December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Left Brain / Right Brain QUESTIONAIRE
by stargazer＠force2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Freeh letter to NYT
by Roger Schlafly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[From www.nytimes.com, Oct. 16, 1997] To the Editor: "An Attack on Privacy Rights" (editorial, Oct. 3) argues that the approach to encryption that the law enforcement community is advocating has somehow "put the need to eavesdrop on criminals above the privacy rights of ordinary Americans." Nothing could be further from the truth. You fail to mention that the same court-ordered, judicially approved procedures that now apply to wiretaps and electronic data searches would also apply to our ability to obtain decryption keys or information. In fact, what we proposed requires two orders from a judge before we proceed, not just one as now required. There is another issue that, if unaddressed, will have public safety ramifications. Encryption that cannot be deciphered regardless of the number of court orders or new technologies obtained by the police will devastate our ability to fight crime and prevent terrorism. It will nullify the ability to carry out court-authorized searches and seizures of criminal communication and electronic evidence. Policy decisions about encryption should not be left solely to market forces. Congress, the computer industry and law enforcement can work together to craft legislation that balances the public safety with the commercial and private needs of law-abiding Americans. We are not wedded to any particular solution, but feel that some workable solution can be found to insure that law enforcement can gain immediate access to the plaintext of encrypted criminal communication or electronic data that we have lawfully seized. LOUIS J. FREEH Dir., Federal Bureau of Investigation Washington, Oct. 10, 1997 ---------------------------------------------------------------- How can he say this with a straight face? >In fact, what we proposed requires two orders from a judge >before we proceed, not just one as now required. The DOJ proposal, sect 302, says: (A) A Key Recovery Agent, whether or not registered by the Secretary under this Act, shall disclose recovery information stored by a person: (1) ...; or (2) to a law enforcement or national security government agency upon receipt of written authorization in a form to be specified by the Attorney General. It also contradicts his final sentence: >... some workable solution can be found to insure that law enforcement can >gain immediate access to the plaintext of encrypted criminal communication >or electronic data that we have lawfully seized. The term "immediate access" means without having to goto a judge. Roger

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what is purpose of CMR?
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a question which I am unclear on about PGP Inc's design goals in using the CMR method. Is the CMR field to allow the company to recover from the user forgetting his password? (recover his mail folder full of encrypted email). or Is the CMR field to allow the company to read the email in transit This seems like a fairly important distinction. Adam

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SSZ Down hard today... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Fri Oct 17 20:10:35 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199710180110.UAA00156(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: SSZ Down hard today... To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:10:34 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1389 Hi Folks, Not shure exactly why, doesn't seem to be related to the OS or hardware, but you obviously are aware that SSZ had some serious problems this afternoon. I suspect (wild guess at best) that it was power related in some way. Anyway, I'll be watching it all weekend. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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17 Dec '03

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MonkeyWrenching Monitoring
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I share and/or swap my email accounts with others on a regular basis, particularly at times when I can verify I was somewhere other than where the account was logged onto. I do the same with non-essential crypto keys, etc. This sharing, in many legal jurisdictions, turns your accounts into a 'public street', so to speak, meaning that any 'tracks' left behind don't necessarily lead to your own doorstep in a legalistic sense. A word of caution: If you don't have access to *good* legal services, the above methods may work against you, if push comes to shove. MonkeyMonger

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CMR Monkeywrenching Itself
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

a0a1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9 b0b1b2b3b4b5b6b7b8b9 ... z0z1z2z3z4z5z6z7z8z9 If you send the above message repeatedly, changing a single character at a time, in increments (X0a1a2.../aXa1a2...) some interesting things happen to messages encrypted to two keys, especially if they share a one-time pad. These 'interesting things' are wonderful tools for prying open the secrets of a foreign key, using what you already know about the key you are in possession of. If you happen to be working with an encryption program that unwitting allows you to access the one-time pad it is using (or to *supply* the one-time pad it uses), then you can crack secret keys during your lunch breaks and still have time to complete a level of Doom before it is time to get back to work.

