December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Phrack, where can i find it?
by varange＠crl.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim Scanlon <tfs(a)adsl-122.cais.com> writing [ 762] bytes in <$m2n21503-.9612012338.AA09683(a)adsl-122.cais.com> from nexp.crl.com!usenet73.supernews.com!news.good.net!news.good.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!phase2.worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.171.44.51!scramble.lm.com!mail2news!toad.com!cypherpunks-errors said: > > where can i find latest (and old) phrack issues? > > > ftp.fc.net /pub/phrack has all the back issues, as well as the > current ones. Mid-1995 is about their latest issue. Their older issues truely sucked with mucho false info. -- Cheers!

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ANNOUNCEMENT: New low-noise cryptography mailing list
by Perry E. Metzger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[Sorry that this is several weeks late, folks.] "Cryptography" is a low-noise mailing list devoted to cryptographic technology and its political impact. WHAT TOPICS ARE APPROPRIATE: "On topic" discussion includes technical aspects of cryptosystems, social repercussions of cryptosystems, and the politics of cryptography such as export controls or laws restricting cryptography. Discussions unrelated to cryptography are considered "off topic". If you subscribe, please try to keep your postings "on topic". In order to assure that the quality of postings to the mailing list remains high, repeated postings "off topic" may result in action being taken by the list moderators. MODERATION POLICY: In order to keep the signal to noise ratio high, the mailing list will be moderated during its initial weeks of operation. This will be changed if it appears that the list will remain on topic without moderation. TO SUBSCRIBE: send mail to majordomo(a)c2.net with the line subscribe cryptography in the body of your mail. If you wish to subscribe a mailing address other than the one you are sending from, send a message with the line subscribe cryptography [address]

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NEWS.COM Dispatch 12.02.96
by The CNET newsletter 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

*************************************** CNET's NEWS.COM DISPATCH 7:03 p.m. (PT) Monday, December 2, 1996 San Francisco, California, USA *************************************** WELCOME! *************************************** The NEWS.COM DISPATCH highlights the up-to-the minute technology news presented by NEWS.COM. It tempts readers with coverage of today's hottest stories, news in the making, (in)credible rumors, and other indispensable information. For complete versions of the stories updated all day long, head over to: http://www.news.com/?nd *************************************** CONTENTS SCOOPS AND TOP STORIES IBM plays doctor Net boom eludes main street Battles with Gates...pricing snafus...huge quarterly loss? No problem for AOL! DEC and Carrera team up to create 500-MHz workstations and servers ANNOUNCEMENTS An easy way for you to customize NEWS.COM Late-breaking stories just a click away with Desk Top News Send us your questions, comments, flotsam, and jetsam *************************************** SCOOPS AND TOP STORIES IBM PLAYS DOCTOR Big Blue is developing an innovative Internet "immune system" that intends to do battle with one of the Internet's nastiest hazards - viruses. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C5829%2C00.html?nd NET BOOM ELUDES MAIN STREET We've all heard the seductive hum of the buzzwords: e-commerce, online advertising, new economic paradigm, secure commerce. And yet, many of those who actually put their sites where their mouths are seem to find one sound to be conspicuously absent: the happy cha-ching of the digital cash register. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C5824%2C00.html?nd BATTLES WITH GATES...PRICING SNAFUS...HUGE QUARTERLY LOSS? NO PROBLEM FOR AOL! A mere six weeks after a white-knuckled corporate bungee jump during which its stock plummeted to the 22-3/8 mark--AOL's stock rose more than 13 percent in a single day. A major factor in this comeback is the "big news" (300,000 subscribers' worth) expected to be announced at the firm's semiannual partners' conference tomorrow. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C5825%2C00.html?nd DEC AND CARRERA TEAM UP TO CREATE 500-MHz WORKSTATIONS AND SERVERS Aiming at Internet, scientific, and multimedia markets with their insatiable appetites for processing power, the DEC/Carrera team can boast about offering one of the fastest processors in the world. That is, until 1997, when the race gets even faster. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0%2C4%2C5818%2C00.html?nd *************************************** ANNOUNCEMENTS AN EASY WAY FOR YOU TO CUSTOMIZE NEWS.COM So many bits, so little time? Sounds like you need Custom News. Identify the topics, keywords, or sections you're most interested in, and Custom News will a create a page of headlines and summaries for all stories that match your criteria. Check it out at: http://www.news.com/Personalization/Entry/1%2C21%2C%2C00.html?nocache=1 LATE-BREAKING STORIES A CLICK AWAY WITH DESK TOP NEWS How would you like having split-second access to the very latest news on the Net? Our Desk Top News feature puts our 20 most recent stories right there on your desktop for you to review at any time. Here's how it works: 1. From any story, click Desk Top News in the top right. 2. A window will open showing our last 20 stories. 3. Click on a headline to display the story. 4. Desk Top News updates itself every 30 minutes. 5. You become known as Ms./Mr. Cyber-Info. It feels good. http://www.news.com/Help/Item/0%2C24%2C12%2C00.html?nd SEND US QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, FLOTSAM, AND JETSAM If you have any questions, suggestions or remarks, send us a message: newsdispatch(a)cnet.com CNET: The Computer Network http://www.cnet.com/ http://www.news.com/ http://www.gamecenter.com/ http://www.download.com/ http://www.search.com/ http://www.shareware.com/

