December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: [crypto] Avatar Protection?
by AJ Barrett 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:13 PM 12/4/96 -0500, e$pam wrote: <snip> This sounds like a good argument for the crypto "watermark" idea that was discussed a few times earlier on the list. I think it goes something like this: The document/avatar/code/whatever has a crypto identifier embedded in it that can be extracted to verify ownership. Perhaps a good analogy might be a steganographic application. > The problem is this: Is there a way for a user to "view" the client's > avatar (and in this sense, the user usually has to receive a copy > of the code to render the avatar and render it on the local machine) > but not save a copy? Assume that a client with no save feature > is not a viable option...too easy to work around. Yep. Even the "eyes only" setting in PGP is no good if the recipient is savvy enough to cut and paste the plaintext to the clipboard. -- Sincerely, AJ Barrett <abarrett(a)checkfree.com> Product Analyst CheckFree Corporation: The Way Money Moves http://www.checkfree.com

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Bank Of America To Launch Internet Banking System 12/02/96
by reagle＠rpcp.mit.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

TOKYO, JAPAN, 1996 DEC 2 (NB) -- By Martyn Williams. Bank of America is due to offer its credit card customers the ability to perform basic account transactions via the Internet next year. The bank will be using a system currently under development by Hitachi Ltd. and Bank of America subsidiary Concorde Solutions, a Hitachi spokeswoman confirmed to Newsbytes today. "The new system will enable credit card transactions via the Internet," said Hitachi's Emi Takase. "Bank of America is aiming to market the system from August, 1997." Customers should be able to check credit card balances and account details, apply for credit limit increases, and many of the other actions that a telephone is currently used for. Concorde Solutions, a company 70 percent owned by Bank of America, will develop the application for users with Hitachi. It will run on top of the Japanese company's TP Broker system, an object request broker that was developed with Visigenic Software Inc. Launch customer for the system will be Concorde parent Bank of America, but plans are for the system to be marketed to other banks. "The product will be sold by both companies afterwards," said Takase. (19961202/Press contact: Emi Takase, Hitachi Ltd., +81-3-3258-2055, fax +81-3-3258-5480, e-mail emi(a)cm.head.hitachi.co.jp; Reported By Newsbytes News Network: http://www.newsbytes.com) -- C O P Y R I G H T * R E M I N D E R This article is Copyright 1996 by Newsbytes News Network. All articles in the clari.* news hierarchy are Copyrighted and licensed to ClariNet Communications Corp. for distribution. Except for articles in the biz.clarinet.sample newsgroup, only paid subscribers may access these articles. Any unauthorized access, reproduction or transmission is strictly prohibited. We offer a reward to the person who first provides us with information that helps stop those who distribute or receive our news feeds without authorization. Please send reports to reward(a)clari.net. [Use info(a)clari.net for sales or other inquiries.] Details on use of ClariNet material and other info can be found in the user documentation section of our web page: <http://www.clari.net>. You can also read ClariNet news from your Web browser.

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Re: [crypto] Avatar Protection?
by Ryan Russell/SYBASE 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Even with a custom client, I suppose there's always a chance of pulling things out of RAM. How about a slightly different question: Is there a way to sign it such that it wouldn't work if the signature was removed, so there would be no question of who created it? I suppose this is analogous to: Is there a way to sign plaintext such that the plaintext can't be seen without the signature attached? I suppose not.. Is there a way to embed the signature as part of the code so it can't be removed? Ryan ---------- Previous Message ---------- To: Ryan.Russell cc: cypherpunks From: deviant @ pooh-corner.com (The Deviant) @ smtp Date: 12/05/96 04:24:15 AM Subject: Re: [crypto] Avatar Protection? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On 4 Dec 1996, Ryan Russell/SYBASE wrote: > A graphic-designer friend of mine and I were talking > about VRML avatars, and custom design work, and > could he offer a service designing them etc... > > His worry is that since everyone in the same virtual > environment as his customer would see the designer > avatar, wouldn't they also be able to easily rip off > his work? (or his customer's property, take your pick.) > > I wasn't sure...it seems to me that I read something vaguely > along these lines for a cryptography protocol of some sort.. > The problem is this: Is there a way for a user to "view" the client's > avatar (and in this sense, the user usually has to receive a copy > of the code to render the avatar and render it on the local machine) > but not save a copy? Assume that a client with no save feature > is not a viable option...too easy to work around. Well, its concievable to write your own client, and make the code such that it only works with that client... I know, it kindof sucks, doesn't it? > > I suppose an analogy would be: Is there a way for a person to > see the plaintext, but not record it? I think that question really > answers itself - no. How about alternatives? If the server > of the environment only renders "views" (say, certain angles, or > a bitmap) of the avatar, rather than sending the description file? > > Any other thoughts? > > Ryan > --Deviant PGP KeyID = E820F015 Fingerprint = 3D6AAB628E3DFAA9 F7D35736ABC56D39 "First things first -- but not necessarily in that order" -- The Doctor, "Doctor Who" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMqZOczCdEh3oIPAVAQHEAwf+IZ4KzMjcmb8t/HTMBvp83ChZ0VLS6xa3 +OwtpvkVGnuD4AJ+ayvDS10u4oAx78OillYDPolz6Gpnv0L+KDseo0sz7Yhgvepp HwUw4UqMDBu9BMfkITFs6IS773EIgC8JmIf8/u6xEH/tvUjl44RQlgX+YE1Ybhvq cGo3dF60fdiYzmoYvYESrMo9ldr97bImSjUE46bd4ZrtHjVTqDB75r9Uhb38SPWD SdEi6rdC4sX1dY9zdJHIruhIM5BBpZcHX9Vo8cOSvzZY1s7rHXVQgb34rIcUcx7T 2GJTeJsTS2boi9O0urkKW8FIZtq82AnBk5WsavRtEIw0O5pC0jhR2g== =aWWo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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HP
by Vipul Ved Prakash 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> HP UNVEILS NEW CRYPTO CONTROL FRAMEWORK > > Hewlett-Packard announced a new framework technology designed to let > governments enable and disable strong cryptography products. The > framework is independent of the method used in a given product. The > heart of the system is a small, tamper-resistant module with the > cryptographic algorithms that remain dormant until activated. A policy > activation token (basically some key bits) can be used to choose > between the various crypto algorithms stored on the module. The HP > press release makes this sound like the greatest thing since public > key encryption, but in reality it appears to be just another attempt > to insert government control into private data exchanges. Look for > legislative attempts to make this technology mandatory on all > encryption products. Technology details are at the site. > <URL:http://www.dmo.hp.com/gsy/security/icf/main.html> > > > > NETSURFER DIGEST (c)1996 Netsurfer Communications, Inc. > All rights reserved. > > NETSURFER DIGEST is a trademark of Netsurfer Communications, Inc. > -- Vipul Ved Prakash | - Electronic Security & Crypto vipul(a)pobox.com | - Internet & Intranets 91 11 2233328 | - Web Development & PERL 198 Madhuban IP Extension | - Linux & Open Systems Delhi, INDIA 110 092 | - (Networked) Multimedia

