December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: DES and RSA crypto hardware from the free world
by bs-org＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:32 1997-02-15 -0200, John Ioannidis wrote: Sorry to correct you, but uti-maco is an old german company ... >I believe uti-Maco (a belgian company) has been using the Pijnenburg chips >for their boards. However, last I checked with them (about half a year ago) >the price of the boards was pretty steep -- of the order of $1K. > >Anyway, if the boards Peter is referring to are ready in the next couple >of months, I volunteer to write drivers for Linux and *BSD*. > >/ji >

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DFA
by pjb＠23kgroup.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

does anyone know what has happened to DFA, and the people who just a few months ago were publishing such encouraging results? have they gone underground, or perhaps been put underground, in a rather permanent way? isn't it strange how quite it has been on this subject? cheers, -paul

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Cypherpunks FAQ
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 10:40:15 -0600 (CST) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" <ichudov(a)algebra.com> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> > Cc: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Subject: Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up" > > aga wrote: > > I have mail.cypherpunks though, and I thought that was > > the usenet newsgroup for cypherpunks. > > > > let's see what dejanews says about this one. > > > > How about every posting to alt.underground for the time being, > > until we get this matter settled? > > > > John, > > I think that you would be the best author for writing the official > alt.cypherpunks FAQ. I have no doubt that many readers will appreciate > your effort and it will win you a lot of new points with them. > > One thing is, you have a lot of ideas, and two, your writing style is > very good (you are a law doctor after all). > > The FAQ should not be necessarily very big. > > - Igor. > But I have never been on the cypherpunks mailing list. I only got involved because they were in the header of some F-K list mail. And I think that Dr. Vulis would be much better qualified than I would be. My Doctorate was in Law, but Dimitri did his in math and/or cryptography, which is more appropriate. All I can say is that it should be a list where everybody is required to state their sex and sexual orientation up front. And the rule MUST BE that you are a queer by default. We MUST have a correct sexual definition up front, and nobody is allowed to say, "I refuse to state my sexuality" because we then know that they are closet homosexuals. what we want is the truth up front. BTW, all five of the newsgroups in this header are available through dejanews for posting to, if you use them in the current order. the a.g.g. newsgroup ate dejanews gets your article posted to ANY other newsgroup, including alt.cypherpunks and cypherpunks.cunt

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FBI_100
by Patrick May 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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DFA
by Paul J. Bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

does anyone know what has happened to DFA, and the people who just a few months ago were publishing such encouraging results? have they gone underground, or perhaps been put underground, in a rather permanent way? isn't it strange how quite it has been on this subject? cheers, -paul

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Re: The EFF
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Dale Thorn wrote: > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:43:51 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: Toto <toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca> > Cc: cypherpunks(a)algebra.com, cypherpunks(a)toad.com, > freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Subject: Re: The EFF > > Toto wrote: > > Timothy C. May wrote: > > > At 9:36 AM -0800 2/14/97, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > It is my (limited) understanding that the EFF has discovered that > > the support that comes with private philanthropy from will o'wisp > > Bay Area 'liberals' doesn't carry the terrible burden of having to > > compete for the petty contributions of the UnRich. > > I have a brother-in-law who gives seminars to the Nouveau Riche in > > the Bay Area, teaching them how to give their money away to 'good' > > causes. I believe that one of the prime considerations in separating > > the 'good' causes from the 'bad' causes has something to do with the > > the proper wine being served with the cheese and cracker offerings > > during their cocktail parties. > > Wine and cheese are the key. You hit that one on the head. I tried > those Mensa parties in Beverly Hills a few times, but the girls want > you to kiss their hands like some kinda princesses or something, > whereas I think a simple handshake would suffice. So I just quit > going. Maybe this has something to do with why there are no c-punks > meetings in the L.A. area. > Dale, so you are in mensa? Did you have to take a test?

