December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Homo/bi/sexuals Most Destructive (fwd)
by no_one＠nowhere.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In article <199701250026.QAA13770(a)toad.com>, ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) wrote: > Much drivel about AIDS deleted. > > > One of the saddest commentaries on the entire problem is the > > man, a Pan-American flight steward, who was identified as carrier > > #1 by the Communicable Disease Center (CDC) in Atlanta; he died > > The correct term is 'Patient 0'. And the CDC is the Centers for Disease Control; and it has since found many, many prior cases of AIDS. These three minor errors are indicative of Attila's reliability of the subject. Of course, no one at CDC or NIH believes any of this crap; it was tired a decade ago. ObCrypto? How to implement RL anonymity protocols for medical treatment? (Of course I'm stretching it - but "carriers" were the *first* horseman.

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Re: Homo/bi/sexuals Most Destructive (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From satan_is_a_hacker(a)juno.com Fri Jan 24 22:06:53 1997 > Subject: Re: Homo/bi/sexuals Most Destructive (fwd) > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:57:52 EST > > YOU ARE BOTH WRONG THE CORRECT TERM IS INDEX CASE > >The correct term is 'Patient 0'. You are welcome to contact the CDC in Georgia and correct their terminology. I am shure they would appreciate it. http://www.cdc.gov/ Their webpage search capability is temporarily down so you might have to talk to a real person, Center for Disease Control and Prevention 1600 Clifton Rd., NE. Atlanta, GA 30333 404-639-3311 Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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overview.htm
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

_________________________________________________________________ OVERVIEW OF HIV/AIDS _________________________________________________________________ Some important facts about the evidence that HIV causes AIDS are: * Tests for HIV antibody in persons with AIDS show that they are infected with the virus. * HIV has been isolated from persons with AIDS and grown in pure culture. * Studies of blood transfusion recipients before 1985 documented the transmission of HIV to previously uninfected persons who subsequently developed AIDS. Before the discovery of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the virus that causes AIDS, epidemiologic studies of AIDS patients' sex partners and AIDS cases occurring in blood transfusion recipients before 1985 clearly showed that the underlying cause of AIDS was an infectious agent. Infection with HIV has been the only common factor shared by persons with AIDS throughout the world, including homosexual men, transfusion recipients, persons with hemophilia, sex partners of infected persons, children born to infected women, and health care workers who were infected with HIV while on the job, mainly by being stuck with a needle used on an HIV-infected patient. Although we know that HIV is the cause of AIDS, much remains to be known about exactly how HIV causes the immune system to break down. Scientists are constantly discovering more information about HIV and AIDS. These discoveries help people learn how to stop transmission of the virus and help people infected with HIV to live longer, healthier lives. One important question to answer is why some people exposed to HIV become infected and others do not. Scientists believe it is most likely because of how infectious the other person is and how they are exposed. For example, more than 90 percent of persons who were exposed through an HIV-infected unit of blood became infected. So we know that blood-to-blood contact is a very efficient way that HIV is spread. On the other hand, many health care workers are splashed with blood or bloody body fluids and this type of exposure has caused very few occurrences of HIV infection. Researchers know how HIV is spread and the ways that people can help protect themselves from being exposed to HIV. If you have questions about HIV infection and AIDS, please call the CDC National AIDS Hotline at the tollfree number, 1-800-342-2437. If you wish to write to CDC regarding this subject, please write to the CDC National AIDS Clearinghouse, Post Office Box 6003, Rockville, Maryland, 20849-6003. _________________________________________________________________ Back to HIV/AIDS Information Return to HIV/AIDS Information Back to DHAP home page GO BACK TO DHAP HOME PAGE (with graphics) (text only) _________________________________________________________________ Last Updated: June 13, 1996 Updated By: Technical Information Activity email: hivmail(a)cidhiv1.em.cdc.gov

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language drift
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One of my projects involves tracking language drift; i.e the relative change in word frequency on the internet as time goes by. This is useful for predicting concept movement, and the anglisization rates of non-English language countries. Now, one day while browsing the frequencies from the 10 billion word corpus, what do I see? God 2,177,242 America 2,178,046 designed 2,181,106 five 2,189,194 December 2,190,028 ;) -Julian Assange <proff(a)iq.org>

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Re: testing email from airport kiosk
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An update on the SF airport kiosk email machines: Judging from the headers, there _is_ a Linux machine driving the laptops, and there's a Metricom ricochet modem providing the communications path - interesting alternative to wires, and I guess they don't mind having the extra radio waves in the airport. It does support anonymous email, in that you can type in any email address you want, and it doesn't seem to mind. In addition to limited web, telnet, and outgoing email, it lets you retrieve email with POP3. Doesn't seem to be a way to get it to run a program, though :-) --------------------------------- Return-Path: <johndoe(a)airport.sf.na> Received: from linux.quickaid.com (root(a)www.quickaid.com [204.188.26.11]) by ixmail4.ix.netcom.com (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA18934; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:59:22 -0800 (PST) From: johndoe(a)airport.sf.na Received: from SFO-00-6.ricochet.net ([204.254.16.39]) by linux.quickaid.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA22004 for <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com>; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:00:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199701230600.WAA22004(a)linux.quickaid.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:58:40 To: stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Subject: testing email from airport kiosk X-Mailer: QuickAID Kiosk who am i # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:38 PM 1/23/97 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >> We here all know that this is right but it's obvious that >> the language is sliding towards Internet = Web. Most people > >Typical modern American attitude, getting it right is too much work so >let's lower the benchmark so anyone can be 'right'. >You'll be supporting Ebonics next. One of the points of the Ebonics program is to recognize that other people don't always speak the same way you do, and that if you want to communicate with them, you'll be more successful if you realize it, understand when they're talking in their dialect, and if you're going to talk back to them in yours, remember to translate on occasion. _Regardless_ of whose dialect is "right" (of course on technical issues, we technical people are right, but if you've got the hacker nature, treat it as a problem in social engineering.......) Speaker to Marketers

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Re: PSS_sst
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

# Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: [No Subject:]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi! It's useful to include a subject line in email so people can decide whether to read it and have more context for it, though calling yourself "fuck you" will probably deter a few people. There are lots of anarchists on the net; you can run into some good discussions on Usenet on several newsgroups with "anarchy" or "anarchism" in the titles. Rec.caves has good underground material...... As far as decryption tools goes, they're pretty closely related to encryption algorithms. There's been a discussion, probably on cryptography(a)c2.org (subscribe via cryptography-request(a)c2.org) though maybe it was on cypherpunks, about designing a screen-saver DES-cracker. At 11:47 PM 1/23/97 EST, fuck you wrote: >If anyone has any text files on the following topics please send them. I >have many files if any one else needs them. > >PGP >Making decryption tools >Anarchy >Satan >Anything underground > > > # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Comments
by Lou Zer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

All comments on my article will be welcome and replied to.

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Anyone have info on foreign "ITARS"
by Bill Campbell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone have any pointers to info about the import/export restrictions on encryption products in various countries. I know any such summary would be very dynamic, but perhaps there's something out there. Thanks! =Bill=

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Re: Homo/bi/sexuals Most Destructive (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From satan_is_a_hacker(a)juno.com Fri Jan 24 22:06:53 1997 > Subject: Re: Homo/bi/sexuals Most Destructive (fwd) > Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:57:52 EST > > YOU ARE BOTH WRONG THE CORRECT TERM IS INDEX CASE > >The correct term is 'Patient 0'. You are welcome to contact the CDC in Georgia and correct their terminology. I am shure they would appreciate it. http://www.cdc.gov/ Their webpage search capability is temporarily down so you might have to talk to a real person, Center for Disease Control and Prevention 1600 Clifton Rd., NE. Atlanta, GA 30333 404-639-3311 Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: greed and the internet
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> The Internet will no no longer be the peoples net, and the > commercial greedies are establishing a faster, more secure > network with controlled access points; leaving the common man's > access in the mud, still paying the exorbitant rates on a pay > before play basis. That, and it gives control of information to > the government --which, as we all know. is 'heavenly white' > -above sin. > Rather than being forced by pressures from the market, smaller ISPs appear to be holding their own and in many cases thriving. A significant number of them have begun to form their own cooperatives to operate mini-NAPs, mosty to aggregate local traffic and reduce unnecessary traffic to the NAPs. It isn't too far a stretch to envision that should this practive become commonplace, these smaller ISPs could band together to create their own Net overlay, bypassing the NAPs. This trend could spell trouble for gov't agencies expecting to monitor Net traffic from only a few convenient locations (i.e., NAPs). --Steve

