December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

*** VSA2048 Cryptography Module ***
by DataETRsch＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hello, Greetings! DataET Research, Data Engineering Technologies, has recently initiated the distribution of VSACM, VSA2048 Cryptography Module. VSACM implements a relatively new, but extensively advanced and sophisticated, encryption algorithm named VSA2048. If you are not interested in incorporating the power of advanced encryption into the software that you develop, you may want to visit http://members.aol.com/dataetrsch/ if you are searching for a help file / system development, installation program development, or shareware distribution and marketing service. Otherwise, please continue on. VSACM (the VSA2048 algorithm)... o Is a royalty-free Windows DLL module featuring advanced cryptography. o Is a cost-effective size of only 50 kilobytes. o Contains more than 120 procedures and functions. o Implements the VSA2048 encryption algorithm. o Allows encryption keys as large as 2048 bits. o Is extensively key and data dependent. o Includes 18 algorithm extensions. o Processes all forms of binary and ASCII files. o Allows multiple encryption layer levels. o Has absolutely no back-doors or magical keys. o Includes time and date locking features. o Includes file specific unique encryption features. o Includes data importance and sensitivity stamping features. VSACM, being a Windows DLL module, can be accessed through programs developed with popular application and database programming languages and environments such as: C, C++, Visual Basic, Delphi, Turbo Pascal, PowerBuilder, Smalltalk, dBase, Paradox, Access, FoxPro, Oracle, Sybase, SQL, and numerous others. DataET Research has released a shareware trial edition version of VSACM named VSACM V2.0. To download VSACM V2.0 for free, please go to: http://members.aol.com/dataetrsch/vsacm.html. I hope you will consider applying VSACM in the software you develop. Thank-you very much for your time. Sincerely, Jeremy K. Yu-Ramos President DataET Research Data Engineering Technologies

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Re: Failure of centralized certificates - was "Experts slam PGP
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

e$pam wrote: > From: kilgallen(a)eisner.decus.org (Larry Kilgallen) > Subject: Re: Failure of centralized certificates - was "Experts slam PGP > encryption" > In article <5g8i92$4rs(a)news.ox.ac.uk>, patrick(a)gryphon.psych.ox.ac.uk > (Patrick Juola) writes: > >>As a corporation with diverse ownership, it should be much more complex > >>for VeriSign to subvert their own system for a cause than it would be > >>in the case of an individual such as Phil Zimmermann or David Sternlight. > The only ones we care about are those with "keys to the kingdom". > In the case of those who are so empowered, one needs positive > incentive for them to corrupt the database. Could some political > cause provide that incentive -- yes. Damn good thing that there are no political issues surrounding crypto. TruthMonger

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by Strut Your Stuff 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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Upcoming Crypto Actions
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

In addition to the March 20 House hearing on Goodlatte's HR695 where Phil Karn will testify, there's a Senate hearing on Leahy's PRO-Code bill: March 19; 2:00 p.m. Commerce, Science, and Transportation To hold hearings on S. 377, to promote electronic commerce by facilitating the use of strong encryption. SR-253 This was postponed from March 11, perhaps in concert with Goodlatte to maximize coverage of the issue. Recall that the administration is due to shortly release its policy on international encryption agreements. And BXA has scheduled several actions to comply with The Wassenaar Arrangement: [November 29, 1996 (Volume 61, Number 231)] [Unified Agenda] >From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [frwais.access.gpo.gov] [Page 62337-62348] DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE (DOC) [Excerpts] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bureau of Export Administration--Final Rule Stage --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regulation Sequence Title Identifier Number Number --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 669 Changes to the Commerce Control List to Accord With the Wassenaar Arrangement on Export Controls for Conventional Arms and Dual-Use Goods and Technologies.................. 0694-AB35 670 Changes to the Export Administrative Regulations To Implement the Guidelines and Information Sharing Provisions of the Wassenaar Arrangement on Export Controls for Conventional Arms and Dual-Use......................... 0694-AB40 676 Incorporation of the Wassenaar Arrangement Into Category 2 of the Commerce Control List; Expansion of License Exception CIV.............................................. 0694-AB48 [End excerpts]

