December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re:
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's an idea. FUCK OFF! Why don't you go stick a Y2k bowling ball up your ass, and never post here again, you degenerate piece of shit! Or better yet, take every member of your administrative research department, march them up to the roof of the highest building in Silicon Valley, and push them all off! Then throw yourself off, you spineless maggot! The only letters I'm looking for are the ones signed by Janet Reno to the BATF to march in and kill your entire employee base. Please let me know when those arrive. At 12:55 PM 10/21/98 +0000, nations(a)freewilly.com wrote: > 10/21/98 > >Y2K Solution! >8 Pine Circle Dr., Silicon Valley, Calif. > >OTC Company "TCFG" 21 st. Century Frontier Group has >through several members of their administrative research >department leaked vital information about their companies >efforts. > >Everyone was tight lipped and interviews were refused, >and through un-named sources we have learned that the >technology and software solution are in the process of >being patented! > >In over 1640 trials, using various data systems the use >of the new technology and software solved the Y2K >problem 100% of the time. > >This small publicly traded company "TCFG" which is just >3 years old is through various sources now negotiating >with the "Big Boys"! > >"TCFG" the letters to look for..... > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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17 Dec '03

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PRNGs and testers.
by X1 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, A few questions on Pseudo Random Number Generators... 1. Which are the best software PRNG's available today? 2. Are there any software implementations to test the randomness of a PRNG ? I've looked at Diehard - is there anything else? Thanks, R Sriram.

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Re: "We have to destroy privacy in order to protect privacy"
by Theodor.SCHLICKMANN＠BXL.DG13.cec.be 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

What is privacy? Just now the political representatives show the world how protection of privacy looks like in the world's leading Nation. Victim is the President himself who unwillingly has become a benchmark case because of his sexual affairs. Although this is a matter of law, only political strategies are executed. Protection of privacy turns out to be the most important human rights issue in this information technology age. Definition of privacy is difficult. It includes not only data protection; it draws a line at the border where a society is allowed to get concerned about an individual. Louis Brandeis, Member of the Supreme Court, said in 1890: The right for privacy is the right for an individual to live for him/her-self. Protection of privacy includes protection of private information, safety, protection of communication, and protection of territory (house, public space, and work place). Following several articles in American newspapers, privacy at the work place is in great danger. Surveillance is very often made part of the contract with the employer. A Report by the American Management Association says that two thirds of employers are controlling emails and other work at the computer, and are tapping phone calls. Surveillance cameras are used, e.g., to trace movements of employees in company buildings; regular tests for drugs, requests for intimate information and various psychological tests are performed. Many people in the US may believe this is normal. Who tells them that this a violation of privacy rights ? The government ? Bill Gates ? Tim May ? Tim May wrote: >To be more concrete, if I compile lists of who is writing articles on >Usenet, I have no obligation to either purge these records or >show them to others or not sell them or _anything_. The >government cannot get at myrecords except under limited >situations. If companies are using personal data, which they have gathered from open sources, without explicit permission for other purposes than in direct business with that person, then they are violating data protection rules. If the sources are not open, then they are also violating fair competition rules which may be considered to be criminal in some countries. Tim May wrote: >Europe's "data privacy laws," which I have been critical of for >more than ten years now, are an abomination. While the laws >sound well-intentioned, they effectively give the state the power >to sift through filing cabinets and disk drives looking for violations. Sifting through filing cabinets is also clearly a violation of privacy rights. However, does it mean that privacy is uncontrollable? Alternatively, the only protection is not to put any personal data on a network. Use your pseudonym instead. Strong encryption does not help, because the receiver side may not respect your privacy. Theodor Schlickmann

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Status of GSM Crypto Attacks
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forward from anonymous: Wed, 21 Oct 98 An engineer at a US wireless telecom and a contributor to Cryptologia--has asked me to look into the present status of attacks on the GSM encryption schemes: comp128 (a3a8 authentication, etc.) and, more importantly, the A5.1 and A5.2 voice/data encryption algorithms. After searching the web, I see that you have similar interests in this matter. I've already sent off inquiries to some of the researchers in this area--Ross Anderson, Simon Shepherd and the two Berkeley students (Goldberg and Wagner). So far, I've only heard back from Wagner. Do you have anything interesting to say about this matter--has anything happened since the Spring? Has a consensus been reached on some of the issues discussed in the <http://jya.com/crack-a5.htm> document? I'm trying to get a handle on the present state-of-the art: Where do things presently stand--who is doing the work and what, if anything, has been verified/demonstrated? Has A5 been cracked? What can be said about the possibility of intercepting and decoding an on-air conversation?

