December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: Sovreign Right of Lawful Access
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:11 PM 1/28/97 -0600, Mike McNally wrote: >Somebody wrote: >> >> This morning at the RSA keynote, David Aaron, the US Crypto >> ambassador quoted the "Sovreign Right of Lawful Access" as >> something that goverments were determined to preserve. > >Speaking as a private indiwidual, and not as a drone in the employ >of IBM (don't get me started on the "but wait, key recovery *isn't* >the same as key escrow" hoo-ha), that dude scared the piss out of >me. I think that terminology is odd. They're getting desperate. "Soverign Right of Lawful Access" doesn't state HOW DIFFICULT that "access" is to be. Interpreted broadly, that would outlaw any encryption even if it only impeded that access a tiny bit! Or under an alternative interpretation, the mere fact that it is hypothetically possible to decrypt a message means that nothing (other than mathematical improbability) stands in the way of doing the decrypt. Also, it didn't say SECRET ACCESS, although experience tells us that they (the thugs) probably assume this. I've long pointed out that ordinary search warrants require informing people who are being searched, even if they're not home and assuming the thugs didn't trash the place the way they frequently like to. I see no reason to believe that the advent of telephone technology in the late 1800's should have retroactively re-written the US Constitution to make secret searches okay. Technically, the Bill of Rights prohibits "unreasonable searches and siezures," and doesn't specifically mention the secrecy issue, but since (am I correct in this, Real Lawyers <tm>?) the practice up until that time required people searched to be informed of searches, a change in policy that wiretaps could be secret sounds more like taking advantage of a technological windfall, not "discovering" that the Constitution allowed something that had always before been prohibited. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Best Computer School?
by Hal Abelson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rick Osborne <osborne(a)gateway.grumman.com> writes: The only thing I didn't have that the next MIT applicant had was money. I made the mistake of letting them know that I was dirt poor and would need full aid/grants/etc, and to quote "The Great Escape" it was "Zzzt! To the Russian front!" Just to set the record straight, MIT's admissions is need-blind. Lots of things go into our admissions decisions, but whether or not an applicant needs financial aid is not one of them. Admissions and financial aid are handled out of separate offices, and the people making the admissions decisions don't even see the financial aid requests. One exception: We are experimenting with the possibility of considering the amount of aid needed in the case of a few international applicants, but even here this is only a minor consideration for a small number of applicants. For domestic applicants, financial aid plays no role at all in the admissions decision. -- Hal Abelson

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Best Computer School?
by Hal Abelson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rick Osborne <osborne(a)gateway.grumman.com> writes: The only thing I didn't have that the next MIT applicant had was money. I made the mistake of letting them know that I was dirt poor and would need full aid/grants/etc, and to quote "The Great Escape" it was "Zzzt! To the Russian front!" Just to set the record straight, MIT's admissions is need-blind. Lots of things go into our admissions decisions, but whether or not an applicant needs financial aid is not one of them. Admissions and financial aid are handled out of separate offices, and the people making the admissions decisions don't even see the financial aid requests. One exception: We are experimenting with the possibility of considering the amount of aid needed in the case of a few international applicants, but even here this is only a minor consideration for a small number of applicants. For domestic applicants, financial aid plays no role at all in the admissions decision. -- Hal Abelson