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Re: Silvernail Concedes / Hides In Shame
by TruthMonger 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Roy M. Silvernail wrote: > For the rest of the list, my comments were sent to > an7575(a)anon.nymserver.com in private mail. He/she/it chose to quote > private mail to the list. Make of that what you will. If this is the case, Roy, I apologize. I didn't notice that you had changed the reply-to address on your response to bypass the anonymity of your reply, so it appeared in my headers in the same format as those replies I receive through the list. I sometimes forget that there are those who do not wish the contents of their private email to reflect on their public image. I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it, however, since many people on the list hate to have their bubbles burst and probably killfiled me after my first post. I'm still waiting for someone to reply to the actual issues I raised in my post, as opposed dealing with imaginary daemons that they tacked on to the thread. TruthMonger

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DESCHALL v0.214 now available -- US/Canada only
by Rocke Verser 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Greetings! DESCHALL Version 0.214 is now available in the US and Canada. DESCHALL is a client-server based approach to cracking the RSA DES Challenge. Information about DESCHALL is available at the following Web site: http://www.frii.com/~rcv/deschall.htm As indicated in the above Web page, Michael Paul Johnson has graciously agreed to distribute DESCHALL from his export-controlled North American Crypto Site. [Thanks, MPJ!] At the present time, the server is running at about 2% of capacity. The server can handle a *whole lot* more clients. Clients are available for Linux, FreeBSD, OS/2, Windows 95/NT, and Sparc. [Offers for guest accounts to compile other clients gladly accepted!] Pentium 120MHz clients can test about 600,000 keys per second. Good luck! -- Rocke Verser, rcv(a)dopey.verser.frii.com

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Re: [ADMINISTRATIVIUM] ElGamal
by nobody＠hidden.net 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The only `culture' Timmy C[ocksucker] May possesses is that cultivated from his foreskin scrapings. O O Timmy C[ocksucker] May | \___/ \_/

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Re: Anonymous Nymserver: anon.nymserver.com
by Peter Trei 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Someone mistitling itself "Truthmonger" writes: > Now that you seem to have actually read what I have written, perhaps > you might consider reading what you, yourself, have written. > I stated my case for contending that PGP=>2.5 has been compromised, > and got back wild-eyed demands for proof of that which I did not > claim, mainly, that PGP had been 'broken.' > To reiterate my original observations: > 1. The development of RSA was funded and controlled by the spooks. > i.e. - The National Science Foundation and the Navy. > 2. The campaign of persecution against Phil Zimmerman ground to a > halt once he agreed to PGP using the spook-developed RSAREF subroutines > to implement the RSA functions, instead of PGP's original subroutines. > If people with guns came to me and told me that software I had > written now had to use their subroutines, instead of my own, then > I would consider my software 'compromised', regardless of whether > or not I could immediately discern any anomalies in it. > It is far, far easier to 'build' a back-door, than to 'find' one. "TM" (I can't bring myself to use it's full name, since it is so totally inappropriate) has made the following claims: 1. "PGP => 2.5 has been compromised." 2. "It is far, far easier to 'build' a back-door, than to 'find' one." His main arguement rests on the fact that the later versions of PGP use RSAREF, rather than Phil's own code. As support of the first claim, he claims: > 1. The development of RSA was funded and controlled by the spooks. > i.e. - The National Science Foundation and the Navy. I'm not sure what you're referring to with "RSA" here - is it the algorithm or the company? If it's the algorithm, you may or may not have the intellectual capacity to verify it yourself - if you don't you have no business telling us it's compromised, and if you do, either publish the problem (and claim your 15 minutes of fame), or admit there is no hole you are aware of. There are plenty of people on this list who can follow the math, even if you can't. If it's the company, then you are either ignorant or lying. RSA has *not* had a good relationship with the USG, as those who have been following the matter over the years know well. Most recently, you will notice that it has licensed some of it's patents to a Japanese chip maker in an effort to avoid problems with US export restrictions. Is this the action of a USG patsy? > 2. The campaign > of persecution against Phil Zimmerman ground to a halt once he > agreed to PGP using the spook-developed RSAREF subroutines to > implement the RSA functions, instead of PGP's original subroutines. PGP 2.5 was released in March 1994, about a year after Phil was indicted. It took until January 1996 for the indictment to be dropped; nearly another two years. If a deal was struck, why did it take so long? The dismissal of Phil's persecution was almost certainly due to (a) the approach of the statute of limitations, and (b), the very high probability that he would be found innocent. if they took him to trial. The government simply ran out of legal pretexts under which to harass him. Now that your supporting assertions have been shown to be flawed, let's return to the original claims. 1. "PGP => 2.5 has been compromised." 2. "It is far, far easier to 'build' a back-door, than to 'find' one." The problem, TM, is that we have full source code, and anyone with the intelligence and knowledge required can check it independently. PGP and RSAREF are both distributed as source. There is not one byte of instructions or data that have to be accepted on faith - no precompiled libraries, no mysterious DLLs or ActiveX controls. If there is a backdoor, show it to us. Your second claim, that it is easier to build a backdoor than to find one, is true but not pertinant. Let's try an analogy. 1. You buy a house from a builder. You, being paranoid, wonder if the builder has included a secret door to enable him to enter the house without your permission. You investigate what you can, but in the end are left with some doubts. 2. You buy a set of blueprints from the builder, and examine them carefully for weaknesses. You then buy a plot of land of your choice, hire the workers you want, get materials from any supplier you wish. You supervise the construction yourself down to the last detail. Others who have purchased the same blue prints include trusted independent architects and construction engineers, who concur with you thatno hidden back doors can be found in the design. At this point, how worried are you that the builder has left himself an unauthorized entry? The situation with PGP >=2.5 is like the second scenario, not the first. What it comes down to "TM" is: Put up or shut up. You can't spread FUD in a situation where there is no unknown to Fear, no Uncertainty to deal with, and no Doubt that we have all the knowledge we need. Respond in a substantive manner. So far, you've avoided doing so. Peter Trei trei(a)process.com

