December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: spam on this list (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:25:51 -0400 > From: "Philip A. Mongelluzzo" <phimon(a)ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: spam on this list > I support the constitution. In the case of the first ammendment: The > freedom it allows you, or whoever, to send spam and indulge in child > pornography is the same freedom provided to those who say those ideas are > wrong. Got it? But it isn't the same as you present it. I will explain below. > How do we deal with child pornography and free speech in such a way as to > allow both to exist and insure our children are not exposed to pornographic > material until they are at a maturity level where they can deal with it? Let's look at this carefuly for a moment. Child pornography in and of itself is irrelevant. The issue is sexual acts involving one or more children by adults which are committed with (or without) the specific intent of creating some physical record for personal use or to pass to others (with or without profit). Now let's contrast this with a simple pencil drawing of a child and an adult having sex (eg. Greek pottery). The question is are these two acts, one involving a real physical act involving a minor, and the other as a physical expression of the artists imagination equivalent? Some would have you believe they are the same. Unfortunately, I have yet to see a clear explanation of the view. Now the other side is that they are different. This belief rests on at least two basic tenents. The first being that it is the physical act that constitutes the crime and not simply thinking about it. The second is that there is a fundamental difference of quality between an item and its representation in some symbology. From this it becomes clear that the issue is how do we reduce the initial sexual contact. If THAT can be resolved the other problems resolve themselves. Now, let's assume for a moment that we have in fact resolved this issue. Should we then regulate representations of these acts by persons when it is assumed no actual child was involved? The representation is nothing more than the ramblings of an expressive mind. So are we not making certain thought illegal? This certainly contrasts with the belief that a crime requires an act. That doesn't sound very rational to me. And what about if I don't draw it but rather write a story? Or perhaps use my image editor to take children bathing suite adds and medical sources to fill it out, why should this be any different than a written description? Or perhaps that image on the Greek pot? No, these sort of line drawing was meant to be prohibited by the Constitution. The founding fathers must have known the world was a gray sort of place so they took special precautions (ie 10 Amendments) to make nice and clear boundaries for the federal government (ie 1'st Amendment). It is clear that they expressely did not want the government involved in human expression. > If pornography is the enemy of crypto then that is enemy that must be fought. This is a straw man. There is no crypto involved in the physical act. Nice strawman argument though, got almost the whole damn world swallowing at this point.... > A battle that must be won without killing the enemy to insure continued > free speech. Quite a challenge I think. Only if you are confused about exactly what the issue at hand is. We need diagnostic proceedures usable by regular physicians and the issue really needs to be handled as a medical and not a legal issue. Putting people in jail won't effect this sort of human behaviour one damn bit. By the time the guy gets to jail some poor kid has been really abused, is that how you want your kid dealt with? ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: A better DES challenge
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:15 PM 6/23/97 -0700, Mike Duvos wrote: >Really. It appears that the DESCHALL frivolities actually >enhanced the reputation of DES, fluffy press releases by C2 and >Security Dynamics notwithstanding. Which is why I opposed a distributed crack ever since the crack was first proposed. But once the crack got underway, the only thing to do was to participate and hope it wouldn't take all that long. Stressing the individual that found the key over the group effort was the best thing that could be done in an already bad situation. Spin control is a fact of life. Now on to breaking 56 bit RC5 (a waste of time, but until that's out of the way there will be no sufficient support to break 64 bit RC5). I am encouraging corporate sponsorships for breaking RC5-64. If we can get $100,000 together (should be easy), people will find cycles you didn't even know existed. :-) --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/

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digital signature software
by chewp＠pacific.net.sg 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Besides PGP and RIPEM/SIG, is anyone aware of other US-exportable digital signature software? Thanks Lip Ping chewp(a)pacific.net.sg

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Who is going to HIP'97?
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Who on this list intends to go to HIP'97? http://www.hip97.nl I would like to organize a C*punks meeting there. Thanks, --Lucky --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. DES is dead! Please join in breaking RC5-56. http://rc5.distributed.net/

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Re: The Global Fix is In
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Maybe I should have said lobbyist group masquerading as 'thinktank' Like the American Security Council. AND: grassroots is totally different - I agree that they would be a voice in the wilderness - and very ineffectual How can you put them in the same category, "conservative thinktanks and grassroots groups" as if they are even in the same universe? Can any grassroots org. demonstrate the same track record in pushing legislation to go their way as can the corporate-funded PAC/thinktanks? Go back and look at the PAC list for McCain, and tell me how many that he is aligned with are leading the opposition to administration proposals? And then tell me that the thinktanks and the PACs are independent and unrelated. I don't think so. The thinktanks are used by the PACs and funded by them, indirectly at least. By the way, what does Rand Corp. have to say? At 10:16 PM 6/22/97 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >Without taking a position on the rest of the following post, I should say >that it's the conservative thinktanks and grassroots groups that are >leading the opposition to all administration proposals and are taking a >crypto-absolutist stance. > >-Declan > >Sure, libertarian groups are just as good or better, but there are fewer >of them. (Cato -still- hasn't come out with their crypto policy analysis >even after they've been working on it for half a year. At least their >privacy paper should be coming out soon. And CEI doesn't have the staff to >devote someone to this issue.) They've done a few conferences and such, >but they're limited by numbers. > > > >On Sun, 22 Jun 1997 geeman(a)best.com wrote: > >> massive investments being made by Industry in the conservative thinktanks >> who produce the >> intellectual fodder-de-jour that supports the position of this elite, and >> overwhelm the >> likes of McCain and Kerrey with >> impossible-for-the-legislature-to-understand managed > > >

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ZDU Summer Registration is Now Open!
by announce＠lists.zdnet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: A better DES challenge
by Tom Weinstein 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lucky Green wrote: > > At 06:15 PM 6/23/97 -0700, Mike Duvos wrote: >> Really. It appears that the DESCHALL frivolities actually >> enhanced the reputation of DES, fluffy press releases by C2 and >> Security Dynamics notwithstanding. > > Which is why I opposed a distributed crack ever since the crack was > first proposed. But once the crack got underway, the only thing to do > was to participate and hope it wouldn't take all that long. Stressing > the individual that found the key over the group effort was the best > thing that could be done in an already bad situation. Spin control is > a fact of life. IMHO, it would have been better to emphasize the group effort, and that they could continue to crack keys at a rate of one every 30 days even if the computing base didn't continue to grow. Not to mention that they could also be cracking 40-bit keys at a rate of about 2000 a day. -- What is appropriate for the master is not appropriate| Tom Weinstein for the novice. You must understand Tao before | tomw(a)netscape.com transcending structure. -- The Tao of Programming |

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17 Dec '03

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Re: New PGP signatures (fwd)
by Mark Grant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, William H. Geiger III wrote: > You really need to modify your mail-processing code as you are going to > see more and more of these. You should also start work on implementing the > PGP/MIME RFC as you will be seeing more of these messages. It's kind of hard to modify the code when I'm still waiting for the PGP 5.0 code to be made available. I can't do a lot until people finish OCR-ing it. > Nothing personal but your code should not "break" on any data that is sent > to it. PGP 2.6.x doen't have a problem with these signatures it just > returns a error code and goes on it's way. Precisely; it returns an error and drops out. It *does not* output the signed message to stdout as it would do if it were an RSA-signed message, so it just looks like an empty message. At the moment I have better things to do, but I guess if people are going to use non-standard message formats they don't want us to read what they write anyway. Mark

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Re: How did these people find our list? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 04:05:42 +0000 (GMT) > From: jonathon <grafolog(a)netcom.com> > Subject: Re: How did these people find our list? > The State of Oregon << The only state to have been bombed by > a foreign country. >> during World War Two. Brrrrppppp. Thank you for playing. Your consolation prize is a big whoopie cushion. Alaska was not only bombed by a foreign country (ie Japan) but it was the only continental US location to actualy be invaded. Do a search on Kiska and Dutch Harbor on Yahoo.... Hawaii was also bombed and last time I checked it was part of the US, the same goes for Wake Is., Midway Is., and Phillipines. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Comparing Cryptographic Key Sizes
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Trei <trei(a)process.com> writes: > Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes. > > 56 bit DES is probably roughly similar to 512 bit RSA in hardness to > > break. > > This is way off. We used ~457,000 MIPS years to search half of the > DES keyspace. Factoring a 512 bit modulus using the General Number > Field Sieve (GNFS) would take about 28,000 MIPS years (see Schneier > for the exact number - I don't have AC2 at hand) > > Lenstra has estimated that with 500,000 MIPS years, you should be > able to factor a 600 bit modulus using GNFS, if your workstations > had enough memory. Ah yes. Well I did read your post on coderpunks where you described the results of asking Lenstra and looking for ideas for what to break next, how hard 512 bits was etc. So... 28,000 MIPs years you say... but that neglects memory. Lenstra's conclusion was that even 512 bits couldn't be done, from your post. So by that measure it is harder (due to memory overhead) than DES even though theoretically taking less MIPS with 64 mb workstations. Also he was unsure about the availability of a large enough supercomputer to reduce the final matrix. So any suggestetions of how to summarise the "hardness" of a problem when it includes memory and cpu costs in as simple terms as possible. (Bearing in mind the reader in most cases hasn't grasped the difference between public key crypto and symmetric key, and is comparing 1024 bit keys to 56 bit keys and probably thinks that it is 1024/56 times harder.) > > About 10 years ago now Michael Wiener made a design for such a DES > > breaking machine. He estimated it would cost $10,000,000 to build a > > machine which would break a 56 bit DES encrypted message a few hours. > > His machine was scalable, pay more money, break the key faster, pay > > less take longer. The estimate was that could build one with enough > > DES key searching units to break it in a day for $1,000,000. That was > > 10 years ago. 10 years is a long time in the computer industry. > > Nowadays you build the machine more cheaply as chip technology has > > progressed, and computers are much faster per $. Estimates are around > > $100,000 to build the machine (neglecting hardware engineers > > consultancy fees). > > Go back and check the numbers - if you don't the journalists will. > (I don't have this paper to hand either :-( ) The Wiener paper is > much more recent (93?) , and the cost much lower (I think it was > about $1M for HW and $500K for development costs, for a 3.5 hour > machine). I think I have his paper as a postscript file, will look. But what do you think of the extrapolation to todays prices? $100k? (Ignoring consultancy fees). Thanks for the criticisms, more please on readability and understandability to neophytes! Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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by TruthMailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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[ PGP 2.6.3 ]
by bull＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can someone give me a site where I can get a compiled copy of PGP 2.6.3?

