was specificaly mentioned) and the temperature of the air (they estimate over 350F). While not enough to cause spontaneous combustion it is more than enough to cook the lungs. The air was hot enough that several plastic bags holding wargame materials within 1 ft of the floor were melted but the paper materials were not even scorched. This would further indicate that the damage was done by the temperature of the gas and not direct flame or smoke. > Also remember that computers have materials in them other than plastic, for > example lead and other heavy metals. Batteries and electrolytic capacitors > are also sources of many toxic materials. The leads on most components are an aluminum compound (my background is EE) and they typicaly don't start to burn until well over 800F, aluminum itself burns at 600. Since typical tip temperatures in soldering (lead eutecticts only - not indium composites) are in the 600 to 700 it is clear that pure aluminum would not be desirable. So they mix tin and other compounds with it. As to electrolytics, the liquid plastics that make up the dielectrics are very toxic and most certainly give off xCN compounds when burned. Just for the record, Lead (the element) is not generaly used in modern electronics except in a eutectic solder mix for connections. I have several computers that were burned in the fire and the majority of the solder on the pcb's was *not* evaporated. In most cases it wasn't even melted even though the case was completely gone (2 A1000's that work fine though the cases were completely destroyed by the temperature of the air, not fire). > In short, it's not the plastic that's toxic, it's all the other crap (ink, > dye, glue, solder, batteries, dielectric, etc) Malarky. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Video & cryptography... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> > Subject: Re: Video & cryptography... > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:56:57 -0500 (EST) > Schneier, Wagner and Kelsey have done some work on an authenticating > camera. > > One issue to be concerned with is that what the camera sees is not > always the truth. Putting a film set together to film bigfoot is > easy. The fact that the film is authenticated as having come from the > camera doesn't mean a whole lot in some cases. Doesn't this same sort of issue arise from any other digital signature process then? There should be nothing fundamentaly different between the characteristics of a video camera signing a frame than a person signing email. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Latest Clinton dodge?
by miner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:55 PM 1/26/98 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >Clinton said this morning: > >>>>> > I want you to listen to me. I'm >going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that >woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time >-- never. These allegations are false. Doesn't gennifer flowers has(had?) an audio tape of clinton asking her to deny their affair, there is no proof, etc.? I think a sequence of that audio and then the above statement played maybe 10 times on CNN would make a nice piece of news. ><<<< > >The question then becomes, of course, what does "sexual relations" mean? > >Is it oral sex? > >-Declan > > >

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RE: Update on New Zealand crypto policy
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Need help: Can anyone get to this URL? Ern -----Original Message----- From: pgut001(a)cs.auckland.ac.nz [SMTP:pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz] Sent: Saturday, January 24, 1998 4:20 PM To: cryptography(a)c2.net Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Subject: Update on New Zealand crypto policy As part of my recent effort to prepare a useful home page after 2 years of having instead a mini text adventure, I've finally got around to finishing off the web page containing the recent history of, and current state of, New Zealands crypto export policy as decided by several intelligence agencies and a supporting cast of bungling bureaucrats. This policy has resulted in New Zealand enjoying the dubious distinction of having the strictest export controls on earth, with everything ranging from crypto hardware down to software, library books, computer magazines, and journals being restricted from export. It's not even possible for a university to publish academic research without prior permission from a government agency, and the requirements for obtaining this permission are structured to ensure that they can never be fulfilled. You can find the information on: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/ The page also contains links to a sizeable collection of never-before- published documents including correspondence with relevant government agencies, and media reports on the situation. If you're going to send me mail about this, please note that I'll be at Usenix in San Antonio for the next week, so it'll take awhile for me to reply. My PGP key's at the bottom of my home page if you need it. Peter.

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Compaq / DEC buyout
by David Miller 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim, I'm forwarding this to the list: Jim Choate wrote: > >From the news on CNN it's a done deal. DEC share holders are supposed to get > like $30/share and some sort of transfer of stocks... Oh, shit. Well, it seems as though Compaq has been pulling away from Intel lately (towards AMD), so perhaps this will be a GoodThing(tm), because otherwise DEC might turn out to be like Apple, except to die a much, much slower death. > Wonder if this means that Compaq will go head to head with MS/Intel now? I think so. Tim had mentioned that last he heard the Intel/DEC deal was dead. Perhaps this is what he was talking about. The thing is, how much about the Alpha does Intel know, and does this mean yet another round of lawsuits? I'm afraid that Intel may know enough now to make a 1GHz pentium, which would probably a ModeratelyBadThing(tm). I'd much prefer DEC to save mankind and lead them into the next millenium. > They will certainly have the experience and the market name to attempt it. > Last time I checked the Alpha was still a good deal faster than the Pentium. Yep, but for how much longer? Some elephants never die, and right now it looks like Intel can once again save MicroSoft's OS by hardware (ironically via DEC). NT bloats as the hardware gets faster. > Now since Compaq can use vertical marketing in regards to Alpha chips they > should be able to produce much more competitive machines price wise than DEC > was able to do. > > I have a fond place for DEC, a PDP/8e was the first machine I ever actualy > got to put my hands on. I miss the front panel switches sometimes (not often > though)... I'll aways have a fondness in my heart for installing RSTS from a TU-10 tapedrive and having to wait almost an hour for it to fall off the spindle before having to start all over... --David Miller middle rival devil rim lad