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Scandinavian Goverments provide PGP to postal customers...
by Hugh Daniel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

FYI: >From: jsp(a)betz.biostr.washington.edu >Sent: Friday, January 24, 1997 2:31 PM >Subject: Meanwhile, back in the Free World... > > >Encrypted Email For Finns, Swedes, Danes > by Sami Kuusela > > 4:43 pm PST 23 Jan 97 - While keeping a watchful eye on the emerging > American encryption policy, Scandinavian countries are embarking > on a joint project to implement the first international email security > service. > > Nordic Post Security Service (NPSS) - involving Finland, Norway, > Sweden, and Denmark - hopes to provide secure email, and > officials say that soon every Nordic citizen can walk into the > nearest post office and sign up for it. > > But no matter the success of the secure email system, the NPSS > project is a clear sign that, unlike the United States, Northern > Europe is moving forward with exporting encryption technology > across national barriers. > > "Finnish policy has not been to start with regulations and fear of > Net issues," says Anu Lamberg, the head of the Information > Network Unit in the Finnish Ministry of Transport and > Communications. "The American discussion on this matter has > been funny to watch, but I hope nobody in Europe or Finland starts > to question the very basics of democracy." > > Based on PGP, with no "third-party" key holder, the Nordic system > uses unbreakable RSA-algorithm encryption with a 1024-bit key. > > However, some hardware is required. Because the key is on a > smartcard, users must have smartcard readers installed on their > computers, which aren't yet widely available. But Pdr Andler of > Finnish Hewlett Packard says that later this year, smartcard readers > will become standard on computers in Scandinavia. "It is a really > big help for users, who don't have to remember dozens of > passwords when using different kind of services," Andler says. > > The project has been moderately successful in Finland - the first > Nordic country to offer the secure email - as the system isn't any > more difficult to use than a standard email program. All the user > has to do is click "send." > > For project developers, using strong crypto was never an issue. > "From the very beginning we've been basing this on strong crypto," > says Vesa-Pekka Moilanen, technical director for Finland Post, and > mastermind of the email project. "At first, the customers are going > to be mainly professionals," he says, "but quite soon private > individuals will start using it." But the use of secure email probably > won't be widespread until 1998 - if then. > > "If strong crypto is banned it's going to have major effects on the > development of information society," says Risto Siilasmaa, the > CEO and president of DataFellows, one of the only makers of > encryption programs in Finland. The Finnish government awarded > DataFellows "most innovative company" honors in 1996. "But > nobody is going to limit strong crypto. I haven't met a single > leading Nordic official who says otherwise." > > One question, though: What if a Nordic citizen enters the United > States with the email program installed on his or her laptop? For > now, Nordic officials are only beginning to contemplate the > ramifications.

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overview.htm
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

_________________________________________________________________ OVERVIEW OF HIV/AIDS _________________________________________________________________ Some important facts about the evidence that HIV causes AIDS are: * Tests for HIV antibody in persons with AIDS show that they are infected with the virus. * HIV has been isolated from persons with AIDS and grown in pure culture. * Studies of blood transfusion recipients before 1985 documented the transmission of HIV to previously uninfected persons who subsequently developed AIDS. Before the discovery of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the virus that causes AIDS, epidemiologic studies of AIDS patients' sex partners and AIDS cases occurring in blood transfusion recipients before 1985 clearly showed that the underlying cause of AIDS was an infectious agent. Infection with HIV has been the only common factor shared by persons with AIDS throughout the world, including homosexual men, transfusion recipients, persons with hemophilia, sex partners of infected persons, children born to infected women, and health care workers who were infected with HIV while on the job, mainly by being stuck with a needle used on an HIV-infected patient. Although we know that HIV is the cause of AIDS, much remains to be known about exactly how HIV causes the immune system to break down. Scientists are constantly discovering more information about HIV and AIDS. These discoveries help people learn how to stop transmission of the virus and help people infected with HIV to live longer, healthier lives. One important question to answer is why some people exposed to HIV become infected and others do not. Scientists believe it is most likely because of how infectious the other person is and how they are exposed. For example, more than 90 percent of persons who were exposed through an HIV-infected unit of blood became infected. So we know that blood-to-blood contact is a very efficient way that HIV is spread. On the other hand, many health care workers are splashed with blood or bloody body fluids and this type of exposure has caused very few occurrences of HIV infection. Researchers know how HIV is spread and the ways that people can help protect themselves from being exposed to HIV. If you have questions about HIV infection and AIDS, please call the CDC National AIDS Hotline at the tollfree number, 1-800-342-2437. If you wish to write to CDC regarding this subject, please write to the CDC National AIDS Clearinghouse, Post Office Box 6003, Rockville, Maryland, 20849-6003. _________________________________________________________________ Back to HIV/AIDS Information Return to HIV/AIDS Information Back to DHAP home page GO BACK TO DHAP HOME PAGE (with graphics) (text only) _________________________________________________________________ Last Updated: June 13, 1996 Updated By: Technical Information Activity email: hivmail(a)cidhiv1.em.cdc.gov

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Cellular location...
by aaron＠herringn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Presented in a "this will help 911" context. Still disconcerting. [...] Companies working on the technology to track cellular phone calls have been given additional incentive with a Federal Communications Commission order that all cell phone service companies have location programs in place by the year 2001. [...] http://cnn.com/US/9701/22/911.rescue/index.html

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Homosexuality
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Lou Zer <satan_is_a_hacker(a)juno.com> writes: > Does any one know of any other good mailing Lists either with crypto or > anything underground Perhaps we should start an unmoderated list and call it "cypherpunks". Or create alt.cypherpunks. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Homo/bi/sexuals Most Destructive (fwd)
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 06:11 PM 1/24/97 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > >Forwarded message: > >> Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 21:33:41 +0000 >> From: "Attila T. Hun" <attila(a)primenet.com> >> Subject: Re: Homo/bi/sexuals Most Destructive > >Much drivel about AIDS deleted. > >> One of the saddest commentaries on the entire problem is the >> man, a Pan-American flight steward, who was identified as carrier >> #1 by the Communicable Disease Center (CDC) in Atlanta; he died > >The correct term is 'Patient 0'. > > Also he was an Air Canada steward. DCF -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBMul7M4VO4r4sgSPhAQHe8wP+KB2rk12gJJJozsNH5FKKOi6Gnk5zdggf N91N/3rOa6c0ZQFdDD9xE887pJe6wl3qER1S9OMeXMemG2J3RuCLWnIGBNcHAN0z FAMezugL832jzGRwy5ARTNnOYzq3DtgTQpynpo9atZjPMumyI+QQ7Qec8SOO9Nyc VnG2L9UL2zg= =QN46 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I would like to start a thread to discuss the moderation and rejection > policy. No doubt we all would but such threads may, without recourse to proper moderation, all be thrown into cypherpunks-flames if Sandy believes they will be critical of him. (prove me wrong Sandy, send this to the moderated list). > My perfectly crypto-relevant article regarding possible attacks > on human relationships with the use of forged mail and anonymous > remailers, has been tossed out (sorted) into cypherpunks-flames > mailing list. I don`t think I read the article (even though I subscribe to the unmoderated list), can you forward me a copy. As I understand it though, from other comentaries, it was junked because it was in response to a message by Dimitri who, given that it is Sandy that is moderating the list, is no doubt filtered by different criteria than anyone else on the list, in my opinion a censorous and fascist restraint as Dimitri has recently been posting more crypto relevant material, besides which whatever the content of his posts they should be open to review before a decision is made on if they are to be junked or not. > Sandy also states rather plainly that crypto-relevance is not the > criterion by which he moderates this list. I question this policy. Yes Sandy, please enlighten us, what is the criterion you use to moderate the list if not crypto-relevancy. I suspect an element of self preservation and protection of the list fuhrer and diktat maker John Gilmore (who, until the disgraceful incident with Dimitri commanded some respect on this list). > I would like to hear your opinions as to whether such policies satisfy > the current readership. I don`t think this is the point, John Gilmore is free to appoint whoever he wants to moderate his list, he is free to censor all messages which criticise him and his censorship, however, subscribers to the list should be told they are being censored on these grounds and not on some facade of "crypto relevancy" or another thin veil drawn weakly over content based censorship to protect a certain class of list members. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: your mail
by tekmasta＠global.california.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:37 PM 1/24/97 -0800, you wrote: >On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, fuck you wrote: > >> Are their any H/ P/ V/ A/ C ers on this list?? > > Yes. > >Genocide >Head of the Genocide2600 Group > > >============================================================================ > **Coming soon! www.Genocide2600.com! > ____________________ > *---===| |===---* > *---===| Genocide |===---* "You can be a king or a street > *---===| 2600 |===---* sweeper, but everyone dances with the > *---===|__________________|===---* Grim Reaper." > >Email: gen2600(a)aracnet.com Web: http://www.aracnet.com/~gen2600 > >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > It is by caffeine alone that I set my mind in motion. > It is by the Mountain Dew that the thoughts acquire speed, > the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. > It is by caffeine alone that I set my mind in motion. >=========================================================================== ===== try my site too http://gcwp.com/fadedimage can anyone help me out with getting pgp working... I just got 2.6.2 excutable the freeware one and its for dos... I need to get one that works with eudora or netscape.... please help! ,_ ,. .`.--- . ,-,-,-. ,---. .---. |_ / | ,-| |__ ,-|.`,| | | ,-.| -' ,-.,'\___ | /~~|-.| |,| | || | ; | .,-|| ,-'|-' \ | ,' `-'`-'`^---`-'' ' `-'`-^`---| `-' `---' ' ,-.| `-+' ,-. . .,-. . . . ,-_/,.,--. | | ,-.,-| | | ,-.,-|,-.,-.,-.,-.,-.. .,-.,-| ' |_|/| | | | .| || | | | .| || ||-'| | || | || || || | /| | | \| `--^-'' '`-' `--^-'' '`-'`-'' `-|' `-'`-'' '`-' `' `'`--\ ,| `' -= http://gcwp.com/fadedimage =-