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Re: spook pressure on crypto exports
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ian Grigg <iang(a)systemics.com> writes: > Bill said: > > ... and have been trying to work on the Irish...) > > and Adam said: > > Ireland is new to me. What's their problem? > > Ditto! I'd like to know because ... > > > Who's exporting things to attract spook export attention over there? > > Systemics is an Irish company, and so is Baltimore, and we both > are 'exporters' depending on one's viewpoint. So's SSE (subsidiary of Siemens-Nixdorf). But that's mostly/all defense stuff, so they're presumably in thick with the military intelligence, and export permission would be a snip for them. > I don't know about Baltimore, but there is not a lot of pressure > they can put on Systemics, as the majority of the Cryptix effort is > now handed over to non-Systemics people. That's the beauty of > freeware. Ireland allows intangible export, no permission required, same as UK. They do say they would like a list of customers after the fact, but that's just would like, not you are required to give or else. (Clearly it would be a bit difficult to list the customers off your open access web page). For tangible exports you need permission, much as in the UK. I get the impression that the `open for business' attitude (love that 10% corporate tax break, is systemics getting this?) would mean you'd get an easier time than in the UK. They promise fast efficient turn around on export applications. (Unlike NZ MFAT, reread Peter Gutmann's story of down under intrigue on http://jya.com/nsazeal.htm amazing, nearly bankrupted the company!) > In contrast, I have been told that Ireland represents a prime place > for this sort of stuff, as there are no restrictions whatever. I think it's better than say UK. But clearly not `no restrictions' at least for tangible exports re above comments. I don't know how this works out in practice, what they give tangible export permission to, etc. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Netscape, 128-bit export
by Ariel Glenn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

from their web site, at http://www.netscape.com/flash2/newsref/pr/newsrelease428.html --- MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (June 24, 1997) -- Netscape Communications Corporation (NASDAQ: NSCP) today announced the United States Department of Commerce has granted the company permission to export Netscape Communicator client software with 128-bit encryption capabilities. Available for immediate download from the Netscape Internet site, Netscape Communicator with strong encryption would allow users worldwide to enjoy far greater protection for their information when communicating with certified, strong encryption applications on Intranets and the Internet. Netscape also received approval to export Netscape SuiteSpot server software featuring 128-bit encryption capabilities to certified banks worldwide. VeriSign will be providing a special-use digital certificate which enables the encryption. This will allow Netscape Communicator users to access their banking information from almost anywhere in the world and communicate using strong encryption with those banks which have implemented Netscape SuiteSpot servers and completed the certification process. --- some pr crap deleted --- International users who have Netscape Communicator do not need to download a new version of Netscape Communicator to take advantage of the strong encryption capabilities being announced today. Negotiation of the strong encryption between international versions of Netscape Communicator and Netscape SuiteSpot servers approved for export to banks occurs through a unique mechanism based on a special-use digital certificate. etc... ----- So... is this new approval for export of 128-bit encryption only for encryption between the users and these banks, or is it general? If it's general, is GAK built in or not? And if not, how did they get approval? Ariel Glenn / AcIS R&D / Columbia University ariel(a)columbia.edu #include <stddisclaimer.h>

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Political Prisoner of Intel
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.rahul.net/jeffrey/ovs -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ enoch(a)zipcon.com $ via Finger $

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CNN - Encryption bill expected to pass House - June 23, 1997
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9706/23/encryption.reut/index.html Encryption bill expected to pass House June 23, 1997 Web posted at: 10:05 p.m. EDT (0205 GMT) WASHINGTON (Reuter) -- Legislation to relax U.S. export limits on computer-encoding technology is likely to move ahead in the House of Representatives this week, despite a severe setback in the Senate last week. The House International Relations' economic policy and trade subcommittee will vote on a bill Tuesday, chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Republican of Florida, said. Current U.S. law strictly limits export of encryption software, which scrambles information and renders it unreadable without a password or software "key." Once the realm of spies and generals, encryption has become a critical technology to safeguard electronic commerce and global communications over the Internet. In the Senate last week, a similar bill to relax encryption-export controls was torpedoed when the Senate Commerce Committee approved a substitute which would only modestly ease export restrictions. It effectively would allow the government to crack encrypted messages in the United States by gaining access to the software keys. The Clinton administration has been a strong proponent of so-called key-recovery mechanisms, arguing that the proliferation of strong encryption without key recovery would hamper law-enforcement and national security agencies' ability to keep tabs on criminals and terrorists. The House bill under consideration relaxes export rules without requiring key recovery. With 125 co-sponsors in the House, and "enthusiastic support" from industry and civil liberties and privacy advocates, the bill "is expected to be passed with limited changes," Ros-Lehtinen added. The bill could face a tougher challenge when considered by the full International Relations Committee. Chairman Benjamin Gilman, Republican of New York, is not a strong supporter of export liberalization, congressional staffers said. U.S. software companies such as Netscape Communications, and Microsoft Corp. have been clamoring for relief from encryption export controls. Copyright 1997 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved.

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Re: Comparing Cryptographic Key Sizes
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks, Adam, for sending this along. As it turns out, I'm working on an article about encryption and privacy that will appear in Time Magazine next month. Yesterday I photocopied a few pages of Applied Crypto and printed out the (I believe) February 1996 paper on recommended key lengths and passed them around the office. Your summary is even more handy. -Declan ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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Re: Hettinga's e$yllogism
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>1. Government has copy of keys >2. Government misuses keys. > >Simple enough for you? Too simple. Escrow for ecash isn't to allow forging cash, or stealing it. It allows tracing it. If you tell financial experts that making ecash traceable under court order is goint to make electronic commerce impossible, they'll laugh. They already use systems which are even less private than that. Anon

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Re: Hettinga's e$yllogism
by winsock＠rigel.cyberpass.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>1. Government has copy of keys >2. Government misuses keys. > >Simple enough for you? Too simple. Escrow for ecash isn't to allow forging cash, or stealing it. It allows tracing it. If you tell financial experts that making ecash traceable under court order is goint to make electronic commerce impossible, they'll laugh. They already use systems which are even less private than that. Anon

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Comparing Cryptographic Key Sizes II
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I got quite a few useful comments on the key comparison summary I posted earlier. Even some people said they found it useful. Mark Grant improved the readability, plus other suggestions. Peter Trei urged me to actually re-read the Wiener paper to quote the figures correctly rather than from memory. Also Peter raised issues to do with how to compare hardness to break DES against 512 bit RSA. There is now an aside more technical note explaining the issues. I think I stand by my original comparison of "roughly equal", because depending on how you view it, it'll come out 10x cheaper, or 10x harder. (Memory being one hurdle each participating workstation needing of the order of 128 Mb; the other hurdle being the existance of a machine large enough to reduce the matrix which results from all the relations). I don't think we can explain it any more technically and expect it to be useful to a journalist. We need a gross generalisation: is it approx as hard, is it 100x harder. They don't want to hear about space complexity, the matrix reduction phase (RSA) nor known plaintext memory trade offs (DES). If we don't supply the gross generalisation, they will do it themselves to make it palatable for their readers. With less understanding of the subject, their generalisation is likely to be even wildly inaccurate than the generous error bars on ours. This is not an insult to journalists. Crypto is a technical, complicated field. I wouldn't contemplate making estimates in other peoples fields. Further discussion of course still sought (rip it apart pessimists on crypto estimates). Here's the new improved version. Adam -- Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc` ====================================================================== Comparing Cryptographic Key Sizes There are two types of cryptographic keys; public keys -- sometimes called asymmetric key -- and symmetric keys. RSA and Diffie-Hellman are common public key algorithms and RC4, DES and IDEA common symmetric key algorithms. You cannot directly compare public key lengths (for example RSA keys) with symmetric key lengths (DES, RC4); this is an important point which confuses many people. For example, 40 bit RC4 (a symmetric key cipher) can be broken in a few hours with a few hundred workstations but 40 bit RSA (a public key cipher) can be broken in a fraction of a second on one PC. A 350 bit RSA key is roughly equivalent in strength to 40 bit RC4, and 512 bit RSA key is thought to cost roughly the same to break as a 56 bit DES key. (That last comparison (DES vs 512 bit RSA) glosses over many issues. Here's a summary if you're interested: no one's broken a 512 RSA bit key yet, and you need lots of memory to break RSA at that key size, a PC with 128 Mb would be required to participate. In contrast, you need hardly any memory to break DES, any PC will do. The internet based breaking of a DES key in answer to RSA DSI's challenge involved many participants, and included some participants with low end 486 PCs with 1Mb of memory. Theoretically 512 bit RSA could be broken more quickly than DES, but, as you need more memory than typical workstations have, a distributed internet attack with the same group of participants as for the DES break would clearly take longer. There are a number of other factors also.) Symmetric keys sizes are easy to understand; for any particular algorithm, adding one bit to the key length doubles the difficulty. Estimating the difficulty of breaking a public key (say RSA) is harder because the increase in strength is not straightforward, but typically adding ten bits to the size of an RSA key doubles the strength. This is why public key systems require longer keys to provide the same security. Most systems use a mixture of public and symmetric key ciphers, because public key ciphers are _slow_ but dramatically simplify key management. Symmetric key ciphers are fast, so they are used in conjunction with public key systems to speed up the combined system. Such a system using two ciphers -- one public key and one symmetric key -- is only as strong as the weakest link. For example, consider the export version of SSL, as shipped in the export version of Netscape browsers and servers; it uses 512 bit RSA, and 40 bit RC4. Cracking 40 bit RC4 is easier than cracking 512 bit RSA, so export SSL can be broken by breaking the 40 bit RC4 component. Ian Goldberg recently broke a 40 bit RC5 key himself with Berkeley univ machines in 3.5 hours. 40 bit RC4 could be broken in a similar time. 512 bits RSA is not enough either, and you can rest assured that the NSA, other governments' secret services, and any corporation or organised crime group with sufficient funds can break it. 512 bits is likely within reach of a distributed internet effort, or soon will be. There is a further problem. Each session uses a different, randomly chosen, RC4 key, so breaking one RC4 key only allows you to read a single message. However, every message is encrypted with the _same_ 512 bit RSA key, so if you can break that key you can immediately read any message sent to or from the server. As a consequence, the public key size should be chosen to be much harder to break than the symmetric key. In this case although the key is thousands of times harder to break it would be worth attacking if the server is processing thousands or millions of transactions. 56 bit DES is harder to break than 40 bit RC4 (SSL); you would expect that the extra sixteen bits would increase the difficulty 65536 times, but DES is faster than RC4. In software it's about 5 times faster, so breaking DES in software is about 10000 times harder than breaking 40 bit RC4 (as used in export SSL). But if the Russian Mafia or a corporation involved in industrial espionage wanted to break 56 bit DES they would not use software but would build a special purpose piece of hardware which was designed only to break DES. DES was designed to be fast in hardware, and is a relatively slow cipher in software. In 1993 Michael Wiener designed such a DES breaking machine. His estimated cost for a machine capable of breaking 56 bit DES in a 3.5 hours hours was $1,000,000. The machine was scalable, so that by spending more or less money you could reduce or increase the time taken to break the key. He estimated that building a machine to break DES in 21 minutes would cost $10,000,000. That was 10 years ago; 10 years is a long time in the computer industry. Today the machine would be much cheaper because chip technology has progressed and computers are much faster per $. Estimates are around $20,000 to build a machine to break a DES key within a day (neglecting hardware engineers consultancy fees). When you consider the sorts of uses DES is being used for by banks, ATM card PINs, wire transfers, interbank exchanges, DES is clearly out-of-date. Everyone expects that NSA, GCHQ, SCSSI have built one or more machines for $20,000+; this is considered obvious because the NSA and SCSSI allow export of 56 bit DES. $20,000 is not much money for a secret service, or for many less scrupulous individuals. Algorithms using 40 bit keys are insecure against all but trivial cracking attempts. Systems using DES (such as SET) are only secure against organisations who can't raise $20,000 and can't find people who know lots about crypto and hardware design; $20,000 is not much money for the Rusian Mafia either. Even worse, once you have built such a machine the cost of cracking each key is only a few hundreds or thousands of dollars, so any DES key protecting information of greater value is a tempting target. US export controls used to restrict exports to 40 bit RC4. When the cypherpunks broke several 40 bit RC4 systems the rules were relaxed to 56 bits. Now that a distributed internet group has broken 56 bit DES, the US government's claim that 56 bit is "good enough" is being demonstrated to be patently false. The US government's other ploy has been to allow larger key lengths, but to keep a master key to all communications for themselves. When full strength encryption systems with 128 bit symmetric keys are widely available from foreign competitors, this firstly makes no sense: why can't the US software industry export when every one has strong crypto anway. And secondly the US software industry is losing billions each year in lost sales to their european competitors. 128 bit encryption is unbreakable for all practical purposes. You will recall in the discussion above that each bit of key size doubles the work required to break a symmetric cipher. A 128 bit cipher is 4,722,366,482,869,645,213,696 times harder to break than DES. That is a very large number. Messages encrypted with such keys aren't likely to be breakable for 30-100 years from now. Similarly 1024, to 4096 bit public key systems are in use, and available outside the US. These systems are of roughly comparable hardness to break to 128 bit symmetric keys, the larger the key, the more secure. One final point: things are getting better for cryptography. The attackers job is getting harder. With each doubling of machine speed it is possible to use larger keys, and still encrypt and decrypt instantly when you have the key. When PGP was first released back in 1991, 1024 bit RSA keys were slow to use on the state of the art PC then, a lowly '286. Nowadays an entry level PC, a Pentium 133 whistles through 4096 bit keys. If we say that a P133 is 50x faster than a 20Mhz '286 you can see that the same person using encryption now can use key sizes which before were too slow. I can assure you that in moving from a 1024 bit key to a 4096 bit key, the attackers job is well in excess of 50x harder. Greatly in excess of a trillion trillion times harder.