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Compaq / DEC buyout (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 15:46:58 -0800 > From: David Miller <dm0(a)avana.net> > Subject: Compaq / DEC buyout > Oh, shit. Well, it seems as though Compaq has been pulling away from Intel > lately (towards AMD), so perhaps this will be a GoodThing(tm), because > otherwise DEC might turn out to be like Apple, except to die a much, much > slower death. Had DEC not been bought this is exactly (IMO) what would have happened. > I'm afraid that Intel may know enough now to make a 1GHz pentium, which would > probably a ModeratelyBadThing(tm). I'd much prefer DEC to save mankind and > lead them into the next millenium. Unless my info is seriously off DEC is already shipping 500MHz Alpha's and has 1GHz chips in test. DEC historicaly has been way ahead of Intel (say a year or so which in this business is a lot) and I don't see any reason to suspect that to stop. A comparison of base technology between Intel and DEC leads me to believe DEC is ahead a good margin. Intel won because of the price (DEC has historicaly been very expensive) and support of MS and IBM. (remember, nobody ever lost their job for buying IBM) > Yep, but for how much longer? Some elephants never die, and right now it > looks like Intel can once again save MicroSoft's OS by hardware (ironically > via DEC). NT bloats as the hardware gets faster. The only question I have is whether MS will continue to produce a HAL for WinNT 5.0 or whatever they call it. That could put a serious crimp in Compaq/DEC and would most definitely spawn a new round of lawsuites. Had you realized that when we break the 1GHz barrier it won't be safe to operate these machines without the cover on them? It'd be like breaking the inter-lock on your microwave. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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HCN & Plastics
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Per [1], "There are many compounds in which carbon is bonded to Nitrogen. Hydrogen Cyanide, HCN, is commercialy prepared by the ... The compound is highly poisonous, low boiling liquid (boiling point, 26.5C) an dis used in the manufacture of plastics." ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| [1] Chemistry, 6ed. Mortimer ISBN 0-534-05670-9 pp. 670

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Paper withdraws story of Clinton sex 'witness' [fwd - infobeat]
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** Paper withdraws story of Clinton sex 'witness' The Dallas Morning News withdrew its Internet report Tuesday that a Secret Service agent was ready to testify seeing President Clinton and Monica Lewinsky in a compromising situation. The Dallas paper took the report off its online edition and posted a statement saying its source for the story had told them his information was wrong. The paper had carried a front page report on its electronic Web site saying the agent had spoken with independent counsel Kenneth Starr's staff and was ready to testify as a government witness in the sex scandal engulfing the White House. But within 4 hours the paper had pulled the report and replaced it with a statement which said "the source for the story, a longtime Washington lawyer familiar with the case, later said the information provided for that report was inaccurate. See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=7164923-842 Maryland officials say Tripp may have broken law, See http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=7159919-bc9 -- #!/usr/bin/perl eval unpack u,'J)",](DIU<W0@06YO=&AE<B!097)L($AA8VME<EQN(CMP<FEN="!T:6UE'; ========================================================================== Vipul Ved Prakash | - Electronic Security & Crypto mail(a)vipul.net | - Web Objects 91 11 2233328 | - PERL Development 198 Madhuban IP Extension | - Linux & Open Systems Delhi, INDIA 110 092 | - Networked Virtual Spaces

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NetCenter Member Services - VeriSign Digital ID Request
by id-center＠verisign.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Video & cryptography... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> > Subject: Re: Video & cryptography... (fwd) > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 17:02:53 -0500 (EST) > | Doesn't this same sort of issue arise from any other digital signature > | process then? There should be nothing fundamentaly different between the > | characteristics of a video camera signing a frame than a person signing > | email. > > It arises in a different context; with a signature on paper, > you're generally indicating that you've read and consented to whats on > the paper, not that you created it. Isn't signing the document at least in theory a participatory creative act? If you don't sign it then it doesn't exist in the same context as if you do. Otherwise why have the signature? If I use a camera to sign a digital image am I not stating that I have viewed and consented to the image being a valid representation of what the lens saw? Seem quite similar to me. > The meaning of a camera signing a > video still is not obvious to me. Is it intended to be 'this is what > we saw through the lens?' or 'this is what really happened?' A mechanism to sign a digital image would provide some base protection against altering the image surreptitously, just as why you sign (and get a copy) of other documentary evidence. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Compaq / DEC buyout
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:46 PM -0800 1/26/98, David Miller wrote: >Jim, I'm forwarding this to the list: > >Jim Choate wrote: >I think so. Tim had mentioned that last he heard the Intel/DEC deal was dead. >Perhaps this is what he was talking about. The thing is, how much about the This grossly distorts what I have said. I don't have time to sift through my posts on Intel and DEC, but I can't believe I said anything so simplistic as "the Intel/DEC deal is dead." (Or even "was dead," if we want to get into Clintonesque semantics.) --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Fear, loathing, and Bill Gates (fwd)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:14:51 -0800 (PST) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: FC: Fear, loathing, and Bill Gates ******** Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:42:08 -0500 From: Don Bx <dboudreaux(a)fee.org> To: declan(a)well.com Subject: Re: More on Don Boudreaux "Calm Down" letter on Microsoft Declan, I had a thought that I must share. In reflecting upon the genuine hatred and fear that people increasingly have for Bill Gates and Microsoft, it occurred to me that this hatred and fear have much in common with the hatred and fear stirred up a decade or so ago against Japan. In both cases, people proved their affection for Japanese goods by buying them, but they also grew leary of Japan after being barraged on the air-waves by idiot