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DES/IDEA In Linux loopback devices...
by The Deviant 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Does anybody know where the archive for this kernel patch is? --Deviant PGP KeyID = E820F015 Fingerprint = 3D6AAB628E3DFAA9 F7D35736ABC56D39 "If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be true." -- Spock -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMqOj+zCdEh3oIPAVAQF50gf+OA4aDrXpFSTUcpeHRzJC0xIu+TsOi7NI w0qWAK6V9c7olJLqzvUwPt1JkvsihSr8z12JUtGrRjuYUW+Zq4rueX1iwmPmt0EZ HUTZ1Ky6j0L/Ewn5YDjL6QV++zZuLNCCqVXkMee0ezrwi4GwyMMB1cKfbsnkprzu 2oQyDcEJvFXmkEKFv+u54DDB9viOEyBfVJoEHZtzaFrVFtf/QqY9KEY8JuJC6s67 FK4i5ltS4vzCu2cL4EmmWyJDvhPycdOBksU+yrPci4vB1PFzlQJ9I+Vz8Pr/fY6m BwLDu2Ptd9ZfOG51oSI4MaUxeD/Suxt9hPFVe5aU7xCMQ8f5UUbGtA== =R2Xk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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(no subject)
by Javier Rivera 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

unsuscribe cypherpunks

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Logos here
by LOGOS 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sovereign collegues, I am Logos. I have adopted this pseudonym to conceal my 'true name'. I want the ideas which I shall be espousing to stand or fall on their own merits and not on the basis of biases that my name, sex, ethnicity, etc. might otherwise elicit. I hope my contributions to this list will be seen as positive by most list members. I intend to limit my postings to only two meta-topics: decorum and logic. In other words, the way we speak to each other and the quality of our argumentation. Decorum From time to time, I will 'call' posters on their intemperate use of rude or provocative language. I believe Cypherpunks should be a market place of ideas, not a forum for egos and insults. The two houses of the American congress have adopted rules of decorum. Members may be censored or expelled for personal attacks and verbal abuse of other members. This was mandated for a very practical reason. It was realized that insults, profanity, 'fighting words', etc. could get so out of hand that they could interfer with the legitimate work of the congress. While some might say that in the case of the congress, this would be a good thing, I believe in the case of Cypherpunks, it is a bad thing. I, therefore, call upon each Cypherpunk list members to personally adopt such a code of conduct for themselves. If Democrats can refer to Representative Gingrich as 'my esteemed collegue' and Republicans can talk about the 'honorable' Ted Kennedy, I see no reason that we cannot treat Tim May and Dimitry Vilus with similar respect and courtesy. What is at stake is far more important than egos. Cypherpunks defeated Clipper, but of late they have only defeated themselves. Logic The average reader of this list has sufficient education and intelligent to understand the most informal logical falacies. Yet one sees such falacies committed here with disapointing regularity. I will post definitions of the most common falacies and will use examples found on this list as illustrations. If we are to be persuasive among ourselves and with others, we need to be rigorous in our thought processes. I would be honored to hear your thoughts on this post. Logos out.

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Modulating the FM noise spectrum considered infeasible
by Timothy C. May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:30 PM +0100 11/29/96, Pavel Korensky wrote: >paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk wrote: >> >> I`m not entirely sure about the possibility of correlations in any of >> these sources but they aren`t really a good idea because all can be >> accessed by someone else. eg. Steal your random noise audio tape, >> sample dolby decoded sound at the same time as you etc. > >And what if I will use FM receiver, tuned on some channel where is the noise. >If the potentional attacker don't know the what channel was tuned, he is not >able to reproduce this IMHO. Of course, maybe it is possible to record the >whole >spectrum to tapes, but I think that the noise will change when recorded and >played back from tape. Not to mention the point that an external attacker--say, the NSA van parked across the street--will under no circumstances be able to measure "the" spectrum: his antennas cannot possibly measure the signals (at the lower bits) seen by the FM receiver, noise source local to the computer, whatever. (Obviously other SIGINT/TEMPEST methods might be able to read the bits in other ways, but this is a different issue. Ditto for black bag cryptanalysis, which is usually the most cost-effective approach.) Likewise, feeding the FM antennas with "special hiss" is implausible in the extreme. Again, the attackers don't know antenna responses, atmospheric and room geometry variations, etc. Even if the FM hiss were to be somewhat biased, the LSBs would have a fair amount of entropy....collecting and distilling this entropy would still be trivial. Yes, this is all obvious stuff. But it keeps coming up. Not even the NSA has the super powers to modulate the FM noise spectrum in a cost-effective way. Having said this, Johnson noise makes a superior noise source, if a physical source is desired. --Tim May Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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[IMPORTANT NOTICE] Mercenne primes
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Tim May studied yoga back-streching exercises for five years so he could blow himself (nobody else will). ' ' ' ' ^-O-O-^ -ooO--U--Ooo- Tim May

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test new web site
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

look at my page and tell me how you like it if you dont like it please tell Mr.Angry , just click on the un happy face on that page for a quicker reply PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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Speedbumps
by jbugden＠smtplink.alis.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Zona Research Inc. Sun Wins China Internet Backbone Deal Sun Microsystems announced it has been chosen by China Internet Corporation (CIC) to provide equipment and technology for CIC's Internet/Intranet network for China -- the China Wide Web (CWW). Pursuant to a nonbinding memorandum of understanding, CIC intends to purchase $15 million of Sun servers and network security and management products, as well as Java computing technology. Expected to service 50 major Chinese cities, the CWW will enable companies within and outside of China to search, exchange, and promote business information and services. The significance of this deal goes beyond its face value in dollars. * We believe the CWW will assume the characteristics of a national Intranet*, becoming an important vehicle for Chinese communications and commerce. As a key supplier of technology to CIC, Sun gains a high profile status within China, which we believe gives Sun significant leverage on future Chinese Internet/Intranet deals. Overall, this deal provides Sun with a major inroad to the Chinese Internet market.

