December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

(((( Cool new marketing technique discovered, cheap & very effec
by jlkmiec＠concentric.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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(( New marketing technique discovered, cheap & very effective)))
by jlkmiec＠concentric.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following should be of general interest to you. If it is not please excuse the intrusion. You are NOT on a list and will NOT be contacted again. AMAZING DIRECT MARKETING TECHNIQUE DISCOVERED We have after spending years researching developed a way for a company to sell ANY product more effectively. It is not bulk E-mail, it is much more effective. It is ideal for anyone in MLM who needs to contact only interested MLM partys or any other company for that matter. All you need to do is say how many people you want us to contact and we will give you a rate and implement the system. You get qualified leads that are easy to close. You can sample this for as little as $20 which will put your product directly in touch with 5000 people. All you need to do is E-mail us a little about your target audience and we will take care of the rest. From the information we relay to you, you should have a list of very qualified cantidates for your product. Special 50,000 contacts only $100 (Save $100)!! Copyright 1997 Innovative Concepts

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How to subscribe
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠BXL.DG13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have learned from the discussions in this list that there are other lists related to this one. Can anybody send me information on what is available and when this confusion created by having different lists will stop. cypherpunks : unmoderated and uncensored cypherpunks : unmoderated and censored cypherpunks : moderated and uncensored cypherpunks : moderated and censored cypherpunks : US eyes only -- export restrictions cypherpunks : Europe cypherpunks : private mail Theodor W. Schlickmann

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Re: World's first Ecash note
by Marc Briceno 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:26 PM 2/6/97 -0800, Jeremey Barrett wrote: >The world's first Ecash note has been printed! > >A USD 0.01 note made out to anyone can be found at: > > http://www.veriweb.com/people/jeremey/ecash/1_cent.html > >The data portion of the note is a PDF417 2-D barcode, containing a >standard ecash payment of 1 US cent. Congratulations to Jeremey for printing the world's first Ecash note! I hereby declare Jeremey the winner of the "encoding Ecash as 2D-bar code" contest. The money will be awarded this Saturday. Now, we need decoding software. :-) [There is a $100 reward (out of my own pocket) for the first freeware decoder. Source required. This is a "just for fun" contest. I know that $100 won't pay for the time spent on the project.] -- Marc Briceno <mailto:marc@digicash.com> Ecash(tm) Electronic Cash Evangelist/Developers Support <http://www.digicash.com/>

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Re: lead remailer is shut down
by Ed Falk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Can't remailers be written with basic spam safeguards? I.e. no mass crossposts, limited # of posts by each individual client per day, etc.?

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Re: World's first Ecash note
by Marc Briceno 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:26 PM 2/6/97 -0800, Jeremey Barrett wrote: >The world's first Ecash note has been printed! > >A USD 0.01 note made out to anyone can be found at: > > http://www.veriweb.com/people/jeremey/ecash/1_cent.html > >The data portion of the note is a PDF417 2-D barcode, containing a >standard ecash payment of 1 US cent. Congratulations to Jeremey for printing the world's first Ecash note! I hereby declare Jeremey the winner of the "encoding Ecash as 2D-bar code" contest. The money will be awarded this Saturday. Now, we need decoding software. :-) [There is a $100 reward (out of my own pocket) for the first freeware decoder. Source required. This is a "just for fun" contest. I know that $100 won't pay for the time spent on the project.] -- Marc Briceno <mailto:marc@digicash.com> Ecash(tm) Electronic Cash Evangelist/Developers Support <http://www.digicash.com/>

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automated moderation system
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

here's an idea for a simple "moderation" system with no one-moderator bottleneck/choke point. I'm trying to come up with a constructive solution with cyberspatial spirit. please send me email if you would be willing to try this system. flames ignored. if there is enough support I may be able to persuade a friend to write the code to do this. a new mailing list is set up, one that gets posts from a noisy mailing list. it filters the mail according to user preferences, and sends it out to its own subscribers. the filtering scheme is as follows: a web site is set up that allows people to express their own preferences as to who they wish to listen to in particular, and who they wish to killfile, based on email address. first, they hit the web site and have it send them a secret password to their email address. then they use that password to edit their "pass" and "zap" lists. (the password is for authentication) now, the mailing list works as follows. people always receive posts from people they put on their "pass" lists. mail from entities on their "zap" lists is always trashed. why are the lists kept on the server? the usefulness of this scheme is that now you have information about all entities, the number of votes to "pass" each entity, and the number of votes to "zap" each entity. now lets say that the system is considering sending me mail from someone that is neither on my pass or zap lists. I have no personal info on it, but the system could use the votes in some algorithmic way to decide whether to send it to me or not. various experiments could be tried to come up with a good scheme. my preference is at the moment something like this: every person indicates how much mail they wish to recieve from the list, and how much of a delay is acceptable. the system uses this information and the "pass/zap" ratio (or difference) to send out the "highest rated" messages in a given time window. during low list traffic, the messages that pass through would be ranked lower. or, the system could have a ranking threshold set by each individual user below which it will never pass the email. my feeling is to keep these lists public, although the scheme would allow a system that kept them private. of course I will be flamed for this. the system of course is essentially a reputation system, something everyone here talks about but nobody really seems to know what one is or how to set one up. anyway, I hope to hear from anyone with comments. if you might be able to support a cgi web site for the idea, please let me know. technically the system is pretty straightforward. my experience with these systems is that the great difficulty is getting people to try them, the "critical mass" problem.

