December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Encrypted Horsemen Safe for Kiddies
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Good one, Bob. ----- WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Online pornographers should be required to use encryption, said Rep. Bob Goodlatte, (R, Va.) Tuesday at the Internet Online Summit: Focus on Children conference held here. "That would certainly keep it away from children," said Goodlatte. "I'm not advocating encryption to let pornography flourish." Goodlatte, a champion of loosening encryption legislation, has sponsored legislation to allow the export of encryption products and another bill in the intellectual property arena, as well as another bill increasing liability for those found guilty of running Internet gambling operations. Goodlatte was the afternoon speaker in place of Newt Gingrich, speaker of the House, who couldn't attend. In addition, Attorney General Janet Reno postponed her appearance until Wednesday morning at 10:30. Goodlatte took the opportunity to speak of the Clinton adminstration's policy on encryption. "The Clinton administration's current encryption policies are a severe hinderance on the development of the full potential of the Internet," he said. He also said the House Judiciary Committee will begin a review of the Clinton administration's enforcement of laws on obscenity. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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The FREE info you requested
by ronman＠hotmail.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

HERE is the program YOU have been waiting for! Please print this information so you will read it comfortably. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Read through this program twice, then do the math! --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Friend, My name is Christopher Erickson. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends, and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. I truly believe it was wrong for me to be in debt like this. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share my experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER.... FINANCIALLY!!! In mid-December, I received this program via email. Six months prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for information on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they worked or not. One claimed I'd make a million dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it. But like I was saying, in December of '92 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY- MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further in debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figuredit out, I would at least get my money back. After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT". Initially I sent out 10,000 emails. It only cost me about $15.00 for my time on-line. The great thing about email is that I didn't need any money for printing to send out the program, only the cost to fulfil my orders. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "cheat" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me! In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13th, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. When you read the GUARANTEE in the program, you will see that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By January 30th, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. If you go back to the GUARANTEE, "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 19th, of my emailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money!!!!!! (REPORT #2 explains this.) Always follow the guarantee, 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1, and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS !!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I'm sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and you are in financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Christopher Erickson PS Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S AWESOME! "THREW IT AWAY" "I had received this program before. I threw it away, but later wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get a copy, so I had to wait until I was emailed another copy of the program. Eleven months passed, then it came. I DIDN'T throw this one away. I made $41,000 on the first try." Dawn W., Evansville, IN "NO FREE LUNCH" "My late father always told me, 'remember, Alan, there is no free lunch in life. You get out of life what you put into it.' Through trial and error and a somewhat slow frustrating start, I finally figured it out. The program works very well, I just had to find the right target group of people to email it to. So far this year, I have made over $63,000 using this program. I know my dad would have been very proud of me." Alan B., Philadelphia, PA A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM By the time you have read the enclosed information and looked over the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for ten years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of your money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over FOUR MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending out over 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices which market this and several other programs here in the US and overseas. By the Spring, we wish to market the 'Internet' by a partnership with AMERICA ON LINE. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way.It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting program to everyone that you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on every one of them!. Remember though, the more you send out, the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you decide against this program, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! Definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU $$$$$$ Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we 'll assume you and all those involved send out 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a .5% response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also many people will send out hundred s of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 5% response, that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those .5%, 100 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 200,000. The .5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The .5% response to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 five dollar bills for you. CASH!!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5000 + $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING... AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF ONLY 2,000. Believe me, many people will do that and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and email is FREE!!! REPORT#3 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing and purchasing email lists. THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dream will come true. This multi-level email order marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME. Email is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialised method of advertising NOW!! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using email. Get your piece of this action!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and The Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold throughout Multi-level Methods by the mid to late 1990's. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the US, 20% (100,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. INSTRUCTIONS: This is the GREATEST Multi-level Mail Order Marketing anywhere: STEP #1 Order all four 4 REPORTS listed by NAME AND NUMBER. Do this by ordering one REPORT from each of the four names listed on the next page. (4 REPORTS at US $5 each will be only $20 Total!) For each REPORT, send $5 CASH ( checks take longer to clear the bank.) AND a SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED envelope (BUSINESS SIZE #10) to the person listed for the SPECIFIC REPORT. INTERNATIONAL ORDERS SHOULD ALSO INCLUDE $1 EXTRA FOR POSTAGE. It is essential that you specify the NAME and NUMBER of the report requested to the person you are ordering from, and send CASH as checks take longer to clear the bank. You will need ALL FOUR 4 REPORTS because you will be REPRINTING and RESELLING them. DO NOT alter the names or sequence other than what the instructions say. IMPORTANT: Always provide same-day service on all orders. STEP #2 Replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with yours, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. Drop the name and address under REPORT #2 to REPORT #3, moving the one that was there to REPORT #4. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is dropped from the list and this party is no doubt on the way to the bank. When doing this, make certain you type the names and addresses ACCURATELY! DO NOT MIX UP MOVING PRODUCT/REPORT POSITIONS!!! STEP #3 Having made the required changes in the NAME list, save it as a TEXT (.txt) file in it's own directory to be used with whatever email program you like. Again, REPORT #3 will tell you the best methods of bulk e-mailing and acquiring e-mail lists. STEP #4 E-mail a copy of the ENTIRE program (EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE READ HERE) to everyone whose address you can get your hands on. Start with friends and relatives first since it is easiest to convince them to take advantage of this fabulous & profitable opportunity. That's what I did. And they love me now, more than ever. Then, e-mail to anyone and everyone! Use your imagination! You can get e-mail addresses from companies on the internet who specialize in email mailing lists. These are very cheap, 100,000 addresses for around $35.00. IMPORTANT: You won't get a good response if you use an old list, so always request a NEW list. You will find out where to purchase these lists when you order the 4 REPORTS. ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!!! ABOUT THE FOUR REPORTS: You already know that each costing $5. They not only serve as a means to work this program, but also contain worthwhile information. Some people use these reports to help them with this program, or to start a completely new program of a similar structure. The reports explain how this structure works, and why. The reports also show how MLM is used by major corporations, and how to obtain e-mailing lists, and how advertise by ways such as bulk e-mailing. REQUIRED REPORTS TO BE ORDERED ARE LISTED BELOW ***Order each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** ALWAYS SEND A SELF-ADDRESSED, STAMPED ENVELOPE AND $5 CASH ( checks take longer to clear the bank) FOR EACH ORDER REQUESTING THE SPECIFIC REPORT BY its *NAME* AND *NUMBER* _____________________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: Ron Rothstein P.O. Box 3011 Farmingdale, NY 11735 _____________________________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTI-LEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: M. Myre 324 Claude Lachenaie, QC J6W 5Y6 Canada _____________________________________________________________________ REPORT#3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" LIU Qi Box 34-451, Yu-Qiao-Bei-Li Yu-Qiao Post Office Tong-Xian, Beijing 101101 PR CHINA ____________________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTI-LEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Jerry H. P.O. Box 2 Atwood, CA 92811-0002 USA =FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF CONCLUSION I am enjoying my fortune that I made by sending out this program. You too, will be making money in 20 to 90 days, if you follow the SIMPLE STEPS outlined in this mailing. To be financially independent is to be FREE. Free to make financial decisions as never before. Go into business, get into investments, retire or take a vacation. No longer will a lack of money hold you back. However, very few people reach financial independence, because when opportunity knocks, they choose to ignore it. It is much easier to say "NO" than "YES", and this is the question that you must answer. Will YOU ignore this amazing opportunity or will you take advantage of it? If you do nothing, you have indeed missed something and nothing will change. Please re-read this material, this is a special opportunity. If you have any questions, please feel free to write to the sender of this information. You will get a prompt and informative reply. My method is simple. I sell thousands of people a product for $5 that costs me pennies to produce and email. I should also point out that this program is legal and everyone who participates WILL make money. THIS IS NOT