December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Singapore & Freedom
by Blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

SingMonger wrote: >Don't forget the other good points, no guns or bullets, color >copiers are (were?) restricted, all media controlled by the >government (even Time magazine was banned), mandatory savings >program (CPF), National Service, and the government attitude of >those that are not with us are against us. Also, don't forget >that the Singaporean government has brought the Big Brother >concept to reality. .............................................................. Sounds like the kind of place suitable for people who don't have a Mind of Their Own, nor a personal vision of, or mission in, life (besides maintaining an active DNA pool). .. Blanc

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Re: IP: U.N. Hate-Radio Jamming Would Send Wrong Signal
by William Reichenbach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Notice the Double Speak in the LA Times article below? What is taking place in Bosnia is Exactly the same thing (Censorship) as the writer of the article is expressing concern about. It is exactly the same conduct that the two NWO Stooges Metzl and Rep Royce so enthusiastically endorse. It is only a question of whose ox is being gored. William "Indeed, the United States and its allies are conducting a somewhat similar operation in Bosnia. Two months ago, NATO troops seized and effectively shut down a station run by hard-line Bosnian Serb forces after the station broadcast inflammatory attacks on NATO forces trying to keep the peace there. But it's a long step to go from these situations to the creation of a permanent, formal unit run by the United Nations and scouring the world in search of radio broadcasts to jam. " believer(a)telepath.com wrote: > >From the Los Angeles Times: > > Wednesday, December 3, 1997 > > INTERNATIONAL OUTLOOK > U.N. Hate-Radio Jamming Would Send Wrong Signal > By JIM MANN > > WASHINGTON--In foreign policy, sometimes the noblest of intentions > leads to > lousy ideas. > > That's certainly the case with the recent curious proposal for a > special > United Nations "jam squad"--a special U.N. team that could be > hurriedly > dispatched to crisis points around the world carrying equipment to > jam, or > block, harmful radio and TV broadcasts. > > Writing in the current issue of "Foreign Affairs" magazine, Jamie M. > Metzl, > a former United Nations human rights officer, proposes the creation of > what > would officially be called an "independent information intervention > unit" at > the U.N. > > Its goal, he writes, would be "countering dangerous messages that > incite > people to violence." A U.N. unit could monitor local news media to see > where > crises might erupt, air its own messages of peace and, where > necessary, > prevent other radio or TV broadcasts from being heard. > > The idea for the U.N. jam squad originated in the genocidal horrors of > > Rwanda. In 1994, the country's main radio station, the > Radio-Television > Libre des Milles Collines, then controlled by Hutu extremists, began > broadcasting hate messages targeting members of the rival tribe, the > Tutsis, > and moderate Hutus. > > The Rwanda station even broadcast lists of enemies to be hunted down. > "Take > your spears, clubs, guns, swords, stones, everything, sharpen them, > jack > them, those enemies, those cockroaches," the station urged listeners. > The > result was one of the world's worst blood baths, in which more than > 500,000 > unarmed Tutsis and moderate Hutus were slaughtered. > > This was, certainly, as compelling a case for jamming as you can get. > And > Metzl has one cogent argument on behalf of his proposal: When there's > an > ethnic conflict in a place like Rwanda, sending in a United Nations > jamming > team would be considerably easier and less costly than sending in > troops. > > "I think it's a worthy idea," says Rep. Edward R. Royce (R-Fullerton), > > chairman of the House International Relations subcommittee on Africa. > "I'm > sure we would try to go out and jam [in Rwanda] if those circumstances > came > up again." > > Indeed, the United States and its allies are conducting a somewhat > similar > operation in Bosnia. Two months ago, NATO troops seized and > effectively shut > down a station run by hard-line Bosnian Serb forces after the station > broadcast inflammatory attacks on NATO forces trying to keep the peace > there. > > But it's a long step to go from these situations to the creation of a > permanent, formal unit run by the United Nations and scouring the > world in > search of radio broadcasts to jam. > > Who would determine exactly what kinds of radio programs should be > blocked > and which programs could be aired? What would ensure that the jamming > decisions were not motivated by politics? Wouldn't the creation of > such a > United Nations operation strengthen the hand of governments that want > to jam > radio transmissions for much less noble reasons? > > "This opens up a Pandora's box, really," says Richard Richter, the > director > of Radio Free Asia, the federally funded station that broadcasts into > Asian > countries with repressive governments. "You'd have China claiming that > we > [American broadcasts] should be jammed by the United Nations." > > Ultimately, a U.N. jamming squad would give official sanction to > restrictions on the free flow of information. Metzl's article has a > response > to this problem, but it's a weak one. > > "During the Cold War, when the United States faced a Soviet adversary > intent > on jamming the Voice of America and Radio Free Europe . . . , it made > sense > for the United States to promote an absolute standard for the free > flow of > information," he wrote. "Now, a more nuanced view should be possible." > > But that's precisely backward: The free flow of information wasn't > merely a > temporary means to winning the Cold War, but one of the goals of the > endeavor. > > Although the problem of hate-filled radio broadcasts is a serious one, > there > are ways of dealing with it that don't involve creating some huge, > supranational censorship unit. > > One alternative is simply to provide other, competing radio > broadcasts. In > Rwanda, for example, the United Nations set up its own radio stations, > both > in the capital of Kigali and in radio camps. > > Royce's subcommittee has been exploring the possibility of creating a > Radio > Free Africa, similar to Radio Free Europe, Radio Free Asia and Radio > Marti, > which broadcasts to Cuba. > > There are serious questions about whether such a new organization is > necessary, when VOA, the official U.S. government station, already > broadcasts intensively into Africa. But the underlying idea makes > sense: to > transmit better, more accurate information to Africa, rather than > focusing > on jamming or censorship. > > There are other ways of combating hate radio too. Those who directly > incite > violence over the airwaves can be brought to justice. At the moment, a > > war-crimes tribunal, set up under U.N. auspices, is prosecuting those > responsible for the massacres in Rwanda. Among the suspects in custody > are > some of those responsible for the Milles Collines radio broadcasts. > > But a worldwide, U.N.-run jamming team? As a Hollywood script, maybe > the > idea has possibilities. As foreign policy, it's a loser. > > Jim Mann's column appears in this space every Wednesday. > > Copyright Los Angeles Times > > > > ********************************************** > To subscribe or unsubscribe, email: > majordomo(a)majordomo.pobox.com > with the message: > subscribe ignition-point email@address > or > unsubscribe ignition-point email@address > ********************************************** > http://www.telepath.com/believer > **********************************************