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a previous message, I wrote: > That's all very nice, but I should point out that I have not yet > seen my message to which you are responding on the filtered list. It just trickled into my mailbox. I take that back. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by Mike Duvos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SANDY SANDFORT sez: > On Fri, 7 Feb 1997, Mike Duvos wrote: > > ...Messages apparently do not get moderated in the order in > > which they are received... > All messages are filtered and posted in the order in which I > receive them. That's all very nice, but I should point out that I have not yet seen my message to which you are responding on the filtered list. Others mileage may vary. -- Mike Duvos $ PGP 2.6 Public Key available $ mpd(a)netcom.com $ via Finger. $

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Re: Metzger, Denninger square off
by Eric Murray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Damaged Justice writes: > > [Forwarded from Wired news. Let's cut to the chase: Which side is in the > right? Who can tell me, in plain and simple language, who is fighting for > individual freedom and property rights, and who is not?] > [LINK] Foes Vow to Take Domain Name Fight to FCC > by Gene Koprowski > > 5:01 pm PST 6 Feb 97 - A proposal by the International Ad Hoc > Committee (IAHC) to expand the number of Internet top-level domain > names is stirring opposition among alternative domain name providers. [..] > Denninger said he received a leaked copy of the IACH proposal earlier > this week, and he and his colleagues are considering bringing their > protests to the FCC. "We're given open access under the telecom law," > says Denninger. "We might talk to the FCC or the Clinton > administration about this." Barring that, Denninger will lobby > Internet service providers around the country, asking them not to > recognize the new GTLDs. "There is no reason to support it. We will do > everything in our power to convince ISPs not to go along," he says. Karl's worried that the new GLTD system might mean that some sites will be unreachable, so he's going to lobby ISPs to not accept the new GLDTs to ensure that sites are unreachable? This reminds me of the Vietnam era "We had to destroy the village in order to save it." If I didn't already think that Karl was an idiot, I'd sure think so after reading this. -- Eric Murray ericm(a)lne.com ericm(a)motorcycle.com http://www.lne.com/ericm PGP keyid:E03F65E5 fingerprint:50 B0 A2 4C 7D 86 FC 03 92 E8 AC E6 7E 27 29 AF

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >(It is true that Vulis uses the phrase "Limey faggots," in reference to >beer-serving habits, but he does not directly insult any list members with >this phrase. If Sandy is calling this phrase a flame, then Cypherpunks will >be blocked from their usual characterizations of Congresscritters and NSA >stooges.) TCM defending Vulis, I think I've died and am in some strange dreamworld. hehehehe

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automated moderation system
by Vladimir Z. Nuri 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

here's an idea for a simple "moderation" system with no one-moderator bottleneck/choke point. I'm trying to come up with a constructive solution with cyberspatial spirit. please send me email if you would be willing to try this system. flames ignored. if there is enough support I may be able to persuade a friend to write the code to do this. a new mailing list is set up, one that gets posts from a noisy mailing list. it filters the mail according to user preferences, and sends it out to its own subscribers. the filtering scheme is as follows: a web site is set up that allows people to express their own preferences as to who they wish to listen to in particular, and who they wish to killfile, based on email address. first, they hit the web site and have it send them a secret password to their email address. then they use that password to edit their "pass" and "zap" lists. (the password is for authentication) now, the mailing list works as follows. people always receive posts from people they put on their "pass" lists. mail from entities on their "zap" lists is always trashed. why are the lists kept on the server? the usefulness of this scheme is that now you have information about all entities, the number of votes to "pass" each entity, and the number of votes to "zap" each entity. now lets say that the system is considering sending me mail from someone that is neither on my pass or zap lists. I have no personal info on it, but the system could use the votes in some algorithmic way to decide whether to send it to me or not. various experiments could be tried to come up with a good scheme. my preference is at the moment something like this: every person indicates how much mail they wish to recieve from the list, and how much of a delay is acceptable. the system uses this information and the "pass/zap" ratio (or difference) to send out the "highest rated" messages in a given time window. during low list traffic, the messages that pass through would be ranked lower. or, the system could have a ranking threshold set by each individual user below which it will never pass the email. my feeling is to keep these lists public, although the scheme would allow a system that kept them private. of course I will be flamed for this. the system of course is essentially a reputation system, something everyone here talks about but nobody really seems to know what one is or how to set one up. anyway, I hope to hear from anyone with comments. if you might be able to support a cgi web site for the idea, please let me know. technically the system is pretty straightforward. my experience with these systems is that the great difficulty is getting people to try them, the "critical mass" problem.

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:59 PM -0800 2/7/97, Vladimir Z. Nuri wrote: >> >>(It is true that Vulis uses the phrase "Limey faggots," in reference to >>beer-serving habits, but he does not directly insult any list members with >>this phrase. If Sandy is calling this phrase a flame, then Cypherpunks will >>be blocked from their usual characterizations of Congresscritters and NSA >>stooges.) > >TCM defending Vulis, I think I've died and am in some strange >dreamworld. hehehehe I'm arguing against two things: 1. The basic notion of centralized moderation, with the name "Cypherpunks" now closely associated with a Big Brotherish, "we know what's better for you than you do" sort of censorship. 2. The apparently careless and inconsistent way Sandy is censoring posts. As others have also noted, non-flamish posts are being sent to the Flames list. A censor who will not take the time to read the list traffic on a continuing basis, e.g., by spending the several hours a day on it that many of us spend (or used to spend), is not suited to be a censor. I suggested at the time of his self-appointment to the role of Censor that Sandy would not devote the needed time to this task. (Not that this makes censorship OK, mind you.) I'm not defending Vulis per se, and I continue to think Vulis is a twit. But one of the goals Vulis apparently set out to accomplish (just as you did a couple of years ago, Larry) was to force the list to start censoring itself, even to force the list to shut down. It seems likely that Vulis is quite happy with the outcome here. --Tim May Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Is Sandy really censoring criticisms of Stronghold, his product?
by Against Moderation 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Okay, I went through my old mail, and I'm fairly sure this is the message. I'm convinced it never went to the flames list, and now that I've found out I'm on the -unedited list after all, I think it probably didn't go to the regular cypherpunks list either. Can people on the various lists confirm this for me? Given the total lack of technical content, the flamey nature of the article, and the fact that it is verifiably false (stronghold source code is available), I can see people arguing it should have gone to -flames (though I would probably disagree). However, I don't want to debate that. What I object to more strongly and think is wrong is the fact that it went to *neither* list. A lot of people out there are subscribing to the cypherpunks-flames and cypherpunks lists thinking that they will see everything that gets rejected (albeit with a substantial delay). If this is not the case, it should be made clear. Otherwise, it's not moderation, but dishonesty. -- >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Thu Jan 30 17:26:50 1997 From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) Subject: Security alert!!! To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:15:21 EST Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y. Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA18833; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:17:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from uu.psi.com (uu.psi.com [38.9.86.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA18824; Thu, 30 Jan 1997 14:16:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA02017 for ; Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:57:10 -0500 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:19:19 EST for cypherpunks(a)toad.com Comments: All power to the ZOG! Message-Id: <aw5c2D4w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Lines: 19 WARNING: There's a rogue trojan horse out there on the internet known as the "stronghold web server". It's actually a hacked-up version of Apache with a backdoor, which allows hackers (or whoever knows the backdoor) to steal credit card numbers and other confidentil information on the Internet. Be careful! Always use encryption. Do not send confidential information 9such as passwords and credit card numbers) to any site running the trojan horse "stronghold". In general, beware of "snake oil" security products and hacked-up versions of free software. Please repost this warning to all relevant computer security forums. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: IEEE Communications
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>A friend called this evening to let me know the February issue is dedicated >to electronic cash and its implications. I'm no longer an IEEE member. If >any of the various list members care to excerpt and comment on some of the >more interesting portions, I'm sure it would be appreciated. > >--Steve Correction: It's the February issue of IEE Spectrum, subtitled "Technology and the Electronic Economy." --Steve