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Re: spook pressure on crypto exports (was Re: cypherpunks coding challenge)
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Death rays from Mars made Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> write: >Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> writes: >>(Though actually SSLeay has been very useful to a lot of the >>world's free cryptography, and has prompted the US spooks >>to pressure the Australian spooks into restricting crypto exports, >>just as they've pressured the NZs into restricting them for >>Peter Gutman, and have been trying to work on the Irish...) >Could you elaborate on these. I caught Peter Gutmann's comments on the >hassles a company he did some work for were having with the NZ spooks. (The >spooks intercepted their mailed disk, plus some other cloak and dagger >spookish stuff). Nothing was intercepted. They (the GCSB, NZ subsidiary of the NSA) came up with some phony story about NZ customs intercepting a shipment of military-grade encryption (or something similar) which they fed to the Australian spooks (DSD). NZ Customs knew nothing of this, and the DSD were apparently also considerably surprised by it. As far as I can tell it was a very amateurish attempt to intimidate one of the companies involved (frighteningly amateurish in fact - a single phonecall was enough to confirm that they'd invented the whole incident themselves, the only real effect it had was to get them a front-page story in the National Business Review and (presumably) piss off the DSD for sending them on a wild goose chase and risking media exposure). >Is this still going on, was it ever resolved? Can the next version of >cryptlib be exported legally? Or are we relying on Peters bravery? It can be legally exported. Although the people pulling the strings are the GCSB, the group enforcing it is the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT)'s export control group, who are idiots (I can elaborate on this in great detail at some point, preferably over a beer). I have several written statements from them that I can freely export it electronically (along with all sorts of bogosities such as a letter signed by the minister in which the first sentence of the second paragraph says exactly the opposite of the last sentence in the paragraph, and other, similar gems). At one point I was firing off one letter after another to them just to see how silly they would get, but it got boring after awhile. I'll put these letters online at some point for people to have a laugh at. I should also clarify a point about the online writeup of my experiences, which imply that the NSA was active in directing the GCSB over export controls. I'd had some feedback from a high-level US spook source that this wasn't quite the case, but the source has some rather unusual opinions on spooks and their activities (something along the lines of "Civilization would collapse tomorrow if it wasn't for the fine efforts of the CIA and NSA") which made me somewhat suspicious about the accuracy of the information. Anyway, what this source said (and this bit I can believe) was that NZ was completely out of its depth with this (which was obvious from the way it was handled) and was terrified of offending the US. According to the source, the NSA was exerting a *moderating* influence on the whole thing, and that any progress made was because the NSA told the GCSB to back off. This would indicate an interesting case of the NSA exerting very strong indirect influence on determining crypto policy. The GCSB knew the NSA didn't want crypto being distributed, and when they heard of the export they went into overdrive to show the NSA what good boys they could be and how keen they were to help the US by enforcing US policy for NZ crypto. This interpretation is believable, NZ is very much a junior member of the UKUSA alliance and really doesn't want to do anything which might offend the other partners. They knew the US didn't want crypto being made available, so they went out of their way to try to show the NSA that they could be trusted to do their bit in restricting crypto (I'm certain that something as amateurish as the NZ Customs story didn't come from the NSA, even the DSD seemed unaware of it). This means that it doesn't actually require any direct intervention from the USG to control crypto policy, the mere knowledge that the NSA doesn't like something is enough to make the local spooks (who, in NZ's case, rely on the NSA for much of their hardware and training) do whatever they think will keep the NSA happy. It's perfect for the NSA I guess, because they get complete deniability (Just yell "Will noone rid me of this troublesome crypto" and sit back and wait). Peter. BTW, what's happened to taz.nceye.net? The cypherpunks mail->news doesn't seem to have been updated for more than a week.

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Child Pornography [JPEG]
by TruthMailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This email contains child pornography encrypted with strong cryptography using the public key of a federal prisoner. It is being sent via a chain of anonymous remailers using strong cryptography to Senators, Congressmen, and Media. It is originating from a hacked account which was protected by weak encryption. What can you do about it? Nothing! You can pass legislation violating the constitutional rights of millions of citizens to safeguard their privacy and freedom of speech--laws against strong encryption--laws against using anonymity in communications--laws against citizens putting an anti-government cork in their butt-hole (Government Access to Korks--GAK) but you can't stop myself and others from routing around the damage you do to freedom and liberty. Perhaps you can use the seized computer of the federal prisoner to decrypt the enclosed child pornography but you will not be able to decrypt the stego hidden inside this message which reveals my identity. The reason for this is simple--the stego technology I am using leaves the original graphics file unchanged. It is a technology that law enforcement does not have access to. There is an inner circle within society and the government that does have access to the technology, however, and they are using it to fight government and corporate fascism. What can you do? Pass another law--pass a law which imprisons anyone who has a thought or technology which is inaccessible to the scrutiny of government agencies. "Everything not permitted is forbidden." What can you do? Take away all rights and freedoms--imprison everyone. The constitutional rights and freedoms of the citizens have been trashed under the pretext of protecting society from drugs and pornography and numerous other horsemen of the apocalypse, yet I can drive ten minutes in any direction and find drugs to purchase and I can find and send pornography freely over a variety of medium. 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Child Pornography [JPEG]
by TruthMailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This email contains child pornography encrypted with strong cryptography using the public key of a federal prisoner. It is being sent via a chain of anonymous remailers using strong cryptography to Senators, Congressmen, and Media. It is originating from a hacked account which was protected by weak encryption. What can you do about it? Nothing! You can pass legislation violating the constitutional rights of millions of citizens to safeguard their privacy and freedom of speech--laws against strong encryption--laws against using anonymity in communications--laws against citizens putting an anti-government cork in their butt-hole (Government Access to Korks--GAK) but you can't stop myself and others from routing around the damage you do to freedom and liberty. Perhaps you can use the seized computer of the federal prisoner to decrypt the enclosed child pornography but you will not be able to decrypt the stego hidden inside this message which reveals my identity. The reason for this is simple--the stego technology I am using leaves the original graphics file unchanged. It is a technology that law enforcement does not have access to. There is an inner circle within society and the government that does have access to the technology, however, and they are using it to fight government and corporate fascism. What can you do? Pass another law--pass a law which imprisons anyone who has a thought or technology which is inaccessible to the scrutiny of government agencies. "Everything not permitted is forbidden." What can you do? Take away all rights and freedoms--imprison everyone. The constitutional rights and freedoms of the citizens have been trashed under the pretext of protecting society from drugs and pornography and numerous other horsemen of the apocalypse, yet I can drive ten minutes in any direction and find drugs to purchase and I can find and send pornography freely over a variety of medium. 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"writing code"
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think that "cypherpunks write code" is best understood with an added layer of abstraction, e.g., "cypherpunks change the things that bother them." So I think that "cypherpunks write memes" can be a useful strategy. But I think it's important to pay attention to which memes are written - do you mean "Write your Congressperson about this horrible problem!" or "Fuck the government, fix your own problem(s)!"? Many of the exhortations to the public consist mostly of "Hey! Get involved! Vote!", even where this passive "voting" stuff created the very problems which led to the exhortations. Sure, let's write memes. But let's write memes that encourage people to solve their own problems and avoid the use of unnecessary force. The mess that Congress is making out of crypto policy and export control should provide a crystal-clear example of what we're likely to get if we expect Washington - or local legislatures - to fix our problems. Next year Congress will probably fuck with E-mail and spam legislation the way it's screwing up crypto this year. In 1999, they'll have found something else. (Also, FYI, there was an implied :) smiley at the end of my message about three-strikes term limits. It's a cute idea, but I bring it up mostly to illustrate how pathetic and weak contemporary political thought is - we're ending up with a legal system which consists of crap like that, announced at press conferences full of various sympathetic "victims", hosted & funded by lobbyists paid for by prison-guard unions.) -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto.

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Japan & bombing the US
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Several people have made comment on the difference between states and protectorates of one sort or another in reference to the comment I made about Oregon being the only US state to be bombed in WWII. While this is technicaly true if you go back and look at the original posting I replied too was made in the context of US involvment in the war and how isolated we were, so isolated, the claim went, that the Japanese were unable to invade or otherwise attack the US. While it is true that Oregon was the only area attacked which was a state under the context of US possessions being attacked it is false. The main point here is that the original proposal was incorrect due to more than a semantic technicality. This brings the whole issue of the US sitting out the war into question. A question I answer strongly in the negative. It is not possible that the US could have sat out the war as a neutral. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: How did these people find our list? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:30:11 -0400 > From: Duncan Frissell <frissell(a)panix.com> > Subject: Re: How did these people find our list? (fwd) > June 21, 1942, Fort Stevens at the mouth of the Columbia in Oregon is fired > upon by the deck gun of a Japanese submarine. The first continental costal > battery to be attacked by a foreign enemy (not counting those Southerners) > since the War of 1812. The Japs fire 17 shells. No apparent damage. Fort > Stevens is unable to depress its guns sufficiently to hit the submarine. A > draw. Two Jap subs were sunk in San Francisco harbor. Unfortunately I can't find the dates, will keep looking. > Oregon also suffered the U.S. Mainland's only domestic casualties due to > enemy action when a teacher and members of her family on a hike in southern > Oregon were killed by a Japanese balloon bomb. (These bombs were attached to Actualy it was a man, his wife, and two children. The two kids were playing with it when it went off. My memory tells me that the women and two kids were killed. Don't remember if she was a teacher or not. There was an interesting video recreation on TDC last month on this incident on a special on the Japanese balloon bombs. > balloons released from Japanese submarines off the coast.) Actualy most of them were released from the Japanese mainland at specific points. If you do further research on this you will learn how they used the ballast sand in the balloons (mechanicly complicated) to track their source. All the sites were bombed and the baloons ceased. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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SAFE clears House subcommittee, with amendments
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*************** Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 21:09:41 -0400 To: fight-censorship-announce(a)vorlon.mit.edu From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> Subject: FC: SAFE clears House subcommittee, from LEGI-SLATE [Since I showed up late today and missed some of the early discussion, I asked my friend Amy for permission to pass along her report. She graciously agreed. --Declan] ***************** SAFE Act Nears Home in House After Subcommittee Tosses It Out Favorably By Amy Branson LEGI-SLATE News Service WASHINGTON (June 24) -- Casting the only opposing vote to H.R. 695 -- the "Security and Freedom Through Encryption Act" -- Rep. Doug Bereuter, R-Neb., knew his position was the lonely one at a subcommittee markup Tuesday. "The goal must be to balance between the competitiveness of U.S. companies and U.S. national security goals," Bereuter began. "However, this bill fails that balance because it significantly relaxes U.S. export control of encryption without requiring a key recovery policy ... to those exports." Despite Bereuter's problems with the bill, the House International Relations Subcommittee on International Economic Policy and Trade passed H.R. 695 by a recorded vote of 14 yeas and 1 nay [Vote 1]. H.R. 695 lifts export restrictions on many kinds of strong encryption products, prohibits federal or state governments from requiring anyone to give up the key to their encrypted communications, and establishes criminal penalties for using encryption to further a criminal offense. "This is a vitally important piece of legislation if we're going to continue to promote the United States dominance of the software industry worldwide," the bill's sponsor, Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., said Tuesday afternoon. Goodlatte, who does not sit on the International Relations Committee, spoke on behalf of his bill at the markup session. "This legislation is also very important from the standpoint of promoting the safety and security of American citizens and others in the use of the Internet," he added. Subcommittee members also adopted by voice vote an "en bloc amendment" that made what they described as mostly "technical" changes to the bill. Subcommittee aides emphasized that the purpose of the amendment language was to close loopholes and fix unintended omissions contained in the underlying legislation. For example, the amendment expands the kinds of products that do not have to have a validated license for export or re-export to include "any consumer product commercially available in the U.S. or abroad using encryption capabilities which are inaccessible to the end user and is not designed for military or intelligence end use." The amendment also expands the term "generally available" as it is used in the bill to include hardware with encryption capabilities. As the bill now is written, only software with encryption capabilities is covered. Also, the en bloc amendment added a "Sense of Congress" section to the end of the bill. In addition to "finding" that the president "has not been able to come to agreement with other encryption producing countries on export controls on encryption," the amendment suggests the president immediately should call an international conference to reach a policy agreement with other encryption exporting countries. Administration officials disapprove of this language because they say they are "close" to reaching an encryption export policy agreement with these countries, one House aide said. But the administration has been making this claim for several years, the aide said. This legislation already has been reported favorably by the House Judiciary Committee, which did not have jurisdiction over the export language. The International Relations subcommittee, however, had jurisdiction over the most controversial parts of the bill: the export provisions. The bill still faces a markup in the full International Relations Committee where there likely will be another technical amendment, the aide said. Meanwhile, the Senate Commerce Committee recently adopted a so-called "compromise" encryption bill that satisfies Clinton administration concerns about the availability of strong encryption technology overseas. But industry officials decry the legislation, sponsored by Senate Commerce Committee Chairman John McCain, R-Ariz., and Sen. Robert Kerrey, D-Neb. Senate legislation [S. 377] that more closely resembles Goodlatte's SAFE Act has been put on the back burner because of Clinton administration objections. Sen. Conrad Burns, R-Mont., is sponsoring that bill, which also is known as Pro-CODE, or Promotion of Commerce Online in the Digital Era Act of 1997. -30- TYPE*MARKUP BILL*HR695 DATE*6/24/97 ------------------------- Declan McCullagh Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is public. To join fight-censorship-announce, send "subscribe fight-censorship-announce" to majordomo(a)vorlon.mit.edu. More information is at http://www.eff.org/~declan/fc/

