December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Announcing - The DigitaLiberty Forum
by root＠phantom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PLEASE RE-DISTRIBUTE THIS AS YOU SEE FIT Friends of Liberty, It is becoming increasingly apparent that the arrival of cyberspace is destined to engender a fundamental discontinuity in the course of human relations. This is a source of great optimism and opportunity for those of us who believe in freedom. Many of you who participate in the lively debates that take place in these forums have seen a number of activist organizations spring up claiming to represent the cause of freedom. And if you are like me you have cheered these groups on only to watch them get bogged down in a quagmire of realpolitics. It is a sad fact that the beast in Washington has evolved into a self-perpetuating engine expert at co-opting the principles of even the most ardent reformers. Slowly but surely all those who engage the system are ultimately absorbed into the mainstream miasma of majoritarianism. For example, what can be more discouraging than watching an organization that started out as a cyber-civil liberties group shift its focus to creating new forms of government entitlements while endorsing intrusive wiretap legislation because they didn't want to jeopardize their influence and prestige amongst the Washington power elite? Some of us believe we can seek ultimate redress at the polls. Many pundits have declared our recent national elections a watershed in politics, a turning point that represents the high water mark of big government. Nonsense. The names have changed, the chairs have been rearranged, but the game remains the same. The so-called "choices" we are presented with are false, hardly better than the mock one-party elections held by failed totalitarian regimes. There must be a better way. I would like to announce the formation of a new group - DigitaLiberty - that has chosen a different path. We intend to bypass the existing political process. We reject consensus building based on the calculus of compromise. Instead we plan to leave the past behind, much as our pioneering forefathers did when they set out to settle new lands. It is our mission to create the basis for a different kind of society. If you would like to join us I invite you to read the information below. Yours in freedom, Bill Frezza Co-founder, DigitaLiberty December 6, 1994 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** What is DigitaLiberty? DigitaLiberty is an advocacy group dedicated to the principled defense of freedom in cyberspace. We intend to conduct this defense not by engaging in traditional power politics but by setting an active, persuasive example - creating tangible opportunities for others to join us as we construct new global communities. We believe deeply in free markets and free minds and are convinced that we can construct a domain in which the uncoerced choices of individuals supplant the social compact politics of the tyranny of the majority. *** Is DigitaLiberty a political party or a lobbying group? Neither. DigitaLiberty does not seek to educate or influence politicians in the hope of obtaining legislation favorable to our constituents. We plan to make politicians and legislators irrelevant to the future of network based commerce, education, leisure, and social intercourse. DigitaLiberty does not seek to persuade a majority of the electorate to adopt views which can then be forced upon the minority. We hope to make majoritarianism irrelevant. We invite only like minded individuals to help us build the future according to our uncompromised shared values. *** What do you hope to accomplish? DigitaLiberty is not hopeful that widespread freedom will come to the physical world, at least not in our lifetime. Too many constituencies depend upon the largess and redistributive power of national governments and therefore oppose freedom and the individual responsibility it entails. But we do believe that liberty can and will prevail in the virtual domains we are building on the net and that national governments will be powerless to stop us. We believe that cyberspace will transcend national borders, national cultures, and national economies. We believe that no one will hold sovereignty over this new realm because coercive force is impotent in cyberspace. In keeping with the self-organizing nature of on-line societies we believe we will chose to invent new institutions to serve our varied economic and social purposes. DigitaLiberty intends to be in the forefront of the discovery and construction of these institutions. *** But what about the construction of the "Information Superhighway"? The fabric of cyberspace is rapidly being built by all manner of entities espousing the full range of political and economic philosophies. While political activity can certainly accelerate or retard the growth of the net in various places and times it cannot stop it nor can it effectively control how the net will be used. Our focus is not on the institutions that can and will impact the building of the physical "information highway" but on those that will shape life on the net as an ever increasing portion of our productive activities move there. *** What makes you think cyberspace will be so different? The United States of America was the only country in history ever to be built upon an idea. Unfortunately, this idea was lost as we slowly traded away our liberties in exchange for the false promise of security. DigitaLiberty believes that technology can set us free. The economies of the developed world are now making a major transition from an industrial base to an information base. As they do, the science of cryptology will finally and forever guarantee the unbreachable right of privacy, protecting individuals, groups, and corporations from the prying eyes and grasping hands of sovereigns. We will all be free to conduct our lives, and most importantly our economic relations, as we each see fit. Cyberspace is also infinitely extensible. There will be no brutal competition for lebensraum. Multiple virtual communities can exist side by side and without destructive conflict, each organized according to the principles of their members. We seek only to build one such community, a community based on individual liberty. Others are free to build communities based on other principles, even diametrically opposed principles. But they must do so without our coerced assistance. Effective communities will thrive and grow. Dysfunctional communities will wither and die. And for the first time in human history, rapacious societies will no longer have the power to make war on their neighbors nor can bankrupt communities take their neighbors down with them. *** What does this have to do with my real life? I can't eat data. I don't live in a computer. Yes, but imagine the ultimate impact of mankind's transition from an agrarian economy to an industrial economy to an information economy. Our founding fathers would have consider anyone insane who predicted that a nation of 250 million could feed itself with fewer than 3% of its citizens involved in agriculture. Similarly, economist and politicians trapped in the policies of the past lament our move from a manufacturing economy to a knowledge worker and service based economy. We see this as a cause to rejoice. The day will come when fewer than 5% of the citizens of a nation of 1 billion will be involved in manufacturing - if we still bother calling geographically defined entities "nations". What will the rest of us be doing? We will be providing each other with an exploding array of services and we will be creating, consuming, and exchanging information. Most of this will occur entirely within or be mediated at least in part by our activities in cyberspace. Many of us will earn a very good living on the net. Our race, our religion, our gender, our age, our physical appearance and limitations will all be irrelevant and undetectable. Hard working individuals from underdeveloped nations who in the past might have been forced to emigrate in search of economic freedom and opportunity can now build productive lives in cyberspace. And much if not all of the wealth we create that we do not transform into visible physical assets will be ours to keep and use, beyond the grasp of sovereigns. *** What is the purpose of this forum? The DigitaLiberty Forum is a place where like minded individuals can share their views, observations, and strategies related to the development of virtual communities based on freedom. It is a place where people can exchange information and advice about how they have developed extra-territorial business and social relationships - away from the influence and outside the jurisdiction of governments. It is a forum for the posting of essays, questions, and ideas on the topic of liberty. It is a place where we can meet and debate the forms that our new institutions might take and discuss the practical problems and responsibilities that freedom entail. In time as our technology matures some of us will move on to more ambitious projects, launch other programs, and begin our virtual migration from the swamp of coerced collectivism. Best of all, there will be no need to physically move to 'Galt's Gulch' or escape to a floating 'Freedonia'. We can all participate in this exodus without hastily quitting our jobs or disrupting our lives. And as a larger and larger portion of our economic and social activities move onto the net we will create a new society, open to all with the will to enter. This new world will be interleaved with the physical world in which we now live and yet will be separate. And free. Join us as we begin the journey. *** Who can join DigitaLiberty? The DigitaLiberty Forum is open to anyone that can honestly answer yes to the following two questions: 1) I renounce the use of coercive force as a tool of social or economic policy. 2) I do not derive the majority of my income from funds taken from taxpayers. *** How do I join DigitaLiberty? If you qualify, send a message to DigitaLiberty-request(a)phantom.com with the words "SUBSCRIBE" in the subject line and the message body as follows SUBSCRIBE DigitaLiberty <your name> And welcome to the future. ###