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RE: Modulating the FM noise spectrum considered infeasible
by James A. Tunnicliffe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> [...]Having said this, Johnson noise makes a superior noise source, > if a physical source is desired. > > --Tim May Yours makes NOISE? Impressive... In this case, I guess entropy is preferable to atrophy, though. :-) Tunny ====================================================================== James A. Tunnicliffe | WWWeb: http://www.inference.com/~tunny Inference Corporation | PGP Fingerprint: CA 23 E2 F3 AC 2D 0C 77 tunny(a)Inference.com | 36 07 D9 33 3D 32 53 9C ======================================================================

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Anyone considered adding crypto into Microsoft Outlook?
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I've been playing around with the new beta of office '97. The main addition is a pretty nice integrated calendar, task list, address book and email doobrie. It just struck me that it would probably make the most convenient platform for integrating cryptography. After all MAPI is an open, extensible API allowing ready access to the email "hooks" necessary. The integration of an address book with the email system makes it very easy to add public key information into a person's entry. I'm not sure whether PGP or MOSS would be the most compatible format. Its quite possible that S/MIME would be more appropriate. It seems to me however that the main thing stopping the use of crypto has been the pretty weedy interfaces. I'm afraid the MH hacks just don't cut it. It seems to me that a downloadable plug-in would be very popular. I know a lot of lawyers who would jump at the chance to use email but realize they have to have crypto. The main problem so far seems to be the impenetrability of the MAPI documentation. Does anyone know of a usable reference or which of the gazillion Microsoft Developer network CDs one can find more information? Phill

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testing
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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Re: The Good dr. Dobbs
by eva bozoki 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Fricker <jfricker(a)vertexgroup.com wrote: > It would appear that Ms. Bozoki would not purchase the product sheis creating! > In order to establish trust in an encryption product more is required than > simply agreeing that the company is competent. Competence does not imply > trustworthiness. Trust can be established through review and examination of > the innards, algo's and source code. A quick read of www.dsnt.com does not > reveal any additional information on the crypto used (other than it being > 512 byte public key algo using Diffie-Hellman key exchange) I would like to point out that our white paper with technical details can be found on our Web-site: www.dsnt.com/whitepaper.htm -- Dr. Eva Bozoki Chief Scientist DSN Technology, Inc. (516)467-0400

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PRIVACY: X-No-Archive and mail.cypherpunks
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, This is primarily addressed to the person who supports cypherpunks mail-to-news gateway. If you know who such person is, please send his/her address to me. Dear gateway maintainer, Please modify your reposting program so that it does not remove the X-No-Archive: yes header line from email messages. This particular header line is an indication to USENET search engines that the author of the message would not like it to be stored in these engines. It preserves the author's privacy and enforces the copyright protection. I am opposed to seeing my articles showing up in DejaNews and other search engines. All my emails and usenet postings have this header line. However, when cypherpunks-to-newsgroup gateway reposts all articles, it strips this header line. I believe it to be a mistake and hope that it will be corrected. Thank you. - Igor.

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Re: Most "digital cash" does not deserve the name
by Matthew J. Miszewski 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(snip) >(Just for the record, what the hypothetical insurance companies and >employers are doing by using data they have obtained should not, in a free >society, be illegal in any way. All information contributes to >decision-making, about loans, credit, insurance, employment, etc. In a free >society, it is up to people to not disclose that which they do not wish >remembered.) While the libertarians on the list have affected my way of looking at regulation I, and others, do not subscribe (suscribe ;)) to Tim's absolute theory. Unless, of course, by free society Tim is refering to one where corporations hold themselves to a level of "personal" responsibility, which in many realms is part of any definition of "free". Take, for example, the practice of redlining. How are people who live in "bad" neighborhoods supposed to not reveal that information. Has anyone tried to get a loan or a reasonable insurance rate without disclosing your address? Like I said, if insurance companies exercised some "responsibility" as opposed to inaccurate assesments based on residence, then this problem would not exist. In the real world one can not avoid all collection of data to be used in Bad(TM) ways. Media attention doesn't work. Bad Business practices dont matter to most. But those in need here should not have the luxury of appealing to their elected officials? Matthew J. Miszewski > >--Tim May > > >Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" >We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. >"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway." > > > > >

