December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Where are another cypherpunk
by Nobuki Nakatuji 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Information Security Policies
by scannmann＠nevwest.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Checklist
by Daniel Colpi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greetings and Salutations, A few days ago, I asked for help in making a step by step list on how to "copy" OpenBSD from one computer to another. Well I got a few answers, but many people wanted me to post this list when I was done. So this is it, a mindless checklist of everything I did to "convert a DEC 3100 to the Dark Side" If you can think of something I have missed, please throw me an e-mail. Thanks Daniel Colpi colpi(a)purdue.edu ====================================================================== So, you want another OpenBSD computer hu? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ (assuming same disk setup, target is disk #0, and source is disk #1) (also assuming rrz0a -> / ; rrz0c -> swap rrz0d -> /usr ; rrz0e ->/usr/target ) (Note: I am on a /bio backbone, this isn't going to be the same for you) (Note: /bio/scratch3 is a temp space that I can write to) ___Save Files ___dump root to scratch (just in case) -->% dump -0f /bio/scratch3/dump /dev/rrz0a ___/etc/passwd --> % mv /etc/passwd /bio/scratch3/passwd.target ___/etc/crontab ___any self created scripts you made to run with crontab ___/etc/fstab ___/usr/local/etc/mk-exports ___/etc/export.hosts ___/etc/export.fs.[n] (if you have a drive that is set up the way you want for target machine, you might want to save it to a file to save you some time) (Note: you might want to do this on a machine that is already converted) ___save your partition list -->% disklabel -r /dev/rrz1a >> temp_part % mv temp_part /bio/scratch3 ___Shut down target ___Connect source drive ___Make sure drives are jumpered not to conflict (target=>0 ; source=>1) ___Plug in and power up ___Make sure clock is right time (some old computers lose some time) ___Make sure you see both drives (ie drive 1 & drive 0) ___Run disklabel (I had drouble labeling the disk, but this worked) -->% disklabel -r /dev/rrz1a >> temp % disklabel -B -R /dev/rrz0a temp % disklabel -e /dev/rrz0a ___ / = _______________ ___ swap = ____________ ___ /usr = ____________ / ______________ (target / source) (remove src if desired) ___ /usr/target = _______________ (if you have a "cookie-cut" version you can just:) -->% disklabel -B -R /dev/rrz0a /bio/scratch3/temp_part ___Run newfs -->% newfs /dev/rrz0[ad] ___Transfer files --->% mount /dev/rz0a /mnt % cd /mnt % df -k . (make sure enough room) % df -k / % dump 0f - /dev/rrz1a | restore -rf - % rm restoresystable (if you don't do this you'll be sorry) % cd / % umount /mnt % mount /dev/rz0d /mnt ---+ % cd /mnt | % df -k . | Repeate this % dump 0f - /dev/rrz1d | restore -if - | section if restore > add [all dir's you want to keep] | needed restore > extract | on restore > set owner/mode for /./? [yn] n | other restore > quit | partitions (Note: it will say "DUMP not completed" if you | did not restore everything. This is not a bad | thing, ignore it) | % rm restoresystable (might not be there) | % cd / | % umount /mnt ---+ ___Configure (BE CAREFUL to configure /mnt/etc NOT /etc !!!!) ___mount /usr --->% mount /dev/rz0d /mnt ___remove /mnt/etc/npt.drift ___make dir /mnt/usr/preserve ___replace all scripts made to be run by crontab ___move /bio/scratch3/mk-exports /mnt/usr/local/etc/mk-exports ___umount /mnt ___mount / --->% mount /dev/rz0a /mnt ___replace rest of scripts to be used by crontab ___move /bio/scratch3/export.hosts /mnt/etc/export.hosts ___move /bio/scratch3/export.fs.[n] /mnt/etc/export.fs.[n] ___hostname ___/mnt/etc/hostname.le1 ___/mnt/etc/exports (or run /usr/local/etc/mk-exports) ___/mnt/etc/hosts (change IP number too) ___/mnt/etc/myname ___/mnt/etc/rc (maybe not if (flavor == vanilla)) ___/mnt/etc/mygate ___/mnt/etc/passwd ___/usr/local/bin/tcsh (OpenBSD doesn't come with tcsh) ___reconfigure passwd file (for correct format) __ % mv /bio/scratch3/passwd.target /mnt/etc/passwd.orig same / % nawk -F: ' { print $1 FS $2 FS $3 FS $4 "::0:0:" $5 FS \ line \__ $6 FS $7 } ' /mnt/etc/passwd.orig >> /mnt/etc/passwd % pwd_mkdb -c /mnt/etc/passwd % pwd_mkdb -d /mnt/etc/ /mnt/etc/passwd % pwd_mkdb -d /mnt/etc/ -p /mnt/etc/passwd % chmod 600 /mnt/passwd.orig ___do you want permissive /mnt/root/.rhosts (bilbo root ; gimli root) ___how about cooperative /mnt/etc/ttys (%s/network/network secure) ___if your source machine boots off disk 1 and target boots off disk 0, you need to make sure the correct kernal is at /mnt/bsd ___umount /mnt ___Power down ___Remove source drive ___Correct jumpers if nessary ___Power up ___Before starting OpenBSD at Boot Ram type: >> printenv >> setenv bootpath rz(0,0,0)/bsd ___Boot off of target disk ___restore user file system --->% cd /usr/target % rsh bilbo ls /usr/amanda/\* __ (now in order) same / % rsh bilbo cat /usr/amanda/target.date.[0->(n-1)] \ line \__ < /dev/null | resore -rf - (now when done with above loop (IN ORDER!!!!!)) % rm restoresystable ___recreate crontab --->% crontab -e ___Checks ___ping source machine (to make sure not same IP addresses) ___run ntpq -p ___finger @localhost ___finger @target ___cd into /bio/scratch3/ ___run date ___telnet to target from another machine ___ftp one file from another machine ___cd to /bio/target from another machine ___Go home early Nessary Tools: =============== Screwdrivers (if internal drives) Postit-notes (for keeping drives straight) One hell of a lot of coffee

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Re: Documentation
by Charlie Root 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >In the coming weekend, I'll be updating the newuser FAQ > >(for things like PPP and 2.2). I'm sure a post-install checklist would be > >a welcome addition. > > > >B U T . . . . > > > >Not everyone runs things like Kerberos or DNS. Keep in mind that many > >people use OpenBSD for many things and in many environs. The OpenBSD setup > >on my firewall at the office is much different than the Sparc, Alpha, and > >P5/133 I run it on at home. The setup on my router machine at home is also > >much different than the other machines in my house. There are ways people > >have setup OpenBSD on embeded systems to do things like manage the > >fuel/air mix ratio on their Corvettes (OK, one person I know of planned > >that, but couldn't get the financing for the car...) I hope that draws the > >picture. > > > >As for the verification after install, that is sort of "auto-manditory"-- > >if a filesystem isn't mounted right, /etc/fstab has to be checked out. If > >the network doesn't work, the network files must be examined to "make it > >go." As oopposed to attacking this as a checklist, how about it is > >attacked as "If networking doesn't work, check hostname.(interface)"-- but > >there is more to that then just files in /etc (boot -c in order to > >reconfigure hardware addresses) > > As a user of OpenBSD, and having tried to manage projects with it for > implementation of added features for customers...I could not agree with > the above position. > > You see, if you are ALREADY familiar with OpenBSD then you will most likely > know exactly what to do when installing and seting up a system. New User's > Notes / Installation Checklist's will most likely be ignored by you. > > However, if you are brand new to the system, then an Installation / Setup > Checklist (a good one) will prove to be essential. Wouldn't it be great if > just about every post to these groups from a new user was one like "..hey! > This OpenBSD thingy works great! The installation was a snap!.." or something > like that. We all know that hardly happens now...but, it could..... > > I, for one, believe strongly that a good 'Overview', 'Setup Notes' and 'Installation > Checklist' must somehow find it's way into the distribution. It is also clear > that the machine / arch specific differences will require unique versions > for each. I completly agree with you. Just anoze topic that i can add is installation procedure,especially disk partitoning. It's a very dungerous/important procedure but it's description ins INSTALL.i386 is a bit too short and need examples(espcially). Something like - "Imagine we have disk with such and such patitions and now we want to install OpenBSD here & there so we should... It would'be _very_ helpfull. BTW, does anybody work on installation software ? Something like in FreeBSD/RedHat ? Alexey Pialkin

