December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

AT&T Paper on Digital PCS
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Bill Stewart we offer AT&T's white paper on digital PCS which describes the system in detail and its security features: http://jya.com/digipcs.htm (70K)

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USRobotics Palm Pilot and PGP
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi. Is there anybody that know if there is a PGP compiled for the Palm Pilot? I looked around but didn't find anything. As I am not, despite Tim's rants ;-) , subscribed to CP, would you please reply directly to me or to the espam(a)intertrader.com mailing list. Thanks jfa -- Jean-Francois Avon, Pierrefonds(Montreal) QC Canada DePompadour, Societe d'Importation Ltee Finest of Limoges porcelain and crystal JFA Technologies, R&D consultants physicists and engineers, LabView programing. PGP encryption keys at: http://w3.citenet.net/users/jf_avon http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html ID# C58ADD0D : 529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 ID# 5B51964D : 152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C

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Why?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jim Choate wrote: >> However, it appears that part of the problem with the remailers is >> that nobody uses them. We should be making a concerted effort to do >> so, and not just for cpunk traffic. We should use them for >> everything. It won't take that many people to reduce the message >> delays substantially. It will also advertise the remailer network to >> our friends who may not yet be cypherpunks. >> >> The tools exist to do this. > >Yes, but why would I? - From "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" by Milan Kundera Part 4, Section 2: It was a program about Czech emigration, a montage of private conversations recorded with the latest bugging devices by a Czech spy who had infiltrated the emigre community and then returned in great glory to Prague. It was insignificant prattle dotted with some harsh words about the occupation regime, but here and there one emigre would call another an imbecile or a fraud. These trivial remarks were the point of the broadcast. They were meant to prove not merely that emigres had bad things to say about the Soviet Union (which neither surprised nor upset anyone in the country), but that they call one another names and make free use of dirty words. People use filthy language all day long, but when they turn on the radio and hear a well-known personality, someone they respect, saying "fuck" in every sentence, they feel somehow let down. "It all started with Prochazka," said Tomas. Jan Prochazka, a forty-year-old Czech novelist with the strength and vitality of an ox, began criticizing public affairs vociferously even before 1968. He then became one of the best-loved figures of the Prague Spring, that dizzying liberalization of Communism which ended with the Russian invasion. Shortly after the invasion the press initiated a smear campaign against him, but the more they smeared, the more people liked him. Then (in 1970, to be exact) the Czech radio broadcast a series of private talks between Prochazka and a professor friend of his which had taken place two years before (that is, in the spring of 1968). For a long time, neither of them had any idea that the professor's flat was bugged and their every step dogged. Prochazka loved to regale his friends with hyperbole and excess. Now his excesses had become a weekly radio series. The secret police, who produced and directed the show, took pains to emphasize the sequences in which Prochazka made fun of his friends - Dubcek, for instance. People slander their friends at the drop of a hat, but they were more shocked by the much-loved Prochazka than by the much-hated secret police. Tomas turned off the radio and said, "Every country has its secret police. But a secret police that broadcasts its tapes over the radio - there's something that could happen only in Prague, something absolutely without precedent!" "I know a precedent," said Tereza. "When I was fourteen, I kept a secret diary. I was terrified that someone might read it, so I kept it hidden in the attic. Mother sniffed it out. One day at dinner, while we were all hunched over our soup, she took it out of her pocket and said, 'Listen carefully now, everybody!' And after every sentence, she burst out laughing. They all laughed so hard they couldn't eat." Part 4, Section 4: She came out into Old Town Square - the stern spires of Tyn Church, the irregular rectangle of Gothic and baroque houses. Old Town Hall, which dated from the fourteenth century and had once stretched over a whole side of the square, was in ruins and had been so for twenty-seven years. Warsaw, Dresden, Berlin, Cologne, Budapest - all were horribly scarred in the last war. But their inhabitants had built them up again and painstakingly restored the old historical sections. The people of Prague had an inferiority complex with respect to these other cities. Old Town Hall was the only monuyment of note destroyed in the war, and they decided to leave it in ruins so that no Pole or Germans could accuse them of having suffered less than their share. In front of the glorious ruins, a reminder for now and eternity of the evils perpetrated by war, stood a steel-bar reviewing stand for some demonstration or other that the Communist Party had herded the people of Prague to the day before or would be herding them to the day after. Gazing at the remains of Old Town Hall, Tereza was suddenly reminded of her mother: that perverse need one has to expose one's ruins, one's ugliness, to parade one's misery, to uncover the stump of one's amputated arm and force the whole world to look at it. Everything had begun reminding her of her mother lately. Her mother's world, which she had fled ten years before, seemed to be coming back to her, surrounding her on all sides. That was why she told Tomas that morning about how her mother had read her secret diary at the dinner table to an accompaniment of guffaws. When a private talk over a bottle of wine is broadcast on the radio, what can it mean but that the world is turning into a concentration camp? Almost from childhood, Tereza had used the term to express how she felt about life with her family. A concentration camp is a world in which people live crammed together constantly, night and day. Brutality and violence are merely secondary (and not in the least indispensable) characteristics. A concentration camp is the complete obliteration of privacy. Prochazka, who was not allowed to chat with a friend over a bottle of wine in the shelter of privacy, lived (unknown to him - a fatal error on his part!) in a concentration camp. Tereza lived in the concentration camp when she lived with her mother. Almost from childhood, she knew that a concentration camp was nothing exceptional or startling but something very basic, a given into which we are born and from which we can escape only with the greatest of efforts. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDGcUD7jyGKQlFZpAQGv1ggAg9Vmgpmai4eVBzeA0XwJSaKrnkvCJdKI KzqNNi/HUaxCMMReCR0xRLZlLz0IXfK71zCOEZib9UbuTWE84X2x2KlpcQgBRrex IoRXkT5mQ+4GSTvG6CX4ZvLYohiVO+sKXX7m8RQcOqfo1IPYwqikNMixc1Yw4U3l hO0AMxPz/gE/2beYXBNFuDRU7PIRINhHCmoOtX+xxbQDEK8d/BRUwTBhS0XnY6Ek 6e1yNsEOaGZxR9NLNo3sYaaTpAcOZCDF4WQkfywpFXcyVyHWd5HSi9Oo5r2opnvK evH9JaLE2OO7iaqEuVYay4Tv9OB6YegUNmBhp3sSmQgzrVdvtfFZiQ== =Fawj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Why? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:19:09 -0400 > From: Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> > Subject: Why? > Jim Choate wrote: > >> so, and not just for cpunk traffic. We should use them for > >> everything. It won't take that many people to reduce the message > >> > >> The tools exist to do this. > > > >Yes, but why would I? > - From "The Unbearable Lightness of Being" by Milan Kundera > Part 4, Section 2: > > It was a program about Czech emigration, a montage of private > conversations recorded with the latest bugging devices by a Czech spy > who had infiltrated the emigre community and then returned in great > glory to Prague. It was insignificant prattle dotted with some harsh And your premise is what? - Anonymous remailers would have resolved the Czech issue? - America is currently in the same sort of situation and the use of remailers would resolve it? - Anonymous remailers guarantee that such things won't happen in the future? - Santyana was right? Obviously the first two are gibberish. There is absolutely nothing to have prevented the Czech government (or any other) from setting up anonymous remailers acting in the role of man-in-the-middle attacks subverting any conspiracies. Now the 3rd is clearly unrealistic because the issue is the respect one human being gives another in regards to their beliefs and the expression thereof. The problem is a people problem, not technology. I personaly vote for the 4th option myself. I would like to believe that through the use of commercial anonymous remailers the concept of anonymity could become ingrained in a society. That is what would help resolve issues like the above, not the remailers themselves. My original question still stands, why would I or any other party choose to use an anonymous remailer for anything other than the original 3 items I mentioned previously. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Commercial remailer request...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Since we apparently now have at least one commercial anonymous remailer I would be interested in the gross cash flow. In short, I would like to know the general difference (plus/minus and by about how much) between the cost of the remailer operation versus the actual e-cash income in American dollars each month. It would also be nice to know the relative ratio between free and for-pay submissions. Is the remailer to be advertised, and if so where? Would it be possible to have such info say submitted to the list for the next few months? I want to put one up now that we are moving to a T1 within the next few weeks but I have to justify it financialy. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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standoff_1.html
by Lynx_User＠linux.nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reuters New Media [ Yahoo | Write Us | Search | Info ] [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] _________________________________________________________________ Previous Story: Gingrich Marks Contract With America Date Next Story: Gingrich Astonished at Gore on Campaign Reform _________________________________________________________________ Saturday September 27 11:37 PM EDT Illinois Police Standoff Enters Sixth Day CHICAGO (Reuter) - A standoff between Illinois state police and a 51-year-old widow in southern Illinois entered its sixth day Saturday with negotiations continuing but no progress seen, the police said. Sgt. Flynn Hanners of the Illinois State Police said negotiators have been contacting Shirley Ann Allen every 15 to 20 minutes to try to get her out of her house in Roby, about 15 miles east of the state capital Springfield. The standoff began Monday when Christian County sheriff's deputies and a family member attempted to serve court-ordered commitment papers for a psychological exam on Allen, he said. "Our whole design behind this is to get her out of the house and get her the medical attention she needs because she obviously has some mental illness that needs to be treated," Hanners said. He added that the police have been in constant contact with Allen's family and doctors and that a psychologist who works with the state police has been at the scene. Hanners said no activity has been seen since Friday morning when Allen fired a 12-gauge shotgun at officers and negotiators after the officers had fired six 12-gauge bean bag rounds at her, striking her three times. The officers fired after Allen left the house, faced the negotiators who were in plain view and raised the shotgun "as if to fire," he said. "Three of the six rounds struck her in the chest area, the midsection, but she was not stunned," he said. The bean bag shots are designed to knock someone to the ground, but Hanners said the shots had no effect on Allen, probably because of the number of layers of clothing she was wearing. Allen also fired at the police Tuesday when two officers has gotten close to the house "trying to get a look in," Hanners said. He added that power had been cut to the house temporarily Tuesday. _________________________________________________________________ ________________________ ___________ Help _________________________________________________________________ Previous Story: Gingrich Marks Contract With America Date Next Story: Gingrich Astonished at Gore on Campaign Reform _________________________________________________________________ [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] _________________________________________________________________ Reuters Limited Questions or Comments

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Re: Memo From Washington Gestapo Tyranny
by Igor Chudov ＠ home 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wow, Assassination politics (as Anonymous claims) made its way into the anti-terrorism manuals... igor In misc.survivalism, Anonymous wrote: > State of Washington > Washington State Patrol > General Administration Building > P.O. Box 42600 > Olympia, Washington 98504-2600 > (360) 753-6540 > >September 17, 1997 > >TO: Washington State Senators > Washington State Representatives > >FROM: Representative Karen Schmidt, Chairman [sic] > Organized Crime Advisory Board > >SUBJECT: Paper Terrorism > > >It has been brought to my attention that anti-government >organizations have been utilizing a tactic called "paper >terrorism" to effectively disable government. Commonly, public >officials are personally targeted. This widespread practice is >accomplished by overburdening our communications, business, or >judicial systems with frivolous or repetitive petitions, property >liens, and small claims court actions. > >Enclosed is a brief explanation of this process. If you feel you >are a victim of "paper terrorism," I encourage you to contact the >Washington State Patrol, Organized Crime Intelligence Unit, in >Olympia at (360) 753-3277, for assistance. > >KS:csp >Enclosure > > PAPER TERRORISM > >Introduction > >Since the early 1990's there has been a noticeable increase in >the number of people across the country who have joined and >continue to participate in the anti-government movement. These >individuals view themselves as victims of a government conspiracy >to take away their individual rights and liberties. They do not >recognize most forms of county, state, and federal government and >therefore create their own self-styled government. National >speakers in the anti-government extremists or "Patriot" movement >conduct recruitment and information seminars across Washington >State, as well as the entire country. These seminars and >recruitment meetings fuel bizarre conspiracy theories and >communicate new trends within the anti-government movement. >Paper terrorism has grown from a trend to a full scale tactic >used upon businesses, private individuals, government services >and elected officials. > > >Background > >Paper terrorism is designed to clog government services with >meaningless requests which consume time and disrupt schedules. >In the private sector paper terrorism is an attempt to extort >money, goods or services. Some examples of paper terrorism >activities: > >* Bogus liens placed upon personal property of government > officials and private individuals. > >* Frivolous lawsuits filed in state and federal courts against > businesses and government entices [sic]. > >* Drafting and passing counterfeit bank checks and other > fraudulent negotiable instruments aimed at defrauding the > financial community and businesses. > >* Common Law Courts that issue homemade subpoenas to citizens, > businesses and government officials. > >* Challenging judges in an effort to disqualify them on a > current case and to repeat their motions to disqualify these > judges from hearing future cases by referencing the prior > challenges. > >* Scheming to avoid paying state sales tax during a purchase > by declaring to be a non resident and then filing claims > with the state's risk management section if refused. > >* Disrupting the court system by persuading fellow jail > inmates to defend themselves as Patriots, thus tying up more > of the courts and prosecutors time. > >* Distributing the extremist Citizens Handbook to foster jury > nullification. > >* using the Internet to promote extremist ideas such as > "Assassination Politics" or predicting the date of death of > a law enforcement officer or government official to win a > cash price. > >* Filing bogus claims in small claims court. > >* Requesting information from courts, government agencies, > elected officials and businesses in the form of frivolous > questions in an effort to consume employee's time. > > >Tell-tale signs of Patriot extremists can often be found in their >conversation or written documents. Common indicators are >biblical passages, referring to the state as a "republic", >calling zip codes a "postal zone", refusing to acknowledge direct >questions, separating their middle and last names with a comma or >colon, placing a thumb print on a document, claiming the court >has no authority, or using the phrases: all rights reserved, >without prejudice, UCC 1-207, pro se, sui juris, united states, >Black's law. > > >Analysis and Trends > >These anti-government extremists and supporters are convinced >citizens are being systematically oppressed by an illegal, >totalitarian government. They believe the time for traditional >political reform has passed, that their freedom will only be >secured by resistance to the law and attacks against the >government in several forms. > >Members of these groups bond to one another and lose contact with >other people who hold different opinions. The isolation works to >reinforce their views, which in turn gives them new purpose. >This new purpose may take ordinary ideas to extremes, rationalize >their problems into blaming government, and cause members to >compete with each other to make stronger statements. > > >Trend and Incident Reporting > >If you become victimized by paper terrorism, contact the >Washington State Patrol Organized Crime Intelligence Unit at >(360) 753-3277, extension 121. All acts reaching a criminal >level should be referred to your local law enforcement agency or >prosecutor's office. > > >[end transcript] > --

