December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

executive officers
by amp＠pobox.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone recently sent a post ot this list where they mentioned that George Bush and Ronald Reagan were former chief executive officers of a corporation that sells military equipment. Can whoever posted this send it to me? amp ------------------------ Name: amp E-mail: amp(a)pobox.com Date: 11/23/97 Time: 19:43:22 Visit me at http://www.pobox.com/~amp == -export-a-crypto-system-sig -RSA-3-lines-PERL #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) == 'Drug Trafficking Offense' is the root passphrase to the Constitution. Have you seen http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum ------------------------

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Belinda Bryan's Defense of Gary "Sadaam" Burnore (was: Re: Keman the K
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

eridani+spam(a)netcom.com (Belinda Bryan) wrote: ^^^^^ > X-No-Archive: yes Clever. You and Gary demand "proof" of what you've said in the past, then you attempt to conceal the very evidence you're demanding like this. It figures. Nothing like this, coupled with repeated false claims of "forgery", to give your posts a little "plausible deniability", is there? > Organization: Boycott E-Scrub Technologies. The owner is an admitted spambaiter. Your obsessive disinformation campaign continues, I see... [...] > >>On Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:54:33 GMT, eguy(a)mindspring.com (Eric Guy) wrote: > >>The account is closed. Find something ELSE to be obsessed about. > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > >Take your own fucking advice. Get off Ron Guilmette's back. > > You posted his ten year old tax lien. > > Public information. Just like all those "public" email addresses rfg ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > posted of users of ISPS who didn't meet his standards. Tit for tat. Well, if posting public information is OK, then why the hate campaign against Ron Guilmette and his business for (allegedly) doing like you and Gary did? Actually, either you're lying now about the reason that Gary posted the info back in February, or Gary was lying back then when he said: "What say each time you slam DataBasix for no reason, we post some publicly available information about monkeys.com. HEre's the first try" and "More where this came from. Yu wanna keep slamming DataBasix for no good reason?". [1] That sounds like an attempt at censorship through intimidation to me. After you pull stunts like that is it any wonder that people post their opinions anonymously? The more you attack anonymous remailers and their users, the more people will see the benefit of utilizing them. > Life's a bitch that way, ain't it? ^^^^^ No, LIFE isn't, but, OTOH ... > > You mail bombed him and tried syn flooding without success. > > THAT'S A VICIOUS LIE. POST THE GODDAMN PROOF OR SHUT THE FUCK UP. Now I'm beginning to see why you weren't able to convince Jeff Burchell that you were a "lawyer" for DataBasix when you tried the Scientology-esque stunt of demanding that he turn all of his (non-existent) user logs over to DataBasix to use in their witch hunt against the users of his remailer. [2] Going on a tantrum like that in a courtroom would get you jailed for contempt of court. I see you haven't changed your typical DataBasix tactics of demanding proof from others, but never bothering to offer any for your own accusations. Like the accusations that Ron Guilmette "spam baited" addresses at databasix.com. (The only thing you've posted that even looked like evidence was some idle talk about netcom.com addresses.) Or how about that claim that Mr. Guilmette supposedly "abused" an unnamed "teenage girl" at DataBasix? > > These days you looking for more blood. Find someone else to be obsessed > > about. Asshole. > > Jesus, cretins like you give *responsible* people posting anonymously a > bad name. As do those such as the delta sub-moron who forged my > former [1] email address in the Reply to: line of an obscene Usenet > post. As far as giving anonymous posters a bad name, since when have you EVER had anything decent or civil to say about those who don't believe that setting one's self up for abuse should be the price of free speech? Calling anonymous posters "anon assholes" only betrays your pernicious bigotry and hatred of those who dare to speak their minds without subjecting themselves to the revenge that seems to (coincidentally?) befall those who dare to criticize the almighty Sadaam Burnore. As far as "delta sub-morons" engaging in "forgery" (assuming they aren't your fellow "delta sub-morons" on the DataBasix gang) what about all the crude attempts at forgery involving the e-mail addresses of those who've dared to publicly disagree with Gary Burnore and his DataBasix wrecking crew? What about the letters in various MMF and MLM NGs saying "I have a lot of money to invest, please send me information on how I can get rich quick" and purportedly signed by these folks? I must have missed your vehement protests about that. > You aren't worth the bother anymore. > > *PLONK* Did anyone force you to post THIS tantrum? Don't let the door strike your posterior on the way out. > [1] former because I had to close the account when it become completely > unusable, thanks to some anonymous cretin who (a) used the address as > spambait several *thousand* times and (b) subscribed me to every > freaking html-ized newsletter in existence. Once again, you post accusations without proof. (Maybe I ought to do my DataBasix impression of you and Sadaam Burnore stomping your feet and chanting in unison, "Not a shred of evidence! Not a shred of evidence!") You can only say "I didn't do it, nobody saw me doing it, and you can't prove a thing" so often. Your post no evidence that such alleged abuse even occurred, nor that, *IF* it did occur, it was perpetrated by someone other than you or one of your fellow abusers at DataBasix, perhaps as a pretext to get a remailer shut down. If by your "former e-mail address" you're referring to an account at DataBasix.com, could the real reason be that Gary is so technically inept that he has been unable to get the databasix.com domain up and running after his hasty exodus from California to North Carolina? At least that's been his alibi -- "I couldn't have posted any spam bait - databasix.com is still down". Your whining is so hypocritical, anyway. Where were those protests when your fellow staffer at DataBasix, William J. McClatchie (aka "Wotan"), was busy making THOUSANDS of e-mail addresses useless when he went on his successful campaign to get the Mailmasher server shut down? (Remember the bogus "forgery" charges and the pitiful "evidence" that was posted?) > P.S. Fix your goddamn line wrap. Why? You claim to have "plonked" him/her.... Why not just fix your newsreader? -- Since Belinda likes to footnote her posts: [1] http://calvo.teleco.ulpgc.es/listas/cypherpunks-unedited@toad.com/HTML-1997… [2] http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/dir.archive-97.11.13-97.11.19/0432.html

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Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:12:02 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: Further costs of war > > At 1:43 PM -0700 11/23/97, Jim Choate wrote: > ... > >Any particular methodology you might care to share on stopping WWII? > >Being an avid amateur historian concerning WWII I am very much interested in > >any insight you might have. > > Not entering the war. Do you have a particular method in mind? > There's ample evidence that the U.S. provoked the > Japanese in various ways. Such as? > (I'm not saying the Japanese were blameless, or > lily-white, or"nice," etc., only that most historians agree--and Japanese > archives support--that the Japanese were motivated to attack Pearl Harbor > in the hope that a devastating first blow would sink enough ships, etc., to > cause America to back off in its actions in the ironically named Pacific.) So how does Tojo and his out of control Kwantung Army figure into this? Do you feel that Japans Co-prosperity Sphere was a benign goal? How do you consign your position that we provoked Japan with their behaviour in such situations as Nanking? > Had the U.S. concentrated on its own affairs, on just trade, it is unlikely > that what the Japanese were doing in Malaysia, Manchuria, Korea, Indochina, > and the Phillipines would have had any major interest for us. The Phillipines at the time were a US protectorate, is your position that we should have simply turned them over without a fight? Korea was ceeded to Japan as a result of the 1903 defeat of Russia, how is this relevant to your position? Let's assume for a moment that the US hadn't gotten involved. The Japanese would have eventualy gotten to Australia. Once there what would have kept them from expanding their co-prosperity sphere eastward in order to better stabalize their resources. When they knocked on Guam or Midway's door should we have let them go like the Phillipines? How about the Japanese's eventual expansion into the Allutians? Should we have simply given Alaska to them as well? Is your position that once they had the western half of the pacific rim they would have no pretentions on the eastern half? What do you base this on? > As for Europe, this was even less our war than the Pacific war. Really? How so? Is your position that Germany would have benignly left the US alone once they had defeated Britian (I am assuming of course the US hadn't shipped resources such as oil and fuel to them)? Had the US not gotten into the war the resources available to Germany and Japan were such they could realisticaly have beaten the Russian. One of the reasons that Russia had the resources to reinforce the eastern front was their ability to remove troops from the Chinese border based on Richard Sorge's intelligence. > In a sense, so _what_ if some army from some nation was rolling over other > armies? That depends on where they stop their rolling. Is your position that if we had refused to support conflicts against Japan and Germany all would have been well? Are you proposing that Germany would not have advanced with their atomic research? Completed development on their jet-based New York Bomber? > Those who wanted to liberate the death camps, or to push Hitler back into > Gerrmany, or to kick the Emperor's butt could, of course, simply go over > and volunteer. In a free society, mercenaries are legal. Volunteer to who? > The last justifiable war the American states were involved in was, > arguably, the War of 1812. Every war since then has been unjustified. Justifiable war? How is the invasion of the US by British troops significantly different than the invasion by German or Japanese troops? ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: (No Subject)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Benjamin Chad Wienke" <woodwose(a)mailexcite.com> sez: >>Onan is commonly (albeit incorrectly) credited with the invention of >>masturbation. (See Genesis 38:6-10 in the Bible) I wonder what sort of >>thoughts the Onan-o-graph induces? [snicker, snicker] > >get your demonized molesting mind out of the gutter Yep, that's definitely Second Dynamic out-ethics to the Scienos. Of course, they'd be glad to sell you some auditing to bring you up on the tone scale. Got a few thousand extra dollars sitting around? I didn't make up any of this stuff -- if you care enough to learn about it, do an Altavista search on "Operation Clambake." See L. Ron Hubbard's mind in action! Read about the Galactic Confederation! Thrill to the Xenu legend! Enjoy NOT spending your money to learn this stuff! "I mock up my reactive mind." -- A great $cientology $ecret, their Clear Cognition. I just saved you a few grand. Tip your waitress.