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Copyright violations
by alzheimer＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Washington Post: Monday, December 2, 1996 Folks Who Welcome Charge Cards By Daniel Grant In days past, one measure of someone's wealth was the thickness of his or her wallet. Nowadays, many consumers carry hardly any cash at all, relying instead on the cards issued to them by major credit card companies. Most self-employed people and those who work out of their homes recognize that an increasing number of the people who buy from them are more likely to pay with a credit card than with cash or a check. A benefit of being paid by credit card is that, first, by not carrying large amounts of cash or checks one is less vulnerable to robbery and, second, financial institutions credit one's bank account faster for a payment by credit card than for a check. As a result, more and more self-employed individuals are seeking authorization from banks and other financial institutions to accept payment by credit card. Banks that issue Diners, MasterCard and Visa cards, however, have become increasingly wary of extending such authorization to individual entrepreneurs. "Citibank is no longer accepting applications for credit card processing for home-based operations," company representatives in the bank's Merchant Services section are instructed to say. Other banks say the same, citing a recurring problem of mismanagement and fraud on the part of these entrepreneurs. Problems include refusing to resolve complaints from customers, going out of business, running into debt and declaring bankruptcy, relocating elsewhere without revealing their new addresses. Clyde Heasly, an adviser to entrepreneurs at the Small Business Administration in the District of Columbia, says, "I just tell people to call the credit card department of bank after bank after bank until someone eventually will take care of you." Some people will do just that. Others apply directly to American Express (800-445-2639, ask for Establishment Services) or Discover (800-347-6673), which grant permission to accept payment by these cards directly, without the intercession of a bank. An ongoing problem for banks is the merchant's lack of a "storefront," a business address where the seller can be found most weeks during business hours. "I was told by a number of banks, 'If you don't have a storefront, you can't be a credit card accepter,' " says Ed Duggan of Boca Raton, Fla., who with his wife, Helen, makes teddy bears out of recycled fur coats, which they sell at arts and crafts shows. "When I finally found a bank that would let me process credit card receipts, it charged me 5 percent on all sales plus deposit charges plus verification charges, and there may have been some other charges." Other sellers who are often on the road say they have had the same experience: "I had been banking with this East Dallas bank for 12 years, establishing a good history, but when I asked to process credit card orders, nothing about me was good enough because I didn't have a storefront," says Sharon Johnston, a jewelry maker in Dallas, who largely sells her work at shows or through mail-order. "Finally, I made up a 3-by-5-foot storefront in a friend's gallery in order to have a store address that wasn't my home address." Both the Duggans and Johnston eventually moved their credit card processing accounts to Electronic Card Acceptance Corp. in Alexandria, which set up merchant accounts for them at banks, lowering their fees to 1.75 percent of sales. There are a number of bank brokerage firms to which sellers of all kinds, including those who work out of their homes, may apply for permission to accept credit card payment. The largest include Seattle-based Card Services International (206-608-1364), First Data Resources in Omaha (402-222-2000), and First USA Payment Tech in Dallas (214-849-3776), as well as Financial Alliance (800-928-2273 or 502-339-0595) and National Processing Co. (502-364-2000), both in Louisville. Such companies arrange approval for merchants through banks that are willing to take on the risk, accepting some or all of the major credit cards. There also are several hundred other companies around the country, known as independent sales organizations, or ISOs, that look to sign up merchants for these brokers as well as for certain banks. Most ISOs belong to the Electronic Transactions Association (3101 Broadway, Suite 585, Kansas City, Mo. 64111; 800-695-5509). "We probably work with about 20 new customers a month," says John Carro, president of Tri-State Merchant Services in Hauppauge, N.Y. "A lot of them sell by mail-order or telephone, and it is often a type of second or additional income. We get almost all of them through referrals from banks who don't want to handle them because of the perceived risk factor." That risk, Carro says, is the potentially weak financial situation of the merchant who may be able to sell items but not have money (or other collateral) in the bank in the event of "charge-backs" -- a dissatisfied customer wanting his or her money back. The bank, or whoever processes the charges, ultimately is responsible for those debts. Whether applying to a bank or bank brokerage company, American Express or Discover, all applicants are asked for basically the same information: name, address, Social Security number and telephone number (also, home address and telephone number if the applicant's place of business is elsewhere); the applicant's bank; how long in business; what products are being sold; the average price for products sold; how the product is marketed; annual or monthly sales volume of sales; the state sales tax number or federal tax identification number; business references (suppliers, patrons, shops or galleries). Additionally, the applicant may be asked to submit federal tax statements for the preceding two years and/or bank statements for the preceding three months. Applicants are asked how they plan to process credit payments. There are two main methods of processing credit card receipts: manually, using an imprinter and later that day processing the charges into an IBM-compatible computer and transmitting them via modem to the bank or bank brokerage company; and electronically, through a point-of-sale terminal, of the kind one often sees used in restaurants and department stores. The benefit of the point-of-sale terminal is that approval of the credit card takes less than a minute, reducing the risk factor for fraud. Such terminals, however, generally cost far more than the software required for the modem method, and they also require separate telephone lines, which may not be available at many arts and crafts shows. The credit companies check business and credit references (through the same sources as a mortgage broker), the applicant's financial history and other relevant information. For instance, Card Services International will hire a local appraiser to examine where the applicant works, taking photographs of the person's house, sales booth and studio in an attempt to determine the viability of his business. The approval process normally takes one to three weeks. As anxious as people may be for a credit company to approve them, they should shop around for the best rates, which vary widely. American Express, for example, has no application or setup fees, and it charges merchants an average of 3.5 percent (if the sale is processed electronically) and 4.5 percent (if the sale is processed manually) for each sale. (Working with American Express is complicated in that one does not submit charges to the company and, instead, must use a third-party processor, which involves an extra charge.) Financial Alliance, for its part, takes 2 to 3 percent of the sales price (depending upon the volume, lowering the rate for higher sales), but it charges a $ 125 application fee, a $ 7.50 monthly statement fee, transaction fees of 20 to 30 cents per sale and adds a $ 695 charge for the purchase of the imprinter, computer terminal and modem (for transmitting charges back to the company) and credit card decals. Other companies' rates range from 2 to 5 percent (depending upon the average price of the pieces sold, with higher rates for less-expensive items), and there may be application and monthly maintenance fees. Some companies sell point-of-sale terminals to customers for less than others, but their percentage rate may be higher. Thus there are several factors to weigh in selecting one company over another. Different companies also have their own prejudices. American Express does not allow its cards to be used when selling as a wholesaler to retail outlets, for instance, and Financial Alliance is unwilling to authorize credit card activity for all but the smallest amount of mail-order sales. "Mail-order is a high-risk business," says Dave Lutrell, sales manager at Financial Alliance. "You don't know who's calling in. They can have fraudulent cards. It's better when you can see the customer." Boston Globe: Sunday, November 24, 1996 Rocking the Cradles of Capitalism By Maria Shao Harvard Business School and the Sloan School of Management at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, rivals in the samll world of elite business schools, are separated by much more than the Charles River. Harvard, renowned for turning out the future chief executives of America, has long ben a citadel of general management education. Sloan, with a reputation for producing financial wizards and high-tech managers, has grown up under the umbrella of one of America's premier technology universities. Now, in an era when business schools are jockeying more than ever to attract top students, Harvard and Sloan are, in some ways, tring to become more like each other. "I'm the poster child for poets," declares Sarah Fulkerson. Indeed, the 28-year-old majored in the philosophy of religion at Williams College, holds a graduate degree in art history, and, for four years, owned and managed the Boston Banshees, a men's professional bicycle racing team. So what's she doing at the Sloan School of Management? Students such as Fulkerson are proof that the business school at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology has moved beyond its image as a training ground for "quant jocks" and computer nerds. No one could be happier about that than Glen L. Urban, dean of the 44-year-old business school. A marketing specialist and sometime sculptor, Urban has followed celebrity economist Lester C. Thurow -- his predecessor -- in broadening the school's reputation beyond a technological niche. "We want them to be general managers and technologically smart. It's not either or," says Urban, 56, whose bold suits, shoulder-length hair and silver bracelet defy the pinstriped stereotype of a business dean. Since becoming dean in 1993, Urban has revamped the curriculum, launched global projects, started forays into "distance learning" and overseen a 40 percent increase in Sloan's MBA enrollment. The efforts seem to have paid off: Sloan has moved up in magazine rankings, to No. 9 on Business Week's 1996 roster, compared with 13th in 1992. In U.S. News & World Report rankings, the school slipped to No. 2 in 1996, down from first place in 1995, but up substantially from No. 6 in 1993. While all the elite business schools are enjoying an applications boom, Sloan has experienced the biggest windfall: Applications soared 80 percent between 1994 and 1996. This past year, 83 percent of those accepted chose to enroll, up from 66 percent three years earlier. Still, at least locally, Sloan is often overshadowed by its richer, bigger and more well-known rival across the river. Harvard Business School is viewed as the preeminent breeding ground for corporate chief executives, has a far bigger base of loyal alumni and boasts a $ 545 million endowment, compared with Sloan's $ 153 million. While HBS's stately neo-Georgian campus boasts manicured lawns, tennis courts and 27 well-appointed buildings, Sloan faculty and students are squeezed into four industrial-style buildings featuring metal file cabinets, linoleum floors and flourescent lighting. And unlike HBS, which operates autonomously from the rest of Harvard, Sloan maintains close links with MIT, particularly its School of Engineering. The MIT shadow has been both a blessing and a curse. "We don't want to run away from our strength. I want to be perceived as having the technological skills, but I don't want the shadow of being seen as nerds," says Urban. The school still has far to go before burying the numbers-crunching image. A hefty 45 percent of its MBA students majored in engineering as undergraduates while 12 percent majored in math and sciences. A survey found that some corporate recruiters still view Sloan as a "technical business school" rather than a "management school." "It takes a long time to change market perception," says Ilse Evans, career placement office director and a former software marketing executive Urban hired to promote Sloan among recruiters. "I see an enormous future for an MBA with a technology-oriented curriculum. General management and a grounding in technology are going to meet." Even Fulkerson, the poet-turned-Sloan-student, says she chose to attend the school because "it had such quantitative weight . . . I have a very liberal arts background. I wanted to balance myself out." Under Urban, the school has done much to balance itself out. In 1994, it began granting a master's in business administration instead of its traditional master's of science in management. With the MBA, Sloan dropped its longstanding thesis requirement. Today, the vast majority of students choose the MBA. The curriculum has been revamped to emphasize "soft" people skills as compared to "hard" quantitative and analytical skills. Students are now required to take a communications course. And, in an effort to teach teamwork, they're divided into groups of eight for first-term classes. The more flexible curriculum -- fully implemented last year -- features required core courses in the first term, followed by a choice among seven different "tracks," such as financial management, entrepreneurship and manufacturing. Urban himself seems to be the antithesis of the MIT financial jock. An expert on linking market research and product development, he is also a sculptor whose creations adorn his office: stone and metal abstract pieces, a welded steel eagle and a glass-topped coffee table with metal bolts as legs. A "Dean's Gallery" outside his office displays art by MIT faculty, staff and students. "Creativity is in an important element for my job, and important to train our students in," says Urban. Now, as the business world goes global, Urban (along with many other leading business deans) is pushing his school's brand of management education beyond American shores. Already, Sloan's student body is the most international of the top business schools, with 37 percent of its MBA candidates coming from outside the United States. Seizing on the cachet the MIT name has long enjoyed in Asia, Urban launched alliances in June with two of China's leading universities, Fudan University in Shanghai and Tsinghua University in Beijing. Sloan also has collaborations planned or under way in Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, India, Mexico and Chile. And while Harvard may be an Information Age neophyte, Sloan is well under way in using technology to transform teaching and learning. A $ 3.5 million trading room features Wall Street-style technology for teaching financial engineering. An evangelist for what is called "distance learning," Urban foresees a day when business education can be delivered to students - particularly executives taking mid-career or refresher courses - around the globe without leaving their job sites. In December 1995, Sloan installed two distance learning facilities. A system design and management program will teach engineering managers by videoconference hookup; the students will come from AT&T, IBM, Raytheon and other sponsors. The school recently offered a Web-based course on negotiation for alumni, many of whom logged on from home. Call it glasnost with a mouse. In the 14 months since taking the reins at Harvard Business School, Kim B. Clark has moved quickly to put his stamp on the West Point of capitalism. He has brought the tradition-bound, 88-year-old institution into the computer age and created a more open culture, all while carrying out the school's biggest curriculum redesign since the 1960s. "This place was hungry for change," declares Clark, 47, from his sparse, cavernous office in 125 Morgan Hall. While the Harvard Business School is still indisputably the world's most famous training ground for business leaders, other schools have challenged its standing in recent years. When Clark became the school's eighth dean in October 1995, many looked to him to launch innovations that would help Harvard maintain its leadership. Nowadays, "the place is on the move," the dean insists. Still, Clark, who spent 18 years on the business school faculty before becoming dean, has had to tred gingerly among a faculty of world-class egos and management experts. Says a rival business dean: "He has a freighter to move. He may be running the risk of changing too much." But so far, Clark has received plaudits from faculty and students for his most visible project: an $ 11 million technology initiative. Under his predecessor, John H. McArthur, the school had fallen behind its rivals in joining the Information Age. McArthur had frozen technology spending, according to Clark, because the school had sprouted too many disparate computer networks. Even senior faculty had to pay for their own office computers. "Up until a year or two ago, you could go there with a quill pen and papyrus," says Dwight Gertz, a graduate of the school who heads Symmetrix, a Lexington management consulting firm that recruits at Harvard. "We were behind. It wasn't a perception. It was a reality," says Clark. Clark himself is something of a computer guru, thanks to a background in technology and product development. He moved quickly to install a computer lab in the basement of Shad Hall, with 108 PCs capable of delivering desktop video. Another lab with 50 computers will open Monday. All told, 1,400 desktop machines have been replaced. The school previously had seven networking standards, six e-mail systems that weren't linked and 77 models of computers on faculty desks. That has now been simplified into a system of PowerMac and Pentium machines running on a single schoolwide intranet connecting students, faculty and, soon, alumni. Students now receive e-mail addresses with lifelong forwarding that will link them even after graduation. "We went from 1989 to 1996 in about four months," says Earl Sasser, a professor of service management. In September, the school unveiled a software "platform" that gives students customized access to everything from their daily schedules and course work to student biographies and class seating charts. Faculty members are required to put assignments, slide presentations and other course materials on line. "It's great. You can have everything at your fingertips," says Christine Dinh-Tan, a second-year MBA student. "I feel much closer to my students. We have a little electronic community rather than the class being a physical community," says professor David Upton. But Clark has grander visions than just using technology for convenience and connections. He is encouraging the use of desktop video, a technology that he says could "reinvent" Harvard's vaunted case method of teaching. (Business case involves studying a specific situation, with students discussing and coming up with their own solutions.) Upton, a professor of operations management, developed the school's first fully computerized case study. His Pacific Dunlop China case brings to life the dilemmas faced by the Australian manager of a Chinese sock factory -- through video interviews, spreadsheets, multimedia "tours" of the plant and living quarters, and simulations of the workings of the factory. "It makes the situation much richer. We don't have to tell them about the situation in a case; we can show them," says Upton. More than a half dozen such electronic cases have been written. That's still a paltry proportion of the 600 cases the school writes yearly, but Clark's goal is 50 to 100 electronic cases over the next few years. David Garvin, who teaches general management, recently ran an "electronic bulletin board" discussion for his students with 60 alumni, who ms with "smart" lecturns that can deliver full-motion video to every student desktop. Some skeptics suggest that Clark's ballyhooed high-tech plunge may be more style than substance. "It's a visible shallow sign of change. I suspect it won't have a big impact in the foreseeable future," snaps one professor. Still, Clark's championing of an electronic community at the school goes hand in hand with the more open culture he has fostered. While McArthur rarely used e-mail, Clark makes a point of returning student e-mail. "The students have been very respectful of my time. I have not been inundated," he says. He has held numerous question-and-answer sessions with students. Twice a year, he holds a campus party for staff and students, the most recent one a "Family Day" with pony rides and golf demonstrations. "They're trying to be more customer-focused, trying to please the students," says student Dinh-Tan. "There's more openness and dialogue," says professor Garvin. While McArthur ran the school with a tight circle of senior faculty and administrators, Clark has given more budgeting and staffing autonomy to each of 12 academic "areas." A group of 25 area heads, senior associate deans and directors of research -- called the "Unit Planning Group" - meets monthly with him. Clark is also shifting the school to a less rigid curriculum and schedule, changes that were first planned in the early 1990s under McArthur. The school now offers a short-track MBA that takes 16 months instead of two academic years. And it now admits students in January as well as September. Previously, the school offered one monolithic MBA program, with 800 students entering each September. Professors say the new structure puts students into smaller groups, allowing for more varied course work, quicker changes and a more personal experience.