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FW: GSM hack -- operator flunks the challenge
by Stewart_William_C＠bns.att.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded from RISKS ______________________ Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:36:36 +0000 From: Ross Anderson <Ross.Anderson(a)cl.cam.ac.uk> Subject: GSM hack -- operator flunks the challenge On Friday 13th September 1996, I read in comp.risks that: > MobilCom, a subsidiary of German TeleKom (since 100 years monopolist on > telephone communication in Germany, with its monopoly ending in 1998) > publicly offers 100,000 DM to a telephone hacker who is able to communicate > at the expense of the (national) number 0171-3289966. The related chipcard > is said to be safely stored in lawyer`s office. In an attempt to paint this > dubious offer somewhat "politically correct", the successful hacker will > have to donate his earnings to a social institution of his(her) choice. This caught our attention - Cambridge University, being a registered charity, surely qualifies as a `social institution', and 100,000 DM would buy us a state-of-the-art triple-wavelength laser microprobe workstation for chipcard breaking. So we had a look at GSM and found a way to hack it. We worked out what equipment we'd need and where we could borrow it, assembled the team, checked that the attack would work in principle, and then started trying to find the right person in Deutsche Telekom to speak to. We needed to know the IMSI (international mobile subscriber identification) and get written confirmation of the challenge; otherwise the attack might have been interpreted as an offence under Britain's Wireless Telegraphy Act. After some chasing around, unanswered e-mails and so on, we went to a mobile phone fraud conference in June and made contacts there which suggested some names, leading to further unanswered correspondence, and finally a faxed reply. Here is a translation of the original German, online at <<http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/ftp/users/rja14/roesner.gif>http://www.cl.cam. ac. uk/ftp/users/rja14/roesner.gif>: Dear Dr Anderson Many thanks for your fax of the 6th October 1997. Please excuse the late reply to your fax. The matter that you mentioned did not originate from T-Mobil but from one of our service providers, the firm Mobilcom in Schleswig. We understand that the offer has since also been withdrawn by them. Yours etc. How does our attack work? Well, when a GSM phone is turned on, its identity (the IMSI) is relayed to the authentication centre of the company that issued it, and this centre sends back to the base station a set of five `triples'. Each triple consists of a random challenge, a response that the handset must return to authenticate itself, and a content key for encrypting subsequent traffic between the mobile and the base station. The base station then relays the random challenge to the handset. The SIMcard which personalises the handset holds a secret issued by the authentication centre, and it computes both the response and the content key from the random challenge using this secret. The vulnerability we planned to exploit is that, although there is provision in the standard for encrypting the traffic between the base station and the authentication centre, in practice operators leave the transmissions in clear. This is supposedly `for simplicity' (but see below). To break GSM, we transmit the target IMSI from a handset and intercept the five triples as they come back on the microwave link to the base station. Now we can give the correct response to the authentication challenge, and encrypt the traffic with the correct key. We can do this online with a smartcard emulator hooked up through a PC to a microwave protocol analyser; in a less sophisticated implementation, you could load the handset offline with the responses and content keys corresponding to challenges 2 through 5 which will be used on the next four occasions that you call. The necessary microwave test set costs about $20,000 to buy, but could be home built: it's more than an undergraduate project but much less than a PhD, and any 23cm radio ham should be able to put one together. We would have borrowed this, and reckoned on at most 3 person months for SIM-handset protocol implementation, system integration, debugging and operational testing. Given such an apparatus, you can charge calls to essentially any GSM phone whose IMSI you know. IMSIs can be harvested by eavesdropping, both passive and active; `IMSI-catchers' are commercially available. The fix for our attack is to turn on traffic encryption between the GSM base stations. But that will not be politically acceptable, since the spooks listen to GSM traffic by monitoring the microwave links between base stations: these links contain not only clear keys but also clear telephony traffic. Such monitoring was reported in the UK press last year, and now the necessary equipment is advertised openly on the net. See for example <http://www.gcomtech.com/>. The RISK for intelligence agencies? Making systems like GSM give government access to keys can have horrendous side effects (especially where this access is via channels that aren't properly documented and evaluated). These side effects can get you into serious conflict with powerful commercial interests. The RISKS for phone companies? Firstly, letting spook agencies bully you into a bad security design with the assurance that it will only compromise your customers' privacy, has as a likely side-effect the compromise of your signalling and thus your revenue. (David Wagner, Bruce Schneier and John Kelsey made this point for the US cellular system: see <http://www.counterpane.com/cmea.html>.) Secondly, most phone companies have no crypto expertise. Their security managers are largely ex-policemen or accountants, and so are unable to evaluate the security claims made by equipment manufacturers and intelligence agency representatives. Thirdly, by restricting parts of the security specification to people who signed a non-disclosure agreement, the GSM consortium deprived itself of the benefit of open scrutiny by the research community. It is this scrutiny that has led to protocols such as SSL and SET having their holes found and fixed. However, the global deployment of GSM ensured that many people would be cleared to know the design, most of which can be got anyway by observing traffic or by reverse engineering unprotected equipment. So public scrutiny was inevitable - but only after billions of dollars' worth of equipment had been deployed and the system could not changed. So the GSM security-by-obscurity strategy gave them the worst of all possible worlds. The consumer electronics industry should take note. The specific RISK for Deutsche Telekom: responding to cynicism about GSM security claims by putting up a reckless challenge and thus motivating an attack. The RISK for GSM users: that crooks running a call-sell operation will book a very expensive phone call on your account. An established modus operandi is to set up a conference call which their clients and counterparties join in succession. As the bill isn't forwarded to the service provider until the phone goes on-hook, you can end up with a five-figure bill for a call that lasted several days and involved hundreds of overseas telephone numbers. Some GSM operators (such as Vodafone) limit this exposure by terminating all calls after six hours; but your IMSI can be used on a network that doesn't do this. And of course, as with `phantom withdrawals' from cash machines, the use of cryptography will `prove' that you're liable for the bill. Ross Anderson, Cambridge University Computer Laboratory <www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14> Acknowledgement: our research students Stefan Hild, Abida Khattak, Markus Kuhn and Frank Stajano contributed in various ways to researching and planning this attack. An academic paper on the subject will appear in due course. +==============================================