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Underground extract: System X
by proff＠iq.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone read this book? Apparently the first in-depth investigation into the international computer underground to come out of the Southern-Hemisphere - or so I'm told ;) - J.A Extracts from Underground - The true nature of System X Extracted from Chapter 10 - "Anthrax - The Outsider" Note: System X's name has been changed for legal reasons. Sometimes the time just slipped away, hacking all night. When the first hint of dawn snuck up on him, he was invariably in the middle of some exciting journey. But duty was duty, and it had to be done. So Anthrax pressed control S to freeze his screen, unfurled the prayer mat with its built-in compass, faced Mecca, knelt down and did two sets of prayers before sunrise. Ten minutes later he rolled the prayer mat up, slid back into his chair, typed control Q to release the pause on his computer and picked up where he left off. This company's computer system seemed to confirm what he had begun to suspect. System X was the first stage of a project, the rest of which was under development. He found a number of tables and reports in System X's files. The reports carried headers like 'Traffic Analysis', 'calls in' and 'calls out', 'failure rate'. It all began to make sense to Anthrax. System X called up each of the military telephone exchanges in that list. It logged in using the computer-generated name and password. Once inside, a program in System X polled the exchange for important statistics, such as the number of calls coming in and out of the base. This information was then stored on System X. Whenever someone wanted a report on something, for example, the military sites with the most incoming calls over the past 24 hours, he or she would simply ask System X to compile the information. All of this was done automatically. Anthrax had read some email suggesting that changes to an exchange, such as adding new telephone lines on the base, had been handled manually, but this job was soon to be done automatically by System X. It made sense. The maintenance time spent by humans would be cut dramatically. A machine which gathers statistics and services phone exchanges remotely doesn't sound very sexy on the face of it, until you begin to consider what you could do with something like that. You could sell it to a foreign power interested in the level of activity at a certain base at a particular time. And that is just the beginning. You could tap any unencrypted line going in or out of any of the 100 or so exchanges and listen in to sensitive military discussions. Just a few commands makes you a fly on the wall of a general's conversation to the head of a base in the Philippines. Anti-government rebels in that country might pay a pretty penny for getting intelligence on the US forces. All of those options paled next to the most striking power wielded by a hacker who had unlimited access to System X and the 100 or so telephone exchanges. He could take down that US military voice communications system almost overnight, and he could do it automatically. The potential for havoc creation was breathtaking. It would be a small matter for a skilled programmer to alter the automated program used by System X. Instead of using its dozen or more modems to dial all the exchanges overnight and poll them for statistics, System X could be instructed to call them overnight and reprogram the exchanges. --- No-one would be able to reach one another. An important part of the US military machine would be in utter disarray. Now, what if all this happened in the first few days of a war? People trying to contact each other with vital information wouldn't be able to use the telephone exchanges reprogrammed by System X. THAT was power. It wasn't like Anthrax screaming at his father until his voice turned to a whisper, all for nothing. He could make people sit up and take notice with this sort of power. Hacking a system gave him a sense of control. Getting root on a system always gave him an adrenalin rush for just that reason. It meant the system was his, he could do whatever he wanted, he could run whatever processes or programs he desired, he could remove other users he didn't want using his system. He thought, I own the system. The word 'own' anchored the phrase which circled through his thoughts again and again when he successfully hacked a system. The sense of ownership was almost passionate, rippled with streaks of obsession and jealousy. At any given moment, Anthrax had a list of systems he owned and that had captured his interest for that moment. Anthrax hated seeing a system administrator logging onto one of those systems. It was an invasion. It was as though Anthrax had just got this woman he had been after for some time alone in a room with the door closed. Then, just as he was getting to know her, this other guy had barged in, sat down on the couch and started talking to her. It was never enough to look at a system from a distance and know he could hack it if he wanted to. Anthrax had to actually hack the system. He had to own it. He needed to see what was inside the system, to know exactly what it was he owned. The worst thing admins could do was to fiddle with system security. That made Anthrax burn with anger. If Anthrax was on-line, silently observing the adminsÕ activities, he would feel a sudden urge to log them off. He wanted to punish them. Wanted them to know he was into their system. And yet, at the same time, he didnÕt want them to know. Logging them off would draw attention to himself, but the two desires pulled at him from opposite directions. What Anthrax really wanted was for the admins to know he controlled their system, but for them not to be able to do anything about it. He wanted them to be helpless. Anthrax decided to keep undercover. But he contemplated the power of having System X's list of telephone exchange dial-ups and their username - password combinations. Normally, it would take days for a single hacker with his lone modem to have much impact on the US military's communications network. Sure, he could take down a few exchanges before the military wised up and started protecting themselves. It was like hacking a military computer. You could take out a machine here, a system there. But the essence of the power of System X was being able to use its own resources to orchestrate widespread pandemonium quickly and quietly. Anthrax defines power as the potential for real world impact. At that moment of discovery and realisation, the real world impact of hacking System X looked good. The telecommunications company computer seemed like a good place to hang up a sniffer, so he plugged one into the machine and decided to return in a little while. Then he logged out and went to bed. When he revisited the sniffer a day or so later, Anthrax received a rude shock. Scrolling through the sniffer file, he did a double take on one of the entries. Someone had logged into the company's system using his special login patch password. He tried to stay calm. He thought hard. When was the last time he had logged into the system using that special password? Could his sniffer have logged himself on an earlier hacking session? It did happen occasionally. Hackers sometimes gave themselves quite a fright. In the seamless days and nights of hacking dozens of systems, it was easy to forget the last time you logged into a particular system using the special password. The more he thought, the more he was absolutely sure. He hadn't logged into the system again. Which left the obvious question. Who had? ________________________________________________________________________ [This extract may be reposted non-commercially and without charge only] Underground; Tales of Hacking, Madness and Obsession on the Electronic Frontier, by Suelette Dreyfus; published by Mandarin (Random House Australia); (P) 475 pages with bib. http://www.underground-book.com/ or http://underground.org/book

