December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Fantasy quotes & libel
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:30 AM 1/27/97 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >Hi, > >After review of the material I forwarded by request it is clear that >'fantasy' quotes are libel provided: [gibberish deleted] You're mixing up elements of a prima facie case for libel, defenses, and standards for liability and damages. You're missing some elements, and adding some extra (contradictory) elements. You're also ignoring at least two other potential causes of action where a quote is misattributed, as well as trying to simultaneously discuss criminal and civil actions. Your summary of defamation law is not an accurate one. Your original message suggested that misattribution could be criminal. While this may be true in some jurisdictions (modulo the First Amendment), no prosecutor is going to waste his or her time with this sort of silliness. Also, go watch _The People v. Larry Flynt_ and meditate on the reason why Jerry Falwell lost his libel claim in the trial court. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nurdane Oksas wrote: > On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, Dale Thorn wrote: > > Nurdane Oksas wrote: > > > On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > > Nurdane Oksas wrote: > > > > > i think it's good also to exercise outdoors as well as your > > > > > indoor nordictrack machines..sun and air is esp. necessary; > > > > but remember, tanning will kill ya. > > > Yes it will; Not a fan of tanning myself...it also causes lots > > > of skin problems, have seen women age too soon tanning; > > > we don't go outside naked here in NorthEast...do remember; > > The real babes in So. Cal. go to tanning salons. That way the evenly- > > distributed tan looks best with, say, a pure white bikini. You can > > go to the beach, of course, and hang out with the hoi polloi, but > > it's mostly kids with pimples and stuff. > i don't see why she would wear a bikini if she already is tan. > She just goes to show off right??? California is know for > very beautiful girls ... I like the pale look :) There are two really major beaches in the L.A. area that I know of. One is Bolsa Chica, several miles long, north of Huntington Beach, which attracts most of the young'uns south of L.A., and Zuma in the northmost points of Malibu, which gets a lot of Valley people (fer sure). To quote the L.A. Weekly of a few years ago, in a "Best of L.A." review, "Why do all those hot young girls go to Zuma? Because that's where all the hot young boys are." But the real babes don't go there. They get skates and nifty little costumes and zip up and down the boardwalks in Santa Monica and Pacific Palisades mostly, in case some hot producer/director should happen along.

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Cypher-Apology
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I seem to have posted one of my private emails to the conference by mistake. It was in regard to a lady whose son is going to court in the morning and has nothing to do with crypto. (unless I try to make a supremely long leap in relating Tourette Syndrome to the Timmy May 'cocksucker' postings) My first instinct was to blame Bill Gates for holding me hostage and forcing me to use Win95. My second instinct was to try to excuse my error by blaming the ingestion of large amounts of drugs and alcohol for my misdirection of my email. However, after consultation with the space aliens who speak to me through the mercury filling in my teeth, I have come to the realization that the error was the result of the fact that I am a fucking idiot. I imagine that my apology will not be received by those on the censored list, as I have just 'flamed' myself. I would apologize for this, as well, but I am still sober enough to realize that this could quite possibly result in an endless-apology-loop which would interfere with the rights of those on the cypherpunks-uncensored list to receive the "Make $$Money$$ Fast" postings that Sandy has been so kind to forward to those who oppose censorship of list subscribers. Toto

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto wrote: > Dale Thorn wrote: > > How does one country get on top and terrorize the whole world? By > > following Tom Wolfe's intimation concerning the pirates: "The people > > on the East coast were constantly victimized because they couldn't > > comprehend just how vicious and ruthless the pirates really were" > > (quote approximate). > Dale, > When I read posts like this, I wonder how any rationally thinking > person can possibly believe that socio/politico concerns have no > place in the discussion of crypto. > It is my belief that many of the more atrocious acts being performed > against the citizens by various governments are made possible by the > fact that there are so few people who recognize a 'pirate' when they > see one. > While I appreciate that there are those who may be furthering the > cause of crypto, privacy and freedom through official channels, the > controlled media, and such, there needs to be a forum in which > people are free to use what they consider to be the 'correct' > terminology to refer to those who have usurped democracy in order > to control the citizens for their own personal profit. > i.e. 'Pirates' When I recall my growing up years and the political/social arguments I participated in, I can hardly believe the things I've learned since, esp. things like government agencies sharing asset forfeitures as a means of funding further seizures (kind of snowballs, if you know what I mean). Check out H.R. 3355 of late 1993, which authorizes Janet Reno to personally treaty up with the local cops in every U.S. city of 100,000 pop. or more, i.e., most of the U.S. population, and virtually all of the "crime". There was a previous post today, perhaps yours, which made the point that while erstwhile freedom fighters are trying to put out one fire or another, the govt. boys are lighting dozens more. I guess that means we'll have to pony up a lot more tax money to pay those guys. Whoops! I forgot - they can self-fund now with the asset seizures.

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Re: Fantasy quotes & libel
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim, I enjoyed the 250,000 legalese-spams that you posted to the cypherpunks list. You are certainly handy with a search-engine. You have certainly shown that the shotgun-approach to legal issues is a valid one, as one of your posts actually came close to being relevant. Jim Choate wrote: > With the current 'editorial control' as provided by the cypherpunks mailing > list the mailing list operator/censor may also be held in some situations > accountable as well. This occurs because the relationship between list > operator and the quoter is similar to that of editor and reporter in a > newspaper. For the quoter to get his quote distributed the list operator > must ok it. The reasoning used is that the editor 'should have known' the > boundaries and applied them. Well, I'm certainly glad to hear that you feel you have the legal standing to sue the pants off of Sandy and John. When you're done with them, you might want to check out Canadian law and think about suing myself, as well. Of course, I realize that, given your strong position in regard to the need not to interfere in the rights of others to exert dicatatorial control over the content which passes through systems that they have paid for with their own money, you would not be so hypocritical as to attempt to interfere with those rights. An intelligent fellow such as yourself certainly wouldn't be so ignorant as to stand up in court and declare that the right to exert dicatatorial power by virtue of money and position should be negated only when it affects you personally. I am sincerely in your debt for pointing out to me that the purchase of my hardware and software, and the money I spend in maintaining it, give me license to exert total control over anything that passes through it. It was only the knowledge that you are a man who stands behind his statements that enabled me to recognize your post expressing whining outrage that the principles you espouse should apply equally to all were meant as humor, despite your failure to add the little happy-face grin :). Toto > Not only is ignorance not an excuse but neither is negligence.

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Daniel Harter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ichudov(a)algebra.com wrote: > Dale Thorn wrote: > > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > > > > > Both homosexual males and IV drug users are well known to take a lot > > > > > of antobiotics, which lowers the efficacy of the immune system enough > > > > > to allow most anything to happen, ultimately leading to auto-immune > > > > > problems. > > > > > Jim and Dale, I agree. > > > Also shooting one's bloodstream full of fecal matter hardly helps. > > > > My point about the antibiotics is that the male gays take a dis- > > proportionate amount of them, which compounds their problems. It > > suggests to me that the immune system is already seriously debilitated > > or damaged before AIDS can take hold, rather than the notion that a > > healthy person can get it from the virii alone. > > > > One could argue that in the cases where the cures (antibiotics) add to > > a person's problems by further corrupting their immune system, that > > they should simply change their habits. Since I don't see that as a > > reasonable possibility, the only thing left is that the public should > > be made aware of *all* of the relevant facts, even those which are > > heavily suppressed now for PC reasons. > > Why do they take antibiotics? Just curious. To treat various Venerial Diseases whose standard treatments are antibiotics. > Also, I haven't heard that antibiotics were bad for immune system, > has that been proven? What does seem to have credence is that the use of antibiotics breeds resistant strains of bacteria, which may or may not be contagious. A book that poses an opposing viewpoint to the current AIDS epidemic is _The AIDS War_ by John Lauritsen (1993, Asklepios, New York, ISBN 0-943742-08-0). It is written from a Gay man's perspective dissenting from the current HIV-AIDS theory. Another book he wrote is _Poison by Prescription: The AZT Story_. Also search on Peter H. Duesberg for primary sources in various Journals. Dan Harter dharter(a)harter.pg.md.us

