December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Cocksucker
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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misc. security url
by nobody＠REPLAY.COM 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

forwarded message... In> Subject: Computer Crime and Investigations Center In> I have put together a Computer Crime and Investigations Center In> URL: http://www.ovnet.com/~dckinder/crime.htm In> This page points you to sources of information pertaining to various In> issues relevant to Computer Crime and Security. In> Topics covered include: In> What Problems Can Arise In> An Ounce of Prevention... In> How it is done In> Detecting whether you have a problem In> Search and Seizure of Computer Equipment In> Is Big Brother Watching You? In> The Enigma of Encryption In> Viruses In> NT Security In> What issues are specific to the World Wide Web? In> Law Reviews In> General Sites In> Duncan Kinder In> dckinder(a)ovnet.com

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Karma
by Bubba Rom Dos 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"He who shits on the road, will meet flies upon his return."

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(no subject)
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Re: uae_1.html
by mohanjm＠emirates.net.ae 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>jim bell wrote: > >> I wonder what these people will think when organizations like Teledesic and >> Iridium start operating (low-earth-orbit satellites) to allow >> totally-wireless connectivity. It seems to me that there will be a market >> for services that allow anonymous browsing, perhaps with encrypted requests >> that return otherwise-unidentified data on a publicly-accessible airwaves. > > Think of the possibility of satellite-fed 'roving' InterNet sites. > What will be the 'export' implications of sending crypto to a place >such as site.nowhere, site.somewhere, and site.intheUS-hee-hee. > >Toto > > >Is there anyway to aviod the proxy??? please reply!! > > >Don Juan > > > >

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PGPMail Log File
by digitalis＠alias.cyberpass.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:22 AM 1/31/97 +0000, "Robert Rothenburg 'Walking-Owl'" < WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.comwrote: > Is there a way to disable the \WINDOWS\PGPW_32.LOG? > In subtle ways it's a security hole if left to accumulate over time, > since it keeps records of which keys you encrypted messages to. > (Imagine somebody using an anonymous remailer but g-d forbid is > unaware of this log file, and somebody discovers that messages were > encrypted to such a beast...) > I understand in certain group/corporate environs one would want > logging; in others, one doesn't need it or should have the option (in > an easily found place) to wipe it every once in a while. This is a damn good question. I do NOT have the "write to a log file" option slected in the misc. tab and it STILL writes a log file. How DO we disable this?

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Re: PGPMail 4.5 Released!
by David Farber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

And what happened to the $29 discount price they proposed for 2.6.3 users and viuacrypt users!!!!!!!!!!!! At 11:36 PM 1/30/97 -0800, Alan Olsen wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >PGPMail 4.5 is now available for ordering from PGP Inc. > >If you have Digicash or a credit card, you can order from the home page. (I >would not recommend the credit card option though. The form claims that it >is encrypted with SSL, but the info will be sent in the clear. Someone needs >to have a talk with their web master... This is not the first security >problem with their pages.) > >In using the betas, I have been pretty impressed. It works with Eudora >seamlessly. (Enough that I did not notice that it had installed itself >automatically instead of having to do a seperate install as the documentation >claimed.) The program beats out any of the plug-ins and front-ends for >integrating PGP and e-mail that I have seen yet. And for $29.95 for PGP >2.6.2 users, well worth the price... > >Disclaimer: >I have no financial stake in PGP Inc, not do I have controling interest in >the financial affairs of Mr. Zimmerman, liens on the souls of the damned, >control of the Aluminum Bavariati, eyes as big as my stomach, or the rites to >reproduce the descriptions of major league baseball games without permission >of the commisioner of Gotham City. > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 4.5 > >iQEVAwUBMvGgneQCP3v30CeZAQH6Twf9HiZQKt7j0SaB+bNRfrZv/zM3/K7F019Y >BfLE/OipkeWQQQNDm4KNbz36y58lBhZdXPTuJuyPoICrR3ixNbTz1+DVi3We3ARz >9OspLf74X9hGCw+oJxLTpG2zznBARH6rQ2Bsjh7orvrnvYLlmhjhnEkrShb2BhW6 >WuDSdmBfz7yk9iUFVzK6TAcxDv/gLH/hjS6PoTFtwoPKDp9aca4jPzr9scLUhETo >66qPdtLF8TYwzc5+G5/m6w7PJTCf/uyba7OyJ0EYqBDKR4AzqTaL4ZPMUQ8gw1DN >F0O/RhbaJMfRDtTQMNaMjR8tZXtO8fFrnQg9SC0jeoZ0/rhOy+0BnA== >=0TfD >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >--- >| If you're not part of the solution, You're part of the precipitate. | >|"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | >| mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | >|`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| >| http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com| > > >