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17 Dec '03

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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Tech banner IBM Reinventing Education rule GOVERNORS WARN COLLECTING INTERNET TAXES WOULDN'T BE EASY Internet taxes October 17, 1997 Web posted at: 11:12 p.m. EDT (0312 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's governors and local officials, already having difficulty collecting taxes on catalog sales, said Friday a bill aimed at restricting new taxes on the Internet would worsen their problems. "It's very similar," Republican Gov. George V. Voinovich of Ohio said at a press briefing. "We've had an ongoing problem in terms of how to handle that. We've been continuing to try and work that out with those businesses in the states that have the large mail-order catalogs." The National Governors' Association estimates states lose $4 billion in sales taxes annually from catalog sales. That's because states, cities and counties generally lack the authority to capture sales taxes on such sales if the catalog business is headquartered out of state. That problem could only intensify based on the projected growth of electronic commerce. Voinovich cited one estimate of $1.5 trillion in sales on the Internet by 2002. "I don't think this is the time for the federal Congress to rush into something that will have such a huge impact on state and local government," he said. Joining Voinovich to oppose the Internet tax bill were leaders from the National Association of Counties, National League of Cities and U.S. Conference of Mayors. Rep. Chris Cox, a Republican from California, and Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, have sponsored similar bills that would bar any new taxes on computer transactions -- such as taxes on Internet access or online services -- for an unspecified time while Congress studies the whole issue. The bill would make an exception to the moratorium for income earned through an Internet service; local business license taxes, if the Internet provider is located within the appropriate jurisdiction; and sales or use taxes, so long as they are the same as charged for mail or telephone orders. "We would love to have the bill say what the sponsors say it says," said Brian J. O'Neill, a Philadelphia city councilman, representing the National League of Cities. But O'Neill and others say the technical language of the bill contains a broad pre-emption of state and local taxes. Wyden spokesman David Seldin strongly disagrees. "We have bent over backwards to clarify language of the bill so there can be no questions" that local governments retain authority to levy the same taxes on the Internet that are assessed on catalog sales, Seldin said. The bill seeks to halt new local taxes aimed specifically at Internet businesses. One National Governors' Association official said the bill's wording would worsen the states' problem of collecting sales taxes on catalog sales. "We know that we have to sit down with the industry and make the sales tax work on Main Street, on catalogs and on Internet, in some simplified, clear and technologically neutral way," said Tim Masanz of the association's economic development group. "If Congress goes on record and says that Internet sales are the equivalent of catalog mail-order sales, those talks are doomed," he added. "I can understand their desire to fight that battle but it would certainly not do much good to create a situation where you are favoring one at-home purchase over another," said Seldin. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related story: * House panels back Internet taxation bill - October 9, 1997 Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * THOMAS - Legislative Information on the Internet + HR 1054 - Internet Tax Freedom Act * U.S. House of Representatives + Commerce Committee + Judiciary Committee * National Governors' Association * National League of Cities External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Watch these shows on CNN for more sci-tech stories: CNN Computer Connection | Future Watch | Science & Technology Week rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] IBM Reinventing Education rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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A quote...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The politics of those whose goal is beyond time are always pacific; it is the idolaters of past and future, of reactionary memory and utopian dream, who do the persecuting and make the wars. Perennial Philosophy Aldous Huxley ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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LJFLJF
by Six 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lying Nazi Fuck Freeh wrote: > Subject: Freeh letter to NYT > [From www.nytimes.com, Oct. 16, 1997] > > To the Editor: > > "An Attack on Privacy Rights" > (editorial, Oct. 3) > argues that the approach to encryption that the law enforcement > community is advocating has somehow "put the need to eavesdrop > on criminals above the privacy rights of ordinary Americans." > Nothing could be further from the truth. How about the fact that you are the director of an organization that actively sought to sabatoge the civil rights movement by, among other things, encouraging Martin Luther King to commit suicide? Is that close enough to the truth for you? > You fail to mention that the same court-ordered, judicially > approved procedures that now apply to wiretaps and electronic > data searches would also apply to our ability to obtain > decryption keys or information. No they wouldn't you lying, scumbag, Nazi piece of shit. You are *already* doing these things without *any* type of legal authority to justify your criminal actions, and will continue to do so? > Encryption that cannot be deciphered > regardless of the number of court orders or new technologies > obtained by the police will devastate our ability to fight crime > and prevent terrorism. Right. You can't find airplanes containing tons of drugs, you can't keep drugs from being sold on the streets and in schoolyards, you claim to have a list of all of these *known* pedophiles, but yet they are all running free, even though you know about them. This, despite all of the fascist, unconstitutional powers you have stolen from the citizen's right to freedom and privacy. Yet you have the fucking nerve to suggest that giving LEA's the ability to monitor all of our private communications, at will, is going to stop crime. Buy a fucking clue, shit for brains. All of the parts of the Constituion you have trampled underfoot, claiming you needed this to fight drug dealers, has resulted in the lowest street prices for heroin in decades. I'll make you a deal. If you can get the street price of a gram of cocaine up to $300.00 a gram, using your current fascist, unconstitutional powers, I'll support you getting the rest of the citizens' rights under your jackboots. > It will nullify the ability to carry out > court-authorized searches and seizures of criminal communication > and electronic evidence. No. It will nullify the ability to carry out UN-authorized searches and seizures of non-criminal communications. > We are not wedded to any particular > solution, but feel that some workable solution can be found to > insure that law enforcement can gain immediate access to the > plaintext of encrypted criminal communication or electronic data > that we have lawfully seized. Are the keys to the privacy of every living being on earth going to be kept on the FBI computer system that was hacked, the CIA computer system that was hacked, the DOJ computer system that was hacked...? So that corporations know whether to support your plans for Government Access to Korporate bungholes, would you please publicize a list of *which* corporations you have defrauded and brought to financial ruin by accessing and manipulating their financial data and assets because you disagree with their actions? How about a list of the corporations that you plan to do this to in the future? Oh...never mind. I forgot that today's allies are tomorrow's enemies, and vice-versa, so I guess that *any* corporation could be a future target of government attack. How do you brazen, Nazi cocksuckers find the audacity to announce to God and everybody that you are fucking over people and nations around the world by inserting bad mechanical parts into the supply system, trashing the finances of individuals and companies around the world that you have a hard-on for (today), that Swinestein has put the vote on encryption issues that the citizens gave her, into *your* hands, and then tell the citizens they can expect to be more 'secure' if they give you dictatorial powers over all of their communications and data? Who will be in control of access to the whole world's communications and data? Will it be the FBI guy who just went to jail for destroying evidence and perverting justice? Will it be the DOJ people who ruined the INSLAW corporation in order to STEAL their software? Or the DOJ people who subverted justice by defying our elected leaders in Congress during their investigation? Tell us, Lying Jackoff Fuck Louis J. Freeh... *Which* of the LEA officials who commit criminal acts and subvert justice in the US will be in charge of access to the citizen's right to privacy and freedom from fascist search and seizure. Bonus Question: "How many bodies does it take to spell, 'I *TOLD* you I was crazy!" Bonus Prize: 1 Freeh Bullet 6ualdv8 ~~~~~~~ > LOUIS J. FREEH > Dir., Federal Bureau of Investigation > Washington, Oct. 10, 1997 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > How can he say this with a straight face? > > >In fact, what we proposed requires two orders from a judge > >before we proceed, not just one as now required. > > The DOJ proposal, sect 302, says: > > (A) A Key Recovery Agent, whether or not registered by the Secretary > under this Act, shall disclose recovery information stored by a person: > (1) ...; or > (2) to a law enforcement or national security government agency > upon receipt of written authorization in a form to be specified by > the Attorney General. > > It also contradicts his final sentence: > > >... some workable solution can be found to insure that law enforcement can > >gain immediate access to the plaintext of encrypted criminal communication > >or electronic data that we have lawfully seized. > > The term "immediate access" means without having to goto a judge. > > Roger

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Been tried before?
by Andrew Wiggin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I had an idea for a key system using graphics files. Has that been tried before? The basic idea was to use a graphics file with a color depth of 24-bit or higher. Then, using the rgb values of, say, every prime pixel (i.e. the first pixel, then the second....then the seventh, then the eleventh) or something like that to create a stream of numbers the feed into the cipher which would be highly erratic. A similar looking picture would not work, as the rgb values would be (I assume) hard to guess, and even if you came close, you would have to get the right order. If you used a graphics file format similar to PNG, for instance, you could even include alpha channels. Am I just shooting my mouth off, or does this sound like something that would work? I'm wondering if this has been tried before and if it would be worth programming out. --Drew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: Security flaws introduced by "other readers" in CMR
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back writes: >You have a dual concern: you are trying to protect against big brother >and against little brother. At the technical level, is there a meaningful difference between the brothers? Aren't we really talking about third-party access to communications, and second-party access to stored data ... with the "brother" distinction being one made at a social/political level, as a judgement about the legitimacy of the access or the size of the actor, rather than the character of the access? -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | Export jobs, not crypto. http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | http://www.parrhesia.com

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: OUBAKAYAROU!! (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:25:39 -0700 > From: Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: OUBAKAYAROU!! > > Meanwhile, there is a cypherpunks-j(a)htp.org, in Japanese, > and there's probably still a cypherpunks-e(a)htp.org in English, > though the last time I checked it, it had been > mostly a mirror for the cypherpunks list with almost no independent content, > and its mail gateway broke badly and splattered all over its subscribers. What is your problem Bill regarding cypherpunks-e you've made accussatory comments regarding that list a couple of times now? It is simply another member of the CDR just like SSZ or algebra.com - is your claim that each of these has their own indipendant content? If so, catch a clue and realize they don't unless their broke somehow and quit forwarding. If somebody on cypherpunks-e submits something it gets gatewayed through SSZ (and hopefuly others by now) just like traffic from one of the other member remailers. I wanted to gateway cypherpunks-j as well but we decided folks might get confused if there were something other than english on here. And considering both the -e and -j are in Japan, new, and relatively unadvertised does it really suprise you that they don't have a lot of English based traffic from that end? You must be the one(s) who keeps subscribing and unsubscribing to the 3 US remailers from a variety of (forged?) aliases in the hopes of carrying on the 'moderation experiment' meme. Or perhaps your hope is to catch one of us down and claim we're filtering because the traffic didn't show up from three different sources. I can't speak for the other CDR operators but I can say that SSZ cache's all mail originating on this end and sends it out to the other remailer sites as soon as we come back online. So nothing gets missed from SSZ. My internet provider is supposed to be cache'ing incoming mail to SSZ if we go down and I hope the other remailers also cache their mail as well. If not, oh well, I 'm not going to miss any sleep over it. Just in case you missed it the other day, I believe Igor has started gatewaying a new remailer as well because I saw a 'Test' message from a cypherpunks mailing list I didn't recognize as one of the known remailer hosts. If so that means we're at 5 remailers in the network. One of them in Japan, which meets at least one of our goals to get a remailer node outside the US. This is a GOOD thing. My offer to gateway the CDR to any site that requests the subscription stands. So, if you are operating a remailer with only a single feed point and that point is not currently SSZ please send me email and I'll add your site to my re-send list. As to cypherpunks-e, one of the other CDR sites should consider adding them to their re-send/subscription list. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| ps Regarding SSZ's downtime yesterday, at this point don't have a clue why the system crashed without warning and then cored when it came back up. Once I got home and did a hard reboot it has worked without a glitch. Though we still have intermittent droppages of the ISDN link lasting 1-5 minutes. I have turned in another trouble call to SWBT in the hopes of them fixing it. That makes the 5th ISDN trouble ticket in 4 weeks. I think SWBT gets lonely if I don't call them at least once a week or else their field folks really have forgotten how to write...