pundits who insinuated that Japan had some sort of recipe for taking over the American economy. Economic serfdom was near, avoidable only by trade restraints. And, of course, behind this fear-mongering were U.S. rent-seeking firms that sought to be relieved of having to compete as vigorously as otherwise. Needless to say, Japan was never a threat to "take over" the American economy, or to harm it in any way. The same is true of Microsoft (as long as it doesn't rely upon government favors). The fear and hatred in both cases -- against Japan in the 1980s and against MS today -- is illogical and uninformed. But it is, for MS, increasingly real. Don ********* Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:02:07 -0600 (CST) From: Mac Norton <mnorton(a)cavern.uark.edu> To: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> Cc: politech(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Re: FC: More on Don Boudreaux "Calm Down" letter on Microsoft Let me see if i get this right:DOJ got guns , MS don't got guns, therefore I'm for MS. Is that it? Gee thee's some heavy intellectual discourse going on here, you betcha. MacN ********* Date: Wed, 21 Jan 1998 16:23:25 -0500 (EST) From: Donald Weightman <dweightman(a)Radix.Net> To: declan(a)well.com Subject: Re: FC: More on Don Boudreaux "Calm Down" letter on Microsoft DB doesn't seem to know much about antitrust -- it *does* scrutinize strongarm tactics when wielded by someone with market power, as MSFT almost certainly has. The claim about harm to the economy is pretty far ranging for someone who seems to have no expertise in the field. As an example of where antitrust has done good, I'd point to the gov't-mandated restucturing of the electric utility industry in the '30's (actually administered by the SEC), which can be argued to have laid the groundwork for the huge productivity gains that industry made for the next three decades. Cheers Don ******** Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 16:59:05 EST From: JEisenach(a)aol.com To: declan(a)well.com Subject: Re: FC: "Calm down!" -- Don Boudreaux letter to NYT on Microsoft Now that Microsoft has given up its inexplicable defense of an indefensible licensing arrangement, it may be a lot easier for everyone involved to "calm down." Calming down should not, however, mean giving Microsoft carte blanche to use its undeniable market power to shape the future of the market for software. What it should mean is devising a workable policy for applying sound antitrust principles to the software business -- and that's a very big task. Many of Microsoft's arguments have merit. It is true, for example, that rapid innovation and low (physical) capital requirements for entry make its monopoly more vulnerable than it otherwise might be. However, other arguments Microsoft has offered -- for example, falling prices -- are pretty lame. Falling relative to WHAT? is the relevant question (look at industrial prices during the second industrial revolution -- which went through long periods of decline despite the emergence of the steel, oil, railroad, etc. trusts). As for Microsoft's "opponents," their case has a fair amount of appeal -- and it's not just visceral. Microsoft clearly has market power in the market for operating systems. Operating systems are required for personal computers to operate. Microsoft has exercised its market power pretty aggressively. And, it shows every intention of continuing to exercise its market power to delay innovations that threaten it and to extend its dominant position into future generations of technology. I don't think many people dispute anything in the previous paragraph. What people ARE concerned about, of course, is the potential for an overly intrusive and regulatory approach by government that could slow down innovation -- a policy built around the idea of protecting competitors rather than protecting competition. I frankly haven't seen Joel Klein say anything that suggests they are headed in this direction -- but I sure agree that "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." Now that we all have a chance to "calm down," my hope is that a rational debate can emerge on the question of how the goals of antitrust law (i.e. a market free of impediments to competition, regardless of their source) can best be pursued in the software/computing business. And, I'm not prepared to concede that letting Microsoft exercise its market power without any restraints at all is the best we can do, even in this very imperfect world. To close with a plug: on February 5, The Progress & Freedom Foundation will be hosting a conference at the Four Seasons Hotel in DC on this very topic. Participants include a virtual "who's who" of the market-based "Chicago school" of antitrust economists and lawyers -- Nick Economides, Benjamin Klein, James C. Miller, Tim Muris, Dan Oliver, Bob Tollison, Robert Willig, etc. It's open to the public and reasonably priced. For information, see WWW.pff.org. ******** Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 09:02:15 -0500 From: Don Bx <dboudreaux(a)fee.org> To: declan(a)well.com My comment about the DOJ having guns and Microsoft not has drawn fire. Fair enough. But I defend my point, which is this: Microsoft gets customers only by offering them deals that they are free to accept or reject. No coercion is involved. If you don't buy MS products, no one threatens you with imprisonment or violence. In contrast, when government regulates commerce (beyond the enforcement of contracts and traditional tort and criminal law) it dictates the terms of exchanges -- ultimately at the point of a gun -- that we cannot be certain are mutually advantageous. When A and B exchange voluntarily with each other, we can be sure that both A and B each believes himself to be better off as a consequence of the exchange. When a third party wielding the threat of coercive power prevents these voluntary exchanges -- or imposes contract terms that would not otherwise be part of these exchanges -- we cannot be certain that the exchanges yield as much mutual benefit as when these exchanges are voluntary. Government possesses the monopoly authority to initiate coercion. This is an awesome power that in a civil and free society should be used sparingly. It should not be used to prevent firms from engaging in peaceful and voluntary exchanges with adults. Don Boudreaux ******* -------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- the moderated mailing list of politics and technology To subscribe: send a message to majordomo(a)vorlon.mit.edu with this text: subscribe politech More information is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Reba Performs What If Tonight!
by Mail 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reba will perform "What If" tonight on the 25th American Music Awards! Reba is nominated for Favorite Female Country Artist! American Music Awards ABC -TV 8:00-11:00pm EST (Please check your local listings for times) RebaNews Copyright 1998 Starstruck Entertainment, All rights reserved.