A CHAIN LETTER OR PYRAMID SCHEME. At times you have probably received chain letters, asking you to send money, on faith, but getting NOTHING in return, NO product what-so-ever! Not only are chain letters illegal, but the risk of someone breaking the chain makes them quite unattractive. You are offering a legitimate product to people. After they purchase the product from you, they reproduce more and resell them. It's simple free enterprise. As you learned from the enclosed material, the PRODUCT is a series of four FINANCIAL AND BUSINESS REPORTS. The information contained in these REPORTS will not only help you in making your participation in this program more rewarding, but will be useful to you in any other business decisions you make in the years ahead. You are also buying the rights to reprint all of the REPORTS, which will be ordered from you by those to whom you mail this program. The concise one and two page REPORTS you will be buying can easily be reproduced at a local copy center for a cost off about 3 cents a copy. Best wishes with the program and Good Luck! "IT WAS TRULY AMAZING" "Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this program. But conservative as I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was no way that I could not get enough orders to at least get my money back. BOY, was I ever surprised when I found my medium sized post office box crammed with orders! I will make more money this year than any ten years of my life before." Mary Riceland, Lansing, MI TIPS FOR SUCCESS Send for your four 4 REPORTS immediately so you will have them when the orders start coming in. When you receive a $5 order, YOU MUST send out the product/service to comply with US Postal and Lottery laws. Title 18 Sections 1302 and 1341 specifically state that: "A PRODUCT OR SERVICE MUST BE EXCHANGED FOR MONEY RECEIVED." WHILE YOU WAIT FOR THE REPORTS TO ARRIVE: 1. Name your new company. You can use your own name if you desire. 2. Get a post office box (preferred, as there may come dozens or hundred of such $5 cash letters every day, you'd better to set private PO box to keep your money-in safety and convenient.) 3. Edit the names and addresses on the program. You must remember, replace the name and address next to REPORT #1 with YOURS and move the others down one, with the fourth one being BUMPED OFF the list. 4. Obtain as many e-mail addresses as possible to send until you receive the information on mailing list companies in REPORT #3. 5. Decide on the number of programs you intend to send out. The more you send, and the quicker you send them, the more money you will make. 6. After mailing the programs, get ready to fill the orders. 7. COPY the 4 REPORTS so you are able to sent them out as soon as you receive an order. IMPORTANT: ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ORDERS YOU RECEIVE! 8. Make certain the letter and reports are neat and legible. GUARANTEE The check point which GUARANTEES your success is simply this: you must receive 15 to 20 orders for REPORT #1. This is a must!!! If you don't within two weeks, email out more programs until you do. Then a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2, if you don't, send out more programs until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, (take a deep breath) you can sit back and relax, because YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE AT LEAST $50,000. Mathematically it is a proven guarantee. Of those who have participated in the program and reached the above GUARANTEES -ALL have reached their $50,000 goal. Also, remember, every time your name is moved down the list you are in front of a different REPORT, so you can keep track of your program by knowing what people are ordering from you. IT'S THAT EASY. REALLY, IT IS!!! REMEMBER: "HE WHO DARES NOTHING, NEED NOT HOPE FOR ANYTHING." "INVEST A LITTLE TIME, ENERGY AND MONEY NOW OR SEARCH FOR IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE." BEST WISHES! --------------------------------------------------------------------- HELP FILE --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Friends, I have taken the liberty to put together a help file for all of the people who purchase a report from me. This file may be distributed to all of your customers at no charge to you. This letter gives you the rights to give this file to everyone who purchases a report from you, so long as *this* file is distributed to them at no additional charge. INTERNET ADVERTISING FOR FREE Most of you will want to sell as many reports as possible, without having to purchase large bulk-e-mailings and expensive classified ads on the Internet. The three most effective methods to do this for free are: Web Pages with your current Internet Provider, Postings on Newsgroups, and Free Classified Ad areas on the World Wide Web. ---Post directly to potential downlines--- There are many ways you can build a downline, but the best is to start surfing the Classified ads on the Internet. Look for people that are doing business on the Internet selling products, such as craft items, how to bo oks, pagers, phone cards or anything where they are trying to sell a line of products. People who are in Network Marketing or MLM are also good prospects. The free classified ads are the best. Stay away from people how are trying to sell one item like their car, a boat or their house these are people how are not interested in a business proposition, they are there to make one sale and one sale only. At the bottom of these ads there is a place to send an e-mail message to the author of the ad, click on it and fill out the name field, and the field where you can put your e-mail address. Then leave what ever is in the subject field there, this way it shows you are sending them a message from their ad and not just picking them out of thin air. Then go on to the part where you can leave a message and put. I often respond to classified ads with below message: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Dear Business Minded Friend, Thank You for your posting. Please accept my invitation to examine another exceptional business opportunity -- Try what ' $20+Internet ' can bring you! :) Not a get-rich-quick plan. If you are willing to spend $20 and some free time with your computer to e-mail and advertise to people, then you are welcome to join us. How much money you make is determined by your efforts. A serious participant could expect to earn around $50,000. Send Your Request for FREE Information to: PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGY IF YOU RECEIVE THIS INFORMATION MORE THAN ONE TIME, AS IT RESULTED FROM YOUR POSTS IN MORE THAN ONE PLACE. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The direct approach works best and quickest! HIGHLY RECOMMENDED !!! But! As you may have noticed, this way often incurs complain or attack from people without entrepreneurship. Advertising is always annoying to some people, but, there is always some other people just need the information advertised! This is why advertising industry is growing and growing... So you are advised to take a little more step to set two e-mail addresses, the one permanent ( along with the postal address ), and the initial one may become invalid at any time. At the next time you cover a new group of postings, you may need to generate a new e-mail address for those interested people to send info request. Anyway, there are lots of free e-mail services on the Net. If no secure permanent e-mail address available, you should suggest your downlines to use snail-mail to contact you. Actually, as the two files contain detailed information, your downlines have little necessity to contact you other than purchase one of the four business reports. ---Postings on Newsgroups--- Posting on newsgroups can be quite beneficial, but can also be the source of a great deal of junk mail, sent to you by merciless bulk mailers who don't know how to appropriately send bulk-mailings. These people often use software specially designed to rip your email address off of your post ings on a Newsgroup and place it in a large bulk emailing file. These files are often resold to countless companies who will start using this file to email all sorts of junk to you. The latest email I received from such a person, was a letter trying to get me to buy a machine that would generate a chemical you could rub onto you skin and it would cure a whole plethora of illnesses, among such outrageous claims, this chemical would cure the common cold, acne, asthma, AIDS, cancer, etc.. the list went on. Not only am I certain that this chemical is illegal (it claimed to cure you by destroying viruses and illness "by suffocation"), but sounded quite lethal. While this type of email might be good for a laugh (to see how naive people try to take you for), when you start receiving hundreds of them every week, it is annoying, and frustrating. Before I tell you which Newsgroups are good to post this opportunity on, I will tell you how you can trick these bulk e-mailers' software package into sending themselves an "undeleiverable mail" message. When you place a posting on a usenet group, try not to type your actual email address anywhere in your posting. You can type such things as "In an effort to reduce junk email I have placed a % sign where @ should be, please replace the % sign for an @ sign when replying to this email address" So your email address (if it was john(a)doe.com) would appear after this message as john%doe.com. This can help reduce your junk mail significantly, and rest assured, you will get junk mail from these unscrupulous e-mailers. Now that you are armed with this you are ready to place your postings. If some junk email doesn't bother you, you can just skip the above step (like I usually do. It is far too easy to just hit DELETE to get rid of unsolicited email). Still, there are some people who will flame you. There is no getting around that. A workplace hazard I suppose :) Good Newsgroups to place your ad for this opportunity. (I have had goodresponses from every one of the following groups): alt.business alt.business.accountability alt.business.import-export.computer alt.business.misc alt.business.multi-level alt.consumers.free-stuff alt.business.internet.commerce alt.make.money.fast alt.misc alt.alt alt.misc.jobs.offered alt.misc.misc alt.business.home.pc There are hundreds of others, but the idea here is to try and focus your postings to attract those people most likely to be interested in this opportunity. If you begin posting this opportunity in such outrageously unrelated places such as alt.lucid.dreams, you are likely to get flame email. So try to stay within the realm of business and "misc." groups.alt.business. home.pc is a HOT place to post this ad, I have had over 20 replies from this group within the last two days when I posted my ad. What should your posting consist of? I tend to not like posting the whole program on the newsgroups. I suppose you could do that, I suggest against it. It is far better to obtain a person's email address after they write you to request the program. That way you will be able to stay in touch with the person, and also gauge how successful a particular posting is before the snail-mail for orders starts to come in. You will then also be able to tell which postings are generating a good response, which are not generating responses and which places are really HOT. I typically write the following: --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUBJECT: MAKE 1997 *YOUR* YEAR. or: SUBJECT: INVEST IN YOURSELF THIS YEAR. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Posting: ----------- Why work for someone else when you can be working for yourself, making a very substantial income? If I offered to show you a program in which you could turn a $20 investment into thousands of dollars, would you be interested? Would you be interested if I offered you information on this program for FREE? Here's a look at the program I want to offer you this year: * Proven track record of success * Guaranteed program to raise capital fast (in about 90 days) * Quickly establish a "snowball growth" effect * Operate this business from home, office, or store * Completely Legal and "scam-free" under Lottery and Postal laws * No person-person selling * No personal contact with your customers if you don't want to * Learn how to harness the power of the Internet to your advantage * Obtain financial freedom in a very short period of time * People are scrambling to obtain information on this program (some people get on the Internet to LOOK for this program) * Originator of this program does not receive a dime for your participation * No-one above you "makes all the money" The 90-day clock to financial security is already working