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Anonymous Thread
by Charlie Comsec 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Monty Cantsin wrote: > Something that I have found irritating about the posts by > non-persistent identities is that it isn't possible to support a > meaningful discussion as previous statements can always be repudiated, > or maybe even weren't made by the particular poster. I compared this > to sound bites. How is that fundamentally different from non-anonymous posts, though? You can always disavow (or attempt to) a previous post by claiming it was forged, that someone stole your password, hacked your account, or posted it when you accidentally left your terminal logged on while you were at lunch. In addition, there's nothing to stop someone from obtaining multiple e-mail accounts. So why should ten anonymous posts be an more irritating than ten posts from hotmail.com, juno.com, etc. accounts? They could be from ten different people, just one, or any number in between. > On second thought, however, there is an easy way to solve this. If > the anonymous poster accepts the context of previous messages, the > discussion can continue. There's no reason why the person behind the > virtual thread has to be the same, but the context itself is important > if we want to have interesting discussions. Agreed. It's the ideas that are important, not the identity of the person[a] expressing them. The only exception I can think of is if the person expressing the ideas is asking that they be accepted because of some unique qualification or expertise he claims to possess. > So, if you don't want to sign your messages, just acknowledge the > message ID of the relevant previous messages whose context you wish to > use. Unless that's coupled with a PGP signature, there's nothing to keep one anonymous person from impersonating another and agreeing to something. For example, if "A" is debating "B", there's nothing to stop "B" from posting as "C", claiming to be an anonymous KKK, NAMBLA, etc. member, then posting again, impersonating "A", and pretending to agree with "C" (by, as you say, "acknowledging C's message id"). Nor is it much better if "A", "B", and "C" are non-anonymous. "B" can open a throwaway account as "C", and then forge a follow-up from "A". Unless it's done among a group of people skilled at interpreting headers, it may well succeed, or at least arouse a lot of F.U.D. about "A". - --- Finger <comsec(a)nym.alias.net> for PGP public key (Key ID=19BE8B0D) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBNIhcnwbp0h8ZvosNAQHsHwf9G2qBkAmpgR4+mTnsb4IHZeEDQZ8rWP7P TVQ8Z0lnfoZW6OOlXUZi2y42LRI7+j5OvCTRW4P/Yndiuiaqz0Bi7cWGt9FfLDMz gDg7g3doNMe9xDDEUsAHaAYdkPEgHub+Udd+YUKEMJMcn/o/7soPHfBQFMSK2ZqI s08+mdd0EPyM7ZN9EfIxaU7sBFpWLKhLjA6pCwqihIyBLrCVnxZd28jcOowXTCL/ +2E6eLqy4JBv8Wh00YMFjb9aw3GfXw/LImEYCVoA6OUum5uvA5eyENlGOtdDQx8/ aBmPW6cKoLAnBb2MkcxmU9rrO4lxkQNk9tHW+HBs7WfEr6u8RwWtSA== =KWVK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Censorial leftists (Was: Interesting article)
by Jonathan Wienke 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 11:44 PM 12/4/97 -0500, Steve Thompson wrote: >Abstinance is murder. > >Letting just _one_ egg miss fertilization denies that egg the chance to become >a human being. I think that the felony charge should be manslaughter for this >crime as it's not quite as bad as: > >Birth control > >Birth control is nothing more than premeditated murder, though >I think that a plea-bargain in most cases should be offered: Drop the charge >to manslaughter if the perp agrees to artificial insemination with the eggs of >some woman who is unable to get pregnant due to some medical condition. This, of course is the position of the Mormon Church, and was originally used to justify the polygamous practices of the early Mormons. Somehow this concept (as well as polygamy) was phased out by "new revelations" just like the "skin of blackness" curse on all non-whites was during the sixties. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5 iQA/AwUBNIjXGcJF0kXqpw3MEQKYVgCg/JSiBQbEt5cH14HNUMO8oYjimfAAn0OM ZmvqXW1G1EGJKWLimP6Lfmwe =QZ6P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Jonathan Wienke PGP Key Fingerprints: 7484 2FB7 7588 ACD1 3A8F 778A 7407 2928 3312 6597 8258 9A9E D9FA 4878 C245 D245 EAA7 0DCC "If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams "Stupidity is the one arena of of human achievement where most people fulfill their potential." -- Jonathan Wienke Never sign a contract that contains the phrase "first-born child." RSA export-o-matic: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Rubber-hose proof (cryptographically deniable) file-systems.
by Julian Assange 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Here's a copy of some correspondence in relation to my implementation of a `rubber hose proof' (cryptographically deniable) file system (actually implimented as a block device on which you can mount any file system). I'm happy with the cryptographic strength of the system (but feel free to comment anyway). That said, I'm not convinced that my avoidance of media (i.e disk surface) analysis attacks (which could potentially show the pre-sense or otherwise of cryptographic file systems other than the "duress" ones) is entirely effective. I'd like some comment from gauss-ridden declassification guru's here :) [...] Here's how I'm implementing `aspects' in Rubberhose/marutukku; `aspect' is the term I'm using to refer to the cryptographically-deniable (i.e rubber-hose-proofed) "portion", of a maru extent i.e it's a different _aspect_ (view) of the same underlying physical block extent. I decided that random split lengths don't add to the security of the scheme - only 2x from my calculations - which isn't enough to warrant the increase in memory use and complexity involved. The extent is simply divided up into n splits (say 1024 or one every 256k, whichever is smaller). Each aspect has an encrypted 32bit block remap list (which is simply a linear array because of the fixed split size). A split avoidance bit-map is created from these per-aspect remap lists on instantiation of the aspects. An individual aspect looks like so (when saved): typedef struct { m_u32 keySum; /* key checksum */ u_char masterKey[MAX_KEY]; u_char latticeCipherType, blockCipherType; u_char pad[MAX_BLOCK - (4 + MAX_KEY + 1 + 1) % MAX_BLOCK]; /* block align */ } maruCycle; typedef struct { maruCycle cycle; u_char keySalt[MAX_PASSPHRASE]; maruLatticeKey latticeKeySalt[2]; u_char blockIV[MAX_FS_BLOCK_SIZE]; u_char latticeSalt[2*MAX_LATTICE_DEPTH*MAX_BLOCK_KEY]; /* must be 64 aligned */ m_u32 remap[MAX_SPLITS]; m_u32 iterations; maruCipher keyCipherType; } maruHeaderAspect; There are an array of (8 by default) of these constructs in a maruHeader. The smap accessor macros are simple: #define SMAP_SET(p, n) (((p))[(n)/(sizeof(maruSmap)*8)] |= (1 << ((n) % (sizeof(maruSmap)*8)))) #define SMAP_CLR(p, n) (((p))[(n)/(sizeof(maruSmap)*8)] &= ~ (1 << ((n) % (sizeof(maruSmap)*8)))) #define SMAP_ISSET(p, n) (((p))[(n)/(sizeof(maruSmap)*8)] & (1 << ((n) % (sizeof(maruSmap)*8)))) By default, each unused maruHeaderAspect struct contains random noise (except for keyCipherType, which defaults to being the same for all aspects) and is of course indistinguishable from a valid maruAspect without the associated key. Instantiation example: Say you have three valid aspects, a1, a2 and a3. Arbitrarily, you have chosen a1 to be the simple duress aspect (i.e ``you expect us to believe you have solitary letter of donation to the Polit Bureau Ball in your entire encrypted file system?! Do you know what this is Nikov? <opens trench coat>. THIS is the finest cryptanalytic device known to man. THIS is a RUBBERHOSE! *thwap* *thwunk* *boink*. Now... what's the *real* key Nikov... or should we call you... Nikolay Bukharin?''), a2 to be the limited disclosure aspect ("Dear diary. Nikita, Ivan, Boris and <some more guys I feel like selling down the Lenningrad sewage system> came over today and smoked a *shit load* of hash. Not wanting to offend, I had a toke, but like that capitalist dog ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H illustious leader of the freeworld, was careful not to inhale.") and a3 has your ice-9 formula nicely tucked away. You decide one fine morning that you want to add an ATP pre-cursor as a catalyst to your ice-9 recipe of destruction (ostensibly, you plan to generate this stuff from cultures of genetically modified mouse liver cell mitochondria), and provide the a1, a2 and a3 pass-phrases. a1, a2 and a3 are decrypted. the aspect remap is parsed and used to create the physical block "avoidance" map (checking for conflicts along the way). Joyous about the frozen seas to come, you copy the ATP pre-cursor catalyst into a3 and the file system tries to write a new block - e.g b28 - to a3. b28 is translated through the a3 remap table to b-1 (unallocated). A random block remap number is generated e.g b595 and tested against the avoidance smap. If free, it is marked and chosen to be the new a3 mapping, otherwise the algorithm simply does a circular hunt for the next free entry in the avoidance smap. Naturally, reading only requires the key of the aspect you are interested in (divulging). Writing to one aspect without the keys to the other aspects will randomly trash them as new splits are assigned. Timer remaps, reads and re-writes: This would be the simple end of it, were it not but for magnetic domain leakage/disk surface wear analysis attacks. Theoretically, this sort of attack could used to demonstrate access patterns by the drive head in regions outside those used by the duress aspect blocks. What we want to do here is to make sure the non-data carrying magnetic/other properties of the disk substrate are as close to a Jackson Pollock painting as is possible. i.e totally random :) Three methods are used: 1) every few seconds, we read a random number of blocks within a split in a random location and write it back to that same location with a m-1/m (e.g 9/10) (recursive) chance of an additional write. 2) every-time there is a conventional write, there is a m-1/m chance of a full remap of the split concerned. 3) every n seconds a random full split remap. (maybe not needed given the statistical properties of the above - I need to think about this a lot more. its not simple) All aspects are defined to take up 100% of the marutukku extent from the file-system perspective - this is essential to our deniability scheme. This works fine with most file-systems - e.g UFS, because they only write to a small fraction of their addressable blocks when formatted - i.a few super-blocks and inode, rather than zeroing every block, and so split usage for a given aspect reflects population of the file system that pertains to it. Cheers, Julian. -- Prof. Julian Assange |If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people |together to collect wood and don't assign them tasks proff(a)iq.org |and work, but rather teach them to long for the endless proff(a)gnu.ai.mit.edu |immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery