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Re: DES and RSA crypto hardware from the free world
by bs-org＠c2.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 21:32 1997-02-15 -0200, John Ioannidis wrote: Sorry to correct you, but uti-maco is an old german company ... >I believe uti-Maco (a belgian company) has been using the Pijnenburg chips >for their boards. However, last I checked with them (about half a year ago) >the price of the boards was pretty steep -- of the order of $1K. > >Anyway, if the boards Peter is referring to are ready in the next couple >of months, I volunteer to write drivers for Linux and *BSD*. > >/ji >

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Re: Dave Hayes takes over Cypherpunks
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 09:35:27 -0600 (CST) > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" <ichudov(a)algebra.com> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> > Cc: ichudov(a)algebra.com, toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca, freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org, > cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > Subject: Re: Dave Hayes takes over Cypherpunks > > aga wrote: > > On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > > > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:07:40 -0600 (CST) > > > From: "Igor Chudov @ home" <ichudov(a)algebra.com> > > > To: aga <aga(a)dhp.com> > > > Cc: toto(a)sk.sympatico.ca, freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org, > > > cypherpunks(a)algebra.com > > > Subject: Re: Dave Hayes takes over Cypherpunks > > > > > > > ====================================== > > > > == This list is still experimental. == > > > > == admin ichudov(a)algebra.com == > > > > ====================================== > > > > > > > > > > Just fyi, I am removing this footer from the list config. > > > > > > It was here so that people could tell that the list was new and > > > glitches were likely to happen. > > > > > > > O.K. what are you doing, Igor? Is this a new cypherpunks list? > > This is ONE OF new cypherpunks lists. These lists will soon be > connected to each other so that people subscribed to any of them > will receive all article sent to each list. > > Kinda like USENET. > 10-4 It is like a new hierarchy, huh? {;-)-~ cmsg newgroup cypherpunks.cunt

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Re: Crypto code published in magazines
by Adam Back 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Peter Gutmann <pgut001(a)cs.auckland.ac.nz> writes: > I'm trying to find instances of crypto code published in computer > magazines i n the last few years. I know of Blowfish in DDJ, are > there cases of more mainstream computer mags like Byte publishing > crypto code (I know Byte did DES in 1977, I'm hoping for something a > bit more recent)?. Well this code (an implementation of RSA) appeared in UK Computer Shopper (largest readership computer mag in UK) by Charlie Stross: print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc` (actually it was some earlier version of the code) Other media appearances include: - A picture of the shirt in Nova magazine (a French publication) - Shirt on Nulle Part Ailleurs (French cabal TV talk show) - Shirt Japanese edition of Wired - Shirt in US version of Wired - Richard White's tattoo of the program in UK Wired - Shirt in BBC Open Univ program (educational program on encryption) - Picture of label with program on New York Times All of those apart from the last would probably be readable from the source code, or from the bar code. [Do KISS do image enhancement also? :-)] (some pics on: http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/shirt/media.html http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/ ) Adam -- print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<> )]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<J]dsJxp"|dc`

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Dale: What a laff!
by Huge Cajones Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:42:11 -0800 From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> Dale sagely wrote: :Wine and cheese are the key. You hit that one on the head. I tried :those Mensa parties in Beverly Hills a few times. Oh what a kidder this Dale is. At Mensa party no less!! Whatta farce! Still love you fella.

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Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up"
by aga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Sat, 15 Feb 1997, Dale Thorn wrote: > Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 18:21:07 -0800 > From: Dale Thorn <dthorn(a)gte.net> > Reply-To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > To: freedom-knights(a)jetcafe.org > Cc: ichudov(a)algebra.com, dave(a)kachina.jetcafe.org, cypherpunks(a)toad.com > Subject: Re: Moderation experiment almost over; "put up or shut up" > > Kent Crispin wrote: > > Dale Thorn allegedly said: > > > If I understood the last several hundred messages correctly, they have > > > tried to make the point that the cypherpunks mailing list (unedited) > > > was more ideal than a newsgroup. If this is what Dave is offering, > > > I'm surprised if more people don't jump on it. Then again, they > > > took their good ol' time jumping onto cypherpunks-unedited. > > > Dave is offering a single mailing list, which, while I am sure Dave is > > a great person, still represents a single point of control and a > > single point of failure. A distributed mailing list has a potential > > for being much more robust, and for supporting a wide range of > > viewpoints. Furthermore a distributed mailing list is an interesting > > minor technical problem, and a good solution could have wide > > applicability. > > So I think that people would like to get the distributed list going... > > I hope this doesn't duplicate the earlier message - if someone were > tracking all this activity and kept the lists informed about what > was available where - and particularly if the downloading could be > automatic as in the subscription lists - that would be ideal. > > I wanted to spend some time on alt.cypherpunks, but I haven't got > thru the subscription mail for the last few days yet. If there's > a scheme that works better than just ad-hoc looking, I'd sure like > to know. > You mean there is an alt.cypherpunks mailing list? That is not on my server. I have mail.cypherpunks though, and I thought that was the usenet newsgroup for cypherpunks. let's see what dejanews says about this one. How about every posting to alt.underground for the time being, until we get this matter settled?