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Fred Cohen and dhp.com
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

For a good laugh, check out www.dhp.com where they posted their e-mail correspondence with Dr. Fred Cohen. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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VSA2048 Cryptography Module Source Code
by DataETRsch＠aol.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Anyone interested in receiving the source code of VSACM should e-mail DataETRsch(a)aol.com with VSACM V2.0 Source Code Request in the subject line. (BTW, about that "if they come in pretty disks" line, very funny.) Jeremy Yu-Ramos DataET Research

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FW: Rules for The Great DES Replacement Contest
by Mullen 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:24:38 -0500 (EST) >From: Christof Paar <christof(a)ece.WPI.EDU> >To: christof(a)ece.WPI.EDU >Subject: (fwd) Rules for The Great DES Replacement Contest >Newsgroups: sci.crypt > > >Rules for The Great DES Replacement Contest > >On 1997 Jan 02, the National Institute of Standards and Technology >of The Department of Commerce announced the start of a process to >approve an "Advanced Encryption Standard." (See the Federal >Register Vol. 62, No. 1, pp. 93-94; for example, by going to > > http://www.lib.auburn.edu/gpo/index.html > >and searching the Federal Register for "Advanced Encryption >Standard.") > > >The first part of the process seems to be requesting comments >on the cipher requirements and submission guidelines as follows: > >"Proposed Draft Minimum Acceptability Requirements and Evaluation >Criteria > > "The draft minimum acceptability requirements and evaluation >criteria are: > A.1 AES shall be publicly defined. > A.2 AES shall be a symmetric block cipher. > A.3 AES shall be designed so that the key length may be increased >as needed. > A.4 AES shall be implementable in both hardware and software. > A.5 AES shall either be (a) freely available or (b) available >under terms consistent with the American National Standards Institute >(ANSI) patent policy. > A.6 Algorithms which meet the above requirements will be judged >based on the following factors: > (a) Security (i.e., the effort required to cryptanalyze), > (b) Computational efficiency, > (c) Memory requirements, > (d) Hardware and software suitability, > (e) Simplicity, > (f) Flexibility, and > (g) Licensing requirements." > > >"Proposed Draft Submission Requirements" > > "In order to provide for an orderly, fair, and timely evaluation of >candidate algorithm proposals, submission requirements will specify the >procedures and supporting documentation necessary to submit a candidate >algorithm. > > B.1 A complete written specification of the algorithm including >all necessary mathematical equations, tables, and parameters needed to >implement the algorithm. > B.2 Software implementation and source code, in ANSI C code, which >will compile on a personal computer. This code will be used to compare >software performance and memory requirements with respect to other >algorithms. > B.3 Statement of estimated computational efficiency in hardware >and software. > B.4 Encryption example mapping a specified plaintext value into >ciphertext. > B.5 Statement of licensing requirements and patents which may be >infringed by implementations of this algorithm. > B.6 An analysis of the algorithm with respect to known attacks. > B.7 Statement of advantages and limitations of the submitted >algorithm." > >

