December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Introductory Post
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dale Thorn wrote: > Death camps? Aw, shit. You know, once you've accumulated 20 or so > Attaboys, one Awshit can erase the whole stack. Guess you'll hafta > start over. Hi, My name is Toto. I'm handsome, witty, and have a humungous schlong. I hope you will not put me in your KillFile, because I am a sensitive person, and easily hurt. Not that I don't support a list member's right- to-choose. It's just that it would make you a free-speech murderer. I could send you some graphic pictures of KillFiled posts, and believe me, it is not a pretty picture. Hanging indents, misplaced pronouns. I also have some sex graphics, with dangling participles. As well, KillFiling can be stastistically shown to have racist underpinnings, as shown by the large number of Ebonics posts which were ruthlessly murdered in the past (although there are those that claim that it was only in retribution for the English language being murdered first). I have been a CypherPunk since kindegarten, when I learned Pig-Latin, and I believe that the only answer to noise is to quote the noise, while adding, "Shut up Dr. Vulis!!!!" -- :: Anon-To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Cutmarks: -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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ISP Services Will Never Be The Same Again!
by darrington＠debtfree.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Mechanical workings of Enigma
by Bubba Rom Dos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At ftp://agn-www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/pub/cryptsim/, there are several photos of an Enigma, and simulators for DOS and Windows.

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

camcc(a)abraxis.com (Alec) writes: > Tim, > > There would be more room if your sig weren't so long. :-> Guys with short dicks use long sigs. > As you know, every year there are a certain number of child deaths as a > result of reactions to state-mandated innoculations/vaccinations. Gone too? > > Perhaps the difference, or rationale, here is the possible spread of disease > to others, rather than trying to protect the individual from himself. Suppose X chooses to innoculate their kids and Y chooses not to innoculate their kids against, say, polio; and Y's kids get it. They're not going to give it to someone whose parents chose to innoculate them. (This is a kind of borderline example, not unlike circumcision. The individual affected by the choice is too young to understand what it's all about, but doesn't want to be stuck with a needle. Why are the parents more qualified to make decisions for him than the state?) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > At 5:48 PM -0600 3/17/97, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > >do you also oppose mandatory liability insurance? > > Yes. In New York State, every motorist is supposed to have $10K insurance as well as a licence. Of course, a lot of drivers in New York City have no licences or expired/suspended licences, and no insurance. If you're injured by an uninsured driver, or someone who fled, or someone with no assets and a $10K insurance and $500K claim, then your only hope to recover something is to carry "underinsurance insurance" with your own insurer. I understand that it's even messier in New Jersey. It would be much healthier if instead of trying to file a claim against the other party's insuerer (if it exists :-) you always filed a claim against your own insuerer and let them figure out who to sue. The system doesn't work. > (By the way, Igor, could you make a greater effort to snip out sections of > posts you are not directly commenting upon?) Learn to ignore what you're not interested in, Timmy. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mac Norton <mnorton(a)cavern.uark.edu> writes: > > On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Timothy C. May wrote: > > > At 5:48 PM -0600 3/17/97, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > >do you also oppose mandatory liability insurance? > > > > Yes. > > And do you also oppose financial responsibility requirements > for obtaining the privilege of operating an automobile on > public roads? > MacN Dunno about Akransas (that's where Uark.edu is, ain't it). Your state is the home state of the muerderer Bill KKKlinton. You should commit suicide at once. But in the more civilized states, like New York or California, if you have an accident and your (good) car is totalled, then one of these three things will happen: * The other driver, who's at fault, has fled. You sue your own insurance company. * The other driver has minimal insurance and no assets. You sue your own insurance company (and the other guy). * You don't carry the appropriate insurance with your own insurance company and have no chance to recover much. Things would be much easier for everyone, including the drivers and the insueres, if the mandatory liability insurance was abolished and evryone delt with their own insurer - who would then try to recover damages from the other party if they had assets. The only people who benefits from the existing system are state bureaucrats. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Dark Fiber Redux
by Dan.Oelke＠rdxsunhost.aud.alcatel.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > The implications for cryptography are rather cool. I don't *think* these > doped optical amplifiers interfere with so-called quantum cryptography (not > to be confused with quantum computing, of course). If I remember my SciAm > back issues, quantum crypto is cool, because if anyone touches the signal > from Alice to Bob they're detected immediately. Or, is it that the signal > drops? Can't remember which. Anyway, you need uninterrupted fiber to do QC, > and that's what you have with optical non-switched amplification, whether > you're disturbing the photons is another story. Anyone here know for sure? > I remember discussion about this, but I don't remember the answer. > I am not an expert in the *exact* physics of quantum crypto or of optical amplifiers, but I do have a least a college "modern physics" level of understanding of both. (and write software for a lot of fiber optics hardware) Quantum Crypto depends on the fact that you can't observe the photons without disturbing them, and that this disturbance would be detectable at the receiver. (i.e. Heisenberg's uncertainty principle at work) Optical Amplifiers work by receiving a relatively small number of photons, and passing them through a device where each photon creates in effect a cascade of photons to be generated thereby amplifying the signal. Now, this cascade mechanism in itself might be enough "measurement" to cause problems - but I don't know - and won't persue this avenue further. The problem is that while the waveform will be propagated, the orignal photons won't necessarily make it from one end to the other. Without these original photons making the entire journey I don't see how the quantum crypto would work. There are also pratical limitations on the number of optical amplifiers you can have in a system before having an electrical regenerator. Typical numbers are around 5 amplifiers, eaching going about 80km. This doesn't allow for around the world pure glass communications. ;-( Dan -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Oelke - droelke(a)aud.alcatel.com Alcatel Telecom, Richardson, TX There's a Wocket in my Pocket, And a Findow in my Window, And a Nook Gase in my Book Case

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RE: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Declan McCullagh The short answer, perhaps, is that government should as a general rule adopt those policies that allow the greatest freedom over the long term. Private social pressure from families and communities may then develop into a more powerful force. ..................................................... There are limits to what can be accomplished through government. 'Government' is a coercive medium for effecting results; if everything could be accomplished by coercion, then it would rightly be expected that everything (everyone) should be always to be subject to coercion in order to have a smoothly running social machine. But if everything (all the benefits that people expect from social arrangements) could be accomplished by coercion, we wouldn't be the kind of life forms that we are. We would be the equivalent of "technology", subject to someone (else's) latest algorithmic program. Certainly under such an arrangement there would be no need for privacy. .. Blanc

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Dia_Press_Release.Donegan_Web_Project
by List-Owner 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dia Center for the Arts press release 3/12/97 Cheryl Donegan: Studio Visit Studio Visit, a work for the world wide web by Cheryl Donegan, will be launched on March 20, 1997, at http://www.diacenter.org/donegan/. For Studio Visit, Donegan has put together a visually rich and playful interface constructed from imagery she has utilized in her studio practice. Film frames, TV screens, thumb prints, detergent bottles, and Newport cigarettes advertising campaign are some of the sources of the motifs she adopted and recreated for the site. Studio Visit also includes a series of images of Donegan at work in her studio over the course of a day. Opting for "low-tech" tricks, she has created an interactive experience from a combination of gif animations, frames, refreshes, mouse-overs and other devices inherent to the web. Donegans previous work has encompassed video, painting and performance, often putting an ironic and irreverent spin on conventions of art practice and art history. For example, several of her videos portray the artist executing simple, conceptual performances which result in paintings or drawings generated by various parts of her body. In Studio Visit, Donegan has transformed her experimentation with the language of painting into the medium of the web with wit and humor. Cheryl Donegan was born in New Haven, Connecticut in 1962, and studied at the Rhode Island School of Design in Providence and at Hunter College in New York. Her first one-person show was at the Elizabeth Koury Gallery in New York in 1993, with more recent solo exhibitions at Basilico Fine Arts in New York, Galerie Rizzo in Paris, and currently, at the Baumgartner Gallery in Washington, D.C. She has exhibited widely in group shows in the United States and Europe. One of her works is currently on view at the Museum of Modern Art in "Young and Restless," an exhibition of contemporary video art by young artists working in New York City. Dia Center for the Arts is a tax-exempt charitable organization. Established in 1974, the organization has become one of the largest in the United States dedicated to contemporary art and contemporary culture. In fulfilling this commitment, Dia sustains diverse programming in poetry, arts education, and critical discourse and debate via lectures and symposia. In addition, it maintains on a long-term basis works of art not easily accommodated by conventional museums. Dia serves as a conduit for realizing these projects, as intimated by the Greek word from which it takes its name. Dias long-term projects include Joseph Beuyss 7000 Oaks; Walter De Marias The Broken Kilometer, The Lightning Field, and The New York Earth Room; La Monte Young and Marian Zazeelas Dream House and The Dan Flavin Art Institute; Cy Twombly Gallery; and the Andy Warhol Museum. Current programs are supported in part by funds from the National Endowment for the Arts; the New York State Council on the Arts; and the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs; The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Federal Republic of Germany through the German Consulate General of New York; Axe-Houghton Foundation; The Bohen Foundation; The Brown Foundation; The Cowles Charitable Trust; The Getty Grant Program; The Graham Foundation for Advanced Studies in the Fine Arts; Lannan Foundation; Robert Lehman Foundation, Inc.; The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation; Arthur Ross Foundation; The Juliet Lea Hillman Simonds Foundation; Lila Acheson Wallace Theater Fund at Community Funds, Inc.; AT&T; Calvin Klein, Inc.; The Chase Manhattan Bank; Hachette Filipacchi Magazines; Philip Morris Companies Inc.; Tag Heuer; Wenner Media Inc.; and the individual members of the Dia Art Council. For information about this and other Dia programs, please contact Jennie Prebor at tel: (212) 989-5566, fax: (212) 989-4055, e-mail: jennie(a)diacenter.org Dia Center for the Arts 542 West 22nd Street, New York, NY http://www.diacenter.org To unsubscribe from this list, please send a message to webmaster(a)diacenter.org with "unsubscribe press list" in the subject.

