December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

FBI wants domestic crypto keys
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,12317,00.html FBI wants domestic crypto keys By Alex Lash July 10, 1997, 12:45 p.m. PT After months on the fence, Federal Bureau of Investigation director Louis Freeh is making it clear that controlling the domestic use of encryption software is a greater priority than limiting its export. "Law enforcement is more concerned about the significant and growing threat to public safety and effective law enforcement that would be caused by the proliferation and use within the United States of a communications infrastructure that supports strong encryption products but cannot support timely law enforcement decryption," Freeh told the Senate Judiciary Committee yesterday. The director's comments yesterday underline the conflict within the administration on encryption policy and the influence the security agencies have on that policy. Other voices in the administration, including Vice President Al Gore and an early draft of the White House's e-commerce white paper, have long insisted that domestic use would remain unregulated. In the hearing convened by committee chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), Freeh also expressed concern that pending Senate legislation doesn't go far enough in giving law enforcement access to encrypted electronic data within U.S. borders. "These legislative proposals still do not contain adequate assurances that the impact on public safety and effective law enforcement of the widespread availability of encryption will be addressed," he told the committee. Freeh was referring specifically to Senate bill 909, which mandates domestic key recovery--a technology that gives access to a user's private keys--for all encryption products purchased with federal money and for all federally funded electronic networks. Security officials like Freeh argue that inaccessible encryption will let criminals communicate on the Internet without fear of being caught. The bill, sponsored by Sens. Bob Kerrey (D-Nebraska) and John McCain (R-Arizona), would also require key recovery for anyone within the United States using a government-approved digital certificate. Digital certificates are ID tags that verify the sender of a communication or transaction as well as the integrity of the data within. "Registration and the use of registered agents and [digital certificate] authorities are entirely voluntary," Kerrey told the committee yesterday. Because digital certificates are considered necessary to spur Net-based commerce, critics of the McCain-Kerrey bill argue that a federal "stamp of approval" program for certificates creates an environment of mistrust for those who choose not to participate in the program. Such an environment is bad for business, critics say, and will make the federal program and the use of key recovery a de facto standard. The bill has already been approved by the Senate Commerce Committee, and Judiciary might take it up for debate soon. The bill has not yet been referred to the committee, however, and no further hearings have been scheduled, according to the committee press secretary Jeanne Lopatto. Opponents of McCain-Kerrey are already taking unprecedented steps to state their case. The Electronic Frontier Foundation, an online rights organization, has gone beyond its usual Net-based advocacy to create a 60-second radio spot. The commercial urges listeners to contact McCain and complain about the bill. "We feel that if this bill passes it will have an extreme impact to privacy for the American public in the next 100 years, and the majority of people walking down the street will never know what even happened," EFF executive director Lori Fena told CNET's NEWS.COM. "We're preaching to the choir already on the Net; it's more effective to reach people in their cars." The radio ad is airing this week during rush-hour drive times in San Francisco, New York, and Washington, D.C. The organization will gauge the volume of response to the ad before buying more air time, but Fena is encouraged by the response so far. The nonprofit group has spent "in the low thousands of dollars" on the advertisements, Fena added.

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Re: Freeh's Testimony (FBI Seeks Domestic GAK)
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Statement of Louis J. Freeh, Director, FBI, before the Senate Judiciary >Committee Hearing on Encryption, United States Senate, Washington, D. C. - >July 9, 1997 >Would we allow a car to be driven with features which would evade and >outrun police cars? But we do. Two hundred MPH cars remain street legal most places. With a good driver, these cars can even move fast enough to outrun radio communications (or rather the response time involved in radio communications). The search circle that contains them becomes too big too fast. >Would we build houses or >buildings which firefighters could not enter to save people? These remain legal as well. Heinlein's reinforced concrete house on Bonny Doone road in the Santa Cruz mountains. It is perfectly legal to build a reinforced concrete structure that could defeat entry for many days. More generally, it is legal not to speak and thus to deprive police and prosecutors of the contents of your mind. Crypto just extends this right. >Most importantly, we are not advocating that the privacy rights or personal >security of any person or enterprise be compromised >or threatened. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. I don't think this has ever been tested in court. I'll bet their are many circumstances in which it is perfectly legal to shout fire in a(n unburning) crowded theater. >You can't with >impunity commit libel or slander. Unless you're judgement proof. These are usually civil not criminal matters in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. >In support of our position for a rational encryption policy which balances >public safety with the right to secure communications, >we rely on the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution. There the framers >established a delicate balance between "the right of the >people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects (today we >might add personal computers, modems, data >streams, discs, etc.) against unreasonable searches and seizures." Those >precious rights, however, were balanced against the >legitimate right and necessity of the police, acting through strict legal >process, to gain access by lawful search and seizure to the >conversations and stored evidence of criminals, spies and terrorists. Course you long ago dropped the bit about "reasonable cause to believe a *crime *has been* committed." Loads of preventive wiretaps and regulatory searches in the absence of even the accusation of a crime. Violating Regs is usually not a crime. >The precepts and balance of the Fourth Amendment have not changed or >altered. What has changed from the late eighteenth to >the late twentieth century is technology and telecommunications well beyond >the contemplation of the framers. Course the Framers didn't have wiretaps either since they had no wires. We're just trying to restore the balance to the way it was in those days. No wiretaps. DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM8ZdwYVO4r4sgSPhAQFzuwQAsIaHDDZgqS7j2Fit59XgF/6dRMtVlMc8 cSdEZcJX+PgNPSfLMnJ3YzYZ0tchmtRseD3xpx/eSnFrs5mTk8EhwPoPjMec1ydc yzHKkQJ/Nv0aNDkGGv/ertjA9TsbLBnKYHMEmDLAq9EyQ6rnnbeedJx36GwTw9BM RYabw2seBxU= =HIgS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Recreational pharmaceuticals by genetic engineering (fwd)
by Ray Arachelian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts"
by Peter Swire 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:29 AM 7/10/97 -0700, Tim May wrote: >I'm not a lawyer, but I am interested in the various ramifications--and the >constitutionality--of recent "sweeping contracts" between vendors, >lawmakers, consumers, etc. > >Two recent example: > >1. The "tobacco agreement." Supposedly a deal involving the transfer of >$360 billion from some number of tobacco companies in exchange for dropping >of liability suits, immunity from future claims, voluntary restrictions (!) >on advertising, etc. (And the "etc." is especially complicated in this huge >case.) So far as I know, the agreement has no legal effect until and unless a bill is enacted in Congress. Once a bill is enacted, there can obviously be far-reaching ramifications. For instance, an individual's right to sue in tort can be cut off. Punitive damages can be abolished for the defined class of suits, etc. If such a bill is enacted, various groups would likely sue on the basis that it is unconstitutional. That's what happened with CDA -- the indecency provisions first became law, and then were overturned in the courts. > >2. The "voluntary ratings" agreement being announced today by Al Gore and >some of the television networks. (Earlier "voluntary agreements" were >implemented, but, according to supporters of censorship, "failed." Hence >the new push for newer voluntary restrictions.) The big legal fight on ratings is whether any "state action" takes place. The First Amendment governs efforts by a federal or state government to restrict speech. If private companies "voluntarily" agree to do something, the First Amendment simply does not apply. But if the coercive power of the state forces them to do the same thing, then the courts can get involved under the First Amendment. Here, if the government is too explicit that it will ban certain speech unless the networks ban it, then a court might find that the government in fact is involved in an impermissible way. >The issue, it seems to me, is that ordinary concepts of illegality and >civil liability are being swept aside in favor of these huge "deals" to >reduce liability in exchange for various actions. Well, who is bound by >these deals? > >If "Tim's Tobacco Company" starts up next year, after this deal is >"signed," is his company bound by this deal? If Tim the Smoker develops >lung cancer, is he blocked from suing? > The basic concepts are pretty clear. A contract among various parties binds that group of parties. A statute of general applicability can regulate everyone in the jurisdiction. The existing tobacco companies can't bind "Tim's Tobacco Company" in their contract. However, if they support a bill in Congress, and the statute is enacted, then their actions might indeed play a role in restricting your actions later on. Peter Prof. Peter Swire Ohio State University College of Law mailto:swire.1@osu.edu web: http://www.osu.edu/units/law/swire.htm (in early stages of construction)