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Re: Anyone have the complete info on CP list alternatives?
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> However, I'm very confused on just what to do at this > point, my news server doesn't see alt.cypherpunks > yet and if it did would probably lose about 75% of > the posts if past performance is to be any indicator. > (Or more accurately, would never get them, we seem > to be a bottom feeder here in South Florida as far > as the newsgroups go.) try pubnews.demon.co.uk, its a public server open to everyone and his dog, recognises all newsgroups, doesn`t accept rmgroups and is quite fast (quickest line between UK and USA, 100mbit/sec as I remember). Alternatively there is always dejanews.com Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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No Subject
by Shark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Trial

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OECD on Dirty Money
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Last week's FT-reported OECD money laundering paper, "FATF-VIII Money Laundering Typologies Exercise Public Report," 5 February 1997 is at: http://jya.com/fatf8.htm (Text 94K; 4 images 78K)

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Re: Belated thank you's
by Thomas M. McGhan 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

in a message apparently-from: jbugden(a)smtplink.alis.ca these words appeared: >The loss of John's involvement is a real loss. {snip} I would expect that "John's involvement" will not be lost just because the primary mass storage for the data comprising these messages is not on a disk drive in toad hall. >...how John will feel about the cypherpunks list as it moves beyond him. {snip} Unless the openness of this list, which was such a cause celebre, is compromised, I do not envision any mechanisms being put in place to exclude his contributions, if he chooses to make any. I also expect that the outcome of the in-progress election for ISOC board of trustees may have a certain effect on his time-and-energy resource allocation algorithm for the next few years. ======= tmcghan(a)mail.bcpl.lib.md.us http://www.gill-simpson.com voice: (410) 467-3335 fax: (410) 235-6961 pagenet: (410) 716-1342 cellular: (410) 241-9113 ICBM: 39.395N 76.469W

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Netcom carriage of alt.cypherpunk newsgroups
by azur＠netcom.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

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"cypherpunks is dead..."
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"...long live cypherpunks?" "So long, and thanks for all the fish?" But, seriously, folks... Lucky Green echoed many of my own thoughts when he talked about all the things being on this list has meant to him. Like Lucky, there is a rediculously huge list of things that this list has taught me over the almost three (wow..) years or so that I've been here. Thanks to all of you here, I have had nothing short of a Copernican transformation in my perception of the universe, and it completely changed what I wanted to do with the rest of my life. From the very first time I started reading this list and applying what I learned here to what I already knew, right then, for the first time in a *very* long time, I knew *exactly* how some very important pieces of the world actually worked, and more important, why they were going to change. I now *know* where the world is going to go. Maybe not when, of course, but certainly where and how. :-) (Old stock picker's joke: "I can tell you what. I can tell you when. I can't tell you both. If I did, I wouldn't tell *you*.") Anyway, I've learned all these things from many cypherpunks, some still here, and a lot who've left. I expect that, as we move into the next phase of this "group", we'll continue to teach ourselves much more about the world and strong cryptography's effect on it. But, nothing will compare to the feeling we'll get when we remember the time we've spent here at Toad Hall. We have John Gilmore to thank for the "lodgings", of course, and, certainly, for his encouragement and support. And, obviously, his tolerance, which finally sagged and broke under the weight of both his expectations and those of our own. We also have to thank Tim May for his um, ideological, presence on this list from since before it existed, :-), and, or course, for his current "leadership", both moral and political. (Of course, I can say all the next few wierd and gushy things about him without fear of refutation on his part, 'cause, in his wisdom, I'm still in his killfile ;-)) It was Tim who was our compass. It was Tim who came down from the mountain and stopped us from worshiping the fatted calf of censorship, and who is now leading us into the promised land of unfettered discourse, both on usenet and on the new cypherpunk server network. Since Tim paper-trained most of us here (myself included, though some may debate how well he succeeded :-)), that is, how to behave on this list, and, most important, how to imagine what a world of strong crytography on ubiquitous networks would look like, I now find his "leading" us out onto the net, and away from Sinai, most symmetrical indeed. :-). And so, in this last 24 hours or so on toad.com, I want to thank *both* Tim and John. But, also, I personally want to thank the "money-punks". People like Eric Hughes, and Perry Metzger, and Ian Goldberg, and Hal Finney, and Lucky Green, and Duncan Frissell, and Black Unicorn, and many, many other people, who have helped me work through, on this list, or in private e-mail, or, occasionally, in person, all of the stuff they know, and the stuff I have figured out myself. All about e$, about digital bearer certificate markets, about microintermediation. All the things which completely occupy almost all my waking thoughts these days. Because of this list's effect on my life, I have been motivated to start the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, to evangelize financial cryptography to any audience who would listen to me, to create a web site dedicated to e$, to create a group of e$ lists with some 300 total subscribers, to work with Vinnie Moscaritolo to create both the Mac-Crypto lists and conferences, to work with Vince Cate and Ray Hirschfeld to create the world's first peer-reviewed conference on financial cryptography, and with Vince and Ian Goldberg to create the world's first intensive financial cryptography bootcamp (which is going on as I write this). To create, with Vinnie, and Rachel Wilmer, and Anthony Templer, and Bob Antia, and Rodney Thayer, the next generation of the e$ website and mailing lists. Next week, I go to FC97 in Anguilla because of the things I've learned on this list. In the middle of March, I go to Cupertino to help Vinnie with Mac-Crypto 2.0, because of the things I've learned on this list. I've been invited to speak all over the world (and New Hampshire, too :-)) to talk about this stuff. I get quoted in the newspapers. I write magazine op-ed pieces. It has even earned me a buck or two. :-). In short, I owe everything I do of any consequence these days to my participation on this list, and, for that, I'm profoundly grateful to all of you for the privelege of being here: to listen, to learn, and, occasionally, to pay back all the stuff I've learned with a thing or two that I've worked out myself. Like that creosote bush I talked about before, cypherpunks is not going to die just because the address "cypherpunks(a)toad.com" ceases to exist. There are already 3rd-order cypherpunks lists out there. 3rd generation copies of the same "memetic" material. cypherpunks will *never* die, short of a cybernetic Chixalub event of some kind, and, frankly, even then. The internet sees censorship as damage and routes around it. So. In a very real sense, today on cypherpunks is like any other day in the life of a creosote bush. It's a big desert, folks. We're the only ones who know how to live out here. The whole damn desert, as far as the eye can see, is ours to move into. All we have to do is keep filling in the empty spots... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