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Re: Encrypting ZIP disks
by Jeremiah A Blatz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "David E. Smith" <dsmith(a)prairienet.org> writes: > 7. Secure sensitive files. > To keep sensitive or confidential information safe, store it > on a Zip disk and use your Zip Tools software to assign a > password that must be used in order to read from or write to > the disk. At work, you can protect sensitive information > such as personnel files, company directories, and product > plans and designs. At home, you can secure personal > information such as tax records, budgets, and computerized > checkbooks. FWIW (not much), Iomega claims that it can't recover the data on a password-protected disk. However, they do export those things, so I doubt it's strong. Jer "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMumJOskz/YzIV3P5AQHLZAL+MJhEH/aCbB9BX5R4nY4BIRBOGZw8socG 39D0q+UT8sS3YsMaeL6GqfEo04lsnQwAUWtI0I8/FcqYlWVGxwsOAboK3BZmJz40 y3/GmUz5dUpz0PctKbGYYQj/w6pbt/6z =mv67 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: PSS_sst
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

# Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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language drift
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One of my projects involves tracking language drift; i.e the relative change in word frequency on the internet as time goes by. This is useful for predicting concept movement, and the anglisization rates of non-English language countries. Now, one day while browsing the frequencies from the 10 billion word corpus, what do I see? God 2,177,242 America 2,178,046 designed 2,181,106 five 2,189,194 December 2,190,028 ;) -Julian Assange <proff(a)iq.org>

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:38 PM 1/23/97 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: >> We here all know that this is right but it's obvious that >> the language is sliding towards Internet = Web. Most people > >Typical modern American attitude, getting it right is too much work so >let's lower the benchmark so anyone can be 'right'. >You'll be supporting Ebonics next. One of the points of the Ebonics program is to recognize that other people don't always speak the same way you do, and that if you want to communicate with them, you'll be more successful if you realize it, understand when they're talking in their dialect, and if you're going to talk back to them in yours, remember to translate on occasion. _Regardless_ of whose dialect is "right" (of course on technical issues, we technical people are right, but if you've got the hacker nature, treat it as a problem in social engineering.......) Speaker to Marketers

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks maiing list
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Cynthia H. Brown wrote: > Beauty, flames and censorship are all in the eyes of the beholder. > However, by providing both "raw" and "cooked" versions of the list, Sandy > is allowing readers to choose for themselves whether or not they want > someone else's filters applied to their mailbox. Personally, I choose to > press the "Delete" key myself. > Agreed, and said private individual can do as s/he sees fit. My only > objection is that the moderated version has the same name as the original > list (sounds like Rogers Cable's recent attempt at "Costs More Unless You > Speak Up Now" channels). I apologize for intruding, Cynthia, but I have a question about "doing as s/he sees fit". For example, what is the list? Is it the equipment, is it the software that runs on the equipment, or is it the contents of the list (my writings, your writings, etc.)? If I had to rank them, I would rank the contents as being more important than the equipment or the software. That said, how can those contents be considered the property of the list owner/manager to do with as they see fit? I do understand that they have the right to manage the list as they see fit, and to move the messages into whatever buckets seem appropriate, but your phrasing suggested more to me, and I'm puzzled by it.