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No Subject
by Voters Telecommunications Watch 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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ADV Weekly Transcripts
by advinfo＠dreamon.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--------------------------------------------------------------- American Dissident Voices is a world wide radio program which deals with topics of interest that concern people of European descent. We hope that these weekly articles will offer the reader an opposing viewpoint to the major news media. If you would like to unsubscribe to this service, please e-mail advinfo(a)dreamon.com. For more information visit the National Alliance web site at http://www.natall.com. For patriotic books, tapes and videos, visit National Vanguard Books Online Catalog at http://www.natvan.com/cgi-bin/nvbctlg.txt?url=www.natall.com -------------------------------------------- American Dissident Voices Online Radio http://www.natall.com/radio/radio.html It's Genocide by Robert Thompson Those who listen regularly to this program know that I am steadfastly opposed to what is called "The New World Order," that is, I am opposed to the establishment of world government under the United Nations and other international entities. The establishment of world government, which is taking place now and has been taking place since the War to Impose the New World Order ended in 1945, will mean the end of American freedom. We have reached the point where the President of the United States feels more obligated to obtain United Nations permission for US military action than he feels obligated to obtain authorization from Congress. Since we are so far down this dangerous road, I think it is wise to step back and look at the ostensible purposes of the United Nations, and how well its actions stand up to its professed principles. One of those professed principles is opposition to genocide, that is, the attempted destruction of a people. Let us look at the UN definition of genocide. The following quote is from the United Nations "Genocide Convention": "Acts Constituting Genocide "Article II "In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such: "(a) Killing members of the group; "(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; "(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; "(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; "(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." Genocide, by the above definition, applies to national groups, including Americans; and ethnic groups, including people of European descent in the United States and South Africa; as much as any other groups. It is my contention that the people of European descent of this world are the targets of a constant, consistent, systematic, sustained campaign of genocide, with the intention of humiliating, subjugating, and eventually eliminating our people. This is being accomplished on two levels: by means of both overt and covert government coercion; and by means of both an open psychological warfare campaign and, using sophisticated psywar techniques, a subliminal psywar campaign. Think about racial integration. The laws which formerly protected the freedom of association of different racial groups, who in all of recorded history have shown a strong tendency to segregate themselves and evinced a strong desire to live among their own kind and by their own values, were all reversed by illegal decrees of a leftist Supreme Court, until today freedom of association is virtually illegal, except, so far, in the bedroom. All human societies, and indeed all forms of higher life on this planet, require an exclusive territory for their survival. Nations and species both defend their territories, sometimes unto death, because that truth is graven upon their hearts at a very deep, instinctual level. It is this inner knowledge of the need for an exclusive territory that makes us naturally group together along ethnic lines and makes our young men willing to fight and die to keep our territory -- our country -- for ourselves. We cannot survive unless we have a territory exclusively our own. Integration takes that away from us. According to section C of the Genocide Convention, genocide is "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part." One look at the interracial murder and interracial rape statistics put out by the FBI is enough for any reasonable person to see that Americans of European descent have been under a constant physical assault, due in no small part to the promotion of "integration." And "integration" has destroyed our criminal justice system; the guilty often go unpunished or the innocent are persecuted, not on the basis of the evidence, but based on the racial composition of the jury, which is acknowledged even by the news media to be one of the most important factors in the outcome of a trial. One particularly horrible consequence of "integration" is the forced taking of our innocent little children, some of them only five years old, and bussing them into the Third World war zones that so many of our cities have become; or bussing the warring gangs into our neighborhoods -- all in the name of "integration." According to section E of the Genocide Convention, genocide is defined as "Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group." Even though decent and thoughtful members of many races have been against it from the beginning, our masters are now accelerating a push to promote interracial adoption as a government policy, opposition to which will be punishable by law. This also fits the definition of genocide under section E. Section B of the Genocide Convention defines genocide as "Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group." We have discussed bodily harm -- what about mental harm? To be healthy, every child and every adult must have a positive sense of identity. In the United States, our schools used to teach our children about the positive contributions of our race, which founded America and Western Civilization itself. We taught our children to respect the cultures of other peoples, yes, but also to revere and honor our people's achievements, from the Iliad to Shakespeare, from Stonehenge to the transistor to the walk on the moon. And they were acknowledged as OUR achievements! But under the current regime of Political Correctness it is considered evil to acknowledge the fact that ours is a European civilization. Our achievements may not be mentioned in class or textbook unless in the same breath an African, an Oriental, or a lesbian Communist is given equal billing, and historical accuracy be damned! The desire of people to live among their own kind is called "racism," and guilt for this imagined sin is inculcated among our young people in almost every book, television program, motion picture or even computer game that is made available to them. They are told that their ancestors, who built America and the West, were wrong and that only the Communist-inspired "civil rights" revolution of the last few decades has finally set things right. They are spoon-fed a moral outlook on the world in which anything which tends to the survival and advancement of White Americans is deemed evil, and everything which tends to our extinction is deemed good, by definition. This alien morality, which does no race any good except our self-appointed masters, has grievously injured two entire generations of our people. It is sick -- it is evil -- and it is undoubtedly genocide -- "causing serious mental harm to the members of the group." Section D of the Genocide Convention defines genocide as "imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group." Ask yourself this question: What has been the demographic result of all the so-called "feminist" agitation of the last few decades? Has it resulted in a significant reduction in the numbers of the Third Worlders now crowding our cities? Are illegal Mexican immigrant women or inner city welfare mothers now taking up careers and foregoing children until they're nearly forty? Or is it traditional European-American women who have decided that there are things more important than the creation and raising of the next generation of our people? We as a people are not even replacing ourselves. We are starting our families later if at all, and few women have the three children necessary to maintain our numbers. The promotion of abortion on demand has also made little dent in the mushrooming population of non-Americans within our borders, but it has convinced many millions of our own people that slaying their children in the womb, for no better reason than personal convenience, is a good and laudable idea. A whole generation has thus been killed and will never see the light of day -- yet another reason why the portion of the population of European descent is in precipitous decline. Other anti-birth policies include the media and government campaigns to promote and legitimize homosexuality. Is there an identifiable power structure within America which is "imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group"? You bet there is! We have not yet addressed section A of the convention, "killing members of the group," but when the New World Order boys have succeeded in disarming us we shall see what their intentions really are in that regard. Also ongoing is a slow war against us now being waged in our inner cities; and there is also the fact, exposed many times on this program, that most of the wars of this century have been engineered for the benefit of the New World Order elitists -- and it is our fathers, brothers, and sons who do the dying. Is multi-racialism genocide? Yes it is. Is multi-culturalism genocide? Yes it is. Is teaching minorities self esteem while teaching Whites "sensitivity" genocide? Yes it is. Is diversity indoctrination genocide? Yes it is. Is toleration of illegal immigration genocide? Yes it is. Is any non-White immigration, except perhaps for diplomatic and consular representatives, genocide? Yes it is. Do anti-discrimination laws constitute genocide? Yes they do. Do "hate crime" laws constitute genocide? Yes they do. Does support of convenience abortion constitute genocide? Yes it does. Does promotion of homosexuality constitute genocide? Yes it does. Is suppression of information on racial differences genocide? Yes it is. Is inhibiting research on racial differences genocide? Yes it is. Is "affirmative action" genocide? Yes it is. Is the subliminal or overt promotion of interracial sex on TV genocide? Yes it is. Does failure to provide equal media time to Whites to further their cause, constitute genocide? Yes it does. Does the undermining of loyalty of White Americans to their own people constitute genocide? Yes it does. Does undermining the sovereignty of our nation and the promotion of world government constitute genocide? Yes it does. It is not necessary to use gas chambers to commit genocide. Some of our own people, in order to gain favor with a treacherous and disloyal elite, find it to their own advantage to sacrifice the integrity of our country and our people, for money or power. Some of our people would rather surrender and grovel than fight. As long as they are able to go along to get along, they pretend to ignore the decay and collapse of our civilization brought about as a direct result of the genocidal program being imposed upon us. I believe the day is coming when they must answer for their treason. If that day does come, and I believe it will, they will find their answers falling on deaf ears. "Treason, how be it punished...?" Those who promote the New World Order today are the spiritual and in some cases the physical cousins of those who founded Communism. Though the overtly Communist attempt at world government foundered on its economic failures, we make a big mistake if we think that the danger is passed. Those who created Communism in the first place as an instrument for world control are very much alive, and their evil dream of world government is now being achieved. They have always been friendly toward Communism, though they favor its objectives secretly. They use code words like "restoring democracy" while they impose Communist tyrannies on South Africa and Haiti. They hate all races, but they especially hate our race -- for our nations, once awakened, have the potential for defeating their evil schemes. Let us see whether or not the current plan for "integration" matches Communist objectives. England's leading Communist writer in the early part of the twentieth century had long range plans for the race problem. He had this to say in his book, A Racial Program for the 20th Century, as printed in the Congressional Record for 1957, page 8559: "In America, we will aim for a subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavour to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise to prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negroes will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause." Well, there it is. Straight from the horse's mouth. I want you to pay particular attention to the statement, and I emphasize: "...we will endeavour to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes." Despite the fall of the Soviet Union, the Soviet psychological warfare people, with the help of their agents of influence in the West, have succeeded beyond their wildest dreams. Now, I personally believe it is time to undo, by every legal means possible, the greatest Soviet psychological warfare triumph. In fact it is the greatest triumph for any psychological warfare campaign ever waged -- racial "integration" in the United States. Of course the Communists' powerful allies helped, and these "helpers" are very much with us today in America. In 1928 Communist writer Joseph Pogany was sent to the United States by Moscow with the mission of implementing the Soviet racial agenda in America. Writing in the Communist newspaper, The Daily Worker, under the name of Joseph Schwartz, this Communist laid out his party's program for the racial destruction of this country. The program was: "1. Abolition of the whole system of race discrimination and insure full racial equality; "2. Insure the Negroes the right to vote; "3. Abolish all Jim Crow laws and forbid discrimination against Negroes in selling or renting houses; "4. Abolish all laws forbidding intermarriage of persons of different races; "5. Assure full integration of public schools and universities; " 6. The equal admittance of Negroes to railway stations, waiting rooms, hotels, restaurants and theaters; "7. Full integration of the Army and Navy; "8. Allow Negroes to join all labor unions; "9. Equal employment opportunities for Negroes." Now, do these measures have a familiar ring to them? Of course they do. This is what became the American "civil rights" movement. This was the blueprint. People tell us that "integration" will make us a better and stronger country. Do you believe that the Soviets would have done anything to make our country stronger or better? Do you expect me to believe that? To anyone who was gullible enough to accept all or any part of this agenda I say this: Lenin had an expression for you. He would refer to those in the West who consciously or unconsciously served Soviet interests as his "useful idiots." At this point we can expect to hear the whines, the bleats, and the snivels: "I don't care if we were led by the nose on the race issue by the Communists, it was right!" If you think that our fractured and disintegrating society is better even for the Blacks than the strong, confident, prosperous and peaceful America before the "civil rights" revolution then you are truly living in a dream world. Forced "integration" of widely differing peoples never works -- it only destroys. History abounds with examples. Remember, most of the Third World people who have been encouraged and allowed to come here are not America's real enemies. They are only taking advantage of a situation created by America's enemies. Their culture and survival, too, are in peril from the New World Order multicultural agenda. America's enemies are those who created and are pushing that agenda. To oppose the genocidal program of the New World Order, we must say some things that our masters have decided we are not supposed to say. They want to homogenize us all and destroy all races and nations to fulfil their dream of world conquest. To destroy national and racial identity and feelings is their number one goal -- because such feelings are the major stumbling block in the path of "one world." Instead of armies, in America our enemies have conquered us by infiltration of our government and our media -- they have conquered our minds -- but they have not conquered all of us. Some of us know that we must oppose the genocide of our people. We know in our hearts that we are not "haters," and that our struggle for freedom and independence is not based on a hatred of others or other cultures, for which we of course should show due respect, but based instead upon a love for our children, and their children, and the uncounted generations to come, and on a determination that the light represented by our Western civilization shall never be extinguished. ~ For more information or to find out how you can join the leading patriotic organization in the world today, visit the National Alliance web site and read "What is the National Alliance" at http://www.natvan.com/WHAT/WHATDIR.HTML.

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US Spies Vacuum Germany
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This week's Spiegel has a three-page follow-up article on the CIA spy: Der Spiegel No. 12 / 1997, pp. 34-36. Espionage / "Dinner for Two" For almost three years, a CIA agent has pumped a Head of Unit in Bonn's Economy Ministry. The US agencies' wild actions no longer are taboo. The official Klaus Dieter von Horn, 60, ex officio is on the guard of spies - the Superior Counsellor in the Economy Ministry is responsible for the Arabian area. As the head of unit VB7 - that concentrates on Iran - knows, spies from the Near East, but also from other areas, take a keen interest in the files on his desk. Nevertheless, at first the official did not pay much attention to Geoffry Plant's efforts. After all, he was in diplomatic duty of the big brother USA. Horn and Plant got to know each other late in 1994, and the American invited the German to a dinner for two every three or four weeks. The US embassy's IInd Secretary liked to chat about his employer and kept asking even more questions about Horn's ministry. He had Horn explain the political background of the Mykonos lawsuit, and was interested in the Hermes credits to Iran. When Bonn in August 1995 asked Iran to send two employees of their office in Bonn on vacation without return tickets because they had been unveiled as spies, Plant wanted to know all details. Another time, he politely asked for a list of those firms that deliver all sorts of goods, especially high tech, to the Mullahs' state. The Ministerial Counsellor remained courteous, but refused: He was not allowed to hand over those papers, Plant surely knew that? The American did understand, but he would not give up. Last year in May, he again invited Horn to dinner. He was leaving the embassy, he said, and on farewell still handed over a Montblanc pen of almost 300 DM worth. Also, he introduced his successor: Peyton K Humphries, a diplomat working on Iran. Plant asked him not to forget that name. That was for granted. Other authorities were already awaiting the US embassy's new second secretary with large interest: The German intelligence agencies wanted to check if the Americans were willing to continue the agents game in diplomatic undercover. Because already in Summer 1995, after the first talks with Plant, wary Horn had contacted the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) and the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz (BfV). Obviously, he reported, American spies were assigned to him. He correctly informed the BfV about the various meetings and also handed over presents such as pens and champagne. Then, as Humphries queried him about the ongoing construction of the nuclear power plant of Busher after his return from a trip to Teheran, Horn described the US interest in full detail. What was happening there, was a textbook case to the BfV agent hunters: Spies from a foreign power wanted to recruit a German top official. It is the spy school's ABC to first give the source test orders such as obtaining material from an open source - as in Horn's case. Also typical: The German was supposed not to talk to anyone about the encounters, including US embassy staff. Humphries: "There are two competing camps." The CIA and the embassy's economy department don't get on well with each other. After the German counterespionage experts had dropped all plans to crack the US embassy that lies at the Rhine like a fortress at Deichmanns Aue 29, or to tap Humphries' telephone, in this February BfV head Peter Frisch talked to the head of the CIA in Bonn, Floyd L Paseman. Humphries, Frisch demanded, was to leave the country, the Chancellor's Office and the Foreign Office were annoyed. Paseman denied espionage, but assured that the CIA agent would leave until May 30. He insistently asked to handle the incident most discreetly. It failed. Since Der Spiegel reported first details about the snooping last week, the relations between the goverment and Washington are not free from irritations. In the US, comparisons were made with France kicking out four CIA agents in 1995. "Why do the United States spy out their friends?" the Wall Street Journal asked. "Shame", said the Chicago Tribune's editorial. Washington still treated Germany as an agents center like "in the age of Cold War". The timid in Bonn now are afraid of trouble with the big brother. But there also is relief. Kicking the CIA man out gives the chance to no longer treat espionage among friends as a taboo. Six and a half years after re-unification and the end of the allied forces' privileges in Germany, the Germans in the conspirative area still are not the masters of their own house. Still, some Western agencies - the Americans at the head - act like in their own backyard. Hortensie I, the BND's synonym for the CIA, and Hortensie III, as the most sinister American intelligence agency, the National Security Agency (NSA) is referred to, resemble the flower of the same name: a shrublike plant with strong roots. The "friendly agencies" are increasingly active in the capital, Berlin's Secretary of State of the Interior Kuno Böse (CDU) reported in February. In mid-February, the heads of the Offices for the Protection of the Constitution met in Bad Neuenahr to "re-structure counter-intelligence". "Focussing on the East", they noted as item 4, "would not correspond to political reality any more". Looking to the West shows surprising activity: More than 1,000 wiretap technicians and 100 professional US agents bustle about in Germany, security experts estimate. 20 intelligence officers are suspected in the American embassy at the Rhine alone. The friendly power's spies are in consulates, allied supreme command, and barracks. They try to recruit agents in Germany, they tap sources without consultation, and whoever uses a telephone between the Alps and the Baltic Sea must be aware that the NSA be switched in - attention, the friend is listening. Before 1990, the American eavesdroppers were ubiquitious. They maintained a listening post on the mountain Teufelsberg in Berlin, to listen to East Berlin, and probably the West as well. In Frankfort am Main, close to the Zeil, there was another impressive listening post. In the Lech plain near Gablingen, the Americans constructed a powerful circular antenna grid - some 300 meters of diameter and 100 meters of heigth. Upside, they were listening on short wave to the Eastern generals' orders. What they were doing in the underground, has remained their secret. The Teufelsberg has been left, as the Americans moved further to the East. The Frankfort subsidiary has also been closed, and Gablingen will be given up next year. But the Americans' pride, their "giant ear" in Germany, will remain, and it makes the ordinary wiretap look rather ordinary. The site is located in Bad Aibling, Upper Bavaria. In an idyllic landscape, the empire of Hortesie III extends immensely. Gigantic antenna facilities that in their covers rise above the plain like huge gulf balls are eavesdropping Russian military. Russian sattelites are tapped, the telephone traffic directed to the formerly Soviet army is recorded. Right next to it, in the German Mangfall barrack, resides the BND's so-called long distance radio traffic site. It (object "Orion") may use the American antennae, nearly 100 eavesdroppers are analyzing the cyrillic babel of speech. But the peace is deceptive. The intelligence empire NSA (estimated budget: 3.5 billion dollar, about 100,000 employees) maintains a large complex in Bad Aibling that is terra incognita to the German agencies. By far, it is not just about the legitimate American safety interests. In the midst of Germany, there is a control center for the many American espionage sattelites that, according to a security expert in Bonn, "long since do not only spy out the East". The celestial bodies of American origin circulating in close orbit suck in electronic signals above Germany like a huge vacuum cleaner. With encrypted signals, Bad Aibling queries the memory of the satellites and searches the collected phone conversations, faxes and computer traffic for interesting stuff. Until 1995 the site officially used the name of the NSA. To keep up appearances, then a US Air Force lieutenant colonel took over command, the military flag is demonstratively fluttering in the wind. But still more than 1,000 eavesdroppers are working in the huge complex, according to BND estimates. Estimated 150 of them are directly from the NSA that does the controlling and sets the tasks. In spite of many inquiries, Hortensie III has strictly denied to exchange all information from "non-military intelligence". The BND, they argue, can offer nothing of comparable value. But it probably is more about not telling the Germans what they really do. If American and German security experts are right, European companies are systematically spied out from Bad Aibling. Years ago, US president Bill Clinton decreed American agencies to larger commitment in economic espionage. When the European airplane giant Airbus Industries, of which Germany holds 37.9%, was competing for a large Saudi Arabian contract with two US groups, the NSA intervened. It intercepted all faxes and phone conversations between Airbus and the Saudis. So, the Americans knew their opponent and their offers were unbeatable - after all the orders valued at six billion dollars. While the British and French to a certain extend respect Germany's souvereignty, the Americans, who had brought up the BND, behave like a victor power. They insist on supplementary agreements on intelligence cooperation with "the allied forces". Thus, the Germans must respect "necessities of military safety" of Nato contingents here. There is much room for secretive manners in German territory. In its "Westport" office in the East of Munich, the CIA until now maintains a so-called inquiry office. The Americans ask asylum-seeking refugees and emigrants from whom they expect informaition to come to Munich from all Germany. Pro forma, the BND is asked for endorsement, but the talks usually take place without German participation, and the BND does not learn about possible CIA recruitments. The Americans are questioning deserted Russian soldiers, war refugees from former Yugoslavia, and asylum-seekers from the Near East. The VIPs of them are offered asylum in the USA. Even applicants from overseas are brought to the experts in Munich for interrogation. For a long time, German politics have ignored the activities of the rogue agency. In autumn 1994, the Chancellor's Office installed a working group, strictly confidential of course, to get the American and other friendly agencies under control. Three ministries and three intelligence agencies were sitting at the table, headed by Rudolf Dolzer, professor of international law, at that time Head of Unit in the Chancellor's Office. "What they are doing here is not possible", Dolzer got exited. "They must comply with law and oder." The group boldly planned to prohibit the Americans from interrogating asylum-seekers without German participation, in Bad Aibling BND specialists should watch the NSA, recruiting sources should be prohibited. After all - they concluded - espionage activities also from friendly states are not politically protected. In 1995, their will of protection suddenly vanished. Distances between meetings grew longer, finally the Chancellor's Office didn't send out invitations any more. Above all, the BfV that already had created lists with names of suspicious agents was disappointed. "Someone on the very top must have pulled the plug", someone from an intelligence agency says. It is dubious if the case of CIA agent Humphries will cause with the Americans to change their policy. At least, friendship with America means a big deal to Helmut Kohl who does not consider the intelligence business especially important. The Chancellor is not even scared by the sinister NSA. He does have telephones that are guaranteed to be wiretap-proof. Even when he is on vacation at the Wolfgangsee [in Austria], the BND always installs a device which not even the NSA can crack. But the secure devices have one important drawback: First the partner has to stop speaking before you can speak yourself. That is why the Chancellor to the displeasure of the security people prefers the old telephone - a friend trusts a friend. [End] Thanks to anonymous. For earlier reports on US spying in Germany: http://jya.com/despon.txt http://jya.com/ciaami.txt http://jya.com/really.txt

