December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

booklet-bus-97
by health711＠cyberpromo.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Cash - Covenience and privacy over the threat of being mugged
by varange＠crl.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> It's that wonderful season again, when all the assholes > are out in force, and people feel obligated to purchase > merchandise to give to each other. For various reasons, > I don't believe in credit cards, and yet, trying to pay for > something by personal check at the local Hecht's, they either > *require* a credit card, or go through the Nazi check-warranty > company Equifax. Why not just carry sufficient cash for your purchasing needs? Irrational fear of muggers I guess is the primary reason not to carry around, say, $500.00 cash. But if you were mugged for that much, wouldn't you feel worse about the mugging itself than the actual loss of the money? I doubt the mere carrying of greater amounts of cash makes someone more likely to be mugged than someone carrying nothing. So it boils down to whether you think it's better to use the inconvenience and invasion of privacy of credit cards and/or checks and getting them stolen over convenience and privacy of cash and getting an anonymous $500.00 cash stolen. (You also can *sign* your cash to help trace thefts. I used to do this when hanging around disreputable charactors. Hell, drug dealers will accept your money if you wrote down his identification and "Crack Bill of Sale" in magic marker on every bill.) > Is it legal to require credit cards? Yes. BTW, my uncle was mugged at Provo Park for thirty five cents and my front windshield of my car was smashed in for the fifty cents in open view between the passenger seats. You know those ancient mono AM only radios that are almost always broken down in old cars? Yep, had a window smashed and the worthless radio stolen. In another vehicle that was even shittier looking I never locked the doors and nothing was ever stolen; the radio and cassette player actually worked! Merry bloody crassmus. -- Cheers!

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RE: [NOT NOISE] Microsoft Crypto Service Provider API
by Blake Coverett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Not quite. The API comes with a program SIGN.EXE that will create a > "debugging signature" for your CSP, and a new ADVAPI32.DLL, described as > a "Modified advapi32.dll to load providers that are signed with > sign.exe." So the patch point is a bit more accessable than inside the > kernel. Maybe the "Modified advapi32.dll" should find its way offshore? Even better than exporting the hacked advapi32.dll, compare the it with the original one. I'd bet good money that the only difference is the contents of the RC_DATA/#102 resource attached to the image. (It's useful to note that the advapi32.dll from versions of NT before CryptoAPI doesn't have any RC_DATA resources.) And to think MS was good enough to provide an UpdateResource API that I haven't yet had a good reason to use. > Interestingly enough, CSP signatures are held in the registry instead of > the binary, necessitating some install procedure for a given CSP. Not > to start rumors, but NT 4.0 does use threads to watch some registry > entries that control the version (workstation/server). Not much of a > stretch to imagine a thread that tracks (reports?) changes to Nope, a little experimentation shows you can change those entries while the system is running to your hearts contents. Try temporarily renaming the signature key of the base provider. regards, -Blake

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Re: Legality of requiring credit cards? (fwd)
by Peter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 08:51 PM 12/23/96 -0500, you wrote: > Equifax does business by tracking reputations, as do all credit > reporting companies. That's how a free market handles bad checks. Even worse is an outfit called Telecheck. All they do is see if you have a listed telephone number. Since I do not give out my telephone number, and it is unlisted, an autobody shop refused to accept my check, and I ended up having to use a credit card. The idiot teller refused to call the bank to check my balance. What does a listed telephone number have to do with ability to pay?

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Vandalism in New York City
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Xmas day vandals overturned 75 headstones in the Calvary Cemetry in Long Island City, near the residence of Earthweb's associate network administator Ray "Arsenic" Arachelian. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Reflections on the Bernstein ruling
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:57 PM 12/20/96 -0800, Greg Broiles wrote: > >(Please keep in mind that I'm not a lawyer yet, and that my comments are >intended only as the reflections of an amateur and are intended as >discussion fodder, not legal advice.) > >Folks seem to be very excited about Judge Patel's ruling in the Bernstein >case - and with good reason. It was, for example, a first-page >above-the-fold item in both of the Bay Area's legal newspapers today. >Unfortunately, most of the media reports have done a poor job of >interpreting the ruling, and it's easy to draw bad conclusions from erratic >news reports about the case. The decision is available online ><http://www.eff.org/pub/Legal/Cases/Bernstein_v_DoS/Legal/961206.decision> >thanks to the folks at EFF. I thought list members might appreciate a >summary of the decision and its potential effects. Please comment on my (layman's) proposal that no "mens rea" ("guilty mind") can be attributed to a person who is relying on a not-yet-overturned judicial decision. In other words, if a person has a genuine belief that what he's doing has been upheld by the Patel ruling, he cannot be claimed to have had "mens rea." (I am presuming, here, that before he does anything, he "clears it" with a lawyer who assures him that what he's planning is at least covered in the Patel decision as being okay. I understand, of course, that "mens rea" may be irrelevant in CIVIL REGULATORY issues, but not in CRIMINAL ones.) >1. What the ruling said >In brief, Judge Patel ruled that Category XIII(b) (the category which >refers to cryptographic equipment/software) is unconstitutional because it >functions as a prior restraint upon speech without providing important >procedural safeguards which are required when a prior restraint scheme is >put into place. She ruled that the "technical data" provision of the ITAR >is also unconstitutional when it refers to technical data about Category >XIII(b) items because of the lack of procedural safeguards. > >Mopping up other points raised by the suit, Judge Patel ruled that the term >"defense article" as defined in 22 CFR 120.6 should be read to elide the >phrase "or technical data"; and that when interpreted that way, the terms >"defense article", "defense service", and "technical data" are not >unconstitutionally vague. She also ruled that the term "export" is not >unconstitutionally vague, and writes (in 'dicta', which is legalese for >"offhand comment", e.g., without precedential value but interesting as a >hint re what's going on in the judge's mind) that placing software on an >"Internet site" which can be accessed from a foreign country is an export >for ITAR purposes. What about leaving a floppy on a sidewalk in Des Moines, Iowa, which might be picked up by a wandering foreign tourist who happened nearby? Sheesh, these judges are real idiots, even when they accidently are coming to (mostly) the right conclusion. However, if being "on the Internet" is automatically presumed to be an export, why can't we program using remote-control editors which might, someday, be available on the Internet? (maybe they already are; somewhat analogous to the old timesharing computers of yore. If the underlying files were kept overseas, modified by specific editing commands sent to a remote system, presumably Patel's dicta would suggest that those files were never "exported" per se. They were formed and kept overseas, INTENTIONALLY, to avoid the later necessity of exporting them had they been kept in the US.) This would be an modifed and automated version of the way versions of PGP later than 1.0 were supposed to have been developed: Actual coding was done overseas, based on suggestions and comments from other countries. (including, presumably, the US.) Yes, realize that pessimism overtakes me here. "The system" never wants to admit a contradiction. I would argue, however, that whereever the system wishes to draw the line and call everything outside the line "an export," that decision should be considered binding on the government even when such a conclusion leads to unexpected and undesireable consequences. (for the government, at least...) >She also ruled that the "fundamental research in science and engineering" >(120.11(8)) and "general scientific, mathematical, or engineering >principles" (120.10(5)) exceptions to the definition of "technical data" >are void because they are too vague. As far as I can tell, they are thus no >longer available to potential ITAR defendants. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that they are no longer considered precisely defined exceptions, NOT that the exceptions no longer exist? It seems to me that if the "burden of non-ambiguity" falls on those writing the regulations, failure to eliminate ambiguity would have to be resolved in favor of tolerating actions that fall into the grey area. For example, if a law was passed that said, "pornographic writing is illegal," and the SC later determined that "pornographic" was ambiguously defined, what they WOULDN'T do is to make ALL writing illegal! (which would, obviously, be an over-broad restriction, in an of itself.) Otherwise, what would on the surface appear to be a overturning of a law would actually be a _broadening_ of it. >It's also unclear that Judge Patel's ruling is enough to make export of >crypto source legal by people/organizations located even in the Northern >District of CA. Venue is proper, in an ITAR case, in any jurisdiction which >the defense articles have moved through. (18 USC 3237(a); _US v. Durrani_ >659 F.Supp 1177, 1182 (D. Conn, 1987); an easy analogy is to the _US v. >Thomas_ "Amateur Action" case, where Tennessee venue was proper for >prosecution of California defendants who sent porn into Tennessee.) So it's >at least arguable that the feds could simply bring an ITAR prosecution in >another district, if exported crypto flowed through that district. But again, deal with the mens rea issue. If Patel said, "It's okay to export this software because the regulation is invalid," and you do so relying on this ruling, wouldn't any subsequent (criminal) prosecution both have to prove you did it, and ALSO prove that you were being unreasonable in relying on the ruling? (Are rulings of illegality somehow more "reasonable" than rulings of legality?) I'm not suggesting that her decision can't be overturned in the future; I'm suggesting that until it is overturned, each member the public is entitled to act in reliance on it, perhaps at least the ones in her jurisdiction. >So while the ruling has considerable historical, cultural, and symbolic >significance, it's dangerous to assume that it means that export >restrictions on crypto are dead. However, wouldn't it be a good idea to take advantage of what is at least a temporary decision? If I were a large corporation, having just developed an excellent design for a crypto telephone, I might want to export it NOW, which is in effect taking advantage of a temporary loosening of restrictions. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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RE: [NOT NOISE] Microsoft Crypto Service Provider API
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 25 Dec 1996 23:17:53 -0500, Blake Coverett wrote: >And to think MS was good enough to provide an UpdateResource >API that I haven't yet had a good reason to use. Right thoughtful of them, wasn't it..? <g> >> Interestingly enough, CSP signatures are held in the registry instead of >> the binary, necessitating some install procedure for a given CSP. Not >> to start rumors, but NT 4.0 does use threads to watch some registry >> entries that control the version (workstation/server). Not much of a >> stretch to imagine a thread that tracks (reports?) changes to > >Nope, a little experimentation shows you can change those entries >while the system is running to your hearts contents. Try temporarily >renaming the signature key of the base provider. Now, yes. However I wonder how quickly a service pack would be released to extend the monitor garbage... # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # <cadams(a)acucobol.com> | send mail with subject "send PGPKEY" "That's our advantage at Microsoft; we set the standards and we can change them." --- Karen Hargrove, Microsoft (quoted in the Feb 1993 Unix Review editorial)

