December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

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by fgle＠sun1.uconect.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Anonymous Remailer at DHP.com
by Jill014＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated 97-01-01 18:55:24 EST, lucifer(a)dhp.com (Anonymous) writes: > Subj: Re: Anonymous Post Control > Date: 97-01-01 18:55:24 EST > From: lucifer(a)dhp.com (Anonymous) > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > > ph(a)netcom.com (Peter Hendrickson) writes: > > > It's hard to filter anonymous posters. I want to see what a few > > of them have to say so I can't filter on the remailers. > > > > If anonymous posters PGP sign their posts, it is still hard to filter > > using a lame filter software such as that which comes to Eudora. > > Anonymous users willing to PGP sign their posts could just use a > service like nym.alias.net (mailto:help@nym.alias.net), which even > allows pseudonyms to advertise their PGP keys via finger (slightly > better than the PGP key servers). > > When people post anonymously rather than pseudonymously, it is > generally because they don't want a blatant link between all of their > posts (though obviously analysis of writing style is still possible). > But why do you always use the anonymous remailer from DHP.com? Why do you not use other places? JIll > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Wed Jan 1 18:54:40 1997 > Return-Path: cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com > Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1]) by emin08.mail.aol.com (8.6. > 12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA26357; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 18:54:38 -0500 > Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA12907 > for cypherpunks-outgoing; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 14:25:53 -0800 (PST) > Received: from dhp.com (dhp.com [199.245.105.1]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) > with ESMTP id OAA12894 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 14:25:06 - > 0800 (PST) > Received: (from lucifer@localhost) by dhp.com (8.8.4/8.6.12) id RAA17460 for > cypherpunks(a)toad.com; Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:25:01 -0500 > Date: Wed, 1 Jan 1997 17:25:01 -0500 > Message-Id: <199701012225.RAA17460(a)dhp.com> > X-Authentication-Warning: dhp.com: lucifer set sender to lucifer(a)dhp.com > using -f > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > From: lucifer(a)dhp.com (Anonymous) > Comments: Please report misuse of this automated remailing service to < > lucifer(a)dhp.com>. > References: <v02140b0caeef4ce75c72(a)[192.0.2.1]> > Subject: Re: Anonymous Post Control > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk >

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Re: yawn
by BJORN2LUZE＠prodigy.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>> Someone please tell be what i must do to be banned from this list. I wil= >l >> refrain from describing the obvious idiocracy here. =20 >>=20 >Just who the fuck is this Acid rain guy, a newbie? If he is... FLOOD HIS MAIL BOX. - Goto: http://pages.prodigy. com/fifthnail/newbie.wav to download a kewlio WAV file.. it goes a little bit like this: 'Do I smell newbie?.. < guns start to fire... and he laughs >' it's a kewl wav file from the place where I found out how to get on this mailing list. http://pages.prodigy.com/fifthnail/maillist.htm GET ON MORE MAILING LIST! if you want to there are a ton more! >Doesn't this stupid bastard know that he is writing >to two different lists, and not just one? I donno. >>=20 >> ----=3D=3D=B7=B7=B7=B7=B7=B7=B7 =B7Acid.Rain=B7 =B7=B7=B7=B7=B7=B7=B7=3D= =3D--- >> http://www.scott.net/~acidrain/ >>=20 What a geek. >Dave, how the fuck did this acid rain asshole=20 >get on the Freedom Knights list? Mus' be on crank, you think? Whad'a cyber geek- TRASH HIM. Nail

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Increasing dangers facing journalists who 'name the bad guys'
by Butler, Anthony 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

