December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

No Subject
by Bryce Wilcox 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- There was some discussion on c-punks a little while back about exchanging DigiCash cyberbucks for other currencies (namely US$, as I recall). Is there a list or Web page where I can participate in such a market? Thanks. Bryce signatures follow /================--------------- Bryce Wilcox "Pretty Good Privacy" encrypted mail preferred bryce.wilcox(a)colorado.edu finger for public key ---------------================/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBMASWRJCUT4gUihHlAQGSUgP/WvL/OSzFl8l6PH60D1IK9gT/OAhNc9tm 1jOyKx1shbq0DNUG9uGlJksz/a7gBD20Li6t/7pQkxQbAqIY9vTPiyu3ectRD7c7 9Yqh+jQRXR3+vyE7duD0z1BLs8kSmzmP6/LX5UYx4uJwKT9q+TnOP1S7Nh5PQh0m BB1CRr5I54M= =dLV7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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No Subject
by Bryce Wilcox 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I am searching for a time-stamping service that will sign some data of mine (or a hash thereof) along with a certificate indicating what time(,date,year) the signing occurred. I want to use this to substantiate my claim that I was in possession of this data before others were. (Useful for copyrights/ patents, and possibly other things.) (Of course, I could just encrypt the data, PGP-authentify it with my private key, and post it to UseNet, but this strikes me as inefficient and impolite.) If anyone knows where I can find such a service please post here or e-mail me. Thanks. Bryce signatures follow /================--------------- Bryce Wilcox "Pretty Good Privacy" encrypted mail preferred bryce.wilcox(a)colorado.edu finger for public key ---------------================/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBMASWV5CUT4gUihHlAQFckgP8CJJrkY4hTJ1u8uOHZ2N5QfGzYWelv9n7 zXS5bcTxqT8RvHLV8Q+Ay2fbwMrtJmlnF1qWZvDACIUH6M+gYo92vtvaYeVrwv1m pOu8Ci70dGErhHINNSXeZK6QbgIp/Rh9DyubwaMFjnNO9fRhUF3X45qidnwp3x/C +zKOoDh0liM= =lmh8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Surety Digital Notary Service
by tcmay＠sensemedia.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(There was no message name on this message, so I've created one.) At 4:14 AM 7/13/95, Bryce Wilcox wrote: >I am searching for a time-stamping service that will sign some data of mine >(or a hash thereof) along with a certificate indicating what time(,date,year) >the signing occurred. I want to use this to substantiate my claim that I >was in possession of this data before others were. (Useful for copyrights/ >patents, and possibly other things.) Digital time-stamping is a recurring theme on this list. Info can be found in the Cypherpunks archives, in my Cyphernomicon FAQ, and, most easily, by contacting Surety at: http://www.surety.com/ --Tim May .......................................................................... Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay(a)sensemedia.net | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero 408-728-0152 | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Corralitos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments. Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available. "National borders are just speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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No Subject
by johnl＠radix.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I am searching for a time-stamping service that will sign some data of mine > (or a hash thereof) along with a certificate indicating what time(,date,year) > the signing occurred. I want to use this to substantiate my claim that I > was in possession of this data before others were. (Useful for copyrights/ > patents, and possibly other things.) I think Bellcore is providing a service like that. Check out their WWW site (www.bellcore.com) //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // John A. Limpert // johnl(a)radix.net

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Re: something to scare the *piss* out of ya
by Tim Scanlon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If this story is true, and can be substantiated, why the hell wern't the cops involved prosecuted, or walked out to a wall and summarily shot for crimes against humanity. The last time I checked torture and dismemberment were war crimes, and intolerable behavior in civilized nations. If it *IS* true there goddamn well should be congressional hearings on it. I would suggest contacting any of the local news media in DC, but would reccommend the local ABC affiliate, WJLA for contact since they are in the midst of tearing the ATF a new asshole (and are going to do the same to the FBI tomorrow night from what they say) over the Waco raid. The ABC affiliate here has caused new Senate hearings apparently, it seems that the longer things go on, the more nastiness is dragged out on this. If this bit wasn't true, then it's despicable propaganda, and anyone involved with it's distribution should be ashamed of themselves. I do not believe liberty and democracy can easily survive if citizens or public servants lie. True strength lives in honest discourse and the actions of reasoned men, acting in a thoughtful and honest manner. It's damned easy to run around splattering the net with nasty scare stories about the evils of LEO's, but it takes a bit more to actually do something. I'd say with stuff like this the best course would be to put up, and contact your elected offcials, or shut up. Becasue if it is true, no decent person should tolerate it. And if it isn't, damn the persons who lie for obscuring the truth. Tim Scanlon ________________________________________________________________ tfs(a)vampire.science.gmu.edu (NeXTmail, MIME) Tim Scanlon George Mason University (PGP key avail.) Public Affairs I speak for myself, but often claim demonic possession