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Re: (fwd) DES challenge organisation
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> How the hell do I get OFF this list ?? Say something herr Gilmore doesn`t like and you`ll be off the list in no time. Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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Re: (fwd) DES challenge organisation
by Thomas S. 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi! (wow, what a distribution. I should mention that des-challenge is down this weekend, so the response may not be as expected.) >>>>> "Timothy" == Timothy C May <tcmay(a)got.net> writes: Timothy> At 11:02 PM +0000 2/15/97, Adam Back wrote: >> Thomas S <ths(a)fh28.fa.umist.ac.uk> writes: >>> [...] >>> >>> 5. The prize money will be split equally between Gutenberg and >>> EFF. There is a possibility of using part of it for stickers >>> or something similar, but don't count on it. >> Not a good idea. >> >> How can this be enforced? The RSADSI DES challenge is open to >> all comers, and how do you prove that someone who finds the key >> found it through this group effort? The client reports the key to the server, not to the user (very simple, and very simple ways to get around of course). In a nutshell: we can't enforce it, at least I can't see a way to do so. We certainly can't keep people from doing their own "treasure hunt". ... Timothy> A 2-4x factor is significant, and may warrant a Timothy> coordinated search. However, the various problems Timothy> implicit in coordinated searches are factors, too. Timothy> Also, an uncoordinated search solves the "prize" problem, Timothy> as whomever finds the key makes the contact with RSADSI. Indeed--that's what we try to avoid. Our project is not a race for money, it is a demonstration with a political impact. The main point in favour of a coordinated search is the availability of progress reports. Nobody can argue that the key was found by chance--as there is exact data about performance and the expected maximum duration for the search. Timothy> One of the problems with a coordinated search, if the Timothy> remaining keyspace to be doled out is publically Timothy> announced, is that as the keyspace is searched and a key Timothy> _not_ found, the remaining keyspace is increasingly more Timothy> tempting for "independent searchers" to search. Sort of Timothy> the way the odds on some lotteries actually become Timothy> "acceptable" as the lottery pot grows. The organizer of Timothy> the coordinated search must then, I surmise, keep the Timothy> assignments secret and dole out keyspace securely. This is a technical problem which is discussed at the moment. The keyspace will not be publically announced (and it wasn't during the last project). Thomas -- OOOO, OOOOOOOO, |, ths(a)rz.tu-ilmenau.de OO, OO, O, O, |, http://www.rz.tu-ilmenau.de/~ths/ O, O, O, |, ______ __ ___ O, O--O, O, O, |, | (_ |-|-` O, O, O, |, |homas __)te| |en OO, OO, O, O, |, OOOO, OOOOOOOO, |, not to be forwarded without permission

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ANNOUNCE:- RSAEuro
by rsaeuro＠sourcery.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