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[Humor] Dogs and Computers
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Top 20 Reasons Dogs Don't Use Computers [20] Can't stick their heads out of Windows '95. [19] Fetch command not available on all platforms. [18] Hard to read the monitor with your head cocked to one side. [17] Too difficult to "mark" every website they visit. [16] Can't help attacking the screen when they hear "You've Got Mail." [15] Fire hydrant icon simply frustrating. [14] Involuntary tail wagging is dead giveaway they're browsing www.pethouse.com instead of working. [13] Keep bruising noses trying to catch that MPEG frisbee. [12] Not at all fooled by Chuckwagon Screen Saver. [11] Still trying to come up with an "emoticon" that signifies tail-wagging. [10] Oh, but they WILL... with the introduction of the Microsoft Opposable Thumb. [09] Three words: Carpal Paw Syndrome [08] 'Cause dogs ain't GEEKS! Now, cats, on the other hand... [07] Barking in next cube keeps activating YOUR voice recognition software. [06] SmellU-SmellMe still in beta test. [05] SIT and STAY were hard enough, GREP and AWK are out of the question! [04] Saliva-coated mouse gets mighty difficult to manuever. [03] Annoyed by lack of newsgroup, alt.pictures.master's.leg. [02] Butt-sniffing more direct and less deceiving than online chat rooms. and the Number 1 Reason Dogs Don't Use Computers... [01] TrO{gO DsA[M,bN HyAqR4tDc TgrOo TgYPmE WeIjTyH P;AzWqS,. | ,@ __|-. ,_~o/ \/ | Through the router, off the switch, |/ | down the cable, nothing but net. / > | ' ` | The @Home slam dunk | __________________|

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Re: ADV Weekly Transcripts
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mark Hedges wrote: > America's births were at 2.1 per female. > Some nonindustrialized countries were as high as 7.4 per female, > average. > > Most of my friends and lovers are of races other than white (my race), > and I am proud of this fact. Their diverse experience brings to me > stories and tales of foreign lifestyles from which I can learn. John Gilmore's envy of Dr. Vulis came from the fact that Dr. Vulis was bringing 7.4 new riff-raff to the list, for every 2.1 crypto subscribers brought to the list by Gilmore. Thus Gilmore removed him from the list, in an attempt to limit the diverse experience the riff-raff have to share via their stories and tales of riff-raff lifestyles from which we all can learn. Shame on Gilmore for his CypherPunk Supremacist philosophy which strove to inhibit the immigration of those from more unfortunate lists where logic and reason were in short supply. -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: > > Igor asked a one-line question, and I gave a one-line answer. I don't > intend to debate libertarian or ethical theory here. You don't like Russians, do you? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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No Subject
by Verification message sender 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Cypherpunks pointers
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:06 PM 3/15/97 -0800, cookies_monsters(a)hotmail.com wrote: >I came accross the "Cypherpunks" link and I wanted to know more? Can you tell >me where to get more information. I have little clue as to what this outfit >does. Thanks. Sorry for the delay; it's been a busy week. I'll forward you a couple of articles that have come out recently. The original Cypherpunks archive is on www.csua.berkeley.edu/cypherpunks, which has good stuff though it hasn't been updated recently. Tim May's Cyphernomicon is a great summary, available in one or more pieces. Cypherpunks started as a discussion group, which became a mailing list, for people interested in cryptographic and computer techniques for protecting privacy; if you can convince the government to pass laws protecting privacy, or refrain from passing laws attacking it, you're only protected until the next Congresscritter or bureaucrat feels like writing a new law - but if you develop and publish software that lets you protect your conversations with strong crypto, they're secure until the laws of mathematics change (happens occasionally :-). "Cypherpunks write code." Cypherpunks also debug code - sometimes your crypto software is only secure until the next implementation bug gets found. Some of the interesting work that cypherpunks have done has been popularizing and enhancing PGP, developing remailers, cracking 40-bit crypto and other weak government-imposed limits, finding bugs in the Clipper chip, and finding bugs in Netscape and MSIE. A perennial topic is digital cash, which is an important part of a free economy in cyberspace, and many cypherpunks have either worked on, or with, or around (:-) David Chaum's Digicash company; www.digicash.com. Getting on the list - the list used to be on toad.com, but has since migrated to several places, which will eventually be gatewayed together into some joint mailing list. cypherpunks-request(a)cyberpass.net will point you to the information for cyberpass.net, which is probably the mailbot majordomo(a)sirius.infonex.com. cypherpunks-request(a)algebra.com will another section, and alt.cypherpunks is a Usenet group. Some related lists can be found at coderpunks-request(a)toad.com and cryptography-request(a)c2.net. Archives - AltaVista knows where the archives live.... Good places to look for software include ftp.ox.ac.uk and ftp.funet.fi. ftp.pgp.net will pick a random non-US location that carries PGP. www.pgp.com is PGP, Inc.'s US-based web site. www.rsa.com has been known to carry interesting material as well. John Young posts all sorts of interesting news to the list; see www.jya.com. Many strange things end up in the incoming directory on replay.com. news://nntp.hks.net and infinity.nus.sg have also carried archives in the past. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199703182356.XAA02032(a)mailhub.amaranth.com>, on 03/18/97 at 08:39 PM, Alec <camcc(a)abraxis.com> said: >Not in every case do the parents have the right to determine what >treatment shall be performed or whether it shall occur at all. More often >than not the courts have allowed medical treatment for the child who is >not able to consent to such treatment for himself. >In many instances courts have stepped in to authorize blood transfusions >for children of Jehovah's Witnesses, who follow Biblical injunctions not >to "eat" blood (Gen. 9:4). Recently the Church of Christ Scientist [?] has >been under societal and governmental attack for insisting on substituting >healers for medical teams even in cases of children afflicted by cancer >accompanied by apparently unbearable pain. >Parents most certainly are not the only ones to determine the welfare of >their children; society has assumed a significant role and typically moves >to protect the child from the parents or from the _beliefs_ of the >parents. Just because the government subverts the RIGHTS of the parents does not mean that the parents do not have those rights. A parent is the sole person who has a *RIGHT* to determine the welfair of their childern. You do not have that right, I do not have that right, the government does not have that right. To beleive that the government should "protect" a child from the beliefs of its parents is truly FASISTS/COMMUNIST/STATIST (pick you flavor they are all the same <G>). I as a parent have the sole right to determine what religon to teach my children, how to rase my children, how to teach my children, how to reward my children and how to punish my children PERIOD. Perhaps you should take your STATIST tendicies over to alt.hitler.fanclub as they are quite out of place here. "When the wants of society override the rights of the individule that society must die" -- whgiii - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii(a)amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: I'm an OS/2 developer...I don't NEED a life! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: Registered User E-Secure v1.1 ES000000 iQCVAwUBMy+K649Co1n+aLhhAQG7nAP/Y4hrT/SVyNr9xYOe/5pyERD00dMzOtNw W16+9Sx9ZAge7NCbpHP9nOvYOHJ5sZqjUzgJrrqoEWgE9Mm16dBKBbYZzs86/u3u rLxb2MK9pAzWgikFe45Gb9Rfv/mDyFQz/rx9iBSE46lJ/B/7w9AaFNdgGnXzDruf d/obdF244mc= =iPaz -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In, on 03/18/97 at 10:07 PM, Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> said: >William H. Geiger III wrote: >> dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) said: >> >Suppose X chooses to innoculate their kids and Y chooses not to innoculate >> >their kids against, say, polio; and Y's kids get it. They're not going to >> >give it to someone whose parents chose to innoculate them. (This is a kind >> >of borderline example, not unlike circumcision. The individual affected >> >by the choice is too young to understand what it's all about, but doesn't >> >want to be stuck with a needle. Why are the parents more qualified to make >> >decisions for him than the state?) >> The issue of who is more qualified is irrelevent. >> The parents are the ONLY ones who have a right to determin the welfare of >> their childern. If the parents determin that the risks of reaction to the >> innoculation outways the benifits that choice is their's and their's alone. >I inherited three kids (9, 11, and 13) in November, and am starting to get >used to the schools' intrusions just now. So far, I've prepared one form >for the kids to hand to the teacher when there is an off-campus trip >scheduled. Like who's driving, are they certified by the school board, >chaperones (who are they), etc. >Recently they did a surprise dental inspection of the youngest kid. I'm >preparing a form to tell the schools that any certification they require >on the kids as to health, etc. will be provided by our doctors, not >theirs, so the kids can skip their inspections. So far I haven't met with >any serious opposition, but who knows? >(I'm informing them that I'm a Puritan, and follow very strict religious >practices) >Today's Long Beach paper had an extensive article on "pregnancy counciling >support groups" for sixth grade girls (in Santa Ana?), and the "support >groups" were mandatory. Religious fundamentalists are certain to hit the >ceiling on this one - not just the increase in sexual awareness aspect, >but the hoodoo-voodoo aspect of a "support" group that smacks of New Age >practices (their article, not mine). According to the article, the groups >have an amazing record, i.e., pregnancies down by 80% or more among the >teenage girls. Well the best way to aviod all this is to "Home School". In the end they will get a much better education and they woun't turn out to be lock-step robots for the STATE. This requires a two parent home though (politically incorrect these days) and a wife with a few brain cells. :) The next best thing is a private school but even they are being corrupted by all this touchy feely crap. Still better than sending them to the STATE'S reeducation centers. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii(a)amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: I don't do Windows, but OS/2 does. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv Comment: Registered User E-Secure v1.1 ES000000 iQCVAwUBMy+NIY9Co1n+aLhhAQEtcwP9ErQCp0JxgBjubj3nKqDWToTgnshaokwY FDazEqRECwxCxMcxpZqolQsfqrge73ZD20464eunY+fvMQQRtttWXco4s30FYyX5 of3HIlkJs9TmJNZeWq+234uPGlXNyOoLJNJNlZ+6yBo1GwDU+mABqCLn2JL/jEuM pei59wOFWoE= =utH9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