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Re: [No Subject:]
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi! It's useful to include a subject line in email so people can decide whether to read it and have more context for it, though calling yourself "fuck you" will probably deter a few people. There are lots of anarchists on the net; you can run into some good discussions on Usenet on several newsgroups with "anarchy" or "anarchism" in the titles. Rec.caves has good underground material...... As far as decryption tools goes, they're pretty closely related to encryption algorithms. There's been a discussion, probably on cryptography(a)c2.org (subscribe via cryptography-request(a)c2.org) though maybe it was on cypherpunks, about designing a screen-saver DES-cracker. At 11:47 PM 1/23/97 EST, fuck you wrote: >If anyone has any text files on the following topics please send them. I >have many files if any one else needs them. > >PGP >Making decryption tools >Anarchy >Satan >Anything underground > > > # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: testing email from airport kiosk
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An update on the SF airport kiosk email machines: Judging from the headers, there _is_ a Linux machine driving the laptops, and there's a Metricom ricochet modem providing the communications path - interesting alternative to wires, and I guess they don't mind having the extra radio waves in the airport. It does support anonymous email, in that you can type in any email address you want, and it doesn't seem to mind. In addition to limited web, telnet, and outgoing email, it lets you retrieve email with POP3. Doesn't seem to be a way to get it to run a program, though :-) --------------------------------- Return-Path: <johndoe(a)airport.sf.na> Received: from linux.quickaid.com (root(a)www.quickaid.com [204.188.26.11]) by ixmail4.ix.netcom.com (8.7.5/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA18934; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:59:22 -0800 (PST) From: johndoe(a)airport.sf.na Received: from SFO-00-6.ricochet.net ([204.254.16.39]) by linux.quickaid.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA22004 for <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com>; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 22:00:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199701230600.WAA22004(a)linux.quickaid.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:58:40 To: stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com Subject: testing email from airport kiosk X-Mailer: QuickAID Kiosk who am i # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Mailcrypt nym.alias.net support
by Jeremey Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- For those of you who use mailcrypt (Emacs-PGP interface) for email, I have hacked in support for pseudonyms ala nym.alias.net. In fact, the code has nym.alias.net hardcoded for now. I'm gonna add more stuff, but I'm just letting this out as is. This patch affects mailcrypt.el and mc-remail.el. I made these changes to mailcrypt 3.4, so your mileage may vary on other versions. I did this after the C2 party tonight, so typos and bugs are possible. Please email me if bugs are found. "This value is not configureable" does not qualify, I know it's not configureable yet. (BTW there are a couple functions not used, I was doing it one way, then changed my way of thinking, but the code is ok so I left it.) Installing it: o cd to your lisp directory o cat /path/to/the/patch | patch -p0, or something similar (You will need to pgp this message before extracting the patch to get rid of the leading "- " on some lines.) o recompile the .el files, ala: emacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile mc-remail.el emacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile mailcrypt.el Using it: o You _must_ have a remailer chain defined. This does not work with a single remailer (though a chain of length 1 might work). o Compose a message or reply as normal. Once you are done (the message would go out without nyms or remailers or anything if you hit C-c C-c), hit C-c / n. o The first question asks for a remailer chain, it will do completions. o The second question asks for the name of your nym. This is assumed to be @nym.alias.net, DO NOT include @nym.alias.net. If your nym is jimbob(a)nym.alias.net, just answer jimbob. This does not do completions at the moment. Putting your nym in your .emacs file is a bit weird anyway. o You will be asked for a signature for your nym's private key. o The message will be rewritten to send(a)nym.alias.net and then to the remailer chain you chose. o Send it. Hack the code at will, if you make significant enhancements, please email patches to me. Of course there is no warranty of any sort, if it blows up your machine you're out a machine. I will put this on my web page (http://www.veriweb.com/people/jeremey) for those that prefer that. Ok, here's the patch: - ---------------------------------cut here----------------------------------- *** mailcrypt.el Tue Oct 10 12:33:45 1995 - --- /usr/home/jeremey/PGP/mailcrypt-3.4/mailcrypt.el Sat Jan 25 02:45:27 1997 *************** *** 51,56 **** - --- 51,57 ---- (autoload 'mc-sign "mc-toplev" nil t) (autoload 'mc-insert-public-key "mc-toplev" nil t) (autoload 'mc-remailer-encrypt-for-chain "mc-remail" nil t) + (autoload 'mc-remailer-encrypt-for-nym "mc-remail" nil t) (autoload 'mc-remailer-insert-response-block "mc-remail" nil t) (autoload 'mc-remailer-insert-pseudonym "mc-remail" nil t) *************** *** 101,107 **** (define-key mc-write-mode-map "\C-c/b" 'mc-remailer-insert-response-block) (define-key mc-write-mode-map "\C-c/p" ! 'mc-remailer-insert-pseudonym))) (easy-menu-define mc-read-mode-menu (if mc-xemacs-p nil (list mc-read-mode-map)) - --- 102,110 ---- (define-key mc-write-mode-map "\C-c/b" 'mc-remailer-insert-response-block) (define-key mc-write-mode-map "\C-c/p" ! 'mc-remailer-insert-pseudonym) ! (define-key mc-write-mode-map "\C-c/n" ! 'mc-remailer-encrypt-for-nym))) (easy-menu-define mc-read-mode-menu (if mc-xemacs-p nil (list mc-read-mode-map)) *** mc-remail.el Wed Oct 4 15:45:56 1995 - --- /usr/home/jeremey/PGP/mailcrypt-3.4/mc-remail.el Sat Jan 25 02:44:16 1997 *************** *** 378,383 **** - --- 378,401 ---- (re-search-forward "^$" nil 'move) (cons (copy-marker start) (copy-marker (point))))))) + (defun mc-find-nym-from-header (name subject &optional insert) + ;; Find the header with a "::" immediately after the + ;; mail-header-separator. Return region enclosing header. Optional + ;; arg INSERT means insert the header if it does not exist already. + (save-excursion + (goto-char (point-min)) + (re-search-forward + (concat "^" (regexp-quote mail-header-separator) "\n")) + (if (or (and (looking-at "From") (forward-line 1)) + (and insert + (progn + (insert-before-markers + (concat "From: " name "\nTo: \nSubject:" subject "\n\n")) + (forward-line -1)))) + (let ((start (point))) + (re-search-forward "^$" nil 'move) + (cons (copy-marker start) (copy-marker (point))))))) + (defun mc-find-hash-header (&optional insert) (save-excursion (goto-char (point-min)) *************** *** 400,411 **** - --- 418,442 ---- (defsubst mc-replace-main-field (field replacement) (mc-replace-field field replacement (mc-find-main-header t))) + (defsubst mc-nuke-main-field (field) + (mc-nuke-field field (mc-find-main-header t))) + (defsubst mc-replace-hash-field (field replacement) (mc-replace-field field replacement (mc-find-hash-header t))) (defsubst mc-replace-colon-field (field replacement) (mc-replace-field field replacement (mc-find-colon-header t))) + (defsubst mc-insert-nym-header (replacement) + (mc-find-nym-from-header replacement + (cdr (car (mc-get-fields "Subject" + (mc-find-main-header)))) t) + (mc-replace-main-field "To" "send(a)nym.alias.net") + (mc-nuke-main-field "Cc") + (mc-nuke-main-field "Organization") + (mc-nuke-main-field "Subject") + (mc-nuke-main-field "From")) + (defun mc-recipient-is-remailerp () (let ((to (mc-get-fields "To" (mc-find-main-header)))) (and to *************** *** 516,521 **** - --- 547,568 ---- (setq pseudonym (concat pseudonym " <x(a)x.x>"))) (mc-replace-colon-field "From" pseudonym))) + (defun mc-remailer-insert-nym-nym () + "Insert pseudonym as a From field in the hash-mark header. + + See the documentation for the variable `mc-remailer-pseudonyms' for + more information." + (interactive) + (let ((completion-ignore-case t) + pseudonym) + (setq pseudonym + (cond ((null mc-remailer-pseudonyms) + (read-from-minibuffer "Pseudonym: ")) + (t + (completing-read "Pseudonym: " + (mapcar 'list mc-remailer-pseudonyms))))) + (mc-insert-nym-header pseudonym))) + ;;}}} ;;{{{ Mixmaster support (defvar mc-mixmaster-path nil *************** *** 730,735 **** - --- 777,826 ---- (error "Unable to encrypt message to %s" (mc-remailer-userid remailer))))) + (defun mc-rewrite-for-nym-internal (nym &optional pause) + ;; Rewrite the current mail buffer for nym.alias.net. This + ;; includes pulling down the To: and Subject: headers, changing + ;; the To: header, and encrypting to send(a)nym.alias.net and signing + ;; with the nym's key. This should be used only as part of + ;; mc-rewrite-for-nym since it will subsequently chain the message + ;; through a set of remailers. + (let ((addr "send(a)nym.alias.net") + (main-header (mc-find-main-header))) + + ;; Move "Subject" lines down. + (goto-char (cdr main-header)) + (forward-line 1) + (mapcar + (function (lambda (f) (insert (car f) ":" (cdr f)))) + (mc-get-fields "Subject" main-header t)) + (insert "\n") + + ;; Move "To" lines down. + (goto-char (cdr main-header)) + (forward-line 1) + (mapcar + (function (lambda (f) (insert (car f) ":" (cdr f)))) + (mc-get-fields "To" main-header t)) + + ;; Insert "From" for nym.alias.net + (goto-char (cdr main-header)) + (forward-line 1) + (insert (concat "From: " nym "\n")) + + (goto-char (car main-header)) + (insert "To: send(a)nym.alias.net\n") + + (if pause + (let ((cursor-in-echo-area t)) + (message "SPC to encrypt for %s : " addr) + (read-char-exclusive))) + (setq main-header (mc-find-main-header)) + (goto-char (cdr main-header)) + (forward-line 1) + (let ((mc-encrypt-for-me nil)) + (mc-encrypt-message "send(a)nym.alias.net" nil (point) nil + (concat nym "@nym.alias.net") t)))) + (defun mc-rewrite-for-chain (chain &optional pause) ;; Rewrite the current buffer for a chain of remailers. ;; CHAIN must be in canonical form. *************** *** 744,749 **** - --- 835,856 ---- (mc-rewrite-for-remailer (car chain) pause) (mc-rewrite-for-mixmaster chain pause))))) + (defun mc-rewrite-for-nym (nym chain &optional pause) + ;; Rewrite the current buffer for nym.alias.net through a + ;; chain of remailers. CHAIN must be in canonical form. + ;; nym is assumed to be the nym's name WITHOUT @nym.alias.net on it. + (let (rest) + (if mc-mixmaster-path + (setq rest (mc-mixmaster-skip chain)) + (setq rest chain)) + (if (null chain) nil + (mc-rewrite-for-nym-internal nym pause) + (mc-rewrite-for-chain + (if (eq rest chain) (cdr rest) rest) pause) + (if (eq rest chain) + (mc-rewrite-for-remailer (car chain) pause) + (mc-rewrite-for-mixmaster chain pause))))) + (defun mc-unparse-chain (chain) ;; Unparse CHAIN into a string suitable for printing. (if (null chain) *************** *** 782,787 **** - --- 889,926 ---- (cdr (assoc chain-name chains)) chains)) (mc-rewrite-for-chain chain pause) + (if chain + (save-excursion + (set-buffer buffer) + (erase-buffer) + (insert "Rewritten for chain `" chain-name "':\n\n" + (mc-unparse-chain chain)) + (message "Done. See %s buffer for details." mc-buffer-name))))) + + ;;}}} + + (defun mc-remailer-encrypt-for-nym (&optional pause) + "Encrypt message for a nym server, to be resent, prompting for chain to use. + + With \\[universal-argument], pause before each encryption." + (interactive "P") + (let ((chains (mc-remailer-make-chains-alist)) + (buffer (get-buffer-create mc-buffer-name)) + chain-name chain nym) + (mc-nuke-field "CC") + (mc-nuke-field "Organization") + (mc-disallow-field "FCC") + (mc-disallow-field "BCC") + (setq chain-name + (completing-read + "Choose a remailer or chain: " chains nil 'strict-match)) + (setq nym + (read-from-minibuffer "Pseudonym: ")) + (setq chain + (mc-remailer-canonicalize-chain + (cdr (assoc chain-name chains)) + chains)) + (mc-rewrite-for-nym nym chain pause) (if chain (save-excursion (set-buffer buffer) - ---------------------------------cut here----------------------------------- - -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jeremey Barrett Senior Software Engineer jeremey(a)veriweb.com VeriWeb Internet Corp. http://www.veriweb.com/ PGP Key fingerprint = 3B 42 1E D4 4B 17 0D 80 DC 59 6F 59 04 C3 83 64 PGP Public Key: http://www.veriweb.com/people/jeremey/pgpkey.txt "less is more." -- Mies van de Rohe. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMunrci/fy+vkqMxNAQHpQQQAkN8wQ+/65qsN4326gFRmEMjcwQH1mj2v /WZGnxyB2ADYlF0AMXfU60NzUO31KZzEbbOu8oX2I0KptXrDGiLYoQ6uerw/W441 1B4uAd2pEztqWwfwyYmLj57meQWJw1IjH7AuF0Mz9NJ7OLEWq+H5CC9w4zwo6u1/ nTrWv396Y6Q= =jpyn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Cypher-Oops!
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was just wondering if the CypherPunks list is now the only list that has an Administrative introduction for list members that could not be posted in full to the list-proper, as it contains a flame against an individual. Toto