DISCUSSION Increasing dangers should not deter journalists from 'naming the bad guys' TOPIC: "Frontlines and Deadlines: A View from the War Zones" SPEAKER Robert Fisk, correspondent, The Independent When John Owen first called me in Beirut and asked me to talk to you this morning about journalists under fire, several names immediately came to mind because they are colleagues and friends who proved how easy it is for a journalist to die in the Middle East: Bob Pfeffer, Larry Buchman, Sean Toolin, Clark Todd, Tewfig Ghazali and Bahij Metni. Bob Pfeffer worked for Stern and was investigating Palestinian gun-running when four members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine murdered him with automatic rifle fire outside the door of his home. Sean filed for The London Observer and was killed when two men, probably Palestinians, stabbed him to death by hitting him in the face with an ice pick on Abdul-Aziz Street, not far from my home. Clark stayed in the Druze village as the Phalange militia closed in on it, took a piece of shrapnel in the chest, wrote a last message to his wife on the pillowcase, and -- if one of the villagers I spoke to is to be believed -- was finished off by a Phalangist militiaman who shot him to death as he lay wounded on a sofa. Tewfig and Bahij were CBS cameramen blown, quite literally, to pieces by an Israeli tank shell which was fired, so the Israelis claimed, at what they called "terrorists." But I never imagined, when I originally wrote these first words for this talk, that I would find myself offering the name of another reporter who should have been sitting with us here this morning -- that of Veronica Guerin -- savagely murdered by hit men for a Dublin mafia boss. I worked in Ireland for five years and no man or woman there, back in the '70s, would ever kill a journalist. As one of Veronica's Irish colleagues said to me last night, "Everything has changed now. If it can happen once, it can happen again." A journalist, a mother, a great writer -- murdered because she had the guts to tell the truth. And the journalists who gather for Veronica's funeral tomorrow morning will feel anger and rage and pity and -- let us forgive them, for it applies to all of us when our colleagues die -- a little fear as well. In Algeria, almost 50 journalists have been killed, almost all of them working in the local press -- deliberately, grotesquely, their heads often severed from their backbones by men who call themselves Islamists, and who claimed the journalists worked for the military-backed government, even though some of those journalists had been imprisoned by that same government. My French colleague, Olivier Quemener, gave me a cheerful farewell in the Al Djezair hotel in Algiers a couple of years ago. He was off to the Casbah to film, he said. I was going to the Kouba district of the city. When I returned to our hotel, Quemener was dead -- shot in the chest and killed by a man who claimed he was an Islamist. His reporter, gravely wounded, was found lying, weeping beside his friend's body. In Bosnia, the cull of reporters and photographers and cameramen reached such proportions that we started armoring ourselves -- strapping 14 kilos of steel to our chests and backs and then curling ourselves into the bosoms of armored cars. A few weeks in Sarajevo and I realized why medieval knights had to be winched onto their horses by cranes. Running was so exhausting that I scarcely had the energy to file a report; the danger, so awful, that I was almost too frightened to perform the physical act of writing. We ask ourselves, of course, why we do it. Those of us who do not die find our own reasons. In a world of deceit, I believe we are among the few independent witnesses to history and to its wickedness. And although the risks are increasing as the old traditional protection bestowed upon journalists decays, I still believe we should be out there, naming the bad guys. In other words, I still think the risks are worth taking. But I use the word "think," and let me tell you why: Because weaponry is growing more sophisticated in the science of killing. Because we are not always supported by those who should wish to protect us but (who) instead ignore our requests for help or curse us for our attempt to tell the truth. Because journalists are being verbally targeted ever more assiduously by governments and pressure groups who wish to demean our work and prove that the risks we take are worthless. This may not be the message you expected to hear from me this morning, so let me, from my own experience, be more precise. Let's start with the weaponry. This is a tiny steel arrow. It was one of hundreds of equally tiny steel arrows packed into an Israeli tank shell that killed five civilians near the Lebanese town of Nabatea a couple of years ago. The shell is proximity-fused, timed to explode above the ground and turn any human beneath it to meat. These shells have been fired frequently over southern Lebanon. Since the danger of kidnapping by the Hezbollah (has subsided), these are my greatest fear and my greatest nightmare. And here is part of an aerial bomb dropped close to a U.N. convoy in which I was traveling in April, just a tiny bit of shrapnel that hissed over us, red-hot enough to sever a head or two. During that same Israeli offensive last April, set off when Hezbollah guerrillas fired Katyusha rockets into Israel after the killing of a Lebanese village boy by a bomb -- for which the Hezbollah claimed the Israelis were responsible and the Israelis said they were not -- Israeli gunboats shelled the coast road on which all of us journalists have to travel between Beirut and southern Lebanon. They were shooting, they said, at terrorists. Two American reporters and a British journalist asked their editors to make a demarche to the Israeli embassies in London and in Washington to protest the risk of death that their reporters were running at the hands of the Israelis in order to get the story. The British editor, not, I should add, my editor, declined to approach the Israelis because he said he didn't see the point. Both American editors refused to complain on their reporters' behalf because they said it would make no difference. In the end, it was we journalists in the field who had to discover that the Israeli gunboats cannot penetrate rain or fog with their radar. Thus, it was the pre-dawn mist off the sea and the decision to drive in rain squalls -- not editors -- which helped to save us. Now, I'll refer briefly to my paper, The Independent, which has loyally defended me and stood by my stories over many years. On the day of the Qana massacre, I spent seven hours under Israeli fire, had air strikes 250 meters from my location on three occasions and ended the day walking in the blood of a hundred dead refugees. Most of the letters from Independent readers thanked me for trying to tell how it was. Others did not. Let me quote from one of these. "I do not like or admire anti-Semites. Hitler was one of the most famous in recent history. You are a disgrace to a profession that should report the news." Nor should you believe that this kind of slander comes from those who support Israel, right or wrong. When I reported on Egypt's deeply flawed elections last year and investigated systematic torture and human rights abuses by the Egyptian State Security Police, I was attacked in Egypt's most prestigious newspaper, Al Ahram, by the columnist Abdul Aziz Ramadan. I was guilty, he said, of "spreading lies and deceit." I was "discredited," a "spiteful liar," a "fake," a "black crow pecking at the corpse of Egypt." And, after I investigated torture in the state security police headquarters in Bahrain -- a headquarters run, by the way, by a British former Special Branch officer called Ian Henderson -- the Bahrain newspaper, Akbar al-Khaleej, portrayed me in a cartoon, along with two colleagues -- Simon Ingram of the BBC and Christopher Walker of The Times -- as a rabid dog, straining on what was labeled a Murdoch/Maxwell leash, in my attempt to get my teeth into a bag of cash. Humorous enough, you might think. Certainly nothing to worry a hard-skinned reporter. True, but in the Arab world, a dog -- a kelb -- is something dirty. There is a word, najis in Arabic, dirty like a dog. A dog is an animal scarcely worthy of life, certainly not one whose life should be protected. And rabid dogs should be put down, exterminated. Lastly, a more disturbing example of the reason why I say I "think," rather than I "believe," about the risks we take. In 1993, I made three films with director Michael Dutfield called "Beirut to Bosnia" -- in Lebanon, Gaza, Israel, Egypt and Bosnia itself. They were made for Channel 4 in Britain and The Discovery Channel in the United States. They were an attempt to show why so much hatred and mistrust was building up against the West in the Muslim world. We filmed the Hezbollah, Hamas, the Israeli army during curfews, Israeli settlers, the family of a Holocaust victim whose tragic family history we retraced in Poland, and the forced evacuation of Muslims from their homes in Northern Bosnia. We were threatened with government censorship in Egypt, sniped at and shelled in Sarajevo, ordered to stop filming three times by Israeli troops in Gaza. Yet, after the film first aired in the States, Israeli lobby groups brought commercial pressure to bear on Discovery. Credit cards were returned to American Express, one of the U.S. sponsors, cut in half. One letter claimed that we should have called the occupied West Bank "disputed" rather than "occupied." To say, as we did, that Israel builds huge Jewish settlements on Arab land -- all facts acknowledged by Israeli human rights groups, as well as by foreign correspondents and diplomats -- was, according to the letter, twisted history. To say that Israeli troops sent the Phalangists into the Sabra and Chatila camp at the time of the 1982 Palestinian massacre -- an incontrovertible damning fact, agreed by Israel's own commission of inquiry -- was "an egregious falsehood." Another letter from a lobby group described me as "spreading venom into the living rooms of America." I was, and I quote, "Henry Higgins with fangs." Less funny, however, was Discovery's decision after receiving these extraordinary letters not to give the film a second showing. Asked if he had canceled the second showing because of pressures from these lobbyists, Clark Bunting, the channel's senior vice president, replied, "Given the reaction to the series upon its initial airing, we never scheduled a subsequent airing, so there is not really an issue as to any scheduled re-airing being canceled." When I read these gutless words, ladies and gentlemen, I was ashamed to be a foreign correspondent. Now, this, as the title of my talk says, is a view from the war zones -- a jaundiced view perhaps, certainly a personal one. But as one of those who has to drive into the smoke and fire from time to time, far too often, and I expect ever more frequently, I draw several conclusions: We are killed because of ill fortune and because the technology of death has improved. We are killed because of the evil of those who murder us to keep us quiet. We are, in effect, killed too because we are attacked by those who wish to take away our identity as honest witnesses, who wish to demean us, call us liars or racists, and thus, in effect, make us unworthy of the protection we so often need. Why, after all, should anyone care about a journalist whose work can be discarded for commercial reasons, or whose peers simply fail at the lowest hurdle to plead their reporters' cause? This last category, the lobby groups, the abusive journalists on government newspapers, are not killers in themselves, of course. But they seek to make our lives less worthy, and thus provide an environment in which our deaths are a small matter. So the message I find in my particular front line is a simple one: Defend our work and you protect our lives. DISCUSSION Jerry Lewis (Israel Radio): Why is it you seem to believe that everything that seems to go wrong has an Israel bias? I refer specifically to your television documentaries, except for the one on Bosnia itself. But [in] the ones concerning the Middle East, you seem to imply throughout that Israel's hidden hand is the cause of all the ills in the region. Robert Fisk: That's your interpretation. It's certainly not mine. Peter Hunter (manager of safety services for BBC News): One of the problems we have is that most journalists are not trained to protect themselves. What we have been trying to do for the BBC is to provide lightweight, high-quality body armor, which in fact enables you to do your job. Fisk: I don't know how to get around the body-armor problem. We never used it in Lebanon under shell fire in the siege of Beirut in '82, which was just as bad as Sarajevo. The reason is it was too hot. In southern Lebanon, when I am on U.N. convoys and they are under fire, I wear a U.N. flack jacket, which is very light. Otherwise, I'm in my ordinary clothes. It goes up to 110 degrees. If [journalists] haven't been to war before, [they should] forget everything they ever saw in Hollywood and realize that war is not about victory or defeat -- it's about death. The learning process comes in learning what roads to go down instead of rushing into the story, slowing down and asking the local people, "Have you seen anything? Has anyone come up this road in the other direction? If a car flashes its lights at you, why is it doing so?" These things I was told before I covered the war in Lebanon. But I didn't learn it until I was there, because you don't. If journalists spend as much time thinking about war as they do fitting on body armor and working out what their blood group is, it would do a lot of good. Journalists should read about what war is really like, over and over, before they go. Phil Hammond (London International Research Exchange): Why now is it such a topic of discussion, the risks that journalists take? Is it that the profession has become more dangerous? Or is it that conflicts are seen nowadays as something which threaten Western countries? Also I wonder whether you think it's still a danger, or more of a danger, nowadays that journalists identify closely with the military. Fisk: We've been talking about it for years, and I've been thinking about [the risks] every day for 20 years in the Middle East. I think the reason why we speak more about it publicly now is there are many more journalists. Television and radio has just blossomed with more and more correspondents, and with more journalists there are more deaths. I don't think it is healthy for journalists to meld into the military or into the government. There are countries, not the United States, not largely Britain, that do constantly challenge military assumptions. France is one. Mr. Lewis will tell you that Israeli journalists are constantly challenging the military assumptions and criticizing them most harshly, in a way that in Britain we do not do. If you look at the Israeli press's treatment of Israeli generals when they have made mistakes, they are very savage, and that's democracy. When you look at what the British and American press do, it's pathetic. We don't challenge these people, especially at a time of war when we need to, because there is, particularly in the United States, this dictatorship of consensus -- the feeling to criticize or suggest that your allies may be wrong is somehow unpatriotic. And that's enough to keep you off the networks. ---

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Re: OCR and Machine Readable Text
by Hal Finney 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Before you get too carried away by the capabilities of off the shelf character recognition, read Phil Karn's experience trying to produce a working DES program from the pages of Applied Cryptography. It was easier than writing it himself, but it was still far from a turnkey operation. This is from <URL: http://www.qualcomm.com/people/pkarn/export/karndecl.html > > 5. I began by first photocopying, on a standard office photocopier, the > 18 pages containing the Triple DES source code listing from Part V of > the Book. This took about 5 minutes. Second, I scanned in the 18 sheets > on a Macintosh Quadra 610 computer system equipped with an HP ScanJet II > flatbed scanner and Omnipage Professional optical character recognition > (OCR) software. The computer, scanner, and software are all readily > available through normal consumer computer supply channels. The total > scanning process took about one and a half hours. About an hour of this > time was spent learning to use the scanning system and conducting trial > runs, as I had only used it briefly some time ago. The actual scan of the > 18 pages took about 15-20 minutes. Third, I transferred the resulting > machine-readable file from the Macintosh to my own personal computer > and brought it up under GNU EMACS, a popular and widely available text > editing program that I have used for many years. In EMACS I compared, > by eye, the scanned file displayed on my screen against the printed > listing in the Book. I began correcting the scanner's many errors, such > as mistaking the digit '0' for the letter 'O' or mistaking the vertical > bar '|' for the letter 'I'. > > 6. After manually correcting those errors noticed through visual > comparison with the Book, I invoked the "C" language compiler on the > (partially) corrected file. The compiler immediately pointed out > additional errors I had overlooked in my visual inspection so I could > also correct them by reference to the Book. I also noticed several errors > in the listing printed in the Book. However, the programmer's intentions > were obvious from the context of each error and were easily fixed. About > fifty minutes later, I successfully compiled the file without error. > > 7. The fourth step was to write a small test program to execute > the DES code with the test vectors given at the end of the source > code listing. This trivial program took less than 5 minutes to > write. Unfortunately, the test did not succeed, meaning that at > least one error went undetected by the compiler in either the code as > printed in the Book or as scanned. Scrutinizing the code more closely, > I quickly found another error in the printed version that was easily > corrected. However, it still did not produce correct results. After about > an hour of searching, I finally located the error in a list of numbers > in a table -- another error in the printed version. By reference to the > DES algorithm description in the first part of the Book, which includes > the correct numbers in tabular form, I found and corrected the error. > > 8. At this point the test finally succeeded, so I knew I had a correct > program. However, to increase my confidence further I tried a few > other DES test vectors that were not included in the source code, but > were openly published by the US National Institute of Standards and > Technology (NIST). All passed. At this point it was beyond doubt that I > had a correct, working copy of the DES source code identical to that on > the Disk with all errors removed, including those printed in the Book > as well as those added by the scanning process. > > 9. Finally, in about 40 minutes I wrote and debugged a "driver" program > analogous to that included in the Crowell declaration. This driver program > takes a sample plaintext file, encrypts it, displays the encrypted file > in hexadecimal and then decrypts it.