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Re: Counterproductive Dorothy Denning Flames
by nobody＠zifi.genetics.utah.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:10 AM 11/27/1996, Mike Duvos wrote: >William H. Geiger III writes: > > > Dorthy Denning is a boot-licking fasicist!!! > > > William Reinsch is a lying bastard. Fucking politions!! > > Fucking goverment!! They all deserve a long rope!! > >It is perhaps a point in Dr. Denning's favor that her most >vitriolic detractors can spell neither "Dorothy" nor "fascist". > >I must admit that I am at a loss to understand the heat which >Dorothy Denning generates on the Cypherpunks list, which seems to >be second only to the heat generated by posting recipes for roast >feline in rec.pets.cats. I find it interesting that you see Willam H. Geiger as a spokesman for the cypherpunks list. Remember, the list is open to anyone who can operate majordomo except one. The level of vitriol expressed by random e-mail users in the whole world can hardly be said to be a "point" in anyone's favor. >All of the people I know who have met her find her to be a >pleasant person, and the occasional Email messages we have >exchanged have certainly been positive and friendly. Irrelevant, of course. Some of the most terrible people in the world have been pleasant. D. Denning may or may not be the most terrible person in the world, but her pleasantness is unrelated. >While she tends to view the Four Horsemen of the Infocolypse as a bit >more threatening than the typical Cypherpunk, I don't think her views >are so extreme as to justify the continuous screams of "crypto >toady", "government suckup", and "wicked witch" which seem to pop up >in response to her every utterance. Personally, what I have found irritating about Denning is the fact that she is widely considered to be a credible spokesperson. Statements along the lines of "I can't tell you the scenarios we are worried about because they are classified" are a little hard to take seriously in a democracy. Imagine if you or I tried to claim that we had to deploy strong crypto but that for "reasons of cypherpunk security" the scenarios with which we were concerned could not be revealed. We would be laughed out of the forum and properly so. Denning is considered credible solely because her statements are consistent with the interests and views of those in authority. >I would even go so far as to say that this list would be a lot >more entertaining if she were contributing to it, and sci.crypt >is certainly a less interesting place now than it was in bygone >days when she was posting there. Denning has little to add to the cypherpunks list. The core belief of the cypherpunks is that their mail is their business. People who do not believe this are not cypherpunks and should not subscribe to the list nor should they post to it. Sir Galahad