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permanent e-mail adress..
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi there, to get a list of more than 50 permanent e-mail adress services (a la hotmail) send a _blank_ message to <fwdlist(a)netdirectories.com>... Have fun :) Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! --> http://www.eff.org */ /* E-mail: harka(a)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail preferred) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMuyaBzltEBIEF0MBAQH3kgf9EZUZnjv12RzGstwMbz0+1TnPUyPPM94e B6xuj1GAiFnabsLsDrc7yq3US+jnkDXz6kp7fCmLgP2m1ULYza8uNLSbYMBoHGJz SutSmhZrM3U220ZAnNiqVgMCVgma0Tj260bpnktZKWJtE5HhtNEz0VSmj4pusJ2K jWhc1BMhzYBhekMsxnyFyDsusjrHBumDTYoHG5ehqV2wDHzPUxvv9/4HDjrEaROT LcMA/J9JoKkDY6yLCjQ4q5/3aq58vBxbGlm7KilbjccffuyJRqWurwAaIBolLIqB X9mh8De6ubC/E2KfHVii+eXjDgliShQRt+8Fr4EfJeOLJu4qanIZHg== =1Ulw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Supporting JackBoots
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Webmaster, I would like to know if all of the material on your website is as suspect as that which concerns John Gilmore. The current jackboot censorship of what he has now declared to be his own private cypherpunks list has marked him as a laughable hypocrite. Is the EFF a joke, as well? Toto

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Geiger and long, unreadable lines
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- If Geiger's software works as well as his ongoing comprehension of the problem 90 to 100 character long mail message lines cause, we are all in trouble. mail which might be forwarded, commented a few times, etc. really works best with 72-74 characters maximum per line. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMvHtjr04kQrCC2kFAQHEeQP/UbYtlFD34UbhHhVbFIXjDxv4KjIb6tD7 y9pkoixaMHw3x2RABC6xjRcRGQ1pLo3ySLS/xbfEmAcR/kjKd2z2SpCSibspXi4n HZ41PnSaPYi2zptR4hQ4mG3d/7EjidVOF4RnMaWB+a0089GvGzYP2xK8YIGiIQBW lToR9lyqDGQ= =fSkd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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PGP Mail
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Does anyone know if PGP Mail works well with Netscape? I remember hearing about some problems, but don't recall seeing anything indicating they were fixed. Toto

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Re: Cats Out of Bags
by Duncan Frissell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 12:10 AM 1/31/97 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: >On this point, the other governments are correct. >It really _is_ tougher to maintain a nation-state when your >former subjects can have private conversations with each other >and with other governments' former subjects...... >And even 56 bits is a start. You don't have to be nice to nation states you meet on the way up if you're not coming back down. DCF

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misc. security url
by Anonymous 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

forwarded message... In> Subject: Computer Crime and Investigations Center In> I have put together a Computer Crime and Investigations Center In> URL: http://www.ovnet.com/~dckinder/crime.htm In> This page points you to sources of information pertaining to various In> issues relevant to Computer Crime and Security. In> Topics covered include: In> What Problems Can Arise In> An Ounce of Prevention... In> How it is done In> Detecting whether you have a problem In> Search and Seizure of Computer Equipment In> Is Big Brother Watching You? In> The Enigma of Encryption In> Viruses In> NT Security In> What issues are specific to the World Wide Web? In> Law Reviews In> General Sites In> Duncan Kinder In> dckinder(a)ovnet.com

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Re: uae_1.html
by Don Juan De Marco 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>jim bell wrote: > >> I wonder what these people will think when organizations like Teledesic and >> Iridium start operating (low-earth-orbit satellites) to allow >> totally-wireless connectivity. It seems to me that there will be a market >> for services that allow anonymous browsing, perhaps with encrypted requests >> that return otherwise-unidentified data on a publicly-accessible airwaves. > > Think of the possibility of satellite-fed 'roving' InterNet sites. > What will be the 'export' implications of sending crypto to a place >such as site.nowhere, site.somewhere, and site.intheUS-hee-hee. > >Toto > > >Is there anyway to aviod the proxy??? please reply!! > > >Don Juan > > > >