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Airlines to start profiling, bag matching
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washdc/ncs17.htm 07/10/97 - 08:26 AM ET Airlines to start profiling, bag matching New security measures for domestic flights, combining limited bag matching with a controversial computerized profiling system, will be operating by Dec. 31, Federal Aviation Administration officials said Wednesday. But the proposal, scaled down from what a presidential commission recommended in September, immediately drew fire from airline safety and civil rights proponents. The FAA will require that "first, passengers are profiled and selected bags are searched or matched," said Bruce Butterworth, director of civil aviation security operations, in an interview with USA TODAY. Airlines are expected to match bags with about 5% of fliers. A computerized profiling system will identify those who might pose a security risk. Example: passengers who buy tickets with cash. If someone matches the profile, their bags would not be stowed until they actually board the plane. Total bag matching is routine on international flights. But American Airlines executive vice president Robert Baker says he doubts that the Dec. 31 deadline will be met because airlines are still developing a profiling system. "We'll be lucky to have this in place by next year," he says. The FAA says it was encouraged that a test of bag matching in May at 12 U.S. airports didn't cause massive delays. Proponents of 100% bag matching say the FAA caved into the airlines' demands. "This weakens the whole idea of bag matching. It's about time the FAA decides whether it's on the side of profits for the airlines or on the side of safety," says Susan Cohen, whose daughter was killed by the terrorist bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 in 1988. The presidential commission had proposed that every passenger be matched with every bag on all domestic flights. But after the airlines objected, fearing massive delays, it agreed to a combination of profiling and limited matching. Others say profiling may discriminate against some ethnic groups. "Passengers should not have to give up essential liberties just to get on planes," says the ACLU's Gregory Nojeim. By Donna Rosato, USA TODAY

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[NEWS] Computer Coding Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns
by Dave Del Torto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Computer Coding Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns By Aaron Pressman WASHINGTON, July 9 (Reuter) - FBI Director Louis Freeh on Wednesday issued his sternest warning yet that widespread use of computer encoding technology could wreak havoc on crime-fighting efforts. But computer industry participants warned that U.S. restrictions on encryption products, which scramble information and render it unreadable without a password or software "key," would merely boost sales by foreign companies. Freeh urged Congress to promote the use of a type of encryption that allows law enforcement agents to crack the codes by getting access to the software keys. "Law enforcement is in unanimous agreement that the widespread use of robust non-key recovery encryption ultimately will devastate our ability to fight crime and prevent terrorism," the FBI director testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Freeh has spoken out numerous times against the unrestricted export of strong encryption products, but his remarks Wednesday focused mainly on the threat to law enforcement efforts within the United States. Current laws impose tight controls on encryption exports but domestic use is completely unregulated and some scholars believe restrictions on U.S. citizens might be unconstitutional. Much of Wednesday's hearing rehashed well-worn arguments in the encryption debate. The software industry has backed legislation to relax export controls and promote the use of encryption as a means of securing electronic commerce and global communications over the Internet. Freeh and other members of the Clinton administration oppose those policies. Sen. Patrick Leahy, who is co-sponsor of a bill to dramatically relax export controls, argued that use of encryption could help prevent crimes. "Taking affirmative steps to use strong encryption can aid law enforcement and protect national security by limiting the threat of industrial espionage and foreign spying, and reducing the vulnerability of electronic information to online snoops and breaches of privacy," the Vermont Democrat said. Raymond Ozzie, author of the popular Lotus Notes messaging software, said the private sector's experience with key recovery schemes revealed significant problems. "All key management systems are inherently subject to failure of one sort or another," Ozzie, chairman of IBM Corp. <IBM.N> subsidiary Iris Associates, testified. "Mandated key management and key recovery methods remove diversity and centralize our vulnerabilities," he said. "This is likely to increase crime," Ozzie said. In addition to the Leahy measure, the Senate is also considering a bill sponsored by Sen. John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and Sen. Bob Kerrey, Democrat of Nebraska. That measure would continue to strictly limit export of encryption without key recovery and require all computer networks used by the federal government or funded in part by the government to include key recovery. The Kerrey-McCain bill faces substantial opposition in the Senate, said Marc Rotenberg, director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a Washington-based cyber civil rights group. "I don't think it has clear sailing on the Senate side," he said. An industry-backed bill in the House similiar to the Leahy approach has strong support and is expected to be approved by the International Relations Committee there soon, Rotenberg added. Wednesday, 9 July 1997 17:45:40 RTRS [nN09285032]

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A cheery note from USA Today
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.usatoday.com/usafront.htm This from their little happy factiod section... "Since FDA approval of Prozac in 1987, the number of Americans taking the anti-depressant has grown to 20 million." And considering the side-effects of Prozac, it is any wonder we live in a sexually frustrated nation?

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Re: Hacker cracks ESPN
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lynn Harrison wrote: >Starwave is warning customers about an "intruder" who took credit card >numbers from the ESPN and NBA Web sites and then sent messages to the card >owners about the alleged security flaws. Will the security breach on the >popular sports sites affect emerging e-commerce efforts? Is this the same story as the one in The Wall Street Journal today about Phiber Optic's "accidentally" sending worldwide a security test that automatically returns passwords stored on supposedly secure systems? Phiber claims he did not know the test would generate a flood of passwords to his e-mail address: from corps, mils, and govs. Says he's so sorry, especially because he's still doing community service. Phiber's employer refused to name the computer corp that installed the secure system Phiber was testing. However, experts interviewed said the password snarf feature is, ahem, well-known to experts, and that the only security worth trusting is the one you build and run yourself and test frequently and still makes you lay awake at night shivering in doubt fear and uncertainty -- like guilty-parental senators, TLA directors, and all the world's bearers of the public trust and such fundy druggies.

