December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Cellular location...
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 aaron(a)herringn.com wrote: > Presented in a "this will help 911" context. Still disconcerting. > > [...] > Companies working on the technology to track cellular phone calls > have been given additional incentive with a Federal Communications > Commission order that all cell phone service companies have location > programs in place by the year 2001. > [...] I wonder how expensive it would be to put a GPS receiver in a cell phone and have the option to transmit the coordinates on a separate channel. There would be little difference between this and forcing cell phone companies to triangulate every call. The primary motivation for this is almost certainly "location escrow" to make it easier for the feds to track drug dealers. Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMuqrJizIPc7jvyFpAQEmsAf+KysBgt9xRDg/Wp0yJ+jTBEwueVMZu0vB z9KtEOQDLCZkd7bzzIeJwjXochpA5fqlXetP/pRyAT058ewE2OEYz3SgK2zwz3s/ LRTFHRAIdj4f/+7PTKx6LvoN4NPvKOssqZ4KpX/YYNm/pHhe7eKCY8uV2AEXnoxz bfs6FgLDYhEtdBYhQGhSbRUgl0MrdW6crmEredavCkZCuqf6G6YOZ7PB1kGK3ZlH QqIkcDrV2RewY738KuKRb1xsQJHtSC8hgchM6eYY6qpac0BkpQLESo4777wv/5/a oDMP/ubR8cXokEzQgmhRo8eeHCXBJ8tiKOkKzstkTAdSGOONlc9ttQ== =j7WP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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who the "fuck" am I?
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <Pine.LNX.3.95.970125111610.12982A-100000(a)dhp.com>, on 01/25/97 at 12:32 PM, aga <aga(a)dhp.com> said: +Which Attila the Hun is this? +Is this the rec.nude guy? +-aga response -------------- I will not say "what is 'rec.nude'" but I have never been there; isn't that the one for nudists camps or some such? never been much into worrying about what I wore, or making the statement I did not! I always thought a little mystery was good for both sides: she knows not if I have a small dick, I know not if she has no tits; la, la, la.. .. as to multiple "Attila the Hun" accounts, I probably have as good as any original stake on the name as far as the net goes: --Bell Labs hung it on me in the mid 70s when I was doing some contract work on the unix kernal for Western Electric for the spook show. The name stuck, and why bother to change? Other than the fact the nudist might be a real loser, I could care less about a nym; there are multiple users on other nyms (for all we know, Tim May is a nym and the name is common); you can usually guess by context who is who. how many of us have actually seen each other face to face (who would want to <g>)? so, in most cases, real names are no different than nyms in a make believe world. now, all that being said... it has been asked... "who the fuck are you?" to which I reply: "...good choice of expletives." "nobody, I guess; "well, let's see... "I have a Piled higher and Deeper in Information Techniques from Zuerich (undergrad at Harvard in dual honors physical chemistry); "I have been around since before the dawn of arpanet, probably even longer than TCMay; in fact, I was born before Franklin D. Roosevelt dusted off Wendell L. Willkie; "...but I've never held a 'job;' "I have personally coded more than a few 250,000+ line packages, which made me quite comfortable at one time, even if more than one did go down the black hole (along with countless other projects like the bit-slice hardware and firmware to replace B3500s in missle silos); "I have been the hatchet man in numerous high tech recoveries; "I have been detained for crypto offenses by the Feds; "I have been detained for 'treasonable' technology export; "I have been charged; "...a long time ago, in a land far, far away, there was more than one tour in the Corps' "deep-deep black" special operations; the battalion commanding officer for the 'Let's kill 'em all' vacant eyes, the misfits; "a combat chopper pilot; "an instrument rated multi-engine pilots license; "a rider of a 102 in. 115+ mph qtr. miler hawg on the street; "plus a few other reasons to guarantee an autobiography found on the fiction shelf." while playing Hotel California: So, who the 'fuck' am I? Just another aging 300 lb gorilla, long haired hippie, California freak, with yet another loud outlaw chopper. "Oh, yeah, I forgot, I hold a license to practice before the court in a couple European countries (not that I would waste my time...)." "So, who am I, really? "Nobody, I guess, just attila!" == "you probably will not be last, you may not be next, but you are certainly too late to have been first. --attila -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMuqidr04kQrCC2kFAQGiqgQAqu6qHbbX61IkM0YBXnFAZ2divzWvWPWB vt/+BHXq55PHmAPq1m2v5Yf0Jnam03abm4hFkvQLFtCg05i8bRaU5L8QiWyJJ3z0 wtMrDKF9VqRtSDhSwUoVwS2affnUUViE4GPBjezNCnuTtwHQ0fr7vgqq8IUr8q4I dDLp/VCMniE= =9nng -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> writes: > > > Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> writes: > > > > > [For the record, I have serious doubts whether the HIV virus causes AIDS. > > > > Both homosexual males and IV drug users are well known to take a lot > > of antobiotics, which lowers the efficacy of the immune system enough > > to allow most anything to happen, ultimately leading to auto-immune > > problems. > > WOAH Bessie! Jim and Dale, I agree. Also shooting one's bloodstream full of fecal matter hardly helps. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: HELLO