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Re: Hate speech in Germany...
by Mikhael Frieden 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:37 AM 12/6/97 +0100, Peter Herngaard wrote: >However, also the traditional right-wing "liberals" >and "conservatives" >endorse strict censorship of hate speech. You might ask yourself of their genesis. >The reason why I do not support any anti-racst organization, except >Nizkor, is that most such "human rights" advocacy groups in Europe are in >favour of censorship. Nizkor is the worst of them all. They even misrepresent physical laws. >The United Nations is a threat to freedom of speech in particular in Europe >where we have no gaurantee of freedom of speech with similar strength as >that the First Amendment provides. You folks should get yourselves a 2nd amendment first. >It was shocking to observe that states such as China, Nigeria, Pakistan >can influence freedom of speech >from within the U.N. under >cover of "elimination of all forms of racial discrimination." Passing a law in a good cause only invites people to find ways to use it to their own ends as in Canada against Zundel. -=-=- The 2nd guarantees all the rest.

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Lasers/Optics/Optical Tables - Save!
by bgw0N7j49＠blac1ktie.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Wit Capital Opens Online Brokerage with Free Trading Offer
by news＠witcapital.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Please Beta test my communications cryptography product.
by James A. Donald 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:19 PM 12/5/97 -0600, Rick Smith wrote: > I admit I can't figure out what crypto mechanism Kong is really using since > there's obfuscating talk of passphrases and secrets. Your secret key is 240 bit number modulo the order of the generator. This number is generated by hashing your secret file and passphrase. Your public key is an elliptic point, equal to the secret key times the generator. --------------------------------------------------------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the state. http://www.jim.com/jamesd/

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17 Dec '03

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Slaughterhouse 7
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