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Collisions
by Daniel Colpi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greetings and Salutations, Does anyone know of where I can get some sort of window to "catch" all of the system mess. while xdm is running? There are a lot of collisions that happen, and they mess up the screen with error mess. The people who use these computers assume the this is broke. Any ideas? Thanks, Daniel Colpi colpi(a)purdue.edu

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pro-crypto govt. people
by Stanton McCandlish 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This year I recall seeing 1 former prosecutor saying that widespread encryption was good and/or that GAK was bad, and 1 military or former military person of fairly high status saying that GAK was bad. Circa 1994-5 I also recall a military or retired miltiary person of rank reporting that very widespread crypto would be a boost to national security. We could really use these people's, and similar people's, words in pro-crypto efforts. Unfortunately, disk problems a while back cost me most of my old mail, including all of these saved items. If anyone has them and/or knows who these people are, please let me know. -- Stanton McCandlish mech(a)eff.org Electronic Frontier Foundation Program Director http://www.eff.org/~mech +1 415 436 9333 x105 (v), +1 415 436 9333 (f) Are YOU an EFF member? http://www.eff.org/join

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Bernstein case update: Government appeal brief filed
by John Gilmore 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The government has filed its 81-page "brief" with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Bernstein case. They argue that the export controls are "constitutionally permissible", that they are not a facially unconstitutional prior restraint on publication, and that the District Court gave Prof. Bernstein "too broad" relief by declaring the law and regulations unconstitutional and partially enjoining their enforcement. The brief has been scanned in as page images, and is at: http://www.eff.org/pub/Legal/Cases/Bernstein_v_DoS/Legal/970116_appeal_brie… Prof. Bernstein's legal team will file its reply by November 10, the government will reply by November 17, the Court will hold a formal hearing sometime during the week of December 8, then the Court will issue its decision. John Gilmore Electronic Frontier Foundation

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Free Internet Seminar
by Jeremy Rusnock 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: what can we do about PGP sell out and CMR?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

You've got a lot of nerve accusing PGP, Inc. of being "sellouts" when you're over on open-pgp pushing KEY ESCROW, of all things. I can see it now, the new product name, "PGP with Key Escrow". Motto: "Lose your key? Don't worry, we've got a copy." Do you really think cypherpunks are going to support key escrow? Fat chance.

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finger
by Harry Hansen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Security flaws introduced by "other readers" in CMR
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Let's look a little closer at the kinds of access and notice available in the PGP system compared to alternatives. As several people have pointed out, no encryption system can provide protection against what is done with the message after it is decrypted. The receiver could share it with whoever he wants to, or whoever he is forced to. Consider the following scenarios: - An encrypted message is sent to someone at his workplace using current systems like PGP 2.6. - An encrypted message is sent to someone at his workplace, who is using the message access features of PGP 5.5. The corporation key is marked as "optional", and the message is not encrypted to that extra key. - An encrypted message is sent as before, but this time the message is encrypted to the corporate key. - An encrypted message is sent to someone at his workplace, who is using a different form of corporate access which relies on key escrow or automatic acquisition of cleartext. We agree that none of these systems can provide complete protection against third party access. In any of them, the receiver could be forced to turn over the encrypted message. But there is still a difference. In the first two scenarios, the expectation of privacy is the same. You are encrypting to a personal key at a business address, but you expect that you would know about it if the data were being provided to a third party. There is no widespread installed base of software which provides secret access after the message is decrypted. In fact, the second scenario arguably provides slightly more privacy than the first, which is what we have now. The reason is that in the second scenario, the company provides an optional mechanism for business mail to be recoverable, but also provides an explicit, sender-controlled escape clause. The company is granting an explicit expectation of privacy by allowing the corporate key recipient to be removed. With usage of older versions of PGP, there was really no way for the company to even inform the sender about whether it was going to be reading the mail. In the third scenario, where you encrypt to the corporate key, there is no expectation of privacy. All parties, the sender, the receiver, and the company, know that the data is being made available to the business. There is not much privacy here; what you have is business security. This mode would be used for business documents and business communications. In the fourth scenario, which some people are offering as a superior approach, the expectation of privacy is much less clear. Unlike in the current PGP approach, where the design of the corporate access system is oriented around notifying the sender and receiver, a key escrow or plaintext recovery system inherently provides no such notice. This is different from the status quo. We are talking about a commercial product which provides automatic corporate access to communications. Widespread installation and use of this alternate version of PGP inherently changes the assumptions and expectations that you will have when you encrypt to someone at work. Given the company's desire for message access, this approach implies that you must conservatively assume that most encryption to a business address will be read. The PGP system is designed to avoid this. It provides another method for corporate access, a visible and explicit method. It is intended as an alternative to key escrow and other systems which recovery data after the recipient gets it. PGP's third party recipient feature is designed to prevent the creation of an installed base of escrowed keys and after the fact third party access software. Even if the encryption system provides a way for the user to mark his keys as being escrowed or otherwise providing third party access, the system is not self-correcting in the way the PGP system is. It would be much easier for a business owner to pervert a secretive access system than one like PGP. The company could install the access features but not tell its employees that their keys were being escrowed, or that their mail client was secretly storing a copy of all plaintexts. This kind of change would be easy to make with the after-the-fact access systems some people are proposing. Yes, theoretically this can be done with any encryption system (as all agree) but the point is to avoid the widespread distribution of software which invites this kind of abuse. The PGP system is designed to satisfy business needs without leading us into this dangerous situation. A world in which third party encryption by the sender is the normal and widespread method for corporate access is one with increased privacy and more visibility of access. The alternatives which have been proposed are prone to abuse and provide less visibility. They lead us towards a world in which there is no expectation of privacy even for encrypted messages, by providing an installed base of snooping software. The PGP approach is explicitly designed to keep us out of that world, by removing the need for that kind of software.