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Nice use of crypto...
by Adam philipp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

While browsing for some JAVA material I can across the following article that seems like a real nice application of crypto. What is it? Oh, you can just click on the URL and find out... its 4am and I'm too tired to give a precis. http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-12-1996/jw-12-int.property.html Adam, Esq. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-\ | My PGP key is available on my |Unauthorized interception violates | | home page: http://www.rosa.com |federal law (18 USC Section 2700 et| |=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|seq.). In any case, PGP encrypted | |SUB ROSA...see home page... |communications are preferred for | | -=[ FUCK THE CDA]=- |sensitive materials. | \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-/ If A is a success in life, then A = x + y + z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut. Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

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Dimitri IS Detweiler
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dimitri Vulis wrote: | He he he what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander blah blah ^^^^^^^^ | blah intellectual dishonesty blah blah blah typical logorrhetic "cypher | punk" can't spell his own nym politely. There we have it! PROOF that Dimitri is a tentacle of Detweiler. Own up Dimitri! (sorry for the previous accusation Dale)

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Re: Laptops and TEMPEST
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 01:44 AM 12/5/96 -0800, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: >Take a basic television with big rabbit-ear antennas. >Tune to the football game on Channel 6. >Take your AT&T Globalyst 250P (which is a gray NEC Versa with a Death Star), >with the 16-million-color 640x480 screen in 65536-color mode, >and pop up a DOS command window in white-on-black. >Type a few lines of text, then look at the TV. > >The sync wasn't quite right, but there were about three copies of >my DOS window. It may have been scrolling slowly vertically or horizontally, >but it was relatively readable given the lack of resolution of the screen. >A good receiver run by a Bad Guy ought to be able to set its scan rates >correctly to pick up the screen at better resolution. >There are obviously more variables to be explored, but other people >who were present at the time considered the football game to be >more important :-) Wow! I am amazed the FCC has not come down hard on AT&T for something that noisy. (I have run my system with an open case and never gotten interference that bad.) <paranoia> Or maybe it is a plot to keep an eye on Matt Blaze. ("Here... Have this free company laptop!") </paranoia> Now the truly paranoia will not only cover their heads with tinfoil, they will cover their laptops as well. But seriously, it does not sound good. I know there is specialized equiptment used by ham radio operators to locate leakage of radio frequencies. Maybe someone could use it to find who the worst offenders are and how bad the problem is. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMqb8n+QCP3v30CeZAQEe5gf/WWxP6BSq17o9OPUXu2bu4DNPldb42CpB 2QHFs2N3VKymiOa1wQH7E4XyeKZzsZQdt8d6fpl12t+jMS9XqMi+2uaQNQ9IeMDG UVAc04La/MTVCeL+SkxZUfHSp618cB/QNRT9l7MpcplfCmnhODNx06i9De7MDfnc 4zSRLMZ0mXzoOl0tKunRGSGKDVn5Yh/3Lxdk2KwR3ITUrhiENowEvBaLithv5jYG GXdUzQwoMfEZ+rHhHJuXB0TQT4KtyrsnpNLrkH2h16j2kIp9fO05+mh9Ef2UYWgo TeIiHal3BjZ537hmF2JpUd7ShJYhooDrKOHRXAoaMhg5ny87FTtq4g== =Las6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- | "Spam is the Devil's toothpaste!" - stuart(a)teleport.com | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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Re: Laptops, TEMPEST, chewing gum, and baling wire
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:18 PM 12/5/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 11:52 AM -0800 12/5/96, Alan Olsen wrote: > >>Now the truly paranoia will not only cover their heads with tinfoil, they >>will cover their laptops as well. > >Just be careful to remove the tinfoil prior to leaving the country. As you >know, tinfoil is an ITAR-controlled item. "Curses! Foiled again!" --- | "Spam is the Devil's toothpaste!" - stuart(a)teleport.com | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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New DCSB list for announcements
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 15:38:01 -0500 (EST) From: Rich Lethin <lethin(a)ai.mit.edu> To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: New DCSB list for announcements Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Rich Lethin <lethin(a)ai.mit.edu> By request, I've created a new DCSB mailing list, dcsb-announce(a)ai.mit.edu which will be for DCSB-related announcements, only. The ability to post to the list will be restricted by Majordomo. Subscriptions are for folks who can't/don't/won't paw through the talk on the normal DCSB mailing list and digest, but would like to hear about upcoming lunches. Because the lunch announcements will be sent to both the dcsb-announce and dcsb lists, there's no need to be on both. To subscribe, send an email To: dcsb-announce-request(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: irrelevant subscribe Rich ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe from this list, send a letter to: Majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb If you have questions, write to me at Owner-DCSB(a)ai.mit.edu --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/