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Re: Legality of requiring credit cards?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:20 AM 12/25/96 -0800, Eric Murray wrote: >Brian A. LaMacchia writes: >> >> At 09:35 PM 12/24/96 -0800, jim bell wrote: >> >Bzzt, wrong answer! By definition, if the report was filed as a >> consequence of >the transaction, then the transaction was reported IN FACT >> and the person didn't >evade it! (whether he wanted to evade it is, of >> course, pure speculation on your >part. It is, obviously, questionable >> whether the government can make a person's >mere _desires_ criminal.) >> >> Please, Jim, *go read the law*. Do it now, before you even think about >> replying to this message, else you'll say something else stupid and >> irrelevant. Look, I'll even give you the complete, specific URL for the >> section of the U.S. Code in question; all you have to do is cut-and-paste >> it into your favorite Web browser: >> >> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31/5324.html > >It appears that Jim's 100% wrong- they omit the 'Suspicious >Transaction' report in the list of reports that the gambler was >busted for trying to avoid: Well, I agree that I was "shooting from the hip" on my statement that the government doesn't prohibit informing the victim (and yes, such people are indeed properly called "victims") that a report was made (see below). Imagine that, Jim Bell OVERestimating the ethics of the government! That'll teach me a lesson. > > >Section 5324: > >(a) Domestic Coin and Currency Transactions. - No person shall for the >purpose of evading the reporting requirements of section 5313(a), > section 5325, or the regulations issued thereunder or section 5325 > or regulations prescribed under such section 5325 (FOOTNOTE 1) > with respect to such transaction - > > (FOOTNOTE 1) So in original. See 1992 Amendment note below. > (1) cause or attempt to cause a domestic financial institution > to fail to file a report required under section 5313(a), > section 5325, or the regulations issued thereunder or > section 5325 or regulations prescribed under such section > 5325; (FOOTNOTE 1) > (2) cause or attempt to cause a domestic financial > institution to file a report required under section 5313(a), > section 5325, or the regulations issued thereunder or > section 5325 or regulations prescribed under such section > 5325 (FOOTNOTE 1) that contains a material omission or > misstatement of fact; or > (3) structure or assist in > structuring, or attempt to structure or assist in > structuring, any transaction with one or more domestic > financial institutions. Notice that they don't define what would constitute an "attempt to cause a domestic financial institution to fail to file a report..." Since from the story told, it is obvious that there is no hard-and-fast rule on reporting, it should be equally obvious that there is no sure-fire way to prevent a report. As such, equally so, there is no object way to tell (other than, say, a direct statement by somebody) that a person's actions were intended to avoid a report. >Section 5313 is the 'normal' reporting section, Section 5318(g) >is "suspicious" transactions (note that it wasn't listed in 5324 above): > >(g) Reporting of Suspicious Transactions. - > (1) In general. - The Secretary may require any financial > institution, and any director, officer, employee, or agent > of any financial institution, to report any suspicious > transaction relevant to a possible violation of law or > regulation. > > (2) Notification prohibited. - A financial > institution, and a director, officer, employee, or agent of > any financial institution, who voluntarily reports a > suspicious transaction, or that reports a suspicious > transaction pursuant to this section or any other authority, > may not notify any person involved in the transaction that > the transaction has been reported. > > >This is really scary to someone like me who doesn't often read >laws. They're required to report "suspicious" transactions >(with the definition of "suspicious" left completely wide open) >and they're not allowed to tell you that you have been reported. >This sounds like police-state tactics, not something that would >happen in a free and open society. Given that the 1st amendment to the US Constitution supposedly is intended to guarantee freedom of speech, any prior restraint on speech must be presumed to be unconstitutional unless proved to be constitutional. Since under the circumstances described there is no known crime or ongoing investigation, such a prohibition on speech doesn't even rise to the level of hypothetical "obstruction of justice" which is occasionally brought up as a phony justification for such bans. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Legality of requiring credit cards?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:31 AM 12/26/96 -0500, Brian Davis wrote: >On Tue, 24 Dec 1996, jim bell wrote: >> Again, he clearly DID NOT "evade the reporting requirement." Brian Davis >> admitted this. (Whether he ever intended to do this is sheer speculation on >> the part of anyone else. We'll never know; as Davis pointed out, the IRS >> screwed up.) Even if the standard of evidence was as low as "preponderance >> of evidence" (which it, of course, is not in a criminal case) he SHOULD have >> won. By waiting until the return was filed and the tax was paid, the IRS >> was allowing him to resolve whatever ambiguity remained. > >You misunderstand what the statute intends. The violation is for >attempting to evade *the bank's* requirement to report certain >transactions (i.e. >$10K). He structured the transaction in an effort to >keep the bank from complying with the law. You just admitted that the bank was ready, willing, and able to report the tranactions without regard to whether they fit within some specific, fixed standard. That being the case, and presuming somebody was aware enough of the practices to realize this (which the lawyer presumably was), then there's no evidence that doing what the lawyer did would "keep the bank from complying with the law." (How, exactly, was the lawyer to know whether or not any particular action would actually achieve the result you claimed he wanted?) >> Actually, if there were any justice, he should have been able to sue the >> bank for reporting him and NOT INFORMING HIM of that fact. (I presume the >> law requires the bank to report suspicious transactions. I also presume >> that the law _doesn't_ prohibit the bank from telling the customer that it >> will have to report that transaction.) Apparently, I presumed wrong. The thugs are even more thuggish than I had imagined. Whether or not any such prohibition is constitutional is another issue, however. The fact that anybody would attempt to write such a restriction into law says a lot about them, however! >>The bank, presumably being experts >> in the matter, recognizes that lay individuals can't be expected to be experts >> in specialized areas, and should be considered obligated to warn customers >> away from suspicious-looking transactions. I'm sure the REAL LAWYERS (tm) >> on this list will be able to cite examples of where experts of all kinds >> were sued by non-experts for failing to warn them of unexpected dangers that >> could have been averted had the appropriate advice been given promptly. >> >So you want the bank to be your nanny? I would argue that if the bank can be forced to help the government enforce the law, the bank should also become liable for damage done as a consequence of complying with such requirements. While it's a different area, within the last few years a decision was made (SC?) that companies which had made Agent Orange for the US Government during Vietnam can be held liable (without recourse against the government, apparently) for the damages caused ex-servicemen for selling dioxin-tained Agent Orange to the government, but manufactured totally according to government specifications. (and used only outside the US, under government direction, by government agents, in an entirely different legal jurisdiction, to boot!) Seemingly, doing something at the behest of government does not immunize one. > The guy is a lawyer and had >previously been involved in transactions in which such reports had been >filed. What is your explanation for the three 3 $9k check request? I have none. But then again, I don't have to. Unless "guilty until proven innocent" has been adopted as a standard of proof in American courts. Do you know something we don't? BTW, gambling pools like this are supposed to be illegal, aren't they? Isn't it odd when government seems to stop enforcing laws unless it's profitable to do so? Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: Elliptic curves
by mixmaster＠remail.obscura.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[unt] May styles his facial hair to look more like pubic hair. o o --/-- <~\ Tim C[unt] May __\ _/\ \ /

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Distributed data havens?
by some days weren't there at all 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is anything new on the distributed data haven front? Many apologies if I'm retreading scorched earth, but I've been out of touch with the world for the past, oh, twelve weeks. In particular, it would be interesting to know if * there are any lists currently extant relating to datahavens (I've changed e-mail addresses and can't recall the subscription address for dh-l) * anyone has created working or in-progress code to play with. Doesn't have to be "distributed", supported, or documented particularly well. * there are archives of relevant papers or talks avaliable. I've found a few archives for cryptography and stego, but nothing specific just yet (unless you count the discussions of anon remailers). Anyone still interested? --------------------- "Deities do not fall ten floors to the basement" - Willis/PKD pandemic(a)hotmail.com please contact for PGP public key. http://www.skylink.net/~bigdaddy

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A Postcard!
by FiFtHnAiL.c0m＠strydr.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

======================================================== You have a postcard from FiFtHnAiL.c0m. (fifthnail(a)hotmail.com To retrieve this postcard point your web browser at http://postcards.stryder.com Your password is LIJKBCRT and must be typed in exactly Your postcard will be reserved for you for about two weeks Sincerely, the folks at Stryder Communications, Inc.