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Re: libsln.htm -- Is Libel a Crime?
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

drgrubor is now at the pgh.org instead of aol.com On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > [Cc: to Dr. John Martin Grubor, Law Systems Institute, Medical-Cannabis Assn] > > Jim Choate wrote: > > > > > > Landskroner, LTD. [INLINE] > > > > Libel / Slander > > I am not sure if you posted this information in response to my request > to cite a statute that would prove that libel is a crime. > > Me> Jim Choate wrote: > Me> > > Me> > > Me> > > Me> > Are you aware that attributing statements in print to a party when that > Me> > party did not write them is a crime? > Me> > Me> cite the statute > > > These postings do not prove that libel is a crime. It is because libel > is not a crime. Libel is a tort, and unlike with crime, the government > cannot initiate a legal action against someone for libel. Only injured > (libeled) individuals and not the government can sue in a libel case. > That is correct. Libel is a tort and not a crime. > I would appreciate if someone more knowledgeable about the law could > comment on this. I may be mistaken. > > igor No, you are correct Igor. Libel is written defamation, and defamation is NEVER a crime in the USA. It may be in other countries, but not the good old USA. > > > Libel / Slander is an area that involves defamatory oral or written > > statements containing false and misleading material which causes > > damage or injury to reputation and/or monetary loss. > > And it is tough to prove. Just where was this article posted at? > > We provide a quick review of their success stories , some media and > > newspaper articles about what they've been able to do for their > > clients, and published articles about this topic. > > > > Please e-mail us with questions about our service! Landskroner and > > Phillips > > [INLINE] > > > > Nationally Recognized Consumer Trial Advocates. > > Over 100 Years combined experience in both State and Federal Courts. > > These guys do not know what they are talking about. > > 55 Public Square, Tenth Floor, Cleveland Ohio 44113-1904 > > Phone: (216) 241-7000 > > Fax: (216) 241-3135 > > Toll Free: (888) 241-7001 > > [INLINE] > > > > > > - Igor. > The assholes are not Criminal Lawyers, and I will give them a call to check them out... I left a mesage with them. and told the InterNet lawyer to call be back. This is just a Civil Law firm looking for business. -aga

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Sharon / Re: Scott's Legal Problems
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sharon, While I don't have a lot of details regarding Scott's personal history, as such, I have a lifetime of experience with TS, the medical system, and the legal system, as well. I spent more than a little time in court and at seminars, as a counsellor, addressing the issues of physical and mental disabilities and the resulting behavior patterns that are engendered by them. I have found that both judges and prosecutors inherently understand the issues themselves, but that defendants rarely have anyone able to effectively speak for them in regard to these issues. The fact of the matter is, the legal system is geared toward 'punishment' as a means of impressing upon people that they need to modify their behavior in order to act within the boundaries required by society. In order for people with special needs to be afforded an opportunity to meet society's requirements, there is an onus upon them to be able to show reasonable cause to the judge as to why a 'generic' solution to the problem they present to society is neither feasible, nor just. As a result of being afflicted with Tourette Syndrome, your son has problems that I am very familiar with, since I have had to deal with the results of the affliction myself for almost a half-century, without proper diagnosis. So I will endeavor to explain some of the life-experiences that I have been through, personally, as a result of this disease's influence on my life. The fact is, I was unjustly charged and convicted of a minor drug offense at the age of 19, for the simple reason that I was 'different' from the other 'suspects', and thus was more suspicious. I was fortunate enough to recognize that I was, indeed, different from others, and that this would be something that would affect my life greatly in the future. The result was that I made an effort to fully understand the intricacies of the law and to take actions to protect myself in the future, no matter whether my actions were in line with societies dictates, or beyond the acceptable boundaries of society. When you are 'different', then you are subject to a much closer scrutiny than the rest of society, and to a much harsher punishment, as a rule. I have spent hours on end at the border crossing near my hometown while customs officials called down the drug dogs from the big city, because I couldn't explain to them why I was 'twitching'. I have spent many days in jail waiting to answer to charges that would later be dismissed because there was no substance to them. I have been subjected to personal debasement and humiliating libel because of various authorities deeming that the manifestations of my disability were signs of my lack of morality, or of evil intentions on my part. You say your son has problems over possessing pills that a friend gave him to try in order to help his TS? My father and mother have given me, over the years, various of their medications to try in order to see if it would help me. They did so because, for all of their care and concern, helping me as much as possible within the 'proper boundaries' of medical science, I was not getting what I needed in order to become a functional human being. My father and mother are respected business people and leading members of the community. They never had to fear getting 'busted' for stepping outside the bounds of society--but I did. I found a drug, amphetamine, that helped me to become a functional member of society, but I was subject to arrest and imprisonment if I got caught possessing it. After over three decades of occasional 'illegal' use of the drug, it is now prescribed for my by a doctor who is allowed to do so because it is now a 'recognized' treatment for TS. But, from a legal standpoint, I was supposed to forego use of the drug and lead a more dysfunctional life. DWI's? The most functional period of my life was spent self-medicating with alcohol and nicotine. I acted as president of a small computer company while smoking a carton of cigarettes a day and drinking a case (24) of beer a day. It made me functional. I put on 30-50,000 miles a year, accident free, and there were times that I would not drive if I didn't have my 'medicine/beer' because I didn't feel it was safe to do so. I had the foresight to buy my own breathalyzer so that I could guage my drinking according to the legal standard, but I did so only for legal reasons, not for reasons of safety. Public intoxication? I was recently 'forced' to show up in court in a state of legally defined 'public intoxication' in order not to be locked in a cage like an animal as a result of my disabilities. I missed a court appearance because the prescribed medications I was taking could not get me onto the 'day schedule' required by the legal system. Under threat of imprisonment for failing to show up at the next court date, I spent the previous night imbibing my 'old faithful' medication, Scotch. I had a friend drive me to court, and I drank Scotch and Coke while pleading my case (which I won). I had no desire to 'break the law'. I did not have an 'attitude problem'. I was not trying to 'flaunt the rules of society'. I was trying to survive. I was trying to keep from being locked in a cage for not being able to function according to society's wishes without performing actions which also went against society's wishes, but which would enable me to avoid 'punishment', nonetheless. I take it that Scott is 'hiding out' to avoid being locked in a cage for violating the rules of society. I have spent a great deal of my life 'hiding out' so that I would not have to come into contact with society and be punished for trying to survive while not fitting into the common mold. There have been times when I was forced to 'hide out' from showing up in court to answer this-or-that charge which I knew would be dismissed if I could hold out until I was functional enough to deal with the situation. I had the foresight and the knowledge to do so using the same 'techniques' as a lawyer who isn't ready to plead a case because he stayed up too late drinking the night before. I 'fudged' the truth, as lawyers do every day, but I did so in order to compensate for a dysfunctionality which was very real, but undiagnosed and therefore unrecognized by the legal system. I have been blessed enough in life to have 'escaped' many situations which could have turned out badly for me, by virtue of learning at a young age that I needed to institute my own methods of dealing with a dysfunctionality which I recognized, but which, in many ways, remained a mystery to me. I have also been blessed by having the extreme good fortune to have encountered a number of judges and prosecutors who were truly concerned about justice, and who had the ability to judge me as a human being, and take into account the fact that I was being honest with them about my attitude, intentions and circumstances, even when my outward actions or appearance did not correspond to what they were used to seeing in 'normal' people. And I have been blessed to be able to make a difference in the lives of others by pleading their case to those in authority over them, when they were unable to effectively do so themselves. During my years as a consellor and court-appointed advisor, I was only vaguely aware that I understood the circumstances of the people I was helping to defend because I shared their disabilities and their dysfunctionality. In regard to Scott, I don't know him personally, but the trials and tribulations that you have shared on the pov-twitch forum are not foreign to me, as they mirror my own life in many ways. What I would say to a judge and a prosecutor who are charged with the duty of protecting both society and the individual, is this: 1. Please have the compassion and the wisdom to take a close look at Scott as a human being, and seriously consider what special circumstances may be raised by the fact that he is afflicted with a medical condition that affects his life in ways that he has little control over. 2. Try to make a distinction between actions, behaviors and attitudes that are a result of a 'bad attitude' or a 'criminal intent', and the actions, behaviors and attitudes of an individual who is trying desperately to survive in a world in which he is ill-equipped to function as a result of his disabilities. 3. Please make an attempt to review his past history of involvement with the legal system with an eye toward recognizing that perhaps the judgements made about him, and the resulting legal decisions regarding the disposition of his cases, did not fully take into account his physical and mental disabilities and thus did not reflect the best course of resolution of his case for the greatest benefit of both society and the individual himself. (The Tourette-support forums regularly contain postings by loving and concerned parents who are horrified by the mistaken judgements--and resulting punishments-they made concerning their children before they came to realize that their child had physical and mental disabilities which required them to view his or her actions in a new light, and find unique solutions for the problems that these disabilities presented.) 4. Keep in mind the fact that resistance to authority and the tendency to 'flee' from the face of society are common traits among many who suffer from Tourette Syndrome and its accompanying afflictions. (I posted a message to pov-twitch in which I spoke of feeling like a "hunted animal" for much of my life, and I received a huge outpouring of responses from TS-adults which reflected the pain and fear that they still carried inside of themselves as a result of a lifetime of persecution for the 'small sin' of being different from those around them.) 5. Please realize that you are judging an individual, whose future lies in your hands, who has a genuine need for special understanding in order to bring his case to a resolution which will benefit society and the individual himself. It is easy to recognize the special circumstances and needs necessary to dispense true justice in the case of the 'obviously' and the 'acceptably' disabled. When one is confronted with a retarded individual, or a person in a wheel-chair, the special circumstances regarding the disposition of their case are obvious. When judging a person who is rambling on disjointedly about the voices in his or her head, and truly hears them, then the need to take this into consideration is equally obvious. It is much more difficult to put Tourette Syndrome-type behaviors and attitudes into proper perspective, and to judge the part they play in an individuals actions and behaviors. TS traits encompass ADHD and OCD (Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder), and a variety of 'borderline' dysfunctionalities which result in actions and behaviors which are easy to classify as 'willful', 'disrespectful', etc. (Children who won't sit still in their chairs; who utter obscenities; who perform impulsive actions based on irrational, illogical thought processes.) I recognize that there are certain instances in which society's interest is best served by locking up an individual so that they do not do irrepairable harm to others, but if this concept is extended to the point where it becomes the preferred method of dealing with psychological disabilities, out of convenience, then I feel that justice is no longer being served. Society, in return for abridging the rights of an individual to act in any manner that he or she pleases, also takes on the responsibility to ensure that the individual will not unduly suffer as a result of the dictates of society. If society chooses to judge Scott for stepping outside the boundaries of its rule of law, then society must ensure that Scott is afforded the opportunity to gain the medical assistance that he needs in order to deal with his disabilities within the bounds of society's laws. Imprisonment is hardly likely to be a solution that will result in changes to Scott's medical disabilities. If the legal system is not able to propose an alternative to imprisonment, then what hope is there, really, for anyone who is engaged in a daily battle to overcome the trials, tribulations and stigmatism associated with the affliction of Tourette Syndrome. I wish you and Scott all the best in dealing with his present situation, and I hope that you are blessed with a judge who understands that society is composed of individuals and that, in judging the individual, he or she is judging society itself. Love, Toto