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Internet knuckle-dragging from the New York Times
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:03:20 -0400 From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship-announce(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: FC: Internet knuckle-dragging from the New York Times Wired's Todd Lappin started the flamefest last Friday. A bit uncharacteristic, perhaps, since Todd is generally mild-mannered both online and offline -- but then again, he had a good point and a juicy target. It was the New York Times, which had front-paged a scaremongering above-the-fold article by Christopher Wren: http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/062097drug.html Todd posted on fight-censorship: The article, headlined "Seductive Drug Subculture Flourishes on the Internet," notes that the Net has become "a virtual do-it-yourself guide to drug use, at a time when adolescents' experimenting is on the rise." Our intrepid reporter then goes on to assert that "partly owing to free-speech protection, the Internet lacks a quality control mechanism to separate fact from hyperbole or from outright falsehood." Indeed, it is also because of those nettlesome free-speech protections that the New York Times is able to publish such drivel -- replete with it's schoolmarm fearmongering, silly correlations, and ankle-deep analysis. Then the Boston Globe's technology reporter, Hiawatha Bray, leaped in... -Declan *********** Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:44:55 -0400 From: Hiawatha Bray <wathab(a)tiac.net> Awright. The lurking is over. What IS your problem? Can you point to any inaccuracies in Mr. Wren's story? If not, tough luck. I'm tired of listening to so-called "free speech advocates" going ballistic when they don't like what someone has to say. Every time a journalist writes a story about the seamier side of the Net, somebody complains that this will give outsiders the wrong idea. Nonsense. I think what really worries you is that such stories give people the RIGHT idea--that there are sex fiends, dope smokers and would-be Unabombers on-line. Well, there are. And as long as there are, journalists will write about the fact. Don't like it? Too bad. Deal with it. Hiawatha Bray 617-929-3115 voice Technology Reporter 617-929-3183 fax Boston Globe wathab(a)tiac.net P.O. Box 2378 Boston, MA, 02107 http://members.tripod.com/~krothering/index.html ********** Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:18:34 -0500 From: Jon Lebkowsky <jonl(a)onr.com> Subject: RE: Internet Knuckle-dragging from the NYTimes At 03:44 PM 6/20/97 -0400, Hiawatha Bray wrote: >Awright. The lurking is over. > >What IS your problem? Can you point to any inaccuracies in Mr. Wren's >story? If not, tough luck. > >I'm tired of listening to so-called "free speech advocates" going ballistic >when they don't like what someone has to say. Every time a journalist >writes a story about the seamier side of the Net, somebody complains that >this will give outsiders the wrong idea. Nonsense. I think what really >worries you is that such stories give people the RIGHT idea--that there are >sex fiends, dope smokers and would-be Unabombers on-line. Well, there >are. And as long as there are, journalists will write about the fact. > Don't like it? Too bad. Deal with it. > You missed the point. We all know that there are sex fiends, dope smokers, and would-be Unabombers in this world, on the net and elsewhere. What we're saying is that they have free speech rights, just like you. This isn't about blowing people up. This isn't about molesting children. This isn't about doing drugs. You don't *do* any of those things online. But you may talk about them. This is about SPEECH. *********** Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:28:27 -0800 To: Hiawatha Bray <wathab(a)tiac.net>, <Fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu> From: "--Todd Lappin-->" <telstar(a)wired.com> At 11:44 AM -0800 6/20/97, Hiawatha >What IS your problem? Can you point to any inaccuracies in Mr. Wren's >story? If not, tough luck. > >I'm tired of listening to so-called "free speech advocates" going ballistic >when they don't like what someone has to say. Every time a journalist >writes a story about the seamier side of the Net, somebody complains that >this will give outsiders the wrong idea. Nonsense. I think what really >worries you is that such stories give people the RIGHT idea--that there are >sex fiends, dope smokers and would-be Unabombers on-line. Well, there >are. And as long as there are, journalists will write about the fact. > Don't like it? Too bad. Deal with it. This is complete and utter bullshit. I didn't say Wren's article was inaccurate... I said it is a load of sensationalist crap, laden with half-baked innuendo and unsubstantiated correlations. Don't pull the "so-called 'free speech advocate'" horsepucky with me either. I'm not calling for censorship of the Times... I'm simply saying that their story was garbage. Of course, they have a right to print garbage... but I also think they have an obligation to recount the facts accurately, and in proper context. This article failed to to that. Instead, it implies that Websites use cartoons to tempt the young (as if cartoons are only for the young), and that the availability of drug info online somehow ties in to the fact that "adolescents' [drug] experimenting is on the rise. That's both absurd and factually unsubstantiated. I have no problem discussing the darker side of the Net... I do so regularly and openly. But I'm fed up with the "Internet Did It" genre of newspaper reporting. It's shoddy, and worse, it's dangerous -- because it promotes public hysteria through techno-fearmongering. Deal with it. --Todd--> PS: Jon Lebkowsky's last point was excellent. ************ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 13:35:46 -0700 (PDT) From: baby-X <baby-x(a)millennium-cafe.com> On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Hiawatha Bray wrote: > I'm tired of listening to so-called "free speech advocates" going ballistic > when they don't like what someone has to say. Every time a journalist > writes a story about the seamier side of the Net, somebody complains that > this will give outsiders the wrong idea. Nonsense. I think what really > worries you is that such stories give people the RIGHT idea--that there are > sex fiends, dope smokers and would-be Unabombers on-line. Well, there > are. And as long as there are, journalists will write about the fact. > Don't like it? Too bad. Deal with it. Either educate yourself about the fact that what these stories portray as some virulent epidemic of "bad" information is never anywhere near as severe as the hysteria said stories try to foster (for example, go spend this weekend reading all of Jon Katz over at the Netizen), or go back to lurking. ************ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:57:49 -0400 From: freematt(a)coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) >Awright. The lurking is over. > >What IS your problem? Can you point to any inaccuracies in Mr. Wren's >story? If not, tough luck. > >I'm tired of listening to so-called "free speech advocates" going ballistic >when they don't like what someone has to say. Every time a journalist >writes a story about the seamier side of the Net, somebody complains that >this will give outsiders the wrong idea. Nonsense. I think what really >worries you is that such stories give people the RIGHT idea--that there are >sex fiends, dope smokers and would-be Unabombers on-line. Well, there >are. And as long as there are, journalists will write about the fact. > Don't like it? Too bad. Deal with it. Rather than write sensationalist stories on rather rare crimes in tabloid fashion- [Not that you are guility of this.] I'd personally rather see journalists mention that in comparison to kids swimming, riding a bike, or even playing a game of summer baseball- The chances of harm to children surfing the net is infinitesimal. Regards, Matt- ******** From: Hiawatha Bray <wathab(a)tiac.net> To: "Fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu" <Fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:07:08 -0400 Hmmm...how can I put this? The quality of the responses to my previous message was, well...lame. I don't do flame, so I'm trying to be courteous about this. But folks--you need to grow up. ******** Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:05:31 -0700 To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu From: Lizard <lizard(a)dnai.com> At 03:44 PM 6/20/97 -0400, you wrote: >Awright. The lurking is over. > >What IS your problem? Can you point to any inaccuracies in Mr. Wren's >story? If not, tough luck. > If every week, all you saw in the papers were stories of journalists who beat their wives, jounalists who were arrested on drunk driving charges, journalists who falsified facts, and journalists who were late on their child-support payments, would you simply be content to know that all the stories were accurate? Or would you beging to think that maybe, just maybe, there was a slant? What you choose to report on is as important as the accuracy of the report. What makes this story newsworthy? Why the snide reminder that it's that darn ol' Free Speech thing that keeps these sites from being shut down? Why the emphasis on how 'anyone' can post stuff to the net, since there's no business interest to keep them controlled? It's 100% pure propaganda, designed to stir up calls for a law to prevent distributing 'drug information' to minors, what with the pending (we hope -- well, *I* hope -- you probably don't) collapse of the CDA. You know it is, too. why are you defending it? *********** Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 14:15:31 -0700 (PDT) From: baby-X <baby-x(a)millennium-cafe.com> To: "Fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu" <Fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu> Subject: RE: Internet Knuckle-dragging from the NYTimes On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Hiawatha Bray wrote: The following is an example of why we don't hold your opinions to be of very much worth: > At no point does Mr. Wren say that Internet use among the young causes > increased drug abuse. He merely notes that a communications medium very > popular with young people is laden with messages that encourage drug use, Laden? Here is the definition of laden from the Hypertext Webster Gateway: Definition for Laden from database web1913 (web1913) Laden \Lad"en\, p. & a. Loaded; freighted; burdened; as, a laden vessel; a laden heart. Loaded? Freighted? Burdened? It's the use of this sort of hysteria-tinted language that causes so many problems in establishment media ocverage of cyberspace. We know, from use of words like this one, what YOUR bias is in these cases. We're just trying to keep that bias from infecting too much media coverage. baby-X <baby-x(a)millennium-cafe.com> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BitBurn Access - CyberPOLIS - Millennium Cafe - Sluggish Canine ----------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.millennium-cafe.com/~baby-x/ ************* Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 17:19:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Rebecca Daugherty <rebeccad(a)CapAccess.org> To: Hiawatha Bray <wathab(a)tiac.net> I think it's at least philosophically inaccurate to blame the net for the action. It's like killing the messenger, cursing the pen. And it's too sure 'n easy a spin -- bad ole technology has done this too us. um.um.um. There are changes to note -- there are new kinds of technologically proficient pedophiles and they merit some ink so they can be combatted. But the net is the same old net and a benign one with no seamy side at all in my thinking. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rebecca Daugherty <rebeccad(a)capaccess.org> Director, FOI Service Center, Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press Visit our web site for media law information: http://www.rcfp.org/rcfp/ ************** Subject: Re: Internet Knuckle-dragging from the NYTimes Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 18:07:19 -0400 From: Thomas Grant Edwards <tedwards(a)isr.umd.edu> In fairness, I don't see many stories in the media about guns except in consideration of their use for murder or suicide. Infact, the Net gets off much easier than guns! -Thomas ************** Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:54:47 -0700 To: Hiawatha Bray <wathab(a)tiac.net> From: Lizard <lizard(a)dnai.com> Subject: RE: Internet Knuckle-dragging from the NYTimes Cc: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu At 06:22 PM 6/20/97 -0400, Hiawatha Bray wrote: >I gotta admit, I find your reply irresistible! Much too much fun to argue >with. Okay. You win. You get to be Lizard. > >But you're still talking nonsense about the Times story. Just because it >makes you nervous to read nastiness about the Net, doesn't make it wrong >for journalists to write the truth. Besides, have you ever kept count of >how many pro-Net stories there are? If anything, we reporters have been >guilty of shamelessly hyping the Internet. I could probably show you 10 >positive stories about the Internet for every negative one. Trust me--I >end up reading nearly all of them...it's the cross I must bear! > Very few 'pro internet' stories deal with the REAL benefits of the Internet -- the breakup of the media monopoly, the 'everyone is a reader, everyone is a writer' concept, the building of communities of interest rather than coincidence. We all know about children meeting Evil Predators on the net -- why not stories about children meeting mentors, teachers, or counselors? Rather than "My wife left me for her cyberlover!", why not "I met my wife thanks to our shared interest in barbed-wire collecting"? Let's look at that drug story. Why not write it like this? ==================================================== "After decades of getting only one side of the story from teachers, government, and a lapdog media, teenagers are now able to easily access both pro- and anti- drug information on the Internet, and chat with each other about their drug experiences in secure anonymity, permitting them to make up their own minds on this complex issue. Because Internet access is so inexpensive, people do not need the support of advertisers or subscribers to post any information they wish -- so views outside the mainstream, which would never be aired in traditional forums, can reach anyone with a modem, anywhere in the world. Further, the interactive nature of the net makes it easy for people on all sides of a debate to fire off points and counterpoints, so that the audience (who can become participants at will) can make up their own minds, ask questions, and raise issues that neither side might choose to raise on their own. "It's wonderful for kids", says Mr. Fictional, teacher at Utopia Public School. "We don't want them to 'Say No to Drugs' out of fear or ignorance, but out of a reasoned understanding of the harm drugs can do to them -- and that means they need to get the facts, not a lot of scare tactics. The government would never let us teach the 'straight dope', if you will, but we can turn kids on to the net and let them learn for themselves." ==================================================== There. There's all the "facts" -- but a very different spin, no? ************ Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 16:53:29 -0500 From: Jon Lebkowsky <jonl(a)onr.com> Subject: RE: Internet Knuckle-dragging from the NYTimes >Very nice. But so what? Mr. Wren simply reported what's going on. He >never called for censorship of the Internet. Were you reading the same >article I was, or what? Yeah, the article that said "partly owing to free-speech protection, the Internet lacks a quality control mechanism to separate fact from hyperbole or from outright falsehood." While not exactly a call for censorship, this is certainly dismissive of free speech. ************ -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This list is public. To join fight-censorship-announce, send "subscribe fight-censorship-announce" to majordomo(a)vorlon.mit.edu. More information is at http://www.eff.org/~declan/fc/

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Re: Japan & bombing the US (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 18:20:17 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Japan & bombing the US > No, this is incorrectly paraphrasing what I wrote. What I said, very > precisely, was "as there has been no credible threat of attack or invasion > of the states in America in at least 170 years." I was careful to say > "states in America." Distinction noted. I suppose the fact that American laws govern these areas, and they pay taxes, and can be drafted into our military, get citizenship at birth, etc. are totaly and completely irrelevant and completely unrelated to issues such as these. Thinking like yours is why McArthur got such support when he promised to return to the Phillipines when even his bosses were ready to write it off. It's why the Japanese have such a high regard for him respecting his tenure as military dictator of Japan during their rebuild. If you haven't read it you might consider reading his biography American Ceaser for its insight into the politics of these two periods. > And I also limited my comments to the events leading up to wars...my > context was clear: that had the U.S. not chosen to enter wars, no states > would have been attacked even later. That the U.S. has entered wars and had > states attacked hardly disputes my point. The US didn't choose to enter the war however, that is the issue not your nit-picking over some irrelevant boundary distinction. One thing is clear to anyone who lived in that period as an adult or studies it carefuly, the distinctions that Tim is claiming to be relevant were not important to the people living at the time. When it came to shooting 'Americans' (not Americans in a state, or not on vacation, etc. noise) it was the shooting of Americans that was at issue and not whether Alaska or Hawaii really would become a state in 1959. It is not reasonable to expect the United States of America could have 'sat out' the war. It was and is clear that American MUST enter the war at some point. The British were down to their last $750M in a S. African bank that went walkaround on an American transport to pay outstanding bills. Because of the economic and social ties between American and Britian any thesis claiming America could (let alone should) have remained neutral is pure meta-history. Consider the unrestricted German submarine warfare occuring as close as 30 miles from the Eastern seaboard. How long would people put up with bodies washing up on their beaches regularly? What would have been the impact of doing business with Europe under the German helm in the US (which couldn't exist at anything close to todays tech/social level without strong economic markets)? The Germans and Russians managed to arrive at a commen goal in the invasion of Poland. Without the drain of the African and Cicilian campaigns (which required the support of the US on a military footing to succeed) it is just possible that Russia could sue for peace with Germany causing at least a temporary breathing spell for the marshalling of forces. It is also clear at this point that Germany had a much larger technology lead over the Russians (research where the tubes for Russian radios came from) and such weapons as the ME-262, V1, V2, etc. Under this light it is clear that given a breathing space Germany allied with Japan (assuming the successful invasion of Australia, with no Britian and no US how long would they last?) would pose a real threat to the US, including the direct assault on the continental US. If we can do it in Europe and Africa what in the world makes you think somebody else can't do it? Without US intervention in the war Italy would own Africa now. Those folks were predators, they didn't back down. The Japanese would have gone for the west coast. The Russians would look at the Alaskan peninsula (bought from Russia in the 1800's) and lick their chops. The South American continent would have been Germanic/Japanese without US intervention. The influx of Germans into Argentina and Japanese to Peru started in the 20's and not the 50's. Germany was building a bomber to hit New York and long range fast transport subs, their intent was clear. Why the United States entered WWII can't be attributed to ANY single simplistic thesis such as this. It is also clear that the Japanese and German decision making processes were not motived this simply either. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| ps legaly US military bases are US soil in the same class as DC, clearly a part of the United States. An attack upon such is treated legaly as an attack upon one of the 48 states.