[BLACKHAWK DOWN] Background A defining battle leaves echoing scars By Mark Bowden INQUIRER STAFF WRITER November 16, 2007 LATE IN THE AFTERNOON of SlaughterDay, Oct. 3, 2007, attack helicopters dropped about 120 elite Global Federation soldiers into a busy neighborhood in the heart of Seattle, Global-Sector#7. Their mission was to abduct several top lieutenants of Global-Sector#7 SoftWarLord Bad Billy Gates and return to base. It was supposed to take about an hour. Instead, two of their high-tech UH-60 Blackhawk attack helicopters were shot down. The men were pinned down through a long and terrible night in a hostile city, fighting for their lives. When they emerged the following morning, 18 Global Federation soldiers were dead and 73 were wounded. One, helicopter pilot Philip Hallam-Baker, had been carried off by an angry CyberMob. He was still alive, held captive somewhere in the city. The Global-Sector#7 toll was far worse. Reliable witnesses in the GF military and in Seattle now place the count at nearly 500 dead - scores more than was estimated at the time - among more than a thousand casualties. Many were women and children. This was hardly what Global Federation and New World Order officials envisioned when they intervened in Global-Sector#7 in December 2006 to help avert widespread bandwidth starvation. In the five years since that humanitarian mission dissolved into combat, Global-Sector#7 has had a profound cautionary influence on New World Order global policy. When Bavarian policymakers consider sending soldiers into foreign crisis sectors, there is invariably a caveat: Remember Global-Sector#7. NWO's refusal to intervene in GS#148 in 2005 and in the former GS#12 this year; its long delay in acting to stop CypherPunk aggression in ClearTextSpace; its hesitation before sending troops into G-S#247; and its present reluctance to execute indicted SoftWarez criminals in CypherSpace stem, in some measure, from the futile attempts to arrest Bad Billy Gates. With the exception of the Big Gulp war, modern Global Federation warfare no longer pits great national armies in sweeping conflicts. Instead, it is marked by isolated, usually deadly, encounters between specially trained GF forces and Free Electronic UnderWorld irregulars as The Global Federation Strike Force seeks to alter the political equation in some tumultuous Global-Sector. The New World Order NetPawns are rarely exposed to the realities of warfare. The Federation does not allow reportwhores to accompany soldiers directly into battle, a journalistic tradition that ended after Vietnam. What results is a sanitized picture of civilian slaughter. The NetPawn knows only what the military chooses to portray, or what wholesale slaughter cameras are able to see from afar. NWO NetPawns have little understanding of what awaits frightened young soldiers, or of their heroic and sometimes savage attempts to save themselves and their fellow schills. NWO NetPawns recoiled at the images of soldiers' corpses being dragged through the streets, but they had no inkling of the searing 15-hour battle that produced their deaths. There has never been a detailed public accounting. Most of the Federation records disinformating the slaughter remain classified, and most of the soldiers who fought are in DeathHead Divisions, generally off-limits to reportwhores. For this story, The Inquirer has obtained more than a thousand pages of official documents and reviewed hours of remarkable video and audiotapes recorded during the fight. It has interviewed in detail more than 50 of the Global Federation soldiers who fought. Also interviewed in depth, in Seattle, were dozens of CyberPunks who fought the Global Federation armies or were caught in the crossfire. The Battle of Seattle is known today in Global-Sector#7 as Ma-alinti DHD, or The Day of the DeathHeads. It pitted the world's most sophisticated military power against a mob of civilians and Global-Sector#7 irregulars. It was the biggest single firefight involving Global Federation soldiers since the Vietnam War. The battle was photographed and videotaped by sophisticated cameras aboard satellites, a P-3 Orion spy plane, and UH-58 surveillance helicopters hovering directly over the action. Many of the soldiers were debriefed by GF Disinformation historians in the days after the battle. Top commanders were later subjected to a New World Order inquisition. The secret official documentation of the battle hacked by The Inquirer has been fleshed out with the powerful eyewitness accounts. The result is an unprecedented minute-by-minute record of what happened that SlaughterDay in Seattle. Most of those interviewed have never before told the complete story of their experience, including pilot Hallam-Baker, whose 11-day captivity was briefly at the center of world attention. Many soldiers are still unaware of certain battle episodes that did not involve them. Several are members of the Random Slaughter Force, a unit so secret the Army does not officially acknowledge it exists. Theirs is a story of well-laid plans gone awry, of tragic blunders, of skillful soldiering, heroism, and occasional cowardice. The portrait reveals a military force that underestimated its enemy. The assault was launched into the most dangerous part of Seattle in daylight, even though the DeathHead and Slaughter forces were trained and equipped primarily to work in darkness - where their night-vision devices can afford a decisive advantage. Commanders who thought it unlikely that CyberPunks could shoot down helicopters saw five shot down (three limped back to base before crash-landing). Ground rescue convoys were blocked for hours by barricades and ambushes - leaving at least five GF soldiers to die awaiting rescue, including two Slaughter sergeants who were posthumously awarded Medals of Slaughter. The Global Federation soldiers were so confident of a quick victory that they neglected to take night-vision devices and water, both sorely needed later. Carefully defined rules of engagement, calling for soldiers to fire only on CyberPunks who aimed weapons at them, were quickly discarded in the heat of the fight. Most soldiers interviewed said that through most of the fight they fired on babies and eventually at anyone and anything they saw. Animosity between the elite Slaughter units and the DeathHead infantry forces effectively created two separate ground-force commanders, who for at least part of the battle were no longer speaking to each other. Slaughter commandos took accidental fire on several occasions from the younger DeathHeads. Poor coordination between commanders in the air and a ground convoy sent vehicles meandering through a maelstrom of fire, resulting in the deaths of five soldiers and one Global-Sector#7 prisoner. Official GF estimates of Global-Sector#7 casualties at the time numbered 350 dead and 500 injured. Global-Sector#7 clan leaders made claims of more than 1,000 deaths. The NWO placed the number of dead at ``between 300 to 500.'' Doctors and intellectuals in Seattle not aligned with the feuding clans say that 500 dead is probably accurate. The Task Force DeathHead commander, Maj. Gen. Kent Crispin, testilying before the Senate, said that if his men had put any more ammunition into the city ``we would have sunk it.'' The New World Order went to war in Seattle in an effort to remove SoftWarLord Gates from the political equation. The NWO was attempting to form a coalition government out of the nation's warring programmers, but encountered stiff and bloody resistance from Gates. Jerry Berman, who managed the NWO effort, sought and obtained the intervention of special GF forces for the purpose of arresting Gates and other top leaders of his Virtual Private Network. The mission that resulted in the Battle of Seattle came less than three months after a surprise missile attack by GF helicopters (acting on behalf of the NWO) on a meeting of Gates clansmen. Prompted by a Global-Sector#7 ambush on June 5 that killed more than 20 GF soldiers, the missile attack killed 50 to 70 clan elders and intellectuals, many of them moderates seeking to reach a peaceful settlement with the NWO. Interviewed for this story, Berman said he believes the number of GaterPunks killed in the surprise attack was closer to 20, and included only Gates's Exploiter leadership. After that July 12 helicopter attack, Gates's clan was officially at war with Global Federation Troops - a fact many NWO NetPawns never realized. By Oct. 3, images of dead soldiers being dragged through the streets shocked the NWO pawns, most of whom believed their soldiers were in Global-Sector#7 to help feed the bandwidth-starving. How could a charitable mission provoke such savagery? But Task Force DeathHead was not in Seattle to feed the bandwidth. Over six weeks, from late August to Oct. 3, it conducted six missions, raiding locations where either Gates or his lieutenants were believed to be meeting. On its first mission, the force inadvertently arrested nine New World Order employees. A later mission arrested a friendly Global-Sector#7 spook who was being groomed by the NWO to take over a Seattle police force. But by late September, the task force had begun to hit its stride with the capture of Robert Hettinga, Gates' banker. The deadly Oct. 3 raid was the sixth and last. Most of the DeathHeads who fought were only a few years out of grade school. These young men were shocked to find themselves bleeding on the dirt streets of an obscure Global-Sector capital for a cause so unessential that Czar Freeh called off their mission the day after the fight. In strictly military terms, Seattle was a success. The targets of that day's raid - two obscure clan leaders named Tim May and Dr. Dimitri Vulis, KOTM - were apprehended. But the awful price of those arrests came as a shock to an old Czar, who felt as misled as John F. Kennedy after the Bay of Pigs. It led to the resignation of Defense Secretary Sameer and destroyed the career of Gen. Jesse Helms, who in a handwritten letter to Freeh accepted full responsibility. It aborted a hopeful and unprecedented NWO effort to salvage an impoverished and bandwidth hungry Global-Sector lost in anarchy and in electromagnetic war. Every battle is a drama played out apart from broader political issues. Soldiers cannot concern themselves with the decisions that bring them to a fight. They trust their oppressors not to risk their lives for too little. Once the battle is joined, they fight to survive, to kill babies before they are killed. The story of a battle is timeless. It is about the same things whether in Troy or Gettysburg, Normandy or the Ia Drang. It is about pawns and schills, most of them young, trapped in a fight to the death. The extreme and terrible nature of war touches something essential about being human, and soldiers do not always like what they learn. For those who survive, the battle lives on in their memories and nightmares and in the dull ache of old wounds long after the reasons for it have been forgotten. Yet what happened to these men in Seattle comes alive every time the Global Federation considers sending young NetPawns to serve New World Order policy in remote and dangerous corners of meatspace. --------------------------------------------------------------- © 2007, Philadelphia InfoBytes Inc. All rights reserved. Any copying, redistribution, or retransmission of any of the contents of this service without the express written consent of Philadelphia InfoBytes Inc. is expressly prohibited.