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Unix Network Monitor...
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- For those, who might be interested... == Forwarded Message Follows ========================================= Subject: SOFT> The Big Brother Unix Network Monitor Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:26:51 -0600 From: sean(a)iti.qc.ca http://www.iti.qc.ca/iti/users/sean/bb-dnld/ Big Brother is a free web-based Unix network monitoring tool. It watches disk space, CPU loads, important processes, Web servers, and connectivity and can page you if something really horrible happens. Free. Includes all source code. Version 1.03 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEUAgUBMvurZjltEBIEF0MBAQFPiQf3Tj6OUPexsGtM+OPwPzJA0LPnkGjT6xAB qKGDoOXuwbydvg9TQ8WuRqxYau/RucbjjDLeqcx+bsDBZMErsGy2SHN8wScjFsF/ G+60/0SRCFn9nSdqVOic7PL87Djtb9+m4/pPD+f3fWFeJ5o5sOePnkKyqwSKSSpy epxAR6dsb7KZQVsJM3khOqSjQcQf7zaCFYWEqxCft+qw5aaPU9HDXfmjY08uXHa6 DAUCT+gTIfZUdj4KzJKktS6AV+cSQGAPhsn7JrjrVMLcyv7BTcXEJ/yV2I3jEgwx sTP935MvfTYlvfq6dCFgOp/gs9oi2wC6kiQh6nEPHpHJ3yfFu3sv =twyY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Crack a Mac and win a fortune.
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A Swedish company, http://www.infinit.se/hacke/crack.html is offering a 10,000 Swedish Kronor reward to the first person to successfully attack (change information on) their web server. See their press release at http://www.infinit.se/hacke/release.html for details and the URL of the system to hack. Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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Re: More on Stronghold Charge - 1
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Return-Path: cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Disappearing articles? From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) Comments: All power to the ZOG! Date: Fri, 31 Jan 97 10:39:11 EST Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y. Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com We already know that Sandy's bot automatically discards submissions from people he doesn't like, irrespective of contents. In the past the rejected articles were tossed to the "flames" list. Now Sandy has gone one step further. The following article criticized the product Sandy is paid to peddle. It showed up on the 'unedited' list, but Sandy hated its contents so much that it hasn't made it to EITHER censored or the 'flames' list! This is the beginning of the censored article: To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Security alert!!! From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) Comments: All power to the ZOG! Message-Id: <aw5c2D4w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:15:21 EST Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y. Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk WARNING: There's a rogue trojan horse out there on the internet known as the "stronghold web server". It's actually a hacked-up version of Apache with a backdoor, which allows hackers (or whoever knows the backdoor) to steal credit card numbers and other confidentil information on the Internet. Be careful! Always use encryption. Do not send confidential information 9such as passwords and credit card numbers) to any site running the trojan horse "stronghold". In general, beware of "snake oil" security products and hacked-up versions of free software. Please repost this warning to all relevant computer security forums. (rest snipped to save bandwidth) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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17 Dec '03

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Re: lead remailer is shut down
by bs-org＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:58 1997-02-07 -0800, Ed Falk wrote: > >Can't remailers be written with basic spam safeguards? I.e. no mass >crossposts, limited # of posts by each individual client per day, etc.? Can anybody give me the address of reliable remailer which accepts pgp messages. BTW which remailer was shut down and why?