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Re: The Grand Compromise is Coming (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:56:33 -0500 (CDT) > From: Mac Norton <mnorton(a)cavern.uark.edu> > Subject: Re: The Grand Compromise is Coming > OK, Tim, I'll try: > The use of communication in furtherance of a crime shall add five years . > . .etc. > > The use of any device to enhance the speed of communication in furtherance > of a crime shall . . . etc. > > The use of any device to disguise a voice in furtherance of . . . etc. > > The use of any cryptographic means of communication in furtherance . . . > > Now, if two and three above are constitutional, why aren't one and four? The use of any printing press in the .... The use of speech in the ... Per the 1st, 9th & 10th; "The use of <blah> in the ...." is un-Constitutional. Now, I can see committing a crime using some facility or special skill might exacerbate the verdict, is that the intent? We could just do away with the preamble and go with exacerbating the verdict if a special skill or facility is required. If nothing else it eliminates any pretense of spontinaity, in effect pre-meditation or aggravation. From that perspective I don't see a Constitutional issue except regarding the punishment phase. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Freeware Helps Keep Your Cruising Confidential
by Lou Zirko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I thought I would pass this along. Just downloaded it and am looking at it. Interesting application for Win 95/NT users. The download page starts at http://www.luckman.com/anoncookie/anoncookie.html Lou Zirko >Freeware Helps Keep Your Cruising Confidential > > > >by Brian McWilliams, PC World NewsRadio > >June 24, 1997 >Concerns about Internet privacy are running hot since the recent privacy >hearings sponsored by the Federal Trade Commission. New laws as well as >technology standards may soon come to the assistance of Net users. In the >meantime, a California company is releasing a freeware tool to help users >gain some control over their online privacy. > >Luckman Interactive today posted a utility for Windows 95 and NT called >Luckman's Anonymous Cookie for Internet Privacy. > >According to chief technology officer Marco Papa, the beta software works >with browsers from Microsoft and Netscape. It installs in your Win 95 >system tray and enables you to switch in and out of "anonymizer mode," >that is, controlling whether or not a Web site can write to and read your >browser's cookie file. This file is used by some sites to personalize >their content and in some cases to track your activities online. > >"We save all your cookie files and replace them with either an empty >folder or a file that can't be overwritten," explains Papa. "When you turn >cookies back on, you actually replace whatever may have changed with your >original cookie files." > >Luckman's Anonymous Cookie program is actually technology that was >developed for the company's WebSweep utility, which is scheduled for >commercial release later this summer. But Papa says the firm decided to >pull the cookie piece out now to give users some much-needed control over >online privacy. > >Dierdre Mulligan of the Center for Democracy and Technology says cookie >files are at the heart of many privacy problems on the Net. Her group is >especially critical of companies like DoubleClick, which she says violates >the spirit of the cookie concept by passing user information on to third >parties. She welcomes tools like Luckman's, but she notes that add-ons >don't help protect the millions of less experienced Net users. > >"If you really want people to have an easy-to-use way to protect >information or to control what their kids are going to see on the Net, >build it into the browser. Everybody has one, and they don't have to go >buy an extra program or figure out how to install it," Mulligan said. > >Brent Luckman, chairman of Luckman Interactive, said that's a great idea, >but he doesn't see much impetus for browser makers to give up access to >valuable marketing information. > >If you're a privacy guerrilla, you can grab your free copy of the >Anonymous Cookie program from Luckman's Web site. > > Lou Zirko Key fingerprint =46 F8 6A 89 F1 4A 74 AB 2F 60 21 E3 FB 21 E4 E4 "Were all bozos on this bus", Nick Danger, Third Eye

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LOSE MONEY FAST!!
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

not to encourage any paranoia or conspiracy theory, but this is an interesting warning I saw on another mailing list that I thought I'd pass on--- From: xxxxx Date: Tue Jun 24 21:49:18 PDT 1997 Subject: LOSE MONEY FAST!! I am writing this to WARN THE PUBLIC of a very DIABOLICAL SCHEME that is RIGHT NOW playing out in the market and ingeniously designed to separate GULLIBLE INVESTORS from their lawful returns. I cannot now reveal exactly the name of the company involved, but I will identify it by the initials "FRN". FRN directors are involved in a complex STOCK MANIPULATION SCHEME in which they are selling additional shares of the company beyond those in circulation, with only the hazy knowledge of the existing stockholders. This is being done IN COLLUSION WITH GOVERNMENT REGULATORS, who are receiving kickbacks from the operation! In other words, individual investors of FRN believe they own 1/n of the company, when in fact there are more shares in existence and they actually own far less than the fraction indicated on their certificates! The additional shares are owned by directors of the company who are secretly releasing the FRAUDULENT SHARES on the market with PRECISE TIMING, such that whenever the legitimate value of the company increases, they release new shares for sale at the current share price. The net effect is that market share prices creep up in value only marginally while the directors effectively INCREASE THEIR CONTROL of the corporation by STEALING FROM SMALLER SHAREHOLDERS. Some select shareholders are allowed to participate in the plan if they increase the profitability of the company, but in their BLIND GREED have not done the math and do not realize that they are in effect LOSING MONEY even though numerically their supposed shares are compounding regularly! In effect the corporation is COUNTERFEITING ITS OWN SHARES under the full knowledge and supervision of the topmost echelons, and the general ignorance of shareholders! This thievery is paid for courtesy of an ever-increasing percentage of the company's shareholders without their awareness! In fact, because so many shareholders are participating, the whole system can be thought of as a massive form of INVISIBLE SLAVERY! The energy of the shareholders that is successfully improving the company is being siphoned off by their "masters", while the masters insist that the company is not even breaking even! Perhaps you may scoff, but remember, THE PERFECT SLAVE IS THE ONE WHO DOESN'T REALIZE HE'S A SLAVE, and an even better one RIDICULES THE POSSIBILITY. And--some slaves THINK THEY ARE MASTERS when in fact they are really SLAVES. (Do you live in a "land of the free"? Are you sure?) FRN has been operating since 1913 and has sucked in huge masses of unsuspecting shareholders who do not realize that it is a massive pyramid scheme that must eventually collapse! Initially the effects were negligible but the disparities among shareholdings has been magnified exponentially over the years. Shareholders have not realized this EVIL TRICK because the company has been growing incredibly rapidly with massive profits that are never reaped by the DESIGNATED VICTIM SHAREHOLDERS but instead skimmed by the CONSPIRATOR'S ELITE. A sophisticated and well-funded PR Office of the company has hypnotized the shareholders into believing their shares are far more valuable than they really are, even in spite of OBVIOUS SIGNS OF DEPRECIATION! The grotesque nature of the beast is revealed in that eventually, with mathematical certainty, doing absolutely nothing, the SINGLE SHAREHOLDER who owned the greatest share at the beginning of this hoax will eventually OWN VIRTUALLY THE ENTIRE COMPANY, with all other shareholders owning virtually nothing! ("The rich get richer and the poor get poorer"-- with some of the poorer thinking they are getting richer!) But the system will collapse before then after enough shareholders FEEL THE SQUEEZE. Unfortunately, it is likely the shareholders will only realize they have been CHEATED and get ANGRY once the whole snake oil enterprise CRASHES! At that point, whoever will be left holding the bag will be mostly random! But what about the masters? Hopefully when the pyramid scheme FINALLY DOES CRASH, the shareholders will have learned their lesson, and go after those truly responsible instead of fighting among themselves, or at the very minimum STOP INVESTING IN PYRAMID SCHEMES! However, history has suggested that the current FRN owners have been using the same strategy in many prior shell games and escaped many previous company "bankruptcies" with their wealth unscathed, and are right now shrewdly planning their escape route by cashing out at precisely the right instant in their LATEST AND MOST GREATEST SKULLDUGGERY EPISODE as well! >From what I have heard, the plan is to then use the proceeds to erect the next, EVEN MORE CONSTRICTING WEALTH EXTRACTION AND SLAVERY SYSTEM. They have been doing this LIKE CLOCKWORK on a schedule of about every 60-70 years, which seems to be about the limit of the public's memory and the lifespan of the system. In fact, it has been going on so long the masters have convinced the population that it's a regular and unavoidable phenomenon! I don't know what will happen, but I am sending this warning to YOU PERSONALLY to check to see if you own shares in FRN, and if so, SELL THEM IMMEDIATELY and invest your hard-earned money into some LEGITIMATE ALTERNATIVE that doesn't steal from you merely by owning it. Also realize that TRADING FRN SHARES, while convenient, is PLAYING INTO THE SCAM! Quite insidiously, far more people own and trade shares in FRN than realize it due to indirect ownership! The MASS DELUSION is everywhere! Eventually the corruption in the government and greed in the population will have to be cleaned up so that companies such as FRN can never begin operating in the first place, and THE TEMPLE IS FOREVER RID OF THE MONEYCHANGERS. But your FIRST DEFENSE is your own intelligence. Remember, YOU CAN'T CHEAT AN HONEST PERSON! Part of the moral is to KNOW WHERE ALL THE SHARES ARE and to MAKE SURE THEY ADD UP TO 1! The TREACHEROUS HIGHWAY ROBBERS will invent elaborate, complicated, INCOMPREHENSIBLE reasons why they don't, such as talking about what paper the stock certificates are made out of, or how high government taxes are, or pointing at programs for share-trading among shareholders. But remember, this is all SMOKE AND MIRRORS--a certificate that says 1/n is a CONTRACT no matter what kind of paper it is printed on, the entire government recently became ANOTHER LOSING SHAREHOLDER, and the net result of the share-trades NEVER ESCAPES THE SHARE PARASITES! Please don't attack the losing shareholders! If you have problems identifying the thieves, remember, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO AUTHORIZED RELEASE OF THE FRAUDULENT CERTIFICATES in the first place, IN EXCESS OF FACE VALUE. And they'll likely be unscathed after the collapse, but keeping an extremely low profile! (But don't blame the printers! And don't believe it if the "authorizers" pretend to be the "printers"!) Take back your power and DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY, otherwise, you're just ANOTHER VICTIM FOR THE CON GAME! May God be with you--

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Re: Bomb-making instructions....
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Bradley wrote: > I personally know no chemistry at all, but what would be nice is if > someone who knows what they are doing wrote an "anarchists cookbook" type > set of files, but this time got them right so anyone attempting any of > the recipes wouldn`t be killed. People named "Lefty" need not apply...