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim Mayo's abysmal grammar, atrocious spelling and feeble responses clearly identify him as a product of the American education system. _ / ' | /><oo><\ Tim Mayo //[ `' ]\\

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Re: Cato forum tomorrow: should money laundering be a crime?
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steve Schear wrote: >This topic, of course, is near the top of many libertarian e-commerce >agendas. Almost every mainstream news article and regulatory report repeats >the littany that Money Laundering, that is the movement of money to disguise >it origin (even if there are no predicate offenses) must remain illegal >because it damages or is a threat to the world banking and financial system >(not just the tax take of governments), but I have yet to see any >explanation of how and why. Anyone care to comment? Might be a bit of a stretch, but I think this is because money today is inherently a liability, that is a debt that someone, somewhere has promised to pay back. Such is the nature of fractional reserve banking and debt-based currencies under which the international financial system functions. Thus if the origin of the money (the indebted party) is obscured, it becomes increasingly difficult to manage the quality of the world's money supply. After all, how can the issuer of the money collect on the debt that ultimately backs it when the issuer has no idea who to collect the debt from? Take away the ability to manage debt effectively and the issuer's money quickly becomes worthless (be it a commercial bank issuing deposit currency as a loan to its customers or a government's central bank issuing cash currency to its citizens based on a debt placed upon future generations of citizens). A money's value is measured by the quality of debt backing it. If the debt is defaulted on (whether through obscurity, Chapter 11, etcetera), the money loses value, which in turn can have negative systemic repercussions throughout the world's financial markets. The recent Asian currency devaluations (South Korea in particular) and the accompanying financial woes are a good example of what happens when the debt quality of money devalues. Nerthus - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 mQGiBDR6Du8RBAD/Atm9StFSTuaNTOtM0wH+BsKQcU8sB6kykqiRsCdfeoPdI2cW TifPTIFFJuSRb9JCda6OQcafloXeAN9nbE+GweDQGk9qQ3egsukPXZ1QLaZhx8Y0 bbbs1EKyNMIpPK0JyFycC+ehKbOVNnB+LlcofROS6C2BqxV6jV2bTh4/OwCg/3RA +J+IBZKJ+t8SrkePekrr8VkD+gMrK6wghoYjPJjve4GFNtIclbltnaxPvNblt3Gn TS+AKXRXvRvtqlbh6nkOzJZCGgDl5S4Sl9ugQZm4Dnhv1wJJptw1VaNIvx4vJh5k 0Ehv0QqLyyJLM1qkb+qSm726fj7x2VMUDz1B2J8BZnRSeyX7Owv96l2hbfhsWOSL kTzsA/47BVqGxA5aQhvXSuD6OuvzAsSNZUUL2pnyYmCkX/DrGzG1BDgb9AdUPbql s138nr/yLjBXwbbZnrqVLLBn9mVfqQZL1HB9MgKFaCT8Pi2Q/EpyM5kN/sMkA/c/ nmk6JVHvPyCdLwJLA0r5iKHyPbZyPbc6C1FfXD9V92O3dhvCw7QjTmVydGh1cyA8 Y3lwaGVycHVua3NAY3liZXJwYXNzLm5ldD6JAEsEEBECAAsFAjR6Du8ECwMBAgAK CRAWtXd85uJ6jrcdAJ0bB92r7CriqXzXAmPC5ldE0VftWACgoiV33M0m6V3L0OsV CFPIMuVS3oaJARUDBRA0eg8e4VbBl7TmNwkBAQXECACjSwCnkSP9Dv06s0HMLvT9 DwjXryxvx+oMgO6CjHe5eHmLpyNDMTuhnZYByr/DU9iWAEvAYJncAl7/o7e8OcU/ vrzU2hAcjS9yaKN/Q1ltZAhg01hLhadlxvclaxuHVZ/TaO+ci5Ew1d7wzMPBWUyE jBDHVN4902pTBaPpGqBV3yGYg5I403L9+bB8qD1Od8ALr83ha/mF6MRYV4m0Qar+ GHs6wwH3Zi+gAQMUVkC1rvJKoGicHBL7Ky+NmdydCTi4IBpiIalsdOVAF6aNkRI6 q41hmNYevzmjsk4KWQdCi+FWKj1f+soxyGPK4/lkQk17EWpdYR63+GpU88ecmrBy uQENBDR6Dv0QBADYL1ossXAnUFX3NgVrEg4BvRr8wyhrRrddBKI9XE8vLNdHoci1 7Xtor82Fr3kyBTx/6jW2HIkuFe1PPaJqjoXfxMQc/e5xbG3Sc65VgxUqY369rc0X yPWXnkDgGaeLJfMP6YEFWqOwyGGSkySKaiQrZXJdPnudjAhB4Aq4W/ZC4QACAgP/ UmOxIbdm014V8jSZHDpMCvHX69xMcKxk6pofza4fM+NN6wZLrUA9+us6JKMxq3j/ tSBX4M/VwhmtXdn27lbrR4blwQM/u0jGgqk3qAwEXiv2TweYCpWtfuEjbmv9LKpC um/6Sh/KhlNGoyxm6eEOTG3hSH6rKiCTACbtuotDQhKJAD8DBRg0eg79FrV3fObi eo4RAqt/AJ9qf0ixg3olUg2kYJEbmHMVzx+6EwCcC91whsrTD2nsNdCUkzhc333R Aoo= =aekz - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNIiUkxa1d3zm4nqOEQLaYQCcDRU9qkloaPTshE3coevIIdDxlXQAnjVx fcCqzFIilN8K6KLj346uJkCP =0xDo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: A Medal -- Or A Prison Cell?
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 1:00 PM -0700 12/6/97, Brian B. Riley wrote: > Larry Gates, a 54-year-old ex-Marine, operates a convenience store in > rural Iconium, Missouri. He's also a volunteer fireman. Last Christmas > Eve he was listening to a licensed fire department radio when he heard > a report that police were chasing two suspected murderers. Police had > lost track of the suspects. From his knowledge of the area, Gates was > aware that the car would pass directly in front of his store. > Gates grabbed a shotgun and sidearm, and along with his three adult > sons pulled two vehicles into the intersection, blocking it. Both > vehicles had fire emergency lights flashing. > > A few seconds later the suspects' car approached the roadblock. Gates' > son Carey motioned for the car to stop. Instead, the car suddenly > accelerated directly at Carey. Gates fired his shotgun once at the > car. The car swerved away from his sons, went around the roadblock, > and continued down the road. Also, how did Gates and his sons know the car was in fact the suspect's car? I doubt they could read a license plate of an approaching car, if in fact the cops even knew the license plate number and had broadcast it. If it turns out that the Gates family merely set up their own roadblock and tried to stop a car matching the general description (e.g., "a late model white Ford sedan," which might well be the case for a police chase), then they were truly reckless. If I were driving my late model white Ford sedan through the backroads of rural Missouri and some potential rednecks up ahead had their vehicles blocking the road, I'd for damn sure not stop so they could rob and maybe kill me. I'd gun the accelerator and try to get around this roadblock. As they weren't cops and the vehicles weren't police cars, why should a driver be fool enough to stop for some rednecks blocking the road? (If this example is not clear, ask yourself if you would stop your car for some blacks in Miami who blocked the road with their vehicles....) This is precisely why we don't want helpful do-gooders setting up their own road blocks and firing shots at cars that don't stop. --Tim May (P.S. If it turns out the Gates family knew _with certainty_ that the approaching car was in fact exactly the one being chased, and if their vehicles were painted fire engine red (not typical for volunteer fire deparment folks and their private vehicles), then this slightly ameliorates the recklessness of their actions. But I'd be surprised if this is the case. And I know that if some rural yahoos tried to stop me by blocking the road, I'd shoot first and ask questions later, as *I* would be the party actually defending myself against a threat.) The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: A Medal -- Or A Prison Cell? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 17:05:06 -0700 > From: Tim May <tcmay(a)got.net> > Subject: Re: A Medal -- Or A Prison Cell? > Also, how did Gates and his sons know the car was in fact the suspect's car? > > If it turns out that the Gates family merely set up their own roadblock > and tried to stop a car matching the general description (e.g., "a late > model white Ford sedan," which might well be the case for a police chase), > then they were truly reckless. > > As they weren't cops and the vehicles weren't police cars, why should a > driver be fool enough to stop for some rednecks blocking the road? > > (If this example is not clear, ask yourself if you would stop your car for > some blacks in Miami who blocked the road with their vehicles....) > > This is precisely why we don't want helpful do-gooders setting up their own > road blocks and firing shots at cars that don't stop. Since crypto-anarchy & free-market economic anarchy both do away with centralized authorities isn't this sort of behaviour what is *expected* of members of the community under these systems? Doesn't the fact that there is a clear and present danger to both person and community justify these sorts of actions? ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. | | | | John Wayne - Allegheny Uprising | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Anonymous Thread
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Charlie Comsec wrote: >Monty Cantsin wrote: >> Something that I have found irritating about the posts by >> non-persistent identities is that it isn't possible to support a >> meaningful discussion as previous statements can always be >> repudiated, or maybe even weren't made by the particular poster. I >> compared this to sound bites. > >How is that fundamentally different from non-anonymous posts, though? >You can always disavow (or attempt to) a previous post by claiming it >was forged, that someone stole your password, hacked your account, or >posted it when you accidentally left your terminal logged on while >you were at lunch. All true. But, in the case of the anonymous post there has usually been no indication other than writing style and topic that suggests the poster is using the context of previous anonymous posts. There's no particular reason to think the second post has anything to do with the first. This means that the ideas cannot be developed to any great depth or detail. I would prefer to see anonymous posters include the messages which supply context or just give the message IDs. >In addition, there's nothing to stop someone from obtaining multiple e-mail >accounts. So why should ten anonymous posts be an more irritating than >ten posts from hotmail.com, juno.com, etc. accounts? They could be from ten >different people, just one, or any number in between. Actually, it's the context and the complexity of the text that interests me. If ten different people play the role of anonymous in one thread, each accepting the context of the previous posters, there is no reason why that isn't just as interesting as if it were one poster. >> On second thought, however, there is an easy way to solve this. If >> the anonymous poster accepts the context of previous messages, the >> discussion can continue. There's no reason why the person behind the >> virtual thread has to be the same, but the context itself is important >> if we want to have interesting discussions. > >Agreed. It's the ideas that are important, not the identity of the person[a] >expressing them. The only exception I can think of is if the person >expressing the ideas is asking that they be accepted because of some unique >qualification or expertise he claims to possess. And even then it never hurts to think carefully about why they should be trusted, how it is that they know what they claim to know, and if there are any ways to verify their claims. >> So, if you don't want to sign your messages, just acknowledge the >> message ID of the relevant previous messages whose context you wish to >> use. > >Unless that's coupled with a PGP signature, there's nothing to keep one >anonymous person from impersonating another and agreeing to something. >For example, if "A" is debating "B", there's nothing to stop "B" from >posting as "C", claiming to be an anonymous KKK, NAMBLA, etc. member, >then posting again, impersonating "A", and pretending to agree with "C" >(by, as you say, "acknowledging C's message id"). That's okay, though, because you deal with each post on its own merits one at a time. If person "C" says "This posts uses the remarks by the anonymous poster in posts 1, 2, 3,.. as context" then you can say, "You now say X, but before you said Y, and that's a contradiction." That person (or even another person) can come back and say something genuinely interesting like "It seems like a contradiction, but in fact it isn't for such-and-such a reason." In practice the way people have been doing this is just by signing their posts "TruthMonger" or something. But, message IDs give you more control over the accepted context. >Nor is it much better if "A", "B", and "C" are non-anonymous. "B" can open >a throwaway account as "C", and then forge a follow-up from "A". Unless >it's done among a group of people skilled at interpreting headers, it may >well succeed, or at least arouse a lot of F.U.D. about "A". Sabotaging a non-persistent identity through a remailer is effortless. Forging takes a little more effort. But, yes, I would like to see more people signing their messages. It would reduce some problems. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm Subject: Re: Anonymous Thread To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com 25BA1A9F5B9010DD8C752EDE887E9AF3 [Cantsin Protocol No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Mail Your Message to Millions
by KPeters8765＠mailexcite.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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One for the Good Guys
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Well McAffe has reluctantly pulled out of KRAP. http://www.pgp.com/newsroom/na-kra.cgi - From the wording of the press release they still are unwilling to admit the error of their ways but at least they have realized the fallout from being associated with such an orginization. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/pgpmr2.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNIor7o9Co1n+aLhhAQL5lAP+KcogSdFYFLqczIOAiAIaXM0xhPz488VP 9/M2i3JrYq4kxg2gl4TKCIineHewGzKuEutA4xhiP5ITIlRIQ3HWPldURpi1j8RR Qil7AczrynhAvR3SY4/kyWxkLtczLlD+DedXciamAxmvD0jp0QSkez5RqzuEVCMg nJgWK1RzXmY= =MjpK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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16 Million! Just Released!
by rapnet＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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New key
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some readers have suggested that my El Gamal key values were not chosen correctly. My previous key used a random large prime, but Schneier suggests choosing one with a guaranteed large prime factor ("Applied Cryptography", section 11.6). To correct that I offer a new El Gamal key which I will use for signing: p: F64257B7087F081772A2BAD6A942F305E8F95311394FB6F16EB94B3820DA01A756A314E98F4055F3D007C6CB43A994ADF74C648649F80C83BD65E917D4A1D350F8F5595FDC76524F3D3D8DDBCE99E1579259CDFDB8AE744FC5FC76BC83C5473061CE7CC966FF15F9BBFD915EC701AAD35B9E8DA0A5723AD41AF0BF4600582BE5F488FD584E49DBCD20B49DE49107366B336C380D451D0F7C88B31C7C5B2D8EF6F3C923C043F0A55B188D8EBB558CB85D38D334FD7C175743A31D186CDE33212CB52AFF3CE1B1294018118D7C84A70A72D686C40319C807297ACA950CD9969FABD00A509B0246D3083D66A45D419F9C7CBD894B221926BAABA25EC355E9320B3B g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y: 864E4504E5DDFE2E9E96997526D020897FC24316FF9345AEF8F18AC9132DE0CED2D60D6A262BA143F68FABABBE3770CBC095D04DFDB56C93CE90F6D603D3E6B485FFE7654F600E55709352E691643D9C70AC1FFCDD8A8F6CDD0699563A260B0846C9ED756D6FFD81AB6CA4CEADA966CE19AF128D2B99771C3F1D48A72D69622A119081FD9E970CE1AF12CBAA27C565F7C2E3477EFC477CF884DC56A0753643C34DEA4A77ECC3B576DB2B167691D698422DF633D6F148E73E4AA0A573B2D61304E749157EAA563E3839E14459CE6E2BA1C193FD9B02010E91449C84EA47C842F6EE9B1040B713967267A789CC4945074332A4894C99DD910AB6D59701B256FBB6 This prime value has been chosen so that (p-1)/2 will also be prime. I will continue to use Cantsin Protocol No. 2 as before. It's good to see that others are beginning to develop tools to use this protocol. Suggestions for improvements continue to be welcomed. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm Subject: New key To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com 25BA1A9F5B9010DD8C752EDE887E9AF3 [Cantsin Protocol No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No Subject
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Since crypto-anarchy & free-market economic anarchy both do away with > centralized authorities isn't this sort of behaviour what is *expected* of > members of the community under these systems? Doesn't the fact that there is > a clear and present danger to both person and community justify these sorts > of actions? > The concept of "Free-Market-Crypto-Anarchy" doesn't jibe with the "Lynch-Mob Democracy" mentality exhibited by Gates. One of the fundamental principles of anarchy is a willingness to let others hash out their own problems, i.e. I will ignore him unless his actions impact or affect me personally/financially. It is not as if the Gates were going to be affected by the "suspects"...they had to go out of their way to interfere with someone else's pursuit of happiness. That is clearly unacceptable. The last thing we need is a deputized citizenry...talk about a police state. (I guess that would be the ultimate form of the "Policeman Inside")