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CIAC Notes 94-04
by Karyn Pichnarczyk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

U.S. DOE's Computer Incident Advisory Capability ___ __ __ _ ___ __ __ __ __ __ / | /_\ / |\ | / \ | |_ /_ \___ __|__ / \ \___ | \| \__/ | |__ __/ Number 94-04 December 6, 1994 ------------------- A - T - T - E - N - T - I - O - N ------------------- | CIAC is available 24-hours a day via its two skypage numbers. To use | | this service, dial 1-800-759-7243. The PIN numbers are: 8550070 (for | | the CIAC duty person) and 8550074 (for the CIAC manager). Please keep | | these numbers handy. | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Welcome to the fourth issue of CIAC Notes! This is a special edition to clear up recent reports of a "good times" virus-hoax. Let us know if you have topics you would like addressed or have feedback on what is useful and what is not. Please contact the editor, Allan L. Van Lehn, CIAC, 510-422-8193 or send E-mail to ciac(a)llnl.gov. $-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$ $ Reference to any specific commercial product does not necessarily $ $ constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation or favoring by $ $ CIAC, the University of California, or the United States Government.$ $-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$-$ THE "Good Times" VIRUS IS AN URBAN LEGEND In the early part of December, CIAC started to receive information requests about a supposed "virus" which could be contracted via America OnLine, simply by reading a message. The following is the message that CIAC received: --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Here is some important information. Beware of a file called Goodtimes. | | | | Happy Chanukah everyone, and be careful out there. There is a virus on | | America Online being sent by E-Mail. If you get anything called "Good | | Times", DON'T read it or download it. It is a virus that will erase your | | hard drive. Forward this to all your friends. It may help them a lot. | --------------------------------------------------------------------------- THIS IS A HOAX. Upon investigation, CIAC has determined that this message originated from both a user of America Online and a student at a university at approximately the same time, and it was meant to be a hoax. CIAC has also seen other variations of this hoax, the main one is that any electronic mail message with the subject line of "xxx-1" will infect your computer. This rumor has been spreading very widely. This spread is due mainly to the fact that many people have seen a message with "Good Times" in the header. They delete the message without reading it, thus believing that they have saved themselves from being attacked. These first-hand reports give a false sense of credibility to the alert message. There has been one confirmation of a person who received a message with "xxx-1" in the header, but an empty message body. Then, (in a panic, because he had heard the alert), he checked his PC for viruses (the first time he checked his machine in months) and found a pre-existing virus on his machine. He incorrectly came to the conclusion that the E-mail message gave him the virus (this particular virus could NOT POSSIBLY have spread via an E-mail message). This person then spread his alert. As of this date, there are no known viruses which can infect merely through reading a mail message. For a virus to spread some program must be executed. Reading a mail message does not execute the mail message. Yes, Trojans have been found as executable attachments to mail messages, the most notorious being the IBM VM Christmas Card Trojan of 1987, also the TERM MODULE Worm (reference CIAC Bulletin B-7) and the GAME2 MODULE Worm (CIAC Bulletin B-12). But this is not the case for this particular "virus" alert. If you encounter this message being distributed on any mailing lists, simply ignore it or send a follow-up message stating that this is a false rumor. Karyn Pichnarczyk CIAC Team ciac(a)llnl.gov ------------------------------ Contacting CIAC If you require additional assistance or wish to report a vulnerability, call CIAC at 510-422-8193, fax messages to 510-423-8002 or send E-mail to ciac(a)llnl.gov. For emergencies and off-hour assistance, call 1-800-SKY-PAGE (759-7243) and enter PIN number 8550070 (primary) or 8550074 (secondary). The CIAC Duty Officer, a rotating responsibility, carries the primary skypager. The Project Leader carries the secondary skypager. If you are unable to contact CIAC via phone, please use the skypage system. ------------------------------ This document was prepared as an account of work sponsored by an agency of the United States Government. Neither the United States Government nor the University of California nor any of their employees, makes any warranty, express or implied, or assumes any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information, apparatus, product, or process disclosed, or represents that its use would not infringe privately owned rights. Reference herein to any specific commercial products, process, or service by trade name, trademark, manufacturer, or otherwise, does not necessarily constitute or imply its endorsement, recommendation or favoring by the United States Government or the University of California. The views and opinions of authors expressed herein do not necessarily state or reflect those of the United States Government or the University of California, and shall not be used for advertising or product endorsement purposes. ------------------------------ End of CIAC Notes Number 94-04 94_12_06 ****************************************