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Re: Acclivity - A global web of change management
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At , Marc Fourny wrote: >7 finally, we train the change team to innovate, install and implement new structures and systems. In addition we develop a new project management capability which is particularly key to success when radical change is involved. > >I would welcome the opportunity therefore of discussing with you your own tranformation programme to see how we might be able to add value to your own resources. ............................................................ Well, we could use some help with the Revolution. We need a crack team of precision go-getters who will lead the way towards the new anarcho-capitalist utopia, overcoming all the obvious & sundry obstacles in the way, particularly over by D.C. way. Or, how about another way to have an alternative internet which develops the way it originally grew and became so popular, before commercial organizations and spamming gold-diggers noticed it and got this idea that they could syphon advantages from it if only they could just control it, shaping it in their image, turning it in their direction. That would do it, for me. <g> .. Blanc

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Re: Cast of Characters for Crypto Politics (Judiciary Hearing)
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:15 PM 7/10/97 +0200, Anonymous wrote: > Does anyone know what color Blanc wears? ....................................................... White. .. Blanc

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Subject: Re: The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts"
by Peter Swire 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:12 PM 7/10/97 -0700, Marshall Clow wrote: >> <snip from previous posts> >> The big legal fight on ratings is whether any "state action" takes >>place. The First Amendment governs efforts by a federal or state government >>to restrict speech. If private companies "voluntarily" agree to do >>something, the First Amendment simply does not apply. But if the coercive >>power of the state forces them to do the same thing, then the courts can get >>involved under the First Amendment. >> Here, if the government is too explicit that it will ban certain >>speech unless the networks ban it, then a court might find that the >>government in fact is involved in an impermissible way. >> >What is the (legal) downside to a network (or producer) >saying "No, I won't rate my shows."? >Personally, I'd love to see Disney do this. Today's papers are filled with the new "voluntary" rating system that most of the networks agreed to. One of the threats, for whoever didn't join, would be a *ban* on violent programming before 10 p.m. Networks that did join would do the rating, and so would not be subject to the ban. So, the analysis really takes two steps: (1) If "voluntary" and "private", the courts don't get involved under the first amendment, because no state action. Yesterday, Camel announced that it "voluntarily" had decided to stop using Joe Camel. (2) If "involuntary" and "state action", then it's like the CDA case. The Court looks at the size of the burden on protected speech, and then looks to see if their is a less restrictive alternative. For instance, the "no violence before 10 p.m." rule would be scrutinized like the "indecency" provision in the CDA. Then you go to Vegas and bet on what the courts will say. :) Peter Prof. Peter Swire Ohio State University College of Law mailto:swire.1@osu.edu web: http://www.osu.edu/units/law/swire.htm (in early stages of construction)

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Re: NEWS: Freedom of Movement Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote: > No comment needed. > > >Freedom of Movement Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns > > > > By Klaus Prime > > > >WASHINGTON, July 9 (Reuter) - FBI Director Louis Freeh on Wednesday issued > >his sternest warning yet that freedom of movement by citizen units could > >wreak havoc on crime-fighting efforts. This is proof that Freeh has finally learnt to read, and has completed (we hope) "1984" and is applying it to his own world. Perhaps Freeh wasn't allowed to become a Big Brother, for the group of the same name. On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote: > No comment needed. > > >Freedom of Movement Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns > > > > By Klaus Prime > > > >WASHINGTON, July 9 (Reuter) - FBI Director Louis Freeh on Wednesday issued > >his sternest warning yet that freedom of movement by citizen units could > >wreak havoc on crime-fighting efforts. This is proof that Freeh has finally learnt to read, and has completed (we hope) "1984" and is applying it to his own world. Perhaps Freeh wasn't allowed to become a Big Brother, for the group of the same name.

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Re: The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts"
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 10:49 PM 7/10/97 -0700, Steve Schear wrote: ... >What if private citizens decided to place Joe Camel ads in print and TV or >sponsor an event. Would they also be constrained in their freedom of >speech? That depends on what constrains people. Those with the capital resources to place TV ads or sponsor events would likely imagine the investigation from bureaucrats into their connections with the evil weed. Bureaucrats tend not to assume that liking the first amendment motivates anyone when compared to the lure of filthy lucre (ample evidence to the contrary notwithstanding). I can imagine a conversation something like this: "Ok, let's look into the stock portfolio of this "Steve Schear" guy who placed the ad that pissed the FDA commissioner off. Any RJR-Nabisco? What about his family? Hey, call the IRS and see if he's been audited lately, and plunk his name into that big FBI database CD-ROM we got from the Whitehouse." Leaving aside regulations governing TV stations and possible pressures on event promoters by government, I don't think that private citizens with the means to do this would have the will. As an increasingly less-partisan-and-more-anarchistic Libertarian, I must point out a little-noted aspect of the Democrats' scam (there is no other word). (from http://www.washtimes.com/politics/inside.html) Donor guests . . . . The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee scheduled a small dinner last night at La Brasserie. Among the "donor guests" of the anti-smoking party: Philip Morris, R.J. Reynolds and the Tobacco Institute. What still gets me is the shamelessness of it. This is like N.O.R.M.L. taking money from pee-test manufacturers (they don't, AFAIK). I know, "strange bedfellows" and all, but you'd think that they'd wait to dine privately together until their little public tiff is settled. I guess they figured that they can count on the media (aside from the Washtimes) not to call them on it. JMR -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEPAwUBM8XafTUhsGSn1j2pAQHhEAfQwjGRDAhYQaZ928SgRNrdqAuFPepdeJVl fC6fSNVPsV7AxRAcnMUEqPH+MigIOQ9c84zMvmifBX/u1+X6Bi8lBKYB82W9COY4 QWcikhRFMkHGm6PhT52tjz0sE6l28PGqEi0j979N1srikwMhY82QUFPwE0+c6nJk tdbVWibae7SWfOQMFNDF9M3Ia3EzUf/ALdrDgz3Y5DVsBLA7bb2qBfLVn3uZ67gS 4KpPS5y8s4mUEEX5A83Sbz+ySfExv3OAHh4rDvjfulpDw7Sxhr42fsKdClirkHcg zOGe3/pbjUZS2CfCgm40PTjhXM71cvR/pST5COGuoVVnMQ== =ti9f -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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17 Dec '03

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Controversy over UK escrow proposal (fwd)
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 12:08:13 +0100 From: Ross Anderson <Ross.Anderson(a)cl.cam.ac.uk> To: ukcrypto(a)maillist.ox.ac.uk Cc: prz(a)pgp.com Subject: Controversy over UK escrow proposal This may be of interest, as the first news report that a government department is going on the record to oppose the escrow proposals of another government department. Ross Encryption: NHS FIGHTS TO BE EXEMPT FROM TTP Service claims key data access would breach patient confidentiality (Network Week v 2 no 41 (9/7/97), front page lead) By Daryl Wilcox The NHS has demanded to be exempt from proposed regulations requiring encryption keys to be lodged with a trusted third party (TTP). The NHS said it was concerned that if keys to medical data were held by TTPs, as proposed by the DTI for access by law enforcernent agencies, patients would lose confidence in the service's commitment to confidentiality. A source close to the DTl confirmed last week that the NHS had called for an exemption from TTP rules in a submission to the DTI on its proposals. The NHS is keen to be free to adopt encryption to allow the electronic movement of patient records between hospitals and GPs. The move looked likely to fuel widespread objection to the proposals from commerce and civil liberties groups, who would interpret the NHS position as a blow to thc credibility of a compulsory TTP system. Marion Bain, hcad of data protection issues at the Common Services Agency of the NHS, raised the NHS's concerns at last week's annual conference of data protection professionals' club Privacy and Business. ``The NHS concerns are different to business con- cems,'' she said. ``Patients would be resistant to the electronic transfer of their information if they thought access to it was available to a third party. The NHS would welcome being exempt from TTP rules.'' A source close to tlie DTI said: ``The NHS wants no part of a TTP rule. They have fought hard for patient data to only be made available to clinical practitioners and they want to preserve this.'' (ends)

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Re: New Add-On Law
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can the LEA have a blanket wiretap in a confessional booth in hopes of gaining evidence of organized crime? Are they permitted to monitor all confessions or just the ones stated in the warrant? Do LEA view themselves as God? Forgive me mother for I have sinned. I have used un-GAKd crypto in my preperations of my writings about theology.