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Re: automated moderation system
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:15 PM 2/7/97 -0800, you wrote: [... re: a auto moderations system...] >now, the mailing list works as follows. people always receive >posts from people they put on their "pass" lists. mail from >entities on their "zap" lists is always trashed. This much, you can do on your own. Just filter "zap" messages to /dev/null or somesuch. (But I see its purpose; keep reading.) [... using other's pass/zap lists as reputation markers...] It's a good idea in theory, but would put a lot of load on the server. For every message * every list subscriber, it has to _at_least_ look up the pass/zap criteria, and possibly do some number- crunching based on the whole database of pass/zap lists, and keep track of how long each message has been sitting in the queue and its ratings by other people. Also, Mallet could skew the reputations by subscribing with a dozen other addresses (which M. created just to get the extra "votes"), decide to have all of them "zap" Alice, and then Bob might never see Alice's intelligent and thoughtful messages. (Presumably, Mallet keeps the bogus addresses subscribed, just dumping all mail into the bitbucket; any user who leaves the list shouldn't have any weight in the calculations any longer.) This also doesn't even address anonymous remailers; Chuck and Dave might both use the same remailer, even though Chuck only posts good, meaningful messages (in whatever context) and Dave only posts flaming ASCII art :) dave (who doesn't post flaming ascii art, honest) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAwUBMvuwDnEZTZHwCEpFAQHZMwf+MNIyeFS53QW4LxZzvitFi259xEso3bXT WXfAqJx7pF8aefZ7U2hBEwPzFyBR5fJWrn4Vekpl6ZK82xJsU2x6Az9+I2D1TYH/ dMAar9S+GcPPlyJ5QegWQ04VopmGzGvDZ69lL1mkJZnl9RT3jWOdVBcmUUUSqrsz LMGdVxrglx1QIkoZu/P69RheK37HJHiTG6pSokQRQPqyU2VVEwg44yJDicPfjlke raBLk6EiA6tJ2azKMshEBLm00EjGSHLmstRDqE8x6kb2WMMgCchL9KIe9XIz7fCN o0L8fTZMME7ZF82/sacnUnzdK6sJ5oAtmgUiT7cZm7Jqo3WU0OmUOw== =mSMn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Metzger, Denninger square off
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:24 PM 2/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >[Forwarded from Wired news. Let's cut to the chase: Which side is in the >right? Who can tell me, in plain and simple language, who is fighting for >individual freedom and property rights, and who is not?] Hee... I think they're both just after money. > 5:01 pm PST 6 Feb 97 - A proposal by the International Ad Hoc > Committee (IAHC) to expand the number of Internet top-level domain > names is stirring opposition among alternative domain name providers. Well, of course. AlterNIC does charge a few bucks for registering in some of their TLDs. I'm not sure about the other alternative-name servers, but somehow I doubt it's a charity program. And of course we all know about InterNIC's cash cow... [the proposed new TLDs] .firm .store Somehow, these two look rather similar to me. .web Actually a good idea :) A lot of the .com congestion is from companies that are virtually-hosted for the sole purpose of running a Web site with the www. prefix. .arts .rec .info How many of these would fit into the .org (or even .us) domains? .nom Nah. Just not classy enough. Now, a .nym TLD... :-) > They also think the new domain names will "fragment" the > Internet, leaving some users unable to communicate with others, if a > server does not recognize the name request. How so? AlterNIC et al. aren't exactly globally recognized anyway. If we're going to have more TLDs, it's at least less "bad" to have them coming from the place where names have been coming from anyway (InterNIC). No matter what, it'll be a long time before _any_ new TLDs are universally recognized, just because somewhere, someone's sysadmin is asleep at the wheel. (Probably at my ISP :) dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAwUBMvuybnEZTZHwCEpFAQGKFwf5AbWTx3mWlJ7QOsHnegxAb9Q9y5Dhi1EH If7qLWlZYPerjmWlSE72isintDADDdh81d9xyPJ1kYtR9KRE5p0WAbL5pf2sl6eT g7Z1LzS449cHesEmoSATeaDc0I0kqKVAxVUNyJxfraf6gGGquw2EpLtKZME6tV8o ESZEkXFp5bdKC3+Vf1PiuTixjnpDrgUhNshUB0xCKFDgYqGGAEoKSVO8cEYWNE4o VAH7eH537etNjnnE/r15BxHt9I3BxEU5lxM8/cuwpHKOSouGnghpLyAB426gllc4 PZNj6WhM/trkUkBj3BBWduB8DR4gwhPl71g1665IyLWMDpOLeItSpA== =4zWF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: lead remailer is shut down
by bs-org＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:58 1997-02-07 -0800, Ed Falk wrote: > >Can't remailers be written with basic spam safeguards? I.e. no mass >crossposts, limited # of posts by each individual client per day, etc.? Can anybody give me the address of reliable remailer which accepts pgp messages. BTW which remailer was shut down and why?

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Ken Bass (counsel for Phil Karn) Interviewed on "Real Time" Monday
by ISP-TV Main Contact 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** ISP-TV Program Announcement: Ken Bass (counsel for Phil Karn) interviewed live on "Real Time" *** *** Monday, Jan. 27 *** *** 9:00 PM ET *** Ken Bass is a partner in the firm of Venable, Baetjer, Howard & Civiletti, LLP, and is the head of that firm's Appellate Practice Group. Recently Venable served as counsel to Phil Karn during his dispute with the Department of State concerning export of a diskette containing the source code for cryptographic algorithms published in the book _Applied_ _Cryptography_, having already received permission to export the book. For the past 20 years Bass has practiced law in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area, concentrating in civil litigation and appellate advocacy. From 1977 until 1981 he left private practice to serve as the first Counsel for Intelligence Policy at the Department of Justice. In that position he advised the Attorney General and the White House on the legal aspects of a variety of intelligence and national security matters. He also has served as a Special Master in a FOIA litigation in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia to review code word classified files concerning the Iran hostage rescue mission for Judge Louis Oberdorfer. Call-in questions will be taken during the show at (301) 847-6571. **** This video interview can be viewed on the ISP-TV main CU-SeeMe reflector at IP 205.197.248.54, or other ISP-TV affiliate reflectors listed at http://isptv.digex.net/members.html. See URL http://isptv.digex.net for more information about the ISP-TV Network To get email about future programming on ISP-TV, email the word "subscribe" to isptv-prog-request(a)isptv.digex.net. To obtain Enhanced CU-SeeMe software, go to: http://goliath.wpine.com/cudownload.htm

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Re: Is Sandy really censoring criticisms of Stronghold, his product?
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My version of DV's ploy came via the unedited list. There was also a good, brief discussion about Vulis's multi-pronged Denial of Service attack on Cypherpunks, which came unedited, along with other informative comments about how a technologically adept attacker singles out a quarry amongst a lumbering, slumbering, cud- chewing herd. Quite beastly cryptoanarchistic.

