December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: "Why am I being completely censored"?
by Firebeard 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>>>> John Gilmore writes: JG> Hmm. Your message that I just received, about this problem, was JG> cc'd to cypherpunks. It did not make it into the JG> cypherpunks-unedited list. In examining the message header JG> itself, there is an "Approved: yes" line. My guess is that your JG> attempt to be too tricky has screwed you. It appears that this was the problem. Deal with a self-moderated newsgroup, and ent up with self-censorship. *shrug*. I wish that John had helped to resolve the problem before I made it public, but that's life. -- #include <disclaimer.h> /* Sten Drescher */ ObCDABait: For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is as the flesh of asses, and whose issue is like the issue of horses. [Eze 23:20] ObFelony: President Clinton, you suck, and those boys died! Unsolicited bulk email will be stored and handled for a US$500/KB fee.

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WANTED: Tolerant, anonymity-friendly news admins
by lcs Remailer Administrator 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Because of recent attacks on the remailer network and mail2news gateways, I may loose access to at least one of the news servers I currently feed news to from my mail2news gateway. If you are a news administrator, believe in free speech and anonymity, and you would like to help the cause, please consider giving transfer (aka "IHAVE" or "hosts.nntp") privileges to this machine. You will not be the only server, and so do not need to worry about being the point of entrance of mail2news articles to Usenet. Please contact me if you can help. Thank you. For those who oppose the existence of mail2news gateways, you should know that we are taking steps to limit the abuse. However, doing so without in any way limiting articles that abide by the usage policy is tricky, and must be done carefully. Please be patient.

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Re: anonymous remailers
by Jeremiah A Blatz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- c.musselman(a)internetmci.com (Charley Musselman) writes: > C'punks -- > When I told a friend about the alt.drugs.pot cultivation newsgroup > and suggested that he use an anonymous remailer to post to the group, > he laughed and said, "Who do you suppose runs the remailers? ATF, > FBI, DEA, that's who!" Gee, it makes sense to this paranoid. Does > anyone know the answer? Specifically, how can we choose a trusted > remailer? The solution is not to choose a trusted remailer, but to choose a group of remailers and send your message through each one sequentially. If you use encryption, and any one of the remailers you send your message through is trustworthy, than it is difficult or impossible for someone to trace your message. Here are some places to go to find more info on remailers: http://WWW.CSUA.Berkeley.EDU/cypherpunks/remailer/ http://www.stack.nl/~galactus/remailers/index-anon.html http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html (Look at the bottom, there's everything you need to know there.) Please bear in mind that anon.penet.fi no longer exists, and that it wasn't all that secure when it did. Hope this helps, and happy growing :-) Jer "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMvpd9skz/YzIV3P5AQGIyAL/eFZ1sLcO0Gx/0BadHnhQVzJZowmJOcAq uChnzxSZmSQ8VRSHNjSh8H5i65jw1BIqWlsA8Oe7jnhRcPIqOcmNIdtTJwXP4qV7 HJO+uZwwKP7td5HPTzjD1f8iyO9VIRCj =p5V+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Cypherpunks FOIA request
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:49 PM 2/5/97 -0800, Lucky Green wrote: >My attorney used to fly planes with nuclear cargo. Another friend of mine >has been visited several times by the FBI. In either case, the FBI claimed >upon receiving an FOIA request that they have no record on either person. >Does anybody here believe that the USAF would let pilots take off with >nukes on board without ever conducting a background investigation (which >are handled by the FBI)? I didn't think so. Background investigations for defense contractors are handled by DISCO, the Defense Industrial Security Clearance Office; I don't know if they also do internal military clearance work, but I'd assume it's _somebody_ on the military side rather than FBI, though presumably the military does also check FBI records (and the FBI probably doesn't have a blanket policy of always lying to the military :-) Nuclear clearances presumably go into more depth... As far as your friend being visited by the FBI several times, that's obviously part of an ongoing criminal investigation (:-), so they don't have to tell you. If they're still thinking about going back and harassing your friend, it's still ongoing, even if they now know that he is or is not a Commie Sympathizer. That, or they could have just been unable to find the records. Anything computerized should be findable (doesn't mean it _is_, just that it should be), though they're probably more organized about finding things they want to find than finding things you want them to find. But records that exist only on paper are a lot tougher to wade through; you can't grep dead trees, and if your friend was being checked out as "somebody suspicious who knows somebody we're trying to investigate/harass", the files may not be indentified under your friend's name, or may be stored in some big warehouse where nobody's waded through them in decades. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Kool! Klassy! Klever!
by starvino＠gte.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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(K.R.A.P.P.E.R. = Keeping Responsible Americas Perpetually Prosperous, Entertained and Rewarded) If your Kredit is in the Krapper and your monthly credit card bills are more than your mortgage payments and grocery bill combined then: 1) you are in trouble, and 2) You are just like millions of others who need help NOW. ANNOUNCING THE LAUNCH OF DEBTKRAPPER, without doubt the most unique off the wall lucrative opportunity to make a lot of money & enjoy a good laugh. Our highly entertaining and prestigious weekly newsletter, the ROYAL FLUSH, is designed to bring a smile to your face while helping put YOUR bills in the Krapper where they belong! If your lottery tickets are worth less than toilet paper and youre not laughing all the way to the bank, join the newest, hottest, funniest, most positive way to wipe out your debts - permanently. (Unofficial motto: It may not be much, but it sure beats the Krap out of debt!) 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(K.R.A.P.P.E.R. = Keeping Responsible Americas Perpetually Prosperous, Entertained and Rewarded) If your Kredit is in the Krapper and your monthly credit card bills are more than your mortgage payments and grocery bill combined then: 1) you are in trouble, and 2) You are just like millions of others who need help NOW. ANNOUNCING THE LAUNCH OF DEBTKRAPPER, without doubt the most unique off the wall lucrative opportunity to make a lot of money & enjoy a good laugh. Our highly entertaining and prestigious weekly newsletter, the ROYAL FLUSH, is designed to bring a smile to your face while helping put YOUR bills in the Krapper where they belong! If your lottery tickets are worth less than toilet paper and youre not laughing all the way to the bank, join the newest, hottest, funniest, most positive way to wipe out your debts - permanently. (Unofficial motto: It may not be much, but it sure beats the Krap out of debt!) 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(K.R.A.P.P.E.R. = Keeping Responsible Americas Perpetually Prosperous, Entertained and Rewarded) If your Kredit is in the Krapper and your monthly credit card bills are more than your mortgage payments and grocery bill combined then: 1) you are in trouble, and 2) You are just like millions of others who need help NOW. ANNOUNCING THE LAUNCH OF DEBTKRAPPER, without doubt the most unique off the wall lucrative opportunity to make a lot of money & enjoy a good laugh. Our highly entertaining and prestigious weekly newsletter, the ROYAL FLUSH, is designed to bring a smile to your face while helping put YOUR bills in the Krapper where they belong! If your lottery tickets are worth less than toilet paper and youre not laughing all the way to the bank, join the newest, hottest, funniest, most positive way to wipe out your debts - permanently. (Unofficial motto: It may not be much, but it sure beats the Krap out of debt!) 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(K.R.A.P.P.E.R. = Keeping Responsible Americas Perpetually Prosperous, Entertained and Rewarded) If your Kredit is in the Krapper and your monthly credit card bills are more than your mortgage payments and grocery bill combined then: 1) you are in trouble, and 2) You are just like millions of others who need help NOW. ANNOUNCING THE LAUNCH OF DEBTKRAPPER, without doubt the most unique off the wall lucrative opportunity to make a lot of money & enjoy a good laugh. Our highly entertaining and prestigious weekly newsletter, the ROYAL FLUSH, is designed to bring a smile to your face while helping put YOUR bills in the Krapper where they belong! If your lottery tickets are worth less than toilet paper and youre not laughing all the way to the bank, join the newest, hottest, funniest, most positive way to wipe out your debts - permanently. (Unofficial motto: It may not be much, but it sure beats the Krap out of debt!) DEBTKRAPPER - MORE THAN JUST ANOTHER PRETTY MLM: 7 3 x 7 forced matrix + extras 7 the most FUN NEWSLETTER on the Internet (also the most modest) * Up to $6400/month from the original matrix * extensive company advertising = SPILLOVER! For more information on the NEWEST, NUTTIEST way to earn a LUCRATIVE, RESIDUAL income, e-mail with "DK-Info" in subject line to: starvino(a)gte.net This is a company-sponsored ad. You will be placed in the highest available spot in the COMPANY matrix. IMPORTANT: We're looking for one more "MLM pro" to head up our 3rd and final company leg .. if you think you qualify, let us know! If this message has reached you in error, we apologize. Your name will be automatically & permanently deleted from our files if you do not reply. DebtKrapper??? (K.R.A.P.P.E.R. = Keeping Responsible Americas Perpetually Prosperous, Entertained and Rewarded) If your Kredit is in the Krapper and your monthly credit card bills are more than your mortgage payments and grocery bill combined then: 1) you are in trouble, and 2) You are just like millions of others who need help NOW. ANNOUNCING THE LAUNCH OF DEBTKRAPPER, without doubt the most unique off the wall lucrative opportunity to make a lot of money & enjoy a good laugh. Our highly entertaining and prestigious weekly newsletter, the ROYAL FLUSH, is designed to bring a smile to your face while helping put YOUR bills in the Krapper where they belong! If your lottery tickets are worth less than toilet paper and youre not laughing all the way to the bank, join the newest, hottest, funniest, most positive way to wipe out your debts - permanently. (Unofficial motto: It may not be much, but it sure beats the Krap out of debt!) DEBTKRAPPER - MORE THAN JUST ANOTHER PRETTY MLM: 7 3 x 7 forced matrix + extras 7 the most FUN NEWSLETTER on the Internet (also the most modest) * Up to $6400/month from the original matrix * extensive company advertising = SPILLOVER! For more information on the NEWEST, NUTTIEST way to earn a LUCRATIVE, RESIDUAL income, e-mail with "DK-Info" in subject line to: starvino(a)gte.net This is a company-sponsored ad. You will be placed in the highest available spot in the COMPANY matrix. IMPORTANT: We're looking for one more "MLM pro" to head up our 3rd and final company leg .. if you think you qualify, let us know! If this message has reached you in error, we apologize. Your name will be automatically & permanently deleted from our files if you do not reply. DebtKrapper??? (K.R.A.P.P.E.R. = Keeping Responsible Americas Perpetually Prosperous, Entertained and Rewarded) If your Kredit is in the Krapper and your monthly credit card bills are more than your mortgage payments and grocery bill combined then: 1) you are in trouble, and 2) You are just like millions of others who need help NOW. ANNOUNCING THE LAUNCH OF DEBTKRAPPER, without doubt the most unique off the wall lucrative opportunity to make a lot of money & enjoy a good laugh. Our highly entertaining and prestigious weekly newsletter, the ROYAL FLUSH, is designed to bring a smile to your face while helping put YOUR bills in the Krapper where they belong! If your lottery tickets are worth less than toilet paper and youre not laughing all the way to the bank, join the newest, hottest, funniest, most positive way to wipe out your debts - permanently. (Unofficial motto: It may not be much, but it sure beats the Krap out of debt!) DEBTKRAPPER - MORE THAN JUST ANOTHER PRETTY MLM: 7 3 x 7 forced matrix + extras 7 the most FUN NEWSLETTER on the Internet (also the most modest) * Up to $6400/month from the original matrix * extensive company advertising = SPILLOVER! For more information on the NEWEST, NUTTIEST way to earn a LUCRATIVE, RESIDUAL income, e-mail with "DK-Info" in subject line to: starvino(a)gte.net This is a company-sponsored ad. You will be placed in the highest available spot in the COMPANY matrix. IMPORTANT: We're looking for one more "MLM pro" to head up our 3rd and final company leg .. if you think you qualify, let us know! If this message has reached you in error, we apologize. Your name will be automatically & permanently deleted from our files if you do not reply. DebtKrapper??? (K.R.A.P.P.E.R. = Keeping Responsible Americas Perpetually Prosperous, Entertained and Rewarded) If your Kredit is in the Krapper and your monthly credit card bills are more than your mortgage payments and grocery bill combined then: 1) you are in trouble, and 2) You are just like millions of others who need help NOW. ANNOUNCING THE LAUNCH OF DEBTKRAPPER, without doubt the most unique off the wall lucrative opportunity to make a lot of money & enjoy a good laugh. Our highly entertaining and prestigious weekly newsletter, the ROYAL FLUSH, is designed to bring a smile to your face while helping put YOUR bills in the Krapper where they belong! If your lottery tickets are worth less than toilet paper and youre not laughing all the way to the bank, join the newest, hottest, funniest, most positive way to wipe out your debts - permanently. (Unofficial motto: It may not be much, but it sure beats the Krap out of debt!) DEBTKRAPPER - MORE THAN JUST ANOTHER PRETTY MLM: 7 3 x 7 forced matrix + extras 7 the most FUN NEWSLETTER on the Internet (also the most modest) * Up to $6400/month from the original matrix * extensive company advertising = SPILLOVER! For more information on the NEWEST, NUTTIEST way to earn a LUCRATIVE, RESIDUAL income, e-mail with "DK-Info" in subject line to: starvino(a)gte.net This is a company-sponsored ad. You will be placed in the highest available spot in the COMPANY matrix. IMPORTANT: We're looking for one more "MLM pro" to head up our 3rd and final company leg .. if you think you qualify, let us know!