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17 Dec '03

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NEWS: Freedom of Movement Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

No comment needed. >Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:13:18 -0700 > >Freedom of Movement Could Cripple Cops, FBI Warns > > By Klaus Prime > >WASHINGTON, July 9 (Reuter) - FBI Director Louis Freeh on Wednesday issued >his sternest warning yet that freedom of movement by citizen units could >wreak havoc on crime-fighting efforts. > >But travel industry participants warned that U.S. restrictions on freedom >of movement, which would require citizen units to notify law enforcment of >their travel plans and check in at police stations would merely boost >travel to foreign countries which don't have such restrictions. > >Freeh urged Congress to promote the use of a type of "position escrow" >that allows law enforcement agents to track the locations of terrorists, >child pornographers, money launderers, and other thought criminals by >using the position escrow data base. "Access to the position escrow data >base would only be by legitimate law enforcement personnel," Freeh said. > >"Law enforcement is in unanimous agreement that the widespread freedom of >criminals to move about freehly will devastate our ability to fight crime >and prevent terrorism," the FBI director testified before the Senate >Judiciary Committee. > >Freeh has spoken out numerous times against the unrestricted ability of >citizen units to move about freehly, but his remarks Wednesday focused >mainly on the threat to law enforcement efforts within the United States. > >Current laws place few restrictions on where citizen units may travel and >live, except for parolees and sex offenders, and some scholars believe >restrictions on U.S. citizens might be unconstitutional. > >Wednesday, 9 July 1997 17:45:40 >RTRS [nN09285032] >

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New Add-On Law / Re: Freeh's Testimony (FBI Seeks Domestic GAK)
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duncan Frissell wrote: > More generally, it is legal not to speak and thus to deprive police and > prosecutors of the contents of your mind. Crypto just extends this right. Duncan, as he often does, points out a small truth which goes to the very heart of the issue of criminalizing strong encryption. Criminalizing crypto is criminalizing _private_speech_ and also _private_thought_. Mark my words, when the day comes that LEA's have the technology to read human thoughts, then we will be seeing this same debate taking place in that arena. The "legitimate needs of law enforcement" rhetoric, et al, will be drug out for the billionth time to thwart the danger that a CypherPunk might fart in the woods without an LEA recording it. Think back to the first time you read "1984" and think about what you, yourself, could _add_ to the book from your own personal knowledge and experience since that date. If we added all of the instances of "Big Brother" becoming an accepted reality of everyday life since then, the tome would rival "War and Peace" in volume and scope. If I choose to write my prayers on a word processor, in order to better organize my spiritual thoughts and be able to reference them to remember my promises to God, does the State have a right to demand I let them view those prayers, and private religious thoughts? If I use a computer to write my attorney, perhaps even outlining my activities, etc., in regard to criminal charges against me, does the State have a right to demand access to it? Am I allowed to whisper to my lawyer in court, but not to type what I want him to know on a computer screen he has in front of him in the same courtroom? Am I allowed to tell a $200/hour psychiatrist that someone made me mad enough to "kill" them in order to stay sane enough not to do so, and have it kept confidential, but be denied the right, if I am a poor person, to do the exact same thing in writing on my computer, with the help of a $4.95 paperback self-help/psychology book? Have private thoughts been "corporatized/governmentized" somehow? Are our private thoughts sacred only when shared with a recognized authority? If I share them with myself, do they become the property of the State? Am I totally out of my mind, or has life become tremendously fucking scary, and nobody but me has noticed? Sometimes I feel like the guy on the plane in the "Twilight Zone" movie, who is the only one who can see the monster on the plane's wing that is endangering everyone's life. And if you shoot at the monster nobody else can see, then they strap you down and take you to the rubber room. (Obvious analogy to McVeigh and Death Row purely unintentional.) {"Your honor, this search warrant is for the purpose of cracking the suspect's head open with a crowbar and prying his brain out so that we can poke around, in _good_faith_, I assure you, and look for evidence that pertains to a crime that may have been committed.") If you don't provide a breathalyzer sample, you are automatically guilty of drunken driving (even if the DMV License Tester is handing you a perfect score/report as the officer places you in handcuffs). I have no doubt that under future key escrow laws that your prayers to God and your letters to yourself detailing the most intimate details of your life will make you automatically guilty of tax evasion unless you allow strangers who are hostile to you (police, judges, prosecutors) to read them. Yes, and one day, even our private thoughts will be considered to automatically make us guilty criminals unless we allow LEA's access to them. (The "lie detector" is a case in point, and it has in the past come dangerously close to being afforded the same status as the breathalyzer, even though it represents "voodoo" as much as it does "science.") If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody hears it--is it a drug trafficking tree or a child molesting tree? TruthMonger

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by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Remember "the internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it"? I'd be happy with an internet that interprets DAMAGE as damage and routes around it. >A minor construction accident in San Jose, California, caused >three hours of Internet slowdowns this morning, especially for >those trying to connect to and from West Coast Web sites. >Backbone Internet providers route requests and information >through about a half-dozen network access points (NAPs). >When one has a problem, it can affect the entire Internet.

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From Bad to Worse / Re: Jim Bell (FINALLY!) Charged
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duncan Frissell wrote: > >Oregonian Friday July 11, 1997 Page B3 > > > >James D. Bell was charged Wednesday with interfearing with a federal > >officer > >and using false Social Security numbers. He has been held without > >bail in the Pierce County Jail since his May 18 arrest. > [Warning! Old, politically incorrect law school joke coming up.] > What was the biggest charge reduction in the history of plea bargaining? > That would have been the reduction from a charge of Sodomy to a charge of > Following Too Close. -- From the International Committee for the Preservation > of Politically Incorrect Law School Jokes. I was arrested for "arson." They said that if I'd turned her over, then the charge would have been "rape." My lawyer pleaded it down to "assault with a friendly weapon." (The prosecutor argued for "dangerous weapon," but I was fortunate enough to have a male judge, so the evidence didn't stand up in court when it was presented for inspection.) > >In an affidavit for the search warrant, IRS Special Investigator Jeff > >Gordon said that Bell was "directly soliciting others to set up a system > >to murder government officials" and that he had devised a plan to > >overthrow the government. > > So where are these "others" and why are they still being allowed to walk the > streets? Perhaps the others are all decent, law-abiding conspirators who planned to have Dr.Kevorkian "help" government officials and, rather than "overthowing" the government, will merely act as executors (pardon the pun) of the e$tate. > All right. You forced me. "Why do they call it the 'Reasonable Man Test'? > Because there's no such thing as a reasonable woman." (See Above) [Duck and > Cover!] Everyone knows what "Coyote Ugly" is...do you know what "Jailbird Ugly" is? It's when a woman is so ugly that her rapist is sentenced to _do_ her again--from the front. ArsonAssed "Justice is a two-edged place to put your sword." Something's wrong when I'm sodomized under an increasing number of laws. Only one response to the dick grabbers is warranted: "Pull!...Pull!" ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Mayor Maynot | Sexual Anarchy: raincoat encryption, mm(a)got.sum 408-728-0152 | anonymous sex, digital fetishes, Zippo W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, bad reputations, sex markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black sex markets, collapse of boners. "Chastity belts aren't even hemmeroids on the anal bi-way."