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re: Papers Galore
by Kenneth J. Hawley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From: bart(a)netcom.com (Harry Bartholomew) >Subject: Papers Galore, address correction >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Date: Tue, 24 Dec 1996 01:58:31 -0800 (PST) >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Forwarded message: > >> Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 15:16:39 -0500 >> To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >> From: John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com> >> Subject: Papers Galore >> >> The NSA-hosted National Information Systems Security >> Conference, held in October, 1996, has made a wide >> range of papers available (in PDF format), and listed in: >> >> http://csrc.nist.gov/nissc/1996/papers/NISSC/toc.pdf (110kb) >> ^^^^^ > > should be NISSC96 Actually the correct URL is: http://csrc.nist.gov/nissc/1996/papers/NISSC96/ followed by: toc.pdf and many others. The URL will give you an FTP-style file list. -- Kenneth J. Hawley (616)372-5774 Principal khawley(a)silenus.com Silenus Group, Inc. Detroit - Atlanta - Kalamazoo

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[Fwd: Returned mail: User unknown]
by Carl Johnson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Error Condition Re: Invalid request
by listproc＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

=============== Mail Daemon Command Error =============== The line that caused the error was: >UNSUBSCRIBE SHARKS CYPHERPUNKS(a)TOAD.COM: You are not subscribed to sharks(a)plaidworks.com ==================== For more help, send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com> or browse <http://www.plaidworks.com/ListAdmin/> to use our new World Wide Web interface. ==================== Any list commands after the point of error are ignored. If you put a 'signature' on your email, that will cause an error. This can be ignored if you received confirmation of your other commands. ========== Mail Daemon Command Summary ========== The syntax for the most common commands is: (if you aren't sure, get help from the above help sources) SUBSCRIBE listname your name goes here UNSUBSCRIBE listname To turn on DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL DIGEST To turn off DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL ACK ========== If you need more help ========== If you can't make it work, send e-mail to <postmaster(a)plaidworks.com> and we'll help you out.

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freedom is only relative
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- on 12/26/96 at 04:34 AM, Carl Johnson <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> said: ::Attila T. Hun wrote: ::> is MALLAMACE an abbreviated anagram for 'malicious mace?' :: Yes. Other abbreviated anagrams are: ::A :: C :: and :: F :: (I am thankful that I live in America, where I am free to use ::the above abbreviated anagrams without fear of censorship.) as to lack of fear of censorship; ask the woman in Chicago, approached by Clinton to shake her hand --she refused and said he was criminal murderer. Took 'em a week or so to get her and husband even out of jail the first time, and I think the charges are still going around in federal court. through all this: Bubba a) got obscene, and b) threw a tempter tantrum. think Hillary will protect your civil rights in her Global Village? Keep in mind, it's on record, Hillary's Bill of Rights is the same as the UN Bill of Rights, which just happens to be the same as the Bill of Rights in the current Chinese constitution: the UN's "International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights" (ICCR): Aricle 18 states that "everyone shall have the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion" but specifies that "freedom to manifest one's religions or beliefs may be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and necessary..." sounds more like Bubba's attitude as expressed by Janet Reno and Jamie Gorlick. maybe the Chinese took their model from the UN? As Communist China prepares to digest Hong Kong in July, it is moving quickly to suppress dissenting voices in the media. Asian correspondent David Aikman reports that Red China's Foreign Minister, Qian Qichen, has forbidden future commemorations in Hong Kong of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. When Hong Kong residents protested this decree, foreign ministry spokesman Shen Guofang sought to placate them with the following assurance: "Hong Kong people will have full freedom of expression, but all freedoms must be within the limits allowed by law." George Orwell was not late, just not recognized. == Tyranny Insurance by Colt Manufacturing Co. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMsKpuL04kQrCC2kFAQGAbQP9FJmqIzipPGJ+fN/MuwQLqN6ZJODOkuP/ BDC8HjZ03BwOC91f1tR5TXGEstjwpGL9dxn+SrfpNDFrQNgnJNIbKSDNQasZtUCl 8OpkmFqrH/ALOrERxcTuc9VNLlCEL+IsKjK/pRsXWAIi7VV3uIrXTzorcQX/3d8I M9WNk0rBbvA= =WT+U -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Remember Canseco.....
by YukYukYo69＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 96-12-26 02:38:52 EST, you write: << >Raffik: > >Obviously you don't remember the days of the immaturity of Canseco. The only >reason why they traded him was becuase he was the only cancer to a clubhouse >that was overachieving and headed for the playoffs, not to mention they could >get a sutible replacment for him in the field as well as a couple more arms >for the stretch run. This is, of course, laughable. Canseco was dealt for 1.2 years of Witt, .2 years of Russell, and .2 years of Sierra. Sierra's collapse was completely predictable, and if you care to call me on that, check your local news archive. >> .2 years is called a stretch run! That's what the whole deal was done for. Yeah, maybe the trade wasn't the best ever, considering only a World Series title was going to be the mark on whether or not it was a good deal, but the bottom line is that he made the chance on the trade. Alderson regrets making the deal? Maybe so, but I was glad to see him take that chance on a team that for sure wasn't going to beat the Jays with Canseco. I'll admit, resigning Sierra was wrong. The only reason it happened is becuase it did come on the eve of the Bonds signing and Alderson felt the heat to be competitive in the Bay Area. And it doesn't sound like anything's gonna bring you back. I'm not here saying Canseco's presence is going to be an asset to the team. And I'm still trying to figure out, are you pro or anti Canseco? Gary YukYukYo69(a)aol.com

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Re: Remember Canseco.....
by Lilian Bartholo 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I only remember the days when Jose gave the A's 730 rbis in 7.5 years. Excitement and charisma at the plate and a slew of good deeds that the press never talked about. The only "cancer" in the clubhouse that I'm glad is now gone was TLR and his chosen few clan. If TLR thought Jose was so bad, then why did he call him during the offseason last year and asked him if he would play first base for him in St. Louis? Maybe he just wanted to have him around so he could use him as a distraction and as a scape-goat when things turned sour with the team. Lil

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RE: Legality of requiring credit cards?
by Mike Topalovich 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>True. But when I was a wetback bank teller making $6.50 an hour, I didn't >fill out any forms I didn't have to. Come to think of it, you have to fill >out a CTR when you purchase a bank check or money order for only $3,000 or >more in cash. I forgot about that. > >Just a side note to show how effective these CTRs have to be...when I worked >at a bank many moons ago, we would receive calls from the IRS pertaining to >CTRs that we had filled out 8 or 9 months before...I would find that very >encouraging if I were laundering money on a temporary basis. You get the >money moved, skip town, and you still have a good 6 month head start before >the IRS even has a notion to catch on. > >Mike > >---------- >From: dlv@bwalk.dm.com[SMTP:dlv@bwalk.dm.com] >Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 1996 12:41 PM >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: RE: Legality of requiring credit cards? > >Mike Topalovich <TOPALOVICH(a)terraglyph.com> writes: >> It's not necessarily because you are paying with $100 bills. The IRS >> requires banks and other businesses to report all cash transactions >> exceeding $10,000 by means of a Currency Transaction Report (CTR). This >> is a way for the IRS to track money laundering. There happens to be two >> lines on the form asking for the number of $50 and $100 bills, but those >> lines are optional. > >They're supposed to report "suspicious" cash transactions under 10K too. > >--- > >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps > >