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Secure HTTP servers.
by Jim 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, I just started working vfor a local ISP and they found out, i was on this list and knew a little about crypto. Anyway they seem to have the impression this would qualify me to know something. At any rate, on to the point of the mail. Could someone point me in the right direction for info on secure http servers ?? Also maybe info on which is better than the other ?? Jason

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DejaVu: Cypherpunks as Philosopher Kings
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ten months ago: on or about 961218:1123 "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> purported to expostulate: +_Direct action_ is what it's all about. Undermining the state through +the spread of espionage networks, through undermining faith in the tax +system, through even more direct applications of the right tools at the +right times. + +When Cypherpunks are called "terrorists," we will have done our jobs. [Tim] said this before Christmas last year as an erudite and lengthy addendum to my lengthy tome: "Cypherpunks as Philosophy Kings" that pretty well summed our generally mutually agreed "philosophy". both were and still are worth reading; anybody who does not have copies, ask. but cypherpunk terrorists are not violent; this is all about making information free and protecting privacy with technology. despite the fact the Commerce Committee effectively killed SAFE (or we think they did until Oxley tries to tack his amendment structure on an appropriations bill in a house-senate conference or "manager's mark" procedure (whatever that is)), we can not drop the due diligence, and the public must be aroused, called to battle. even if there is no action, prepare for the next fire drill. sow the seeds of dissension. seems to me we were sure the CDA was dead --except it slipped in with a manager's mark after the house voted almost unanimously the other way (402-12 or something like that). the capitol hill sleeze took a grand slam NO and reported an even worse yes, making it part of a major bill that absolutely was going to pass --and they have the gall to call that travesty democracy? Teddy Roosevelt: "It is difficult to make our material condition better by the best law, but it is easy enough to ruin it by bad laws." Tim's message for Christmas last was the prophetic call for direct action; legal action; empowerment action: Robert H. Jackson (1892-1954), U.S. Judge: "It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error." CYPHERPUNKS MUST BE THE JOHNNY APPLESEED OF THE INFORMATION AGE. the sleezeball, who intends to make J Edger look like a piker at surveillance, has the gleam of unabridged power in his eyes. Louis F[reeh,uck] is charming, even disarming, as he tells a Congressional committee: "We are potentially the most dangerous agency in the country if we are not scrutinized carefully." (Jun '97) meaning the FBI will be the most powerful [feared] federal agency? really? I thought it was already, although the DEA and BATF have worked hard for the title, too. Supreme Justice Louis O. Brandeis said: "The greatest danger to liberty lurks in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." and the [London] Electronic Telegraph, on Sunday's front page: Mr Freeh has won $370 million (ú230 million) of funding for 2,000 new posts, boosted the number of active agents to more than 11,000, and expanded open-ended "domestic security operations" from 100 in 1995 to more than 800. Twenty-three new FBI offices are opening abroad. and more: But none of this will contain the director's ambitions or his power. He is now believed to be eyeing two other "secret police" forces - the Drug Enforcement Agency and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms - with a long-term view to a takeover. F[reeh,uck] holds the key to the Clintons' ambitions; the Clintons cite the Roosevelts as their mentors; Hillary even communes with the long dead Eleanor. Bubba's stated goals included extending FDR's "chicken in every pot" --he's just appeasing the crowd now. Leopards do not change their spots, but Bubba has shifted to the right with public opinion; he is just like the leopard: playing with his food until sufficient presidential powers have been accumulated by the default of Congress and the people. But, the INFORMATION REVOLUTION now stands in way of the Clinton plans; the Internet can destroy the media control now exercised by the acquiescence of the five jewish media barons. In fact, it is destroying their monopoly. THE CONTROL OF INFORMATION IS THE CONTROL OF POWER. Why does F[reeh,uck] hold the key? Because his job is to sell the Congress on strangling the information revolution before it destroys truthless governments F[reeh,uck]'s masters understand and control. Franklin D. Roosevelt was inaugurated on 4 Mar 33 stating: "I am prepared under my constitutional duty to recommend the measures that a stricken nation in the midst of a stricken world may require. These measures, or such other measures as the Congress may build out of its experience and wisdom, I shall seek, within my constitutional authority, to bring to speedy adoption. But in the event that the Congress shall fall to take one of these two courses, and in the event that the national emergency is still critical, I shall not evade the clear course of duty that will then confront me. I shall ask the Congress for the one remaining instrument to meet the crisis broad Executive power to wage a war against the emergency, as great as the power that would be given to me if we were in fact invaded by a foreign foe." and, on 9 Mar 33, 5 days later, FDR extracted from an uniformed and essentially special session of Congress: "Be it enacted by the Senate and the House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the Congress hereby declares that a serious emergency exists and that it is imperatively necessary speedily to put into effect remedies of uniform national application." which was based on the War Powers Act (trading with the Enemy) of 1917 which was hastily revised to include US Citizens which had been exempted. Next, FDR "franchised" the banks, "licensed" agriculture and so on. But, to render the citizens powerless and to confiscate all assets so the national state was the ultimate owner, and therefore able to pledge the people for credit to the international bankers, the fundamental monetary system changed: "Whenever in the judgment of the Secretary of the Treasury, such action is necessary to protect the currency system of the United States, the Secretary of the Treasury, in his discretion, may require any or all individuals, partnerships, associations and corporations to pay and deliver to the Treasurer of the United States any or all gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates owned by such individuals, partnerships, associations and corporations." which closed the loop and made every US citizen chattel as FDR pledged the good faith and credit of the United States to the international bankers --in return, an unbelievable flood of credit was available since the good faith and credit of the United States is "We the People...." but FDR sold us downstream into a debt financed economy from which there is no escape; we are still there, the debt service is destroying any permanent economy AND total collapse under the debt load is bequeathed to our children. Congress repealed FDR's rubber stamp for the "President" in 1973, but the War Powers Act remains, still modified to treat US citizens as the enemy. and the power of the "President" to make those regulations, and the automatic approval are enshrined for current and future Presidents in Title 12 USC 95(b) "The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March the 4th, 1933, pursuant to the authority conferred by subdivision (b) of Section 5 of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended, are hereby approved and confirmed." The real issue is the President and the fat cat power brokers can get away with these shenanigans __as_long_as_the_people_let_them__. We are still under the Rule of Necessity. We are still in a declared state of national emergency, a state of emergency which has existed, uninterrupted, since 1933. FDR's licensing agencies were rather trivial in number; today there are thousands of them, many with their own administrative courts. FDR took away our common law when he bankrupted America, which is a national corporation under the Hague convention (courtesy of Stanton and Seward after the Civil War). Bankruptcy is a contract, and we are the bait, subject to that court, which is in effect an Admiralty court, and we are "licensed" to literally exist by FDR's Social Security Number schema. and every courtroom now flies the fringed Admiralty flag where habeas corpus is a privilege, not a right, if it exists at all. This is the importance of Louis F[reeh,uck]. He, and Janet Reno as the DOJ rubber stamp, are holding the collar for your neck. They are selling it to you little by little, or even all at once. Why Louis F[reeh,uck]? Madison Avenue style with credentials; he can sell the program. F[reeh,uck] is the front man, the schill. Machiavelli, in his "Discourses of Livy," acknowledged that great power may have to be given to the Executive if the State is to survive, but warned of great dangers in doing so. He cautioned: Nor is it sufficient if this power be conferred upon good men; for men are frail, and easily corrupted, and then in a short time, he that is absolute may easily corrupt the people." sleezeball's comments are scarfed by Congress, sleezeball's candor rocks their cradles, sleezeball shows them private morality plays about a populace running wild with crypto-anarchy, running wild to burn out the offices of central power... in other words: DEPRIVE THEM CONGRESSCRITTERS OF THEIR FREE LUNCH AND IMMUNITY. is it not odd that the more the government tries to abridge our free speech rights, the more they want to confiscate our weapons? free speech is a weapon of democracy! privacy is a weapon of democracy! cryptography is a weapon of democracy! We are not fighting with guns and explosives this time, armed insurrection against the power of the Federal government is suicidal --we are fighting for our lives and the right to live our lives with words: the ability to hear those words _before_ government censors and spin doctors render them useless lies. Bubba can not win a war of truth and information; we can/ The Marquis de Sade: Are not laws dangerous which inhibit the passions? Compare the centuries of anarchy with those of the strongest legalism in any country you like and you will see that it is only when the laws are silent that the greatest actions appear. however, anarchy is the key word that ignites even the ACLU against your cause; it even makes makes bedfellows of Pat Buchanann and the homosexual/priest/congressman from Massachusetts... pure anarchy, by definition, does not work, anyway. forget it. get the concept out of your systems as it inflames everyone and all other reason is lost in the screaming and police batons. Even Teddy Roosevelt called for the complete extermination of anarchists, to be hunted like vermin. give it up; or go to your private island and fly your rattlesnake flag. even Anguilla will not tolerate anarchists. just give us our REAL constitutional rights as Franklin, Madison, Jefferson, Adams, and friends intended; give us constitutionalists on the Supreme Court, not bleeding hearts, statists, and central power freaks. get the Feds out of cradle to grave big government and let the people determine their religion and morality. give us freedom of speech, freedom to bear arms, freedom from unreasonable searches, freedom not to incriminate ourselves, and repeal the 14th Amendment so we can have states' rights again. if our Constitution were permitted to govern as it was intended, and the states obeyed the precepts endowed to not further limit the rights of the people, America would be the home of the free, not big government, not freeloaders and the welfare state; not the leftovers of a once great nation. give us the rights Abraham Lincoln cherished lovingly: "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." let _them_, not me, live the downside. George Washington, in his farewell address, warned: "... change by usurpation; for through this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed." cypherpunk philosopher kings: pick up your picks and shovels, get your hands dirty, and start digging in; it's going to be a long and difficult campaign and the tactics needed to expose F[reeh,uck]'s true intentions as the schill for the Clintons who are schills for the elitist leading the destruction of American democracy. The Congressional compromise love match season isn't over yet; the schmoozers and lobbyists, like so many furry rats, still wander the dark halls and tunnels looking for the last, late in the season, clandestine and obscene fuck. any whore will do. lobbyists have long reputations for selling out the interests of their paymasters; the lobbyists are so much a part of the Washington culture that they have _no_ morality or moral position --it is all about who they can claim to have influenced --what difference does it make if it is contrary to the client --the art of the deal, protect their own position and find newer, richer clients --whores! logrolling and porkbarrel voting --but never go home without a deal; used car salesmanship: get your man. I can hear the lobbyists whining now as they are called on the carpet: "aw, come on Mac, we got you a compromise from LEA demands..." never realizing that there is such an action as NO bill, they sell out half our rights blocking legislation which would never happen. they claim they got back half. what half? --some unknown half that we _never_ lost! that is why: The 10 Commandments contain 297 words. The Bill of Rights is stated in 463 words. Lincoln's Gettysburg Address contains 266 words; and: A recent federal directive to regulate the price of cabbage contains 26,911 words. (The Atlanta Journal) send the quisling Neville Chamberlains to the gas chambers! the public needs to be educated, not in crypto, but in the horrors of an oligarchy which intends to destroy the fundamental freedoms on which we stand. publish his credit records; publish his medical records --tell his neighbors about his visits from Child Protective Services... then Joe Coach Potato will figure out he needs something AFTER he figures out there are fuckors and fuckees, and he's on the short end of that stick. [pardon my French] then, and only then, will the masses understand privacy --when they have lost it. either we show the people before they lose everything to uncle, or... just dump it on the table to show everyone just how much uncle knows about _you_. Attila's thought for the day: Now, with a black jack mule you wish to harness, you walk up, look him in the eye, and hit him with a 2X4 over the left eye. If he blinks, hit him over the right eye! He'll cooperate. --so will politicians. Louis F]reeh,uck], did you really state this hoping everyone would think you are joking? "We are potentially the most dangerous agency in the country if we are not scrutinized carefully." Louis F[reeh,uck], you obviously know that telling the truth, before the truth is really the truth, disarms your opposition since they can plainly see that it is not true. there is a limit to what you can endure before you must stand to be counted --so I will loudly echo Tim's sentiment: + +When Cypherpunks are called "terrorists," we will have done our jobs. + -- "Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other." --Benjamin Franklin ______________________________________________________________________ "attila" 1024/C20B6905/23 D0 FA 7F 6A 8F 60 66 BC AF AE 56 98 C0 D7 B0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. 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Encrypting Pagers is Easy! [Overview, technical tradeoffs, crypto]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One of the articles on the White House Pager Hack quoted a government official saying that encrypting pagers would be complicated and difficult. http://jya.com/potus-hack.htm http://www.inch.com/~esoteric/pam_suggestion/formal.html In fact, it's available today from several sources: 1)Digital PCS, in TDMA, GSM1900, and CDMA, though US coverage isn't complete (as of May 97, AT&T had service in 40% of the US land area, 80% population, and the GSM1900 players are expecting wide coverage later this year (e.g. PacBell and OmniPoint), plus Sprint PCS and other players are there.) There's a white paper on AT&T's Digital PCS at http://jya.com/digipcs.html which talks somewhat about the security. Phil Karn's posted some articles in the past about on the NSA's armtwisting that kept the cellphone encryption from being strong enough for serious security, but if it's not good enough for the White House, that's somewhat their fault. 2)Motorola's extremely cool PageWriter 2000 is a ~2"x2" programmable beeper with keyboard, 160x240 screen, crypto, operating system, and infrared. http://www.mot.com/MIMS/MSPG/Products/Two-way/pagewriter/ says it uses the Flex Operating System and ReFLEX 2-way paging; the person who showed me the beta version said OS9 and GSM. I'd guess that Flex is OS9 with bells and whistles added, and that the pager's CPU is a 68000-family chip, and that either he's wrong about GSM or there's a second flavor coming out that does GSM. In any case, it's user-programmable, and Motorola has crypto support. 3)If you insist on pager service that's not part of the cellphone or beeper you were carrying already, or want wider coverage, it's still not very hard, and it can be done with or without the paging service's cooperation. 4)PCMCIA cards in your PDA can get alpha pager, CDPD, ARDIS, RadioMail, etc. A cypherpunk replied that the difficulty is the fault of US anti-crypto policy. It's also the fault of spectrum licensing policies creating a small number of players in most markets and restricting what they can do "in the public interest", which has slowed deployment of new radio technology. Making money at it may still be hard, since the government interference fragments on the market and raises costs, but that's a separate problem, and if you can piggyback on existing developments like PCS and CDPD, it's a lot easier. Technology tradeoffs -------------------- Pager-company approaches vs. end-user-based - for the former, you have to convince the pager service and hardware companies there's a market; for the latter, you don't change the service, just send encrypted data using the alpha pager protocols, and soup up your pager to decrypt it. For PCS or CDPD or other radio data systems, it's also just data. If the pager company does the encryption, it's vulnerable to wiretaps and escrow. Relays - in a user-based system, you can either have the message sender do the encryption, which means distributing your code and keys widely, or run a relay box, e.g. Web page with SSL that handles the crypto and paging, letting people who want to page you use a standard web browser. Pager technology vs. crypto horsepower - basic pagers don't have a lot of horsepower, but a general-purpose 8-bit processor chip should be able to do RC4 in near-real-time, and maybe other symmetric-key algorithms. Public-key needs more horsepower - is it too slow for a pager-sized system? Digital cellphones use plenty of CPU to handle voice and dumb crypto, in not much more space, though they do use a lot more battery. If you don't want to custom-build your own pagers, use a pager card in a PDA - the Newton's had this for a while, and has a RISC CPU, so it's fast, and there are HP DOS-based palmtops which are slower, though the new Windows CE machines are probably faster than the previous generation. There'll probably be Pilot PCMCIA versions, though that's slower, and you can use Pilot with Metricom today and use Ian's PGP tools. The upcoming Psion 5 uses a StrongArm CPU; don't know if it does PCMCIA. Crypto issues ------------- What about the crypto protocols themselves? Public-key is straightforward; if you use 1024-bit keys you can even skip the symmetric-key layer and just send 128-character messages (or longer if you want to do Baudot or 7-bit ASCII :-) If you do public-key from the end user, it's secure, but all users need to use your public key to send you messages. If you do public-key from the pager company, all messages are encrypted, but the system is vulnerable to eavesdroppers and Escrow Cops. Does the response channel for two-way paging let you send arbitrary data, e.g. a Diffie-Hellman keypart? Secret key has more choices, with varying vulnerabilities - shared secret with pager company - dumb, works fine, you'd probably have the pager company set the secret key along with the pager parameters, and of course it's an obvious target for escrow and eavesdropping. For a mass-market service, this would be the most likely approach. Alternatively, you could have the manufacturer set the keys, along with setting the pager's internal ID, though that's a major security risk for both official and unofficial escrow (or, as Eric Hughes put it, "an opportunity for simultaneous employment" :-) - user-managed relay from public-key to user's secret-key - instead of paging you, people send public-key messages to your computer (email, web page, etc.), which decrypts and re-encrypts with your secret key. For larger organizations, like the White House Communication Agency or corporate or military groups, this could be run by a shared system which knows all the group's keys. - in either of these cases, you'd probably want to use the shared secret key to exchange a random session key rather than to encrypt the message directly, to reduce known and chosen plaintext attacks. Using RC4 directly doesn't work (known plaintext -> you lose), but can you do things like send IV, and encrypt using (Secretkey,IV) as a key? Or use secretkey XOR IV? Hash(Secretkey,IV) would be better, but probably too slow, though I suppose you could do some cheap hash? traffic analysis questions - if you buy the pager service in cash, it's not very traceable - but how long will this be legal? The relay approaches let your users send you pages without knowing your pager number, which is good, but a phone tap or other eavesdropper can presumably figure out who your relay is sending the message to. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Regular Key PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639

