December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Announcement: Mac-Crypto Conference Oct 6-9, 1998
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text From: vinnie(a)vmeng.com Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 15:47:54 -0700 Subject: Announcement: Mac-Crypto Conference Oct 6-9, 1998 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 To: undisclosed-recipients:; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Membership of the Mac-Crypto List invites you to The Third Annual Macintosh Cryptography and Internet Commerce Software Development Workshop October 6 - 9th, 1998 Town Hall Auditorium Apple R&D Campus 4 Infinite Loop, Cupertino, CA, USA Keeping with tradition, this is still free workshop, but we'd *really* like it if you register (see below). We are once again hosting our annual workshop, where you are sure to find the latest and greatest information about whats going on in the Macintosh cryptography world. A lot has happened in the past year in the world of the Internet and Cryptography, so this year, thanks to popular demand we have allocated more time and a larger hall for developers to talk about what they are working on. PRELIMINARY WORKSHOP TOPICS: (more to come) Introductions and Overviews: Intro to Crypto Systems Export Controls & Crypto software Crypto Opportunities for the Mac Tech Stuff: AppleShare Authentication Architecture PGPticket - A Secure Authorization Protocol The AltaVec PowerPC Architecture Apple Security Architecture Overview. Apple Keychain / Subwoofer update OpenPGP & the IETF standards process Overview of Crypto API's and Toolkits Applications of Cryptography RC5 cracking effort & the Mac PGPUAM - Appleshare Public Key Authentication Graphically displaying the Web of Trust Anonymous Communications and the Macintosh Open Sessions: As requested we scheduled lots of time for developer demos and open discussions plus the much asked for and a PGP Keysigning party ... and plenty of time for developers to network with each other and Apple. We have also left time open for a few last-minute speakers. If you would like to present a paper or give a talk, please contact Vinnie Moscaritolo at vinnie(a)apple.com To find out more about previous Mac-Crypto workshops check out our webpage at http://www.vmeng.com/mc/ REGISTRATION: To register, complete the following form, and email it to mac-crypto-conference(a)vmeng.com with the subject line REGISTRATION Registration is limited to 300 attendees, so be sure to register early. _______________________________________________________________________ * Name: * Email Address: Title: Affliation: Address: Telephone: Comments: _______________________________________________________________________ Local Hotels: Cupertino Inn, 800-222-4828 Pretty much Across the Street. Cupertino Courtyard by Marriot, 800-321-2211 5 Minute Drive Inn at Saratoga 408-867-5020 About 3 Miles See you in Cupertino on October 6 - 9th! Vinnie Moscaritolo Apple World Wide Developer Support DSS/DH: 3F903472C3AF622D5D918D9BD8B100090B3EF042 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0 iQA/AwUBNgA9BR16LYZvFyoKEQKYAACfXK7uA40tX1DRy44zTaqkesDs5TkAoKS3 Fx/5lcgO9b6Wqfsibdpc1MRz =c+ZP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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Re: Voices
by Edwin E. Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thank you for your thoughtful and honest response. I am interested in the two meanings of "Just". When you say you have blind spots do you mean that you delude yourself in some ways? I would say this is true of all of us, however I would say that by recognizing that you do have shortcomings you are making an effort at improving. I also have many shortcomings and I am trying to improve. I tend to be rather intolerant of stupid people who think they are so superior and that their way is the only way people should live. They will never hesitate to lecture others about their concept of morality, which usually involves the use of weapons and stealing, for the greater good. Such is the morality of the current occupant of the Whitehouse. I tend to lecture people about the value of freedom and peaceful persuasion to get what I want. It is a benifit to many to trade peacefully rather than take what we want by force. This is my concept of what is just. It is my concept of the "Greater Good." I carry this to the extreme that if it comes down to the issue of if my survival can only be secured by the use of force to steal from others thereby taking their life or any part of it, then it is right that I should die. I don't have any children so I cannot say what I would do if it came down to the life of one of mine. I would be very much more tolerant of a mother who was put in this situation. I once, long ago had it explained to me the difference between charity and welfare. Don Tarbell explained that if he were to see a person who was starving. He would help them in whatever way he wanted short of stealing. Welfare on the other hand steals from people who might have contributed voluntarily but then resent being forced to help. Welfare is unjust. I have recently began reading what promises to be a very good book. It is "People of the Lie" by M. Scott Peck M. D. It is about human evil. One of the responses to a quote from the book which I posted was "Ask the antelope if he thinks the lion is evil, perhaps you have this view because no animal considers you a tasty morsel." This is non-responsive in that we are talking about Human Evil and BTW there are many animals which would consider me much more than a "tasty morsel." We have very large aligators here in Florida which often eat small children, however very few people consider them evil by human standards, they are simply doing what they do. The difference is that humans have, by deciding to be civil toward one another, decided that they will not eat each other and eat lower forms of life instead. Perhaps we should ask cows if they think WE are evil. As to freedom of speech. I believe that I have much to gain by listening to what others have to say. This is a rational attitude I think because communication is what separates us from the lower forms of animals. It allows us, with our short lifespans to capitalize on creative ideas which our larger brains made possible. Without communication those ideas would die with us. We would be very little better off than chimpanzies. Perhaps able to fashion tools but unable to show others how to do the same. Each creation would have to be repeated in each individual. But because I can communicate that idea which I have created to another, even though I didn't act upon it, the idea will outlive me and be a benifit to many. The wheel is an invention so old that it is impossible to discover when it was first used. But although it was surely created over and over many times it's spread was accomplished many times faster because the concept could be drawn on the wall of a cave with another very useful invention. This is