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Forwarded mail...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Theodor.SCHLICKMANN(a)BXL.DG13.cec.be > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 10:12:37 +0200 > Subject: Re: "We have to destroy privacy in order to protect privacy" > What is privacy? The ability to store or archive material without worry of it being distributed without prior permission. The right to tell somebody you won't answer their question or include them in the dicussion, to the extend of asking them to go someplace else so they can't overhear or grab the dialogue. Ultimately it's a societal behavior that is exemplified by citizens not obtaining material that is relevant or related to you without involving you from the beginning. > Although this is a matter of law, only political > strategies are executed. Law == Politics > Protection of privacy turns out to be the most important > human rights issue in this information technology age. Um, actualy Writ of Habeas Corpus is the most important right. Privacy and everything else are moot if your sitting in a jail cell with no hope of release or trial. > Following several articles in American newspapers, > privacy at the work place is in great danger. There isn't any privacy at the workspace. When you hire on to an employer *AND* agree to work on their premises you voluntarily give this up. It is the same situation as if you hire a kiddy-watcher and you video-tape the activity for your protection. If you really want privacy protection in the workplace then insist that detailed limits are included in any contract (pretty much unheard of). ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Women cannot commit rape?
by Tim Griffiths 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

French Supreme Court rules that women cannot commit rape Copyright © 1998 Nando.net Copyright © 1998 Reuters News Service PARIS (October 21, 1998 06:38 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - France's Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday that women are unable to commit the crime of rape because they cannot sexually penetrate men. "The material element of the crime of rape is only realized if the perpetrator commits the act of sexual penetration on the person of the victim," it said in its judgment. The court, known as the Cour de Cassation, overturned a lower court ruling that Catherine Maillard could be tried for rape on charges of forcing her underage stepson to have sex with her repeatedly between 1986 and 1992. Maillard could only be tried for "aggravated sexual aggression" against the boy, while his father Michel Deloisy had to be tried for "moral abandonment of a child" instead of the original charge of "complicity in aggravated rape," the court said. With its judgment, the court seemed to contradict an earlier ruling it issued in December 1997 saying that forcing someone to perform oral sex act was legally equivalent to rape. -- Tim Griffiths griffith(a)wis.weizmann.ac.il Center for Submicron Research http://tim01.ex.ac.uk Weizmann Institute of Science (972)-8-934-2736 Rehovot 76100 Israel PGP Public key available - finger tim(a)tim01.ex.ac.uk The real value lies not in what I say or do, but in your reaction to it. -DF