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Re: Ecash Remailer #1
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bill Stewart wrote: >At 08:25 PM 09/29/1997 -0400, Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> wrote: >>This is a test of the first modern remailer to accept ecash. Sorry for the >>inconvenience. > >Which remailer is it? anon.efga.org? Or something forwarding >through there? Maybe Ian Goldberg would be kind enough to explain? Messages sent to ecash-remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca with payment pop out at anon.efga.org. That's all I know. Personally, I would like to see the message come from the "ecash-remailer". My guess is that people who pay 25 cents will write more interesting messages. Also, it (or a remailer after it) seems to be eating subject lines, which is less than ideal. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDHlQZaWtjSmRH/5AQGgZQf+IxxZ2Gqw28A/YtsVeqvEoI81z8+2Cznd zqWUUY15RJSqOJpLhhK5XhJriNTgA5kA6encZkl3u3HtiMzj1UK9QWsbYbgQqYGD Ue0XNE7m3R2EExu8q9+xk4Vk1dHyUMzPdBrHGUzFTzKBnfyL/InKirdtFFqZchhn pOZjd1eClDyQskXP6NUIkoc+NSybkw4yBoFgVqcqWUJInxvDRdNQq+aSGL5IZ1ew X1le5FtWviqqRAfkLPhLENRhEmn0Wgr7G6nnlDcOQbh/o8z+fcs7o3aCBmvAJCud Vct6n+FqrDvgmr9Jm0WJXb4gehOb1iE18T7sR9cmPm3FV6WOUXEZVA== =jlTZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Secure HTTP servers.
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim wrote: > I just started working vfor a local ISP and they found out, i was on > this list and knew a little about crypto. Anyway they seem to have the > impression this would qualify me to know something. At any rate, on to > the point of the mail. Could someone point me in the right direction for > info on secure http servers ?? Also maybe info on which is better than > the other ?? Jim, Congratulations on your new job at Microsoft. For info on secure http servers, you might want to check with Netscape, for starters. Always willing to help out newbies. THE .987 LIE

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Re: Windows 95 -- succinctly
by Bad BillyG 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone attempting to have Mike Denney assassinated wrote: > Windows 95: n. > 32 bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16 bit > patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded > for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, > that can't stand 1 bit of competition. Anyone with information relating to the original author of the above definition is encouraged to call 1-800-HIT-MAN1, or to contact Microsoft Corporate Headquarters. Please note that the above definition is considered to be proprietary information owned by the Microsoft Corporation and any unauthorized use of the definition will be considered grounds for the offending party and everyone they know to have their web sites rated 'Non-Existent' by the InterNet Content Coalition, as described in Section 178.a, Sub. C-23, of the 'InterNet Secret Government Manifesto' of Sept. 5, 1997. Bad BillyG "Sure, I could tell you what operating system *I* use...but then I'd have to 'kill -9' you."

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"I'm a programmer and I vote"
by Ernest Hua 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How about a bumper sticker that says: "I'm a programmer and I vote" Check out: http://www.news.com/Perspectives/tc/tc9_29_97a.html Ern

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Re: Remailers and ecash
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bill Stewart wrote: >Latency is essential to security, though high volume reduces the >latency that's needed to get a given level of security. Latency may be a means to get security in the current remailer design, but it is a means to the end and not the end itself. This doesn't mean we shouldn't use latency to get security, but it is undesirable, like using cinderblocks for construction. The reason I point this out is that it is important to separate design choices to achieve a goal from the goal itself. If we had a remailer network in which each customer had a constant bandwidth connection to one or more remailers, you could have zero latency mail. (Actually, this would be nice to use with those Comsec phones.) It is my understanding that serious naval vessels like aircraft carriers use constant bandwidth channels to defeat traffic analysis. That is, to every place they might wish to communicate, they continuously broadcast encrypted information. Most of the time the channel is empty, of course, but nobody outside can tell when. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDHpnZaWtjSmRH/5AQF2Awf6AoTd0EnojWRoLGsTqVgkZdirRWqFcNNk nYE7Eh455GxPPfsapn/Q811cmzflrC6TUE6sY0sga/hdpQy4IgPsgRDnC5d+LCWR gO8CEwGXkd6Gl3DEduIL2k7eKeuXoZqK1VVgcEnY4Vsci4yJhcl/FLOx5yGcEVNM 850LGQz/PgEg1XhoMpeOkSBh7vtX+nMOyENzALwf11sg/64tKRCCTHfqgfKSn1tC IT6yrZ2NqUvMPxbomZ4U9DPsc0oz0TggrqHQneNWw1lYjzPDpXRn8jiSlalTZcFs kYFeyQQbw23e0Y/Qevtjn8/QngF/4BcyC21mPxaz35U1EwiFV0Lp/Q== =tfWS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The Color of Money
by nobody＠neva.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Some might find this entertaining: yesterday the bits at the end of this message were worth $50 for a few hours. It still seems like magic. 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Re: DejaVu: Cypherpunks as Philosopher Kings
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Attila T. Hun wrote: > the sleezeball, who intends to make J Edger look like a piker at > surveillance, has the gleam of unabridged power in his eyes. Louis > F[reeh,uck] is charming, even disarming, as he tells a Congressional > committee: > > "We are potentially the most dangerous agency in the > country if we are not scrutinized carefully." (Jun '97) ............................................................................ Since he says "we are ... dangerous ... if .... we are not scrutinized carefully", I interpret this to mean that he is advising and warning that the agency therefore *needs* to be kept under watchful surveillance, lest it develop to the level of its worst potential. .. Blanc

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Pauline hanson's One Nation Newsletter
by Global Web Builders 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Pauline Hanson's Monthly electronic newsletter: October 1997 Issue: 1.3 nsw There are several issues that we would like to cover this month. They are all very important and need your support to create the momentum we need to address the wrongs that are currently taking place in Australia. ___________________________ 1) Petition to the Prime Minister: Firstly please take a moment to sign the on-line petition to the Prime Minister's office demanding that he not be pressured into putting One Nation last on the How to Vote cards at the next Federal Election: The petition is at: http://www.gwb.com.au/petition.html ___________________________ 2) The Canadian experience - Canada is now being divvyed up into independent states. Pauline Hanson's press release at: http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/press/011097.html looks at the implications to you. The architect of Canada's break up is now living in Brisbane and advising the Aboriginal Central Land Council on how to go about divvying Australia up into a number of Aboriginal States financed by the Australian Federal Government! ___________________________ D O N A T I O N S P L E A S E...... 3) One Nation is growing (we now have nearly 200 branch offices established) and we need you to put your hand in your pocket to keep this growth on course. We have established a web site called 'Take a byte for Australia'. http://www.gwb.com.au/pledge.html We aim to raise $100,000 through the Internet during this financial year. We know that this is a big ask but if you believe that the on-line service provides value and if you would like to help One Nation please 'Take YOUR byte for Australia now'. A gauge will display how well we are going towards achieving this target of on-line donations to One Nation. You can print out a donation form and send it to Pauline Hanson's One Nation head office in Sydney. Donations of up to $100 are fully tax deductable. ___________________________ 4) Important Internet addresses: Pauline Hanson's One Nation: http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation Pauline Hanson's One Nation press releases: http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/press/press.html The Hanson Phenomenon: http://www.gwb.com.au/hanson.html Archive of One Nation launch and branch launches: http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/onenation ____________________________ Thank you for your support.