the vaule of communication and "free speech." Speech and the written word and now the internet. Not many realize that the internet is the most significant advance in technological evolution to have happened in a very long time. Why do I say this? Because it has enhanced communication manyfold. Radio and TV are one- way only and are inferior to the printing press so don''t represent much of an advance. Any attempt by governments to curtail this enhanced speech is, in my opinion evil. Edwin At 05:10 PM 9/16/98 -0500, you wrote: >Am I Just? That is a difficult question to answer because "just" has two >distinctly different definitions, and several nuances in the one definition >which your use of the word implies. I am reasonable--or try to be-- but I >do have my blind spots. Also, I am "just" in that I recognized in your >statement about "voices" the essence of a healthy belief in freedom of >speech with your strongly stated recognition that it is an endangered >freedom when access to the means of distributing speech is limited to a >chosen few who represent a very narrow spectrum of ideas. The Internet has >provided a marvelous solution to that problem. It will be fascinating to >observe how this freedom of access to the means of distributing speech on a >global scale will affect the cultures of all nations whose citizens are >allowed to get "on line" and participate in the exchange of ideas and the >discussion that ensues. > >Elizabeth >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNgBP9UmNf6b56PAtEQL0PQCfdySiIPGgD0YcIhsJofO9MEDS06UAoJK9 z3c+1YDfVnq/RF9L2O1d01ei =3hNv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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The AOL Chronicles
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Every time one of these AOL wars start, the AOLers claim that there are a few intelligent people on AOL and that our shunning of them based on statistics is unjustified. We all know what the statistics are, but I don't think anybody has done this for Cypherpunks yet. It has been done other places. This isn't scientific with margins of error and everything, but it's good enough to illustrate the point. I went through every posting originating from AOL which was sent to Cypherpunks between July and September 16th, which is today. I classified postings as either "clueful" or "clueless," with the latter determined by relevance to the list, literacy, quoting, and whether it makes any sense at all. Anything completely stupid is also classed as "clueless." "Clueful" is anything which is even remotely relevant to the list, and includes quoted material if a followup. In addition, if an AOL user sends something clueless to the list then gets flamed, that posting and any subsequent postings in that thread by the original author are counted as clueless unless it's an apology, at which point it isn't counted at all. The flames of said user are counted as defense, not as clueless. Also, if I looked at the message but couldn't tell what the hell the author was talking about because he didn't bother to quote, I classed the posting as clueless. A "*" denotes that the portion I quote is the entire message. A "+" denotes that there was either no quoted material in the message or that it used the "<<>>" style. Keep in mind that messages which are original would not have quoted material, but still have a "+". A "H" means that it contained HTML. I removed all new lines from the quotes to make them more compact. If the posting was large, I quoted only some parts. Clueless posts from AOL: 1) "At least they have TCP/IP protocols now with Win 95 ex: Hiroshima 45, Tsjernobyl 86, Windows 95 (Please, correct my spelling if I misspelled Tsjernobyl)" -- FTPPork(a)aol.com (Porker), 18 Aug 1998, (+) 2) "Ibelive by spooks he ment goverment agents not a racial slur so lay off." -- ILovToHack(a)aol.com, 31 Aug 1998, (+*) 3) "judy -- how about let's go shopping first and then watch the show remotely together????" -- Syniker(a)aol.com, 16 Jul 1998, (+) 4) "please i need some suggestions with topics for my informative speech, or may some infromative speeches already outlined to use it for refrence. thankyou." -- KMHAsfaha(a)aol.com, 17 Jul 1998, (*+) 5) "d" -- Saxgrim(a)aol.com, 18 Jul 1998, (*+) 6) "send me the book (e/mail me back" -- JackeI466(a)aol.com, 19 Jul 1998, (+*) 7) "Hello: My name is Enisa, I'm 13 years old. I write an online e-zine that for teens. We have over 150+ members. We just started a few days ago. We are looking for sponsors to sponsor our contests. These are some of the things we are able to do for you..." -- Craz8Grl(a)aol.com, 20 Jul 1998, (+H) 8) "you got it?" -- LrdWill(a)aol.com, 20 Jul 1998, (+*) 9) "would love to see info re; international credit cards." -- TTrump5646(a)aol.com, 21 Jul 1998, (+*) 10) "i would be very delighted if u gave me a free download for 5.0 realplayer.if u would send it to mike111495(a)aol.com and indoe29c(a)aol.com we will be very honored to receive them. thankx and goodbye" -- Mike111495(a)aol.com, 22 Jul 1998, (+*) 11) [A bunch of asterisks and screaming] "I was recently informed from sorces who choose to remain annomous about a viri that uses macafe's update tool to detect when it is found then it modifys its code and forms a new strain of the virus this pattern continues although it has only been tested through a clone of macafees server to 100 mutations it looks like it could be a big problem I will inform you of any more information i learn about it but for now "THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE"" -- ILovToHack(a)aol.com, 22 Jul 1998, (+*) 12) "WHY CANT I FIND ANY WHITE AMERICAN YOUTH ALBUMS ANYWHERE?" -- koitch(a)aol.com, 23 Jul 1998, (+*) 13) [Subject: Pipe bombs r better] "they rule!" -- Ant6menace(a)aol.com, 23 Jul 1998, (+*) 14) "Actually, AOL, along with being an acceptable ISP with built in authentication of sender, has an easily used Mail interface. (Even if it doesn't exactly follow the standards.)" -- MMerlynne(a)aol.com, 24 Jul 1998, (+*), in response to #12. 15) "HELLO, IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET MY HANDS ON S BOOK THAT SHOWS THE REAL BASEBALL PEOPLE AUTOGRAPHS AND THE FAKES SO I KNOW WHAT TO LOOK FOR??? PLEASE REPLY" -- AT666IND(a)aol.com, 25 Jul 1998, (+*) 16) "I am trying to find my brother, "Allen Thomas Taylor" I am not sure what year he was born but I think it was l922, l923. We have the same Father[...]" -- CEr1942929(a)aol.com (Christine Ernest), 26 Jul 1998, (+) 17) "Hey: Who made up the term "Politically Correct"? Not Christians and not Republicans. Your side did. How does wanting a smaller government, less taxes, the freedom to CHOOSE to pray in schools, the rights of the un-born( of[...] CHOKE ON IT YOU HYPOCRITE" -- JBrown4330(a)aol.com, 27 Jul 1998, (+) 18) "do you have music vinyl stickers , if so , could i get them wholesale?" -- Babybee390(a)aol.com, 29 Jul 1998, (+*) 19) "I'm looking for Lynrd Skynrds Freebird on a window sticker for my car. Do you know where I can find one?" -- Vox9869(a)aol.com, 28 Jul 1998, (+*) 20) "More!" -- CLCTCHR(a)aol.com, 29 Jul 1998, (+*) 21) "Can you do a 5 color process? 