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:31 AM 1/25/97 EST, Lou Zer wrote: >Is ESDES a good program? > > > No clue - got a pointer to where it lives? Also, a Subject line is a good way to let people know what your mail is about.... - like Subject: ESDES? Is ESDES a good program? It's at http://really-cool-warez.com/elite/trustme/warez.html # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Anyone have info on foreign "ITARS"
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:01 PM 1/24/97 +0000, Bill Campbell wrote: >Does anyone have any pointers to info about the import/export >restrictions on encryption products in various countries. I know any From : "Bert-Jaap Koops" <E.J.Koops(a)kub.nl> Subj : Crypto Law Survey updated Date : Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:38:31 MET Forward? : No Return : owner-cryptography(a)c2.net --------------------------------------------------------------- I have just updated my survey of existing and envisaged cryptography laws and regulations. It now also includes a What's new section. This update contains among others updates on the OECD, Germany, France, Netherlands, the new US export regulations, and the Bernstein case. See the Crypto Law Survey at http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Saw Your Post
by john＠travelcash.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Scandinavian Goverments provide PGP to postal customers...
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:29 PM 1/24/97 -0800, Hugh Daniel wrote: >> Based on PGP, with no "third-party" key holder, the Nordic system >> uses unbreakable RSA-algorithm encryption with a 1024-bit key. >> However, some hardware is required. Because the key is on a >> smartcard, users must have smartcard readers installed on their >> computers, which aren't yet widely available. But Pdr Andler of >> Finnish Hewlett Packard says that later this year, smartcard readers Guess what - it's still got "key escrow"! If you've got a smartcard that holds your key, then you've got something well-defined that can be subpoenaed.... It's better than Yankee-style giving the government your keys in advance, but it's still key escrow. On the other hand, it's voluntary, and if it interoperates with Real PGP, then great - but will there be an expectation that you need to have your key signed by The Post Office to use it? # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: HELLO
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:31 AM 1/25/97 EST, Lou Zer wrote: >Is ESDES a good program? > > > No clue - got a pointer to where it lives? Also, a Subject line is a good way to let people know what your mail is about.... - like Subject: ESDES? Is ESDES a good program? It's at http://really-cool-warez.com/elite/trustme/warez.html # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Anyone have info on foreign "ITARS"
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:01 PM 1/24/97 +0000, Bill Campbell wrote: >Does anyone have any pointers to info about the import/export >restrictions on encryption products in various countries. I know any From : "Bert-Jaap Koops" <E.J.Koops(a)kub.nl> Subj : Crypto Law Survey updated Date : Thu, 9 Jan 1997 09:38:31 MET Forward? : No Return : owner-cryptography(a)c2.net --------------------------------------------------------------- I have just updated my survey of existing and envisaged cryptography laws and regulations. It now also includes a What's new section. This update contains among others updates on the OECD, Germany, France, Netherlands, the new US export regulations, and the Bernstein case. See the Crypto Law Survey at http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Scandinavian Goverments provide PGP to postal customers...
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 06:29 PM 1/24/97 -0800, Hugh Daniel wrote: >> Based on PGP, with no "third-party" key holder, the Nordic system >> uses unbreakable RSA-algorithm encryption with a 1024-bit key. >> However, some hardware is required. Because the key is on a >> smartcard, users must have smartcard readers installed on their >> computers, which aren't yet widely available. But Pdr Andler of >> Finnish Hewlett Packard says that later this year, smartcard readers Guess what - it's still got "key escrow"! If you've got a smartcard that holds your key, then you've got something well-defined that can be subpoenaed.... It's better than Yankee-style giving the government your keys in advance, but it's still key escrow. On the other hand, it's voluntary, and if it interoperates with Real PGP, then great - but will there be an expectation that you need to have your key signed by The Post Office to use it? # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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None Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] GAK
by nobody＠zifi.genetics.utah.edu 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timmy C[ocksucker] May's abysmal grammar, atrocious spelling and feeble responses clearly identify him as a product of the American education system. ,,, (. .) -ooO-(_)-Ooo- Timmy C[ocksucker] May

