December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

wired news: Germany Gets Radikal About Extremists on Web
by tank 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

T O P S T O R I E S Germany Gets Radikal About Extremists on Web Tuesday - Are the German government's tactics for barring extremist material on the Internet realistic? Germany Gets Radikal About Extremists on Web by Rebecca Vesely 5:03 pm PST 21 Jan 97 - The German government, never shy about expressing its disdain for left- and right-wing radicals inside its borders, has taken to combing the Internet for signs of extremist activity. But Germany's effort to stop the distribution of terrorist manuals and Nazi propaganda is like pointing a fire hose at a beehive - instead of quashing the bees, it only scatters them, and makes them more insistent. Last week, German authorities filed charges against a member of the communist Party of Democratic Socialism (PDS), Angela Marquardt, for linking to the banned left-wing magazine Radikal from her homepage, causing Net activists to anticipate another incident like that last September, when several German ISPs temporarily blocked Radikal's server, XS4All. In response, the magazine was mirrored on more than 50 Web sites around the world. "The decision to prosecute for linking to Radikal will probably bring yet another escalation of events, where this censored magazine will become all the more popular on the Net," said Felipe Rodriquez, managing director of XS4All, which is based in the Netherlands. "Censoring the Internet is usually very counterproductive, and an insurance that many people will mirror the information and start distributing it." XS4All, which describes itself as "networking for the masses," hosts some 4,600 homepages, and was recently in the news for posting several homepages for media banned in Serbia, such as Radio B92, that continue to offer via the Web live RealAudio feeds and frequent updates on the continued nationwide protests against the Serbian government. Banned in Germany 12 years ago, and published underground for the past decade, Radikal advocates the overthrow of the German government. German officials say the magazine's publishers provide terrorist information in their pages, including how to sabotage train lines. But the publishers argue that they have the right to publish material contrary to the German government. "We fundamentally reject the notion that the state has a monopoly on the legitimate use of force," the publishers wrote in an article titled "Who We Are" in 1995. "The existing social conditions can only be changed if left-radical groups and associations build up their abilities and structures so as to be able to counter some of these effects even today. This, of course, includes militant and armed intervention, but these would be empty gestures if there wasn't also some sort of linkage or means of conveying their message." While publishers continue to produce the magazine in print form outside of Germany, sympathizers have been posting it to a homepage on XS4All. "As an act of solidarity with them and with Radikal we decided to put it on the Internet and, of course, to frustrate this censorship attempt of the German authorities," the sympathizers wrote in an email to Wired News. They added that while they had no contact with the publishers of Radikal, they are currently being investigated by Germany's public prosecutor general and have no plans to "go on holiday in Germany." Although Radikal is not banned in the Netherlands, the German government says that linking to the magazine from inside Germany is "aiding a felony," spokesman Ruediger Reiff told Reuters. In December, Chancellor Helmut Kohl's Cabinet approved a bill banning the electronic distribution of forms of hate speech, terrorism, and indecent material. The new German law places responsibility on the loosely defined "suppliers," and in response, CompuServe considered moving its administrative operations to a neighboring country. PDS member Marquardt says her prosecution has less to do with Radikal, than an attempt to quiet German citizens who, like herself, are outspoken critics of the government. "This is hardly about bomb-building instructions or highly detailed descriptions of train lines and their weaknesses," Marquardt, who could not be reached for comment, wrote in a statement posted on her Web site. "The all-too-stubborn guardians of the state will quickly learn: The Net interprets censorship as a malfunction and circumvents it." In the meantime, XS4All has not received any official communication from the German Justice Department, nor from the Dutch Justice Department. "Our policy is that as a provider we are not in the position to judge whether this magazine is illegal in the Netherlands, therefore we do not interfere with the liberty of speech of our user," XS4All's Rodriquez said. Copyright =A9 1993-97 Wired Ventures, Inc. and affiliated companies=

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Re: FBI Gets 500 Mil to Tap Your Communications
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"rwright(a)adnetsol.com" "Ross Wright" 22-JAN-1997 02:52:34.76 >at [8]. Unlike the earlier draft, this essay lays out its assumptions >and straightforwardly projects needed capacity growth. The result is >a capacity figure of fewer than 60,000 intercepts, less that 4% of >the original request. This level of capability would allow the FBI >simultaneously to monitor more than 500 phone lines in an area with >the population of Manhatta still an enormous increase on historical >numbers of intercepts. [...] >[8] <http://www.cdt.org/publications/pp_3.01.html> Something that the CDT didn't point out was that basing wiretap "requirements" on past growth makes two assumptions, both of them invalid: A. Past wiretaps (& other probes, such as pen registers & tap-and-trace) were all entirely justified; the growth in their use does not reflect either use of them in situations they are not required for or use of them in situations in which government has essentially failed and more resources poured into the alleged "problems" (e.g., drug trafficing, money laundering, and pornography) will do less than no good whatsoever. B. The number of lines will go up at the same rate as the estimated growth in wiretaps. In regards to this latter one, if they go up at a greater rate, then the FBI will request expanded capacity; if they go up at a lower rate, they will assuredly not request a decrease, and will thus ultimately have the capablility to wiretap _all_ lines. >Fuck the FBI. With a backhoe. -Allen