4x4". Price on 500,1000,1500" -- ELarson100(a)aol.com, 4 Aug 1998, (+*) 22) [Subject: whut up] "looking for a place to have some Band stickers made, can you email me a phone number so we can check out some prices.....thanks TIm" -- FRETELUCO(a)aol.com, 6 Aug 1998, (+*) 23) "Could you please send me the Anarchy Cookbook.....I really want it and I cant find it anywhere! Thanx for your help.. Mike Jonhson" -- XoVoX123(a)aol.com, 9 Aug 1998, (+*) 24) [Subject: .] "" (Yes, nothing.) -- EpicTeU(a)aol.com, 9 Aug 1998, (+*) 25) "Come on thake it easy on the guy at least he aint on AOL or somthing stuped." -- ILovToHack(a)aol.com, 13 Aug 1998, () 26) [Subject: Subject: LOL. Made me look] "" (Yes, nothing.) -- Seabiner(a)aol.com, 14 Aug 1998, (+*) 27) "about: Hello, I am trying to start a VB 32 bit code bank you can send any code you want to exept codes for aol addons... . 1nce a week most likely on fridays I will check the hotmail account specifyed below and I will take all the codes and put them in a txt file and send it to everyone who sent a code in since I am [...] To send Codes for the ML Send E-mail to VB32Coders(a)Hotmail.com In the sbject field write anonymous / Code topic if you don't want your E-Mail address to show up when I send the Codes out or else just type the topic of the code you are sending.. ." -- EpicTeU(a)aol.com, 14 Aug 1998, (+) 28) "Because the American Justice system is screwed up royally... for instance - Kevin Mitnick... www.KevinMitnick.com" -- FTPPork(a)aol.com, 17 Aug 1998, (+*) 29) "I am interested in travel between Knoxville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa. I would also be interested in Nashville, Tennessee and Des Moines, Iowa or Atlanta and Des Moines, Iowa. Please notify me of specials in these markets. Thanks, Linda Tisue ltisue(a)aol.com" -- Ltisue(a)aol.com, 18 Aug 1998, (+*) 30) "I am looking to distribute a product and I was wondering if you can tell me how to get mass e mail addresses. I look forward to hearing from you." -- LHilley488(a)aol.com, 19 Aug 1998, (+*) 31) "Send me info on how to make a pipe bomb. HoppyF1315" -- HOPPYF1215(a)aol.com (Hoppy Head), 19 Aug 1998, (+*) 32) "I take that statement as an insult, and it really isn't true about all of us AOL users. [...] Actually, some of us know what real hacking is...[...] Anyway, try not to stereotype people so much, because, with the Advent of 32 bit AOL, we can actually use all of the TCP/IP protocols, etc..." -- FTPPork(a)aol.com, 20 Aug 1998, (+) 33) [Subject: anarchy cookbook] "Is any one home?" -- Spazherp(a)aol.com, 21 Aug 1998, (+*) 34) "I did not say anywhere that 32 bit would fix problems of cluelessness - or ignorance in your case. I said, it is a little better because we can now use TCP/IP protocols. Did I ever say that the people on AOL were smarter because of it? Well, let's go read over that post - - - nope... I didn't. I think some people should read a little more carefully, or just don't read at all." -- FTPPork(a)aol.com, 22 Aug 1998, (+*) (As I recall, this one was in response to a set of flames which cited his assertion in #32.) 35) [Subject: can you help me make virses please tell me who to make one step by step] "I need help i want to know how to make a virses in c\c++ please help me." -- VXF32(a)aol.com, 21 Aug 1998, (+*) 36) "Tell me how to get tons of free stuff! Thank You ." -- RAGOD5597(a)aol.com, 21 Aug 1998, (+*) 37) "Here we go again" -- FTPPork(a)aol.com, 22 Aug 1998, (+*) 38) [Subject: tell me] "hola and good tidings send some info on spooks please i will be grateful" -- RyanFord(a)aol.com, 29 Aug 1998, (+*) 39) [Subject: h] "how did u do it" -- CRBREW9802(a)aol.com, 7 Sep 1998, (+*) 40) " HaCkaZ OnlY Da EliTeHelLO YaLL DiS is Da MaDD AAOOLL HaCka Ima startin a GreWp fOR HaCs Only So In OthA WerDS yA gOttA KnOw The WAreZ anD HoW toO UsEr FaTe AnD AOL So MaIl Or Im Me FoR Da TeTaIls If YeR LeeTo K Pe@CE FrOmE The LeeTs HacKJeFFrO)" -- Jrjeffro(a)aol.com, 9 Sep 1998, (+*) 41) Message quoting the above, which wasn't originally sent to the list, in "<< >>" style, adding only: "What the hell is this? No wonder why AOLers have a bad name Im going to Flame this guy" -- EpicTeU(a)aol.com, 10 Sep 1998, (+*) 42) "Preach on brother =)" -- AIMSX(a)aol.com, 15 Sep 1998, (+*), copied to 25 other recipients, plus the list. 43) "I read that book" -- AIMSX(a)aol.com, 15 Sep 1998, (+*) 44) "All Creatures Great and Small - that one... =) I also read an Aasimov a while back in fifth grade - unfortunately, I can't remember even the name... I need to pick some of his books up again... One book I can remember reading since 5th grade (and every summer thereafter) is "IT" by Stephen King - one of his few really good books. I have read it 8 times since. I greatly recommend it =)" -- AIMSX(a)aol.com, 15 Sep 1998, (+*) 45) "We are sending you an invitation to be one of our special guests this year, big harry ass lawsuits are always of interest. Bring a friend if you like, but I have to warn you, Liberatarians are not welcome. This years menu includes red meat and poptarts. Clothing is optional. Sincerely, Beth" -- BUFFU(a)aol.com, 17 Jul 1998, (+*) 46) "That's why I suggest listening to I Robot by Alan Parson's Project." -- StanSqncrs(a)aol.com, 18 Jul 1998, (+*) 47) "If sombody offers you some FedGov, just say NO!" -- Nilsphone(a)aol.com, 23 Jul 1998, (), copied to 32 recipients, including the list. Note the "+" ratings on the below. (Semi-)Clueful postings from AOL: 1) "It's the easy way out (and I mean DOWN and OUT)! I mean, if we're simply going to change them out everytime, why bother to figure out which ones a going to change them out everytime, why bother to figure out which ones aren't evil/stupid (I mean, out of all those politicians, there's got to be 1 or 2! I think. ;-) )? See, if we just simply change politicians at every chance, then we throw the baby out with the bathwater, so to speak. The simple solutions aren't always the best ones." -- StanSqncrs(a)aol.com, 17 Jul 1998, (+*) 2) "ROFLOL! What's coincidental? The latest tune that my band, Nobody's Business (in which I play bass and sing) has learned, is Cheap Sunglasses by ZZ Top. If it ain't coinicidence, I got a 'scarecrow' in my band. " -- StanSqncrs(a)aol.com, 18 Jul 1998, (+) 3) [Subject: Subject: Nomination of Lyndon Larouche to the UNITED NATIONS OF THE FRINGE] "Hey Punks, As a United Nations OF the Cyber Fringe Member, I am asking for your input on giving Lyndon a nomination. So far his war crimes only include[...]" -- BUFFU(a)aol.com, 20 Jul 1998, (+) 4) "If you would like information about tempest monitors, computers, printers or secure fax machines, please contact me." -- CompSec01(a)aol.com (Karen Azoff), 22 Jul 1998, (+) I gave up at this point because the clueless list just kept growing. The ratio isn't encouraging, especially since I was being generous with what is considered a "clueful post."