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Re: ASSHOLE FAGGOT J.D. Falk
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Chris Rapier wrote: > In light of this post I have decided to make the spam-list moderated. Trying to cover up the truth again Chris, huh? > I > will not tolerate this sort of behaviour in a private forum. Hey, it was J.D. Falk that started the whole thing with a loaded defame.bot. All I did was respond to a Freedom-Knights mailing list article which happened to have your list in it. > This is not a > free for all newsgroup nor is it a soapbox for you to spout deragatory > views and opinions. It is a technical forum which will be working under > the ageis of the IETF. > As I said, J.D. Falk started the whole thing with his defamatory prose about "Continued harassment by Grubor." It was his fault, and nobody's at this end. > If you have something productive to contribute I encourage your offical > subscription to the mailing list. Please limit your comments to those of a > technical nature dealing with the matter at hand. > The recognition that most every problem person is of a homosexual nature is definitely a usenet body-politic phenomenon, which will be documented and verified with whatever means that become necessary. J.D. Falk Started the whole thing, and there is no way you can get around that. Go deal with the cypherpunks. I have already talked to Falk's boss and Lawyer about him, and I plan on seeing him in Court. That shit that he publishes is not going to last very much longer. Over half of the problem people on usenet are Faggots, and that fact is going to be made well known. I want the faggot cocksucker on the witness stand, and nothing less. cheers, > On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, aga wrote: > > > On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, J.D. Falk's Autoresponder wrote: > > > > "Continued Harassment by John Grubor" and this admitted asshole Faggot > > has had this same Autoresponder set up for Months at this CAIS > > Location. This is called a "defame-bomb" -- another asshole BOFH > > tradition. I had forgotten about this problem J.D. Falk faggot until > > now, but he has this dafame-bomb set up in his procmail, it looks > > like. > > > > Now this is a further example of just how much these homosexuals have > > ruined UseNet in the past. > > > > Don't worry J.D., I misplaced the file on you and that is the reason > > why we have not filed the Lawsuit against you and CAIS yet, but > > believe you me, we WILL be down to the D.C. area and file that Lawsuit > > against you. I have already spoken to your Lawyer, and this shit is > > the last straw. > > > > A further example of how the PROBLEM people on UseNet administration > > always turn out to be the GAY crowd. This recently discovered > > phenomenon must not go unreported. > > > > > > > >On Thu, 2 Jan 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > > > > >> >From owner-spam-list(a)psc.edu Thu Jan 2 23:26:42 1997 > > > >> Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) > > > >> via UUCP; Thu, 02 Jan 97 23:27:15 EST > > > >> for dlv > > > >> Received: from mailer.psc.edu by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; > > > >> id AA17247 for dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com; Thu, 2 Jan 97 23:26:42 -0500 > > > >> Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailer.psc.edu (8.8.3/8.8.2/mailer) id XAA30494 for spam-list-outgoing; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 23:06:35 -0500 (EST) > > > >> X-Authentication-Warning: mailer.psc.edu: majordom set sender to owner-spam-list using -f > > > >> From: peter(a)taronga.com (Peter da Silva) > > > > Another BOFH asshole who has been a major usenet problem > > for over 10 years. > > > > > > > >> Message-Id: <199701030359.VAA28649(a)bonkers.taronga.com> > > > >> Subject: Re: regarding the minutes for the filtering meeting... (fwd) > > > >> To: spam-list(a)psc.edu > > > >> Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:59:16 -0600 (CST) > > > >> In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970102222523.23890E-100000(a)triste.psc.edu> from "Chris Rapier" at Jan 2, 97 10:41:01 pm > > > >> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] > > > >> Content-Type: text > > > >> Sender: owner-spam-list(a)psc.edu > > > >> Precedence: bulk > > > >> Reply-To: spam-list(a)psc.edu > > > >> > > > >> > Well, the way i have been looking at things is that its going to be > > > >> > impossible to eliminate all spam. Boycotts can be routed around, > > > >> > > > >> And the secondary routes get blocked, and get injunctions against the > > > >> spammers, and so on. > > > >> > > > >> > payment > > > >> > systems for mail seems to be unweildy at the present time > > > >> > > > >> On the contrary, having advertisers paying for email is already working > > > >> with juno and hotmail and usa.net. > > > >> > > > > > > >You know, this is what I have been saying for years. Spammers will > > > >also PAY to spam UseNet, and we could finance the whole InterNet(tm) > > > >for FREE if we could just get rid of people like Chris Lewis and > > > >Chris Rapier. > > > > > > >We WANT MORE SPAMmers on the UseNet, because we can start charging > > > >them MONEY as their ISPs. > > > > > > >> > Filtration isn't perfect. Before a spammer can be blocked they have to > > > >> > spam... Modifying the headers will circumvent filters as well and well... > > > >> > you all know the shortcomings. > > > >> > > > >> The big problem with filters is that it adds support to spammer's arguments > > > >> that they're not the problem, that people who really don't want spam can > > > >> avoid it (even as they're working to make that harder). > > > >> > > > >> I dislike filters because they carry the distinct possibility of making > > > >> things worse, of establishing a basis for spam. And filters don't hurt the > > > >> spammers because they don't *care*. They'll just send more spam to the folks > > > >> who aren't filtering. It doesn't cost any more, and if they charge for 0.1% > > > >> response from a hundred thousand users they'll just charge for 0.01% from a > > > >> million... > > > >> > > > > > > >Spammers PAY money to SPAM, and every good ISP should charge the > > > >SPAMmers at their end. Then the whole Internet could be FREE for > > > >most all users. > > > > > > >These guys like Chris Lewis who cancel SPAM and Chris Rapier who > > > >tries to create "lists" of people, are both seriously harming the > > > >proper economic development of the InterNet. > > > > > > >The e-mail program that does not also contain newsgroups in the > > > >header is a NO NO. ALL traffic must be routed out of e-mail and > > > >into UseNet, but NOT vice-versa. > > > > > > > Chris Rapier > Systems Programmer/Cabin Boy 2nd Class > Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center > 11EE >

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RSA Announces New "DES Challenge"
by Bob Baldwin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

RSA Announces New "DES Challenge" Tens of thousands of dollars in cash prizes offered; contest should improve overall Internet security by illustrating relative strength of different crypto algorithms and keysizes. Business Editors and Computer Writers REDWOOD CITY, Calif.-Jan 2, 1997--RSA Data Security, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Security Dynamics Technology, Inc. (NASDAQ: SDTI), today announced an Internet-based contest with cash prizes. The contest, known as the "RSA DES Challenge", challenges mathematicians, hackers and computer experts around the world to decipher encrypted messages. The goal of the contest is to quantify the security offered by the government endorsed DES encryption standard and other secret-key ciphers at various key sizes. The challenge proper will be launched during the RSA Data Security Conference to be held in San Francisco, January 28-31, with the target ciphertexts for the different contests being simultaneously posted on the company web-site, at http://www.rsa.com/ RSA Data Security pioneered the Internet-based "cracking" contest, when it launched the original "RSA Factoring Challenge" back in 1991. Since then, the company has paid out over $100,000 in prize money to mathematicians and hackers around the world, and the data gained from that Challenge (which is ongoing) has greatly increased mathematicians' understanding of the strength of encryption techniques based on the "factoring problem", such as the RSA Public Key Cryptosystem T. Background It's widely agreed that 56-bit keys, such as those offered by the government's DES standard, offer marginal protection against the committed adversary. By inertia as much as anything else, DES is still used for many applications, and the 20-year-old algorithm is proposed to be exportable under the latest incarnation of Clipper. It is the perfect time to demonstrate to the world that better systems are both required - and available - thus improving the world's security. There have been theoretical studies done showing that a specialized computer "DES cracker" could be built for a modest sum, which could crack keys in mere hours by exhaustive search. However, no one is known to have built such a machine in the private sector - and nobody knows if one has been built in any government, either. The successes of the RSA Factoring Challenge show that for some types of problems, it's possible to recruit spare "cycles" on a large number of machines distributed around the Internet. Therefore, by offering a suitable incentive, it should be possible to recruit sufficient CPU power across the Internet to exhaustively search the DES keyspace in a matter of weeks. Computer scientists have already developed software that will allow even the novice computer user to participate in the cracking effort. By incorporating the key search software in a "screen saver", a simple PC anywhere on the Internet can devote its spare time to working on the problem - remotely and completely unattended. Even people with limited computer skills will be able to participate. In the RSA DES Challenge, the motto will definitely be "The More, The Merrier". The Contest Full details of the RSA DES Challenge will be posted on the RSA home page (http://www.rsa.com/) during the first weeks of January. Complete rules for the competition will be provided as well as example challenges and solutions against which computer scientists and hackers can test their software. In conjunction with the RSA DES Challenge, RSA will simultaneously launch a series of other contests based around the RC5 Symmetric Block Cipher (another encryption algorithm). Since RC5 is a variable key length block cipher, targets that offer increasing resistance against so-called "exhaustive search attacks" will be posted in the hope of assessing the full impact of a widely-distributed exhaustive search. There will be 12 challenges based on the use of RC5. Prizes will be awarded for the recovery of each of 12 keys which are chosen to be of lengths varying from 40 bits all the way up to 128 bits, with the length increasing in steps of eight bits. The email sender of the first correctly formatted submissions to each contest will receive a cash prize. For the RSA DES Challenge the first sender of the secret DES key will receive $10,000. For the other contests the prize money awarded will vary with the difficulty of the RC5 key attacked. For more information about the ongoing RSA Factoring Challenge send email to challenge-administrator(a)rsa.com and for the latest news and developments send email to challenge-news(a)rsa.com. About RSA Data Security, Inc. RSA Data Security, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of Security Dynamics Technologies, Inc., is the world's brand name for cryptography, with more than 75 million copies of RSA encryption and authentication technologies installed and in use worldwide. RSA technologies are part of existing and proposed standards for the Internet and World Wide Web, IT4, ISO, ANSI, IEEE, and business, financial and electronic commerce networks around the globe. The company develops and markets platform-independent developer's kits and end-user products, and provides comprehensive cryptographic consulting services. For more information on any of RSA's encryption technologies, please call RSA directly at 415/595-8782 or send electronic mail to sales(a)rsa.com. RSA also provides information on its Web site at http://www.rsa.com. **************************************************************** Kurt R. Stammberger Director, Technology Marketing RSA Data Security, Inc. (A Security Dynamics Company) 415-595-8782 vox 415-595-1873 fax kurt(a)rsa.com www.rsa.com