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Aussie Ecash at Advance Bank
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Ian Grigg <iang(a)systemics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:42:59 +0100 From: Ian Grigg <iang(a)systemics.com> To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Aussie Ecash at Advance Bank <snipped Received headers> From: Edward Breese x1364 <edwardb(a)executive.advance.com.au> To: ecash-merchant <ecash-merchant(a)advance.com.au> Subject: ecash - latest news Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 17:44:00 EST Message-Id: <32E47395(a)central.advance.com.au> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: ecash-merchant-request(a)whitetail.advance.com.au Resent-Message-Id: <B0000000184(a)whitetail.advance.com.au> Resent-From: ecash-merchant(a)whitetail.advance.com.au X-Unsub: To leave, send text 'LEAVE' to <ecash-merchant-request(a)whitetail.advance.com.au> Dear ecash enthusiast, A short note to let you know that the ecash System Integrators kit was posted on the Internet last week. You can find it at: www.advance.com.au/advance/ecash/sysint.htm We are currently testing the ecash system internally here at Advance Bank. We hope to make the merchant software available for free download in the next 2-3 weeks - you will then be able to start building and testing your ecash enabled web sites. There will also be supporting documentation, such as: - the ecash merchant information kit - how to build an ecash shop - ecash usage guidelines etc Thank you again for your interest. We'll let you know as soon as the software is available for download. Advance Bank Subscription Information ======================== To subscribe to the ecash mailing list by e-mail: Send an email message to ecash-merchant-request(a)advance.com.au and in the BODY of the message type: SUBSCRIBE If you'd like to remove yourself from the ecash mailing list: Send an email message to ecash-merchant-request(a)advance.com.au and in the body of the message type: UNSUBSCRIBE --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://offshore.com.ai/fc97/ "If *you* don't go to FC97, *I* don't go to FC97"

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Re: FBI Gets 500 Mil to Tap Your Communications
by E. Allen Smith 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: IN%"rwright(a)adnetsol.com" "Ross Wright" 22-JAN-1997 02:52:34.76 >at [8]. Unlike the earlier draft, this essay lays out its assumptions >and straightforwardly projects needed capacity growth. The result is >a capacity figure of fewer than 60,000 intercepts, less that 4% of >the original request. This level of capability would allow the FBI >simultaneously to monitor more than 500 phone lines in an area with >the population of Manhatta still an enormous increase on historical >numbers of intercepts. [...] >[8] <http://www.cdt.org/publications/pp_3.01.html> Something that the CDT didn't point out was that basing wiretap "requirements" on past growth makes two assumptions, both of them invalid: A. Past wiretaps (& other probes, such as pen registers & tap-and-trace) were all entirely justified; the growth in their use does not reflect either use of them in situations they are not required for or use of them in situations in which government has essentially failed and more resources poured into the alleged "problems" (e.g., drug trafficing, money laundering, and pornography) will do less than no good whatsoever. B. The number of lines will go up at the same rate as the estimated growth in wiretaps. In regards to this latter one, if they go up at a greater rate, then the FBI will request expanded capacity; if they go up at a lower rate, they will assuredly not request a decrease, and will thus ultimately have the capablility to wiretap _all_ lines. >Fuck the FBI. With a backhoe. -Allen

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Aussie Ecash at Advance Bank
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Sender: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com Reply-To: Ian Grigg <iang(a)systemics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Precedence: Bulk Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 16:42:59 +0100 From: Ian Grigg <iang(a)systemics.com> To: Multiple recipients of <e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com> Subject: Aussie Ecash at Advance Bank <snipped Received headers> From: Edward Breese x1364 <edwardb(a)executive.advance.com.au> To: ecash-merchant <ecash-merchant(a)advance.com.au> Subject: ecash - latest news Date: Tue, 21 Jan 97 17:44:00 EST Message-Id: <32E47395(a)central.advance.com.au> Encoding: 41 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Sender: ecash-merchant-request(a)whitetail.advance.com.au Resent-Message-Id: <B0000000184(a)whitetail.advance.com.au> Resent-From: ecash-merchant(a)whitetail.advance.com.au X-Unsub: To leave, send text 'LEAVE' to <ecash-merchant-request(a)whitetail.advance.com.au> Dear ecash enthusiast, A short note to let you know that the ecash System Integrators kit was posted on the Internet last week. You can find it at: www.advance.com.au/advance/ecash/sysint.htm We are currently testing the ecash system internally here at Advance Bank. We hope to make the merchant software available for free download in the next 2-3 weeks - you will then be able to start building and testing your ecash enabled web sites. There will also be supporting documentation, such as: - the ecash merchant information kit - how to build an ecash shop - ecash usage guidelines etc Thank you again for your interest. We'll let you know as soon as the software is available for download. Advance Bank Subscription Information ======================== To subscribe to the ecash mailing list by e-mail: Send an email message to ecash-merchant-request(a)advance.com.au and in the BODY of the message type: SUBSCRIBE If you'd like to remove yourself from the ecash mailing list: Send an email message to ecash-merchant-request(a)advance.com.au and in the body of the message type: UNSUBSCRIBE --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "The cost of anything is the foregone alternative" -- Walter Johnson The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://offshore.com.ai/fc97/ "If *you* don't go to FC97, *I* don't go to FC97"