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17 Dec '03

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ISDN status - Intermittent (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Sat Oct 18 09:57:09 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199710181457.JAA02252(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: ISDN status - Intermittent To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:57:08 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1548 Hi, Just talked to SWBT and they apparently show the ISDN line as disconnected. Upon further digging at my request they determined that indeed there had been some sort of cable throw yesterday. They issued me a trouble ticket number and will check the line. Considering the intermittent nature of the drop my suspicion is a bad punch-down. If this is so we should see the line stabalize sometime this afternoon. More as I learn it. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Very important ! global minutes?
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17 Dec '03

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Re: Is PGP still private?
by Kent Crispin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, Oct 18, 1997 at 08:48:56AM +0100, Adam Back wrote: > > Jon Callas <jon(a)pgp.com> writes: [...] > > My reasoning is this: as PGP Inc can not justify expense on such > developments, my CDR proposal would be much safer for them to > implement because it requires no steganography support, or other > privacy patches to provide protection against abuse of the software > for uses other than PGP Inc's designers intentions. You keep talking as if your CDR proposal is other than vaporware. So far as I have seen you don't have a proposal, you have a wish. [...] > > You are in error. The only time that you are forced to use CMR is when (1) > > you share the CMRK with the other party AND (2) the strict flag is set. In > > all other cases, you can opt-out, on a message-by-message basis. [...] > However I simply posit that if you live in a scenario where everyone > you would like to communicate is forced to operate under your > combination: for example the local laws state all businesses and ISPs > insisting that they use pgp5.5 policy enforcer and turn on strict > flag. > > This possibility seems to be being discounted as unrealistic, or at > least as being optional, because you can by pass it. It does seem rather unrealistic. It would essentially involve replacing the entire email infrastructure, at a significant cost, and a rather sweeping suite of further laws that restrict the use of encryption to only PGP, forbid me running sendmail on my linux box, etc, etc > I can not see that being able to by pass it helps you in my scenario > if a) you will be detected when you do bypass it because the law > enforcers will discover they can't recover plaintext; This implies a law against using any other form of crypto, period. If such a law is passable the exemption for PGP's protocol will really be immaterial. That is, Yes, under an extremely draconian regieme, extremely draconian things are possible. "Tinpotdictatorsville" is not a useful counterexample, because the TPD can mandate anything, including no use of crypto at all. > and b) you have > a "choice" of not being able to communicate with anyone, because in > practical terms you have a need to communicate. Implies that *all* other forms of communication have been outlawed. Completely unrealistic. Adam, it is a complete and utter waste of time to debate this. What would *not* be a waste of time would be more concrete proposals. Whether PGP implements something is a separate question -- I would like to get back to the question of designing a better email encryption system. Your reencryption scheme fails because of the management of the short term encryption keys, among other things. Here's another approach I will toss out, without thinking through: How about formalizing superencryption, or tunneling? That is, treat CMR traffic as a transport medium for messages that are themselves already encrypted. The "key" idea here is to allow layering of non CMR traffic over CMR traffic. All the code for both is obviously already in PGP, with a little glue and perhaps some minor protocol mods... -- Kent Crispin "No reason to get excited", kent(a)songbird.com the thief he kindly spoke... PGP fingerprint: B1 8B 72 ED 55 21 5E 44 61 F4 58 0F 72 10 65 55 http://songbird.com/kent/pgp_key.html

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Junger Motion and Brief
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Peter Junger et al we offer his latest Motion for Summary Judgment and Supporting Brief outlined in the Thursday press release: http://jya.com/pdj4.htm (88K)