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RE: Legality of requiring credit cards?
by Mike Topalovich 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> >This isn't to start any arguments, it's just an FYI...I noticed that when I >worked for a bank, many banks would only allow other banks to call to verify >funds. What this meant was, I'd have customers calling me who in turn had >customers who were growing *very* impatient because they had written a >personal check, who had to wait for the clerk to call to verify funds, spend >10 minutes on hold for bookkeeping only to find that the bank they were >calling only allows other banks to verify funds, who then had to wait for the >clerk to call the company's bank to call the other bank to sit on hold >another 10 minutes for bookkeeping only to have the bookkeeper try to weasel >his/her way out of doing any work by disputing the fact that you worked for a >bank, blah, blah, blah. > >What's the point? Maybe some of us don't want to have to go into debt just >to buy groceries, and don't want to carry buttloads of cash on us all of the >time. With banks charging ridiculous fees to keep *your* money in a checking >account, where's the big incentive? > >I say we go back to a barter system > >Mike > > >---------- >From: gimonca@skypoint.com[SMTP:gimonca@skypoint.com] >Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 1996 12:57 AM >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: Re: Legality of requiring credit cards? (fwd) > >People on the list could probably come up with much better ways to >authenticate a reputation. Until then, for personal checks, you can >call any bank in the U.S., ask for bookkeeping, and ask them if there >are funds in the bank to cover the check you're holding. Any bank >should give you a yes or no on this. Some banks, like the First Banks >here in Minnesota, will do this through their automated telephone >banking services, 24 hours. > > >

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Re: Diffie-Hellman
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The only `culture' Timmy May possesses is that cultivated from his foreskin scrapings. )))) )) OO Timmy May 6 (_) `____c

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FS- Sharks Tkts- Front Row (2nd Deck) Jan 13
by Howard Strachman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've got two seats in section 226, row 1 available for sale for Jan 13. Face value=$43 each. Howard Strachman Tel: 408-863-0801 Ultracom Communications, Inc. Fax: 408-863-0363 21580 Stevens Creek Blvd Email:howard@ultracominc.com Cupertino, CA 95014 Web: http://www.ultracominc.com

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FS-Jan 7 Row 1 Sec 211
by Anne Greene 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Subject: Time: 10:34 AM OFFICE MEMO FS:Jan 7 Row 1 Sec 211 Date: 12/26/96 I have two seats, on the rim, end that sharks shoot on twice for the Jan. 7th Buffalo game. Sec 211, Row 1, seats 1 & 2 $86 for the pair (face value) Email me at: anne.greene(a)xilinx.com or call 408-879-6716 Happy Boxing day, Anne

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re: Papers Galore
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thanks to Harry and Kenneth for correcting the URL for the NISSC96 papers. We've converted the toc.pdf to HTML for easy scanning of the impressive list of papers and panels: http://jya.com/nissc96.htm Now who's going hyper-link the TOC to the files? Ease the scrooge download torture?

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For Sale for 12/26!
by Reynolds, Cathy A (careyno) 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi All, A friend has a change in plans and can't make the game tonight. Sorry for the late notice. Section 116 Row 18& 19 (right behind the other) They are great seats! Please page Nick on 510-810-4835 if you are interested. Cathy

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Game tonight
by Karmy T. Kays 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Is the game against the Blues tonight going to be on tv or on real audio tonight? I would really like to see or hear it.

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WHICH
by listproc＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

cypherpunks(a)toad.com: You are subscribed to the following lists; if none appear, you are not subscribed to any: MINORS MINORS-SCORES IHL BAY-AREA-HOCKEY ROLLER-HOCKEY-INTL WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY GIANTS GIANTS-TICKETS BASEBALL-CHAT SHARKS SHARKS-TICKETS SHARKS-CHAT HOCKEY-CHAT DALLAS-STARS LA-KINGS ONLINE-DRIVE PIT-PENGUINS MAPLE-LEAFS OTT-SENATORS PHX-COYOTES BHAWKS-L COL-AVALANCHE HOCKEY-COACHES HOCKEY-REFEREES CAL-FLAMES OAK-ATHLETICS HOCKEY-PLAYERS

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the file you requested
by daemon＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Introduction to the Oakland Athletics Mailing List Last update December 15, 1996 This file is available at any time by e-mailing to <oak-athletics-request(a)plaidworks.com> or by FTP as <ftp://plaidworks.com/list-archives/oak-athletics/oak-athletics.INTRO> +++IMPORTANT+++ We ask that all users read this document and look at the charter for what is acceptable use of this mailing list. We also ask that if you haven't done so, send e-mail to <manners(a)plaidworks.com>. That file contains the general rules we administer this list under, as well as hints that we've found help people write e-mail messages which are easier to understand and help the mailing lists function smoothly. Everyone using these lists is expected to abide by the rules in these files. We don't consider ignorance of the rules an excuse for unacceptable behavior. Please work with us to make this a fun, interesting and educational place to be. +++IMPORTANT+++ Administrative messages sent to the mailing lists will have a subject that begins with "Admin:". Please read these messages, as they have important information about the state of the lists and systems and changes that might affect how you use it. If you want to find out what else is available on this server, browse <http://www.plaidworks.com/ListAdmin/> or send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com>. It will return a document listing all of our services. We have written a tutorial on using the listproc mail server. You can get a copy of that by sending e-mail to <listproc-help(a)plaidworks.com>. ============ Table of Contents ============ 1) The Oakland Athletics Mailing List 2) Who to contact for help and advice 3) Subscription Info: Important Mail Server Commands 4) Sending Messages to the mailing lists 5) Charter: What's Acceptable/What's not 6) How to find the World Wide Web Home Page, Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), and FTP archives ============ 1) The Oakland Athletics Mailing Lists ============ The "Oakland Athletics" mailing list is for general discussion of issues and topics pertaining to the baseball team, it's farm system, the organization, and other related things. We are not affiliated with the Oakland Athletics in any way. Please see the charters below for detailed descriptions of what is and is not acceptable material for these lists. There are other mailing lists available as well. Please send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com> to get a listing of their names, topics, and subscription information. ============ 2) Who to contact for help and advice ============ The List Mom (or Sysops) for these lists are: Chuq Von Rospach (e-mail: <chuqui(a)plaidworks.com>) Mailing List problems: <postmaster(a)plaidworks.com> Please try to follow the directions. If you can't make things work, drop us a note and we'll be happy to help. Try us second, though: we're your helpers, not your baby-sitters. The time we spend doing administrative things is time we can't spend creating better services for you. ============ 3) Subscription Info: Important Mail Server commands ============ To subscribe or unsubscribe to a mailing list, you should use the WWW subscription site at <http://www.plaidworks.com/ListAdmin/>. If you don't have WWW access (get it!), you must send an e-mail command to the address <listproc(a)plaidworks.com>. Leave the subject line blank or put a nonsense word in it -- do not put Listproc commands in the subject, or Listproc will reject the message. For complete details on using listproc, get the listproc tutorial mentioned above. Here are the listproc commands to subscribe to these mailing lists: SUBSCRIBE oak-athletics your real name goes here Here are the commands to unsubscribe from these mailing lists: UNSUBSCRIBE oak-athletics If you want to switch a list to digest mode, use these commands: SET oak-athletics MAIL DIGEST If you want to switch a list from digest mode, use these commands: SET oak-athletics MAIL ACK Remember, all listproc commands go to <listproc(a)plaidworks.com>, not the main mailing list. You can put more than one command in an e-mail message. Please note that if your e-mail messages contain signatures, listproc will attempt to read them as commands and return an error to you. This can be ignored if you also get the confirmation back on the earlier commands. You should get a confirmation e-mail or error warning for EVERY command you send to listproc. If you didn't, something went wrong. Try it again, and if it still doesn't work, contact <postmaster(a)plaidworks.com> for help. ============ 4) Sending messages to the mailing lists ============ To post to the mailing lists, send mail to the appropriate list address: <oak-athletics(a)plaidworks.com> You must be a subscriber to the list to post to it. Listproc (the mail server we use) is very picky about your address: it will not recognize you as a subscriber except from the account where you sent the SUBSCRIBE command from. ============ 5) Charter: What's Acceptable, What's Not ============ There is a file of general rules and guidelines that we ask users to abide by on these mailing lists. If you haven't done so send e-mail to <manners(a)plaidworks.com> to get this list and please read it. We don't consider ignorance of the rules an excuse for unacceptable behavior. Please work with us to make this a fun, interesting and educational place to be. The "Oakland Athletics" mailing list is for general discussion of issues and topics pertaining to the baseball team, it's farm system, the organization, and other related things. +++ Acceptable uses: 1) Information about the Oakland Athletics baseball club, it's minor league farm system, management, and organization. 2) S.F. Oakland Athletics Collectibles and Merchandise information. Please don't try to buy or sell stuff on the list, though. It's not a classified ad or a swap meet. 3) Schedule information, box scores, team status, and transaction reports. 4) Road Trips and group get-togethers. A way for out-of-towners to find out what's happening when they visit, and for the locals to meet their like-minded on-line fans. 5) Tickets for sale (and wanted). Scalping is not allowed, however. Please see the note on this in the manners(a)plaidworks.com document. 6) Anything else of interest about the Oakland Athletics. The oak-athletics list should be used for things specific to the Oakland Athletics, primarily on-field issues. Anything that shifts away from that towards more general baseball discussions or any organizational discussions that don't involve the team specifically should be put on baseball-chat. One thing these lists are NOT for: this is not a place for the discussion of rotisserie or fantasy baseball. Please do not come in here looking for data on players you've drafted for a roto league, but otherwise have no clue who they are. There are plenty of places for that. This is for people who enjoy baseball as baseball. Think of this as a sports bar, where we can all sit down with a drink of our choice and discuss the game of our choice. Those who become too rowdy, too drunk, too obnoxious or abusive will be shown the door. Everyone else is welcome -- so drink in moderation, and act like an adult. That's all we ask. ============ 6) How to find the Home Page, Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) ============ This document is: <ftp://plaidworks.com/list-archives/oak-athletics/oak-athletics.INTRO> If you aren't sure how to access the World Wide Web or FTP from your site, please ask your local administrators for advice, since it varies for different organizations and types of computers. If you can't get help locally, drop private e-mail to one of the List Moms, and we'll do what we can do to get you started. The FTP archive is in the directory <~ftp/list-archives/oak-athletics/>. All messages to the list are archived in the "message.archives" folder in the subdirectory with the same name as the list you're looking for. If you have WWW access, there will be a searchable database of the message real soon now. ---- end of oak-athletics.INTRO ----