snow wrote: > So, parents should be allowed to: > 1) Beat their children on a daily basis, because it is good for them. > 2) Refuse to educate their children _at all_ because Knowlege is the > devils work. > 3) Not clothe their children at all beause God Will Provide. > 4) Teach their children how to perform Oral, Anal, and "straight" sex > because they need to learn it someday? Mom? Is that you, mom? Where did you go with that sailor? -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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WebWorld 1-2
by Bubba Rom Dos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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lambda 3.01 - Your Customs Officer is Watching You
by Jerome Thorel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

lambda 3.01 contents: --> CDA countdown : The Supreme Court Has Some Clues on Knocking Down the CDA --> New in Cyberspace: The Frontiers Are Back! Your Customs Officer Is Watching You --> Crypto Update : France and the OECD * * * * * THE SUPREME COURT HAS SOME CLUES ON KNOCKING DOWN THE CDA Well before the U.S. Supreme Court hears arguments on the constitutionality of the CDA, David Sobel, EPIC's legal counsel, reminded the electronic community that the Court handed down a decisive decision two years ago. Excerpts from the EPIC Alert 4.04 newsletter herewith: --- begin fwd message --- To avoid potential criminal liability under the CDA's "indecency" provision, information providers would, in effect, be required to verify the identities and ages of all recipients of material that might be deemed inappropriate for children. If upheld, the statutory regime would thus result in the creation of "registration records" for tens of thousands of Internet sites, containing detailed descriptions of information accessed by particular recipients. These records would be accessible to law enforcement agencies and prosecutors investigating alleged violations of the statute. Such a regime would constitute a gross violation of Americans' rights to access information privately and anonymously. Two years ago, the Supreme Court upheld the right to anonymous speech in McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission. EPIC believes that the Court's rationale in that case applies with even greater force to the Internet "indecency" provisions now under review. The Court noted in McIntyre that: " The decision in favor of anonymity may be motivated by fear of economic or official retaliation, by concern about social ostracism, or merely by a desire to preserve as much of one's privacy as possible. ... "Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation -- and their ideas from suppression -- at the hand of an intolerant society." Whether the millions of individuals visiting sites on the Internet are seeking information on teenage pregnancy, AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases, classic works of literature or avant-garde poetry, they enjoy a Constitutional right to do so privately and anonymously. The Communications Decency Act seeks to destroy that right. If upheld, the CDA would render the Internet not only the most censored communications medium, but also the most heavily monitored. "EPIC is confident that upon review of the legislation and its impact upon free speech and privacy rights in emerging electronic media, the Supreme Court will affirm the lower court decision invalidating the CDA as fundamentally at odds with the Constitution." --- end fwd message --- The EPIC said that following the oral argument, the Reno v. ACLU plaintiffs and lawyers will hold a news conference to offer in-depth analysis and commentary (approximately 11:30 a.m. ET). The event will be cybercast live via RealAudio on the World Wide Web. Links to the cybercast will be available at: http://www.epic.org/cda/ and http://www.aclu.org/issues/cyber/trial/appeal.html * * * * * YOUR CUSTOMS OFFICER IS WATCHING YOU New in Cyberspace: The Frontiers Are Back! On March 6, the French security agency SCSSI gave its approval for a secured payment protocol called C-SET, or Chip-Secured Electronic Transaction. After one look at this European version of the US standard of SET, which will be completed this year, one might ask: "Why bother?" Your customs officer might well reply: "For me!" C-SET re-draws the boarders of the real world in cyberspace -- where national boundaries were scheduled to have been given up forever. Moreover, the system could easily be used to escrow private communications, because encrypted messages will be transmitted to a third party in order for police to have a lawful access to its secret key. The Intelligence Newsletter (http://www.indigo-net.com/intel.html) first reported in its Feb. 26 edition that C-SET could be used as a national shield for controlling money transfers, and thus be used as an intermediary between the law enforcement agencies, the vendor and the buyer. French security officials agreed to accept C-SET because it is compatible with future trusted third-party systems, dedicated to assuring national governments that all encrypted communications will be key-escrowed. "The French Finance Ministry has not yet decided to apply taxes and duties for online transactions, but C-SET is the adequate system to do that", says Claude Meggle, director of security at the French Groupement des Cartes Bancaires (a consortium of 200 French banks), the main architect of C-SET. "It is a way for national states to keep their sovereignty, without hindering international commerce". In France and other European countries, credit cards are so-called "smart cards." Embedded with microchips, it is a more secure way to authenticate -- and identify -- the buyer than a hand-written signature. The GCB was not fully satisfied by the SET standard, which "provides only software security as it doesn't include a smart card," the Intelligence Review reported. "As a result, the 'certificate' which enables a customer to be identified when making an electronic purchase is stored on his hard disk. This exposes it to all types of attack, and makes the system less than 'portable' -- the certificate is linked to the computer and not the person. The C-SET is exactly the opposite," the newsletter added. Hardware is needed to use C-SET; a PIN-number pad manufactured by state-owned Bull's smart card division CP8 will be sold for less than 500 FF (US$100), Meggle told lambda bulletin. When the users are connected to a virtual mall, they'll have to type their 4-digits secret code (as it is today with bank cards), and the transaction will be transferred to a distant server owned by the bank. Thus this go-between server will be based in the country where a user has his or her bank account, and the same bank plays the role of a TTP. The user's privacy and anonymity will be protected, but only from the merchant's point of view. Banks-turned-TTPs will have to keep records of all transactional data for law-enforcement purposes. Recently, officials at the main money laundering agencies of industrialised countries met to discuss the problems caused by the Internet. C-SET could be one way to keep money transfers under the close eye of the law. The European Commission agreed to the system being tested as a possible future standard, and all major European countries have plans to test it in the near future (from Germany to Belgium, UK, Spain, etc.) It is no surprise that the SCSSI, one of the most conservative cryptography agencies in the world -- which considers the US technology lead on encryption as a national threat -- first refused to allow C-SET to encrypt a part of the transaction. The TTP compatibility was seen as a necessary condition for approval. Meggli said the encrypted material uses a DES-based 56-bit key, while a RSA public-key system (1024-bit length) is used for transmission. As Meggle acknowledged, this PIN-pad based identification system could be also used as a way to identify users that send encrypted messages in private communications. The TTPs will have to keep a record of connections -- as all banks are doing today to officially fight fraud -- and give a user's private key to police authorities if called upon to do so. * * * * * CRYPTO UPDATES * French officials at the SCSSI and the prime minister's office are worried that aspects of the government's crypto policy may be regarded by the European Commission in Brussels as an obstacle to common market principles. The government's law outlining a TTP key-recovery system, voted by the legislature last summer, has yet to be enacted by ministerial decree. An initial version of the decree (see lambda 2.13) stated that only French employees (of companies held with a majority of French capital) would be allowed to act as a TTP in the country. Whether the law would violate rules concerning the free flow of capital and workers in the European Union is uncertain. However the French government has something in its favor (for better or for worse) regarding possible anti-competitive practices in this area: The EC is prohibited from making decisions that may overlap with issues of national security. * Meanwhile, the Paris-based OECD is to publish its guidelines on international cryptography procedures (lawful access, condition of TTP systems, etc.) at the end of March. The report has been approved by both the OECD expert group and division committee with slight changes in the wording, and now needs only the endorsement of the OECD Council of Ministers. ---- A report by Jerome Thorel <jt(a)freenix.fr> English rewriting: Ken N. Cukier <100736.3602(a)CompuServe.COM> lambda archives --> www.freenix.fr/netizen ---- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jerome Thorel Planete Internet Journalist, Paris Editor / Redac chef thorel(a)netpress.fr 191 av A. Briand, 94230 Cachan Tel: 33 1 49085833 - fax-31 www.planete-internet.com

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Enigma
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy `C' May's reheated, refurbished, and regurgitated cud is completely inappropriate for the mailing lists into which it is cross-ruminated. __ /_/\__ \_\/\_\ Timmy `C' May /\_\/_/ \/_/

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WebWorld 3-4
by Bubba Rom Dos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 12:42 AM 3/19/97 -0600, you wrote: *|>Parents most certainly are not the only ones to determine the welfare of *|>their children; society has assumed a significant role and typically moves *|>to protect the child from the parents or from the _beliefs_ of the *|>parents. *|Just because the government subverts the RIGHTS of the parents does not *|mean that the parents do not have those rights. *| *|A parent is the sole person who has a *RIGHT* to determine the welfair of *|their childern. You do not have that right, I do not have that right, the *|government does not have that right. To beleive that the government should *|"protect" a child from the beliefs of its parents is truly *|FASISTS/COMMUNIST/STATIST (pick you flavor they are all the same <G>). *| *|I as a parent have the sole right to determine what religon to teach my *|children, how to rase my children, how to teach my children, how to reward *|my children and how to punish my children PERIOD. *| *|Perhaps you should take your STATIST tendicies over to alt.hitler.fanclub *|as they are quite out of place here. *| *|"When the wants of society override the rights of the individule that *|society must die" -- whgiii Dear whgiii, Children are, also, possessors of certain inalienable rights. Parents have certain _privileges_ in regard to their children which others do not have; if the parents abuse the _rights_ which their children possess solely by virtue of being humans and citizens, the state is obligated to intervene on behalf of the child--a citizen. In just the same way that if I were to threaten or batter you (or visa versa) the state would interpose itself to protect me. _With reservations_ I grant you parents have _great_ leeway in the areas of religious training, education, medical care, general child rearing (punishment/reward). When parents overstep either by action or neglect, society intervenes. I _understand_ your point that in an ideal society the government would not intervene. At this point, though, we don't seem to be there. Alec What's the point of the following? Discourse is healthy in an open system. Why the exclusion? *|Perhaps you should take your STATIST tendicies over to alt.hitler.fanclub *|as they are quite out of place here. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBMy/w7SKJGkNBIH7lAQEwpwP/UlEJbHBt6ahryC7X8tKqWssFoluJhVDa IIUQVCq/NkJ3Qg3LY804JNDnfgYbVFea0LY5FUiybAEDHOc0AEBRUt0ZE2ccgrt4 sNSKPTQ27csTEljM9b6PRU4Isod6d9l10APsuUbXM/knsZeNDfbwTWsoYPl66/t1 jbQ56j0t+vE= =Ju3R -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PGP seminar at New York University 3/27/97
by Subir Grewal 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Computer Advocacy @ New York University and NYU's Academic Computing Facility (ACF) present a seminar on Pretty Good Privacy as a part of Computer Awareness Week on Thursday, March 27 at 12:00 pm (noon). Ilya Slavin of the Computer Advocacy and Tim O'Connor of the ACF will discuss the reasons for using encryption tools, give a brief background of the algorithms behind the face of PGP and analyze their strengths, and demonstrate ways to incorporate PGP into popular tools such as Pine and Tin. A key signing session will follow. If you are new to PGP or just want your key signed by a few more people and happen to be in New York City at the time, please come! All are invited. Refreshments will be served. For more information, see http://www.nyu.edu/pages/advocacy/awareness/