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WebX?13@@.ee7b0a7
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[LINK] Navigation [LINK] Community News Chat Message Boards CNN Insider Consumer Food Health Parenting Software News Plus Plus Mail Week In Review Resources Media Search CNN In-Depth Newsmakers Video Almanac Web Kit Transcripts Games! Daily Crossword Head Games Get the Picture? Now Ear This! FEEDBACK HELP! Infoseek BigYellow [INLINE] [LINK] [INLINE] [LINK] Message Boards Home Sci-Tech Message Board Topic: Internet taxation The nation's governors and local officials, already having difficulty collecting taxes on catalog sales, said Friday, October 17, a bill aimed at restricting new taxes on the Internet would worsen their problems. Full Story Should states collect taxes on the net? _______________________________________________________________ Dan Grawe - 10:49am Oct 19, 1997 ET (#1 of 7) Nothing says "GREED" like a politician with too much idle time. When will there be an end to oppressive taxation. I'm not apposed to paying taxes, but good Lord, do they have to tax everything. I think we need to get the air conditioning taken out of the government buildings, so they don't sit around thinking up new and better ways to put the screws to the people who already pay their way. _________________________________________________________________ joseph herr - 01:15pm Oct 19, 1997 ET (#2 of 7) ...the internet is uniting the whole planet together in a smarter, more organic , more honest way, its improving everything and giving all of us easier, more logical alternative solutions in energy , education, food , work and communications ...how can politicians destroy something this good and free ? one way is with taxes....lets stand united against the politicians corrupt tricks to start manipulating this wonderful new tool for growth and democracy...lets leave taxes, obsolete religion manipulators, crime and absurd greedy politics out from this wonderful new peaceful way....global peace.... _________________________________________________________________ Matthew Snyders - 01:28pm Oct 19, 1997 ET (#3 of 7) I am not at all surprised that some brain-dead politicians who would sell their daughters into slavery for a little cold cash would attempt to tax the Internet. Joseph Herr: If we were to stand united against this, how could we? What would we do? _________________________________________________________________ Michael Mendenhall - 01:34pm Oct 19, 1997 ET (#4 of 7) No article I've yet to review has provided a coherent argument for the public-policy which would be satisfied by Internet taxation. Nothing concerns me more than politic automatons who cannot resist the urge of government interference in commerce for the sake of government control. Few realize that the technology industry of the past decade is primarily responsible for our comparative advantage over foreign markets. Taxing Internet activity will be the foothold which turns this tide. _________________________________________________________________ David Lefavour - 01:45pm Oct 19, 1997 ET (#5 of 7) The Internet is already taxed through the existing telephone tax collections. Special taxes for the Internet is simply another example of double taxation. Most of us are fully aware of the objectives behind such efforts and we have had it up to our noses with this nonsense. The time to put a halt to this is already past due. _________________________________________________________________ William V. Beshlian - 02:03pm Oct 19, 1997 ET (#6 of 7) Doesn't local government already collect taxes from our local phone and cable companies that most of us use to get to our Internet Service Providers? That being the case, we are already being taxed once. This appears to be an attempt at taxing us twice for the same service. Think about it...... _________________________________________________________________ Michael Benezra - 02:37pm Oct 19, 1997 ET (#7 of 7) Any government that would dare tax the Internet will find Internet businesses fleeing that country and operating from a different local. After all, on the Internet it does not matter where you are, but what you provide to your customers. 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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Main banner Barnes & Noble. Win a Trip! Click here to enter. rule FBI HIRES NUCLEAR PHYSICIST TO HEAD CRIME LAB FBI crime lab October 18, 1997 Web posted at: 2:27 p.m. EDT (1827 GMT) From Correspondent Terry Frieden WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The FBI hired the former head of a government nuclear weapons laboratory to direct its troubled crime lab, even though he has no background in forensic science. The FBI had promised to seek an experienced crime lab scientist from outside the government following a stinging Justice Department report on the lab last spring. But the man chosen for the post is Donald M. Kerr Jr., 58, a physicist-engineer who from 1979 to 1985 headed the government's Los Alamos National Laboratory, where nuclear weapons are designed. The FBI acknowledged that Kerr's selection after the National Whistleblowers Center disclosed his name at a news conference Friday. "It just seems dumbfounding and implausible that they would not hire a world-class forensic scientist to take over the crime lab," center Director Stephen Kohn said. The selection also was criticized by the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. "Once again, the FBI has dealt with Congress and the public with incredible arrogance," said the group's vice president, William Moffitt. Federal Bureau of Investigation officials defended the hiring of Kerr, saying he is the renowned scientist the agency was looking for to beef up its crime lab. "He has vast experience in managing large lab operations and a long track-record of successfully revitalizing labs," an FBI source told CNN. A formal announcement of Kerr's hiring is expected Tuesday. 'This is not somebody from the outside' FBI building Kris Kolesnik, senior counselor to Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, one of the harshest critics of the FBI, said Kerr's work at Los Alamos and more recently for a major defense contractor make him a "real government insider." "This is not somebody from the outside who's going to bring a fresh breath of air," Kolesnik said. Justice Department Inspector General Michael Bromwich blasted the world-renowned crime lab in April for flawed scientific work and inaccurate testimony in major cases, including the Oklahoma City bombing. Bromwich called for a new lab director with a scientific background "preferably in forensic science." Meanwhile, another flap over the crime lab erupted Friday when chief lab whistleblower Frederic Whitehurst said that in examining FBI lab reports recently released under the Freedom of Information Act, he found that five more FBI examiners had altered lab reports. "In the last week, I have found five more people that have been altering cases -- five more that the inspector general didn't find," Whitehurst said. rule Related stories: * Official: FBI lab criticism will prompt case challenges - April 16, 1997 * Judge may force agency to uncloak FBI lab report - March 7, 1997 * Top official admits 'serious' problems at FBI lab - January 30, 1997 Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * Federal Bureau of Investigation + FBI Lab * Los Alamos National Laboratory * US Dept. of Justice - Office of Inspector General Report on FBI Labs - April 1997 External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] Barnes & Noble. Win a Trip! Click here to enter. rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Tech banner IBM Active Channel for Microsoft Internet Explorer. Find out about your chance to win a computer click here for official rules and information. rule GOVERNORS WARN COLLECTING INTERNET TAXES WOULDN'T BE EASY Internet taxes October 17, 1997 Web posted at: 11:12 p.m. EDT (0312 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's governors and local officials, already having difficulty collecting taxes on catalog sales, said Friday a bill aimed at restricting new taxes on the Internet would worsen their problems. "It's very similar," Republican Gov. George V. Voinovich of Ohio said at a press briefing. "We've had an ongoing problem in terms of how to handle that. We've been continuing to try and work that out with those businesses in the states that have the large mail-order catalogs." The National Governors' Association estimates states lose $4 billion in sales taxes annually from catalog sales. That's because states, cities and counties generally lack the authority to capture sales taxes on such sales if the catalog business is headquartered out of state. That problem could only intensify based on the projected growth of electronic commerce. Voinovich cited one estimate of $1.5 trillion in sales on the Internet by 2002. "I don't think this is the time for the federal Congress to rush into something that will have such a huge impact on state and local government," he said. Joining Voinovich to oppose the Internet tax bill were leaders from the National Association of Counties, National League of Cities and U.S. Conference of Mayors. Rep. Chris Cox, a Republican from California, and Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, have sponsored similar bills that would bar any new taxes on computer transactions -- such as taxes on Internet access or online services -- for an unspecified time while Congress studies the whole issue. The bill would make an exception to the moratorium for income earned through an Internet service; local business license taxes, if the Internet provider is located within the appropriate jurisdiction; and sales or use taxes, so long as they are the same as charged for mail or telephone orders. "We would love to have the bill say what the sponsors say it says," said Brian J. O'Neill, a Philadelphia city councilman, representing the National League of Cities. But O'Neill and others say the technical language of the bill contains a broad pre-emption of state and local taxes. Wyden spokesman David Seldin strongly disagrees. "We have bent over backwards to clarify language of the bill so there can be no questions" that local governments retain authority to levy the same taxes on the Internet that are assessed on catalog sales, Seldin said. The bill seeks to halt new local taxes aimed specifically at Internet businesses. One National Governors' Association official said the bill's wording would worsen the states' problem of collecting sales taxes on catalog sales. "We know that we have to sit down with the industry and make the sales tax work on Main Street, on catalogs and on Internet, in some simplified, clear and technologically neutral way," said Tim Masanz of the association's economic development group. "If Congress goes on record and says that Internet sales are the equivalent of catalog mail-order sales, those talks are doomed," he added. "I can understand their desire to fight that battle but it would certainly not do much good to create a situation where you are favoring one at-home purchase over another," said Seldin. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related story: * House panels back Internet taxation bill - October 9, 1997 Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * THOMAS - Legislative Information on the Internet + HR 1054 - Internet Tax Freedom Act * U.S. House of Representatives + Commerce Committee + Judiciary Committee * National Governors' Association * National League of Cities External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Watch these shows on CNN for more sci-tech stories: CNN Computer Connection | Future Watch | Science & Technology Week rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] IBM Active Channel for Microsoft Internet Explorer. Find out about your chance to win a computer click here for official rules and information. rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Re: [LONG, off-topic]] Interactive Programming
by Brandon Crosby 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > LISP programmers are much more into writing programs which > > build and execute routines on the fly. > > As are some perl programmers. As both a perl programmer and a lisp > programer I have never had the need to use self modifing code. In fact I > would consider haveing to use s-m code as a sine that I have made a > mistate in my desinge. > PERL is a pretty high-level language... how do you add sub's after running the code? -Brandon Crosby

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Re: Is PGP still private?
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kent Crispin wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 1997 at 08:48:56AM +0100, Adam Back wrote: > > My reasoning is this: as PGP Inc can not justify expense on such > > developments, my CDR proposal would be much safer for them to > > implement because it requires no steganography support, or other > > privacy patches to provide protection against abuse of the software > > for uses other than PGP Inc's designers intentions. > You keep talking as if your CDR proposal is other than vaporware. So > far as I have seen you don't have a proposal, you have a wish. Given Adam's many accomplishments in the arena of CypherPunks issues, I find it hard to make a case for his discussion in this area to be mere mental masturbation. 'Democracy in America' is also vaporware--always has been, always will be--but I see no reason we should not go on discussing it and hoping that we will not having to keep pushing the release date of the finished product back, time and time again. > [...] > > > > You are in error. The only time that you are forced to use CMR is when (1) > > > you share the CMRK with the other party AND (2) the strict flag is set. In > > > all other cases, you can opt-out, on a message-by-message basis. > Adam, it is a complete and utter waste of time to debate this. I agree. I think that we should just wait until someone comes out with an actual product, and then castigate them for their ideas being "ill-thought out." > What would *not* be a waste of time would be more concrete proposals. > Whether PGP implements something is a separate question -- I would > like to get back to the question of designing a better email > encryption system. > > Your reencryption scheme fails because of the management of the short > term encryption keys, among other things. Here's another approach I > will toss out, without thinking through: > > How about formalizing superencryption, or tunneling? That is, treat > CMR traffic as a transport medium for messages that are themselves > already encrypted. The "key" idea here is to allow layering of non > CMR traffic over CMR traffic. All the code for both is obviously > already in PGP, with a little glue and perhaps some minor protocol > mods... In return for your positive suggestions, the CDR Board of Dirctors has voted to allow you two posts containg cheap shots at the list member of your choice, without including any points of redeeming, on-topic, list value. Toto ~~~~ "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld "InfoWar" http://bureau42.base.org/public/infowar3 "The Final Frontier" http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn