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Error Condition Re:
by sharks-tickets＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The mail server has identified an administrative command in your message. DO NOT SEND ADMINISTRATIVE COMMANDS TO THE LIST. All server commands should be sent to listproc(a)plaidworks.com. If you did not intend to send an administrative command, then you'll need to rewrite your message to avoid the command words UNSUBSCRIBE that are causing listproc to trap your message. For help, send email to address info(a)plaidworks.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe

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Error Condition Re:
by sharks-chat＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The mail server has identified an administrative command in your message. DO NOT SEND ADMINISTRATIVE COMMANDS TO THE LIST. All server commands should be sent to listproc(a)plaidworks.com. If you did not intend to send an administrative command, then you'll need to rewrite your message to avoid the command words UNSUBSCRIBE that are causing listproc to trap your message. For help, send email to address info(a)plaidworks.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- unsubscribe

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the file you requested
by daemon＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Introduction to the Sharks Mailing Lists Version 2.0 Last update August 25, 1996 This file is available at any time by e-mailing to <sharks-request(a)plaidworks.com> or by FTP as <ftp://plaidworks.com/hockey/nhl/sharks/sharks.INTRO> +++IMPORTANT+++ We ask that all users read this document and look at the charter for what is acceptable use of this mailing list. We also ask that if you haven't done so, send e-mail to <manners(a)plaidworks.com>. That file contains the general rules we administer this list under, as well as hints that we've found help people write e-mail messages which are easier to understand and help the mailing lists function smoothly. Everyone using these lists is expected to abide by the rules in these files. We don't consider ignorance of the rules an excuse for unacceptable behavior. Please work with us to make this a fun, interesting and educational place to be. +++IMPORTANT+++ Administrative messages sent to the mailing lists will have a subject that begins with "Admin:". Please read these messages, as they have important information about the state of the lists and systems and changes that might affect how you use it. If you want to find out what else is available on this server, send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com>. It will return a document listing all of our services. We have written a tutorial on using the listproc mail server. You can get a copy of that by sending e-mail to <listproc-help(a)plaidworks.com>. ============ Table of Contents ============ 1) The Sharks Family of Mailing Lists 2) Who to contact for help and advice 3) Subscription Info: Important Mail Server Commands 4) Sending Messages to the mailing lists 5) Charter: What's Acceptable/What's not 6) How to find the World Wide Web Home Page, Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), and FTP archives ============ 1) The Sharks Family of Lists ============ The following sharks-related lists are available on plaidworks.com: sharks: This list is for discussion of on-ice related things ONLY. Players, games, that sort of thing. It should relate to the game of hockey and the San Jose Sharks in some way, or it belongs on one of the other lists. sharks-chat: This list is for discussion of the off-ice related aspects of the Sharks: arena, organizational issues, complaints about ticket prices or the cost of beer. Anything having to do with the San Jose Sharks club OTHER than the team itself and what they do goes here. In general, if it is about the TEAM, put it in Sharks. If it is about the organization, put it in Sharks-Chat. If you aren't sure, put it in Sharks-Chat or ask one of the List Moms for advice. sharks-tickets: For the sale and purchase of tickets to Sharks games by the users of our mailing list. No dealers or brokers, and sales during the regular season must be at no more than face value. Please see the charters below for detailed descriptions of what is and is not acceptable material for these lists. There are other mailing lists available as well. Please send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com> to get a listing of their names, topics, and subscription information. ============ 2) Who to contact for help and advice ============ The List Moms (or Sysops) for these lists are: Chuq Von Rospach (e-mail: <chuqui(a)plaidworks.com>) Laurie Sefton (e-mail: <lsefton(a)plaidworks.com>) Mailing List problems: <server(a)plaidworks.com> Please try to follow the directions. If you can't make things work, drop us a note and we'll be happy to help. Try us second, though: we're your helpers, not your baby-sitters. The time we spend doing administrative things is time we can't spend creating better services for you. ============ 3) Subscription Info: Important Mail Server commands ============ To subscribe or unsubscribe to a mailing list, you must send an e-mail command to the address <listproc(a)plaidworks.com>. Leave the subject line blank or put a nonsense word in it -- do not put Listproc commands in the subject, or Listproc will reject the message. For complete details on using listproc, get the listproc tutorial mentioned above. Here are the listproc commands to subscribe to these mailing lists: SUBSCRIBE sharks your real name goes here SUBSCRIBE sharks-chat your real name goes here SUBSCRIBE sharks-tickets your real name goes here Here are the commands to unsubscribe from these mailing lists: UNSUBSCRIBE sharks UNSUBSCRIBE sharks-chat UNSUBSCRIBE sharks-tickets If you want to switch a list to digest mode, use these commands: SET sharks MAIL DIGEST SET sharks-chat MAIL DIGEST SET sharks-tickets MAIL DIGEST If you want to switch a list from digest mode, use these commands: SET sharks MAIL ACK SET sharks-chat MAIL ACK SET sharks-tickets MAIL ACK Remember, all listproc commands go to <listproc(a)plaidworks.com>, not the main mailing list. You can put more than one command in an e-mail message. Please note that if your e-mail messages contain signatures, listproc will attempt to read them as commands and return an error to you. This can be ignored if you also get the confirmation back on the earlier commands. You should get a confirmation e-mail or error warning for EVERY command you send to listproc. If you didn't, something went wrong. Try it again, and if it still doesn't work, contact <server(a)plaidworks.com> for help. ============ 4) Sending messages to the mailing lists ============ To post to the mailing lists, send mail to the appropriate list address: <sharks(a)plaidworks.com> <sharks-chat(a)plaidworks.com> <sharks-tickets(a)plaidworks.com> You must be a subscriber to the list to post to it. Listproc (the mail server we use) is very picky about your address: it will not recognize you as a subscriber except from the account where you sent the SUBSCRIBE command from. ============ 5) Charter: What's Acceptable, What's Not ============ There is a file of general rules and guidelines that we ask users to abide by on these mailing lists. If you haven't done so send e-mail to <manners(a)plaidworks.com> to get this list and please read it. We don't consider ignorance of the rules an excuse for unacceptable behavior. Please work with us to make this a fun, interesting and educational place to be. Sharks: This list is for discussion of on-ice related things ONLY. Players, games, that sort of thing. It should relate to the game of hockey and the San Jose Sharks in some way, or it belongs on one of the other lists. Sharks-Chat: This list is for discussion of the off-ice related aspects of the Sharks: arena, organizational issues, complaints about ticket prices or the cost of beer. Anything having to do with the San Jose Sharks club OTHER than the team itself and what they do goes here. In general, if it is about the TEAM, put it in Sharks. If it is about the organization, put it in Sharks-Chat. If you aren't sure, put it in Sharks-Chat or ask one of the List Moms for advice. Sharks-Tickets: the place to buy and sell tickets. Please do not put ticket requests on any of the other lists. The groundrules: no commercial services may use the list. Tickets may be sold ONLY for face value. There is no scalping on the list. Period. For the playoffs, we relax this rule in the following way: tickets may be sold but prices may not be listed in the messages. Keep the transaction private. Anyone found violating this, or found selling tickets above face value during the regular season, may be kicked off the list permanently. This is a service to our readers, not a source of income. ============ 6) How to find the Home Page, Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) ============ The World Wide Web home page for these mailing lists is: <http://hockey.plaidworks.com/sharks/> The World Wide Web pages are all written and maintained by Mike Lamar <mlamar(a)plaidworks.com>. If you have questions or comments on them, please contact Mike. This document is: <ftp://plaidworks.com/hockey/nhl/sharks/sharks.INTRO> If you aren't sure how to access the World Wide Web or FTP from your site, please ask your local administrators for advice, since it varies for different organizations and types of computers. If you can't get help locally, drop private e-mail to one of the List Moms, and we'll do what we can do to get you started. The FTP archive is in the directory <~ftp/hockey/nhl/sharks/>. All messages to the list are archived in the "message.archives" folder in the subdirectory with the same name as the list you're looking for. If you have WWW access, there will be a searchable database of the message real soon now. If you have no access via FTP, these files can be accessed through listproc. e-mail <listproc-help(a)plaidworks.com> for instructions. Note that because this is a very lightly used function and time intensive for the List Mom, it's rarely up to date. Consider it a last resort. ---- end of sharks.INTRO ----