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please send cyberpunk remailing list
by H. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thamks H. Smith

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Re: Remailer Attack
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert A. Costner wrote: >If Monty would like to send a suitable 486, I'll see to it that it >becomes a remailer. If you would like to send two 486's, I'll see to >it that they both become remailers and at least one of them has a >latency under 60 secs average. Donated machines (stuffed with ecash, >I hope) may be sent to:... I will seriously consider it. Were I to do this, I would like to donate the money to the EFF, preferably through an ecash payment. Then, you can buy a 486 you consider to be suitable. Also, donations to the EFF are tax deductible, are they not? What would be the odds of naming it the "Cantsin Remailer"? Just curious. ;-) The more I think about affinity remailers, the less off the wall they seem to me. It would really be rather neat if EFF supporters could send a message through your remailer and then have the outgoing message stamped with the amount contributed. For those operating anonymously it buys a mild amount of credibility, but you could also imagine people sending non-anonymous messages through it: "See everybody! I gave $100 to the EFF!" The publicity alone would probably be worth it for the first organization to start doing this. It should be good for a few newspaper articles. And it's certainly a novel and fun way to raise money. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDHh/ZaWtjSmRH/5AQFVWwf9HS0YNywx71oHR3mS7BzPQcIjmWpkxhs5 8f99d+obelQ1Wpxmnxnv/9a4hX2HmPS1ZVJXYjgxUmDARiMtR1kQBEGBX82Mlrv6 w4VGEvBUM5Kc41eKLgm2E9pjaeN3uyUvXXk3S+cPkIcNCp4KrzzM1fA/COwwXk3u aI4ke/aAoJrmql09guIlH5K5D1fNjN5npnipy50OqB+hSarZZZeKTJY7XLDX2BE7 Cuvz1dVoC4WulmoKxUuCv6emsR8jSAMW05N2QoY/+c+SZwnMLMz80qXTSELO0gXl L4EYMHYNgwF396oYKSB1uDBNytJX8GadgtIm/jOJbGIuUctPvifzBA== =1a6m -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Why? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 22:54:15 -0700 > From: Bill Frantz <frantz(a)netcom.com> > Subject: Re: Why? (fwd) > > At 7:49 PM -0700 9/30/97, Jim Choate wrote: > >My original question still stands, why would I or any other party choose to > >use an anonymous remailer for anything other than the original 3 items I > >mentioned previously. > > Black Unicorn uses a nym to express opinions he expects his coworkers and > acquaintances would not like. Anonymous remailers can be used for the same > purpose. Ok, I believe that falls under the 'bitching' category. > I have heard of people's posts being brought up in employment > interviews. A rational person might want to express controversial opinions > anonymously. And your point is? My personal opinions have nothing to do with my professional career and yours shouldn't either. I would love to have a company bring up my past posts, makes it easy to decide if I want to work there or not. If you want to work for such a company and you know their views and your views are in conflict then I would say you need a shrink not an anon. remailer. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:59:23 +0200 (MET DST) > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > Subject: Re: Remailers and ecash > It is my understanding that serious naval vessels like aircraft > carriers use constant bandwidth channels to defeat traffic analysis. Got a reference on this? All my experience (setting up networks and providing technical support during Desert Storm) and references indicate they use SS and burst transmitters for this. An aircraft carrier with a continous CW is a sitting duck. It's like being a grunt and wearing a floodlight. Consider, if you can use the transmissions to strike the target who cares what they are sending now, they won't be sending anything in a couple of minutes. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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INFO-RUSS: Reuters: Threat to West (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From INFO-RUSS-request(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu Tue Sep 30 23:10:03 1997 Message-Id: <9709302124.AA14693(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu From: info-russ(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu To: info-russ(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:05:10 +0100 Subject: INFO-RUSS: Reuters: Threat to West Priority: normal --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1200+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS assumes no responsibility for the information/views of its users. --------------------------------------------------------------------- [ Reuters New Media] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday September 29 9:06 PM EDT Russia Crime Crisis is Threat to West - Report By Jim Wolf WASHINGTON (Reuter) - Russia is an increasingly unreliable partner on international issues because of the power of corrupt officials, crooked businessmen and organized crime, a U.S. public policy research group said Monday. A panel of the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) said criminalization of its economy would make normal state-to-state relations with Russia impossible if left unchecked. Some 200 Russian organized crime groups operated worldwide after thrusting their "tentacles throughout Russia's economy" and gaining the ability to manipulate its banking system and financial markets, the CSIS panel said in a report. It said the erosion of legitimate government authority in Russia endangered international efforts in peacekeeping, nuclear non-proliferation and economic restructuring. "The most important, and perhaps the most significant and troubling finding of the task force, is that, at the level of state-to-state interaction, it will become impossible for the United States and other states to have traditional satisfactory dealings with an emergent Russian criminal-syndicalist state," the CSIS panel report said. It defined such a state as one shot through with bureaucratic corruption, full-time "professional criminals" and businessmen for whom existing Russian law was simply an obstacle to be overcome. "In many respects such a criminal-syndicalist state already exists in Russia today," said the CSIS panel, citing government, business and academic leaders. It said corruption that pervades "every level of Russia's bureaucracy" was the major hurdle to thwarting organized crime there. William Webster, who headed both the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1980s, was chairman of the steering committee under which the CSIS report on Russian organized crime was prepared. In a preface to the report, Webster and Arnaud de Borchgrave, the CSIS Global Organized Crime project director, said roughly two-thirds of Russia's economy was already "under the sway" of crime syndicates involved in protection rackets. "The majority of private enterprises and commercial banks are compelled, by force if necessary, to pay protection in the amount of 10 percent to 30 percent of their profits" to organized crime groups, it said. The CSIS panel urged President Clinton to describe Russian organized crime publicly as a threat to U.S. national security, notably because of the danger of losing control of its nuclear arsenal. It said the United States should prod partners in the Group of Seven rich industrial nations to discuss an investment treaty to deny export credits to Western firms doing business with organized-crime controlled firms in Russia. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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INFO-RUSS: Reuter: Russian+Russian Drug Cartels (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From INFO-RUSS-request(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu Wed Oct 1 00:10:46 1997 Message-Id: <9709302124.AA14700(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu> Errors-To: INFO-RUSS-request(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu Sender: INFO-RUSS-request(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu Precedence: bulk From: info-russ(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu To: info-russ(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:09:10 +0100 Subject: INFO-RUSS: Reuter: Russian+Russian Drug Cartels Priority: normal --------------------------------------------------------------------- This is INFO-RUSS broadcast (1200+ subscribers). Home page, information, and archives: http://psi.ece.jhu.edu/~kaplan/IRUSS/inforuss.html To post, or to subscribe/unsubscribe, mail to info-russ(a)smarty.ece.jhu.edu INFO-RUSS assumes no responsibility for the information/views of its users. --------------------------------------------------------------------- [ Reuters New Media] ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday September 29 9:06 AM EDT Post: Russian Mob, Drug Cartels Joining Forces WASHINGTON (Reuter) - Russian organized crime groups, flush with dollars, are forming alliances with Colombian drug traffickers in the Caribbean, acquiring cocaine for delivery to Europe and providing weapons to Latin American mafias, The Washington Post reported Monday. The newspaper, quoting U.S., European and Latin American law enforcement officials, said the Russian groups were also opening banks and front companies across the Caribbean, largely using them to launder millions of dollars from drug sales and other criminal activities. The officials were quoted as saying that the growing alliances between Russian and Colombian criminal organizations were the most dangerous trend in drug smuggling in the Western Hemisphere. Barry McCaffrey, the Clinton administration's national drug control policy director, said the Russian groups were among the "most threatening criminal organizations based in the United States." The newspaper quoted him and other sources as saying that the Russian groups offered drug cartels access to sophisticated weapons and brought access to new drug markets in the former Soviet Union at a time when consumption was falling in the United States. The sources told the Post recent undercover operations had detected attempts by Russian groups to sell Colombian drug traffickers a submarine, helicopters and surface-to-air missiles.

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Re: Remailers and ecash
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Using a remailer doesn't hide the fact that the sender is using a remailer. An eavesdropper who monitors incoming messages to the remailers can easily learn who is using them. A constant bandwidth connection will at least disguise *when* the messages are sent.