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[news] U.S. urged to do more to fight computer threats
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** U.S. urged to do more to fight computer threats A presidential panel is urging the government to increase its efforts to combat computer terrorism, including doubling current spending of $250 million by fiscal year 1999, the Washington Post said Tuesday. The panel said annual federal spending to prevent hackers from using computer networks to sabotage U.S. infrastructure and ensure computer safety should reach $1 billion by 2004. The President's Commission on Critical Infrastructure Protection, established a year ago after a Justice Department review of vulnerability to terrorism, delivered a classified 269-page report to the White House Monday, the Post said. For story http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=5535558-766 -- Powell lingered. "How's Earth?" It was a conventional enough question and Muller gave the conventional answer, "Still spinning." -- "Reason", Asimov. ================================================================== Vipul Ved Prakash | - Electronic Security & Crypto vipul(a)best.com | - Web Objects 91 11 2233328 | - PERL Development 198 Madhuban IP Extension | - Linux & Open Systems Delhi, INDIA 110 092 | - Networked Virtual Spaces

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Is PGP still private?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Your reencryption scheme fails because of the management of the short > term encryption keys, among other things. Wait a minute. Didn't Adam abandon the reencryption idea and switch to key escrow? Or did that one turn out to be a non-starter too?

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Underground Reptilian Nazis Infiltrate FBI
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > CNN logo > Pathfinder/Warner Bros > FBI HIRES NUCLEAR PHYSICIST TO HEAD CRIME LAB > Web posted at: 2:27 p.m. EDT (1827 GMT) > From Correspondent Terry Frieden > > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The FBI hired the former head of a government > nuclear weapons laboratory to direct its troubled crime lab, even > though he has no background in forensic science. ... > the man chosen for the post is Donald M. Kerr Jr., 58, a > physicist-engineer who from 1979 to 1985 headed the government's Los > Alamos National Laboratory, where nuclear weapons are designed. Of course, this comes as no surprise to those who follow the 'Chronicles of InfoWar,' since we have long been aware that the secret government long ago declared 'information' to be 'munitions.' How long until we hear the official announcement that *all* information will need to be 'registered,' in the interests of National Security, and to protect the citizens from the 2,000,000 Horses of the Apocalypse? (Including, no doubt, terroists with 'suitcases' full of 'information.') > "It just seems dumbfounding and implausible that they would not hire > a world-class forensic scientist to take over the crime lab," center > Director Stephen Kohn said. > > The selection also was criticized by the National Association of > Criminal Defense Lawyers. > > "Once again, the FBI has dealt with Congress and the public with > incredible arrogance," said the group's vice president, William > Moffitt. Is this supposed to come as a 'surprise'? > Kris Kolesnik, senior counselor to Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, > one of the harshest critics of the FBI, said Kerr's work at Los > Alamos and more recently for a major defense contractor make him a > "real government insider." His experience and track-record also make him a perfect choice for revitalizing the FBI's ability to cover up their mistakes, keeping their dirty little secrets out of the hands of the public. > Meanwhile, another flap over the crime lab erupted Friday when chief > lab whistleblower Frederic Whitehurst said that in examining FBI lab > reports recently released under the Freedom of Information Act, he > found that five more FBI examiners had altered lab reports. > > "In the last week, I have found five more people that have been > altering cases -- five more that the inspector general didn't find," > Whitehurst said. Whitehust, who will die in a tragic car-accident later this year, will soon be exposed as a drug-addicted, godless-commie pedophile. TruthMonger