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(Fwd) lambda 3.01 - Your Customs Officer is Watching You
by Charles Anthony 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:07:46 +0100 To: thorel(a)netpress.fr From: Jerome Thorel <jt(a)freenix.fr> Subject: lambda 3.01 - Your Customs Officer is Watching You lambda 3.01 contents: --> CDA countdown : The Supreme Court Has Some Clues on Knocking Down the CDA --> New in Cyberspace: The Frontiers Are Back! Your Customs Officer Is Watching You --> Crypto Update : France and the OECD * * * * * THE SUPREME COURT HAS SOME CLUES ON KNOCKING DOWN THE CDA Well before the U.S. Supreme Court hears arguments on the constitutionality of the CDA, David Sobel, EPIC's legal counsel, reminded the electronic community that the Court handed down a decisive decision two years ago. Excerpts from the EPIC Alert 4.04 newsletter herewith: --- begin fwd message --- To avoid potential criminal liability under the CDA's "indecency" provision, information providers would, in effect, be required to verify the identities and ages of all recipients of material that might be deemed inappropriate for children. If upheld, the statutory regime would thus result in the creation of "registration records" for tens of thousands of Internet sites, containing detailed descriptions of information accessed by particular recipients. These records would be accessible to law enforcement agencies and prosecutors investigating alleged violations of the statute. Such a regime would constitute a gross violation of Americans' rights to access information privately and anonymously. Two years ago, the Supreme Court upheld the right to anonymous speech in McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission. EPIC believes that the Court's rationale in that case applies with even greater force to the Internet "indecency" provisions now under review. The Court noted in McIntyre that: " The decision in favor of anonymity may be motivated by fear of economic or official retaliation, by concern about social ostracism, or merely by a desire to preserve as much of one's privacy as possible. ... "Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation -- and their ideas from suppression -- at the hand of an intolerant society." Whether the millions of individuals visiting sites on the Internet are seeking information on teenage pregnancy, AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases, classic works of literature or avant-garde poetry, they enjoy a Constitutional right to do so privately and anonymously. The Communications Decency Act seeks to destroy that right. If upheld, the CDA would render the Internet not only the most censored communications medium, but also the most heavily monitored. "EPIC is confident that upon review of the legislation and its impact upon free speech and privacy rights in emerging electronic media, the Supreme Court will affirm the lower court decision invalidating the CDA as fundamentally at odds with the Constitution." --- end fwd message --- The EPIC said that following the oral argument, the Reno v. ACLU plaintiffs and lawyers will hold a news conference to offer in-depth analysis and commentary (approximately 11:30 a.m. ET). The event will be cybercast live via RealAudio on the World Wide Web. Links to the cybercast will be available at: http://www.epic.org/cda/ and http://www.aclu.org/issues/cyber/trial/appeal.html * * * * * YOUR CUSTOMS OFFICER IS WATCHING YOU New in Cyberspace: The Frontiers Are Back! On March 6, the French security agency SCSSI gave its approval for a secured payment protocol called C-SET, or Chip-Secured Electronic Transaction. After one look at this European version of the US standard of SET, which will be completed this year, one might ask: "Why bother?" Your customs officer might well reply: "For me!" C-SET re-draws the boarders of the real world in cyberspace -- where national boundaries were scheduled to have been given up forever. Moreover, the system could easily be used to escrow private communications, because encrypted messages will be transmitted to a third party in order for police to have a lawful access to its secret key. The Intelligence Newsletter (http://www.indigo-net.com/intel.html) first reported in its Feb. 26 edition that C-SET could be used as a national shield for controlling money transfers, and thus be used as an intermediary between the law enforcement agencies, the vendor and the buyer. French security officials agreed to accept C-SET because it is compatible with future trusted third-party systems, dedicated to assuring national governments that all encrypted communications will be key-escrowed. "The French Finance Ministry has not yet decided to apply taxes and duties for online transactions, but C-SET is the adequate system to do that", says Claude Meggle, director of security at the French Groupement des Cartes Bancaires (a consortium of 200 French banks), the main architect of C-SET. "It is a way for national states to keep their sovereignty, without hindering international commerce". In France and other European countries, credit cards are so-called "smart cards." Embedded with microchips, it is a more secure way to authenticate -- and identify -- the buyer than a hand-written signature. The GCB was not fully satisfied by the SET standard, which "provides only software security as it doesn't include a smart card," the Intelligence Review reported. "As a result, the 'certificate' which enables a customer to be identified when making an electronic purchase is stored on his hard disk. This exposes it to all types of attack, and makes the system less than 'portable' -- the certificate is linked to the computer and not the person. The C-SET is exactly the opposite," the newsletter added. Hardware is needed to use C-SET; a PIN-number pad manufactured by state-owned Bull's smart card division CP8 will be sold for less than 500 FF (US$100), Meggle told lambda bulletin. When the users are connected to a virtual mall, they'll have to type their 4-digits secret code (as it is today with bank cards), and the transaction will be transferred to a distant server owned by the bank. Thus this go-between server will be based in the country where a user has his or her bank account, and the same bank plays the role of a TTP. The user's privacy and anonymity will be protected, but only from the merchant's point of view. Banks-turned-TTPs will have to keep records of all transactional data for law-enforcement purposes. Recently, officials at the main money laundering agencies of industrialised countries met to discuss the problems caused by the Internet. C-SET could be one way to keep money transfers under the close eye of the law. The European Commission agreed to the system being tested as a possible future standard, and all major European countries have plans to test it in the near future (from Germany to Belgium, UK, Spain, etc.) It is no surprise that the SCSSI, one of the most conservative cryptography agencies in the world -- which considers the US technology lead on encryption as a national threat -- first refused to allow C-SET to encrypt a part of the transaction. The TTP compatibility was seen as a necessary condition for approval. Meggli said the encrypted material uses a DES-based 56-bit key, while a RSA public-key system (1024-bit length) is used for transmission. As Meggle acknowledged, this PIN-pad based identification system could be also used as a way to identify users that send encrypted messages in private communications. The TTPs will have to keep a record of connections -- as all banks are doing today to officially fight fraud -- and give a user's private key to police authorities if called upon to do so. * * * * * CRYPTO UPDATES * French officials at the SCSSI and the prime minister's office are worried that aspects of the government's crypto policy may be regarded by the European Commission in Brussels as an obstacle to common market principles. The government's law outlining a TTP key-recovery system, voted by the legislature last summer, has yet to be enacted by ministerial decree. An initial version of the decree (see lambda 2.13) stated that only French employees (of companies held with a majority of French capital) would be allowed to act as a TTP in the country. Whether the law would violate rules concerning the free flow of capital and workers in the European Union is uncertain. However the French government has something in its favor (for better or for worse) regarding possible anti-competitive practices in this area: The EC is prohibited from making decisions that may overlap with issues of national security. * Meanwhile, the Paris-based OECD is to publish its guidelines on international cryptography procedures (lawful access, condition of TTP systems, etc.) at the end of March. The report has been approved by both the OECD expert group and division committee with slight changes in the wording, and now needs only the endorsement of the OECD Council of Ministers. ---- A report by Jerome Thorel <jt(a)freenix.fr> English rewriting: Ken N. Cukier <100736.3602(a)CompuServe.COM> lambda archives --> www.freenix.fr/netizen ---- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jerome Thorel Planete Internet Journalist, Paris Editor / Redac chef thorel(a)netpress.fr 191 av A. Briand, 94230 Cachan Tel: 33 1 49085833 - fax-31 www.planete-internet.com

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

snow <snow(a)smoke.suba.com> writes: > > The parents are the ONLY ones who have a right to determin the welfare of > > their childern. If the parents determin that the risks of reaction to the > > innoculation outways the benifits that choice is their's and their's alone. > > So, parents should be allowed to: > > 1) Beat their children on a daily basis, because it is good for them. Indeed, in most cultures beating the shit out of one's children 9and women) every day is the norm. "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Western Civ is a rare exception. > > 2) Refuse to educate their children _at all_ because Knowlege is the > devils work. Indeed, in most cultures until recently most people were never taught to read unless they intended to become priests. > > 3) Not clothe their children at all beause God Will Provide. > > 4) Teach their children how to perform Oral, Anal, and "straight" sex > because they need to learn it someday? Still very common in midwestern U.S.; less accepted elsewhere. > > Extreme examples, true, but it is what you are saying. > 5) castrating one's male children if they show any propensity to sing - in hopes that they'll become one of the few famous and successful male sopranos - viewed favorably in 18 and 19 centiry Italy. 6) teaching children bullshit about "god". What market force or natural selection discourages "abuse"? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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RE: Cell Phone Code Cracked
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: John Young [................]These technologists, who planned to release their findings in a news release on Thursday, argue that the best way to insure that the strongest security codes are developed is to conduct the work in a public forum. And so they are sharply critical of the current industry standard setting process which has made a trade secret of the underlying mathematical formulas used to create the security codes. ...................................... It becomes apparent that some people have the ideas of "private" and "public" backwards - they do in secret what should be done openly while supporting the license to access what should be private matters. .. Blanc

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Toto There are philosophies and spiritualities which proffer the view of "man as a machine," in which our actions can be seen as much more "mechanical" than most of us would care to admit. Of course, the obvious fallacy of this view is shown by the fact that, were it true, our attitudes and actions would be controlled by advertising and ten-second sound-bytes yanking at our emotions, rather than by the reason and logic that so clearly dominates our society, as can be demonstrated with one's index finger and a TV remote-control unit. ................................ Technology is a display of the heights of human creativity and inventiveness. The end-users are often a display of the depths, and a presentation of the fact that even though endowed with intelligence and inalienable rights, an individual must participate in the process of their own existence, investing personal effort into determining its quality or else suffering the consequences of mental stagnation and & psychological degeneracy. .. Blanc