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UK police chase crooks on CCTV
by Tim Griffiths 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The Associated Press via The Wash. Post, Oct 17, 1998 http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/searches/mainsrch.htm#ap Chasing Crooks on Closed Circuit TV http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19981017/V000263-101798-idx .ht ml LONDON (AP) -- An ``intelligent'' computer system that uses closed circuit television to match faces in a crowd to mug shots of known criminals is likely to become London's latest weapon against crime. Scotland Yard and a local council have installed the $100,000 CCTV system on a trial basis in Newham, a poor district in London's East End. Newspapers reported Thursday that the computer system, called Mandrake, is linked to 144 CCTVs in Newham's shopping centers, railway stations and car parks and can scan up to 150 faces at a time and compare them with a database of criminals stored on a computer at the council's headquarters. If there is a match between a face in the crowd and a known criminal, the computer alerts a monitoring team in the town hall, who in turn alert the police. Civil liberties groups said they were alarmed by the new system, but police defended its use. ``The only people entered on to the system will be convicted criminals who, through our intelligence, we believe are habitually committing crimes in the area,'' The Daily Mail quoted police Chief Superintendent Dave Armond as saying. ``If people are not committing crime they have nothing to fear, but if they are among the small minority who are, the message is, 'We are watching out for you.''' The newspaper reported that police initially will use the system to concentrate on catching robbery suspects. In the future, however, it could be used to search crowds for hooligans who stir up trouble at soccer matches. CCTV's developer, Software and Systems International, says the system is accurate enough to discern people hiding behind make-up or eye glasses. And growing a beard won't help either, the company says. Britain has 150,000 close circuit television cameras. While most Britons appear happy the devices are being used to tackle crime, civil liberties groups oppose both the cameras and the facial matching. ``The accuracy of facial mapping like this is limited. You only need a handful of photographs of celebrities to see how different the same people can look in different pictures,'' the Mail quoted Liz Parratt, spokeswoman for Liberty, a civil rights group, as saying. ``Even if you did have a system which worked, it would have to be regulated very carefully to protect people's privacy.'' \ Copyright 1998 The Associated Press -- Tim Griffiths griffith(a)wis.weizmann.ac.il Center for Submicron Research http://tim01.ex.ac.uk Weizmann Institute of Science (972)-8-934-2736 Rehovot 76100 Israel PGP Public key available - finger tim(a)tim01.ex.ac.uk The real value lies not in what I say or do, but in your reaction to it. -DF

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UK police chase crooks on CCTV (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:21:04 +0200 > From: Tim Griffiths <griffith(a)wis.weizmann.ac.il> > Subject: UK police chase crooks on CCTV > Civil liberties groups said they were alarmed by the new system, but > police defended its use. > > ``The only people entered on to the system will be convicted criminals > who, through our intelligence, we believe are habitually committing > crimes in the area,'' The Daily Mail quoted police Chief Superintendent > Dave Armond as saying. ``If people are not committing crime they have > nothing to fear, but if they are among the small minority who are, the > message is, 'We are watching out for you.''' > > The newspaper reported that police initially will use the system to > concentrate on catching robbery suspects. In the future, however, it Excuse me.... Since when does 'suspected of' equate to 'convicted criminal'? Also, in order to wath you (sic) they have to watch everyone - in effect guilty until proven innocent by the computer software. What sort of civil recovery are provided for the inevitable software errors? I bet nadda, and that's wrong too. This is Big Brother Spin Doctor BULLSHIT. We need a law or court ruling pretty quickly in the US that sets the standard that a group of people have no more or less rights than an individual. This will required LEA's to provide probable cause prior to any actions against groups of people (such as this). If they can't audio tape me, or seize my papers and correspondences without a warrant then they bloody well can't video me without a warrant either ,within the context of criminal proceedings. Does anyone know if *any* PAC/SIG/whatever has this as their main political agenda? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- On a similar note, here in Austin they are finishing up with putting hundreds of cameras around town. It isn't long before these sorts of social theory X'ers get their teeth in the shank of American society. We've got(!) to put a stop to this sort of stuff. The law should basicaly ok the use of cameras for vehicular traffic control (this does NOT include execution of speeding infractions and such), this means no police or other LEA's may be involved or view the tapes *without* a warrant. The operators and support personnel should be required to abide by a strict non-disclosure agreement as well. If they notice a wreck or whatever they should notify the relevant emergency personel and *IF* the police serve a warrent only then turn over the tape. This is a perfect example of why I, personaly, believe that a polycratic democracy is the only workable kind in the real world. The 'seperate but equal' doctrine should effect every aspect of a democratic society. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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Women cannot commit rape? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 14:19:57 +0200 > From: Tim Griffiths <griffith(a)wis.weizmann.ac.il> > Subject: Women cannot commit rape? > French Supreme Court rules that women cannot commit rape > "The material element of the crime of rape is only realized if the > perpetrator > commits the act of sexual penetration on the person of the victim," it > said in > its judgment. Can a man get a STD from a women? Do men not have the same civil liberties and concepts of personal privacy that women do? Are we now faced with the ultimate in sex discrimination - having two sets of laws that are specific to sex? Rape is about an invasion of personal physical privacy. More big brother spin doctor bullshit. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: UK police chase crooks on CCTV
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Tim Griffiths[SMTP:griffith@wis.weizmann.ac.il] forwarded (yet > another) report on the Mandrake facial recognition system, this time > from http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/searches/mainsrch.htm#ap > > [...snip...] > CCTV's developer, Software and Systems International, says > the system is accurate enough to discern people hiding > behind make-up or eye glasses. And growing a beard won't > help either, the company says. [...snip...] According to SSI at http://www.ssi-ltd.co.uk/latenews.htm#Law the program uses the position of facial features to recognise you. > Even if offenders try to disguise their appearance, > say S&SI, the system will still identify them, as it is > based on recognising facial structure, such as the > spacing between the eyes, nose and mouth. It takes > into account, and disregards, variations of head > orientation, lighting conditions, skin colour, > make-up, facial expression, facial hair, spectacles > and ageing. So presumably can be confused by obscuring the exact postion of features - such as a dense moustache that covers the mouth, or the presence or absence of a hairstyle that seems to change the shape of the head. I shave my head - if I grew back some "big hair", or wore a wig, would the sytem be able to tell where the top of my skull was? Maybe a full beard would change the apparent width of the whole head. Maybe dark glasses would obscure the exact position of the eyes. As we all know criminals are too stupid to use strong cryptography without an export license, there is no way any of them would think of novel high-tech solutions such as wearing a hat or a scarf. Just to add some irony, the main line used to sell this to the British public is control of football (soccer) "hooligans". Like child pornography or the "war on drugs", football fans are easy target for repressive measures. No respectable citizen wants to be associated with the "trouble makers". And of course, football fans are notorious for not wearing scarves or hats, aren't they :-) Ken Brown (& not his bosses)