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McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key r
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/5133.html McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key recovery," the Arizona Republican said in an interview. McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee, and Senator Bob Kerrey (D-Nebraska) introduced the Secure Public Networks Act last month. Privacy advocates and much of the high-tech industry oppose domestic key recovery on grounds that it would violate civil rights and be impractical and expensive to build and manage. McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to discuss a new technology being developed by the software giant that could be less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. The senator also said he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week to discuss yet another alternative. Officials from Netscape were not immediately available for comment. "I'm saying, OK, if you have another solution, I'd like to hear it," McCain said, though he stressed that protecting national security remains his "first obligation." The McCain-Kerrey bill includes provisions for setting up a voluntary domestic key recovery system, including incentives for those who participate. Critics say participation in the key-management infrastructure wouldn't really be voluntary - it would be a prerequisite to conducting electronic commerce. Encryption, or data-scrambling technology, is widely viewed as the cornerstone to e-commerce because it conceals credit card numbers and other personal information traveling over networks. Key recovery, as outlined in the bill, would create a system of certificate authorities to whom users would give a copy of their data keys. Law enforcement could then access that copy of your key through a court order. McCain's flexibility on the issue could influence the debate over how to protect national security while allowing a free market to flourish in the digital age. Just two days ago, at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the bill, FBI director Louis Freeh testified on the need for mandatory domestic key recovery, and some senators on the committee, notably the chairman, Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), seemed to agree that some sort of domestic key recovery is needed to allow law enforcement to wiretap suspect digital communications and transactions.

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McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative
by Alan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lets try that again... http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/5133.html McCain Open to Key Recovery Alternative by Rebecca Vesely 3:06pm 11.Jul.97.PDT Senator John McCain, sponsor of legislation that would create a domestic key recovery system for all encrypted commercial transactions and personal communications, said Friday that he is open to hearing alternatives to such a plan. "We are not wedded entirely to key recovery," the Arizona Republican said in an interview. McCain, chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science, and Transportation Committee, and Senator Bob Kerrey (D-Nebraska) introduced the Secure Public Networks Act last month. Privacy advocates and much of the high-tech industry oppose domestic key recovery on grounds that it would violate civil rights and be impractical and expensive to build and manage. McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to discuss a new technology being developed by the software giant that could be less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. The senator also said he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week to discuss yet another alternative. Officials from Netscape were not immediately available for comment. "I'm saying, OK, if you have another solution, I'd like to hear it," McCain said, though he stressed that protecting national security remains his "first obligation." The McCain-Kerrey bill includes provisions for setting up a voluntary domestic key recovery system, including incentives for those who participate. Critics say participation in the key-management infrastructure wouldn't really be voluntary - it would be a prerequisite to conducting electronic commerce. Encryption, or data-scrambling technology, is widely viewed as the cornerstone to e-commerce because it conceals credit card numbers and other personal information traveling over networks. Key recovery, as outlined in the bill, would create a system of certificate authorities to whom users would give a copy of their data keys. Law enforcement could then access that copy of your key through a court order. McCain's flexibility on the issue could influence the debate over how to protect national security while allowing a free market to flourish in the digital age. Just two days ago, at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on the bill, FBI director Louis Freeh testified on the need for mandatory domestic key recovery, and some senators on the committee, notably the chairman, Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), seemed to agree that some sort of domestic key recovery is needed to allow law enforcement to wiretap suspect digital communications and transactions.

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Re: Microsoft and Netscape to Provide McCain with Options?
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mostly I'd like to know what the proposals by these loft captains of industry ARE. At 06:15 PM 7/12/97 -0700, Tom Weinstein wrote: > >Alan wrote: >> >> On Fri, 11 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote: >> >>> At 5:26 PM -0700 7/11/97, Alan Olsen wrote: >> >>>> McCain said he met with Microsoft representatives recently to >>>> discuss a new technology being developed by the software giant that >>>> could be less intrusive and problematic than key recovery. The >>>> senator also said he plans to meet with Netscape officials next week >>>> to discuss yet another alternative. >>> >>> This is something we should watch _very_ closely! >> >> I agree. The article seemed to imply that both Microsoft and Netscape >> were falling all over each other trying to come up with gak-like >> alternatives to key recovery. I wonder what Tom Weinstien can tell us >> about that... (He has been a bit quiet lately... Too quiet.) > >When I'm quiet, it's probably because I'm busy. It's certainly not >because I was spirited off to Fort Meade by the black helicopters for >brain washing. > >Let's look at this another way. Given the opportunity to discuss your >views with a senator, whouldn't you take it? Even if there's very >little chance of changing his mind? > >We aren't going to suddenly do an about face and start saying that GAK >is good. Even if anyone here believed that, there's no way that we'd be >able to sell it to our overseas customers. > >-- >What is appropriate for the master is not appropriate| Tom Weinstein >for the novice. You must understand Tao before | tomw(a)netscape.com >transcending structure. -- The Tao of Programming | > > >

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Re: The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts"
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: FYI: NSA Requests Source Code From Elvis+
by Stone Monkey 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <9707071618.AA63188(a)public.uni-hamburg.de> Ulf Mueller writes: >> The National Security Agency has asked Sun Microsystems Inc. and Elvis+, >> the Russian networking company in which Sun has a 10 percent stake, to >> turn over the source code of its SunScreen SKIP E+. > >Why should the US government get access to the source code of foreign >product being imported to the US? To me the announcement implied that the NSA wanted to compare Sun's and Elvis+'s implementations, to verify that they are actually different. To check that Sun didn't simply smuggle the code out and launder it through Elvis+. They're not looking at imports (why would Elvis+'s code be imported? It's already available domestically from Sun), they're looking at Sun's well-publicised end-run around the crypto chilling effect, to see if Sun perhaps cut any corners. But it's more fun to rant about the paranoid thrashings of a government bogeyman than it is to attempt to understand the actions of the NSA, which is not staffed by stupid people.

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Re: Jim Bell reference
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