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Re: Compaq / DEC buyout (fwd)
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:44 PM -0800 1/26/98, BMM wrote: >The "Screamer 533" is currently shipping with a 533MHz Alpha. It is >reviewed in this month's "Linux Journal". > > >On Mon, 26 Jan 1998, Jim Choate wrote: > >> Unless my info is seriously off DEC is already shipping 500MHz Alpha's and >> has 1GHz chips in test. DEC historicaly has been way ahead of Intel (say a This is simply untrue, that DEC historically has been way ahead of Intel. The Alpha is a different type of chip. Anyone who has analyzed the past few years, the past decade, and the past couple of decades would have a hard time making the case that DEC has been ahead of Intel in the overall combination of design and manufacturing. As you should know, Intel will be making the Alpha chip, as its manufacturing capabilities are _overall_ in advance of DEC's. (Beware of comparing R&D or prototype fab capabilities with high volume fab capabilities...Intel has its own R&D fabs, currently developing 0.13 micron capabilities...DEC will not be participating in this move to sub-0.20 micron areas.) Many things go into the "who's ahead" calculation, besides just clock speed. Had that been the only significant issue, some of the aerospace companies with their VHSIC chips in the early 80s would have won. Or the Silicon on Sapphire (SOS) and GaAs processor chips...very fast, but very low-yielding. I've written a couple of long posts on this, and won't here. Of course, if I am wrong, and Intel is behind the other chip or computer companies in this overall ability, there are some mightly good investment opportunities, either in selling Intel short or in buying the stock of AMD, Compaq, Sun, etc. We can each put our money where our mouth is. So far, I've done awfully well holding the Intel stock I acquired in the 1970s. "The past is no guarantee of future behavior," as the disclaimor goes, but I have seen no reason to sell the bulk of my holdings. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Compaq / DEC buyout (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 14:51:45 -0800 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Compaq / DEC buyout (fwd) > This is simply untrue, that DEC historically has been way ahead of Intel. I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with Tim, since he obviously has some connection to Intel... > The Alpha is a different type of chip. Anyone who has analyzed the past few > years, the past decade, and the past couple of decades would have a hard > time making the case that DEC has been ahead of Intel in the overall > combination of design and manufacturing. The bottem line is they are both Von Neumann architectures and can be reduced to a single bit Turing machine. As a result they *most* certainly can be compaired. I have owned Intel and DEC machines since the late 70's. I started out on a DEC PDP 8e in 1976 a friend game me when I was in high school and bought a S-100 Intel 8080 machine about a year later. Since that time I have owned 80186, 80286, 80836, 80486, and Pentium machines as well as PDP 11/03, PDP 11/23, PDP 11/34, & MicroVax II. Given a comparison by date the DEC machines have had a higher clock frequency and generaly been a generation or so ahead of Intel in the capabilities of the hardware. Further, the operating system architectures available on the hardware, until the last 6-8 years anyway, also went to DEC when it came to scalability and usability. The fact that NT was available on both the Intel and Alpha architectures pretty much at the same time makes any further comparison moot except for market share (which I alluded to the main forces in an earlier post). Unix was available on the DEC architectures LONG (what, 20 years?) before it every even thought about being put on a Intel cpu. > As you should know, Intel will be making the Alpha chip, as its > manufacturing capabilities are _overall_ in advance of DEC's. (Beware of Then why isn't the Intel cranking at 500MHz now like the Alpha? Why is every market comparison for the chips shows the DEC staying ahead of the Intel in base clock frequency (I won't even get into architecture efficiencies) for the next 5-8 years? > capabilities...Intel has its own R&D fabs, currently developing 0.13 micron > capabilities...DEC will not be participating in this move to sub-0.20 > micron areas.) I bet now that Compaq has given them the sorts of resources they had to go head to head with IBM from the late 60's to the early 80's that could change pretty quickly, even considering the multi-billion dollar start-up costs of modern fabs. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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feedME account
by members＠feedme.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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"Privacy on the Line"
by Eric Blossom 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm about half way through Diffie and Landau's new book, Privacy on the Line: The Politics of Wiretapping and Encryption and have found it quite interesting and entertaining. Contents 1. Introduction 2. Cryptography 3. Cryptography and Public Policy 4. National Security 5. Law Enforcement 6. Privacy: Protections and Threats 7. Wiretapping 8. Communications: The Current Scene 9: Cryptography: The Current Scene 10: Conclusion It's 342 pages including a great section of notes. Computer Literacy has it for $22.50. ISBN 0-262-04167-7 mail order: 408-435-0744 ObWoMD: "8. (p. 82) Distinguishing nuclear explosions from other events, such as large lightning bolts or explosions of meteors in the atmosphere, is not easy. The satellite reacts less to the total energy of the blast than to the form of the flash. Nuclear explosions have a characteristic two-humped flash caused by gamma ray induced formation of nitrogen pentoxide (N2O5). The time between humps is called the "bhang metre" and is characteristic of the type of weapon." Eric

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Processor Architecture Analysis - Reference
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, If you're interested in the basic technology used in many of the current and proposed processor architectures I strongly recommend the following: Advanced Computer Architectures: A design space approach S. Sima, T. Fountain, P. Kacsuk ISBN 0-201-42291-3 ~$50.00 It was published in 1997 and covers various analysis of many of todays CPU's (unfortunately it doesn't do the Alpha) and discusses means to get realistic comparisons between them. It also covers some of the white paper architectures that have come out in the last 3-4 years on proposed architecture upgrades and alternatives. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Signing video...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I was exchangin idea with a couple of members off-list and an idea came to me about how to time stamp the frames. It would require a minor modification to the WWV transmission but it wouldn't be much. Have the WWV transmitters sign each 'tick' of the clock and have a WWV receiver in the vcr. This would allow time stamping the frame with a signed reference that could be checked. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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RE: Update on New Zealand crypto policy
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 1/26/98 3:30 PM, Ernest Hua (Hua(a)teralogic-inc.com) passed this wisdom: >Need help: Can anyone get to this URL? > >Ern > [snip] > > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/ > I got to it with no problems on first try from East Coast USA. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNM0glz7r4fUXwraZAQFRGQf9F4R1EhPLwsSP84l5QcKk6KMhU341ox36 PincU6VSpYR8bq7CMSMh7G5f/H+3MkXNpnStGGI2H/jr/ggj+VeFtAZE/8WG5Mvw RbzbHxXKxq5one7kNc8qWMtWyd5vh6T+WUcyotUdvVBM5LAwP6sgv60vRsslbAYq 8jx4CMcWi8AM49vZknWAVQ+0QKWXthD5ltMFyLK8racRmIccFCsn//hDY0m7P+4I fbA3uKY5ESnJA5dUMCdree9tqB55R8iW/BdSKodemiO56FdClVOBdynVBFrchmGr zauO82EwceXiG3m2R44Zd7XPp0OfupzkB5+qZgWTeUR87SCnlzvrhw== =eeTo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn." -- Alvin Toffler