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Re: It's finally over (was Re: Explanation of Harald Fragner and cyph
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> > And thanks, but we have enough magazine subscriptions already. :) > > > > Mark > > > > Bart Troyan wrote: > > > > > > The real-world analogy would be for me and all my friends to get a bunch of > > > magazines, rip out all those postage-paid subscription flaps, and fill out > > > your name and address on each of them, then you'd have unwanted trial > > > subscriptions to lots and lots of magazines. > > > > > > hmmmm... > > > MacroView > > > 90 William Street, Suite 301 > > > New York, NY 10038 > > > > > > Wouldn't that suck? Can you imagine if 1000 people did that to you all the > > > same day? (this is *not* a threat, just an example). You'd have bags and > > > bags of zines and bills coming in daily... This sounds like a plan. In fact, we can do this for all spam domains. Interested, Tim? Registrant: MacroView (SIXDEGREES-DOM) 90 William Street, Suite 301 New York, NY 10038 Domain Name: SIXDEGREES.COM

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RE: It's finally over (was Re: Explanation of Harald Fragner and cypherpunks)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes, but you can't expect the masses sign all their email, not yet anyway, so you cannot require cryptographic authentication for mailing lists and services subscriptions (esp. for-profit services that would not like to turn away anyone). That is what you are talking about isn't it? Matt > -----Original Message----- > From: William H. Geiger III [mailto:whgiii@invweb.net] > >What we really need is an automated system that could > >authorize/deny an address prior to the code/password > >being sent that would keep track of distribution list > >addresses and such. > > >Perhaps I'll create one myself soon. > > PGP, Digital signatures, CA's, Authentication, ... This *is* a crypto > related group isn't it? > > How does Thwart, Verisign, or the other CA's handle > authentication of an e-mail address in there low level cert -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNgBgOxU5HlNX4dnFEQKQSACghI+z9TK3uXdAbUQMfX2e+ksuk38An3s9 aV7TVzna/+S+cxFXrOmzoxOW =n91J -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Caligula, My Father, Bill Clinton
by Lazlo Toth 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I think people are finding it much easier to relate to your Mr. Clinton lately... -Lazlo ------------- Caligula, My Father, Bill Clinton by Sam Lipsyte >From Nerve Magazine http://www.nervemag.com/Lipsyte/caligula/ >... > Of course you want her breasts first. I want her breasts first. I >want her in the blue-black dress and I want her breasts first. > I am the President. I've been doing this shit all my life, and I want >her breasts first. I can tell what they will look like already, round and >full and pale with a tiny beautiful vein like a quiet river running to >her heart. I want to squeeze and suckle. That's all I ever really ever >ever wanted. The suits, the speeches, sure, the airplane, sure, but those >fuckers are always after me for more and more of me and this is all I ever >wanted. > I want her ass and her belly and her hair and her lips. > Those fuckers. >...

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Re: Your new password
by Lazlo Toth 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I predict that naughty cypherpunks will use these passwords to repeatedly add the following names to "Schlomo"'s list of contacts: mark(a)sixdegrees.com webmaster(a)sixdegrees.com postmaster(a)sixdegrees.com issues(a)sixdegrees.com If that doesn't work, really naughty cypherpunks may also add the addresses of prominent journalists. Of course, those things would be WRONG. -Lazlo >Name: Schlomo CyberPoopy >sixdegrees password: linkcusp > >Congratulations Schlomo. You're well on your way to >becoming a full sixdegrees(tm) member. Here is your member >password: linkcusp. Use it to log-in on the home page >at the sixdegrees Web site, http://www.sixdegrees.com. >We'll ask you for a little more information to complete your >registration, and then you'll be ready to start networking. > >It's important that you return to the site and log-in. Your >membership will not be complete until you do so. > >Once you've successfully logged in with your password, just go >to Personal Profile and you'll be able to choose your own >password. > >Thanks for becoming part of sixdegrees. We're looking forward >to seeing you at the site. > >==================================================================== >PLEASE NOTE: All replies to this address are processed by a computer. >If you believe you received this e-mail in error, and it was not your >intention to become a sixdegrees member, or if you have any problems, >questions or requests send an e-mail to issues(a)sixdegrees.com >and someone will get back to you as soon as possible. >==================================================================== > > >E.SI.BAM.1

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bill soper & brains
by bill payne 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Wednesday 9/16/98 6:56 PM Underwood More than 40 years ago Armand [bunky] Larive, I, and others took history of philosphy from bill soper. Laivre is an an episcopal priest in Pullman now. http://www.web-x.com/wazzu.net/restaurantguide/index.html I don't see sopher listed in the faculty directory. http://people.whitman.edu/faculty_homepages.html Sopher invited an attractive articulate lady from the B'Hai religion to lecture our class. The LADY put forth an argument on why we should all believe. In the next lecture Soper, as a philospher should, went into every detail why her arguments were falacious. The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention. Francis Bacon I think Lairve was present at the lecture and analysis. I PROFITED FROM YOUR differential equations AND elementary mathematics from an advanced standpoint courses. But this has been about 40 years ago. I still have the books used in your classes. And my education at Whitman. Then, too, I profited from Zirakzaheh's higher alegraba course in the summer of 1958 at U Colorado. Let's hope this gets settled before someone gets NUKED. We know these guys. http://www.wpiran.org/ http://www.taliban.com/ http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/impact/namir/namirm.html And we SPECULATE that they are NOT HAPPY ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. bill ---- Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:50:15 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: john_ashcroft(a)ashcroft.senate.gov Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:48:32 