mctaylor(a)mta.ca commented on the Jim Bell case and Dorothy Denning. Vin McLellan <vin(a)shore.net> forwarded the 'Freeh Speech' Statement of Louis J. Freeh, Director, FBI.... >The looming spectre of the widespread use of robust, virtually uncrackable >encryption is one of the most difficult problems >confronting law enforcement as the next century approaches. At stake are >some of our most valuable and reliable investigative >techniques Baloney. The figures you give later indicate 1000 or 2000 investigations a year meeting computer encryption. Even if they were all unbreakable that's 2000/year in a population of how many ? Dents the clear-up rate by how much ? Makes me think the issue is the preservation of many thousands of _unathorised_ taps. What else could explain that viewpoint? >There have been >numerous cases where law enforcement, through the >use of electronic surveillance, has not only solved and successfully >prosecuted serious crimes and dangerous criminals, but has >also been able to prevent serious and life-threatening criminal acts. For >example, terrorists in New York were plotting to bomb >the United Nations Building, the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, and 26 >Federal Plaza as well as conduct assassinations of >political figures. Court-authorized electronic surveillance enabled the FBI >to disrupt the plot as explosives were being mixed. Over here video cameras in public places seem to hit the jackpot quite often in this area. >another example, electronic surveillance was used to >prevent and then convict two men who intended to kidnap, molest and then >kill a male child. Witnesses are better, they can catch the lone molester who has no communications. We had a well-publicised case a couple of years ago where a man was caught with a kidnapped girl in his van shortly after a gardener happened to see the girl's feet beneath the van at the instant she was lifted off the ground. Incidentally, I'm against terrorism, child molestation etc etc. I'm confident most other cypherpunks are too, so no nonsense please about free crypto supporters being backers of [crime of the month]. > Convicted spy Aldrich Ames was told by the Russian intelligence > service to encrypt computer file information that was > to be passed to them. But he was convicted anyway ? So crypto was not a problem to LE ? > An international terrorist was plotting to blow up 11 U.S.-owned > commercial airliners in the far east. His laptop > computer which was seized during his arrest in Manilla contained > encrypted files concerning this terrorist plot. Also not a problem if the files were found to concern the plot. > A subject in a child pornography case used encryption in > transmitting obscene and pornographic images of children > over the Internet. As above. > A major international drug trafficking subject recently used a > telephone encryption device to frustrate court-approved > electronic surveillance. If life were that easy you'd have your budget cut, and deserve it. >Over the last three (3) years, the FBI has also seen the number of computer >related cases utilizing encryption and/or password >protection increase from 20 or two (2) percent of the cases involving >electronically stored information to 140 or seven (7) >percent. These included the use of 56 bit data encryption standard (DES) >and 128 bit "pretty good privacy" (PGP) encryption. >Just as when this committee so boldly addressed digital telephony, the >government and the nation are again at an historic >crossroad on this issue. ...are again at a sharp disagreement ? Now over to M. C. Taylor >The one major difference in Dr. Denning's point of view is that she has a >large degree of trust in LEA. Period. That is the difference >between Dr. Denning and the average cypherpunk. Here in the UK you just have to say 'West Midlands Serious Crime Squad' (now disbanded) to blow away the idea that the police evidence is always genuine. Even today a senior policeman is reported in newspapers as saying his force employs dishonest people who would not be employed by a supermarket, and that he regrets needing such a high standard of evidence to fire them. When you think how easily alleged communications can be faked in contrast to physical evidence (such as a bloody glove, say) I'm uncomfortable that electronic evidence is even admissible. >The evidence is weak, in an article from May of this year, Denning quotes >500 cases world-wide, but neglects to follow-up with which of these cases >were solved regardless; due to other evidence or because the suspect was >using crummy crypto. > >Denning doesn't seem too concern with lawless government access, access >beyond the scope, government tampering or forgery of information which are >possible with poor key escrow technologies. Very good points. -- ############################################################### # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ###############################################################

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Re: Potential terrorists
by Mixmaster 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Phillip M. Hallam-Baker" <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> wrote: > The Blair administration has a massive legislative program ahead of it > undoing 18 years of Tory mismanagement and corruption. Hmm, let's see: increased taxes, increased interest rates, banning all handguns, the current hunting ban boondoggle, British Airways on strike... somehow I think that 'New Labour' are doing pretty well at instigating their own program of mismanagement. Of course, a government which made banning handguns one of it's first priorities and banning hunting one of the second is hardly likely to be a government which will look gladly on the unrestricted use of cryptography. I won't mention the 'Prevention of Terrorism' act.

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remailer@rcmp-grc.gc.ca ??
by John Deters 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A bigger quote from the RCMP's Technological Crime Bulletin, located at: http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/html/tcb3-3b.htm [begin quote] There are many anonymous re-mailers in operation across the Internet. To use one of these services, a person must send an e-mail message to the re-mailer, who will, in turn, send a return message which will include a user ID for this anonymous service. You can now send a message to any e-mail address via this server and receive responses without divulging your true identity. Particularly privacy-conscious individuals have been known to loop their e-mail through two or more anonymous re-mailers to hide their tracks completely. Couple this with data encryption, and you have an exceptionally secure e-mail system. However, re-mailers may not be as secure as once thought. For example, the person who runs the re-mailer has the capability to discover who you are and to read and record all messages sent. The Internet re-mailer could be a government sting operation or a criminal enterprise designed to entrap people. Hackers can break into the re-mailer and read all of the e-mail traffic. Law enforcement must be aware of the existence of anonymous re-mailers, as they provide a cheap, efficient, and secret way of communication for criminal groups. Although there are few documented cases of this form of communication among criminal organizations, there is no doubt that the potential is present. But the news to law enforcement may not be all bad. It may be possible for law enforcement to use anonymous re-mailers as part of an ongoing operational plan. For example, investigators could also loop their e-mail messages through re-mailers to disguise their identity. This could have excellent application in all types of undercover investigations. [End quote] This quote, while not the entire page, shows that LEOs are not quite as clueless as they have been in the past. In particular, the author seems to have a functional grasp of remailers, even though he describes a penet-style remailer. He recognises the inherent dangers of trusting a remailer, and even the value of setting up a remailer for use in a sting operation! My favourite part is the last quoted paragraph, where he suggests that what's good for the goose is also good for the gander. Better check Raph's list again for the existance of remailer(a)rcmp-grc.gc.ca NotAMongerAtAll

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Re: Jim Bell reference
by Antonomasia 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

mctaylor(a)mta.ca commented on the Jim Bell case and Dorothy Denning. Vin McLellan <vin(a)shore.net> forwarded the 'Freeh Speech' Statement of Louis J. Freeh, Director, FBI.... >The looming spectre of the widespread use of robust, virtually uncrackable >encryption is one of the most difficult problems >confronting law enforcement as the next century approaches. At stake are >some of our most valuable and reliable investigative >techniques Baloney. The figures you give later indicate 1000 or 2000 investigations a year meeting computer encryption. Even if they were all unbreakable that's 2000/year in a population of how many ? Dents the clear-up rate by how much ? Makes me think the issue is the preservation of many thousands of _unathorised_ taps. What else could explain that viewpoint? >There have been >numerous cases where law enforcement, through the >use of electronic surveillance, has not only solved and successfully >prosecuted serious crimes and dangerous criminals, but has >also been able to prevent serious and life-threatening criminal acts. For >example, terrorists in New York were plotting to bomb >the United Nations Building, the Lincoln and Holland Tunnels, and 26 >Federal Plaza as well as conduct assassinations of >political figures. Court-authorized electronic surveillance enabled the FBI >to disrupt the plot as explosives were being mixed. Over here video cameras in public places seem to hit the jackpot quite often in this area. >another example, electronic surveillance was used to >prevent and then convict two men who intended to kidnap, molest and then >kill a male child. Witnesses are better, they can catch the lone molester who has no communications. We had a well-publicised case a couple of years ago where a man was caught with a kidnapped girl in his van shortly after a gardener happened to see the girl's feet beneath the van at the instant she was lifted off the ground. Incidentally, I'm against terrorism, child molestation etc etc. I'm confident most other cypherpunks are too, so no nonsense please about free crypto supporters being backers of [crime of the month]. > Convicted spy Aldrich Ames was told by the Russian intelligence > service to encrypt computer file information that was > to be passed to them. But he was convicted anyway ? So crypto was not a problem to LE ? > An international terrorist was plotting to blow up 11 U.S.-owned > commercial airliners in the far east. His laptop > computer which was seized during his arrest in Manilla contained > encrypted files concerning this terrorist plot. Also not a problem if the files were found to concern the plot. > A subject in a child pornography case used encryption in > transmitting obscene and pornographic images of children > over the Internet. As above. > A major international drug trafficking subject recently used a > telephone encryption device to frustrate court-approved > electronic surveillance. If life were that easy you'd have your budget cut, and deserve it. >Over the last three (3) years, the FBI has also seen the number of computer >related cases utilizing encryption and/or password >protection increase from 20 or two (2) percent of the cases involving >electronically stored information to 140 or seven (7) >percent. These included the use of 56 bit data encryption standard (DES) >and 128 bit "pretty good privacy" (PGP) encryption. >Just as when this committee so boldly addressed digital telephony, the >government and the nation are again at an historic >crossroad on this issue. ...are again at a sharp disagreement ? Now over to M. C. Taylor >The one major difference in Dr. Denning's point of view is that she has a >large degree of trust in LEA. Period. That is the difference >between Dr. Denning and the average cypherpunk. Here in the UK you just have to say 'West Midlands Serious Crime Squad' (now disbanded) to blow away the idea that the police evidence is always genuine. Even today a senior policeman is reported in newspapers as saying his force employs dishonest people who would not be employed by a supermarket, and that he regrets needing such a high standard of evidence to fire them. When you think how easily alleged communications can be faked in contrast to physical evidence (such as a bloody glove, say) I'm uncomfortable that electronic evidence is even admissible. >The evidence is weak, in an article from May of this year, Denning quotes >500 cases world-wide, but neglects to follow-up with which of these cases >were solved regardless; due to other evidence or because the suspect was >using crummy crypto. > >Denning doesn't seem too concern with lawless government access, access >beyond the scope, government tampering or forgery of information which are >possible with poor key escrow technologies. Very good points. -- ############################################################### # Antonomasia ant(a)notatla.demon.co.uk # # See http://www.notatla.demon.co.uk/ # ###############################################################