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Geiger and long, unreadable lines
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- If Geiger's software works as well as his ongoing comprehension of the problem 90 to 100 character long mail message lines cause, we are all in trouble. mail which might be forwarded, commented a few times, etc. really works best with 72-74 characters maximum per line. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: Encrypted with 2.6.3i. Requires 2.6 or later. iQCVAwUBMvHtjr04kQrCC2kFAQHEeQP/UbYtlFD34UbhHhVbFIXjDxv4KjIb6tD7 y9pkoixaMHw3x2RABC6xjRcRGQ1pLo3ySLS/xbfEmAcR/kjKd2z2SpCSibspXi4n HZ41PnSaPYi2zptR4hQ4mG3d/7EjidVOF4RnMaWB+a0089GvGzYP2xK8YIGiIQBW lToR9lyqDGQ= =fSkd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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permanent e-mail adress..
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hi there, to get a list of more than 50 permanent e-mail adress services (a la hotmail) send a _blank_ message to <fwdlist(a)netdirectories.com>... Have fun :) Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! --> http://www.eff.org */ /* E-mail: harka(a)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail preferred) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMuyaBzltEBIEF0MBAQH3kgf9EZUZnjv12RzGstwMbz0+1TnPUyPPM94e B6xuj1GAiFnabsLsDrc7yq3US+jnkDXz6kp7fCmLgP2m1ULYza8uNLSbYMBoHGJz SutSmhZrM3U220ZAnNiqVgMCVgma0Tj260bpnktZKWJtE5HhtNEz0VSmj4pusJ2K jWhc1BMhzYBhekMsxnyFyDsusjrHBumDTYoHG5ehqV2wDHzPUxvv9/4HDjrEaROT LcMA/J9JoKkDY6yLCjQ4q5/3aq58vBxbGlm7KilbjccffuyJRqWurwAaIBolLIqB X9mh8De6ubC/E2KfHVii+eXjDgliShQRt+8Fr4EfJeOLJu4qanIZHg== =1Ulw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: PGPMail 4.5 Released!
by David Farber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

And what happened to the $29 discount price they proposed for 2.6.3 users and viuacrypt users!!!!!!!!!!!! At 11:36 PM 1/30/97 -0800, Alan Olsen wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >PGPMail 4.5 is now available for ordering from PGP Inc. > >If you have Digicash or a credit card, you can order from the home page. (I >would not recommend the credit card option though. The form claims that it >is encrypted with SSL, but the info will be sent in the clear. Someone needs >to have a talk with their web master... This is not the first security >problem with their pages.) > >In using the betas, I have been pretty impressed. It works with Eudora >seamlessly. (Enough that I did not notice that it had installed itself >automatically instead of having to do a seperate install as the documentation >claimed.) The program beats out any of the plug-ins and front-ends for >integrating PGP and e-mail that I have seen yet. And for $29.95 for PGP >2.6.2 users, well worth the price... > >Disclaimer: >I have no financial stake in PGP Inc, not do I have controling interest in >the financial affairs of Mr. Zimmerman, liens on the souls of the damned, >control of the Aluminum Bavariati, eyes as big as my stomach, or the rites to >reproduce the descriptions of major league baseball games without permission >of the commisioner of Gotham City. > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: 4.5 > >iQEVAwUBMvGgneQCP3v30CeZAQH6Twf9HiZQKt7j0SaB+bNRfrZv/zM3/K7F019Y >BfLE/OipkeWQQQNDm4KNbz36y58lBhZdXPTuJuyPoICrR3ixNbTz1+DVi3We3ARz >9OspLf74X9hGCw+oJxLTpG2zznBARH6rQ2Bsjh7orvrnvYLlmhjhnEkrShb2BhW6 >WuDSdmBfz7yk9iUFVzK6TAcxDv/gLH/hjS6PoTFtwoPKDp9aca4jPzr9scLUhETo >66qPdtLF8TYwzc5+G5/m6w7PJTCf/uyba7OyJ0EYqBDKR4AzqTaL4ZPMUQ8gw1DN >F0O/RhbaJMfRDtTQMNaMjR8tZXtO8fFrnQg9SC0jeoZ0/rhOy+0BnA== >=0TfD >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >--- >| If you're not part of the solution, You're part of the precipitate. | >|"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | >| mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | >|`finger -l alano(a)teleport.com` for PGP 2.6.2 key | behind the keyboard.| >| http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan(a)ctrl-alt-del.com| > > >