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Re: GUCAPI (Grand Unified Crypto API)
by L. Todd Masco 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Derek Atkins writes: > Why do all this? There already exists a Generic Security System API, > GSSAPI, which is an Internet standard (or there is at least an Internet > Draft -- I'm not sure what the current status is right now, and given > that the IETF is going on this week, it's status may change). Ah, I knew of the GSSAPI's existence but hadn't realized that its scope included what I wanted. I'll read the draft on the internic and see if it does what I want. If so, the next logical step is to wrap RSAREF in it and to make a PGPish-wraparound. I'd certainly be up to the former; Would anybody else be interested in ponying up their time and effort for the PGP instance? (The draft is ftpable from ftp.internic.net, /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-cat-gssv2-00.txt) - -- Todd Masco | "'When _I_ use a word,' Humpty-Dumpty said, in a rather cactus(a)hks.net | scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean - cactus(a)bb.com | neither more nor less.'" - Lewis Carroll - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuT4LCoZzwIn1bdtAQHh9wF/TyMkm4Cd0gFzk26mdufgytY6NnHfiT3C heS9ACR9d8jwS2pu8/wvF84+sQs0nTEc =bY6Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: GUCAPI (Grand Unified Crypto API)
by maschino＠phx.sectel.mot.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(This is my first attempt at posting, please excuse any errors, and I do not yet have PGP on my employer-owned machine) > I've been thinking a lot recently about how to implement a generic API for > crypto such that the interface could be independent of the cipher used. > What I'm thinking of is something like: There are numerous industry groups working on a "security" API, including Microsoft, Novell, Motorola, Intel, etc. Major focus is transparent (to the user) security (encryption, KCA, signatures, etc) for email, local and remote file access, generalized and integrated telephony, and so forth. Of course, there are many approaches, generation by committee, personal and corporate biases, and other garbage to get in their way. What may be interesting is to look at their proposed security APIs and glean interesting ideas to be incorporated into your API. Some ideas on effective APIs: - the process of encryption/decryption, signaturing, etc should be independent of the destination/source of the data. The same API should be able to process a file, an e-mail message, an inter-process control message, etc. The API does not care what the data is from or for, it just operates on it. Of course, the API should be able to process in the various encryption modes, and may have to discriminate between a continuous flow of data and a finite size of data. - API's at this level must NEVER directly utilize the User Interface (regardless of whether the UI is graphical or textual). It should be completely irrelevant to the API whether it was invoked by an actual user, a local system process, or a remote system process. Return and error conditions are returned to the caller, which then decides what to do with the erroneous result. Error traps are acceptable too, though the trap should allow the "trapper" to decide what to do about notification or handling of the error. Of course, you recognize the hardest API is key management. Use some data and/or object modeling techniques to handle the two basic senarios and see if you can generalize it sufficiently. I have no idea about how to get the group's proposed API's. There has been several mentions in the networking trade papers about them though. Windows 95 and NT WILL have a security API based in part on the existing one worked out with Novell. Of course, security is a local issues as well as a networking or messaging issue, so I doubt their implementation will be thorough. Hope this is of some help. - Mike ***************************************************************************** Mike Maschino Email: Mike_Maschino-P17960(a)email.mot.com Motorola | "I am not speaking for my employer, Government and Systems Technology Group | and they do not speak for me" Scottsdale, AZ, USA | "Neuro-encrypto-psycho-telco-photo-proto-nympho-lego <g>-maniacs wanted by same; applications available; god-like entities always welcome" *****************************************************************************

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swIPe
by Alex Strasheim 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Has anything been happening with swIPe lately? I seem to remember reading a couple of months ago that the protocol was being revised (simplified?) and that a new RFC was going to be released soon. What's the status of the project now? == Alex Strasheim | finger astrashe(a)nyx.cs.du.edu alex(a)omaha.com | for my PGP 2.6.1. public key -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLuUFUREpP7+baaPtAQGKGQP/UN7bJfYOHIEdgV9uDnJLbJ00q4J/opLW KpDxF+yl4Nhld70YkMQ/xJ9CeGh0mrCNLz/O8nD4KLrJ87RnH2T1fMV6vdegEvxF CnDEOyRCSEa3kB3c1mkP5rtvW9PJF6GiqDkbaA86wa2usBkuv63mZjPc4EVLiZwY +0xew1PgMQs= =oHAW -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Successful use of e-cash!
by rishab＠dxm.ernet.in 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I just made my first e-cash transaction. Using, SLIP and Netscape, I webbed to HotWired to uy a sneak preview of Bruce Sterling's Prague story to appear in the Jan issue for 0.50 cyberbucks. At the same time, I ran the e-cash client (for Windows) from DigiCash. It has a beautiful interface - just a few little icons visible on the screen; it went to the back, asked me for my password to open my account, found out what my balance was, and asked me whether I wanted to withdraw $10 from the total of $100. I said yes. Meanwhile I asked HotWired to send me the Sterling piece. Unfortunately it was too quick - it came in on port (something) before the e-cash client had filled my wallet; I tried again at HotWired, by which time the e-cash status showed $10. My cyberwallet made a nice clanging sound, asked me whether I wanted to pay "Wired Ecash Shop" $0.50, and whether I wanted to set a payment policy. I'm so smart - I told the client to automatically pay "Wired Ecash Shop" if it asked for less than $2 up to 10 times. Ouch! Now I can't go back up my Web trail! When I went one step back at HotWired, for some reason it ran the e-cash 'charge?' URL, and so 'clang' went my wallet and automatically deducted another 50c! Oops. Oh well, the whole experience was worth a whole cyberdollar. I also 'bought' Chaum's SciAm article, and got the reasonable lengthy list of shops. Then I noticed it was 4 in the morning... Rishab "We know everything about you that we need to know" - Coleta Brueck, IRS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rishab Aiyer Ghosh "In between the breaths is rishab(a)dxm.ernet.in the space where we live" rishab(a)arbornet.org - Lawrence Durrell Voice/Fax/Data +91 11 6853410 Voicemail +91 11 3760335 H 34C Saket, New Delhi 110017, INDIA

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NYT on N2 and Star Wars
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Some cries of no-gets of N2_duh and RAY_dem. N=N lobbed by 8 PM EST. No get, retry. Frantic PBM sez excuse this msg.