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Re: Sovreign Right of Lawful Access
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 10:11 PM 1/28/97 -0600, Mike McNally wrote: >Somebody wrote: >> >> This morning at the RSA keynote, David Aaron, the US Crypto >> ambassador quoted the "Sovreign Right of Lawful Access" as >> something that goverments were determined to preserve. > >Speaking as a private indiwidual, and not as a drone in the employ >of IBM (don't get me started on the "but wait, key recovery *isn't* >the same as key escrow" hoo-ha), that dude scared the piss out of >me. I think that terminology is odd. They're getting desperate. "Soverign Right of Lawful Access" doesn't state HOW DIFFICULT that "access" is to be. Interpreted broadly, that would outlaw any encryption even if it only impeded that access a tiny bit! Or under an alternative interpretation, the mere fact that it is hypothetically possible to decrypt a message means that nothing (other than mathematical improbability) stands in the way of doing the decrypt. Also, it didn't say SECRET ACCESS, although experience tells us that they (the thugs) probably assume this. I've long pointed out that ordinary search warrants require informing people who are being searched, even if they're not home and assuming the thugs didn't trash the place the way they frequently like to. I see no reason to believe that the advent of telephone technology in the late 1800's should have retroactively re-written the US Constitution to make secret searches okay. Technically, the Bill of Rights prohibits "unreasonable searches and siezures," and doesn't specifically mention the secrecy issue, but since (am I correct in this, Real Lawyers <tm>?) the practice up until that time required people searched to be informed of searches, a change in policy that wiretaps could be secret sounds more like taking advantage of a technological windfall, not "discovering" that the Constitution allowed something that had always before been prohibited. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: The Politics of Export Restrictions
by Greg Broiles 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:44 PM 1/29/97 -0800, Rick Hornbeck wrote: >Is it possible the unreasonable crypto export restrictions are simply being >imposed at this time for the purpose of making Al Gore look good when he >runs for President in 2000? I suppose it's plausible, but it's an opportunity open to both candidates, and more plausibly (because of lack of collaboration) to the Republicans - e.g., Dan Quayle and the "Crypto Freedom For Americans" platform, promising to rescue Silicon Valley from those evil regulatory Democrats. If I were an evil politician trying to set up a trick like you suggest, I think I'd want a scheme that my opponent(s) couldn't hijack and use against me. -- Greg Broiles | US crypto export control policy in a nutshell: gbroiles(a)netbox.com | http://www.io.com/~gbroiles | Export jobs, not crypto. |

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Re: DES challenge status?
by Anil Das 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Ben Byer wrote: >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >=20 > What exactly is the status of RSA's DES contest? I understand that at > least two of the smaller contests have already been cracked, but I > haven't seen much beyond theoretical discussion on the list on the > topic of the DES contest. >=20 =09Two? The only publicized solution so far is the RC5/32/12/5 solution from Ian Goldberg at Berkeley (and independently from Germano Caronni at ETH Z=FCrich). =09Are you saying that you know that the 48 bit RC5 contest is solved already, or are you just counting Ian's and Germano's solutions separately? -- Anil Das

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Best Computer School?
by Hal Abelson 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Rick Osborne <osborne(a)gateway.grumman.com> writes: The only thing I didn't have that the next MIT applicant had was money. I made the mistake of letting them know that I was dirt poor and would need full aid/grants/etc, and to quote "The Great Escape" it was "Zzzt! To the Russian front!" Just to set the record straight, MIT's admissions is need-blind. Lots of things go into our admissions decisions, but whether or not an applicant needs financial aid is not one of them. Admissions and financial aid are handled out of separate offices, and the people making the admissions decisions don't even see the financial aid requests. One exception: We are experimenting with the possibility of considering the amount of aid needed in the case of a few international applicants, but even here this is only a minor consideration for a small number of applicants. For domestic applicants, financial aid plays no role at all in the admissions decision. -- Hal Abelson

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Re: Sovreign Right of Lawful Access
by Mike McNally 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jim bell wrote: > > I see no reason to believe that the advent of telephone technology > in the late 1800's should have retroactively re-written the US > Constitution ... This point, unfortunately, seems to be lost in the woods. At the panel discussions in this conference, so many people used phrases like "... law enforcement doing what they need to do..." on *both* sides of the GAK fence. "Need" to do? Well, they might "need" to do lots of things under their own view of reality, but that doesn't mean it's reasonable to negotiate towards that position. Why is it that just because one party shows up with a wacked-out agenda that the "honorable" thing to do is work towards a consensus solution? -- ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Mike McNally -- Egregiously Pointy -- Tivoli Systems, "IBM" -- Austin mailto:m5@tivoli.com mailto:m101@io.com http://www.io.com/~m101 ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

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Re: FBI=LIE
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Adam Shostack wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/washpol/fbi-lab.html > Login cypherpunks, password cypherpunks. > WASHINGTON -- For decades the FBI's reputation as a crime-fighting > agency has rested heavily on its high-tech forensic laboratory, which > could solve baffling crimes from a speck of blood, a sliver of paint > or the thinnest filament of human hair. > But an investigation by the Justice Department's inspector > general has put the FBI laboratory, and the way the agency has > used it, under the glare of public scrutiny. The findings, which were > turned over to FBI officials last week, are threatening to shatter the > image of an agency on the cutting edge of scientific sleuthing. The L.A. Times today (Wed) ran an article telling about three top lab people working on the OKC bombing case, and how they were moved or scuttled due to discrepancies. This was a new development. You'll note also that although Fujisaki (sp?) in the 2nd O.J. trial did not permit it to be introduced (to my knowledge), there was evidence that a high-up FBI lab person who testified in the first trial falsified or seriously distorted certain facts to help the prosecution. This may yet be pursued like the Fuhrman thing.