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cypherpunks archives, books
by Joseph 'Anonymous' Howe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Could someone post the address of the current cypherpunks archives again? Everything seems to be missing or out of date. Also, what's the name of that book... The Crystal Palace? Maybe I'm confused. Thanks for the info. --THE LIE

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RE: UK police chase crooks on CCTV (fwd)
by Michael Motyka 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The toys are just getting too easy to deploy. Imaging, compression, networking, mass storage etc...Fucking engineers, oops! A few fronts: Political - this is the preferable way of dealing with this crap but also the most disturbing because many of those in power seem to think snooping is a wonderful idea. Tough to convince them that a little uncertainty is a *good* thing. Technical: Briefcase-sized EMP - fun idea but I don't know how to make it workable. HV generator on the end of a stick - not too tough. High power LASER to burn out CCDs - buy anonymously, nice, works from a safe distance. What's needed are moles to leak detailed info on systems as they're planned and installed. Then it would be easy to determine the weak points. If each camera had to be guarded there would be a *huge* problem just keeping the systems alive. Mike

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17 Dec '03

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Y2K...
by concerned＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

10/22/98 Y2K Solution... 8 Pine Circle Dr., Silicon Valley, Calif. OTC Company "TCFG" 21 st. Century Frontier Group has through several members of their administrative research department leaked vital information about their companies efforts. Everyone was tight lipped and interviews were refused, and through un-named sources we have learned that the technology and software solution are in the process of being patented! In over 1640 trials, using various data systems the use of the new technology and software solved the Y2K problem 100% of the time. This small publicly traded company "TCFG" which is just 3 years old is through various sources now negotiating with the "Big Boys"! "TCFG" the letters to look for..... ----------------------------------------------------------------

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The Trouble With Harry
by HyperReal-Anon 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com>: >Can you tell more about the lack of support from Austin cpunks, >any change, or are you left to fend for yourself? tis is why i am not a cypherpunk. you people have no care for your fellow man! first jim bell, then toto, now choate, soon youll all be gone....