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RE: David Kahn advocates GAK
by James A. Tunnicliffe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Rothenburg 'Walking-Owl' <WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.com> writes: > In today's (22 Jan 97) Long Island, NY Newsday Viewpoints, p. A31: > "Let Feds Overheard Cellular-Phone Talk" > by David Kahn (an editor at Newsday and author of "The Codebreakers") > He intones the usual horseman: "...such criminals as terrorists, drug- > runners, kidnappers and child-pornographers are increasingly using > encryption to conceal their plans and activities, the FBI says." Lions and tigers and bears, oh MY! > He also mis-states opponenents of GAK positions, claimingthe > criticism is that "key escrow [at least he doesn't call it key > recovery] won't work all the time", ignoring anti-GAK mentions of > COINTELPRO, J.Edgar Stalin^H^H^H^H^H^HHoover, etc. etc. Actually, I thought he summed up the anti-GAK positions reasonably well, though he didn't elaborate on them. The "it may not work all the time" statement was actually an admission of the pro-GAK side. > And the usual nonsense about "every day that criminal messages can be > heard is a gain" w/out noting that anyone smart enough to use crypto > now will not use it if GAK is fully implemented. I found the logic questionable, but more disturbing was the fundamental position that "loss of privacy [...] is a price that must be paid to gain security". Benjamin Franklin's statement about security and freedom comes strongly to mind when I hear nonsense like this. He then cites the (in "our" view, useless and intrusive) hassles that airline passengers must endure in the name of "security" as justification for more of the same! Talk about a slippery slope! > Newsday is part of the LA Times Syndicate, so member papers may also > have the same viewpoint appearing in their pages within the next > couple of days. > Their website is http://www.newsday.com ... I don't know if the > viewpoint is on-line there. It is, at http://www.newsday.com/mainnews/rnmi0522.htm Pretty disappointing stuff, but then Mr. Kahn IS affiliated with the NSA these days, isn't he? Tunny ====================================================================== James A. Tunnicliffe | WWWeb: http://www.inference.com/~tunny Inference Corporation | PGP Fingerprint: CA 23 E2 F3 AC 2D 0C 77 tunny(a)Inference.com | 36 07 D9 33 3D 32 53 9C ====================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Comment: which I won in the PGP raffle at Cypherpunks 12/96... iQEVAgUBMuZ1UvAmQsmyRPddAQFO/gf+Ikw8GScPo/+lr00lKvTnF7dZdEYhE8GC bt7wu96a/4mE81261EwxqA8voI/y5T3RsUfZLeYsGX+wkuPyqK1QImO3A7O8PNnb AvFitSaNsrMqyKTa7mI63TrvoBDCqtN3vYdDeSl6ZPHJmhHO5MF6xVoA56yeF5xf h0ooejTgeYMOGMhf2faRCKU31AdFB+pjozxMo83X2ZrCzga8wiHeqlEEKWQnu1cJ 3jc+TVZnEI95idbQqeHvxh/BBRdprrPxBfncCb8wnXuLHxPmrsWGqfvMDpS06qhl ZWEFChYLDGwsMokvcY+ZOZ6x4jlwssFGDXpflcdjFnPBp3yJKjU7fA== =/siB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: David Kahn advocates GAK
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- It might also be that David's year long sabatical at NSA's crypto museum which recently ended put him in touch with people who believe in GAK. I found it interesting that he noted the argument that each additional day of government access is a good thing. This is the kind of belief we know that NSA holds -- a.k.a. "not on my watch" -- but I haven't seen it publicly admitted before. - Carl -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMuZ35lQXJENzYr45AQEcfwQAqMftG0DXn1nr6faA6IHeAtqSXYanwnZb DiwqppU4nJqPtIvtFw8eOVVwyYCzIv046dFtwR2mk8HeL1v8I3R2sWm7waknFjlm TM84+vLamlVnBNPUAXRYOrFiEhPQm/iitR4GVrcga9mHJ+vrI38XQGzi0lxdg310 pWjq5Fxahag= =xhF7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)acm.org http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | | PGP 2.6.2: 61 E2 DE 7F CB 9D 79 84 E9 C8 04 8B A6 32 21 A2 | +-Officer, officer, arrest that man. He's whistling a dirty song.--+

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Re: Dr. Vulis' social engineering experiment
by snow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sprach The Thorn: > Jane Jefferson wrote: > Jane is showing signs of independent thought. Tsk tsk. > > fail, countries would instantly be absorbed by other countries, many > > relationships based on love and trust would be destroyed. > > And during that time, the deadliest person alive - the toughest and > > the meanest, and the most effective in the face of all the chaos, would > > not be the person who was capable of preserving their privacy. Rather, > > it would be the one who was capable of surviving in it's complete absence. > BTW, the suicide rate would not go ballistic, since the suicide rate No, but I bet the murder rate would.