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InfoWar Epilogue 4 (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet')
by Matthew Ghio 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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InfoWar Epilogue 4 / TEXT
by Matthew Ghio 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The True Story of the InterNet Part III InfoWar Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- InfoWar Table of Contents * Epilogue * gomez ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Epilogue ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Just say "No" to key recovery concerns...keep OpenPGP pure From: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> To: tcmay(a)got.net CC: shamrock(a)cypherpunks.to, cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net, eric(a)sac.net Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > I'll try a different way of making my points... > At 9:12 PM -0700 10/14/97, Lucky Green wrote: > >I can't help but see a difference between enforcing to encrypt to a > >default key and storing the user's key outright. IMHO, the former entails > >less potential for abuse. > > All other things being equal, maybe the former is slightly less intrusive > than the latter. But maybe not even this, as the two give the same results. > After all, what's the real difference between "all mail, incoming and > outgoing, must also be encrypted to a CMR key" and "you must deposit a copy > of your key with us"? CMR keys are the root of all evil in pgp5.5. Without them almost any permutation of recovery care to construct would be less useful to the GAK'ers, for all the organizational, and inconvenience reasons Tim describes. Governments have problems handling complexity. So make their job complex. If you were one of the people writing the IRS tax software back in the 60s, and you were in deep cover, a proto-cypherpunk, and were bright enough to see the future possibilities you would have done all you could to fuck up the IRS system. You would have obfuscated the code. You would have put logic bombs in it. You would have destroyed the source code surreptitiously. (Destroying source code has analogies to destroying keys at earliest opportunity, you are destroying something which your enemy needs). Any bets as to if any of this actually happened on purpose? I reckon so. So, do you all reckon we can make task of fielding GAK impossibly complex for such a big disorganized government? Adam -- Now officially an EAR violation... Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc` ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- gomez I used to be a bright-eyed young computer guerrilla myself, many years ago, but I guess I have grown a little less radical as I have matured, since it now bothers me when youngsters such as Adam Back attempt to encourage others to sabotage the code of decent, hard-working programmers. This matter is of particular concern to me, since Basis, Inc. initially built the Purchasing and Contracting application in the IRS National Office, to run under UNIX on Zilogs, with a preSQL Informix database. Thus Back's intimations of "deep cover proto-cypherpunks" sabotaging the IRS could quite possibly cause serious harm to my professional reputation, in light of the wild-eyed claims made about me in 'The True Story of the InterNet' manuscripts. I have grown quite tired of being the target of some half-baked, delusional psychopath who is making me a character in the bizarre prevarications which drool from his mind, onto the printed page. I made the mistake of taking pity on a poor fellow one night in a Berkeley bar, buying him a few drinks in return for the atrocious tunes he played on a cheap, pawn shop guitar, and soon found him showing up on my doorstep every time he hit town, looking for a handout. Later, I found out that he had forged a letter of recommendation in my name, in order to help himself get established in the computer industry. It was very disturbing to discover some of the atrocities he had done under cover of affiliation with myself and Basis, Inc., causing me a great amount of legal problems. Now, after believing that his obsessive-compulsive fixation on me (because of his affection for my Jack Russell Terriers) was a thing of the past, I find that he is now pushing some crazy theory in regard to the Y2K problem, which is really a fairly insignificant matter that he has blown all out of proportion, and that he has drawn Adam Back into his madness to one degree or another. Mr. Back seems, from what little I know of him, to be a fairly reasonable individual, but lately he has been sinking into the same type of illogical rants and conspiracy rhetoric that the imbecile who calls himself the Author is notorious for. And now Back is making veiled references to persons connected to 'The True Story of the InterNet' obfuscating the IRS software code and planting logic bombs in it. Of particular concern to me is the fact that I personally had a hand in a rather innocent affair that resulted in our company making some coding changes which could possibly be misconstrued to indicate that we were involved in some type of testing of a Year2000 bomb in the IRS software code. One of the requirements for the application we built for the IRS was that no PO (Purchase Order) could be issued without a signed Requisition being referenced. Also, no PO could reference a Requisition issued outside the current fiscal year. Thus, no PO could be written for a Requisition from the previous year. Butthe BIG Butthe IRS staff had long been doing thisviolating the strict letter of the IRS rules-especially around the beginning of a new fiscal year. Lacking a current fiscal year requisition, they referenced one dated the previous (just closed) fiscal year. Suddenly, however, our application stopped their usual practice dead in the water, once certain PO's could not be processed because we required reference to valid (current year) Requisitions. We later discovered that the staff had been "cheating" by defeating our system's logic, after we were called in to tighten up all the design's enforcement of logic. Next thing you know, we were asked to relax the logic. I would like to stress that it is a matter of record that the calendar year related problems were a result of the government specifications and requirements for the application, and not the result of some devious plot on the part of myself or Basis, Inc., to surreptitiously investigate the potential for designing code that would take advantage of the unique problems surrounding the advance from the 1999 calendar year to the year 2000 in order to bring the IRS system to its knees. Neither was the fact that the garnisheeing of my paycheck by the IRS stopped shortly after our work on the IRS system started in any way related to my work on their system. It was merely a coincidence of timing. Conspiracy theorists might also make much of the fact that several Basis applications programmers shortly thereafter took jobs with the IRS for half of their former pay, but this can be explained by their desire for the long-term security and benefits that come with working for the federal government. The fact that most of them left the IRS and returned to Basis shortly after completing a major reworking of the calendar year updating system which locked the IRS irrevocably into two digit year entries indicates nothing more than the fact that they preferred living on the Left Coast. People often offer raised eyebrows when discovering that I went from having my paycheck garnisheed to receiving a $150,000 tax refund on a $100,000 salary, each year, but this is because they fail to take into account the fact that my work as a Research Faculty member for the Center for Policy Alternatives at MIT involved an interdisciplinary research center with links to Sloan School, which gave me access to superior financial management advice. The Center's close relationship to MIT's engineering departments was in no way connected to any sort of covert government activity, nor to any secret work on the development of the forerunners of today's InterNet in a manner that would make it possible for powerful non-elected Committees and secret Commissions to take control of a large segment of government and society. The Center for Policy Alternatives ceased to exist years ago, and the rumors that the Center was merely moved underground to secretly work toward establishing organizations such as FEMA, and the like, are preposterous. I am really growing sick and tired of the lies and slander that surround myself and Basis, Inc., as a result of the jealousy of other major league computer companies over our success at the peak of the Open Systems computer consulting industry. The constant insinuations that we cannot be trusted with highly sensitive systems such as those at the IRS and PacBell, simply because of our early history as Deadheads, is an insult to our integrity. To suggest that Acidhead Grateful Dead fans all have radical political agendas is no more true than suggesting that all Malcolm X followers are black. Well, OK, maybe that's a bad example Regardless, I would like to put to rest, once and for all, the preposterous rumors that have been circulating which link myself and other top computer industry executives to some mythical secret organization whose aim is to subvert the legitimate machinations of authority and the established power structure. I totally deny any connection to 'The True Story of the InterNet' or to anyone involved in the writing and/or dissemination of the manuscripts, and I would advise others to do the same. Copyright TruthMonger <gomez(a)BASISINC.com> "Last one seen fixing it, gets the blame." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" "InfoWar (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet') Soviet Union Sickle of Eunuchs Secret WebSite ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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More Government Bullshit
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From News of the Weird: * In July, the Nova Scotia Gaming Control Commission formally banned the popular charity fundraiser, "cow-patty bingo," in which a promoter marks a field into squares, takes bets, and then releases a recently-fed cow to "select" a winning square. The Commission believed the game could be rigged by training a cow to use a particular spot in the field. The next day, incoming Nova Scotia Premier Russell MacLellan said the ban could be ignored. That same week, the district attorney's office in Santa Clara County announced that a similar fundraiser for the imminent Gilroy, Calif., garlic festival, based on the famous Clydesdale horses' two-mile march through town, could not be held because it violated the state gambling law.

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The reason terrorists carry fly-swatters
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From News of the Weird: * The San Jose Mercury News reported in March on some working models of the Defense Department's tiny flying machines ("micro air vehicles"), no larger than birds, including one helicopter that could fit inside a peanut shell, that are suited for tasks such as locating hostages in occupied buildings, sniffing out poisonous chemicals, and finding enemy snipers. Each micro air vehicle carries cameras, sensors, transmitters, and antennas.

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The reason terrorists carry fly-swatters (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 05:31:34 +0200 (MET DST) > Subject: The reason terrorists carry fly-swatters > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > * The San Jose Mercury News reported in March on some working > models of the Defense Department's tiny flying machines ("micro > air vehicles"), no larger than birds, including one helicopter that > could fit inside a peanut shell, that are suited for tasks such as > locating hostages in occupied buildings, sniffing out poisonous > chemicals, and finding enemy snipers. Each micro air vehicle > carries cameras, sensors, transmitters, and antennas. Actualy there was a show on The Discovery Channel last week that discussed these as well as many other robotics projects being pursued by various groups currently. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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about MISTY encryption algorithm
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

itsubishi Electric Corp. has developed new secret-key cryptosystem MISTY1 and MISTY2, which are ciphers with 128-bit key and 64-bit data block. They are provably secure against differential and linear cryptanalysis, and also fast on software implementations as well as on hardware platforms. Using ciphers on wide-area networks requires a method to maintain security as long as its encryption key (password commonly shared by a sender and a receiver) is kept secret, even if the mechanism of the encryption is made public. However, possibilities of unauthorized access will increase when the encryption mechanism is made public. In fact, several encryption algorithms, whose specifications were made public, have been compelled to make specification changes, and to sacrifice their encryption speed in return for an increased cipher strength to protect against recent decoding methods. This is why an encryption system whose security against these decoding method is strictly evaluated at the design stage has become necessary. Since announcing its linear cryptanalysis, Mitsubishi Electric has been making efforts to develop encryption technology backed by adequate security. In January 1994, Mitsubishi Electric performed the first successful experiment to decode the Data Encryption Standard (DES), an American standard commercial encryption system, to quantitatively evaluate its strength using this linear cryptanalysis. Using this evaluation technology, Mitsubishi Electric has developed an encryption algorithm that provides sufficient security and achieves high speed encryption. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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ATTENTION GOLFERS! PLAY GOLF AND GET PAID FOR IT!
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17 Dec '03