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The Trouble With Harry (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: 22 Oct 1998 00:20:03 -0000 > From: HyperReal-Anon <nobody(a)sind.hyperreal.art.pl> > Subject: The Trouble With Harry > John Young <jya(a)pipeline.com>: > > >Can you tell more about the lack of support from Austin cpunks, > >any change, or are you left to fend for yourself? > > tis is why i am not a cypherpunk. you people have > no care for your fellow man! first jim bell, then > toto, now choate, soon youll all be gone.... Hold on hear a second, let's get the facts straight. I am NOT being accussed of anything. I have been asked to act as a witness for the prosecution (not explicitly the target thereof). Unfortunately for the prosecutions case, I'm not a witness to anything relevant. If I were aware of some kook running around building bombs with the intention of using them on people, their property, or animals I'd be the first to turn their nutty butts in. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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The latest news from Toto
by Joseph 'Anonymous' Howe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I got a letter from Toto today, and he's doing well. Or at least as well as one can under his circumstances. He has a few friendly requests, though, which I'm not necessarily in any position to respond to. * Does anyone have an RSA-in-perl t-shirt (or sweatshirt, or whatever) to spare? He wants the Well Dressed CypherPunk Defendant Look (TM) in court. * Declan McCullagh: Congratulations, you've been added to the visitors' list. * Oh, yeah! If someone could mail me copies of the FPP stuff, it would be nice, since the Shrink Rapper has copies and I don't. (The IRS is sending it to him as part of his punishment for laughing at my jokes...) If anyone knows what he's referring to, reply to the cpunks list and I'll get in touch personally, or just mail it to him directly. MailMonger

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FW: rules of engagement (fwd)
by Carlos Macedo Gomes 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> From: Adam Back [SMTP:aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk] > Clearly I think one should be able to say wtf one wants to, and in > general I endeavor to do just that. But I am suggesting that > cypherpunks individually stear clear of grey areas, such as say > creative tax minimisation, Duncan Frissel style "it's not illegal to > do blah with social security numbers", Tim May style "I've got X > number of now illegal armament Y", (unless you also have the money for > good lawyers) and so on, whether technically legal or not, as one > would be taking above average risks in doing so, because governments > are watching this list, and a number of it's subscribers. I agree with Adam on sticking to legally achievable goals-- or at least legally achievable without needing unlimited funds to feed the army of lawyers that will be needed to keep you and your cohorts out of prison. To me that would include the realm of projects related to strong crypto, electronic cash, anonymity and privacy-- vague as those topics may be. That said... I was at the meeting in July with Jim when Toto showed up. It was my first attendance at an Austin Cpunk meeting and I was looking forward to working on some great projects with some hopefully great local folks. To me Toto showing up was simply a very interesting road sign (or graffiti) on the path to achieving pragmatic, long-living "cypherpunks write code" projects the first of which was to be the Crypto Conference that we were hoping to host and that we were discussing at that meeting with members of EF Texas. BTW: Whatever happended to the Classified Ad project?? Jim fought for that but it fell apart when the focus of the conference was was moved by another local group to a non-crypto topic. We took the synergies from the remains of conference project and started work on a Cypherpunks meta-web-archive this time with a joint effort by myself, some fellow programmers and the Austin Cpunks. This project as well started strong out of the gates but lost steam around the first corner. In part it was due to looming, work related project deadlines-- as far as I know none involved in the local projects are retired, Austin hitech fatcats (yet). But mostly this last project and the local meetings halted I think due to Jim's relating to the group the events that were happening with him regarding Toto. I think the really sad thing here is not that we didn't rise up as a group to stop the government's inquiries of Jim with regards to the Toto case but simply that we individually offered very limited support directly to Jim himself. And from speaking with Jim and reading his emails it appears that the support was in the form of a referral to lawyers (who apparently were not ready to do any _pro bono_ work) and an apology from myself for lack of offer of assistance when it became obvious to me that the long standing local group had not offered assistance. I think Jim did a great job with the local group and it's truly a sad indictment against the relationships we had (or thought we had) in the group where our "sponsor" is put in a spotlight for acting as a primary for the group that we're supposedly active in and there's no show of support... Again, not with intent to support Toto, or thwart government inquiries, but just to check to see how Jim's doing under the strain of possible government scrutiny. Anyhow the local group does look to be dead. I'd still like to get group coding projects and the like accomplished while I'm in Austin and suspect they will still happen and hopefully with Jim and some of the other local folks involved. But I don't think there will be an "Austin Cpunk" group after this. I'd be glad to have someone prove me wrong. That's my $0.02 on the events of the past few months.... Now back to reality. waves, C.G. -- Carlos Macedo Gomes gomes(a)navigo.com a Navigo farmer