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Re: THE NEW YORKER on the V-Chip
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:48 AM 1/24/97 -0800, Greg Broiles wrote: ... >While I think it's always useful to consider unintended (or otherwise >unexpected) consequences, Gladwell's argument sent a shiver down my spine >with its shameless paternalism. This bit (from roughly the middle of his >piece) is what I found creepiest: > >"According to one recent study, somewhere between twenty and twenty-seven >per cent of the parents of four-to six-year-olds never restrict their >children's viewing hours, never decide what programs they can watch, never >change the channel when something objectionable comes on, and never forbid >the watching of certain programs. It has apparently never occurred to these >parents that television can be a bad influence, and it strains credulity to >think that the advent of the V-chip is going to wake them up. Yet their >families - mainly lower-income, ill-educated - are the very ones most in >need of protection from television violence. Here is a rearranging effect >with a vengeance: not only does the V-chip make television worse, it makes >television worse precisely for those already most vulnerable to its excesses." > >I understood Gladwell's point to be, in essence, that the V-chip will allow >TV producers to generate higher levels of morally impure content which he >fears will pollute the minds of poor children because their parents are too >stupid to protect them from the harmful content and too poor to buy new >televisions which will include V-chips. ... What this means is, subsidized v-chip upgrades, and v-chips turned on by default. Now to watch the really good stuff you have to subscribe to "tv-un v-chipped" Sorry, I couldn't resist the pot shot.

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)miron.vip.best.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'nymrod'} = '<nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"lead"} = "<mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"exon"} = "<remailer(a)remailer.nl.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"haystack"} = "<haystack(a)holy.cow.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"lucifer"} = "<lucifer(a)dhp.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"balls"} = "<remailer(a)huge.cajones.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"middle"} = "<middleman(a)jpunix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"dustbin"} = "<dustman(a)athensnet.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek mix reord middle ?"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"death"} = "<x(a)deathsdoor.com> cpunk pgp hash latent post"; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix) (weasel squirrel) The alpha and nymrod nymservers are down due to abuse. However, you can use the nym or weasel (newnym style) nymservers. The cyber nymserver is quite reliable for outgoing mail (which is what's measured here), but is exhibiting serious reliability problems for incoming mail. The squirrel and winsock remailers accept PGP encrypted mail only. 403 Permission denied errors have been caused by a flaky disk on the Berkeley WWW server. This seems to be fixed now. The penet remailer is closed. Last update: Mon 27 Jan 97 6:48:19 PST remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- nym config(a)nym.alias.net ****#**#**## 1:33 99.99% balls remailer(a)huge.cajones.com *****++###*# 2:40 99.98% dustbin dustman(a)athensnet.com --+---+---+ 2:14:49 99.92% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net ------------ 4:55:21 99.87% exon remailer(a)remailer.nl.com ###*### #### :37 99.76% haystack haystack(a)holy.cow.net ###+*##***#* 29:02 99.72% weasel config(a)weasel.owl.de ++++++-++++ 1:17:40 99.33% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de +++-++++++ 1:16:21 99.16% extropia remail(a)miron.vip.best.com ----------- 3:58:51 99.13% lead mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu +*+*+ +++--+ 2:05:09 98.97% middle middleman(a)jpunix.com -- .-*++. 8:38:28 98.42% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com __.-+-.- 25:34:03 97.98% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net +*+**+++*+ * 1:28:18 96.80% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net -+--- +--+ 1:16:40 95.45% lucifer lucifer(a)dhp.com ++++++++ + 1:24:25 95.15% replay remailer(a)replay.com *** * * 16:22 69.31% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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OTP security
by Rick Osborne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was thinking about the thread we had a week or so ago about OTPs. Say I'm going to burn a CD of what I think are cryptographically random bits, but somehow I end up with part of my stream being predictable (say every 16th bit). What does this do to the security of my CD? _________ o s b o r n e @ g a t e w a y . g r u m m a n . c o m _________ Sam Jones <samjones(a)leo.unm.edu> on the Nine Types of User: Shaman - "Last week, when the moon was full, the clouds were thick, and formahaut was above the horizon, I typed f77, and lo, it did compile." Advantages: Gives insight into primative mythology. Disadvantages: Few scons are anthropology majors. Symptoms: Frequent questions about irrelavent objects. Real Case: One user complained that all information on one of their disks got erased (as Norton Utilities showed nothing but empty sectors, I suspect nothing had ever been on it). Reasoning that the deleted information went *somewhere*, they wouldn't shut up until the scon checked four different disks for the missing information.