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InfoWar Epilogue 3 (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet')
by I Am Not A Crook Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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InfoWar Epilogue 3 / TEXT
by I Am Not A Crook Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The True Story of the InterNet Part III InfoWar Final Frontier of the Digital Revolution Behind the ElectroMagnetic Curtain by TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Copyright 1997 Pearl Publishing ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- InfoWar Table of Contents * Epilogue * Gomez ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Epilogue ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Nun Other From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com On terrorists, one of the Four Horsemen. IS THE ASSAULT ON NATIVE INTELLIGENCE & GOOD WILL WE CALL THE EVENING NEWS ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN ACT OF TERRIORISM? What was the Gulf War but terrorism wearing the death mask of order?-- One big car bomb it was the guys who drove it are dying now one by one--ignored! Is acid rain a form of terrorism? (Think for yourself.) Is GATT or NAFTA anything but a pact among brigands--the World Bank, the IMP their backup men? How long before they fight over the spoils? Who'll do the fighting for them?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gomez Damn! Will these contemptuous, plebeian subalterns never learn? I will allow them to fight over the spoils! They will do the fighting for ME! It is I who am at the right hand of the Evil One. It is I who will bring the earth to submission under HIS dominion, with the Dark Allies by my side. The future is written! It is written! These foolish ants continue to struggle in vain, though the battle they persist in fighting was lost centuries ago. They can do no more than postpone the inevitable, at best ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The stage is set. My minions have their exits and their entrances, and I have, in my time, played many parts. The book-learners rail against sheep in wolves clothing, while I weave them all into patterns of my own design, like a weaver spinning her wool and intertwining it according to an already foreseen pattern. Like the Big Bad Wolf in Grandmother's bed, I sit at the head of the table from which they sup, laughing at the ragamuffin progeny of the human race as they tell me, "My, Big Brother, what big eyes you have." And what big teeth I havebut this Big Bad Wolf has already taken the axes out of the hands of most of the woodcutters, and the rest of their weapons shall be in my hands by the end of 1999. The mortal fools who live in the InfoWar weald of my Grand Scheme cannot see the forest for the trees as they fight their 'winning' battles one retreat at a time. I have turned their words on their head with NewSpeak, DoubleSpeak and SpinSpeak-I have turned their minds upside down by making all forms of disagreement with my Puppet Masters CrimeThink and CrimeSpeak. I have turned their world and their reality on its head, yet the simpletons are not capable of turning 1999 on its head and realizing that at the end of the millennial forest stands the Subtle Serpent which convinced Eve and Adam to eat the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil-the serpentine, autarchic Evil-1and Armageddon. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Please allow me to introduce myself" "I am An Evil FUD Disseminator To Be Named Later. "I will be your host for the rest of this chapter of 'InfoWar,' because I have the brass balls needed to tell you blatant lies about your future, and the future of humanity, because I know that it is now too late for human kind to save themselves, and that you desperately desire to hear, and believe, the lies I am about to tell you. "Nowback to our 'story.'" It is becoming increasingly obvious, to even the deaf, dumb and blind, that the Y2K (Year 2000) programming 'problem' has the potential to become a worldwide disaster. Is this an 'accident?' Is it the result of the laws of inertia, vis a vis human nature? Yesnow turn on the TV and go back to sleep. That's rightthe Y2K 'problem' has been known about for years, yet the finest minds in the arena of computer finance have not understood the true import of the problem until just recently. The major players of huge financial empires have been sitting on their butts, completely unaware of the possible scope of disaster that lies in wait at the turn of the century. And all because they are so terribly, terribly stupid. Yes, they are just now beginning to wake up and realize that their whole world may come crashing down around them if the Y2K problem is not properly dealt with. Bill Gates has been sitting back, thinking, "Damn. I may be out a hundred billion dollars before the fallout from this problem stops. Oh well, easy come, easy go." Financial institutions holding billions of dollars in hard assets have not even remotely considered the possibility that, if computers worldwide lose the ability to easily prove whom those assets truly belong to, well"We'll have this all sorted out soon, sir. 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The truth of the matter is, human nature is such that the operators of funeral parlors in Asia have been found to be paying hospital employees to surreptitiously murder patients whose family members are likely to use the operators services when their relatives die. However, people who can rule empires, perhaps even the world, by virtue of being a Sumo Dog in a world of kittens, would never dream of using their money, power and position to do so. The three-letter agencies that regularly violate all manner of their own country's laws, as well as the laws of other countries, and international law-the secret agents who trade in weapons and drugs to support their objectives, while imprisoning others who do so-the spooks who openly admit that they use their secret access to worldwide financial systems to manipulate and steal the Bad Guys money and bring them to ruin Well, lets just say that they are people with high moral values, and would never consider secretly preparing to take full advantage of the Y2K issue, while assuring those outside the loop that it is bit of a 'problem' that 'someone' will get around to taking care of, sooner or later. You can turn on the TV and see major financial institutions actively seeking the business of deadbeats or fools with hard assets. You can see a smiling man explaining that the company he represents loves you so gosh-darned much that their standard contract contains two 'gimmes'-that they will give you coupons which allow you to 'miss' two payments at your own convenience. "Yes folks, we are trying to help people who are likely to default on their loans because they believe the problems resulting from their bad financial habits will be solved by planning ahead for getting in above their heads." You can see ads telling you that Company B loves you so gosh-darned much that they will loan you up to 125% of your equity in your home. "We will even kiss you on the lips, to show our sincerity. " When we call in your loan, you will be advised of where you can kiss us." Trust methese people are not involved in a mad scramble to gain possession of as many hard assets as possible because they know something that you don't know The IRS, the Rockerfellers, the shadowy world figures who own and operate munitions factories in both, or all, countries involved in armed conflict, the patriots who sell ball-bearings to keep the war machines that are shooting at their sons and daughters operating Well, if there is great upheaval and disaster in the financial community, as well as in society itself, then these people will probably come to ruin, while your life just keeps getting better and better. In conclusion, I would like to assure you that if worldwide disaster suddenly looms as a result of a crisis caused by the Y2K 'problem,' that it will undoubtedly be a result of the evil conspiracies of drug dealers, pedophiles, terrorists, Saddam Hussein, and a Horseman to be named later. The 'good' news is that our saviors are waiting in the wings to rush to our rescue and save us from the Great Evilas long as your name is not on 'The List,' of course. {Hang on a second, I'll check} Gee pal, I'm afraid I have some rather bad news for you ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" "InfoWar (Part III of 'The True Story of the InterNet') Soviet Union Sickle of Eunuchs Secret WebSite ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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PGP Inc apology deal
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To reply to Jon Callas request for an apology for my rudeness, I'll offer a deal: - If I am unable to show you how to improve the GR (GAK resistance) of a system with a similar set of recovery properties to the CMR system; which replacement design is vialble to use in a typical corporate environment I will publically apologize for being rude, and for wasting your time. - If I am able to show you how to improve the GR (GAK resistance) of a system with a similar set of recovery properties to the CMR system which replacement design is vialble to use in a typical corporate environment, I _don't_ want an apology. I want something much more interesting: I want PGP Inc to implement and deploy it. - The group which will judge this process is PGP Inc. Do we have a deal? Adam -- Now officially an EAR violation... Have *you* exported RSA today? --> http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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re: consensus on pgp? can we consolidate for action?
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- after I mailed the rant, I thought maybe the paragraph below was incomplete: # of course, I may be presumptuous PGP would even want to hear # from us, let alone have any form of "Cypherpunks Inside" # (yuk) label on the box! particularly with the round robin # multi-teaming of the sleepless Jon Callas. # should have said ..."Cypherpunks Inside" label on the box: of course, they might it consider it preferable to being labeled: "Big Brother Inside" # # this has been an addendum to an attila rant... attila, out, again, one more time.... it aint over 'til the fat lady sings and vahalla is burning! "attila" sig: 1024/C20B6905/23D0 FA7F 6A8F 6066 BCAF AE56 98C0 D7B0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQCVAwUBNEZc+L04kQrCC2kFAQE1AwP/W+BJ+a2rGhTh90lnMqt8RZCTOtmpWYrl DMCQ+zojBnfRAkzZ/ethdnXYNgOlCRV/xWejMgOjLxlp3LDiAfzdgJM+u4ZCbZR3 Dvmkfs8uu8oK8E+3Ztb/H3XovXM6pxUtwoEaJKlOScBw2ypLFER3aZe1SVLnmDeb P9vIBbx5j+4= =NOox -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: CFV: comp.org.cauce moderated -- support privacy and anonymity
by Psycho Killer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > [This message has also been posted.] > [I am objecting to a proposal that seeks to ban one-way anonymous > remailers and other forms of unrepliable addresses such as spamblocked > addresses]. > Mozena>>But, what do you have against anonymity? > Mozena> > Mozena>Nothing. What right do you have, though, to force me and others to > Mozena>inconvenience ourselves so you can post anonymously or protect yourself > Mozena>from spam? I agree with Mozena. I like to hunt down and slaughter people who use the word 'reference' in their posts, and I'm getting damn tired of wasting my valuable time because some assholes want to remain anonymous. > The average American spends a total of six (6) months in prison. I always knew I was above average, and now I have *proof*. Psycho Killer "Qu'est que c'est?"