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk writes: > > I would like to start a thread to discuss the moderation and rejection > > policy. > > No doubt we all would but such threads may, without recourse to proper > moderation, all be thrown into cypherpunks-flames if Sandy believes > they will be critical of him. (prove me wrong Sandy, send this to the > moderated list). Nope - Sandy tossed Paul's article to cypherpunks-flames, just like he tossed a recent article pointing out that he's lying outright about his moderation policies. > > My perfectly crypto-relevant article regarding possible attacks > > on human relationships with the use of forged mail and anonymous > > remailers, has been tossed out (sorted) into cypherpunks-flames > > mailing list. > > I don`t think I read the article (even though I subscribe to the > unmoderated list), can you forward me a copy. > As I understand it though, from other comentaries, it was junked > because it was in response to a message by Dimitri who, given that it > is Sandy that is moderating the list, is no doubt filtered by > different criteria than anyone else on the list, in my opinion a > censorous and fascist restraint as Dimitri has recently been posting > more crypto relevant material, besides which whatever the content of > his posts they should be open to review before a decision is made on > if they are to be junked or not. Has Paul reversed his previous pro-censorship stand and decided to learn something about crypto from people who actually know some? > > Sandy also states rather plainly that crypto-relevance is not the > > criterion by which he moderates this list. I question this policy. > > Yes Sandy, please enlighten us, what is the criterion you use to > moderate the list if not crypto-relevancy. I suspect an element of > self preservation and protection of the list fuhrer and diktat maker > John Gilmore (who, until the disgraceful incident with Dimitri > commanded some respect on this list). I used to respect Gilmore until this series of incidents (unsubscribing me, turning list moderated). Now I only have disdain for him. > > I would like to hear your opinions as to whether such policies satisfy > > the current readership. > > I don`t think this is the point, John Gilmore is free to appoint > whoever he wants to moderate his list, he is free to censor all > messages which criticise him and his censorship, however, subscribers > to the list should be told they are being censored on these grounds > and not on some facade of "crypto relevancy" or another thin veil > drawn weakly over content based censorship to protect a certain class > of list members. Quite a few people have expressed interest in re-creating an unmoderated cypherpunks list at another site if Gilmore decided to stick to his "moderation experiment". --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Scandinavian Goverments provide PGP to postal customers...
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:29 PM 1/24/97 -0800, Hugh Daniel wrote: > FYI: >>From: jsp(a)betz.biostr.washington.edu [...] >> However, some hardware is required. Because the key is on a >> smartcard, users must have smartcard readers installed on their >> computers, which aren't yet widely available. But Pdr Andler of >> Finnish Hewlett Packard says that later this year, smartcard readers >> will become standard on computers in Scandinavia. [...] Interesting piece of trivia: I recently talked with a fellow from Intel. They are looking to purchase keyboards with smartcard readers built in. They hope to get them at $30/piece from suppliers in Asia. The lot size? 10 million. That's a lot of smartcard readers. Even for Intel. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Re: your mail
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:54 PM 1/24/97 -0800, tekmasta(a)global.california.com wrote: >can anyone help me out with getting pgp working... I just got 2.6.2 >excutable the freeware one and its for dos... I need to get one that works >with eudora or netscape.... please help! You want PGPMail. A free, full strength, beta is available at http://www.pgp.com/ PGPMail offers single click integration with Eudora. I use it myself. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Re: Anyone have info on foreign "ITARS"
by gtaylor＠gil.com.au 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Campbell wrote: >Does anyone have any pointers to info about the import/export >restrictions on encryption products in various countries. I know any >such summary would be very dynamic, but perhaps there's something >out there. The Australian regulations are available at: CUSTOMS (PROHIBITED EXPORTS) REGULATIONS - SCHEDULE 13 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_reg/cer439/sch13.html and: AUSTRALIAN CONTROLS ON THE EXPORT OF DEFENCE AND STRATEGIC GOODS: http://www.adfa.oz.au/DOD/al/iic/excontrl/excohome.htm Crypto software comes under Part 3, Category 5/2 of these regulations. (These documents are in MS Word format) ADFA, for those who are not aware, is the Australian Defence Force Academy, the major tertiary training institute for the defence forces. I have an extract of the key clauses of these regulations if anyone is interested. Briefly, the Australian regulations ban cryptography exports, claiming responsibilities as a party to the Wassenaar Arrangement, although the actual details of the latter regarding crypto seem obscure. However, an export license can be obtained on application to the Defence Ministry. The conditions of such a license are not openly stated, and at least one Australian software company has been refused a license. It would seem that even "public domain" software such as PGP is covered here. Ironically, the international version of PGP is available from the ADFA site at: ftp://ftp.adfa.oz.au/pub/security/pgp263i/ The government attitude to crypto policy generally in Australia is much more relaxed than in the USA. There is a recognition of business and personal need for strong crypto and that a balance needs to be sought between those needs and that of the law enforcement community. Although key escrow has been raised as an issue in some circles, it has not formed part of any government policy as yet. Greg Taylor EFA Crypto Committee