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RE: Announcement: RPK InvisiMail released on 12 Jan, 1998
by Jack Oswald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill - The technology that we export as part of RPK InvisiMail, is world-class strong crypto. Key size options are 607 bits and 1279. The math behind the system is based on the same as that of D-H. There is no snake oil. There was no intentional or unintentional attempt to mislead any government authority. We also did not request an export license, because there is no need to do so in New Zealand as long as the export is by means of the Internet. Peter G. knows this as well. The story may be different for physical export on disk, disc or tape, although we cannot concur with Peter's personal experience. Our experience is that we get pretty good treatment from the NZ authorities. We also may use a different approach. I have often heard that you can often get a better response when using honey than vinegar. Therein may explain differences in our respective experiences. I have personally met with the Minister of Trade for New Zealand. His views and those of his staff seemed to be acceptable to us and have not imposed any undue restrictions of our business or our ability to operate. Jack Oswald President and CEO RPK Fast Public Key Encryption RPK New Zealand Ltd. 4750 Capitola Road Capitola, CA 95010 joswald(a)rpkusa.com www.rpk.co.nz www.InvisiMail.com +1 408.479.7874 phone +1 408.479.1409 fax +1 800.475.4509 pager -----Original Message----- From: Bill Stewart [SMTP:bill.stewart@pobox.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 1998 5:44 PM To: RPK New Zealand Ltd; cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Cc: scataldi(a)earthlink.net Subject: Re: Announcement: RPK InvisiMail released on 12 Jan, 1998 I was amused to receive two mail messages back-to-back, one from Peter Gutmann talking about New Zealand having one of the strictest formal export controls in the world, and one from RPK New Zealand talking about how their encryption product is not export-controlled because it's from NZ, not the US, and how their RPK Fast Public Key Encryptonite(tm) Engine is the strongest crypto in the world. Either they haven't bothered asking for export permission, or they asked in such a way that the export bureaucrats didn't notice it was crypto and regulated by their crypto export preventers, or their crypto somehow falls through the cracks, e.g. by using an algorithm with public keys shorter than 512 bits (works for ECC, not RSA) and private keys shorter than 40 bits (or 41 on a good day), or perhaps passes the "snake oil test" for export permission. I suppose it's possible that the NZ Export Bureaucrats have lightened up since Peter's last dealings with them, but it's not likely. >--------------- The mail, referencing www.invisimail.com >RPK New Zealand Ltd. in a joint venture with Virtually Online Ltd. >has released RPK InvisiMail, a standards-based e-mail security >application for use with Internet mail software (SMTP/POP3). >The product offers the strongest encryption available anywhere in >the world. Since it was built outside the United States, >it is also available all over the world with strong encryption. >RPK InvisiMail is also the easiest product of its type >to setup and use which makes it quite unique. ========= From Peter Gutmann's web page This policy has resulted in New Zealand enjoying the dubious distinction of having the strictest export controls on earth, with everything ranging from crypto hardware down to software, library books, computer magazines, and journals being restricted from export. It's not even possible for a university to publish academic research without prior permission from a government agency, and the requirements for obtaining this permission are structured to ensure that they can never be fulfilled. You can find the information on: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/policy/ ============================== Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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RE: Announcement: RPK InvisiMail released on 12 Jan, 1998
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On "using honey not vinegar" rationale of RPK InvisiMail for obtaining crypto export licenses: Applied Cryptography, Bruce Schneier, 2nd Edition, pp. 215-16 Algorithms for Export Algorithms for export out of the United States must be approved by the U.S. government (actually, by the NSA--see Section 25.1) It is widely believed that these export-approved algorithms can be broken by the NSA. Although no one has admitted this on the record, these are some of the things the NSA is rumored to privately suggest to companies wishing to export their cryptographic products: - Leak a key bit once in a while, embedded in the ciphertext. - "Dumb down" the effective key to something in the 30-bit range. For example, while the algorithm might accept a 100-bit key, most of those keys might be equivalent. - Use a fixed IV, or encrypt a fixed header at the beginning of each encrypted message. This facilitates a known-plaintext attack. - Generate a few random bytes, encrypt them with the key, and then put both the plaintext and the ciphertext of those random bytes at the beginning of the encrypted message. This also facilitates a known-plaintext attack. NSA gets a copy of the source code, but the algorithm's details remain secret from everyone else. Certainly no one advertises any of these deliberate weaknesses, but beware if you buy a U.S. encryption product that has been approved for export. ----- Bruce added the last "beware" phrase to the 2nd edition.

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U.S. crypto czar's travel records revealed
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From EPIC newsletter ======================================================================= [3] EPIC Obtains U.S. Crypto Czar's Travel Records ======================================================================= Following a year-long legal battle, EPIC has obtained over 500 pages of materials from the U.S. State Department on the international travels of David Aaron, the former U.S. Envoy for Cryptography. Aaron also served as U.S. Ambassador to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development when the OECD was developing its encryption policy guidelines. The released documents show Ambassador Aaron made frequent trips around the world lobbying for international adoption of key escrow encryption. He visited Australia, Belgium (both the European Union & Belgian governments), Canada, France, Germany, Japan, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. The documents also indicate that he went to South Africa, and met with the counselor of the Latvian embassy in Paris and with Russian Finance Ministry officials. Even before Aaron was appointed as President Clinton's "Special Envoy for Cryptography," U.S. State Department messages indicate that the United States was making overtures to various countries via American embassies around the world. These include the diplomatic posts in Canberra, London, Tokyo, Ottawa, Tel Aviv, Paris, Bonn, The Hague and Moscow. One message to these foreign posts announced the revised U.S. cryptography export policy (the key recovery within two years or "no export" rule). The public announcement of that policy was made on October 1, 1996. Aaron apparently was not always greeted warmly in his travels. In Japan, the government requested that the meetings be kept secret and that the press not be informed. Even the U.S. Embassy in Japan was less than enthusiastic -- the embassy suggested that Aaron and his delegation could take the airport bus to their hotel rather than be picked up by an embassy driver.