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: senator_leahy(a)leahy.senate.gov, conrad_burns(a)burns.senate.gov Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:46:11 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: john_kerry(a)kerry.senate.gov Subject: Politicians, lawyers, and crypto Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:44:26 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: info(a)kyl.senate.gov CC: senator_mccain(a)mccain.senate.gov, grassley <chuck_grassley(a)grassley.senate.gov>, cynthia mckinney <CYMCK(a)mail.house.gov> Kyl I am reading http://www.cdt.org/crypto/jonkyl.html Please help get this MESS settled. bill ---- Subject: crypto nonsense Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 16:38:25 -0600 From: bill payne <billp(a)nmol.com> To: abd(a)cdt.org, info(a)cdt.org, webmaster(a)cdt.org CHRYSLER AWARD NOMINATION STATEMENT 9/16/9812:50 PM American forefathers drafted the Constitution and laws of our country shortly after having suffered injustice. Fresh in their minds were strategies used by their oppressors. Writers of the Constitution and laws anticipated ways to subvert our system. Therefore, our forefathers designed safeguards into our legal system to prevent future injustice. But these safeguards DONT appear to be working today. Morales and Payne designed a strategy using the National Security Agency [NSA], Sandia National Laboratories, the US Federal Court System, and publication on Internet to illustrate how the US government has deteriorated. Arthur Morales WAS a supervisor at Sandia Labs in 1991. Morales and Manuel Garcia organized a class action lawsuit on behalf of Hispanics against Sandia. Sandia settled Morales and Garcias lawsuit. Department of Energy acknowledged from Freedom of Information Act [FOIA] requests that as of December 31, 1995 Morales cost Sandia $567,137 in legal fees. Sandia retaliated against Morales. Morales sued Sandia in New Mexico District Court. Morales lost. William Payne wrote a technical report describing deficiencies in NSAs cryptographic algorithms http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm. Sandia transferred Payne to break electronics locks for the Federal Bureau of Invesitgation [FBI]. Payne refused to do illegal work. http://www.jya.com/whp1.htm. Payne sued Sandia in Federal Court. Payne lost and court records were sealed. FBI agent Bernardo Perez led a class action lawsuit against the FBI for race discrimination against Hispanic FBI agents. http://www.usdoj.gov/osg/1995/w951482w.txt Perez won. Perez was assigned agent-in-charge of the FBI in Albuquerque for settlement. But Perez lost money. Morales and Payne learned that the FBI extorted an inexpensive settlement from Perez by telling Perez that the FBI was GUARANTEED to win on appeal in Federal Circuit. With Perez and others knowledge of circuit courts, Morales and Payne appealed their respective cases pro se to the Tenth Circuit. In Paynes case Sandia failed to submit its Brief of the Appellees on time. Then falsified its certificate of service when Payne filed to remand. In Morales case Sandia submitted a deficient Brief of the Appellees which was returned but failed to serve Morales with its brief. Payne and Morales both won at the Tenth Circuit on technicalities. But judges awarded the wins to Sandia. All attempts by Morales and Payne to get copies of the docket for their respective Tenth Circuit cases failed. Therefore, Morales and Payne hatched a plan to get the dockets and expose government misconduct. Payne previously made FOIA requests to NSA for copies of messages and translations given to Iraq during the Iraq/Iran war, copies of Libyan messages intercepted by NSA, and NSA cryptographic algorithms Payne thought contained deficiencies. Morales and Payne sued NSA pro se for the documents. 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RE: Democracy... (fwd)
by Matthew James Gering 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> So if a Texas DPS officer pulled over a car from Louisiana he couldn't > hassle them in regards to the pot they had in the car. Even > though it was illegal for Texas citizens. Wow, you learn something new every day. I had always thought state laws applied to anyone in the states borders, not solely to those people declared citizens of that state. In fact if this were the case, why then would it be necessary for the recently bill/proposal allowing people with a valid concealed weapons permit in the jurisdiction in which they work to carry that home (different jurisdiction). In fact wouldn't he need a permit in his home jurisdiction and NOT his work jurisdiction? How could he get a concealed weapons permit in his work jurisdiction if the laws can't apply to him? Surely there is something amiss. Matt

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Bee in the bonnet: A few days before CJ's arrest warrant was issued >the DoJ put out a study on the "Shared Traits of Potential Assassins:" >The traits: * To achieve notoriety or fame. * To bring attention to a personal or public problem. * To avenge a perceived wrong; to retaliate for a perceived injury. * To end personal pain; to be removed from society; to be killed. * To save the country or the world; to fix a world problem. * To develop a special relationship with the target. * To make money. * To bring about political change. How does this differ from the motives of your ordinary politician? Post-revolution, will there be caliber limitations when hunting them?

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Re: Men can be raped
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Of course it's possible to rape a man. Just because he becomes erect >doesn't mean he desires sexual intercourse. People are more than the >instictive reactions their body produces. Someone who chooses not to >engage in sex, but is coerced into doing so, is raped, regardless of >his body's physical reactions. The key element is coercion. Erections >or other bodily responses have nothing to do with it. > >Consider a murderer who ties his victim to a chair and rigs a diabolical >device. A hammer strikes the victim's tendon below his knee, causing >his leg to reflexively kick and set off a bomb. The murdere is caught >but argues that the person committed suicide, since he kicked the bomb >switch himself. There's another spin to this too. Since men apparently aren't raped if they get an erection, then it follows that women aren't raped if they lubricate. You could take it one step farther, and say that neither sex can claim rape if the victim has an orgasm or if they get aroused in *any way*. Courts never cease to amaze me.