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> writes: > paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk wrote: > > > > John Gilmore is free to appoint > > whoever he wants to moderate his list, he is free to censor all > > messages which criticise him and his censorship, however, subscribers > > to the list should be told they are being censored on these grounds > > and not on some facade of "crypto relevancy" or another thin veil > > drawn weakly over content based censorship to protect a certain class > > of list members. > > It became rather glaringly obvious after moderation was announced > that class structure would be the defining feature of moderation. > Those who felt themselves to be in the 'upper class' made no > bones about it. That's a very insightful obeservation. "Cypher punks" are not opposed to the system. They don't want to change the existing social order. They want to join the upper class and enjoy its privileges (such as privacy and anonymity). They don't want to extend these privileges to the "hoi polloi" (unwashed masses). Jim Bell is a boor, but he had some very interesting ideas that upset the "cypher punk" crowd because he advocates dismantling the system they hope to join one day. This reminds me of a U.S. populist politician from the 1930's whose name I forgot, who advocated expropriating individual wealth above $5M. Why did his disenfranchised supporters want to leave the rich with $5M? Because each one hoped one day to have the $5M. Here's the $64K question: if you were approached by a LEA and offered a huge consulting fee to help break a code to obtain evidence in a criminal case, would you do it? I suspect most "cypher punks" would agree both for the money and for the glory, but no one would ask them because very few people on this list can break codes. :-) [No I would not, irrespective of the fee and the nature of the case.] --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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HELLO
by satan_is_a_hacker＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is ESDES a good program?

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encrypt_1.html
by Lynx_User＠linux.nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reuters New Media [ Yahoo | Write Us | Search | Info ] [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] _________________________________________________________________ Previous Story: Texas Instruments Posts Loss, Stock Soars Next Story: FCC Chief Asks If Policy Should Focus On Internet _________________________________________________________________ Friday January 24 10:08 AM EST US Senator Will Reintroduce Encryption Export Bill WASHINGTON - Sen. Conrad Burns will reintroduce next week his measure to substantially eliminate export restrictions on computer encoding technology, a spokesman for the Senator says. "We are aiming for the 28th (of January) and it will be the same bill as last year," Matt Raymond, spokesman for the Montana Republican, said. President Clinton signed an executive order in November slightly relaxing export controls on encryption technology -- computer programs that use mathematical formulas to scramble information and render it unreadable without a password or software "key." But many in Congress and the computer industry have said the new Clinton policy did not go far enough to lift the Cold War era export limits that classified most encryption programs as munitions. Copyright, Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved _________________________________________________________________ ________________________ ___________ Help _________________________________________________________________ Previous Story: Texas Instruments Posts Loss, Stock Soars Next Story: FCC Chief Asks If Policy Should Focus On Internet _________________________________________________________________ [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] _________________________________________________________________ Reuters Limited Questions or Comments

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Cypher-Oops!
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I was just wondering if the CypherPunks list is now the only list that has an Administrative introduction for list members that could not be posted in full to the list-proper, as it contains a flame against an individual. Toto

