December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

A Spam Experiment
by Robert A. Hayden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Over the past two weeks I ran a little, completely non-scientific, experiment to examine the propgation of spam. First, I created a bogus mailing address that forwarded to my normal address, allowing me to see the different "to" headers. I then posted a single "test" message to six usenet newsgroups to act as catalyst. These were: alt.tv.nypd-blue comp.org.eff.talk comp.os.ms-windows.apps.utilities.win95 comp.sys.mac.portables misc.legal rec.arts.sf.tv Over the next 72 hours, I received 28 pieces of spam, which I catagorize as an unsolicited email attempting to sell me a product or service. 12 of these messages had an address indicating I could respond to have my name removed from future mailings. I responded carefully to each address, but 4 of them bounced as an invalid address, no such domain, or other problem (no route to host, probably because it was physcially diconnected). I also notied that the "reply-to" field had no relationship with the address to request removal on all 12 of them. The other 14 pieces of spam were replied to the "Reply-to:" field. All were bounced as "no such user" or "no such domain". One postmaster wrote with a canned form letter saying their domain had been put in as the reply-to field unknown to them. Over the next 72 hours, I received an additional 49 pieces of spam, including one that was 850k in size and another that was 421k. This batch was NOT replied to in any way, although 17 of them did include an address to reply to request removal. Since the initial six days, there have been a total of 4 spam messages, all of them were also ignored. The last 72 hours have had zero spam. - --- I need to do more tests with a new address, but I am curious as to if the spike in activity during the second 72 hours wasn't caused by the fact that I replied to messages requesting removal. While it is possible that it was caused by slow usenet propogation, it seems to have happened much slower than propogation usually takes (about 12-18 hours on average in the states, last I heard.) This test wasted 3MB of mail space and total of about 75 minutes to download and reply to (requesting removal). Not that at no time did this mail address reqest any mail be sent to them. The only crime committed was to post to usenet. Just my numbers, FYI. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: PGP Signed with PineSign 2.2 iQCVAwUBM5ICSDokqlyVGmCFAQHMegP/U9jLlTR3gtT1fNqqPx2dnWGhGhRl/18W k4nzWHLsDGE08UxJ8xILJ1jkV9UJOhUpHqzZuy6Hr6zUE5duoAEWGBL4tY8xrzty cG2lDXnrXjfkvtDUf7Ixo49aSHz2mQUT/ia6JbLCFPNKby+16LteSQa7w/O0h9aF +u5WonQvCAc= =A18d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Robert A. Hayden hayden(a)krypton.mankato.msus.edu __ -=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=- \/_ http://krypton.mankato.msus.edu/~hayden/Welcome.html \/

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CyberTects/SSZ status (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Sun Jun 1 22:33:10 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199706020333.WAA10315(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: CyberTects/SSZ status To: users(a)einstein.ssz.com Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 22:33:08 -0500 (CDT) Cc: consulting(a)einstein.ssz.com, pwright(a)einstein.ssz.com, toddm(a)tivoli.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2928 Hi, We had our business planning meeting tonite and the following was dediced: * CyberTects will be no more by the end of the week. In its place is a new Commercial Web Service firm called (tadah).. The Armadillo Group There will be specific instructions in a day or so about where to send your payments for outstanding service bills. * Update of service fee's: Monthly webpage $25.00 Customer Server Hosting, monthly $100.00 SLIP/PPP, dial-in, monthly $20.00 SLIP/PPP, dedicated, monthly, 1 IP $100.00 IP Sets, 10 IP's (initial 1 & 9 more), annual $100.00 Shell access, w/ other account only $10.00 Labor charges, hourly, rounded up $80.00 Sales Tax NOT included, 8.25% in Texas * We will be focusing on a limited set of services: - expansion of services provided outside the SOHO sector into the general business community. - various flavors of dial-in and dedicated connectivity options including a move to ISDN availablity with the increase in our primary feed to the Internet. - webpage hosting w/ in-house development as required by the customer. - hosting of customers servers in-house providing a level of technical support previously available only to large firms. * The current Real/Time ISDN contract expires at the end of September. At this point we plan to have either a T1 or ADSL in place with additional servers. * It looks like the current plan is to NOT have onsite service, training, and other services available through CyberTects in the past propogate through this change over. There will be a clearer mailing later in the week better detailing exactly what will be available and what we will be dropping. Note: Even if the firm as a whole ceases to host mailing lists I will continue to host them using my own resources. I will continue to do some onsite service and such on my own. * The future of the Elgin site expansion to fully mirror SSZ and provide 100% backup may not be implimented because of the drop of other services. I have not decided if this will be something that I take on personaly if it is dropped. If you have any further questions or would like to express your views on these changes, please don't send email to me. Instead send it to 'consulting(a)ssz.com' so that the whole group may discuss the issues. Our goal as always is to provide you with professional service & support. Jim Choate The Armadillo Group ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: Rotenberg as the Uber Enemy
by TruthMonger.tm＠dev.null 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert A. Costner wrote: > If EFGA has a > position, it is that first the current laws should be tested against spam. No > new laws should be proposed until today's laws can be shown to be useless > against the problem. Regardless, you are already preparing to participate in the process of new laws being implemented. > DATA GATHERING > While there is nothing wrong with data > harvesting in it's self, what one does with the info may be called into > question. The data is going to be misused. Future legislation will be nothing more than a fight over who gets to misuse it. > Data Collection procedures may be less restrictive than identification > requirements, or content bans. > The reason the TCPA is carefully considered is that once the law allowed for > the promulgation of rules, the FCC had a series of public comment periods and > promoted rules that highly favored privacy while trying to balance the fair > practices of telemarketers. Unfortunately, with spam, most spammers do not > have "fair practices". This can be translated to mean that the little guys can do the same thing that large companies do, only without having to hire high-priced legal help to tell them how to route around the "rules." > If is highly likely that the spam question could be quickly addressed and more > clearly defined without new laws simply by a comment period and the > promulgation of new rules. No new laws, just new rules. Doublespeak? > SPAM vs TELEMARKETING > In 1990, more than 30,000 telemarketing operations employed over 18 million > Americans. Easily we could see over 300K spam operators in business, > employing less than one million people. Each of these individual spammers > could be sending out daily spams. Many of them would be able to reach a > significant portion of the internet users on a daily basis. Right. I'm going to receive 300,000 spams a day without taking steps to stop it, because I'm stupid. And nobody in the free market is going to figure out that they can make a shitload of money by providing a product that solves the problem. And enough people are going to sort through 300,000 emails a day and send people money to keep all the spammers operating. Since we're all so stupid and incompetent, I guess we'd better count on the government and the EFGA-type organizations to do what is necessary to "save" us. Robert's immediate solution is to take a law that doesn't work and promulgate "new rules" so that it does. Right. The "new rules" are going to be decided on by the same lame bunch of actors who made the "old rules" which don't work. And all of those people who aren't paying attention to the old rules are going to have a vision from heaven which tells them to follow the new rules. Question: "With all of the organizations 'busting their ass' for our benefit, when do we start seeing the *good* legislation?" I can use strong crypto to keep my communications private and I can maintain control over my private key. The government wants to pass legislation to change that. What's to debate? I need groups of self-appointed saviors to negotiate the method and timing of how my privacy and freedom are going to be taken away? I don't think so! These "saviors" of our rights are doing nothing more than serving as a buffer for the government as what we already have is being stolen from us. They have taken it upon themselves to negotiate our retreat in the face of loss of our privacy and freedom. They are providing the government with a stamp of approval for "reasonable compromise" of our freedom and privacy via "acceptable legislation." If these organizations are so concerned about my rights, then why do I never see the words "Nazi Ratfuckers!" in their press releases? No more free buffets? No more power lunches with the power mongers? No more nights in the Lincoln bedroom? (OK. I'll calm down and be "reasonable." How about the word, "Bullshit!" I've read the government press releases, I've heard the speeches. It's bullshit, but all I hear coming out of the mouths of the "saviors" of my rights is replies in kind--politispeak.) I keep hearing how these organizations that haven't kept us from getting fucked in the past are working for the future, when one of our own is in jail *now*. Want to impress me? Do something for Jim Bell, because tomorrow it's Tim May, and Adam Back a week later (they got Noriega, and they can get Adam, too.) You don't have time to aide Jim Bell, but you have time to give me dire warnings about getting 300,000 emails a day? You have time to tell me that the "solution" is to have the people who wrote rules that don't work write *new* rules? Horseshit! TruthMonger

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Economist: The disappearing taxpayer
by Vincent Cate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks views of the future in mainstream media. Kind of fun. The following is from: http://www.economist.com/issue/31-05-97/ld4660row.html -- Vince http://www.offshore.com.ai/vince/ [The Economist] The disappearing taxpayer "THE art of taxation", advised Louis XIV's treasurer, Jean-Baptiste Colbert, "consists in so plucking the goose to obtain the largest amount of feathers, with the least possible amount of hissing." His observation remains true, except for one big change. Unlike geese, people in the 17th century did not know how to fly. Now they can. In the coming decades electronic commerce -- combined with the growing ease with which firms can shift their operations from one part of the world to another -- will make it ever easier for people to flee countries where taxes are high, or to evade tax altogether by doing their business in cyberspace. The hole this will leave behind is already worrying many governments (see ). Some argue that it is "unfair" for others to lure their firms away by levying lower taxes, and are pushing for the harmonisation of taxes. Another new idea is to impose a tax on electronic transactions. But although governments everywhere will have to start thinking -- and soon -- about how to raise taxes in the newly weightless global economy, both remedies are flawed. A question of sovereignty . . . Those who advocate harmonisation say that the alternative is a "race to the bottom", as governments sacrifice social spending on the altar of competitiveness. But different countries have different spending needs and make different judgments about the proportion of income to devote to transfers and public services. Indeed -- remember "no taxation without representation" -- such decisions lie at the heart of modern politics. That is why even in the EU, a relentless prober of the boundaries of national sovereignty, proposals to harmonise taxes have made little progress so far. A recent proposal from a panel of economists to make up for the tax losses caused by electronic commerce by introducing a "bit tax" on flows of electronic information is similarly defective. It is hard to see how a single country or even a group might impose such a tax without simply forcing on-line transactions offshore. But in so far as it succeeded, such a tax might just hamper the adoption of information technology, depriving people and businesses of its great productivity benefits. So if neither of these ideas is any good, why not do nothing? It is true that the full impact of electronic commerce and globalisation on governments' taxation powers is still some way off. The fact that tax levels vary from 60% of GDP in Sweden to 32% in America suggests that even in a globalising economy governments are still able to make distinctive fiscal choices. However, every so often a big Swedish company -- Ericsson most recently -- threatens to decamp because egregious income taxes make it difficult to recruit skilled employees. America's corporate taxes have withered to insignificance because of the mobility of firms. At present these are merely straws in the wind, and hardly new ones, but there is no doubt which way the wind is blowing. Some competition between tax regimes may be a good thing, if it encourages governments to show more discipline in their tax and spending policies. But one day globalisation and electronic commerce could make a sizeable dent in a country's total tax revenues. And these forces have already made a big impact on the way the burden of taxes falls on a population. This is what rules out the option of inaction. . . . and of equity Not all firms, workers and products are equally mobile. Entrepreneurs, scientists, tennis players and film stars may be able to uproot themselves in search of lower taxes, but the average worker is still unlikely to become a tax refugee. Although this may reassure governments, it implies that governments will eventually have to cut taxes on the most mobile factors of production, notably skilled workers, while taxes on less mobile unskilled workers will have to rise. Over the past decade or so taxes on capital have already fallen sharply while those on labour have risen. In future it will be harder to tax firms or high-earners at high rates because they are the most mobile. The implication is that unskilled labour will have to bear a greater burden. If they are to mitigate this change while maintaining their tax revenues, governments need to speed up tax reforms that are needed anyway to improve economic efficiency. In most countries at present, exemptions and loopholes distort the allocation of resources. Broadening the tax base by scrapping exemptions such as mortgage interest relief and zero rates of VAT on certain goods and services would allow a much lower rate of tax and therefore reduce the incentive for both tax evasion and migration. Less complex reporting requirements would reduce another incentive to hide from the taxman. A second needed change is to shift the tax base from income towards consumption and property, which is both immobile and hard to hide. Even consumption is becoming more mobile. But a consumption tax would both remove the present disincentive to save and help to collect taxes from tax dodgers (even those whose income comes from invisible Internet sales have to spend it). Having changed so much else in the world economy, globalisation and information technology will inevitably undermine the way governments raise taxes. Reforming the tax system to plug the hole is going to be hard. Not reforming it would be even worse. The Economist Home Page - Search - Contents - Next article © Copyright 1997 The Economist Newspaper Limited. All Rights Reserved