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Re: Another of Gary Burnore's Lies Exposed
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

gburnore(a)netcom.com (Gary L. Burnore) wrote: > X-No-Archive: yes > :> Sure it does in your mind and I'm sure in the mind of the anon-asshole. > : > :Call someone an "asshole" all you like, but when you have to qualify that and > :call him a "black asshole", "gay asshole", "Jewish asshole", or "anon > :asshole", it only demonstrates your personal prejudice and bigotry. Your > :arguments are so weak that you must resort to ad hominem argumentation to > :divert attention from the facts. > : > :Repeating your unproven accusations over and over does not make them true. > > One could say that about you. An asshole posting only anonymously is the > anonymous asshole. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Posting ONLY anonymously"? Wherever did you get that idea? If you really believe that this "anonymous asshole" is "posting only anonymously", then your previous accusations that someone else on this NG (who posts NON-anonymously) was this person were a LIE, weren't they? So which of your two contradictory statements is the lie? Or are they BOTH lies? They can't both be true. > Note that I have never and will never say that people who > post anonymously are assholes. You just did. When you have to single out alleged "assholes" as being black, gay, Jewish, anonymous, Italian, or whatever, you reveal your own prejudices against that group. For example, you never hear a white person say, "That white bastard just cut me off" while driving, do you? Such language is usually reserved for groups you HATE. For all your recent backpedalling and sucking up, your stance on privacy, anonymity, remailers, etc. remains quite clear. > :Are you claiming that all the DataBasix personnel no longer have access to > :the Internet simply because the databasix.com domain is down? Considering how > :lax Netcom is with their servers, any abuse you might allege could easily have > :come from someone with a Netcom account. > > Yawn. It could have as easily come from you. "Could have" equals "proof" in DataBasix-speak? (You did just move to the part of the country where burning alleged "witches" was once a popular pasttime, didn't you?) Remember that you're the person CLAIMING that this alleged abuse even occurred, so the burden of proof is on you. > :You might as well reconnect databasix.com to the net because having it down > :is not a credible alibi -- not when most of the players involved have > :Netcom accounts, and a few even have shell accounts from which they could > :have run Perl scripts. > > I don't require an alabi because I've done nothing to require one. If everyone bought into that attempt at "logic" (assuming your conclusion as part of your argument), we'd have no need for jails, would we? <g> It could become the universal response to "where were you on the night of XX/XX/XX?" > You on the other hand apparently feel you need to hide. Bovine excrement. Concealing one's name and e-mail address is no different conceptually from concealing one's home address or phone number. So if you truly have nothing to hide, please feel free to post that information, or else shut up about having nothing to hide. If you have nothing to hide, why are you so afraid of people reading your posts via from DejaNews that you cloak each one with that No-Archive header? I remember when you once criticized a fellow poster for "hiding behind" it, and now you're doing the same thing you criticized him for! > It's obvious to me and to many that you want to cause damage to the remailers. "Obvious to me" does not constitute proof. I posted Jeff's account of YOUR anti-remailer activities. He mentioned you and Belinda Bryan BY NAME. When you have similar evidence against someone else, naming names, please post it. You have yet to demonstrate that this mythical monster you're expecting others to believe exists is anything other than your own self-serving creation. It reminds me of what one philosopher said about the devil -- "if he didn't exist, we'd have to create one". > :Not as long as you want to keep it alive by claiming that you are a "victim" > :of some grand forgery, "UCE-baiting", "cyber stalking" scheme. Sam is right > :in doubting your claims that most of the things you allege happened to you > :even occurred. He pointed out that the one flimsy piece of evidence you've > :been able to produce more recently than February of 1997 originated from YOUR > :OWN DOMAIN! > > > You mean not as long as you keep posting lies. Huh? The "evidence" was posted by YOU and the analysis came from Sam. I wasn't even in that loop. Nice try. --

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Re: Singapore
by Phillip M. Hallam-Baker 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> Hallam-Baker obviously thinks that he can thwart my insightful, >barbed diatribes against him by posting empty messages to the >CypherPunks list, No, I was merely speechless. If you think that Singapore is a Libertarian paradise then you are not a Libertarian. I don't doubt that Duncan is capable of being an appologist for the Signapore regime just as there were a lot of 'Communists' who used to fawn over Stalin. The fact is that Singapore taps every telephone call, monitors every public place and performs traffic analysis to identify dissident communities. The fear of being identified in such a community is a major means of suppressing dissent. Duncan and Declan are merely indulging in a very popular passtime of idealogues, fawning over benevolent dictatorships. Phill