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PGPMail Log File
by digitalis＠alias.cyberpass.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 02:22 AM 1/31/97 +0000, "Robert Rothenburg 'Walking-Owl'" < WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.comwrote: > Is there a way to disable the \WINDOWS\PGPW_32.LOG? > In subtle ways it's a security hole if left to accumulate over time, > since it keeps records of which keys you encrypted messages to. > (Imagine somebody using an anonymous remailer but g-d forbid is > unaware of this log file, and somebody discovers that messages were > encrypted to such a beast...) > I understand in certain group/corporate environs one would want > logging; in others, one doesn't need it or should have the option (in > an easily found place) to wipe it every once in a while. This is a damn good question. I do NOT have the "write to a log file" option slected in the misc. tab and it STILL writes a log file. How DO we disable this?

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Re: Cats Out of Bags
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> "When I talk to other governments," [David L. Aaron] said, > "they still don't feel that the cat is out of the bag." Aaron's denying that the cat is out of the bag? He was fashionably dressed in a Lion Tamer's outfit, waving a whip, and trying to herd hundreds of small furry mammals to jump through a hoop and back into a clawed-up army duffel-bag! "Cats? Haven't seen any cats around here! Pay no attention to these,umm, Siberian Hamsters that I'm evaluating for export approval." > "Other governments were upset with the 56-bit export allowance. > They said it was going to undermine their national security." On this point, the other governments are correct. It really _is_ tougher to maintain a nation-state when your former subjects can have private conversations with each other and with other governments' former subjects...... And even 56 bits is a start. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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17 Dec '03

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Re: Geiger and long, unreadable lines
by William H. Geiger III 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In <199701311303.GAA01678(a)infowest.com>, on 01/31/97 at 12:58 PM, "Attila T. Hun" <attila(a)primenet.com> said: > If Geiger's software works as well as his ongoing comprehension of > the problem 90 to 100 character long mail message lines cause, we > are all in trouble. > mail which might be forwarded, commented a few times, etc. really > works best with 72-74 characters maximum per line. Well considering that we are approaching the 21st Century I think it is a little silly that one should have to worry about the line length in an e-mail message. Even the dos based programs from the 80's could handle wordwraping of displayed text. <sigh> for the benifit of those misfortunate enough to be still working on dumb terminals I have disabled my PGP script until I have time to add a word wrap routine to it. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.amaranth.com/~whgiii Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. Finger whgiii(a)amaranth.com for PGP Key and other info ----------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: One man's Windows are another man's walls.

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Re: PGPMail Log File
by wlkngowl＠unix.asb.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On 31 Jan 1997 09:27:45 -0500, you wrote: >At 02:22 AM 1/31/97 +0000, "Robert Rothenburg 'Walking-Owl'" >< WlkngOwl(a)unix.asb.comwrote: >> Is there a way to disable the \WINDOWS\PGPW_32.LOG? >> In subtle ways it's a security hole if left to accumulate over time, >> since it keeps records of which keys you encrypted messages to. >> [..] >> I understand in certain group/corporate environs one would want >> logging; in others, one doesn't need it or should have the option (in >> an easily found place) to wipe it every once in a while. >This is a damn good question. I do NOT have the "write to a log file" >option slected in the misc. tab and it STILL writes a log file. How DO >we disable this? Well, I just found that option to uncheck it (thanks to your message) so I'll try it w/the log file unchecked and see what happens. (Duh!) Rob

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Disappearing articles?
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