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Re: Thoughts re moderation, filtering, and name changes
by hjk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Dale Thorn wrote: > hjk wrote: .... > > I wonder who is so brainless, not to understand what's going on. > > Do you really think the subscribers are pure Idiots? > > Well, Heinz. You live in a country full of people, ordinary people, > variously called the hoi polloi, the sheeple, the unwashed masses, > and other interesting names. > ... > Now whatever you think of your fellow citizens, or even those of the > USA (to name an example), I'm sure is OK on whatever basis you apply > your judgement. But I guarantee you that the people on the cypherpunks > list are no more or less intelligent than the people who vegetate in > front of their TV sets every day, right there where you live, in all > probability. If you believe that your fellow citizens vote intelligently, > then I respond that cypherpunks vote intelligently. What do you think? > Well, I thought cypherpunks claim to be elite. Heinz-Juergen Keller hjk(a)ddorf.rhein-ruhr.de

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor.
by Jeremiah A Blatz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Phillip M. Hallam-Baker" <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> writes: > Mission: > > Singapore and China are blocking certain net groups. I think > this is a bad thing, question is how can we stop it? The Web > was conceived as offering despots and dictators a choice > between remaining in the dark ages and allowing freedom of > speech. Blocking and filtering schemes threaten this ideal. > > > Requirements: > > A scheme which makes blocking of individual IP addresses > impractical. <snip> > Considerations: > [i.e. areas needing brainstorming] > > 1) Copyright. Clearly copyright holders such as CNN etc would > need to be involved. Although proxies have long been a part of > the Web and the scheme does not threaten their interests it would > be as well to get them on board at an early stage. I believe that the new copyright regs explicitly allow web surfing. Copyright should not be an issue, I think. IANAL. > 2) How can one prevent the proxies themselves being blocked? Some > ideas that come to mind: > > 2a) Only issue new sites gradually so that blocking requires > continuous updates. > > 2b) Use DHCP to change network addresses regularly. > > 2c) Some crypto hack I can't quite work out (hence the post to > cypher punks). I can phrase the challenge more compactly though. > We have two sets of opposed groups A and M. The A group wish to > establish a continued conversation with groups B and C. M is > willing to permit communication with group B but not C. Whenever > M discovers that a member of group B is willing to act on behalf > of group C, M transfers that member to the C group. > > The problem is to keep A's channels of communication open despite > the efforts of M for very large group sizes. > > I'm not sure if this is a pure crypto challenge or a game theory > problem. Secure connections from proxy to client would eliminate driftnet scanning. That's probably about all the crypto. One idea would to put /cgi-bin/redirect in all the distributions of apache, apache-SSL, etc. That way, anyone who cared at all about privacy or was clueless would have an anonymizer on their web server. People who really cared could run web spiders that looked for sites with the redirect, and have cgi-bins that returned a randomized list of 10 or so. They could periodically post the list to semi-relavent newsgroups. The idea here is to reduce the chance of a denial of service attack against the anonymizer pool. The points of attack that I can think of are: 1) Filter out out anonymized connections. Crypto helps solves this one. Of course, then the evil empire filters out crypto, but that's bad for business. 2) Make the list of anonymizers dissappear This is a bit easier for the bad guys. Stego could help solve the problem, especially if combined with crypto. (i.e stego the list, encrypted with a few key underground folks public keys, into a pic of the great wall of china or something. 3) Make it illegal to use anonymizers and enforec randomly. FUD. I dunno how to solve this one. Put anphetamines in the water supply? > Comments? If people are willing to work on this I can provide > some facilities and act as a media contact. Distribution wins. (BTW, look at www.anonymizer.com) Jer "standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQB1AwUBMuZwuMkz/YzIV3P5AQEb5gL/aOgddVJ91jtZUPrDcsnqdhOFpKLx1IAH UMZi+HkdB+ZUsRhLxCSy0enpqxikwyFVOMINSr3uLRtYSIcuPK2JFdSACI79yISk 7oZWxwTO5TDMYtbBRAAZv/d9VyCT/EVE =OIEP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Manila says ID system not prelude to martial law (fwd)
by David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reuters sez: Message-ID: <Rphilippines-cardUR8Au_7JF(a)clari.net> MANILA, Jan 15 (Reuter) - Philippine President Fidel Ramos on Wednesday dismissed as baseless fears that his order creating a national identification system was a prelude to martial law. ``That is a wild opinion without any basis in fact,'' Ramos told his weekly news conference after Cardinal Jaime Sin, the outspoken Archbishop of Manila, accused him of being authoritarian. {We're talking, therefore it's no threat..} {Sin said it's immoral} {Opposition said could be used to monitor political activities, that it was reminiscent of Marcos.} Officials have said a computerised ID system whereby cards issued to citizens by state pension funds would carry reference numbers assigned to them for life would make it easier for people to transact business with the government and minimise fraud. ``That's all there is to it ... (its) very simple,'' Ramos said. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Decision in Karn Case
by Dave Banisar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We just received this today. This is in part good news that the appeals court did not just affirm the lower court decision but on the other hand, it doesn't give much guidance to the court. A html version is up at: http://www.epic.org/crypto/export_controls/karn_decision_1_97.html Dave ----------------------------------------------------------- UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT No. 96-5121 Philip R. Karn, Jr. v. U.S. Department of State On Appeal from the United States District Court for the District of Columbia Before: Williams, Ginsburg, and Rogers, Circuit Judges January 21, 1997 JUDGMENT In light of the recent Executive Order transferring regulatory authority of non-military cryptographic computer source code to the Commerce Department, and the Commerce Department's promulgation of a new regulation under the authority of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, 50 U.S.C. secs. 1701 et seq., we remand this case to the district court to consider the reviewability of and, if appropriate, the merits of appellant's claim under the Administrative Procedure Act. Because "basic tenets of judicial restraint and separation of powers call upon [the court] first to consider alternative grounds for resolution" when the court is asked to answer a question involving the Constitution of the United States, Lamprecht v. FCC, 958 F.2d 382, 389-90 (D.C. Cir. 1992), we do not reach the constitutional issues raised by this appeal. The clerk is directed to withhold issuance of the mandate herein until seven days after disposition of any timely petition for rehearing. See D.C. Cir. Rule 41(a)(2). This instruction to the Clerk is without prejudice to the right of any party at any time to move for expedited issuance of the mandate for a good cause shown. Per Curiam FOR THE COURT: /s/ Mark J. Langer, Clerk ========================================================================= David Banisar (Banisar(a)epic.org) * 202-544-9240 (tel) Electronic Privacy Information Center * 202-547-5482 (fax) 666 Pennsylvania Ave, SE, Suite 301 * HTTP://www.epic.org Washington, DC 20003 PGP Key: http://www.epic.org/staff/banisar/key.html =========================================================================