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Re: Laptops and TEMPEST
by Joel McNamara 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Thinking that LCD screens reduce the risks of emanation monitoring is a dangerous misconception (at least under a high threat model). LCDs' current requirements are pretty small, and they only emanate a low magentic and electrical field. However, the gotcha with current laptops is their backlighting. Electric and magnetic fields are considerably higher compared with a low-res/contrast device. There are documents that circulate within certain security circles that list just how noisy (and therefore easy to monitor) various off-the-shelf machines are. It would be an interesting project for some ham radio type Cypherpunks to measure their machines, and publish the results. Or, for some well connected person just to scan and anonymously post such a document to the list. Of course, I'd never encourage anyone to do something illegal. Joel

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RE: Silence is not assent (re the Vulis nonsense)
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Dale Thorn ... I believe that my idea above [asking John Gilmore to speak up, and if he doesn't, say to the list that he has declined to do so] is still a great idea (if the subscribers are not afraid of confrontation), as it would tend to force the issue more into the open. I don't know what you mean by "forcing the issue more into the open". Do you mean the issue of John' s not replying, or of censorship per se? If you mean "forcing the issue of John not defending himself on the list", I don't see where the issue needs to be forced. John has rarely posted to the list since it started, and typically only announcements of events or crypto papers/conferences, etc.; he does not engage in the discussions at all. I personally have no argument with his decision over when he posts or what he cares to post about, or how much or how little. My own interest in the list has nothing to do with whether the list owner is moved to defend himself or not. I'm free to roam at will, read or delete, post or unsubscribe, publicly and loudly or privately & quietly. I don't feel constrained in any way, shape or form to stay or go or speak or stay quiet. I make all my own decisions about this and John never knows nor, I expect, suffers any concern over it. And vice-versa. I (and apparently many others) do not feel the need to discuss John's decisions. I, and others, are not bound, like geese flying in formation, to follow his lead, nor are we going to fall apart at a loss for direction if he fails to "show up". You mention what "others had overlooked". How about this: Tim May sent a message the other day stating (in essence) that the whole "censorship" thing was pretty much a size (rather than content) problem. I posted that notion twice, and there has been *no* discussion of it, as far as I know. Too bad Tim didn't post that at the beginning of the affair, since everyone apparently reads *his* mail. What I meant by what "others had overlooked" was in regard of the content of posted messages which I have read, not in regard of *which* poster's messages are overlooked/not read by others. Tim can have whatever opinion he likes about censorship or size or content, and none of us are under any obligation to either agree or disagree with him. On a libertarian/anarcho-capitalistic list like this, the individuals who have elected to join and lurk or post are not expected to do anything but follow their interest. There are more than 1200 subscribers to the list; if each and everyone of them had decided they had something to say to each other about the concept of the rights of the person whose computer these messages are all flowing through, that would have been their fortunate privilege to do, as no one has put any limit to the number of messages allowed, from any one, during any particular period of time. (Of course they would all be expecting not only that their particular message would be read, but that everyone would absorb their wisdom, right. Not!) >Frankly, most of the long-time members of the list would not need any > such statements of defense from John in order to appreciate the nature > of the circumstance and the reasoning for his symbolic 'censorship'. I apologize in advance for this one, but I honestly think that statement says more about acceptance of the Iron Boot principle than it says about what really happened. I for one am not an insider in any of the various cliques that surround this list, so perhaps I missed something that would explain it better to me. I suppose you are referring to an unspoken understanding, but again, and for future reference, you might want to consider the non-long-time members and speak the unspoken, as it were. What really happened is that, upon weighing the relative merits of John's action vs Vulis' contributions, what John did was seen as more of a benefit than a detriment, and this dimmed any arguments which might have been raised against it. It's not like everyone was clammoring for the privilege of reading what Vulis had to say or there aren't any other avenues to getting his literary works. The "unspoken" understanding on the list is that it was started by a couple of guys who happen to be very libertarian/cryptoanarchist in their philosophy of life (not simply as it applies to cryptography, but rather as cryptography relates to that philosophy). I put "unspoken" in quotes because there have been no end of discussion and comments and replies and retorts and flames on this very subject in the past years since I've been on the list (Oct '93, and it is actually what attracted me to subscribing), so it has hardly gone unmentioned and to many is no surprise, although is often difficult to for them to see or agree with. I recommend that you go through the archives and do a little light reading. Your mind will soon be saturated with the flavor of the underlying theme, and you will Understand. .. Blanc