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Former US spy ship now a tourist attraction
by William Knowles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TOKYO (Reuters) [1.26.98] North Korea has turned the Pueblo, a U.S. navy intelligence ship captured 30 years ago, into a tourist attraction to attract badly needed foreign exchange, a Japanese scholar said Monday. Shinobu Oe, professor emeritus of contemporary history at Ibaraki University, told Reuters he visited the North Korean port of Wonsan, where the vessel is docked, on October 29. "As far as I know the North Koreans have been showing the ship to Japanese tourists since August," Oe said. "They tell tourists it's the Pueblo." The capture of the Pueblo and its crew by North Korean patrol boats off Wonsan in January 1968 held the administration of then-U.S. President Lyndon Johnson at bay for months. Japan's Asahi newspaper Monday published a photograph Oe took of the ship, which showed it bristling with antennae and wires. The professor said he could only view the ship from the dock. "It sure looks like the Pueblo," said a U.S. embassy naval attache in Tokyo who saw the photograph. Oe said North Koreans at the port gave no information about the ship or how it had been used for the past 30 years. Attracting foreign currency has become increasingly important to North Korea after years of economic decline and failed harvests that have left the isolated Stalinist nation struggling to feed its people. The standoff prompted by Pyongyang's seizure of the Pueblo 30 years ago led to a U.S. state of naval alert rivalling the Cuban missile crisis in 1963. The crew was finally released in December 1968, but the ship stayed in North Korean hands. Pyongyang portrayed the incident as a huge blow to the prestige of the U.S. superpower, which was then in the throes of the controversial Vietnam War. == The information standard is more draconian than the gold standard, because the government has lost control of the marketplace. -- Walter Wriston == http://www.dis.org/erehwon/

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Re: Latest Clinton Dodge?
by Gary Harland 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Clinton said this morning: > >>>> >I want you to listen to me. I'm >going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that >woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time >-- never. These allegations are false. ><<<< > >The question then becomes, of course, what does "sexual relations" >mean? > >Is it oral sex? > >-Declan It seems to be some sort of 'southern thing'. Of course a good Catholic boy from Detroit would never swallow (opps!) a sleezy end-run around the moral goal-posts of life like that. I can think of no better authority to invoke than Kinky Friedman, the immortal bard of Kerrville, Texas and notorious ring-leader of the band known as "The Texas Jewboys" ( famous for such country & western hits as "They Don't Make Jews Like Jesus Anymore", "I'm Proud To Be An Asshole From El Paso", "The Ballad of Charles Whitman", and many others - all available on his recently released CD). Hit it Kinky!... Waitret, Please, Waitret (Kinky Friedman, Major Boles, Roscoe West) Well, I pulled into Dallat on a cold December day Bought coffee and a doughnut at the Greasy Spoon Cafe, Spied me a pretty young waitret standing by her tray, But she couldnt believe her sweet young ears when the waitret heard me say: Oh, waitret, please, waitret, come sit down on my fate, Eatin aint cheatin, Lord it aint no disgrace. Oh, bring me a Lone Star, make it, make it a case Waitret, please, waitret, come sit down on my fate. Well, I walked up to the jukebox feeling kind of mean, The waitret said, Hey, stupid, thats a, thats a cigarette machine! Well, look-a here, young waitret, would you care to make a bet, And if that there aint a jukebox, you can smoke my cigarette! Oh, waitret, please, waitret, come sit down on my fate, Eatin aint cheatin, Lord it aint no disgrace. Oh, bring me a Lone Star, make it, make it a case And waitret, please, waitret, come sit down on my fate. Youre the prettiest thing in Dallat, is Dallat your home ? No, I come all the way from Houton and I feel so all alone. I used to live in Autin then I moved up to big D In hopes to get my big break on national TV. Oh, waitret, please, waitret, come sit down on my fate, Eatin aint cheatin, Lord it aint no disgrace. Oh, bring me a Lone Star, make it, make it a case Waitret, waitret, waitret, waitret, sit down on my fate. It's even funnier with the music of course. Kinky Friedman (http://www.kinkyfriedman.com) was kind of a 70's cult figure. He now writes mystery novels. According to Willie Nelson, ...the best whodunit writer to come along since Dashiell What's-his-name." As for Clinton, what can I say? What a pathetic, third-rate dickhead. Somebody flush the White House. It's starting to stink. ----------------------------------------------------------------- foggy(a)netisle.net lat:47d36'32" long:122d20'12" "Rather perish than hate and fear, and twice rather perish than make oneself hated and feared." -F. Nietzche- -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Signing video...