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> It is obvious to me that those who are waving the bloody flag of > "censorship" are doing so for either of two reasons. The ones to > whom I am the most sympathetic are those who simply do not have > a clear and coherent understanding of rights in an anarchistic, > volunteeristic society. You need have no sympathy. Those members of this list see it as it is, a list that was supposed to be, in some small way, a "model" of an anarchistic discussion forum for the subject of cryptography, either technically (later split into coderpunks) or at a sociopolitical level. That was the intended direction of the list, it has rapidly disentigrated over recent months into a censored list where the elite post to the main list and anyone else is nearly always relegated to a seperate list for the crypto-untermenshcen. > The ones for whom I have no sympathy are those whose obvious > goal is disruption of the Cypherpunks list and who are hiding > behind a phoney interpretation of "free speech." You may make as many excuses as you like, the bottom line is you have become what you profess to hate most, a censor. If having the right to post freely on a list that was supposed to operate as a free and open anarchic forum is not a valid interpretation of free speech I cannot envisage any more elegant example. > I think both of these groups are intellectually dishonest in the > extreme when it comes to telling others how this list should be > run. I doubt any of them would permit the sort of disruptive > behavior that goes on here to go unchallenged in salons they > sponsor in their own homes or on Net lists that they themselves > maintain. If you want to talk about intellectual dishonesty try the following: Imagine if you will a list, the original purpose of which was to act as a free and open forum for discussion of cryptography and related issues. A list which proudly proclaims in its "welcome to the list" message: We do not seek to prevent other people from speaking about their experiences or their opinions. Now imagine that list falling into a state of content based censorship and censorship based on an unspoken but ever present class structure, then ask yourself which list you know that most closely matches this description, it`s a pretty revealing exercise. > This is a voluntary list folks. We tried incivility and that did > not work. Right now we are experimenting with reasoned discourse > in an atmosphere of interpersonal respect and good will. For "Reasoned discourse in an atmosphere of interpersonal respect and good will" read "content based censorship". > If most list members like the change, it will continue. If not, then we > can go back to the swill or perhaps try something else. In the > meantime, get over it. If you really like flames and spam, show > John and me how it really should be done. Start another list. > Of course squating and claim jumping appeal to the lazy a lot > more than homesteading. It is a foregone conclusion that the upper class of list members will have no dispute over the censorship and therefore the change will be permenant, it is a form of online ethnic cleansing whereby the lists clique of illuminati have taken it upon themselves to remove the elements of the list they feel endanger their position of superiority and respect, the point they have missed is that they have no credibility whatsoever after this incident, as well as a number of other such occurances and therefore are only isolating themselves into their own little world. "cypherpunks will make the networks safe for censorship" Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk > To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 19:12:05 +0000 > Subject: Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Priority: normal Can anyone tell me if my previous message with the above headers (end of message quoted in below) was sent to the censored list or to cypherpunks-flames? - I subscribe to the unmoderated version of the list so do not get to see what goes where.... > I do not have the resources to run such an unmoderated list but I > hope someone on this list does and is good enough to start such a > list, cypherpunks is a shell of what it once was. > > Also, please note this message will be junked onto cypherpunks-flames > even though it contains no flames or flame bait because it dares to > criticise the censorship of the list (once again Sandy, I give you an > opportunity to prove me wrong). Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: Censorship
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 26 Jan 97 at 22:28, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > "Ross Wright" <rwright(a)adnetsol.com> writes: > > > On or About 26 Jan 97 at 2:19, blanc wrote: > >> > > >Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > >>>Jim Choate wrote: > > > >>>>>Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > >>>>>>>irrelevant(a)nowhere.com wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>Dale Thorn wrote: > > > > > > It can be said 100,000 times, but it still comes out the same: > > > Just as in "The only cure for bad speech is more speech", "the > > > only cure for 'list-focus-drift' is more on-focus postings". > > > > THE PRICE OF FREE SPEECH IS TOLERANCE OF IDEAS THAT WE MAY > > OBJECT TO. > > Comversely, some people are willing to give up their own freedom of > speech so as to silence others whose views they don't like. Who could be that stupid? Why would they even want to give up an inch of their freedoms? >They > hope that they'll be censored less than their "enemies". A weak hope at best. Once you start censoring it becomes a "Slippery Slope". > But a forum > can't be "a little bit censored" just like a woman can't be "a > little bit pregnant". You got that right! =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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Posting percentages
by Peterson, Mike 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr. Dimitri Vulus KOTM wrote: Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org> writes: >> Regardless of which side you take on this matter, remember that the issue >> was forced by the actions of an extremely small segment of the list >> "population." >The list "population" (readers) is a couple of thousand people, almost >all of whom are lurkers. All posters are an extremely small segment of >the readership. It's true on most Internet forums. Just because us "lurkers" don't post, doesn't mean that we aren't taking sides, agreeing, disagreeing, or otherwise. Small portions of the population doesn't mean that the rest of us have no comment, just not the will to make the post.

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OTP security
by Rick Osborne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was thinking about the thread we had a week or so ago about OTPs. Say I'm going to burn a CD of what I think are cryptographically random bits, but somehow I end up with part of my stream being predictable (say every 16th bit). What does this do to the security of my CD? _________ o s b o r n e @ g a t e w a y . g r u m m a n . c o m _________ Sam Jones <samjones(a)leo.unm.edu> on the Nine Types of User: Shaman - "Last week, when the moon was full, the clouds were thick, and formahaut was above the horizon, I typed f77, and lo, it did compile." Advantages: Gives insight into primative mythology. Disadvantages: Few scons are anthropology majors. Symptoms: Frequent questions about irrelavent objects. Real Case: One user complained that all information on one of their disks got erased (as Norton Utilities showed nothing but empty sectors, I suspect nothing had ever been on it). Reasoning that the deleted information went *somewhere*, they wouldn't shut up until the scon checked four different disks for the missing information.

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Re: THE NEW YORKER on the V-Chip
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:48 AM 1/24/97 -0800, Greg Broiles wrote: ... >While I think it's always useful to consider unintended (or otherwise >unexpected) consequences, Gladwell's argument sent a shiver down my spine >with its shameless paternalism. This bit (from roughly the middle of his >piece) is what I found creepiest: > >"According to one recent study, somewhere between twenty and twenty-seven >per cent of the parents of four-to six-year-olds never restrict their >children's viewing hours, never decide what programs they can watch, never >change the channel when something objectionable comes on, and never forbid >the watching of certain programs. It has apparently never occurred to these >parents that television can be a bad influence, and it strains credulity to >think that the advent of the V-chip is going to wake them up. Yet their >families - mainly lower-income, ill-educated - are the very ones most in >need of protection from television violence. Here is a rearranging effect >with a vengeance: not only does the V-chip make television worse, it makes >television worse precisely for those already most vulnerable to its excesses." > >I understood Gladwell's point to be, in essence, that the V-chip will allow >TV producers to generate higher levels of morally impure content which he >fears will pollute the minds of poor children because their parents are too >stupid to protect them from the harmful content and too poor to buy new >televisions which will include V-chips. ... What this means is, subsidized v-chip upgrades, and v-chips turned on by default. Now to watch the really good stuff you have to subscribe to "tv-un v-chipped" Sorry, I couldn't resist the pot shot.