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Re: Singapore
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Mr. Frissell asserts that Germany lacks rights >such as freedom of speech and >association. >This is not true. >The German Basic Law provides for everyone the right to freedom of speech, >religion and association. >However, Germany prohibits hate speech i.e. National Socialism and >incitement to racial, religious and national hatred. >The reason for this exception is the German history. And thus there is no true freedom of speech and such in Germany. I can either say "Fuck the Jews" or I can't. I can either say "Bill Gates can blow me" or I can't. I can either post naked pictures of myself or I can't. (And yes, this means that there is no true freedom of speech and such in the United States either.) Nice try.

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No Subject
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think Vulis needs each of us to send ten copies of this back to him. >Tim Mayo's abysmal grammar, atrocious spelling and >feeble responses clearly identify him as a product of >the American education system. > _ > / ' > | > /><oo><\ Tim Mayo > //[ `' ]\\

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Re: It's Sunday...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----Begin Forward Message----- From: Linda Reed <lreed(a)igate.iscg.pima.gov> Organization: pima county Hi, CJ -- Thanx for cheering me up on a MONday mornin' -- and for your bits of worldly wisdom. Every once in a while, in between the gross sexual/political bashings and overstatement of the not-so-obvious, I can glean some truthful observation on the world at large--something to at least spark my brain (which it badly needs today). Thanx for the warning. People DO ask about you from time-to-time, especially Bob & Kid Squidd--who both seem to be doing OK--and others, who breathe a sigh of relief when I tell them you're still out of the country ;) I have one more month of probation at my new job with the county--the thing is they want me to come in every day--and at the right time! Still struggling with that part--in the mean time getting all their programs and screens to hold onto a 4-digit year in preparation for the Year-2000. I've talked to several people who are making lots of money convincing everyone to pay them to revamp for the inevitability of the century change--who also plan to retire some time before it hits (and remain out-of-touch in case the revamping fails for any reason). I'm having T-shirts made for LL & the Driffters for Xmas--special green & red colors--shall I mail you one? to what address? We're still driffting around--looks like I'll have to actually pay for studio time and an engineer early in the year to get a recording done--want to come sing in background on "It's A Long Way to My Heart"? Here's wishing you a Merry one from a girl who's been both naughty and nice -- Linda Lou ;) -----End Forward Message-----

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Red-necks w/ a purpose...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 03:54:05 -0500 > From: Anonymous <anon(a)anon.efga.org> Why does your remailer strip the subject header? > > Since crypto-anarchy & free-market economic anarchy both do away with > > centralized authorities isn't this sort of behaviour what is *expected* of > > members of the community under these systems? Doesn't the fact that there is > > a clear and present danger to both person and community justify these sorts > > of actions? > > > > The concept of "Free-Market-Crypto-Anarchy" doesn't jibe with the > "Lynch-Mob Democracy" mentality exhibited by Gates. What has this to do with a couple of rednecks stopping an alleged criminal out of the goodness of their hearts? Further, what exactly are you talking about in reference to Gates? Yes, he is rich but what specificaly are you referning to in regards to his mentality and lynch-mob democracies? All government or social systems resort to lynch-mod mentatility without some sort of bill of rights or other explicit restrainer on the system. Even free-market-crypto-anarchy will devolve to this. Why do supports of free-market-crypto-anarchy ignore issues regarding excesses of their beloved systems and what kinds of checks-and-balances need to be implimented to resolve those issues? Are you really going to claim that under free-market-crypto-anarchy we have finaly found angels in the forms of men? Is your claim that had there been a free-market-cryto-anarchy these people would not have committed the crime in the first place and hence the police and the rednecks could have stayed home? Is free-market-crypto-anarchy the final solution in human conflict resolution? > One of the > fundamental principles of anarchy is a willingness to let others hash > out their own problems, i.e. I will ignore him unless his actions > impact or affect me personally/financially. This is a tenet of democracy as well. However, am I to interpret your statement to mean that no, these rednecks were out of line? If so, my question still stands. With no centralized authority of any sort and by extension no centralized police force whose job is it to stop criminals? Under a free-market-crypto-anarchy exactly how does the peace-keeping process work? > It is not as if the Gates were going to be affected by the > "suspects"...they had to go out of their way to interfere with someone > else's pursuit of happiness. That is clearly unacceptable. The last > thing we need is a deputized citizenry...talk about a police state. > (I guess that would be the ultimate form of the "Policeman Inside") If there were no police force I am sure Gates with all his money would be on the top of a lot of hit lists - just too juicy a target to pass up. The police we have now are deputized citizens. *That* happens to be one of the safety checks. What is your point? ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. | | | | John Wayne - Allegheny Uprising | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Cato forum tomorrow: should money laundering be a crime?
by Mix 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steve Schear wrote: >This topic, of course, is near the top of many libertarian e-commerce >agendas. Almost every mainstream news article and regulatory report repeats >the littany that Money Laundering, that is the movement of money to disguise >it origin (even if there are no predicate offenses) must remain illegal >because it damages or is a threat to the world banking and financial system >(not just the tax take of governments), but I have yet to see any >explanation of how and why. Anyone care to comment? Might be a bit of a stretch, but I think this is because money today is inherently a liability, that is a debt that someone, somewhere has promised to pay back. Such is the nature of fractional reserve banking and debt-based currencies under which the international financial system functions. Thus if the origin of the money (the indebted party) is obscured, it becomes increasingly difficult to manage the quality of the world's money supply. After all, how can the issuer of the money collect on the debt that ultimately backs it when the issuer has no idea who to collect the debt from? Take away the ability to manage debt effectively and the issuer's money quickly becomes worthless (be it a commercial bank issuing deposit currency as a loan to its customers or a government's central bank issuing cash currency to its citizens based on a debt placed upon future generations of citizens). A money's value is measured by the quality of debt backing it. If the debt is defaulted on (whether through obscurity, Chapter 11, etcetera), the money loses value, which in turn can have negative systemic repercussions throughout the world's financial markets. The recent Asian currency devaluations (South Korea in particular) and the accompanying financial woes are a good example of what happens when the debt quality of money devalues. Nerthus - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 mQGiBDR6Du8RBAD/Atm9StFSTuaNTOtM0wH+BsKQcU8sB6kykqiRsCdfeoPdI2cW TifPTIFFJuSRb9JCda6OQcafloXeAN9nbE+GweDQGk9qQ3egsukPXZ1QLaZhx8Y0 bbbs1EKyNMIpPK0JyFycC+ehKbOVNnB+LlcofROS6C2BqxV6jV2bTh4/OwCg/3RA +J+IBZKJ+t8SrkePekrr8VkD+gMrK6wghoYjPJjve4GFNtIclbltnaxPvNblt3Gn TS+AKXRXvRvtqlbh6nkOzJZCGgDl5S4Sl9ugQZm4Dnhv1wJJptw1VaNIvx4vJh5k 0Ehv0QqLyyJLM1qkb+qSm726fj7x2VMUDz1B2J8BZnRSeyX7Owv96l2hbfhsWOSL kTzsA/47BVqGxA5aQhvXSuD6OuvzAsSNZUUL2pnyYmCkX/DrGzG1BDgb9AdUPbql s138nr/yLjBXwbbZnrqVLLBn9mVfqQZL1HB9MgKFaCT8Pi2Q/EpyM5kN/sMkA/c/ nmk6JVHvPyCdLwJLA0r5iKHyPbZyPbc6C1FfXD9V92O3dhvCw7QjTmVydGh1cyA8 Y3lwaGVycHVua3NAY3liZXJwYXNzLm5ldD6JAEsEEBECAAsFAjR6Du8ECwMBAgAK CRAWtXd85uJ6jrcdAJ0bB92r7CriqXzXAmPC5ldE0VftWACgoiV33M0m6V3L0OsV CFPIMuVS3oaJARUDBRA0eg8e4VbBl7TmNwkBAQXECACjSwCnkSP9Dv06s0HMLvT9 DwjXryxvx+oMgO6CjHe5eHmLpyNDMTuhnZYByr/DU9iWAEvAYJncAl7/o7e8OcU/ vrzU2hAcjS9yaKN/Q1ltZAhg01hLhadlxvclaxuHVZ/TaO+ci5Ew1d7wzMPBWUyE jBDHVN4902pTBaPpGqBV3yGYg5I403L9+bB8qD1Od8ALr83ha/mF6MRYV4m0Qar+ GHs6wwH3Zi+gAQMUVkC1rvJKoGicHBL7Ky+NmdydCTi4IBpiIalsdOVAF6aNkRI6 q41hmNYevzmjsk4KWQdCi+FWKj1f+soxyGPK4/lkQk17EWpdYR63+GpU88ecmrBy uQENBDR6Dv0QBADYL1ossXAnUFX3NgVrEg4BvRr8wyhrRrddBKI9XE8vLNdHoci1 7Xtor82Fr3kyBTx/6jW2HIkuFe1PPaJqjoXfxMQc/e5xbG3Sc65VgxUqY369rc0X yPWXnkDgGaeLJfMP6YEFWqOwyGGSkySKaiQrZXJdPnudjAhB4Aq4W/ZC4QACAgP/ UmOxIbdm014V8jSZHDpMCvHX69xMcKxk6pofza4fM+NN6wZLrUA9+us6JKMxq3j/ tSBX4M/VwhmtXdn27lbrR4blwQM/u0jGgqk3qAwEXiv2TweYCpWtfuEjbmv9LKpC um/6Sh/KhlNGoyxm6eEOTG3hSH6rKiCTACbtuotDQhKJAD8DBRg0eg79FrV3fObi eo4RAqt/AJ9qf0ixg3olUg2kYJEbmHMVzx+6EwCcC91whsrTD2nsNdCUkzhc333R Aoo= =aekz - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNIiUkxa1d3zm4nqOEQLaYQCcDRU9qkloaPTshE3coevIIdDxlXQAnjVx fcCqzFIilN8K6KLj346uJkCP =0xDo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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17 Dec '03