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(no subject)
by Andrew Fairbanks 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsuscribe cypherpunks

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RE: [crypto] Avatar Protection?
by Mullen Patrick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

_______________________________________________________________________________ From: Nelson Minar on Thu, Dec 5, 1996 19:00 >Ah, the age-old question. This is the same question as "is there a way >for me to show a web page to someone and not let them copy it?", As a sidelight to this thread which has already strewn far from the [crypto] heading, it *is* possible to show a web page to someone w/out letting them copy it. Some guy in California, who touts the fact he has "every foul word known to man" on his site (to generate more hits) has (I believe developed/worked to help develop) a product which does so. I don't know how he does it, and I know there are ways around it through sniffing, etc., but when you do the trivial act of "View Source" in Netscape, a filtered version is displayed in the source window. While it's really not possible (AFAIK) to eliminate unwanted copying by a person who knows what they're doing, this works against people who don't (like most people). If anyone's interested, I *might* be able to find the URL somewhere. PM

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Crypto hits the mainstream
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PC Magazine's web site has a prominent article reviewing four PC-based crypto apps: they all seem to be oriented towards storage security not communications security (to adopt Tim's taxonomy). The apps are from Symantec, RSA, AT&T, and PGP; their "Editors' Choice" was Symantec's program, followed closely by RSA's. They seem more concerned with speed and user interface rather than the strength of the algorithms or their implementations. The article won't teach anyone who's read Applied Crypto anything new about crypto, but it's neat to see that security is becoming a mainstream concern. (It should have always been one.) There may very well be an associated dead-tree version of the article as well, but I've lost touch with the PC market. The article is located at <http://www.pcmag.com/features/crypto/_open.htm>. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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PGP Tools for Linux
by Mark Grant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Now that I'm back in Europe I've been able to do some more work on Privtool (PGP-aware mail-reader for X11 on SunOS/Solaris, Linux and FreeBSD) and should be releasing version 0.86 once I've fixed the last segmentation fault (see my Web site for details of the latest changes). In the meantime I've finally got around to fixing one of the early PGP Tools versions that escaped to Europe so that it works on Linux (and probably FreeBSD). I'm just about to upload pgptools.linux.1.0.tar.gz to utopia.hacktic.nl and idea.sec.dsi.unimi.it, so it should be available there shortly. I'm not back on the list yet, so send any mail to this address. Mark |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |Mark Grant M.A., U.L.C. EMAIL: mark(a)unicorn.com | |WWW: http://www.c2.org/~mark MAILBOT: bot(a)unicorn.com | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

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Welcome to cryptography
by Majordomo＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 3:28 PM 12/4/1996, Andrew Loewenstern wrote: >nobody writes: >> She is seen as "one of us" because she wrote a book on >> cryptography. As a consequence, she is seen as a traitor. >> I am not endorsing this view. > >She didn't just write a book on cryptography, but several books. She is also >the Chairperson (eek, PC titles...) of the CS department at Georgetown, a >very respectable institution, and has taught classes there on cryptology. She >has also done research on crytpographic access control to databases and other >stuff. So as far as being a cryptologist she is quite learned and should >deserve respect regardless of her political views. > >However, after reviewing the Skipjack algorithm (of course her being invited >to look at it was certainly due to her anti-strong-crypto-for-the-masses >views), she said something to the effect of "We looked at it over the weekend >and couldn't find anything wrong with it, so you should trust it." when she >knows damned well that you can't evaluate a cypher in three days. It is for >this that she no longer deserves respect as a cryptologist. She basically >cashed in her reputation-capital to help the U.S. Govt. dupe the American >people into buying Clipper. Fortunately, we didn't buy it. You make an excellent point. Didn't Denning claim that they just reviewed NSA's evaluation process? Regardless, the claim that SKIPJACK is therefore trustworthy is irresponsible. Sir Galahad

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Re: Laptops and TEMPEST
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:18 PM 12/5/96 -0800, Joel McNamara wrote: >Thinking that LCD screens reduce the risks of emanation monitoring is a >dangerous misconception (at least under a high threat model). I disagree that it's a "dangerous misconception" to believe that "LCD screens reduce the risks of emanation." While it might be correct to say that it would be dangerous to believe that they ELIMINATE the risks, LCD displays would make it exceedingly difficult to read the screen remotely. The main reason is that the LCD segments are activated in parallel, which means that the electronic noise associated with a particular row is a smeared product of each portion of the display. This is quite unlike CRT's, in which individual pixel information is completely (well, except for color) demultiplexed by time. > However, the gotcha with current laptops is their >backlighting. Electric and magnetic fields are considerably higher >compared with a low-res/contrast device. What does the backlighting have to do with anything? The backlight and its noise is not modulated (at least, not in anything less than the optical band) by the imformation provided on the screen. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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17 Dec '03