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Re: Women cannot commit rape?
by Kevin Elliott 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>French Supreme Court rules that women cannot commit rape > >Copyright © 1998 Nando.net >Copyright © 1998 Reuters News Service > >PARIS (October 21, 1998 06:38 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - >France's >Supreme Court ruled on Wednesday that women are unable to commit the >crime of >rape because they cannot sexually penetrate men. This is true in the United States as well. That's why in every state, technically speaking, their is no crime of "rape" just varying degrees and types of "criminal sexual assault". I'm suprised that hasn't trickled down to france yet. Rape is defined as forcing someone to have sexual intercourse. It doesn't take much imagination to build an argument that you can't force a man to have sex, after all he had to get aroused. The advantage of criminal sexual assualt is that it side steps these kind of issues by greatly broadening the crime to basicly forcing/manipulating someone to engae in any kind of sexual activity. ___________________________________________________________________________ "DOS/WIN based computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy, and millions of others, are by far the most popular, with about 70 million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand, note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that numbers alone do not denote a higher life form." - New York Times -Kevin "The Cubbie" Elliott <mailto:k-elliott@wiu.edu>

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Re: Women cannot commit rape?
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>This is true in the United States as well. That's why in every state, >technically speaking, their is no crime of "rape" just varying degrees and >types of "criminal sexual assault". I'm suprised that hasn't trickled down >to france yet. Rape is defined as forcing someone to have sexual >intercourse. It doesn't take much imagination to build an argument that >you can't force a man to have sex, after all he had to get aroused. The >advantage of criminal sexual assualt is that it side steps these kind of >issues by greatly broadening the crime to basicly forcing/manipulating >someone to engae in any kind of sexual activity. "You get hard right now or I take this knife and cut your balls off sloooowly! You have one minute." That is probably out in left field. I doubt it would happen much.

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Re: Women cannot commit rape? (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:50:50 -0500 > From: Kevin Elliott <k-elliott(a)wiu.edu> > Subject: Re: Women cannot commit rape? > This is true in the United States as well. That's why in every state, I don't believe that is accurate. Just about 2 years ago two women were sentenced to prison because they kidnapped and raped a man. Perhaps one of the more versed in case law members might remember it. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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FW: rules of engagement (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:47:40 -0500 (CDT) > From: Carlos Macedo Gomes <gomes(a)www.navigo.com> > Subject: FW: rules of engagement (fwd) > discussing at that meeting with members of EF Texas. BTW: Whatever > happended to the Classified Ad project?? It was going along fine until I made the mistake of asking when.... I'd offered a couple of dates, nobody ever commented on them. I can still cover Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth, El Paso. A single paper in each city. I'd say do it like Thanksgiving Day or Christmas. I need 1 months warning. It might be kind of cool to put regular ads in with various comments like the 1st Amendment, or questions regarding civil liberties, famous quotes, etc. Just sign it, Cypherpunks ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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by KSanchez498＠msn.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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RE: UK police chase crooks on CCTV (fwd)
by Brown, R Ken 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> William H. Geiger III[SMTP:whgiii@invweb.net] wrote (among other > stuff): > > > What we need is a mechanism to punish the politicians > who go down the Big Brother path *and* the companies > who are making big profits helping them. > IMHO the UK, and the rest of Europe, is a lost cause, > it's sheeple are too brainwashed The best bit of news of the last few days is Pinochet's arrest. It lifted my heart. Almost made up for the all the bad stuff the UK government has been coming out with. (Also it brought Thatcher out of the woodwork. Like a large segment of the British Tory party she really is/was an authoritarian, paying lip-service to the Free Market for political reasons. You can tell them by the company they keep.)

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