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Updated type2.list/pubring.mix
by John A. Perry 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I have just updated the type2.list/pubring.mix combination on jpunix.com. This change reflects the retirement of the lead remailer. The files are available by anon FTP from ftp.jpunix.com as well as by Web from www.jpunix.com. John Perry KG5RG perry(a)alpha.jpunix.com PGP-encrypted e-mail welcome! Amateur Radio Address: kg5rg(a)kg5rg.ampr.org WWW - http://www.jpunix.com PGP 2.62 key for perry(a)jpunix.com is on the keyservers. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMvphXlOTpEThrthvAQGUUQP+Ky4BkG/WYyVKCp0gAANWIGF6or7yd0nm IKCxRSMr2YU2znuEmks0DfxgxEeXMO5ZC7squdWkHnQJ6IDfBPydYn7KMNV+oUAu QjH9lTEVqnlJk515xSC5lCZwqTgMwHBZZhGJyvYlJam5A3EZLrALdFUFdFagKWRN 3dc5iLDuZ94= =pAwB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: e$ plug, Moderation, Cypherpunks as a bird in the bush
by Bryce 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A million monkeys operating under the pseudonym "Greg Broiles <gbroiles(a)netbox.com>" typed: > > I think that Bob's e$ list should be considered a viable alternative to the > other two filtered cpunks lists; I recommend it to people looking for a > moderated alternative to the list. I like "e$", although I seem to be too busy to contribute regularly to _any_ forum recently. (I'm always available for Real Life Meetings in local bars, though... Anybody going to visit Amsterdam soon?) > I've been meaning to write up a long message explaining why I think I'm about > to drop off of the list. It's peculiar to spend a lot of time discussing > things with a group of people over the course of several years and then > disappear without saying why. But I'm having trouble coming up with anything > more profound than "it's not interesting any more." Hey, that's a sufficiently profound "death of cpunks" statement for me. I feel the same way-- though I've never been a very active participant, I really dropped out a few months ago. I feel like there is more to learn and discuss. _Much_ more. It keeps me awake at night sometimes, not knowing exactly what it is but waiting for it. But I've had my fill of cypherpunks, and my Objectivist newsgroup (humanities.philosophy.objectivism), and simplistic libertarianism. Keep in touch. :-) Bryce Not speaking for DigiCash. PGP sig follows -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i Comment: Auto-signed under Unix with 'BAP' Easy-PGP v1.1b2 iQB1AwUBMvpXvUjbHy8sKZitAQGJ4gL+LClz+b4VwAQdFra5GowzNDOqKEqnhpib yri3mEEFKU9x35J9Dqu8XHu/TQOJuB5S8LdAmtesvLuKEGkjpVKPHXrSDik5efyp rWY9pJbjq/UBqYosCgx2PzHILTsh/UMw =ZVwu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Wimsey cryptography archive is moving to Mindlink
by markh＠wimsey.bc.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Subject: Wimsey cryptography archive is moving to Mindlink The Wimsey cryptography archive at ftp://ftp.wimsey.com/pub/crypto is moving to MIND LINK (http://www.mindlink.net) You can now access the contents of the cryptography archive at its new location ftp://ftp.mindlink.net/pub/crypto The archive has been at Wimsey for about five years. I'd like to thank the folks at Wimsey for providing disk space, bandwidth, technical expertise, and for supporting the distribution of ~140MB of cryptography papers and software on the Internet. As with Wimsey, MIND LINK is providing disk space and bandwidth for the archive at no charge to me or the users of the archive. Thanks should go to MIND LINK for providing this as a service to the Internet community. Two small notes: 1. I assume sole responsibility for the contents of the archive. The folks at MIND LINK are generously providing facilties at no charge above their usual access fees, but they are not necessarily even aware of the exact contents of the archive. My only connection with MIND LINK is as a customer. 2. Please do not attempt to use the MIND LINK crypto archive to violate the laws of the U.S. or Canada. Distribution of cryptographic software is limited to U.S./Canadian persons in the U.S./Canada. All access to the site is logged. Any problems or questions? Please feel free to contact me at mark_henderson(a)mindlink.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMvptauI11LPFgBXjAQGw7AQAgYTIUjU/6O40gTgFvhtDrBMc+TEaWW2x 2sHdk0QYRPJ2uGwoQA7psbHh2r6eu/6NqKCmKALTnZ1caWDcZLKsiLyDHQKwSGQV EK/+xnXqnb87MJfCGL5deDLCUOIo2UupFttCxd6EAdD8Dt670WT+Oe3Q9acrnmIM Lr+wyuw8WS8= =NilL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Mark Henderson -- markh(a)wimsey.bc.ca, mark_henderson(a)mindlink.net PGP Key Fingerprint: 21 F6 AF 2B 6A 8A 0B E1 A1 2A 2A 06 4A D5 92 46 http://www.squirrel.com/squirrel/ - change-sun-hostid, unstrip for Solaris, computer security, TECO, FGMP, Sun NVRAM/hostid FAQ, MIND LINK crypto archive