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the file you requested
by daemon＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Introduction to the Sharks Mailing Lists Version 2.0 Last update August 25, 1996 This file is available at any time by e-mailing to <sharks-request(a)plaidworks.com> or by FTP as <ftp://plaidworks.com/hockey/nhl/sharks/sharks.INTRO> +++IMPORTANT+++ We ask that all users read this document and look at the charter for what is acceptable use of this mailing list. We also ask that if you haven't done so, send e-mail to <manners(a)plaidworks.com>. That file contains the general rules we administer this list under, as well as hints that we've found help people write e-mail messages which are easier to understand and help the mailing lists function smoothly. Everyone using these lists is expected to abide by the rules in these files. We don't consider ignorance of the rules an excuse for unacceptable behavior. Please work with us to make this a fun, interesting and educational place to be. +++IMPORTANT+++ Administrative messages sent to the mailing lists will have a subject that begins with "Admin:". Please read these messages, as they have important information about the state of the lists and systems and changes that might affect how you use it. If you want to find out what else is available on this server, send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com>. It will return a document listing all of our services. We have written a tutorial on using the listproc mail server. You can get a copy of that by sending e-mail to <listproc-help(a)plaidworks.com>. ============ Table of Contents ============ 1) The Sharks Family of Mailing Lists 2) Who to contact for help and advice 3) Subscription Info: Important Mail Server Commands 4) Sending Messages to the mailing lists 5) Charter: What's Acceptable/What's not 6) How to find the World Wide Web Home Page, Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ), and FTP archives ============ 1) The Sharks Family of Lists ============ The following sharks-related lists are available on plaidworks.com: sharks: This list is for discussion of on-ice related things ONLY. Players, games, that sort of thing. It should relate to the game of hockey and the San Jose Sharks in some way, or it belongs on one of the other lists. sharks-chat: This list is for discussion of the off-ice related aspects of the Sharks: arena, organizational issues, complaints about ticket prices or the cost of beer. Anything having to do with the San Jose Sharks club OTHER than the team itself and what they do goes here. In general, if it is about the TEAM, put it in Sharks. If it is about the organization, put it in Sharks-Chat. If you aren't sure, put it in Sharks-Chat or ask one of the List Moms for advice. sharks-tickets: For the sale and purchase of tickets to Sharks games by the users of our mailing list. No dealers or brokers, and sales during the regular season must be at no more than face value. Please see the charters below for detailed descriptions of what is and is not acceptable material for these lists. There are other mailing lists available as well. Please send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com> to get a listing of their names, topics, and subscription information. ============ 2) Who to contact for help and advice ============ The List Moms (or Sysops) for these lists are: Chuq Von Rospach (e-mail: <chuqui(a)plaidworks.com>) Laurie Sefton (e-mail: <lsefton(a)plaidworks.com>) Mailing List problems: <server(a)plaidworks.com> Please try to follow the directions. If you can't make things work, drop us a note and we'll be happy to help. Try us second, though: we're your helpers, not your baby-sitters. The time we spend doing administrative things is time we can't spend creating better services for you. ============ 3) Subscription Info: Important Mail Server commands ============ To subscribe or unsubscribe to a mailing list, you must send an e-mail command to the address <listproc(a)plaidworks.com>. Leave the subject line blank or put a nonsense word in it -- do not put Listproc commands in the subject, or Listproc will reject the message. For complete details on using listproc, get the listproc tutorial mentioned above. Here are the listproc commands to subscribe to these mailing lists: SUBSCRIBE sharks your real name goes here SUBSCRIBE sharks-chat your real name goes here SUBSCRIBE sharks-tickets your real name goes here Here are the commands to unsubscribe from these mailing lists: UNSUBSCRIBE sharks UNSUBSCRIBE sharks-chat UNSUBSCRIBE sharks-tickets If you want to switch a list to digest mode, use these commands: SET sharks MAIL DIGEST SET sharks-chat MAIL DIGEST SET sharks-tickets MAIL DIGEST If you want to switch a list from digest mode, use these commands: SET sharks MAIL ACK SET sharks-chat MAIL ACK SET sharks-tickets MAIL ACK Remember, all listproc commands go to <listproc(a)plaidworks.com>, not the main mailing list. You can put more than one command in an e-mail message. Please note that if your e-mail messages contain signatures, listproc will attempt to read them as commands and return an error to you. This can be ignored if you also get the confirmation back on the earlier commands. You should get a confirmation e-mail or error warning for EVERY command you send to listproc. If you didn't, something went wrong. Try it again, and if it still doesn't work, contact <server(a)plaidworks.com> for help. ============ 4) Sending messages to the mailing lists ============ To post to the mailing lists, send mail to the appropriate list address: <sharks(a)plaidworks.com> <sharks-chat(a)plaidworks.com> <sharks-tickets(a)plaidworks.com> You must be a subscriber to the list to post to it. Listproc (the mail server we use) is very picky about your address: it will not recognize you as a subscriber except from the account where you sent the SUBSCRIBE command from. ============ 5) Charter: What's Acceptable, What's Not ============ There is a file of general rules and guidelines that we ask users to abide by on these mailing lists. If you haven't done so send e-mail to <manners(a)plaidworks.com> to get this list and please read it. We don't consider ignorance of the rules an excuse for unacceptable behavior. Please work with us to make this a fun, interesting and educational place to be. Sharks: This list is for discussion of on-ice related things ONLY. Players, games, that sort of thing. It should relate to the game of hockey and the San Jose Sharks in some way, or it belongs on one of the other lists. Sharks-Chat: This list is for discussion of the off-ice related aspects of the Sharks: arena, organizational issues, complaints about ticket prices or the cost of beer. Anything having to do with the San Jose Sharks club OTHER than the team itself and what they do goes here. In general, if it is about the TEAM, put it in Sharks. If it is about the organization, put it in Sharks-Chat. If you aren't sure, put it in Sharks-Chat or ask one of the List Moms for advice. Sharks-Tickets: the place to buy and sell tickets. Please do not put ticket requests on any of the other lists. The groundrules: no commercial services may use the list. Tickets may be sold ONLY for face value. There is no scalping on the list. Period. For the playoffs, we relax this rule in the following way: tickets may be sold but prices may not be listed in the messages. Keep the transaction private. Anyone found violating this, or found selling tickets above face value during the regular season, may be kicked off the list permanently. This is a service to our readers, not a source of income. ============ 6) How to find the Home Page, Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) ============ The World Wide Web home page for these mailing lists is: <http://hockey.plaidworks.com/sharks/> The World Wide Web pages are all written and maintained by Mike Lamar <mlamar(a)plaidworks.com>. If you have questions or comments on them, please contact Mike. This document is: <ftp://plaidworks.com/hockey/nhl/sharks/sharks.INTRO> If you aren't sure how to access the World Wide Web or FTP from your site, please ask your local administrators for advice, since it varies for different organizations and types of computers. If you can't get help locally, drop private e-mail to one of the List Moms, and we'll do what we can do to get you started. The FTP archive is in the directory <~ftp/hockey/nhl/sharks/>. All messages to the list are archived in the "message.archives" folder in the subdirectory with the same name as the list you're looking for. If you have WWW access, there will be a searchable database of the message real soon now. If you have no access via FTP, these files can be accessed through listproc. e-mail <listproc-help(a)plaidworks.com> for instructions. Note that because this is a very lightly used function and time intensive for the List Mom, it's rarely up to date. Consider it a last resort. ---- end of sharks.INTRO ----

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Error Condition Re: Invalid request
by listproc＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

=============== Mail Daemon Command Error =============== The line that caused the error was: >UNSUBSCRIBE BASEBALL-CHAT SATAN CYPHERPUNKS(a)TOAD.COM: You are not subscribed to baseball-chat(a)plaidworks.com ==================== For more help, send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com> or browse <http://www.plaidworks.com/ListAdmin/> to use our new World Wide Web interface. ==================== Any list commands after the point of error are ignored. If you put a 'signature' on your email, that will cause an error. This can be ignored if you received confirmation of your other commands. ========== Mail Daemon Command Summary ========== The syntax for the most common commands is: (if you aren't sure, get help from the above help sources) SUBSCRIBE listname your name goes here UNSUBSCRIBE listname To turn on DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL DIGEST To turn off DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL ACK ========== If you need more help ========== If you can't make it work, send e-mail to <postmaster(a)plaidworks.com> and we'll help you out.