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Re: The Science Generations
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Thu, 5 Dec 1996 22:10:04 -0800, Jamie Lawrence wrote: >> I'm not sure if Gilbert chemistry sets went off the market for liablity >> reasons, or for "lack of interest." The "4-banger" I had in 1961, >> supplemented with varius Bunsen burners, arc furnaces, Erlenmayer flasks, >> and whatnot, was amazing for its time. (And not terribly expensive, in case >> some of the "social democrats" on this list are thinking I lived a >I can provide a datapoint here. I started getting into chemistry >when I was about 8, which was in 1981. I can't remember the brand >name, but my first (and last, actually) 'value-added' kit was >designed to keep kids from doing anything that could be >dangerous, a fact tactfully explained on the packaging. Or how about those TrashShack kits everyone buys a science-oriented kid (until you warn them not to)? Geez. It's about as fun as one of those slide-show demo programs. >To solve that problem, my mother gave me an Edmund Scientific >catalog and a (severely limited, given my family background) >budget for whatever I wanted. >I ordered direct for supplies from then on. Gee, you too? I probably could have broke the $30k mark, though, if given the chance. Still could, easily, but it'd be Computer Shopper now. >computers as a daily part of their work. You can run, but you can't >hide. Hehe ... Person one: "And they [computer illiterates] will call us" Person two: "Secretaries" Bonus points if you get the reference. >> get the point. Being 44 years old, and almost 45, I claim no knowledge >> about what the "latest generation" is all about. Maybe it's the "Beavis and >> Butthead" generation...I don't know.) >Yes, many of us are devoted to the study of Brute Force Insect >Dissection. Many others are devoted to "the study of Chaotic systems involving realtime exothermic reactions with common household substances". (Pyromania might not be a bad sub title) Others still are most interested in Brute Force Wallet Extraction. Or, of course, the ever popular: Members of the Opposite Sex and How to Attract Them. # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # <cadams(a)acucobol.com> | send mail with subject "send PGPKEY" "That's our advantage at Microsoft; we set the standards and we can change them." --- Karen Hargrove, Microsoft (quoted in the Feb 1993 Unix Review editorial)

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SMILE :)
by angie＠cpci.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: Silence is not assent (re the Vulis nonsense)
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, I see that my email came out a bit skewed, so I'm reformatting a bit and resending to make it more readable: ----------------------------------------------- From: Dale Thorn ... I believe that my idea above [asking John Gilmore to speak up, and if he doesn't, say to the list that he has declined to do so] is still a great idea (if the subscribers are not afraid of confrontation), as it would tend to force the issue more into the open. I don't know what you mean by "forcing the issue more into the open". Do you mean the issue of John' s not replying, or of censorship per se? If you mean "forcing the issue of John not defending himself on the list", I don't see where the issue needs to be forced. John has rarely posted to the list since it started, and typically only announcements of events or crypto papers/conferences, etc.; he does not engage in the discussions at all. I personally have no argument with his decision over when he posts or what he cares to post about, or how much or how little. My own interest in the list has nothing to do with whether the list owner is moved to defend himself or not. I'm free to roam at will, read or delete, post or unsubscribe, publicly and loudly or privately & quietly. I don't feel constrained in any way, shape or form to stay or go or speak or stay quiet. I make all my own decisions about this and John never knows nor, I expect, suffers any concern over it. And vice-versa. I (and apparently many others) do not feel the need to discuss John's decisions. I, and others, are not bound, like geese flying in formation, to follow his lead, nor are we going to fall apart at a loss for direction if he fails to "show up". You mention what "others had overlooked". How about this: Tim May sent a message the other day stating (in essence) that the whole "censorship" thing was pretty much a size (rather than content) problem. I posted that notion twice, and there has been *no* discussion of it, as far as I know. Too bad Tim didn't post that at the beginning of the affair, since everyone apparently reads *his* mail. What I meant by what "others had overlooked" was in regard of the content of posted messages which I have read, not in regard of *which* poster's messages are overlooked/not read by others. Tim can have whatever opinion he likes about censorship or size or content, and none of us are under any obligation to either agree or disagree with him. On a libertarian/anarcho-capitalistic list like this, the individuals who have elected to join and lurk or post are not expected to do anything but follow their interest. There are more than 1200 subscribers to the list; if each and everyone of them had decided they had something to say to each other about the concept of the rights of the person whose computer these messages are all flowing through, that would have been their fortunate privilege to do, as no one has put any limit to the number of messages allowed, from any one, during any particular period of time. (Of course they would all be expecting not only that their particular message would be read, but that everyone would absorb their wisdom, right. Not!) >Frankly, most of the long-time members of the list >would not need any such statements of defense from >John in order to appreciate the nature of the >circumstance and the reasoning for his symbolic >'censorship'. I apologize in advance for this one, but I honestly think that statement says more about acceptance of the Iron Boot principle than it says about what really happened. I for one am not an insider in any of the various cliques that surround this list, so perhaps I missed something that would explain it better to me. I suppose you are referring to an unspoken understanding, but again, and for future reference, you might want to consider the non-long-time members and speak the unspoken, as it were. What really happened is that, upon weighing the relative merits of John's action vs Vulis' contributions, what John did was seen as more of a benefit than a detriment, and this dimmed any arguments which might have been raised against it. It's not like everyone was clammoring for the privilege of reading what Vulis had to say or there aren't any other avenues to getting his literary works. The "unspoken" understanding on the list is that it was started by a couple of guys who happen to be very libertarian/cryptoanarchist in their philosophy of life (not simply as it applies to cryptography, but rather as cryptography relates to that philosophy). I put "unspoken" in quotes because there have been no end of discussion and comments and replies and retorts and flames on this very subject in the past years since I've been on the list (Oct '93, and it is actually what attracted me to subscribing), so it has hardly gone unmentioned and to many is no surprise, although is often difficult for them to see or agree with. I recommend that you go through the archives and do a little light reading. Your mind will soon be saturated with the flavor of the underlying theme, and you will Understand. .. Blanc