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Re: WANTED: Tolerant, anonymity-friendly news admins
by Lance Cottrell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I would be happy to provide access to news.cyberpass.net (its good to be the King). Just let me know the machine name and IP. -Lance At 2:17 PM -0800 2/6/97, lcs Remailer Administrator wrote: >Because of recent attacks on the remailer network and mail2news >gateways, I may loose access to at least one of the news servers I >currently feed news to from my mail2news gateway. > >If you are a news administrator, believe in free speech and anonymity, >and you would like to help the cause, please consider giving transfer >(aka "IHAVE" or "hosts.nntp") privileges to this machine. You will >not be the only server, and so do not need to worry about being the >point of entrance of mail2news articles to Usenet. > >Please contact me if you can help. Thank you. > >For those who oppose the existence of mail2news gateways, you should >know that we are taking steps to limit the abuse. However, doing so >without in any way limiting articles that abide by the usage policy is >tricky, and must be done carefully. Please be patient. ---------------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. http://www.obscura.com/~loki/ "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche ----------------------------------------------------------

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Re: 40-bit RC5 crack meaningless??
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Vin McLellan wrote: > >Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 20:10:36 -0500 > >To: "Wright Larry" <Wright_Larry(a)bah.com> > >From: "Paul A. Strassmann" <paul(a)strassmann.com> > >Subject: Further to Goldberg's Cracking Accomplishments > >Gentlemen: > > > >As I suspected (see earlier private comment), the > >highly promoted RSA cracking contest offered > >a number of clues that ordinarly would not be > >volunteered by info-terrorists or info-criminals to > >IW Defense teams. > > > >These clues made the cracking significantly easier, > >because it made it possible to eliminate an enormous > >range of possible searches. Hmm..., word size, number of rounds, and key size are "clues"? At least he won't be able to make this claim when DES is cracked. OTOH, he might consider a known IV to be information not available under "infowar conditions." Apparently, "Info Warriors" aren't supposed to be familiar with open standards. > >Clue #3: (a giveway!) > > > > " ... For each contest, the unknown plaintext message is preceded by three > > known blocks of text that contain the 24-character phrase "The > > unknown message is: .....". He considers a known-plaintext attack to be "a giveway![sic]"? It seems that this guy could use a few clues himself. Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMvpmNCzIPc7jvyFpAQFr1wgAv9qRp1JEDe6qMLGcgs/4rJnPmUkSIDoM u769VJRO3XHYS+gIEu/A/f/jS9Mr7inqkaM/E5BhQeD2NuzSgI7IWENqvshlgeFF DrSdKqDkvwTNjaPeLvb3WoFMMSuvlVj78pYawDEFwEmhQkccE/h+I1obgCE3juk9 lw/Lto7qdA+nVnyQ0PuICbIV6lksbVTcfBG/UF5MD7HsnJzPUKReFuyPrWo6S5+4 kc1/yUjq5ABL79gNxEZmUTA6zdjwjj11x2vL1cvQP8t3PZ1K5V/bay2FlSrXvNF9 +h0GvYpPQ/0rd6whYcgCbls/5KB+GYxaCXPWvh8sFYZZBP0IFYBjiw== =ltSt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Wimsey cryptography archive is moving to Mindlink
by Mark C. Henderson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Subject: Wimsey cryptography archive is moving to Mindlink The Wimsey cryptography archive at ftp://ftp.wimsey.com/pub/crypto is moving to MIND LINK (http://www.mindlink.net) You can now access the contents of the cryptography archive at its new location ftp://ftp.mindlink.net/pub/crypto The archive has been at Wimsey for about five years. I'd like to thank the folks at Wimsey for providing disk space, bandwidth, technical expertise, and for supporting the distribution of ~140MB of cryptography papers and software on the Internet. As with Wimsey, MIND LINK is providing disk space and bandwidth for the archive at no charge to me or the users of the archive. Thanks should go to MIND LINK for providing this as a service to the Internet community. Two small notes: 1. I assume sole responsibility for the contents of the archive. The folks at MIND LINK are generously providing facilties at no charge above their usual access fees, but they are not necessarily even aware of the exact contents of the archive. My only connection with MIND LINK is as a customer. 2. Please do not attempt to use the MIND LINK crypto archive to violate the laws of the U.S. or Canada. Distribution of cryptographic software is limited to U.S./Canadian persons in the U.S./Canada. All access to the site is logged. Any problems or questions? Please feel free to contact me at mark_henderson(a)mindlink.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMvptauI11LPFgBXjAQGw7AQAgYTIUjU/6O40gTgFvhtDrBMc+TEaWW2x 2sHdk0QYRPJ2uGwoQA7psbHh2r6eu/6NqKCmKALTnZ1caWDcZLKsiLyDHQKwSGQV EK/+xnXqnb87MJfCGL5deDLCUOIo2UupFttCxd6EAdD8Dt670WT+Oe3Q9acrnmIM Lr+wyuw8WS8= =NilL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Mark Henderson -- markh(a)wimsey.bc.ca, mark_henderson(a)mindlink.net PGP Key Fingerprint: 21 F6 AF 2B 6A 8A 0B E1 A1 2A 2A 06 4A D5 92 46 http://www.squirrel.com/squirrel/ - change-sun-hostid, unstrip for Solaris, computer security, TECO, FGMP, Sun NVRAM/hostid FAQ, MIND LINK crypto archive

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Re: FinCEN hates cybercash, who 'da thunk it...
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:47 pm -0500 2/6/97, Duncan Frissell wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>But Stanley Morris of the United States Treasury, who chaired a FAFT >>working group which drafted the report, told a news conference that >>law enforcement agencies would face 'very major new challenges' if new >>technology moves the world "to a cashless society, beyond banks, cash >>and borders." > >Oh No! First they told us that they were all in favor of a cashless society >because they could track all the transactions. It was their Orwellian >Dream. Now Nirvana has almost arrived and they're afraid of it. Can't >they make up their minds? > >I noticed the problem long about 1975 when I noticed that the spread of >ATM cards was actually the spread of a bearer instrument and would >not satisfy the control needs of the regulatory types. In a geodesic network, any node which tries to process all the traffic chokes. The network then routes, to paraphrase Gilmore, around it. :-). I remember this pravda chart at CFP a year ago, where FinCEN was "demonstrating" (in a chart with no Y-axis) their "increased supervisory load" due to the exponentiating use of point to point electronic transaction settlement. Be careful whatcha wish for fellas. An old Texas A&M Aggie joke about a poor monkey trying to put the cork back into a pig's butt comes to mind... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

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Re: WANTED: Tolerant, anonymity-friendly news admins
by ISP_Ratings 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

lcs Remailer Administrator wrote: > > Because of recent attacks on the remailer network and mail2news > gateways, I may loose access to at least one of the news servers I > currently feed news to from my mail2news gateway. > > If you are a news administrator, believe in free speech and anonymity, > and you would like to help the cause, please consider giving transfer > (aka "IHAVE" or "hosts.nntp") privileges to this machine. You will > not be the only server, and so do not need to worry about being the > point of entrance of mail2news articles to Usenet. > > Please contact me if you can help. Thank you. > > For those who oppose the existence of mail2news gateways, you should > know that we are taking steps to limit the abuse. However, doing so > without in any way limiting articles that abide by the usage policy is > tricky, and must be done carefully. Please be patient. I'm writing from the Freedom Knights list but am in no way representing them. What exactly do you mean by 'taking steps to limit the abuse'? Personally I think much of what is called abuse is nonsense and that all posts, with the exception of cancels/NoCems should be propogated regardless of content (including what is currently referred to as spam). Also--could you forward to the Freedom Knights list a copy of your 'usage policy' and impressions on the Freedom Knights two FAQs. Thanks, Steve