ANNOUNCE:- RSAEuro Version 1.04 (Internet) and 1.10 (Commercial) ================================================================ What is RSAEuro? ---------------- RSAEuro is a cryptographic toolkit providing various functions for the use of digital signatures, data encryption and supporting areas (PEM encoding, random number generation etc). To aid compatibility with existing software, RSAEuro is call-compatible with RSADSI's "RSAREF(tm)" toolkit. RSAEuro allows non-US residents to make use of much of the cryptographic software previously only (legally) available in the US. RSAEuro contains support for the following: * RSA encryption, decryption and key generation. Compatible with 'RSA Laboratories' Public-Key Cryptography Standard (PKCS) #1. * Generation and verification of message digests using MD2, MD4, MD5 and SHS (SHS currently not implemented in higher-level functions to maintain compatibility with PKCS). * DES encryption and decryption using CBC (1, 2 or 3 keys using Encrypt-Decrypt-Encrypt) and DESX(tm), RSADSI's secure DES enhancement. Blowfish and RRC.2 encryption and decryption using CBC (available in commercial versions only). * Diffie-Hellman key agreement as defined in PKCS #3. * PEM support support for RFC 1421 encoded ASCII data with all main functions. * Key routines implemented in assembler for speed (80386 and 680x0 currently supported). * Much improved library documentation with code samples. International Use ----------------- IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please do not distribute or use this software in the US it is 'illegal' to use this toolkit in the US, as RSADSI and Cylink hold patents relating to public-key cryptography. If you are a US resident, please use the RSAREF toolkit instead. On The Web ---------- RSAEuro can now be found at http://www.sourcery.demon.co.uk/RSAEuro.html Author Details -------------- With comments and suggestions, please address them to Stephen Kapp, at 'rsaeuro(a)sourcery.demon.co.uk', for documentation comments suggestions please address them to Nick Barron, at 'nikb(a)sourcery.demon.co.uk' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- RSAEURO: rsaeuro(a)sourcery.demon.co.uk RSAEURO Bugs: rsaeuro-bugs(a)sourcery.demon.co.uk Tel: +44 (0) 468 286034 Http: http://www.sourcery.demon.co.uk/rsaann.html RSAEURO - Copyright (c) J.S.A.Kapp 1994-1996. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Re: DFA
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Paul Bell wrote: >does anyone know what has happened to DFA, and the people who >just a few months ago were publishing such encouraging results? There seems be sustained investigation of DFA, offensive and defensive, by Biham and Shamir, by Anderson and Kuhn, by the Bellcore team, by Quisquater and others. However, the smartcard manufacturers appear to have a role in dampening publicity about the ongoing research, or at least diminishing the claims of effectiveness of DFA. Carol Francher, of Motorola, for example, writes in February IEEE Spectrum: Technology is a wonderful thing but criminals, too, can use it as new equipment and techniques become available or less expensive the barriers to cracking a system may weaken. Recently Bellcore announced a paper, "Cryptanalysis in the presence of hardware faults" (available at www.bellcore.com) that proposed a theoretical method for breaking an asymmetric encryption code once a computer (or a smartcard microcontroller) had been forced into faulty behavior. The Smart Card Forum, a multi-industry membership organization headquartered in Tampa, Fla., has stated that it does not regard this approach as a real-world risk, since in smartcard applications more than one technique is used to protect the security of the entire system. But the Bellcore methodology for breaking algorithms -- as well as similar theoretical approaches, such as the one taken by two Israeli researchers, Eli Biham and Adi Shamir -- highlights the need to analyze and evolve the security of any system continually. -- "In your pocket: smartcards." <http://jya.com/tee08.htm> Several of the DFA-type researchers have commented on the smartcard industry's reluctance to publicize security weaknesses when the push is on to increase consumer trust and use; see, for example, Anderson and Kuhn at: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/tamper.html Quisquater and the SG group also note the reluctance of smartcard mass-marketers to own up to security shortcomings of which their own engineers know and fret. Meanwhile, the DFA proponents and opponents are eagerly absorbing the continuing DFA-relatged reports, quietly watching one another, and both sides eying the booming smartcard market for lucrative rewards, as Ms. Francher suggests: licit and il.

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No Subject
by Bovine Remailer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy May must have been sharing needles with a rabid hedgehog. o o Timothy May o \_/

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Thanks to John Gilmore for running cypherpunks mailing list
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, cypherpunks(a)toad.com goes down in four days. I would like to thank John Gilmore for all his efforts that he spent to run the list. Administering a huge mailing list like cypherpunks is a tough job, requiring a lot of dedication, time and patience. John, along with other cypherpunks, created a unique online community that generated many valuable ideas. This community helped a great deal to increase crypto awareness of the masses. I personally joined cypherpunks for very arkane reasons, but later found out a lot of useful information. The moderation experiment failed by many reasons, but the last month should not distract us from what John did over last several years. Again, thanks to John for his work. - Igor.