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Re: Airlines to start profiling, bag matching
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duncan Frissell wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP FORGED MESSAGE----- > At 08:41 PM 7/10/97 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote: > > >"Is this Nazi land so good? Would you leave it if you could?" - from the > >missing part of the Clinton inaguration speech > > Or how about the Clash's "I'm Sick and Tired of the USA" Or, as I was saying to Lucky Green the other day, "Do you feel _punk_, Lucky? Well...do you?" BadPunMonger

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From Hatch's testimony
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: fma66.fma.com: majordomo set sender to owner-espam(a)lists.espace.net using -f X-Orig-From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> X-e$pam-source: Various X-Sender: rah(a)atanda.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 16:50:55 -0400 To: espam(a)intertrader.com, e$pam <e$pam(a)atanda.com> From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: From Hatch's testimony X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by daleth.atanda.com id OAA23282 Sender: owner-espam(a)lists.espace.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail is brought to you by the e$pam mailing list --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Reply-To: rah(a)shipwright.com Organization: The Shipwright Development Corporation MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rah(a)shipwright.com Subject: From Hatch's testimony http://washingtonpost.com:80/wp-srv/WPlate/1997-07/10/015L-071097-idx.htm l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="015L-071097-idx.htm l" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="015L-071097-idx.html" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lbo.leftbank.com i d QAA04134 [Image] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Image] [Image] Talk Central Section: discuss hot topics of the day online. All Editorials and Op-Ed columns from this morning's Washington Post. All editorials and commentary from Sunday's Washington Post Outlook section. [Image] ------------------------------------------------ For the Record Thursday, July 10, 1997; Page A18 The Washington Post From testimony by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) yesterday before the Senate Judiciary Committee: Although encryption has historically been a technology reserved for national security and military applications, the explosive growth of both electronic communications and stored data has enhanced the need to develop means to protect business, governmental and individual communications and information from improper access and use. A direct deterrent to economic espionage, consumer or commercial theft or fraud, or improper eavesdropping of private information or communications is the encryption of such information. By employing mathematical algorithms [that] convert electronic information into meaningless text, encryption prevents anyone other than a keyholder -- who has the algorithm necessary to unscramble or decrypt this information -- from gaining access to the information. The importance of meaningful legislation in this area cannot be understated. Consider for instance that consumer confidence in a secure network is deemed essential to the development of such things as on-line commerce, which is projected to grow from last year's $500 million to as much as $12 billion by the year 2000. The difficulty in evaluating a meaningful encryption policy is that, while its employment does protect the privacy of legitimate business and personal interests, it can also be used . . . by criminals to hide their communications and operations. . . . Today, Americans . . . enjoy the ability to use, and industry is free to market, commercial encryption of any strength domestically without restriction. The focus of congressional debate is the export and dissemination of U.S. encryption products abroad and the development of key recovery features that allow law enforcement access to encrypted communications under appropriate circumstances. © Copyright 1997 The Washington Post Company Back to the top ------------------------------------------------------------------------- [WashingtonPost.com] [I[Image] [Navigation image map] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------- Like e$? Help pay for it! See <http://www.shipwright.com/beg.html> Or, for e$/e$pam sponsorship, <mailto:rah@shipwright.com> --------------------------------------------------------------------- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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17 Dec '03

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Re: From Hatch's testimony
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: > Thursday, July 10, 1997; Page A18 > The Washington Post > From testimony by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) > yesterday before the Senate Judiciary > Committee: > Today, Americans . . . enjoy the ability to > use, and industry is free to market, commercial > encryption of any strength domestically without > restriction. Try to think of laws as outlining what we are no longer free to do. Then go to a courthouse library and look at the mountains of books which contain a list of the freedoms that have been taken away from us. Who the fuck do the people who pass these laws think they are? I wish I had a nickle for every local city councilman who got a hard-on the first time he got to vote on a bylaw that empowered him and his pals and fucked everyone else. Then, once he's convinced himself that this -->| |<-- is 12", he decides that it is his duty to run for Congress and share his "greatness" with the whole country. I try to pay my parking tickets more than 500' from a schoolyard and sell my drugs before the date I'm due to appear in court, but I keep getting in trouble because I just can't keep up with all of the intricate details involved in being a law-abiding citizen. What happened to the "good old days" when all you had to do was stay out of stone-throwing range of the "righteous" in order to live according to your own dictates? Today, the "righteous" feel that they have the right to come in your home whenever they want, demand the wrong to read all of your correspondence, tell you what you can put on your website, limit what thoughts you can express and how you do so. And it never ends. If you want to build a dog-house you have to deal with an army of people who are upholding the "righteousness" of city permits, union rules, ecology regulations, tax laws, and a multitude of similar bullshit. And if you happen to forget to cross a 't' or dot an 'i', then you find you are in violation of a new law which is classified as an "inconsequential felony." Def. 'inconsequential felony' -- A legal term which refers to a harmless action which is nonetheless subject to the severest of punishments because someone in authority got a wild-hair up their ass for some silly reason and deemed it should be so. I met a man in Texas who spent twenty years in prison for the possession of a few stems and seeds. He thought it ironic that the state had imprisoned him for twenty years to try to prevent him from doing something that someone else thought would ruin his life. He told me that at his sentencing, his mother told him, "I told you smoking dope would ruin your life." She got upset when he was "unrepentant" enough to reply, "No. I think the judge did that." The problem is not that the citizens are "sinners" but that Hatch and his ilk are "righteous." When the "righteous" take it on themselves to speak for a "higher power," whether it be "God" or "National Security," then they begin justifying even the most horrendous of actions as "just following orders." Thus, it's not really going to matter whether you are using crypto to encrypt children's pictures or a new version of the Bible. Coming new laws will make you a criminal either way, because the "righteous" feel that it is up to them to decide if the children's pictures are pornographic or if the new version of the Bible is sacreligious. Government has merely usurped religion as the final authority on who is "righteous" and who is a "sinner," on what is "good" and what is "bad." They are priests with nuclear weapons to back them up in enforcement of their "commandments." The end result is that we have to fear getting nuked if we build the fence around our house more than 5' high, so that the ever- vigilant "righteous" don't hurt themselves when peeking over our fence to see if we've built an illegal doghouse. And we have to fear getting nuked if we want to electronically "whisper" when the "righteous" are trying to spy on the "sinners." Same shit, different religion. TruthMonger