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Re: GUCAPI (Grand Unified Crypto API)
by cactus＠seabsd.hks.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In article <199412070014.AA13652(a)sequoia.itd.uts.EDU.AU>, Matthew Gream <M.Gream(a)uts.EDU.AU> wrote: >Ohh, I misinterpreted. You're talking about a high level interface that >assumes cryptographic operations are already being used for specific >purposes (ie. `signature', `GetMIC', `VerifyMIC', `Wrap', `Unwrap'). > >I was thinking more about the layer below this, the primitive operations >that don't make assumptions on what the user is going to do; and >limitations placed thereupon. Actually, both interfaces are reasonable for the scope of this discussion. I don't have specific goals in mind yet: I want to bounce around ideas before coming up with something more specific. The GSSAPI has the advantage that Kerberbos services have already been provided for that API: There's no reason, however, that the two goals need to be mutually exclusive. I'll have to read the GSSAPI doc carefully and get a sense of what problems it solves. >I found >out yesterday that I've taken out a prize for the best work conducted >by someone under the age of 26. There is a certain irony in being >awarded the prize by a Government department :-). Nevertheless, congratulations! - -- Todd Masco | "'When _I_ use a word,' Humpty-Dumpty said, in a rather cactus(a)hks.net | scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean - cactus(a)bb.com | neither more nor less.'" - Lewis Carroll - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuUhSyoZzwIn1bdtAQFmRwF7BtmxdCQCHirWle87iUsqz2GnCt+dSvCR JzONMasccbF08lWnfRc0ACAQNyQIfEkD =L3dn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: backing ecash
by jrochkin＠cs.oberlin.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:47 PM 12/06/94, Paul Ste. Marie wrote: >Isn't there a problem with net-based distribution of ecash? It would >seem that Eve could intercept the ecash and spend it first. Encrypted >email return of the ecash would seem to violate the anonymity of the >ecash. Some sort of one-time encrypted return address would seem to >be necessary, but better yet would be a vending machine that took a >floppy disk and some currency and stuck the ecash on the floppy. Diffie-Hellman would seem appropriate here. Look it up in Schneier. Vending machines seem a good idea too, but one unlikely to develop any time soon. Or possibly ever, if the net becomes so prevalent that no one would think of doing anything offline that could just as well be done online.

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(Fwd) Read this, Virus info!!
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I have received two versions of this warning about "Good Times" virus, this one from mail list Design-L and a similar one from list Fiction-of-Philosophy. Some forwarded headers have been removed from this version. Has anyone on c'punks got further info or comment? John PGP 262 Key ID 34EE1095 - ------------------- Forwarding Design-L mail by: WAYDE(a)UTKVX.UTCC.UTK.EDU (Wayde Justin Tardif) on - ------------------- From: IN%"ripp0009(a)frank.mtsu.edu" "Matthew D. Hamilton" 6-DEC-1994 22:42:53.89 To: IN%"xbuj17a(a)prodigy.com", IN%"agratz(a)aol.com", IN%"wayde(a)utkvx.utk.edu", IN%"hbaldry(a)utkvx.utk.edu" CC: Subj: Read this A.S.A.P.-- VIRUS (fwd) [Multiple headers elided] - ------------------- * WARNING * THere is a virus being sent on Online America by E-mail. If you get anything called "Good Times", DO NOT READ IT OR DOWNLOAD IT. I repeat, do not read it or download it. It is a virus that will earase your hard drive. Please forward this message to everyone you have an address for. It will help them a lot. ***************************************************************** ***** "We're going to play for you now a little Oriental song. It's called Tu Ning" ***************************************************************** ***** Raenna infinit(a)umich.edu - ------------------- End Forward - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuU+YSoZzwIn1bdtAQExhwGArGY8XPi++RcOQF67mN/o3dyPhZAmA2Pe 9WlSEtNQNno1y1JjFgXERUAG6CxVT19p =/0Vy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Good times virus (ANSI BOMB?)
by adam.philipp＠ties.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >On Dec 7, 1:04am, ADAM GERSTEIN, _THE_ MACGURU wrote: >> Need I remind you of a certain Robert T. Morris? Does the "Internet Worm" >mean >> anything to you? Sure, it wasn't actual email, but it did use email and other >> means of transport to cripple the net in a matter of hours. > >The Internet Worm used the sendmail DEBUG mode to execute commands on >a remote system. It did not propogate itself via email messages, which was >what the original (ridiculous) warning claimed. > >I can't feel a lot of sympathy for people who took this announcement >seriously. Such stupidity reaps its own rewards. Although the concept of "text viruses" seems a bit far fetched to some people, there these lovely toys known as ANSI bombs. Essentially they work in a similar method to the some techniques used in the sendmail bug, but they are MS-DOS specific, they will use embedded ANSI codes to run programs as the files is viewed... anyone know what will happen if deltree /XXX (where XXX represents an unpublished string of characters) is run from the root directory of a DOS hard disk? Its gone, quickly. Sure the files can be undeleted, but undeleting a whole disk is tricky business... Maybe Good Times is a hoax, but ANSI bombs exist and using a DOS ANSI text viewer will surely be a foolish thing to do on any downloaded text file... If anyone feels the need for proof I collected a few a while back, but really don't see the need to post them...heh heh. Adam Philipp PS: Please no comments about superiority of MACs or LINUX boxs because they are immune to ANSI boms...that ought to be clear enough... - -- PGP Key available on the keyservers. Encrypted E-mail welcome. SUB ROSA: Confidential, secret, not for publication. -Black's Law Dictionary GJ/CS d H S:+ g? p? au+ a- w+ v++ c++ UL+ UU+ US+ P+ 3 E N++ k- W++ M-- V po- Y++ t++ 5+ jx R G' tv+ b+++ D++ B--- E+++ u** h-- f++ r+ n+ y++-- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuVnPSoZzwIn1bdtAQEjeAF+Pi65kg9SMBZ1bzO5gJBsumi5x2vJFgqC o0hc3bMaqLYb5WY/jlaAtWURtzXzOUc6 =/53s -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: crypto email to France
by Rich Salz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Have your French office contact the American Consulate as a way of getting started. I believe the short and effective (albeit not 100% correct) answer is\ that digital privacy is not allowed unless you give the gov't the keys. /r$