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Manila says ID system not prelude to martial law (fwd)
by David Lesher / hated by RBOC's in 5 states 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Reuters sez: Message-ID: <Rphilippines-cardUR8Au_7JF(a)clari.net> MANILA, Jan 15 (Reuter) - Philippine President Fidel Ramos on Wednesday dismissed as baseless fears that his order creating a national identification system was a prelude to martial law. ``That is a wild opinion without any basis in fact,'' Ramos told his weekly news conference after Cardinal Jaime Sin, the outspoken Archbishop of Manila, accused him of being authoritarian. {We're talking, therefore it's no threat..} {Sin said it's immoral} {Opposition said could be used to monitor political activities, that it was reminiscent of Marcos.} Officials have said a computerised ID system whereby cards issued to citizens by state pension funds would carry reference numbers assigned to them for life would make it easier for people to transact business with the government and minimise fraud. ``That's all there is to it ... (its) very simple,'' Ramos said. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz(a)nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433

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Re: Newt's phone calls
by snow 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Mr. Hallam-baker said: > Adam Back <aba(a)dcs.ex.ac.uk> wrote in article <5bp18k$1cc(a)life.ai.mit.edu>... > > > GSM encrypts only the links to the station - the traffic goes in the > > clear through the station. Plus A5 (crypto algorithm used in GSM) is > > weak, 40 bits of effective key space. > > > > It could be worse to have poor crypto, than no crypto, > > I disagree for two reasons, first there is a big difference between having > poor locks and no locks. Most locks can be picked by an expert, they are > effective against many theifs however. > > Second if everyone in the world was using 40 bit email encryption it > would prevent most of the "promiscuous" interception of communications. Third (as Mr. Vulis <insult deleted> observed) the jump from using poor crypto to using good crypto is a lot shorter than not using crypto to using good crypto. Once people get it in there heads that crypto is good to use, then it is easier to convince them to use "unbreakable" crypto than to convince non-crypto-users.