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Re: Stinger Specs
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Stinger (AIM-92) (Jane's #: 6604.331) >152 x 7-14 cm (l x d - span) >Weight: 18 kg >Warhead: HE >Propulsion: Solid >Range: 2-4 km >Guidance: IR > >Exact effective range / altitude is not listed in the quick guide I have >on my desk. I will pull it out of a larger volume when I have time. > When I was doing my undergraduate work several of us built a heat-seeking and homing circuit which we subsequently tested in a small (24-inch) solid propellent rocket. Four CO-2 cooled germanium sensors picked up radiation from a small flat-topped piramidal mirror which drove fin servos to 'null' onto (place its image atop the piramid) the heat source. One evening we were able to 'shoot down' a lit cigarette tied to fence up in the hills near the college from a distance of about 1/4-mile. For some time we considered making available 'Visible Missile" plans/kits, for a few hundred dollars, which had everything except the easily obtained zinc-sulphur propellent (would this be illegal given the laws passed since the '70s?) so those interested in IR missile technology could learn from a functioning testbed. I did quite a bit of serious amateur rocketry in my teen years through the Northrup Rocketry Club (So. Cal) and launches at a site near Edwards AFB (they were happy to track our launches and make sure there was no aircraft hazzard). Our 24-inch rockets reached speeds of over 1000 mph in about 1 second and altitudes of about 10,000 ft. 48-inch rockets (still small enough for shoulder launch) could reach over Mach 2 and altitude/ranges of about 50,000 ft (all figures insignificant payloads). I'm certain I and many of my friends got much of our interest for math and science and subsequent academic success from such hands-on activities which were encouraged or supported by teachers, parents, corporations and the government. We were forced to solve real chemistry, math, engineering, physics and material science problems. This has all vanished is our zeal to protect youth and society from any activity which might lead injury or misuse. I can't even find a place to buy a niece a real chemistry set as tort laws have forced them from the market. When considering the plumeting interest and achievement of our youth in math and science we look nor further for a reason. -- Steve

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Encryption/data-changing in russia
by Benjamin Grosman 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dear All, whilst on the subject of PGP in Russia, I encountered something very interesting. A friend of mine who is Russian, but lives out here, frequently corresponds with friends in Russia via email, and in the course of sending emai, they occasionally send an attachment. However, the attachment that _all_ his russian friends send, including the ones who use MIME capable email clients such as Eudora, always, _always_, uuencode files, and they say they can't do MIME. I am wondering if the encryption/data-changing laws in Russia are so strict as to disallow MIME encoding even, but still allows UU for some reason? Any clues as to this? Yours Sincerely, Benjamin Grosman

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Re: Stinger Specs
by Lucky Green 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:08 PM 12/5/96 -0800, Steve Schear wrote: >This has all vanished is our zeal >to protect youth and society from any activity which might lead injury or >misuse. I can't even find a place to buy a niece a real chemistry set as >tort laws have forced them from the market. When considering the plumeting >interest and achievement of our youth in math and science we look nor >further for a reason. When Wernher von Braun (if the reader doesn't know who von Braun was, shame on your teachers. Hint: first human on the Moon.) first became interested in rocketry, he was a student of music. Classical piano, to be exact. He got his hands on a book about using rockets for space exploration. To his dismay, the book was full of mathematical equations. He went to his math teacher, asking him for help with the equations. The teacher must have been of help, since von Braun went on to become the single most knowledgable person in his field. And no, it wasn't piano playing. There is nothing like some real life challenges to spark a young person's mind. Today, conducting the experiments that fueled von Braun's imagination would be a felony. The mere posession of the chemicals he used in his early twenties is illegal. This country has set out on a project to dumb the minds of its young. With great success. -- Lucky Green <mailto:shamrock@netcom.com> PGP encrypted mail preferred Make your mark in the history of mathematics. Use the spare cycles of your PC/PPC/UNIX box to help find a new prime. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/justforfun/prime.htm