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Re: Dr. Seuss, Technical Writer
by Christopher.Baker＠f14.n374.z1.fidonet.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In a message dated: 11 Jul 95, you stated: > What If Dr. Seuss Did Technical Writing? > > Here's an easy game to play. > Here's an easy thing to say: what if there was a complete version of this rhyme? --- Following message extracted from REC.ORG.MENSA @ 1:374/14 --- By Christopher Baker on Thu Dec 15 11:27:49 1994 From: Mike Steiner To: All Date: 15 Dec 94 02:40:52 Subj: Bits in a Box From: steiner(a)best.com (Mike Steiner) Organization: Society for the Preservation of Endangered Societies A Grandchild's Guide to Using Grandpa's Computer Bits Bytes Chips Clocks Bits in bytes on chips in box. Bytes with bits and chips with clocks. Chips in box on ether-docks. Chips with bits come. Chips with bytes come. Chips with bits and bytes and clocks come. Look, sir. Look, sir. Read the book, sir. Let's do tricks with bits and bytes, sir. Let's do tricks with chips and clocks, sir. First, I'll make a quick trick bit stack. Then I'll make a quick trick byte stack. You can make a quick trick chip stack. You can make a quick trick clock stack. And here's a new trick on the scene. Bits in bytes for your machine. Bytes in words to fill your screen. Now we come to ticks and tocks, sir. Try to say this by the clock, sir. Clocks on chips tick. Clocks on chips tock. Eight byte bits tick. Eight bit bytes tock. Clocks on chips with eight bit bytes tick. Chips with clocks and eight byte bits tock. Here's an easy game to play. Here's an easy thing to say.... If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port, and the bus is interupted as a very last resort, and the address of the memory makes your floppy disk abort then the socket packet pocket has an error to report! If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash, and the double-clicking icon puts your window in the trash, and your data is corrupted cause the index doesn't hash, then your situation's hopeless, and your system's gonna crash! You can't say this? What a shame, sir! We'll find you another game, sir. If the label on the cable on the table at your house says the network is connected to the button on your mouse, but your packets want to tunnel on another protocol, that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall, and your screen is all distorted by the side-effects of gauss, so your icons in the window are as wavy as a souse, then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang, cause as sure as I'm a poet, the sucker's gonna hang! When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy on the disk, and the microcode instructions cause unnecessary risc, then you have to flash your memory and you'll want to RAM your ROM. Quickly turn off your computer and be sure to tell your mom! (God bless you Dr. Seuss wherever you are!) +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ Origin: COBRUS - Usenet-to-Fidonet Distribution System (1:2613/335.0) -30- TTFN. Chris -- | Fidonet: Christopher Baker 1:374/14 | Internet: Christopher.Baker(a)f14.n374.z1.fidonet.org | via Borderline! uucp<->Fido{ftn}gate Project +1-818-893-1899

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Claiming unwanted keyspace
by Donald M. Kitchen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I have begun searching the unwanted 31 bit keyspace cd70000000 to cdefffffff and according to my calculations will be able to search two blocks of 31 bits a night until I get bored of starting the searches. I will be running 8+ hp9000/715s at 27,200 keys/second each. If someone was planning on searching this keyspace, let's decide on it. Thanks to those who helped me get going. Don