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Re: Unix Passwd (fwd)
by Eric Murray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Laszlo Vecsey writes: > On Thu, 26 Dec 1996, Eric Murray wrote: > > > Fyodor Yarochkin writes: > > > > > > > > > Anyone has any success in breaking this? > > > -f > > > > Many people have tried breaking the cipher, I have not heard > > of anyone being successful. > > > > There is however a number of programs that attempt a brute-force > > of passwords, the best is called 'crack' and is written by Alec Muffet. > > >From Applied Cryptography (2nd edition) I got the impression that it has > been cracked. Do a netsearch for "Crypt Breakers Workbench", its a > freeware program that attempts to do just that. Different crypt. That's crypt(1), a modification of the Enigma algorithim. UNIX passwords use crypt(3), a modified DES. Yea, the names are confusing. -- Eric Murray ericm(a)lne.com ericm(a)motorcycle.com http://www.lne.com/ericm PGP keyid:E03F65E5 fingerprint:50 B0 A2 4C 7D 86 FC 03 92 E8 AC E6 7E 27 29 AF

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ssh + GNU win32 = !!!
by Martin Hamilton 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There's a first stab at that Win32 port of ssh that I've been promising up for FTP at: <URL:ftp://ftp.net.lut.ac.uk/martin/ssh-win32/> It's not pretty, but it does just about work - though cf. the list of caveats in the README. I'll have a go at making this more of a clean port and less of a quick hack after the New Year :-) In the meantime, consider this: the Cygnus port of the GNU developers tools will let you build DLLs. And it's free, of course... Should make building PGP as a DLL a reasonable proposition, methinks - <URL:http://www.cygnus.com/gnu-win32/> for more info. Merry Xmas! Martin

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Error Condition Re: Invalid request
by listproc＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

=============== Mail Daemon Command Error =============== The line that caused the error was: >UNSUBSCRIBE BASEBALL-CHAT CYPHERPUNKS(a)TOAD.COM CYPHERPUNKS(a)TOAD.COM: You are not subscribed to baseball-chat(a)plaidworks.com ==================== For more help, send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com> or browse <http://www.plaidworks.com/ListAdmin/> to use our new World Wide Web interface. ==================== Any list commands after the point of error are ignored. If you put a 'signature' on your email, that will cause an error. This can be ignored if you received confirmation of your other commands. ========== Mail Daemon Command Summary ========== The syntax for the most common commands is: (if you aren't sure, get help from the above help sources) SUBSCRIBE listname your name goes here UNSUBSCRIBE listname To turn on DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL DIGEST To turn off DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL ACK ========== If you need more help ========== If you can't make it work, send e-mail to <postmaster(a)plaidworks.com> and we'll help you out.

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Re: Credentials without Identity--Race Bits
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:31 AM 12/26/96 -0800, Ian Goldberg wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >In article <1.5.4.32.19961221065041.003d70c8(a)popd.ix.netcom.com>, >Bill Stewart <stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>And that's not even counting the "You must turn on your laptop" crap. > >I just took my first flight with a laptop (USair), and, having heard >stories like the above, was wondering how "on" the laptop would have to >be (past the powerup password check? I hope they're not expecting >Windoze...). In my frequent travels by plane, airport security never wanted to see more than the memory check. [How much of the insides of a laptop could be removed to get a memory count display? I'd guess most of it.] -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm

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Error Condition Re: Invalid request
by listproc＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

=============== Mail Daemon Command Error =============== The line that caused the error was: >UNSUBSCRIBE BASEBALL-CHAT CYPHERPUNKS CYPHERPUNKS(a)TOAD.COM: You are not subscribed to baseball-chat(a)plaidworks.com ==================== For more help, send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com> or browse <http://www.plaidworks.com/ListAdmin/> to use our new World Wide Web interface. ==================== Any list commands after the point of error are ignored. If you put a 'signature' on your email, that will cause an error. This can be ignored if you received confirmation of your other commands. ========== Mail Daemon Command Summary ========== The syntax for the most common commands is: (if you aren't sure, get help from the above help sources) SUBSCRIBE listname your name goes here UNSUBSCRIBE listname To turn on DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL DIGEST To turn off DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL ACK ========== If you need more help ========== If you can't make it work, send e-mail to <postmaster(a)plaidworks.com> and we'll help you out.

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No requests found
by listproc＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

No requests found in your message. Requests should be included in the body of the mail message.

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Please take down your instant mailbomb Web page immediately
by abostick＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jesus Christ, Chuq, are you incompetent at *everything* you set your hand to? Your plaidworks.com ListAdmin Web page (http://www.plaidworks.com/ListAdmin/) is an open invitation to troublemakers to mailbomb. Gee, maybe I should root around plaidworks and see if I can find other security holes. Wouldn't it be fun if I could find a way to stuff the Nebula ballot box . . . ? ;-) If you wish to respond to this, please do it from another site than plaidworks.com, as I am immediately telling procmail to bounce all mail originating from that site: # # #Toss email from rogue sites # # # # Plaidworks # :0 * ^(From|To|Received|Message-ID):.*plaidworks\.com.* { EXITCODE = 67 :0 /dev/null } * ^(From|To|Recieved|Message-ID):.*207.167.80.66 { EXITCODE = 67 :0 /dev/null } > Return-Path: <cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com> > Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by mail6.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) > id MAA17062; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 12:02:55 -0800 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA24977 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 11:08:35 -0800 (PST) > Received: from plaidworks.com (plaidworks.com [207.167.80.66]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24972 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 11:08:31 -0800 (PST) > From: listproc(a)plaidworks.com > Received: from ([127.0.0.1]) by plaidworks.com (8.6.9/A/UX 3.1) with SMTP id LAA27991 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 11:09:13 -0800 > Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 11:09:13 -0800 > Message-Id: <199612261909.LAA27991(a)plaidworks.com> > Reply-To: listproc(a)plaidworks.com > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: WHICH > X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0 -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > X-Comment: Boston University ListProcessor > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk > X-Newsgroups: alt.security.cypherpunks > > cypherpunks(a)toad.com: You are subscribed to the following lists; > if none appear, you are not subscribed to any: > MINORS > MINORS-SCORES > IHL > BAY-AREA-HOCKEY > ROLLER-HOCKEY-INTL > WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY > GIANTS > GIANTS-TICKETS > BASEBALL-CHAT > SHARKS > SHARKS-TICKETS > SHARKS-CHAT > HOCKEY-CHAT > DALLAS-STARS > LA-KINGS > ONLINE-DRIVE > PIT-PENGUINS > MAPLE-LEAFS > OTT-SENATORS > PHX-COYOTES > BHAWKS-L > COL-AVALANCHE > HOCKEY-COACHES > HOCKEY-REFEREES > CAL-FLAMES > OAK-ATHLETICS > HOCKEY-PLAYERS > > -- Alan Bostick | I'm not cheating; I'm *winning*! mailto:abostick@netcom.com | Emma Michael Notkin news:alt.grelb | http://www.alumni.caltech.edu/~abostick

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Error Condition Re: Invalid request
by listproc＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

=============== Mail Daemon Command Error =============== The line that caused the error was: >UNSUBSCRIBE OAK-ATHLETICS CYPHERPUNKS(a)TOAD.COM: You are not subscribed to oak-athletics(a)plaidworks.com ==================== For more help, send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com> or browse <http://www.plaidworks.com/ListAdmin/> to use our new World Wide Web interface. ==================== Any list commands after the point of error are ignored. If you put a 'signature' on your email, that will cause an error. This can be ignored if you received confirmation of your other commands. ========== Mail Daemon Command Summary ========== The syntax for the most common commands is: (if you aren't sure, get help from the above help sources) SUBSCRIBE listname your name goes here UNSUBSCRIBE listname To turn on DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL DIGEST To turn off DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL ACK ========== If you need more help ========== If you can't make it work, send e-mail to <postmaster(a)plaidworks.com> and we'll help you out.

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Error Condition Re: Invalid request
by listproc＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

=============== Mail Daemon Command Error =============== The line that caused the error was: >UNSUBSCRIBE SHARKS-CHAT CYPHERPUNKS(a)TOAD.COM: You are not subscribed to sharks-chat(a)plaidworks.com ==================== For more help, send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com> or browse <http://www.plaidworks.com/ListAdmin/> to use our new World Wide Web interface. ==================== Any list commands after the point of error are ignored. If you put a 'signature' on your email, that will cause an error. This can be ignored if you received confirmation of your other commands. ========== Mail Daemon Command Summary ========== The syntax for the most common commands is: (if you aren't sure, get help from the above help sources) SUBSCRIBE listname your name goes here UNSUBSCRIBE listname To turn on DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL DIGEST To turn off DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL ACK ========== If you need more help ========== If you can't make it work, send e-mail to <postmaster(a)plaidworks.com> and we'll help you out.