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Re: mail-to-news fun
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:01 PM 2/6/97 -0500, Scott V. McGuire wrote: >On Wed, 5 Feb 1997 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: >> People don't read mail headers or disclaimers at the bottom, >> and putting disclaimers like that into message text for >> email exposes the message to traffic analysis.) >How does putting it in the message expose it to traffic analysis but not >putting it in a header? Suppose you're sending a message on a remailer chain of you -> Alice->Bob->Charlie->Dave->Eve->Fred--> target and Bob puts lots of disclaimers in his remailer's outgoing messages. Anything Bob puts in a header will get stripped out by Charlie, so it's no problem. However, if Bob tacks a disclaimer as the bottom text in the outgoing message, when Eve sends mail to Fred she'll also see the disclaimer that The message was sent by an anonymous user through the remailer at Bob's Remailer Shack. Bob doesn't know who sent it, and doesn't keep records, so he can't squash the user, but he can block mail to you if you don't want any more anonymous email. Don't believe everything you read! so she'll know to check the FBI Illegal Wiretap files for Bob. Some comments and backtracking 0) Of course, if you want to avoid traffic analysis, sending unencrypted email is pretty stupid, and only the next hop is going to see a disclaimer that you append after the encrypted part of the message. 1) Prepending the disclaimer to the message body is pretty unfriendly to the :: syntax, and not all that great for PGP encrypted messages either. Pretend I really just suggested appending it at the end, since that's what I would have said if I'd been thinking :-) On the other hand, I suppose that you can see whether the next hop is a Type I remailer by looking for the :: or ##. 2) Cutmarks would be a nice fix, but they require too much attention to detail to get right, in case the next hop is a remailer. So maybe you _should_ always put in the disclaimer, at the end, with a reminder to always encrypt your remailer-chain mail if you want to avoid traffic analysis :-) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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[ANNOUNCEMENT] Secure checksums
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C[reep] May sits at his terminal dressed in five-inch stiletto heels, fishnet stockings, a gold-lame mini-skirt, a purple halter with girdle underneath to keep in his flabby gut, a Fredericks of Hollywood padded bra also underneath the halter, a cheap Naomi Sims pink afro wig, waiting to yank his crank whenever a black man responds to one of his inane rants. __ ___|[]| Timothy C[reep] May \__|______| /-(o_o_o_o)

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Transparent Cryptographic File System (fwd)
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Haven't seen this on cpunks. ----- Forwarded message from Kenneth Stailey ----- >From xtech-request(a)zephyr.ccrc.wustl.edu Thu Feb 6 18:26:49 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:47:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702062147.QAA29127(a)duality.gnu.ai.mit.edu> From: Kenneth Stailey <kstailey(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: tech(a)openbsd.org Subject: Transparent Cryptographic File System Sender: owner-tech(a)openbsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I thought that there might be some interest in looking at this: From: ermmau(a)ios.diaedu.unisa.it (Ermelindo Mauriello) Subject: New release of TCFS (Transparent Cryptographic File System) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:14:53 GMT Followup-To: comp.os.linux.development.system Organization: Universita' di SALERNO - Dip. Informatica ed Appl. Path: ai-lab!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zeke.ebtech.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!omega.metrics.com!liw.clinet.fi!not-for-mail Lines: 51 Approved: linux-announce(a)news.ornl.gov (Lars Wirzenius) Message-ID: <pgpmoose.199701160914.15063(a)liw.clinet.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-Server-Date: 16 Jan 1997 07:15:02 GMT X-Original-Date: 15 Jan 1997 14:51:36 GMT X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP comp.os.linux.announce iQBVAwUBMt3VcjiesvPHtqnBAQECXwH+PKb4gmvn2sSqa3caegRau0cHJ9Lx9hII YG0YmSbwPf+oFV4ie4omldPpTO3VjGXSkY11zIof6b3HzY3dNzajyQ== =aNko -- Start of PGP signed section. We are glad to announce that a new release of TCFS (Transparent Cryptographic File System) for Linux is now available. TCFS is a cryptographic filesystem developed at the Universita' di Salerno (Italy). It operates like NFS but allows users to use a new flag X to make the files secure (encrypted). In theis release files are encrypted using DES. The new release works in Linux kernel space, and may be linked as a module to Linux 2.0.x kernels. A mailing-list is available at tcfs-list(a)mikonos.dia.unisa.it. Documentation is available at http://mikonos.dia.unisa.it/tcfs. Here you can find instructions for installing TCFS and docs on how it works. Mirror sites are available at http://www.globenet.it/~ermmau/tcfs and http://www.inopera.it/~ermmau/tcfs \|||/ (o o) ----------------------ooO--O--Ooo------------------------------- ! //////// //// //// Ermelindo Mauriello ! ! // // /// // e-mail: ermmau(a)edu-gw.dia.unisa.it ! ! ///// // / // ermmau(a)pantelleria.dia.unisa.it ! ! // // // ermmau(a)globenet.it ! ! /////// // // ermmau(a)inopera.it ! !--------------------------------------------------------------! ! LINUX - The choice of a GNU generation !!! ! ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- End of PGP signed section. ----- End of forwarded message from Kenneth Stailey ----- -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Re: Blessing in Disguise? (H.R. 98, the "Consumer Internet Privacy Protection Act of 1997")
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:27 PM 2/6/97 -0500, Robert Hettinga wrote: > >This attempted legislation (see forward, below) is a blessing in disguise. > >It's just more proof that book-entry commerce isn't going to work on the >net in the long run. [deleted] >+ SET, Cybercash/coin, SSL, and other encrypted-channel book entry >methods, is a derigeble. You're flying, but you're using minimally strong >crypto like little aerodynamic fins to push the giant gas bag of book-entry >settlement around. Now, is that a helium or a HYDROGEN dirigible?!? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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lead remailer is shut down
by zinc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted as well. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- hi, i came in today to find they (university system admins) had pulled the plug on my machine. this is all because some luser spammed usenet using the remailer on my machine. thanks a lot. so, the lead remailer is gone for good; it lasted almost exactly one year. it was nice while it lasted. - -patrick finerty biochem grad student, u of utah - -- "Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773) finger zinc-pgp@zifi for PGP key zifi runs LINUX 2.0.28 -=-=-=WEB=-=-=-> http://zifi.genetics.utah.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMvqXqE3Qo/lG0AH5AQHsQgP+LJFyMCrYnackXVZqMuDRt2vgliYeWh2L 6i3IgfCqMSxfScyLFQXMP7cRJT1oNWFEilmcBLURWOqK/hy4sAufRaNKNw/rvcOE 4qYFyxm3IDwF3vqdgDnaj5LWISWxaVrglHL8wNKNBQDr1Eq6XVZiqYPT5UC00klt clfXhusEPPg= =0fse -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: anonymous remailers
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:19 PM 2/6/97 +0000, Charley Musselman wrote: >C'punks -- > When I told a friend about the alt.drugs.pot cultivation newsgroup >and suggested that he use an anonymous remailer to post to the group, >he laughed and said, "Who do you suppose runs the remailers? ATF, >FBI, DEA, that's who!" Gee, it makes sense to this paranoid. Does >anyone know the answer? Specifically, how can we choose a trusted >remailer? There is no such thing as a trusted remailer, unless you know and trust the remailer operator. That's why one should use remailer chains. If only one remailer in the chain is run by a non-TLA operator, you are safe. Just for the record, I know numerous remailer operators. I am convinced that neither of them works for any TLA in any way. YMMV. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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[ANNOUNCEMENT] Secure checksums
by lucifer Anonymous Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C[reep] May sits at his terminal dressed in five-inch stiletto heels, fishnet stockings, a gold-lame mini-skirt, a purple halter with girdle underneath to keep in his flabby gut, a Fredericks of Hollywood padded bra also underneath the halter, a cheap Naomi Sims pink afro wig, waiting to yank his crank whenever a black man responds to one of his inane rants. __ ___|[]| Timothy C[reep] May \__|______| /-(o_o_o_o)

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M-Net Express
by guyh＠att.net.hk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Blessing in Disguise? (H.R. 98, the "Consumer Internet Privacy Protection Act of 1997")
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:27 PM 2/6/97 -0500, Robert Hettinga wrote: > >This attempted legislation (see forward, below) is a blessing in disguise. > >It's just more proof that book-entry commerce isn't going to work on the >net in the long run. [deleted] >+ SET, Cybercash/coin, SSL, and other encrypted-channel book entry >methods, is a derigeble. You're flying, but you're using minimally strong >crypto like little aerodynamic fins to push the giant gas bag of book-entry >settlement around. Now, is that a helium or a HYDROGEN dirigible?!? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: "Why am I being completely censored"?
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:47 PM 2/6/97 -0600, Firebeard wrote: >>>>>> John Gilmore writes: > >JG> Hmm. Your message that I just received, about this problem, was >JG> cc'd to cypherpunks. It did not make it into the >JG> cypherpunks-unedited list. In examining the message header >JG> itself, there is an "Approved: yes" line. My guess is that your >JG> attempt to be too tricky has screwed you. > > It appears that this was the problem. Deal with a >self-moderated newsgroup, and ent up with self-censorship. *shrug*. >I wish that John had helped to resolve the problem before I made it >public, but that's life. John does have other things to do with his time, you know :-) If you're abusing email syntax to fake out specialized mail/news handling, you shouldn't be surprised if it doesn't always fake out the parts of the system you were trying to fake out.... # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: anonymous remailers
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:19 PM 2/6/97 +0000, Charley Musselman wrote: >C'punks -- > When I told a friend about the alt.drugs.pot cultivation newsgroup >and suggested that he use an anonymous remailer to post to the group, >he laughed and said, "Who do you suppose runs the remailers? ATF, >FBI, DEA, that's who!" Gee, it makes sense to this paranoid. Does >anyone know the answer? Specifically, how can we choose a trusted >remailer? There is no such thing as a trusted remailer, unless you know and trust the remailer operator. That's why one should use remailer chains. If only one remailer in the chain is run by a non-TLA operator, you are safe. Just for the record, I know numerous remailer operators. I am convinced that neither of them works for any TLA in any way. YMMV. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred "I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi

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lead remailer is shut down
by zinc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted as well. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- hi, i came in today to find they (university system admins) had pulled the plug on my machine. this is all because some luser spammed usenet using the remailer on my machine. thanks a lot. so, the lead remailer is gone for good; it lasted almost exactly one year. it was nice while it lasted. - -patrick finerty biochem grad student, u of utah - -- "Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773) finger zinc-pgp@zifi for PGP key zifi runs LINUX 2.0.28 -=-=-=WEB=-=-=-> http://zifi.genetics.utah.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMvqXqE3Qo/lG0AH5AQHsQgP+LJFyMCrYnackXVZqMuDRt2vgliYeWh2L 6i3IgfCqMSxfScyLFQXMP7cRJT1oNWFEilmcBLURWOqK/hy4sAufRaNKNw/rvcOE 4qYFyxm3IDwF3vqdgDnaj5LWISWxaVrglHL8wNKNBQDr1Eq6XVZiqYPT5UC00klt clfXhusEPPg= =0fse -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: ITAR and Paper ROM
by Roy M. Silvernail 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In list.cypherpunks, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com writes: > More practically, sort of, there was the Cauzin Softstrip Reader, > which cost about $200 and held enough data to distribute programs > back when computers and programs were much smaller; a few PC magazines > tried distributing programs by printing them in the back that way. > Cute, but not cute enough to stick around very long. Cauzin was bought by Eastman Kodak shortly after they started advertising in the big rags (like _Byte_, which printed a test strip a month or so before Cauzin made their big advertising push). Cauzin was even putting freeware programs in their ads. At that time, Kodak was just entering the soon-to-be-lucrative magnetic media market with their floppy disk line. I'd say they were bought and buried. - -- Roy M. Silvernail [ ] roy(a)scytale.com DNRC Minister Plenipotentiary of All Things Confusing, Software Division PGP Public Key fingerprint = 31 86 EC B9 DB 76 A7 54 13 0B 6A 6B CC 09 18 B6 Key available from pubkey(a)scytale.com, which works now -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMvpwFxvikii9febJAQHI3wP9HrDosf/DQIkbNaJADxqGOaE4fskX3HEP nznkhaMb4WXbCQUg+BNtyh/u15n6M2eA259uHExm1S+//8VENcGC0hmINdsehBJX LcehDOQMpbbj/lSdd/rC0raj7U38wuXZn84xi/bdbXWKwXzVKWaq3AwqRgLm9aBT 9NS0RZOiPEY= =PFiP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Wimsey cryptography archive is moving to Mindlink
by Mark C. Henderson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Subject: Wimsey cryptography archive is moving to Mindlink The Wimsey cryptography archive at ftp://ftp.wimsey.com/pub/crypto is moving to MIND LINK (http://www.mindlink.net) You can now access the contents of the cryptography archive at its new location ftp://ftp.mindlink.net/pub/crypto The archive has been at Wimsey for about five years. I'd like to thank the folks at Wimsey for providing disk space, bandwidth, technical expertise, and for supporting the distribution of ~140MB of cryptography papers and software on the Internet. As with Wimsey, MIND LINK is providing disk space and bandwidth for the archive at no charge to me or the users of the archive. Thanks should go to MIND LINK for providing this as a service to the Internet community. Two small notes: 1. I assume sole responsibility for the contents of the archive. The folks at MIND LINK are generously providing facilties at no charge above their usual access fees, but they are not necessarily even aware of the exact contents of the archive. My only connection with MIND LINK is as a customer. 2. Please do not attempt to use the MIND LINK crypto archive to violate the laws of the U.S. or Canada. Distribution of cryptographic software is limited to U.S./Canadian persons in the U.S./Canada. All access to the site is logged. Any problems or questions? Please feel free to contact me at mark_henderson(a)mindlink.net -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMvptauI11LPFgBXjAQGw7AQAgYTIUjU/6O40gTgFvhtDrBMc+TEaWW2x 2sHdk0QYRPJ2uGwoQA7psbHh2r6eu/6NqKCmKALTnZ1caWDcZLKsiLyDHQKwSGQV EK/+xnXqnb87MJfCGL5deDLCUOIo2UupFttCxd6EAdD8Dt670WT+Oe3Q9acrnmIM Lr+wyuw8WS8= =NilL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Mark Henderson -- markh(a)wimsey.bc.ca, mark_henderson(a)mindlink.net PGP Key Fingerprint: 21 F6 AF 2B 6A 8A 0B E1 A1 2A 2A 06 4A D5 92 46 http://www.squirrel.com/squirrel/ - change-sun-hostid, unstrip for Solaris, computer security, TECO, FGMP, Sun NVRAM/hostid FAQ, MIND LINK crypto archive

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Transparent Cryptographic File System (fwd)
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Haven't seen this on cpunks. ----- Forwarded message from Kenneth Stailey ----- >From xtech-request(a)zephyr.ccrc.wustl.edu Thu Feb 6 18:26:49 1997 Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:47:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199702062147.QAA29127(a)duality.gnu.ai.mit.edu> From: Kenneth Stailey <kstailey(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu> To: tech(a)openbsd.org Subject: Transparent Cryptographic File System Sender: owner-tech(a)openbsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I thought that there might be some interest in looking at this: From: ermmau(a)ios.diaedu.unisa.it (Ermelindo Mauriello) Subject: New release of TCFS (Transparent Cryptographic File System) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 07:14:53 GMT Followup-To: comp.os.linux.development.system Organization: Universita' di SALERNO - Dip. Informatica ed Appl. Path: ai-lab!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zeke.ebtech.net!loki.tor.hookup.net!omega.metrics.com!liw.clinet.fi!not-for-mail Lines: 51 Approved: linux-announce(a)news.ornl.gov (Lars Wirzenius) Message-ID: <pgpmoose.199701160914.15063(a)liw.clinet.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost X-Server-Date: 16 Jan 1997 07:15:02 GMT X-Original-Date: 15 Jan 1997 14:51:36 GMT X-Auth: PGPMoose V1.1 PGP comp.os.linux.announce iQBVAwUBMt3VcjiesvPHtqnBAQECXwH+PKb4gmvn2sSqa3caegRau0cHJ9Lx9hII YG0YmSbwPf+oFV4ie4omldPpTO3VjGXSkY11zIof6b3HzY3dNzajyQ== =aNko -- Start of PGP signed section. We are glad to announce that a new release of TCFS (Transparent Cryptographic File System) for Linux is now available. TCFS is a cryptographic filesystem developed at the Universita' di Salerno (Italy). It operates like NFS but allows users to use a new flag X to make the files secure (encrypted). In theis release files are encrypted using DES. The new release works in Linux kernel space, and may be linked as a module to Linux 2.0.x kernels. A mailing-list is available at tcfs-list(a)mikonos.dia.unisa.it. Documentation is available at http://mikonos.dia.unisa.it/tcfs. Here you can find instructions for installing TCFS and docs on how it works. Mirror sites are available at http://www.globenet.it/~ermmau/tcfs and http://www.inopera.it/~ermmau/tcfs \|||/ (o o) ----------------------ooO--O--Ooo------------------------------- ! //////// //// //// Ermelindo Mauriello ! ! // // /// // e-mail: ermmau(a)edu-gw.dia.unisa.it ! ! ///// // / // ermmau(a)pantelleria.dia.unisa.it ! ! // // // ermmau(a)globenet.it ! ! /////// // // ermmau(a)inopera.it ! !--------------------------------------------------------------! ! LINUX - The choice of a GNU generation !!! ! ---------------------------------------------------------------- -- End of PGP signed section. ----- End of forwarded message from Kenneth Stailey ----- -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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Waiting for Mac version [was Re: Full strength Email Clients]
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >At 06:51 PM 2/6/97 +0800, pclow wrote: >><You want Eudora 3.0 and PGPMail 4.5. [Despite PGP,Inc's best efforts, >>the >><brand new PGPMail has escaped from the United States and is now >>available >><worldwide.] Its too bad there isn't a Mac version contemplated. They appear to think that existing PGP versions, paired with Eudora, are sufficient. I think a better integrated approach for the Mac would be appreciated as the available AppleScripts are buggy and awkward. --Steve