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Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 23:12:31 -0500 > From: Fabrice Planchon <fabrice(a)math.Princeton.EDU> > Subject: Re: Further costs of war (fwd) > I guess what Tim means is at some point a equilibrium is reached, such > as in this case 2 dominant players (Japan and USA) face each other and > rather coexist than fight, because trading is more beneficial to them > than war. The problem with such a theory is that it supposes both actors > are intelligent enough to figure out when war isn't the best > solution. In that particular case, I have little to no faith in the > japanese side... Considering the relationship between the Kwantung Army and the Emporer faith and the Japanese are a clearly mis-matched combination. > > Really? How so? Is your position that Germany would have benignly left the > > US alone once they had defeated Britian (I am assuming of course the US > > hadn't shipped resources such as oil and fuel to them)? Had the US not > > gotten into the war the resources available to Germany and Japan were such > > they could realisticaly have beaten the Russian. One of the reasons that > > Hum hum. I frankly doubt that. Japan beat the shit out of Russia in 1903. Had it not been for Richard Sorge's intelligence of the situation in 1938 around Chankufeng Hill at Vladivostok indicating the Japanese governments committment to keep the situation from becoming a declared war and Georgi Zukhov at Khalkin Gol in 1939 the Japs would have beaten them then as well. In both situations Stalin was up against the wall. In 1938 there are clear indications that instead of counter-attacking he might very well have sued for peace and in the process lost the port at Vladivostok. Had the Japanese re-inforced their army they could have beaten the Russian troops available. Considering the lack of roads and rail in that part of Russia it is unrealistic to expect reinforcements to have arrived from Russia in a meaningful time frame without recognizing the contribution Japans hesitancy in getting into a conflict with Russia and Richard Sorge's clandestine intelligence contributed. Had either one of those not been present then Russia would have been eaten in little gobbles from the east and west. > Somehow your ability to expand durably > depends on your ability to keep your new possessions. While occupying > France, using a satellite gouvernment, isn't that hard, occupying Russia > (for the germans) and China (for the japanese) is another, quite > impossible, task if you don't get the population support (or, at least, > indifference). So, if Hitler had known better, he would have stuck to > western europe... Had it not been for the oil, food, and weapons we shipped Britian he would have owned Europe in toto. It is clear from Hitlers earliest writings that he had full intention of taking Russia. Had Stalin not had Sorge's intelligence regarding the Japanese's intent not to attack Russia at that time he would not have been able to pull troops from that front. Had those troops not been pulled then both Moscow and Stalingrad *would* have fallen. If Moscow fell Stalin fell. The Japanese also had intentions of taking Russia but only if they could consolidate their hold in the western Pacific Rim *and* keep America out of the conflict. China was beaten at the time. The only thing keeping the Japanese from taking over the entire country was two things. Their interest in expanding southward and eastward in the Pacific to gain more oil and resource reserves (Manchuria's oil was critical but no sufficient) and the fact that they simply didn't have enough men to do both, expand north/west and south/east. The Japanese chose to go south/east because they figured that with no chance of Russia attacking with the Germans on their doorstep they could flesh out their co-prosperity sphere and then come back once they had sufficient troops and resources *and* by doing this in concert with the Germans there is little chance of Russia surviving. It was also clear to many in Japan that there was no way America could afford to stand by and watch the Pacific be taken by force. At the time America was involved in its own expansion (ala Philipines & Guam) and it is clear that both American and Japanese expansion in that area would not work. The only clear path was to eliminate the American naval threat in the Pacific. Should such a situation be achieved there was no way American could afford to reduce the naval strength in the Atlantic by much, the Germans were waging unrestricted submarine warfare sinking even American ships. > > That depends on where they stop their rolling. Is your position that if we > > had refused to support conflicts against Japan and Germany all would have > > been well? Are you proposing that Germany would not have advanced with their > > atomic research? Completed development on their jet-based New York Bomber? > > This is a better argument than the domino theory you were suggesting for > the Pacific front. But this is a domino theory as well...there is one thing that studying history and playing wargames teaches...all conflicts are a domino theory. > If countries like France, England (and Italy, as Mussolini wasn't particulary fond of Hitler in the beginning of the > 30's) had been smarter, Mussolini may not have been fond of Hitler but he certainly admired and respected the man, or at least that is what Ciano's diaries indicate. Mussolini's explorations in Africa were a result of an attempt on his part to gain respect in Hitlers eyes. Mussolini's attack on France was a gambit to buy a seat at the surrender equal to Hitler. Mussolini's invasion of Greece over Hitlers protests were a measure of his equality. Unfortunately for the Italians the French & Greeks were more than capable of beating the Italian forces. Note that the Italians were not poor forces (examine the history of the Ariete Division in N. Africa) but rather very poorly led and supplied. It's further of some interest to note that Japan was very diligantly trying to get Italy to declare war on the US as late as Dec. 3, 1941. > > > The last justifiable war the American states were involved in was, > > > arguably, the War of 1812. Every war since then has been unjustified. > > Justifiable as "we (the states of the Union) were invaded by the British > ?". Actually, don't you think you deserved that one as the same states > tried to invade (then british) Canada, hoping GB was to busy dealing > with Napoleon ? Or correct me if I am wrong ? if you take that path, the > last justifiable war is the independence one. > > > Justifiable war? How is the invasion of the US by British troops > > significantly different than the invasion by German or Japanese troops? > > Once again, if 1812 the invasion actually occured, when during WWII it > was merely a possibility. The Japanese were certainly not bashful about taking Guam, Philipines, Midway, the Aleutian Islands; all in their original plans. The Germans were sinking ships as close as 20 miles off the easter seaboard. Bodies were washing up on the beach on a regular basis all along the eastern US coast. Keep in mind that from the tip of Siberia to the tip of Alaska is only something like 90 miles. Now with that in mind and considering the state of mind of Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, etc. how realistic is it to expect them to have passed on such a plum? > You see it as certain, Absolutely, every indication is that Hitler and the Japanese had full intention of involving the US. Neither could afford to let the resources and peoples of north and south America sit untouched even if they hadn't planned to get the US involved. Consider where the only two locations for platinum are located and the impact of that metal on high-technology.* Further consider, had Germany and Japan worked in concert a little closer they could have had 90% of all the oil on the planet. You think the oil shortages of the 70's were a bitch. In such a world the US would not have been the first on the moon (I suspect we wouldn't even be in the running). We would not in all probability have developed the atom bomb in time; Germany would have inhereted all the work the British did and considering that at the time they had all the heavy water on the planet they would have had a definite advantage. Take that and put things such as the ME-262, the New York Blitz Bomber, the V2, the Tri-partite signatories expansionistic dreams, the picture becomes quite nasty. And if you think for one minute that the US could have stood against Europe, Asia, Africa, and Australia combined under some sort of combined assault with the technological edge going to the tri-partites you are sorely misinformed. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________| * Russia & S. Africa

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:38 PM 11/23/97 -0500, Jon Galt wrote: >On Sun, 23 Nov 1997, Mikhael Frieden wrote: > >> At 08:12 PM 11/18/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >(May) >> >And what would be wrong with this? >(Frieden) >> Not a damned thing. While in this country they are in the act of >> committing a crime. >And who is it that gets to decide what is a "crime" and what is not? It would appear to me that an illegal in the country is as much in the act of committing a crime as a burglar is while in a place other than his own. >The >politicos, the bureaucrats, the hoodlums in DC and elsewhere who think >they have the right to run the lives of everybody else. The politicians are responding to voters. The voters who are pressuring them are siding with foreign nationals against the interests of the United States which is presumed to be their new country of loyalty. That siding should be sufficient justification remove citizenship and return them to the land of dysentary and mui Ninos. >Again I ask the question: >What gives the hoodlums in Washington DC the right to draw a line on a >map and control people's travel across that line? The people who made handgun ownership a felony gave them that right. Lawmakers are resonsible for all foreseeable consequences not just the intended consequences. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Re: Copyrights and Wrongs, from The Netly News
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:46 AM 11/23/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >At 5:32 AM -0700 11/23/97, Mikhael Frieden wrote: > >> It is interesting that while almost the entire body of copyright >>law deals with materials other then what is to be covered, the industry has >>enough clout to get their's singled out for the first criminal penalties >>for violation. >> >> This leaves the bulk of copyrighted material, printed material, >>photographs and the like open to being stolen as does nizkor for example. > >I mentioned this point back when I was on the Cyberia-l list a few years ago. > >Some of the law professors on the list were complaining that their >copyright rights were being violated by the quoting or forwarding of >articles. > >And the major newspapers were sending out threatening letters, which were >generally heeded by the "offenders." > >Well, what about _my_ stuff? (More generally, anybody's stuff.) > >Why does Professor Joe Shmoe or "The New Attleboro Times" have a greater >claim to "copyright violations" than Fred Nobody? > >This is a semi-rhetorical question, as it mostly involves who is willing to >hire a lawyer to enforce such property claims. But, as M. Frieden notes, >the deck is stacked in favor of large newspapers, publishers, and even >professional authors, and is stacked against private individuals and lesser >authors gaining access to the courts. >"Some copyrights are more equal than others." >(Personally, I don't really believe in copyrights.) Perhaps but there is something particularly obnoxious to the rule of law when scum like McVay being able to say to the effect, 'I know I am stealing from you. Sue me.' It is most clearly a mockery of the law to find his pack of drooling toadies such as McC using the theft as a juvenile taunt, that some may set themselves above the law solely upon the grounds of the cost of civil action. That is something simply not done in civilized society. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Fellow Kryptophiles, I submit, for your reading pleasure, this link: http://guru.cosc.georgetown.edu/~denning/crypto/cases.html Discuss... Socraticus

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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.accessone.com/~rivero/CRASH/TWA/CIAVIDEO/ciavideo.html " Aircraft with natural stability, whether a toy glider, a Cessna, or a 747, achieve that stability by designing the aircraft so that the center of gravity is slightly foreward of the center of lift. The plane is balanced by the pressure of the tail downward, called the "tail drag". By keeping the aerodymic center (the wings) aft of the center of gravity, the plane is kept naturally stable. It will fly with the nose foreward. The same with the flights of a dart or the fletching on an arrow. The stable configuration is with the aerodynamic center to the rear of the center of gravity. With the exception of modern combat CCV aircraft, which require computer control to maintain stability, all aircraft, from the Wright Flyer to the Space Shuttle, follow these same principles. Without the nose, the center of gravity of the aircraft would move aft of the aerodynamic center. Continued level flight in that configuration is an impossability. Trying to fly a 747 without it's nose would be like trying to throw a dart backwards. Both would tumble, trying to swap ends. In the case of the 747, the wings, even if they did not tear off while flat on to the 340 knot airstream, would lose all lift, and gravity would take over. "

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No Subject
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy Maypole studied yoga back-streching exercises for five years so he could blow himself (nobody else will). _ {~} ( V-) Timmy Maypole '|Y|' _|||_

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Choate Doesn't Do His Homework
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Jim Choate wrote: >Make up your own mind on the validity of the claims. I prefer facts when it comes to making up my mind instead of baseless claims. For the others on this list who prefer the same, let me set the record straight... Jim Choate wrote: >It has been claimed that the original claim by Bob and anonymous was that >the first Great Awakening ended by the late 18'th century. This is a >complete fabrication. Yes, and you are the fabricator. Bob claimed it happened in the 19th century (see Fact 1 below). I claimed it happened in the early 18th century (see Fact 3 below). > The original claim put forth clearly references dates >in the 1800's as the date of the first instance, clearly 50-100 years in >error from the original Great Awakening that occurred between 1700-1750. For the umpteenth time, that was Bob's original claim, not mine. See above. > In >my original posting I (thought) made it clear that I didn't quite know when >the original event occurred but was certain it ended prior to the late >1700's which would clearly pre-date the original claim. I subsequently took >the time to provide references for those citation and clearly indicated >where my memory was in error, and even took the time to explain my confusion >regarding the 'Beacon on the Hill' movement. In responce Bob and apparently >anonymous made it clear that they saw no reason to do 'homework' >irrespective of the impact of historical accuracy on their claims. Bullshit! I did my homework. You (and Bob) didn't. But because I am a nice guy, I share it with you here. The bottomline is that you screwed up, Jim. You misread my original post (confusing the 18th century for the 1800's) and started this whole chain of events. The facts (not the claims) clearly bear this out. Nerthus _________________ T H E F A C T S [note: I have edited the attribution lines for clarity, but all posts are referenced to the Cypherpunk Archive] F A C T 1: <http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/dir.archive-97.11.13-97.11.19/0556.html> Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:10:17 -0500 Robert Hettinga wrote: >Jim Choate wrote: >> Um, I believe that went from the late 1500's to the early 1700's at best. > >Nope. Check it out. As defined in any decent book of American history, >well, maybe one that hasn't been too "revised" :-), the "Great Awakening", >which gave us most of our American-flavored religions, happened in the >early part of the 19th century, though rumblings started shortly after the >revolution. F A C T 2: <http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/current/0036.html> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:54:37 -0600 (CST) Jim Choate wrote: > X-within-URL: http://www.gnbvoc.mec.edu/webquest/PPERRY3.htm > > 2ND GREAT AWAKENING & WESTWARD EXPANSION > > 1815-1850 F A C T 3: <http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/current/0055.html> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:25:01 -0000 Nerthus wrote: >Jim Choate wrote [in response to Bob]: >>After thinking about this I am certain that you are speaking of a movement >>other than the Great Awakening. I can't remember or find a convenient name >>for the religous/ethical awakening that occured prior to the Civil War. > >"THE GREAT AWAKENING > >"A conservative reaction against the world view of the new science was >bound to follow, and the first half of the eighteenth century witnessed a >number of religious revivals in both England and America. They were >sometimes desperate efforts to reassert the old values in the face of the >new and, oddly enough, were themselves the direct product of the new cult of >feeling, a philosophy which argued that man's greatest pleasure was derived >from the good he did for others and that his sympathetic emotions (his joy as >well as his tears) should not be contained." > > -- The Norton Anthology of American Literature, Third Edition, Volume 1 F A C T 4: <http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/current/0056.html> Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 20:38:10 -0600 (CST) Jim Choate wrote: >Nerthus wrote: >> "THE GREAT AWAKENING > >No, "The Second Great Awakening" which happened to be followed by "The Third >Great Awakening". > >You didn't read the various posts that I sent out earlier on this did you... [Once again, yes I did. 1815-1850 does not equal early 18th century!] F A C T 5: <http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/current/0143.html> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:54:09 -0600 (CST) Jim Choate wrote: >Nerthus Wrote: >> Uh, Hello? Your post entitled "1st Great Awakening" describes the exact >> same thing that I called simply, "The Great Awakening." It was not, as you >> say above, the 2nd one. > >They are they same if we ignore the fact that there is 50+ years between >the 1st (1700-1750) and the 2nd (1800-1850). >I did some looking around as well and other then Norton, yourself, and >whoever it was that made the original claim all references I can find to >the Great Awakening refer to the 1700-1750 event(s) as the first one to >occur in the America's. If I can find my Norton Anthology I'll take a >look at it, though it is 15+ years old. 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DIANA : The Unrevealed Pics (NEW URL)
by paparazzi＠www.kornet.nm.kr 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