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Error Condition Re: Invalid request
by listproc＠plaidworks.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

=============== Mail Daemon Command Error =============== The line that caused the error was: >UNSUBSCRIBE SHARKS-TICKETS CYPHERPUNKS(a)TOAD.COM: You are not subscribed to sharks-tickets(a)plaidworks.com ==================== For more help, send e-mail to <info(a)plaidworks.com> or browse <http://www.plaidworks.com/ListAdmin/> to use our new World Wide Web interface. ==================== Any list commands after the point of error are ignored. If you put a 'signature' on your email, that will cause an error. This can be ignored if you received confirmation of your other commands. ========== Mail Daemon Command Summary ========== The syntax for the most common commands is: (if you aren't sure, get help from the above help sources) SUBSCRIBE listname your name goes here UNSUBSCRIBE listname To turn on DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL DIGEST To turn off DIGEST mode, use: SET listname MAIL ACK ========== If you need more help ========== If you can't make it work, send e-mail to <postmaster(a)plaidworks.com> and we'll help you out.

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Returned mail: User unknown
by MAILER-DAEMON＠Alpha.remcan.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The original message was received at Thu, 26 Dec 1996 16:13:49 -0500 from Dial50.Solutions.Net [204.112.6.160] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- <istproc(a)plaidworks.com> (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to plaidworks.com: >>> RCPT To:<istproc(a)plaidworks.com> <<< 550 <istproc(a)plaidworks.com>... User unknown 550 <istproc(a)plaidworks.com>... User unknown ----- Original message follows ----- Received: from shawn by Alpha.remcan.ca via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for <istproc(a)plaidworks.com> id QAA12978; Thu, 26 Dec 1996 16:13:49 -0500 Return-Path: <cypherpunks(a)toad.com> From: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Message-Id: <3.0.32.19961226161931.009c09f0(a)toad.com> X-Sender: cypherpunks(a)toad.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 16:19:34 -0600 To: istproc(a)plaidworks.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" UNSUBSCRIBE MINORS UNSUBSCRIBE MINORS-SCORES UNSUBSCRIBE IHL UNSUBSCRIBE BAY-AREA-HOCKEY UNSUBSCRIBE ROLLER-HOCKEY-INTL UNSUBSCRIBE WOMEN-IN-HOCKEY UNSUBSCRIBE GIANTS UNSUBSCRIBE GIANTS-TICKETS UNSUBSCRIBE BASEBALL-CHAT UNSUBSCRIBE SHARKS UNSUBSCRIBE SHARKS-TICKETS UNSUBSCRIBE SHARKS-CHAT UNSUBSCRIBE HOCKEY-CHAT UNSUBSCRIBE DALLAS-STARS UNSUBSCRIBE LA-KINGS UNSUBSCRIBE ONLINE-DRIVE UNSUBSCRIBE PIT-PENGUINS UNSUBSCRIBE MAPLE-LEAFS UNSUBSCRIBE OTT-SENATORS UNSUBSCRIBE PHX-COYOTES UNSUBSCRIBE BHAWKS-L UNSUBSCRIBE COL-AVALANCHE UNSUBSCRIBE HOCKEY-COACHES UNSUBSCRIBE HOCKEY-REFEREES UNSUBSCRIBE CAL-FLAMES UNSUBSCRIBE OAK-ATHLETICS UNSUBSCRIBE HOCKEY-PLAYERS

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confidential banking?
by troubled＠mailmasher.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw a posting on alt.privacy a couple of days ago from 100022.1345(a)compuserve.com (Mark Mage) advertising the availability of what he called "the safest kind of bank account legally available", something called "an anonymous 'Sparbuch'" account in Austria. He said "The anonymous account is a bearer's account without a name or, alternatively, may be made out in whatever pseudonym you choose (as long as it is not obscene or otherwise illegal)." I'm not at all familiar with Austrian banking law or this type of account. Would someone tell me if this is worth checking into further? 'Mark Mage' says these accounts usually cost $200 - $400 to set up, but he's asking "considerably less".

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confidential banking?
by troubled＠mailmasher.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw a posting on alt.privacy a couple of days ago from 100022.1345(a)compuserve.com (Mark Mage) advertising the availability of what he called "the safest kind of bank account legally available", something called "an anonymous 'Sparbuch'" account in Austria. He said "The anonymous account is a bearer's account without a name or, alternatively, may be made out in whatever pseudonym you choose (as long as it is not obscene or otherwise illegal)." I'm not at all familiar with Austrian banking law or this type of account. Would someone tell me if this is worth checking into further? 'Mark Mage' says these accounts usually cost $200 - $400 to set up, but he's asking "considerably less".

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confidential banking?
by troubled＠mailmasher.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I saw a posting on alt.privacy a couple of days ago from 100022.1345(a)compuserve.com (Mark Mage) advertising the availability of what he called "the safest kind of bank account legally available", something called "an anonymous 'Sparbuch'" account in Austria. He said "The anonymous account is a bearer's account without a name or, alternatively, may be made out in whatever pseudonym you choose (as long as it is not obscene or otherwise illegal)." I'm not at all familiar with Austrian banking law or this type of account. Would someone tell me if this is worth checking into further? 'Mark Mage' says these accounts usually cost $200 - $400 to set up, but he's asking "considerably less". troubled(a)mailmasher.com

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Fan mail from cocksucker John Gilmore and his friends
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I suspect that most of the cretins who shill for Timmy May and don't otherwise say anything are actually his tenticles. (He has no testicles.) >Received: (qmail 2304 invoked by uid 0); 26 Dec 1996 14:41:12 -0000 >Received: from stm-ct7-09.ix.netcom.com (205.184.161.41) by netaddress.usa.net via mtad (2.0) on Thu Dec 26 07:41:10 1996 (-700) >Message-Id: <3.0.16.19961226093417.506f2fb4(a)pop.netaddress.com> >X-Sender: iverson(a)pop.netaddress.com >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) >Date: Thu, 26 Dec 1996 09:35:12 -0500 >To: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com >From: Casey Iverson <iverson(a)usa.net> >Subject: A new beginning >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >At 12:11 AM 12/26/96 -0800, the asshole russian mutant, who thinks we >don't know he is posting this shit anonymously, spewed out: > >>Tim C[unt] May styles his facial hair to look more like pubic hair. > >Just remember dick brain, what goes around, comes around. > >*Your* time is near. >

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Re: IDEA: "Site Cloaking" Technology
by Alexander Chislenko 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anybody would care to comment on this? At 11:43 AM 12/26/96 -0800, Chris Hind <chind(a)juno.com> wrote on the Extropian list: >A few weeks ago, I came up with this idea for a new technique I like to >call "Site Cloaking". It's possible to create a Perl CGI script that would >grab a file or webpage from another site & display it for the user without >telling the user the original location like a proxy. This way you could put >a CGI script on your website with links to country-specific censored texts >or webpages and not tell anyone the site locations so that they can't shut >them down. A person could put up a so-called subversive webpage in that >specific country and tell this proxy the address and thus protect the site >without giving out it's real address forcing the ISPs in that country to >scan ALL WEBPAGES on their servers making the process more difficult. You >could put up any so-called subversive and censored information on your >webpage and people could access them without getting shutdown because only >the CGI script would know where the source site is and you could even >cipher the script's site list so even the owner of the proxy website can't >locate the sites. You could then have a website or even a web search tool >where you'd load all these sites into and acquire even more sites because >you'd be offering protection and the sites would stay up indefinately. If >the FEDS get pissed, simply wipe the file and the list is gone but the >sites remain. > >A person I talked to over IRC claimed that a CGI Perl script such as this >isn't all that difficult to do but I myself have zero experience in >programming Perl. Perhaps someone on this list who can program in Perl can >try it? > >"Some people dream about worthy accomplishments while others stay > awake and do them." > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- >Chris Hind (chind(a)juno.com) Upward, Outward, ACTION! >NeoReality (Personal) http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6810/ >Ethereal Outlook (Extropian) >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/6810/outlook.htm > > This seems complimentary to anonymous browsing (e.g., www.anonymizer.com) I doubt that ciphering the site list can assure that the site can't be found, as somebody could match incoming and outgoing requests. A chain of "Anonymous Rewebbers" / Recloakers could help here. An important thing here would be to make sure that the search engines can still find the sites. Other difficulties would be caching and getting credits for ads. Do you think it's worth doing? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Alexander Chislenko Home page: <http://www.lucifer.com/~sasha/home.html> Firefly Website recommendations: <http://my.yahoo.com> ---> "Firefly" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Earn Extra Income
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17 Dec '03

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