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No Subject
by foolswisdom＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: ANNOUNCEMNT: February 1997 keysigning session
by Ed.Falk＠Eng.Sun.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We have enough people who want to have a PGP keysigning session at tommorrow's meeting to make it worthwhile. We'll probably be doing it at 17:00 or thereabouts. If you want to join in, let me know ASAP. Include your key or a pointer to where I can download it. -ed falk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBMvu/eDLd6HIbO1jdAQFFRQIAire/x65aP/tlAiYRT+sP2YbztX45P07I Hk9YqDrW0Yd6sdYNtIvdl6MreklF5sI6++IcDH0nGs1Ifam1cNbEyA== =rWsE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Hash functions
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. Mayo's reheated, refurbished, and regurgitated cud is completely inappropriate for the mailing lists into which it is cross-ruminated. o o o o o /~> <><><> <> Timothy C. Mayo o...(\ |||||| ||

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Crack a Mac and win a fortune.
by Martin Minow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A Swedish company, http://www.infinit.se/hacke/crack.html is offering a 10,000 Swedish Kronor reward to the first person to successfully attack (change information on) their web server. See their press release at http://www.infinit.se/hacke/release.html for details and the URL of the system to hack. Martin Minow minow(a)apple.com

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Re: lead remailer is shut down
by bs-org＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:58 1997-02-07 -0800, Ed Falk wrote: > >Can't remailers be written with basic spam safeguards? I.e. no mass >crossposts, limited # of posts by each individual client per day, etc.? Can anybody give me the address of reliable remailer which accepts pgp messages. BTW which remailer was shut down and why?

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Unix Network Monitor...
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- For those, who might be interested... == Forwarded Message Follows ========================================= Subject: SOFT> The Big Brother Unix Network Monitor Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:26:51 -0600 From: sean(a)iti.qc.ca http://www.iti.qc.ca/iti/users/sean/bb-dnld/ Big Brother is a free web-based Unix network monitoring tool. It watches disk space, CPU loads, important processes, Web servers, and connectivity and can page you if something really horrible happens. Free. Includes all source code. Version 1.03 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEUAgUBMvurZjltEBIEF0MBAQFPiQf3Tj6OUPexsGtM+OPwPzJA0LPnkGjT6xAB qKGDoOXuwbydvg9TQ8WuRqxYau/RucbjjDLeqcx+bsDBZMErsGy2SHN8wScjFsF/ G+60/0SRCFn9nSdqVOic7PL87Djtb9+m4/pPD+f3fWFeJ5o5sOePnkKyqwSKSSpy epxAR6dsb7KZQVsJM3khOqSjQcQf7zaCFYWEqxCft+qw5aaPU9HDXfmjY08uXHa6 DAUCT+gTIfZUdj4KzJKktS6AV+cSQGAPhsn7JrjrVMLcyv7BTcXEJ/yV2I3jEgwx sTP935MvfTYlvfq6dCFgOp/gs9oi2wC6kiQh6nEPHpHJ3yfFu3sv =twyY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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17 Dec '03

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Re: faulty moderation software: duplicate messages
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- All messages with "Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com" are received from the flames list. The difference between the unedited and moderated lists is that the moderated list changes the message ID, appending toad.com, and deletes all received headers before "majordom(a)localhost.*by toad.com". None of the messages are being doubled; this is just the result of buggy software Here's the recipe I use to filter out the three separate lists: :0 * ^Sender: owner-cypherpunks.*(a)toad.com { :0 * ^Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com flames :0 * -1^1 ^Received: * 3^1 ^Received:.*from majordom(a)localhost.*by toad.com * ^Message-Id:.*toad.com in.cpunks :0 unedited } -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMvuzrSzIPc7jvyFpAQFSywf/YqoJLI6crxcL9qJO/CXJKWMy5NCwilIX ZNgt5YkhMUpOzGtFLEYXdiw2XVisS0fWy2X7rGul7+BYYuVAM2tnOTKWuavufJXe KhIp41KKHe7dFWDarm5VwCt7pulRM4xVinpu0+T8M/1wfRLbC4bctJXGMSYSM9Pz U+IBqSbi3MkrE3lAwJtirvC3qDgQXvLqHQRVwYkv8wmVoQXGKCGuiM4YEu3TamvH bBPEPHfh7gbtVtBFiUri7jtGLHv6kROb0/wuREgkxHd0wLld/3L7GRClIgy8b+1K 6TeuoO32SA6tp+a9yytQUuf/WvueGdFSbLwXHozMvRu5+WOcqa8Hbw== =MQlk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Ken Bass (counsel for Phil Karn) Interviewed on "Real Time" Monday
by ISP-TV Main Contact 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*** ISP-TV Program Announcement: Ken Bass (counsel for Phil Karn) interviewed live on "Real Time" *** *** Monday, Jan. 27 *** *** 9:00 PM ET *** Ken Bass is a partner in the firm of Venable, Baetjer, Howard & Civiletti, LLP, and is the head of that firm's Appellate Practice Group. Recently Venable served as counsel to Phil Karn during his dispute with the Department of State concerning export of a diskette containing the source code for cryptographic algorithms published in the book _Applied_ _Cryptography_, having already received permission to export the book. For the past 20 years Bass has practiced law in the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area, concentrating in civil litigation and appellate advocacy. From 1977 until 1981 he left private practice to serve as the first Counsel for Intelligence Policy at the Department of Justice. In that position he advised the Attorney General and the White House on the legal aspects of a variety of intelligence and national security matters. He also has served as a Special Master in a FOIA litigation in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia to review code word classified files concerning the Iran hostage rescue mission for Judge Louis Oberdorfer. Call-in questions will be taken during the show at (301) 847-6571. **** This video interview can be viewed on the ISP-TV main CU-SeeMe reflector at IP 205.197.248.54, or other ISP-TV affiliate reflectors listed at http://isptv.digex.net/members.html. See URL http://isptv.digex.net for more information about the ISP-TV Network To get email about future programming on ISP-TV, email the word "subscribe" to isptv-prog-request(a)isptv.digex.net. To obtain Enhanced CU-SeeMe software, go to: http://goliath.wpine.com/cudownload.htm