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RE: David Kahn advocates GAK
by James A. Tunnicliffe 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Robert Rothenburg 'Walking-Owl' <WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.com> writes: > In today's (22 Jan 97) Long Island, NY Newsday Viewpoints, p. A31: > "Let Feds Overheard Cellular-Phone Talk" > by David Kahn (an editor at Newsday and author of "The Codebreakers") > He intones the usual horseman: "...such criminals as terrorists, drug- > runners, kidnappers and child-pornographers are increasingly using > encryption to conceal their plans and activities, the FBI says." Lions and tigers and bears, oh MY! > He also mis-states opponenents of GAK positions, claimingthe > criticism is that "key escrow [at least he doesn't call it key > recovery] won't work all the time", ignoring anti-GAK mentions of > COINTELPRO, J.Edgar Stalin^H^H^H^H^H^HHoover, etc. etc. Actually, I thought he summed up the anti-GAK positions reasonably well, though he didn't elaborate on them. The "it may not work all the time" statement was actually an admission of the pro-GAK side. > And the usual nonsense about "every day that criminal messages can be > heard is a gain" w/out noting that anyone smart enough to use crypto > now will not use it if GAK is fully implemented. I found the logic questionable, but more disturbing was the fundamental position that "loss of privacy [...] is a price that must be paid to gain security". Benjamin Franklin's statement about security and freedom comes strongly to mind when I hear nonsense like this. He then cites the (in "our" view, useless and intrusive) hassles that airline passengers must endure in the name of "security" as justification for more of the same! Talk about a slippery slope! > Newsday is part of the LA Times Syndicate, so member papers may also > have the same viewpoint appearing in their pages within the next > couple of days. > Their website is http://www.newsday.com ... I don't know if the > viewpoint is on-line there. It is, at http://www.newsday.com/mainnews/rnmi0522.htm Pretty disappointing stuff, but then Mr. Kahn IS affiliated with the NSA these days, isn't he? Tunny ====================================================================== James A. Tunnicliffe | WWWeb: http://www.inference.com/~tunny Inference Corporation | PGP Fingerprint: CA 23 E2 F3 AC 2D 0C 77 tunny(a)Inference.com | 36 07 D9 33 3D 32 53 9C ====================================================================== -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Comment: which I won in the PGP raffle at Cypherpunks 12/96... iQEVAgUBMuZ1UvAmQsmyRPddAQFO/gf+Ikw8GScPo/+lr00lKvTnF7dZdEYhE8GC bt7wu96a/4mE81261EwxqA8voI/y5T3RsUfZLeYsGX+wkuPyqK1QImO3A7O8PNnb AvFitSaNsrMqyKTa7mI63TrvoBDCqtN3vYdDeSl6ZPHJmhHO5MF6xVoA56yeF5xf h0ooejTgeYMOGMhf2faRCKU31AdFB+pjozxMo83X2ZrCzga8wiHeqlEEKWQnu1cJ 3jc+TVZnEI95idbQqeHvxh/BBRdprrPxBfncCb8wnXuLHxPmrsWGqfvMDpS06qhl ZWEFChYLDGwsMokvcY+ZOZ6x4jlwssFGDXpflcdjFnPBp3yJKjU7fA== =/siB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: David Kahn advocates GAK
by Carl Ellison 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- It might also be that David's year long sabatical at NSA's crypto museum which recently ended put him in touch with people who believe in GAK. I found it interesting that he noted the argument that each additional day of government access is a good thing. This is the kind of belief we know that NSA holds -- a.k.a. "not on my watch" -- but I haven't seen it publicly admitted before. - Carl -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBMuZ35lQXJENzYr45AQEcfwQAqMftG0DXn1nr6faA6IHeAtqSXYanwnZb DiwqppU4nJqPtIvtFw8eOVVwyYCzIv046dFtwR2mk8HeL1v8I3R2sWm7waknFjlm TM84+vLamlVnBNPUAXRYOrFiEhPQm/iitR4GVrcga9mHJ+vrI38XQGzi0lxdg310 pWjq5Fxahag= =xhF7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- +------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme(a)acm.org http://www.clark.net/pub/cme | | PGP 2.6.2: 61 E2 DE 7F CB 9D 79 84 E9 C8 04 8B A6 32 21 A2 | +-Officer, officer, arrest that man. He's whistling a dirty song.--+

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Decision in Karn Case
by Dave Banisar 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We just received this today. This is in part good news that the appeals court did not just affirm the lower court decision but on the other hand, it doesn't give much guidance to the court. A html version is up at: http://www.epic.org/crypto/export_controls/karn_decision_1_97.html Dave ----------------------------------------------------------- UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA CIRCUIT No. 96-5121 Philip R. Karn, Jr. v. U.S. Department of State On Appeal from the United States District Court for the District of Columbia Before: Williams, Ginsburg, and Rogers, Circuit Judges January 21, 1997 JUDGMENT In light of the recent Executive Order transferring regulatory authority of non-military cryptographic computer source code to the Commerce Department, and the Commerce Department's promulgation of a new regulation under the authority of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, 50 U.S.C. secs. 1701 et seq., we remand this case to the district court to consider the reviewability of and, if appropriate, the merits of appellant's claim under the Administrative Procedure Act. Because "basic tenets of judicial restraint and separation of powers call upon [the court] first to consider alternative grounds for resolution" when the court is asked to answer a question involving the Constitution of the United States, Lamprecht v. FCC, 958 F.2d 382, 389-90 (D.C. Cir. 1992), we do not reach the constitutional issues raised by this appeal. The clerk is directed to withhold issuance of the mandate herein until seven days after disposition of any timely petition for rehearing. See D.C. Cir. Rule 41(a)(2). This instruction to the Clerk is without prejudice to the right of any party at any time to move for expedited issuance of the mandate for a good cause shown. Per Curiam FOR THE COURT: /s/ Mark J. Langer, Clerk ========================================================================= David Banisar (Banisar(a)epic.org) * 202-544-9240 (tel) Electronic Privacy Information Center * 202-547-5482 (fax) 666 Pennsylvania Ave, SE, Suite 301 * HTTP://www.epic.org Washington, DC 20003 PGP Key: http://www.epic.org/staff/banisar/key.html =========================================================================