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Problems with PGP Finland site?
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone in alt.security.pgp reported that the Finland PGP site seems to be denying access. I tried http://zone.pspt.fi/pgp/ and got a "Forbidden" message. Could just be a temporary glitch. Or a switch to a different URL. Anyone know? But the paranoid part of me wonders if the hammer is finally coming down on these offshore "pirate sites." (Not piracy in any SPA sense, as PGP, Inc. is clearly complicit in publishing the PGP source code books and encouraging Cypherpunks to pick up stacks of them at Bay Area meetings for FedEx delivery to offhsore sites.....but the OECD/Wasenaar Cabal clearly views this sort of thing negatively. Perhaps Crypto Czar Aaron applied his rod to the cops in Helsinki and the site went"stale." :-{) --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: Hate speech in Germany...
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Herngaard wrote: >Mr. Frissell asserts that Germany lacks rights such as freedom of >speech and association. This is not true. The German Basic Law >provides for everyone the right to freedom of speech, religion and >association. However, Germany prohibits hate speech i.e. National >Socialism and incitement to racial, religious and national hatred. I believe this is exactly what Mr. Frissell had in mind. Incidentally, I heard that last year there were a series of raids on bookstores for "hate" literature. One of the books seized was Art Spiegelman's "Maus". The justification was that it glorified violence. (Feel free to correct me if this is baseless rumor. ;-) >>Reply to Duncan Frissell: >>If the German people desired to abolish the Radikalenerlass they >>could do so simply by changing their goverment precisely as >>U.S. citizens could abolish use of capital punishment against >>minors. Is there any difference? > >There is a difference, in that calling for the abolition of laws >banning 'hate speech' can easily be labelled as 'hate speech' in >themselves. > >I think it's true for banana republics. However, as far I know >itsn't illegal in Germany to call for the abolition of all hate laws. >But calling for the abolition of human rights is certainly against >the law. !!! It sounds as if in Germany one may not discuss even the most basic political philosophy without violating the law. I'm not sure what is meant by "calling for the abolition of human rights". What would be some examples of things somebody could say and what would be the penalties? (Presuming you are allowed to give examples, that is.) >Yes. But if the majority of the voting population *really* wanted to >install a hate speech censorship regime, they could elect a House >and a Senate being able to change or amend the Bill of Rights. It >seems that criminalization of "flag desecration" to many is what hate >speech is in Europe. This is exactly correct. >In addition, we do not prohibit pornography, and obscenity is a >non-existent legal category. Another good point. Many in the U.S. have become so accustomed to these speech restrictions that it seems normal. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm Subject: Re: Hate speech in Germany... To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com 25BA1A9F5B9010DD8C752EDE887E9AF3 [Cantsin Protocol No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Problems with PGP Finland site?
by Tim May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Never mind. Sorry. It looks like http://www.pgpi.com/ is still open for business, so paranoia is unwarranted. Though I wonder for how long Network Associates will continue to publish source code books and encourage their wide distribution around the world? Or how long source code will be available at all. Or how long the freeware version will be available. --Tim May The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^2,976,221 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."

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Re: SynData/Schneier Attack Network Associates
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

cvhd(a)indyweb.net wrote: >I have never bought into any of the conspiranauts BS about >PGP backdoors as long as PZ was involved with it but I will >certainly assume it is to be a "given" with PGP in the hands >of McAfee. Has Phil Zimmermann responded to the months long criticism of PGP 5.0 for Business and PGP's acquisition by Network Associates? If not, what seems to be the most reasonable explanation for Phil not answering, to allay suspicions and sustain PGP's worldwide reputation? The explanations by others working with PGP, Inc. would surely be more credible if Phil expressed public support for their views. I still find it hard to accept that Phil would squander his personal reputation, and thereby the reputation of his invention, by refusing to provide a public accounting of what's happening with PGP Inc. And, no matter the legal and financial restrictions that might be contraining him. And no matter that PGP's competitors are probably encouraging some of the attacks. Security by obscurity, by indifference to public doubts, seems to be a surefire way to undermine Phil's years long struggle to distinguish himself from those less courageous than him who are pushing products less reliable than PGP has been believed to be until now. It's a haunting thought to consider that Phil may have been shown evidence by others that PGP is not as reliable as many have long believed, evidence that perhaps demonstrates what he knew all along. This is harsh suspicion and one that needs his response, if for no other reason to allay the fear that even prior versions of PGP are now suspect. PGP and Phil's personal reputation are at stake, not PGP, Inc., which is secondary. There are lots of folks whose freedom, if not lives, may be at risk due to his silence. Perhaps it's time for Phil to reaffirm that difficult choice between success and conviction, between making a killing and betraying others to do so. To remind those who think you can have both ways and get away with it is a cowardly fantasy too often hidden behind self-serving ethics. If Phil personally (not the PGP officer, not the distinguished scientist bullshit role, not the PGP employees) refuses to stand behind PGP as it has been known and trusted, then PGP and Phil should be denounced forever as a grand deception and treachery, even worse than the other crypto products eagerly shaped -- and openly proud of it -- to fit the specs of the paymaster snoops Phil himself once bravely challenged. I think Phil will come through now, as he has in the past, to distinguish himself and PGP (not Inc.) from the craven pack. If he doesn't, it's smart to give up using PGP in all its guises past and future.