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Re: True story, Fly the Obsfucted Skies (fwd)
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ray Arachelian <ray(a)earthweb.com> writes: ... > I thought about it. I scratched my goatee. I said: ... How can an Armenian eunich grow a bear? Even a faggy goatee? --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Deloitte-Touche?
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes: > > Mark <mark(a)infolawalert.com> writes: > > I'm almost certain that Murray is a consultant rather than > > or in addition to an accountant. He's been saying these things > > William Murray used to post frequently to sci.crypt, alt.security.pgp, > etc when I read those forums. He also I think wrote the forword for > one of the books on using PGP. One of my first flame wars on Internet, some 15 years ago, was with William H. Murray over my criticism of DES. How time flies. :-) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: anonymous remailers
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

c.musselman(a)internetmci.com (Charley Musselman) writes: > C'punks -- > When I told a friend about the alt.drugs.pot cultivation newsgroup > and suggested that he use an anonymous remailer to post to the group, > he laughed and said, "Who do you suppose runs the remailers? ATF, > FBI, DEA, that's who!" Gee, it makes sense to this paranoid. Does > anyone know the answer? Specifically, how can we choose a trusted > remailer? Even if the feds are not directtly involved, the so-called "cypher punk" remailers are run by people who should not be trusted. Check out their remailer-operators list: it's full of announcements that some specific person posted something via the remailer that the operator didn't like. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: 40-bit RC5 crack meaningless??
by Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This would be the same Strassmann who stated in public at Harvard early in 1995 that most remailers were run by intelligence agencies such as the KGB, then denied saying it when asked for substantiation? And cut it from his paper? On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Vin McLellan wrote: > Strassmann, the author of this denunciation of RSADS and > Ian Goldberg, is the former Director of Defense Information > (i.e., CIO,) of the Bush DoD and an often-insightful commentator Having said that, there is some debate about the extent to which in *intelligence gathering* as opposed to, say, trying to crack a banking protocol, one can reasonably count on a known plaintext. And much debate about the processing costs of not having one, especially when one doesn't know what kind of document is being encrypted (e.g. is it ASCII plaintext? a spreadsheet? a jpeg? etc.). I think that's his (misdirected) point. A. Michael Froomkin | +1 (305) 284-4285; +1 (305) 284-6506 (fax) Associate Professor of Law | U. Miami School of Law | froomkin(a)law.miami.edu P.O. Box 248087 | http://www.law.miami.edu/~froomkin Coral Gables, FL 33124 USA | It's warm here.

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Re: mail-to-news fun
by Lance Cottrell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It would be a trivial hack for Mixmaster. It allways knows if a message if going to another remailer, or if this is the last hop, so it can add the disclaimer only on the last hop. -Lance At 4:06 PM -0800 2/6/97, Bill Stewart wrote: >At 01:01 PM 2/6/97 -0500, Scott V. McGuire wrote: >>On Wed, 5 Feb 1997 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: >>> People don't read mail headers or disclaimers at the bottom, >>> and putting disclaimers like that into message text for >>> email exposes the message to traffic analysis.) > >>How does putting it in the message expose it to traffic analysis but not >>putting it in a header? > >Suppose you're sending a message on a remailer chain of >you -> Alice->Bob->Charlie->Dave->Eve->Fred--> target >and Bob puts lots of disclaimers in his remailer's outgoing messages. >Anything Bob puts in a header will get stripped out by Charlie, >so it's no problem. However, if Bob tacks a disclaimer >as the bottom text in the outgoing message, when Eve sends >mail to Fred she'll also see the disclaimer that > The message was sent by an anonymous user > through the remailer at Bob's Remailer Shack. > Bob doesn't know who sent it, and doesn't keep records, > so he can't squash the user, but he can block mail to you > if you don't want any more anonymous email. > Don't believe everything you read! >so she'll know to check the FBI Illegal Wiretap files for Bob. > >Some comments and backtracking >0) Of course, if you want to avoid traffic analysis, >sending unencrypted email is pretty stupid, and only the >next hop is going to see a disclaimer that you append >after the encrypted part of the message. > >1) Prepending the disclaimer to the message body is >pretty unfriendly to the :: syntax, and not all that >great for PGP encrypted messages either. Pretend I >really just suggested appending it at the end, >since that's what I would have said if I'd been thinking :-) > >On the other hand, I suppose that you can see whether the >next hop is a Type I remailer by looking for the :: or ##. > >2) Cutmarks would be a nice fix, but they require too much >attention to detail to get right, in case the next hop >is a remailer. > >So maybe you _should_ always put in the disclaimer, >at the end, with a reminder to always encrypt your >remailer-chain mail if you want to avoid traffic analysis :-) > > > > > ># Thanks; Bill ># Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com ># You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp ># (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.) ---------------------------------------------------------- Lance Cottrell loki(a)obscura.com PGP 2.6 key available by finger or server. http://www.obscura.com/~loki/ "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come." --Nietzsche ----------------------------------------------------------

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My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks, My posting seem to be going into Limbo, being sent neither to the Cypherpunks Heaven Sandy administers nor to the flames of the Cypherpunks Hell. At least this is how things now appear. I sent the message below to the list this morning (Thursday) at 8:43 a.m. PST. As of tonight, 12 hours later, I haven't seen it on either the Singapore Web site--last archived 30 minutes ago--or on the "Flames" list to which I have temporarily subscribed (to see what Sandy counts as a "flame"). Has anyone else seen it? I've looked, but there's always a chance I somehow spaced out and missed it. (I doubt it though.) If I have missed it, despite carefully scanning for it for the past 8-12 hours, my apologies. If it has not appeared on either the Censored list or the Flames list, then something is rotten in the state of Denmark. By the way, I noted that many of the messages which appeared at the Singapore Web archive site have dates much later than mine, including several dated at least 8-10 hours after my message. Likewise, some of the Flames messages are dated much later than my message. (Bill Stewart got a message through dated Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:06:06 -0800, Mark Henderson got one through at Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:56:19 PST, and so on. One would thus have thought that my message, dated Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:43:35 -0800, would by now either have been approved and hence on the Censored list, or rejected as unfit for Cypherpunks to sully their neurons with, and hence passed on to the Flames list. By the way, some of the "Flames" messages are also dated late afternoon or evening.) So, is my message just sitting around someplace, awaiting some final decision? What's the basis of this decision? (Perhaps Sandy has "kicked it upstairs" to John for him to decide on? Just a hypothesis....) I will repeat my message below. As you will be able to see, my message contains no "flames" of its own, and the messages it quotes do not seem flamish to me, either. (It is true that Vulis uses the phrase "Limey faggots," in reference to beer-serving habits, but he does not directly insult any list members with this phrase. If Sandy is calling this phrase a flame, then Cypherpunks will be blocked from their usual characterizations of Congresscritters and NSA stooges.) I think a delay of greater than 11 hours in being distributed on one of the two lists (even if my message is sent out in the next hour or so) is unacceptable. If a moderator cannot get to traffic in the order in which it was received and disposition it promptly, he or she has no business being a moderator of a high-volume list. (Eric Blossom's and Ray Arachelian's "best of" compilations are a different matter, for reasons discussed many times here.) So, why hasn't this message appeared on one of the two lists? --Tim May >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:43:35 -0800 >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >From: "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> >Subject: Re: Moderation [Tim,Sandy] >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > > >I decided to subscribe only to the "cypherpunks flames" list, just to see >what was being filtered into it. > >The message below is one example of what is going there. I received it, >and the header includes the line: "Sender: >owner-cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com", so I am surmising that it was indeed >filtered into the flames list. > >Now, admittedly, the _content_ of this kind of post is "off-topic," but I >sure don't see any evidence of _flames_. > >Is Sandy now filtering based on his notions of list relevance, and not >just on the basis of insults, jabs, flames, and "lack of comity"? While >lack of relevance may be a criterion for someone to filter by, it doesn't >square with anything I recall Sandy citing, and it introduces a new and >dimension to the debate. > >--Tim May > >(The entire post is included, to ensure that no one claims I am editing >out any flames, insults, etc.) > > >At 11:06 PM -0800 2/5/97, Dale Thorn wrote: >>Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >>> Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> writes: >> >>> > > > The drunk can be excluded, but when someone wants to use the drunk as >>> > > > an example to escalate the exclusion to other persons who are not in >>> > > > fact drunk, watch out! >> >>> > > If I get really really drunk, which happens very seldom, then I'm >>> > > too drunk to post. I don't mind an occasional beer, though. >> >>> > > Oksas, have you ever tried beer? :-) >> >>> > I had my first beer(s) in three years at one of those industrial >>> > parties last night. It made the craps table action seem a bit >>> > merrier, and the girls were friendlier too. >> >>> I like an occasional Coors Lite. BTW I think Limey Faggots are right about >>> one think: I like room-temperature beer better than cold beer. YMMV. >> >>Interesting coincidence for people on opposite coasts - the bar at >>the hotel had two choices: Bud regular and Coors light. I took the >>Coors. > > > > > Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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World's first Ecash note
by Jeremey Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The world's first Ecash note has been printed! A USD 0.01 note made out to anyone can be found at: http://www.veriweb.com/people/jeremey/ecash/1_cent.html The data portion of the note is a PDF417 2-D barcode, containing a standard ecash payment of 1 US cent. The source code for the general PDF417 encoding and the ecash conversion will be published as soon as I clean it up and come up with a somewhat nicer interface. The PDF417 code should be useful for non-ecash stuff as well, it will encode anything. I will be bringing a bunch of notes to the bay-area cypherpunks meeting Saturday. Suggestions/comments appreciated. - -- =-----------------------------------------------------------------------= Jeremey Barrett VeriWeb Internet Corp. Senior Software Engineer http://www.veriweb.com/ PGP Key fingerprint = 3B 42 1E D4 4B 17 0D 80 DC 59 6F 59 04 C3 83 64 =-----------------------------------------------------------------------= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMvq83i/fy+vkqMxNAQH/tQP/fSgEQ8K0BQcwTJxnaF7aKg1LzNshMdey A8MH67Uv8zfv9cQTD0+g/JO4x64Ina5ZcMqn4IoHNOybqfvrR4ZepDLa+SsX2hhU 2xdmgf452OEhVpjSYoNnDMKoKAUUbfIlApu7W/9M/Ecx3vbT0cq4dxVF2zzcmJsy nhEPFe2iSc4= =v84p -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Which list am I on?
by Against Moderation 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I thought I was on the cypherpunks edited list. However, I appear to have seen some of the messages that Tim says got lost. Moreover, I keep getting ASCII art messages flaming someone with the initials DLV (though I haven't seen any more of the TCM flames [I haven't looked too hard, either]). My mail headers have: >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com <date> >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Now I'm really confused. Which list am I on?