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Re: Accounts payable
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy May the self-admitted child molester possesses a rudimentary dick less than one inch long, half the size of his mother's clitoris, that barely makes a fistful. Thereby hangs the root of this Jew-hating sissy's sick fixation on little boys and Usenet forgeries. ____ \ _/__ Timothy May \\ / \/

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Re: OCR and Machine Readable Text
by Jim Byrd 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I used to work for an OCR company (Kurzweil, a division of Xerox; now Xerox Advanced Imaging). The OCR software they had did better than 95% over 10 years ago. And yes, you could run on a 286. The trick was to use a board plugged into the 286 which itself had enough horsepower (a Motorola cpu) to do the job. I actually started a project to develop a Windows (version 1.3!) driver for this, but at the time Xerox had no interest in Windows. So the project was cancelled and the Windows people essentially dismissed. Xerox now has a Windows product called TextBridge. At 12:35 PM 1/3/97 -0500, /**\\anonymous/**\\" <panther(a)iglou.com> wrote: >Alan Olsen wrote: >> I used to work for a company that would transfer entire archives of medical >> journals. Much of it we would just OCR. Some of it we would send off >> shore. The OCR software was about 95% reliable and this was over 5 years >> ago. (And we were using 286 boxes for much of the OCR work. Not a heavy >> technoligical investment.) I am sure that things have improved a great >> deal since then. (My new scanner included OCR software. I will have to >> run a test and report the findings. > > I'd like to know what OCR software you were using. All tests we >completed at my place of employment were very poor quality wise. We >showed >a %65 accuracy rate. Not very good when you need to transfer a five >year >backlog of medical and technical journals. This was using a high >resolution >scanner with a package that was bundled along with it. About a year >ago, >my employer considered transfering data taken off of forms into a >relational >database using an OCR program. Again, we found the findings to be too >innacurate for our needs. I may have just been using the wrong programs >for >the job, but the findings were depressing... > >panther > >> --- >> | If you're not part of the solution, You're part of the precipitate. | >> |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | >> | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | >> |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| >> | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com| > >

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WIPO and domain names
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For those who haven't seen it already, there is something in the bushes: http://www.wipo.org/eng/internet/domains/index.htm

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What happened to remailer-operators@c2.org?
by lcs Remailer Administrator 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sorry for this somewhat off-topic post, but I figured it was the best way to reach people who would know. Does anyone know what happened to the remailer-operators(a)c2.org mailing list? I get: rcpt to:<remailer-operators(a)c2.org> 550 <remailer-operators(a)c2.org>... User unknown Thanks.

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ONE MILLION CHILDREN.....
by gary＠safetydisk.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: Crypto reg clarification from Commerce Department
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The General Prohibitions: (ii): You may not, without a license from BXA, think about technical things with respect to encryption items, as described in Sec 744.9 of the EAR.Instead, when you reason upon the validity and consequencs of your code or your actions, you will set your neural systems to reference Sec. 736.2(b)(10) and Sec. 764.2 (b) & (e). .. Blanc

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Big Brother's little helpers: http://www.anet-stl.com/~wrogers/biometrics/index.html

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'Fuck_God_Up_The_Ass' (was: invitation)
by nobody＠replay.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

fgle(a)sun1.uconect.net spammed: > Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA09438 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 07:09:39 -0800 (PST) > Received: from sun1.uconect.net ([206.156.42.50]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09425 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 07:09:27 -0800 (PST) > From: fgle(a)sun1.uconect.net > Received: from fgle.uconect.net ([206.156.55.17]) by sun1.uconect.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA13920 for <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>; Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:07:22 -0500 > Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:07:22 -0500 > Message-Id: <199701031507.KAA13920(a)sun1.uconect.net> > To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: invitation > Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Precedence: bulk > X-Newsgroups: list.cypherpunks > > Fuck_God_Up_The_Ass, [snip] > Douglas Cymbala > Membership Department I somehow doubt that Douglas has sufficient Vaseline to fulfill his erotic fantasies! (Or his "god" is rather small...) How many clueless spammers need to get stung by indiscriminately posting to spam-bait addresses planted in Usenet until they figure out that it's a Really Bad Idea[tm]? I've heard rumors that at least one idjit spammer lost his account for spamming a religious mailing list with something like that! Can you say "oops"?

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ONE MILLION CHILDREN.....
by gary＠safetydisk.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: ASSHOLE FAGGOT J.D. Falk
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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Civil rights, wrongs, and extremism in the defense of liberty
by Rich Graves 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Bill Frantz mentioned the 1960's civil rights movement as one of those revolutions that Thomas Jefferson thought were a good idea. Maybe that's what he had in mind, maybe not. It's good to keep in mind that other people, including many here, may have different conceptions of ordered liberty than we do. Here's a Bork piece from 1963. I also recommend the lengthy article on "Liberalism Defined" in the 21-12-96 issue of The Economist. It's online, at least for a while, at http://www.economist.com/issue/21-12-96/xm0017.html -rich http://www.tezcat.com/~nrn/bork63.txt Civil Rights - A Challenge by Robert Bork Passions are running so high over racial discrimination that the various proposals to legislate its manifestations out of existence seem likely to become textbook examples of the maxim that great and urgent issues are rarely discussed in terms of the principles they necessarily involve. In this case, the danger is that justifiable abhorrence of racial discrimination will result in legislation by which the morals of the majority are self-righteously imposed upon a minority. That has happened before in the United States - Prohibition being the most notorious instance - but whenever it happens it is likely to be subversive of free institutions. Instead of a discussion of the merits of legislation, of which the proposed Interstate Public Accommodations Act outlawing discrimination in business facilities serving the public may be taken as the prototype, we are treated to debate whether it is more or less cynical to pass the law under the commerce power or the Fourteenth Amendment, and whether the Supreme Court is more likely to hold it Constitutional one way or the other. Heretical though it may sound to the constitutional sages neither the Constitution nor the Supreme Court qualifies as a first principle. The discussion we ought to hear is of the cost in freedom that must be paid for such legislation, the morality of enforcing morals through law, and the likely consequences for law enforcement of trying to do so. Few proponents of legislation such as the Interstate Public Accommodations Act seem willing to discuss either the cost in freedom which must accompany it or why this particular departure from freedom of the individual to choose with whom he will deal is justified. appears to recognize but to wish to avoid these questions, for, in speaking on behalf of the bill before a congressional committee, he went so far as to state that the law would create no precedent. That of course is nothing less than an admission that he does not care to defend the bill on general principles. There seems to be a strong disposition on the part of proponents of the legislation simply to ignore the fact that it means a loss in a vital area of personal liberty. That it does is apparent. The legislature would inform a substantial body of the citizenry that in order to continue to carry on the trades in which they are established they must deal with and serve persons with whom they do not wish to associate. In part the willingness to overlook that loss of freedom arises from the feeling that it is irrational to choose associates on the basis of racial characteristics. Behind that judgment, however, lies an unexpressed natural-law view that some personal preferences are rational, that others are irrational, and that a majority may impose upon a minority its scale of preferences. The fact that the coerced scale of preferences is said to be rooted in a moral order does not alter the impact upon freedom. In a society that purports to value freedom as an end in itself, the simple argument from morality to law can be a dangerous non sequitur. Professor Mark DeWolf Howe, in supporting the proposed legislation, describes southern opposition to "the nation's objective" as an effort "to preserve ugly customs of a stubborn people." So it is. Of the ugliness of racial discrimination there need be no argument (though there may be some presumption in identifying one's own hotly controverted aims with the objective of the nation). But it is one thing when stubborn people express their racial antipathies in laws which prevent individuals, whether white or Negro, from dealing with those who are willing to deal with them, and quite another to tell them that even as individuals they may not act on their racial preferences in particular areas of life. The principle of such legislation is that if I find your behavior ugly by my standards, moral or aesthetic, and if you prove stubborn about adopting my view of the situation, I am justified in having the state coerce you into more righteous paths. That is itself a principle of unsurpassed ugliness. Freedom is a value of very high priority and the occasions upon which it is sacrificed ought to be kept to a minimum. It is necessary that the police protect a man from assault or theft but it is a long leap from that to protection from the insult implied by the refusal of another individual to associate or deal with him. The latter involves a principle whose logical reach is difficult to limit. If it is permissible to tell a barber or a rooming house owner that he must deal with all who come to him regardless of race or religion, then it is impossible to see why a doctor, lawyer, accountant, or any other professional or business man should have the right to discriminate. Indeed, it would be unfair discrimination to leave anybody engaged in any commercial activity with that right. Nor does it seem fair or rational, given the basic premise, to confine the principle to equal treatment of Negroes as customers. Why should the law not require not merely fair hiring of Negroes in subordinate positions but the choice of partners or associates in a variety of business and professional endeavors without regard to race or creed? Though such a law might presently be unenforceable, there is no distinction in principle between it and what is proposed. It is difficult to see an end to the principle of enforcing fair treatment by private individuals. It certainly need not be confined to racial or commercial matters. The best way to demonstrate the expansive ness of the principle behind the proposed legislation is to examine the arguments which are used to justify it. Perhaps the most common popular justification of such a law is based on a crude notion of waivers: Insistence that barbers, lunch counter operators, and similar businessmen serve all comers does not infringe their freedom because they "hold themselves out to serve the public." The statement is so obviously a fiction that it scarcely survives articulation. The very reason for the proposed legislation is precisely that some individuals have made it as clear as they can that they do not hold themselves out to serve the public. A second popular argument, usually heard in connection with laws proposed to be laid under the Fourteenth Amendment, is that the rationale which required the voiding of laws enforcing segregation also requires the prohibition of racial discrimination by business licensed by any governmental unit because "state action" is involved. The only legitimate thrust of that "state action" characterization, however, is to enable courts to see through governmental use of private organizations to enforce an official policy of segregation. There is a fundamental difference between saying that the state cannot turn over its primary election process, which is actually the only election that matters, to the "private" and all-white Democratic Party and saying that a chiropodist cannot refuse a Negro patient because a state board has examined him and certified his competence. The "state action" concept must be confined to discerning state enforcement of policy through a nominally private agency or else it becomes possible to discern the hand of the state in every private action. One of the shabbiest forms of "argument" is that endorsed by James Reston when he described the contest over the public accommodations bill as one between "human rights" and "property rights." Presumably no one of "liberal" views has any difficulty deciding the question when so concisely put. One wishes nonetheless, that Mr. Reston would explain just who has rights with respect to property other than humans. If A demands to deal with B and B insists that for reasons sufficient to himself he wants nothing to do with A, I suppose even Reston would agree that both are claiming "human rights" and that this is in no way changed if one of the humans is colored and the other white. How does the situation change if we stipulate that they are standing on opposite sides of a barber chair and that B owns it? A number of people seem to draw a distinction between commercial relationships and all others. They feel justified, somehow, in compelling a rooming house owner or the proprietor of a lunch counter to deal with all comers without regard to race but would not legislate acceptance of Negroes into private clubs or homes. The rationale appears to be that one relationship is highly personal and the other is just business. Under any system which allows the individual to determine his own values that distinction is unsound. It is, moreover, patently fallacious as a description of reality. The very bitterness of the resistance to the demand for enforced integration arises because owners of many places of business do in fact care a great deal about whom they Serve. The real meaning of the distinction is simply that some people do not think others ought to care that much about that particular aspect of their freedom. One of the Kennedy administration's arguments for the bill is that it is necessary to provide legal redress in order to get the demonstrators out of the streets. That cannot be taken seriously as an independent argument. If southern white racists - or northern ones, for that matter - were thronging the streets, demanding complete segregation of commercial facilities, it is to be hoped that no responsible politician would suggest passing a law to enable them to enforce their demands in court. In this connection, it is possible to be somewhat less than enthusiastic about the part played by "moral leaders" in participating in demonstrations against private persons who discriminate in choice of their patrons. It feeds the danger of the violence which they are the first to deplore. That might nevertheless be tolerable if they were demonstrating against a law that coerced discrimination. They are actually part of a mob coercing and distributing other private individuals in the exercise of their freedom. Their moral position is about the same as Carrie Nation's when she and her followers invaded saloons. Though the basic objection is to the law's impact upon individual liberty, it is also appropriate to question the practicality of enforcing a law which runs contrary to the customs, indeed the moral beliefs, of a large portion of the country. Of what value is a law which compels service to Negroes without close surveillance to make sure the service is on the same terms given to whites? It is not difficult to imagine many ways in which barbers, landlords, lunch counter operators, and the like can nominally comply with the law but effectively discourage Negro patrons. Must federal law enforcement agencies become in effect public utility commissions charged with the supervision of the nation's business establishments or will the law become an unenforceable symbol of hypocritical righteousness?. It is sad to have to defend the principle of freedom in this context, but the task ought not to be left to those southern politicians who only a short while ago were defending laws that enforced racial segregation. There seem to be few who favor racial equality who also perceive or are willing. to give primacy to the value of freedom in this struggle. A short while back the majority of the nation's moral and intellectual leaders opposed all the manifestations of "McCarthyism" and quite correctly assured the nation that the issue was not whether communism was good or evil but whether men ought to be free to think and talk as they pleased. Those same leaders seem to be running with the other pack this time. Yet the issue is the same. It is not whether racial prejudice or preference is a good thing but whether individual men ought to be free to deal and associate with whom they please for whatever reasons appeal to them. This time "stubborn people" with "ugly customs" are under attack rather than intellectuals and academicians; but that sort of personal comparison surely ought not to make the difference. The trouble with freedom is that it will be used in ways we abhor. It then takes great self restraint to avoid sacrificing it, just this once, to another end. One may agree that it is immoral to treat a man according to his race or religion and yet question whether that moral preference deserves elevation to the level of that principle of individual freedom and self-determination If, every time an intensely-felt moral principle is involved, we spend freedom, we will run short of it.