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks maiing list
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <199701241411.GAA25271(a)toad.com>, on 01/24/97 at 09:09 AM, Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> said: > I would like to point out, however, that anyone who has had their >posts 'sorted' into the 'flames list' is now a 'known flamer', as >evidenced by the fact that their post has been designated a 'flame' >on a list run by a champion of free speech on the electronic >frontier. Intresting.... Does a single flame make a flamer?? I have in the past been involved in heated arguments on just about every list/newsgroup I have been involved in. :) I think this goes back to the topic of reputation capital. IMHO the occational message that get's droped into the 'flames list' would have little effect on ones reputation. While a complete ban all of ones posting or even a majority of ones posts making it to the 'flames list' could/would have a detrimtal effect. Hmmmm... Actually there could be an intresting side affect of a moderated list to a posters reputation. Lets take the following example: John Doe likes posting rants & flames 90% of the time. The other 10% of the time he posts intelegent messages. Now on an un-moderated list a majority of subscribers would get tierd of his rants, write him off as a kook and kill-file him. His 10% of intelegent posts would be lost in the 90% of noise and his reputation would be adversly effected within the group. Now on a moderated list the 90% of rants & flames would never be seen by the list only the other 10%. His would wind up having a much higher reputation among the group compaired to if all his posts were seen. I am not quite sure how to judge this effect. Should one take into account the kooky behavior of a poster when veiwing his 'non kooky' posts? Does moderation have a detrimental effect to establishing a reputation based system for a group (how would Don Woods reputation faired if his rant's on OTP's & ISP had been filtered out?) > It is obvious that some of the more intuitively intelligent list >members are aware of this, as is indicated by the nervous fear with >which they 'explain why' their post is crypto-relevant. IMHO this is sheepish though I have noticed it before moderation started. If I have somthing to post to the list I see no reason to justify why I am posting it. This post I am making now has zero crypto-relevance and I make no appoligies for it. Do I think it is relevant to the list? Yes otherwise I would not have posted it. Either way no explination for the post is needed. - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii(a)amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info - ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: See the Future; See OS/2. Be the Future; Run OS/2. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMunqw49Co1n+aLhhAQEhUQQAikxVlOQuCQuNq2DoZgIhj85RvfaEOkvO 6QqoecASeunSyvh5gtXH+p6n3kq6i/NLAUwcmPYUtkdpKdPaRk4/OkhTVGNuVEHM eEQroUNNJ02g+42Gz9vEm2ZtWxWC9zAdIbmY/Hnw6SUyW/jgJKWNadd8Nh2HQYxV CXMUpweNbdg= =8pqg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Mailcrypt nym.alias.net support
by Jeremey Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- For those of you who use mailcrypt (Emacs-PGP interface) for email, I have hacked in support for pseudonyms ala nym.alias.net. In fact, the code has nym.alias.net hardcoded for now. I'm gonna add more stuff, but I'm just letting this out as is. This patch affects mailcrypt.el and mc-remail.el. I made these changes to mailcrypt 3.4, so your mileage may vary on other versions. I did this after the C2 party tonight, so typos and bugs are possible. Please email me if bugs are found. "This value is not configureable" does not qualify, I know it's not configureable yet. (BTW there are a couple functions not used, I was doing it one way, then changed my way of thinking, but the code is ok so I left it.) Installing it: o cd to your lisp directory o cat /path/to/the/patch | patch -p0, or something similar (You will need to pgp this message before extracting the patch to get rid of the leading "- " on some lines.) o recompile the .el files, ala: emacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile mc-remail.el emacs -batch -f batch-byte-compile mailcrypt.el Using it: o You _must_ have a remailer chain defined. This does not work with a single remailer (though a chain of length 1 might work). o Compose a message or reply as normal. Once you are done (the message would go out without nyms or remailers or anything if you hit C-c C-c), hit C-c / n. o The first question asks for a remailer chain, it will do completions. o The second question asks for the name of your nym. This is assumed to be @nym.alias.net, DO NOT include @nym.alias.net. If your nym is jimbob(a)nym.alias.net, just answer jimbob. This does not do completions at the moment. Putting your nym in your .emacs file is a bit weird anyway. o You will be asked for a signature for your nym's private key. o The message will be rewritten to send(a)nym.alias.net and then to the remailer chain you chose. o Send it. Hack the code at will, if you make significant enhancements, please email patches to me. Of course there is no warranty of any sort, if it blows up your machine you're out a machine. I will put this on my web page (http://www.veriweb.com/people/jeremey) for those that prefer that. Ok, here's the patch: - ---------------------------------cut here----------------------------------- *** mailcrypt.el Tue Oct 10 12:33:45 1995 - --- /usr/home/jeremey/PGP/mailcrypt-3.4/mailcrypt.el Sat Jan 25 02:45:27 1997 *************** *** 51,56 **** - --- 51,57 ---- (autoload 'mc-sign "mc-toplev" nil t) (autoload 'mc-insert-public-key "mc-toplev" nil t) (autoload 'mc-remailer-encrypt-for-chain "mc-remail" nil t) + (autoload 'mc-remailer-encrypt-for-nym "mc-remail" nil t) (autoload 'mc-remailer-insert-response-block "mc-remail" nil t) (autoload 'mc-remailer-insert-pseudonym "mc-remail" nil t) *************** *** 101,107 **** (define-key mc-write-mode-map "\C-c/b" 'mc-remailer-insert-response-block) (define-key mc-write-mode-map "\C-c/p" ! 'mc-remailer-insert-pseudonym))) (easy-menu-define mc-read-mode-menu (if mc-xemacs-p nil (list mc-read-mode-map)) - --- 102,110 ---- (define-key mc-write-mode-map "\C-c/b" 'mc-remailer-insert-response-block) (define-key mc-write-mode-map "\C-c/p" ! 'mc-remailer-insert-pseudonym) ! (define-key mc-write-mode-map "\C-c/n" ! 'mc-remailer-encrypt-for-nym))) (easy-menu-define mc-read-mode-menu (if mc-xemacs-p nil (list mc-read-mode-map)) *** mc-remail.el Wed Oct 4 15:45:56 1995 - --- /usr/home/jeremey/PGP/mailcrypt-3.4/mc-remail.el Sat Jan 25 02:44:16 1997 *************** *** 378,383 **** - --- 378,401 ---- (re-search-forward "^$" nil 'move) (cons (copy-marker start) (copy-marker (point))))))) + (defun mc-find-nym-from-header (name subject &optional insert) + ;; Find the header with a "::" immediately after the + ;; mail-header-separator. Return region enclosing header. Optional + ;; arg INSERT means insert the header if it does not exist already. + (save-excursion + (goto-char (point-min)) + (re-search-forward + (concat "^" (regexp-quote mail-header-separator) "\n")) + (if (or (and (looking-at "From") (forward-line 1)) + (and insert + (progn + (insert-before-markers + (concat "From: " name "\nTo: \nSubject:" subject "\n\n")) + (forward-line -1)))) + (let ((start (point))) + (re-search-forward "^$" nil 'move) + (cons (copy-marker start) (copy-marker (point))))))) + (defun mc-find-hash-header (&optional insert) (save-excursion (goto-char (point-min)) *************** *** 400,411 **** - --- 418,442 ---- (defsubst mc-replace-main-field (field replacement) (mc-replace-field field replacement (mc-find-main-header t))) + (defsubst mc-nuke-main-field (field) + (mc-nuke-field field (mc-find-main-header t))) + (defsubst mc-replace-hash-field (field replacement) (mc-replace-field field replacement (mc-find-hash-header t))) (defsubst mc-replace-colon-field (field replacement) (mc-replace-field field replacement (mc-find-colon-header t))) + (defsubst mc-insert-nym-header (replacement) + (mc-find-nym-from-header replacement + (cdr (car (mc-get-fields "Subject" + (mc-find-main-header)))) t) + (mc-replace-main-field "To" "send(a)nym.alias.net") + (mc-nuke-main-field "Cc") + (mc-nuke-main-field "Organization") + (mc-nuke-main-field "Subject") + (mc-nuke-main-field "From")) + (defun mc-recipient-is-remailerp () (let ((to (mc-get-fields "To" (mc-find-main-header)))) (and to *************** *** 516,521 **** - --- 547,568 ---- (setq pseudonym (concat pseudonym " <x(a)x.x>"))) (mc-replace-colon-field "From" pseudonym))) + (defun mc-remailer-insert-nym-nym () + "Insert pseudonym as a From field in the hash-mark header. + + See the documentation for the variable `mc-remailer-pseudonyms' for + more information." + (interactive) + (let ((completion-ignore-case t) + pseudonym) + (setq pseudonym + (cond ((null mc-remailer-pseudonyms) + (read-from-minibuffer "Pseudonym: ")) + (t + (completing-read "Pseudonym: " + (mapcar 'list mc-remailer-pseudonyms))))) + (mc-insert-nym-header pseudonym))) + ;;}}} ;;{{{ Mixmaster support (defvar mc-mixmaster-path nil *************** *** 730,735 **** - --- 777,826 ---- (error "Unable to encrypt message to %s" (mc-remailer-userid remailer))))) + (defun mc-rewrite-for-nym-internal (nym &optional pause) + ;; Rewrite the current mail buffer for nym.alias.net. This + ;; includes pulling down the To: and Subject: headers, changing + ;; the To: header, and encrypting to send(a)nym.alias.net and signing + ;; with the nym's key. This should be used only as part of + ;; mc-rewrite-for-nym since it will subsequently chain the message + ;; through a set of remailers. + (let ((addr "send(a)nym.alias.net") + (main-header (mc-find-main-header))) + + ;; Move "Subject" lines down. + (goto-char (cdr main-header)) + (forward-line 1) + (mapcar + (function (lambda (f) (insert (car f) ":" (cdr f)))) + (mc-get-fields "Subject" main-header t)) + (insert "\n") + + ;; Move "To" lines down. + (goto-char (cdr main-header)) + (forward-line 1) + (mapcar + (function (lambda (f) (insert (car f) ":" (cdr f)))) + (mc-get-fields "To" main-header t)) + + ;; Insert "From" for nym.alias.net + (goto-char (cdr main-header)) + (forward-line 1) + (insert (concat "From: " nym "\n")) + + (goto-char (car main-header)) + (insert "To: send(a)nym.alias.net\n") + + (if pause + (let ((cursor-in-echo-area t)) + (message "SPC to encrypt for %s : " addr) + (read-char-exclusive))) + (setq main-header (mc-find-main-header)) + (goto-char (cdr main-header)) + (forward-line 1) + (let ((mc-encrypt-for-me nil)) + (mc-encrypt-message "send(a)nym.alias.net" nil (point) nil + (concat nym "@nym.alias.net") t)))) + (defun mc-rewrite-for-chain (chain &optional pause) ;; Rewrite the current buffer for a chain of remailers. ;; CHAIN must be in canonical form. *************** *** 744,749 **** - --- 835,856 ---- (mc-rewrite-for-remailer (car chain) pause) (mc-rewrite-for-mixmaster chain pause))))) + (defun mc-rewrite-for-nym (nym chain &optional pause) + ;; Rewrite the current buffer for nym.alias.net through a + ;; chain of remailers. CHAIN must be in canonical form. + ;; nym is assumed to be the nym's name WITHOUT @nym.alias.net on it. + (let (rest) + (if mc-mixmaster-path + (setq rest (mc-mixmaster-skip chain)) + (setq rest chain)) + (if (null chain) nil + (mc-rewrite-for-nym-internal nym pause) + (mc-rewrite-for-chain + (if (eq rest chain) (cdr rest) rest) pause) + (if (eq rest chain) + (mc-rewrite-for-remailer (car chain) pause) + (mc-rewrite-for-mixmaster chain pause))))) + (defun mc-unparse-chain (chain) ;; Unparse CHAIN into a string suitable for printing. (if (null chain) *************** *** 782,787 **** - --- 889,926 ---- (cdr (assoc chain-name chains)) chains)) (mc-rewrite-for-chain chain pause) + (if chain + (save-excursion + (set-buffer buffer) + (erase-buffer) + (insert "Rewritten for chain `" chain-name "':\n\n" + (mc-unparse-chain chain)) + (message "Done. See %s buffer for details." mc-buffer-name))))) + + ;;}}} + + (defun mc-remailer-encrypt-for-nym (&optional pause) + "Encrypt message for a nym server, to be resent, prompting for chain to use. + + With \\[universal-argument], pause before each encryption." + (interactive "P") + (let ((chains (mc-remailer-make-chains-alist)) + (buffer (get-buffer-create mc-buffer-name)) + chain-name chain nym) + (mc-nuke-field "CC") + (mc-nuke-field "Organization") + (mc-disallow-field "FCC") + (mc-disallow-field "BCC") + (setq chain-name + (completing-read + "Choose a remailer or chain: " chains nil 'strict-match)) + (setq nym + (read-from-minibuffer "Pseudonym: ")) + (setq chain + (mc-remailer-canonicalize-chain + (cdr (assoc chain-name chains)) + chains)) + (mc-rewrite-for-nym nym chain pause) (if chain (save-excursion (set-buffer buffer) - ---------------------------------cut here----------------------------------- - -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jeremey Barrett Senior Software Engineer jeremey(a)veriweb.com VeriWeb Internet Corp. http://www.veriweb.com/ PGP Key fingerprint = 3B 42 1E D4 4B 17 0D 80 DC 59 6F 59 04 C3 83 64 PGP Public Key: http://www.veriweb.com/people/jeremey/pgpkey.txt "less is more." -- Mies van de Rohe. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMunrci/fy+vkqMxNAQHpQQQAkN8wQ+/65qsN4326gFRmEMjcwQH1mj2v /WZGnxyB2ADYlF0AMXfU60NzUO31KZzEbbOu8oX2I0KptXrDGiLYoQ6uerw/W441 1B4uAd2pEztqWwfwyYmLj57meQWJw1IjH7AuF0Mz9NJ7OLEWq+H5CC9w4zwo6u1/ nTrWv396Y6Q= =jpyn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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HELLO
by Lou Zer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is ESDES a good program?