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Mobil adopts no-physical-connection electronic payment token
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

--- begin forwarded text Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:01:14 -0500 (EST) To: Multiple Recipients of e$pam <e$pam(a)intertrader.com> From: e$pam(a)intertrader.com (e$pam) Reply-To: e$(a)thumper.vmeng.com X-Comment: To unsubscribe, send any email to e$pam-off(a)intertrader.com Precedence: Bulk Subject: Mobil adopts no-physical-connection electronic payment token X-orig-from: "Travis J.I. Corcoran" <Travis-Corcoran(a)deshaw.com> X-e$pam-source: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Forwarded by Robert Hettinga ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 09:02:14 -0500 From: "Travis J.I. Corcoran" <Travis-Corcoran(a)deshaw.com> To: dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Subject: Mobil adopts no-physical-connection electronic payment token Sender: bounce-dcsb(a)ai.mit.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "Travis J.I. Corcoran" <Travis-Corcoran(a)deshaw.com> FYI, from today's WSJ: ------------------------------ snip! ------------------------------ Mobil Aims to Turn Gas Pumps Into Automatic-Payment Sites By PETER FRITSCH Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL Mobil Corp. hopes to make life in the fast lane a little bit faster. The oil company will introduce Wednesday a miniature electronic-payment device that busy motorists can simply wave at a gasoline pump to fill 'er up. The tiny electronic tag -- called a Speedpass -- clips onto a driver's key ring. Mobil is betting the technology will catch on with drivers tired of fumbling for cash or waiting for a pump to authorize a credit-card purchase. Whether drivers are in such a hurry that they will be interested is an open question. "My key chain already looks like a janitor's," says Carol Coale, a Houston securities analyst. Mobil, which tested the Speedpass over the past six months with 10,000 consumers in St. Louis, says the added convenience can save the motorist valuable time. Mobil's technology, developed in partnership with Texas Instruments Inc. and Dresser Industries Inc., is similar to that used by drivers at bridge and highway toll booths. Once a driver waves the tag at the pump, the pump instantly contacts Mobil's credit department and charges a credit card preselected by the customer. The marketing effort challenges the conventional wisdom of gasoline retailing. Most drivers say location is more important when the gasoline gauge reads "empty" than brand name or price. Mobil's thinking is that the gee-whiz factor of owning the Speedpass, combined with the convenience, will persuade people to go an extra mile to buy from one of Mobil's 7,700 branded stations. Speedpass is also an attempt to help Mobil build on its position as the nation's top gasoline seller. With a 9.9% share of the market, Mobil in 1995 overtook Shell Oil Co. as the leading gasoline seller, as measured in gallons sold. (Figures for 1996 aren't available.) Mobil, which was among the first oil companies to use pay-at-the-pump technology, will introduce Speedpass in key markets by May 1. ------------------------------ snip! ------------------------------ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To unsubscribe from the dcsb list, send a letter to: Majordomo(a)ai.mit.edu In the body of the message, write: unsubscribe dcsb Or, to subscribe, write: subscribe dcsb If you have questions, write to me at Owner-DCSB(a)ai.mit.edu -------------------------------------------------- The e$ lists are brought to you by: Intertrader Ltd - Commerce Solutions in the UK Visit <http://www.intertrader.com/> for details ... Where people, networks and money come together: Consult Hyperion http://www.hyperion.co.uk info(a)hyperion.co.uk Like e$pam? Help pay for it! See <http://www.atanda.com/rah.html> Or, for e$pam sponsorship, see <http://thumper.vmeng.com/pub/rah/> Thanks to the e$ e$lves: Of Counsel: Vinnie Moscaritolo <mailto:vinnie@webstuff.apple.com> (Majordomo)^2: Rachel Willmer<mailto:rachel@intertrader.com> Commermeister: Anthony Templer <mailto:anthony@atanda.com> Interturge: Rodney Thayer <mailto:rodney@sabletech.com> HTMLurgist: Cynthia Zwerling <mailto:czrider@@webstuff.apple.com> --- end forwarded text ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