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Good times virus thing-a-ma-bobber
by ADAM GERSTEIN, _THE_ MACGURU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Michael K. Sanders is believed to have said: >Has anyone actually seen this 'Good Times' thing? I highly doubt >it. And seriously, an e-mail virus? Get real. Need I remind you of a certain Robert T. Morris? Does the "Internet Worm" mean anything to you? Sure, it wasn't actual email, but it did use email and other means of transport to cripple the net in a matter of hours. adam -=-=-=- Adam J. Gerstein MacGuru to the stars Available at: GERSTEIN(a)SCSU.CTSTATEU.EDU MACGEEK(a)SCSU.CTSTATEU.EDU A GERSTEIN(a)AOL.COM MACGEEK(a)eWorld.com an41389(a)anon.penet.fi (for anonymity) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQBWAwUBLq/fYbXVc2UFUOWNAQHu4QIBAQzD1aOCh4DV3Dg4DSJPmNu+1xGDRxND 0PavaUaBFP7GGT6EneTBwVX1ddL1PFFKdeMf8qo9FgWfG0EOHuHJTkY= =6rlg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Breaking the NSA
by Tony.Gurnick＠nzdairy.co.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

If you really want to test NSA. Encrypt some crypto code with pgp in an overseas public key(IE: non-us) then email the code to someone out of the us. This way you will find out 1 of 2 things. 1. That pgp is unbreakable by the NSA - Rsa with fairly log keys take so much work the nsa cant crack it with huge computers. This is a good thing - Idea, even though it is new, is a secure algorithm for the above reasons - You wont get in trouble as you are only sending random bits out of the country not code 2. PGP is BREAKABLE by the NSA (OUCH!) - You get in deep shit! or 3. PGP is breakable by the NSA but they dont tell anyone! (HMMM) - Well this would be an interesting one! - Since they are the ones that imposed the ITAR rule in the first place (them or the us gov) they have a prob! If they knew you were exporting crypto because they cracked pgp they could not convict you as that would imply they cracked pgp and they would tell the whole world what they can & cannot crack. It would be a big bummer for RSA and IDEA but at least we`d know! T

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RE:
by Claborne, Chris 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

One of the reasons that Phil and Ralph get anything done is because they aren't subscribed to this list. Over 300 messages a week and growing.... How about cutting the flames, the Detweiler/DM junk, HEAT postings and post substantive info, questions, or discussion. 2 -- C -- ---------- >From: Anonymous User <remailer-admin(a)goldenbear.com> >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >I don't know what is going on here. This list seems to have >bogged down in meta-issues. I am very disappointed with >Eric Hughes' recent display of feather-fluffing. He seems >to fail to understand that the list has absolutely NOTHING >to do with him personally. The full subscriber base could >MOVE IMMEDIATELY if so inclined, and indeed the atmosphere >seems to be getting a bit oppressive here. > >I hate to say this but it reminds me of when all the Detweiler >flames were erupting a long time ago. Detweiler seemed to >be especially enraged with the way that E.Hughes ran the list >in a dictatorial, "iron fist" way. He failed to understand >that his own role was merely that of a janitor, not a >celebrity with a personality cult. Is that all the cypherpunks >list is about? I tell you that this idea that "cypherpunks >code" does not mean anything. "cypherpunks talk about code >endlessly" but when it comes down to it, this whole list >is nothing but a lot of people STROKING EACH OTHER'S EGOS >while the outsiders (Phil Zimmermann, Ralph Levien) are the >only ones getting anything done!! > >

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good times
by nobody＠c2.org 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