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Complete package for Cantsin Protocol No. 2
by Steffen Zahn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, I have put together a package for Cantsin 2 Signatures, to generate the keys, sign documents and check signatures. Prerequisites are: perl Version 5 libgmp Version 2.* a C compiler currently /dev/random for generation of keys and signatures precompiled binaries are provided for Linux-ELF (libc-5.*), if you have that you don't need libgmp. Pick it up from http://www.snafu.de/~zahn/cantsin.tar.gz (70 KByte) Regards Steffen (p,g,y,name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teffen Zahn (Key1) -- home email: user@domain where domain=berlin.snafu.de, user=zahn Use of my address for unsolicited commercial advertising is forbidden. "Where do you want to crash today?" 25BA1A9F5B9010DD8C752EDE887E9AF3 [Cantsin Protocol No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DIANA : The Unrevealed Pics (NEW URL)
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17 Dec '03

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Re: New key
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Monty Cantsin writes: >Some readers have suggested that my El Gamal key values were not >chosen correctly. My previous key used a random large prime, but >Schneier suggests choosing one with a guaranteed large prime factor >("Applied Cryptography", section 11.6). > >To correct that I offer a new El Gamal key which I will use for >signing: It is somewhat ironic that you would create a key on this particular weekend. I trust you will not mind if I use the older key. Probably anybody with the resources to crack it has something worthwhile to say. ;-) (Caught that little trick in the selection of g. Cute!) I'll try to maintain the high standards you've set for the key, although it is likely these efforts will fall short. I've admired your well thought out, informative, and modest posts for some time now. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm Subject: Re: New key To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com 25BA1A9F5B9010DD8C752EDE887E9AF3 [Cantsin Protocol No. 2] 94C43229A76383D818D39952F7A41ACA0394C6FE E1344393323DFFFD78D9745F8A826F5EF9AA28C0 -3F0 3F0 6669CE2A6565DA07C36257C406C946229A2FE2D639123E0E48069723951175920BA8AE7571BB8E7F8A8DB2B9B46982AB514AFF058EAD4AAF4DD9957217050F8E7385952B79017BE2B40475477D618A50AB145D1B06462D20B34677A6624A573AF17B429A4D6E38E04CDA64C87AA44080EFC9AB47558CFDFCE108D4B03E82E72FE067F61EED1F96C0C20FEDA0308E6B89D856AED23C7D0B0B638D036E4584E4C0C14A0180861362BA3FAE8D888E656759DDE94007AAF25C31619BE9330E882C9AEFE0B4DA7A9FB4AE742DE77B7A5EAE262DD69EF8941D87737667BC07A2A08E5E573151992DD35C3521473EA4E6199E27E9444D6B9A18618299837643E01CB2B3 18D56038290D31FC952F97E09A6AB4FB39DB7BB4445DF37F7DF0E53EE58F891AE781D0EB595AAAF32CA2FDD051EDA715843CCC77B89FEEAC0237D50C4D63BD6FB62E33B7EFD8E197013282E3E983E4D9066A6428954DDDF3F74613F8197729D3F1EC3DAD701266992155BAE443F042F6A015165C6FA5D5EEBEE638495D24AA27C70F58DEF248D93AF00D90E57E19AA52A629ABE2010642D4BE44968A020F988393B9E57A9D69F8F0367949F58B88FAE889F96B2169089E11C5BD2582F9E9A8524F28F96A697F83C723016521A2DB26F00F71B8ADF2DC9A95732CBDDB31E7E2CFF72E6698FD55105D820A08D70A9EE755CF1BFC1CFD7A389DA936869B04C1DF77

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Indices of Economic Freedom
by frissell＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 06:31 PM 12/5/97 -0500, Brian B. Riley wrote: > What are the criteria for these 'indices of economic freedom' ??? > > Thanks There are two competing indices: ECONOMIC FREEDOM OF THE WORLD 1997 http://192.197.214.46/cgi- bin/foliocgi.exe/fraser.nfo/query=*/doc/{t62614,16444}? Published by CATO, The Fraser Institute, and most of the other Market Liberal think tanks of the world. The components of their Index can be found at: http://192.197.214.46/cgi- bin/foliocgi.exe/Images97.nfo/object/Bitmap/FREE1997+!2D+EX1!2D1/object.gif? and The Index of Economic Freedom http://www.townhall.com:80/heritage/library/categories/forpol/econ_index/to… tml.cgi Published by the Heritage Foundation and the Wall Street Journal. The components of their Index can be found at: http://www.townhall.com:80/heritage/library/categories/forpol/econ_index/ch… tml.tlr DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNItKTYVO4r4sgSPhAQEeHwQAw5FXEnKK53n6eSW9wpZ766fN6JT1/o/w F1sus1lW4qIzMcjw1M6VwhL/G8jHjYBS9dZa7axk0rTi5e+NW/XBqzZqJWCgepMp 4dMGhjnS3RgwWdh/zPRixcRZR4JZlK45wCxZVcjYOWLMfS9LLotaDW4rbQWLBef2 PvN6HWyRamw= =ykNS -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: SynData/Schneier Attack Network Associates
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

cvhd(a)indyweb.net wrote: > Everyone should keep in mind that John McAfee very well knows on which side > of his bread it is buttered-- McAfee has made his fortune on the > site-licenses for government use of his anti-virus product. U.S. Customs > alone liceneses 17,000+ copies. Is anyone kidding themselves about which > side of GAK and Key Escrow McAfee will come down on? The wonderful thing about the U.S. Customs computer system is that one only has to compromise a single computer to access everything on their system. God bless McAfee, who made it all possible by making certain that all of the Customs computers were vulnerable to a single point of entry. I can hardly wait for their Key Escrow products to come out. Very Anonymous

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Remailer Trivia / Re: Singapore & Freedom
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Secret Squirrel wrote: > > Harish Pillay <harish(a)brokat.com.sh> wrote: > >Interesting that you hide behind an anomymous name and you claim to > >be outside Singapore. I for one, will stand by my name and say that > >things I should say about this country of mine (warts and all) and > >not have to hide behind anonymity (not that I would not use anonymity > >ever :-)). > > Typical. Doesn't Anonymous have a brother, Neal? Isn't he a playwrite, or author, or something? Anybody?