<HTML><PRE><BODY BGCOLOR="#000000"><FONT COLOR="#00FFFF" SIZE=3> Note : If you want your name permanently REMOVED from this list, please e-mail : removelist(a)mlweb.com For the first time on the internet, here are the UNREVEALED pics of DIANA ! Given the sensitive nature of the materials involved, only adults will access the site. Go to http://151.196.201.51/diana/ </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3>

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Tremble Bureaucrats
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Gov May Tighten Crypto Exports
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Markoff reports today on a plan to tighten crypto exports for non-bank financial companies and reactions from industry trying to loosen them: http://www.nytimes.com Mirrored: http://jya.com/tighten.txt

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BIOS Help
by Brandon Crosby 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hey, Does anyone know where specs for Award BIOS chips are? I accidentily locked mine and lost the password. -Brandon Crosby

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Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Subject: Re: Further costs of war (fwd) > From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 00:46:22 EST > While I have no love for the japs, I mus point out in all fairness that > FDR was attacking them on all fronts for years: 1) stopping the japs > from immigrating into the us, 2) cutting off their supplies of raw > materials (and therefore pushing the japs to conquer the territories > that would assure the supply). In particular, right before the japs > attacked pearl harbor, the US embargoed oil shipments to the japs. > The japs had said previously that they'd consider such an embargo > as a declaration of war. In particular, their line about p.h. was > that it wasn't a "sulplise attack", and that the US had previously > declared war on the japs by imposing the embargo. The Japanese joined the Tri-partite on Sept. 27, 1940. 5 days later it began its first attacks in Indo-china, 13 months prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor. America was shocked by these acts and interpreted them as openly hostile and tended to strengthen Chian Kai-shek's claims as the legitimate Chinese authority. Prior to this signing Japanese forces had advanced up the Kowloon Peninsula to glair through the wire at Hong Kong. Tokyo demanded the British close the Burma Road and cease all war material trade with China. The British requested the Americans invoke a general embargo as well as moving naval forces to the western Pacific. The Americans rejected all these suggestions. They had moved the Pacific Fleet from the West Coast to Pearl Harbor. Because of the upcoming election it was felt that such actions would be interpreted as support for the British colonialism which was politicaly unacceptable to much of America. The British responded by offering to close the Burma Road for 3 months (during the monsoon season when there was little traffic to interrupt). Only in July of 1940, 2 months before Japan signed the act, did Roosevelt finaly put an embargo in place which covered aviation fuel, lubricants, and certain scrap iron and steel. In September the regulations were tightened. Only in Nov. after being re-elected did he include copper, zinc, brass, oil-drilling equipment, and other strategic materials. It's important to note that as early as January 1941 the Emporer had ordered Yamamoto to review the attack on Hawaii. Presumably because he felt uncomfortable with the entire thing. So the time line is something like this: 15 months prior to Pearl Harbor the US places an embargo on Japan presumably because of their aggressive policies. 13 months prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor the Japanese sign the Tri-partite Act. 12 months prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor the Emporer gets cold feet and orders a review of the plan. > My recollection is that Hitler's generla staff was busily designing the > plans for invading the US, to be implemented after he was done with > the GB and the USSR. They involved invading via his latin american > allies (notably mexico) and possibly canada. However there was no > way to sell the war against germany to the american public, except > as part of a package deal with the war on japs. Actualy at the time, German invasion through Mexico was felt to be a real possibility. There was significant build-up of both covert agents in Mexico as well as military forces along the border during this time. Note, I would appreciate any references to the regulation of Japanese nationals transiting through or applying for residence in the US during this period. Can't say that I've ever seen this issue in anything I've read. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera) This remailer list is somewhat phooey. Go check out http://www.publius.net/rlist.html for a good one. Last update: Thu 23 Oct 97 15:48:06 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ------------ 5:03:45 99.86% nym config(a)nym.alias.net +*#**#**### :34 95.82% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org #*##*+#**** 2:00 95.44% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +++ ++++++* 19:18 95.27% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de -- ---+--- 2:34:19 95.16% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net *++***+ ++ 11:26 95.11% replay remailer(a)replay.com **** *** 10:06 94.93% arrid arrid(a)juno.com ----.------ 8:50:34 94.41% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org --------- 3:38:29 93.53% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org + +*+*+*+ 16:32 92.80% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca + +*-++++ 24:14 92.79% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -..-..---- 9:59:18 92.22% neva remailer(a)neva.org ------****+ 1:03:02 90.39% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com 4:58:22 -36.97% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net 1:01:28 -2.65% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:45:35 -0500 (EST) > From: Jon Galt <jongalt(a)pinn.net> > Subject: Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism > being committed. (Of course there is another definition of crime.) How about an act which harms a person or their property without their prior permission? ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism (fwd)
by Jim Burnes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:19:18 -0600 From: TruthMonger <tm(a)dev.null> Reply-To: 6ualdv8(a)sk.sympatico.ca To: Jim Burnes <jim.burnes(a)ssds.com> Subject: Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism Jim Burnes wrote: > (ahem...now back to your regularly scheduled silliness) Jim, Did you get enough drugs to share with *everybody*? Actually I'm fresh out. I think I'll go back to the coffee pot and brew some more... ;-)

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Re: Further costs of war
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Hettinga wrote: >Of course, all the pseudoconstitutionalist claptrap about the 16th >being unconstitutional is, of course, that. The constitution's what >the Supreme Court says it is, unfortunately. Personally, I do not believe in the infallibility of the Supreme Court. The people on the Court are just people. They can make mistakes. They can have ulterior motives. They can be corrupt. The Constitution is understood by many people to be something like a charter in which the people of the United States granted the government certain powers, reserving all others to themselves. The Constitution has meaning. The Supreme Court may not amend this meaning, it may only interpret it. When the Court makes a decision which is obviously not consistent with the meaning of the Constitution it is reasonable to say that the Court is in error. In an extreme situation many people would say that it is reasonable for the people of the United States to revoke the Charter granted to this government. Consider this scenario: Chief Justice Rehnquist appears in Court wearing a tutu. He declares that the Court has just decided that in emergency situations it is proper and Constitutional for the Supreme Court to take control of the government to protect democracy. Would it be reasonable to say that the Constitution had changed or would it be reasonable to put the Chief Justice in the loony bin? Let's take an example from history. The United States decides to enter World War I. People who are opposed to this war and to the draft make speeches opposing both policies. A law is passed forbidding this activity. The Chief Justice declares that speech may be controlled if it is akin to "yelling 'Fire!' in a crowded movie house." Following this logic, the government jails people who speak against the War and the draft. One of these people, Eugene Debs, campaigns from jail for the Presidency and gets about a million votes. Would it be proper to conclude that speaking against the War may be punished Constitutionally or that the Court had failed to carry out its duties? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHm/SZaWtjSmRH/5AQEifgf/U1n6bFaEy66IyuezGhSG0AbDPCKBfwWd iMuqhy5ZoHqJR/v0RHw2Wupp3ACuYe/CgUrrftN0bzr8WaWThMr8H2kxsnxNoHX4 0cowJfnRxnJkSNoFKYa+t3y/otjYW+YRWBfoyKktvwiK30r7H2jisKPAoOCir8NP W5P10QhzKAvCp/16sCEpqYbzbXDnaiY9D55E6Ew7mLEECeGm+raATUvayksA+BT/ RNhZXQTYMYk7AfeqKxp7fuikQegTRbwC8d4G0jT6kduFOWvI4YaQIKam+eR8Dec9 jzDO5ckcPLaB80p6jQEc0nob4ltBz4mbDqqnc2YBfsAvTSKBIGKKCQ== =IzrC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Further costs of war
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Hettinga wrote: >Of course, all the pseudoconstitutionalist claptrap about the 16th >being unconstitutional is, of course, that. The constitution's what >the Supreme Court says it is, unfortunately. Personally, I do not believe in the infallibility of the Supreme Court. The people on the Court are just people. They can make mistakes. They can have ulterior motives. They can be corrupt. The Constitution is understood by many people to be something like a charter in which the people of the United States granted the government certain powers, reserving all others to themselves. The Constitution has meaning. The Supreme Court may not amend this meaning, it may only interpret it. When the Court makes a decision which is obviously not consistent with the meaning of the Constitution it is reasonable to say that the Court is in error. In an extreme situation many people would say that it is reasonable for the people of the United States to revoke the Charter granted to this government. Consider this scenario: Chief Justice Rehnquist appears in Court wearing a tutu. He declares that the Court has just decided that in emergency situations it is proper and Constitutional for the Supreme Court to take control of the government to protect democracy. Would it be reasonable to say that the Constitution had changed or would it be reasonable to put the Chief Justice in the loony bin? Let's take an example from history. The United States decides to enter World War I. People who are opposed to this war and to the draft make speeches opposing both policies. A law is passed forbidding this activity. The Chief Justice declares that speech may be controlled if it is akin to "yelling 'Fire!' in a crowded movie house." Following this logic, the government jails people who speak against the War and the draft. One of these people, Eugene Debs, campaigns from jail for the Presidency and gets about a million votes. Would it be proper to conclude that speaking against the War may be punished Constitutionally or that the Court had failed to carry out its duties? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHm/SZaWtjSmRH/5AQEifgf/U1n6bFaEy66IyuezGhSG0AbDPCKBfwWd iMuqhy5ZoHqJR/v0RHw2Wupp3ACuYe/CgUrrftN0bzr8WaWThMr8H2kxsnxNoHX4 0cowJfnRxnJkSNoFKYa+t3y/otjYW+YRWBfoyKktvwiK30r7H2jisKPAoOCir8NP W5P10QhzKAvCp/16sCEpqYbzbXDnaiY9D55E6Ew7mLEECeGm+raATUvayksA+BT/ RNhZXQTYMYk7AfeqKxp7fuikQegTRbwC8d4G0jT6kduFOWvI4YaQIKam+eR8Dec9 jzDO5ckcPLaB80p6jQEc0nob4ltBz4mbDqqnc2YBfsAvTSKBIGKKCQ== =IzrC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Free speech and jlist groups press conf on ratings (12/1)
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

** MEDIA ADVISORY ** Press Conference on Internet Ratings and Filtering WHO: Internet Free Expression Alliance (IFEA) WHAT: Press conference announcing the formation of IFEA, a coalition of organizations devoted to the continuation of the Internet as a forum for open expression and to identify new threats to free expression and First Amendment values on the Internet, whether legal or technological. WHEN: Monday, December 1, 12:30 p.m. WHERE: First Amendment Lounge National Press Club 14th & F Streets, N.W. Washington, DC WHY: To address the free speech issues raised by proposals to rate and filter "objectionable" content on the Internet. These proposals will be featured prominently at the White House-endorsed "Internet Online Summit" that opens on December 2. Representatives of the following IFEA member organizations will be available for comment: American Civil Liberties Union American Society of Newspaper Editors Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility Electronic Frontier Foundation Electronic Privacy Information Center Feminists for Free Expression Institute for Global Communications National Campaign for Freedom of Expression National Coalition Against Censorship Society of Professional Journalists CONTACT: David Sobel, EPIC: 202-544-9240 David Greene, NCFE: 202-393-2787 Emily Whitfield, ACLU: 212-549-2566 ..