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:50 AM 12/3/1996, Matthew J. Miszewski wrote: >(snip) >>(Just for the record, what the hypothetical insurance companies and >>employers are doing by using data they have obtained should not, in a free >>society, be illegal in any way. All information contributes to >>decision-making, about loans, credit, insurance, employment, etc. In a free >>society, it is up to people to not disclose that which they do not wish >>remembered.) > >While the libertarians on the list have affected my way of looking at >regulation I, and others, do not subscribe (suscribe ;)) to Tim's absolute >theory. Unless, of course, by free society Tim is refering to one where >corporations hold themselves to a level of "personal" responsibility, which >in many realms is part of any definition of "free". > >Take, for example, the practice of redlining. How are people who live in >"bad" neighborhoods supposed to not reveal that information. You may lend your own money to whomever you wish. If you do not wish to lend money to somebody, that is your business. It is difficult to understand why redlining should be illegal, to the extent that it even occurs. When it does occur, we expect that eager entrepreneurs such as yourself will rush in to grab new customers. As for the privacy issue, you seem to be proposing that you have some sort of right to borrow money on terms which are not acceptable to the lender. You need not give your address just as you need not borrow the money. Of course, we hardly live in a free banking era. Most people would prefer to bank with a company that respects their privacy. Yet, banks are so tightly controlled in the United States that they most often will not dare to protect the privacy of their customers for fear of regulatory consequences. When the service is provided, it cannot be advertised. And, the banks are required to report all transactions over $10,000 or give up all information if the attorney general tells them it involves national security. You are in the unpleasant position of appealing for protection from the very people who have robbed you of your privacy. Red Rackham