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Dr. Denning
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimwit Vermin is a pimply dweeb sitting at a computer chortling at his own imagined cleverness. _<_ (_|_( Dimwit Vermin \-._|_,-, `-----'

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Re: Govt & cyberspace
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I find your "distributed democracy" interesting, except that it would allow scant time for deliberation. Think of it this way: don't you think the majority of Americans would have voted to pass the CDA? Or worse? Or restrictions on domestic crypto? Or worse? Democracy generally means majoritarian rule. The Bill of Rights is an anti-majoritarian document. It protects the rights of political or religious minorities. I fear that electronic "click here to vote" democracy would undermine the Bill of Rights even more. -Declan --- Dale Thorn writes: I wish for once and for all someone would delineate this "democracy" thing from a true, distributed democracy, where every individual is required to participate equally, and no narrow interests can co-opt the vote the way they do in the kind of "democracy" Declan mentions. Wouldn't it be better when people mention a one-word political philosophy such as democracy, that they make the definition more precise by using two or three words instead?

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remailer-operators DEA agents?
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > c.musselman(a)internetmci.com (Charley Musselman) writes: > > C'punks -- > > When I told a friend about the alt.drugs.pot cultivation newsgroup > > and suggested that he use an anonymous remailer to post to the group, > > he laughed and said, "Who do you suppose runs the remailers? ATF, > > FBI, DEA, that's who!" Gee, it makes sense to this paranoid. Does > > anyone know the answer? Specifically, how can we choose a trusted > > remailer? > > Even if the feds are not directtly involved, the so-called "cypher punk" > remailers are run by people who should not be trusted. Check out their > remailer-operators list: it's full of announcements that some specific > person posted something via the remailer that the operator didn't like. Examples, please?

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Re: lead remailer is shut down
by Michael H. Warfield 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

zinc enscribed thusly: > The following message is a courtesy copy of an article > that has been posted as well. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > hi, > i came in today to find they (university system admins) had pulled the > plug on my machine. this is all because some luser spammed usenet > using the remailer on my machine. thanks a lot. Yeah? Did you find his ass? Kindly forward the coordinates of the body so we can desecrate the corpse! > so, the lead remailer is gone for good; it lasted almost exactly one > year. > it was nice while it lasted. Never used it but it is always sad to see the passing of a network resource due to the abuse by cretins with all the morals of an alley cat in heat... > - -patrick finerty > biochem grad student, u of utah > - -- > "Those that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary > safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1773) > finger zinc-pgp@zifi for PGP key > zifi runs LINUX 2.0.28 -=-=-=WEB=-=-=-> http://zifi.genetics.utah.edu > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.2 > Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface > > iQCVAwUBMvqXqE3Qo/lG0AH5AQHsQgP+LJFyMCrYnackXVZqMuDRt2vgliYeWh2L > 6i3IgfCqMSxfScyLFQXMP7cRJT1oNWFEilmcBLURWOqK/hy4sAufRaNKNw/rvcOE > 4qYFyxm3IDwF3vqdgDnaj5LWISWxaVrglHL8wNKNBQDr1Eq6XVZiqYPT5UC00klt > clfXhusEPPg= > =0fse > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Mike -- Michael H. Warfield | (770) 985-6132 | mhw(a)WittsEnd.com (The Mad Wizard) | (770) 925-8248 | http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/ NIC whois: MHW9 | An optimist believes we live in the best of all PGP Key: 0xDF1DD471 | possible worlds. A pessimist is sure of it!

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My messages not appearing on either of the lists?
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cypherpunks, My posting seem to be going into Limbo, being sent neither to the Cypherpunks Heaven Sandy administers nor to the flames of the Cypherpunks Hell. At least this is how things now appear. I sent the message below to the list this morning (Thursday) at 8:43 a.m. PST. As of tonight, 12 hours later, I haven't seen it on either the Singapore Web site--last archived 30 minutes ago--or on the "Flames" list to which I have temporarily subscribed (to see what Sandy counts as a "flame"). Has anyone else seen it? I've looked, but there's always a chance I somehow spaced out and missed it. (I doubt it though.) If I have missed it, despite carefully scanning for it for the past 8-12 hours, my apologies. If it has not appeared on either the Censored list or the Flames list, then something is rotten in the state of Denmark. By the way, I noted that many of the messages which appeared at the Singapore Web archive site have dates much later than mine, including several dated at least 8-10 hours after my message. Likewise, some of the Flames messages are dated much later than my message. (Bill Stewart got a message through dated Thu, 06 Feb 1997 16:06:06 -0800, Mark Henderson got one through at Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:56:19 PST, and so on. One would thus have thought that my message, dated Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:43:35 -0800, would by now either have been approved and hence on the Censored list, or rejected as unfit for Cypherpunks to sully their neurons with, and hence passed on to the Flames list. By the way, some of the "Flames" messages are also dated late afternoon or evening.) So, is my message just sitting around someplace, awaiting some final decision? What's the basis of this decision? (Perhaps Sandy has "kicked it upstairs" to John for him to decide on? Just a hypothesis....) I will repeat my message below. As you will be able to see, my message contains no "flames" of its own, and the messages it quotes do not seem flamish to me, either. (It is true that Vulis uses the phrase "Limey faggots," in reference to beer-serving habits, but he does not directly insult any list members with this phrase. If Sandy is calling this phrase a flame, then Cypherpunks will be blocked from their usual characterizations of Congresscritters and NSA stooges.) I think a delay of greater than 11 hours in being distributed on one of the two lists (even if my message is sent out in the next hour or so) is unacceptable. If a moderator cannot get to traffic in the order in which it was received and disposition it promptly, he or she has no business being a moderator of a high-volume list. (Eric Blossom's and Ray Arachelian's "best of" compilations are a different matter, for reasons discussed many times here.) So, why hasn't this message appeared on one of the two lists? --Tim May >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:43:35 -0800 >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >From: "Timothy C. May" <tcmay(a)got.net> >Subject: Re: Moderation [Tim,Sandy] >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > > >I decided to subscribe only to the "cypherpunks flames" list, just to see >what was being filtered into it. > >The message below is one example of what is going there. I received it, >and the header includes the line: "Sender: >owner-cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com", so I am surmising that it was indeed >filtered into the flames list. > >Now, admittedly, the _content_ of this kind of post is "off-topic," but I >sure don't see any evidence of _flames_. > >Is Sandy now filtering based on his notions of list relevance, and not >just on the basis of insults, jabs, flames, and "lack of comity"? While >lack of relevance may be a criterion for someone to filter by, it doesn't >square with anything I recall Sandy citing, and it introduces a new and >dimension to the debate. > >--Tim May > >(The entire post is included, to ensure that no one claims I am editing >out any flames, insults, etc.) > > >At 11:06 PM -0800 2/5/97, Dale Thorn wrote: >>Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >>> Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> writes: >> >>> > > > The drunk can be excluded, but when someone wants to use the drunk as >>> > > > an example to escalate the exclusion to other persons who are not in >>> > > > fact drunk, watch out! >> >>> > > If I get really really drunk, which happens very seldom, then I'm >>> > > too drunk to post. I don't mind an occasional beer, though. >> >>> > > Oksas, have you ever tried beer? :-) >> >>> > I had my first beer(s) in three years at one of those industrial >>> > parties last night. It made the craps table action seem a bit >>> > merrier, and the girls were friendlier too. >> >>> I like an occasional Coors Lite. BTW I think Limey Faggots are right about >>> one think: I like room-temperature beer better than cold beer. YMMV. >> >>Interesting coincidence for people on opposite coasts - the bar at >>the hotel had two choices: Bud regular and Coors light. I took the >>Coors. > > > > > Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Dr. Denning
by Huge Cajones Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimwit Vermin is a pimply dweeb sitting at a computer chortling at his own imagined cleverness. _<_ (_|_( Dimwit Vermin \-._|_,-, `-----'