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Free Crime! (Take One...) / Re: Jim Bell's Sentencing Delayed
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Again Ray Arachelian wrote: > > Of course, it would be difficult to wash away all the FUD the government > > has disseminated about the Bell case by now. > Not so difficult. Remember that Bell stink-bombed those offices > allegedly. This could easily be seen as a teenage-mentality prank. > Play that part up, and the ludicrousness of everything else he was > "schemeing", and it makes the IRS look very very bad. They are pushing > the bad ass terrorist view of him. One way of looking at it is that a greater crime than he committed has already been 'paid for'. Whatever they add to his sentence will serve to increase the value of the 'gift certificate' Bell is buying for some lucky CypherPunk for Christmas. Since much of the authority of society revolves around guilt/shame, then a crime already paid for allows us to committ it without guilt. e.g. - Tim McVeigh I am tired of the whiners who cry out for the public hanging of every person deemed guilty by the justice system of 12 million jurors whipped into an emotional frenzy by the press and the government spin doctors, and who then bitch and moan when some servant of the Tao, such as Terrible Timmy, exercises the other side of the two-edged sword. Since McVeigh was a dead-duck anyway, it is a shame that he didn't just stand up in front of the jury with a history book and a calculator, do some figuring, and say, "By my calculations, not only is my crime already paid for, but 'we the people' still have plenty of 'credit' left on the account." ~~~ YouCanBetYourSweetAssIAmSending*This*PostAnonymouslyMonger

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Fear & Gloating in Tennessee
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From CNN(AP): Web posted at: 10:47 a.m. EST (1547 GMT) FRANKLIN, Tennessee (AP) -- Three books by photographers Jock Sturges and David Hamilton have received some critical praise, but a Tennessee county grand jury claims they may violate state obscenity laws. "The Age of Innocence" by Hamilton and "The Last Day of Summer" and "Radiant Identities" by Sturges were cited in the indictment against Barnes & Noble's Brentwood store. The obscenity charges focus on photographs of nude children in the books. I certainly hope that the prosecutor, judge and jury didn't look at those pictures. Probably turn them all into pedophiles, eh? Barnes & Noble was served with a summons to appear in Williamson County Criminal Court on December 1. Jerome Melson, an attorney for the Tennessee Press Association, said interpretations of what is obscene vary widely and he believes the grand jury is not looking to put anyone in jail. "They're probably just looking for a fine... to get the bookstore to change its manner," he said. "In other words, change your shelves." Oh! Voluntary/Mandatory under threat of imprisonment... Is it time for some new NewSpeak? Volundated -- Voluntary/Mandated Volundatory -- Voluntary/Mandatory Volutelse -- Voluntary/Or else! Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Sure it can. I just did it... TruthMonger

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where to download pgp 5.0 for Linux?
by goddesshera＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

where to download pgp 5.0 for Linux? (for free) This message was automatically remailed. The sender is unknown, unlogged, and nonreplyable. Send complaints and blocking requests to <goddesshera(a)juno.com>.

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Put it where the SUN don't shine...
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Microsoft spoofers, who work for Palladium Interactive software, didn't let the feel-good fest rain on their parade. They said their tiny Larkspur, Calif. company drew lots of interest in their parody of Microsoft's upcoming Windows 98 operating program, which goes by a name that can't be mentioned here because of its sexual connotations. The program includes games such as Billagotchi, an on-screen "cyber pet" that people need to feed money and tend to his needs or else he throws a tantrum. For example, the parody includes an icon for "MS Exploiter" that links to a Palladium Web site. And in a skit based on Star Trek, cartoon characters from the Star Ship Explorer blow up the SS Netscape. "The party line is if you don't have a booth, you can't hand out literature," said Rebecca Murphy, director of product marketing for the firm. "We're just trying to have some fun."

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Update On Jim Bell
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Just a bit of new info about recent court actions, which is documented at: http://jya.com/jimbell-dock4.htm In short, on November 17 Jim's attorney (D') and the prosecutor (P') submitted Sentencing Memoranda to the Court. On November 21 (the previously scheduled sentencing date), D' presented a Supplement to Sentencing Memo. Both of D's memos were Filed Under Seal, but not the P's. On November 21 the Court acks receipt of the sentencing memoranda and a Pre-Sentencing Report (PSR) from the Probation Officer (PO). There was argument. The Court will present counsel with additional questions on sentencing. The sentencing is postponed (continued) until December 12. Jim, jail (D' remanded). Leg. wiz. w'll now expl. ths is just jive just. in No. 1 Amer.

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http:--www.cnn.com-US-9711-24-cyberhate.web.site.ap-
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

CNN logo Navigation Infoseek/Big Yellow Pathfinder/Warner Bros Barnes and Noble Main banner Click here to see the Q phone from QUALCOMM, the highest evolution of digital. rule CIVIL RIGHTS WEB SITE TO FIGHT CYBERHATE CivilRights.org November 24, 1997 Web posted at: 6:01 p.m. EST (2301 GMT) WASHINGTON (AP) -- Responding to President Clinton's call to fight hate crime, the nation's largest civil rights coalition and a regional Bell telephone company have created a Web site designed to combat Internet hate speech. The Leadership Conference on Civil Rights said Monday the site -- www.civilrights.org -- was developed and will be maintained for two years with a $100,000 contribution from Bell Atlantic. Clinton issued a call two weeks ago at a White House Conference on Hate Crimes to find ways to fight the problem. "You are providing an antidote to cyberhate," he told the civil rights coalition in a letter read by Transportation Secretary Rodney Slater at a news conference on Monday. Wade Henderson, LCCR executive director, said the idea to create a Web site was triggered by a proliferation of Internet hate speech by groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and White Aryan Resistance. Bell Atlantic chairman Ray Smith cited a study by the Anti-Defamation League showing the number of hate sites on the Internet has doubled to 250 in the past year. He called the new site "an antidote for poison." The idea is to "counter the frightening espousal of hatred and violence against Americans because of their race, gender, religious or sexual orientation," he said. Henderson said hate groups have become more sophisticated in communicating their doctrines and recruiting. "Instead of the street, they recruit on the net," he explained. There is also concern for the First Amendment protection of free speech, Henderson said. "This Web site will respond to hate with information and competing ideas without seeking to restrict Internet speech." In addition to providing information on hate crimes around the country, the site will explain various strategies to address those crimes and offer materials for young people, parents and teachers to encourage diversity. Copyright 1997 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. rule Related stories: * AllPolitics: Clinton denounces Denver's racial violence - November 22, 1997 * Denver seeks answers in apparent wave of hate crime - November 21, 1997 * Hate case raises Internet free speech issues - November 9, 1997 Related sites: Note: Pages will open in a new browser window * CivilRights.org - Leadership Conference on Civil Rights * Bell Atlantic * American Communication Association WWW Archives + Freedom of Speech + Human Rights Issues External sites are not endorsed by CNN Interactive. _________________________________________________________________ Infoseek search ____________________ ____ ____ _________________________________________________________________ rule Message Boards Sound off on our message boards You said it... [INLINE] Click here to see the Q phone from QUALCOMM, the highest evolution of digital. rule To the top © 1997 Cable News Network, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Terms under which this service is provided to you.

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Re: Further costs of war
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Fabrice Planchon wrote: >Once again, if 1812 the [British] invasion [of the United States] actually occured,... They burned the White House to the ground. Does that count? ;-) Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHnAi5aWtjSmRH/5AQENvAf+MfWfYAmSUYz5jT6W81H07uWtvAAeC7YV rEIo+CLWkxnFBmpBEmuw0bmJEO7SPvgdL7+YrdACrNFuRvXyg6PvfdOOfET0XjC2 FC6atL8fO2TUHDVz47TV57vvBcThJogcUKxVloLgaQTxhoTFlY/VW70T9kvS3VWl uUPrj/d5cDAojcRLVDwqTBPcpeWOp2RloICqbfD5LGBXKVflcMtMLiXGGyR0Cgd3 O8KfYpt+BoiO/IZHqokgVWxN+s+Y9HhEXTWLE8jgxfhGlTLqJUqgR7JWM5Mlh5wG S+qeBKMowlkvi42CtpBFQ/8MtmEZnaiCQof4IcUgOfTFYnfjcJfmRA== =P7qe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Seeing Both Sides
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Hettinga wrote: >Concord is clearly proof that Britain didn't understand that they >couldn't control America anymore and acted on that misinformation. It >was *their* problem, as the revolution bore out. Britain would probably have been capable of controlling America had France not intervened. France provided desperately needed powder and money to the revolutionaries. During the siege of Boston it was seriously proposed that bow and arrows be employed due to powder shortages. Spears were actually prepared for use! France also provided officers to staff the poorly trained and organized American armies, troops, and even a navy. The final victory at Yorktown was largely a French operation, for example. Here is Richard N. Rosenfeld's take on it from "American Aurora": Page 418: "There are approximately 32,000 French soldiers and sailors at Yorktown, four to six times the number of George Washington's army, and more than twice, if not three times, the number of all Americans at Yorktown, including militia. Indeed, there are many more French soldiers on the ground than American Continentals. The entire blockading force at sea is French." Page 419: "Of French and American forces which encircle Charles Cornwallis at Yorktown, the naval part of this circle consists strictly of French warships (more than thirty) and sailors (nineteen thousand!). America has no warships in this naval blockade." Page 419: "Orchestrating the siege at Yorktown is strictly a matter for the French. Washington has no experience in siege warfare. The French perfected the art. Rochambeau has taken part in fourteen sieges! General Lebigne, the Chevalier Du Portail, and other French officers and engineers take charge of siege operations." Page 420: "Two French soldiers die for each American death at Yorktown. Two French soldiers are wounded for each American wound at Yorktown. French casualties exceed 250." Page 421: "British General Charles O'Hara, acting on behalf of General Charles Cornwallis (who has pleaded illness), attempts to surrender Cornwallis' (sic) sword to French Commander in Chief General the Comte de Rochambeau, but Rochambeau magnanimously refuses to accept the surrender weapon and directs the British general to George Washington." Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHnGVJaWtjSmRH/5AQH3hgf+LcvSRiufKxypdjVEXn5vbMa1Ob2IUfyY qSklLDEdYlRP2iOtl1dsLT/XIXaabo6F8lkAVqBXnXffiLd5ewzWs51jI9HEeoMa gtlfgUS49fxBeLeaojen1VVLvr4zkVWjATmspNk1SRu2l6Arc/3KgwPeYgX0A9+V 5fqguVO/frV4BH6wqnVyuKosO2DXoP8njVfjwuTybwO1yO1BQ4+EtgW1m6jkXIwE RjSZsGS7+KK2Ywu9eGWdC2Y0sOPG6k9zy/4zmm+xlttocYx75ixwCwYNWJihNfPe /uT8emxWak0aPAAynug6ZGPU3CXdRZ3JsWKB6a2s3kVgGiIQ2oLxrg== =ZZoe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Iraq and computers
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Michael Wilson wrote that Reuters wrote: >WASHINGTON (November 23, 1997 02:35 a.m. EST http://www.nando.net) - >To conceal its deadliest arms from U.N. weapons inspectors, Iraq has >increasingly turned to U.S.-made computers sold in Baghdad since the >end of the 1991 Gulf War in violation of international sanctions, the >Los Angeles Times reported in its Sunday editions. > >Quoting U.S. officials and U.N. diplomats, the newspaper said that >Iraqi scientists and defense officials are using Western-made >computers to transfer data from bulky papers to small disks that can >be easily dispersed, making the information difficult for inspectors >to track. This is an interesting development because it also makes it hard for the Iraqi government to track what is going on, too. The government of Iraq has been aware of the dangers of computers for many years. At one time they were tightly controlled. Even typewriters were controlled. The government had writing samples of each one. Now, apparently, this policy is loosening. This suggests that U.S. policy of the last 8 years has managed to achieve what Saddam Hussein could not - it has made the Hussein regime a genuinely popular government. Still, it can't be universally popular. How many cypherpunks live in Iraq? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHoZopaWtjSmRH/5AQG9ogf9FFdBqiwOk3gekieqIg3+Yr5pdaYM5/4v lIHPYuPM5IMpe8Wc1DX1FzG4YUC4hGMtj4w6eU8KNc3bSESVDPcU2boUVJtDjQp2 jUh13tKM/s6kwjQXKjH9j5G0cr1fsMrP9v7T4qNSEUA9VV8xI/Zqq7t/jLxncjSC jodmc/IcO5gPwxuvHLw8FR0/qpxuNJXSNWqzBptbT8vHldyPLg1E6rCOdWdNsDdN kvzyW9EXLbNWweK3ezFaWniytRbxE99poJN3iNcdsxjg94otIEpS3oCAJjuCmyrf HYRfv/Z5yzqpY5doAtdfy5RkvREwrINvCtLn+hgcBxQ0YTEDO8zUUg== =jyt7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The Illusion of Freedom
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Nerthus wrote: >Monty Cantsin wrote: >>However, most people who engage in war are not in any sense free and >>the single most apparent feature of life in a military organization is >>the elimination of freedom and privacy. >> >>It is most often the case that in order to wage war, one must first >>become enslaved. > >Those who wage war are rarely the slaves. Those who die usually are. >The "cannon fodder" you mentioned. "Okay soldier, let's see that pass!" Is this the treatment accorded to a free man? Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHoUf5aWtjSmRH/5AQEp5wf+Msxpn/u0SRIxwAWsbTstxm2EK4PzUAg/ zZrPovQ/uhHjG0Wed3tAuaI2mK4EtTNoNEFhXkdbgDDGmsJj2eXeFVr7c0fMjHFt OSDJYuaHc26XYgiC6CqjBnn1viaoPXH873Fgo34v57tHOMqUMGWnKxLgr6DiGroz aZLVEsXJ0UN2C4Z2MuB2FB34MKgsg4TwwBlx33r5544vpHaURtnhedOBAurxpWE9 24WQs2NRh+ogvMk8XCg9stGwMSqR1cxfEkD4ogCWVdh5snvl8QYD3cw3j0fkiWsb YNJ6oqn9095/jBuJxXImd2Yc8a3fVeLlto8B2T/kVzcsfNVgOXdAGA== =tY4g -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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17 Dec '03