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Re: [No Subject:]
by Lou Zer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 25 Jan 1997 00:30:57 -0800 Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> writes: >Hi! It's useful to include a subject line in email so people >can decide whether to read it and have more context for it, >though calling yourself "fuck you" will probably deter a few people. >There are lots of anarchists on the net; you can run into some good >discussions on Usenet on several newsgroups with "anarchy" or >"anarchism" >in the titles. Rec.caves has good underground material...... You missed the hole point. You read that BECAUSE their was no header, if it was ANARCHY you would have just deleted it.

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Re: your mail
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:54 PM 1/24/97 -0800, tekmasta(a)global.california.com wrote: >can anyone help me out with getting pgp working... I just got 2.6.2 >excutable the freeware one and its for dos... I need to get one that works >with eudora or netscape.... please help! You want PGPMail. A free, full strength, beta is available at http://www.pgp.com/ PGPMail offers single click integration with Eudora. I use it myself. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk wrote: > > John Gilmore is free to appoint > whoever he wants to moderate his list, he is free to censor all > messages which criticise him and his censorship, however, subscribers > to the list should be told they are being censored on these grounds > and not on some facade of "crypto relevancy" or another thin veil > drawn weakly over content based censorship to protect a certain class > of list members. It became rather glaringly obvious after moderation was announced that class structure would be the defining feature of moderation. Those who felt themselves to be in the 'upper class' made no bones about it. Toto

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Re: testing email from airport kiosk
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> writes: > An update on the SF airport kiosk email machines: ... > It does support anonymous email, in that you can type in > any email address you want, and it doesn't seem to mind. > In addition to limited web, telnet, and outgoing email, > it lets you retrieve email with POP3. Doesn't seem to be a way > to get it to run a program, though :-) My immediate guess would be that everyone using it gets videotaped, then all activity is logged, and that the LEAs are waiting for some idiot to use it to retrieve kiddie porn and/or terrorist bobm-making instructions. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Scandinavian Goverments provide PGP to postal customers...
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:29 PM 1/24/97 -0800, Hugh Daniel wrote: > FYI: >>From: jsp(a)betz.biostr.washington.edu [...] >> However, some hardware is required. Because the key is on a >> smartcard, users must have smartcard readers installed on their >> computers, which aren't yet widely available. But Pdr Andler of >> Finnish Hewlett Packard says that later this year, smartcard readers >> will become standard on computers in Scandinavia. [...] Interesting piece of trivia: I recently talked with a fellow from Intel. They are looking to purchase keyboards with smartcard readers built in. They hope to get them at $30/piece from suppliers in Asia. The lot size? 10 million. That's a lot of smartcard readers. Even for Intel. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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encrypt_1.html
by Lynx_User＠linux.nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reuters New Media [ Yahoo | Write Us | Search | Info ] [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] _________________________________________________________________ Previous Story: Texas Instruments Posts Loss, Stock Soars Next Story: FCC Chief Asks If Policy Should Focus On Internet _________________________________________________________________ Friday January 24 10:08 AM EST US Senator Will Reintroduce Encryption Export Bill WASHINGTON - Sen. Conrad Burns will reintroduce next week his measure to substantially eliminate export restrictions on computer encoding technology, a spokesman for the Senator says. "We are aiming for the 28th (of January) and it will be the same bill as last year," Matt Raymond, spokesman for the Montana Republican, said. President Clinton signed an executive order in November slightly relaxing export controls on encryption technology -- computer programs that use mathematical formulas to scramble information and render it unreadable without a password or software "key." But many in Congress and the computer industry have said the new Clinton policy did not go far enough to lift the Cold War era export limits that classified most encryption programs as munitions. Copyright, Reuters Ltd. All rights reserved _________________________________________________________________ ________________________ ___________ Help _________________________________________________________________ Previous Story: Texas Instruments Posts Loss, Stock Soars Next Story: FCC Chief Asks If Policy Should Focus On Internet _________________________________________________________________ [ Index | News | World | Biz | Tech | Politic | Sport | Scoreboard | Entertain | Health ] _________________________________________________________________ Reuters Limited Questions or Comments

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Re: Anyone have info on foreign "ITARS"
by Greg Taylor 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Campbell wrote: >Does anyone have any pointers to info about the import/export >restrictions on encryption products in various countries. I know any >such summary would be very dynamic, but perhaps there's something >out there. The Australian regulations are available at: CUSTOMS (PROHIBITED EXPORTS) REGULATIONS - SCHEDULE 13 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_reg/cer439/sch13.html and: AUSTRALIAN CONTROLS ON THE EXPORT OF DEFENCE AND STRATEGIC GOODS: http://www.adfa.oz.au/DOD/al/iic/excontrl/excohome.htm Crypto software comes under Part 3, Category 5/2 of these regulations. (These documents are in MS Word format) ADFA, for those who are not aware, is the Australian Defence Force Academy, the major tertiary training institute for the defence forces. I have an extract of the key clauses of these regulations if anyone is interested. Briefly, the Australian regulations ban cryptography exports, claiming responsibilities as a party to the Wassenaar Arrangement, although the actual details of the latter regarding crypto seem obscure. However, an export license can be obtained on application to the Defence Ministry. The conditions of such a license are not openly stated, and at least one Australian software company has been refused a license. It would seem that even "public domain" software such as PGP is covered here. Ironically, the international version of PGP is available from the ADFA site at: ftp://ftp.adfa.oz.au/pub/security/pgp263i/ The government attitude to crypto policy generally in Australia is much more relaxed than in the USA. There is a recognition of business and personal need for strong crypto and that a balance needs to be sought between those needs and that of the law enforcement community. Although key escrow has been raised as an issue in some circles, it has not formed part of any government policy as yet. Greg Taylor EFA Crypto Committee

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TEST--FLAMES
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, We are still working out the bugs. This message is SUPPOSED to go only to the unedited list and the flames list. If it shows up on the moderated list, we have a bug. I'd like to have a couple of you (Bill Stewart? Lucky Green?) let me know so we can trace down the problem and get it corrected. Thanks, S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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TEST--MODERATED
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, We are still working out the bugs. This message is SUPPOSED to go only to the unedited list and the moderated list. If it shows up on the flames list, we have a bug. I'd like to have a couple of you (Toto? Dale Thorn?) let me know so we can trace down the problem and get it corrected. Thanks, S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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TEST--MODERATED
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, We are still working out the bugs. This message is SUPPOSED to go only to the unedited list and the moderated list. If it shows up on the flames list, we have a bug. I'd like to have a couple of you (Toto? Dale Thorn?) let me know so we can trace down the problem and get it corrected. Thanks, S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Encrypting ZIP disks
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Kocher announced that he has cracked it, and can recover data quickly. He is not publishing details of the break. Adam Jeremiah A Blatz wrote: -- Start of PGP signed section. | "David E. Smith" <dsmith(a)prairienet.org> writes: | > 7. Secure sensitive files. | > To keep sensitive or confidential information safe, store it | > on a Zip disk and use your Zip Tools software to assign a | > password that must be used in order to read from or write to | > the disk. At work, you can protect sensitive information | > such as personnel files, company directories, and product | > plans and designs. At home, you can secure personal | > information such as tax records, budgets, and computerized | > checkbooks. | | FWIW (not much), Iomega claims that it can't recover the data on a | password-protected disk. However, they do export those things, so I | doubt it's strong. | | Jer | | "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew | why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole -- End of PGP signed section. -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume

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