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Re: Liberal lawyer joke from Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #34
by jf_avon＠citenet.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 16 Oct 97 at 9:58,somebody wrote: > Research labs are increasingly replacing rats with lawyers. > > There are three reasons for this: > > 1. The lawyers are in abundant supply > 2. The lab workers do not develop any kind of emotional attachment to lawyers > 3. There are things you just can't get a rat to do.

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FBI allowed to keep file on New York man's lawful activities
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FBI allowed to keep file on New York man's lawful activities By LAURIE ASSEO Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - The Supreme Court today refused to order the FBI to purge its file on lawful activities by the former head of a charitable foundation. The court, without comment, turned away arguments that said the FBI is violating a federal privacy law by keeping a file about the man's years-ago meetings with foreign leaders and political dissidents. Lance E. Lindblom of Larchmont, N.Y., was president of the Chicago-based J. Roderick MacArthur Foundation from 1984 to 1994. The foundation supports civil liberties activities, and Lindblom's duties included meeting with foreign leaders and political dissidents. After filing a request with the FBI, Lindblom learned in 1989 that the bureau kept records that described his meetings with such people. Lindblom and the foundation sued the FBI in federal court in the District of Columbia, saying the 1974 federal Privacy Act required the bureau to purge those files. The law limits federal agencies' authority to keep records describing how people exercise their rights under the Constitution's First Amendment, including rights of free speech and association. Under the Privacy Act, agencies can keep such records only if it is authorized by another law or "within the scope of an authorized law enforcement activity." A federal judge ruled for the FBI, saying the files were compiled for legitimate law enforcement purposes. The investigations were not aimed at Lindblom or the foundation, but were aimed at the people with whom they met, the judge said. A federal appeals court agreed last December. Federal agencies can keep records they lawfully collected, the appeals court said, adding that a requirement to purge old files would be too burdensome. In the appeal acted on today, Lindblom's lawyers said agencies must separately justify the need to keep old records, even if they originally were lawfully collected. Keeping Lindblom's file increases the risk that it will be used illegally, his lawyers said, noting the 1996 controversy after it was found that the FBI files of 700 former White House employees had been sent to the White House. Justice Department lawyers said a requirement to purge old files would cause problems if the information later was needed for a new or reopened investigation. The case is Lindblom vs. FBI, 97-82. APTV-10-14-97 1020EDT

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Re: FCPUNX:proposal: commercial data recovery
by Eli Brandt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Will Price wrote: > In your model, the recipient automatically > decrypts and then re-encrypts to a data recovery key -- even though > end-user computers are likely to be insecure thus making this decrypt & > reencrypt step rather specious at best. The value of this security model escapes me -- if the receiver's machine is insecure, you lose, period. Please, let us assume that neither endpoint is controlled by an attacker. You are concerned that the recipient is re-encrypting with a key whose access characteristics are unknown to the sender. Now, for all the sender really knows, the recipient may be storing the message in the clear, or maybe putting it on a Times Square billboard. This is not a cryptographic failure. In your CMR system as well, the sender has no choice but to trust the recipient's integrity and data hygeine -- or to not send the message. The headers could contain a request as to the eventual disposition of the message, but there are never any guarantees. > As an actual data recovery system, it also fails fundamental tests. If I > encrypt critical data to a colleague wiping it from my system after > sending, then the colleague is incapacitated before receipt and processing > of the message, the data can never be retrieved. Forget bus-struck colleagues, think unreliable messaging -- if you do this and your e-mail is lost in transit, your "critical data" is lost. So don't do this. > A data recovery system > must solve this kind of issue -- data recovery here means that from > end-to-end the data is recoverable in case of emergency. One cannot ignore > message transit time in this -- it can take days for a message to travel > from AOL to the outside world. I'm not seeing how transit time figures in here. Are you proposing to bypass it by sending in an emergency team to acquire the in-transit message from the AOL machine room? If you find this practical, you can even retrieve an un-CMRed message by putting the recipient on this emergency team. But as I said, this situation should never be allowed to arise. Data recovery means you can get the data. It doesn't specify which copy you get decrypt. For reliable transmission over an unreliable medium, the sender must not destroy the original until receipt has been confirmed; for stored-data recovery, "receipt" involves appropriate re-encryption. (A reliable medium simply involves shoving all of this down into the messaging protocol.) So reliable transmission can support data recovery, from one end or the other, without message recovery. You might ask what happens if both endpoints are struck by meteorites. If the data is critically important, it will have been replicated off the sender's disk. The bottom line is that no such data can be trusted solely to an AOL mailserver (of all things). > If you don't need data recovery, don't use > it, but at least respect the people who do need it and need it to actually > work at all points. I'm no protocol designer, but I'd have more respect for this system if explanations for its necessity seemed to have been fully thought through. The issue of communications keys versus storage keys has been discussed before; I don't believe I'm raising any novel issues. Did PGP Inc. consider and reject stored-data recovery (if so, what were the good reasons?), or are we seeing a retroactive explanation here? -- Eli Brandt | eli+(a)cs.cmu.edu | http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~eli/ (on FCPUNX, cc'ed replies appreciated)

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Internet Tools For Your Business (fwd)
by Japhy Ryder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Liberal lawyer joke from Cdn-Firearms Digest V2 #34
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:26 PM -0700 10/16/97, jf_avon(a)citenet.net wrote: >On 16 Oct 97 at 9:58,somebody wrote: > >> Research labs are increasingly replacing rats with lawyers. >> >> There are three reasons for this: >> >> 1. The lawyers are in abundant supply >> 2. The lab workers do not develop any kind of emotional attachment to >>lawyers >> 3. There are things you just can't get a rat to do. Just a word: the "lawyer jokes" sent out recently are at least 10 years old. Calling them "liberal lawyer" jokes doesn't make them any fresher. I suggest original content, in the form of essays or analyses, is better than stale old lawyer jokes. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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No Subject
by Igor Chudov ＠ home 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Main banner rule SECRET SECURITY MESSAGES ON STAMPS CAN BE DECODED Postal Service Logo October 16, 1997 Web posted at: 3:39 p.m. EDT (1939 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- The post office is preserving a bit of nostalgia from an era when children saved cereal box tops for the secret decoder rings. The new decoder isn't a ring, but it does the job by revealing secret messages hidden on some U.S. postage stamps. "It was done primarily as a anti-counterfeit measure, but we knew that collectors of all kinds would enjoy it as an interesting design element as well," said postal spokesman Barry Ziehl. You normally can't see the hidden image, but the post office is selling decoders to interested people. For $4.95 collectors can get a special lens that reveals the hidden message when placed over the stamp. The first hidden image was on a 32-cent U.S. Air Force stamp issued in September. With the decoder, viewers can see the letters USAF repeated over and over across the face of the stamp. The decoder has to be turned slightly from side to side to get the image to appear. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * US Postal Service External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. Barnes and Noble Recommends Selected books on Postage Stamps Or find any book in print by keyword: ____________________ ______ _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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http:--www.cnn.com-TECH-9710-16-internet.subpoena.ap-
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Tech banner Tivoli systems and network management: The power to manage. Anything. Anywhere. Click here. rule SUBPOENA ISSUED FOR DATA BEHIND NEWSPAPER'S WEB SITE website October 16, 1997 Web posted at: 8:40 p.m. EDT (0040 GMT) VENTURA, California (AP) -- In what could be a legal first, the Ventura County Star has been subpoenaed by attorneys in a murder case for information about people who have used the newspaper's Internet site. The defense wants to determine whether the jury pool has been contaminated. The subpoena, which asks for unpublished e-mail and demographics of people who participated in an online survey about the case, explores new territory between legal protections for the media and a defendant's right to a fair trial, said Terry Francke, a media attorney with the California First Amendment Coalition. "This is very new, and I suspect the courts will be grappling with more and more of these types of requests from attorneys as the medium grows," Francke said Wednesday. The Internet site detailed the Diana Haun murder trial. Haun was convicted September 28 of conspiracy, kidnapping and murder in the slaying of Sherri Dally, her lover's wife -- an act prosecutors said was a human sacrifice birthday present. The penalty phase of Haun's trial is scheduled to begin Monday. The subpoena was served this week by James Farley, the attorney for Haun's lover and alleged co-conspirator Michael Dally. His trial is set to begin November 24. Jurors will be bused to Ventura from adjoining Santa Barbara County. The Internet site stretches beyond the newspaper's circulation area in Ventura County, possibly contaminating jury pools in Santa Barbara County, said Len Newcomb, an investigator for Farley. "The media decided to make this a high-profile case and decided they wanted to reach a vast number of people," Newcomb said. "And the worst-case scenario is that we won't be able to find jurors who don't already have strong biases." Newcomb has filed subpoenas on 56 news organizations from Los Angeles to San Luis Obispo, requesting unpublished reader, listener and viewer response to the Haun coverage. The latest subpoena unquestionably invades legally protected discourse between readers and their newspapers, said Timothy J. Gallagher, the Ventura newspaper's editor. "I don't have a problem providing information to defense attorneys that has already appeared in the newspaper, or in this case online, but beyond that there's a privileged relationship between newspapers and readers," Gallagher said. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * Ventura County Star + Subpoena covers new legal ground + Coverage of the Haun murder trial External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Watch these shows on CNN for more sci-tech stories: CNN Computer Connection | Future Watch | Science & Technology Week rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] Tivoli systems and network management: The power to manage. Anything. Anywhere. Click here. rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Re: Internet Tools For Your Business (fwd)
by Japhy Ryder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