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Solution to McKain's worries
by geeman＠best.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The alternative solution might go something like this (also known as the Mother of Clipper): 1. Outlaw use of any crypto not authorized and provided by an Official Source, which is to be provided in the form of hardware on the CPU/Motherboard (or equivalent, depending on the computing/communications device) 2. When you wish to send an encrypted communication or store encrypted data, the Official Crypto Device from the Official Source first must obtain a Secrecy Credential from a Central Repository, to which you have applied for some strength crypto. The Credential gives you certain secrecy privileges ... as long as you're being a good citizen. The Credential enables the crypto on your official device: the device will not function without communicating with the Central Repository and obtaining today's Credential. 3. When LEA wants to tap you, it sends a control message to the Central Repository which modifies your Secrecy Credential, dumbing you down to, say, 40bits. They could even provide the entire session key (or other secret as required by protocols.) As long as this state is in effect, your "encrypted" communications and storage are readable by the LEA. Now: consider the profits to be made by the Central Repository, which is responsible for maintaining your Credential. Each Credential use could be charged a transaction fee, as well as the annual licensing. The crypto device provider has a locked-in market for its silicon, as it must go on all the motherboards and into the CPU's. The big-system manufacturers responsible for the servers and communications required to manage the communications between the crypto and repository make out real well too. It sounds like a perfect fit for Microsoft, Intel, together with HP-s ICF!!

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Re: The Recent Trend in "Collective Contracts"
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reputation Monger wrote: > An anonymous message dated: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:46:32 +0200 (MET DST), > and signed with the initials KC, wrote: > >In any case... > Damn. Kent's figured out anonymous remailers. I read this message > because it came from anonymous--Kent's in my killfile. > > Know what this means? > Anonymous remailers have more reputation capital than Kent. Excerpt From: Welcome to the Cypherpunks Mailing List (TcM) ------------------------ Your initial post to the list has been digitally classified by the Cypherpunks Automated Response system in order to determine the initial level of reputation capital you will be awarded as a new member of the Cypherpunks Mailing List (TcM). ... At Reputation Capital levels below -1, you may be subjected to shame, humiliation and filtering to the point where the only hope for your posts being read is for you to post to the list anonymously, as a "Monger" of one sort or another. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- *** "Cypherpunks Mailing List" is a (Trade{cocksucker}Mark) of the Electronic Forgery Foundation, and any abuse of this (TcM) will be considered normal behavior on this list. *** Kent has obviously read "The Tao of Remailers," which explains the concept of turning the CypherPunks tools against them as weapons. One has to wonder if Louis Freeh has read the book as well and is sitting at home sending threatening letters to the President via a variety of remailers. I wonder if it is feasible to design a remailer which sends out anonymous email which is rated (Anonymous +7 / Anonymous -4) on the basis of reputation capital? Slightly Anonymous

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Ashcroft Encryption Editorial
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Authentication-Warning: fma66.fma.com: majordomo set sender to owner-espam(a)lists.espace.net using -f X-Orig-From: Bill GL Stafford <springco(a)arn.net> X-e$pam-source: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu X-Sender: rah(a)atanda.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 08:58:20 -0400 To: espam(a)intertrader.com, e$pam <e$pam(a)atanda.com> From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Subject: Encription: editoral by IBD X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by lbo.leftbank.com id JAA03442 Sender: owner-espam(a)lists.espace.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- This mail is brought to you by the e$pam mailing list --------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill GL Stafford <springco(a)arn.net> Organization: Spring Management Company MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu" <dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu> Subject: Encription: editoral by IBD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Bill GL Stafford <springco(a)arn.net> I believe these guys are on our side. Bill GL Stafford <http://www.investors.com/web_edition/today/viewfrontpage.html>http://www ..invest ors.com/web_edition/today/viewfrontpage.html Encryption: Keep Feds' Nose Out Of The Net ASHCROFT J. Date: 7/11/97 Edgar Hoover would have loved this. The Clinton administration wants government to be able to read international computer communications - financial transactions, personal e-mail and proprietary information sent abroad - all in the name of national security. In a proposal that raises obvious concerns about Americans' privacy, President Clinton wants to give agencies the keys for decoding all exported U.S. software and Internet communications. Such a policy also would tamper with the competitive advantage that our U.S. software companies currently enjoy in the field of encryption technology. Not only would Big Brother be looming over the shoulders of international cybersurfers, he also threatens to render our state-of-the-art computer software engineers obsolete and unemployed. Granted, the Internet could be used to commit crimes, and advanced encryption could disguise such activity. However, we do not provide the government with phone jacks outside our homes for unlimited wiretaps. Why, then, should we grant government the Orwellian capability to listen at will and in real time to our communications across the Web? The protections of the Fourth Amendment are clear. The right to protection from unlawful searches is an indivisible American value. The president has proposed that American companies and computer users supply the government with decryption keys to high-level encryption programs. Yet European software producers are free to produce computer encryption codes of all levels of security without providing keys to any government authority. Buyers of encryption software value security above all else. They will ultimately choose airtight encryption programs - not those for which the U.S. government maintains keys. In spite of this obvious fact, the president is trying to foist his rigid policy on the exceptionally fluid and fast-paced computer industry. Furthermore, recent developments in decryption technology cast doubt on the wisdom of any government meddling in this industry. Two weeks ago, the 56-bit algorithm government standard encryption code that protects most U.S. electronic financial transactions, from ATM cards to wire transfers, was broken by a low-powered 90-megahertz Pentium processor. In 1977, when this code was first approved by the U.S. government as a standard, it was deemed unbreakable. And for good reason - there are 72 quadrillion different combinations in a 56-bit code. However, with today's technology, these 72 quadrillion different combinations can each be tried -it's only a matter of time and determination. Two days after this encryption code was broken, however, the Senate Commerce Committee voted, in accordance with administration policy, to force American software companies to perpetuate this already compromised 56-bit encryption system. Meanwhile, 128- bit encryption software from European firms is available to every Web user. Interestingly, European firms can import this supersecure encryption technology (originally developed by Americans) to the U.S., but U.S. companies are forbidden by law from exporting these same programs to other countries. So to move forward with the president's policy or the Commerce Committee's bill would be an act of folly, creating a cadre of government peeping Toms and causing severe damage to our vibrant software industries. Government would be caught in a perpetual game of catch-up with whiz-kid code-breakers and industry advances. Majority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., has signaled his objection to both proposals. He and I would like to work to bring to the floor a version of the encryption legislation by Sen. Conrad Burns, R-Mont. Burns' bill closely resembles the popular House encryption bill sponsored by Rep. Bob Goodlatte, R- Va. Both measures would not require sharing of keys with the goverment. In essence, these proposals would give U.S. encryption software manufacturers the freedom to compete on equal footing in the worldwide marketplace. They would set up a quasi-governmental board for the industry to decide encryption bit strength based on the current level of international technology. U.S. companies are on the front line of online technologies - the value- added industries of the future. 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by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 18:45:56 -0500 > From: John Deters <jad(a)dsddhc.com> > Subject: remailer(a)rcmp-grc.gc.ca ?? > There are many anonymous re-mailers in operation across the Internet. That's being just a tad charitable I think. ____________________________________________________________________ | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http:// www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: FCPUNX:Jim Bell 6
by James Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 05:34 PM 7/8/97 +0200, Anonymous wrote: > I mean, get real...Bell is imprisoned without bail with no charges > having been filed against him. One might suppose this is because of his political ideas. In actual fact, in America only those with subversive ideas AND WHO CANNOT AFFORD A LAWYER are imprisoned for long periods without charges or trial.

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