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remailer-operators DEA agents?
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > c.musselman(a)internetmci.com (Charley Musselman) writes: > > C'punks -- > > When I told a friend about the alt.drugs.pot cultivation newsgroup > > and suggested that he use an anonymous remailer to post to the group, > > he laughed and said, "Who do you suppose runs the remailers? ATF, > > FBI, DEA, that's who!" Gee, it makes sense to this paranoid. Does > > anyone know the answer? Specifically, how can we choose a trusted > > remailer? > > Even if the feds are not directtly involved, the so-called "cypher punk" > remailers are run by people who should not be trusted. Check out their > remailer-operators list: it's full of announcements that some specific > person posted something via the remailer that the operator didn't like. Examples, please?

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World's first Ecash note
by Jeremey Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The world's first Ecash note has been printed! A USD 0.01 note made out to anyone can be found at: http://www.veriweb.com/people/jeremey/ecash/1_cent.html The data portion of the note is a PDF417 2-D barcode, containing a standard ecash payment of 1 US cent. The source code for the general PDF417 encoding and the ecash conversion will be published as soon as I clean it up and come up with a somewhat nicer interface. The PDF417 code should be useful for non-ecash stuff as well, it will encode anything. I will be bringing a bunch of notes to the bay-area cypherpunks meeting Saturday. Suggestions/comments appreciated. - -- =-----------------------------------------------------------------------= Jeremey Barrett VeriWeb Internet Corp. Senior Software Engineer http://www.veriweb.com/ PGP Key fingerprint = 3B 42 1E D4 4B 17 0D 80 DC 59 6F 59 04 C3 83 64 =-----------------------------------------------------------------------= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMvq83i/fy+vkqMxNAQH/tQP/fSgEQ8K0BQcwTJxnaF7aKg1LzNshMdey A8MH67Uv8zfv9cQTD0+g/JO4x64Ina5ZcMqn4IoHNOybqfvrR4ZepDLa+SsX2hhU 2xdmgf452OEhVpjSYoNnDMKoKAUUbfIlApu7W/9M/Ecx3vbT0cq4dxVF2zzcmJsy nhEPFe2iSc4= =v84p -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Govt & cyberspace
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I find your "distributed democracy" interesting, except that it would allow scant time for deliberation. Think of it this way: don't you think the majority of Americans would have voted to pass the CDA? Or worse? Or restrictions on domestic crypto? Or worse? Democracy generally means majoritarian rule. The Bill of Rights is an anti-majoritarian document. It protects the rights of political or religious minorities. I fear that electronic "click here to vote" democracy would undermine the Bill of Rights even more. -Declan --- Dale Thorn writes: I wish for once and for all someone would delineate this "democracy" thing from a true, distributed democracy, where every individual is required to participate equally, and no narrow interests can co-opt the vote the way they do in the kind of "democracy" Declan mentions. Wouldn't it be better when people mention a one-word political philosophy such as democracy, that they make the definition more precise by using two or three words instead?

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Re: anonymous remailers
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Why was this message (attached below) sent to the "Flames" list? (*) It contains an assertion that the remailer operators are colluding to reveal identities, and this is surely a fit topic for discussion. (* I have temporarily subscribed to the Flames list to see just what it is being filtered or censored by Sandy. I received this message, and it had the header "Sender: owner-cypherpunks-unedited(a)toad.com," thus I surmise it is a "Flames" message. It would help, by the way, if messages were more clearly labelled by the Moderator as to which bucket he placed them in.) While I don't believe this assertion about collusion by the remailer operators is true, generally, this claim is clearly: 1. Not a flame, but an assertion of opinion. 2. Possibly not true, but it is not the job of the Moderator to decide on truth. 3. Dealing with an important issue, to wit, the willingness (putatively) of some remailer operators to talk amongst themselves to deal with "problems." (If this is not a meaningful and important topic for the Cypherpunks list to discuss, then what is?) Here's the message: At 10:22 PM -0500 2/6/97, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: >c.musselman(a)internetmci.com (Charley Musselman) writes: > >> C'punks -- >> When I told a friend about the alt.drugs.pot cultivation newsgroup >> and suggested that he use an anonymous remailer to post to the group, >> he laughed and said, "Who do you suppose runs the remailers? ATF, >> FBI, DEA, that's who!" Gee, it makes sense to this paranoid. Does >> anyone know the answer? Specifically, how can we choose a trusted >> remailer? > >Even if the feds are not directtly involved, the so-called "cypher punk" >remailers are run by people who should not be trusted. Check out their >remailer-operators list: it's full of announcements that some specific >person posted something via the remailer that the operator didn't like. > >--- > >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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IEEE Communications
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A friend called this evening to let me know the February issue is dedicated to electronic cash and its implications. I'm no longer an IEEE member. If any of the various list members care to excerpt and comment on some of the more interesting portions, I'm sure it would be appreciated. --Steve

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[PICS] forgery detection
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

When Deadwood Vulgar K[arcass]OTM's mother gave birth to him after fucking with a bunch of sailors, she didn't know who the father was but decided to tell him that he was a Russian as the Russian sailor was the one who satisfied her the most. /\ \ / /\ //\\ .. //\\ Deadwood Vulgar K[arcass]OTM //\(( ))/\\ / < `' > \

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Re: Blessing in Disguise? (H.R. 98, the "Consumer Internet Privacy Protection Act of 1997")
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>--- begin forwarded text >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:24:09 EST >Reply-To: Law & Policy of Computer Communications > <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> >Sender: Law & Policy of Computer Communications > <CYBERIA-L(a)LISTSERV.AOL.COM> >From: "Jonathan I. Ezor" <jezor(a)NEWMEDIALAW.COM> >Subject: Congressional Bill worse for 'Net than CDA? (crosspost) > >Sorry for the crossposting, but I felt this one might be important enough >to do it. The following is a shortened version of an article I've written >for my firm's client newsletter about H.R. 98, the "Consumer Internet >Privacy Protection Act of 1997", introduced by Rep. Bruce Vento (D. MN) on >January 7, 1997. [snip] > >Jonathan I. Ezor >New Media Attorney, Davis & Gilbert, 1740 Broadway, New York, NY 10019 >Tel: 212-468-4989 Fax: 212-468-4888 E-mail: jezor(a)newmedialaw.com >-----------------------------Cut here------------------------------- > >Congress Tackles Internet Privacy > Recently, there has been significant press coverage over real and >rumored revelations of personal information such as Social Security numbers by >online services, including the alleged availability (later shown to be untrue) >of mothers' maiden names and Social Security numbers on LEXIS' P-Trak database, >and various governmental bodies have held hearings on issues of online privacy. >On January 7, 1997, Representative Bruce F. Vento (D. MN) introduced the >"Consumer Internet Privacy Protection Act of 1997," (H.R. 98) This bill >provides that "an interactive computer service shall not disclose to a third >party any personally identifiable information provided by a subscriber to such >service without the subscriber's prior informed written consent." Gee, this sounds great! Sounds like it would become illegal for ISPs to "cooperate" (aka: getting strongarmed) by the local thugs (cops) to reveal information about subscribers. Except, as is so often the case, they seem to always figure out ways to explain that cooperation with cops was somehow not covered in the law above. One of the non-obvious dangers of having laws such as this apply to ISPs is that they increase the likelihood that legal force could be applied to them in order to get them to sell-out their customers. And, obviously, the average citizen isn't going to have a lot of luck getting these laws ENFORCED unless he has friends in the prosecutor's office. One of the numerous advantages of an AP-type system is that a person will be able to make a violation of his privacy a crime regardless of whether the powers-that-be agree. Also, he can enforce that "law" on anyone, including government agents, without the cooperation of the prosecutor. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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