----- Forwarded message from Graham-John Bullers ----- >From real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca Thu Oct 16 21:11:54 1997 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 20:11:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Graham-John Bullers <real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> To: Japhy Ryder <japhy(a)enteract.com> Subject: Re: Internet Tools For Your Business (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199710162323.SAA00372(a)enteract.com> Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.971016201131.101210a-100000(a)fn2.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 16 Oct 1997, Japhy Ryder wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from prectimes(a)mail2.c-flash.net ----- > > >From prectimes(a)mail2.c-flash.net Thu Oct 16 17:27:18 1997 > From: prectimes(a)mail2.c-flash.net > Message-Id: <199710162227.RAA18064(a)enteract.com> > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:17:49 -0400 (EDT) > Subject: Internet Tools For Your Business > > **************************************************************************** > We sincerely apologize if this message has reached you > in error. This is a one time mailing, you need not reply as you will not receive this message again. > **************************************************************************** > The Internet is the marketing opportunity of a lifetime, > don't let it pass you by! > > I make thousands marketing my products with Bulk > E-MAIL. Responsible E-MAILING WORKS, and regardless > of any non-applicable ridiculous fax or phone law > someone may quote you Bulk E-mail is a 100% legal and > ethical way to make tons of money, I am living proof. > > If you are interested in making serious money and > saving yourself all of the time and hasle of finding > the right tools and Internet resources read on because > what I have to offer you will save you hundreds of > hours of research that you could be using to get > down to business and make money with direct > e-mail marketing. > > If you send me $15 bucks I will send you via e-mail > a file containing the following information that will > arm you with all the tools you will ever need to > jump start a Internet marketing campaign. > > Just print and mail the order form at the > bottom of this page with your payment and as > soon as I receive it I will mail your file. Then you > can be on your way to harvesting the gold mine > I have found in direct E-mail marketing. > > I WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH! > > 1.) A list of top bulk e-mail servers and I.S.P.'s > that you can mail from without losing your acounts. > > 2.) The U.R.L to two bulk mail marketing members- > only forums and message boards, where you will > find free e-mail marketing software, archives full of > bulk mail marketing information, and have the > opportunty to ask questions and get advise from > from pros like myself who have battled and won > the war with bulk mail marketing. > > 3.) A LIST OF 1500 U.R.L's where you can place FREE > classified ads. > > 4.) The location of a site where you fill out one form > with information about your Web Site and they will > submit it to 200 search engines for FREE. > > 5.) A Internet address that will link you to almost > 100 classified ad areas where you can submit your > advertisements for FREE. > > 6.) A list of 25 newsgroups where advertiseing your > products and services are acceptable. These are > the newgroups I have been successful with for years. > > 7.) The U.R.L for eight sites who offer you > free e-mail boxes where you can receive your mail or > have it forwarded to any address you desire. > > 8.) A list of sites where you can obtain bulk e-mail > software to fit any budget. Most of these sites even > offer free demo versions for download, so you can > try before you buy. > > 9.) A internet address location where they will not > only set-up C.G.I. order scripts on your Web Site > but maintain them for only ONE DOLLAR A MONTH. > > 10.) The U.R.L of a site where you can set up a > completely annomous I.S.P account. > > 11.) A site address where you can obtain publicity > for your products or services, and it's absolutely > FREE. > > As if this wasn't enough If your order is postmarked > before October 15, 1997 I will include the following > FIVE Internet Marketing Information reports, that have > made me thousands marketing on the Internet. These > five reports usually sell seperately for $50, but they > are all yours for the asking when you order this package. > > AND THAT'S NOT ALL, I am going to throw in 100,000 > good net and com email addresses and the location of > a site you can go to immediately and download a fully > functional copy of bulk-mail software so you can get > started NOW! > > Report #1) Direct Response Web Sites (How to Get > Your Prospects To Buy Now) > > Report #2) Search Engine Rip Offs (How to Play > Hardball And Get 600 Hits A Day In Less Than A Week) > > Report#3 "14 Reasons Why You Can 'Literally" > Make A Million (right now) By Turning Other Peoples > Fax Machines Into Your Own Personal Printers" > > Report #4) How to turn 1000's of prospects into > buyers and die hard, loyal customers for life. > > Report #5) How To Increase your Profits 15 Times > by knowing the secret of headlines and the role they > play on the Internet. > > SPECIAL BONUS: all orders post marked by the > October 30 will also receive a clean list > of 100,000 e-mail addresses to kick start your > new business. These are all good addresses that > have been run through remove databases. > > Yes Send me a copy of your Bulk e-mail Information > Kit. I understand that if I am not completely staisfied > I will have the total purchase price of $15 refunded > to me upon request within 30 days from purchase. > > Name_________________________________ > > Address_______________________________ > > City, State, Zip___________________________ > > Telephone# (______)____________________ > > E-mail Address__________________________ > > Check here if you would like to receive information > about our other products ( ) > > Send your check or money order for $15 to: > > Precious Times Publications > 18551 Chase Street > Northridge, California 91324 > > If you have any questions, don't hesitate > to contact us at Tel: (818)-885-1823 or > Fax: (818)-885-8014 > > > > > > > > ----- End of forwarded message from prectimes(a)mail2.c-flash.net ----- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Graham-John Bullers Moderator of alt.2600.moderated ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ email : <real(a)freenet.edmonton.ab.ca> : <ab756(a)freenet.toronto.on.ca> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~real/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- End of forwarded message from Graham-John Bullers -----

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No Subject
by Japhy Ryder 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: (fwd) Import restrictions for crypto code
by alexlh＠xs4all.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 17 Oct 1997, Alex Le Heux wrote: [snip] > ps. Lucky - what became of the "Brain"? Brian didn't come back to the US with Lucky as he wanted to develop strong crypto applications and did not want to have to contend with export restrictions. He currently has a desk in the offices of a major Dutch ISP, XS4ALL, so he is nice and close to the backbone and thus has great connectivity. Cheerio, Alex --- I dabble in techno-house and sometimes, I do that badass hip-hop thang... But the F U N K gets me every time!