We already know that Sandy's bot automatically discards submissions from people he doesn't like, irrespective of contents. In the past the rejected articles were tossed to the "flames" list. Now Sandy has gone one step further. The following article criticized the product Sandy is paid to peddle. It showed up on the 'unedited' list, but Sandy hated its contents so much that it hasn't made it to EITHER censored or the 'flames' list! This is the beginning of the censored article: To: cypherpunks(a)toad.com Subject: Security alert!!! From: dlv(a)bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM) Comments: All power to the ZOG! Message-Id: <aw5c2D4w165w(a)bwalk.dm.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:15:21 EST Organization: Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y. Sender: owner-cypherpunks(a)toad.com Precedence: bulk WARNING: There's a rogue trojan horse out there on the internet known as the "stronghold web server". It's actually a hacked-up version of Apache with a backdoor, which allows hackers (or whoever knows the backdoor) to steal credit card numbers and other confidentil information on the Internet. Be careful! Always use encryption. Do not send confidential information 9such as passwords and credit card numbers) to any site running the trojan horse "stronghold". In general, beware of "snake oil" security products and hacked-up versions of free software. Please repost this warning to all relevant computer security forums. (rest snipped to save bandwidth) --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Georgia court hears testimony in anonymity case, from TNNN
by Declan McCullagh 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 08:33:44 -0800 (PST) From: Declan McCullagh <declan(a)well.com> To: fight-censorship(a)vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Georgia court hears testimony, future of free speech, from TNNN The Netly News Network http://netlynews.com/ Brick By Brick by Declan McCullagh (declan(a)well.com) January 31, 1997 ATLANTA, Ga.-- A federal judge heard testimony yesterday in a landmark case challenging a Georgia law that forbids anonymity online. The ACLU filed the lawsuit -- the first-ever challenge to a state Net-censorship statute -- last September on behalf of 14 plaintiffs, arguing that the statute is unconstitutional. The law also criminalizes the "unauthorized" use of company names online. It is so broadly written, the ACLU claims, that America Online screen names could be considered illegal. Yesterday's hearing was designed to educate U.S. District Court Judge Marvin Shoob about the Net, in much the same way that lawyers educated a three-judge panel that struck down the Communications Decency Act in Philadelphia in June 1996. It began with a Georgia Tech professor who painstakingly demonstrated how the Internet works. "This pointing device in the middle of the screen is the cursor," he said. The lawsuit is one of many that will shape the future of free expression in cyberspace -- and new media. The Georgia challenge seems straightforward, but in truth is a key part of the ACLU's strategy to cement a foundation of legal precedents that will build on one another, brick by statutory brick, and solidify into a framework for free speech on the Internet. The most fierce battlefield, however, will be in state capitols and courtrooms like these. More than 20 states already have launched various offensives against the Net, but the ACLU is choosing its battles carefully. Depending on how Judge Shoob rules, near-perfect anonymous speech may, for the first time in history, be completely legal -- at least in one federal district. In a move that could derail congressional attempts to rehabilitate the CDA if the high court strikes it down, the ACLU assailed a New York State law banning sexual images that are "harmful to minors." The organization also is planning to sue in Virginia, Florida and California, highlighting a different legal point in each case. True, the decisions won't be binding on other courts -- unlike, say, a U.S. Supreme Court ruling -- but in such a new area of the law, judges will grasp at even district court precedents. "You can't underestimate the importance," said ACLU attorney Chris Hansen. "The law works through precedent. Each case builds on the one before it." Key to the strategy is the argument that states can't regulate speech on the Internet at all. It's a nuclear bomb of a legal theory, which relies on the Constitution's commerce clause and on Supreme Court cases that bar states from controlling "commerce that takes place wholly outside of the state's borders." The coalition's brief offers Usenet newsgroups as an example: "The posting of this message in California, therefore, may subject the California author to prosecution in Georgia under the Act." The state countered that local standards should always apply. Daniel Formby, Georgia's deputy attorney general, said yesterday: "You do not have to enter a state to violate its laws." Free-speech victories in states such as Georgia would permit netizens to bypass the strict controls on television and radio that ban the transmission of "indecent" words or images. When the Internet starts carrying movies and soaps, the stronger free-speech standards of cyberspace will extend to those broadcasts. "We gain stronger First Amendment rights for other media when they converge, as the Internet absorbs other technologies," said ACLU attorney Ann Beeson. Sitting quietly in the rear of the Atlanta courtroom throughout the hearing was State Rep. Don Parsons, who with the Democratic leadership introduced the Georgia law last spring. Parsons insists the ACLU's challenge is wrongheaded. Does the law ban anonymous speech? "Certainly not! Absolutely not!" he claimed. So what was the purpose behind the the law? To prevent fraud, said Parsons. But that's not what I found. The genesis of the bizarre Georgia law lies not in policies as much as in rank statehouse politics. I went looking for Georgia's Speaker of the House and found him in his office. He leaned back in his chair and chewed on a cigar. A 72-year old Democrat, Thomas Murphy has reigned over the state House of Representatives for 24 years from an office studded with stuffed rabbits and bobcats and conveniently adjacent to the House floor. Yesterday, he declined to discuss the measure. "I can't tell you anything about it because I don't know anything about it or computers or the Internet or anything like that," he said. But he knows politics, and his enemies, especially Rep. Mitchell Kaye, a fellow who fancies himself the Newt Gingrich of the Georgia legislature. Like Gingrich, Kaye is a technocratic Republican hailing from bluenose Cobb County, and like pre-1994 Gingrich, he sees himself as waging guerrilla warfare against a corrupt and entrenched Democratic majority. Dem leaders are equally uncomplimentary. "None of us likes Mr. Kaye... No manners towards anyone. He tries to cause all the confusion he can," Speaker Murphy grumbled. Indeed, the whole statutory mess began shortly after Kaye created his own web site, www.gahouse.com, which he uses to post legislation, contact information and some partisan pages for his conservative caucus. It proved popular, drawing thousands of visitors a week -- and the wrath of lawmakers such as Speaker Murphy, longtime veterans of traditional machine politics. It was Kaye's use of the state seal on his site -- even with appropriate disclaimers -- that handed Democrats a way to muzzle him through the law the ACLU has challenged. The irony is, of course, that the Georgia Democrats never intended to ban all anonymous and pseudonymous discussions. They never believed they'd be attacked in court by a team of New York City lawyers. But by punishing anyone who "uses any individual name... to falsely identify the person" -- even without intent to deceive -- their law censors not just Mitchell Kaye, but netizens as well. "The last thing they want is sunshine on this case," said the upstart Republican, who joined the suit as one of the plaintiffs. "They pass a lot of unconstitutional legislation around here." ###