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[Fwd: Re: Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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[Fwd: Re: Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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[Screed] Re: ONE MILLION CHILDREN.....
by Alan Olsen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:42 PM 1/3/97, Gary Aikens wrote: >...and pets are lost or turn up missing every year! >Protect your loved ones today! How much of each? (I forgot... Children and pets are interchangable.) >Think about all the things you do to protect your loved ones. Isn't there >one more thing you should do? Wrap them in aluminum foil to protect them from the bogon radiation coming from this message? >Child and Pet ID Kits have been around for years, but most of them haven't >changed with the years. Traditional ID Kits allow you to compile valuable >information about your child or pet that you can use in the event your child or >pet is missing. We are responding to the rapid changes in technology. We know >that any ID Kit just isn't good enough. It has to be marketed on The Internet(tm)! (With special THX-1138 SPAM additives for that special zing!) What new buzzword has not been exploited for the purposes of seperating the excesivly gulible from their money? >Our ID Kit is quite different! You supply us with up to three photos and pertinent >information about your child or pet and we create a SAFETYDISK. As brought to you in the early 80s by "Men without Clues". >In PC or MAC >format, SAFETYDISK is a 3 1/2" disk that contains photos and valuable >information that could help law enforcement agencies in the search for a missing >child or pet. "I am sorry that we cannot find your lost loved one as this disk has sector errors." None of which require purchace of your product. (You forgot to remind us of all the HORRIBLE things that could happen if we do not buy your "product".) >What makes our kit so unique is that each SAFETYDISK is actually >pre-formatted for the World Wide Web. You store this "Vital Information" as HTML?!?!?? >SAFETYDISK can be put on any >Internet server within seconds and displayed to millions and millions of >people >who might spot your child or pet! If they go to that web page. Few, if any, web pages gets that many hits in a short period of time. (Or a year for that matter.) They have a better chance of getting spotted by paintball guns! What you are selling is a web page substitute for a milk carton! (Without having that useful feature of holding milk.) I guess you had to find some use for that copy of Frontpage 2.0 you got for Christmas... >For more information, visit our website at http://www.mvisibility.com/sd/ Maybe you can find someone you know and/or love... (Or at least a pet.) Then again, maybe not... Or you can learn how, by sending in your children or pets to the top address on this list, you can get 3,125 loved-ones and pets ABSOLUTLY FREE! (All it takes is selling your soul to the demons of Multi-level Marketing.) >Thanks, But no thanks. >Gary Aikens >President, SafetyDisk, Inc. and clueless spammer. "I loved annoying people so much I bought the company!" --- | If you're not part of the solution, You're part of the precipitate. | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | |`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com|

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Naive Export Question
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Given that: 1. It is legal to export books with printed source code. 2. It is legal for foreigners to type it in. 3. It is legal for foreigners to post what they typed. 4. It is legal to pay foreigners to type things into a computer. It seems to me that it would be legal for the author of a book with source code to pay foreigners to type in the code and post it. The cost of doing so is small compared to the cost of writing and publishing the book. I assume that this is illegal, but which laws does it violate? Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

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[ANNOUNCEMENT] ElGamal
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim C[ocksucker] May proves that the Midwestern gene pool needs some chlorine in it. /\ \ / /\ //\\ .. //\\ Tim C[ocksucker] May //\(( ))/\\ / < `' > \

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Personal use exception to ITAR/EAR
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone wrote to the list in the last day or so (I seem to have mislaid the message) asking what happened to the ITAR's personal use exemption. The introductory comments to the new 12/30/96 regs indicate that: "License Exceptions TMP and BAG effectively replace the Department of State's personal use exemption." (Federal Register, p. 68575) License exception TMP is described at 15 CFR 740.4, and BAG is described at 15 CFR 740.9, both of which are available via John Young's helpful hypertext version of the EARs at <http://jya.com/740.htm>. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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"FREEDOM for you this New Year"
by rapidd＠gtwinc.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Hyperlink Spoofing: an attack on SSL server authentication
by Frank O'Dwyer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I've written up an attack on SSL server authentication at http://www.iol.ie/~fod/sslpaper/sslpaper.htm As far as I am aware, this attack hasn't been written about before. It does not attack the SSL protocol or low-level cryptography, but works at a higher level in order to persuade users to connect to fake servers, with the browser nonetheless giving all the usual appearances of a secure session. Not much technical sophistication is required to carry off the attack, and the impact is that a user may be persuaded to reveal information such as credit card numbers, PINs, insurance or bank details, or other private information to the fake server. Another risk is that the user may download and run trojan Java applets or executables (e.g. banking or database clients) from the fake server, believing them to be from the real server and therefore safe. I am posting this announcement on comp.security.misc, ssl-talk and on cypherpunks. If you know of any other individuals who may be concerned about this attack, but who do not read this group or those lists, please forward this message to them. Cheers, Frank O'Dwyer fod(a)brd.ie