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Re: Don't trust the net too much (or at all)
by Tim Scanlon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"Ed Carp [khijol Sysadmin]" <erc(a)khijol.intele.net> writes: |The POPs communicate with Netcom in San Jose. As I understand it, Netcom |isn't a true distributed computing environment - all the server machines |are in San Jose. Take out the servers, you take out the ISP. There's no need to use bombs, guns, any of that nastiness. As somone pointed to here allready, it's far easier and safer to use technical means. Unfortunatly for far too many ISP's, saying security is like speaking words in an alien tounge. They just don't get it, and even if they do, they don't want to spend the money on it, or worse yet, (and more commonly lately) allocate some poor sod who becomes the overnight expert on it, which is worse than admitting that it's not a high priority. Basicly, it amounts to hack 'em and drop 'em. What is to prevent the [hostiles] from trying to develop code to secretly monitor machines at ISP's and other places? And then just take them out whenever they want... Nothing I belive. Except perhaps the security offered by decent & avalible encryption. Tim Scanlon ________________________________________________________________ tfs(a)vampire.science.gmu.edu (NeXTmail, MIME) Tim Scanlon George Mason University (PGP key avail.) Public Affairs I speak for myself, but often claim demonic possession

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Re: Speedup of bruterc4.c
by Tim Scanlon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Has anyone paralellized this code? I'm interested in running it on a paragon. Email me if you have or if you think this is worth bothering with. Tim

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There is a God
by jmm0021＠alamo.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On ABC's latenight news program I just saw a story that renewed my faith that there is a God and he is brown. It seems that the Alabama Milita was able to film a ATF event that was truly horrifing to behold. Nigger Hunging Licenses and the works. Well our friends in Alabama gave the tapes to ABC and the story was blown wide open. Our friends from Alabama in the pursuit of the ATF did the world a great service and completely restored my faith in America. Jason Montgomery ps. The spelling errors are all mine its 6 in the morning and im out of caffine. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Jason Montgomery jmm0021(a)alamo.net ----------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
by koontz＠MasPar.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> "(2) to distribute computer software that encodes or encrypts > electronic or digital communications to computer networks that the > person distributing knows, or reasonably should know, is accessible to > foreign nationals and foreign governments, regardless of whether such > software has been designated nonexportable." It would be kind of nice if we could get some first amendment protection for electronic media speech. Next thing you know they will want to extend RICO to librarians.

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Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
by koontz＠MasPar.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Even scarier is the Storm Trooper Exception (ala Steve Jackson): (j) Privacy Protection Act: Section 101 of the Privacy Protection Act of 1980 (42 U.S.C. 2000aa) is amended-- (1) in subsection (a)-- (A) by striking `or' at the end of paragraph (1); (B) by striking the period at the end of paragraph (2) and inserting `; or'; and (C) by adding at the end the following new paragraph: `(3) there is reason to believe that the immediate seizure of such materials is necessary to prevent the destruction or altercation of such documents.'; and (2) in subsection (b)-- (A) by striking `or' at the end of paragraph (3); (B) by striking the period at the end of paragraph (4) and inserting `; or'; and (C) by adding at the end the following new paragraph: `(5) in the case of electronically stored data, the seizure is incidental to an otherwise valid seizure, and the government officer or employee-- `(A) was not aware that work product material was among the data seized; `(B) upon actual discovery of the existence of work product materials, the government officer or employee took reasonable steps to protect the privacy interests recognized by this section, including-- `(i) using utility software to seek and identify electronically stored data that may be commingled or combined with non-work product material; and `(ii) upon actual identification of such material, taking reasonable steps to protect the privacy of the material, including seeking a search warrant.'.

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Steganography Mailing List
by danisch＠ira.uka.de 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For those who are interested: A Steganography mailing list was created. The mail server is in Germany, but we decided to talk english on the list. Details can be found on http://www.thur.de/ulf/stegano/ Hadmut

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Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:20 PM 7/12/95 -0400, Brian A. LaMacchia wrote: >Finally, we begin to see the attack on all forms of un-escrowed >encryption. The bill provides an affirmable defense of >giving the keys to the government ahead of time! > > `(c) It shall be an affirmative defense to prosecution under this > section that the software at issue used a universal decoding device > or program that was provided to the Department of Justice prior to > the distribution.'. We'll just supply the feds with some of the key testing code developed for collective cracking of RSA-129 or RC4. That code is "a universal decoding device or program." All it takes is a few years... <g> DCF "Since the Occupational Safety and Health Administration started 'protecting' us, there has been no significant decline in work place injuries."