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Proposed info file
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, The text below is what I wrote for cypherpunks(a)algebra.com to be sent to new subscribers. Feel free to criticize. - Igor. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ About cypherpunks mailing lists ------------------------------- * * * ATTENTION: PLEASE SAVE THIS MESSAGE IN A MAIL FOLDER!!! IT WILL BE * * * HELPFUL FOR YOU WHEN YOU WANT TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM cypherpunks MAILING * * * LIST. * * * * * * DO NOT JUST DELETE THIS MESSAGE. I. Administrivia (please read, boring though it may be) The cypherpunks list cypherpunks(a)algebra.com is one of the cypherpunks mailing lists discussing cryptography, privacy, and social issues relating to them. These lists are connected to each other in such a way that all messages appear on all of these lists. All of these lists are high-volume mailing lists. There are several reasons for existence of multiple mailing lists that are inter-subscribed. 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About cypherpunks The cypherpunks list is not designed for beginners, although they are welcome. If you are totally new to crypto, please get and read the crypto FAQ referenced below. This document is a good introduction, although not short. Crypto is a subtle field and a good understanding will not come without some study. Please, as a courtesy to all, do some reading to make sure that your question is not already frequently asked. There are other forums to use on the subject of cryptography. The Usenet group sci.crypt deals with technical cryptography; cypherpunks deals with technical details but slants the discussion toward their social implications. The Usenet group talk.politics.crypto, as is says, is for political theorizing, and cypherpunks gets its share of that, but cypherpunks is all pro-crypto; the debates on this list are about how to best get crypto out there. 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If you feel that some poster's articles are not useful and offensive to you, you can set up your mail reading software to ignore all articles coming from that person. Ignoring them silently has shown to be the best way of dealing with them. It will save you a lot of your own time. Even though you are free do write anything, please consider not following up to their posts with suggestions to shut them up. It only decreases usefulness of this mailing list. Eudora for Windows is known for its mail filtering capability. Procmail is a tool of choice for Unix users who want to filter their articles. Please read the documentation for these programs to find out how to set them to filter and delete unwanted messages. None of the above precludes the administrator of this mailing list to use tools protecting his hardware and bandwidth from denial of service attacks. If someone maliciously mailbombs cypherpunks mailing list, the mail bombs may be silently ignored and not passed on to the list. 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Bruce Schneier's _Applied Cryptography_, published by Wiley This is required reading for any serious technical cypherpunk (and there are no non-technical cypherpunks). An excellent overview of the field, it describes many of the basic algorithms and protocols with their mathematical descriptions. Some of the stuff at the edges of the scope of the book is a little incomplete, so short descriptions in here should lead to library research for the latest papers, or to the list for the current thinking. All in all, a solid and valuable book. It's even got the cypherpunks-request address. Enjoy and deploy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Cypherpunks assume privacy is a good thing and wish there were more of it. Cypherpunks acknowledge that those who want privacy must create it for themselves and not expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless organizations to grant them privacy out of beneficence. 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'Jim Beam' me up, Scotty!
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