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Re: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Kevin L Prigge wrote: > paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk said: > > > I think both of these groups are intellectually dishonest in the > > > extreme when it comes to telling others how this list should be > > > run. I doubt any of them would permit the sort of disruptive > > > behavior that goes on here to go unchallenged in salons they > > > sponsor in their own homes or on Net lists that they themselves > > > maintain. > > > > If you want to talk about intellectual dishonesty try the following: > > > > Imagine if you will a list, the original purpose of which was > > to act as a free and open forum for discussion of cryptography and > > related issues. A list which proudly proclaims in its "welcome to > > the list" message: > > > > We do not seek to prevent other people from > > speaking about their experiences or their opinions. > > > > Now imagine that list falling into a state of content based > > censorship and censorship based on an unspoken but ever present > > class structure, then ask yourself which list you know that most > > closely matches this description, it`s a pretty revealing exercise. > > The exercise reveals to me that only by ignoring the first paragraph > of your example, the part that reads "Imagine if you will a list, > the original purpose of which was to act as a free and open forum > for discussion of cryptography and related issues." can you make > a claim of content based censorship. The purpose of this list was Then why discussion of machine guns should be allowed here? igor

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Re: Shave the Whales
by Huge Cajones Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Handbook of Applied Cryptography
by Mullen, Patrick 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(My apologies if someone else has posted this information and I missed it.) _Handbook_of_Applied_Cryptography_, Menezes, Oorschot, Vanstone, CRC Press, Boca Raton, 1997 With a foreword by R.L. Rivest Contents in Brief: Table of Contents v List of Tables xv List of Figures xix Foreword xxi Preface xxiii 1 Overview of Cryptography 1 2 Mathematical Background 49 3 Number-Theoretic Reverence Problems 87 4 Pulic-Key Parameters 133 5 Pseudorandom Bits and Sequences 169 6 Stream Ciphers 191 7 Block Ciphers 223 8 Public-Key Encryption 283 9 Hash Functions and Data Integrity 321 10 Identification and Entity Authentication 385 11 Digital Signatures 425 12 Key Establishment Protocols 489 13 Key Management Techniques 543 14 Efficient Implementation 591 15 Patents and Standards 635 A Bibliography of Papers from Selected Cryptographic Forums 663 References 703 Index 775 >From the back cover: << BEGIN QUOTE >> Cryptography, in particular public-key cryptography, has emerged in the las 20 years as an important discipline that is not only the subject of an enormous amount of research, but provides the foundation for information security in many applications. Standards are emerging to meet the demands for cryptographic protection in most areas of data communications. Public- key cryptographic techniques are now in widespread use in industry, especially in the financial services industry, in the public sector, and by individuals for their personal privacy, such as in electronic mail. This Handbook will serve as a valuable reference for the novice as well as for the expert who needs a wider scope of coverage within the aread of cryptography. It is a necessary and timely guide for professionals who practice the art of cryptography. The _Handbook_of_Applied_Cryptography_ provides a treatment that is multifunctional: * It serves as an introduction to the more practical aspects of both conventional and public-key cryptography * It is a valuable source of the latest techniques and algorithms for the serious practitioner * It provides an integrated treatment of the field, whil still presenting each major topic as a self-contained unit * It provides a mathematical treatment to accompany practical discussions * It contains enough abstractoin to be a valuable reference for theoreticians while containing enough detail to actually allow implementation of the algorithms discussed This is the definitive cryptography reference that novice as well as experienced developers, designers, researchers, engineers, computer scientists, and mathematicials alike will find indispensable. << END QUOTE >> ~ Patrick

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RE: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Blanc Weber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