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17 Dec '03

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Marutukku - cryptographic filing system
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Marutukku (my cryptographic file system/block device) is due for first beta sometime next week. Before release, I'd like some (strong!) criticism of the sub key generation / chaining techniques I'm using. But first, for those who haven't a frigging clue what Marutukku is, here is a hastily drawn non-cryptographic (more about that later) features list: o OS independent (excepting two files pertaining only to the kernel drivers) o Currently implemented as a 4.4bsd (Free/Net/OpenBSD) loadable kernel module, and client (I have someone working on the Linux port, but no promises). o The BSD implementation turns a file (even an NFS mounted file) into a device, on which any number of file systems types can be created in the regular manner (or even a swap partition ;) o Endian independent - Marutukku extents (the ciphertext regions) can be mailed around like .tar files o various backup/recovery/whole extent encryption/decrypt functions built into the client Marutukku supports a variety of ciphers, and the cipher used for the lattice (which is used to generate sub-keys for each file-system block) generation is independent from the cipher used for block functions. At the moment it only makes sense to talk of the lattice generator in terms of a stream cipher or a block cipher/hash algorithm in OFB. My design principles along the way have attempted as far as possible to cover as yet unknown vulnerabilities in the under-laying ciphers used with good management of IV's, salts, sub-keys, chaining etc. Some of these steps may pose no additional security in relation to certain attacks (i.e secret vs public IV's) on particular ciphers but most come at little cost compared to the encryption itself. Primary key/salt generation walk though: A pass-phrase of size (l) is requested from the user. max_keysize (256) public random key saltation bytes are generated and [saved]. (l) of these bytes then salt the key (XOR) (we don't use more than (l) to avoid any potential issues with key-correlation attacks as the salt is public). max_keysize cryptographically random bytes are produced to form the "master key". The salted pass-phrase is used to encrypt the master key, which is [saved]. The (unencrypted) master key is used to key a stream cipher (in this case that's rc4 or rc16) which is used for further key generation. Bytes [0] and [1] of the key stream output are saved for later use in creating a pass-phrase checksum (more about that later). Bytes [2] and [3] of the key stream are saved for later use in encrypting the number of stream-cipher key-generator iterations. The stream cipher is then set to stir its internal state for (t) seconds (a user supplied value). The number of iterations (i) is counted, the two LSBytes's from which are encrypted with [2] and [3] and [saved]. The reason we don't encrypt the MSB's is that they are are likely to be known-plain-text (all 0 bits to the left) which can be used for key-scanning checks. This has the annoying effect of reducing the uncertainty in the iteration count to 2^16, but I can't fathom a way around it without exposing bits of the stream output. Stream bytes [3+i] and [3+i+1] are XOR-ed with bytes [0] and [1] to provide a 16 bit key checksum and [saved]. The distance here serves to obfuscate any predictability in the key-stream generator and force the attacker though all (i) iterations to test each key (or if they are attacking directly on the internal state of the stream cipher at (i) to generate guesses at [0] as well). A public random key-salt for the two primary lattice keys are generated and [saved]. n * 2 (n=32 for a 4G file-system-block maru extent) public random sub-key lattice IV's are generated and [saved]. The public master block IV array salt is randomly generated and [saved]. Instance/Lattice generation: The saved maru saltation/IV header (above) is loaded, and the the pass-phrase is salted as before. The master key is decrypted and the key stream cipher is initialised, half the checksum is generated, the number of iterations decrypted, the generator stired, the other half of the checksum is generated and the checksum verified. The two primary lattice salts are encrypted with the key stream stream and form the primary lattice keys for the lattice fs-block sub-key generating block cipher. The n*2 lattice sub-key IV's are encrypted with the stream and form the lattice sub key array. The master block IV salt array is encrypted with the stream and forms the master block IV array. This ends the primary initialisation stage. Block key generation: The problem here is to turn a block number into a unique "sub-key" for each fs-block in such a way that frustrates possible key (or other) correlation attacks. i.e discovering the key for one block should not help the cryptanalyst in discovering the key for any other block. It is simple to generate a sub-key key-stream with a stream cipher or a block cipher operating in OFB, but storing such a construct is untenable and it is not efficient to generate on the fly (for instance, the first fs-block accessed might be the last in the maru extent, which would correlate to the last sub-key generated by the key-stream). The solution designed and employed is a binary tree based key generation approach, that can generate a cryptographically-unique block key in log2(max_blocks) steps. The author has thought of various variations on this scheme (e.g with two different cryptographic hashes, one moving left, one moving right), but see below for the variant used in Marutukku. It is simpler to visualise the sub-key generator tree "turned inside out" as a 2d lattice, two columns across and n rows down (this is also how it is implemented in Marutukku). i.e ______________________ |LEFT | RIGHT| |----------+----------| |L-SUBKEY 0|L-SUBKEY 1| |----------+----------| |L-SUBKEY 1|L-SUBKEY 2| |----------+----------| | .... | .... | |----------+----------| |L-SUBKEY n|L-SUBKEY n| |__________|__________| The journey from fs-block number to fs-block-key starts with the msb of the block number and the top of the lattice (we use the msb rather than the lsb for caching reasons. Using the lsb naively seems more secure but uncacheable, yet on closer examination, neither of theses claims are true (however the Marutukku lattice sub-key cache *performance* using lsb is poor due to the inverted clustering)). As each bit slides off the left of the block number, key material is picked up from the left or right of the lattice according to whether the bit is on or off. Each lattice sub-key chosen is encrypted with the next (CBC wise, but lattice sub-key size, rather than cipher block size) at the top of the lattice and twines it's way down to the end, collecting key-material as it goes. The result is a unique compressed (i.e its the CBC chaining performing the compression) "necklace" of key material which forms the appropriate fs-block key. FS block encryption: Each plain text block in the fs-block is XOR-ed with the corresponding entry in the master block IV array and then CBC encrypted. In effect, each cipher block has two IV's. The first block, which lacks any cipher text from previous blocks to chain with, uses the block number XOR-ed with its master block IV entry. The rational behind this is that we have the benefits of CBC's error-recovering abilities without it's major drawback (and it is certainly not alone here among major block cipher modes) - that is, find the key for (cipher) block 0 and the attacker can successfully decrypt every other block that (CBC wise) follows it. Comments? -- Prof. Julian Assange |If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people |together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks proff(a)iq.org |and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu |immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery

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Non-conventional
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May implied that Cpunx should develop non-conventional email. Crypto has been declared to be munitions. Nukes are non-conventional weapons. Should we be developing nuclear email? Should we 'email-nuke DC?" Prespiring minds want to know...

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Import restrictions for crypto code
by Jerry R. Brady 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

First, I was at hip, met some of you, camped behind the cypherpunks tent and had a blast. I'm not on the list anymore (couldn't keep up) but have a quick question which I know someone can post a quick answer back to me directly. I'd appreciate it. We have an RC540/RSA512/MD5 crypto package our customers use for the secure exchange of CAD data files with some of the automotive industry OEMs - It is a very lucrative store-and-forward system. We have a customer in Italy and I need to know if there are any import restrictions for sending the software there. We already have a GSN exemption because the international code is whimpy. Perhaps there is also an on-line resource that covers what countries have import restrictions? Any help would be appreciated, please mail directly to me. Regards, Jerry ps. Lucky - what became of the "Brain"? -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jerry R. Brady jrb(a)autoweb.net Technical Director (v) 248.967.3738 AutoWeb Communications, Inc. (f) 248.967.3739 -=- PGP5 key at pgpkeys.mit.edu or via e-mail -=-