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C[ocksucker] May, a product of anal birth, appeared with a coathanger through his head. /o)\ Timothy C[ocksucker] May \(o/

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Re: PRIVACY: X-No-Archive and mail.cypherpunks
by nobody＠cypherpunks.ca 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:24 AM 12/3/1996, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 10:15 AM -0600 12/3/96, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > >>This is primarily addressed to the person who supports cypherpunks >>mail-to-news gateway. If you know who such person is, please send >>his/her address to me. >.... >>I am opposed to seeing my articles showing up in DejaNews and other >>search engines. All my emails and usenet postings have this header >>line. However, when cypherpunks-to-newsgroup gateway reposts all >>articles, it strips this header line. I believe it to be a mistake >>and hope that it will be corrected. > >Igor raises an important point. > >I believe he is misguided in his expectation that his public utterances in >a forum containing at least 1200 readers (and probably more, through >gateways, etc.) that he can limit uses of his posts. Any recipient of his >public utterances may choose to quote them in other articles, forward them >to friends, archive them on his own disks, etc. > > ... > >In a free society it is impossible to control what people do with material >given to them. The best means of protecting one's writings is not to >distribute them. It is unlikely that anybody is going to pay money for our postings, even Igor's postings. Copyright is not the issue. Perhaps, Igor is worried about the unpredictable consequences of his posts being readable by anybody, anywhere, forever. The solution to that problem is straightforward and I leave it as an exercise. Red Rackham

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Re: Culling the proles with crypto anarchy
by Jeff Ubois 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The numbers quoted in the press were based on a study by the Cato Institute, "The Work Welfare Trade-Off: An Analysis of the Total Level of Welfare Benefits by the State" by Michael Tanner, Stephen Moore, and David Hartman, September, 1995. It's at <http://www.cato.org/research/pr-nd-st.html>. Extracts: * To match the value of welfare benefits, a mother with two children would have to earn as much as $36,400 in Hawaii or as little as $11,500 in Mississippi. * In New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, Hawaii, Alaska, and Rhode Island, welfare pays more than a $12.00-an-hour job--or more than two and a half times the minimum wage. * In 40 states welfare pays more than an $8.00-an-hour job. In 17 states the welfare package is more generous than a $10.00-an-hour job. * Welfare benefits are especially generous in large cities. Welfare provides the equivalent of an hourly pretax wage of $14.75 in New York City, $12.45 in Philadelphia, $11.35 in Baltimore, and $10.90 in Detroit. * In 9 states welfare pays more than the average first-year salary for a teacher. In 29 states it pays more than the average starting salary for a secretary. In 47 states welfare pays more than a janitor earns. Indeed, in the 6 most generous states, benefits exceed the entry-level salary for a computer programmer. At 01:27 AM 12/3/96 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: >At 4:06 PM -0500 11/27/96, Clay Olbon II wrote: >>At 12:46 PM 11/27/96 -0800, Dave Kinchlea <security(a)kinch.ark.com> wrote: > >>>I am not in a position to argue with you, I simply don't have the facts. >>>My question is, do You? can you cite where this figure came from, it >>>sounds like Republican rhetoric to me. Of course, I will point out, that >>>minimum wage is simply not enough to feed a family. It is (or at least >>>it should be) reserved for single folks just starting out. >> >>Can't give you the exact date, but it was an article in our local paper (The >>Detroit News). The $10 figure is not exact, as the actual number varies >>from state to state, I remember that number as being about average. > >I can confirm the gist of Clay's point: I saw a table listing "effective >hourly welfare pay" for the 50 states and D.C. This was in the "San Jose >Mercury News," at least 8-10 months ago (and presumably elsewhere, as it >was a major story). I used it in one of my articles, and gave the reference >then (sorry, not handy, and my own welfare rate does not pay me enough to >spend hours sifting through past articles for something so minor, an old >cite, that is). >

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IP address
by varange＠crl.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Well, the "danger" of posting a static IP must be even greater than with a temporary IP. Just call the police if you uncover a bonafide case of a denial of service attack. From what I gather, they take this shit seriously, and have better capacities of getting lazy admins to reveal the relevent data in their logs. -- Cheers!