From: Sandy Sandfort (By the way, if you don't like moderation, you would hate Eric Hughes' favored solution.) ............................................... What was that? .. Blanc

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Re: libsln.htm -- Is Libel a Crime?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:14 AM 1/27/97 -0600, ichudov(a)algebra.com wrote: >I am not sure if you posted this information in response to my request >to cite a statute that would prove that libel is a crime. > >Me> Jim Choate wrote: >Me> > >Me> > >Me> > >Me> > Are you aware that attributing statements in print to a party when that >Me> > party did not write them is a crime? >Me> >Me> cite the statute > > >These postings do not prove that libel is a crime. It is because libel >is not a crime. Libel is a tort, and unlike with crime, the government >cannot initiate a legal action against someone for libel. Only injured >(libeled) individuals and not the government can sue in a libel case. On the contrary, in some jurisdictions libel is indeed a crime. However, that doesn't mean that prosecutions happen anymore, but the laws are (in some places) still on the books. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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No Subject
by Ciro Maria 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: Moderated list is missing headers
by Mark M. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Lou Poppler wrote: > The arguments about imaginary quotes and libel are harder to untangle > because the moderation process seems to consume the mail headers showing > the messages' travels before reaching toad.com. I suggest that these > headers are signal not noise, and should be propagated if at all possible. > We have had problems in the past with forgeries, and should retain this > basic tool for evaluating a message's source. I agree, except I rely on this to sort the moderated and unmoderated lists into separate folders. I'm sure the bugs are still being worked out, but it would be much easier to filter if the sender header was set appropriately. Here's the procmail recipe in case anyone's interested: :0 * ^Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com { :0 * -1^1 ^Received: * 4^1 ^Received:.*from majordom(a)localhost.*by toad.com * ^Message-Id:.*toad.com in.cpunks :0 unedited } The number 4 should be changed depending on how many hops a message must make to reach its destination. Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQEVAwUBMu0gyyzIPc7jvyFpAQGCrAgAlIT6oSZ18sVGuMQWeszAWPE67BwMRx/1 2CLsrtpCaKfj5j+C5DsT2dpv4IhlOFOftrtCPL8KOEot5YRg3mUeUl7efwfnioeB UmM3h7Zx8W5RFZlTlhMim58G5o88jYVE3Rsov+f8nYM9hoXPDyjgoZmnG4BUn8Ca saL3ul2zO39bB4YwRmBKCeXRBzefmaowJbdC7Hl+S+uU61+Dbtbk/Fq2o5B9Gsvq wjg3QF4u+oyDCfcxdmLajL9tE6K7L2bgEkvi9kxt7AUP5e/l53epXK9cFplYF0B6 qgPd0shYmWiTSbhjQ4tw6jZkxuyxWqFX/nAHGp7Tciqp/rIkwX/tNQ== =riw1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: The Adult Chamber of Commerce is now open
by BUSINESS＠VNET.NET 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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No Subject
by Ciro Maria 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Handbook of Applied Cryptography
by Mullen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

(My apologies if someone else has posted this information and I missed it.) _Handbook_of_Applied_Cryptography_, Menezes, Oorschot, Vanstone, CRC Press, Boca Raton, 1997 With a foreword by R.L. Rivest Contents in Brief: Table of Contents v List of Tables xv List of Figures xix Foreword xxi Preface xxiii 1 Overview of Cryptography 1 2 Mathematical Background 49 3 Number-Theoretic Reverence Problems 87 4 Pulic-Key Parameters 133 5 Pseudorandom Bits and Sequences 169 6 Stream Ciphers 191 7 Block Ciphers 223 8 Public-Key Encryption 283 9 Hash Functions and Data Integrity 321 10 Identification and Entity Authentication 385 11 Digital Signatures 425 12 Key Establishment Protocols 489 13 Key Management Techniques 543 14 Efficient Implementation 591 15 Patents and Standards 635 A Bibliography of Papers from Selected Cryptographic Forums 663 References 703 Index 775 >From the back cover: << BEGIN QUOTE >> Cryptography, in particular public-key cryptography, has emerged in the las 20 years as an important discipline that is not only the subject of an enormous amount of research, but provides the foundation for information security in many applications. Standards are emerging to meet the demands for cryptographic protection in most areas of data communications. Public- key cryptographic techniques are now in widespread use in industry, especially in the financial services industry, in the public sector, and by individuals for their personal privacy, such as in electronic mail. This Handbook will serve as a valuable reference for the novice as well as for the expert who needs a wider scope of coverage within the aread of cryptography. It is a necessary and timely guide for professionals who practice the art of cryptography. The _Handbook_of_Applied_Cryptography_ provides a treatment that is multifunctional: * It serves as an introduction to the more practical aspects of both conventional and public-key cryptography * It is a valuable source of the latest techniques and algorithms for the serious practitioner * It provides an integrated treatment of the field, whil still presenting each major topic as a self-contained unit * It provides a mathematical treatment to accompany practical discussions * It contains enough abstractoin to be a valuable reference for theoreticians while containing enough detail to actually allow implementation of the algorithms discussed This is the definitive cryptography reference that novice as well as experienced developers, designers, researchers, engineers, computer scientists, and mathematicials alike will find indispensable. << END QUOTE >> ~~ Patrick