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Re: WebWorld 3-4
by William Ono 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto, you're being careless again. -- William Ono <wmono(a)soundwave.net> PGP Key: 0xF3F716BD fingerprint = A8 0D B9 0F 40 A7 D6 64 B3 00 04 74 FD A7 12 C9 = fingerprint PGP-encrypted mail welcome! "640k ought to be enough for everybody." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Return-Path: <cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com> Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by orb.direct.ca (8.8.3/8.8.0) with ESMTP id FAA18320 for <wmono(a)direct.ca>; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 05:11:23 -0800 (PST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA24094 for cypherpunks-unedited-outgoing; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 05:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from wombat.sk.sympatico.ca (wombat.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.5.136]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA24076 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 05:09:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from hdtzrgrk (badger47.sk.sympatico.ca [142.165.25.47]) by wombat.sk.sympatico.ca with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id HAA08223 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:06:41 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <332FE560.4C91(a)dev.null> Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:08:48 -0600 From: Bubba Rom Dos <bubba(a)dev.null> Reply-To: camcc(a)abraxis.com Organization: Circle of Eunuchs X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SYMPA (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: WebWorld 3-4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="ww3.htm" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="ww3.htm" Content-Base: "file:///C|/AC/Writing/WebWorld/ww3.htm" Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk X-UIDL: 1300f39d8cafe42321938c16069fd2a6 <BASE HREF="file:///C|/AC/Writing/WebWorld/ww3.htm"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"> <TITLE>The True Story of the InterNet</TITLE> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="Internet Assistant for Microsoft Word 2.04z"> </HEAD> <BODY> <HR> <CENTER>The True Story of the InterNet Part II </CENTER> <CENTER>WebWorld & the Mythical 'Circle of Eunuchs' </CENTER> <CENTER>by Arnold </CENTER> Copyright 1995, Pearl Publishing <HR> Channel Revolution I've been getting decent treatment around here since I sandbagged Schultz. It was hell when I was first sent here. Claiming to be a Net'er won't win you friends among the Channel Citizens at the best of times, since they have always resented our freedom from Channel Laws, but being perceived as a nut-case claiming to be a Net'er puts you at the bottom of the pile even among your fellow fruit-cakes. It could be worse. They could have transferred me to the "Home Shoppers Bargain Psychiatry Warehouse". That's the worst of the worst. The Shop'ers have the poorest government on WebWorld. When the citizens of the former world governments got to choose their citizenship at the end of the Channel Revolution every deadbeat compulsive spender on the face of the Earth signed up with the Home Shopper Channel Government. When the United States and the European Community Collective had conceded (they were the last of the holdouts), the Home Shoppers Revolutionary Movement had made a wise move by declaring Leona Helmsley their first President. The other fledgling Channel Governments laughed at the Shop'ers, but got a rude awakening when the computer polls started showing the overwhelming numbers of people electing to cast their lot with the Shop'ers. The Shop'ers ran ads showing Leona purchasing magnificent jewelry and other high-priced items from the Home Shopping Channel and the masses rushed to join the bandwagon. Some of the slightly more discriminating people became citizens of the Consumer Channel, but they were few and far between. When the dust cleared, over a half a billion people found themselves citizens of a Shop'ers government that consisted of compulsive spending deadbeats, former Third-World citizens without a dime in their pockets (but with big dreams of buying all the trinkets in the flashy political ads), and 'credit card fraud' gypsies aiming to grab the goodies and split. The Revisionist Channel Government did surprisingly well. They weren't given much of a chance in the original polls, being branded as basically just a 'Holocaust Denial' fringe group, but they, too, adapted quickly to the changing dynamics in the newly declared WebWorld. Henry Kissinger III was one of the few who foresaw the potential of the Revisionists to do well in the new scheme of things. He had grown up at the feet of his grandfather, one of the great world leaders in the BC (Before Channel) years, listening to the tales of how the Nazi regime came to power by preying on the vanity of the pseudo-intelligentsia and the disenchantment of the masses. The Revisionist Channel Government moved quickly to expand the narrow base of their appeal. In the former United States of America they appealed to whites by running political ads debunking the 'myth of slavery' as a plot to coerce whites into a 'guilt' complex that could be used against them. In the black areas they debunked the 'myth of slavery', convincing the uneducated into believing that blacks had originally ruled America and that when whites gained control of the government they rewrote history to keep black people from regaining their superior stature. In Japan, they revised 'history' to give the Japanese superiority over the Chinese-in China, the same story in reverse. England-Ireland, Iraq-Iran, everyone was played one against the other and the slow-of-wit all rushed absurdly to become citizens of a government who claimed each of the citizens was superior to the other. The original fears of the other Channel Governments quickly changed to relief when it became apparent that the Revisionist citizens would be too busy fighting internal battles to cause any problems for the other CG's. When the smoke finally cleared at the end of the Channel Revolution, the Money Channel Government ended up with the fewest citizens and the largest amount of goodies. They were one of the few Channels to actually restrict citizenship. While most of the Channel Revolutionary parties lobbied hard for big numbers, the Money Channel lobbied discretely for the movers and the shakers; people who had plenty of cash and assets, and who knew how to use them. The CC's (Ca$h Cows), as they were known back then, had the foresight to gain control of the InterNet, a seemingly insignificant entity at the time. It had, at one time in history, been the rage, but it faded into the background after its proverbial fifteen-minutes of fame and glory. Only the movers and the shakers realized the true history and importance of the InterNet. In the decades preceding the Channel Revolution, the First Great TV Era had come and gone, being replaced by the Computer Era. Computers were the wave of the future. Computers ruled! Computers eventually were linked world-wide by the newest world-darling, the InterNet, under the auspices of the World Wide Web, which was crowned King and then inexplicably disappeared into an ever-present but lightly regarded fog of everyday banality after the advent of WebTV. WebTV once again made Television King, exploding to 500 Channels and ushering in the Second Great WebTV Era and the Channel Revolution, which led, in turn, to the Great Channel War, later known as Channel War I. There were rumors everywhere, in those days, of Gomez and the Dark Allies, backed by the Ca$h Cows of the Money Channel, striving for control of the airwaves, for control of 'broadcast reality'and for control of the minds of mankind. Then, for no apparent reason, the rumors abruptly stopped 'cold'. This made the few remaining people who were still capable of independent, rational thought processes, even more nervous than the rumors had made them in the first place. At the close of Channel War I, the leaders among the winning factions directed the fear and hate of the masses towards the InterNet, thus gaining support for wide-ranging laws supported by all Channel Governments which placed serious restrictions on the InterNet, along with corresponding WebWorld Security checks and balances on the its management and the power of the Net'ers.. The Money Channel Government, which by that time held three channels under its control, railed as hard as anyone against the threat of the InterNet but their overly obtuse professions of indignation were viewed with suspicion by the other CG's. To lessen the threat of MCG control of the InterNet, the other Channel Governments, in return for begrudgingly conceding the Money Channel Government's right to control three channels, demanded that ownership and control of the InterNet be turned over to the CypherPunk Channel Government, a spin-off of the 'Wired' Channel which had become one of the early casualties in Channel War I. The basic premise behind their demand was that the InterNet, which still filled an essential need, would not be as threatening in the hands of a bunch of fun-loving, loosely organized misfits as it would be in the hands of the movers and shakers. No one seemed to notice how easily the CC's gave in to their demands. (And the 'Ca$h Cows' didn't seem to notice the overly obtuse professions of indifference with which the CypherPunks accepted the mantle of control over the InterNet.) The Money Channel Government, which now included the Money Market Channel and the Zero-Tax Channel, had secretly backed the CypherPunks in Channel War I during their internal battle with the 'Wired' Channel Government's established honchos. 'Wired', a leading-edge computer magazine during the height of the Computer Era, had parlayed their fifteen-minutes of fame into a major-league enterprise commanding their own TV Channel, and became one of the key players in the Channel Revolutionary War. The Ca$h Cows, having learned from history the formidable power of counter-revolutionary movements, had the incredibly astute intelligence to realize the value of empowering (and at the same time controlling by proxy) the seemingly disenchanted CyberMisfits at the core of the 'Wired' Channel Government's power base. After biding their time, the CC's manipulated the CypherPunks into taking the blame for launching the opening salvo of Channel War II. The CypherPunks, being well-grounded in the Tao and incredibly astute students of Tai-Chi and the Tarot, realized the incredible power of playing the Fool, and they allowed themselves to totally go-with-the-flow of the Money Channel Governments 'deceptive' manipulations. I can see you rolling your eyes again, smiling smugly. "Right," you're saying, "and now this looney-tune is going to tell us that he was one of the legendary CypherPunks." I know the CypherPunks started Channel War II. I instigated the Battle of Channel 49-and I made sure we lost. I wasn't just a CypherPunkI was the Fool. <HR> Alexis Alexis brushed the tiny, woolen balls of lint from the hair at base of the old man's neck. They fell slowly to the floor, doing a swirling-dervish type of dance as they were caught between gravity and the upward pull of the ceiling fan twirling lazily above their table at the back of the bar. The fan didn't help much. Her thin, cashmere blouse, soaking up the sweat from her nubile young body, clung to the gently flowing curves of her breasts, and she knew that every man in the bar was fully conscious of when she was taking shallow breaths, and when she was breathing deeply. They were following the rise and fall of her breasts like a shore-leave sailor, sitting on the beach and watching his ship, his beloved, rocking gently in the waves, as if beckoning him to come to her and share her gentle rhythms on a journey beyond this place, towards a fate that lies just beyond a horizon that they will never quite reach. They were equally conscious of Bubba, half-asleep, leaning his head ever so lightly on her shoulder, and slightly below her shoulder, on the lower part of her collar-bone, so very close to her tender young breasts, but never quite touching them. She knew it was driving them crazy. The young man, Jonathan, who was sitting at their table, was positively a wreck. He had said nothing in the fifteen minutes he had been sitting, waiting for Bubba, though he had 'almost' begun to speak several times, then stopped. Alexis knew that it was because, try as he might, he couldn't think of a sentence that didn't have the word 'breasts' in it. Finally, he managed to say, "It's certainly very hot, today. Is Bubba your grandfather? The humidity certainly makes one's clothes...", his own reference forced him, involuntarily, to look down to stare at her breasts, as he added, weakly, the word, "cling." "To my breasts, you mean?", Alexis replied casually with a slight air of interest, rather than offense, in her tone. "Oh, no!", the young man almost cried out, "I meanI mean, I'm sorry, I'mI'm" "Stuttering, I believe, is the word you're looking for.", Alexis said with a small, friendly laugh. "Yesstuttering.", Jonathan returned her cue rather honestly, she thought, for someone who appeared to be more inclined to bolt for the door than to engage in humorous conversation regarding his obviously extreme embarrassment over the situation in which he currently found himself . But he wouldn'tleave, that is. He was one of them, a Net'er, or a computer programmer of some sort, no matter which Channel he was a citizen of. And he needed to see Bubba-he needed to-no matter what he had to go through to do so, because the alternative, not seeing and talking to him, was unimaginable. "You know, you people only come here when you discover that there's nowhere else for you to turn.", Alexis said abruptly, with a hint of harshness in her voice. "Excuse me?", the youth replied. "You know perfectly well, what I'm talking about." she said with an air of consternation. "On the streets, your type make fun of him, you have for years, and years. You call him a crazy, drunken old fool. You think he's a joke." Her voice was rising steadily. "When it starts happening, when you see things-strange things, troubling things-then you come running to him and want him to explain things, to make it all right, or make it go away, because you don't want to see these things, you don't want to know what's going on around you, and you can't bear to live for only a few days, or a few weeks, with what he's had to live with for years." Alexis was standing, now, having lowered Bubba's head to rest on the table as he dozed on. She was right in front of the sitting Jonathan, her ample breasts hovering inches from his now-dismal face, though his body was more desirous than ever of having her. She sat quickly down on his lap and put her fingers through the opening between the first and second buttons of his shirt. She stroked his chest slightly, as she continued, "If you want to speak to Bubba, then you have to answer the questions I am about to ask you, and do so absolutely truthfully." Jonathan could only nod-yes. Speaking was beyond him, as he found his body becoming tense beyond belief. "You asked if Bubba was my grandfather, but you really want to know if I'm fucking the old geezer-if all those stories about him are true. Right?" "Yes." Jonathan was looking at the ceiling, and self-consciously trying not to move his body in the slightest. "And you're here because strange things have been happening, strange thoughts have been troubling you, making you afraid." "Yes." She reached her right hand around to his back, stroking it in what might be considered a 'motherly' way, except that her breasts were only fractions of an inch from his chest and directly in his line of sight, and her breath was hot upon his cheek as she began to whisper in his ear, "You've lived quietly, for years, in a nice, sterile world of numbers, and data, and pure mathematics where everything is programmed and controlled, stable and docile, and now you have fears and other feelings and they're putting you in a quandary, because numbers and programs don't care how you feel, and they don't feel 'back'." Jonathan just sat silently, with no reply possible to someone who talked as if she had been reading his mail-watching his life more carefully and clearly than he had been doing himself. "And now you're running to Bubba for help, to find out if the myth of the 'Circle' is true, if there is someone, somewhere, who can make it better, or make it go away, because during all the time that he spent putting himself on the line, trying to convince people like yourself that the danger was real, you merely wanted to take the easy way, to just be left alone to be swept along with the great tide of humanity around you." Jonathan was wishing, with all his might, that Alexis would stop, but she continued, "Your programs and your machines are doing things that you didn't design them to do, things that you didn't program them for-weird things, evil things, and there's nothing you can do to stop them, right?" Jonathan was starting to sweat quite a bit, himself, now. Some of it was from the heat, some from remembering the 'night terrors' of late, and some of it seemed to be rising up, steaming, from his loins. "Yes, all of that, and more." Alexis was now sitting on his lap, facing him directly, her two hands on his hips on either side of him. The few, scattered patrons of the bar were having problems with their own loins as they watched the display she was putting on for their benefit, leaning close to whisper in his ear, "I'm only thirteen years old", she could feel him almost audibly groan as she ran her hands lightly over his buttocks, "but when you get back home, and you're still hard, you're going to be thinking of me while you 'do' yourself, you sick pervert." "Actually, I don't think I'll make it that far," Jonathan replied in halted breaths, "but I'm hoping to make it as least as far as the next alley." Alexis leapt off of his lap, slapping him lightly on the shoulder, saying, "Shame on you, talking like that to a thirteen year-old." She laughed in amusement, and he laughed in relief at having been saved the embarrassment of 'messing' himself in the bar, a public place, and he was happy to sit and sip his beer for a time, dreading any further conversation. Finally, she spoke, once again. "You might as well go home, now. There's nothing for you here. "All the dangers that Bubba spoke about are true, I think you know that, now. But the Circle of Eunuchs is just a myth, there's nobody doing anything about it. Nobody can do anything about it. It's only a matter of time, now." Alexis's face took on a sad, forlorn look, and she returned once again to brushing off the small balls of wool from the nape of his hairy neck, leaning down to kiss Bubba lightly on the cheek, with genuine love, ignoring Jonathan, once again. After a few moments, he rose somberly and made his way to the door. He knew that he, too, would be sad and forlorn tonight. But he also knew that she was right-he would be thinking of her tonight while he was 'doing' himself. He smiled, in spite of himself. <HR> Chapter 3 - Channel Revolution / Chapter 4 - Alexis <HR> </BODY> </HTML>

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Report from Supreme Court on CDA arguments
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

************** http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/editorial/0,1012,744,00.html The Netly News Network @The Supreme Court March 19, 1997 By Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) Noah Robischon (noah(a)pathfinder.com) U.S. Supreme Court justices pummeled government proponents of the Communications Decency Act this morning during a review of the law that will set new standards for free speech in the 21st century. The notorious CDA, reviled throughout cyberspace since the day it was signed by President Clinton in February 1996, would criminalize the ill-defined category of "indecent" communications on the Net. A Philadelphia federal court struck down the law a year ago. Justice Antonin Scalia called the lawsuit, brought by the American Civil Liberties Union against Attorney General Janet Reno, "a distinctive form of First Amendment argument unlike others" because it covers an uncharted and rapidly developing communications medium. "That's a new case for us," he said. Deputy Solicitor General Seth Waxman argued that the CDA merely established boundaries on the Net and made it harder for pornographic material to fall into the hands of minors. He likened the law to a cyber-zoning ordinance; without it, he said, the Internet "threatens to give every child a free pass to get into every adult movie theater or bookstore in the country." But less than a minute after Waxman started, the justices impatiently plowed into his presentation. Justice Stephen Breyer demanded: "Suppose a group of high school students decides to talk over the Internet and they want to talk about their sexual experiences. I mean, that's been known to happen in high school." Would they "be guilty of a federal crime?" Justice Antonin Scalia cut in, joking: "There's no high school student exemption?" "You might find it in the legislative history, but I do not," Waxman replied. For much of the 70-minute hearing, the discussion swirled around the question of how netizens could comply with the CDA. Waxman claimed that the act includes a battery of ways to protect a person from prosecution -- visitors to "indecent" web sites would be required to provide credit-card numbers, for instance. But Justice Sandra Day O'Connor was unmoved. "How does that fit in with the use of web sites by noncommercial users, libraries?" she asked. Justice David Souter wondered if the portions of the act banning the "display" of indecent materials would imprison parents. "I take it a parent who allows his computer to be used by a child viewing indecent material, that parent would go to prison," he said. When Waxman demurred, Scalia took up the chase. "No... One of those offenses is a display offense," he pointed out. Chastened, Waxman replied, "I see your point." Bruce Ennis, arguing on behalf of the ACLU and American Library Association coalitions, contended that the CDA bans speech, even for adults; is not as effective as blocking software; and is unconstitutionally vague. Justice Scalia, who noted that he uses a computer, pointed out that technology is rapidly changing. "So much of your argument is based on what's currently available," he said to Ennis. "This technology is changing so quickly. Is it possible that this statute is unconstitutional now but could be [constitutional] in four or five years?" Ennis replied: "Not as it's written." During a subsequent press conference, Ennis added that indeed, the technology is changing, and is giving parents more control over what their children do and see online. "Precisely because the technology is changing, the government should not be trying to enforce this law," he said. The ACLU attorneys who joined Ennis were grinning: the justices appeared to understand the nature of communications online, noted that teens have rights, and focused on free speech, not porn. After the hearing, the anti-CDA protestors who had braved a chill rain to chant "Hey-ho, the CDA has got to go!" were displaced by a larger, bullhorn-wielding group of anti-porn advocates. One sign demanded, "Don't sacrifice my child on the altar of the First Amendment." One of the most vocal protestors was 19-year-old Berkeley student Kenritsu Yamamoto, who happened to be dressed as a Net cupid, complete with angel wings and a circuit board breastplate. He was acting in the Pure Love Alliance's skit illustrating how pornography and "Net abduction" harms children. In the skit, Yamamoto accidentally kills a small child to demonstrate the dangers of a world without the CDA. "If a small child buys porn at a 7-11, then the store can be held accountable," said Yamamoto. "But on the Net, there is no accountability." A few steps away, Donna Rice Hughes, Enough Is Enough's communications director, was explaining why she thought the CDA should be upheld. "Without the CDA, Larry Flynt can make his teasers and centerfolds available to kids on the Internet," she said. Across from Hughes stood Bruce Taylor, the lawyer who argued against Flynt in the Supreme Court more than a decade ago. "The technology is advancing so well that the court is going to see that people can use this stuff without violating the law," he said. If the Supreme Court disagrees and strikes down the CDA, some members of Congress have pledged to try again. Netly cornered Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), a stauch supporter of the CDA, in the basement of the Capitol after the argument. What would he do? "How to do this I don't know, but our objective hasn't changed," he replied. "Some way, somehow, we will have to find a constitutional way of doing this for kids, protecting them from porn the way we did for printed material." Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-Virginia) says he hopes the high court "will give the Congress some very clear guidance." But any Congressional tinkering will come after the Supreme Court decides. A ruling is expected in early July. [McCullagh is one of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit challenging the CDA.] ------------------------- Time Inc. The Netly News Network Washington Correspondent http://netlynews.com/