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Re: Fascist cocksuckers: 0, Freedom of speech: 1
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Otto Matic <ott0matic(a)hotmail.com> writes: > >> John Young wrote: > >> > Governments in China, Burma and > >> > Singapore have already tried to discipline this on-line activity with > >> > minimal success. > >> > >> Do you have any pointers to information in regard to this, or are you > >> just being a goddamn tease? > > > >For example, the fascist cocksuckers Sandfart and Geekmore have been > >totally impotent in their failed attempts to suppress free speech. > > > >Gilmore's as inept as the governments of China, Burma and Singapore combined > > > > FUCK CENSORSHIP. FUCK EFF (EFFEMINATE FASCISTS FOUNDATION). > > > >--- > > > > Seems as if you've been censored! Bummer, dude! Yes. I'm sure Sandy Sandfart is having a good time censoring his betters. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor.
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Otto Matic <ott0matic(a)hotmail.com> writes: > >From cypherpunks-errors(a)toad.com Tue Jan 21 16:57:46 1997 > > >"Phillip M. Hallam-Baker" <hallam(a)ai.mit.edu> writes: > > > >> Mission: > >> > >> Singapore and China are blocking certain net groups. I think > >> this is a bad thing, question is how can we stop it? The Web > >> was conceived as offering despots and dictators a choice > >> between remaining in the dark ages and allowing freedom of > >> speech. Blocking and filtering schemes threaten this ideal. > > > >Phil, when I saw the subject, I thought this was another article > >condemning Gilmore, Sandfort, and their disgraceful censorship. > > What's up with this one getting censored? You didn't say cocksucker or fuck > anything? Alles Kriticismus auf der Listfuehrer Gilmore und Obercensor Sandfart ist stricklich verbotten. Heil Kocksucker Gilmore! --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Armenians want to know...
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ray Arachalian sure gets around... >From AARARATY(a)aua.am Wed Jan 22 07:01:23 1997 >Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) > via UUCP; Wed, 22 Jan 97 07:30:15 EST > for AARARATY(a)aua.am >Received: from fsaua.aua.am (fsaua.aua.am [10.1.0.3]) by ararat.aua.am (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id PAA08515 for <cismap(a)dm.com>; Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:24:30 +0400 >Received: from AMI/SpoolDir by fsaua.aua.am (Mercury 1.21); > 22 Jan 97 15:08:11 +0400 >Received: from SpoolDir by AMI (Mercury 1.30); 22 Jan 97 15:07:39 +0400 >From: "Ara Araratyan" <AARARATY(a)aua.am> >Organization: American University of Armenia >To: cismap(a)dm.com >Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 15:07:36 +0400 >Subject: Request For Information >Priority: normal >X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 >Message-Id: <7E1ABE2475(a)fsaua.aua.am> > >Dear Sir, > >If it is not hard for you, please, send me more information about >your organization. > >Sincerely, >Ara Araratyan