fnord -23

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Ideal digital cash system?
by Johnathan Corgan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On page 123 of Applied Cryptography Bruce Schneier cites the work of two cryptographers and the digital cash system they invented that satisfies all six properties he listed on the same page. In his words: The authors consider this the first ideal untraceable electronic cash system. The reference [674] is: T. Oamoto and K. Ohta, Universal Electronic Cash Advances in Cryptology--CRYPTO '91 Proceedings Berlin: Springer-Verlag 1992 pp. 324-337 Is anyone here familiar with this work? Has anyone tried to implement this protocol in some manner? Also how would I go about obtaining the text of this work either in written form or online? ======================================================================= Johnathan Corgan "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" jcorgan(a)netcom.com -Isaac Asimov PGP Public Key: http://www-swiss.ai.mit.edu/~bal/pks-toplev.html Or send email to: pgp-public-keys(a)pgp.ai.mit.edu Subj: GET jcorgan ======================================================================= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLuVcyU1Diok8GKihAQGuIwP+KaH0arHX1MADCi+KHMWjSCq3VNoUR1O1 aIBagedXbegdXmzkcmdTebgfKYQKpZN3Ple8Bt1k3KzXepS/gcIZUGWeN7P5c+tC 2/zFbTLYhl+BCjZpRZ2PnxTZWYASUYoKnZ1sXeh18bYPxtR+g9BSCmleau1W5d/g yAi2QSuxdBg= =gTBc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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"Virus Alert" chain letter
by L. McCarthy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Dear AOL Postmaster: The message below has apparently been circulating quite widely. Personally I doubt the authenticity of the claim, and strongly suspect that it's just an annoying attempt to create a chain letter. In any event, it would be handy to hear some sort of statement from AOL about this matter to stem the tide of largely unproductive speculation on various mailing lists. I'm cc:ing this to the cypherpunks list <cypherpunks(a)toad.com>, and encourage you to cc: your reply to the list. I recommend posting some sort of announcement to the comp.virus newsgroup as well. Thanks very much for your time. - -L. McCarthy <lmccarth(a)cs.umass.edu> Forwarded message: > Subj: Read this A.S.A.P.-- VIRUS (fwd) > > * WARNING * > > THere is a virus being sent on Online America by E-mail. If > you get anything called "Good Times", DO NOT READ IT OR > DOWNLOAD IT. I repeat, do not read it or download it. It is > a virus that will earase your hard drive. Please forward this > message to everyone you have an address for. It will help > them a lot. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLuVdWGf7YYibNzjpAQHivQQAi8XCc4BMXVM70wDio2UZHcm7frLtmHc/ yR8ym75pKZbuN5f69MiN+OAYsV5l33TsJFIJ6Z8nEgzQwyF4a04NLfLLWNmm7CwG IX3Dc6oJhgv3xDp/o+Y8MsJyyqKRrEeXP0UcLWt/lG71dK6TSpS6TwlF38OnY/v4 ykJvT4qII2M= =3a+r -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PGPTools bug
by anonymous-remailer＠xs4all.nl 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- This is a known problem in old versions, caused by this bug in fifo_destroy. while(fb) { nfb=fb; fifo_block_unlink(fb); /* Free the block */ fb=nfb->next; /* And then read it...oops */ } It's fixed like this in later versions. while(fb) { nfb=fb->next; fifo_block_unlink(fb); fb=nfb; } Get the latest version (10d I think) from ftp.csn.net, and download a file called pgptlupd.zip. The update has the fixed fifo, among other things. Don't use the earlier versions. They have bugs. Get my latest release, not one that has been hacked by someone else. Pr0duct Cypher -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBLuPbScGoFIWXVYodAQEtSQP/YepqB2czl4/7keW8R6KMrnI2YVnvqPBJ ENXi+Ds3TGFHazdskofjra1Dwu8I2tkrH61n0YDrHRwvlZUVFxpqGW+zPamLlhNG NPdQKabtT79qXQYNCxR8KrYZnpS3p21io5nVmYduOkW0ZqvTyo2cX8iKGsDXeBpV 3idSCI+ZTr8= =lXLl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Anybody got a procmail recipe?
by skaplin＠skypoint.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Does anyone have a procmail recipe which will forward all incoming mail messages to a shell account to a specific usenet news group? Thanks, Sam ============================================================================== Liberty doesn't work as well in practice as it does in speeches. --Will Rogers-- ============================================================================== skaplin(a)skypoint.com | "...vidi vici veni" - Overheard | outside a Roman brothel. PGP encrypted mail is accepted and | preferred. | Change is the only constant in the | Universe..."Four quarters, please." E-mail key(a)four11.com for PGP Key or | Finger skaplin(a)mirage.skypoint.com | Smile!! Big brother is watching. ============================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBLuVwEMlnXxBRSgfNAQGICgf+LToVhwIjeL8GlaGQjk4BmqTLML/E08UB EIAHk9yWmpZxq8L7zCHETBeDANgEvwpYR/q+/CQ3LDNPF8BmNk15zwTxIaQpp78O QI1ppFbL+hwq0a3jTJ+3YaHoPWOKDGNt/C48InyxV/B2hfwwRv0i8N9YnR714Z29 H36xICgtHyNtiIKte5cCH86Z5rVqsGrgABEpPNckddiRy5OkMFVFgJQOtkuxbAxN 8sjaeLLqsfrbwu+kx+fdSpVHxbfKFAIYIK5PUnadHqhCbfM9vHMMEQMJ3azrbisi 06Xfe9vfoQAP4yWySNCvDJgle1wqAQxWMUsKZQauceZOtLYhiMfAEw== =k6K+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- This message digitally signed to verify the identity of the writer.

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Re: Anybody got a procmail recipe?
by L. McCarthy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Sam Kaplin writes: > Does anyone have a procmail recipe which will forward all incoming mail > messages to a shell account to a specific usenet news group? Couldn't you just use, for example, soc.singles(a)myriad.pc.cc.cmu.edu as the contents of your .forward file ? - - -L. Futplex McCarthy; PGP key by finger or server "We've got computers, we're tapping phone lines; I know that that ain't allowed" --Talking Heads - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLuV2EGf7YYibNzjpAQFKwwP+JfZabMUdW4ZjOwlJmFdXibXTW725baok xAIKMLl4zti8BvM90YpdYy5ILps9JR4W+XE8deHfhwRjti0sim7bt43Vgp8V3a2z DwrAXb0B20xpPgAH3XotIVCVYb0rTGy5LsHk2NBU9K/Ufvx2RyGLB8d2nvqaqCW5 yjhR6/JBJ+Q= =/FT8 - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuV3QSoZzwIn1bdtAQES8AF+OIvMZrlwK2pdU5nCCawU93M/j1kbs2Ye DYR/7GKWphvABSWBE2/lcOvkCJUT+zfZ =j1pP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Steven Levy on Fresh Air (NPR)
by L. McCarthy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Steven Levy discussed key escrow with Terry Gross on NPR's Fresh Air today (the show originates at WHYY-FM in Philadelphia). Unfortunately I only caught the tail end of the interview, as I happened to flip to the local public radio station driving home. He drew the analogy between Clipper/EES and being required to leave a key to the "strong door" of one's house at the local police station. Towards the end he specifically mentioned the cypherpunks as a group working against this sort of encroachment on privacy. Perhaps someone could fill in more details from the beginning of the conversation ? - - -L. Futplex McCarthy; PGP key by finger or server "We've got computers, we're tapping phone lines; I know that that ain't allowed" --Talking Heads - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLuV75Gf7YYibNzjpAQGWpQQAxbWgJMFEJ7eNv6NwaFg9eHSVGX04Ha8F MEopRwImJNIhEoKs9K9ORzujXiCpI6TGQ4JKe7JSxLDJ+W0hwzCOsGCxLHV4jGrx MbC/dNrxHL5pDZvobKPbwO8khxx3oIqArv3vskYfqY1qomrqcTDFdjbZeCFcHrvD HMwzIRPT3Xo= =4aOl - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuV9DioZzwIn1bdtAQEb9gGAki5DmoHGeBRxwdHqzB+GHSQVl/6kpK9h Wh39toG7c741opNtZl56XjGpbTVd0u3z =R4OO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Announcing - The DigitaLiberty Forum
by root＠phantom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