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An amendment proposal...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ARTICLE Preamble. This amendment to the Constitution of the United States is intended to address interpretational issues of the same. Should it not pass within seven (7) years from consideration then it shall be deemed removed. Section 1. We the people re-affirm our role as the sole fundamental authority in the United States of America. All other political, civil, criminal, and legislative authority derives from it. Re-affirming the integrity and respect due the 9th and 10th Amendments. And further clearly affirm the equality of the federal & state governmental bodies with that of the people. There is no heirarchy of authority between the three. We further clearly stipulate that any right of the people is to be fully and honorably respected to the individual. Section 2. We the people re-affirm the supreme authority of the Constitution over all courts and rulings thereof, including the Supreme Court of the United States of America. As directed by the 9th Amendment, no case brought before a judicial body may be based on whether a citizen has a right not described in the Constitution. And further, as required by the 10th Amendment, all legislative and regulatory rulings shall be delegated by at least one sentence in the Constitution, without exception. When making consideration of such Constitutional support the Constitution must be considered point by point and as a whole. Section 3. The exact nature of the 1st. Amendment and Congressional authority has been brought into consideration. The 1st Amendment coupled with the 9th and 10th Amendments clearly stipulate that these issues are resolved at the state or individual level. All current and future legislation must respect these, and other, prohibitions in the Constitution of the United States of America in full and without exception. Section 4. The exact nature of the 2nd. Amendment and Congressional authority has been brought into consideration. 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No agency of any civil, legal, military, or executive authority may infringe this right without just cause. This right shall include all communications, writings, storage media, and other technologies used in the creation, execution, and storage. No authority within the United States of America may prohibit the publishing of any document or other media. The rights of ownership and copyright shall be respected to the legal holder. Section 7. While there is clearly a need for secrecy of governmental workings to protect the national interest, there is no need in a democracy to have this be carried indefinitely. It is to be directed that all materials held in any form or manner by the federal government or its agents shall be released in full to public scrutiny via the Library of Congress. These documents shall be required to be released 20 years after their initial creation. In some cases Congress may feel it necessary to extend this time limit. In whatever case Congress may not extend that lifetime in secrecy past 100 years from intial creation of the material. Section 8. A clarification of copyright. While it is clear that the author of a work should derive a period of just compensation from being a sole rights holder that requirement should not extend indefinitely. Congress is directed to decide on a just suitable time period for sole rights expression. At the end of that time all sole rights become public domain. The long term public good demands it. Section 9. Abortion is a social issue of which we recognize no clear solution without repressing some civil liberties. Since we are prohibited in principle and print from such actions we must decline authority in these issues. Per the 10th Amendment we recognize the supremacy of the state constitutions and legislative bodies in this matter. However the individual states may decide the issue the federal government will provide full support and protection to each from violent oppossition from within or without the individual states. Section 10. The federal government is required to guarantee representative governments in all states. This does not include requiring any particular form or function within those states representative governments, only that they be representative. The federal government may not withhold federal services or resources of which state derived tax dollars are involved even if a state is in direct violation of federal laws and regulations. Section 11. The use of military forces or its resources in and for civilian law enforcement operations within the borders of the United States of America, and its territories and protectorates is prohibited. This prohibition is specificly to include in times of war or civil unrest. The only permissible use of such forces is in disaster recovery and in those cases they are released to state control. The only Constitutionaly authorized force for insurrection and civil unrest is the Militia. It is permitted to transfer a unit from the regular military to the militia. Such a transfer requires all lines of authority and responsibility to derive from the militia. Such a move must be authorized by Congress except in times of war where such authorization is considered implicit. Section 12. Membership in the military, law enforcement, or other civil position is sufficient for the infringment of any civil liberties. Democracies don't give up democracy to protect democracy. Section 13. Public law enforcement agents are prohibited from unnecessarily putting the people in danger. This shall include actions or rulings which put the people in danger. 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Feds Seize Houses for Illegal Downloading
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's an interesting civil forfeiture story. Feds catch a guy downloading naughty child pictures in a multinational raid, and immediately file to seize his house. Guy commits suicide. Feds say that civil forfeiture of homes where improper downloading takes place is a wonderful new weapon in the WarOnSomeThoughts(tm), and that they plan to do a lot more of it in the future. http://www.dallasnews.com/national-nf/nat83.htm Some exerpts.... Kenneth Nighbert lived a block from the beach in Kennebunk, Maine. Two weeks ago, the retired Air Force pilot flew his American flag upside down from his second-floor sun deck, a universal cry for help. Then he went inside, tied a plastic bag around his head and died. ... People who think they're indulging in forbidden fantasies in the solitude of their homes, only to be interrupted by a firm knock on their doors in the dead of night. ... The suspects range from a high school teacher to a 15-year-old boy to a quadriplegic man. Three women also were caught in the sweep. ... On the night of the Sept. 3 raids, Kennebunk police and Customs authorities crept up to Mr. Nighbert's home and peered through a back window, said Sgt. David Gordon. ... Mr. Nighbert was charged with possession of child pornography, a felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison, and authorities simultaneously filed a civil action seeking forfeiture of the house, which was assessed at $168,000 and owned jointly with his sister. Mr. Nighbert was freed on $10,000 bond. "He was obviously extremely upset and nervous and, actually, crying at the time he appeared in court," said U.S. Attorney Jay McCloskey. Mr. Nighbert's lawyer, Rick Berne, said he believed his client was facing too harsh a penalty for someone who only downloaded pictures. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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An amendment proposal... (fwd) [one typo fixed]
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > From: Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> > Subject: An amendment proposal... > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:50:30 -0500 (CDT) > Section 12. Membership in the military, law enforcement, or other civil > position is sufficient for the infringment of any civil ^ not > liberties. Democracies don't give up democracy to protect > democracy. ____________________________________________________________________ To know what is right and not to do it is the worst cowardice. Confucius The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage(a)ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- --------------------------------------------------------------------

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BOUNCE cypherpunks@ssz.com: Admin request (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: >From owner-cypherpunks(a)ssz.com Sat Oct 24 13:00:48 1998 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:00:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199810241800.NAA16897(a)einstein.ssz.com> To: owner-cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com From: owner-cypherpunks(a)einstein.ssz.com Subject: BOUNCE cypherpunks(a)ssz.com: Admin request >From cypherpunks-owner(a)ssz.com Sat Oct 24 13:00:43 1998 Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by einstein.ssz.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA16886 for cypherpunks(a)ssz.com; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:00:41 -0500 Received: from www.video-collage.com (cpunks(a)www.video-collage.com [206.15.171.132]) by einstein.ssz.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA16879 for <cpunks(a)EINSTEIN.ssz.com>; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:00:38 -0500 Received: (from cpunks@localhost) by www.video-collage.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id NAA16887; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from systemics.ai (mail(a)systemics.ai [209.88.68.48]) by www.video-collage.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA16697 for <cypherpunks(a)algebra.com>; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mises.systemics.ai [209.88.68.61] (mail) by systemics.ai with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #1 (Debian)) id 0zX7op-0007VO-00; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:39 -0400 Received: from ryan by mises.systemics.ai with local (Exim 2.02 #1 (Debian)) id 0zX7oK-0002qp-00; Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:49:08 -0400 To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com Subject: new mailing list for hardware tamper-resistance Message-ID: <19981024134908.K25817@mises.@> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.11i From: Ryan Lackey <ryan(a)systemics.ai> I've created a new mailing list, called "tamper-resist", for technical/etc. discussions of tamper resistance, both through distributed techniques and hardware tamper resistance. It's hosted at venona.com. To subscribe, send mail to tamper-resist-request(a)venona.com. I encourage people to crosspost, etc.