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Firewalls
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy C[retin] May prefers to have sex with little kids because his own penis is like that of a three-year-old. ____ _(____)_ _ooO_(_o__o_)_Ooo_ Timmy C[retin] May

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Re: Creating a unique ID number for a dollar
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Death rays from Mars made Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> write: >There's a way to generate a number for any person which is unique. It is not >shared by anyone else on the planet. It's not guaranteed unique. First, the dollar you use may be a forgery (why forge a dollar? I don't know, maybe they're practicing on low-denomination notes which noone ever looks at closely so they can get the twenties and hundreds perfect. I have a vague memory of someone doing this with either US dollars or UK pound notes some time ago, motivated by the "noone would ever bother forging a dollar/pound, so it has to be genuine" mentality). In addition you'd have to specify "US dollar" rather than just "dollar" because, apart from the different serial number formats, some countries will reissue banknotes if the originals are damaged in printing, which leads to the possibility of two (legitimate) notes with the same serial number being in circulation if the original isn't destroyed as required (I have some of these replacement notes for now-defunct NZ dollar and two-dollar notes stashed away somewhere). Does the US Treasury issue replacement notes if the originals are damaged in printing, or does it just destroy the notes and leave it at that? Peter.

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New SSN Law
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert A. Costner wrote: > Why does the store need my social security number for me to purchase soft > drinks and eggs? (40 cents off on eggs this week) I see no reason for it. > If I provide a false number, I have probably committed some crime. > > Yes, I would support a law that forbids private companies to ask for social > security numbers except for tax purposes. Am I missing something? Didn't we used to have one of those? Wasn't that changed so that government and corporate interests could put us all in more efficient boxes to control us and make money off of us? Some states already use the SSN on the driver's licenses. More will follow. The SSN is our National Identity Card and there is no going back. The tattoo is history and the Identity Chip is the future.

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Australian explosion explained...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > S P A C E V I E W S > Volume Year 1997, Issue 6 > June 1997 > http://www.seds.org/spaceviews/9706/ <snip> > Things That Go Boom in the Night: Scientists working for the National > Science Foundation have concluded that a peculiar, loud explosion heard > in the Australian outback in September 1993 was just a meteorite, and > not evidence of terrorist activity. The explosion seemed to be located > near a ranch owned by Aum Shinrikyo, a Japanese cult linked to the > gassing of the Tokyo subway system in 1995 that injured thousands of > morning commuters. The cult was reported interested in developing > nuclear weapons and was mining uranium in the area. However, seismic > data recorded during the event are better explained by a small iron > meteorite crashing to Earth. The meteorite explanation also fits well > with reports of a bright streak seen in the sky at the time of the > explosion. ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)miron.vip.best.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"exon"} = "<remailer(a)remailer.nl.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"haystack"} = "<haystack(a)holy.cow.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"lucifer"} = "<lucifer(a)dhp.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"balls"} = "<remailer(a)huge.cajones.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"middle"} = "<middleman(a)jpunix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek reord"; $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"dustbin"} = "<dustman(a)athensnet.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek mix reord middle"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"wazoo"} = "<remailer(a)wazoo.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"shaman"} = "<remailer(a)lycaeum.org> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"hidden"} = "<remailer(a)hidden.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix) (weasel squirrel) The alpha and nymrod nymservers are down due to abuse. However, you can use the nym or weasel (newnym style) nymservers. The cyber nymserver is quite reliable for outgoing mail (which is what's measured here), but is exhibiting serious reliability problems for incoming mail. The squirrel and winsock remailers accept PGP encrypted mail only. 403 Permission denied errors have been caused by a flaky disk on the Berkeley WWW server. This seems to be fixed now. The penet remailer is closed. Last update: Mon 2 Jun 97 6:45:35 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- hidden remailer(a)hidden.net ########-##* 27:13 100.00% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca ************ 10:49 99.96% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -+------+--- 4:03:03 99.93% weasel config(a)weasel.owl.de ++-++++++++ 1:51:36 99.91% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de ++-+++++-++ 1:52:02 99.87% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net +* *++****** 13:57 99.86% replay remailer(a)replay.com ****** ***** 11:57 99.75% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com -.---***.- 7:32:07 96.99% lucifer lucifer(a)dhp.com ++-+++++++ 49:21 95.54% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net ++- --+--+ 1:44:06 90.54% balls remailer(a)huge.cajones.com #*####*### 1:27 82.42% nym config(a)nym.alias.net *#*** 3:02 37.19% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Re: May's Banal Rant
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael Froomkin wrote: >I don't understand this. Of all the alphabet soup privacy groups out >there, EPIC is the one I consider most pro-privacy and anonymity other >than the ACLU itself. And EPIC knows the tech better, on the whole >(although the ACLU is quite clued-up too). It is true that EPIC is not >absolutist on SAFE -- and I'm not quite sure that they are right to give >even the inch they gave to get a mile -- but they're awfully good. > >Rotenburg should be a near-hero to most readers of this list. Instead, >canabalism. Weird. Very weird. What most of us think is very weird is Rotenburg's apparent inability to carry on a coherent dialogue. Tim May raised several solid and specific points. We've got back ad hominem attacks on "libertarians". Instead of name calling, Rotenburg would have done well to simply justify (or change) his position. At this point, Mr. Rotenburg and his supporters should explain exactly what it is they do for us and how we can verify it. "We arrived at a compromise with the Senate" is not persuasive to most of the people on this list. When you believe that privacy will be promoted by hiring more bureacrats the level of trust warranted is not high. So, if EPIC is doing any good, it had better be the kind of good we can monitor. As for the ACLU, they are notoriously inconsistent when it comes to the Constitution. They seem to be pretty good with the First Amendment, but that's about it. They undermine the Second Amendment. They campaign for welfare on the basis that it is a prerequisite for the exercise of civil rights. They sue aspirin manufacturers for labelling their products in English. They push "fair" credit laws. Etc. Etc. We don't need friends like the ACLU or, it appears, EPIC. Dr. Roberts

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Guilty Verdict in Denver Show Trial
by mpd＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Guilty on all 11 counts, of course. Of course, once you eliminate the testimony coerced by holding witnesses for days and threatening them with the death penalty, the "bomb residue" invented by the FBI Crime Lab, and numerous other things, nothing even places the defendent at the site of the explosion, much less proves he was responsible for it. Of course, to have the correct psychological effect on the Sheeple, it is not necessary that the government convict and execute the prepetrator. Killing any government-hating militia-friendly scapegoat will do. For extra credit, let's have a pool to predict the number of federal buildings which will blow up on the day of the execution. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $

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May-Rotenberg Are Not the Uber Enemy
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