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Cocksucker John Gilmore attempts to rewrite history again
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've been reading a thread in the Usenet newsgroups alt.cypherpunks and comp.org.eff.talk. EFF, you may recall, is Cocksucker John Gilmore's setup, and a pair of Gilmore/EFF's stooges - llurch(a)quixote.stanford.edu (Rich Graves <rcgraves(a)disposable.com>) and sethf(a)athena.mit.edu (Seth Finkelstein) - have been posting lies in an effort to rewrite the recent events which have totally destroyed Cocksucker's reputation on the net. Rich Graves wrote in article <5gl63i$4eu(a)quixote.stanford.edu>: >comparing me to Vulis doesn't work, I don't think. He'd have >mailbombed the list subscribers at the drop of a hat; and in >the case of cypherpunks, he and GruBoursy did, to such an >extent that the list had to move from toad.com to cyberpass.net. >I'm sure I've disappointed some people by doing nothing of the >kind. Doesn't stop Seth from saying I'm obsessed, of course. This is a lie. I haven't mailbombed cypherpunks. The list moved from toad.com to multiple sites because the readers no longer trusted Gilmore to host the list. In article <5gkfag$36o(a)quixote.stanford.edu> he also wrote: >>In any case, I personally would not ever absolutely reject posts >>arbitrarily from someone if I was moderating a list, even if 99.9% of >>their posts were absolute junk. (I've been in such situations---try >>moderating an biological evolution newsgroup and fend of all the >>creationists.) > >You've never met Dr. Vulis, then. Imagine 50 messages a day like this: > >http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/dir.archive-96.10.24-96.10.30/ > >|Timmy May has tons of dandruff (and dried up semen) in his beard. >|Is he Jewish??? >| >|--- >| >|Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >|Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps Rich is lying... >Vulis also posted megabytes of Serdar Argic screeds, just to be annoying, >and with the stated intention of disrupting the list. That's called a >denial of service attack. More lies. I haven't posted megabytes of Serdar Argic materials, and I have repeatedly stated that it is NOT my intention to disrupt the mailing list. >While the cypherpunks move from toad.com to cyberpass.net was far from >ideal, it worked reasonably well because the list was aware of what was >happening. Is that why John Gilmore is sending his minions to post lies and to confuse the readers about what was happening? In response, sethf(a)athena.mit.edu (Seth Finkelstein) further wrote in article <5gmnuj$1ha(a)senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>: >>>In any case, I personally would not ever absolutely reject posts >>>arbitrarily from someone if I was moderating a list, even if 99.9% of >>>their posts were absolute junk. (I've been in such situations---try > > Yes, Ram, I know you'd likely handle such a situation differently. >But as I keep saying, on a human level, I just can't work up any >criticism for Declan for not wanting to deal in any way shape or >form with a person who so frequently mudslings and smears him so much. Again, this is not true. I disagree with many of the things Declan says, but I'm not smearing him and not slinging mud at him. I'm also not aware of having being banned from any forum Declan moderates, whatever that is. Seth further has the audacity to praise John Gilmore for showing the "patience of a saint": > It wasn't up to Vulis level, absolutely. But I think taking >the junk from Vulis showed the patience of a saint. This is actually very funny.

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Re: [CRYPTO] PRNG
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy May, a product of anal birth, appeared with a coathanger through his head. o o o o o /~> <><><> <> Timmy May o...(\ |||||| ||

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> writes: > Dale Thorn wrote: > > > > Really? Define _common_. I have lived in the Mid West for about 85% of > > > my life, and I know no one who learned these things from their parents. > > > > C'mon guys. Parents diddling with their kids is more than common - > > probably 1/3 of all fathers do something sexual with one or more > > of their children at some point. People just suppress it. > > I can't believe it could be that common without the government > finding a way to 'tax' it. Def: relative humidity - the sweat on snow's balls as he fucks his sister. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: WebWorld 3-4
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

William Ono wrote: > > Toto, you're being careless again. Moi?

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key revocation
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I'm revoking my old key, and creating a new, bigger one. Yes, there's a story behind it, and it's a dumb one, and I'll tell it later. Cheers, Bob Hettinga - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQCPAy/xh8wAAAEEALAk362NR2Q9eLzwdm/GmMInQj9Z+Mc/t0bng3VTcgZYW+Kg da3Vwiomksh16Jo5r/zva32W826HZqYE4wW/cwznq2k87kMwuNdIGOhbcVlpg0cU 2d6zE+C0myq2uOc2Xddo3zdwdUSgafZVNwqJjCeS88SMeHmtMvgyLN8bw6ZVABEB AAGJAJUDBSAzMI6U+DIs3xvDplUBAYAGA/9eUNjgLgcCmeLxn1pUCzAACPe17bdy Smn83xfZGHCubj0Ylp2hAx3kEy4N98s2TOvPipvga44ckTtyRbG4+ptEhGQ0/pjG TJ8KghRJ3iSmjreSwKiLyBOQ4cj9l0JD9zSXX0+sWCDaZwXat21KlYXJllfSqppd jknFP+NxQ+u7ALQnUm9iZXJ0IEEuIEhldHRpbmdhIDxyYWhAc2hpcHdyaWdodC5j b20+iQCVAgUQMqWfksKmlvJNktGxAQGUgAQAhzF8RRRIwMLLdEwa9MdMrUoW5d/o S2qdA1gxgDLp+fIToYe60z0l6hYPCMWMCb64eZadgjBS6TzvyYBX762TZvuH5BOg FvIovQe0DGscDe9XAGj07I1ynzjBGr8Rq4qe+ZQsnCUE0lHLt25LLj56RUbnBAlW TP78ZOySqCAgBYCJAJUDBRAv+o4Q+DIs3xvDplUBAbtyBACNRQuctSPBgWgX47BT xeOlyzEa6pt0/jB9ZKehe64p0H+raxvgXXc48z0Vg2ePk9g46y48sOIPiFiKj4lR 9zMzujpHQ0YjBmDmCTJvM/LmBAcKiFbSq9GZv5WhzIeoqAaWBbIDcJcl4btEqoxx zzXOCBSYY21cKqWK3II9pmhFQokAogMFEDJIKy96rtRInhTs1QEBc4sEYgLC1HVj J6kcKVZ5L2cttdH+gW8cZaJLKTN6r+O/ec7abE8+BgYNAMyYaf13Ie5W5ilFm3b4 HdCQ1F5fS4UJac6QolOoMYM5QWyd075MFuHdokkMT6a88w0X3I+XxKh8K65YcYmx 24hpbbbWeQVKA3ec2y7R1f4W88ny+sLD3byV5vywgpzw8SzjSYbvCQ== =EPeQ - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- - -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.2 mQEPAzMwdgMAAAEIALXtk50b0KQWz0RiTBOa25SbWk8cCR6WtafoH3QHwbajqTMI ZwOmujLRGjwAvrdqZbW9RIUP7WAe3XnDiCN+vt7ufBk1YoRuZPb5T01X5pCcVNpw rd4DrMhgoSqLkcbn4+ShUxfPwnc8VemFanQicbcmnsK9CzFB/D2IxmOMVttecx9n Afd2C6h3kWZ4VJARL7g4vvqE+hWJs7z5g1jHJkCr/0KsVVaI/uhE4sha5Bt3Kaxr 0GOi+VS/UQDc+GTjSAgC/AZSQWWNkME3Tn8vQZcso0eRvPLxXrDMYL4gNRYlji8v 40PUaWOX3oW+svXhBJOP7u8SZG7BxQIbDGZZweEAEQEAAbQnUm9iZXJ0IEEuIEhl dHRpbmdhIDxyYWhAc2hpcHdyaWdodC5jb20+ =5U1v - -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMzDj7cUCGwxmWcHhAQFa6Af7BXR73ty08djlqgWlC6Ul9kP3JCYd2kcZ QVDYwJBgj4xFdxEldxP1JeJuCI6cjWpRF8lV81roboJSPZ6IjTTRwuDyWNNXvLp6 hJgEOomnfRiBTxAM2/Ombbos2RtatRctDIVQVzvmYECwOXJcOkceJdXah0pozl4O NpVcBVtuQ2G7EaBwfdN7r9xqOeYl4FSEYDaD8LjYPlT3+nC0IujgS76nNHvBqOOt +oJQD0lPJfkl0PIUz9zAqioRof40W1a6JubLVIxZVoolK9DRYZlqpujPell6rk9x /QwU24cuLUmzxd+qGhYXOAE6fS8KPJezI2Ijlvd/5sDjd8/Zw/nIFA== =qhZ5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/

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WebWorld 5-6
by Bubba Rom Dos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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PGP Security
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am passing along the following message, not because of my belief in the accuracy or veracity of its contents, but merely because of the fact that it seems to have kept getting eaten up by various email systems in the attempts to send it to its original destination. The first time it was sent via a remailer, it was bounced for ill- defined reasons. The second time it was sent, the remailer was shut down, and remains shut down. Efforts to send it through a second remailer also failed, with no notice from the server of any problems being received. Other email sent through the remailer at the same time encountered no difficulties. I am only noting the facts, here, not proferring any personal judge- ments on the matter, although I have formed my own opinion as to the meaning of these facts, particularly since I, myself, came by this post during the process of email interception. > X-Anon-Password: XXXXXXXXXX > X-Anon-To: XXXXXXXXXXX > X-Anon-Name: XXXXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX, I thought I would reply privately to you, since you seem to at least have a willingness to allow the possibility of compromises to the security of the encryption methodologies behind PGP programs, among others. To begin with, I'm not sure whether you realize it, or not, but the Navy's spook tenacles run deeper, and extend further, than those of any of the more notable or visibly involved agencies who lurk in the background of security and privacy issues. One of the reasons for this is that their physical existence could be said to mirror the Internet in many respects. The very nature of their 'global' home (the sea), has always permitted them access to people and regions which are denied to others. Also, they are often in the position to be involved in what looks to be merely the 'transporting' of people and information. Whether providing escort services or getting drunk in foreign bars, the expertise of naval intelligence has always lain in the area of observation, first and foremost. By far the greatest tool of intelligence agencies on the Internet, has been traffic analysis. Their techniques are sufficiently sophist- icated that I would not be surprised to find out that they can tell more about us from our Internet activity than can be learned from the satellites capable of reading the newspaper over our shoulder as we sit in the park. Traffic analysis involves all measurable quantum of information, the chief concerns being the patterns and timing of data transfer, from which everything ranging from content and motivation can be deduced. If you wish to think in terms of back-doors, then you would be well advised to go beyond the concepts of 'passwords' and 'holes' and try to think in terms of patterns and timing, and other such 'structures' which are peripheral to concerns regarding 'code' and 'mathematics.' i.e. As well as considering the 'content' of what a program returned, you must also consider 'when' the program returned the result, and the patterns in the timing, as well as the content. An analogy could be made to a person who, being interrogated, answers all questions with a predictable rhythm and then 'pauses,' however slightly, in answering a certain question. You can see that what is revealed by the 'content' of the answer can be greatly insignificant compared to what is revealed by the 'delay' in answering. To expand your concept of 'back-doors' and 'holes,' you have to ask questions such as: "Does it take a program or hardware longer to return a result of '0', than to return a result of '1'?" "What factors can be introduced into the hardware and/or software that can influence the patterns and/or timing of various processes and the results they return?" "Can key searches be made more efficient by analyzing such things as rhythm, syntax, etc? What 'details' or 'qualities' of an individual, group, or 'arena of concern' can be analyzed for the purpose of being able to group them into structures which can be searched for?" "How can 'assigning' a value to certain sequences of numbers be used as a pattern to 'filter' the input data into a form which is easier to analyze?" You are aware of 'tricks and techniques' that apply to mathematics and are widely known. i.e. The process of shifting and adding numbers when multiplying by the number '11'. However, what about those quantum of information which are of no consequence to those seeking for the 'final result' of that multi- plication? Can the peripheral effects of mathematic calculations be used to analyze what has taken place, to narrow the scope of inquiry? My nephew describes numbers as getting 'wider' as they get larger, and he does quick checks of his result through his 'feel' for how much 'wider' a number should be when he is done, even in complicated equations which he ill-understands. (He reminds me of Steven Wright, who claims that someone told him that his socks didn't match, and he replied, "Sure, they do. I go by thickness.") I am currently working on a project which involves merging chaos theory with traffic analysis and other processes to analyze the effects that algorithms display when processed through the filters of varying hardware and software structures and methodologies. The RSA algorithm and accompanying RSAREF subroutines were our first focus, for the very reason that there were certain factions behind the scenes of the Zimmerman/RSA agreement who seemed to have an inordinate amount of interest in the subroutines being chained to the algorithm (for reasons that have nothing to do with patent protection). Those whose expertise goes far beyond my own in this area look at the initial results of the analysis as confirming that their is a 'relationship' between the RSA algorithm and the RSAREF subroutines which will enable them to break the system down into workable units for fairly quick analysis. What is interesting is that the results from small probes into other encryption systems show the same potential for exploitation using varying analysis methodologies and processes. (One fairly well-known encryption routine is almost lame enough to reveal its secrets to anyone with a pencil and a stopwatch, as well as the file size and time it takes to encrypt.) While I would rather you didn't publicize the preceding information, as a general rule, I think that is something that should be shared with anyone who is seriously focusing their efforts on better methods of encryption and analysis of encryption methodologies. I am aware of two other groups who are working along the same lines, although with a narrower range of variables than ourselves, and I am certain that there must be more than a few other entities out there who are also pursuing this line of research. I would appreciate any comments you may have on the above, as well as any suggestions you may have. (Despite having a post-graduate degree in an area which required a thorough grounding in mathematics I may have to refer any highly technical suggestions to those in the group who dream in numbers, sunset to sunrise.)