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Mad Monger Artist
by Frederick Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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by Frederick Burroughs 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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17 Dec '03

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by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I know this was discussed recently, but I don't recall seeing the answer. Are there any recent cryptographic filesystem patches for Linux (preferably later 2.1 kernels) which implement at LEAST CAST-128 and IDEA?

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Y2K is coming, and boy, is it pissed?
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

;-) Cheers, Bob Hettinga --- begin forwarded text Delivered-To: ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com X-Sender: believer(a)telepath.com Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 07:20:06 -0600 To: believer(a)telepath.com From: believer(a)telepath.com Subject: IP: 25% of Christians Expect Christ's Return in Their Lifetimes Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-ignition-point(a)majordomo.pobox.com Precedence: list Reply-To: believer(a)telepath.com Source: NandoNet http://www.nando.net/newsroom/ntn/nation/102498/nation1_27950_noframes.html Third Millennium's approach raises end-time hopes, fears Copyright © 1998 The Associated Press WASHINGTON (October 24, 1998 08:50 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) -- Jesus Christ is about to return, and the 1,500 folks packed into the Sheraton Washington ballroom couldn't be happier. For 16 hours a day, the End-Time Handmaidens pray and sway, singing of the day they will "dance on streets that are golden." Around them, middle-aged women clad in white and gold robes glide through the aisles while other believers blow into rams' horns, their shrieks announcing the Second Coming. The end is near. The end-timers are here. "We're running out of time. We're running out of time," Sister Gwen Shaw, the group's septuagenarian matriarch, says at the Handmaidens' annual convention in 1997. "This is God's last call." While these Handmaidens may be on America's evangelical fringe, their beliefs about the millennium and Christ's Second Coming are remarkably mainstream. According to a 1997 Associated Press poll, nearly one out of every four Christian adults -- an estimated 26.5 million people -- expect Jesus to arrive in their lifetimes. Nearly as many -- an estimated 21.1 million Americans -- are so sure of it that they feel an urgent need to convert friends and neighbors. The results are consistent with other surveys that have found a widespread belief in the Second Coming. But the AP poll, conducted last spring by ICR of Media, Pa., probes how Christians are acting on their beliefs. The most fervent end-timers gather at prophecy conventions such as this one in Washington, but their dreams and fears reverberate throughout the country. America may have already entered what one apocalyptic scholar calls the "hot zone" of end-time speculation: The year 2000 is far enough away to be plausible as Christ's Second Coming, yet close enough to spark intense proselytizing. "I look at prophecy as a Polaroid picture that takes five minutes to develop," says Zola Levitt, a Dallas evangelist on The Family Channel. "I'd say we're at four minutes, 55 seconds." At the end-timers' convention, believers pay hundreds of dollars for Jewish liturgical instruments fashioned from rams' horns -- for the chance to play their own small part in announcing the Second Coming. In unpracticed hands, these shofars sound like a third-grade orchestra warming up. Others, both in and out of the mainstream, are also blowing horns of warning. There are best-sellers such as Pat Robertson's "The End of the Age." Scores of broadcasters, from Jack Van Impe to Hal Lindsey, have preached of the end times. And the Internet offers more than 100 popular millennial sites, including This Week in Bible Prophecy and End Times Links. For evangelical Christians, the Second Coming is what's new about the new millennium. According to the AP poll, almost 40 percent of Christians expect Jesus to arrive in the 21st century, if not sooner. They are looking past Jesus' own admonition that "no one knows the hour." By their reckoning of Biblical clues, the time is soon. Belief in Jesus' return has underpinned Christianity from its earliest days. Each week, Christians throughout the world recite the Apostle's Creed, invoking Jesus who "will come again to judge the living and the dead." Each day, many begin The Lord's Prayer, passed down by Jesus, with "Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come...." But what makes today's prayers so earnest? What separates this generation of end-time prophets from those of the last two millennia? Israel. The New Testament compares the kingdom of God, near at hand, to the growth of a fig tree. Some believers substitute Israel for the tree. They say the Second Coming is near at hand when the tree shoots forth branches -- when Israel becomes a nation. And that happened in 1948. "Verily I say unto you, 'This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled,"' Jesus says in Luke 21:32. Since many end-time prophets also place the apocalyptic Armageddon in Israel, developments there continue to stir interest. In 1967, when Israel reclaimed much of Jerusalem from Jordan, the prophecy in Luke was only strengthened. During the 1991 war between the United States and Iraq, many evangelists -- from Billy Graham to John Walvoord, chancellor of the Dallas Theological Seminary -- envisioned the beginning of the end. And when the 1993 Mideast peace pact was signed, radio evangelist Monte Judah of Norman, Okla., identified the beginning of seven years' tribulation heralding the Second Coming. For evangelicals, signs of the end can be found anywhere, anytime. Worldwide disasters -- floods, wars, earthquakes -- are what Jesus, in the Gospel of Matthew, told followers to look for. The Hale-Bopp comet, famine in Africa, developments in the European Common Market, even the convergence of full moons and Jewish religious festivals -- all are sifted for clues of the apocalypse. "There's a lot happening in our time that would give most people a concern and an excitement that the Lord is going to return," Thomas A. McMahon says. He is executive director of the Berean Call, a religious newsletter out of Bend, Ore., that circulates to 80,000 Christians. "Every day has significance. Every political, social, economic event has significance," says Phillip Lucas, general editor of Nova Religio: The Journal of Alternative and Emergent Religions. "Your whole experience of time is greatly heightened." If the time is near, why not sometime around the year 2000? For end-timers who cite a divine plan, great things tend to happen in 2,000-year periods. Abraham and Isaac, patriarchs who established a covenant between God and humans, were born around 2000 B.C. Two millennia later, Christians believe, God became man with the birth of Jesus. Those who believe human history is 6,000 years old wait with special expectancy. Consider the mathematics in Peter's Second Letter: "One day with the Lord is as a thousand years." For these believers, the new millennium starts on the seventh day of creation. For them, after 6,000 years of strife and turmoil, it's time for 1,000 years of heavenly rest as Jesus rules over the Kingdom of God on Earth. "A lot of people think maybe the year 2000," says Leon Bates, head of the Bible Believers' Evangelistic Association in Sherman, Texas. "I would go along with the thought that it would be just like the Lord to have an overall 7,000-year plan." Oleeta Herrmann believes the end could come any time. She traveled to the end-timers' convention from Xenia, Ohio, where three 25-foot crosses in her back yard warn neighbors to get right with God. Like others