To escalate the May-Rotenberg debate by reminding that there are deadly enemies to be exposed and fought together rather than apart: To: deleuze-guattari(a)jefferson.village.Virginia.edu> Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 18:15:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Maria Blancato <tblan(a)telerama.lm.com> Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt Umberto Eco, New York Review of Books, excerpted with permission in the Utne Reader, Nov./Dec. 1995, no. 72, pps. 57-59 In spite of some fuzziness regarding the difference between various historical forms of fascism, I think it is possible to outline a list of features that are typical of what I wold like to call Ur-Fascism, or eternal Fascism. These features cannot be organized into a system; many of them contradict each other, and are also typical of other kinds of despotism or fanaticism. But it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around it. 1. The first feature of Ur-Fascism is the *cult of tradition*. Traditionalism is of course much older than fascism. Not only was it typical of counterrevolutionary Catholic thought after the French revolution, but it was born in the late Hellenistic era, as a reaction to classical Greek rationalism. In the Mediterranean basin, people of different religions (most of the faiths indulgently accepted by the Roman pantheon) started dreaming of a reelation received at the dawn of human history. This reelation, according to the traditionalist mystique, had remained for a long time concealed under the veil of forgotten languages -- in Egyptian hieroglyphs, in the Celtic runes, in the scrolls of the little-known religions of Asia. This new culture had to be *syncretistic*. Syncreticism is not only , as the dictionary says, "the combination of different forms of belief or practice"; such a combination must tolerate contradictions. Each of the original messages contains a sliver of wisdom, and although they seem to say different or incompatible things, they all are nevertheless alluding, allegorically, to the same primeval truth. As a consequence, there can be no advancement of learning. Truth already has been spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message. If you browse in the shelves that, in American bookstores, are labeled New Age, you can find there even Saint Augustine, who, as far as I know, was not a fascist. But combining Saint Augustine and Stonehenge -- that is a symptom of Ur-Fascism. 2. Traditionalism implies the *rejection of modernism*. Both Fascist and Nazis worshiped technology, while traditionalist thinkers usually reject it as a negation of traditional spiritual values. However, even though Nazism was proud of its industrial achievements, its praise of modernism was only the surface of an ideology based upon blood and earth (*Blut und Boden*). The rejection of the modern world was disguised as a rebuttal of the capitalistic way of life. The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as *irrationalism*. 3. Irrationalism also depends on the cult of *action for action's sake*. Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation. Therefore culture is suspect insofar as it is identified with critical attitudes. Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur_Fascism, from Hermann Goering's fondness for a phrase from a Hanns Johst play ("When I hear the word 'culture' I reach for my gun") to the frequent use of such expressions as "degenerate intellectuals," "eggheads," "effete snobs," and "universities are nests of reds." The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligensia for having betrayed traditional values. 4. The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge. for Ur-Fascism, *disagreement is treason*. 5. Besides, disagreement is a sign of diversity. Ur-Fascism grows up and seeks consensus by exploiting and exacerbating the natural *fear of difference*. The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition. 6. Ur-Fascism derives from individual or social frustration. that is why one of the most typical features of this historical fascism was the *appeal to a frustrated middle class*, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups. In our time, when the old "proletarians" are becoming petty bourgeois (and the lumpen are largely excluded from the political scene), the fascism of tomorrow will find its audience in this new majority. 7. To people who feel deprived of a clear social identity, Ur-Fascism says that their only privilege is the most common one, to be born in the same country. This is the origin of nationalism. Besides, the only ones who can provide an identity to the nation are its enemies. Thus at the root of the Ur_fascist psychology there is the *obsession with a plot*, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged. The easiest way to solve the plot is to appeal to xenophobia. But the plot must come from he inside. Jews are usually the best target because they have the advantage of being at the same time inside and outside. In the United States, a prominent instance of the plot obsession is to be found in Pat Robertson's *The New World Order*, but, as we have recently seen, there are many others. 8. The followers must feel *humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies*. When I was a boy I was taught to think of Englishmen as the five-meal people. They ate more frequently than the poor but sober Italians. Jews are rich and help each other through a secret web of mutual assistance. However, the followers of Ur_Fascism must also be convinced that they can overwhelm the enemies. Thus, by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy. 9. For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle. Thus *pacifism is trafficking with the enemy*. This is bad because *life is permanent warfare*. This, however, brings about an Armageddon complex. Since enemies have to be defeated, there must be a final battle, after which the movement will have control of the world. But such a "final solution" implies a further era of peace, a Golden Age, which contradicts the principle of permanent war. No fascist leader has ever succeeded in solving this predicament. 10. Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology, insofar as it is fundamentally aristocratic, and aristocratic and militaristic elitism cruelly implies *contempt for the weak*. Ur-Fascism can only advocate a popular elitism. Every citizen belongs to the best people of the world, the member of the party are the best among the citizens, every citizen can (or ought to) become a member of the party. But there cannot be patricians without plebeians. In fact, the Leader, knowing that his power was not delegated to him democratically but was conquered by force, also knows that his force is based upon the weakness of the masses; they are so weak as to need and deserve a ruler. 11. In such a perspective *everybody is educated to become a hero*. In every mythology the hero is an exceptional being, but in Ur-Fascist ideology heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death. It is not by chance that a motto of the Spanish Falangist was *Viva la Muerte* ("Long Live Death!"). In nonfascist societies, the lay public is told that death is unpleasant but must be faced with dignity; believers are told that it is the painful way to reach a supernatural happiness. By contrast, the Ur-Fascist hero craves heroic death, advertised as the best reward for a heroic life. The Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death. 12. Since both permanent war and heroism are difficult games to play, *the Ur-Fascist transfers his will to power to sexual matters*. This is the origin of machismo (which implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality). Since even sex is a difficult game to play, the Ur_Fascist hero tends to play with the weapons -- doing so becomes an ersatz phallic exercise. 13. Ur-Fascism is based upon a *selective populism*, a qualitative populism, one might say. In a democracy, the citizens have individual rights, but the citizens in their entirety have a political impact only from a quantitative point of view -- one follows the decisions of the majority. For Ur-Fascism, however, the individuals as individuals have no rights, and the People is conceived as a quality, a monolithic entity expressing the Common will. Since no large quantity of human beings can have a common will, the Leader pretends to be their interpreter. Having lost their power of delegation, citizens do not act; they are only called on to play the role of the People. Thus the People is only a theatrical fiction. there is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional responses of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People. Because of its qualitative populism, Ur-Fascism must be *against "rotten" parliamentary governments*. Wherever a politician casts doubt on the legitimacy of a parliament because it no longer represents the Voice of the People, we can smell Ur-Fascism. 14. *Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak*. Newspeak was invented by Orwell, in _1984_, as the official language of what he called Insoc, English Socialism. But elements of Ur-Fascism are common to different forms of dictatorship. All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning. But we must be ready to identify other kinds of Newspeak, even if they take the apparently innocent form of a popular talk show. Ur-Fascism is still around us, sometimes in plainclothes. It would be so much easier for us if there appeared on the world scene somebody saying, "I want to reopen Auschwitz, I want the blackshirts to parade again in the Italian squares." Life is not that simple. Ur-Fascism can come back under the most innocent of disguises. Our duty is to uncover it and to point our finger at any of its new instances -- ever day, in every part of the world. Franklin Roosevelt's words on November 4, 1938, are worth recalling: "If American democracy ceases to move forward as a living force, seeking day and night by peaceful means to better the lot of our citizens, facism will grow in strength in our land." Freedom and liberation are an unending task.

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Re: May's Banal Rant
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is the second in the series of articles I am forwarding from the "sublist" discussion I mentioned. Again, I am excising all pointers to the identity of the person who wished his views not be publicized. This is the longest of the articles. --Tim >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:07:48 -0700 >To: xxxxx >From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >Subject: Re: May's Banal Rant >Cc: xxxxxx >At 11:00 AM -0700 6/2/97, xxxxx wrote: (Thanks me for not being venomous, as he had been expecting, and says he was not on the Cypherpunks list in 1993 so he doesn't recall what it was like back then.) >I can tell you that much of the discussion back then was about the precise >things I have had in my .sig all these years (the core part). And this >was during the incidents at Ruby Ridge and Waco. > >Is calling for a bounty in untraceable cash to be placed on the head of >the shooter at Ruby Ridge, one Lon Horiuchi, radical enough for you? (The >BATFags consider such threats seriously enough that Horiuchi apparently >now has a new identity, accoding to my militia friends, who say no >"Horiuchi" can be found in any current records they have searched...and >one of their sources in the Empire confirmed this.) (Says the tone of the list and of Libertarian politics is more strident than it has ever been.) >Actually, I was around during the anti-Viet Nam war days--I voted for John >Hospers of the LP in 1972, and participated in various anti-war events at >UC Santa Barbara, including a notable evening when Highway 101 was shut >down for several hours by protestors. The level of rancor between >government and others (including Libertarians) was vastly greater. > >And in 1993 the Clipper announcement was met with incredible venom on the >list. You really need to go back and read what was said about Denning, >Freeh, Kallstrom, and Herr Clinton. We even had a couple of emergency >physical meetings, and the level of sabotage discussed was far greater >than anything recently. > >Also, those "radical days" saw some very radical stuff indeed. The >anonymous posting of the corporate secrets of the traitorous company >Mykotronx helped to nuke that company. Ditto for the Clipper internal >memoranda posted to the list via remailers. > >(Nowadays we'd have a list member working for Mykotronx and urging us to >be "more reasonable.") > >Also, 1993-4 was the heyday of the Zimmermann imbroglio, and there was >much heated discussion of this. > >(Nowadays, Zimmermann wants Cypherpunks to rally behind his company's GAK >system, and he is aghast at the "anarchy" discussed on the list. He was >opposed to the libertarian ideology of the list back in '93-94 of course, >but then it suited him to have the Cypherpunks defending him. Now he views >us as impediments to his business prospects, and employees of PGP, Inc. >are now _very_ circumspect about what they write on the list.) > >I agree that there is a sense of "enough is enough" in the Cypherpunk >community these days. Everytime we turn around there are new restrictions, >new calls for censorship, new clamorings for controlling the Net, and even >new arrests. > >I disagree that the posts of today are significantly more strident than >they were in the Clipper days, or the Waco days, etc. Maybe a few comments >have sounded especially angry, but these are angry times. Again, if you >don't like the threads, start some of your own. > >I believe I'm under a fair risk of being named as a co-conspirator of >Bell's...some of my e-mail to him is probably what the cops are referring >to when they speak about using cryptography to facillitate markets in >various acts. Yes, this has made me prepare for a raid on my home, and, >yes, I have bought a couple of cases of ammunition and made sure my stuff >is ready. I don't intend to be shot in the middle of the night in the dark >as i reach for a handgun to defend myself when the "entry team" ignores >the Fourth Amendment and simply bursts into my room. > >(Lost in the modern debate about rights is how we got to this stage, to >where it is _expected_ that cops will dress in paramilitary garb (Nomex >ski masks, black clothing, carrying suppressed MP-5s) and launch raids on >the homes of suspects. No knocks on the doors, no presentation of >duly-authorized search warrants, no punishment for those who kill >innocents or others on such searches.... what a fucked up country we have >become.) (He says that many influential posters to Cypherpunks no longer post.) >I still post. That so many others don't is not my problem. (Hint: Analyze >the archives to see who used to post a lot. Many of them--in fact, >essentially _all_ of them--decreased their posting volumes long before the >comments of mine in the last few months that you seeem to think drove them >away. Look at the actual numbers.) > >For various and sundry reasons. I won't catalog them again here, even >though I've thought of some additional important reasons I left out >earlier. Maybe I'll write a new essay on how the list has changed and how >the membership taxonomy works out. (He says that I am more provocatively violent-sounding in my posts the past few months than before.) >In a few instances, yes. So? People have various views at various times. >And I'd say calling for an anonymous murder contract on Horiuchi was >pretty violent-sounding. (Such calls were not made by me, though I've >recently said the killers of Donald Scott, the Malibu doctor raided by >BATF/LA officers should be given a fair trial and if found guilty, >executed. What's "violent" about expecting the same justice for cops that >we see being applied to McVeigh, Kaczinski, and so on?) (He claims that atttention from the media and from law enforcment in the Cyphepunks list is probably greater now than in the past. Note from my comments below that I disagree with him.) >This is part of the "taxonomy of membership" I'm talking about. We get all >kinds of subscribers. Some just hit-and-run, some clueless, some seeking >support for their pet programs or products, some loonies. (If you think >TruthMonger or that Circle of Eunuchs guy is any crazier than Detweiler >was in '93-94, go back and read his stuff.) > >And in fact the media fascination with Cypherpunks was provably greater in >'92-94 than today. Think of those big cover stories in Wired, Whole Earth >Review, The Village Voice, etc. This is so for various reasons, and I >won't bemoan or applaud our current relative obscurity. (He claims that for these various reasons my voice is probably more dominant or influential than ever before--given the low volumes of posts, I might agree--and says it is too bad I am so strident.) >I am not writing that much differently than I did in earlier years, if you >check the archives. I have made very few "shoot the pigs" comments. > >(And, by the way, the period surrounding Waco and Ruby Ridge was filled >with discussions of armaments, calibers, etc. Some of the Bay Area CPs >even started a shooting club....I have not gone to any of their shoots, as >I live 100 miles south of San Francisco....plus, I have my own favorite >ranges nearby and I'm not much on teaching newbies to shoot.) > >It is true that Eric Hughes is off doing other things. John Gilmore was >never much a writer of essays, and he's now distanced himself from the >list (for obvious reasons). Hal Finney still writes, but the reasons he >writes less are obvious (job, and he's said things several times). And so >on. > >Others have left the list. Peter Wayner is gone. Carl Ellison is gone. So? >No one expected a perpetual level of interest. When I talk to Eric >(Hughes), we both shake our heads in amazement that a group we started >five years ago is still rolling along; we never set out to create a >permanent group. > >And, unlike some groups which are almost explicity centered around a >public spokesman or small cadre, the Cypherpunks group has never had a >spokesman, never had a public charter, never had a policy analysis group, >never had most of the things the alphabet soupers have had. > >We're just a virtual coffeehouse, or pub, or even Munich beerhall. Anyone >is free to comment on anything. The only attempt at censoship--the recent >one by Sandfort and Gilmore--failed miserably (and predictably) and in >fact scattered the nexus of the group to multiple sites. (The role of that >event, and the subsequent shrinkage of the list from 1200 subscribers to >just about 200 subscribers, as best I can tell, is the subject of another >essay. In my view, the attempted censorship of the list did grievous >damage to the list, and inasmuch as we don't "recruit" for new members, it >may be a long time before the list ever gets as active as it used to be, >if ever. The low posting volume tends to magnify the significance of the >posts which do appear...this is not something I see as my problem or my >responsibility to try to change.) >And it's a pity this entire discussion is not happening on the main list! > >You, xxxxx, choose to...<excised to protect his identity>... and to keep >your comments off the list. I know ...<excised>.... but you really should >be making your comments about the list and its topics ON THE LIST! > >Isn't this obvious? You can hardly complain about my "radical" views when >you hold your counsel, can you? > >In fact, I'll respect your wish not to have your comments distributed >beyond the list you have chosen, but I plan to take my own comments, sans >your quotes, and use them as the basis of an essay to the list on these >and related topics. > >In this regard, I thank you for catalyzing some thoughts. > >--Tim May > > There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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any off-line client for DES crack?
by Bryce 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'd like to train a couple of off-the-net computers to crack DES. Unfortunately there appears to be no off-line client which uses files, so I can sneakernet a big batch of "try this keyspace" requests, leave it running for a few weeks, and then sneakernet the results back. Yeah, I could hack it myself, but I thought I'd recommend the idea to the people who are actually coordinating the searches. (Of course the user should be able to tell if the client has scored the key. Some users may well decide not to bother sneakernetting "not found" results back to the Net, but will check to see if their client won.) (In case you are worried, I am good net.citizen who trims Newsgroups: lines, is careful not to take the name of Kibo in vain, and who never trolls for newbies by posting "follow-up to this article to get free nude picture of Sandra Bullock!". So _I_, therefore, would faithfully sneakernet my "key not found" results back to the Net.) Regards, Zooko Journeyman Disclaimers follow: I am not a crook. NOT speaking for DigiCash or any other person or organization. No PGP sig follows.