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Cell Phone Code Cracked
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For details of the crack see the cryptographers' press release at: http://www.counterpane.com/cmea.html The New York Times, March 20, 1997, pp. A1, D2. Code Set Up to Shield Privacy Of Cellular Calls Is Breached By John Markoff San Francisco, March 19 -- A team of well-known computer security experts will announce on Thursday that they have cracked a key part of the electronic code meant to protect the privacy of calls made with the new, digital generation of cellular telephones. The announcement, intended as a public warning, means that -- despite their greater potential for privacy protection -- the new cellular telephones, which transmit streams of digital information in code similar to computer data, may in practice be little more secure from eavesdropping than the analog cellular phones, which send voice as electronic patterns mimicking sound waves, that have been in use the last 15 years. It was such eavesdropping, for example, that caused trouble for Newt Gingrich when a Florida couple listened to his cellular phone conversation in December about the Congressional ethics inquiry. Now that digital wireless networks are coming into use around the nation, the breaking of the digital code by the team of two computer security consultants and a university researcher confirms fears about privacy that were raised five years ago when the communications industry agreed under Government pressure to adopt a watered-down privacy technology. Several telecommunications industry officials said the pressure came from the National Security Agency, which feared that stronger encryption technology might allow criminals or terrorists to conspire with impunity by cellular phones. But independent security experts now say that the code is easy enough to crack that anyone with sufficient technical skills could make and sell a monitoring device that would be as easy to use as a police scanner is. Such a device would enable a listener to scan hundreds of wireless channels to listen in randomly on any digital call within a radius ranging from 1,000 feet to a number of miles. Or, as with current cellular technology, if a specific person was the target of an eavesdropper, the device could be programmed to listen for any nearby digital call to that person's telephone number. Other possible transgressions would include using the device to automatically harvest all calling card or credit-card data transmitted with nearby digital wireless phones. And, because of a loophole in the Communications Act of 1934, making and selling such devices would not be illegal, though actually using one would technically be against the law. These monitoring devices are not yet available, but security experts said that a thriving gray market was certain to develop. And with technical details of the security system already circulating on the Internet instructions for cracking it will almost certainly make their way into the computer underground, where code breaking and eavesdropping are pursued for fun and profit. Technical details of the security system were supposed to be a closely guarded secret, known only to a tight circle of industry engineers. But the researchers performed their work based on technical documents that were leaked from within the communications industry and disseminated over the Internet late last year. "The industry design process is at fault," said David Wagner, a University of California at Berkeley researcher who was a member of the team that broke the code. "We can use this as a lesson, and save ourselves from more serious vulnerabilities in the future." Communications industry technical experts, made aware of the security flaw earlier this year, have been meeting to determine whether it is too late to improve the system's privacy protections. Already the digital technology is in use in metropolitan areas, including New York and Washington, where either the local cellular networks have been modified to support digital technology or where new so called wireless personal communications services are being offered. "We're already in the process of correcting this flaw," said Chris Carroll, an engineer at GTE Laboratories, who is chairman of the industry committee that oversees privacy standards for cellular phones. But Greg Rose, a software designer for the Qualcomm Inc. a leader in digital cellular systems said that fixing the flaw would be "a nightmare." Tightening the security system, Mr. Rose said, would involve modifying software already used in the computerized network switching equipment that routes wireless digital telephone calls, as well as the software within individual phones. Currently, about 45 million Americans have cellular phones, though most of them so far are based on an older analog standard that offers no communications privacy. But cellular companies are gradually converting their networks to the new digital standard, and the new personal communications services networks going into operation around the country also employ the digital encryption system. Nearly a million P.C.S. phones have been sold in the United States, according to cellular industry figures. Besides Mr. Wagner, the other researchers who cracked the code were Bruce Schneier and John Kelsey of Counterpane Systems, a Minneapolis consulting firm. Mr. Schneier is the author of a standard textbook on cryptography. The new digital wireless security system, which was designed by cellular telephone industry engineers was never intended to stop the most determined wiretappers. But because digital calls are transmitted in a format corresponding to the one's and zero's of computer language, they are more difficult to eavesdrop on than conventional analog calls, which are transmitted in electronic patterns. And digital calls protected with encryption technology -- basically a mathematical formula in the software that scrambles the signal -- would be all the harder for a third party to listen to surreptitiously. Because the encryption system that the industry adopted in 1992 was deliberately made less secure than many experts had recommended at the time, privacy rights advocates have been warning since that the code could be broken too easily. An announcement Thursday that the code has indeed been cracked would seem to bear out those concerns. "This should serve as a wake-up call," said James X. Dempsey, senior staff counsel for the Center for Democracy and Technology, a public interest group. "This shows that Government's effort to control encryption technology is now hindering the voice communications industry as well as the data and electronic communication realm." Industry executives acknowledged that steps must be taken to address the problem. "We need strict laws that say it is illegal to manufacture or to modify a device which is designed to perpetrate the illegal interception of P.C.S. telephone calls," said Thomas E. Wheeler, president of the Cellular Telephone Industry Association, a Washington-based trade group. Mr. Wheeler said the weaker privacy technology had been adopted not just to appease the Government but because makers of wireless communications hardware and software wanted to embrace a technical standard that would meet export regulations. Those rules, based on national security considerations, sharply curtail the potency of American-made encryption technology. The three computer researchers who broke the code belong to an informal group of technologists who believe strongly that powerful data-scrambling technologies are essential to protect individual privacy in the information age. These technologists, who planned to release their findings in a news release on Thursday, argue that the best way to insure that the strongest security codes are developed is to conduct the work in a public forum. And so they are sharply critical of the current industry standard setting process which has made a trade secret of the underlying mathematical formulas used to create the security codes. "Our work shows clearly why you don't do this behind closed doors," Mr. Schneier said. "I'm angry at the cell phone industry because when they changed to the new technology, they had a chance to protect privacy and they failed." Mr. Carroll, head of the industry's privacy committee, said it planned to revise the process for reviewing proposed technical standards. [End]

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WebWorld 7-8
by Bubba 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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FBI Wiretap Payments
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The FBI has published in the Federal Register today: Implementation of Section 109 of the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act AGENCY: Federal Bureau of Investigation, DOJ. ACTION: Final rule. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY: This rule implements section 109 of the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), which requires the Attorney General to establish regulations which set forth the procedures that telecommunications carriers must follow in order to receive reimbursement under Sections 109 and 104 of CALEA. CALEA requires that this rule enable carriers to receive payments in a timely and cost- efficient manner while minimizing the cost to the Federal Government. Specifically, this rule sets forth the means of determining allowable costs, reasonable costs, and disallowed costs. Furthermore, it establishes the requirements carriers must meet in their submission of cost estimates and requests for payment to the Federal Government for the disbursement of CALEA funds. In addition, this rule protects the confidentiality of trade secrets and proprietary information from unnecessary disclosure. Finally, it sets forth the means for alternative dispute resolution. ----- http://jya.com/fbi032097.txt (177K)

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Re: U.S Mint Electronic Cash Study
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: jmuller(a)brobeck.com (John D. Muller) Mime-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:38:05 -0800 From: jmuller(a)brobeck.com (John D. Muller) To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Re: U.S Mint Electronic Cash Study Federal Reserve Governor Kelley and New York Fed President McDonough have both stated that the Fed has no plans to issue electronic money. See: http://www.bog.frb.fed.us/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/19960618.htm http://www.ny.frb.org/pihome/news/speeches/sp961008.html ---------- The e$ lists are brought to you by: Intertrader Ltd - Commerce Solutions in the UK Visit <http://www.intertrader.com/> for details ... Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk Like e$? Help pay for it! See <http://www.shipwright.com/rah.html> Or, for e$/e$pam sponsorship, see <http://www.shipwright.com/rah/> Thanks to the e$ e$lves: Of Counsel: Vinnie Moscaritolo <mailto:vinnie@webstuff.apple.com> (Majordomo)^2: Rachel Willmer<mailto:rachel@intertrader.com> Commermeister: Anthony Templer <mailto:anthony@atanda.com> Interturge: Rodney Thayer <mailto:rodney@sabletech.com> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/

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ONK?: SANS Network Security Digest?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text X-Sender: ploshin(a)pop.tiac.net Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:39:22 -0500 To: Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> From: Pete Loshin <pete(a)loshin.com> Subject: Re: DCSB: Stewart Baker on Clinton Administration Crypto Policy and Digital Commerce Mime-Version: 1.0 Bob, just a quick question, have you heard/seen anything on this: | The SANS Network Security Digest | | Contributing Editors: | | Michele Crabb, Matt Bishop, Steve Bellovin, Rob Kolstad | | Gene Spaford, Marcus Ranum, Gene Schultz, Dorothy Denning | ----A Resource for Computer and Network Security Professionals--- It's an $80/yr e-mail newsletter; there are a lot of recognizable names there, but the thing isn't digitally signed. Also, isn't it "Spafford"? Anyway, anything you know would be appreciated, and if you don't know anything, could you ask around (e.g., some of the likelier mailing lists which I no longer subscribe to.) <snip> Thanks, -pl /-------------------------\ | Pete Loshin | | BYTE | | 24 Hartwell Ave | | Lexington, MA 02173 | | vox +1 617/860-6830 | | fax +1 617/860-6522 | | pete(a)loshin.com | \-------------------------/ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/

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Isn't this like a bad idea?
by Lile Elam 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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PGP on AOL
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi there, I want to help a friend of mine to set up PGP. She's using Win 95 and is on AOL. Can anybody recommend some good shells, that would make make it easier for her? Thanks already in advance... Ciao Harka -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMzJqzTltEBIEF0MBAQHIqwf/R5pOkHW87Nvjk2zSiVk9NRTbzrrPLaaG lOsGmY5m6t0A5wLLaIAYiVYG0ygF00Zau8YvUUkEB8dBw2ufItMWAcSMeYQnkKTU m3koJo6miy0EH3wyaaL2I44IM9q77b0jpZPxX+8kfYry2tLTYoCCyHdC/BGDdYTd M0jwM+VXPmrw+xnX3TUr2y5ggweR0zIBCuD+V0JodHiXg8x5GYsQ/uXKhtd9a4rJ QkIm9MU6gf0lPvzXFA6mjk6DDz7YqM4hoywn+4Dc4wJ/DaO6ZU5EXhkg2Q1vYBSN Jp7k6ZAoBPl8rsPem0C5t7Q7V3YRp3qeD6jV/K3YuMW6VgYJynDs6Q== =B09F -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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NSA responds to criticism over weakening cellular crypto
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:50:40 -0800 (PST) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship-announce(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: NSA responds to criticism over weakening cellular crypto John Markoff writes in today's NYT: Several telecommunications industry officials said the pressure came from the National Security Agency, which feared that stronger encryption technology might allow criminals or terrorists to conspire with impunity by cellular phones. But independent security experts now say that the code is easy enough to crack that anyone with sufficient technical skills could make and sell a monitoring device that would be as easy to use as a police scanner is. Below the NSA's Clint Brooks responds to Dave Banisar. -Declan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:08:28 -0500 From: Dave Banisar <Banisar(a)epic.org> >Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:35:44 -0500 >From: Clinton Brooks <cbrooks(a)romulus.ncsc.mil> >Reply-To: cbrooks(a)romulus.ncsc.mil >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: banisar(a)epic.org >CC: "Brooks, Clinton" <cbrooks(a)romulus.ncsc.mil> >Subject: Cellular Phone Flaw > >Dave, > > Re your comments on the flaw apparently found in cellular phones: > > We have released the following statement: > > "NSA had no role in the design or selection of the encryption >algorithm chosen by the Telecommunications Industry Association (TIA). >NSA also had no role in the design or manufacture of the telephones >themselves. As we understand the researchers' claim, it appears that >the algorithm selected and the way it was implemented in the system has >led to the stated flaws. > >NSA provided the TIA with technical advice on the exportability of these >devices under U.S. export regulations and processes." > > > Clint > ========================================================================= David Banisar (Banisar(a)epic.org) * 202-544-9240 (tel) Electronic Privacy Information Center * 202-547-5482 (fax) 666 Pennsylvania Ave, SE, Suite 301 * HTTP://www.epic.org Washington, DC 20003 PGP Key: http://www.epic.org/staff/banisar/key.html =========================================================================

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WOW-COM Registration
by wow-com＠wow-com.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Spam from DM.NET
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Who the fuck is "dueling modems"? Why am I getting this shit at my site? This is dm.com, not dm.net. What a bunch of fucking morons. "Jim RoadRunner" <Wild_Mouse(a)msn.com> writes: > > > ---------- > From: nic > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 1997 5:26 PM > To: Jim RoadRunner > Subject: Welcome to Dueling Modems! > > Dear James, > > Welcome to Dueling Modems! > > This letter is to confirm that we've received your signup and billing > information, and have set up your account. > > ***** ACCOUNT INFORMATION ***** > > Acct #: 0032108 > ID: wild-mouse > Password: railroad > Email Name: wild-mouse(a)dm.net > Email Destination: wild_mouse(a)msn.com > > We may have tweaked some of the ID/Pwd information you put on the form, > to meet the requirements of our operating system. 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