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Ira Magaziner: FREE Internet
by attila＠primenet.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Just posted an hour ago on CNN I don't believe it! Ira Magaziner's interagency task for recommended that the Internet be a free zone, duty free, and to try and persuade all countries not to limit speech, encryption, etc. two days in a row: first the SPA changed course and really balked, and now this from an ultra-liberal! maybe there is such a thing as a spark of freedom in the gathering darkness! <a href="http://www.cnn.com/TECH/9612/05/clinton.internet.reut/index.html"> Ira Magaziner Task force recommends Free Zone Internet </a> ===CNN post follows=== <html><head><title> Magaziner recommends Free Internet </a></title></head> <body> <H1>Clinton advisers urge free market approach for Internet</H1> December 5, 1996 Web posted at: 10:30 p.m. EST WASHINGTON (Reuter) -- The Internet could provide a huge boost to the U.S. economy if the federal government pursues "free market" policies in cyberspace, a group of President Clinton's top advisers said in a draft report obtained by Reuters. The group, an interagency task force headed by senior presidential adviser Ira Magaziner, recommended the administration work globally to protect the Internet from new taxes, censorship and other onerous forms of regulation. After seven months of deliberations, the task force is preparing to issue for public comment a report of principles and policies the Unites States should pursue, Magaziner said in an interview. "One of the things we're trying to do with this paper is as much say what government should not do as say what they should do," Magaziner said."A lot of what industry is concerned about is that governments are already beginning to take actions around the world that would inhibit commerce." The growth of Internet commerce could help boost U.S. exports of everything from movies and news to software and consulting services. Exports of such products totaled $40 billion in 1995, the draft report noted. The idea is to hitch U.S. exports to the speeding Internet commerce train. Sales of goods and services online are projected to grow to $7 billion in the year 2000, from about $1 billion this year, according to market researchers at Jupiter Communications. "Companies have told us there would be a tremendous potential to increase world trade across the Internet if we could provide the right kind of environment," Magaziner said. The draft report, called "A Framework for Global Electronic Commerce," covers nine issues, from taxation and customs to privacy and security. On taxation, the draft report echoes a report issued by the Treasury Department last month by stating no new taxes should be imposed. Acting through the World Trade Organization,the United States should push for the Internet to be designated a duty-free zone, the draft said. Some consumers worry their privacy will be violated when they shop online. he report said governments should push vendors to disclose what will be done with information about consumers rather than dictate to merchants what they can or cannot do with the data. On some issues, such as encryption -- encoding information in a scrambled format to provide a measure of security or privacy -- existing administration policies may be seen as conflicting with the free market approach of the draft report. Copyright 1996 <a href="http:/www.ccn.com/interactive_legal.html#Reuters"> Reuters Limited </a>. All rights reserved. </body></html> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMqewuL04kQrCC2kFAQH7eAP+L4Fk1sZgMl/YhufgluegE5Xo7nCvSJ8u rqhgBGmvE1/rY1HacDFt/4a9SgXkEfNPohkQoGnFccx1jhgZpBKbx8SQrIPPboHh Indv5MJbvcdGYfTR0UKms1t0iCv0DiQgtyXMxvHWFVTzByaKLu4cuEgatlSmsIoK SfRT376DqLg= =SSQB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: (null)
by Adamsc＠io-online.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Wed, 04 Dec 1996 17:33:59 -0600, Lurker wrote: >Could someone tell me where I can find a text file of *all* usenet newsgroups? Check www.spam-monkeys.com. If you use a Un*x based newsreader, they should have some sort of .newsrc file available. # Chris Adams <adamsc(a)io-online.com> | http://www.io-online.com/adamsc/adamsc.htp # <cadams(a)acucobol.com> | send mail with subject "send PGPKEY" "That's our advantage at Microsoft; we set the standards and we can change them." --- Karen Hargrove, Microsoft (quoted in the Feb 1993 Unix Review editorial)

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RE: Arsen
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An unknown person asked: > >Arsen vainly insisted on listing his name in InterNIC's database as RA1215 > >(unusual for someone supposedly interested in privacy). Arsen listed a phone > >number (+1 718 786 4227) which is apparently at his parents' residence (48-2 > >40th St, Apt 2B, Calvary, NY 11104-4111) and a fax number (+1 212 725 6559). > > Where does one find information to recreate your research? I was all > over > InterNIC's websight but could not find anything on RA1215 or Arsen, let > alone > a phone number. Don't these information services rely on user > volunteering > information. If not, how do I make this information about myself > secure? Your tcp/ip package should have a program called 'whois', which goes to internic and searches its database. I'm not sure if MS includes it in NT or whatever you're using... If you can't find it, just telnet to internic.net or rs.internic.net port 43 (important!) and type the string you want to search for. Save the output - it closes the telnet connection after sending it. Yes, it relies on people supplying the information about themselves. Some folks are pretty paranoid about. E.g., fingering unicorn(a)uiuc.edu says: ]---------------------------------------- ] name: You may not view this field. ] department: You may not view this field. ] title: You may not view this field. ] phone: You may not view this field. ] address: You may not view this field. ] other: You may not view this field. ] email to: unicorn(a)uiuc.edu (Not present in entry.) ] public_key: ]You may not view this field. ]---------------------------------------- May not view the public key? Come on.