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Re: Comments on the Macintosh
by Vinnie Moscaritolo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>And I could see no significant changes in going from System 7.1.3 to >7.5.3.. > >Vinnie M. tells me I should do the upgrade to System 7.6...I think I'll >pass on this for now. I agree,It's mostly bugfixes, But Tim, why can't you get it... Apple's MacOS team grew from 6 people in the 7.5.3 days to about 100 in the 7.6 8.0 release.. there are many bugfixes and performace enhancements in the 7.6 release.. and yes you should use Opentranport (at least 1.1.1 or 1.2) >.the Mac OS is of course still missing basic OS features such as... memory >>protection.) Tim,.I am suprised to hear you whining with such a liberals voice.. I always thought that demanding memory protection in an OS is a lot like demanding that the government is responsible for protecting you from anything that might go bad.. If applications are well written, then you really dont need the memory partitions in a personal computer. That is if application writers would take responsibility for thier own apps... But I guess you are right. "something must be done about those badly written applications" ..maybe we should pass a new law, it can be called the "Fineswine-May Memory Protection Act" ... maybe you should start drafting it now.. But until then Tim, you can always run mkLinux.. but I think you just really like to complain. Vinnie Moscaritolo http://www.vmeng.com/vinnie/ Fingerprint: 4FA3298150E404F2782501876EA2146A ------------------ "And someone said Hey man did ya see that? His body hit the street with such a beautiful thud.. I wonder if he knew what he was getting into... Or was he just lost in the flood?"

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Meet-in-the-middle attack
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy C. May sexually molests little children, farm animals, and inanimate objects. ,,, ($ $) -ooO-(_)-Ooo- Timmy C. May

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Re: May's Banal Rant
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A member of the Cypherpunks list, who sometimes contributes articles to the list, engaged several of us in a discussion of some topics. He requested that we respect his desire not to have his opinions published, which I am honoring. However, some interesting topics were raised, and I spent a couple of hours responding. Rather than letting the points drop into the black hole of such sublists, I will post my responses here, editing out all references to his identity. Things would be so much easier if he'd just post his views to the list. I surmise that his reasons for not posting have less to do with not wanting to be associated with my views, as if that is possible in a free society, and more to do with paranoia about what his employer will think. --Tim This is my article: >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 10:03:56 -0700 >To: xxxx >Subject: Re: May's Banal Rant >Cc: xxxx (He commented that I am marginalizing myself and my compatriots by my angry views. I replied:) >The list was just as "intense" in 1993, for example. Any reading of the >traffic after the Waco incident in April of that year will show this >clearly. And 1994 was also intense, what with the heated discussion of >anonymous assassination contracts, use of crypto by some associates in >White Aryan Resistance and other politically incorrect groups, and so on. > >(There was even Froomkin-described "cannibalism" that year, as the list >_exploded_ in condemnation of Jerry Berman's EFF-led sellout on the >Wiretap Bill (aka Digital Telephony, aka CALEA, etc.). In fact, this >"cannibalism" was practiced by nearly everyone outside the specific axis >which made the Grand Compromise. It is widely believed that this event led >to the flight from D.C. of EFF and its current marginal status as a mover >and shaker. (Other reasons, too, I've heard from those who were present. >I'm not claiming to be "ahead of the curve," to use Marc's >characterization, on this one. He was there, I was not. But clearly the >support of DT/CALEA had a major, traumatizing effect on EFF. ) > (He predicts that "moderate" list members will leave the list because of my articles. He says he stopped posting months ago because he saw the general trend getting worse. ) >I hadn't seen essays from you in a long time, xxxxx, nor from yyyyy. It >seems that a lot of folks have "been there, done that" on writing essays, >regardless of their ideological points of view. Even Detweiler writes very >few essays. > >Many of the former active contributors are now with crypto companies or >Internet companies in one form or another. Hal Finney is with PGP, a bunch >of folks (Barnes, Parekh, Green, Sandfort...) are with C2, some were with >xxxxxx (as you know), and so on. A bunch of others are doing security or >crypto work at the various companies, including Netscape, Intuit, >Microsoft, Excite, Qualcomm, etc. > >(There are also reasons for them to "tone down" their rhetoric. Some of >them have sent me e-mail saying they agree with my points (or disagree, as >the case may be) but do not feel comfortable posting publically, given >their present employment with these companies. This is a natural >development. Go back and read the rhetoric in 1992-5 about controversial >issues....many of the essayists of even the most controversial pieces then >are now at companies and are understandably less vocal. So?) > >Plus there have been the usual spin-off lists. Lewis McCarthy decided, I >presume, that he had internalized the political message of Cypherpunks and >wanted only a C and C++ forum, so he created "coderpunks." Perry Metzger, >certainly no stranger to libertarian ranting, decided apparently that he >wanted to control which rants got distributed so he created "cryptography." > >This is also natural. If you don't like who is left on Cypherpunks, and >who is posting, then either leave it or post the kind of stuff you'd like >to see. > >Those who never post anymore are in a poor position to criticize others >for what they post. (He claims I have marginalized myself and says he expects either no reply from me or a venomous one.) >Well, this is a response. I don't think it's venomous. It's what I think. > >It's true that there are relatively few "primer" essays on Cypherpunks >these days; the time for that was in the early years, especially the first >year. Many of those essay writers who wrote long articles on public key >systems, signatures, etc., are now in the companies mentioned above. Plus, >having already done it there is little incentive to do it again. > >So? This is the natural evolution of any community. > >I'll stop now. > >All I can say is that if you find the Cypherpunks list no longer to your >liking, the choice is obvious. Or, if you want to stay but want the >discussions moved in other directions, write articles in these directions. >You can hardly complain if you're silent. > >--Tim May > > There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: May's Banal Rant
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

And this is the third, and hopefully final for now, article forwarded from that sublist discussion this morning. As before, the comments of the other person are paraphrased. --Tim >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 12:30:57 -0700 >To: xxxxx >From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> >Subject: Re: May's Banal Rant >Cc: xxxxx (Expresses the view that I am smarter than Bell--damning with faint praise?--and probably will not be arrested for the sorts of activities Bell is alleged to have engaged in.) > >It depends on whether Bell is hit with "conspiracy" charges. It the >charges are limited to (alleged) Social Security Number fraud, related tax >charges, and (alleged) stink bomb charges, then I don't expect any visit >from the Federales. But, one might ask, why is Bell being held without >bail and why does the affidavit (or whatever) refer to the various other >conspiracies he is said to have been involved in? > >As for my "nuke DC" rhetoric, this is classic protected speech. In fact, >most of my comments about "50 megatons of nuclear disinfectant" and >suchlike are recognizable to anyone with any acumen as being classic "hang >the bastards" sentiment. > >(I've written more serious comments about "soft targets," expressing the >quite accurate point of view that in these perilous times, with nerve >gases being released in Tokyo subways, with truck bombs used or >almost-used, with train derailments in the West, etc., that the best >protection is to avoid living in soft targets, the "Schelling points" any >terrorist or antigovernment group would be more likely to target. In >classsic "kill the messenger" tradition, these comments are taken by some >to mean I advocate bombings of these soft targets.) (Speaks of what he views as the "discrediting" of Cypherpunks amonst businessmen, the media, crypto programmers, politiicians, lobbyists, and the general Net community.) >"Businessmen" have never liked the crypto anarchist message we have >traditionally discussed. Not since Day One. Some have tried to _use_ us, >to enlist our support, but none have liked our message. > >The "discrediting" of the Cypherpunks, now that the media knows we exist, >is unavoidable. The NRA has similarly been "discredited." (And even >factions within the NRA, notably the faction led by Charlton Heston, is >denouncing factions which argue for a strong interpretation of the Second >Amendment as "crazies." This is always the way it goes.) > (He thinks this "discrediting" will affect important projects and "good work.") >As I've said in my past messages, you should write the essays you want to >see and start the threads you want to read. > >--Tim May > My final comment. I am tempted to write up a long article analyzing how the Cypherpunks list has changed over the past 5 years, and who has been on it and off it. Maybe later. Suffice it to say for now that many people have been on the list, and then dropped off. For lots of reasons. And their reasons are not something I feel I need to worry about. They'll do what they want to do. Some graduated from school, some got crypto jobs, some decided they'd had enough, some agreed with the basic views but were ready to move on, some despised our basic outlook, some were told by their employers their subversive activities were a career impediment, some disliked the yahoos and lunatics, some wanted censorship and left when they didn't get it, some never bothered to resubscribe after being dropped for one reason or another, and so on. Life goes on. I don't worry that we "lost" Peter Wayner, or that we "lost" David Sternlight, and so on. Life goes on. --Tim May There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Guilty Verdict in Denver Show Trial
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706021939.MAA09926(a)netcom18.netcom.com>, on 06/02/97 at 12:39 PM, mpd(a)netcom.com (Mike Duvos) said: >Guilty on all 11 counts, of course. >Of course, once you eliminate the testimony coerced by holding witnesses >for days and threatening them with the death penalty, the "bomb residue" >invented by the FBI Crime Lab, and numerous other things, nothing even >places the defendent at the site of the explosion, much less proves he >was responsible for it. >Of course, to have the correct psychological effect on the Sheeple, it is >not necessary that the government convict and execute the prepetrator. >Killing any government-hating militia-friendly scapegoat will do. >For extra credit, let's have a pool to predict the number of federal >buildings which will blow up on the day of the execution. Is that how many will blow up or how many we would like to see blow up. :) - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5Mx149Co1n+aLhhAQGCaAP/SIuUCoEQyBojm5jwRdLJKqU708tCgiuc Ydu3umODusRD4AMwfW4NH8k6y30gcT8bi7Yyb8MDtqf/jrzrKJrwD3gA/RSUVV5V m5o7k7vzxs4v7eIuuaReCNCi4wc4dBdm0/9YscZ092ugT7q4b74sOj4VGqkG75M/ UkqHZDFyZ68= =m7lF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: May's Banal Rant
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:06 PM -0700 6/2/97, Marc Rotenberg wrote: >I just came back from the 7th annual crypto >conference that we've organized in DC. Among >the people who spoke were Carl Ellison, Eric >Hughes, Matt Blaze, Peter Wayner, Cindy Cohn, >Bruce Schneier. (Michael Froomkin was invited, but >he's been out of the country. And Whit couldn't >make it cause he's finishing his book.) > >Like I said, Tim May et al are behind the >curve. You guys preach cyber anarchy but >you're really armchair activists. > I've tried to ignore your "appeals to authority" criticisms of the points I and other have made. But this is just stooping too low. Because we were not speakers at your conference, we're "armchair activists." Incredible. I'll have no more to say to you, now or at any foreseeable time in the future. There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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McVeigh
by bennett_t1＠popmail.firn.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. This is a sad day for all anti-government haters.