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Re: Secret-Sharing Algorithm
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I've been looking over Shamir's secret sharing polynomial scheme that > Schneier describes in section 23.2 of AC2. The basic equation for a (3,n) > threshold scheme is (ax^2+bx+M) mod p. I understand that the coefficients > need to be randomly generated for each message but is it OK to reuse the same > prime p over and over? If the message M is always a 160-bit SHA hash, could > I just find the first 161-bit prime and hard-code it into my application and > then just generate new 160-bit coefficients for each new message? Yes, as long as the message can never be more than 160 bits this would be fine, the co-efficients must be true random for the security to be perfect. Indeed using the same prime is an advantage as you suggest because it does not alter the security but increases the ease of implementing the system. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: Anonymous Post Control
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> It would be nice if toad.com would verify signatures and insert a > header into the messages with the PGP User Id of every poster. > Then it would be very easy for many people to filter the messages > using widely available off-the-shelf mail software. Well the obvious answer seems to me to stop majordomo at toad.com accepting ANY messages from anonymous sources but let pseudonyms post, pseudonymous posting allows the owner of the nym to accumulate reputation capital without disclosing his or her true identity. Bear in mind of course that this is a purely technical answer and I happen not to believe that anonymous posting should be stopped. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: How many Faggots on this list?
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 3 Jan 1997, Santa12801 wrote: > FUCK YOU..YOU GOD DAM STUPID MOTHERFUCKER > And HERE comes ANOTHER one, coming out of the woodwork! -aga (bring 'em out of the woodwork).bot

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Cypherpunk Elitism and Spam Filters
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Ecash naysayers
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 17:02:52 -0500 From: Roderick Simpson <rod(a)wired.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <com-priv(a)lists.psi.com> Subject: Ecash naysayers Anyone heard a convincing naysayer of electronic cash? Who were they? Best, Rod R o d e r i c k S i m p s o n rod(a)wired.com A s s o c i a t e P r o d u c e r T h e H o t W i r e d N e t w o r k www.braintennis.com www.wiredsource.com ------------------------------ --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox, e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.vmeng.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://offshore.com.ai/fc97/

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Re: Modified Token Posting Scheme
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 2:10 AM 1/4/1997, Roy M. Silvernail wrote: >In list.cypherpunks, ph(a)netcom.com writes: >> In essence, the poster is betting that the moderator will approve >> the post retroactively. >> The "moderator" returns the money to people when posts are worthwhile >> and keeps it otherwise. >> Of course, there's no reason to have just one moderator on the list. > In the case of several moderators, who gets the ecash? And doesn't this > open the list to bidding? "Pass this message, and you can keep the > e$500." The moderator keeps the cash. The moderator is pulled in several directions. He or she wants to keep the money but also wants people to post through him or her. The moderator also wants to be credible or their services will not be required. If it is implemented in a decentralized manner, the list is not up for bidding, but the ability to get past killfiles is. That is, anybody can post to the list, but some people will only read things coming from credible sources. The money you pay gets to those people. This is no different from the original scheme with a limited number of tokens. If the anonymity is preserved, you can always pay somebody $500 to go to the trouble of getting one of the rare tokens distributed or to buy one off a list member who already has one. In the modified scheme, the cost is quantified and easy to express and understand. Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

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Atoms vs Bits
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you doubt that wealth and atoms aren't linked much these days, one need only point out that the total weight (in tons) of the US annual GDP is about the same as it was 100 years ago while the constant dollar value of that production has increased 12 fold. Source - Greenspan speech quoted in The Economist Suvey of the World Economy 28 September 1996. DCF

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Re: Experiments on Mailing Lists
by ph＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:02 AM 1/4/1997, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 7:49 AM -0800 1/4/97, Peter Hendrickson wrote: >> The moderator keeps the cash. The moderator is pulled in several >> directions. He or she wants to keep the money but also wants people > ...blah blah blah.... > All of these schemes--some of them pretty clever--for posting tokens, > reputation-based killfiles, buying and selling reputation futures, etc., > are almost certainly far too complicated to deploy on a list like ours. > ...[Interesting Extropian history deleted.]... > So, rather than do similar tinkering with the Cypherpunks list--not that > either Hugh Daniel or John Gilmore have given any hint they are willing to > do such tinkering--I suggest those who want to try token-based posting, or > information markets in reputation capital, or herd-consensus killfiles, > etc., set up a separate mailing list and implement whatever they wish. If the point of these schemes is to filter content (*), there is no reason why they have to be implemented for the entire list. They can always be converted to a tag on the message which readers can use, but are not required to. I'm sure Tim would not object to any scheme implemented in this way. (So sure, in fact, that I will give him a dollar if he does object. ;-) (* If the point is to stop spam attacks, then they do have to affect the entire list.) Peter Hendrickson ph(a)netcom.com