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[IMPORTANT] New keyserver available
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: libsln.htm -- Is Libel a Crime?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:14 AM 1/27/97 -0600, ichudov(a)algebra.com wrote: >I am not sure if you posted this information in response to my request >to cite a statute that would prove that libel is a crime. > >Me> Jim Choate wrote: >Me> > >Me> > >Me> > >Me> > Are you aware that attributing statements in print to a party when that >Me> > party did not write them is a crime? >Me> >Me> cite the statute > > >These postings do not prove that libel is a crime. It is because libel >is not a crime. Libel is a tort, and unlike with crime, the government >cannot initiate a legal action against someone for libel. Only injured >(libeled) individuals and not the government can sue in a libel case. On the contrary, in some jurisdictions libel is indeed a crime. However, that doesn't mean that prosecutions happen anymore, but the laws are (in some places) still on the books. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Re: libsln.htm -- Is Libel a Crime?
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 01:14 AM 1/27/97 -0600, ichudov(a)algebra.com wrote: >I am not sure if you posted this information in response to my request >to cite a statute that would prove that libel is a crime. > >Me> Jim Choate wrote: >Me> > >Me> > >Me> > >Me> > Are you aware that attributing statements in print to a party when that >Me> > party did not write them is a crime? >Me> >Me> cite the statute > > >These postings do not prove that libel is a crime. It is because libel >is not a crime. Libel is a tort, and unlike with crime, the government >cannot initiate a legal action against someone for libel. Only injured >(libeled) individuals and not the government can sue in a libel case. On the contrary, in some jurisdictions libel is indeed a crime. However, that doesn't mean that prosecutions happen anymore, but the laws are (in some places) still on the books. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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RE: Rejection policy of the Cypherpunks mailing list
by Sandy Sandfort 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SANDY SANDFORT . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . C'punks, On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Blanc Weber wrote: > From: Sandy Sandfort > > (By the way, if you don't like moderation, you would hate Eric Hughes' > favored solution.) > ............................................... > > > What was that? Eric, would like to require a deposit ($20 was the example he gave) from subscriber/posters. Non-subscribers would not be allowed to post. Subscribers who voluntarily left the list, would get their deposit back. Subscribers who flamed twice (every dog gets one bite) would be kicked off the list and their deposit would be forfeited (or perhaps turned over to the flame victim). S a n d y ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: Passphrase Online...
by Erp 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> I suppose if you were doing something locally, and someone wanted to be > really sneaky, they could embed something like keycopy on your machine (with > a virus or something) and get coppied every time you enter a keystroke. I > don't suppose it would be all that difficult to get a machine to run a tsr > that got kicked off every time you accessed something like, say , > PGP....Comments? Ok, just something that would be a nasty little virii in its own way... If there was a virii produced that copied down a persons keystrokes every time, and then when they logged onto the InterNet aka aachieved a PPP/Slip connection, it automatically sent (without there knowing) a copy of all the keystorkes they have made so far, and then deletes them from an encrypted file, or from within a file it has been adding them too *shrug*... .. aka Automatically sends it to say an anonymous email account or some such. Ok *shrug* jsut an idea... later..... Erp *************************************************** Hey we have fun here at hell! Check us out if your lucky: http://www.fromhell.com/

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The Bell Curve
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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