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New Algorithm (reposted)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello I send you links to my site where my crypto algorithm is published. I hope you will find time to visit it and see what I have discover. Algorithms I have design are Anigma and MEX128. Anigma is encryption algo based on use Variable Function Technology, it main characteristic is possibility to create unique encryption function for every possible key. This make algorithm strong to all known attacks, this is only my thesis I look for your help to find out is it true. Please visit <http://eon.pmf.ukim.edu.mk/~kbajalc/algo/index.html>. Documentation about Anigma and Mex128 now are available only in Macedonian. I will appreciate very much if you give me your opinion about Anigma and Mex128 or give me address of people who can do. Koki ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------- Kostadin Bajalcaliev http://eon.pmf.ukim.edu.mk/~kbajalc/ 26th of April Str. No: 14 91480 Gevgelija kbajalc(a)eon.pmf.ukim.edu.mk Macedonia kbajalc(a)informa.mk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------

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Re: Report on UN conferen
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mikhael Frieden <mikhaelf(a)mindspring.co> wrote reg. "illegal immigrants": > > In a much more fundamental sense, if they were not given > > constitutional protections they really could be rounded up and > > bussed across the border. > > And what would be wrong with this? > Not a damned thing. While in this country they are in the act of > committing a crime. Once they have been deported they have > stopped committing the crime and then they can plead to appear > in court. It used to be, that people are "felons under an increasing number of laws". Now we've congressed to an "increasing number of felons regardless of what they do" (their "crime" is being from "other side" of the pencil-lines, that the statists have drawn on their papers). Even the "freedom-loving", no-boundaries etc. Cypherpunks fall over those imaginery "border-lines", without having it ever dawn on them, that *everything* done now to "illegal immigrants" will one day soon be extended to the government-issued passport/digital VeriSign-Tax-ID bearing "Americans" as well. (Please refer to the "War on Drugs" for proof of patterns.) In fact, it's being done already. The systems developed to "track down illegal aliens" can track ANYBODY for that matter. AnybodyHomeMonger

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Re: Seeing Both Sides
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Hettinga wrote: >Concord is clearly proof that Britain didn't understand that they >couldn't control America anymore and acted on that misinformation. It >was *their* problem, as the revolution bore out. Britain would probably have been capable of controlling America had France not intervened. France provided desperately needed powder and money to the revolutionaries. During the siege of Boston it was seriously proposed that bow and arrows be employed due to powder shortages. Spears were actually prepared for use! France also provided officers to staff the poorly trained and organized American armies, troops, and even a navy. The final victory at Yorktown was largely a French operation, for example. Here is Richard N. Rosenfeld's take on it from "American Aurora": Page 418: "There are approximately 32,000 French soldiers and sailors at Yorktown, four to six times the number of George Washington's army, and more than twice, if not three times, the number of all Americans at Yorktown, including militia. Indeed, there are many more French soldiers on the ground than American Continentals. The entire blockading force at sea is French." Page 419: "Of French and American forces which encircle Charles Cornwallis at Yorktown, the naval part of this circle consists strictly of French warships (more than thirty) and sailors (nineteen thousand!). America has no warships in this naval blockade." Page 419: "Orchestrating the siege at Yorktown is strictly a matter for the French. Washington has no experience in siege warfare. The French perfected the art. Rochambeau has taken part in fourteen sieges! General Lebigne, the Chevalier Du Portail, and other French officers and engineers take charge of siege operations." Page 420: "Two French soldiers die for each American death at Yorktown. Two French soldiers are wounded for each American wound at Yorktown. French casualties exceed 250." Page 421: "British General Charles O'Hara, acting on behalf of General Charles Cornwallis (who has pleaded illness), attempts to surrender Cornwallis' (sic) sword to French Commander in Chief General the Comte de Rochambeau, but Rochambeau magnanimously refuses to accept the surrender weapon and directs the British general to George Washington." Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHnGVJaWtjSmRH/5AQH3hgf+LcvSRiufKxypdjVEXn5vbMa1Ob2IUfyY qSklLDEdYlRP2iOtl1dsLT/XIXaabo6F8lkAVqBXnXffiLd5ewzWs51jI9HEeoMa gtlfgUS49fxBeLeaojen1VVLvr4zkVWjATmspNk1SRu2l6Arc/3KgwPeYgX0A9+V 5fqguVO/frV4BH6wqnVyuKosO2DXoP8njVfjwuTybwO1yO1BQ4+EtgW1m6jkXIwE RjSZsGS7+KK2Ywu9eGWdC2Y0sOPG6k9zy/4zmm+xlttocYx75ixwCwYNWJihNfPe /uT8emxWak0aPAAynug6ZGPU3CXdRZ3JsWKB6a2s3kVgGiIQ2oLxrg== =ZZoe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Violence and Depravity
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A Noncom To Be Named Later wrote: >Monty Cantsin wrote: >>Violence is, in nearly every case, a poor investment of time, >money, and energy. > >I disagree. I've removed the discussion regarding McVeigh's involvement. It is entirely possible he is an Oswald. I simply do not know. However, my discussion was really intended to consider the morality of war and to point out that McVeigh's alleged actions and alleged values are not far removed from those exercised by governmentally sponsored warriors. If you like, change all the names and call it a thought problem. >Consider that if this action was meant to revenge or commemorate the >Waco massacre, it achieved the opposite goal. However, if this was >the work of agents-provocateur, it worked beautifully. For the sake of discussion, let's say that the Oklahoma City bombing was the act of provocateurs hoping to increase the power and authority of the U.S. Federal government. It is the case that the use of violence has been applied to this goal successfully many times in the past. This certainly does call into question my claim that "Violence is, in nearly every case, a poor investment of time, money, and energy." Your observation and my claim are actually not inconsistent if you consider that I do not consider increasing the power and authority of most governments as a good thing. Let's expand the discussion to war. If one considers it desirable to: 1. increase taxes, 2. to waste vast resources, 3. to kill large numbers of civilians indiscriminately or methodically, 4. to kill large numbers of conscripts, 5. to destroy the land, 6. to create millions of people who will live the rest of their lives in post combat nightmares, 7. to lay the seeds for future wars, 8. to create thousands, or even millions, of orphans, 9. to cause food shortages and disease, 10. and to traumatize human society, then violence in the form of war is a good investment. Not too many people see this as desirable. I still maintain that in nearly every case, if one is intent on pursuing a worthwhile goal, it will not be attained through the use of violence. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBNHoSgpaWtjSmRH/5AQG+FQf/TRMgXwhH3nlJ27EMupdSxZoIwWQQRdkn g0E5PjVaB7E6xHuUpq+fKW7zqzm9egIEPa2aQxthXkghjiT+7yDZgkeLlbZ6NCs3 UtUTQUo57uHPHioojwI9Q+d2ENG+QTLIGHeaoOVDHPzMATffFCZ1B6qdBcjdHaJ3 BnxBviPffrfAMsl1C4foOTSrIonKKd74ad0j2vCefGN3w8c71RKilrTBFZfVEoD1 gKG+Dn8u4ea83QNLOR7zuJf8Zwsas9aqvaMD5qcQLZyhxm/ehm/UOqWQRdPDAb13 4o0Cd0kZ+3DyIs6dzi9PZVOge594rt6LBOPQfMcoB899t/SpxI0Q0Q== =a8p7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The Illusion of Freedom
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Monty Cantsin wrote: >Nerthus wrote: >>Monty Cantsin wrote: >>>However, most people who engage in war are not in any sense free and >>>the single most apparent feature of life in a military organization is >>>the elimination of freedom and privacy. >>> >>>It is most often the case that in order to wage war, one must first >>>become enslaved. >> >>Those who wage war are rarely the slaves. Those who die usually are. >>The "cannon fodder" you mentioned. > >"Okay soldier, let's see that pass!" Is this the treatment accorded >to a free man? Clearly not. Let me rephrase what I said since it appears it was not as obvious as I had thought. Those who wage war (the politicians/"kings") are rarely the slaves. Those who die (the soldiers/citizens) usually are. The soldiers and citizens are the pawns and other chessmen on the chessboard who are sacrificed to protect the king of their color while attempting to checkmate the king of the other color. All chessmen are expendable, except the two kings. When one of the kings is checkmated, the game is over. Note: the king can be checkmated without the loss of a single chessman, though it is rare. However, the possibility exists. Think about it. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNHtawOFWwZe05jcJAQGvZggAhDzCHUGgXEsKkPIEoiuhfqIDVsjVDEnY xDHeJcaBnTQmlp3bbqapgEyfMwisxGKOqYkEe4UknKkGgTfSFZZ/3lpaY7ljbowE qaeO/yHrJOhABeGnBQgLNJUpF5JyA29nGNqyjaKS8u9fi6hN5VeE+UgoLagRwwnf fyphD9Q6hzvaka0TeeLua9h294HgHXu7L8CSUvsTlnA4CEHfebMxDIkyBE6k2TOV UWDZusi9Qs/vr1MRDAD5+9i1OdIqS+YZedpE/yt7w+xsqZr/+W9bz4rSc3Feba6h PipF0Jb5SBwIv4C6bRuHIpJ9mbm3C5LNbTq84RKaCVU0xp+SMWQB1g== =4XaY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: RESULT: comp.org.cauce passes 548:122
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jari Aalto -- AT poboxes.com <ssjaaa(a)uce-die.uta.fi> wrote: > | Anon.penet.fi was *NOT* an anonymous remailer, though. It was a "pseudonym > | server". The fact that it maintained a database by which posts could be > | "traced back to a real address" is the main reason why it's no longer in > | operation. > > You give wrong inmpression about PENET; which was after all, the first > anonymnous service. There are levels of anonymity. For penet strory, > refer to this: > > http://www2.thecia.net/users/rnewman/scientology/anon/penet.html I'm not knocking the anon.penet.fi experiment. We've all learned a lot from it. Let's not forget those lessons. The same attack has been tried on two different remailers. In 1996, the anon.penet.fi remailer was the subject of an attack by the Co$. As part of that attack, the remailer's database which linked the "anonymous" accounts to their actual holders. The operator valiantly defended the integrity of that database, and it was not compromised. But the potential was certainly there. This year, Jeff Burchell's "Huge Cajones Remailer" came under attack. Alleging "abuse" involving that remailer, Gary Burnore and Belinda Bryan of DataBasix demanded that Jeff turn over ALL his logs to them. Fortunately, Jeff wisely kept no such logs. Even though the remailer was eventually harassed out of existence, the privacy of its users was preserved because the information the attackers demanded simply wasn't there to demand. That's a wise idea for the same reason that retail merchants remove the cash from their cash registers when they're closed, leaving the cash drawers unlocked. There's less temptation to stage an attack if you know in advance that you won't get what you're seeking (the identity of someone you'd like to silence, for example) by staging such an attack. Any operator that keeps identifying information is inviting litigation, or worse. If you're an ISP and are making money, then perhaps that risk is justified. But you can't expect a volunteer operator of a free remailer to take such a risk for nothing. You're right. For those who only need a superficial level of "anonymity" and don't really care if their identity is eventually revealed publicly, some of the alternatives such as Hotmail would perhaps suffice. But that's a decision best left to the user, and not to be mandated by others with a lesser stake in the consequences. --