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[Fwd: Re: Naive Export Question]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: ONE MILLION CHILDREN..... (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi all, Forwarded message: > Date: Sat, 04 Jan 1997 10:24:21 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > > C'mon Gary, why would anyone want to bother with all of this crap? > Chip implants are already in millions of pets. It's simple, cheap, > and there's no work for the owner. And there are several standards which are NOT compatible. Simply putting a chip in your pet (or child) is not sufficient to guarantee their return. If the system at use at the pound is not compatible the chip in the pet won't even respond and the operator has no idea of the actual situation. This is one of the reasons many states are enacting laws regarding the sale and transfer of pets. There was a piece on CNN just a couple of weeks ago about this problem, one state in the central US is in the process of passing various laws about animal trading. Seems they have a problem with people stealing pets from peoples homes and collecting 'for free' pets and then selling them to the medical labs at a hefty profit. Their advise was to never give pets away, but to always charge at least $10 ea. and if leaving pets unattended either put them inside a locked bldg. or else have your neighbors watch them in a fenced yard. > Thousands of humans are also implanted, i.e., Green Berets, Seals, and > similar types, women with breast implants, and so on. There's a move- > ment on to implant most children, so they're not as vulnerable to kid- > napping, etc. Baloney. I know two SEAL's (I share an office at work with one) and I can verify they are NOT chiped. I also have several female friends who have had various breast surgeries and they also are not chipped. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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[Fwd: Re: Timmy's Lost It: [Was Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice]]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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[Fwd: Re: Experiments on Mailing Lists]
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: New rules for Internet sales to CA buyers
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:50 AM 1/4/97 -0800, Ian Goldberg wrote: >Greg Broiles <gbroiles(a)netbox.com> wrote: >>The following subsection of California Business & Professions Code section >>17538 took effect 1/1/97 and may be of interest to people following state >>attempts to regulate net sales: >> >>[...] >> (d) A vendor conducting business through the Internet or any other >>electronic means of communication shall do all of the following >>when the transaction involves a buyer located in California: >[snip] > >So is this saying that a merchant _anywhere in the world_ can be prosecuted >under California law if someone in California goes to their web page, >and the web page doesn't satisfy the requirements (which I snipped)? Yes; but since the law is a criminal statute, the presence of the defendant is required (absent the defendant's waiver) for a prosecution to occur. Securing the appearance of an out-of-state or out-of-country defendant (extradition) is an expensive and complicated process. Violation of the statute is a misdemeanor, and California is unlikely to try to extradite someone in order to try them for a misdemeanor charge. (This is an economic choice, not a legal restriction - I worked on a case when I was in Oregon where our client, at that time an Oregon resident, charged with a misdemeanor in California, managed to make the prosecutor angry enough that the various state & county agencies involved did jump through the hoops to request extradition.) >How is a merchant in, say, Finland, supposed to know that this law (or others >like it in any city, state, or country in the world) exists? By hiring an attorney, of course. :) This is a significant problem; in the past, it's been difficult enough to do business in far-away places that the only organizations likely to do so were large enough that they were able to pay people to keep track of applicable local rules. But now it's easy to advertise or do business worldwide, and it's very difficult to control which jurisdictions have access to your advertising materials. So it's likely that many people and organizations will unintentionally violate many laws in jurisdictions they're not familiar with. Hopefully the various enforcement agencies will take this into account when enforcing their laws. I wouldn't be surprised, frankly, if California never prosecutes anyone for violation of this law - it's hard to imagine that this will turn out to be an enforcement priority for anyone. It is, of course, still useful for selective enforcement, similar to laws against vagrancy or loitering or public drunkenness, where illegal behavior is usually ignored but vigilant enforcement is employed to punish or drive away people who are unpopular for an unrelated reason. If the legislators really wanted this to be enforced, they'd have given citizens a private right of action against offending web publishers. Then we'd see some excitement. C-Net's NEWS.COM has an article on the new law at <http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,6667,00.html>. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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Re: Timmy's Lost It: [Was Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice]
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 11:15 AM 1/3/97 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >As for my "elitism," I've never presented myself in any other fashion. I've >discussed this issue many times. Get used to it, or ignore it, or just keep >foaming at the mouth and ranting about how I need to take "yellow pills" to >avoid being an ally of "Bubba." I don't fault you for being "elitist." However, Rich Graves was right: I think that cryptoanarchy, while obviously eliminating taxation and income redistribution sounds cozy for economic elites, actually also eliminates the basis for those elites to be formed in the first place. To cite just one example that will hit close to home for you, without copyrights or patents (which are, obviously, monopolies enforced by governments) it would be far harder for companies such as Intel to maintain a near-monopoly on the DOS-compatible microprocessor market. And it has long been observed in libertarian discussion circles that far from hating regulation, most large (American; and others) corporations actually receive a net benefit from it as compared with smaller companies: The cost of complying with regulations doesn't increase linearly with the size of company, which means that those same regulations are a way of fighting competition if they are played right. Bring in crypto-anarchy and this effect is no longer operating. Despite all this, I still see nothing inconsistent in even an "elitist" pushing for crypto-anarchy: The current political system has become so dramatically inefficient and keeps so many people (through welfare, Socialist Insecurity, and government employment) well-fed through income redistribution, that I think finally even an "elitist" would be happy to chuck the whole system and adopt a crypto-anarchy-equalized system. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Judge Bork on Ebonics
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The following is from pages 300-307 of Robert Bork's brilliant book, "Slouching Towards Gomorrah". This is a book which should be read by everyone--and especially by liberals. Here are Judge Bork's thoughts on multiculturalism, bilingual education, and "Black English", otherwise known as "Ebonics". ==================================================== The natural centrifugal tendencies of ethnicity were once counteracted by a public school system that stressed indoctrinating immigrants to be Americans. The schools were agents of cultural unification. They taught patriotism and standards derived from European cultures. Part of our national lore, and glory, is the fact that youngsters speaking not a word of English were placed in public schools where only English was used and very shortly were proficient in the language. That was crucial to the formation of an American identity Now, however, the educational system has become the weapon of choice for modern liberals in their project of dismantling American culture. Our egalitarians view every cul- ture (other than European) as equal. They resent and resist attempts to Americanize immigrants, and the crucial battleground is language. That is the reason for bilingual education. Initially, some well- meaning souls saw bilingual education as a way of easing the immigrant child's entry into American culture. The child would take courses in English but learn many subjects in his native tongue, usually Spanish. Within two or three years, the argument ran, the child would be able to take all of his courses in English. It is now clear, however, that the program is designed not to facilitate but to delay entry into American culture, and, to the degree possi- ble, make certain that assimilation is never complete. So many languages are spoken by immigrants that it is impos- sible to provide bilingual education for all. That is why bilingual education is so often in Spanish, the language most immigrants speak. But that fact gives away the real reason for the programs. Vietnamese and Polish children were put into English-speaking classes and were competent into English long before the Hispanics in bilingual schools. That leaves the partisans of bilingualism only the choice of saying that Hispanic children are not as capable as others or admitting that they, the educators, are driven by hostility to American culture, and the rewards to be had by teachers' unions and educational bureaucrats. The rewards would not be there, however, if ideology had not created the situation. Often, the bilingualists do not care whether immigrant chil- dren learn English. The key to success for the students is "self- esteem. . . . Children do badly in school because of their feelings of 'shame' at belonging to a minority group rather than the 'domi- nant group.' For the children to do better, teachers must "con- sciously challenge the power structure both in their classrooms and schools and in the society at large." As Richard Bernstein writes, "Bilingual education ... is an act of rebellion against white, Anglo cultural domination." And the "animus against assimilation, is not an implicit part of the emerging educational philosophy. It is explicit, open, out there, a standard belief. 'The psychological cost of assimilation has been and continues to be high for many U.S. citizens,' declares the National Council of Social Studies (NCSS), in Washington, D.C., in its 1992 'Curriculum Guidelines for Mul- ticultural Education.' "It too often demands self-denial, self-hatred, and rejection of family and ethnic ties." This pathetic whine is not insignificant since the NCSS is the country's largest Organiza- tion devoted to social studies education. Public dissatisfaction with the linguistic fracturing of society has led to calls for an English-only amendment to the Constitu- tion. The frustration is understandable, but there is no need to amend the Constitution to achieve an English-speaking nation. All that need be done is the abolition of bilingual education and the repeal of the Voting Rights Act's requirement of different language ballots. Children from other countries will learn English in public schools as they used to do. Their parents will accept the change once they begin to see its results. Immigrant parents want their children to learn English and become Americans. The opposition to that, manifested in bilingual education, comes from American elites who form an adversarial culture, alienated from the culture of the West and wishing to weaken it. In 1989, the Commissioners Task Force on Minorities in New York concluded: "African Americans, Asian Americans, Puerto kicans/Latinos, and Native Americans have all been the victims of an intellectual and educational oppression that has characterized the culture and institutions of the United States and the European American world for centuries." All young people were being "miseducated" because of a "systematic bias toward European cul- ture and its derivatives." Bernstein asks, rhetorically, "Could the multicultural animus against 'European culture and its derivatives' emerge more clearly than that? Here we have a direct statement that the Western culture is harmful to nonwhite children ." Despite the evidence and the frankness of its advocates, most people, including very astute people, tend to accept the beneficent view of multiculturalism put forth by its less candid partisans. Thus, one can find diametrically opposed views of the phe- nomenon, one put forward, for example, by Richard Bernstein and another articulated by Conor Cruise O'Brien. Bernstein writes, "Multiculturalism is a movement of the left, emerging from the counterculture of the 1960's... It is a code word for a politi cal ambition, a yearning for more power, combined with a gen- uine, earnest, zealous, self-righteous craving for social improve- ment. . . ." He says we are "likely to end up in a simmering sort of mutual dislike on the level of everyday unpleasantness..." O'Brien, on the other hand, thinks that multiculturalism and diversity are "actually both a mask for, and perhaps an unconscious mode for achieving, a unity which would be broader-based and to that extent stronger. . . . The real agenda is the enlargement of the American national elite to include groups of persons who have traditionally been excluded from the same, mainly for reasons associated with race and gender. What is in view is the enlarge- ment and diversification of the composition of the future govern- ing class of the United States of America." I am afraid it is clear that Bernstein has it right and O'Brien has it wrong. Multiculturalism is advertised by its less candid prac- titioners as opening students to the perspectives and accomplish- ments of groups that have been largely ignored and undervalued in conventional curriculums. The goal, it is said, is to enrich the student's understanding of the world and to teach him respect for and tolerance of others who are different. It substitutes an ethic of inclusion for the older ethic of exclusion. This is the movement's self-portrait, and O'Brien seems to have accepted it at face value. If there were truth in that advertising, if that were what the goal really is, no one could legitimately object to what is taking place in the American educational system. Unfortunately, there appears to be very little truth in the pretensions of the multiculturalists. Bernstein took a two-year leave of absence from the New York Times to gather the facts of the multicultural ideology and its opponents. His is not an impressionistic book or one based on an ideological predisposition; it is a report of empirical findings. He points, for example, to the remarkable change in attitude towards Christopher Columbus between 1892 and 1992. Though not a single new fact about Columbus's life and exploits had been uncovered, the country's mood swung from one of uncritical adu- lation to one of loathing and condemnation, at least among the members of the "intellectual" class. The change was accomplished by the aggressive ideology of multiculturalism. The Columbus turnaround is merely a specific instance of more general alter- ations in our moral landscape. What it signifies, and what becomes increasingly obvious, is that multiculturalism is a philosophy of antagonism to America and the West. The hostility of the multiculturalists to this nation and its achievements can hardly be overstated. Lynne Cheney, the former head of the National Endowment for the Humanities, quotes a professor who is pleased that multiculturalism has the "potential for ideologically disuniting the nation" by stressing America's faults so that students will not think this country deserves their special support. That multiculturalism is essentially an attack on America, the European-American culture, and the white race, with special emphasis on white males, may be seen from the curriculum it favors. A curriculum designed to foster understanding of other cultures would study those cultures. Multiculturalism does not. Courses are not offered on the cultures of China or India or Brazil or Nigeria, nor does the curriculum require the study of languages without which foreign cultures cannot be fully understood. Instead the focus is on groups that, allegedly, have been subjected to oppression by American and Western civilization--homosexu- als, American Indians, blacks, Hispanics, women, and so on. The message is not that all cultures are to be respected but that Euro- pean culture, which created the dominance of white males, is uniquely evil. Multiculturalism follows the agenda of modern lib- eralism, and it comes straight from the Sixties counterculture. But now, in American education, it is the dominant culture. Bernstein catalogues the basic changes multiculturalism has made in the nature of public discourse. "First is the elimination from acceptable discourse of any claim of superiority or even special status for Europe, or any definition of the United States as derived primarily from European civilization. "Second is the attack on the very notion of the individual and the concomitant paramount status accorded group identifi- cation. "Third is the triumph of the politics of difference over the politics of equality, that great and still-visionary goal of the civil rights movement. Multiculturalism here is the indictment of one group and the exculpation of all the others. . . "This obsession with the themes of cultural domination and oppression [by whites] justifies one of the most important departures from the principal and essential goal of the civil rights movement, equality of opportunity. Multiculturalism insists on equality of results." Hence it is that multiculturalists have turned Martin Luther King, Jr.'s dream into a nightmare. He asked that his children "not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character," which, as Bernstein says, is the "essential ideal of liberal- ism:' But multiculturalists say, "Judge me by the color of my skin for therein lies my identity and my place in the world." Multiculturalism requires the quotas or affirmative action that create group dislike of other groups and self-segregation. There is no other way to ensure that each valued ethnic group is repre- sented in the student body and on the faculty. Of late, educators have begun to speak of diversity instead of multiculturalism, but it is the same thing. University presidents and faculties, secondary and primary school principals and teachers, all chant the diversity mantra. So powerful has this harmful notion become that it not only dictates who is admitted to a school but sometimes deter- mines who may leave. Students of Asian ancestry, for example, have tried to transfer to public schools whose curriculum was better suited to their ambitions but been denied the transfer on the grounds that their departure would lessen diversity. One father complained that his adopted Korean daughter could contribute no non-western per- spective to the school she sought to leave because she had been brought to this country at the age of five months. No matter; she was of the requisite racial group. When the controversy was reported in the newspapers, she was allowed to transfer. But the episode demonstrates that the multiculturalists are sometimes will- ing to force a person into a cultural identity that person does not have on the grounds of ancestry alone. The quality of education must necessarily decline as students turn from substantive subjects to ideologically driven resentments, in the case of non-whites, or guilt, in the case of whites. Although white students are often required to study America's "oppressed" subcultures and their allegedly superior qualities, it is regarded as racist to require that non-whites study Western culture. That was the meaning of the radicals' attack on Stanford's Western Culture program in which students were required to sample the writings of men who had helped shape Western culture-Shakespeare, Dante, Locke, etc. A black student who objected to the program said its message was "Nigger, go home." That exclusionary inter- pretation is precisely the opposite of the real message of the pro- gram, which was "Let us study what we have in common as inheritors of a tradition." The black student's objection follows from the perverse teaching of multiculturalism that those who have been "traditionally excluded" must now reject inclusion. This has the odd effect of damaging all groups. The insistence on separate ethnic identities means that persons in each group can study their own culture, often in highly flattering and historically inaccurate form. Multiculturalism then means not the study of others but of oneself. The student who immerses himself in multi- cultural studies, who lives in a dormitory where admission is defined by ethnicity, who socializes only with members of his eth- nic group, does not acquire the knowledge and discipline that he might have and does not learn how to deal comfortably with those of other ethnicities. One of the ways in which cultures improve is by borrowing from other cultures. Europe borrowed important aspects of mathematics, for example, from the Arab world. But the essence of multiculturalism is the isolation of groups so that they do not borrow from one another. The result is the relative cultural impoverishment of all groups. In education at all levels, the substance of the curriculum changes to accommodate multiculturalist pressures. We have already seen this in feminist and Afrocentric studies, but it is everywhere. In New York state it is official educational doctrine that the United States Constitution was heavily influenced by the political arrangements of the Iroquois Confederacy. The official promulgation of this idea was not due to any research that dis- closed its truth. Nor has any other state adopted this nonsensical idea. New York adopted it because the Iroquois mounted an intensive lobbying campaign directed at the State Department of Education. Far from this being a beneficial borrowing from another culture, it was a detrimental forcing of a false notion by one culture on another. John Leo notes that the decision "shows that some school authorities, eager to avoid minority group pres sure and rage, are now willing to treat the curriculum as a prize in an ethnic spoils system." That it is ideologcally driven by guilt and not an attempt to pacify a large bloc of voters is clear from the fact that there are only a little more than 38,000 Indians in New York state, most of whom probably have no interest in the myth of the Iroquois and the Constitution. This sort of thing is happening across the country as various ethnic groups and feminists demand that history be rewritten according to their party lines. This not only debases history but pits the various groups against one another as they struggle for space in the textbooks. New York's "interest in history is not as an intellectual discipline," Schlesinger writes, "but rather as social and psychological therapy whose primary purpose is to raise the self- esteem of children from minority groups." Those who have traditionally been excluded because of race or gender are not helped by multiculturalists who teach them that European culture and standards are the cause of their difficulties and may be jettisoned, that history has no content aside from its ideological usefulness, that there are different ways of knowing, that linear thinking is a white male stratagem to oppress those who are not white or male, that standard English is no better than a variety of dialects such as "black English." To the extent the tra- ditionally excluded believe any of this, they are additionally handi- capped in life, and further excluded. To the extent they are taught that self-esteem comes before achievement and leads to achieve- ment, they are lied to and held back. --end