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Thanks all!
by Alex Woolfson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I LOVE the cypherpunks. :-) Thanks all for your very useful and thorough analysis of that documentation from the makers of Encypted Magic Folders. It was great (particular thanks to Ray and Bill!). As I like the concept behind it and would love to encourage these turkeys to use strong crypto, I would like to forward some of the messages to the company that makes the product. If you would prefer I not do this (or would like me to not include your name or email address), please let me know. I'm not going to do this for a week to give people time to get back to me. Looks like Bill is already on their butts, already, anyway. :-) Maybe he can smack some sense into 'em. And maybe someone here could come up with a cypherpunk equivalent? (unless someone already has...) Be cool if to have this at Punk Strength. Unfortunately, my own ability to code needs much work... Again, thanks. You guys were a great help. Alex

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CypherPunk Post of the Century [WAS: Get your hand off that <delete> button. Now!] [WAS: It's beginning to look a lot like...Donald?]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

:: Anon-To: isthisamistakeoratrick(a)theshadow.nose Nobody said: {Honest! Nobody said it, so I made it up and added quote marks so I wouldn't look like I was responding to my own post. If you'll check the archives, you'll find even Tim May _didn't_ say the following:} > I have refused to vote Republican for President ever since their > unconscionable travesty wherein they dropped the superior candidate, > the monkey, and ran Ronnie RayGuns for the position. > The die (no pun intended) has been set for the next Presidential > election, with Clinton being politically assassinated, and Gore > getting Clinton all over him (as opposed to vice-versa in a physical > assassination). > I have already made my quadra-annual vow not to vote for Donald Duck > for President again, but the muckers in power just won't give me a > reasonable option. > Oh, well. At least I can still say I'm an animal rights activist. FREEZE! Get your finger off of that <Delete> button, and slowly back away from the keyboard... After subjecting the subscribers to the CypherPukes and Flight-from- Censorship lists to multiple spams of an Eldridge cleaverly disguised and disgusting on-topic post, I thought it would be appropriate to make amends by wrapping myself in the state flag with the python on it and writing "The History of the Present : A CypherPunk Perspective." {Originally titled, "Everything You Wanted To Know About Freedom and Privacy, But Were Imprisoned For Asking."} First, allow me to point out that those who believe my disclaimers that my posts are meaningless may possibly be even bigger fools than those who believe list posts which claim to be packed with meaning. It's a tough call... There are list subscribers who provide spoon-fed information for those who are busy and important and don't have time to think (executive sheeple?), but (Young and Hettinga both being classical examples) the pressure of faking sanity eventually gets to them and they snap into an acid-flashback condition that results in posts containing existential poetry or advertisements for grits. I, on the other hand, help balance the lists by beginning at a point of total blathering, and work my way slowly toward sanity and reason. The fact that I rarely succeed at this indicates to me that my posts are usually not long enough to complete the process, so I will endeavor to ramble on endlessly in this missive, for the eventual benefit of the person who is still reading this post. (Me?) AN INFOWAR FAIRY TALE: Ode to Bianca Once upon time there was a woman with breasts so beautiful that men would try to grab them at every opportunity, with only an honored few being allowed to touch them (as a result of recognizing that she had an equally beautiful brain). The woman worked in a computer industry dominated by young men who had spent so much time cloistered among their machines that they did not know much about humans, and almost nothing about women, including the fact that women are all witches. Thus, the beautiful witch was able to trick the owners of protruding hardware into exposing their secret things to her, so that she was able to follow the bytes as they metamorphisized into software. These men were powerful lions of the computer industry, drawing their great strength from their long mane-frames, little suspecting that a female systems analyst, with a heritage that taught her how to use scissors to cut efficiently and shape the results into a new form of clothing, might cut off the long locks from which they drew their strength, while they were sleeping, and weave them into a wig of many colors, enabling her to let down her hair, thus allowing her secret lovers to climb up to the tower of the computer master's castle. THE REQUISITE 'MORAL OF THE STORY': 'Tit men' are unlikely to notice if Lady Godiva is riding a Trojan (pardon the pun) Horse. "Am I a Freeh, dreaming I am a Zimmermann, or Zimmermann, dreaming I am Freeh?" ~ Phil Dunkelberger, General Manager, Total Nework Security Division, Network Associates "As long as we have Kim Philby defending our country, Communist Americans can sleep safely at night." ~ J. Eggbert Hoover "Be afraid. Be very afraid..." ~ Huge Cajones, Addressing the 'Global Society of Unelected Secret Committees' "Why The Government Wants Our Guns" by John Young ----------------------------------- http://www3.phillynews.com/packages/somalia/nov16/rang16.asp "Why The Government Wants Our Keys" by Tim C. May ----------------------------------- The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography "Why Privacy is Dangerous in the Hands of Non-Chinese-Communist American Citizens Who Don't Make Major Campaign Contributions" --------------------------------------------------------------- From: softwar(a)us.net (SOFTWAR) One example of Reno's conflict is the Clinton China Crypto Scam. It was Reno's Justice Anti-Trust Division that authorized the merger of a major company backed by a big donor to the DNC. The companies, RSA and Security Dynamics, sought the merger in 1996 just after RSA Chairman James Bidzos signed a memo of understanding to perform "encryption research" with China. 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Re: Singapore (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: frissell(a)panix.com > Date: Sun, 07 Dec 1997 20:58:27 -0500 > Subject: Re: Singapore > I think that many of us ("We Are All Liberals Now" -- The Economist, 1997) > ignore economic liberty when comparing regimes. Measure of government form: Type Manage Own Democracy Individual Individual Communism State State Facism State Individual Note that it is quite easy to have a government type that falls between these. Consider the current situation in the US, Rep-Democ Ind/State Ind/State ____________________________________________________________________ | | | | | We built your fort. We will not have it used against us. | | | | John Wayne - Allegheny Uprising | | | | | | _____ The Armadillo Group | | ,::////;::-. Austin, Tx. USA | | /:'///// ``::>/|/ http://www.ssz.com/ | | .', |||| `/( e\ | | -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- Jim Choate | | ravage(a)ssz.com | | 512-451-7087 | |____________________________________________________________________|

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Re: Singapore & Freedom
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Harish Pillay <harish(a)brokat.com.sh> wrote: >Interesting that you hide behind an anomymous name and you claim to >be outside Singapore. I for one, will stand by my name and say that >things I should say about this country of mine (warts and all) and >not have to hide behind anonymity (not that I would not use anonymity >ever :-)). Typical.

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reno, encryption, rsa, etc. (softwar)
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 16:05:55 -0800 From: "J. Orlin Grabbe" <kalliste(a)aci.net> To: snetnews(a)world.std.com Subject: SNET: [Fwd: FREEH SPEECH] - -> SearchNet's SNETNEWS Mailing List From: softwar(a)us.net (SOFTWAR) Subject: FREEH SPEECH Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 17:09:51 GMT General Reno has declined to appoint an Independent Counsel to investigate campaign abuses by the Clinton White House. Several Congressional leaders have sputtered they are concerned about Ms. Reno's conflict of interest in the matter. Of course, the Republican specifics of her "conflict" never go past the fact that she was appointed by Clinton. However, the connections between Ms. Reno and the Clinton scandals are well known to at least one person inside the Beltway. One example of Reno's conflict is the Clinton China Crypto Scam. It was Reno's Justice Anti-Trust Division that authorized the merger of a major company backed by a big donor to the DNC. The companies, RSA and Security Dynamics, sought the merger in 1996 just after RSA Chairman James Bidzos signed a memo of understanding to perform "encryption research" with China. The donor, Sanford Robertson, paid $100,000 to the DNC just prior to the merger. Furthermore, Mr. Robertson was on the list of those called by Al Gore from the White House and the MONEY arrived just after Gore's call. In fact, $20,000 of Robertson's donation was split into a HARD money account by the DNC. Of course, Mr. Robertson's investment firm made a cool two million dollars on the merger deal, spurred in part by the lucrative RSA contract with the PRC. Yet, Ms. Reno was also directed officially by President Clinton to oversee the "encryption problem" and enforce policy. For example, according to recently declassified documents from the Clinton National Security Council, Ms. Reno was tasked by President Clinton in 1993 to oversee the Clipper project. Ms. Reno was directed by Clinton to purchase 9,000 Clipper phones for the FBI. In addition, Clinton directed Ms. Reno to prepare Clipper for export. Finally, Reno was tasked to convince the US communications and computer industry to voluntarily implement the Clipper "key escrow" back door into all US made products. Simply put, Ms. Reno was, and is still, in charge of bugging America's telephones. Yet, how far can Ms. Reno go? According to the Presidential Directive, "Should (US) industry fail to fully assist the government in meeting its requirements within a reasonable period of time, the Attorney General will recommend legislation which would compel manufacturers to meet government requirements." Thus, if we do not voluntarily give up our rights to privacy, Ms. Reno is tasked by President Clinton with drawing up the laws for "mandatory" government phone bugs. Yet, there is overwhelming evidence that Ms. Reno quietly turned her head as a major DNC backer managed a deal involving the Communist Chinese and advanced encryption technology. Other than approving the lucrative RSA merger/export, Ms Reno and the Justice Department are also major players in export policy. They are part of an Inter-Agency Working group specifically tasked to cover crypto and exports. As proof, Reno's Justice Department has written most of the Clinton encryption policy papers. In fact, some of the secret documents written by Reno's Justice Department on crypto policy were compromised by former DNC fund-raiser Ira Sockowitz. Sockowitz walked out of the Commerce Department with over 2,000 pages of secrets in 1996. Ironically, included in the Sockowitz papers are secret documents covering the 1996 RSA/China deal. Curiously, Ms. Reno has chosen NOT to look into the matter. The connections between Ms. Reno and the Clinton scandals are also well known to at least one person inside the Beltway. FBI Director Louie Freeh knows. He is aware of that advanced technology was being shipped to China while draconian laws banning the same technology were considered here. Director Freeh also knows that his boss, Ms. Reno, is deeply involved in criminal obstruction involving high tech exports, DNC donors, and her own Justice Department. He knows she is covering for crimes that she and her Department were charged to prevent. The question now is... Does Freeh have the guts to tell America? 1 if by land, 2 if by sea. Paul Revere - encryption 1775 Charles R. Smith SOFTWAR http://www.us.net/softwar Pcyphered SIGNATURE: 3B766150F4B90D30688C657BB44EE7016793781A184F584E7C129D2A8A03F3F5 0B833ABFCE759CC129AF6A33B104406F19EB68AF61050087B65A66C94EA8B0B9 1D70D66883BCA304 - -> Send "subscribe snetnews " to majordomo(a)world.std.com - -> Posted by: "J. Orlin Grabbe" <kalliste(a)aci.net> ------- End of Forwarded Message