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List of reliable remailers
by Raph Levien 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I operate a remailer pinging service which collects detailed information about remailer features and reliability. To use it, just finger remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu There is also a Web version of the same information, plus lots of interesting links to remailer-related resources, at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~raph/remailer-list.html This information is used by premail, a remailer chaining and PGP encrypting client for outgoing mail. For more information, see: http://www.c2.org/~raph/premail.html For the PGP public keys of the remailers, finger pgpkeys(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu This is the current info: REMAILER LIST This is an automatically generated listing of remailers. The first part of the listing shows the remailers along with configuration options and special features for each of the remailers. The second part shows the 12-day history, and average latency and uptime for each remailer. You can also get this list by fingering remailer-list(a)kiwi.cs.berkeley.edu. $remailer{"extropia"} = "<remail(a)miron.vip.best.com> cpunk pgp special"; $remailer{"mix"} = "<mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek ksub reord ?"; $remailer{"replay"} = "<remailer(a)replay.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut post ek"; $remailer{'alpha'} = '<alias(a)alpha.c2.org> alpha pgp'; $remailer{'nymrod'} = '<nymrod(a)nym.jpunix.com> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"lead"} = "<mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"exon"} = "<remailer(a)remailer.nl.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"haystack"} = "<haystack(a)holy.cow.net> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"lucifer"} = "<lucifer(a)dhp.com> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"jam"} = "<remailer(a)cypherpunks.ca> cpunk mix pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"winsock"} = "<winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net> cpunk pgp pgponly hash cut ksub reord"; $remailer{'nym'} = '<config(a)nym.alias.net> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"balls"} = "<remailer(a)huge.cajones.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"squirrel"} = "<mix(a)squirrel.owl.de> cpunk mix pgp pgponly hash latent cut ek"; $remailer{"middle"} = "<middleman(a)jpunix.com> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; $remailer{'cyber'} = '<alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net> alpha pgp'; $remailer{"dustbin"} = "<dustman(a)athensnet.com> cpunk pgp hash latent cut ek mix reord middle ?"; $remailer{'weasel'} = '<config(a)weasel.owl.de> newnym pgp'; $remailer{"death"} = "<x(a)deathsdoor.com> cpunk pgp hash latent post"; $remailer{"reno"} = "<middleman(a)cyberpass.net> cpunk mix pgp hash middle latent cut ek reord ?"; catalyst(a)netcom.com is _not_ a remailer. lmccarth(a)ducie.cs.umass.edu is _not_ a remailer. usura(a)replay.com is _not_ a remailer. remailer(a)crynwr.com is _not_ a remailer. There is no remailer at relay.com. Groups of remailers sharing a machine or operator: (cyber mix) (weasel squirrel) The alpha and nymrod nymservers are down due to abuse. However, you can use the nym or weasel (newnym style) nymservers. The cyber nymserver is quite reliable for outgoing mail (which is what's measured here), but is exhibiting serious reliability problems for incoming mail. The squirrel and winsock remailers accept PGP encrypted mail only. 403 Permission denied errors have been caused by a flaky disk on the Berkeley WWW server. This seems to be fixed now. The penet remailer is closed. Last update: Mon 27 Jan 97 6:48:19 PST remailer email address history latency uptime ----------------------------------------------------------------------- nym config(a)nym.alias.net ****#**#**## 1:33 99.99% balls remailer(a)huge.cajones.com *****++###*# 2:40 99.98% dustbin dustman(a)athensnet.com --+---+---+ 2:14:49 99.92% winsock winsock(a)rigel.cyberpass.net ------------ 4:55:21 99.87% exon remailer(a)remailer.nl.com ###*### #### :37 99.76% haystack haystack(a)holy.cow.net ###+*##***#* 29:02 99.72% weasel config(a)weasel.owl.de ++++++-++++ 1:17:40 99.33% squirrel mix(a)squirrel.owl.de +++-++++++ 1:16:21 99.16% extropia remail(a)miron.vip.best.com ----------- 3:58:51 99.13% lead mix(a)zifi.genetics.utah.edu +*+*+ +++--+ 2:05:09 98.97% middle middleman(a)jpunix.com -- .-*++. 8:38:28 98.42% mix mixmaster(a)remail.obscura.com __.-+-.- 25:34:03 97.98% cyber alias(a)alias.cyberpass.net +*+**+++*+ * 1:28:18 96.80% reno middleman(a)cyberpass.net -+--- +--+ 1:16:40 95.45% lucifer lucifer(a)dhp.com ++++++++ + 1:24:25 95.15% replay remailer(a)replay.com *** * * 16:22 69.31% History key * # response in less than 5 minutes. * * response in less than 1 hour. * + response in less than 4 hours. * - response in less than 24 hours. * . response in more than 1 day. * _ response came back too late (more than 2 days). cpunk A major class of remailers. Supports Request-Remailing-To: field. eric A variant of the cpunk style. Uses Anon-Send-To: instead. penet The third class of remailers (at least for right now). Uses X-Anon-To: in the header. pgp Remailer supports encryption with PGP. A period after the keyword means that the short name, rather than the full email address, should be used as the encryption key ID. hash Supports ## pasting, so anything can be put into the headers of outgoing messages. ksub Remailer always kills subject header, even in non-pgp mode. nsub Remailer always preserves subject header, even in pgp mode. latent Supports Matt Ghio's Latent-Time: option. cut Supports Matt Ghio's Cutmarks: option. post Post to Usenet using Post-To: or Anon-Post-To: header. ek Encrypt responses in reply blocks using Encrypt-Key: header. special Accepts only pgp encrypted messages. mix Can accept messages in Mixmaster format. reord Attempts to foil traffic analysis by reordering messages. Note: I'm relying on the word of the remailer operator here, and haven't verified the reord info myself. mon Remailer has been known to monitor contents of private email. filter Remailer has been known to filter messages based on content. If not listed in conjunction with mon, then only messages destined for public forums are subject to filtering. Raph Levien

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Daniel Harter wrote: > ichudov(a)algebra.com wrote: > > Dale Thorn wrote: > > > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > Why do they take antibiotics? Just curious. > To treat various Venerial Diseases whose standard treatments are > antibiotics. > > Also, I haven't heard that antibiotics were bad for immune system, > > has that been proven? > What does seem to have credence is that the use of antibiotics breeds > resistant strains of bacteria, which may or may not be contagious. > A book that poses an opposing viewpoint to the current AIDS epidemic > is _The AIDS War_ by John Lauritsen (1993, Asklepios, New York, ISBN > 0-943742-08-0). It is written from a Gay man's perspective dissenting > from the current HIV-AIDS theory. Another book he wrote is _Poison by > Prescription: The AZT Story_. Also search on Peter H. Duesberg for > primary sources in various Journals. According to my AIDS database, a possible reason for the "hotly debated" theories of Duesberg is that because of the suspicion falling on the govt. and the WHO in regard to creating the HIV virus, the govt. was happy to have Duesberg and ilk deflecting a lot of that criticism. This doesn't make Duesberg wrong by implication, but there were suggestions of disinformation....

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> It is obvious to me that those who are waving the bloody flag of > "censorship" are doing so for either of two reasons. The ones to > whom I am the most sympathetic are those who simply do not have > a clear and coherent understanding of rights in an anarchistic, > volunteeristic society. You need have no sympathy. Those members of this list see it as it is, a list that was supposed to be, in some small way, a "model" of an anarchistic discussion forum for the subject of cryptography, either technically (later split into coderpunks) or at a sociopolitical level. That was the intended direction of the list, it has rapidly disentigrated over recent months into a censored list where the elite post to the main list and anyone else is nearly always relegated to a seperate list for the crypto-untermenshcen. > The ones for whom I have no sympathy are those whose obvious > goal is disruption of the Cypherpunks list and who are hiding > behind a phoney interpretation of "free speech." You may make as many excuses as you like, the bottom line is you have become what you profess to hate most, a censor. If having the right to post freely on a list that was supposed to operate as a free and open anarchic forum is not a valid interpretation of free speech I cannot envisage any more elegant example. > I think both of these groups are intellectually dishonest in the > extreme when it comes to telling others how this list should be > run. I doubt any of them would permit the sort of disruptive > behavior that goes on here to go unchallenged in salons they > sponsor in their own homes or on Net lists that they themselves > maintain. If you want to talk about intellectual dishonesty try the following: Imagine if you will a list, the original purpose of which was to act as a free and open forum for discussion of cryptography and related issues. A list which proudly proclaims in its "welcome to the list" message: We do not seek to prevent other people from speaking about their experiences or their opinions. Now imagine that list falling into a state of content based censorship and censorship based on an unspoken but ever present class structure, then ask yourself which list you know that most closely matches this description, it`s a pretty revealing exercise. > This is a voluntary list folks. We tried incivility and that did > not work. Right now we are experimenting with reasoned discourse > in an atmosphere of interpersonal respect and good will. For "Reasoned discourse in an atmosphere of interpersonal respect and good will" read "content based censorship". > If most list members like the change, it will continue. If not, then we > can go back to the swill or perhaps try something else. In the > meantime, get over it. If you really like flames and spam, show > John and me how it really should be done. Start another list. > Of course squating and claim jumping appeal to the lazy a lot > more than homesteading. It is a foregone conclusion that the upper class of list members will have no dispute over the censorship and therefore the change will be permenant, it is a form of online ethnic cleansing whereby the lists clique of illuminati have taken it upon themselves to remove the elements of the list they feel endanger their position of superiority and respect, the point they have missed is that they have no credibility whatsoever after this incident, as well as a number of other such occurances and therefore are only isolating themselves into their own little world. "cypherpunks will make the networks safe for censorship" Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Moderated list is missing headers
by Lou Poppler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The arguments about imaginary quotes and libel are harder to untangle because the moderation process seems to consume the mail headers showing the messages' travels before reaching toad.com. I suggest that these headers are signal not noise, and should be propagated if at all possible. We have had problems in the past with forgeries, and should retain this basic tool for evaluating a message's source. <preemptive remarks> I know I could get these from the unmoderated list -- but I prefer the moderated version so far, and think they should be here also. I know PGP signatures are a better way of authenticating a message. </preemptive remarks> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by mail.msen.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA02344 for <lwp(a)mail.msen.com>; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA24082; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 06:41:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701271441.GAA24082(a)toad.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:33:05 -0800 From: Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)EINSTEIN.ssz.com> Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Fantasy quotes & libel Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk [ message body irrelevant ]