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17 Dec '03

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Freeh letter to NYT
by Roger Schlafly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[From www.nytimes.com, Oct. 16, 1997] To the Editor: "An Attack on Privacy Rights" (editorial, Oct. 3) argues that the approach to encryption that the law enforcement community is advocating has somehow "put the need to eavesdrop on criminals above the privacy rights of ordinary Americans." Nothing could be further from the truth. You fail to mention that the same court-ordered, judicially approved procedures that now apply to wiretaps and electronic data searches would also apply to our ability to obtain decryption keys or information. In fact, what we proposed requires two orders from a judge before we proceed, not just one as now required. There is another issue that, if unaddressed, will have public safety ramifications. Encryption that cannot be deciphered regardless of the number of court orders or new technologies obtained by the police will devastate our ability to fight crime and prevent terrorism. It will nullify the ability to carry out court-authorized searches and seizures of criminal communication and electronic evidence. Policy decisions about encryption should not be left solely to market forces. Congress, the computer industry and law enforcement can work together to craft legislation that balances the public safety with the commercial and private needs of law-abiding Americans. We are not wedded to any particular solution, but feel that some workable solution can be found to insure that law enforcement can gain immediate access to the plaintext of encrypted criminal communication or electronic data that we have lawfully seized. LOUIS J. FREEH Dir., Federal Bureau of Investigation Washington, Oct. 10, 1997 ---------------------------------------------------------------- How can he say this with a straight face? >In fact, what we proposed requires two orders from a judge >before we proceed, not just one as now required. The DOJ proposal, sect 302, says: (A) A Key Recovery Agent, whether or not registered by the Secretary under this Act, shall disclose recovery information stored by a person: (1) ...; or (2) to a law enforcement or national security government agency upon receipt of written authorization in a form to be specified by the Attorney General. It also contradicts his final sentence: >... some workable solution can be found to insure that law enforcement can >gain immediate access to the plaintext of encrypted criminal communication >or electronic data that we have lawfully seized. The term "immediate access" means without having to goto a judge. Roger

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what is purpose of CMR?
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a question which I am unclear on about PGP Inc's design goals in using the CMR method. Is the CMR field to allow the company to recover from the user forgetting his password? (recover his mail folder full of encrypted email). or Is the CMR field to allow the company to read the email in transit This seems like a fairly important distinction. Adam

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SSZ Down hard today... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Fri Oct 17 20:10:35 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199710180110.UAA00156(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: SSZ Down hard today... To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 20:10:34 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1389 Hi Folks, Not shure exactly why, doesn't seem to be related to the OS or hardware, but you obviously are aware that SSZ had some serious problems this afternoon. I suspect (wild guess at best) that it was power related in some way. Anyway, I'll be watching it all weekend. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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MonkeyWrenching Monitoring
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I share and/or swap my email accounts with others on a regular basis, particularly at times when I can verify I was somewhere other than where the account was logged onto. I do the same with non-essential crypto keys, etc. This sharing, in many legal jurisdictions, turns your accounts into a 'public street', so to speak, meaning that any 'tracks' left behind don't necessarily lead to your own doorstep in a legalistic sense. A word of caution: If you don't have access to *good* legal services, the above methods may work against you, if push comes to shove. MonkeyMonger

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CMR Monkeywrenching Itself
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

a0a1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9 b0b1b2b3b4b5b6b7b8b9 ... z0z1z2z3z4z5z6z7z8z9 If you send the above message repeatedly, changing a single character at a time, in increments (X0a1a2.../aXa1a2...) some interesting things happen to messages encrypted to two keys, especially if they share a one-time pad. These 'interesting things' are wonderful tools for prying open the secrets of a foreign key, using what you already know about the key you are in possession of. If you happen to be working with an encryption program that unwitting allows you to access the one-time pad it is using (or to *supply* the one-time pad it uses), then you can crack secret keys during your lunch breaks and still have time to complete a level of Doom before it is time to get back to work.

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index.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Tech banner IBM Reinventing Education rule GOVERNORS WARN COLLECTING INTERNET TAXES WOULDN'T BE EASY Internet taxes October 17, 1997 Web posted at: 11:12 p.m. EDT (0312 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- The nation's governors and local officials, already having difficulty collecting taxes on catalog sales, said Friday a bill aimed at restricting new taxes on the Internet would worsen their problems. "It's very similar," Republican Gov. George V. Voinovich of Ohio said at a press briefing. "We've had an ongoing problem in terms of how to handle that. We've been continuing to try and work that out with those businesses in the states that have the large mail-order catalogs." The National Governors' Association estimates states lose $4 billion in sales taxes annually from catalog sales. That's because states, cities and counties generally lack the authority to capture sales taxes on such sales if the catalog business is headquartered out of state. That problem could only intensify based on the projected growth of electronic commerce. Voinovich cited one estimate of $1.5 trillion in sales on the Internet by 2002. "I don't think this is the time for the federal Congress to rush into something that will have such a huge impact on state and local government," he said. Joining Voinovich to oppose the Internet tax bill were leaders from the National Association of Counties, National League of Cities and U.S. Conference of Mayors. Rep. Chris Cox, a Republican from California, and Sen. Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, have sponsored similar bills that would bar any new taxes on computer transactions -- such as taxes on Internet access or online services -- for an unspecified time while Congress studies the whole issue. The bill would make an exception to the moratorium for income earned through an Internet service; local business license taxes, if the Internet provider is located within the appropriate jurisdiction; and sales or use taxes, so long as they are the same as charged for mail or telephone orders. "We would love to have the bill say what the sponsors say it says," said Brian J. O'Neill, a Philadelphia city councilman, representing the National League of Cities. But O'Neill and others say the technical language of the bill contains a broad pre-emption of state and local taxes. Wyden spokesman David Seldin strongly disagrees. "We have bent over backwards to clarify language of the bill so there can be no questions" that local governments retain authority to levy the same taxes on the Internet that are assessed on catalog sales, Seldin said. The bill seeks to halt new local taxes aimed specifically at Internet businesses. One National Governors' Association official said the bill's wording would worsen the states' problem of collecting sales taxes on catalog sales. "We know that we have to sit down with the industry and make the sales tax work on Main Street, on catalogs and on Internet, in some simplified, clear and technologically neutral way," said Tim Masanz of the association's economic development group. "If Congress goes on record and says that Internet sales are the equivalent of catalog mail-order sales, those talks are doomed," he added. "I can understand their desire to fight that battle but it would certainly not do much good to create a situation where you are favoring one at-home purchase over another," said Seldin. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related story: * House panels back Internet taxation bill - October 9, 1997 Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * THOMAS - Legislative Information on the Internet + HR 1054 - Internet Tax Freedom Act * U.S. House of Representatives + Commerce Committee + Judiciary Committee * National Governors' Association * National League of Cities External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Watch these shows on CNN for more sci-tech stories: CNN Computer Connection | Future Watch | Science & Technology Week rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] IBM Reinventing Education rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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A quote...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The politics of those whose goal is beyond time are always pacific; it is the idolaters of past and future, of reactionary memory and utopian dream, who do the persecuting and make the wars. Perennial Philosophy Aldous Huxley ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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LJFLJF
by Six 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lying Nazi Fuck Freeh wrote: > Subject: Freeh letter to NYT > [From www.nytimes.com, Oct. 16, 1997] > > To the Editor: > > "An Attack on Privacy Rights" > (editorial, Oct. 3) > argues that the approach to encryption that the law enforcement > community is advocating has somehow "put the need to eavesdrop > on criminals above the privacy rights of ordinary Americans." > Nothing could be further from the truth. How about the fact that you are the director of an organization that actively sought to sabatoge the civil rights movement by, among other things, encouraging Martin Luther King to commit suicide? Is that close enough to the truth for you? > You fail to mention that the same court-ordered, judicially > approved procedures that now apply to wiretaps and electronic > data searches would also apply to our ability to obtain > decryption keys or information. No they wouldn't you lying, scumbag, Nazi piece of shit. You are *already* doing these things without *any* type of legal authority to justify your criminal actions, and will continue to do so? > Encryption that cannot be deciphered > regardless of the number of court orders or new technologies > obtained by the police will devastate our ability to fight crime > and prevent terrorism. Right. You can't find airplanes containing tons of drugs, you can't keep drugs from being sold on the streets and in schoolyards, you claim to have a list of all of these *known* pedophiles, but yet they are all running free, even though you know about them. This, despite all of the fascist, unconstitutional powers you have stolen from the citizen's right to freedom and privacy. Yet you have the fucking nerve to suggest that giving LEA's the ability to monitor all of our private communications, at will, is going to stop crime. Buy a fucking clue, shit for brains. All of the parts of the Constituion you have trampled underfoot, claiming you needed this to fight drug dealers, has resulted in the lowest street prices for heroin in decades. I'll make you a deal. If you can get the street price of a gram of cocaine up to $300.00 a gram, using your current fascist, unconstitutional powers, I'll support you getting the rest of the citizens' rights under your jackboots. > It will nullify the ability to carry out > court-authorized searches and seizures of criminal communication > and electronic evidence. No. It will nullify the ability to carry out UN-authorized searches and seizures of non-criminal communications. > We are not wedded to any particular > solution, but feel that some workable solution can be found to > insure that law enforcement can gain immediate access to the > plaintext of encrypted criminal communication or electronic data > that we have lawfully seized. Are the keys to the privacy of every living being on earth going to be kept on the FBI computer system that was hacked, the CIA computer system that was hacked, the DOJ computer system that was hacked...? So that corporations know whether to support your plans for Government Access to Korporate bungholes, would you please publicize a list of *which* corporations you have defrauded and brought to financial ruin by accessing and manipulating their financial data and assets because you disagree with their actions? How about a list of the corporations that you plan to do this to in the future? Oh...never mind. I forgot that today's allies are tomorrow's enemies, and vice-versa, so I guess that *any* corporation could be a future target of government attack. How do you brazen, Nazi cocksuckers find the audacity to announce to God and everybody that you are fucking over people and nations around the world by inserting bad mechanical parts into the supply system, trashing the finances of individuals and companies around the world that you have a hard-on for (today), that Swinestein has put the vote on encryption issues that the citizens gave her, into *your* hands, and then tell the citizens they can expect to be more 'secure' if they give you dictatorial powers over all of their communications and data? Who will be in control of access to the whole world's communications and data? Will it be the FBI guy who just went to jail for destroying evidence and perverting justice? Will it be the DOJ people who ruined the INSLAW corporation in order to STEAL their software? Or the DOJ people who subverted justice by defying our elected leaders in Congress during their investigation? Tell us, Lying Jackoff Fuck Louis J. Freeh... *Which* of the LEA officials who commit criminal acts and subvert justice in the US will be in charge of access to the citizen's right to privacy and freedom from fascist search and seizure. Bonus Question: "How many bodies does it take to spell, 'I *TOLD* you I was crazy!" Bonus Prize: 1 Freeh Bullet 6ualdv8 ~~~~~~~ > LOUIS J. FREEH > Dir., Federal Bureau of Investigation > Washington, Oct. 10, 1997 > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > How can he say this with a straight face? > > >In fact, what we proposed requires two orders from a judge > >before we proceed, not just one as now required. > > The DOJ proposal, sect 302, says: > > (A) A Key Recovery Agent, whether or not registered by the Secretary > under this Act, shall disclose recovery information stored by a person: > (1) ...; or > (2) to a law enforcement or national security government agency > upon receipt of written authorization in a form to be specified by > the Attorney General. > > It also contradicts his final sentence: > > >... some workable solution can be found to insure that law enforcement can > >gain immediate access to the plaintext of encrypted criminal communication > >or electronic data that we have lawfully seized. > > The term "immediate access" means without having to goto a judge. > > Roger