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Re: The Rise and Fall of Cypherpunks WAS [Re: the Dennings]
by Dave Hayes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

attila(a)primenet.com writes: > > we, and I mean all of us, who contribute the bulk of the > > "opinions" to cypherpunks gave the mainstream press the biggest > > possible hole to run straight over us, declaring us anarchists > > and wild-eyed fanatics. unless we as a group mend our ways, and > > turn out intelligent reasoning for the advance of cryptography as > > a mainstream way of life, we will be forever consigned not only to > > the dustbin, but subject to the ridicule of both the press and the > > government. Quite surprising. This proves (to me) that cypherpunks is nothing more than lipservice, covertly contributing to the death of the human spirit which most people seem to want. "Unless we as a group mend our ways", indeed. By whose standard of "mending"? If they construct the proper standard can they not control you by that choice? Is your goal in life to be controlled by the press and the government? > > None of us are above a little sarcasm --but let's get the > > vituperative effluent out of the system. do whatever you wish in > > private mail, but keep the profane rantings off the list. The very existance of the "profane" keeps the "sacred" in existance as well. If you cannot see that, then John Grubor's lesson is wasted on you. ------ Dave Hayes - Altadena CA, USA - dave(a)jetcafe.org Freedom Knight of Usenet - http://www.jetcafe.org/~dave/usenet It is only knowledge that will destroy bias.

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RE: Counterproductive Dorothy Denning Flames
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "Sir Galahad" >All of the people I know who have met her find her to be a >pleasant person, and the occasional Email messages we have >exchanged have certainly been positive and friendly. Irrelevant, of course. Some of the most terrible people in the world have been pleasant. D. Denning may or may not be the most terrible person in the world, but her pleasantness is unrelated. ............................................................ Statements like these, with which cpunks retort to each other all the time, are examples of the ever-continuing exercise of logic which goes on on the list - even if not formally delineated nor announced as being of such intent (LOGOS). I am glad for the points which "Sir Galahad" brought up, because they point out the difference between essential vs non-essential elements in arguments like this one. Objections present the opportunity to more definitely identify what *is* the critical element which makes up the substance of an issue (such as what is really is offensive and objectionable about Denning, aside from her personality characteristics). Denning is considered credible solely because her statements are consistent with the interests and views of those in authority. Yet even if one's statements are not consistent with the established authorities, they could be credible and noteworthy to a wide audience, were the statements in consonance with reality, expressing truths observable to any (once they were isolated and identified) and understable to those who hear or read them. The 'authorities' (appointed, not necessarily actually "authorities" in terms of knowledge) may find Denning's statements agreeable because these support their own views and government positions, but what is crucial in this support is the consequence of her arguments about GAK: if her statements convince the right people into complicity, into giving up the authority over their right to self-determined privacy, then the 'authorities' will be satisified that they will not have to deal with any protesting opposition which would prevent them from implementing their plans - they can proceed with their 'authority' intact, as though it had been validated. But if she (among others, of course) cannot convince the right influential bodies that passive acceptance of the 'authorized' point of view is correct and noble, then this means that the authorities cannot not proceed as they would like, and this would reduce the power of their position in society. If there was not an issue of power involved, it wouldn't matter so much what Denning has to say or whether it is credible or not. But if what she has to say adds support to the positions of those already in 'authority' - that is, if people accept her arguments for GAK in place of their own apprehensions against it, then control in the central corridors of government will have been preserved and it will be 'business as usual'. So is Denning offensive because she is unpleasant per se, or do negative opinions of her exist because of who/what she is supporting? i.e., because she is on "their" side, rather than "ours", because she employes her reasoning to their benefit, rather than to ours whose singular authority in this matter is under contention? .. Blanc > >

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by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

try this site and tell me how you like it if you dont like it then message Mr.Angry on that page PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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test new web site
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

look at my page and tell me how you like it if you dont like it please tell Mr.Angry , just click on the un happy face on that page for a quicker reply PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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test new web site
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

look at my page and tell me how you like it if you dont like it please tell Mr.Angry , just click on the un happy face on that page for a quicker reply PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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testing
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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testing new Home Web site
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

try this site and tell me how you like it if you dont like it then message Mr.Angry on that page PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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testing new Home Web site
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

try this site and tell me how you like it if you dont like it then message Mr.Angry on that page PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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testing
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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testing
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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testing new Home Web site
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

try this site and tell me how you like it if you dont like it then message Mr.Angry on that page PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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test new web site
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

look at my page and tell me how you like it if you dont like it please tell Mr.Angry , just click on the un happy face on that page for a quicker reply PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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testing
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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testing new Home Web site
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

try this site and tell me how you like it if you dont like it then message Mr.Angry on that page PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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testing new Home Web site
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

try this site and tell me how you like it if you dont like it then message Mr.Angry on that page PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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testing new Home Web site
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

try this site and tell me how you like it if you dont like it then message Mr.Angry on that page PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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testing new Home Web site
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

try this site and tell me how you like it if you dont like it then message Mr.Angry on that page PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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testing
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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test new web site
by Phiberelic Phreaker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

look at my page and tell me how you like it if you dont like it please tell Mr.Angry , just click on the un happy face on that page for a quicker reply PhReAkInG iS a ViOlEnT pOiSoN. iT cAnNoT Be ApPlIeD eXtErNaLlY tO aNiMaL oR hUmAn TiSsUe WiThOuT sErIoUs InJuRiOuS rEsUlTs. It CaNnOt Be TaKeN iNtErNaLlY wItHoUt InDuCiNg VoMiTtInG, bLiNdNeSs, AnD GeNeRaL pHySiCaLlY uLtImAtElLy ReSuLtInG iN dEaTh. PhReAk ThE pLaNeT--http://www.angelfire.com/ne/PhreakThePlanet/index.html PhIbErDeLiC PhReAkEr

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