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InfoWar 26 / TEXT
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The True Story of the InterNet Part III InfoWar Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- InfoWar Table of Contents * Everything You Know Is Wrong ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Everything You Know Is Wrong ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I think that we're all Bozos on this bus!" Alexis glanced at Bubba Rom Dos with a worried look showing on her face. Was he drifting back toward Never-Never Land as a result of a fresh backlash of InformEnergy from their renewed use of the Trei Transponder? "Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers." the Cowboy said, seemingly in response to Bubba's strange statement. Bubba and the Cowboy sat grinning like banshees at each other and Alexis, but she couldn't discern whether their lunacy was their 'normal' lunacy, or the 'abnormal' lunacy coming from a hundred years in the past, compliments of Peter Trei and ? the Lunatic. Alexis threw up her hands, and said, "I give up! Are you you crazy, or are you him crazy?" "Firesign Theater crazy." the Cowboy responded, with a chuckle, as if that was supposed to mean something. Alexis was happy to see Priscilla, d'Shauneaux and Melissa approaching, thinking that there was safety in numbers when faced with the combined mirth and madness of Bubba and the Cowboy. Still, she couldn't resist saying to the three as they approached the table, "I think that we're all Bozos on this bus!" As the three gave Alexis a puzzled look, Cowboy added, "Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers." Bubba rose to speak to the assembled group, but d'Shauneaux stopped him short with a wave of his hand. "Hold it!" he said, abruptly. He reached for the Jack Daniel's, poured the three newcomers a shot, knocked back his shot and poured himself another, tipped his hat to Bubba, and said, "OK, Bubba. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!" Priscilla and Melissa hurriedly knocked back the shots of bourbon sitting in front of them, as if failing to do so would result in their being left vulnerable to the unspeakable evil that was the inevitable result of remaining sober during one of the grizzled sage's grand monologues. Bubba nodded to the group, gave himself a hitch in the crotch, lifted his arms upward and outward, as if blessing the masses gathered at the base of the Holy Mount, waiting for the Word from On High, and told those gathered before him, "Everything you know is wrong!" The small assembly looked at each other, nodded in agreement that this was obviously one of the great truths of life that everyone instinctively knew was true, but which nobody would ever be able to explain, and they rose as a group, as the Cowboy said, "Well, that's all for today. Let's go home" "Sit down!" Bubba commanded, trying to look offended. As the group retook their seats, Jonathan arrived, saying, "Bubba, are you about to explain one of those things that is unexplainable, and draw us into your sticky web of beyond the fringe reality, convincing us, once again, that we actually understand and agree with your madness?" Bubba looked hurt. "Of course not. You're much too smart for me to even hope to accomplish such a thing." He pushed the bottle of Jack Daniel's toward Jonathan with a grin and a wink. "I am hoping to accomplish this devious task with the Magic Circle and CypherPunks who currently stand at a crucial point in history where their actions have the potential to make a difference between a Global Electronic Renaissance taking shape, or a Fascist ElectroMagnetic Curtain slamming down around them, imprisoning all on earth within a virtual reality that will be structured and controlled by a privileged few who pay tribute to the diablerie of their own opportunistic self-interest." Bubba paused to gauge his small audience's reaction, thus far, and decided that he was on a roll and could pull out all of the stops. He sat down, poured himself a shot of Jim Beam, and leaned over to whisper to his coconspirators in their desperate fight against the tide of history and humanity which strove to sweep them into the great ocean of group mind. "Everything you know is wrong" he whispered, his eyes taking on a great sadness that swept over those gathered with him around the old oak table. "which is why we laugh." he added, breaking into a melancholy, ironic grin. "All truth lies in comedy." the Cowboy interjected, with a slightly less sad smile, indicating that the theme for the day was going to be "The only way out is through.", meaning that he and Bubba were about to help them step into a world where reality lay on the other side of the laughter or lunacy, the happiness or sadness, the Yin and the Yang of every conceivable thought, belief and emotion imaginable. "George Carlin said it best." Bubba nodded to the Cowboy, thanking him for his support in treading boldly into the arms of the illogical in a journey toward the unthinkable. "I make my living telling people things they already know, but forgot they knew." Bubba quoted the Zen master of uncommon sense. "Lenny Bruce also said it best." the Cowboy added, proceeding to stand and pace like a junkie speed-freak whose feet were trying to keep his brain in close proximity to his racing mind, "People tell me 'You're Jewish. You killed Jesus.' I tell them, 'Hey, it was a party, it got a little out of hand.' "Lenny Bruce was Jesus." the Cowboy continued. "That's why he was crucified by the Pharisees of his time, as Jesus was in his ownthey both spoke the truth and refused to renounce their own perception of reality. "This is why the CypherPunks will be crucified as well." the Cowboy touched Jonathan gently on the shoulder, knowing that this statement would cause him to relive some of the tempestuous memories of his childhood. "And the Author also said it best." Bubba lightened the atmosphere a bit. "There's no niggers left in Oakland, babe, and all my lies are true." The small group laughed, remembering one of the legends surrounding the Author, who was, in one of his incarnations, the King of Country Porno. It seems that he was in Africa, serving as a bodyguard for a group of white Berkeley intellectuals who spent all of their time hanging out in the tourist areas where they ran little risk of running into too many of the original citizens of the country they were visiting. At night, the Author would cruise the city proper, seeking good booze and good music. He was in a beer and music hall holding close to a couple thousand party animals, all of whom were of a different pigmentation than himself, and the band that was playing, upon learning that he was a musician, invited him to get up and sing a few tunes. He had launched into "All My Lies Are True," not realizing, until he approached the chorus, that the last line might be considered politically incorrect in certain circles. The Author bit the bullet, and sang it the way he wrote it. "I just talked to the President and he sends you his regards. And Willie Nelson told me he wants to make you a star. They just found Howard Hughes' real will, and he left it all to you. There's no niggers left in Oakland, babe, and all my lies are true." "So why wasn't the Author crucified, if he also spoke the truth, as he saw it." Alexis asked the question which everyone immediately recognized as something they were also wondering about, but forgot that they were, until she asked it. Bubba grinned, and told them all what they already knew. "Becausehe was crazy." The small group all slapped their foreheads. "We knew that!" they said, in unison, and then broke out in laughter. Bubba stood, once again, to explain some of the oddities of the era they were currently studying, saying, "People who spoke the 'uncomfortable' truths that no one wanted to hear were generally classified as 'crazy' and given special dispensation, since nobody paid any serious attention to them. "Claiming to be Jesus, or to be speaking for this or that God, got you hospitalized or ignored," Bubba continued, "unless you gathered a following who believed you." The Cowboy spoke up, saying, "David Koresh, the messiah from Waco was really no different from a number of other self-proclaimed saviors of his day, except that he was claiming to be Jesus, in the heart of the Bible belt, and he had black followers agreeing with him. It is an anathema to claim to be Caesar, in the heart of Rome, as well. "People want to worship symbols. They wish to worship 'from afar.' If they are faced with the embodiment of their beliefs, then they are forced to confront their beliefs, and to act on them. If someone appears whose presence threatens to force you to face yourself, your hopes and dreams, your fears and shortcomings-then you have to kill them." The group sat in silenceeach contemplating in their own way the things that the Cowboy had just spoken of. "The comedians of the Author's time were similar to the Fools in the courts of the Kings, were they not?" Alexis asked Bubba. "Very astute, my dear." Bubba lifted his shotglass in toast to her. Then he proceeded, saying, "The Fool in the royal court was granted a special dispensation to relieve the stress that comes with political intrigue. The Fool was allowed to speak the unspoken truths which were known to one and all, but which had to remain unspoken in daily life so that secret foes could remain public allies in their alliance against their public adversaries. "Likewise, the comedians of the Author's time," Bubba said, "were allowed to 'poke fun' at the sacred cows and authorities of their day, although it was an open secret that they were, in reality, 'poking truth' at the object of their humor." "The CypherPunks," Jonathan broke in, "were originally the equivalent of the Fools in the King's court." "They appeared on the cover of 'Wired' magazine, early in its existence, wearing hockey masks with bar-code numbers, and the like, on them." "Wired Magazine," the Cowboy explained, "was one of the first public indications that, not only was it true that 'The Medium is the Message,' but also that the operant, or user, was the medium. "The Department of Defense had designed the InterNet to consolidate the communications of the scientists and intelligentsia of their era, supposedly in the interests of security, but actually in the interests of control of and access to those communications. The development and dissemination of this cutting edge technology via the system of higher education of that era, meant that both the structure and the use of the technology were being influenced in a major way by youth who stood halfway between the foolishness of childhood and the seriousness of adulthood." Priscilla, the designated 'mother' of the group, picked up the thread of logic, instinctively knowing where it was going, although she knew little of the details surrounding the technology of the era being discussed. "We have to remember that the time period we are discussing was a transition point between the education of the masses moving out of the hands of the state and into the hands of the media. The governments of the time had gone to great trouble to use the media as a tool to reinforce the role of the education system in turning out well-formed cogs in the wheels of society. "Even those parents who still strove to keep the ultimate results of their children's education and the development of their belief systems in their parents own hands, little realized that their own values and beliefs were mostly the end product of public education and media reinforcement of those same values and beliefs." Jonathan, being more familiar with the details of the educational system of that period, backed up Priscilla's statements, by adding, "Quite so." "As Priscilla has pointed out, as the end of the millennium approached, the preceding generations of adults had been increasingly programmed by a benevolent system of 'free' education which had as its aim the alignment of psychological development of the masses with the goals of the industrial revolution. "The benefits of the printing press and the factory for society meant that they were seen as 'good' and of 'value,' which led to a common error that has been perpetrated throughout history, namely, turning what was seen as 'good' into a 'god' and proceeding to institute and worship it in every area of daily life. Public education was promoted as an efficient way to give the benefits of equal intellectual and societal development to the commoners, through structuring the education system around the 'mass production' techniques which had proven to be beneficial in many ways in the arena of industrial technology." "In many ways," Jonathan continued, "the system of public education was of benefit to both society and the individual." "Unless you were a 'round peg,' in a society that had established 'square holes' as the 'standard' of the time." Bubba cut in. "Exactly." Alexis agreed, picking up the thread of the conversation from the perspective of the anomalies of that time period, according to the areas she had been investigating. "And throughout history, the role of adults has largely been to shape the round eggs," she paused to let the others recognize her subtle humor, "into a shape which would fit the particular sociological-religious-political structures of their day. "I can see where Cowboy is leading with his indication that one of the defining features of the InterNet, which made the Digital Revolution it launched vastly different from the Industrial Revolution which proceeded it, was that it was now the youth who were shaping the technology of the medium of the future." "Yes!" the Cowboy got up and walked to where Alexis was sitting, giving her a kiss on the forehead and then hugging her. He turned to the rest of the group, and continued from where he had left off. "The advances of the Industrial Revolution had made possible the development of the computer. However, the original computers suffered from their propensity for the software written for them being molded to fit the design of the physical product. In short, the machines produced were just that-machines. "One of the reasons the Author attributed to his becoming a computer guru in an amazingly short period of time, was his entry into the computer arena as the apprentice of Bill Campbell, one of the designers of the Adam motherboards, and the Authors work with retarded children early in life." Bubba broke in, to explain, "At the time, the general consensus in the industry was, 'Computers can't think.' Even during his initial learning stage in the computer arena, the Author always rebelled against this view. "His would always protest, 'Of course they can think! They think like retarded children.' And then he would proceed to recount a period of time when he received room and board from a woman who also had boarders who were outpatients from a local mental health facility, and who were considered mentally deficient. "He would tell of a fellow boarder, Paul, to whom the lady of the house would say, 'Paul, please take out the garbage.'" Bubba smiled along with the others, as they all knew the story, but always loved to hear it again. "The Author would then tell those listening to his analogy, 'After a few minutes, the lady would stick her head out of the doorway, and holler, "Paulcome back!"'" The small group broke into laughter, although they had heard the story many times in the past. The Cowboy spoke up, telling the others, "My research has indicated that the first computer software was a dismal failure, because the programmer had merely programmed it to 'go.' After he had sold it to 'a billionaire to be named later' it was rewritten to add, 'come back' to the command structure, and computer software was born." "Like the 'find' command, in UNIX." Jonathan laughed at the memory of his own foolishness. "Upon hearing that it was one of the most powerful and useful commands included in the operating system, I spent a considerable amount of time 'book-learning' all of the intricacies of the command. When I applied the results of my efforts to use of the command on the computer, itself, however, nothing ever seemed to happen. "My mentor was watching me entering all of these complicated, esoteric commands designed to do this, or that, only to have the end result once again be an empty prompt staring back at me from the computer screen. He leaned over me, calling up my last command, and added the '-print' option to it." Jonathan laughed at the memory. "As he walked away, with my screen scrolling madly, reporting the voluminous results of the command, he smiled and said, 'come back.' Point taken" Bubba rose, once again, to continue his dissertation to the group. "Which brings us back to my original statement." Bubba nodded to Jonathan for his contribution to the thread of the conversation. "Despite having spent a great deal of time and effort in 'learning by rote' the details and intricacies of the 'find' command,' everything Jonathan knew was wrong. "Why?" Bubba challenged the assembled members of the Magic Circle. "Because what he had learned didn't do him any good." Priscilla spoke up. "He didn't know the importance and the purpose of the various aspects of the command whose details he had memorized." Alexis suggested. Bubba looked to Jonathan, who had told this story before, without ever really seeking the true lesson which it potentially held for him. "I was expecting to be spoon-fed." Jonathan said, in awe of what he had just realized. "Yes!" cried all of the small group, at once. The tattered remnants of the Magic Circle each sat quietly, writing, typing, or thinking about the full implications of their discussion, so far, on the possibility that, as Bubba and Firesign Theater had informed them, everything they knew was wrong. "Everything you know can be as right as rain," Alexis pointed out, "until you take a step back, and a step to the leftand then it is all wrong." Jonathan scanned what he had written on the GraphiScreen and added, "You may be the consummate master of hand-to-hand combat, but if you bring a knife to a gunfight, then everything you know is wrong." The Cowboy laughed, understanding perfectly the line of thinking that had at one time been used in Texas as an argument for the superiority of one race over another. "AND, OR, IF!" All eyes turned to the Cowboy. "After 'GO' and 'COME BACK' had been established as the essence of computer programming," he smiled, "the 'retards' in charge of programming computers began to get fancy, including the basics of elementary logic in their programming structures. "They began to realize that 1 AND 0 would inherently return results that were different from 1 OR 0, in certain situations. Upon recognizing that the same command would return different results in dissimilar situations, then they began to realize the power of being able to qualify the command with IF." "And for many years," Bubba added, "these 'geniuses' became the elite of the computer industry for their ability to say AND, OR, IF, at a much faster rate than the pencil-pushers were able to do. "While ridiculing the idea that a 'mentally retarded' member of their society could be classified as a genius for deciding that 'IF' his hand hurt like hell when he told it to 'GO' to a hot burner on a stove, 'THEN' he would remove it, they nonetheless held themselves and one another in high esteem for their rudimentary ability to write code that said, "IF I>0" Those gathered were laughing at Bubba, at each other, and at themselves, as they recalled the passage from "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" which said, For men...it's like sex. You get half-decent at it, and you think you goddamn invented it. You look at those poor fools passing by on the street below and wonder what they would think if they knew you could make the variable 'i' count to a hundred, in increments of two, nonetheless, (or four, or ten, or whatever I decide---I have the power, the watch will do my bidding). But you could never explain it to them, they wouldn't understand. They don't have your knowledge. Or Power. It's a Secret that mere mortals can't fathom Priscilla, having become enamored with the rise of the FemiNazis in the Author's era, could not resist mentioning, "As long as computers remained the exclusive domain of the male members of the species, their development was basically limited to the production of 'bigger and better' penises, which performed at increasingly faster rates of speed." Alexis, seeing the chagrin of the male members of the group, backed up her mother's perspective by adding, "It wasn't until the female members of the tribe began to educate the male members that bigger and faster was not necessarily better, not only in sexual matters, but also in the realm of computer technology," she paused to receive a high-five from Priscilla, "that computers began to become somewhat useful for serving humans, rather than humans increasingly adapting their lifestyles to fit the design of the machine." "Yesyesa thousand times, yes!" Bubba roared, toasting the ladies, who returned his toast with an appreciative smile. Nonetheless, Bubba could not resist adding, "Now shut up and quit butting into men's business." After the women had finished pelting the old coot with ice cubes from their water glasses, Alexis returned Bubba's belittlement, kind for kind. "Yes, Priscilla," Alexis said, "we should let the man wearing the dress have the floor." Bubba smiled, smoothed his robe as if he was a debutante at her coming-out party, and continued. "Although both women and men were capable of fighting for survival when faced with a hostile world, the men tended to become the warmongers of various societies, since the hormones of the homo sapiens seemed to lean toward 'fight' in the males and 'flight' in the females. Thus the males tended to fight aggressively, to 'conquer' new territories, and the females tended to fight defensively, in order to 'defend' their territory, when it was invaded. "This was reflected in their respective roles in procreation," Bubba pointed out, "wherein the males would seek to penetrate the inner space of the woman, and the woman would seek to limit access to the inner parts of her physical being by exercising the power of personal choice as to who she would allow to penetrate her physical space and, therefore, her inner being." Alexis spoke up, saying, "Is it time for the children to leave the room?" "No, dear, you may stay." Bubba responded, winking at her. The Cowboy got things back on track by asking Bubba, "Wasn't the Author's era a time when humanity began moving past enslavement to the physical attributes of their bodies and their hormones, and toward accessing both the Yin and Yang aspects of the potentials that they all shared in common?" "Yes." Bubba stated, happy for the opportunity to move the discussion back toward the original starting point of the dialogue he had engendered. "To everything, there is a season. And a time to every purpose, under heaven." Bubba declared. "The Byrds." Jonathan said, then adding, "Or the Bible, if you are the religious type." "Exactly!" Bubba recognized the unwitting flow of the Tao in Jonathan's statement. "Everything you know is wrong." "When Jesus was the popular figure of the day, then one was 'right' in attributing the statement to the Bible. "However, once the Beatles became more popular than Jesus," Bubba was humorously referring to one of the meaningless, but important, ten-second sound bytes of the Author's era, "then attributing the statement to a musical group called the Byrds was 'right.'" "Does the warm or the cold water lie at the top of the lake?" Bubba asked, rhetorically. "It depends on the time, the place, and the season." "Twice a year, the lake turns over, with the warm water rising to the top, and the cold water sinking to the bottom, or vice versa. So no matter how 'right' you are at any particular point in time, then hours, seconds, or minutes later, you may be 'wrong.'" Bubba was about to bring his arguments full circle, bringing great metaphysical meaning to the things they had been discussing, but he realized that his mind had gone blank, and he could not remember what his original point had been. He motioned for the Cowboy to proceed. The Cowboy laughed, picking up the thread that Bubba had left hanging in mid-air. "Everything you know is wrongwhy?" "Because the universe is in motion, and knowledge is static." Alexis replied. The Cowboy nodded his appreciation to Alexis for cutting to the heart of the matter. "Jonathan mentioned that the problem he had with the 'find' command in UNIX was the result of his studying the details of the command, but expecting to be 'spoon-fed' the results. "At the tail end of the Industrial Revolution, when the education of the masses had been brought into alignment with the goals of the mechanization of society, the common view was that survival was now contingent on fitting in as a cog of the societal and governmental machines that had been created. "No longer was evolution and adaptation to a changing environment the secret to survival. Now, survival was contingent upon forcing the environment to fit into the structures that society and government had created in order to bend the universe to the will of mankind. And the survival of the individual within the society was therefore contingent upon staying within the confines of the defined societal and governmental structures of the day." "In the society that came about as a result of the Industrial Revolution, 'jigs' became the rule of the day. If the 'jig' in the factory required you to put a square peg in the square hole, in order to turn out a final product, then you did so. If all you had was round pegs, then you 'adjusted' them into the shape of a square. "The public education system of the Author's time was geared toward shaping the future adults of society to fit properly into the 'jigs' that had been designed to produce a pre-designed end product. Upon entry into the educational system, the children were ill-suited to being fitted into a slot of a particular size and shape, but they were 'broken down' and 're-formed' to fit their predestined slots in life, over a period of time as they advanced through the educational system." Bubba noted, "And if they failed to be broken down and 're-formed' by the regular educational system, then they were sent to 'reform school.'" The Cowboy laughed at his mentor's astute observation. "The Medium is the Message." the Cowboy reiterated one of the themes of their current discussion. "And the medium of the Industrial Revolution was the 'jig' which enabled mass production by turning the labor of the masses into a no-brainer." "Yes!" Bubba jumped to his feet, rejoining the land of people with functional brains. "Until the Industrial Revolution was overtaken by the Digital Revolution." Bubba was in his element, once again. "The technology, and thus the structure, of the Digital Revolution, was very much in the hands of the youth of the day, who were progressing from childhood to adulthood in a system of higher education in which they were the hands and feet of the intellectual elite of that point in history. "The InterNet was designed by the DOD to facilitate the efficient exchange of ideas and information between the scientific titans of the era, as well as allowing those in charge of the technology to monitor and manipulate both the source and ultimate directions that this sharing of InformEnergy would take." "They didn't realize that they were dealing with InformEnergy, did they?" Alexis asked, beginning to realize why it took so long for those using the technology of the Digital Revolution to begin to understand the true power of the forces they were dealing with. "No, Alexis, they didn't." Bubba motioned for the Cowboy to explain further. "The youth of the day understood the essence and potential of the technology that they were working with." the Cowboy stated. "But the dinosaurs in positions of power and authority, who failed to realize that the Industrial Revolution was coming to a close, thought of the InterNet as a way to pass data, and information. When the government of the US began to recognize the enormous potential of the InterNet, they promoted it as the 'Information Highway,' never suspecting that their children, who were still capable of creating and shaping their world in tune with their own ongoing growth processes, saw it, not as a tool to manipulate static information and data, but as a living, breathing entity, which would ultimately endow the static information of their forefathers with the energy which they, themselves, generated by the methods and processes they chose to employ in the use and development of the technology and the media, itself." "We make our gods, and do battle with themand they bless us." Bubba quoted one of the sages of the Author's era, Herman Hesse. "Interactive media!" Jonathan exclaimed, realizing for the first time the full import of what this early InterNet aphorism implied. "Precisely." the Cowboy agreed with Jonathan's unspoken train of thought. "Bob Dylan, one of the poets of the Net-Generation's parents, had said something to the effect that those who aren't busy living, are busy dying. "The parents had heard, and understood, the poets of their time, during the flower of their youth, but as they grew older, they settled into the statism of their programmed, mechanized education. " "The saints and sages of each generation were recognized and truly heard only by a small portion of those existing in the epoch within which they lived and died. It was invariably the youth of succeeding generations who separated the wheat from the chaff in the knowledge to which they were exposed in their formative years. "When Jesus said, "I Am the Way, and the Truth, and the Light." many of those of his own generation recognized the truth of what he spoke, but did not understand the import of what these words could mean in the process of daily life. "The Net-Generation understood, 'I Am the Medium, and the Message.' They understood that they were living in an interactive universe, in which they were the eternal Tao which has moved the universe from the beginning of time. Bubba interjected, "While the titans of the computer industry were busy finding ways to wrestle dynamic InformEnergy into predefined slots corresponding to their own narrow desires, there were groups of individuals, such as those in Taos, New Mexico, who were exploring such things as Chaos Theory, and the like, which took into account the role of randomness in the creation of the structure of the universe." "And with the recognition of the role of chaos in the flow of the universe," Bubba continued, "came the possibility that humankind, through the use of logic and rationale, could dance with the chaos surrounding them, taking part in the creation of the universe in which they lived." "Everything you know is wrong" Alexis said, pausing to complete the thought that was taking shape in her mind, "if what you know remains static." "Everything you know is right" Jonathan expanded Alexis' line of thought, "if you recognize that you are living in an interactive reality which is a creation of your own thoughts and actions, as well as those of othersa co-creation of yourself and of the chaos around you." The tattered remnants of the Circle of Eunuchs sat in quiet contemplation of the surprising turn that their investigation into a period of time which lay a hundred years in the past had taken. "We are the world" Priscilla quoted a song which had touched a nerve in the generation of humanity that they had been scrutinizing. Bubba smiled, taking Priscilla's hand in his own, and kissing it gently. He turned to his compatriots in the Magic Circle and spoke softly. "One of the terrible moments of each generation is when they look in the mirror and exclaim, in horror, 'I have become my parents.'" The group laughed, recognizing one of the verities of life that each generation of humanity had to face at a certain crossroads in the course of their life. "But they need not say it in shame," Bubba continued, "if they can honestly say that they have also, at some point in their life, gone beyond what their parents were, and beyond what their parents were capable of becoming. "The epitome of human development is to raise the children, whether they be your own, or the children of others, to go beyond the limitations of what you, yourself, have learned in the course of your lifetime." Bubba turned to Jonathan to bring their meeting to a close, knowing that he was the member of their small group who best understood the mentality of the time which they had accessed through use of the Trei Transponder, in the hope of making a difference in their past, and their future. Jonathan's countenance took on a seriousness that reflected a wisdom that went far beyond the number of years he had resided in physical existence. "In my grandfather's era," he said, "when the CypherPunks stood at a point in time where the future of humanity's movement into the arms of the Digital Revolution was as yet undecided" Jonathan paused, to gather his thoughts in a manner that would fully express one of the defining issues of that era, then continued. "The battle cry of the day was, 'For the children.'" "Save the childrenprotect the childrenin the interests of the children" Jonathan sat, immobile, repeating, "the childrenthe children the children." After a few moments, he looked up at those around him, and said, "As governments based on physical location began to become an anachronism, those who sought to disguise their evil intentions by 'wrapping themselves in the flag' of their particular country, began to 'wrap themselves' in the cloak of 'defenders of the innocent' in all areas of life, across the face of the globe. "The cry of 'Save the children!' was used to justify every evil action under the face of the sun, as those in power strove to maintain their position in a civilization that was in the process of dying and decaying around them." "In order to save the children, we had to kill them." Priscilla said, weeping at the thought of the innocents who died in the government assault on the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas. "The sins of the fathers shall be visited upon the children." Alexis, added, referring to the actions of Timothy McVeigh in bombing the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. "Nuke the children!" Bubba bellowed, causing the others to pelt him with a fresh round of ice cubes. The Cowboy stood up and raised his shotglass in toast to the youth who currently existed a hundred years in the past of those gathered around the antique oak table. "A tribute to those to whom the future truly belongsand to those who are truly our only hope for the future." "To the children" Copyright "Anonymous TruthMonger <blancw(a)microsoft.com>" "That's not my boss. That's my lover!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" "InfoWar (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet') Soviet Union Sickle of Eunuchs Secret WebSite ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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The War on Drugs--Surrender! / Re: INFO-RUSS: Reuter: Russian+Russian Drug Cartels (fwd)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > Forwarded message: > Subject: INFO-RUSS: Reuter: Russian+Russian Drug Cartels > Post: Russian Mob, Drug Cartels Joining Forces > The officials were quoted as saying that the growing alliances between > Russian and Colombian criminal organizations were the most dangerous trend > in drug smuggling in the Western Hemisphere. Legalize drugs! The War on Drugs *created* all of the current problems in this area by making minute amounts of forbidden substances worth more than precious metals. If we make sugar illegal, so that it sells for hundreds of dollars a gram, people will steal and kill over it. If we legalize it, the deaths will stop. The government would have us believe that the 'bad guys' are killing each other and ourselves and our neighbors over substances that cost mere pennies to produce. Bullshit. They are killing over the insane profits to be had from cheap products which are selling for outrageous prices as a result of the War on Drugs. Bottom Line: You and I may have to die in order for the government to attempt to prevent someone else from killing themself. Makes sense to me... Duhhh....