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Re: LOU_nex
by Bob Billson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Black Unicorn <access.digex.net!unicorn> wrote: >> Kahoe, who was an official at F.B.I. headquarters during >> the Idaho siege, sent a shock wave through the agency's >> upper ranks. > >Lemme guess, suspended to the Bahamas while the promotion committee meets. ...soon to be followed with retirement at full government pension.

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Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
by Weld Pond 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Duncan Frissell <frissell(a)panix.com> wrote: ---------------Original Message--------------- We'll just supply the feds with some of the key testing code developed for collective cracking of RSA-129 or RC4. That code is "a universal decoding device or program." All it takes is a few years... <g> DCF ----------End of Original Message---------- That raises an interesting issue. How difficult to use or how time consuming can a program or method be to be considered "a universal decoding device or program." Can I give the feds a program that will crack my messages in a few days when run on one of their supercomputers? If this is not acceptable what will be their rational? Will they have to invent a huge new bureaucracy to manage all these devices and programs? Theoretically, every person in the US could submit many different devices and programs. One could bank on the feds losing or misplacing your program if they were innundated enough. Can you destroy your only copy of the "universal decoding program" after giving them their copy? Does every message or file I encrypt need a cleartext header that describes which of my escrowed devices or programs wil decrypt it? There are many problems with this idea of Government Access to Devices or Programs (GADOP). A toolset that could build many different encryption and decryption variations based on psuedo-random input may be a good tool to fight this nonsense. Weld Pond - weld(a)l0pht.com - http://www.l0pht.com/~weld L 0 p h t H e a v y I n d u s t r i e s Technical archives for the people - Bio/Electro/Crypto/Radio

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Anti-Everything-Ever Act
by tbyfield＠panix.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Grassley's latest nonsense has got me thinking again about the rapidly rising demonization of computers/networks/the net/etc. Remarks like... >the wire fraud statute which has been successfully used by prosecutors for >many use[r]s, will be amended to make fraudulent schemes which use computers >a crime. ...boggle the mind, since it'd be all but impossible to commit wire fraud _without_ involving a "computer." The obvious effect of legislation crafted according this kind of pseudo-thought would/will be to ensure that there's a very firm line between, bluntly, haves and have-nots--"haves" being those who are exempted by various legal machinations from this ever-expanding universe of recriminalizations of the same old actions. If Arthur commits wire fraud, he's making use of telcos' "computers" and wires to commit fraud; is his action qualitatively different if he uses NetPhone or Maven to accomplish exactly the same deed? If he uses a 12-yr-old answering machine in the process, he probably isn't using a "computer" to commit wire fraud; but if he uses a brand-new digital machine, or his kids got him a Compaq Presario, and he uses it for voice mail--he probably _is_ using a "computer." It can't reasonably be argued that the use of newer technology has any effect whatsoever--but it can of course be legislated. We're seeing more and more of this addle-headed legislation coming down the pike, and more and more of it will eventually become law: the effect, above all, will be to make just about any use of a computer potentially quite dangerous. For example, lying about your income on a credit card application is, I'm told, potential bank fraud; if things continue as they are, soon enough Mary could get slapped with yet another charge for printing answers on her dishonest application rather than writing them by hand. That isn't in any legislation I've seen, but how far off can it be? I know, I know, I'm preaching to the choir... Why? I'm going to start working on an essay (and if the wind blows right, it'll be an op-ed) about this hazy question--not that op-eds have much effect. :( Anyway, if any of y'all have archived remarks by various Kongress types, pointers, dim memories about spectacularly stupid statements, please send them my way off list: the essay's going to focus not on legislation per so but, rather, on the remarks that'll show how little these guys understand and how dangerous their incomprehension is. Much obliged, Ted