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1812_Napoleon_in_Moscow.htm
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Napoleonic Literature Greenhill [INLINE] Books _________________________________________________________________ [INLINE] 1812: NAPOLEON IN MOSCOW by Paul Britten Austin 9 x 6 in. (240 x 159 mm). 272 pages. 22 halftones, 2 maps. ISBN 1-85367-195-9. U.K. Price £19.50. U.S. Price $40.00. Napoleon's Grande Armée waits at the gates of Moscow, preparing to enter in triumphal procession. But it finds a city abandoned by its inhabitants - save only the men who emerge to fan the flames as incendiary fuzes hidden throughout the empty buildings of Moscow set the city alight. For three days Moscow burns, while looters dodge the fires to plunder and pillage. And so begins 1812: Napoleon in Moscow, Paul Britten Austin's atmospheric 'word-film' presented through the testimony of more than 100 of the people who witnessed the took part in the campaign. A large proportion of these close-up accounts have never been seen in English before. After the fires die down the army settles in the ruins of Moscow. For five weeks Napoleon waits at the Kremlin, expecting 'his brother the Tsar' in St. Petersburg to capitulate and make peace, while in fact the Russian army is gathering its strength. At the same time Murat's cavalry, the advance guard, is encamped in dreadful conditions three days' march away at Winkowo, where it is being starved to death. When Napoleon eventually realizes the futility of his plans and prepares to leave Moscow, the advance guard is surprised by a Russian attack and tumbles head over heels out of its position. The most astounding exodus in modern times ensues. Trailing thousands of wagons and carriages laden with all the stupendous loot of Moscow, the Grande Armée moves slowly south in an attempt to outflank the Russian General Kutusov. At Malo-Jaroslavetz, 100 kilometers from Moscow, it runs headlong into ten of Kutuzov's divisions, and its 'conquest of the world' comes to an end with the shock of Napoleon himself narrowly escaping capture by Cossacks. 1812: Napoleon in Moscow follows on from the brilliant 1812: The March on Moscow, which brought Napoleon's army across Europe to the great city. Paul Britten Austin recreates this next phase of the epic campaign with characteristic verve, and an astonishing sense of immediacy from the words of the participants themselves. Paul Britten Austin went to sea as a cabin boy in the British merchant marine, graduating to Radio Officer and serving in tankers and liberty ships. In 1947 he recovered his childhood home in Paris, but moved to Sweden, where he married the Swedish novelist Margareta Bergman, sister of the film director. For nearly a decade he was in charge of English-language broadcasts from Radio Sweden; thereafter, from 1957 to 1969, of the Swedish government tourist office in London. He has written a score of books on various subjects, both in English and in Swedish, including a classic biography of the eighteenth century Swedish poet Carl Michael Bellman. He has also translated many other Swedish classics and he has been awarded a Swedish knighthood of the Order of the North Star and an honorary D.Litt. In 1989 he contributed the article on Marshal Oudinot to David Chandler's anthology Napoleon's Marshals. _________________________________________________________________ (If you surfed directly to this page, please go to the Napoleonic Literature Home Page to see the wealth of information that's available on this website.)

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"Good job NANAE. You really fucked up royally." (was: Furor over Spam)
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

tweek(a)netcom.com (R R M Tweek) wrote: > I think it's fucking funny if you ask me. The unworthy "databasix goons" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > were concerned just about this sort of thing occuring. Isn't it amazing how they can "predict" thing like that? > I hope that > LOA was running some sort of caller ID, or supeonas the phone records > of those calls who step across the line and made threats in their 4am > phone calls. Can't wait to see how this story sways the congresscritters > when Sanford tries to spin this incident his was in the anti-spam legislation > hearings. Maybe you ought to give (or sell cheaply) your fellow "databasix goon" Gary Burnore the clue that if he's going to call an alleged "spammer" on the phone at 2 AM and ream him about a Usenet post, that he shouldn't brag about it publicly. And yet he did exactly that. Would it be any wonder if people were to start suspecting that he might have done the same thing again? Now go subpoena those phone records. You might want to concentrate on calls made from the Raleigh-Durham, NC area. If you're alluding to the fact that Ron Guilmette may have been responsible, since the disinformation team at DataBasix has accused him practically everything else, you have about as much chance of proving that as O.J. Simpson does of "finding the real killers". > Good job NANAE. You really fucked up royally. One could conceivably substitute "DataBasix" for "NANAE" in that flame. --

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Re: Open Letter from ClickZ Publisher
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

gburnore+spam(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) wrote: > : gburnore+spam(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) wrote: > : > > : >Oh no, couldn't have been anyone from this group, right? BULLSHIT. > : > : Unless it was you, criminal. > > So a being arrested (a ticket actually) is being a criminal to you, eh? Good ol' Gary "Shoot from the Lip" Burnore ... gotta love 'im, right? I gotta hand it to you, Burnore, you have a knack for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The "criminal" comment was obviously intended as a joke, and the poster even apologized for it, but you just couldn't leave it alone, could you? You had to go bragging about your "martyrdom" in San Francisco, didn't you? For further info on Gary's arrest, visit: http://www.e-media.com/cm/sac.html First off, it eventually became "a ticket actually" because it was plea bargained down to that. That's one of the advantages of committing a "politically correct" offense in a city like Frisco. The San Francisco Police Department presumably doesn't take people into custody and impound their vehicles for mere traffic tickets. But it does prove that you're willing to break the law to prove a point. Remember how you bragged about calling a spammer at home at 2 AM to harass him? When you say: "Oh no, couldn't have been anyone from this group, right? BULLSHIT." you're absolutely correct. It could have been you! I have no doubt that someone who'd dig up an ancient tax lien and post it to Usenet in an attempt to embarass and silence a critic could well have done what's mentioned here. --

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NEW TRAVEL INFO -- Togo (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From owner-travel-advisories(a)stolaf.edu Wed Nov 26 03:44:15 1997 Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:27:10 -0500 From: owner-travel-advisories <owner-travel-advisories(a)stolaf.edu> Subject: NEW TRAVEL INFO -- Togo Sender: Wally Doerge <76702.1202(a)compuserve.com> To: travel-advisories(a)stolaf.edu Message-ID: <199711241131_MC2-2974-E60C(a)compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Precedence: bulk STATE DEPARTMENT TRAVEL INFORMATION - Togo ============================================================ Togo - Consular Information Sheet June 20, 1997 Country Description: Togo is a small west African nation with a developing economy. Tourism facilities are limited, especially outside Lome, the capital city. Entry Requirements: A passport and visa are required. Proof of yellow fever immunization is required. Travelers should obtain the latest information and details from the Embassy of the Republic of Togo, 2208 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20008. The telephone number is (202) 234-4212. Overseas inquiries should be made at the nearest Togo embassy or consulate. Areas of Instability: Togo has experienced periodic violence and strikes over the past five years. Although the situation has been calm since 1994, the potential exists for unsettled political conditions. Medical Facilities: Medical facilities in Togo are limited. Some medicines are available through local pharmacies. Doctors and hospitals often expect immediate cash payment for health care services. U.S. medical insurance is not always valid outside the United States. The Medicare/ Medicaid program does not provide for payment of medical services outside the United States. Travelers have found supplemental medical insurance with specific overseas and medical evacuation coverage to be useful. For additional health information, travelers can contact the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's international travelers hotline at (404) 332-4559. Internet: http://www.cdc.gov. Information on Crime: Pickpocketing and theft is common, especially along the beach and in the market areas of Lome. There has been an increase in the reports of carjacking. Business fraud stemming from Nigerian scam operations target Americans and pose dangers of financial loss and physical harm. Persons contemplating business deals in Togo with individuals promoting investment in Nigeria, especially the Central Bank of Nigeria or the Nigerian National Petroleum Company, are strongly urged to check with the U.S. Department of Commerce or the U.S. Department of State before providing any information, making financial commitments, or traveling to Togo. The loss or theft abroad of a U.S. passport should be reported immediately to local police and to the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate. The pamphlets "A Safe Trip Abroad" and "Tips for Travelers to Sub-Saharan Africa" provide useful information on protecting personal security while traveling abroad and on travel in the region in general. Both are available from the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C. 20402. Drug Penalties: U.S. citizens are subject to the laws of the country in which they are traveling. In Togo, the penalties for possession, use or trafficking in illegal drugs are strictly enforced. Convicted offenders can expect jail sentences and fines. Road Safety/Automobile Travel: Intercity roads are generally paved; however, conditions are poor and dangerous. Overland travel off the main network of roads generally requires a four-wheel drive vehicle. Poorly-marked armed checkpoints, often manned by undisciplined soldiers, exist throughout the country. Nighttime travel on unfamiliar roads is dangerous. Banditry, ranging from extortion by security forces to armed robbery, has been reported on all major intercity highways, including the Lome-Cotonou coastal highway. Credit Card Usage: Not all major credit cards are accepted in Togo. Travelers planning to use credit cards should be aware which cards are accepted before they commit to any transaction. Embassy Location/Registration: U.S. citizens are encouraged to register with the Consular Section of the U.S. Embassy at the intersection of Rue Polisher Caventou and Rue Vauban, Lome, telephone (228) 21-29-91, and to obtain updated information on travel and security in Togo. The Embassy's fax is (228) 21-79-52 and the mailing address is B.P. 852, Lome. No. 97-106 This replaces the Consular Information Sheet dated May 3, 1996, to update information on entry requirements and provide information on credit card usage. ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- The "travel-advisories(a)stolaf.edu" mailing list is the official Internet and BITNET distribution point for the U.S. State Department Travel Warnings and Consular Information Sheets. To unsubscribe, send a message containing the word "unsubscribe" to: travel-advisories-request(a)stolaf.edu Archives of past "travel-advisories" postings are available at the URL: "http://www.stolaf.edu/network/travel-advisories.html" or via Gopher: gopher.stolaf.edu, Internet Resources/US-State-Department-Travel-Advisories