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> writes: > There has been great concern raised among those in the medical >profession regarding the end-effects of their wholesale >prescribing of anitbiotics for colds, aches and pains, etc., >leading to the development of new strains of virus which are >immune to the older antibiotics. This leads to development of >stronger (misused) antibiotics, which then leads to stronger >strains of virus. > There have been a number of studies which point to the fact that >the human immune system is now caught in a battle between >increasingly potent virus and antibiotics and is losing its >capacity to fightits 'natural' enemies. Antibiotics are for fighting bacterial infections. Antibiotics have no effect on viruses at all. However you are accurate in that the abuse of antibiotics for things like colds (a virus, no effect) has led us to a very dangerous situation. (antibiotic resistant bacteria) I suggest the book "The Coming Plague" who's authors name escapes me at the moment, if you, or anyone else is interested. Brian Cypherpunk Extropian " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't faucet."

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk > To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 19:12:05 +0000 > Subject: Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list > Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Priority: normal Can anyone tell me if my previous message with the above headers (end of message quoted in below) was sent to the censored list or to cypherpunks-flames? - I subscribe to the unmoderated version of the list so do not get to see what goes where.... > I do not have the resources to run such an unmoderated list but I > hope someone on this list does and is good enough to start such a > list, cypherpunks is a shell of what it once was. > > Also, please note this message will be junked onto cypherpunks-flames > even though it contains no flames or flame bait because it dares to > criticise the censorship of the list (once again Sandy, I give you an > opportunity to prove me wrong). Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Privacy/info site
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I stumbled upon this site and have not had an opportunity to visit it in toto (certainly no pun intended, Mr. Toto). Seems to have a wealth of info and links for the military/security oriented. http://hrvati.cronet.com/mprofaca/mcsusa2.html Alec

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Posting percentages
by Peterson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr. Dimitri Vulus KOTM wrote: Rabid Wombat <wombat(a)mcfeely.bsfs.org> writes: >> Regardless of which side you take on this matter, remember that the issue >> was forced by the actions of an extremely small segment of the list >> "population." >The list "population" (readers) is a couple of thousand people, almost >all of whom are lurkers. All posters are an extremely small segment of >the readership. It's true on most Internet forums. Just because us "lurkers" don't post, doesn't mean that we aren't taking sides, agreeing, disagreeing, or otherwise. Small portions of the population doesn't mean that the rest of us have no comment, just not the will to make the post.

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Brian D Williams 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> writes: > There has been great concern raised among those in the medical >profession regarding the end-effects of their wholesale >prescribing of anitbiotics for colds, aches and pains, etc., >leading to the development of new strains of virus which are >immune to the older antibiotics. This leads to development of >stronger (misused) antibiotics, which then leads to stronger >strains of virus. > There have been a number of studies which point to the fact that >the human immune system is now caught in a battle between >increasingly potent virus and antibiotics and is losing its >capacity to fightits 'natural' enemies. Antibiotics are for fighting bacterial infections. Antibiotics have no effect on viruses at all. However you are accurate in that the abuse of antibiotics for things like colds (a virus, no effect) has led us to a very dangerous situation. (antibiotic resistant bacteria) I suggest the book "The Coming Plague" who's authors name escapes me at the moment, if you, or anyone else is interested. Brian Cypherpunk Extropian " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't faucet."

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Moderated list is missing headers
by Lou Poppler 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The arguments about imaginary quotes and libel are harder to untangle because the moderation process seems to consume the mail headers showing the messages' travels before reaching toad.com. I suggest that these headers are signal not noise, and should be propagated if at all possible. We have had problems in the past with forgeries, and should retain this basic tool for evaluating a message's source. <preemptive remarks> I know I could get these from the unmoderated list -- but I prefer the moderated version so far, and think they should be here also. I know PGP signatures are a better way of authenticating a message. </preemptive remarks> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by mail.msen.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA02344 for <lwp(a)mail.msen.com>; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 10:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA24082; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 06:41:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199701271441.GAA24082(a)toad.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 04:33:05 -0800 From: Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> To: Jim Choate <ravage(a)EINSTEIN.ssz.com> Cc: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Re: Fantasy quotes & libel Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk [ message body irrelevant ]

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Re: Censorship
by Ross Wright 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On or About 26 Jan 97 at 22:28, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > "Ross Wright" <rwright(a)adnetsol.com> writes: > > > On or About 26 Jan 97 at 2:19, blanc wrote: > >> > > >Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > >>>Jim Choate wrote: > > > >>>>>Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > >>>>>>>irrelevant(a)nowhere.com wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>Dale Thorn wrote: > > > > > > It can be said 100,000 times, but it still comes out the same: > > > Just as in "The only cure for bad speech is more speech", "the > > > only cure for 'list-focus-drift' is more on-focus postings". > > > > THE PRICE OF FREE SPEECH IS TOLERANCE OF IDEAS THAT WE MAY > > OBJECT TO. > > Comversely, some people are willing to give up their own freedom of > speech so as to silence others whose views they don't like. Who could be that stupid? Why would they even want to give up an inch of their freedoms? >They > hope that they'll be censored less than their "enemies". A weak hope at best. Once you start censoring it becomes a "Slippery Slope". > But a forum > can't be "a little bit censored" just like a woman can't be "a > little bit pregnant". You got that right! =-=-=-=-=-=- Ross Wright King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services http://www.slip.net/~cdr/kingmedia Voice: 415-206-9906

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S/KEY (was: 2 Questions)
by peter.allan＠aeat.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steven M Orrin <privsoft(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Hey guys, > 2 quick questions: > Are there any known hacks or weaknesses in S/Key? S/Key has a rather limited scope, in aiming to prevent replay attacks. These are where somebody snoops on your network to obtain passwords, an uses them in later login attempts. This is undoubtedly a major weakness in most current networks. S/Key addresses this replay of data obtained in passive eavesdropping, but that is all it does. Several attacks against S/Key have been discussed [1], including: race attacks: eavesdropping most of the hash, and racing the user to provide the rest of it active attacks: impersonating the server to learn future hashes or simply hijacking an established session. Strengthening S/Key really means expanding the scope to get an authenticated and encrypted 2-way connection. [John Gilmore's S/WAN may end up achieving this. I'm not familiar with it (yet?).] Ideas for improving S/Key that involve secret data stored on the server tend to get frowned on, as the original aim was to avoid that. In any case you cannot get the full encrypted 2-way connection without getting a whole lot more complicated. Recent discussions [2] have centred on ways to rekey the list of hashes remotely when the count runs down. These changes, and S/Key itself, are better than nothing but where's the ham sandwich ? [3] Beside the protocol weakness there is potential for finding collisions in the hash function (MD4 originally). A choice of hash functions can be provided. See RFC-1938. 1) See also SecureID, which is more complicated and still subject to similar attacks. 2) Not here. 3) Old joke. A ham sandwich is better than nothing, and nothing is better than a life of complete happiness, so ...... -- Peter Allan peter.allan(a)aeat.co.uk

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Best Computer School?
by SpyKing 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a little off topic but maybe someone can help. I've got a teenage son (HS sophomore) who's interested in majoring in computer science in college with a particular interest in cryptography. He's leaning toward MIT. Any suggestions from list members as to colleges to investigate?