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about MISTY encryption algorithm
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mitsubishi Electric Corp. has developed new secret-key cryptosystem MISTY1 and MISTY2, which are ciphers with 128-bit key and 64-bit data block. They are provably secure against differential and linear cryptanalysis,and also fast on software implementations as well as on hardware platforms. Using ciphers on wide-area networks requires a method to maintain security as long as its encryption key (password commonly shared by a sender and a receiver) is kept secret, even if the mechanism of the encryption is made public. However,possibilities of unauthorized access will increase when the encryption mechanism is made public. In fact,several encryption algorithms, whose specifications were made public,have been compelled to make specification changes, and to sacrifice their encryption speed in return for an increased cipher strength to protect against recent decoding methods. This is why an encryption system whose security against these decoding method is strictly evaluated at the design stage has become necessary. Since announcing its linear cryptanalysis,Mitsubishi Electric has been making efforts to develop encryption technology backed by adequate security. In January 1994, Mitsubishi Electric performed the first successful experiment to decode the Data Encryption Standard (DES), an American standard commercial encryption system, to quantitatively evaluate its strength using this linear cryptanalysis. Using this evaluation technology, Mitsubishi Electric has developed an encryption algorithm that provides sufficient security and achieves high speed encryption. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: "First do no harm"
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:16 AM 10/20/97 -0500, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: > In the old days, you used to scramble through his mountain of > paper on his desk. In more recent days, you frantically > scanned his exemplary organized data structure and found > the documents. Today, the said data structure is still > exceptionally orderly, but only to reveal several very > describing filenames with a dot-asc or dot-pgp extension. > > Any comments? Sounds like a good argument for banning employees from purging their mail. :-) This employee regularly purged his mail, an operation far more effective than merely encrypting it. In well run companies, the boss does not wade through the employees trash. If I have email that I may need to refer to, I file it appropriately. PGP is not primarily designed for storage of sensitive data. Insert usual argument concerning encryption of transmissions versus encryption of storage. Your argument is an argument for corporate access to secure file systems, not corporate access to secure email. For some far from mysterious reason, those who provide secure file systems feel little need to provide a back door. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | We have the right to defend ourselves | http://www.jim.com/jamesd/ and our property, because of the kind | of animals that we are. True law | James A. Donald derives from this right, not from the | arbitrary power of the state. | jamesd(a)echeque.com

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Re: OUBAKAYAROU!! (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 23:02:36 -0700 > From: Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: OUBAKAYAROU!! (fwd) > At the time the list was created, and I subscribed to it, > the announcement indicated that cypherpunks-j and cypherpunks-e > were independent lists, rather than mirrors, No, Bill, the cypherpunks-e list was announced by me and it was announced as a *specific* member of the existing CDR started at my specific request. Only the cypherpunks-j was ever announced as the indipendant list, which I intended to change. I further sent out a note requesting feedback on non-English traffic and it's acceptance on the existing CDR. I received nothing but smart-ass replies so we decided not to gateway that traffic but leave the cypherpunks-j traffic fully indipendantly. That lack of responce is what motivated the cypherpunks-e list. It was nearly a week after the -j list that the -e came online because I had to work that weekend and the -j operator was going to Australia. > Well, for a while, -e was badly broken. However, if the purpose > of the list is to be yet another mirror, fine, getting list mirrors > working is a trickier job than getting an independent list up and working. It is still 'broken' in that the mailer software they use doesn't accept submissions with blank subject: lines. As a consequence I get several bounces a day, usualy from anonymous accounts, that I simply /dev/null. Whether this is a bug or a feature is up to your own interpretation. I am looking into putting something in place so that SSZ puts something like: Subject: [unknown subject] on the traffic that is subject: blank since the -j and -e remailer software can't have this behaviour turned off. > Yeah; you've been getting flaked a lot lately. I remember back > in the old days having to get New Jersey Bell to deal with > bad data quality on my home voice line About the only good thing I can say is that I got a $150 credit and the phone bill is $70/month for the 3 analog lines so I get to ride free dial-in's on SWBT's dollar for two months. The ISDN seems to be relatively stable since turning in the trouble call and doing the testing, which showed 100% reliability (right). ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Revealing individual messages.
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:34 PM 10/18/1997 +0100, Ian Miller wrote, to ietf-open-pgp(a)imc.org >One thing sadly lacking from all current PGP implementations is the ability >to reveal the contents of _some_ messages encrypted to you, without handing >over the secret key. This is most important as damage limitation when >ordered by a court of law to reveal certain messages. [The most >pathological case is where Mallory has generated those messages himself, >merely to persuade the courts to force you to hand over your privacy key.] The easy approach is to decrypt the message, but there's of course no way for the Court to validate that your decryption was correct. But if you want more than that, it's not hard to write, either by finding where in the 7000 pages of PGP source (:-) to add a few print statements, or by using the APIs when they come out. Perhaps it's even there today, by setting -debug=42 or whatever. The decryption needs to show 1) The public key that was used to encrypt the message 2) The PK-encrypted session key, including the random padding 3) The decryption of the PK-encrypted session key, including the random padding, (and including the algorithm indicator, if it's encrypted) 3.1) Indication of which bits are the session key itself, for the slow-witted 4) The decrypted compressed plaintext (optional) 5) The decrypted raw plaintext And it would be nice to have a tool that also provides a mechanism to encrypt a random-padded session key to a public key to verify the output. Perhaps Adam Back (et al.)'s 2-line perl code, with some pretty output formatting. > Accordingly for RSA encryption at least I propose a >modification to the DEK plaintext that contains the session key. Currently >this is largely random containing over a hundred bytes of nonce >(for a 1024bit-key). If part of this nonce was replaced by sender-Id, >timestamp and similar data, then Alice would at least learn who had sent >the message (Bob) and when. They might then have to opportunity to contact >the Bob to ask for retransmission and warn of the interception. No way. This is bad. You don't want traceability built into PGP. If the sender _wants_ to be traceable, he can sign the message. If the sender wants convenient but repudiable identification, he can put his name and any other information he wants in the plaintext. Besides, PGP doesn't know who the sender _is_ except by signature; you can set a default key if you like, but otherwise there's no way for PGP to decide whether to use the "Bob <marley(a)wailers.com>" key in Bob's secret key ring, or the "Louis Freeh <biglouie(a)fbi.com>" key, and for that matter PGP will work fine with no secret-key file at all. If you're concerned about Bad Cops planting forged messages on people, this won't help - it's easy for them to forge unsigned information also. After all, the PGP source code is open, so Bad Cops can add code to set the timestamp/sender/etc themselves. Or they can ignore code, and just set their system clock appropriately. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Interactive Programming - Self-modifying code
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Brandon Crosby <bcrosby(a)mncs.k12.mn.us> > Subject: Re: [LONG, off-topic]] Interactive Programming > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:22:23 -0500 (CDT) > > As are some perl programmers. As both a perl programmer and a lisp > > programer I have never had the need to use self modifing code. In fact I > > would consider haveing to use s-m code as a sine that I have made a > > mistate in my desinge. Come on, tell us how you really feel... What if your design specificaly includes self-modifying code for reasons of execution speed or some recursive efficiency? Glad to know I don't have to compete with you on those sorts of jobs...thanks. > PERL is a pretty high-level language... how do you add sub's after > running the code? Well I would include all the possible functions I would need and then keep some sort of array. Each branch point would depend upon the contents of that array. When the program starts it would use either some default configuration or perhaps the 'last-state' of the engine on the previous run. Then as the contents of the array changed the dynamic configuration of the sub-routines would change. Another good mechanism is to store addresses in immediate mode, which means the address is hard-coded. Then dynamicaly change the contents of the address of that address. I once wrote a machine code utility that cleared large blocks of RAM 256 byte pages at a time. Each time the code ran it would go through and incriment the address stored in that address a fixed amount, the page size, and then jumped back to the beginning of this single loop. Ran very quickly. I used it to clear video ram faster than the os functions could. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Contractual ownership of ideas and products
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 10:58:11 -0600 > From: TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> > Subject: GAT & GAB > Anyone notice the court ruling in regard to the company that sued > to retrieve information that was inside an employee's head, claiming > that his employment agreement made *all* of his ideas the property > of the company. > Anyone notice that the Thought Judge ruled that the Thought Laws > required the individual to divulge said ideas, or be imprisoned by > the Thought Police? IBM has such a non-disclosure agreement that apparently signs over to them any and all work I may do while employeed by them. Fortunately I had other pre-existing agreements and when I signed the paper as a function of employment I added a proviso that I had a consultancy as well as pre-existing non-disclosures that limited their rights to my work to only that performed while on-the-clock. Two years later they have never contacted me regarding this so I assume they accepted it. I know of another engineer here who said that such proviso's didn't apply to him because he was under pre-existing contracts with the government (in various ways) that prevented that sort of contract with him. They didn't refuse him employment either... Contracts are contracts, if you don't like a part of it then mark it out and put your own proviso's in their. If they accept it, by paying you wages for work, then you are pretty much done with such broad intellectual property issues. That's the nice thing about contracts, as a signatory you have a right to review and modify the contract. Use that right. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Numbers Stations
by Irdial-Discs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Numbers Stations: One Time Pad crypto in use over shortwave for at least 30 years. See: http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/conet.htm and http://www.ibmpcug.co.uk/~irdial/crackhome.htm All comments/feedback welcome; we also need some qualified judges for the second URL, so email us if you want to have some fun. thanks Akin Fernandez Irdial-Discs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNEpQ+4BwiB5FzDvpAQFdlQP/YsOVevse7fUUgSU+DKI5nWLQrirbNrsE SVjnZzJDKYxgmIcuov2bJ95vcamPrrJduiuJMlA3/YARb56NlroFhqgSaa9KQ+S3 EMXxYbrv9qaDcIou6CalFsgYL+4qWtPwwskCgGENWMtRw9+OpXVoIOG+fV0N40rW V2bA/jzLxz4= =S+4s -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Throw Misty From The Train