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Re: Metzger, Denninger square off
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:24 PM 2/7/97 -0500, you wrote: >[Forwarded from Wired news. Let's cut to the chase: Which side is in the >right? Who can tell me, in plain and simple language, who is fighting for >individual freedom and property rights, and who is not?] Hee... I think they're both just after money. > 5:01 pm PST 6 Feb 97 - A proposal by the International Ad Hoc > Committee (IAHC) to expand the number of Internet top-level domain > names is stirring opposition among alternative domain name providers. Well, of course. AlterNIC does charge a few bucks for registering in some of their TLDs. I'm not sure about the other alternative-name servers, but somehow I doubt it's a charity program. And of course we all know about InterNIC's cash cow... [the proposed new TLDs] .firm .store Somehow, these two look rather similar to me. .web Actually a good idea :) A lot of the .com congestion is from companies that are virtually-hosted for the sole purpose of running a Web site with the www. prefix. .arts .rec .info How many of these would fit into the .org (or even .us) domains? .nom Nah. Just not classy enough. Now, a .nym TLD... :-) > They also think the new domain names will "fragment" the > Internet, leaving some users unable to communicate with others, if a > server does not recognize the name request. How so? AlterNIC et al. aren't exactly globally recognized anyway. If we're going to have more TLDs, it's at least less "bad" to have them coming from the place where names have been coming from anyway (InterNIC). No matter what, it'll be a long time before _any_ new TLDs are universally recognized, just because somewhere, someone's sysadmin is asleep at the wheel. (Probably at my ISP :) dave -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAwUBMvuybnEZTZHwCEpFAQGKFwf5AbWTx3mWlJ7QOsHnegxAb9Q9y5Dhi1EH If7qLWlZYPerjmWlSE72isintDADDdh81d9xyPJ1kYtR9KRE5p0WAbL5pf2sl6eT g7Z1LzS449cHesEmoSATeaDc0I0kqKVAxVUNyJxfraf6gGGquw2EpLtKZME6tV8o ESZEkXFp5bdKC3+Vf1PiuTixjnpDrgUhNshUB0xCKFDgYqGGAEoKSVO8cEYWNE4o VAH7eH537etNjnnE/r15BxHt9I3BxEU5lxM8/cuwpHKOSouGnghpLyAB426gllc4 PZNj6WhM/trkUkBj3BBWduB8DR4gwhPl71g1665IyLWMDpOLeItSpA== =4zWF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: IEEE Communications
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>A friend called this evening to let me know the February issue is dedicated >to electronic cash and its implications. I'm no longer an IEEE member. If >any of the various list members care to excerpt and comment on some of the >more interesting portions, I'm sure it would be appreciated. > >--Steve Correction: It's the February issue of IEE Spectrum, subtitled "Technology and the Electronic Economy." --Steve

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Re: automated moderation system
by David E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:15 PM 2/7/97 -0800, you wrote: [... re: a auto moderations system...] >now, the mailing list works as follows. people always receive >posts from people they put on their "pass" lists. mail from >entities on their "zap" lists is always trashed. This much, you can do on your own. Just filter "zap" messages to /dev/null or somesuch. (But I see its purpose; keep reading.) [... using other's pass/zap lists as reputation markers...] It's a good idea in theory, but would put a lot of load on the server. For every message * every list subscriber, it has to _at_least_ look up the pass/zap criteria, and possibly do some number- crunching based on the whole database of pass/zap lists, and keep track of how long each message has been sitting in the queue and its ratings by other people. Also, Mallet could skew the reputations by subscribing with a dozen other addresses (which M. created just to get the extra "votes"), decide to have all of them "zap" Alice, and then Bob might never see Alice's intelligent and thoughtful messages. (Presumably, Mallet keeps the bogus addresses subscribed, just dumping all mail into the bitbucket; any user who leaves the list shouldn't have any weight in the calculations any longer.) This also doesn't even address anonymous remailers; Chuck and Dave might both use the same remailer, even though Chuck only posts good, meaningful messages (in whatever context) and Dave only posts flaming ASCII art :) dave (who doesn't post flaming ascii art, honest) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQEVAwUBMvuwDnEZTZHwCEpFAQHZMwf+MNIyeFS53QW4LxZzvitFi259xEso3bXT WXfAqJx7pF8aefZ7U2hBEwPzFyBR5fJWrn4Vekpl6ZK82xJsU2x6Az9+I2D1TYH/ dMAar9S+GcPPlyJ5QegWQ04VopmGzGvDZ69lL1mkJZnl9RT3jWOdVBcmUUUSqrsz LMGdVxrglx1QIkoZu/P69RheK37HJHiTG6pSokQRQPqyU2VVEwg44yJDicPfjlke raBLk6EiA6tJ2azKMshEBLm00EjGSHLmstRDqE8x6kb2WMMgCchL9KIe9XIz7fCN o0L8fTZMME7ZF82/sacnUnzdK6sJ5oAtmgUiT7cZm7Jqo3WU0OmUOw== =mSMn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: ANNOUNCEMNT: February 1997 keysigning session
by Ed Falk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- We have enough people who want to have a PGP keysigning session at tommorrow's meeting to make it worthwhile. We'll probably be doing it at 17:00 or thereabouts. If you want to join in, let me know ASAP. Include your key or a pointer to where I can download it. -ed falk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQBVAwUBMvu/eDLd6HIbO1jdAQFFRQIAire/x65aP/tlAiYRT+sP2YbztX45P07I Hk9YqDrW0Yd6sdYNtIvdl6MreklF5sI6++IcDH0nGs1Ifam1cNbEyA== =rWsE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by My Account 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTT IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII TTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *************************************************************************************** *** TAG, YOU' RE IT !!!!!! *** ***************************************************************************************You have been a victim in The Great E-mail Game of Tag! There are no tagbacks, and you must send this to someone else to rid yourself of being it!Send this to friends, classmates, co-workers, famous people, jerks, orfools. Send another copy to other people to start your own game! Just remember to have fun!