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Re: Experiments on Mailing Lists
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:10 PM 1/3/97 GMT, Adam Back wrote: >The only thing I would be happy to see happen in the way of list based >filtering, is anything to cut out pure commercial, non crypto related >spam. Spammers seem to have discovered mailing lists as efficient >distribution methods in addition to direct mass mailing lately. Some evildoer has been posting messages to Usenet purporting to be from "cypherpunks(a)toad.com"; some of the messages posted have been to newsgroups frequented by the make-spam-fast crowd, so now we've apparently been identified as within an especially gullible market segment. The messages sent to Usenet are labelled "SPAM BAIT" (or something like that) - apparently the sender of the messages thinks they're doing something useful. >Unfortunately this is difficult to filter automatically, and no one >has the time to do it in close to real time, and time lags hinder >discussion. For me, real time access to Cypherpunks is unproductive; I find that I get the most value out of the list if I read my accumulated messages once every day or two instead of once an hour. Also, at a "macro" perspective, too much feedback can be as harmful or inefficient as too little feedback. I think that a "3 posts per person per day" rule might produce interesting results; at least from my perspective, people who send many messages (> 5, or so) per day usually don't have anything of substance to say and I frequently skip all of their posts. It would also encourage people to avoid the "Me, too" or "I think you're an idiot" messages which can just as easily be sent privately or not at all. Implementing such a rule would be disproportionately burdensome technically and politically, so I'm not seriously suggesting that we implement it, but I do think it's useful to think of "fewer, better" posts as a goal. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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17 Dec '03

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Will off-topic libertarian bullshit be allowed on the moderated mailing list?
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, For a long time, cypherpunks mailing list has been plagued by two types of irrelevant traffic: 1) Flames by Vulis against cypherpunks and by cypherpunks against Vulis. 2) Off-topic rants about libertarian ideology, guns, poverty, Ebonics, etc etc. Both types of messages were equally damaging to the content that I consider worth reading: discussions about applications of cryptography, protocols and crypto-related code. As a result, most of the people who used to talk about cryptosystems do not do so anymore because they moved to other, less noisy, forums. It was very sad to see that nobody except Eric Murray wanted to seriously try to discuss IPG algorithm, which was in my opinion an excellent case study of a home-grown cryptosystem. Eric wrote lots of excellent C code to check the "random" number generator, but no one else was interested. Cypherpunks's uniqueness and appeal is not in the breadth of issues discussed: there are forums dedicated to libertarian issues, guns, languages, terrorism, and so on. The mission of this forum, as I understand it, was to provide amateurs with interest in applying cryptography, and professional cryptographers alike, a good place to discuss crypto-related issues productively. It is understandable that many of those people who subscribe to cypherpunks' credo of digital freedom happen to be devoted libertarians and have strong views on other political subjects. It does not justify bringing every important issue to this mailing list, however. If restrictions on content are to be imposed, it is not only fair but also rational to exclude off-topic political rants as well as flames. Both of these categories add zero value to accomplishing Cypherpunks' mission. - Igor. Appendix: what we all received when we subscribed: Cypherpunks assume privacy is a good thing and wish there were more of it. Cypherpunks acknowledge that those who want privacy must create it for themselves and not expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant them privacy out of beneficence. Cypherpunks know that people have been creating their own privacy for centuries with whispers, envelopes, closed doors, and couriers. Cypherpunks do not seek to prevent other people from speaking about their experiences or their opinions. The most important means to the defense of privacy is encryption. To encrypt is to indicate the desire for privacy. But to encrypt with weak cryptography is to indicate not too much desire for privacy. Cypherpunks hope that all people desiring privacy will learn how best to defend it. Cypherpunks are therefore devoted to cryptography. Cypherpunks wish to learn about it, to teach it, to implement it, and to make more of it. Cypherpunks know that cryptographic protocols make social structures. Cypherpunks know how to attack a system and how to defend it. Cypherpunks know just how hard it is to make good cryptosystems. Cypherpunks love to practice. They love to play with public key cryptography. They love to play with anonymous and pseudonymous mail forwarding and delivery. They love to play with DC-nets. They love to play with secure communications of all kinds. Cypherpunks write code. They know that someone has to write code to defend privacy, and since it's their privacy, they're going to write it. Cypherpunks publish their code so that their fellow cypherpunks may practice and play with it. Cypherpunks realize that security is not built in a day and are patient with incremental progress. Cypherpunks don't care if you don't like the software they write. Cypherpunks know that software can't be destroyed. Cypherpunks know that a widely dispersed system can't be shut down. Cypherpunks will make the networks safe for privacy. [Last updated Mon Feb 21 13:18:25 1994]

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17 Dec '03

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The Problems are Gay
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Most of the time, the problems are Gay... On Sat, 4 Jan 1997, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > >From csm-tkt(a)support.psi.com Thu Jan 2 15:36:04 1997 > Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) > via UUCP; Thu, 02 Jan 97 16:36:55 EST > for system > Received: from support.psi.com by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via SMTP; > id AA06690 for postmaster; Thu, 2 Jan 97 15:36:04 -0500 > Received: by support.psi.com (8.6.12/PSI) > id PAA23158; Thu, 2 Jan 1997 15:36:02 -0500 > Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 15:36:02 -0500 > Message-Id: <199701022036.PAA23158(a)support.psi.com> > From: Customer Support Mgmt Tickets <csm-tkt(a)support.psi.com> > To: postmaster(a)dm.com > Cc: abuse(a)psi.com > Subject: csm-00974 (ticket update) dns-77660 (ticket update) Can you help? > > Ticket #csm-00974 01/02/97-15:35:37 mikea SUBJECT: dns-77660 (ticket update) Can you help? > Posted by: Michael Abelson > ---------- > > > This is to inform you that we have received complaints > about traffic apparently originating in your domain. These > messages are unwelcome intrusions that violate unwritten rules > of the Internet, and are strongly resented. Please confirm > that you are aware of these complaints and are taking measures > to stop this practice. I have attached a portion of a complaint > for your information. > > Thanks for your help on this issue. > > Sincerely, > > PSINet Customer Support > > > > >I had lunch with Gilmore once. He slurps rather disgustingly when he eats. > >I suppose he slurps the same way when he sucks big dicks in San Francisco. > > > > >Much of the time on the Internet, when some asshole pulls plugs and tries to > >silence dissent, he turns out to be Gay. In particular, King John Lack-Clue ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I rest my case. > >Gilmore, the Supreme and Absolute 12" Ruler of the "cypher punks", is an > >effeminate, limp-wristed, self-admitted and -exposed cocksucking bitch. > > > > >

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