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Hi, > >I was exchangin idea with a couple of members off-list and an idea came to >me about how to time stamp the frames. It would require a minor modification >to the WWV transmission but it wouldn't be much. Have the WWV transmitters >sign each 'tick' of the clock and have a WWV receiver in the vcr. This would >allow time stamping the frame with a signed reference that could be checked. Although this could reduce the cost and power consumption in the camera how does this guarantee that the signature information wasn't inserted later. With today's excellent digital postprocessing it could be very hard to detect. --Steve

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Re: Executing Kaczynski
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vladimir Ze Cornflake inquired of TCM: >> Recall that a leading Cypherpunk was suspected >>for a while as being the Unabomber. > >whoa, are you being facetious here or what? would you care to elaborate >on that little tidbit? ................................................. It was TCM himself. (myself, I speculated it was Detweiler.) .. Blanc

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Re: Signing video... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 19:43:17 -0800 > From: Steve Schear <schear(a)lvdi.net> > Subject: Re: Signing video... > >I was exchangin idea with a couple of members off-list and an idea came to > >me about how to time stamp the frames. It would require a minor modification > >to the WWV transmission but it wouldn't be much. Have the WWV transmitters > >sign each 'tick' of the clock and have a WWV receiver in the vcr. This would > >allow time stamping the frame with a signed reference that could be checked. > > Although this could reduce the cost and power consumption in the camera how > does this guarantee that the signature information wasn't inserted later. > With today's excellent digital postprocessing it could be very hard to > detect. The fact that it's hard is what makes it worth doing in some environments. The goal is to provide a reasonable doubt as to the validity of the picture on the tape. Don't know about cost and power consumption...but this is where I'm at on this issue now, by no means is it fully worked out: The actual signal on the tape can be mapped to a specific head mechanism using the same sorts of technology that is used to identify specific cell phones from the rf signature. So we can do an analysis of the signal and verify if a given camera striped the tape. Hysterisis, amplifier slew rates, power spectrum analysis, etc. The pattern of wow and flutter of any motor and drive mechanism is unique and can also be mapped to a specific mechanism. This wow and flutter creates regular and repeatable irregularities in the pattern on the tape. This allows us to match a drive mechanism to a specific program on a tape. Irregularities in the drive wheel will cause specific pattern in the way the stripes are laid down (ie wiggles in the same place each time that part of the wheel comes around). Irregularities in the syncronizing clocks in the tape mechanism can be traced to particular oscillators (usualy slew rate as a function of frequency stability). By signing the frames with a signed time reference we can verify which clock was used, though we can't verify that it wasn't recorded and played back at a later time. We can at least verify the tape wasn't stiped prior to the claimed time. For security applications this could be quite useful. So if we have a fully analog system there are several means to test the various parts of the systems to verify source veracity. We can also test the tape recording mechanism even on a digital or hybrid system. So let's look at hybrid systems where the video signal is source digital or is digitized in the camera (for special effects, etc.). If a frame isn't signed we don't trust it. So we have a camera with a ROM that has a signature. We could replace the code in the rom and keep the signature. If the owner doesn't replace the ROM prior to testing then we can easily verify the ROM and it's signature don't match. We don't even need the signature to do this, simple comparison between the rom that should be there versus the one that is present is enough. If they do replace the ROM then we have a frame that is signed but potentialy modified prior to the d/a conversion process. The question is can we in fact identify such non-linear editing? If the answer is no then there is a clear reason to suspect the validity of any video source that went through any sort of digital processing. I suspect the answer is no since this question is equivalent to signing a document that was modified prior to the signature being placed on it. The signature process only signs what was fed into the algorithm and can't detect changes to the document prior to the signing. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Organic Chemistry Lab Safety
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, The question was asked why mixing acids and bases are hazardous. Please note number 5 below. When an acid and base are mixed you get water and a salt. When water is added to acid (ie pouring a base into an acid) the heat of reaction can cause the water to get quite hot and cause the chemicals to splatter upon you. The idea is you want the acid to disolve in the water and not the other way around. Goggles, bibs, and all other reasonable safety precautions should always be used. Forwarded message: > X-within-URL: http://www.ems.uwplatt.edu/sci/chem/saf/safetyor.htm > ORGANIC CHEMISTRY LABORATORY SAFETY RULES > > * 1. Maintain a business-like attitude. Be prepared! Do not attempt > unauthorized experiments. > * 2. Wear safety goggles (eye protection) at all times when in the > laboratory. This is a departmental and state regulation. Do not > eat or drink in the lab or bring food or drink into the lab. > * 3. Know the location and use of the nearest fire extinguisher, > nearest First Aid kit, nearest eye wash station, nearest safety > shower, and nearest exit designated for evacuation. Know the > location of the Material Safety Data Sheets (MSDS) and know that > you have access to them. Know the NFPA (National Fire Protection > Association) Hazardous Material Classification Codes. > * 4. Report any accident, even minor injuries, to the instructor at > once. > * 5. When diluting acids, pour acid slowly and carefully into the > water with constant stirring. Use Pyrex and Kimax glassware and > NEVER add water to acid. Rinse acid or base Penny-Head stoppered > bottles under the faucet after each use. > * > 6. In the event that acid, base, or any corrosive liquid is spilled on > your person: > a) Flush immediately with running water at the sink. Call for > instructor. > b) Rinse area with 5% sodium bicarbonate solution. > c) Wash area with soap and water, blot dry with clean towel or > handkerchief. > d) Follow direction of lab supervisor. Check MSDS if you have > questions. > * 7. In case of an organic chemical spilled on your person, flush > with water, wash with soap, rinse with water, rinse with ethyl > alcohol, wash with soap, and rinse with water. Pat dry. Wash hands > before and after visiting toilet. Check MSDS if you have > questions. > * 8. Never taste chemicals or solutions. Minimize the inhalation of > organic vapors by using the smallest amounts of materials and > utilizing the hood as much as possible. Check MSDS if you have > questions. > * 9. Many organic compounds are either carcinogenic, mutagenic, > and/or teratogenic. Generally avoid aromatic amines and nitroso > compounds. Review the document on Chemical Exposure in Organic > Chemistry. Check the MSDS if you are not adequately aware of the > compound's properties. > * 10. In case of cuts or punctures, flush with running water, and > call for instructor or see stock room attendant on third floor for > First Aid. All punctures should be seen by the university nurse or > a physician! > * 11. Dispose of all wastes properly. Read labels on bottles! Keep > bench and floor clean. > * 12. Before leaving the laboratory, be sure that the water, steam, > heaters, and gas cocks are shut off. > > | Chemistry Home | UW-Madison Safety | sundin(a)uwplatt.edu | > > > Document Last Modified: August 26, 1997 > Copyright © 1998, University of Wisconsin - Platteville > ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Computer makers speed up Internet [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > COMPUTER, PHONE COMPANIES SEEK TO SPEED INTERNET > > graphic January 26, 1998 > Web posted at: 9:46 p.m. EST (0246 GMT) > > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Top computer firms Compaq, Intel and Microsoft > and leading telephone and networking companies Monday announced an > alliance to promote high-speed Internet links over ordinary phone > lines. > > Telephone companies banded together and sought support from the > high-tech giants to ward off a competing scheme for faster Internet > connections relying on cable television wires. > > The phone group said it will offer the International > Telecommunications Union, which sets industry standards, a uniform > method of connecting to the Internet using "asymmetric digital > subscriber line" technology, or ADSL. Equipment makers plan to offer > products based on the standard. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Intel drops prices [CNN]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Company cuts price tag of older models > by up to 51 percent > > January 26, 1998: 9:14 p.m. ET > > > Intel > More related sites... SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Semiconductor giant > Intel Corp. Monday unveiled its fastest version of the Pentium II > processor for desktop computers, servers and workstations and cut > prices on older chips by up to 51 percent. > [INLINE] Several major PC makers introduced new PCs, servers and > workstations around the new Pentium II chip, which runs at 333 > megahertz, and is priced at $721 each, in units of 1,000. > [INLINE] Hewlett-Packard Co., Packard Bell NEC Inc. and Gateway 2000 > Inc. unveiled new computers using the 333-megahertz processor on > Monday, some with prices starting at around $2,800. [text deleted] ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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RE: Announcement: RPK InvisiMail released on 12 Jan, 1998
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks for an interesting perspective on working with NZ's export bureaucrats. At 04:59 PM 1/26/98 -0800, Jack Oswald <joswald(a)rpkusa.com> wrote: >Bill - The technology that we export as part of RPK InvisiMail, is >world-class strong crypto. Key size options are 607 bits and 1279. The >math behind the system is based on the same as that of D-H. There is no >snake oil. There was no intentional or unintentional attempt to mislead >any government authority. We also did not request an export license, >because there is no need to do so in New Zealand as long as the export is >by means of the Internet. Peter G. knows this as well. The story may be >different for physical export on disk, disc or tape, although we cannot >concur with Peter's personal experience. Our experience is that we get >pretty good treatment from the NZ authorities. We also may use a different >approach. I have often heard that you can often get a better response when >using honey than vinegar. Therein may explain differences in our Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart(a)pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Response to ticket 012398-6918-403
by kozmo killah 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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ULotD? Cuban Tattoos.
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Physical Meet: Feb. 21 (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 27 Jan 1998 11:28:34 -0600 > From: "Troy A. Bollinger" <troy(a)austin.ibm.com> > Subject: Re: Physical Meet: Feb. 21 > Quoting Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) > > > > Ok, looks like the magic day is Saturday Feb. 21, 1998 from 6-7pm. > > > > So, now all we need is a place... > > > > Flipnotics worked last time. > > I'd like to suggest that everyone bring a printout of their PGP > fingerprint so we can sign each other's keys. I think I can make this one. I don't have any interest in signing or being signed however, thanks for the offer. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The most powerful passion in life is not love or hate, | | but the desire to edit somebody elses words. | | | | Sign in Ed Barsis' office | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Video & cryptography...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Remember what your target is here. (Focus, Pinky!) The ultimate goal is that you're trying to convict a suspect of some wrongdoing in a courtroom, and you would like to use as evidence a piece of video footage. But now, in addition to the old standard of "chain of possession" whereby a police officer logs when s/he receives the evidence, who has accessed it in the lab, storage, etc., you may now be required to establish the "truth" of the video -- was it forged, staged, or altered? Can the defense convince a jury that a video is not what it appears to be? Look at the O.J. case where they convinced people that a piece of DNA might not have been his. What a load of malarkey they heaped upon those people, and shame on the prosecution for not going back and matching up another 50 markers, dropping the chances of an error from 1 in 3*10^12 to 1 in 3*10^60. (Ultimately, it wouldn't have mattered of course because they pointed out other "flaws" in the chain of possession, specifically the FBI crime lab. Why they might have had a *different* case with O.J.'s blood is beyond me... They could have retested the DNA from every cell in evidence on that trial, found only Nicole's, Goldman's and Simpson's DNA, and STILL they would have gotten it thrown out, because jurors are incapable of understanding math.) What this means to us is that, in a courtroom, a signed piece of digital tape will probably be accepted the same as an unsigned piece of analog tape. The courts have already established precedent that says that the scientific method has less value than an overpriced lawyer. Think about it: what we strive for as a cryptographic proof means less than the unsworn audio tape from a 21 year old intern. If some lawyer wants to challenge a piece of video, and can throw enough money at it, s/he's going to win. You're better off spending money training the persons operating the VCR, because that's the defense's next point of attack. The idea behind the digitally signed video frames is that the video "consumer" (the persons who shot and recorded the video) probably didn't edit the video to falsify some evidence, and that the person who built the camera is willing to go to court to testify that their video is not tampered with. As a video "consumer", you're willing to pay for a witness from the video equipment supplier to come testify that you didn't edit their video. It theoretically (in a certain, very limited subset of theory) eliminates the "Rising Sun" plotline where someone edited the digital video. Now, we all know that since you can falsify the video by all kinds of other means, the only thing it really accomplishes is it adds a float to the parade going past the jury. And whoever has the prettiest parade wins "justice", right? At 05:02 PM 1/26/98 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: >Jim Choate wrote: >| > From: Adam Shostack <adam(a)homeport.org> >| > Subject: Re: Video & cryptography... >| > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 1998 13:56:57 -0500 (EST) >| >| > Schneier, Wagner and Kelsey have done some work on an authenticating >| > camera. > >Dave points out that this was Schneier, Hall and Kelsey. > >| > One issue to be concerned with is that what the camera sees is not >| > always the truth. Putting a film set together to film bigfoot is >| > easy. The fact that the film is authenticated as having come from the >| > camera doesn't mean a whole lot in some cases. >| >| Doesn't this same sort of issue arise from any other digital signature >| process then? There should be nothing fundamentaly different between the >| characteristics of a video camera signing a frame than a person signing >| email. > > It arises in a different context; with a signature on paper, >you're generally indicating that you've read and consented to whats on >the paper, not that you created it. The meaning of a camera signing a >video still is not obvious to me. Is it intended to be 'this is what >we saw through the lens?' or 'this is what really happened?' > >Adam

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