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BXA Encryption Regs
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Federal Register: February 7, 1997, Page 5797-5798: Bureau of Export Administration Sensors and Instrumentation Technical Advisory Committee; Partially Closed Meeting A meeting will be held March 4, 1997, 9 a.m., in the Herbert C. Hoover Building, Room 1617M-2, 14th Street between Constitution and Pennsylvania Avenues, N.W., Washington, DC. Agenda, General Session 1. Opening remarks by the Chairman. 2. Report on the status of The Wassenaar Arrangement. 3. Discussion on the Encryption Reg. 4. Presentation of papers or comments by the public. ---------- A bit more on this in the full notice at: http://jya.com/bxa020797.txt ---------- Note: February 13 is the cutoff for comments on EAR for EI: http://jya.com/bxa123096.txt

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is there a FAQ
by Rodney Thayer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am trying to run IPSEC on Linux and I have questions. Before I ask, is there an FAQ? Rodney Thayer <rodney(a)sabletech.com> +1 617 332 7292 Sable Technology Corp, 246 Walnut St., Newton MA 02160 USA Fax: +1 617 332 7970 http://www.shore.net/~sable "Developers of communications software"

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Re: is there a FAQ
by Hugh Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Currently the only documentation for the Linux IPSEC is the INSTALL file. There is no FAQ. If someone from a free country (not the one controled by the USG gang) is interested in writing some doc or a FAQ that would be great! I am working on getting 3DES working (it's in the ipsec-0.4 code base, but no doc on how to configure it!) now and could use more documentation my self. ||ugh Daniel Linux FreeSWAN Project hugh(a)toad.com

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Sandy suppresses truth about his moderation policy
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Below are some interesting facts implying that: 1) Sandy uses a bot to reject articles of people he does not like 2) When I exposed him with an article showing all Received: dates, he a) rejected the article exposing him and b) changed his moderation software so that Received: headers for the cypherpunks-flames do not show the times when messages came in 3) Sandy apologized to Tim May for rejecting one of Vulis's articles, and yet he rejects my message quoting same article. I question how genuine were his apologies to Tim. At this point, I have enough data to conclude that * Sandy is not a good moderator * Sandy does not have the interests of his readership in his mind * Sandy should not be trusted At this point, two events are likely to happen: either moderation ceases, or Sandy and John will pull the plug on the unedited and flames list. - Igor. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Note that there are no more incoming Received: lines in the message that went to flames, BUT yesterday the received lines were there. Note also that my address (From: line) has been rewritten in such a way that my name disappeared. I believe that the latter is due to a sloppy perl script that got screwed up by presence of "@" character in my name. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Received: (from geek@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.3/8.8.2) id SAA06751 for ichudov; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 18:57:04 -0600 Received: (from root@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.3/8.8.2) with UUCP id JAA03038 for geek+test+cypherpunks-flames(a)algebra.com; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:12:23 -0600 Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id KAA16283 for <geek+test+cypherpunks-flames(a)algebra.com>; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 10:11:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA24873; Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:11:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199702071511.HAA24873(a)toad.com> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 01:34:36 -0600 (CST) From: ichudov(a)algebra.com To: Cypherpunks <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>, tcmay(a)got.net Subject: Re: anonymous remailers Sender: geek(a)algebra.com Precedence: bulk Status: RO [I am sending a copy of my article to Tim just to make sure] Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > SANDY SANDFORT > . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > > C'punks, > > On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Timothy C. May wrote: > > > Why was this message (attached below) sent to the "Flames" list? (*) It > > contains an assertion that the remailer operators are colluding to reveal > > identities, and this is surely a fit topic for discussion. > > > > (* I have temporarily subscribed to the Flames list to see just what it is > > being filtered or censored by Sandy. I received this message, and it had > > the header "Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com," thus I surmise it > > is a "Flames" message. It would help, by the way, if messages were more > > clearly labelled by the Moderator as to which bucket he placed them in.) > > Currently, there are three lists. It looks as though the message > in question appeared on the Unedited list. This is NOT the same > as the Flames list. > > I don't recall where I sorted that particular post to after I > read it on the Unedited list. If it went to the "wrong" list, > my apologies to the author. As I indicated before, I don't think I am attaching Vulis's posting below, so that the mistake could be corrected. Judging by the dates in the headers, it went to flames list in 3 seconds after arrival to toad.com. That makes me think that somehow it got routed there without human involvement. > a 100% solution is possible, but I think I'm running in the high > 90s under the criteria I enunciated. Not perfection, but a > definite improvement over the prior condition. I see three problems with the current state of the list: 1) There is no charter and no criteria that I am aware of, so your 90% statement is meaningless 2) Moderation policy has not been set (or voted upon) by the readers, therefore it was not optimised to serve the readers 3) Crypto-relevant posts, not containing any flames, get rejected. >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Thu Feb 6 22:20:35 1997 Return-Path: <cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com> Received: (from root@localhost) by manifold.algebra.com (8.8.3/8.8.2) with UUCP id WAA12996; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:20:29 -0600 Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by www.video-collage.com (8.8.5/8.8.0) with ESMTP id XAA01326; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 23:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA08550; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:13:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from uu.psi.com (uu.psi.com [38.9.86.2]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA08545; Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA07700 for ; Thu, 6 Feb 97 23:07:09 -0500 Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 06 Feb 97 22:24:48 EST for cypherpunks(a)toad.com To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: anonymous remailers From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) Comments: All power to the ZOG! Message-Id: <iJkq2D46w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Thu, 06 Feb 97 22:22:05 EST In-Reply-To: <32fa39d8.16371604(a)mail-relay.internetmci.com> Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y. Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk Status: RO c.musselman(a)internetmci.com (Charley Musselman) writes: > C'punks -- > When I told a friend about the alt.drugs.pot cultivation newsgroup > and suggested that he use an anonymous remailer to post to the group, > he laughed and said, "Who do you suppose runs the remailers? ATF, > FBI, DEA, that's who!" Gee, it makes sense to this paranoid. Does > anyone know the answer? Specifically, how can we choose a trusted > remailer? Even if the feds are not directtly involved, the so-called "cypher punk" remailers are run by people who should not be trusted. Check out their remailer-operators list: it's full of announcements that some specific person posted something via the remailer that the operator didn't like. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"mpd(a)netcom.com" "Mike Duvos" 7-FEB-1997 20:56:39.36 >That's all very nice, but I should point out that I have not yet >seen my message to which you are responding on the filtered list. >Others mileage may vary. IIRC, Majordomo sends out messages _approximately_ in the order of the person's subscription. In any event, it has to send them out in _some_ order, and on a mailing list as large as cypherpunks, it's going to take a while to get from one end to the other. -Allen