PLEASE RE-DISTRIBUTE THIS AS YOU SEE FIT Friends of Liberty, It is becoming increasingly apparent that the arrival of cyberspace is destined to engender a fundamental discontinuity in the course of human relations. This is a source of great optimism and opportunity for those of us who believe in freedom. Many of you who participate in the lively debates that take place in these forums have seen a number of activist organizations spring up claiming to represent the cause of freedom. And if you are like me you have cheered these groups on only to watch them get bogged down in a quagmire of realpolitics. It is a sad fact that the beast in Washington has evolved into a self-perpetuating engine expert at co-opting the principles of even the most ardent reformers. Slowly but surely all those who engage the system are ultimately absorbed into the mainstream miasma of majoritarianism. For example, what can be more discouraging than watching an organization that started out as a cyber-civil liberties group shift its focus to creating new forms of government entitlements while endorsing intrusive wiretap legislation because they didn't want to jeopardize their influence and prestige amongst the Washington power elite? Some of us believe we can seek ultimate redress at the polls. Many pundits have declared our recent national elections a watershed in politics, a turning point that represents the high water mark of big government. Nonsense. The names have changed, the chairs have been rearranged, but the game remains the same. The so-called "choices" we are presented with are false, hardly better than the mock one-party elections held by failed totalitarian regimes. There must be a better way. I would like to announce the formation of a new group - DigitaLiberty - that has chosen a different path. We intend to bypass the existing political process. We reject consensus building based on the calculus of compromise. Instead we plan to leave the past behind, much as our pioneering forefathers did when they set out to settle new lands. It is our mission to create the basis for a different kind of society. If you would like to join us I invite you to read the information below. Yours in freedom, Bill Frezza Co-founder, DigitaLiberty December 5, 1994 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- *** What is DigitaLiberty? DigitaLiberty is an advocacy group dedicated to the principled defense of freedom in cyberspace. We intend to conduct this defense not by engaging in traditional power politics but by setting an active, persuasive example - creating tangible opportunities for others to join us as we construct new global communities. We believe deeply in free markets and free minds and are convinced that we can construct a domain in which the uncoerced choices of individuals supplant the social compact politics of the tyranny of the majority. *** Is DigitaLiberty a political party or a lobbying group? Neither. DigitaLiberty does not seek to educate or influence politicians in the hope of obtaining legislation favorable to our constituents. We plan to make politicians and legislators irrelevant to the future of network based commerce, education, leisure, and social intercourse. DigitaLiberty does not seek to persuade a majority of the electorate to adopt views which can then be forced upon the minority. We hope to make majoritarianism irrelevant. We invite only like minded individuals to help us build the future according to our uncompromised shared values. *** What do you hope to accomplish? DigitaLiberty is not hopeful that widespread freedom will come to the physical world, at least not in our lifetime. Too many constituencies depend upon the largess and redistributive power of national governments and therefore oppose freedom and the individual responsibility it entails. But we do believe that liberty can and will prevail in the virtual domains we are building on the net and that national governments will be powerless to stop us. We believe that cyberspace will transcend national borders, national cultures, and national economies. We believe that no one will hold sovereignty over this new realm because coercive force is impotent in cyberspace. In keeping with the self-organizing nature of on-line societies we believe we will chose to invent new institutions to serve our varied economic and social purposes. DigitaLiberty intends to be in the forefront of the discovery and construction of these institutions. *** But what about the construction of the "Information Superhighway"? The fabric of cyberspace is rapidly being built by all manner of entities espousing the full range of political and economic philosophies. While political activity can certainly accelerate or retard the growth of the net in various places and times it cannot stop it nor can it effectively control how the net will be used. Our focus is not on the institutions that can and will impact the building of the physical "information highway" but on those that will shape life on the net as an ever increasing portion of our productive activities move there. *** What makes you think cyberspace will be so different? The United States of America was the only country in history ever to be built upon an idea. Unfortunately, this idea was lost as we slowly traded away our liberties in exchange for the false promise of security. DigitaLiberty believes that technology can set us free. The economies of the developed world are now making a major transition from an industrial base to an information base. As they do, the science of cryptology will finally and forever guarantee the unbreachable right of privacy, protecting individuals, groups, and corporations from the prying eyes and grasping hands of sovereigns. We will all be free to conduct our lives, and most importantly our economic relations, as we each see fit. Cyberspace is also infinitely extensible. There will be no brutal competition for lebensraum. Multiple virtual communities can exist side by side and without destructive conflict, each organized according to the principles of their members. We seek only to build one such community, a community based on individual liberty. Others are free to build communities based on other principles, even diametrically opposed principles. But they must do so without our coerced assistance. Effective communities will thrive and grow. Dysfunctional communities will wither and die. And for the first time in human history, rapacious societies will no longer have the power to make war on their neighbors nor can bankrupt communities take their neighbors down with them. *** What does this have to do with my real life? I can't eat data. I don't live in a computer. Yes, but imagine the ultimate impact of mankind's transition from an agrarian economy to an industrial economy to an information economy. Our founding fathers would have consider anyone insane who predicted that a nation of 250 million could feed itself with fewer than 3% of its citizens involved in agriculture. Similarly, economist and politicians trapped in the policies of the past lament our move from a manufacturing economy to a knowledge worker and service based economy. We see this as a cause to rejoice. The day will come when fewer than 5% of the citizens of a nation of 1 billion will be involved in manufacturing - if we still bother calling geographically defined entities "nations". What will the rest of us be doing? We will be providing each other with an exploding array of services and we will be creating, consuming, and exchanging information. Most of this will occur entirely within or be mediated at least in part by our activities in cyberspace. Many of us will earn a very good living on the net. Our race, our religion, our gender, our age, our physical appearance and limitations will all be irrelevant and undetectable. Hard working individuals from underdeveloped nations who in the past might have been forced to emigrate in search of economic freedom and opportunity can now build productive lives in cyberspace. And much if not all of the wealth we create that we do not transform into visible physical assets will be ours to keep and use, beyond the grasp of sovereigns. *** What is the purpose of this forum? The DigitaLiberty Forum is a place where like minded individuals can share their views, observations, and strategies related to the development of virtual communities based on freedom. It is a place where people can exchange information and advice about how they have developed extra-territorial business and social relationships - away from the influence and outside the jurisdiction of governments. It is a forum for the posting of essays, questions, and ideas on the topic of liberty. It is a place where we can meet and debate the forms that our new institutions might take and discuss the practical problems and responsibilities that freedom entail. In time as our technology matures some of us will move on to more ambitious projects, launch other programs, and begin our virtual migration from the swamp of coerced collectivism. Best of all, there will be no need to physically move to 'Galt's Gulch' or escape to a floating 'Freedonia'. We can all participate in this exodus without hastily quitting our jobs or disrupting our lives. And as a larger and larger portion of our economic and social activities move onto the net we will create a new society, open to all with the will to enter. This new world will be interleaved with the physical world in which we now live and yet will be separate. And free. Join us as we begin the journey. *** Who can join DigitaLiberty? The DigitaLiberty Forum is open to anyone that can honestly answer yes to the following two questions: 1) I renounce the use of coercive force as a tool of social or economic policy. 2) I do not derive the majority of my income from funds taken from taxpayers. *** How do I join DigitaLiberty? If you qualify, send a message to DigitaLiberty-request(a)phantom.com with the words "SUBSCRIBE" in the subject line and the message body as follows SUBSCRIBE DigitaLiberty <your name> And welcome to the future. ###