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GAH--Government Access to Humor
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From the News of the Weird: * Unclear on the Concept: In January, Bamrer Pong-insee, a spokesman for the Professional Comedians Association of Thailand, said its members will soon be prohibited by rule from being impolite on stage. Especially barred are obscene language, physical humor in which pain is implied, and being disrespectful to a colleague's parents. In reading the above, I realized that in order for the policy to work properly there will have to be penalties for audience members who laugh at inappropriate (illegal?) humor. A suitable agency will have to be formed to enforce these new regulations. Soon the Laughing Police will be no laughing matter. Politicians will be falling all over each other to show the voters that they are "hard on crime" and will eventually call for the death penalty for violators. (Sending them to the Laughing-Gas chamber.) SeriousMonger {I tried to make it in comedy, but everyone laughed at me.}

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Re: The Grand Compromise is Coming
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>By the way, I have no heard no good counters to my point that the "use of >crypto in furtherance of a crime" is quite analogous to "freedom of >religion shall not be abridged, but saying a heathen prayer in furtherance >of a crime shall subject the heathen to an additional five years of >imprisonment." Two differences: Saying a prayer, heathen or not, does not make the commision of the crime easier. Using a gun, or using crypto, does. Saying a prayer can be done in complete privacy and silence, making it impossible to tell whether someone is doing it. Using crypto generally involves some outward evidence. It is not all in your head. If some form of prayer were invented which did not have these properties, then it might be forbidden. The Marinsha prayer, shouted with the appropriate intensity, paralyzes the hearer for several minutes. Robberies have become common using this method. Making the Marinsha prayer illegal in all circumstances is too broad, but criminalizing it for use in the commision of a crime would be a plausible response.

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It ain't over till the fatman burns...
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Bradley wrote: > > > I still am concerned about kids being subject to material that is > > inappropriate for their age group (what ever that may be). So how do I > > insure that my son/daugher does not get their hands on _THIS_ material? > > Supervision, plain and simple. However, if you honestly believe your > children are going to be harmed in some lasting way by any images they > might find there is clearly something wrong with the way you have brought > them up Good, strong beatings will also help to deter them from doing things that they find interesting or pleasurable. This will help to reinforce the concept that things which feel good lead to pain and punishment. Pictures of people burning in hell can be put in prominent places in the home, with constant verbal reminders that God will punish bad people who have different values than you. It is particularly important to impress on your daughter that she must keep her head covered at all times and never look a strange man in the eye or allow her ankles to show. Remind her that, as much as you love her, you will still be forced to join in stoning her to death if she choses to stray outside acceptable social standards. Impress upon your son that if he wants to have sex with teenage girls under the age of 18 he must move to a foreign country where he can receive millions of dollars in foreign aide while he does so. Explain that if he has sex with his teenage girlfriend in this country that he is an evil person and will be convicted as a sex offender (which will delay their wedding plans) and be marked for life as a child molester. Most important of all, carefully explain to your children that if their gaze ever happens to fall upon material which you find unacceptable that they will end up being murdering, drug-dealing pornographers because they are immoral dupes with no character or self-will. Use Paul and myself as examples of where libertarian thinking leads, in the end. After all, he is writing from DEMON.co.uk and I am writing from LUCIFER(a)dhp.com. If you are concerned about what your children may encounter on the internet that will expose their lack of character and morals, there is a program available that is even better than Cybersitter. It was sent to the list by fuck(a)yourself.up a few months ago. Check the archives for it or ask the cypherpunks list's on-call librarian, Tim C. May, how to find it. FlameMonger

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Re: Comparing Cryptographic Key Sizes II
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>I can assure you >that in moving from a 1024 bit key to a 4096 bit key, the attackers >job is well in excess of 50x harder. Greatly in excess of a trillion >trillion times harder. First part true, second part false. See Schneier, p.160. Extrapolating using GNFS factoring indicates ratio of 1E21. If SNFS factoring becomes possible it is much worse, ratio less than one million.

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Re: New Laws in Oregon - "Land of the Legal betatest"
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ryan Anderson wrote: > We've got a relatively decent style of government here. Sure, as long as you don't step out of line, like at Kent State or Waco, or at the Democratic convention in Chicago. Any style of government is "relatively decent" if you don't rock the boat. Buy a fucking clue... Putting a "Fuck Clinton" sign in your front yard in America probably won't bring significantly different results than if one had put a "Stalin Sucks" sign up during his reign. I also doubt if our body count is significantly different than that of Stalin, either. If we all just keep our mouths shut as our rights and freedoms are stripped from us one by one, then we will have a "relatively decent" journey into oppression. ClueMonger

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tacdfipsfkmi: What the gov't wants
by fudman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What the government wants in a key recovery system. And, ummm: doesn't Benaloh work for Microsoft? >From ... Minutes of the February 19-20, 1997 Meeting of the Technical Advisory Committee to Develop a Federal Information Processing Standard for the Federal Key Management Infrastructure 2. Security Models working group chaired by Dr. Brickell. Dr. Benaloh was asked to give their report in Dr. Brickells absence. Dr. Benaloh said that there was a good deal of overlap between the requirements and framework groups and they are trying to separate the two. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He stated that from what the agencies presented, they are looking for a flexible mandatory standard, covering both stored and transmitted data, for commercially available off-the-shelf products. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A major issue noted was the matter of flexibility. The standard must be broad enough to allow products to be developed by anyone. The scope of this working group was stated by Mr. Chokhani as identifying things such as key recovery agents, TTPs, two entity systems, integrity, authorization of keys, confidentiality of information, and accountability, especially of key recovery agents.

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Shell cancels all but $25 pre-paid cards
by Brad Dolan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

About 6 months ago, Shell introduced pre-paid cards in $25, 50 and 100 denominations which could be used to ~anonymously pay for gas at the pump. Suddenly, Shell has withdrawn all but the nearly-pointless $25 cards. Security problems? Complaints from the Freehdom usurpers? Inquiring minds want to know.

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Re: Flag Burning...
by David Downey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>You Crazy Americans . . . I dont think anyone else in the world >>would >>give a fuck someone burnt their countries flag, certainly not in >>Australia. What is it about your country? >>My friend is a New Zealander. When she was in school for a short >>while in America, she was beaten up for not reciting the "Pledge of >>Allegiance" in class everymorning. >>Pete Nicol >>Global Media Magnet >>nicol(a)iap.net.au ==================================================================== Although I agree that the U.S flag should not be burned (and yes I am also a veteran having served 8 years in the U.S Armed Forces), I can see other floks points in allowing the flag to be burned. I will never support it, yet since I served to keep the ability to choose a freedom that we enjoy, I do not oppose that sentiment. As to the Aussie that asked what the "fuck" we Americans give about whether or not our flag is burnt obviously does not understand how deep the grain of patriotism runs in American blood. It is something anomolous to riding a Harley. If we have to explain it to you, you wouldn't understand. In my mind it shows how little value the Aussies (or at least this particular one) place on their solidarity as a nation and belief in their own country. I place a HIGH value on my country and countrymen. (women too :-) ) That is why I get so upset when I see the degradation that is eating this country alive. All the values that made this country as powerful and great as it is are slowly being rotted away by some sort of malignant cancer that I can not fathom. I understand that The Cleavers are a concept that can never truly be lived up to, yet even if we came as close as Family Ties, I'd be happy! Some folks say that this is a symptom of too much freedom. I am inclined to agree to a certain extent, we Americans seem to have lost the ability to control ourselves and severely overindulge our whims sometimes. Yet, that is something that we have fought long and hard for, losing many a brother, father, sister, mother, uncle, aunt, and so on. Let me ask you this? Why are there so many individuals from other countries killing themselves to come live here, like the Cambodians, Vietnamese, Russians, and such? I'll tell you why. Because this country has potential, and strength. What strentgh? The strength of it's countrymen. The strength of ideals that are worth living and fighting for. Privacy is one of those ideals. That is why this channel exists! To unite us together, to try to stop the loss of one of the central themes to America. The ability to be private. To maintain a sense of individualism not found in many, many parts of the world. We stand together for the right to be human! For the right to be individuals, not clones! I for one, shall never be a clone. Neither government nor fellow human shall force me to bend my knee in deference, when that deference has not been earned. The government is trying to do that right now. That is why they are trying to take our privacy, if the know all that goes on, then control is easier. Whether through fear or through willingness, they do not care. They only want control. And we can not, should not, and many will not allow that to happen! I have seen what happens in countries where total control over their people has been achieved. The results are not pretty. Listen, Look, Learn, Aussie! You just might understand!! David Downey Case(a)EarthCorp.com digital_matrix(a)hotmail.com http://www.earthcorp.com/case I am a human first, an American 2nd, and free most of all! --------------------------------------------------------- Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ---------------------------------------------------------

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Crypto News
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

25 June 1997: A Canadian company claims it has a unique product that can spur acceptance of biometric encryption. The Touchstone device, from Mytec Technologies Inc. of Toronto, includes a patented technology called Bioscrypt-a coded key or personal identification number that can be decoded only when the user's finger slides across a scanner. Mytec says it adds a layer of security to the fingerprint scanning methods typical at other vendors. "What we do is slide a finger across a scanner, which takes the information in the finger pattern and allows it to descramble the encrypted key," said George Tomko, chairman and co-founder of Mytec. The finger itself becomes essentially an encryption key and can be used in place of a personal identification number at a keyboard, automated teller machine, telephone, or to scramble data over the Internet. "With this kind of technology, everyone's finger is a potential encryption key," said Mr. Tomko. ---------- NetDox, Inc. today announced that the U.S. Department of Commerce has granted export approval for NetDox ePackage, a secure Internet document delivery service. This makes NetDox the first U.S. company authorized to offer businesses a global digital delivery service protected by 128-bit encryption over the Internet without providing clear text access to key recovery agents. ---------- The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. decided Tuesday not to regulate stored-value cards. ---------- Two long reports on Netscape/Verisign's and Microsoft's approval for 128-bit products export. ---------- Above reports in full: http://jya.com/cn062597.txt ---------- For those who've not seen it we offer the bill introduced on June 19 by Representative Markey, "The "Communications Privacy and Consumer Empowerment Act": http://jya.com/hr1964.txt It has a provision for data security and pre-emption of government regulation of domestic encryption.

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The value of free speech...
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> "Philip A. Mongelluzzo" <phimon(a)ix.netcom.com> writes: > > > How do we deal with child pornography and free speech in such a way > > as to allow both to exist and insure our children are not exposed to > > pornographic material until they are at a maturity level where they > > can deal with it? > > > A battle that must be won without killing the enemy to > > insure continued free speech. Quite a challenge I think. Now, do > > you have any idea how to do that? When I was twelve years old a man stepped out of the proverbial dark alley in my small hometown and offered me twenty dollars to give him a blow-job. I said no. In retrospect, if he had offered me a thousand dollars, I might have recognized the value of free speech at a much earlier age than I eventually did. Also, my parents used to let me go to out-of-town hockey games with other kids and Father Flanigan, admonishing me, "Don't let him stick his hand in your pants." I didn't. Today's world may seem more dangerous, with a greater chance of children's contact with unknown entities/weirdos, but I find it hard to believe that there is greater saftey to be had by keeping children ignorant of information that goes beyond this or that boundary of morality/integrity/world-view/lifestyle. If your children see a picture of a young child with a dick in his or her mouth and don't see anything wrong with it, then I don't think the problem is with the picture. TruthMonger TruthMonger

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One Ryder Truck--One Vote
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greg Broiles wrote: > Many of the exhortations to the > public consist mostly of "Hey! Get involved! Vote!", even where this > passive "voting" stuff created the very problems which led to the > exhortations. Voting is the new Catch-22/Damned if you do, damned if you don't, etc, etc. It's time for a new non-candidate that is a cross between Pat Paulsen ("If elected, I will not serve.") and Abby Hoffmean ("Steal This Book."). My inclination is for a candidate named "Fuck You!", but I'm sure someone else can come up with a more creative candidate. (Q: "If elected, what will you do for me?" / A: "Fuck You!") > Sure, let's write memes. But let's write memes that encourage people to > solve their own problems and avoid the use of unnecessary force. Of course, in the real world even the use of the minimum force necessary will probably result in damage to windows in buildings adjoining the Congressional and Senate buildings. Me Again "Hard Weapons, Soft Targets, No Compromise."