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17 Dec '03

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PRZ/PGP loses it
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 15:02:44 -0500 From: bxs29(a)cas.org (Barry Skaggs-D26) To: cas(a)majordomo.pobox.com, ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: (OT) Cloud Over Future of PGP Seems like the days of peer-reviewed encryption software may be numbered. Just trust Us. Regards, Barry Skaggs Cloud Over Future of Pretty Good Privacy The Price of Key Recovery Following Monday's US$35 million cash acquisition of PGP by Network Associates, the man who once testified before the Senate that key recovery could "strengthen the hand of a police state" now works for a company that actively promotes it. Reaction from e-privacy activists was swift and harsh. "The users of PGP can no longer rely on the credibility of Phil Zimmermann to ensure that the product is everything that they've been promised it's been previously," said Dave Banisar, attorney for the Electronic Privacy Information Center and co-author of The Electronic Privacy Papers Network Associates, formerly known as the Key Recovery Alliance, an organization that lobbies Congress for key recovery that would grant law enforcement agencies back-door access to private encrypted communications. Network Associates and other companies support key recovery because it would allow them to export strong crypto software without bothering to make a separate nonrecoverable version for the domestic market. The Commerce Department forbids export of the strongest available encryption without elaborate promises from manufacturers to develop key recovery features. Thus many companies are forced to develop both export and domestic versions of their software, each with differing crypto strengths. But Zimmermann, a pioneer of strong encryption, has spent years crusading against key recovery, calling it an invasion of privacy. And the most recent release of PGP's encryption software allows users to disable key recovery. "People should give their consent to use [recovery]," Zimmermann said. When asked whether future versions of the package will retain that option, Zimmermann replied, "Certainly, as long as I have anything to say about it." Zimmermann's new title at Network Associates is "fellow," but he declined to comment on exactly what authority and responsibility that confers. Meanwhile, Phil Dunkelberger, PGP's former president and CEO, was named general manager of Network Associates' Total Network Security Division. "It's going to take some time to figure things out," said Zimmermann. EPIC's Banisar was less diplomatic and postulated that Zimmermann's new title reflected a clash of values between him and Network Associates on key recovery. "We have a number of fellows here, and they are usually unpaid volunteers," Banisar said. "It will require a fundamental examination by human rights groups and others about whether any newer versions of PGP are truly trustworthy," said Banisar. Network Associates could not be reached for comment. Wired, Dec. 3, 1997 ********************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: subscribe ignition-point email@address or unsubscribe ignition-point email@address ********************************************** http://www.telepath.com/believer ********************************************** ------- End of Forwarded Message

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Quick Response Team in sg?
by bureau42 Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Mail Administrator<Postmaster(a)vang.pacific.net.sg> Send reply to: Mail Administrator<Postmaster(a)vang.pacific.net.sg> Subject: Mail System Error - Returned Mail > This Message was undeliverable due to the following reason: > > The following destination addresses were unknown (please > check the addresses and re-mail the message): > > SMTP <harish(a)brokat.com.sg> > > Please reply to Postmaster(a)vang.pacific.net.sg > if you feel this message to be in error. Hmmmmm.

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Please Decrypt Me
by Jonathan Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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ATTN: Boston-Finney Distributors !!!
by Homebiz＠Nstar.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Riutual processing???
by Paul Bradley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For all pentium haters, I advise a visit to this page: > http://www.top.net/chia/pentiumgram/ -- Paul Bradley paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk "Why should anyone want to live on rails?" - Stephen Fry

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ECCp-79 challenge cracked
by Trei, Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm enclosing two messages from sci.crypt: Peter Trei ------------------------------------------------------------------------ First message On sci.crypt Volker Mueller <vmueller(a)cdc.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de> wrote: >[...] Maybe the problem is not so easy. The biggest DL computation for an >elliptic curve was a 19 digit prime order computation (up to my >knowledge). The first Certicom "exercise" has 79 bits or 24 decimal >digits. > >Cheers, Volker You're right, the so-called "exercise" was not so easy! However a few Alphas and some optimised code got through it eventually. I just posted the following to Certicom... -- Rob. PS: Any volunteers willing to dedicate Alpha CPU time for cracking the next challenge? With a bunch of machines it would be a piece of cake! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ This message is copyright Robert J. Harley, 1997. If you wish to quote more than one sentence, please quote the whole thing. To: certicom-ecc-challenge(a)certicom.com Robert J. Harley, Se`vres, France, 6th of December, 1997. Dear Anonymous, Certicom's professed aim in setting its ECC challenge is to encourage research into secure cryptosystems based on elliptic curve discrete logarithms. Yet Certicom is a member of the Key Recovery Alliance, a lobby group whose purpose is to promote the use of back-doors allowing supposedly secure communications to be intercepted. How are these contradictory positions reconciled? The solution to your ECCp-79 problem is the residue class of 92221507219705345685350 modulo 466597814831947642887217. It was found by Wayne Baisley and myself using several Digital Alpha workstations running Linux and Digital Unix at the Institut National de Recherche en Informatique et Automatique (INRIA), at Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory and at the California Institute of Technology C.S. Department. The method used was a "birthday paradox" algorithm iterating from a random initial point (one per machine) with a random function (the same on all machines) until a collision was detected at 17:58 today at INRIA, Rocquencourt, France by a 500MHz Linux machine. This machine did 25 billion elliptic curve operations per day. The peak rate of all machines was approximately 6 six times as much. A total of about 1400 billion iterations were performed. If this is the first correct submission, please send the prize (a copy of "Handbook of Applied Cryptography" and Maple software) to the following address: Robert Harley, c/o Sylvie Loubressac, Projet CRISTAL, INRIA, Domaine de Voluceau - Rocquencourt, 78153 Le Chesnay, France. Thank you, Rob. .-. Robert.Harley(a)inria.fr .-. / \ .-. .-. / \ / \ / \ .-. _ .-. / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / `-' `-' \ / \ / \ \ / `-' `-' \ / `-' Linux + 500MHz Alpha + 256MB SDRAM = heaven `-' ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---------------------------------------------- Second message: From: Dimitris Tsapakidis <dimitris(a)alien.bt.co.uk> Date: 1997/12/08 Message-ID: <348BDD10.B5B2E641(a)alien.bt.co.uk> Newsgroups: sci.crypt [More Headers] Hello Robert, Congratulations on your effort. We would like to post some information on our attempt at BT Labs. We found the private key after you at 19:58 GMT on Sunday the 7th. We only completed 481 billion ECC operations at a peak rate of 84 billion per day using 170 to 210 machines. A couple of months ago we contributed 180-250 machines to the distributed.net/Bovine group attack on RC5-56, peaking at 60 million keys/sec. Dimitris

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord ?"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{"cracker"} = "<remailer(a)anon.efga.org> cpunk mix remix pgp hash ksub esub latent cut ek reord post"; $remailer{'redneck'} = '<config(a)anon.efga.org> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"bureau42"} = "<remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org> cpunk mix pgp ksub hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"neva"} = "<remailer(a)neva.org> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub ?"; $remailer{"lcs"} = "<mix(a)anon.lcs.mit.edu> mix"; $remailer{"medusa"} = "<medusa(a)weasel.owl.de> mix middle" $remailer{"McCain"} = "<mccain(a)notatla.demon.co.uk> mix middle"; $remailer{"valdeez"} = "<valdeez(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"arrid"} = "<arrid(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"hera"} = "<goddesshera(a)juno.com> cpunk pgp pgponly hash ek"; $remailer{"htuttle"} = "<h_tuttle(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp hash latent cut post ek"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix reno winsock) (weasel squirrel medusa) (cracker redneck) (nym lcs) (valdeez arrid hera) This remailer list is somewhat phooey. Go check out http://www.publius.net/rlist.html for a good one. Last update: Thu 23 Oct 97 15:48:06 PDT remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- hera goddesshera(a)juno.com ------------ 5:03:45 99.86% nym config(a)nym.alias.net +*#**#**### :34 95.82% redneck config(a)anon.efga.org #*##*+#**** 2:00 95.44% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com +++ ++++++* 19:18 95.27% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de -- ---+--- 2:34:19 95.16% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net *++***+ ++ 11:26 95.11% replay remailer(a)replay.com **** *** 10:06 94.93% arrid arrid(a)juno.com ----.------ 8:50:34 94.41% bureau42 remailer(a)bureau42.ml.org --------- 3:38:29 93.53% cracker remailer(a)anon.efga.org + +*+*+*+ 16:32 92.80% jam remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca + +*-++++ 24:14 92.79% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net -..-..---- 9:59:18 92.22% neva remailer(a)neva.org ------****+ 1:03:02 90.39% valdeez valdeez(a)juno.com 4:58:22 -36.97% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net 1:01:28 -2.65% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Why NOT have an Offshore Trust ??
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17 Dec '03

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Crypto Law Survey updated
by Bert-Jaap Koops 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have just updated my survey of existing and envisaged cryptography laws and regulations. See the Crypto Law Survey at http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm This update includes: -new entries on Estonia, Hungary, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Romania, Turkey (import/export) and on Argentina, Malaysia, South Korea (domestic) -update on European Union (Commission Communication: advises export adaptation, wary of key recovery, EU will use encryption itself), Belgium (govt proposal), Brazil (import/ use controls possible in 1998), France (expected decrees delayed by NL), Germany (Kanther chip; no regulation intention), Sweden (Cabinet Office report), Turkey (perhaps domestic controls), US (BXA seeks comments; Bernstein hearing scheduled; SAFE Act amended/ uncertain future; KMI FIPS meetings; AES candidate call) -clarification on Poland (import), Singapore, South Africa, UK (export) -URLs added to EU (KRISIS), France (critique), UK (list of responses), US (KMI FIPS, amendment S909) Kind regards, Bert-Jaap --------------------------------------------------------------------- Bert-Jaap Koops tel +31 13 466 8101 Center for Law, Administration and facs +31 13 466 8149 Informatization, Tilburg University e-mail E.J.Koops(a)kub.nl -------------------------------------------------- Postbus 90153 | This world's just mad enough to have been made | 5000 LE Tilburg | by the Being his beings into being prayed. | The Netherlands | (Howard Nemerov) | --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/bertjaap.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Fwd: (Fwd) GILC on racism, Asian events, copyright, etc. (472 l (fwd)]
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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A Pretty Good Story, from The Netly News
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

********* http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/opinion/0,1042,1617,00.html The Netly News Network (http://netlynews.com/) December 8, 1997 A Pretty Good Story by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Phil Zimmermann had it easy fighting the U.S. government: At least everyone else was on his side. Today the legendary cryptographer and founder of Pretty Good Privacy (PGP) is finding that his latest adversaries are just as determined but much more diverse. Earlier this fall PGP drew fire for releasing PGP 5.5 with a so-called "message recovery" feature that a corporation could require users to turn on to let the boss read their e-mail. Then, when McAfee Associates announced last week it would buy PGP, formerly supportive privacy advocates screamed that the company's new owners were part of the "Key Recovery Alliance," a group of firms devoted to producing data-scrambling software easily snoopable by the government. Now the complaining may stop, at least for a while. The McAfee-PGP combo, called Network Associates, has dropped out of the alliance. "I never would have allowed my own company to join the Key Recovery Alliance," Zimmermann told me yesterday. "As soon as I found out about McAfee being a member, I tried to do something about it." [...]