at the convention, she has heard the rustle of angels preparing the way of the Lord. One night, she says, Jesus appeared in her bedroom to reassure her that nieces and nephews would not be left behind when she is lifted into the clouds to join others in her family who have died. "You're bringing the rest of them with you," were the Lord's words, she says. Willie Mae Johnson, at the convention from Lighthouse Free Methodist Church in St. Louis, has no such assurances. What will happen to her father, her children and other relatives who have not accepted Christ? She is beginning to waver as 2000 approaches. "I don't want to leave anyone behind, so you say yeah, and you say no," she says. "I want Jesus to come back right now, but just wait a little while, Jesus." Even vendors at the end-timers' convention raise provocative questions, selling T-shirts that feature three frogs plopped on a lily pad and asking: "Where are you goin' when you croak?" Many people are not going to make it through the tribulation. "He has given us ... a burden for lost souls," says the Rev. Dorothy Mottern, accompanied to the convention by church members from Fredericksburg, Va. For those who read Revelation as a literal forecast, the future is frightening for people without God's seal on their foreheads. In that Book, a third of the Earth burns, and angels kill a third of those who survive. For others, torture is so severe that "people will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will flee from them." Warnings like these can change lifestyles. In the AP poll, 98 percent of those who believe Jesus will return in their lifetimes say they urgently need to get right with God. About 21.1 million Americans, the poll estimates, have decided to get others right, too, wanting to convert friends, neighbors and relatives. Among age groups, the urgency is felt most widely among Baby Boomers. By region, it is most prevalent in the South. This urgency has created sweeping evangelistic campaigns. Celebrate Jesus 2000, a coalition of evangelical churches and ministries, wants to reach the "entire nation for Christ" by the third millennium. In an unprecedented action, the 15 million-member Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant denomination, in 1996 vowed to make special efforts to evangelize the Jews. Of course, the end of the world has been predicted many times before. But dates for the Second Coming have come and gone. In the 1840s, followers of William Miller quit jobs, sold belongings and moved to upstate New York to await the return of Jesus. He didn't come. Two successful churches arose from the Millerite Movement: The Seventh-day Adventists and the Jehovah's Witnesses. Both continue to anticipate the end-times but no longer specify the date. Charles Taze Russell, founder of the modern-day Witnesses, predicted that the millennial age would begin in 1914. World War I raised hopes he was right, but the movement's catchword -- "Millions now living will never die" -- gradually lost its urgency. Two years ago, the Witnesses officially dismissed date-setting as speculation, declaring Jesus was right that "no one knows the place and the time." The Worldwide Church of God also no longer sets dates for the end-times, partly because founder Herbert W. Armstrong was so often wrong. Hal Lindsey's "Late Great Planet Earth" raised end-time fears in the 1970s. Now he has a new best seller, "Planet Earth - 2000 A.D." So what will happen this time, if life goes on? Some worry that fringe end-times movements may act in increasingly desperate ways. They point to the mass suicides of the Heaven's Gate and Branch Davidian communities, whose charismatic leaders believed they had special word from God about end-times. However, most experts on evangelical Christianity think believers will accept delays -- and perhaps even be a bit relieved. In the AP poll, only 61 percent of Christian respondents who believe Jesus will arrive in their lifetime are praying for his quick return. Walvoord, of the Dallas Theological Seminary, says it reminds him of a Sunday school teacher who asked the class who wants to go to heaven. When only one boy failed to raise his hand, the teacher asked: "Don't you want to go?" "Yeah," the boy replied, "but I thought you were getting a load to go right now." By DAVID BRIGGS, AP Religion Writer ----------------------- NOTE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without profit or payment to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ----------------------- **************************************************** To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com with the message: (un)subscribe ignition-point email@address or (un)subscribe ignition-point-digest email@address **************************************************** www.telepath.com/believer **************************************************** --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert A. Hettinga <mailto: rah(a)philodox.com> Philodox Financial Technology Evangelism <http://www.philodox.com/> 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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what's related to what's related
by evan.cordes＠UMICH.EDU 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: "Bernard A. Galler" <galler(a)umich.edu> Subject: Fwd: IP: Netscape's XML App -- or what is really What's Related Newsgroups: umich.interesting.people Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:52:32 -0500 >Delivered-To: ip-sub-1(a)majordomo.pobox.com >X-Sender: dfarber(a)mail.earthlink.net >Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:44:28 -0400 >To: ip-sub-1(a)majordomo.pobox.com >From: Dave Farber <farber(a)cis.upenn.edu> >Subject: IP: Netscape's XML App -- or what is really What's Related >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Sender: owner-ip-sub-1(a)majordomo.pobox.com >Precedence: list >Reply-To: farber(a)cis.upenn.edu >Status: > >Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 15:23:37 GMT >From: dwiner(a)well.com (DaveNet email) >Subject: Netscape's XML App > >------------------------------------- >>From Scripting News... It's DaveNet! >Released on 10/24/98; 8:23:30 AM PST >------------------------------------- > > Yesterday I got an email from Jeff Veen at Wired pointing me to the > server that Netscape is running its What's Related? application on. > This server is part of the project they did with Alexa Internet, and > it's the back-end for the What's Related? feature in Netscape 4.5. > > I had a little time to kill, was looking for a diversion, so I sent a > message to Netscape's server via script and I was blown away. It's > XML! Yes it is. And why, oh why, didn't they tell anyone? (Or did I miss > something?) > > Anyway, I wrote an app that talks to their server. It interfaces thru > an HTML form. You enter the URL of a site, and I find out what's related, > with a twist. The URL to the related site links back to the form, and I do > a lookup on *that* site, allowing you to interactively walk their > tree of relationships. > > This is just a demonstration. I want to be sure that people interested > in building XML apps have a way to experience the XMLness of what > Netscape has done, which is very interesting, for sure. > > Here's the link to my app: > > <http://nirvana.userland.com/whatsRelated/> > > Hope you like it! > > ***Absence makes the heart do what? > > Oh baby, so sorry to be gone for so long. > > Sometimes the most important thing is being heard. > > And sometimes it's most important to say nothing. > > For the last four weeks I haven't had much to say. I've been busy and > quiet and more productive than I can remember ever being. What am I > doing? Building cool servers and editors, of course! > > Stay tuned... > > Dave Winer > >------------------------------------------- >Scripting News: <http://www.scripting.com/> > Bernard A. Galler E-mail: galler(a)umich.edu Fax: 734-668-9998

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