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Been tried before?
by Andrew Wiggin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I had an idea for a key system using graphics files. Has that been tried before? The basic idea was to use a graphics file with a color depth of 24-bit or higher. Then, using the rgb values of, say, every prime pixel (i.e. the first pixel, then the second....then the seventh, then the eleventh) or something like that to create a stream of numbers the feed into the cipher which would be highly erratic. A similar looking picture would not work, as the rgb values would be (I assume) hard to guess, and even if you came close, you would have to get the right order. If you used a graphics file format similar to PNG, for instance, you could even include alpha channels. Am I just shooting my mouth off, or does this sound like something that would work? I'm wondering if this has been tried before and if it would be worth programming out. --Drew ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: Security flaws introduced by "other readers" in CMR
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back writes: >You have a dual concern: you are trying to protect against big brother >and against little brother. At the technical level, is there a meaningful difference between the brothers? Aren't we really talking about third-party access to communications, and second-party access to stored data ... with the "brother" distinction being one made at a social/political level, as a judgement about the legitimacy of the access or the size of the actor, rather than the character of the access? -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | Export jobs, not crypto. http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | http://www.parrhesia.com

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: OUBAKAYAROU!! (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Fri, 17 Oct 1997 18:25:39 -0700 > From: Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> > Subject: Re: OUBAKAYAROU!! > > Meanwhile, there is a cypherpunks-j(a)htp.org, in Japanese, > and there's probably still a cypherpunks-e(a)htp.org in English, > though the last time I checked it, it had been > mostly a mirror for the cypherpunks list with almost no independent content, > and its mail gateway broke badly and splattered all over its subscribers. What is your problem Bill regarding cypherpunks-e you've made accussatory comments regarding that list a couple of times now? It is simply another member of the CDR just like SSZ or algebra.com - is your claim that each of these has their own indipendant content? If so, catch a clue and realize they don't unless their broke somehow and quit forwarding. If somebody on cypherpunks-e submits something it gets gatewayed through SSZ (and hopefuly others by now) just like traffic from one of the other member remailers. I wanted to gateway cypherpunks-j as well but we decided folks might get confused if there were something other than english on here. And considering both the -e and -j are in Japan, new, and relatively unadvertised does it really suprise you that they don't have a lot of English based traffic from that end? You must be the one(s) who keeps subscribing and unsubscribing to the 3 US remailers from a variety of (forged?) aliases in the hopes of carrying on the 'moderation experiment' meme. Or perhaps your hope is to catch one of us down and claim we're filtering because the traffic didn't show up from three different sources. I can't speak for the other CDR operators but I can say that SSZ cache's all mail originating on this end and sends it out to the other remailer sites as soon as we come back online. So nothing gets missed from SSZ. My internet provider is supposed to be cache'ing incoming mail to SSZ if we go down and I hope the other remailers also cache their mail as well. If not, oh well, I 'm not going to miss any sleep over it. Just in case you missed it the other day, I believe Igor has started gatewaying a new remailer as well because I saw a 'Test' message from a cypherpunks mailing list I didn't recognize as one of the known remailer hosts. If so that means we're at 5 remailers in the network. One of them in Japan, which meets at least one of our goals to get a remailer node outside the US. This is a GOOD thing. My offer to gateway the CDR to any site that requests the subscription stands. So, if you are operating a remailer with only a single feed point and that point is not currently SSZ please send me email and I'll add your site to my re-send list. As to cypherpunks-e, one of the other CDR sites should consider adding them to their re-send/subscription list. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| ps Regarding SSZ's downtime yesterday, at this point don't have a clue why the system crashed without warning and then cored when it came back up. Once I got home and did a hard reboot it has worked without a glitch. Though we still have intermittent droppages of the ISDN link lasting 1-5 minutes. I have turned in another trouble call to SWBT in the hopes of them fixing it. That makes the 5th ISDN trouble ticket in 4 weeks. I think SWBT gets lonely if I don't call them at least once a week or else their field folks really have forgotten how to write...

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17 Dec '03

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ISDN status - Intermittent (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Sat Oct 18 09:57:09 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199710181457.JAA02252(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: ISDN status - Intermittent To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 1997 09:57:08 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1548 Hi, Just talked to SWBT and they apparently show the ISDN line as disconnected. Upon further digging at my request they determined that indeed there had been some sort of cable throw yesterday. They issued me a trouble ticket number and will check the line. Considering the intermittent nature of the drop my suspicion is a bad punch-down. If this is so we should see the line stabalize sometime this afternoon. More as I learn it. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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