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Passphrase Online...
by John Shaft 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>If I am connected to the Internet via a SLIP/PPP connection and I >>type my passphrase while being online (for example, in Private >>Idaho, after getting my mail), could that passphrase be compromised? >>If so, how would that be done? There are a number of things that can happen. Basically, if you don't directly control the device/application that is doing the encryption for you, you run the risk of someone intercepting whatever you xmit. For example, if you have a dial up type shell account with your local ISP, and you depend on some UNIX based encryption program to secure your mail (running on the ISP's machine), anyone with root access can tap the tty and watch you enter your passphrase. You're also susceptable (sp?) to someone taping your phone line and looking at you with a packet analyzer. I suppose if you were doing something locally, and someone wanted to be really sneaky, they could embed something like keycopy on your machine (with a virus or something) and get coppied every time you enter a keystroke. I don't suppose it would be all that difficult to get a machine to run a tsr that got kicked off every time you accessed something like, say , PGP....Comments? Shaft! Damn Straigt. shaft(a)africamail.com

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Kevin L Prigge 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk said: > > I think both of these groups are intellectually dishonest in the > > extreme when it comes to telling others how this list should be > > run. I doubt any of them would permit the sort of disruptive > > behavior that goes on here to go unchallenged in salons they > > sponsor in their own homes or on Net lists that they themselves > > maintain. > > If you want to talk about intellectual dishonesty try the following: > > Imagine if you will a list, the original purpose of which was > to act as a free and open forum for discussion of cryptography and > related issues. A list which proudly proclaims in its "welcome to > the list" message: > > We do not seek to prevent other people from > speaking about their experiences or their opinions. > > Now imagine that list falling into a state of content based > censorship and censorship based on an unspoken but ever present > class structure, then ask yourself which list you know that most > closely matches this description, it`s a pretty revealing exercise. The exercise reveals to me that only by ignoring the first paragraph of your example, the part that reads "Imagine if you will a list, the original purpose of which was to act as a free and open forum for discussion of cryptography and related issues." can you make a claim of content based censorship. The purpose of this list was and should be discussion of cryptography and related issues. The fact that some people choose this as a forum for personal attacks and blathering about issues that are not even vaguely related to the discussion of cryptography and related issues does not make it a proper forum for such communication. > > This is a voluntary list folks. We tried incivility and that did > > not work. Right now we are experimenting with reasoned discourse > > in an atmosphere of interpersonal respect and good will. > > For "Reasoned discourse in an atmosphere of interpersonal respect and > good will" read "content based censorship". For "voluntary list" read "voluntary list". > > > If most list members like the change, it will continue. If not, then we > > can go back to the swill or perhaps try something else. In the > > meantime, get over it. If you really like flames and spam, show > > John and me how it really should be done. Start another list. > > Of course squating and claim jumping appeal to the lazy a lot > > more than homesteading. > > It is a foregone conclusion that the upper class of list members will > have no dispute over the censorship and therefore the change will be > permenant, it is a form of online ethnic cleansing whereby the lists > clique of illuminati have taken it upon themselves to remove the > elements of the list they feel endanger their position of superiority > and respect, the point they have missed is that they have no > credibility whatsoever after this incident, as well as a number of > other such occurances and therefore are only isolating themselves > into their own little world. The Big Lie once again. yadda yadda yadda "Censorship!" yadda yadda yadda "No Credibility" yadda yadda yadda ad nauseum. > > "cypherpunks will make the networks safe for censorship" "Idiots will make the networks require censorship" -- Kevin L. Prigge | Some mornings, it's just not worth Systems Software Programmer | chewing through the leather straps. Internet Enterprise - OIT | - Emo Phillips University of Minnesota |

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, On Sun, 26 Jan 1997 paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk wrote: > You need have no sympathy. Those members of this list see it as it > is, a list that was supposed to be, in some small way, a "model" of > an anarchistic discussion forum for the subject of cryptography,... Nonsense. It was supposed to be a discussion of crypto and other technologies in support of privacy. The founders, Hughes, Gilmore, May and Daniel were focusing on that goal. The list structure was anarchistic (and still is to those who understand the concept of anarco-capitalism). Obviously Gilmore is not wedded to the idea of letting every fool use his bandwidth. In personal discussions as recently as yesterday, Hughes had no problem in supporting some mechanism to promote civility on the list. I don't think anything May has written would suggest he would have a problem with keeping things polite. His only argument seems to be over methodology. He thinks filtering is the answer; I don't. Reasonable minds may differ. Hugh Daniel has been instrumental in providing technical help with regard to moderation. Finally, the fact that the vast majority of list members have not seen fit to "vote with their feet" should suggest how most really feel about moderation. (By the way, if you don't like moderation, you would hate Eric Hughes' favored solution.) > ...That was the intended direction of the list, it > has rapidly disentigrated over recent months into a censored list > where the elite post to the main list and anyone else is nearly > always relegated to a seperate list for the crypto-untermenshcen. Again, nonsense. The moderation experiment (moderation, not censorship) has been in effect for all of ONE WEEK. Where does Paul get this hysterical "recent months" stuff? > If you want to talk about intellectual dishonesty try the following: > > Imagine if you will a list, the original purpose of which was > to act as a free and open forum for discussion of cryptography and > related issues... Paul's argument is the essence of literal conservativism, "but I don't things to change!" Without change, though, there can be no progress. Moderation is a one-month experiment. There is no intellectual dishonesty in saying, "let's try something else for a while." > Now imagine that list falling into a state of content based > censorship and censorship based on an unspoken but ever present > class structure,... "Unspoken but ever present class structure"? I wonder how Paul was able to divine this? Certainly it is unspoken, but that, of course, it because it does not exist anywhere but in Paul's fertile imagination. > It is a foregone conclusion that the upper class of list members will > have no dispute over the censorship and therefore the change will be > permenant,... Great! I thought that hadn't been determined yet. What a relief. S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Privacy/info site
by Alec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I stumbled upon this site and have not had an opportunity to visit it <underline>in toto </underline>(certainly no pun intended, Mr. Toto). Seems to have a wealth of info and links for the military/security oriented. http://hrvati.cronet.com/mprofaca/mcsusa2.html Alec

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Re: Xerox is watching you
by David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Martin Minow sez: > > You'll find an article worth a visit to the dentist in the January > 1997 issue of Popular Science. It tells a story from the 1960's > cold war era. You might take this to alt.folklore.urban. Barring any factual support, it better fits there. After all Popular Science once had their famous battery carrier design, and an older friend related reading of their scheme to reduce the weight of battle tanks to get them up the Burma Road during WWII. It involved helium, and to reduce space, it was to be compressed into large cylinders bolted to the sides........ -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: PGPmail for Windows, Version 4.5
by wlkngowl＠unix.asb.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 26 Jan 1997 18:59:32 -0500, you wrote: [..] >It doesn't seem to work with the mail program in MS IE, or MS WordMail. >I understand why some people don't like Microsoft, but excluding >support for popular Microsoft programs seems contrary to their >stated goal of promoting the use of crypto. I believe (according to their page) it's in the works to add support for other programs. It might also be that the MS CryptoAPI may impose limitations on crypto plug-ins that require annoying hacks to use conveniently. But maybe not... I'm surprised the didn't mention Pegasus Mail, which is an amazing "hot" mailer, with a sort-of built-in crypto plug-in capability... it's also free. Rob ----- "The word to kill ain't dirty | Robert Rothenburg (WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.com) I used it in the last line | http://www.asb.com/usr/wlkngowl/ but use a short word for lovin' | Se habla PGP: Reply with the subject and dad you wind up doin' time." | 'send pgp-key' for my public key.

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Best Computer School?
by SpyKing 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a little off topic but maybe someone can help. I've got a teenage son (HS sophomore) who's interested in majoring in computer science in college with a particular interest in cryptography. He's leaning toward MIT. Any suggestions from list members as to colleges to investigate?