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We have our exits, and our entrances...
by Lee Harvey McVeigh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

...and one man, in his time, plays many parts. To all my fans, I would like to thank you all for your support of our off-Broadway production, even though it looks like we will be closing the show after a short, eight-week run. Please don't shed any tears over the quick closing of the show, as the production was put in the hands of the government from the very start with this end in mind. I would like to address the criticism of the actors who played my defense team in the show by pointing out that their role was essentially that of bit-players in the production, not that of supporting actors as is usually the case in a production of this magnitude. This misunder- standing has led to their being criticized for their low-key presence when that is actually the role they were hired to play. There are also those who have heavily critqued the story-line of the production as being unrealistic and I will address that issue. The actual event which caused the OKC tragedy was so bizarre that the scriptwriters considered it too unbelievable to be dealt with in the final script. What happened was that a low-level government worker was doing an inventory and accidentally opened the box containing the magic bullet that killed JFK and wounded Gov. Connally. The bullet got loose and destroyed the OKC Federal Building. The script writers determined that a much more believable story was that I single-handedly performed the bombing on a day when all of the BATF agents just happened to be out of the building. (It's true. They were all in a bar down the street, working on the trial script.) I hope that you will all support me in my next role, in which I will actually play the leading role, this time, and which we tentatively plan to name, "Ernest Discovers Electricity." Lee Harvey McVeigh (.sig line left in by mistake) -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/ "WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs" http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld "The Final Frontier" http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/

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From Inter@ctive Week: Denning no longer backing key escrow?
by Will Rodger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Here's an interesting question: What happens when your star technical witness tells others she's no longer your witness at all? Denning now says she has doubts... (Responses? I'm no longer on cypherpunks, so mail me directly. Cheers - Will Administration Supporter Having Second Thoughts On Encryption Plan By Will Rodger 1:30 PM EDT Nixon went to China. Constantine converted to Christianity. Napoleon crowned himself emperor. So why can't Dorothy Denning be a cypherpunk? That's the question encryption mavens ask as the Georgetown University computer scientist slowly lets the word out: She won't back government plans for key recovery, key escrow or anything else alleged to increase national security until backers show that the benefits of controls on encryption outweighs those of letting free market forces govern its use. That's a far cry from the way she once talked about encryption technology. As recently as this year Denning was pegged as a strong backer of keeping controls on a wide range of computer-security products. "Maybe export controls should be lifted," Denning said. "But I'm not saying that all controls should be lifted. I've gotten into a state where I don't know and I'm not sure that I ever knew." Denning may be the only prominent cryptographer to support government control of encryption technology, the underlying technology behind nearly all Internet security devices that scramble information so even the wiliest hacker is powerless to decode it. As the author of the first widely read textbook on the subject, her opinion carries weight with at least some in the encryption community. Since encryption can be used to defeat lawful wiretaps and other electronic searches and seizures, Denning backed law enforcement as it tried to fight encryption's spread abroad. But now a host of objections to the Clinton administration's plan have turned the argument on its head. As the Internet becomes more popular for business use, encryption is more important than ever to keep hackers out. And a recent cryptographer's report suggesting that it would be far riskier to give governments spare keys to decode messages in a few places than not to have third party access at all has clearly shaken Denning's confidence. Policy specialists in Washington and elsewhere have speculated that Denning would announce something soon, but none wants to push her for fear of alienating someone who could end up a potent ally. "I don't think any close scientific observer of this debate can deny that there are real technical concerns raised by the Administration's position," said Alan Davidson, counsel with the Center for Democracy and Technology. "I think its just best for us to sit back and not say anything at this point," added another prominent activist. "We don't want to force her hand." Will Denning go over to the other side? "I'm not advocating anything anymore," Denning said. "I support what the administration is doing because I really see them struggling with these things." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBM5NE+EcByjT5n+LZAQHgzgf9FLHCAw4aw6wETKtsaK7WVmbyYMhMWaW5 hPXl21Xl24XioSm3xMjvvjWXfqZyn1rIX+hD7awVVevoRLjHsSC9LM4YwxW9pq+U EiXPjrciK65xxaIqaj3o5cI53QWWDHQN3+p++WUu2/d1+5b9xq2u4C5V9Jb4Jkld RCLh65nxe/mxTgvPBYZkuBwVn6WpuWPyQvbNMkmptMOgil4WYx3tiXNtJBz9GTZR t83g2tvfIz8c5Wz0Grc8Ln3pXckiQmko7e5zU2bH1/MPtPnUwwZav+xbCvkL/KAd qMZmzgVVR8EUIYkevPHuflmius4LY1m2SAAEmcs9R5Ont72sa0iFBw== =sDTa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Will Rodger Washington Bureau Chief Inter@ctive Week A Ziff-Davis Publication http://www.interactiveweek.com

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Re: What Cultural Monopoly?
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > If even you are red-baiting me now, it's time to pack it in. >I've lost. There must be easier ways to spend my time, like taking up >persuading mules as a hobby. Time for another vacation from the list. Don't go Seth. We need you. > The point was using real-Communist as a test of availability >(I keep saying real-Communist to ward off the stupid comments like >someone saying "Mario Cuomo"). Gerald Posner had a TV chat show for a while with Marlo Thomas' husband. I don't think he's on any more but he is a genuine commie. Have you tried your local Pacifica affiliate in Cambridge WMBR 88.1 FM. Here in New York we are blessed with genuine Marxists on WBAI an actual Pacifica station: http://www.pacifica.org "The stations of Pacifica Radio include KPFA Berkeley, KPFK Los Angeles, WBAI New York, KPFT Houston, and WPFW Washington, D.C. as well as 43 affiliate stations." We also have genuine Marxists on WLIB (a *commercial* station): http://www.wlib.com "WLIB 1190AM is the soul of New York's Black Community. It is the collective mind and experience of a people. It is the spirit and hope of the race. WLIB is the very heart of African American, Caribbean and African Culture, representing millions of residents in the New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut metropolitan areas." > But despites the "thousands of stations where you can hear >lots of different people", as Lizards said, the spectrum is fairly narrow. That was then this is now. As soon as we can muscle the FCC out of the picture and throw open the whole spectrum to efficient modern utilization and as soon as we deploy ADSL, Cable Modems, etc for high bandwidth net access and get good audio and video netcasting opportunities, there will be plenty of room for all sorts of ideas and the diversity of people's *interests* will guarantee that the whole spectrum of ideas has a place. > Note as *effective* (not theoretical) audience goes up, >ideological span goes *way* down. This has bad implications for the >evolution of the Net. Since anyone will still be able to put up any kind of a website, the span will be just as wide now or wider than ever in the future. As it is now than in the past. That's what happened with books. Today, it is easier to obtain a wider range of books than ever before. > Straight from the source, the things that will be expressed >are that which make the radio station owners rich. He said it, I >didn't. That's not the same at all as that which people would want to >hear, even for obvious reasons as marketing pressures to more wealthly >audiences. That's under the current economic model. Even today, had frequencies been allowed to be traded freely from the beginning, we would have more diversity because we would have more stations. >Trying to pound even these tiny insights through the yammer >noise is just taking too much energy. I know what you mean, Seth. I'm still trying to get you guys to name some actual person in the U.S. that lives in a smaller or less diverse media environment than a person similarly situated would have lived in before. DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5Wm5YVO4r4sgSPhAQEm3wP/SaYmiGVnbpDtxkfzZXUsQWbf0edJVAjm MEgJztGoiydAL1IASQ/xkTzjMySr5pWe7PEK7gZcI0PehtDjusAFC5DxZt57ecr8 MpYqPuLTwA9QVFF7zlvYBUag43LNYARIZRjosD/w+w66IPhWXW/ovXwC3ra2knOd C1R4Ox0sj8s= =b3Fa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Just Behind The Curve
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I almost forgot, I rewrote a couple of paragraphs on my paper: "Security Risks & Benefits in Implementing Automatic Processing of PKE in Electronic Mail". I even put in some pretty pictures so the tit suckers in DC would have somthing to look at. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5NLqo9Co1n+aLhhAQF2tQP7BgYSloqG3DmBuGBk5EXZK2+LdPL9+7nx rWK+3pW8yqrKahtGVBIVZFjhMytYumcic9nQiLUoQcFNuDdH5kaL9bQITvMUEzrL RTvN5SvnQrcYI7jkZpAjoWCGInXT+01/AaQ3QFlVA+46lHppHGQA1jP84htnwJhW eNZ9D36wiNU= =zWEU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: McVeigh
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anonymous wrote: > Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim > of the OKC bomber. > > Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" "They also serve, who only stand and hate." - Winston David Dukehill

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Re: From Inter@ctive Week: Denning no longer backing key escrow?
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Will Rodger wrote: > Here's an interesting question: > What happens when your star technical witness tells others she's no longer > your witness at all? > Denning now says she has doubts... > "Maybe export controls should be lifted," Denning said. "But I'm not saying > that all controls should be lifted. I've gotten into a state where I don't > know and I'm not sure that I ever knew." Translation: Denning is waiting for the check from Sun Microsystems to clear before she finally makes up her mind. TruthMonger

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Email Filter Needed
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone needs to write an email filter that saves the headers from the TruthMonger (et al) posts and deletes the message. (A similar case could be made for mute Playboy centerfold candidates.) X-Comments: This email message is not from "Lee Harvey McVeigh': it was X-Comments: sent by an anonymous asshole using a remailer. X-Comments: Send all complaints about abuse of this remailer to X-Comments: the Oklahoma City Federal Building in a Ryder truck.