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"Kids Safe" calls for mandatory blocking sw; op-ed on summit
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[What was that the IFEA folks were saying last week? Oh, yes, I remember: by building systems like PICS you also create an irresistable temptation for Congress to make them mandatory. --Declan] Business Wire December 5, 1997, Friday DISTRIBUTION: Business/News Editors & High-Tech Writers LENGTH: 486 words HEADLINE: Child-Safety Advocate Calls on Congress to Mandate Parental Software on All Computers Sold in U.S. DATELINE: LOS ANGELES BODY: Dec. 5, 1997--Saying that we must protect children from the dangers of sexually explicit material on the Internet, a leading child-safety advocate Friday called on Congress to enact legislation to mandate that every computer sold in the United States by 1999 be outfitted with parental software that can block out sexually explicit or adult Web sites. Jayne Murphy Shapiro, founder and president of KIDS SAFE, an organization dedicated to protecting children against sexual molestation, is writing all members of Congress to express her concerns about the dangers of the Internet and her goal to make the Internet online experience safe, educational and entertaining for chldren. Shapiro, who attended the Internet Online Summit in Washington this week and met with government officials and community activists from across the country, said, "Mandating that computer makers install screening software will give parents new power to control what material young children are exposed to. "Our proposal would require manufacturers to install computer software in new computers to allow parents to block Internet sites considered too violent or obscene for their children. The easy-to-use filtering software would allow parents, educators and employers to screen the Internet, providing an alternative to government censorship." Shapiro pointed out that KIDS SAFE does not believe in censorship of the Internet, but rather in the common goal of protecting the First Amendment and the Internet so it can be used for free expression, education and commerce. Current software on the market allows for an Internet site to be blocked if it meets the following guidelines: 1) a disclaimer indicating restricted access; and 2) a screen or warning that identifies the site as adult-oriented or containing information unsuitable for those underage or the publisher has requested that his/her site be blocked. "Screening software, coupled with parental responsibility, enables parents to make informed decisions about what Internet sites their children can enter," said Shapiro. "Parental responsibility, with the help of the screening software, can be a major step in curtailing the needless exposure to inappropriate Web sites that plague the Internet." -0- NOTE: Jayne Murphy Shapiro, president of KIDS SAFE, is available for comments on this or any other child-safety issues. ------ The Record (Bergen County, NJ) December 4, 1997; THURSDAY; ALL EDITIONS SECTION: OPINION; Pg. L10 LENGTH: 618 words HEADLINE: PEDOPHILES IN CYBERSPACE ; WE MUST STOP CHILD PORNOGRAPHY ON THE INTERNET BYLINE: The Record BODY: THE increasing presence of child pornography on the Internet is a national problem that must be dealt with aggressively and quickly. This is not a free-speech or First Amendment issue. Child pornography is a crime. We do not tolerate it in our communities, and we should not tolerate it in cyberspace. Unfortunately, as a Page One article in The Record pointed out yesterday, cyberspace is tailor-made for the dissemination of child pornography. It allows pedophiles instant access to explicit photos in the privacy of their own homes, and it gives distributors and collectors enough anonymity to avoid getting caught and being prosecuted. In fact, the anonymity and the ease of finding sexually explicit material involving children on the Internet may have actually broadened the audience for child pornography. And law enforcement officials worry that this could in turn lead to increased child sexual abuse. Vice President Al Gore has been leading a campaign to make the Internet safe for children. This week, he announced a new partnership between Internet service providers and the Justice Department in an effort to crack down on child pornography, and a toll-free hot line to report any suspected incidents of child sexual exploitation. America Online also announced its cooperation."When child pornography is appropriately brought to our attention and we have control over it, we will remove it,"AOL Chairman Steve Case said. But law enforcement officials, computer experts, and child advocates say it's not that easy, by any means. Even if AOL cooperates, a great deal of child pornography is found on chat rooms hosted by hundreds of much smaller providers, who are loathe to police themselves because of liability or censorship concerns, or because they don't have the staff to do so. The Record's article also pointed out that most law enforcement officials are not knowledgeable enough to track down child pornography distributors, who are experts at disguising themselves on the Internet and finding new ways to fool monitors. Law enforcement officials may also lack the manpower needed to track down pedophiles."If we go on line undercover for one night,"one investigator said,"we're busy for two weeks, getting warrants and records." Many more"cybercops"are needed at the federal, state, and local levels who have the expertise to keep one step ahead of child pornographers, and much more manpower and training is needed. In New Jersey, state Sen. Andrew Ciesla, R-Brick, has introduced a bill that would create a high-tech crimes and investigation support unit for the state police. The measure, which should be approved, would set aside $ 400,000 for the unit to investigate computer crimes, including child pornography on the Internet, and create a 24-hour toll-free state hot line for reporting anything suspicious. Alerting the authorities is a key component of this crackdown, and Mr. Gore also announced a national"Cybertip"hot line to report suspicious on-line activity related to child pornography. The number is (800) 843-5678. The vice president is to be commended for seeking ways to stop these ugly predators. But this effort must be more than just lip service. It will take time to find the most effective ways to crack down on child pornography on the Internet, but the quest should take on increasing urgency, given all the evidence that the problem is growing. In the meantime, intense pressure should be brought to bear on the Internet industry, which can make a huge dent in this particularly vile cybercrime by aggressively policing itself. ----

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RightsMarket Demo
by Stacey Feltham 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Cato forum tomorrow: should money laundering be a crime?
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>(Why is this discussion limited to just the four of us? Surely Declan and >his Cato buddies are worthy to hear our arguments? I dislike the "taking >things private" mindset, when the lists are already so cluttered with Toto >rants and other consumers of vast amounts of bandwidth.) If my header lines implied this, it was inadvertent. I agree more 'relevent' content on CP is desireable. >I haven't quite said that all forms of communication/spending money will be >speech and therefore protected. (Besides, we all know of many forms of >speech that are unprotected.) > >What I (and Michael Froomkin, in his own CFP talk) have argued is that >digital money will be _undetectable_ in many cases unless government >demands that the contents of a private communication be revealed. A kind of >prior restraint on speech. > [snip] >If the government determines, somehow, that Alice was >involved in an illegal transaction, tax evasion, money laundering, etc., >they can try to get her on that. But they can't insist that words be >submitted to a government agent for approval." Isn't uttering a check protected speech? What about if a check is stego-coded in some political rant? Can the Feds insist I not utter that speech? --Steve PGP mail preferred, see http://www.pgp.com and http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html RSA fingerprint: FE90 1A95 9DEA 8D61 812E CCA9 A44A FBA9 RSA key: http://keys.pgp.com:11371/pks/lookup?op=index&search=0x55C78B0D --------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Schear | tel: (702) 658-2654 CEO | fax: (702) 658-2673 First ECache Corporation | 7075 West Gowan Road | Suite 2148 | Las Vegas, NV 89129 | Internet: schear(a)lvdi.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me ECache or give me debt! "It's your Cache"

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Re: Remailer Trivia / Re: Singapore & Freedom
by Charlie Comsec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Harish Pillay <harish(a)brokat.com.sg> > Interesting that you hide behind an anomymous name and you claim to ^^^^^^^^^^^ > be outside Singapore. I for one, will stand by my name and say that > things I should say about this country of mine (warts and all) and > not have to hide behind anonymity (not that I would not use anonymity ^^^^^^^^^^^ > ever :-)). I find it interesting that most of the people who refer to anonymous posters as "hiding behind" or "hiding behind the skirts of" something usually have unlisted telephone numbers when you try to do a search for them. <g> I wonder why "hiding behind" an unlisted telephone number is considered acceptable but having an "unlisted" e-mail address is not considered acceptable? Nor is it useful to argue that anonymity should only be used when it's "needed". That decision should be at the sole discretion of the poster. With the advent of firms that sell "dossiers" of the public posts of potential job candidates to employers, maybe posting using your own name is something everyone ought to at least reconsider. For many people, the choice is not between posting openly versus posting anonymously, but rather between posting openly and NOT POSTING AT ALL. Censorious individuals contribute to that by deliberately attempting to ridicule and discredit anonymous posters. Since you often cannot determine an anonymous poster's religion, race, nationality, or sexual preference, those who prefer ad hominem attack to a rational debate of the issues attack the poster's anonymity, instead. BTW, do you "hide behind" clothes when you walk on the street? If so, why? Got something to hide? Huh? COWARD!!!! <g> - --- Finger <comsec(a)nym.alias.net> for PGP public key (Key ID=19BE8B0D) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNIwRWgbp0h8ZvosNAQFZ6Af9G4P92aD68wwQEHH4xNiHvD5x8JDzIFCK fzFPp+IxuSQi+0R8i8Udt9XUh317Ec78lgwuRpStwS8LooE88oBWP2A5StU9k0BH kEDT7U8XlP73z0MCxr3kGmKC7TQwJo7cBZma7GbLjs9+wN5w7/k3nhXPLmA0At2y wmV08KIHl1pJacR36dRSfb8vuph6KwkglAU+az1BxDROIfWWqCYXVDsADULsz63p dOiiHkIS4yDLyLSU9osGLA62zkGLZMHYIfs8eWDB9AVNoPHwo7l0DxMMtsF+QjtR Qjdeor+DUd4jo+4tmYGPBwdX370EHqXjN/J3/CspGc+e+GVRyIU/Nw== =Zi6K -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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