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Re: Revealing individual messages.
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart wrote: > If you're concerned about Bad Cops planting forged messages on people, > this won't help - it's easy for them to forge unsigned information also. > After all, the PGP source code is open, so Bad Cops can add code to > set the timestamp/sender/etc themselves. Or they can ignore code, > and just set their system clock appropriately. BC's can also plant secret keys on your machine, along with messages forged using those keys. It is a good idea to keep badly forged messages on your machine, as well as badly forged keys. There are many ways to manipulate files and emails so that discrepancies exist. e.g. - messages with a time-stamp later than the file date; replies with an earlier time-stamp than the original message; changing fingerprint on the same key.

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A Math problem related to cryptography
by Jeffery Walker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have been working on some math and C++ code to implement it. The problem relates to a possible new means of factoring. However, I have run into a problem which I cannot solve. Indeed it maybe impossible. The problem is this: Find and equation using only multiplication, division, GCD, LCM and powers (not addition or subtraction) in terms of a and b which is equal to a+b for all Integers. If so desired it can be assumed that a and b are relative primes with a>b. Note that equivalent problems include but aren't limited to finding a similar equation for a+1. If other functions such as logs are required they may be allowed but I would have to look into it. To encourage people to answer I am offering $20 for a solution and $10 for a proof that it is impossible. I will judge all answers as to the validity both in terms of actually being correct (or in the case of a proof a valid argument) and in that they do not use functions such as addition or subtraction which are not allowed. Thanks, Jeff P.S. I am very interested in joining the coderpunks list as I do program and am interested in cryptography as related to programming. If someone would be kind enough to recommend me I thank you. +____________________________+ | Jeffery Walker | | E-mail: jeff(a)beol.net | | http://web.beol.net/jeff | +____________________________+

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No Subject
by Mike Ronn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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encryption key expiry in pgp5.x
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What happens in this scenario with pgp5.0, or pgp5.5: - You have a signature key which you'll keep for say 2 years before creating a new one. - You have a policy of generating new encryption keys every 6 months. - Your email archives are stored as received still encrypted to your public encryption key (I think you have no choice but to do this with some of the pgp5.x plugins). - You expire the key, and securely wipe the private half of the key. (An advantage of rekeying in this way is to gain forward secrecy: messages gathered by an attacker can no longer be decrypted with information you have, but to get the forward secrecy you must literally securely wipe the private key). If you do this, you won't be able to read your old mail folder, because you no longer have the key it was encrypted to. Does this imply that you must keep the private key for perpetuity? (Or at least as long as you want to read old mail archives). One presumes the same problem applies to CMR recovery keys, they must also be kept as long as recovery is required, if the user forgets the password. Adam -- Now officially an EAR violation... Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Re: Security flaws introduced by "other readers" in CMR
by Jean-Francois Avon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Fabrice Planchon <fabrice(a)math.Princeton.EDU> To: Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> Cc: cypherpunks(a)cyberpass.net Subject: Re: Security flaws introduced by "other readers" in CMR >They do: the title is "Le programme PGP se range", which I unfortunatly > have know idea of how to translate. It can be translated by "PGP gets into the groove" it "behave itself". It finally obtemperate (wether prompted or not). It grow's up and become reasonable. "se ranger" is what you do with your car when a cop car pulls you on the side. it gets in line There is an ambiguity in this expression. "Se ranger" is usually used for a transition to an unusual or not approved behaviour to a accepted or acceptable behaviour. It entails a "higher" authority or standard. This is why I use a much more americanized language when I speak in french about civil liberties and related subjects. The french language almost equate government intentions with fatherly love... :-) Over the years, I found that most French peoples have a feodal attitude with a tendency to almost blind veneration of hierarchy. (flames to dev(a)nul.con) I suppose it comes from their History. In general, if a govt said it, it *has* to be good. It is as if they were trained since young age to surrender their capacity for independent judgment and reason. And quite distressingly, it happens even with extremely intelligent individuals. OTOH, the uncommon ones that do not exhibit such psycho-epistemological trait tend to be real hot shots, independent type. I am not French, but Canadian (french) and we often have scrapes with French on this topic. They tend to trust their govt, unless somethings warrant otherwise. Here in french Canada, we are much more American in that sense. Notwithstanding what trumped-up polls say, we have a much more american-styled opinion. Ciao JFA

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Re: Security flaws introduced by "other readers" in CMR
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jean-Francois Avon wrote: > From: Fabrice Planchon <fabrice(a)math.Princeton.EDU> > >They do: the title is "Le programme PGP se range", which I unfortunatly > > have know idea of how to translate. > > It can be translated by > "PGP gets into the groove" "falls in line" > it "behave itself". "obeys" > It finally obtemperate (wether prompted or not). "self-restrained" > It grow's up and become reasonable. "matures" and "conforms" > "se ranger" is what you do with your car when a cop car pulls > you on the side. it gets in line "Habeus Automobileus Recovery" > There is an ambiguity in this expression. "Se ranger" is > usually used for a transition to an unusual or not approved > behaviour to a accepted or acceptable behaviour. > It entails a "higher" authority or standard. Such as Hitler, or Freeh, or DeGaulle. There is a lot of truth to the "loose shoes, tight pussy, and a warm place to shit" school of dictatorship. As long as your butt is warm, do you really care whether 'they' are burning Jews or Jesuits to supply you with heat? Has PGP scored Joe 'White Shoes' Jackson as their SpokesPerson? VeriteMonger

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