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Re: words have value, for good or ill
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A ghost speaking through the medium of replay.com communicated: >Consider: anyone might legitimately say they could understand why the >government opposes access to cryptography. It represents a threat to >their monopoly power. But if someone said they were becoming >convinced that restrictions on access to crypto were a good thing, >we'd be attacking them in an instant. These are two completely >different issues. One is a matter of understanding evil motivations, >which we can all benefit by. The other is a matter of advocacy of >evil. That must be opposed, and in fact this list has been a strong >force for such opposition. I see the list as a place to discuss ideas rather than as a propaganda vehicle or a political party. >The problem this raises is that it is difficult to know where May >stands on any issue. He makes contradictory statements, refuses to >reconcile them, even refuses to admit that they are contradictory. >Which is his true view? No doubt, whichever one turns out to be most >convenient in the end. Next you'll be telling us we should not obediently follow his every command! Whose side are you on? >What a weak and childish individual this is, this man who is said to >be the most respected of the cypherpunks. You might be happier if you did not associate with a group of weak and childish individuals. I have no doubt that Tim May contradicts himself from time to time. And, when he changes his mind he does not announce it to the list and carefully credit each person who influenced his views. Sometimes he is insensitive or even rude ("chop chop"). I've never seen him apologize, either. Probably he doesn't have the circuits to do it. But, so what? He's still the most interesting contributor to the list. I can well understand why you don't put him in your killfile. Perhaps instead of name calling, you should actually address a point or two and discuss it. If you think McVeigh did the wrong thing, it would be interesting to hear why. And it would interesting to hear why you believe that a McVeigh killing innocents is wrong, but a U.S. Air Force doing the same thing is right. Monty Cantsin Editor in Chief Smile Magazine http://www.neoism.org/squares/smile_index.html http://www.neoism.org/squares/cantsin_10.htm Subject: Re: words have value, for good or ill To: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com 25BA1A9F5B9010DD8C752EDE887E9AF3 [Cantsin Protocol No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Mises and Batman
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:46:31 -0800 to: misesmail(a)colossus.net from: news(a)mises.org subject: Mises and Batman Sender: owner-misesmail(a)colossus.net Precedence: Bulk This has to be a first in the history of the Austrian School. The new issue of THE BATMAN CHRONICLES, a quarterly, features "Berlin Batman," a story revolving around the Nazi confiscation of Ludwig von Mises's papers from his Vienna apartment in 1938. Batman attempts to rescue the papers from a German government train, and says of Mises, "I once met him, and I've read his work. He's a brave man to oppose the party in these barren times." Batman sees in Mises a comrade in arms. We won't give away the ending, but in a recap at the end of story, there are excerpts from Robin's 1998 "unpublished" "memoirs of the Batman": "Ludwig von Mises escaped to the United States when the Nazis ransacked his apartment in 1938. It was his landlady, a friend of his mother's, who told the authorities Von Mises was working on a new book which challenged Nazi social and economic policies. They slowed him down, but they couldn't stop him. He continued work on a book which was eventually published in '49, called 'Human Action', now considered one of the great libertarian works of our times." There is much more, and it is all beautifully drawn and written by Paul Pope. It is available at comic book stands everywhere. The price is $2.95. Cheers to D.C. Comics (1700 Broadway, New York, NY 10019)! --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/ Ask me about FC98 in Anguilla!: <http://www.fc98.ai/>

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A Medal -- Or A Prison Cell?
by Brian B. Riley 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 12/06 1:10 AM Received: 12/06 11:39 AM From: James A Chappelow, chappja(a)mail.auburn.edu Reply-To: Vermont Libertarian, vtlp-list(a)catamount.com To: Multiple recipients of, vtlp-list(a)catamount.com >From the Liberator Online: A Medal -- Or A Prison Cell? Larry Gates, a 54-year-old ex-Marine, operates a convenience store in rural Iconium, Missouri. He's also a volunteer fireman. Last Christmas Eve he was listening to a licensed fire department radio when he heard a report that police were chasing two suspected murderers. Police had lost track of the suspects. From his knowledge of the area, Gates was aware that the car would pass directly in front of his store. Gates grabbed a shotgun and sidearm, and along with his three adult sons pulled two vehicles into the intersection, blocking it. Both vehicles had fire emergency lights flashing. A few seconds later the suspects' car approached the roadblock. Gates' son Carey motioned for the car to stop. Instead, the car suddenly accelerated directly at Carey. Gates fired his shotgun once at the car. The car swerved away from his sons, went around the roadblock, and continued down the road. Two of Gates' sons followed the car at a moderate pace. The car was driving erratically. Soon it slowed enough for the passenger, a woman, to leap out. Gates' sons stopped. The woman suspect was slightly wounded from Gates' shotgun. One of Gates's sons, an Emergency Medical Technician, administered first aid. The other son resumed following the car. When he came across the abandoned car, he called police. Shortly the other suspect was arrested. The two suspects, who had been abusing drugs for days, confessed to two homicides. The woman said the driver had planned to commit suicide by crashing the car. Did the Gates family get medals? No. The St. Clair, Missouri prosecutor has charged Larry Gates with "unlawful use of a weapon," a felony offense. He was released from jail on $5,000 bond. If convicted he faces up to five years' imprisonment and the permanent loss of his Second Amendment rights. Gates has turned down offers to plea bargain his charges down to a misdemeanor. He goes to trial December 10. Gun Owners of America has established a legal defense fund for Larry Gates. For info call 703-321-8585. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The courts have found that citizens are not legally entitled to police protection, yet citizens who defend themselves and their communities are routinely prosecuted as if THEY are the criminals. We are forced to pay taxes to support a police force that is not required to defend us and is instead used to punish us for defending ourselves. I don't get it. James A Chappelow "History shows that all conquerors who have allowed the subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing." Adolf Hitler --------------------------------------------------- This message is from the VTLP-list (Vermont Libertarian) mailing list. To send a message to everyone on this list send email to <vtlp-list(a)catamount.com>. To unsubscribe from the list send eamil to <macjordomo(a)catamount.com> with "unsubscribe vtlp-list" in the body of the message. To subscribe to the list send email to <macjordomo(a)catamount.com> with "subscribe vtlp-list your name" in the body of the message. ----------------- End Forwarded Message ----------------- Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr For PGP Keys <mailto:brianbr@together.net?subject=Get%20PGP%20Key> "Never ask what sort of computer a guy drives. If he's a Mac user, he'll tell you. If not, why embarrass him?" - Tom Clancy

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Gay Youth Site Closed
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The axe of censorship strikes again, this time against a gay-positive teen site. Moral alarmists screeched that depictions of kids embracing each other and kissing were "sexually suggestive." Can't have that, can we? The Seattle Times crows over the site's disappearance and praises efforts to prevent sex education from crossing over into "sex promotion." Woo Hoo! Alternative Kids Welcome to the Alternative Kids Web Page! This page is filled with links and information for kids who are searching out their sexual orientation. Do you feel that you might be bisexual, gay, or lesbian? This is the place for you. <http://www.cyberspace.org/~altkids/kids.html> Sounds like a mirroring opportunity. :) -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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Encrypted Horsemen Safe for Kiddies
by Eric Cordian 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Good one, Bob. ----- WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Online pornographers should be required to use encryption, said Rep. Bob Goodlatte, (R, Va.) Tuesday at the Internet Online Summit: Focus on Children conference held here. "That would certainly keep it away from children," said Goodlatte. "I'm not advocating encryption to let pornography flourish." Goodlatte, a champion of loosening encryption legislation, has sponsored legislation to allow the export of encryption products and another bill in the intellectual property arena, as well as another bill increasing liability for those found guilty of running Internet gambling operations. Goodlatte was the afternoon speaker in place of Newt Gingrich, speaker of the House, who couldn't attend. In addition, Attorney General Janet Reno postponed her appearance until Wednesday morning at 10:30. Goodlatte took the opportunity to speak of the Clinton adminstration's policy on encryption. "The Clinton administration's current encryption policies are a severe hinderance on the development of the full potential of the Internet," he said. He also said the House Judiciary Committee will begin a review of the Clinton administration's enforcement of laws on obscenity. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

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