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EPIC...Buy Guns!
by Truth Monger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just watched a Detroit news report on the paramilitary and how the 'regular' citizens would have no problem with the government's desire to criminalize the existence of paramilitary group. A reporter expressed the view that the government is "hesitant" to "strongarm" legislation that limits the constitutional rights of the paramilitarists because they fear the "trouble" that would arise. Perhaps we should approach the Michigan Militia to represent us in crypto issues involving government regulation. "Reasonable compromise" should refer to promising your opponent a quick death. TruthMonger

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okc trial
by Kirk Fort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I hope Tim McVeigh frys. His friend Terry too. "Dust off old sparky, its time to start cooking" Kirk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBM5NgTligvzmuAps5AQEj+gL/TzmTIDcU3OUOs5wSJHv/kZIA0Wh5z5JX aJPra8AZhGMpPQG9myZAi8iBjS29LPgnBjCAu8+/3ksC7EBIslC7yoak5ShRB1+m VUamIo91CrTF3P5C5d9bejXnmPV1S1oi =lS7M -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Cryptographic Mythology
by proff＠suburbia.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here is something to amuse, delight and horrify - the tail of: _One Man's Search for a Cryptographic Mythology_. I recently wrote a VNODE (4.4bsd) based encrypted file-system. Now the day dawned when I decided it was high time to discard my rather egocentric working name _Proffs_ (i.e Proff File System) and cast about for a decent, respectable name. My first thought on this matter was: CERBERUS, n. The watch-dog of Hades, whose duty it was to guard the entrance -- against whom or what does not clearly appear; everybody, sooner or later, had to go there, and nobody wanted to carry off the entrance. Cerberus is known to have had three heads, and some of the poets have credited him with as many as a hundred. Only, what was the relation between KERBEROS and CERBERUS? Pups from the same litter, or was the relationship a little more incestuous? I had to find out. There was no way - n o w a y - I'd be having my encrypted file system playing second fiddle to that evil authentication beast. KERBEROS; also spelled Cerberus. n. The watch dog of Hades, whose duty it was to guard the entrance--against whom or what does not clearly appear; . . . it is known to have had three heads. . . Mythology couldn't get any more incestuous than that. 450,000 bytes of Greek polytheism later, and I'm wondering if the Gods of Olympus really had any high-paid guards to speak of except the multi-headed mongrel from Hades. I'm feeling down. I'm cursing the Ancients. I'm disrespectfully humming tunes `All and All it's Just Another Greek in the Wall', and `Athena be my Lover' when I discover: JANUS: in Roman mythology, custodian of the universe, god of beginnings. The guardian of gates and doors, he held sacred the first hour of the day, first day of the month, and first month of the year (which bears his name). He is represented with two bearded faces set back to back. Custodian of the universe. Guardian of gates and doors. Cooool. Janus. January. I like it. Only while I'm liking it, I'm thinking that I've heard the word Janus a lot before. I'm thinking it isn't just me who has looked up from the middle of a Greek mythology text, whilst in the throes of a name hunt with the words "Cooool" on their tongue. No: the Gods just don't smile on me that way. AltaVista confirms the truth of Heaven's bad attitude towards me. 17,423 references. _The Janus Mutual Trade Fund_, _The Janus Project_, _Janus ADA95_, a dozen ISPs from Canada (what is it WITH these Canadians?), _Janus' cool word list_ (turns out to be not so cool), _The Janus Ensemble_, _Hotel Janus_, _Janus Theatre_, _janus.com_, _janusfunds.com_, _Janus_ an Australian Police drama series and of course, the sixth moon of Saturn - _Janus_. Janus is out-of-the-picture. I'm not sure whether to feel smug or grim about the rest of the world's lack of originality. Guards. Guardians. The Greeks didn't have many with bite and I'm loosing patience with the whole culture. Euphrosyne, Aglaia, and Thalia do not grace me. What I need is something that evokes passion within my cryptographic domain. And when you come down to it, that means something which produces copious amounts of gore and blood, at will, from those who would dare to pass its demesne of protection. The Erinyes, or Furies, were three goddesses who punished by their secret stings the crimes of those who escaped or defied public justice. The heads of the Furies were wreathed with serpents, and their whole appearance was terrific and appalling. Their names were Alecto, Tisiphone, and Megaera. They were also called Eumenides. Aye. Plenty of gore there. But somewhat lacking in cryptographic analogy. Fantastic material for the group that doesn't meet at number 41 every Saturday night though. They will appreciate what the Erinyes were trying to achieve. Somewhat heartened, my mind turns to the Erinyes' dress sense. "..heads of the Furies were wreathed with serpents, and their whole appearance was terrific and appalling". Terrific. Serpents. Terrific \Ter*rif"ic\, a. [L. terrificus; fr. terrere: to frighten + facere: to make. See Terror, and Fact.] Causing terror; adapted to excite great fear or dread; terrible; as, a terrific form; a terrific sight. Is it a symptom of society in decay that this word has come to mean: Excellent \Ex"cel*lent\, a. [F. excellent, L. excellens, -entis, p. pr. of excellere. See Excel.] 1. Excelling; surpassing others in some good quality or the sum of qualities; of great worth; eminent, in a good sense; superior, as an excellent man, artist, citizen, husband, discourse, book, song, etc.; excellent breeding, principles, aims, action. Or as Milton would say: To love . . . What I see excellent in good or fair. On the other hand, David Hume (1711-1776): The more exquisite any good is, of which a small specimen is afforded us, the sharper is the evil, allied to it; and few exceptions are found to this uniform law of nature. The most sprightly wit borders on madness; the highest effusions of joy produce the deepest melancholy; the most ravishing pleasures are attended with the most cruel lassitude and disgust; the most flattering hopes make way for the severest disappointments. And, in general, no course of life has such safety (for happiness is not to be dreamed of) as the temperate and moderate, which maintains, as far as possible, a mediocrity, and a kind of insensibility, in every thing. Perhaps it is the sign of a brain in decay, rather than a society that I dwell on it so, because Terrific hair serpents of course lead unfailing into the arms of the Medusa. A guardian of fearsome looks, but dubious motivations according to authorities like Clash of the Titans (1981). A moot point, perhaps as Princeton's history department no longer wants to talk to me. I'm cast adrift, to rely on my Plasticine childhood memories and the mythological swamp of the web. NAME: Medusa FAVORITE PASTIME: Turning men to stone PLACE OF ORIGIN: Los Alamos Secret CIA Lab SPECIAL GIFTS: Petrified Aggregate Projectist FAVORITE MOVIE: Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers GOALS IN LIFE: To be a nice person FAVORITE BOOK: Madonna's biography PET PEEVE: Bad hair days Jesus. I've been sucked into comic book hell. Princeton, take me back. I won't curse at the ancient Greek's sexual proclivities anymore. I'm sure chaste marriages were very daunting to those yet to have them. I was only joking. Lighten up will you? But, alas, the history faculty however was still nursing its wounds, and was not ready to forgive me. I'd have to find an authoritative source somewhere else. Perhaps I could filter out the comic book hell contaminants and come up with respected history Ivy, even if it wasn't Princeton Ivy. To decapitate - to castrate. The terror of the Medusa is thus a terror of castration that is linked to the sight of something. The hair upon the Medusa's head is frequently represented in works of art in the form of snakes, and these once again are derived from the castration complex. It is a remarkable fact that however frightening they may be in themselves, they nevertheless serve as a mitigation of the horror, for they replace the penis, the absence of which is the cause of the horror. This is a confirmation of the technical rule according to which a multiplication of penis symbols signifies castration. Sigmund Freud The Medusa's Head You had to hand it to Sigmund. He was nothing if not authoritative, and after reading his inspiring words on the terrific serpent haired woman, it became clear to me that _Proffs_ and the Gorgon had somewhat unresolved metaphorical incompatibilities. I didn't want my software giving anyone a castration complex. I decided to put aside the denizens of Olympus from contest verbatim. I'd read Fraud on Perversions a few years before and knew Medusa was just a portent of what was to come. What I needed was another polytheist culture entirely. Latin didn't help me. Nearly all the Roman Gods had been vilely plagiarised from the Greeks, Latin names or not. Freud knew this as well as I did. The Norse gods were of little assistance to me. The only one worth paying school to was Loki, the Norse god of mischief. Loki was a very cool fellow, which was why his name has been appropriated as a moniker by virtually every Bjorn, Sven, and Bob hacker to come out of Scandinavia in the last 10 years. No, Loki was not for me. The problem craved for a polytheist mythology outside the realm of my, and more importantly Sigmund Freud's, Western European upbringing. The answer to my question was by definition locked within a body of history I didn't know an onion skin about. In order for the pilgrim to reach the master he must first place his foot on the path, no matter how gradual the slope up the mountain of enlightenment. Zen Buddhism is good like that. Fabricating parables up as you go along that is. Zen master Gutei raised his finger whenever he was asked a question about Zen. A young novice began to imitate him in this way. When Gutei was told about the novice's imitation, he sent for him and asked him if it were true. The novice admitted it was so. Gutei asked him if he understood. In reply the novice held up his index finger. Gutei promptly cut it off. The novice ran from the room, howling in pain. As he reached the threshold, Gutei called, "Boy!". When the novice returned, Gutei raised his index finger. At that instant the novice was enlightened. But wait. This Koan isn't fabricated. At least, not by me. And unlike most Zen Koan's I think you will agree that it pleasantly satisfies Schopenhauer's "life, without pain, has no meaning". However, semantically I'm seeing a very unhealthy correlation to forgetting one's encryption key and losing one's finger. My mind is drawn to the memory of the real-life nightmare of laying in the easy-chair of a Swanston St. hypnotherapist suite, gazing intently into a bright, but distant red light, while chanting the mantra "I am not cynical about hypnotherapy. I am not cynical about hypnotherapy. I am not cynical about an Indian doctor with a 5th floor office decorated coup'd'Edelstien. I'm not cynical about a man who claims that his foremost clientele are rich middle aged women who have put their jewellery somewhere "safe" and consequently are unable to recall the location. I'm not cynical about a hypnotist who extols the virtues of having a M.D. so his patients can claim 2/3rds of the cost of these jewellery retrieval sessions under Medicare. I'm not cynical that these middle aged women are infact suffering from some form of Mesmer complex. And by all the powers in Heaven, I have no pessimism about recalling my god-damned pass-phrase!". I never did remember the pass-phrase and you will notice Gutei keeps very quiet about what he does with the novice's finger. In this particular case, given the value of the data, I would have traded placed with Gutei's novice, before you can say "Boy! Was I enlightened". I put my chin on my knee, and stare at the grain of my beige plastic monitor case. Unless I could jump into another reality it was the end of the line for _Proffs_ and _One Man's Search for a Cryptographic Mythology_. Boy! Was I bummed. One of the great sins of us programmers is procedural thinking. And it was exactly this sort of folly I was engaging in. There were around 6 billion other realities going about their business. I grant you that 2 billion of these were no doubt indulging in the confusion and diffusion of an avalanche of pseudo-random mental images and sequences we associate with dreams, and probably another 2 billion busy expanding their minds with the powerful products of hash or decaying into a compressive state of increasing entropy and beer rounds. This still left a select 2 billion souls with which to weave my work. If I approached them directly rather than by analysing the information trails they left behind, I'd stand a good chance of getting my feet onto the path of cryptographic mythological enlightenment. I have a Swedish friend who calls himself Elk on odd days and Godflesh on even days. Don't ask why. As far as I know he's not bisexual. Elk listened to my quest for cryptographic myth. He had pondered, and uncovered a diamond in the rough. MARUTUKKU. The third name is MARUTUKKU, Master of the arts of protection, chained the Mad God at the Battle. Sealed the Ancient Ones in their Caves, behind the Gates. F a r o u t. Master of the arts of protection. Chained the Mad God. Sealed the Ancient Ones in their Caves, behind the Gates. Even the very word MARUTUKKU looks like it has been run through a product cipher. But I wasn't about to trust the work of a self-admitted Swedish Sumeria freak who was obviously suffering from a bi-polar moniker disorder. Was it mere coincidence that MARUTUKKU was an anagram for KUKU MART and KUKU TRAM? I didn't want MARUTUKKU to end up as another cog in the annals of Freudian analogy. What I needed was the sort of Authoritative History that only Princeton's history faculty could provide. The tablets of the Enuma Elish: The Akkadian Creation Epic Based on the translation of E. A. Speiser, with the additions by A. K. Grayson, Ancient Near-Eastern Texts Relating to the Old Testament, third edition, edited by James Pritchard (Princeton, 1969), pp. 60-72; 501-503, with minor modifications. This work, the ancient Mesopotamian creation epic consisting of seven tablets, tells of the struggle between cosmic order and chaos. It is named after its opening words. It was recited on the fourth day of the ancient Babylonian New Year's festival. The text probably dates from the Old Babylonian period, i.e., the early part of the second millennium B.C.E. [...] The third name is MARUTUKKU Master of the arts of protection, chained the Mad God at the Battle. Sealed the Ancient Ones in their Caves, behind the Gates. [...] MARUTUKKU truly is the refuge of his land, city, and people. Unto him shall the people give praise forever. All praise the MARUTUKKU! My search had born a ripe and tasty fruit indeed. The quest for a cryptographic mythology was complete. Or was it? The words of Hume kept coming back to me and I had a nagging feeling that there was some substance in them. If MARUTUKKU was my exquisite cryptographic good, of wit, effusive joy, ravishing pleasure and flattering hope; then where was the counter point? The figure to its ground - the sharper evil, the madness, the melancholy, the most cruel lassitudes and disgusts and the severest disappointments. Was Hume right? Because if he was, there was only one organisation this string of hellish adjectives could represent. The cryptographic devil with its 500,000 sq feet of office space in Maryland. But surely there could be no reference to such an organisation in the 4,000 year old Babylonian tablets. The idea was preposterous. Wasn't it? TABLET VII OF THE ENUMA ELISH: ESIZKUR shall sit aloft in the house of prayer; May the gods bring their presents before him, that from him they may receive their assignments; none can without him create artful works. Four black-headed ones are among his creatures; aside from him no god knows the answer as to their days. It's a cold and wintry night, here in Melbourne. Despite this, the gusts of wind and rain seem to be unusually chilling. What had I, in my search for a cryptographic mythology, stumbled onto? I look hard at the seven letters E-S-I-Z-K-U-R. A frown turns to a smile and then a dead pan stare. I write down: IRK ZEUS -- Prof. Julian Assange |If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people |together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks proff(a)iq.org |and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu |immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery