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Re: Remailers and ecash (fwd)
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/1/97 8:38 PM, Jim Choate (ravage(a)ssz.com) passed this wisdom: >> From: "Brian B. Riley" <brianbr(a)together.net> > >> No, but I see that someone with a fulltime connection or even a >> fulltime machine with an hourly or half hourly dialup would setup a >> program to send randomly generated "Null:" messages to the randomly >> selected remailers so that when he does have something to send that is >> meaningful it will not change the apparent flow ... > >And why does this by any security when it's the header info and >contents that Mallet looks at, not the frequency. The only thing >such approaches do is impliment security by obscurity, and that >ain't security. What header info?, its all messages to the remailer with nondescript info .. from that point the latency and mix takes over. The meaningful message looks no different from the 'cover' traffic. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNDMZusdZgC62U/gIEQIk+wCdFC7SjEcydQjGaec9VWwvTVa6fGEAoK6Y dAjcP7WI0TBubRcYPBHFIBFJ =ZUbr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom." - Alexis deToqueville

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Re: Remailers and ecash (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:03:36 -0400 > From: Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> > Subject: Re: Remailers and ecash > Using a remailer doesn't hide the fact that the sender is using a > remailer. An eavesdropper who monitors incoming messages to the > remailers can easily learn who is using them. A constant bandwidth > connection will at least disguise *when* the messages are sent. Huh? An eavsdropper can't use a clock to note when the packet was sent? I don't think so... ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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RE: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto"
by rab＠stallion.oz.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cynthia Brown wrote: > On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Alex Le Heux wrote: > > > You people just don't get it do you? A gun has one purpose: To kill. > Just like > > any other tool, a gun, if it is available _will_ be used at some > point. > > > > So making sure there are lots of guns around only serves to make a > lot of > > people very dead. This is a Bad Thing. > > > > Gun control laws are not the issue. It's a matter of mentality. In > Europe, > > where we have rather strict guncontrol laws, and have had them for a > long > > time a decent human being will not even think of shooting someone > else. In the > > US, where guns are tradition and part of the American way, many > people would > > not think twice before shooting someone. The result of this is that > the > > number of people getting killed by guns is enourmous, be they > criminals, > > little kids, old grannies, or presidents. > > > > This sucks. > > I agree wholeheartedly. Uncontrolled guns do not solve problems, they > > create them. If most households have at least one firearm, it makes > it > that much easier for a criminal to obtain one by stealing yours while > you > are at work. > > Canada may be regulated to death according to most libertarians, but I > for > one like it that way. I can walk alone and unarmed at night in > Ottawa, > Toronto, etc. without fearing for my life. Can a female resident of > Washington or New York say the same? Our schools do not have metal > detectors > at the entrances because they are not needed. > > IMNSHO the best way to fight crime is not with bigger guns than the > "bad > guys", but with better social programs such as universal health care, > and > improved day care so single parents can show their kids what a > productive > lifestyle looks like. This takes longer than blowing the brains out > of some > teenager that feels his only path to a better life is through crime, > and it > doesn't give the same adrenalin rush. However, it works at the source > of > crime, and not the consequences. This kind of talk makes me sick. For a start universal healthcare is totally unaffordable, when there is little or no cost the end-user over use of the services provided are inevitable, just look at Medicare here in Australia. Social security above certain levels leave recipients unmotivated to take responsibility for their own lives and is a bad example to their children, who will probably number largely among those teenagers who do turn to crime. > Cynthia, unrepentant bleeding-heart liberal Robert, unrepentant dry. > =============================================================== > Cynthia H. Brown, P.Eng. > E-mail: cynthb(a)iosphere.net | PGP Key: See Home Page > Home Page: http://www.iosphere.net/~cynthb/ > Junk mail will be ignored in the order in which it is received. > > Klein bottle for rent; enquire within. > > >

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM writes: > Are the posters in this thread unwilling to criticize C2Net's StrongHold > because they're afraid to get obnoxious threatening letters from Sameer > Parekh's shysters? Those who are newcomers to the list should know that Vulis has never presented any evidence substantiating his vague claims that Stronghold is insecure or has backdoors (or whatever the claims were). Vulis is conducting a personal vendetta against one of C2Net's staff members and anyone who happened to be or become associated with him.

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Re: Remailers and ecash
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Anonymous wrote: >> Using a remailer doesn't hide the fact that the sender is using a >> remailer. An eavesdropper who monitors incoming messages to the >> remailers can easily learn who is using them. A constant bandwidth >> connection will at least disguise *when* the messages are sent. > >Using a constant bandwidth connection just to the remailer network is >a waste. Better set up such a connection to a Pipe-net or Onion >Router network. The you can use the pipe for other services then >mail. A welcome side benefit would be that this conceals the use of >"mail" remailers Agreed, mostly. But your solution would be more expensive. "Constant bandwidth" does not mean you have to soak up every available bit, it just means you your usage should be consistent and look the same from the outside whether you are sending things or not. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDJ3+5aWtjSmRH/5AQHmxQf9EMHzudkOYcFu6eCB2saHw7DVZqaIesfL KCsPrszA8HlE6UrsiaRGbF9z+8etGOnTrQT0ApConGDpGoOj97oUpN4wy2xy0BwJ eo3dXG3uihH3IyesgHLbYEYlqgyZVx2hrpbQ/Hfz0SaWbfunBLgswnemhIyt5jEO kuxBkG/YrFiO4ZTIAcnBVku2xcPKxL4cRsNNE3CrqJZTVcmM9Kk/OoIuYKjBoDa1 5X+/b3JNQZE2e4Rdra0DljmSq4fE1o6vswNuMhKh0wzRXi7hm3D+irS2xtX7bg25 5tw+CquYwRJaJ8PfyTX2DrBl0C4R2HvFpZUr1X89CTwM1xlFbzpKwg== =mmcG -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto"
by alexlh＠yourchoice.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <34302d8d.8163438(a)newshost.cyberramp.net> you wrote: [lots of ranting deleted] : Banning guns because criminals might use them equates to banning : encryption because criminals might use it. And if you really believe : that both should be banned, then perhaps you should be banned from : using oxygen, because criminals breath it too. You people just don't get it do you? A gun has one purpose: To kill. Just like any other tool, a gun, if it is available _will_ be used at some point. So making sure there are lots of guns around only serves to make a lot of people very dead. This is a Bad Thing. Gun control laws are not the issue. It's a matter of mentality. In Europe, where we have rather strict guncontrol laws, and have had them for a long time a decent human being will not even think of shooting someone else. In the US, where guns are tradition and part of the American way, many people would not think twice before shooting someone. The result of this is that the number of people getting killed by guns is enourmous, be they criminals, little kids, old grannies, or presidents. This sucks. We are not trying to export our stupidity, we're just trying to explain to you how we live. We live in a place where we don't even have to think about getting a gun, because the chances of us encountering a gun in the hands of an adversary are negligible. Wake up and smell the coffee, dude. If you have lots of guns around, you're gonna end up with lots of people getting shot. Alex --- /// I dabble in techno-house and sometimes, /// I do that badass hip-hop thang... /// But the F U N K gets me every time!