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DefCon roomshare?
by Adam Shostack 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone interested in sharing a room at DefCon? I'm fairly unobtrusive, don't smoke, and am neat enough to live with for a few days. :) Also, I'm looking for a (English text) letter frequency table. Anyone have one online? Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty I Support The Phil of any kind is lost all at Zimmermann legal defense fund once." -Hume http://www.netresponse.com/zldf ------------------ PGP.ZIP Part [001/713] ------------------- M4$L#!!0````(`">9ZQX3(*,_DG8!`-JF`P`'````4$=0+D581>S;=UQ3U__X M\9M!$E8,TT(a)PJ$10$1=*41%WW`KX$=Q[M5KK`&R%(HH+(T.M"S>NME8K=31N M:A$[K+5(K:O5BE405ZE:1"3?UTW`:K_]\/G\?O_^?CX>3^_-S;GGO,^\`^@W ------------------------------------------------------------- for next chunk to export --> http://dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/export/

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Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995
by mclow＠coyote.csusm.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

No one seems to have pointed this out, so: (maybe it's obvious to everyone else) > "Sec. 1030A. Racketeering-related crimes involving computers > "(a) It shall be unlawful-- > > . . . > > "(2) to distribute computer software that encodes or encrypts > electronic or digital communications to computer networks that the > person distributing knows, or reasonably should know, is accessible to > foreign nationals and foreign governments, regardless of whether such > software has been designated nonexportable." > IANAL, but it seems to me that if I EMAIL a copy of PGP to, say, Tim May, that I have just "distributed computer software .... to a computer network ...accessible to foreign nationals ..." even though it was "private" e-mail. Comments, anyone? Anyone? Bueller? ;-) >Get a copy of this bill from: > ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/c104/s974.is.FTP >and read it. > Betcher ass. -- Marshall "The constitution. It's not perfect, but it's a damn sight better than what we've got."

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LD tentacle?
by an215712＠anon.penet.fi 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