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Mis-quote...
by Jim Choate 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, I want to thank all those who sent me email apologizing for the mis-quote. Your courtesy is appreciated. Jim Choate CyberTects ravage(a)ssz.com

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Re: Encrypting ZIP disks
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Paul Kocher announced that he has cracked it, and can recover data >quickly. He is not publishing details of the break. > >Adam Shostack Sorry, I don't believe it any more than I believe other unsubstantiated crypto claims. Publish the code/method for others to verify or keep the clains to yourself Paul. --Steve

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17 Dec '03

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Fan mail from Gilmore, Sandfart, and friends
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>From iverson(a)usa.net Sat Jan 25 12:51:37 1997 >Received: by bwalk.dm.com (1.65/waf) > via UUCP; Sat, 25 Jan 97 13:06:18 EST > for dlv >Received: (qmail 17565 invoked by uid 0); 25 Jan 1997 17:47:20 -0000 >Received: from nyc-ny15-18.ix.netcom.com (205.186.166.50) by netaddress.usa.net via mtad (2.0) on Sat Jan 25 10:47:15 1997 >Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970124203349.006a229c(a)pop.netaddress.com> >X-Sender: iverson(a)pop.netaddress.com (Unverified) >X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) >Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 12:46:01 -0500 >To: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com> >From: Casey Iverson <iverson(a)usa.net> >Subject: Re: No Dimitri?? >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >At 10:33 PM 1/23/97 EST, you wrote: >>"William H. Geiger III" <whgiii(a)amaranth.com> writes: >> >>> I have noticed that there has not been any post from Dimitri in a couple of >>> days. >>> >>> I am assuming that this means that the list moderation has now started? >> >>Yes - anything I say is junked irrespective of content. > >Devoid of content you piece of Russian Shit > >You have not completed the NetAddress survey. Please login to http://netaddress.usa.net/ to start using NetAddress > So much shit in NYC...

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by schtief＠juno.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Encrypting ZIP disks
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>Paul Kocher announced that he has cracked it, and can recover data >quickly. He is not publishing details of the break. > >Adam Shostack Sorry, I don't believe it any more than I believe other unsubstantiated crypto claims. Publish the code/method for others to verify or keep the clains to yourself Paul. --Steve

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Jim Choate wrote: > Forwarded message: > > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 10:31:49 -0800 > > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > > Subject: Re: overview.htm > > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > Jim Choate <ravage(a)einstein.ssz.com> writes: [snip] > WOAH Bessie! > I had nothing to do with this exchange, and definitely didn't write ANY of > the above. Please get me out of there and keep me out of it. I am more than > able to speak for myself thank you. I don't know what could have happened. I use the Netscape email editor in stupid mode, i.e., I just press the buttons, I don't have any idea how it works. Sorry!

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Re: overview.htm (fwd)
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > > > > [For the record, I have serious doubts whether the HIV virus causes AIDS. > > > Both homosexual males and IV drug users are well known to take a lot > > > of antobiotics, which lowers the efficacy of the immune system enough > > > to allow most anything to happen, ultimately leading to auto-immune > > > problems. > Jim and Dale, I agree. > Also shooting one's bloodstream full of fecal matter hardly helps. My point about the antibiotics is that the male gays take a dis- proportionate amount of them, which compounds their problems. It suggests to me that the immune system is already seriously debilitated or damaged before AIDS can take hold, rather than the notion that a healthy person can get it from the virii alone. One could argue that in the cases where the cures (antibiotics) add to a person's problems by further corrupting their immune system, that they should simply change their habits. Since I don't see that as a reasonable possibility, the only thing left is that the public should be made aware of *all* of the relevant facts, even those which are heavily suppressed now for PC reasons.

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RE: US Info Supremacy
by blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: John Young Hello, Tim May and our other solons and Solomons. ................................................................ He must be on vacation; he hasn't posted in quite a while. .. Blanc

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RE: US Info Supremacy
by blanc 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: John Young Hello, Tim May and our other solons and Solomons. ................................................................ He must be on vacation; he hasn't posted in quite a while. .. Blanc

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Re: Cellular location...
by Steve Schear 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 aaron(a)herringn.com wrote: > >> Presented in a "this will help 911" context. Still disconcerting. >> >> [...] >> Companies working on the technology to track cellular phone calls >> have been given additional incentive with a Federal Communications >> Commission order that all cell phone service companies have location >> programs in place by the year 2001. >> [...] > Looks like this might create an opportunity for 'anonymous' cellular rentals. --Steve

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Re: Cellular location...
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 aaron(a)herringn.com wrote: > >> Presented in a "this will help 911" context. Still disconcerting. >> >> [...] >> Companies working on the technology to track cellular phone calls >> have been given additional incentive with a Federal Communications >> Commission order that all cell phone service companies have location >> programs in place by the year 2001. >> [...] > Looks like this might create an opportunity for 'anonymous' cellular rentals. --Steve

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: > Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> writes: > > paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk wrote: > > It became rather glaringly obvious after moderation was announced > > that class structure would be the defining feature of moderation. > > Those who felt themselves to be in the 'upper class' made no > > bones about it. > > That's a very insightful obeservation. Obese-rvation? I hope you are not assuming that I am obese, just because I am responding to a post originating from 'fatmans.demon.co.uk.' I would hate to become relegated to the upcoming cypherpunks-fatpeople list because of assumptions of this nature. Toto

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