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 03:16:00 -0800 > From: Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd) > > Jim Choate wrote: > > 'We' shouldn't, it is their own country and it is up to their populace to > > stop it. Do you really want Singapore or China having a say in how we run > > our web? I certainly don't, and won't support any move to force any > > particular view on them. > > And Germany was Hitler and the Nazi Party's own country. And your point is? Are you equating a specific individual or organization with Hitler or the National Socialist? > Do you really want Clinton and GingWretch having a say in how we run > our No, and I have a vote to express that sentiment with and a 'press' (ssz.com) by which I may express my views irrelevant of how that vote may resolve itself. If the people in those counties want to give away their freedom that is their business (and right), not mine, yours, or this countries unless there is evidence they are trying to take their views and impose them here. Do you have said evidence? In reference to Hitler, had he stayed in his own country WWII and the ensuing half century of conflict would most likely not have occured. I say, let them filter themselves into economic collapse, intellectual nihilism, and political suicide. Suicide, assissted or otherwise, is a right any and all individuals have whether acting as individuals or as groups. Remember Masada! Never forget, a tree can exist without a forest but a forest can not exist without trees. It is a one way street however much some people may want to convince us otherwise. > It may be 'their' country ('their' being the government), but it is > 'their' world ('their' being the people). A goverment is people. This reminds me of the argument of the sanctity of law that so many people have. It is only ink on paper that people agree to go along with until they get their fill. Consider, history is full of examples of this process and with California and Massachusettes move on legalizing medical marijuana we may be seeing the first move of a return to states being much more adament on what they can and can't do (per the 9th and 10th). > There was a reason that the > Western powers didn't return East Germans who broke the laws of their > country by climbing over the wall and running for freedom. > Making information available does not 'force' a view on anyone. If those people agree to support a system that limits or controls what information they get to see that is their choice. It didn't work in Russia and it won't work in Singapore or China any better. If the US were to continue to press forward on oppressive legislation and the people don't do anything actively to fight it the same thing will happen here, economic collapse which forces a political collapse. However, we won't get there because the more the government employees and officials 'crack down' the more resistance they will get. You can fool most of the people some of the time, some of the people most of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time. The key to democratic success is not compromise but rather the unwillingness to compromise. > > Bull, the web was conceived so physicist and other researchers could share > > data in a easily digestible format. > > No. The internet was conceived so that the DOD could monitor the > communications > of physicists and researchers who thought it was awfully nice of the > government > to provide this wonderful method of sharing data and information. The Web does not equal the Internet, straw man argument. The original goal of the Internet was to allow computers to be connected in a nuclear conflict and the period afterward when communications would be most critical. How people may have bastardized it since then does not change the original reasons (unless you accept revisionist history as a valid endeavour, I don't). One of the biggest problems this country has right now is the inability of people like yourself to differentiate the difference between the ideals of the country and the people who impliment it. The problem is not the government or the ideals it was founded on but rather the way we impliment it. Our government is people, who put their pants on the same way you or I do (assuming you wear pants that is). They are not inherently some mineon of Hell, they are people who in general either don't give a damn and it's just a job or else they really believe what they are doing. Our government is NOT some ideal or non-real entity, despite how many citizens may rail about it in that manner. It just don't make it so. Accept and deal with your schizophrenic tendencies and help solve this national problem we face. Let's try to solve it now so that our grandchildren won't have to fight this fight again. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd)
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 03:16:00 -0800 > From: Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> > Subject: Re: Fighting the cybercensor. (fwd) > > Jim Choate wrote: > > 'We' shouldn't, it is their own country and it is up to their populace to > > stop it. Do you really want Singapore or China having a say in how we run > > our web? I certainly don't, and won't support any move to force any > > particular view on them. > > And Germany was Hitler and the Nazi Party's own country. And your point is? Are you equating a specific individual or organization with Hitler or the National Socialist? > Do you really want Clinton and GingWretch having a say in how we run > our No, and I have a vote to express that sentiment with and a 'press' (ssz.com) by which I may express my views irrelevant of how that vote may resolve itself. If the people in those counties want to give away their freedom that is their business (and right), not mine, yours, or this countries unless there is evidence they are trying to take their views and impose them here. Do you have said evidence? In reference to Hitler, had he stayed in his own country WWII and the ensuing half century of conflict would most likely not have occured. I say, let them filter themselves into economic collapse, intellectual nihilism, and political suicide. Suicide, assissted or otherwise, is a right any and all individuals have whether acting as individuals or as groups. Remember Masada! Never forget, a tree can exist without a forest but a forest can not exist without trees. It is a one way street however much some people may want to convince us otherwise. > It may be 'their' country ('their' being the government), but it is > 'their' world ('their' being the people). A goverment is people. This reminds me of the argument of the sanctity of law that so many people have. It is only ink on paper that people agree to go along with until they get their fill. Consider, history is full of examples of this process and with California and Massachusettes move on legalizing medical marijuana we may be seeing the first move of a return to states being much more adament on what they can and can't do (per the 9th and 10th). > There was a reason that the > Western powers didn't return East Germans who broke the laws of their > country by climbing over the wall and running for freedom. > Making information available does not 'force' a view on anyone. If those people agree to support a system that limits or controls what information they get to see that is their choice. It didn't work in Russia and it won't work in Singapore or China any better. If the US were to continue to press forward on oppressive legislation and the people don't do anything actively to fight it the same thing will happen here, economic collapse which forces a political collapse. However, we won't get there because the more the government employees and officials 'crack down' the more resistance they will get. You can fool most of the people some of the time, some of the people most of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time. The key to democratic success is not compromise but rather the unwillingness to compromise. > > Bull, the web was conceived so physicist and other researchers could share > > data in a easily digestible format. > > No. The internet was conceived so that the DOD could monitor the > communications > of physicists and researchers who thought it was awfully nice of the > government > to provide this wonderful method of sharing data and information. The Web does not equal the Internet, straw man argument. The original goal of the Internet was to allow computers to be connected in a nuclear conflict and the period afterward when communications would be most critical. How people may have bastardized it since then does not change the original reasons (unless you accept revisionist history as a valid endeavour, I don't). One of the biggest problems this country has right now is the inability of people like yourself to differentiate the difference between the ideals of the country and the people who impliment it. The problem is not the government or the ideals it was founded on but rather the way we impliment it. Our government is people, who put their pants on the same way you or I do (assuming you wear pants that is). They are not inherently some mineon of Hell, they are people who in general either don't give a damn and it's just a job or else they really believe what they are doing. Our government is NOT some ideal or non-real entity, despite how many citizens may rail about it in that manner. It just don't make it so. Accept and deal with your schizophrenic tendencies and help solve this national problem we face. Let's try to solve it now so that our grandchildren won't have to fight this fight again. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Digital signatures
by nobody＠zifi.genetics.utah.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy C[unt] May was born when his mother was on the toilet. \\\|||/// ======= | O : O | Timmy C[unt] May \`_^_'/ _|^|_

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Fuck Sandy Sandfart
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

This is a test. This is only a cocksucking test. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Fascist censorship
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I notice that both my highly crypto-relevant, flame-free article and Igor Chudov's response to it were rejected by the fascist moderator Sandfart and showed up immediately on the cypherpunks-flames address. Apparently Sandfart automatically rejects any submissions with my name in them. Or he's already dead from AIDS and has been replaced by a 'bot. I also notice that John Gilmore's employees from Cygnus Support are flaming me on sci.crypt and accusing me of homophobia. Please help expose Cygnus Support as a homosexual fraud. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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