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Passphrase Online...
by John Shaft 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>>If I am connected to the Internet via a SLIP/PPP connection and I >>type my passphrase while being online (for example, in Private >>Idaho, after getting my mail), could that passphrase be compromised? >>If so, how would that be done? There are a number of things that can happen. Basically, if you don't directly control the device/application that is doing the encryption for you, you run the risk of someone intercepting whatever you xmit. For example, if you have a dial up type shell account with your local ISP, and you depend on some UNIX based encryption program to secure your mail (running on the ISP's machine), anyone with root access can tap the tty and watch you enter your passphrase. You're also susceptable (sp?) to someone taping your phone line and looking at you with a packet analyzer. I suppose if you were doing something locally, and someone wanted to be really sneaky, they could embed something like keycopy on your machine (with a virus or something) and get coppied every time you enter a keystroke. I don't suppose it would be all that difficult to get a machine to run a tsr that got kicked off every time you accessed something like, say , PGP....Comments? Shaft! Damn Straigt. shaft(a)africamail.com

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S/KEY (was: 2 Questions)
by Peter M Allan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Steven M Orrin <privsoft(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: > Hey guys, > 2 quick questions: > Are there any known hacks or weaknesses in S/Key? S/Key has a rather limited scope, in aiming to prevent replay attacks. These are where somebody snoops on your network to obtain passwords, an uses them in later login attempts. This is undoubtedly a major weakness in most current networks. S/Key addresses this replay of data obtained in passive eavesdropping, but that is all it does. Several attacks against S/Key have been discussed [1], including: race attacks: eavesdropping most of the hash, and racing the user to provide the rest of it active attacks: impersonating the server to learn future hashes or simply hijacking an established session. Strengthening S/Key really means expanding the scope to get an authenticated and encrypted 2-way connection. [John Gilmore's S/WAN may end up achieving this. I'm not familiar with it (yet?).] Ideas for improving S/Key that involve secret data stored on the server tend to get frowned on, as the original aim was to avoid that. In any case you cannot get the full encrypted 2-way connection without getting a whole lot more complicated. Recent discussions [2] have centred on ways to rekey the list of hashes remotely when the count runs down. These changes, and S/Key itself, are better than nothing but where's the ham sandwich ? [3] Beside the protocol weakness there is potential for finding collisions in the hash function (MD4 originally). A choice of hash functions can be provided. See RFC-1938. 1) See also SecureID, which is more complicated and still subject to similar attacks. 2) Not here. 3) Old joke. A ham sandwich is better than nothing, and nothing is better than a life of complete happiness, so ...... -- Peter Allan peter.allan(a)aeat.co.uk

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Re: 4th ACM Conference on Computer and Communications Security
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone going there? It's right next doors - at least next to mine :) Remo Pini

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Re: PGPmail for Windows, Version 4.5
by Rob 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 26 Jan 1997 18:59:32 -0500, you wrote: [..] >It doesn't seem to work with the mail program in MS IE, or MS WordMail. >I understand why some people don't like Microsoft, but excluding >support for popular Microsoft programs seems contrary to their >stated goal of promoting the use of crypto. I believe (according to their page) it's in the works to add support for other programs. It might also be that the MS CryptoAPI may impose limitations on crypto plug-ins that require annoying hacks to use conveniently. But maybe not... I'm surprised the didn't mention Pegasus Mail, which is an amazing "hot" mailer, with a sort-of built-in crypto plug-in capability... it's also free. Rob ----- "The word to kill ain't dirty | Robert Rothenburg (WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.com) I used it in the last line | http://www.asb.com/usr/wlkngowl/ but use a short word for lovin' | Se habla PGP: Reply with the subject and dad you wind up doin' time." | 'send pgp-key' for my public key.

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RE: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Sandy Sandfort (By the way, if you don't like moderation, you would hate Eric Hughes' favored solution.) ............................................... What was that? .. Blanc

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Re: Shave the Whales
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Disruptive Vasectomy died of AIDS last night with his homosexual lover. \|/ @ @ -oOO-(_)-OOo- Dr.Disruptive Vasectomy

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Re: 4th ACM Conference on Computer and Communications Security
by Remo Pini 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone going there? It's right next doors - at least next to mine :) Remo Pini

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kevin L Prigge wrote: > paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk said: > > > I think both of these groups are intellectually dishonest in the > > > extreme when it comes to telling others how this list should be > > > run. I doubt any of them would permit the sort of disruptive > > > behavior that goes on here to go unchallenged in salons they > > > sponsor in their own homes or on Net lists that they themselves > > > maintain. > > > > If you want to talk about intellectual dishonesty try the following: > > > > Imagine if you will a list, the original purpose of which was > > to act as a free and open forum for discussion of cryptography and > > related issues. A list which proudly proclaims in its "welcome to > > the list" message: > > > > We do not seek to prevent other people from > > speaking about their experiences or their opinions. > > > > Now imagine that list falling into a state of content based > > censorship and censorship based on an unspoken but ever present > > class structure, then ask yourself which list you know that most > > closely matches this description, it`s a pretty revealing exercise. > > The exercise reveals to me that only by ignoring the first paragraph > of your example, the part that reads "Imagine if you will a list, > the original purpose of which was to act as a free and open forum > for discussion of cryptography and related issues." can you make > a claim of content based censorship. The purpose of this list was Then why discussion of machine guns should be allowed here? igor

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Re: Shave the Whales
by Huge Cajones Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Disruptive Vasectomy died of AIDS last night with his homosexual lover. \|/ @ @ -oOO-(_)-OOo- Dr.Disruptive Vasectomy

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Handbook of Applied Cryptography
by Mullen, Patrick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(My apologies if someone else has posted this information and I missed it.) _Handbook_of_Applied_Cryptography_, Menezes, Oorschot, Vanstone, CRC Press, Boca Raton, 1997 With a foreword by R.L. Rivest Contents in Brief: Table of Contents v List of Tables xv List of Figures xix Foreword xxi Preface xxiii 1 Overview of Cryptography 1 2 Mathematical Background 49 3 Number-Theoretic Reverence Problems 87 4 Pulic-Key Parameters 133 5 Pseudorandom Bits and Sequences 169 6 Stream Ciphers 191 7 Block Ciphers 223 8 Public-Key Encryption 283 9 Hash Functions and Data Integrity 321 10 Identification and Entity Authentication 385 11 Digital Signatures 425 12 Key Establishment Protocols 489 13 Key Management Techniques 543 14 Efficient Implementation 591 15 Patents and Standards 635 A Bibliography of Papers from Selected Cryptographic Forums 663 References 703 Index 775 >From the back cover: << BEGIN QUOTE >> Cryptography, in particular public-key cryptography, has emerged in the las 20 years as an important discipline that is not only the subject of an enormous amount of research, but provides the foundation for information security in many applications. Standards are emerging to meet the demands for cryptographic protection in most areas of data communications. Public- key cryptographic techniques are now in widespread use in industry, especially in the financial services industry, in the public sector, and by individuals for their personal privacy, such as in electronic mail. This Handbook will serve as a valuable reference for the novice as well as for the expert who needs a wider scope of coverage within the aread of cryptography. It is a necessary and timely guide for professionals who practice the art of cryptography. The _Handbook_of_Applied_Cryptography_ provides a treatment that is multifunctional: * It serves as an introduction to the more practical aspects of both conventional and public-key cryptography * It is a valuable source of the latest techniques and algorithms for the serious practitioner * It provides an integrated treatment of the field, whil still presenting each major topic as a self-contained unit * It provides a mathematical treatment to accompany practical discussions * It contains enough abstractoin to be a valuable reference for theoreticians while containing enough detail to actually allow implementation of the algorithms discussed This is the definitive cryptography reference that novice as well as experienced developers, designers, researchers, engineers, computer scientists, and mathematicials alike will find indispensable. << END QUOTE >> ~ Patrick

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RE: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Sandy Sandfort (By the way, if you don't like moderation, you would hate Eric Hughes' favored solution.) ............................................... What was that? .. Blanc

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Re: libsln.htm -- Is Libel a Crime?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:14 AM 1/27/97 -0600, ichudov(a)algebra.com wrote: >I am not sure if you posted this information in response to my request >to cite a statute that would prove that libel is a crime. > >Me> Jim Choate wrote: >Me> > >Me> > >Me> > >Me> > Are you aware that attributing statements in print to a party when that >Me> > party did not write them is a crime? >Me> >Me> cite the statute > > >These postings do not prove that libel is a crime. It is because libel >is not a crime. Libel is a tort, and unlike with crime, the government >cannot initiate a legal action against someone for libel. Only injured >(libeled) individuals and not the government can sue in a libel case. On the contrary, in some jurisdictions libel is indeed a crime. However, that doesn't mean that prosecutions happen anymore, but the laws are (in some places) still on the books. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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No Subject
by Ciro Maria 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

remove

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