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Red Letter Day
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

An entirely on-topic post from Dimitri: >To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Subject: Re: PGP in Russia >From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) >Comments: All power to the ZOG! >Date: Thu, 05 Dec 96 16:36:33 EST >Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y. >Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com >Precedence: bulk > >harka(a)nycmetro.com writes: > >> Hi there, >> >> it's been asked before but I don't know the current answer: Is the use >> of PGP legal in Russia? And if it's not, how are the chances of a >> foreigner in Russia using it anyway to get away with it? > >Cryptography is outlawed in Russia (search the archives for my articles >circa April '95). You can probably get away with using it anyway, but >they just might make an example out of you. :-) > >--- > >Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The lottery is a tax on | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | those who can't do math. | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | - Who 1st said this? | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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Re: The Science Generations
by frantz＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 8:44 PM 12/5/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >* Generation 1: The kids of the 1920s-40s. The Ernest Lawrences and the >Robert Noyces, who grew up on farms, repairing tractors and farm machinery. >They learned about machinery at a direct level. These were the giants of >the post-war science community, and the founders of modern American chip >companies. > >* Generation 2: The Sputnik generation, of the 1950s-60s. They grew up with >Gilbert chemistry sets, Erector sets, "All About" books, and with constant >exposure to nuclear physics, relativily, molecular biology, etc. These were >the workers who staffed the companies formed by the Noyces and Moores of >the world, and the young scientists who pioneered the use of computers. > >* Generation 3: The computer generation. The 1970s-80s, who grew up with >Commodore PETs and Apple IIs (and some later machines). These are the "new >pioneers" of the 1980s-90s, the Marc Andreesens and the like. I am definitly from Generation 2. I have tried to interest my children in playing with ICs and various electronic pieces. I have also worked hand-in-hand with them, rebuilding auto engines and transmissions. We will see how it plays out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | The lottery is a tax on | Periwinkle -- Consulting (408)356-8506 | those who can't do math. | 16345 Englewood Ave. frantz(a)netcom.com | - Who 1st said this? | Los Gatos, CA 95032, USA

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cypher-PUNKS...
by jc105558＠spruce.hsu.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am writing this post to inform subcsribers of this list of the problems I have seen in this service. The number one problem being off subject discussion I understand that the name of this is cypherpunks, but why not put a little more cypher and a lot less punk. I can understand how it can all get started One person posts some intelligent information. Then another replys dissagreeing with the original sender. Then the sender takes it personally, and feels a need to flame the other. There is nothing wrong with flaming a bit, but for the name-sake of this mailer, please post more realevent (or at least interesting) information. Logos take a chill pill. You aren't a policeman. Tim May, do you have anything on subject to discuss? Allright, enough about that. I have a heard of a new encryption style called something like "Zone-redundant" and I was hoping if someone had any information on it? I think it is based on encrypting random pieces of encrypted data, but since I have very VERY little knowledge of the subject (hoping to learn a little from this mailer) I'm not sure. Does anyone have more information on the subject? - James - p.s. Logos, Tim May nothing personal, I hope.

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FW: Dimitri IS Detweiler
by Butler, Scott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Nobody wrote: > >Dimitri Vulis wrote: > >| He he he what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander blah blah > ^^^^^^^^ >| blah intellectual dishonesty blah blah blah typical logorrhetic "cypher >| punk" can't spell his own nym politely. > >There we have it! PROOF that Dimitri is a tentacle of Detweiler. >Own up Dimitri! (sorry for the previous accusation Dale) > If THAT (he he he) is proof that Dimitri is Lance Detwieler then using the same theory, so it Mutley the cartoon dog. Nobody wrote this......I wish they hadn't bothered! > >

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RE: PGP 5.0??
by pclow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ah! You got it! ---------- > ...and isn't all.net the site of the Good Doctor Fred Cohen?? andrew

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PGP DLLs for Windows
by Mark Grant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BTW, someone was looking for PGP DLLs for Windows. There is a PGP Tools DLL documented at http://www.cam.org/~droujav/pgp/pgplib.html, though I presume that's as patent-infringing in the US as PGP Tools. I haven't seen the code as it doesn't seem to have escaped to Europe yet. Mark |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |Mark Grant M.A., U.L.C. EMAIL: mark(a)unicorn.com | |WWW: http://www.c2.org/~mark MAILBOT: bot(a)unicorn.com | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|

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RE: encryption program
by Mullen Patrick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I'm looking for ciphertext analysis tools -- What analysis tools did you use? Where can I get a publicly available copy? Thanks! PM

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business marketing
by ubs95＠earthlink.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I_Love_SPAM, I saw your posting online and was wondering if you market products/services using your computer and would like to learn how to do so QUITE a bit better than what you are already doing? I use to use Floodgate, and I have come accross something that has really put this to shame! If you would like to see the information, just reply back at UBS95(a)IX.NETCOM.COM with the message: "No Flame" and I will send you the file that could mean the difference between success and failure in the online marketing world. Please do not hit reply......Just send your inquires to: ubs95(a)ix.netcom.com and include a note: "No Flame". Thank you! Sincerely, Carol Miller "You can give a man a fish, but it is far better to teach a man how to fish"

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Re:
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: "DAVID ARTHUR" <AJN(a)fs4.ucc.on.ca> > Organization: Upper Canada College > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 10:54:18 EST > Subject: > Priority: normal > unsribrive > Hvng troble weth dyxlesiaxia??? Try the following easy remedy... To unsubscribe from the cypherpunks mailing list: Send a message to majordomo(a)toad.com with the *MESSAGE BODY* reading exactly as follows: unsubscribe cypherpunks you(a)your.domain.com Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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sendmail-type thing for Windows
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Does anyone know of a simple program for windows that can, like sendmail, work as a mail agent ans send mail messages from its stdin? I am interested in sending email messages from Windoze boxes as part of some automated process driven by .BAT files. i.e., what I need is a program that I could invoke like this DOS> sendmail some(a)address.com From: sender(a)originator.com To: some(a)address.com Subject: hello hello

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FOX
by express＠capella.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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