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Re: Further costs of war (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:00:04 -0500 > From: Fabrice Planchon <fabrice(a)math.Princeton.EDU> > Subject: Re: Further costs of war (fwd) > On Mon, Nov 24, 1997 at 01:30:37PM -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > To quote one of your examples, > the production of the Me 262 was seriously delayed due to his obsession > to make a bomber of it. Not that it would have changed the game, just > made it more difficult for the allies. True, but my reference had to do with what would have happened if the US had NOT gotten into the conflict. Then such shortages as the 4-engine bomber would not have been as critical to Germanys servival as early in the war. The bottem line, had the US not entered the war Germany and Japan had enough resources to reach their goal. Further, it is unreasonable given the nature of Hitler, Mussolini, & Tojo to believe they would have left the US alone, let alone stable long-term trade. > > Such as? The situation in China at the time was that a variety of warlords > > were spending more time fighting each other than the Japanese. China > > Nothing better than a common enemy to help reconciliation... It's unfortunate the Chinese didn't see it that way. > Well, you want to stick to this issue of fighting battles between > armies. Actualy I am discussing the strategic and operational level, not tactical. It isn't the result of a single battle but rather the management of a string of battles that is important to winning. That takes understanding motives, transportation, raw supplies, processing facilities, etc. The thesis was that had the US not entered the war the result would have been a relatively benign quad of the US, Germany, Italy, & Japan, supposedly moderated by distance and economic dependancy. I challene that. Consider the strategic interacion of 3 parties, easily extensible to more. It is in each of the parties best long-term interest (assuming unrestricted access to resources, theological supperiority, etc.) to pair with one of the other parties and attack the 3rd, evenly splitting the spoils. The stablist strategic form is binary or possibly unitary. I would further feel historicaly supported to propose that given sufficient time, resources, and planning this situation will develop *and* devlolve to either a binary or a unitary form. A recent example was the Soviet Union. The interesting question is whether the current apparent unitary position of the US will devlove into a multi-party situation or whether it can actualy win over by some means the other parties to willing cooperation. > So I am ready to accept that they win all this battles. So what > next ? next they have to deal with too many territories to take care > of. Unless they can have local faction to deal with that for > them. Doesn't work very well usually. That's simple constation from past > history. That's all. They won't be able to put a japanese soldier in > every household from the great wall to Rhode Island. And once they had control of the basic infrastructure they wouldn't have to. I challenge the thesis that the Japanese would have had to put a soldier in every house. Consider the situation in Vichy France and it's relationship with German occupiers. The Chinese could certainly have no higher level of objectionable feelings. Yet the Vichy French as a rule were quite cooperative in supporting German goals. Even to the point of firing on their French brothers in North Africa. > This Abyssinia adventure was one of the reasons Mussolini got in trouble > with, let's say, the ONU of this time, the "Société des Nations", as you > pointed out. Doesn't change anything to what I said, and can be checked, > about the fact that Mussolini wasn't a great friend of Hitler at > first. It came more as a necessity than anything else. Why? The Tripartite Pact wasn't signed until Sept. 27, 1940. A considerable time before this Churchill had been sending letters to Mussolini requesting him to stand against Germany. That act on Mussolini's part would definitely thrown a wrench in the Germans plan on the strategic and political level. He chose to go with the Germans because he at some level felt they would win. > > If the US had waited until Hitler began dropping bombs on New York and > > firing V2's from submarines 20 miles off the coast while at the same time > > Japan was doing the same sorts of things, with a nice base at Pearl Harbor, > > *and* you claim the US could have stood the test then I can only say you > > are confused at best. > > I think they could have done it. Let's say 50/50 ;-) Seriously? What would the US have used? The P-51 Mustang would most certainly not have gotten the surge it did because Britian would have been giving their hot-rod Merlins to the Germans to put in their 109's. The impact of that simple act alone would have seriously crippled the US and given a considerable lead to the Germans in engine technology. Consider also that without the military load the ME-262, Komet, Blitz Bomber, V2, etc. would have gotten farther quicker. The US got its first jet engine from Whipple who was a Brit. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Microsoft/Phillipines
by Jon Galt 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is from Infobeat News - Morning Edition, 11/24/97 > *** Microsoft grants software amnesty to Philippines > > Philippines President Fidel Ramos met with Microsoft Corp. Chairman > Bill Gates Friday and collected a certificate legalizing much of his > government's pirated computer software. After a ceremony to observe > the signing of agreements tightening relations between the software > giant and the Philippines, Gates gave Ramos a license for free > software that was the equivalent of a partial declaration of amnesty. > The license allows the Philippine government to use older Microsoft > products, such as the DOS operating system, that previously were > being used illegally by many government agencies. See > http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=6086523-f4f I think it is really cool that a private company can actually negotiate somewhat as an equal with a government. One implication of this is that Microsoft is becoming a more powerful corporation - which is not necessarily a good thing. But the other thing it might imply is that the power of government is slipping - which is definitely a good thing. ______________________________________________________________________ Jon Galt e-mail: jongalt(a)pinn.net website: http://www.pinn.net/~jongalt/ PGP public key available on my website. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. ______________________________________________________________________

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Re: Report on UN conferen
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > Even the "freedom-loving", no-boundaries etc. Cypherpunks fall over > those imaginery "border-lines", without having it ever dawn on > them, that *everything* done now to "illegal immigrants" will one > day soon be extended to the government-issued passport/digital > VeriSign-Tax-ID bearing "Americans" as well. > (Please refer to the "War on Drugs" for proof of patterns.) Please give us some references to your abusive and highly infalmmatory allegations that the Gov't has followed a pattern of transgression on the rights of any judaeo-christian-god-fearing-tax-paying-40bit-key-using-honest-law-abiding-citizen.(TM) I for one just can't bring myself to believe it. > In fact, it's being done already. The systems developed to "track > down illegal aliens" can track ANYBODY for that matter. Proof Please. Or at least a more concrete reference to these nebulous systems would be nice.

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USACM Calls on Pres Clinton to Veto HR 2265
by USACM Washington Office 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PRESS RELEASE TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 25, 1997 COMPUTER SCIENTISTS URGE PRESIDENT CLINTON TO VETO LEGISLATION RESTRICTING FLOW OF SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION Computer scientists fear that legislation rushed through in the closing days of Congress may inadvertently criminalize many scientific publications that are freely available on the Internet today. They are calling on the President to veto the measure. The Association for Computing's U.S. Public Policy Committee (USACM) said that the legislation could lead to criminal prosecutions against scientists, educators and others who do nothing more than share their own articles on the Internet with students and colleagues. According to USACM Chair Dr. Barbara Simons, "This legislation was hurried through Congress, was poorly drafted, and is likely to have many unintended consequences." The "No Electronic Theft Act" would criminalize the copying of materials which are currently protected under the well established U.S. doctrine of Fair-Use. According to the Act, any person who infringes a copyright willfully, by the electronic reproduction or distribution of one or more copies which have a total retail value of more than $1000 dollars, will be subject to a criminal prosecution. The scientists say that an essential element of research is that papers be reviewed by others. Scientists submit papers describing their research to scientific journals which facilitate the peer-review process. The journals then print the reviewed papers and thus own their copyrights. Since the Internet's development, researchers have used it to make their research widely available to others in their field. According to the letter, "Under the No Electronic Theft Act, an author who posts their research on the Internet, and whose documents are frequently read on-line, could be subject to criminal prosecution." USACM argues that the No Electronic Theft Act will have a chilling effect upon the free speech of scientists and professionals in universities and research labs. Universities may forbid scientists from publishing their research on- line, or reading and reviewing other scientist's research on-line, to avoid the potential of massive copyright litigation. According to Dr. Simons "This legislation is clearly contrary to the White House's stated goal of avoiding Internet regulation. We believe it is inconsistent with the Administration's policy to promote dramatically expansive laws for the Internet where other less burdensome means may be available to address copyright concerns." The Association for Computing (ACM) is the largest and oldest professional association of computer scientists in the United States. ACM's U.S. Public Policy Committee (USACM) facilitates communications between computer scientists and policy makers on issues of concern to the computing community. For more information, Please contact: Barbara Simons, Chair, USACM: 408/256-3661, simons(a)VNET.IBM.COM David Farber, USACM: 215/898-9508, farber(a)cis.upenn.edu Lauren Gelman, Associate Director, USACM, 202/544-4859, gelman(a)acm.org http://www.acm.org/usacm/copyright/ _____________________ November 25, 1997 President William J. Clinton 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., NW Washington, DC 20500 Dear President Clinton: The Association for Computing's U.S. Public Policy Committee believes that the "No Electronic Theft Act" (H.R. 2265), which is now before you, does not adequately reflect the nature of the new digital environment and will have a negative impact on the rich scientific communications that have developed on the Internet in many fields, including computer science. For this reason, we are asking you to veto the legislation. We agree that copyright holders have a legitimate need to protect their intellectual property. However, we are concerned that the bill was rushed through both Houses of Congress without careful consideration of its unintended consequences. We are concerned the Bill may: * Restrict scientists and other professionals from making their research available on the Internet for use by colleagues and students. Most scientists do not own the copyright on their own materials. Instead, that copyright ownership is retained by the scientific journal which peer-reviews and publishes the research. Under the No Electronic Theft Act, an author who posts their research on the Internet, and whose documents are frequently read on-line, could be subject to criminal prosecution. If the bill becomes law, scientists may have to choose between having their work peer-reviewed or making it widely available. * Criminalize the transfer of information that is currently protected under the U.S. 'fair use' doctrine. Copyright law is derived from the U.S. Constitution and is intended to advance "science and the useful arts." The fair-use doctrine protects reading and nonprofit copying and thus allows scientists and educators to openly exchange information. H.R. 2265 does not explicitly protect the "fair use" privilege which makes this open exchange of scientific information possible. * Chill free speech in universities and research labs. The terminology used in the Bill, including "willfully" and "for profit," are not defined; it is unclear what the parameters of a criminally prosecutable copyright infringement are. As a result, it is likely that many institutions will mandate that all copyrighted documents be removed from the net to avoid having to defend copyright infringement prosecutions. We hope that you will veto this measure and ask your staff to work with Congress during the next session to develop more sensible legislation. Sincerely, Dr. Barbara Simons Chair, U.S. Public Policy Committee Association For Computing The Association for Computing (ACM) is the largest and oldest professional association of computer scientists in the United States. ACM's U.S. Public Policy Committee (USACM) facilitates communication between computer scientists and policy makers on issues of concern to the computing community. cc: Vice President Albert Gore, Jr. Ira Magaziner, Senior Adviser to President Brian Kahin, Office of Science Technology and Public Policy. Henry J. Hyde, Chair, House Judiciary Committee John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Member, House Judiciary Committee Howard Coble, Chair, Courts and Intellectual Property Subcommittee, House Judiciary Committee Orrin G. Hatch, Chair, Senate Judiciary Committee Patrick J. Leahy, Ranking Member, Senate Judiciary Committee John Ashcroft, Chair, Constitution, Federalism and Property Rights Subcommittee, Senate Judiciary Committee Mike DeWine, Chair, Antitrust, Business Rights and Competition Subcommittee, Senate Judiciary Comittee Representative Virgil H. Goode Representative Barney Frank, House Judiciary Committee Representative Christopher Cannon, House Judiciary Committee Representative William Delahunt, House Judiciary Committee Representative Elton Gallegly, House Judiciary Committee Representative Bob Clement