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new in EFC's media archives - Mondex, crypto (fwd)
by Martin Janzen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Electronic Frontier Canada's David Jones (djones(a)insight.dcss.McMaster.CA) posted the following to the EFC mailing list: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- New in EFC's media archives: 1. Plastic treasure ... not so smart after all http://www.efc.ca/pages/media/guardian.24sep97.html This article reports that a team in the Netherlands made a "successful attack" on a Mondex chip (Hitachi H8/3101) by activating a test mode in which the chip dumps its contents to a serial port. John Beric, security manager for Mondex simply says "I have never SEEN a report saying they have broken Mondex". (Is this plausible deniability?? ;-) The article also makes mention of EFC getting hassled by the National Bank of New Zealand over a leaked memo. In the mean time, Mondex is trying to ramp up deployment of its new chip, the Hitachi H8/3109, which (for the first time apparently) implements public key crypto. 2. If cops can read E-mail, so can the bad guys http://www.efc.ca/pages/media/gazette.24sep97.html Some coverage of the "crypto" issue in the context of a major international privacy conference held in Montreal last week. EFC scored some coverage for its position statement on crypto: http://www.efc.ca/pages/crypto/policy.html including a quote in favour of strong crypto: "There is a far greater risk to individuals, businesses, and the government if we are unable to effectively prevent criminals from gaining unauthorized access to our records and communications." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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An e$Lab competitor?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now I know how the Wright Brothers felt when they found out about Langley and Bell... ;-). Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:37:44 -0700 From: jmuller(a)brobeck.com (John D. Muller) Subject: An e$Lab competitor? To: e$lab(a)vmeng.com Sender: <e$lab(a)vmeng.com> Precedence: Bulk List-Software: LetterRip 2.0.1 by Fog City Software, Inc. List-Subscribe: <mailto:requests@vmeng.com?subject=subscribe%20e$lab> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:requests@vmeng.com?subject=unsubscribe%20e$lab> From MecklerMedia's http:/www.internetnews.com E-Transaction Lab for Financial Firms Opens in NYC [October 1] New York City-based Transaction Information Systems (TIS), an integration and information technology consulting company, opened FLITE <http://www.flitelab.com>, an open software factory dedicated to building electronic commerce solutions for the financial industry. In addition to TIS, the founder of FLITE, there are approximately 20 member firms, including Digital Equipment Corp., ad agency Foote, Cone and Belding, IBM, Lotus Development Corp., Reuters, Sybase, and Visa. FLITE is physically located in the former home of the historic New York Lawyers' Club at 115 Broadway in downtown Manhattan. FLITE allows sales, marketing, and information technology executives to interact with a variety of online trading systems, 401(k) management products, three-dimensional visualizations of financial data, and other electronic commerce and interactive customer service solutions. "This one-of-a-kind software factory enables financial institutions to increase sales and market reach via the rapid deployment of their financial products through multiple distribution vehicles, including the Internet, kiosks, display cellular phones and TV sets," said Bob Gold, President of TIS. "In one place, they can experience and visualize more electronic commerce and customer service applications for the financial industry than anywhere else. FLITE's design process and electronic commerce tools allow us to roll out transactional Web sites in half the time and at half the cost of the industry average." FLITE is a working lab that financial institutions can use to produce innovative products. Marketing/sales executives use the facility to learn to think interactively and develop Internet strategies, build product prototypes rapidly and conduct focus groups. Technology staffs can use the facility for jointly developing interactive products with FLITE engineers, use FLITE's specialty rooms (user interface optimization, 3-D visualization and quality assurance testing), and get hands-on training and knowledge transfer. As a factory, FLITE has specialized machinery and tools for building transactional Web sites and delivering products through interactive distribution channels, TIS said. FLITE has a variety of hardware servers, workstations, laptops, kiosks, televisions, display phones, touchscreen monitors, and financial trading equipment. "FLITE combines the promise of new technology with the city's financial heritage," said Gold. "Unlike other companies who have put research and development facilities in the suburbs, TIS believes that its downtown location in the heart of Wall Street attracts the top talent in the industry and makes it accessible to financial industry executives." --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto"
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Alex Le Heux wrote: >You people just don't get it do you? A gun has one purpose: To >kill. Just like any other tool, a gun, if it is available _will_ be >used at some point. Although guns are obviously designed for killing things, this does not mean that they will be used. This can be seen from the statistics. There are far fewer murders than there are guns. Almost all of them are never used for killing someone. You are also not considering the case where one person has a gun and another does not. The situation is more stable if both people are armed. (And don't claim you are talking about disarming a whole society. You aren't, just part of it.) >So making sure there are lots of guns around only serves to make a >lot of people very dead. This is a Bad Thing. Depends who they are. Bet the Dutch resistance made good use of their weaponry, eh? >In the US, where guns are tradition and part of the American way, >many people would not think twice before shooting someone. This is simply untrue. TV and movies are not the best way to form an understanding of another country. >The result of this is that the number of people getting killed by >guns is enourmous, be they criminals, little kids, old grannies, or >presidents. I read recently that 9000 people a year die in the United States from food poisoning. This should be almost entirely preventable. Why isn't this a big political issue? Could it be that the people pushing gun control do not have entirely pure motives? Be aware that the gun control lobby has often used misleading statistics. For instance, you will hear a lot about "handgun deaths". It turns out that most of these are suicides. While undesirable, most people perceive a difference between somebody killing themselves and a nutcase doing his thing at a school. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDKPA5aWtjSmRH/5AQFgoAf7B3MxcsPsF1CHke4aaGHjERMCcmEt/4lk 9Z9l9qCD6zysodKlXX5W5qlpY6okE1LEFxMitb3royeBOqbxksj9t0b+/p0Py2Bl /lQYZ+Km6bsO/ooVMy5Ub+3W1XyqgYwoXPOoO7+6vOUMQijCmekm3Zquj8t5YY4M o8wq2p935GlXOu6efTxMSnRY5+r2SZDI4aWPIzHmXWqjMfUnIRVmmQ1WBQ2h1X2U 4BoTcKQAi7rEdC1UXI7kKtNO246lgyHj/P+G6H645iRdgFAyjFKmyLzM+6ai8Bpq oE5yWnpfq4nTQ7WhdNe8XmKFQY+sxD4xhFzcNkxR1+3yzShK9shSLg== =sHEL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto"
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Cynthia Brown wrote: >On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Alex Le Heux wrote: >> This sucks. > >I agree wholeheartedly. >IMNSHO the best way to fight crime is not with bigger guns than the >"bad guys", but with better social programs such as universal health >care, and improved day care so single parents can show their kids >what a productive lifestyle looks like. Of course you agree wholeheartedly, you are an exploiter. It is wrong. You should be ashamed of yourself. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDLA95aWtjSmRH/5AQFykwf+Nh/3MKqyK30Tc90Wj0MCvKLvyZYzkKiZ KV/H8+7Of5hPh0pUEZNDBxr7A3x02+0jhYwJymzYcHJuXAP0+RmXtWRyAWz9TFE3 AB23HgLODI2IrsD1NvlwbjHQzpLVqfT99QEYIaolZScilc5hw1uZV8dAK4SjXDnZ +K4QG3RZpAxpKZUSWduErtJ+8JAzavH4ybeR95hO2uY2na1ckmwWm39ERg+u+N4k rP2wd3E4IQ7XWbPCrHWEPoDs4PHMg09lK/Y+fv9ejE8+ehq/YeO1WYtZtlaCURtU CE7JXH4b60+NmDuISybaMWdv70IFOneukz64zasAT1wp9w4Mxqjw7Q== =VYI9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto"
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Alex Le Heux wrote: >Maybe you haven't noticed, but seen on 2000 year scales, the entire >world is constantly in a state of war. Europe isn't special in that >regard. I guess the conclusion, then, is that gun control is bad for the whole world, not just Europe. >And even if I had my AR15 then, it wouldn't help me a lot against >guided missiles and mortar fire. It's harder to police a hostile population which is well armed. >And anyway, "to defend yourself in a war" is not one of the usual >arguments against gun control. The popularity of an argument can be independent of its worth. "To defend yourself in general" is commonly used. War, oppressive government, and political turbulence are the most likely situations in which people need their weapons, even in the United States. >> You must be getting some good drugs over there to conjure up this >> fantasy land where everyone loves one another and would never think >> of killing someone because it sure as hell doesn't exist in Europe. > >Well, we're a lot closer to it over here than you guys are over >there. You mean like the former Yugoslavia? Or do you mean like the parts of Europe where people are not slaughtering each other at the moment? I have to confess that I am surprised at the level of resentment among the members of various Europeans countries feel towards other European countries. For example, the Germans don't like the Dutch because when they visit they are treated badly by, among others, the police. The Dutch don't like the Germans because, well, they got to know them a little too well in the 1940s and they are nursing the grudge. With that sort of situation, anything can happen and it can happen quickly, even if things seem mellow right now. And these little resentments and jealousies are felt between far more groups in Europe than just between the Dutchies and the Germans. Let's also take a look at the Dutch performance during their occupation. While there certainly were many courageous Dutch people who helped refugees (at great personal risk, to say the least), and there were many courageous Dutch people who were in the resistance, there were also many Dutch people who did not perform so well. Not only were a large number of Jewish people turned in by Dutch informers, but there were even Dutch SS units. I basically think well of the Netherlands and its people, but it is important to recognize that certain unpleasant characteristics exist in a large portion of the population of even a nice country. It is unlucky to pretend that these characteristics can never be expressed. Let's turn to the Western Hemisphere: El Salvador. During much of the 1980s, the U.S. government supported groups of people in El Salvador who were sending out death squads to murder their suspected opponents. The U.S. certainly acquiesced in this activity - of this there is no doubt. But, it is not unlikely the U.S. was more directly involved. (Only fifteen years earlier the U.S. was doing the same thing in Vietnam.) What would have happened if the citizens of El Salvador were adequately armed? One thing you wouldn't see is a death squad going into a neighborhood to kick down some innocent's door and murder him or his family. At least, you wouldn't see it twice. Likewise, when the communist guerrillas were forcing (maybe) the peasantry to support them, the peasants would have no need to cooperate unwillingly if they were well armed. People who are well armed are less likely to become pawns, victims, or slaves. That is desirable. Incidentally, the consistent support the U.S. government has shown for murderous or even genocidal governments is of great concern to those of us who live in the U.S. It is unlikely that these tactics won't be used here were there a serious political struggle and a disarmed population. An issue that might possibly blossom into such a political struggle is mass surveillance. While the mass media is, for the most part, giving everything the government's spin, and while large numbers of Congressmen and other denizens of Washington, D.C. think it's a good idea, the bulk of the population is not happy about this at all. They can read the writing on the wall. The potential for conflict between the political class, which has a long history of murder and even assassination, and the American people exists right now. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNDKo45aWtjSmRH/5AQG/KAf/ViGabpr8OnP2UYZ/CZAKQ4czRzVlx7Az Dcb0mqxnhNmQ7o5YJQlodbrmI3cEbXb0/YeTaX9r2pmxhtz06hekCTa28ZoycspB aCzoWLuZW1et9zNTYQzfDADLPPoLDizHG/zHPpWH97t/8NgQOXmQXS1qccNkylMl LghngUR+2YXlmB0omNLy1e6hQCzjkgUlxYE5T5Aimn0WpTmHk4yn9HwOdGXC2gvU idX5qlQUkwhxuEqOgN/p++tzv22Fi8W3RaIusrMzJV2dU3326IEwsJzFY3UI8xh2 M1bZCWTA6TlBBJoqbugt4gqvhAT0/yH6kJdLjDdYlKsEUVM3nfctfQ== =STNd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Request for illegal electronic surveillance examples and cases
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan writes: >So I'm putting together a special report featuring examples of illegal >wiretapping by governments -- to show why we shouldn't trust them with >mandatory domestic key escrow. Also illegal electronic surveillance, >generally speaking. Especially more recent ones. Maybe non-U.S. examples >too. > >Any suggestions? I'm thinking things like: MLKjr, Mrs. Roosevelt, _Irvine_, >_Socialist Workers Party_, Dewey-FBI alliance, mail opening, Emma Goldman, >Brownell's blanket microphone surveillance, _Katz_, _Alderman_, CISPES. I'd figure pretty much anything from Bamford's _The Puzzle Palace_ would work, but the stuff on Operation Shamrock (interception of cable traffic) might be of particular interest. Also the parts about "intelligence sharing" with the Brits and Australians -- just because the NSA can't tap it doesn't mean they can't get it from our "friends." No doubt the Men From Fort Meade have been as helpful in the other direction as well. A particularly nice detail about Shamrock is that the FBI was using the NSA to conduct warrantless electronic surveillance of "un-American" groups by using ELINT, which was -- of course -- "born classified." I'd cite details, but my Bamford seems to be MIA. Maybe the MIB came for it. . . Ratbert

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

How good will it be to have total conformity? What will be left of singularity? And personality? And you and me? CM