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Re: The Grand Compromise is Coming
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > And, as many of us have noted, what is there to compromise about? If one > has religious freedom, for example, and a series of laws are proposed or > passed to limit this religious freedom in some way, what kind of compromise > is even remotely acceptable? I would wager that the number of drug dealers who own Bibles is much greater than the number who own strong crypto. Why is there no proposed legislation regarding use of the Bible in commission of a crime? > (By the way, I have no heard no good counters to my point that the "use of > crypto in furtherance of a crime" is quite analogous to "freedom of > religion shall not be abridged, but saying a heathen prayer in furtherance > of a crime shall subject the heathen to an additional five years of > imprisonment." This is why I think the "use of a special language or > whispering in furtherance of a crime" provisions of SAFE will probably be > struck down by the Supremes, unless they, too, have forgotten what the > Constitution is all about.) Ebonics has to be a natural candidate for pleading this to the Supremes. Ebonics means that a black arrested by a white undercover officer would get an extra five years over the sentence of a black arrested by a 'brother'. How about five years for calling a drug "Mary Jane" when writing it down, four years for "marijuana", three and a half years for "marihuana" and six months for "Cannibus Sativa." Calling it simply "Killer shit, man!" would be acceptable. Double jeapordy is a fact of life these days with the plethora of "commission of a crime during the commission of a crime" laws and the "conspiracy to commit the crime which was committed" laws, as well, I presume, as coming "intention to conspire to commit what later became a crime" laws. Expansion of concepts beyond their originally intended boundaries works both ways, however, as when the citizen finally decides to regard "Do you support the overthrow of the government by (1)force or (2)violence?" as a multiple-choice question. {As a matter of fact, that would make a damn fine "poll" to put before the American people.} The North Poll > The First Amendment is all we need to speak in the language of our > choosing, including the languages of whispers, Talegu, Navajo, pig latin, > coded signals, and 4000-bit RSA. > > We don't need any "reaffirmations" of this basic right, at least not from > Congress. > > --Tim May > > There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. > Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" > ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- > Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, > tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero > W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, > Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. > "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Internet knuckle-dragging from the New York Times
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Declan McCullagh wrote: > > It was the New York Times, which had front-paged a scaremongering > above-the-fold article by Christopher Wren: > http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/062097drug.html > > Then the Boston Globe's technology reporter, Hiawatha Bray, leaped in... > > Every time a journalist > writes a story about the seamier side of the Net, somebody complains that > this will give outsiders the wrong idea. Nonsense. I think what really > worries you is that such stories give people the RIGHT idea--that there are > sex fiends, dope smokers and would-be Unabombers on-line. Well, there > are. And as long as there are, journalists will write about the fact. "And when somebody's mother gets machine-gunned in the street, we'll send some joker with a Brownie (camera) so you'll see it all complete." - Frank Zappa, "I Am the Slime" (That crawls out of your TV set) A person unfamiliar with technology might have trouble knowing if they have hit the correct button to switch from the "snuff-flick" video they were watching to the news channel. Take pity on the Times and the Globe. After all, they have to compete with headlines such as "I Cut Out My Baby's Heart and Stomped On It!" (National Enquirer) for the public's hard-earned dollars. As far as Bray's view that journalists know the RIGHT idea of how things should be viewed, I would be the last one to suggest that he is a FUCKING FASCIST JOURNA-PROPA-GANDIST who attributes RIGHT ways of viewing an issue as a divine right of journalists. Most journalists are similar to lawyers, it may be their job to take one stance/view today and another one tomorrow. If Timothy McVeigh's actions had resulted in sweeping government changes which led to the halting of all government abuses, then we might be seeing stories reflecting McVeigh's regrets about the children present. {cut to picture of Timothy playing with neighbor's child} Journalists have to maintain a facade of self-importance in order to be able to live with the fact that the eloquent expose they have worked on for a month might get thrown in the crapper if Elvis is spotted on the internet shortly before press time. TruthMonger

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NYT article on Kerrey bill (LONG)
by Ariel Glenn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Encryption Bill Would Restrain Next Generation of the Internet By PETER WAYNER The users of the next generation of the Internet will be forced to turn over the keys to their encrypted computer data to government authorities if a bill currently before the Senate passes. Senator Bob Kerrey, the Nebraska Democrat who cosponsored the measure, said in an interview Monday that the bill would require that the authorities be able to recover such keys in the next generation network, called Internet 2, an advanced, high-speed research project that is being carried out in more than 100 universities across the country. The bill does not mention Internet 2 specifically but simply refers to data traveling on all networks created "with the use of Federal funds for transaction of government business." Users of the current Internet would have the freedom to choose whether to notify the authorities of the keys. Key recovery is a controversial proposal aimed at giving fast access to encrypted data to the branches of the government responsible for law enforcement and national defense. These branches worry that widely deployed, easy-to-use encryption technology will make it simple for criminals and terrorists to cloak their communications and make it impossible for the police to use surveillance to gather evidence. Others, including computer scientists, civil libertarians and even some law enforcement officials, worry that such a proposal would concentrate too much power in the key recovery centers and that this makes the nation vulnerable to both attack by terrorists and abuse by those entrusted with the power. A government-approved key-recovery system, as imagined by the bill, would be created by an organization that would store the keys to unlock the data encrypted by members of the organization. It could be either a corporation, a university or a group of private citizens. The key recovery official for the organization, known as the "agent," would be responsible for decrypting the data and providing a "plaintext" version to the police in response to a subpoena, a court order, a warrant or a letter from an attorney general. The bill would remove the civil and criminal liability from the agents for responding to such queries but would impose penalties of up to $100,000 on those who fail to comply. The bill, called the Kerrey/McCain act after its sponsors, Kerrey and John McCain, the Arizona Republican who is chairman of the Commerce Committee, is officially known as the Secure Public Networks Act. It would require all new federally financed networks or computer systems to use government-approved key-recovery technology. The Internet 2 is a cooperative effort involving 109 universities to build a demonstration version of a very-high-speed Internet in order to aid scientific research and to push the state of network technology. Its current embodiment is financed by a mixture of grants from the National Science Foundation and President Clinton's Next Generation Internet initiative. The greatest problem facing the users of Internet 2 and other future federally financed networks will be defining where the government control begins and where it ends. In the interview, Kerrey admitted that this was a challenging problem and said that the government must be flexible in determining the answer. His legislation would create an Information Security Board that would ultimately be responsible for tuning the application of the law. "The law is written so we can get regular look-backs and decide what's not working," he said. "We know the current law isn't right. So let's change the law and get some good flexibility." The current law controls only the export of encryption technology. People in the United States have been free to use encryption to protect their secrets since before the days of the American Revolution. Thomas Jefferson, for instance, dabbled in cryptography and even personally specified the encryption system to be used by Lewis and Clark in their expedition. For this reason, Senator Kerrey expects that people will challenge the constitutionality of his bill, but he says that his office is working hard to ensure that they get the bill right the first time. The law could run afoul of the First Amendment to the Constitution, which prohibits the "abridging of the freedom of speech." Requiring people to speak in a form that is understandable by the government in order to participate in government-financed network might be considered an abridgment. Donald Haines, legislative counsel of the American Civil Liberties Union said, "It's like asking: 'Can you make it illegal to commit a crime in French?' " A more likely challenge may come from the Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments. The United States government has treated encryption technology as munitions in order to control its export. The Second Amendment, however, guarantees the right to "keep and bear arms." The Fourth Amendment guarantees "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures." It is not clear how a court would view the requirement that a citizen disclose his or her encryption key to a key-recovery agent in order to participate in the next generation of the Internet. On one hand, the agent would act as an intermediary who would only disclose the data to the government in response to a valid request. On the other, the requirement for disclosure before any warrant is issued might be seen as a violation of the Fifth Amendment, which prohibits the possibility that someone "be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself." More obscure challenges may emerge from the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. The Tenth Amendment reserves "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution" to either the individual states or the people. Representative Bob Goodlatte, a Virginia Republican and a sponsor of competing legislation in the House, asserts that Kerrey's bill is unconstitutional and that it amounts to a "dramatic erosion of the people's rights" to allow access to someone's data without the oversight of a court. He points out that Kerrey bill would allow foreign governments to request access to anyone's files in the United States through the office of the Attorney General. To a large extent, the constitutional question may depend upon just how voluntary the key-recovery process turns out to be. The current draft of the bill contains language that explicitly guarantees that participation in the program is voluntary, but it then enumerates all the conditions under which federal financing will make it mandatory. The first to feel the requirements will be universities and colleges, because they rely heavily on government financing. Kerrey said he remained willing to consider any language that would help give the universities the flexibility they need to continue to do research effectively, but added that he remained committed to pushing key-recovery technology. Some members of the university community expressed doubt that any compromise would be possible. Gregory A. Jackson, the associate provost of the University of Chicago and a member of the Internet 2 steering committee, said that the record-keeping burden would be onerous and that the gains would be to slim when measured against the cost. "I can understand the FBI's point," Jackson said. "There are times when we want access to some communications on campus and we can't get it." In his work at the University of Chicago and in his previous job at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Jackson said, he was often called on to deal with disciplinary problems involving misuse of the campus networks. "We had to use different leverage over people on campus," he said. "Ultimately, the FBI is probably going to reach the same conclusion." Besides, Jackson said, it is virtually impossible even to define what encryption is. While the law requires that the key-recovery agents deliver "plaintext," it is impossible to control how people speak or what data they exchange. He went on to predict that the Internet 2 project would find a way to migrate into a completely private entity if it became necessary to avoid government regulation. "Even the most optimistic estimates of what the federal contribution will be are still a small fraction of the costs of Internet 2," he said. "It's serious money, and its important for making it go forward quickly, but it's not the lion's share." George Cybenko, a professor at Dartmouth, said that his use of the Internet 2 could drop to simple e-mail and Web browsing because of the overhead imposed by keeping track of the keys. "If someone shows up and says, 'This packet came out of your office at 4 p.m. What does it mean?' it will be a nightmare," Cybenko said. Many of the new uses of the Internet involve packing new and different forms of communication into complicated data structures. Determining the difference between data that are encrypted and data that are merely unconventional is difficult and could lead to problems. Some Internet correspondents have predicted that the FBI will be able to find a Senator to add an amendment to Kerrey's bill to make key recovery mandatory for all Americans. Kerrey himself suggested that this amendment may be offered by the Judiciary committee or on the floor of the Senate in coming weeks. On Wednesday, the Senate Judiciary committee will begin holding meetings to investigate the technology. Some expect that the committee chairman, Senator Orrin Hatch, Republican of Utah, will offer his own version of the legislation. In the House, however, a different story continues to unfold. Goodlatte has sponsored his SAFE legislation (Security and Freedom through Encryption) that would relax export controls and not require key-recovery provisions for anyone. His bill would deal with the problem of criminals hiding their actions by extending the sentences of anyone who uses encryption in furtherance of a felony. His legislation has enjoyed wide, bipartisan support. Cosponsors range from conservative Republicans like Tom DeLay of Texas, to liberal Democrats like Maxine Waters of California. In the last two days, six more members of the House have signed on as co-sponsors, bringing the total to 131. Copyright 1997 The New York Times Company ----- Ariel Glenn / AcIS R&D / Columbia University ariel(a)columbia.edu #include <stddisclaimer.h>

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