has anyone heard of John Bass? based on this recent message, in which he melodramatically tries to stir the shit on a RMIUG list (rocky mountain internet user group) I wonder if L.D. is in fact a John Bass tentacle, or vice versa... From: jbass(a)dmsd.com (John L. Bass) To: rmiug-discuss(a)xor.com Subject: The legacy of Ted Smith's, Gary Anderson's, and Mary Newell's actions. The legacy of Ted Smith's, Gary Anderson's, Mary Newell's, and possibly Scott Crawford's (since it was difficult to figure out which side he was on) un-ethical postings combined with inaction of the elected and natural leaders of RMIUG will reflect poorly on the group and it's leaders for years to come. This legacy includes the inaction of the entire readership of rmiug-discuss as well (with the exception of Gabe who is a guest reader from the east coast). Leadership has a number of grave responsibilities and difficult choices - the foremost of which is the preservation of ethical and moral behavior in the group - to protect the reputation of the BOTH group and it's elected and natural leadership. In some instances, none of the available options may be popular - but in-action is by far a greater failing. I deeply regret the events which have unfolded over the last two weeks. Making 10 of 31 posts in a group of 11 posters regarding the MS topic of 6/29 should not be a capital offense. Nor should questioning a board members assertions about the use of the list in the face of historical usage. Nor should questioning the tollarance of highly unethical private and public attacks upon posters. On the 29th I heeded Aleks request after reading it, and made a single additional post. As Gabe noted, we were already winding the debate down. Unfortunately, the several 1-2 hour delivery time of rmiug-discuss delayed Alek's comments. I'm am deeply disappointed that the lessons learned from the last two weeks have come at a great cost to all. I am more concerned the examples set here by Ted Smith, Gary Anderson, and Mary Newell may greatly limit discussion and participation in RMIUG. Each of you *IS* RMIUG. As a group your ethical, intellectual, and moral guidance and leadership can not be ignored in difficult or unpopular times. Many have choosen in the last 3 days to vote with their feet out of disgust. While they can distance themselves from the unpleasant events this way, it is just another form of failing to take more positive steps - maybe out of fear of being targeted themselves. I have many questions about why rmiug at nearly 700 people was unable to maintain a higher level of content (and traffic) as a tool to augment the learning curve of the many new comers to the internet, expand the horizons of all, and form the dialog to bind the readership into a effective functioning group. A highly sucessful topic in a large diverse group this size will only have the interest of 10-30% of the readership, just as the meetings do not benefit and attract the entire group each month. A topic that produces content from 7 posters over 26 messages should not create a fire. A good highly successful topic which really involves the readership, might draw comment from 1% of the readership, some 60-70 people, and include maybe a hundred or two posts. And several at the same time, even more. Expecting the ACCEPTABLE volume of the list to remain under 3-4 per day is a great burden on the usefulness of this list. One difficultly has been that some readers use ISP's and BBS's with extremely small quota's and read their mailbox's infrequently. They have been extremely frustrated at their mbox/quota overflowing from traffic around 50-100KB/wk. For others it has been the relatively poor user interface of some mail readers which limits their ability to select the articles they wish to read. It is hard sometimes to understand the small quota's in the face of disk space costing less than $.30-.50/MB. Maybe one project of this group should be to help find/provide entry level members better access and tools at a nominal or free cost. Dispite Ted Smith's slander and assertions to the contrary, I bring some objectiveness and experience to issues many would prefer to ignore. I loathe the current PC vogue to avoid conflict at all costs - - often with thick sarcasm and an unwillingness to listen to conflicting view points. I am direct, up front, listen well, accept "constructive criticism", and enjoy reasoned civil debate. I have the highest respect for someone who can present/defend their views with a reasoned arguement based upon fact and experience, and in the face of equally reasoned arguements also based upon fact and experience, augment/change their position or possibly agree to disagree when no common ground exists. I've been active some dozen times as the leading exec member of both professional and civic orgs. I last ran a SF Bay area unix users group known as UNIOPS/Silicon Valley Net(SVNet) for over 3 years almost single handledly - including printing and addressing as much as 2000-4000 meeting announcements for bulk mail each month. With current and early breaking topics and speakers I was often capacity limited by the 800 seat room ... often standing room only. When I moved it took me a year, and going dark twice, before I could find a team willing to take over the burden and continue what I had started. Before that I ran two different groups with semi-annual international Unix conferences with between 300 and 1000 attendees as "West Coast Unix Users Group" at SRI International (formerly Standford Research Institute) and as UNIOPS (before helping found /USR/GROUP now known as UNIFORM). I also spent two years on the /usr/group UNIX standards committe as the "Extentions Sub-committe Chairman". Both concurrent and prior to that I did my duty as board member of several Square Dance Clubs and Campus orgs. My public life has been second to my family for the last 7 years. I suspect in part, the hostility here results from a previous unpopular dispute where I called for the resignation of Guy Cook after having CSN drop all the mail for dmsd.com on the floor for many weeks, and then publicly deny that CSN had done so (as well as a number of other management failings at CSN). Guy and CSN have come a long way in the year and a half since, to become probably the best ISP in the state. The road was rocky, but all have learned from the experience, and I hope moved forward, including I. John L. 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full text of the Facism bill
by perry＠imsi.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Full text of the "Facism In America" bill, called by its purveyors an "anti-racketeering" bill, can be found in... ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/c104/s974.is.FTP .pm

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Re: CRYPTO: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995
by stewarts＠ix.netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/c104/s974.is.FTP Sigh. The EFF moves out of Washington for _15_minutes_ and what happens? :-) # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, Freelance Information Architect, stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com

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VENONA web page
by Jim Gillogly 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Check out http://www.fas.org/pub/gen/fas/irp/venona/ Jim Gillogly Highday, 20 Afterlithe S.R. 1995, 17:18

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Re: Anti-Electronic Racketeering Act of 1995 (fwd)
by mclow＠coyote.csusm.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> "Sec. 1030A. Racketeering-related crimes involving computers > "(a) It shall be unlawful-- > . . . > "(2) to distribute computer software that encodes or encrypts > electronic or digital communications to computer networks that the > person distributing knows, or reasonably should know, is accessible to > foreign nationals and foreign governments, regardless of whether such > software has been designated nonexportable." > So much for compression software, too. :-( Pst! Anyone want a copy of gzip? PKZip? Drop*Stuff? -- Marshall Marshall Clow Aladdin Systems mclow(a)coyote.csusm.edu Warning: Objects in calendar are closer than they appear.

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who knows about Security First Network Bank
by Syl Miniter 803-768-3759 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

There is an extensive article in the July issue of "Bank Technology News about a startup Internet bank by the name above. Does anyone know about this outfit.

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