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Global Strategic Structure - Speculative
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thesis: Given, - n-party political systems evolve/devolve into binary or unitary party systems. - a binary system is stable provided each individual party is stable. - no truly global unitary system has ever existed. - historicaly we see multi-party systems devolve into 2-3 primary parties. - it may be possible that the US is the first country in history to reach the unitary model. - that unitary position, if it exists, is not total, there being at least 1 3rd world level participant. in fact there being 200+ such parties. Then, - does the unitary position evolve/devolve back to a n-party system where the unitary party is either eliminated or reduced in stature. - is it reasonable that a single governmental system can possibly manage a global resource pool. - will we then see an averaging of political systems across the total set of parties. - is it possible, considering the range of human desires & beliefs, that a multiplicity at todays level of parties is a stable state, because of the averaging effect. In effect creating a global government rule-set for inter-national and intra-national behaviour. the root cause being that this averaging reduces the pay-off for violence and maximizes the pay-off for cooperating. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there | | be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. | | | | -Alan Greenspan- | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Further costs of war
by lcs Mixmaster Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert Hettinga wrote: >Of course, all the pseudoconstitutionalist claptrap about the 16th being >unconstitutional is, of course, that. The constitution's what the Supreme >Court says it is, unfortunately. I don't agree with you on this one, Bob. The fact is that the 16th was never properly ratified. It slid through the cracks, contrary to the procedure for ratifying amendments as outlined in the Constitution. The reason there was no public outcry was because the initial tax was 1% on anyone earning more than $4,000 a year (roughly $80,000 in today's money). Besides, I seriously doubt many people rushed down to the Treasury to cough up their 1% either. This deceptive non-ratification is clearly documented by Bill Benson in his book "The Law That Never Was" <http://www.trustclarks.com/theman.html>. Although his book has been in print for several years, I have yet to hear of anyone who has refuted his claims. The "pseudoconstitutionalist claptrap" that should be pointed out is your claim that "the constitution's what the Supreme Court says it is." Article III, Section 2 of the Constitution gives the Supreme Court judicial power "...to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution..." The words "under this Constitution" imply that the Supreme Court must work by the letter of the law as outlined in the Constitution. How can the Supreme Court pass a decision involving the 16th when the amendment was never ratified as outlined in Section V? These are the kind of shenanigans one would expect from a banana republic tribunal, not the Supreme Court. >Doesn't mean the damn thing shouldn't be repealed, though there's fat >chance of that. Why bother to repeal what never existed? When enough people learn what really happened, and when they couple it with the fact that most of their tax money is wasted and could be better "redistributed" according to their own individual judgement, the house of cards will collapse. > Oh well. Fortunately, we can fight back with digital bearer >settlement. Someday. Soon, I hope. I hope so, too. But I don't advocate waiting until that day to fight back. We can start now by learning the facts and then passing on that knowledge. Consider it to be the creation of a ready and willing market for digital bearer certificates. Nerthus -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNHowuBa1d3zm4nqOEQKtwwCg6gUxAKS4LcDpSG1h6g6Bfm9JmVcAn0Cn +lvOs1E10vZ5oXWl/GcHqKaW =wg93 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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revq.html
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Revolutionary Quotes We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. John Wayne Allegheny Uprising Restrictions of free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us. William O. Douglas The shepherd drives the wolf from the sheep's for which the sheep thanks the shepherd as his liberator, while the wolf denounces him for the same act as the destroyer of liberty. Plainly, the sheep and the wolf are not agreed upon a definition of liberty. Abraham Lincoln The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people. This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. John Adams Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John F. Kennedy Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope...build(ing) a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance. Robert F. Kennedy Those who suppress freedom always do so in the name of law and order. John V. Lindsay Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass All civilization has from time to time become a thin crust over a volcano of revolution. Havelock Ellis Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary. Reinhold Niebuhr This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it. Abraham Lincoln The French Revolution of a hundred and fifty years ago gradually ushered in an age of political equality, but the times have changed, and that by itself is not enough today. The boundaries of democracy have to be widened now so as to include economic equality also. This is the great revolution through which we are all passing. Jawaharlal Nehru If our economy of freedom fails to distribute wealth as ably as it has created it, the road to dictatorship will be open to any man who can persuasively promise security to all. Will Durant Any doctrine that weakens personal responsibility for judgement and for action helps create the attitudes that welcome and support the totalitarian state. John Dewey I call that mind free which jealously guards its intellectual rights and powers, which calls no man master, which does not content itself with a passive or hereditary faith, which opens itself to light whencesoever it may come, which receives new truth as an angel from Heaven. William Ellery Channing A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves. Bertrand de Jouvenel All the higher, more penetrating ideals are revolutionary. They present themselves far less in the guise of effects of past experience than in that of probable causes of future experience. William James A regime, an established order, is rarely overthrown by a revolutionary movement; usually a regime collapses of its own weakness and corruption and then a revolutionary movement enters among the ruins and takes over the powers that have become vacant. Walter Lippman Government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit and security of the people, nation or community; whenever any government shall be found inadequate or contrary to these purposes, a majority of the community hath an indubitable, unalienable, indefeasible right, to reform, alter, or abolish it, in such manner as shall be judged most conducive to the public Weal. George Mason You can never have a revolution in order to establish a democracy. You must have a democracy in order to have a revolution. G.K. Chesterton Here in America we a descended in blood and in spirit from revolutionists and rebels- men and women who dared to dissent from accepted doctrine. As their heirs, we may never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion. Dwight Eisenhower There is no substitute for a militant freedom. Calvin Coolidge He who would be free must strike the first blow. Frederick Douglass Those who give the first shock to a state are the first overwhelmed in its ruin; the fruits of public commotion are seldom enjoyed by him who was the first mover; he only beats the water for another's net. Michel De Montaigne There is a kind of revolution of so general a character that it changes the tastes as well as the fortunes of the world. La Rochefoucauld The art of revolutionizing and overturning states is to undermine established customs, by going back to their origin, in order to mark their want of justice. Blaise Pascal Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence. John Locke Everything I see about me is sowing the seeds of a revolution that is inevitable, though I shall not have the pleasure of seeing it. The lightning is so close at hand that it will strike at the first chance, and then there will be a pretty uproar. The young are fortunate, for they will see fine things. Voltaire The most sensible and jealous people are so little attentive to government that there are no instances of resistance until repeated, multiplied oppressions have placed it beyond a doubt that their rulers had formed settled plans to deprive them of their liberties; not to oppress an individual or a few, but to break down the fences of a free constitution, and deprive the people at large of all share in the government, and all the checks by which it is limited. John Adams It is an observation of one of the profoundest inquirers into human affairs that a revolution of government is the strongest proof that can be given by a people of their virtue and good sense. John Adams To dare: that is the whole secret of revolutions. Antoine Saint-Just An oppressed people are authorized whenever they can to rise and break their fetters. Henry Clay Wherever a man comes, there comes revolution. The old is for slaves. Ralph Waldo Emerson Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communist revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Working men of all countries, unite! Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels All men recognize the right of revolution: that is, the right to refuse allegiance to, or to resist, the government when its tyranny or its inefficiency are great and unendurable. Henry David Thoreau Insurgents are like conquerors: they must go forward. The moment they are stopped they are lost. Wellington Revolutions are not made: they come. A revolution is as natural a growth as an oak. It comes out of the past. Its foundations are laid far back. Wendell Phillips Revolutions never go backwards. William Henry Steward The French revolution was a machine invented and constructed for the purpose of manufacturing liberty; but it had neither lever cogs, nor adjusting powers, and the consequences were that it worked so rapidly that it destroyed its own inventors, and set itself on fire. C.C. Colton Great revolutions, whatever may be their causes, are not lightly commenced, and are not concluded with precipitation. Benjamin Disraeli A reform is a correction of abuses; a revolution is a transfer of power. E.G. Bulwer-Lytton Whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of a right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government; the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind. Declaration of Rights, Maryland There are but three ways for the populace to escape its wretched lot. The first two are by the routes of the wine-shop or the church; the third is by that of the social revolution. M.A. Bakunin Revolutions are not made by men in spectacles. Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr. Revolutions are not made with rosewater. E.G. Bulwer-Lytton It is not the insurrections of ignorance that are dangerous, but the revolts of intelligence. James Russell Lowell The right to revolution is an inherent one. When people are oppressed by their government, it is a natural right they enjoy to relieve themselves of the oppression, if they are strong enough, either by withdrawal from it, or by overthrowing it and substituting a government more acceptable. U.S. Grant Revolutions can no longer be achieved by minorities. No matter how energetic and intelligent a minority may be, it is not enough, in modern times at least, to make a revolution. The cooperation of a majority, and a large majority too, is needed. Jean Jaures One of the chief symptoms of every revolution is the sharp and sudden increase in the number of ordinary people who take an active, independent and forceful interest in politics. Nikolai Lenin It is impossible to predict the time and progress of revolution. It is governed by its own more or less mysterious laws. But when it comes it moves irresistibly. Nikolai Lenin We must enter and take possession of the consciences of the children, of the consciences of the young, because they do belong, and should belong to the revolution. Plutarco Calles Those who are inclined to compromise can never make a revolution. Kemal Ataturk He that accepts protection, stipulates obedience. We have always protected the Americans; we may therefore subject them to government. Samuel Johnson If there was ever a just war since the world began, it is this in which America is now engaged. Thomas Paine I desired as many as could to join together in fasting and prayer, that God would restore the spirit of love and of a sound mind to the poor deluded rebels in America. John Wesley If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed in my country I never would lay down my arms,- never! never! never! William Pitt The American Revolution was a vindication of liberties inherited and possessed. It was a conservative revolution. William E. Gladstone Who draws his sword against his prince must throw away the scabbard. James Howell Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson My call is the call of battle- I nourish active rebellion;/ He going with me must go well armed. Walt Whitman Disobedience in the eyes of any one who has read history is man's original virtue. It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion. Oscar Wilde Disobedience, the rarest and most courageous of the virtues, is seldom distinguished from neglect, the laziest and commonest of the vices. George Bernard Shaw Tyranny brings ignorance and brutality with it. It degrades men from their just rank into the class of brutes; it damps their spirits; it suppresses art; it extinguishes every spark of noble ardor and generosity in the breasts of those who are enslaved by it; it makes naturally strong and great minds feeble and little, and triumphs over the ruins of virtue and humanity. Jonathan Mayhew No government power can be abused long. Mankind will not bear it. Samuel Johnson Some boast of being friends to government; I am a friend to righteous government, to a government founded upon the principles of reason and justice; but I glory in publicly avowing my eternal enmity to tyranny. John Hancock The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it. John Hay It is lawful and hath been held so through all ages for any one who have the power to call to account a tyrant or wicked king, and after due conviction to depose and put him to death. John Milton If a sovereign oppresses his people to a degree they will rise and cut off his head. There is a remedy in human nature against tyranny that will keep us safe under every form of government. Samuel Johnson 'Twixt kings and tyrants there's this difference known;/ Kings seek their subjects' good: tyrants their own. Robert Herrick The mob is easily led and may be moved by the smallest force, so that its agitations have a wonderful resemblance to those of the sea. Polybius The common people suffer when the powerful disagree. Phaedrus Do not wonder if the common people speak more truly than those above them: they speak more safely. Francis Bacon Do not be too severe upon the errors of the people, but reclaim them by enlightening them. Thomas Jefferson The people are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. Thomas Jefferson I am not among those who fear the people. They, and not the rich, are our dependence for continued freedom. Thomas Jefferson The welfare of the people is the supreme law. Motto of Missouri In your dread of dictators you established a state of society in which every ward boss is a dictator, every private employer a dictator, every financier a dictator, all with the livelihood of the workers at his mercy, and no public responsibility. George Bernard Shaw It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep the rest in order. Thomas Jefferson Arbitrary rule has its basis, not in the strength of the state or the chief, but in the moral weakness of the individual, who submits almost without resistance to the domineering power. Friedrich Hatzel Despotism has forever had a powerful hold upon the world. Autocratic government, not self-government, has been the prevailing state of mankind. The record of past history is the record, not of the success of republics, but of their failure. Calvin Coolidge It violates right order whenever capital so employs the working or wage-earning classes as to divert business and economic activity entirely to its own arbitrary will and advantage, without any regard to the human dignity of the workers, the social character of economic life, social justice, and the common good. Pope Pius XI The foundation on which (our government is) built is the natural equality of man, the denial of every pre-eminence but that annexed to legal office, and particularly the denial of a pre-eminence by birth. Thomas Jefferson When the government violates the people's rights, insurrection is, for the people and for each portion of the people, the most sacred of rights and the most indispensable of duties. Marquis De Lafayette Revolution is the larva of civilization. Victor Hugo General rebellions and revolts of a whole people never were encouraged now or at any time. They are always provoked. Edmuns Burke It is only by instigation of the wrongs of men that what we call the rights of men become turbulent and dangerous. James Russell Lowell Revolutions are like the most noxious dungheaps, which bring into life the noblest vegetables. Napoleon When all other rights are taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect. Thomas Paine Caesar had his Brutus, Charles the First his Cromwell, and George the Third may profit by their example. If this be treason, make the most of it. Patrick Henry None but tyrants have any business to be afraid. Hardouin de Perefixe He who strikes terror into others is himself in continual fear. Claudian Tyrants have not yet discovered any chains that can fetter the mind. Colton There is something about men more capable of shaking despotic power than lightening, whirlwind, or earthquake, that is, the threatened indignation of the whole civilized world. Daniel Webster Anarchy is the sure consequence of tyranny; for no power that is not limited by laws can ever be protected by them. John Milton One sharp, stern struggle, and the slaves of centuries are free. George Massey The bigger a state becomes the more liberty diminishes. Jean Jacques Rousseau Every generation must wage a new war for freedom against new forces which seek through new devices to enslave mankind. Progressive Party Platform The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion. Edmund Burke Tyrants are always assassinated too late. That is their great excuse. E.M. Cioran There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. 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