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WWW> Visa is pleased to announce ou
by Lauren Nowlin 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

/* Written 8:05 PM Dec 5, 1994 by sackman(a)plains.nodak.edu in igc:comp.internet. */ /* ---------- "WWW> Visa is pleased to announce ou" ---------- */ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 11:16:57 -0800 (PST) SENDER: James <jshunter(a)netcom.com> Subject: WWW> Visa is pleased to announce our new Home Page Visa, the largest consumer payment system in the world, is pleased to announce the WWW availability of information about Visa services and products. With more than 11 million acceptance locations worldwide, member financial institutions have issued more than 357 million cards worldwide. Visa also has the leading global ATM network. Besides information on products and services, the Visa Home Page currently includes Financial Tips for Consumers, along with information on technological trends in payment systems. Under "Financial Tips for Consumers", Internet/WWW users can download the financial education program "Choices and Decisions: Taking Charge of Your Life". Features under development include News from Visa, comprised of up-to-date company news releases and a worldwide ATM locator guide. The Visa Home Page is at URL: http://www.visa.com/visa/ Contact your local Visa member bank for regarding services and products available in your specific area. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Hunter (Webmaster) jshunter(a)net.effects.com http://www.net.effects.com

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Re: giving one's "anonymous" address
by L. McCarthy 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Adam J. Gerstein writes: > MacGuru to the stars > > Available at: > GERSTEIN(a)SCSU.CTSTATEU.EDU MACGEEK(a)SCSU.CTSTATEU.EDU > A GERSTEIN(a)AOL.COM MACGEEK(a)eWorld.com > an41389(a)anon.penet.fi (for anonymity) Jon Care writes: # Was this a real message, or is someone having us on? I mean, come on, who # seriously describes themselves as "MacGuru" No comment :> # AND puts in their anonymous email address as well :) # # Not very anonymous now is it? I think the idea is that email sent to an anXXXXX(a)anon.penet.fi address will be anonymized by the penet server, so you can establish a conversation channel with MacGuru here without setting up a reply block through some remailers. In some newsgroups where anonymous posting is common, listing of several "anonymous" email addresses in .sigs is also common. - - -L. Futplex McCarthy; PGP key by finger or server "We've got computers, we're tapping phone lines; I know that that ain't allowed" --Talking Heads - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.1 iQCVAwUBLuWf82f7YYibNzjpAQHbCwQA0BX3Gd+OUL1GEYiRF/cv+Bv8Z10vAPiq jwjhchrMgOhBdM190jJGW/92owy3fxdMm4LWOo5ymYfSPQsfS0JAg0P5BHy5A79i YND9u5BudUBYtLOZqxCU1PKJ5Ud1x2ZVieppgx+dl4x+vD/brxQpgTzK+pv8NIMX gjUR44FPDmY= =nQXp - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - --- [This message has been signed by an auto-signing service. A valid signature means only that it has been received at the address corresponding to the signature and forwarded.] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Gratis auto-signing service iQBFAwUBLuWhJyoZzwIn1bdtAQHyaQF/WXIZnjd9AmswPdm2YH9P6G0fnMXAMfHX rC4ewLaC7SwNmsZjTvLFg4IFgqRJ+ae9 =cnyv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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