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17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Remailers and ecash (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:27:10 -0400 > From: ghio(a)temp0122.myriad.ml.org (Matthew Ghio) > Subject: Re: Remailers and ecash (fwd) > Jim Choate wrote: > > > What besides raising hell anonymously, laundering money, and defeating > > merchant purchase traffic analysis are commercial anonymous remailers good > > for? > > So what are remailers being used for? We are talking commercial remailers here right? <see the quote you used above>. As famous as you are, you don't get to change the rules in the middle of the game. > 1) Private communication in the form of anonymous message pools You don't need anonymous remailers for this since simple crypto will provide just as good private communications security than anonymous remailers will because there is no central choke point where traffic analysis occurs . Now if one of the parties is actualy under surveillance then the anonymous remailers won't help because they will be tapping at the source, if anything it would provide further evidence of the parties complicity in a conspiracy. If you want your communications to stay private (if I understand your use of the word) use encryption and use underground remailers which isn't open to commercial exploitation, or else simply purchase a different account on your current ISP. > 2) Test posts Irrelevant, people don't pay for test posts enough to keep a commercial remailer in business - unless we vastly increase the total traffic level by quite a few orders of magnitude. > 3) Discussion of Macintosh computers irrelevant, people won't pay for this either. > 4) Discussion of obscure religions irrelevant (and I'm a Pantheist, they don't get more obscure than that) since people ain't gonna pay for this unless they are persecuted in their country of residence. If so the easiest thing to do would be to outlaw anonymous remailers (with the same logic they use to oppress the religion). [see #6 for more details on this] > 5) Sharing erotic fantasy stories And you suspect they will actualy pay for this? This line of reasoning I would love to hear more on... > 6) Avoiding censorship in Singapore Let's look at this a moment. I believe we can take as a given that Singapore is a oppressive regime. Furthermore all traffic in Singapore goes through government operated and regulated POP's. In that environment you really want to send traffic to an anonymous remailer? Can you say 'man-in-the-middle', and not only that but all the outgoing traffic from Singapore won't be through an anonymous remailers making it trivial for Singapore officials to determine exactly who to go hassle. So it is clear that the only parties discussing Singapore safely will be outside Singapore which makes the supposition that Singapore is going to come after you a bit suspect. You're talking about a country that outlaws private satellite dishes - get real. Furthermore commercial enterprises are open to much closer scrutiny in areas like Singapore making it even harder to stay in business unless the operator happens to be a government stooly, hardly the stuff of security. My thesis would be that any remailer (commercial or not) in a country with an oppresive regime is the last place you want to consider secure. > 7) Avoiding censorship in Iran See #6. Applies to China, Korea, Iraq, etc. > 8) Discussion of remailers themselves I would also like to see your explanation of exactly why they would pay for this. > 9) Discussion of controvertial political topics (racism, guns, drugs) The only reason that anonymous remailers are useful here is that the originating party doesn't want to deal with the results of being known. The flip side to this is that the reputation of anonymous discussions in these sorts of areas would have little political impact. A person who won't discuss such issues under their own name certainly won't go out and become actively involved in some political movement. Now if your claim is that such activity might hold some weight with an elected official I would appreciate an explanation as well - especialy considering that the anonymity provides just enough 'cover' so that the politician can safely ignore any and all traffic made through this mechanism, "They aren't one of my constituents." If you have some reasoning outside this please share it. > 10) Discussion about a TV show Irrelevant because people won't pay for this. Free remailers are useful for all sorts of mental masturbation, for actual business there doesn't seem to be a lot of uses. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Remailers and ecash
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/1/97 5:03 AM, Robert A. Costner (pooh(a)efga.org) passed this wisdom: >At 09:59 AM 10/1/97 +0200, Anonymous (Monty Cantsin) wrote: >>It is my understanding that serious naval vessels like aircraft >>carriers use constant bandwidth channels to defeat traffic analysis. >>That is, to every place they might wish to communicate, they >>continuously broadcast encrypted information. Most of the time the >>channel is empty, of course, but nobody outside can tell when. >> >>If we had a remailer network in which each customer had a constant >>bandwidth connection to one or more remailers, you could have zero >>latency mail. > >Let me get this straight. You are suggesting that anyone who wishes to be >anonymous should send a continuous 24 hour stream of low bandwidth data to >a central point in an effort to help keep anyone from knowing that they >wish to be anonymous. > >While this may help correct the latency problem, how do you think this will >effect anonymity? Do you think that by sending a continuos stream of data >to the remailer, the sender will be less identifiable? No, but I see that someone with a fulltime connection or even a fulltime machine with an hourly or half hourly dialup would setup a program to send randomly generated "Null:" messages to the randomly selected remailers so that when he does have something to send that is meaningful it will not change the apparent flow ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNDLjFMdZgC62U/gIEQI1wgCg22mCFVbWn77DwG1CUlIRJah7oooAnic0 e0J0D1IOLP85CNvadBh9cBVA =5UGm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Brian B. Riley --> http://www.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "First say to your self what you would be; then do what you have to do." Epictetus (35-135 A.D.)

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto" (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:16:22 +0100 > From: alexlh(a)yourchoice.nl (Alex Le Heux) > Subject: Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto" > You people just don't get it do you? A gun has one purpose: To kill. Just like > any other tool, a gun, if it is available _will_ be used at some point. Actualy I have never killed anything with my current .22, but a lot of tin cans and paper targets have been holed. And, no, I would NEVER consider a .22 anything close to a self-defence weapon since even a head shot doesn't guarantee anything other than pissing the target off. I might use it as a club but it is not nearly that stout, I'd go for my shovel or hoe or maybe my nunchakus (assuming they didn't have a gun -which most burglars and such don't have). > So making sure there are lots of guns around only serves to make a lot of > people very dead. This is a Bad Thing. Actualy it cuts down on crime because the criminal is afraid they might get shot. A perfect example of this is Florida or Texas where the vast majority of people have guns. If you catch a burglar in your house or car do they run? No. Why? In the vast majority of cases the perp states that they were afraid of being shot - in effect saving both lives. I can say this, I would never consider staying in a place for very long that prevented me from owning a gun legaly. Well, actualy there is one way, guarantee that I get my own personal police officer to go around with me (and they should be armed). Here in Texas we have a law that permits the owner of property to kill without warning any party stealing their property after dark. It's amazing that the vast majority of burglaries and such happen during the day. It's further interesting that in both Texas and Florida after legalizing handguns the number of robberies and such went down, as well as the number of violent crimes using guns. The only thing that went up was domestic violence where one spouse killed another in a fit of rage. Had the gun not been there they would have gone back to knives and frying pans which used to be the weapon of choice. Are you proposing that we outlaw knives and frying pans as well? > Gun control laws are not the issue. It's a matter of mentality. In Europe, > where we have rather strict guncontrol laws, and have had them for a long > time a decent human being will not even think of shooting someone else. Not mentality, maturity. I am shure they think about it all the time, they just can't find an underground gun dealer. Yeah, they not only blow up the individual target but a couple of dozen other bystanders in the process. If it's so damn safe how come the cops over there all carry machine pistols and such. Something you never see here in the states even during a bank robbery. > In the > US, where guns are tradition and part of the American way, many people would > not think twice before shooting someone. The result of this is that the > number of people getting killed by guns is enourmous, be they criminals, > little kids, old grannies, or presidents. First, not that many little kids are killed by guns. Most die many other ways much more horrible. Two presidents and if Illinois is any show the Grandma's can take care of themselves. Secondly, in this country more people are killed each year by hands, feet, and clubs than guns. Thirdly, the vast majority of gun owners would no more shoot somebody without thinking than they would run over them in their car. Beside, it takes a moment of reflection to get the sites lined up. > We are not trying to export our stupidity, we're just trying to explain to > you how we live. We live in a place where we don't even have to think about > getting a gun, because the chances of us encountering a gun in the hands > of an adversary are negligible. You have accepted your over-bearing invasive jackbooted police with a equinimaty that would never occur here - we'd shoot the SOB's. Sounds like when it comes to sheeple the US has a long way to go when compared to Europe. > Wake up and smell the coffee, dude. If you have lots of guns around, you're > gonna end up with lots of people getting shot. And if some of those aren't shot we'd have a lot of people running around with other peoples property against their will. Shooting a person is in and of itself not bad, if you believe it is then I take it you support disarming the police and military as well. Do you support capital punishment? Apparently it's you and your ilk that haven't gotten the clue: It isn't that a gun was used but under what circumstances. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Remailers and ecash (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Remailers and ecash > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 19:56:26 -0400 > From: "Brian B. Riley" <brianbr(a)together.net> > No, but I see that someone with a fulltime connection or even a > fulltime machine with an hourly or half hourly dialup would setup a > program to send randomly generated "Null:" messages to the randomly > selected remailers so that when he does have something to send that is > meaningful it will not change the apparent flow ... And why does this by any security when it's the header info and contents that Mallet looks at, not the frequency. The only thing such approaches do is impliment security by obscurity, and that ain't security. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto" (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:20:11 -0400 (EDT) > From: Cynthia Brown <cynthb(a)sonetis.com> > Subject: Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto" > I agree wholeheartedly. Uncontrolled guns do not solve problems, they > create them. If most households have at least one firearm, it makes it > that much easier for a criminal to obtain one by stealing yours while you > are at work. Most households in the US do have firearms, most criminals don't steal guns they buy them from the underground. If they do steal them they sell them pretty quickly afterward. Very few gun crimes in the US are committed with stolen guns, or guns stolen by the possessor at the time of the shooting. > Canada may be regulated to death according to most libertarians, but I for > one like it that way. I can walk alone and unarmed at night in Ottawa, > Toronto, etc. without fearing for my life. Can a female resident of > Washington or New York say the same? Our schools do not have metal detectors > at the entrances because they are not needed. Bullshit, they have muggings and such there just like everywhere else. Are you seriously claiming that sort of stuff doesn't happen? The schools here in Austin don't either. Most schools in the US don't have this sort of stuff. > IMNSHO the best way to fight crime is not with bigger guns than the "bad > guys", but with better social programs such as universal health care, and > improved day care so single parents can show their kids what a productive > lifestyle looks like. This takes longer than blowing the brains out of some > teenager that feels his only path to a better life is through crime, and it > doesn't give the same adrenalin rush. However, it works at the source of > crime, and not the consequences. The way to fight crime is to stop putting 1st time offenders, drug offenses, non-violent crimes, etc. in jails AND to make consensual crimes non-crimes like they ethicaly should be. We have over a million people in jail in the US, more than any other country, the vast majority of whom shouldn't be in jail because what they did shouldn't be a crime. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:42:39 +0200 (MET DST) > From: nobody(a)REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) > Subject: Re: "Show me an example of terrorists using the Internet or crypto" > You are also not considering the case where one person has a gun and > another does not. The situation is more stable if both people are > armed. (And don't claim you are talking about disarming a whole > society. You aren't, just part of it.) Why is the situation more stable if both parties are armed? If I were confronted by a armed burglar and we were facing off I would pull the trigger as soon as I got a lock. If their gun wasn't in a ready position I would warn them and if they so much as flinched I'd drop them. If they were unarmed I might beat them senseless with the gun but I would not shoot them unless they made a motion to rush me, then I would go for a non-lethal shot unless the distance was less than a dozen feet (rushing distance) or so in which case I prefer head shots followed by center-torso (heart) shots. I'd also train to fire 3 shot groups. The one exception would be center-torso shots if they were wearing heavy or bulky clothing that might hide a vest. In that situation (assuming it wasn't a rush) I would shoot for the inside of the thigh at the hip-joint. Hit that artery and your dead without immediate medical attention (which I am not likely to give after just shooting the SOB). If it was a rush situation I would dump the clip into their chest moving upward, hoping the KE would slow them down enough to get a clear head shot (this would be what I practiced the most as well). No, despite your claim the most stable situation is to not have the invasion in the first place, followed by the victim being the only one armed. Anything else is a gun-battle waiting for a twitch. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: None (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: None > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Wed, 01 Oct 97 16:15:50 EDT > > Those who are newcomers to the list should know that Vulis has never > > presented any evidence substantiating his vague claims that Stronghold > > is insecure or has backdoors (or whatever the claims were). Vulis is > > conducting a personal vendetta against one of C2Net's staff members and > > anyone who happened to be or become associated with him. > > Nor do I have to present any evidence. I'm not the one selling StrongHold. Exactly, StrongHold is the one making the claims of security, it behooves them to address any and all criticisms of their product. > I have received several threatening communications from C2Net's lawyers, > which were discussed at length on this list. To avoid unpleasant disputes > I agreed not to disseminate my opinions about StrongHold. > Please keep this in mind if you consider buying it. Which is sufficient reason not to use the StrongHold product or anything else put out by them. Any company which desires to suppress opinions or discussion over their product clearly has something to hide. This is what I tell my customers and they seem to understand the utility of such an approach. Never support strong-arm tactics, honest people don't need them. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Traffic Analysis and Cover Traffic (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 09:33:13 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Traffic Analysis and Cover Traffic > As I understand your example above, the sender becomes less identifiable > because he can always be counted on to send some packets; an attacker > cannot see a message after a long period of no messages and correlate it to > a similar sudden increase of activity at a possible recipient machine. > > Traffic analysis is something you should look at. And think about. This holds if it is a one-time occurance. If Mallet is looking at the traffic over a very long time it is completely reasonable to expect some correlation to become clear. To address the example another presented about some book example of burst analysis. Look at real-world examples such as the underground in France in WWII. They would generate a single message on a known frequency at a specific time. Thus interested parties could dial-in and get the info but would not provide the Nazi's with sufficient traffic or time to get a bearing. The revolutionaries in the book are amateurs and deserve what they get since it is clear they are incompentent and by extension not fit to run a country. Anyone with a clue will use times single instance transmissions and if available burst or SS transmitters to reduce the transmission time even more. With current technology like full-time satellite surveillance and transmitter characteristic analysis anything more than a single burst transmission with the radio from a random location will provide sufficient traffic to get a fix. You should also throw the transmitter away or change the drivers in the finals after each use as characteristic analysis will provide Mallet with the means to track the transmitter and thereby apply traffic analysis (just like they use in some cell systems). ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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