scribve cypherpunks-thenextgeneration "Dr. Spook" <6UALDV8(a)cyberspace.9>

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Re: Query on "secure databases"
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi, Peter - here's my previous posting, with an addendum, Cc: cypherpunks At 04:43 PM 2/11/97 -0500, Peter Swire <swire.1(a)osu.edu> wrote: > Can you point me to anything I can read on "secure databases"? I >hadn't hit that term before. I am curious to what extent they are secure >due to cryptographic approaches, or to what extent you rely on other >mechanisms for keeping out unauthorized users. It's been a long time since I've looked much into it, since I was getting out of phone-company-defense-contractor mode at the time the field was developing. I think the NCSC Rainbow Book that deals with secure databases is the Purple Book, though it might be the Gray. Oracle and/or Sybase have done some work trying to do databases at the B1 or B2 level, but I don't know details. I'll talk about secure databases a bit, but for the real world there's more useful stuff that isn't related to them. =================== Begin "Secure Database" Section ============== At the time, the Orange Book (security for standalone computers) was well-understood, though there weren't really any systems above B2 level, and the Red Book was written, but nobody really had a clue how to implement multi-level machines on a multi-level LAN, though you could use encrypting Ethernet cards to get single-level machines of different levels on the same LAN, if they were all administered by the same group of people (so user-IDs and security levels worked across the entire system.) At the lower security levels, Orange Book techniques mainly involve removing bugs and adding accounting features. At the higher levels, the key is to come up with a good mathematical/logical model of interactions in your computer system, and then design a computer system that only does the things permitted by the model and prove it does that. Some of these systems use cryptographic techniques, including some of the capability-based systems - see Bill Frantz's KeyKOS work, which he's referred to on Cypherpunks occasionally. The objective is to have databases that can be accessed by multiple users with different sets of security permissions. In the military vernacular, this mainly means having UNCLASSIFIED, CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET, and maybe TOP SECRET data in the database, where not all users are cleared to the highest security level, and maybe projects X, Y, and Z, where users of project X may not have a need to know for project Y, etc. The easy problems are probably solved by now - either you do a good job of verifying the design and bug-free-ness of your database software so you can be sure that each request includes, and obeys, security levels, or you use crypto to encrypt the data items for each security level (e.g. everybody with a SECRET or PROJECT Z clearance shares a key for that data, which isn't really ideal for non-small groups of people, the database just tries to do a good job, and you only do operations in the database that make sense when the data is encrypted, though that's annoyingly restrictive for many applications.) The sticky problems are aggregation-related. It may be ok if an uncleared person knows that military base A has missile types 1, 3, and 5, and if the uncleared person knows where all your military bases are. But is it ok if the uncleared person knows about _all_ the missiles at _all_ the bases, and can tell that nobody's using Type 2 missiles any more, and that all the Type 4 missiles got moved to New Jersey last week? =============== End "Secure Database" section ================= =============== Begin "Real-World and Crypto" section ========= For the average person, though, the simple military models aren't really useful. You really care more about groups of people, though the multi-level stuff is sometimes a good way to keep machines from being hacked. But the real problem is that computers are very good at correlating information - if two different companies know your Social Security Number, and they share their data with each other (maybe for a price), then they can all tie together everything they each know about you. And there's no way to stop it, except by limiting the information you give people (which limits the transactions they'll do with you), or contractually limiting what they can do with it (good luck), or using multiple identities - and even then, computers are often good at guessing that the John Doe at 1234 Main Street is the related to Jane Smith at 1234 Main Street, and maybe the foreign car parts Jane bought on her American Express are for the Porsche registered to John, so there's a junk-mail opportunity. There's really only one technology that lets you avoid this, which is crypto and its relatives - though you still have to get people you use business with to use it, which is an uphill game. Some of the fundamental work on this is David Chaum's papers on Credentials without Identity (or something about like that, from ~1985.) For instance, you can have a voter registration number that's cryptographically signed by the voting bureau, but uses blinded signatures so they can't correlate the known good unique number with the Peter Swire who walked in and showed a picture ID one day. A driver's license smartcard could keep a pointer to your driving records, but wouldn't give your True Name, and would only show a cop that the person whose picture is on the front is a Licensed Driver, and maybe could demonstrate that the bearer knows the card's PIN. One big issue is that the government is pushing banks to demand SSNs, and requiring employers to demand SSNs (makes them easy Employee IDs), and pushing medical insurers and providers to use SSNs (makes it easy to collect Medicare data.) You can gain a lot of privacy just by having employers use their own employee-ID numbering system, so the travel agent subcontracting to Corporate Travel doesn't need your SSN on every form they fill out. But suppose the Social Security Administration and IRS issued you a bunch of separate numbers, that were either related using a cryptographic key, or just randomly picked and kept in a big database (maybe pointing to your old SSN), so you could give everybody who needs a Tax ID a different number, and only you and the IRS could correlate them. (To some extent, you can do this yourself by creating lots of companies, but it's a real pain and costs a certain amount of money.) =============== addendum ===================== Of course, for many transactions, the way to reduce the privacy problems is to use bearer certificates rather than book-entry approaches - pay cash, or digicash, rather than credit cards, use on-line anonymous delivery of bits, or picking up stuff in person, rather than mailing stuff to a snail address, etc. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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Re: Excerpt on SPAM from Edupage, 11 February 1997
by Sean Roach 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 04:45 PM 2/15/97 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: >Roy M. Silvernail wrote: ... >> Or that the money wasn't there in the first place (absent a trusted >> signature system), or the key doesn't exist, or the wrong key is >> offered, or the sender put the same e-dollar on all 60000 mails sie >> sent and it's already been redeemed. > >Well, if the trusted party performs the encryption by both recipient's >public key and the "retrieval key", the problem that you mention can >be avoided. Yeah. I as a spam artist send the "proof" message through the e-cash verification center with the Send To: field returning it to a mail exploder. Each receipient gets the same dollar. This assumes that the To: field is not hashed into the verification signature, and that the verification works like a glorified remailer. (cash added on a separate channel).