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Re: McVeigh
by Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Geiger writes: >That's right Phil you can sleep better now that all the evil millitia have >been distroyed. I'm sure you woun't mind when the Constitution is gone >too. Nothing to worry about after all you have Bill Clinton and his >buddies to make sure your safe. They said they would and they would never >lie. Well I supose there is the possibility your lot might see sense and ask to be readmitted to the British Empire but its by no means clear you would be re-admitted. And there would have to be reparitions for all that confiscated British property being used without compensation... >I'm sure if you were in Germany during the 30's that you would have >thought the "Jewish Solution" was a good thing after all the government >said it was. McVeigh is the racist extreemist who has committed mass murder in this case, not the government. While I would welcome it if you joined me in condeming US sponsored terorism during the cold war I don't think you are willing to do so. >That's ok Phil 1 little white boy will fry in the electric chair. But just >maybe your children will never have to know what it's like to live under a >Hitler or a Stalin because there are some in this country who are willing >to standup to the STATEST in DC who if given the chance will enslave us >all. But this threat does not come from the state, it comes from those like McVeigh who will murder children to further their agenda. The militias have not rejected the concept of a state, far from it they claim ownership of it, they claim that they have the right to dispense law, they claim the right to murder those who disagree with them. Their ideology is at root that of Musollini's fascists. It is surprising to find that you are so willing to be an open appologist for McVeigh's crime but in answer to your point: No children are going to grow up in a better world because of McVeigh or any of his followers, many will not grow up at all because he murdered them. Phill

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Re: From Inter@ctive Week: Denning no longer backing key escrow?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Professor Denning has an evolving statement of her position on encryption policy, the latest dated May 26, 1997: http://guru.cosc.georgetown.edu/~denning/crypto/position.html Excerpts: "I do not advocate domestic regulations mandating key recovery. Neither do I advocate that cryptography necessarily be free of all regulation, including export controls. I constantly struggle with the issues and do not see easy answers." "I support the program of the Clinton Administration to liberalize export controls for key recovery products, to adopt key recovery within federal agencies, and to promote the voluntary use of key recovery technologies. I believe that key recovery can be done without compromising privacy and security, but acknowledge that there are also costs and risks associated with key recovery."

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Tiffany's Pictures on her web page
by bodiesrhot＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you are not interested in adult pictures or are under the age of 18, I apologize, DO NOT REPLY and I will GUARANTEE you will be removed from my list or you may reply to removetif(a)answerme.com and you will receive confirmation that you were removed, either way, I apologize and you WILL be removed from my list. Hi my name is Tiffany. I am a college student that just learned how to make a web page, so I decided to put some naughty pictures of myself on my page for everyone to see. If you want to see it, write back to me at tif(a)answerme.com and type "over 18" in the subject box (you will have to change the current "to" box to tif(a)answerme.com) If you are offended by nudity, Do Not Reply and I will take you off my mailing list. -Tiffany -Tiffany

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Re: okc trial
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kirk Fort wrote: > I hope Tim McVeigh frys. His friend Terry too. The country needs to be sent a strong message that the lives in OKC were much more valuable than those in Waco. McVeigh is only guilty of 167 counts of murder. One of those killed in the blast was a Branch Davidian. (McVeigh will receive a government paycheck for that death.) TruthMonger

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Re: Remove this link immediately
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > > > > Your hackers resource page contains a link to my GURU'S LAIR WEB site > > > > > at http://www.tinaja.com > > > > > Please remove this link. > > > > > Please do so immediately. > > > > > > > > Short answer, no. If you don't want links to it don't put it on the net. "All you private property is target for your enemies." - Jefferson Airplane

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Jim Bell 4
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I spoke briefly this afternoon with Kelly Miller, the clerk of the district court handling Jim's case, and Peter Avenia, the federal defender appointed to represent him. Not much news and no new documents have been released. Jim is still in jail and will remain until the grand jury indicts or not -- within 30 days, I believe. According to Avenia, the Magistrate Arnold decided to hold Jim at a detention hearing a week ago Friday. That the magistrate chose to do so after hearing the complaining agent's allegations of Jim's danger to the public and even though a pre-trial services report favored Jim's release. Avenia's offer to carefully monitor Jim if he was released was declined. Avenia would not disclose much beyond explaining federal procedures, citing client confidentiality. However, he said that during the hearing emphasis was given to AP in assessing Jim's threat to the public. Miller and Avenia were cordial. Here're telephone numbers: Kelly Miller: 1-253-593-6754 Peter Avenia: 1-253-593-6710

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Re: okc trial
by Kirk Fort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- he has been convicted on the 11 (I believe) federal employees. He has yet be tried on the other 156. I believe that the state of Oklahoma is going to prosecute that case. The 11 deaths should be enough though, for the maximum penalty. Kirk - ---------- > From: lucifer Anonymous Remailer <lucifer(a)dhp.com> > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: okc trial > Date: Monday, June 02, 1997 9:16 PM > > Kirk Fort wrote: > > I hope Tim McVeigh frys. His friend Terry too. > > The country needs to be sent a strong message that the lives in OKC > were much more valuable than those in Waco. > McVeigh is only guilty of 167 counts of murder. One of those killed > in the blast was a Branch Davidian. (McVeigh will receive a government > paycheck for that death.) > > TruthMonger > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBM5N1PFigvzmuAps5AQGJfAL/d70nJJzk69/Cq1JJWxlxA0SGr8EVWA32 vgpuwuAwHgdiwClSFGFexou6vNkLQW+92OvKPK0j/5NsPq6jtR4eYNaNpKOKfE+a xQxk3oQHrwco2ZwEdaCAGO1Wm7Ut7oPE =nuP8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Webpage picketing?...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I have been looking at how to impliment picketing on the web. To date I have been unable to come up with a way to force a connection to one machine to go through a third machine in order to express some view about the original target. This idea came to me while watching some folks picket a local grocer over something I couldn't make out (the signs were poorly done). It occured to me that since one could argue that the links between sites are public avenues a site could 'picket' another site. The question became at this point, how? So far I have been unable to figure a way out. Any ideas you might care to share with us all? _______________________________________________________________________ | | | No people do so much harm as those who go about doing good. | | | | Mandell Creighton | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Remove this link immediately (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From don(a)tinaja.com Mon Jun 2 20:49:50 1997 Message-ID: <33937E16.2BE(a)tinaja.com> Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 19:14:46 -0700 From: Don Lancaster <don(a)zekes.com> Reply-To: don(a)zekes.com Organization: Synergetics X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: Re: Remove this link immediately References: <199706022354.SAA13080(a)einstein.ssz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim Choate wrote: > > Hi Don, > > > Your hackers resource page contains a link to my GURU'S LAIR WEB site > > at http://www.tinaja.com > > I don't have a hackers resource page, I do small office - home office > consulting. > > > > > Please remove this link. > > Please do so immediately. > > Short answer, no. If you don't want links to it don't put it on the net. > > > > > -- > > > > Don Lancaster > > > > Synergetics Press 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 > > Voice phone: (520) 428-4073 email: don(a)tinaja.com > > Visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com > > > > Know your acronymns: url = utterly rancid location > > net = not entirely true > > www = world wide wait > > > > Jim Choate > CyberTects > ravage(a)ssz.com Your actions constitute criminal libel. You will be treated accordingly. -- Many thanks, Don Lancaster Synergetics Press 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 Voice phone: (520) 428-4073 email: don(a)tinaja.com Visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com Know your acronymns: url = utterly rancid location net = not entirely true www = world wide wait