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Dear Cypherpunks /from NHK Clew
by hanabusa＠bnn-net.or.jp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear Cypherpunks, We are a film crew from NHK, Japanese Public Television (Japan's largest TV network). As you may have all seen the announcement posting, we would like to attend tomorrow's CP physical meeting for filming. We consider the "Crypto War" you are all fighting, not only a U.S domestic issue. It is a historic process which would effect the basic order/system of the global network society for the 21st century. In the midst of the ongoing changes of the idea of how a nation, a corporation and an individual ought to be, we would like to portray your assertions and proposals through the discussions of tomorrow's CP meeting, demonstrations, speeches and booings(just kidding..). We assure you all that we will do our best not be of your distractions. (I know you won't, but) I hope you don't show up with a tie and a three piece suit just because you'll be on TV... ;-) We look forward to the usual (or perhaps more than ever) Cypherpunkish meeting tomorrow! _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Shuichiro Hanabusa (hanabusa(a)bnn-net.or.jp) Producer/Special Programs NHK Enterprises 21 Inc. Location: San Mateo/Carifornia _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/

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Brassard on Grover's Shake
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Gilles Brassard writes on Grover's "quantum shake" searching algorithm, demonstrates how it would break DES, and assays the promise of QC research. He notes that enviable NSA funds favor LAQC. ----- http://jya.com/qshake.htm

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Enlightened commentary on Netizen.
by das＠razor.engr.sgi.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

First, Rebecca Vesely has a special report, the main thrust of which is that three firms being allowed to export 56 bit encryption indicates flexibility on the part of the government. http://www.netizen.com/netizen/97/05/special2a.html To top it off, here are two gems from the followup discussion. http://www.netizen.com/cgi-bin/interact/replies_all?msg.37387 2. 56 ONLY A SLIGHTLY SMALLER JOKE Ric Allan (ricrok) on Wed, 5 Feb 97 11:53 PST If it takes a college student four hours to break a 40bit code it should take him/her about six hours to do the same to 56bits. Then what excuses are the government and its butt-kissing companies going to give us for not allowing *real* coding? 4. 56bits will not take 6 hours to crack Piers Cawley (pdcawley) on Thu, 6 Feb 97 05:05 PST Rick seems to be missing the point about strong encryption -- the reason that DES/IDEA encryption is hard to crack is because the key system is based on the fact that factoring big numbers is a long, slow tedious process which gets exponentially harder as the length of the number increases. What this means is that it'll probably take the college student, ooh... 24 hours to crack a 56 bit key. However, the question has to be asked, why the fuck should we non US citizens go and buy cryptographic software that is deliberately coded to allow the US government to read our mail? -- Anil Das

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Re: NETLINK_IPSEC
by Hugh Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The #define you are looking for is in: /usr/src/linux/include/net/ip_forward.h in my 2.0.25 source tree. I sugjest that you upgrate to the current 2.0.XX kernel (I have used 2..0.28 with the ipsec-0.4 distrabution). ||ugh Daniel Linux FreeSWAN Project hugh(a)toad.com

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Re: My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"mpd(a)netcom.com" "Mike Duvos" 7-FEB-1997 20:56:39.36 >That's all very nice, but I should point out that I have not yet >seen my message to which you are responding on the filtered list. >Others mileage may vary. IIRC, Majordomo sends out messages _approximately_ in the order of the person's subscription. In any event, it has to send them out in _some_ order, and on a mailing list as large as cypherpunks, it's going to take a while to get from one end to the other. -Allen

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NETLINK_IPSEC
by Jeremey Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- When running 'make modules', NETLINK_IPSEC and IPFWD_NOTTLDEC are undeclared. I added NETLINK_IPSEC to include/net/netlink.h, but IPFWD_NOTTLDEC is not to be found. I'm running kernel 2.0.0, the INSTALL.txt file in the ipsec distribution mentions 2.0.24, is that the minimum kernel to run on? Thanks. - -- =-----------------------------------------------------------------------= Jeremey Barrett VeriWeb Internet Corp. Senior Software Engineer http://www.veriweb.com/ PGP Key fingerprint = 3B 42 1E D4 4B 17 0D 80 DC 59 6F 59 04 C3 83 64 =-----------------------------------------------------------------------= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMvvG3C/fy+vkqMxNAQECrQQAgjHE7CIQZyTHV9wfLvuoxk8TkOVHMSJD +gpHAme20wSOOtIVw3ZBJxDvCiFiyHFaoEI0o/Xkqs6fXUoRgjQkLvuSJi3dgm+N 3gVB7Gf14dK14qChJyEyPMlMXAe2hWehxojTizS2LHfX7gvzPHMN0D5DGEKsM+MN wYfDdGzNsX8= =lK+H -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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