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We're in Anguilla! Comon down!!!
by Bill Clinton 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

My fellow cypherpunks, I wanted to let you all know, we are having a great time, building a router to the 21st Century, down here in sunny Anguilla. Al and I will be wiring Anguilla's great high school for the internet. Afterwards, we'll meet with some longtime supporters of the democratic party for a beer. Spaces at the conference are still available, I didn't let those folks at American strike, so you have no excuses to be anywhere else next week. Willy Citizen Unit 429-92-9947

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Re: Excerpt on SPAM from Edupage, 11 February 1997
by ichudov＠algebra.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Sean Roach wrote: > > At 04:45 PM 2/15/97 -0600, Igor Chudov wrote: > >Roy M. Silvernail wrote: > ... > >> Or that the money wasn't there in the first place (absent a trusted > >> signature system), or the key doesn't exist, or the wrong key is > >> offered, or the sender put the same e-dollar on all 60000 mails sie > >> sent and it's already been redeemed. > > > >Well, if the trusted party performs the encryption by both recipient's > >public key and the "retrieval key", the problem that you mention can > >be avoided. > Yeah. I as a spam artist send the "proof" message through the e-cash > verification center with the Send To: field returning it to a mail exploder. > Each receipient gets the same dollar. > This assumes that the To: field is not hashed into the verification > signature, and that the verification works like a glorified remailer. (cash > added on a separate channel). > Sean, No, it works the other way. The verification center gets $1000, creates 1000 $1 coins, signs them and encrypts each with the given recipients' public keys. The spammers gets these signed and encrypted coins, may superencrypt them and sends them to the recipients. As long as the trusted party is honest, there is no way to cheat. - Igor.

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Re: Questions about Naughty Robot (fwd)
by Genocide 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I got this message (on a system that I am webmaster on) regarding something that sounded so stupid it made me chuckle...Naughty Robot...I have enclosed the message below. If any of you have any idea what this user is talking about, any info would be appreciated. Personally it sounds like another "GoodTimes Virus" again... Genocide Head of the Genocide2600 Group ============================================================================ **Coming soon! www.Genocide2600.com! ____________________ *---===| |===---* *---===| Genocide |===---* "Courage is not defined by those who *---===| 2600 |===---* fought and did not fall, but by those *---===|__________________|===---* who fought, fell, and and rose again." Email: gen2600(a)aracnet.com Web: http://www.aracnet.com/~gen2600 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It is by caffeine alone that I set my mind in motion. It is by the Mountain Dew that the thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone that I set my mind in motion. ================================================================================ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 10:30:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Questions about Naughty Robot Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 12:10:54 -0800 (PST) >> Don't wanna bug ya too much, but I was wondering if you have ever heard >> of Naughty Robot, and whether or not if it is a hoax or Real? >> >> I had a customer in Tennesee who got an E-Mail saying that Naughty Robot >> has infected your host computer and consider all your credit cards >> stolen. >> >> I think it's a hoax, but the Admins at VR-NET Cafe say that they have >> been hit with it and say that it's a script that does hack into the >> IPS's server and sits back and watches the users browse the web and take >> the info they see on there screen and dump to some remote server?? >> >> I was wondering if you have heard about it...and if so can you direct to >> the right locations on the web to get the "Official" Scoop on it?

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test ping - cypherpunks@toad.com 12:32pm PST - ignore
by Bill Stewart 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hi! This is a test ping to verify whether mail to cypherpunks(a)toad.com gets forwarded successfully to one of the other cypherpunks lists, and how fast. # Thanks; Bill # Bill Stewart, +1-415-442-2215 stewarts(a)ix.netcom.com # You can get PGP outside the US at ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/pgp # (If this is a mailing list, please Cc: me on replies. Thanks.)

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