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Re: Remove this link immediately
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi Don, > > Jim Choate wrote: > > > > Hi Don, > > > > > Your hackers resource page contains a link to my GURU'S LAIR WEB site > > > at http://www.tinaja.com > > > > I don't have a hackers resource page, I do small office - home office > > consulting. > > > > > > > > Please remove this link. > > > Please do so immediately. > > > > Short answer, no. If you don't want links to it don't put it on the net. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Don Lancaster > > > > > > Synergetics Press 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 > > > Voice phone: (520) 428-4073 email: don(a)tinaja.com > > > Visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com > > > > > > Know your acronymns: url = utterly rancid location > > > net = not entirely true > > > www = world wide wait > > > > > > > Jim Choate > > CyberTects > > ravage(a)ssz.com > > > Your actions constitute criminal libel. > You will be treated accordingly. > -- > Many thanks, > > Don Lancaster > > Synergetics Press 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552 > Voice phone: (520) 428-4073 email: don(a)tinaja.com > Visit my GURU's LAIR web site at http://www.tinaja.com > > Know your acronymns: url = utterly rancid location > net = not entirely true > www = world wide wait > No more so than your trying to decide what bookstore might carry the magazines your articles appear in. Further more, even if your page were commercial access only that would in no way prohibit me from linking to it, unless you care to claim that a library or used bookstore with a computerized listing of your articles constitutes libel (it doesn't). Give me a break and go pick a fight you can win. And if you are serious please enough with the vailed threats, just give me your lawyers name and number like a good little boy. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Re: McVeigh
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5OLyI9Co1n+aLhhAQFwwQP/UjaOJsK5+H2C+/lvlzqHOmWpBtoBiWv5 j41u1jFpl7z8U5Tzdw6k3TZ9NgWfbtrGoKB+0tvGpGElWrh0zxCWJ5EaQGrfDKtg UsuErzl9wzqBLZNo7vzUaRFxdOI6cbO+MxP/Xg5rv4Smka9sS6XekRu/v/cxnhwB zjkchBbPvV8= =OZyz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: McVeigh
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5OLu49Co1n+aLhhAQEtRwP/eQV8Ecl4fsxFgAYCLXjR1SaMnhbi5uXp QoiO18fNJ0bPfNmuVP7s57BvBbwilEvXZSHDT3HfHFOxQxM/YIujoB2QmNma3gex kZxkGj+B2AXxEofZvLgq1o5t5k/mKU9LhMQzNMyXkWGk9hCXda2M+0+2QRXWFoav qfLdvgchNaA= =7ck9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: McVeigh
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- In <199706030020.TAA04784(a)manifold.algebra.com>, on 06/02/97 at 07:20 PM, ichudov(a)algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home) said: >Anonymous wrote: >> >> On Mon, Jun 02, 1997 at 05:34:55PM -0500, bennett_t1(a)popmail.firn.edu wrote: >> > Timothy McVeigh was found guilty on all counts today. I am not >> > surprised. People will believe anything the govt. says, and besides, >> > the governments lawyers were obviously more expensive than McVeigh's. >> > This is a sad day for all anti-government haters. >> >> Yes, poor Tim Mcveigh. If he's innocent then he is one more victim >> of the OKC bomber. >> >> Tim May: "broken eggs and all that" >Is that the end of the story? I understand it that he can appeal, and >will. > - Igor. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5OLrY9Co1n+aLhhAQFC8wQAxmU7M6fL3U9gpFmd6kD1vSzf0twOaLnA wo1cEeO40VNyO45YeoZmZd/dLUl5LCgbyOR7MeKV8LTY9pFIxzeOdJwpoM+KT6z0 2gjBniplzhHYrq25opR3tqkxenooIO+zsNN+bulYF9XIv3wIi+zGwEnCLZn/VR8h xGQl6RhrwaM= =z+h5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Webpage picketing?...
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Trei wrote: > Jim Choate wrote: > > I have been looking at how to impliment picketing on the web. To date I have > > been unable to come up with a way to force a connection to one machine to go > > through a third machine in order to express some view about the original > > target. > > > > It occured to me > > that since one could argue that the links between sites are public avenues a > > site could 'picket' another site. The question became at this point, how? > Jim: > You may dislike > one of the sites linking to yours, but you really can't hijack their > connections and force people to listen to you who don't want to. Wrong! It's done every day in every media from newspapers to TV and points in between, including the InterNet. > Imagine if you could! Anyone who dislikes any other page on the > web could block access Like CyberSitter, for instance. They can keep your child from using the local library computer to access Humane Society pages and animal rights groups because they have the word "bitch" on their websites. > There are two things you *can* do. (With Peter's approval, but many more things you can do with my approval.) > 1. You can put a disclaimer on your page "If you linked here from > XXX.XXX.XXX, please be aware that I object to that connection for > the following reasons..." "...and I have uploaded a virus to your machine. Have a nice day." > 2. If you or your webmaster have any kind of technical > sophistication, you can force links to your page to go to a CGI > script, which uses the HTTP-referrer: header to provide different > pages depending on the source of the connection. "You have linked to the CHILD PORNOGRAPHY Home Page." "Information regarding your sexual proclivities will be forwarded to the FBI, the local religious and law enforcement authorities in your home town, as well as to your employer and known associates." "Have a nice day." > But please, don't try to extend the 'information superhighway' > (blech!) metaphor to include virtual sidewalks with picketing > rights Please, do! There is not a day goes by where government and corporate entities do not promote legislation or software standards, etc., which are designed to influence what we may and may not see, as well as in what manner we perceive it. There is no reason that the individual cannot work in their own way to counter activities that they see as working against their own personal interests. It is possible to promote a wide range of "links" to web pages which are "spoofs" of another page or which link to the page but do so by opening them in a window which has surrounding windows revealing contradictory opinons, links, etc. Provide a link to the "Pretty Lousy Privacy" homepage, but add a window which mentions that your ten year old son cracked their cryptography program. Provide a pointer to a copy of the latest crypto legislation, which you have "translated" to include phrases such as, "despite its blantant unconstitutionality" and "in order to shear the sheeple." You are under no obligation to produce links or pointers, or to respond to links or pointers to your own site, in a manner that runs contrary to your own self-interest, or which allow those following those links to do so with blind faith that they will receive information slanted only toward a pre-conceived view of the world. Someone posted a URL to a web page "spoof" done by a number of cypherpunks (Hal Finney??,??) who had placed a number of options such as "Click here to destroy your hard-drive.", etc. on the site. It was a very Zen koan type of page which made one think about what they were doing and the possibilities of what the web page authors were/could-be doing. Click on a link that states, "Click here to see Hot, Teenage Sluts" and you are likely to end up at hotmail.com, adding to their list of spammees. To join the Dorthy Denning fan club, send email to majordomo(a)toad.com with a message body that says "subscribe cypherpunks." One can change the content of another's message when replying to an email: > Peter Trei > Disclaimer: The above represents the opinion of the people who > are holding my family hostage. or invent whatever "facts" suit their purpose: "Dr. Vulis is a murdering Armenian and Jim Choate sends the ASCII art spams to the list. These are well-known facts to which they have admitted in the past." I have a lot of respect for Peter's work, opinions and for his integrity, but my perception is that he fails to understand that the InterNet is a growing mosaic which can and should reflect *all* of life, and that his perception of what the InterNet is and should be somehow dictates what should and should not be done on the InterNet. I think that what should be done on the InterNet is exactly what people *want* to do. It is up to their own conscience as to whether their actions are done with integrity and up to the rest of us to interpret and respond to those actions. Tim May replied to someone on the list that a subject header he had used was "guilty(?)" of being inflammatory, and that he had used it for that very reason, to draw attention to his post. Is this manipulative? It is the way life works. I used Peter Trei and others' software for the DES Challenge, but I posted a suggestion to the list that perhaps their programs contained subterfuge designed to thwart others in their attempts to find the secret keys. Was I spreading FUD? The responses to my post gave me much more information about the processes behind the software than any direct inquiries I had made about their workings. (And they reinforced the fact that "blind trust" in their programs or anyone else's is foolish.) In short, I do not see Jim's concept of "picketing" web sites to be lacking in ethics, any more than Dr. Vulis' "rants" or John Gilmore's "unsubscribing" of the good Doctor or Tim May's "prodding" of our attention by his choice of subject headers. Each of us is responsible for interpreting and analyzing the information we access whether it says the king is wearing clothes or the king is naked. I could put a pointer to Peter's software which opens an adjoining window which warns that it may be compromised as a result of ulterior motives. The fact is, however, that Peter might himself put a disclaimer on his page saying, "If you can't read code, then you can't be certain of what my software is doing." (As a matter of fact, I believe his documentation mentions that there is no guarantee his logic is not in error.) And in the extreme case of anti-abortionists intercepting the email of pro-choice groups and inserting "Abortion is Murder!" messages--if the person receiving the message can't figure out that something is amiss, then maybe its not a good idea for them to be having children, anyway. (maybe) TruthMonger (maybe not) To view the contents of the whitehouse.gov hard drive: http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/

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CA dig sig
by Lee Tien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 01:21:59 -0400 >From: Ben Wright <Ben_Wright(a)compuserve.com> >Subject: California signature regs >To: CA-DIGSIG <CA-DIGSIG(a)commerce.net> > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >This message was addressed to: ca-digsig(a)lists.commerce.net >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >See <http://www.ss.ca.gov/digsig/digsig.htm>. The California Secretary of >State proposes regulations under California's digital signature act. The >regs allow for two types of technologies -- public key crypto and signature >dynamics (a method for securely binding measurements of a handwritten >autograph to an electronic document). > >--Ben Wright >Author, The Law of Electronic Commerce ><http://infohaus.com/access/by-seller/Benjamin_Wright> >Ben_Wright(a)compuserve.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBM5OjBrk2KqHYSFEtEQIZlgCg54ppki6gxo85Iz4jrGVWptpfDKgAoPHi YNkQ6Z+NMo/f7sieToDJje4Z =zH6K -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Comments on the Macintosh
by Bill Frantz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Vinnie wrote: >Tim,.I am suprised to hear you whining with such a liberals voice.. I >always thought that demanding memory protection in an OS is a lot like >demanding that the government is responsible for protecting you from >anything that might go bad.. If applications are well written, then you >really dont need the memory partitions in a personal computer. Hi Vinnie. I'm with Tim on this one. While I have strong feelings about locking up people, I have no compunctions at all about locking up program-instances. If I can contain the instances, and especially keep them limited in their file access, I can do a bunch to control viruses and other nasties. (BTW - Linux, like all Unixes is piss poor at limiting file system access.) Best Regards - Bill ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The Internet was designed | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | to protect the free world | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | from hostile governments. | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: McVeigh
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hallam-Baker, realizing he is a soft target, wrote: > Appologists for McVeigh should consider that his actions did not > advance the militia cause an iota, it destroyed it and along with > it much of the right wing fringe. Or perhaps just sent more people underground. Many remarked that the Jim Bell arrest chilled the free speech of many list members but there are now at least two active AP Bots on the internet. I haven't noticed anybody "apologizing" for McVeigh or Bell. There are merely those who act or who don't act. <The rest of Phill's post is just his usual knee-jerk, elitist slander of those he politically opposes, and not worth commenting on.> TruthMonger

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[fwd] California digital-signature proposed regulations
by Jamie Lawrence 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 09:40:30 -0800 To: [...] Subject: [fwd] California digital-signature proposed regulations >Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 01:21:59 -0400 >From: Ben Wright <Ben_Wright(a)compuserve.com> >Subject: California signature regs >To: CA-DIGSIG <CA-DIGSIG(a)commerce.net> > >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ >This message was addressed to: ca-digsig(a)lists.commerce.net >+----------------------------------------------------------------------+ > >See <http://www.ss.ca.gov/digsig/digsig.htm>. The California Secretary of >State proposes regulations under California's digital signature act. The >regs allow for two types of technologies -- public key crypto and signature >dynamics (a method for securely binding measurements of a handwritten >autograph to an electronic document). > >--Ben Wright >Author, The Law of Electronic Commerce ><http://infohaus.com/access/by-seller/Benjamin_Wright> >Ben_Wright(a)compuserve.com > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >This message was sent by a majordomo-based automatic list manager. >Subscriptions to and archives of this list are available to any person >or organization. For further information send a mail message to >'ca-digsig-request(a)lists.commerce.net' with 'help' (no quotations) >contained in the body of your message. > --- end forwarded text -- "This analogy is like lifting yourself by your own bootstraps." -Douglas R. Hofstadter _______________________________________________________________ Jamie Lawrence jal(a)acm.org

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Re: May's Banal Rant
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:06 PM 6/2/97 -0500, Marc Rotenberg wrote: >Like I said, Tim May et al are behind the >curve. You guys preach cyber anarchy but >you're really armchair activists. Methinks Marc has no idea what many of us do in their day jobs, much less what we do in our spare time. But who cares. All that matters is that we get more tools out faster. On that note...back to work. --Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred. Put a stake through the heart of DES! Join the quest at http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm

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