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"Secret" Postal Device stolen
by Jim Ray 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- from http://www.herald.com/dade/digdocs/021949.htm Postal Service offers $25,000 reward for stolen . . . something By ARNOLD MARKOWITZ Herald Staff Writer U.S. mail carriers carry more than just the U.S. mail. They carry something else so secret that nobody outside the Postal Service knows about it -- except four crooks who steal them from letter carriers on the streets of Miami. There's a $25,000 reward for tips producing capture and conviction. ... Comments? Please direct any replies for the list to me also, as I am still on Ray's FCPUNX, which I suppose makes this list double-filtered for me now, if a little delayed. :-) Typically, I now care what the mystery device is, since the occasionally-disgruntled ones don't want me to know. JMR -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEPAwUBMvIhGzUhsGSn1j2pAQEp5wfPQ1YsiZviksusdbdVQHBz9yKMOSt5z3Ue Utlmxzx8RExqjaTc/cSLORf55pBWbJiDFB+a+ev09I2iZujq7nlNNCZNI0NaHw2L RObAjBQ4YT7sekWYMw81y08zH9x49OmAhh7CCh2qzh5ZyQ0qc3YdFzmc8F00+jdW J9ZsXSvJaBS+Jvh/eIPH+IlD873hyk6T4Nrayt0xt2z6Ajvst0XK5vOLkeJobZg3 +x8IyS26/bcrWGkKD/4rK81/QDmLIyHG7oWzaJAR1q6UKCad0C1w6/i2dwWtWV1v RyXfyYTgXi8XPbieBL7RZmP0j3A0xqlCr4PASMuZskBa+g== =Kspp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Regards, Jim Ray <jmr(a)shopmiami.com> DNRC Minister of Encryption Advocacy One of the "legitimate concerns of law enforcement" seems to be that I was born innocent until proven guilty and not the other way around. -- me http://shopmiami.com/prs/jimray/ PGP id.A7D63DA9 98 1F 39 BA 93 86 B4 F5 57 52 64 0E DA BA 2C 71

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