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Re: Why Digital Video Disks are late to market
by landon_dyer＠wayfarer.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:53 AM 2/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >azur(a)netcom.com (Steve Schear) writes: >> Has anyone seen discussions on how these protection mechanisms can be >> circumvented? > >Ummm, sector copy? AFAIK, the reader/writer manfacturer is trusted to >cripple any copies it makes. Of course, it's all software, so if some >EVIL person were to write a driver that did not honor the "don't copy >me" header ... i can confirm this. i recently talked to an employee of a firm [who i won't name] that was looking for some kind of shrouding scheme to protect their copy-protection enforcement code, under W95. [he knows the effort is ultimately doomed. he *is* a user of SoftICE, after all... :-) ] quotable quotes: "we know someone's going to have their scheme cracked. all we care about is that ours isn't the first." "i can't tell you the [encryption] algorithm, because that would let you break it. yes, the security is in the algorithm." where does hollywood get its crypto? mattel? -landon [back to lurk mode...]

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No Subject
by Shark 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Trial

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OECD on Dirty Money
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Last week's FT-reported OECD money laundering paper, "FATF-VIII Money Laundering Typologies Exercise Public Report," 5 February 1997 is at: http://jya.com/fatf8.htm (Text 94K; 4 images 78K)

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Re: Cypherpunks FAQ
by Dale Thorn 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Igor Chudov @ home wrote: > Toto wrote: > > The primal instinct of those with interest in 'control' is centered > > around the need for 'total' control. The history of dictators in > > general has shown more than a few who have allowed the sheep to escape > > from their pens while they were fixated on chasing down the few 'black > > sheep' that had strayed from their control. > > The CypherPunks list is a prime example of this. John and Sandy became > > so fixated on their attack on Dr. Vulis (and subsequent 'dissenters') > > that they eventually lost control of the other sheep in the fold who > > were willing to go along with a 'moderate' abrogation of their right > > to free speech by the censoring of only the 'black' sheep. > Take no offense, but why nobody thought about an obviously more likely > conclusion: that it is Dr. Vulis who was, say, hired by Detweiler to > destroy cypherpunks. I personally find the above unlikely, but at least > more likely than all other suggestions (which I think are an example > of the delusion of grandeur). Remember the movie Die Hard (#1)? Remember what the wife said about how her husband would drive people stark, raving mad? I humbly suggest by analogy that it was me, since that is my effect on a lot of people, particularly (and especially) the John and Sandy types.

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Re: Why Digital Video Disks are late to market
by Landon Dyer 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 09:53 AM 2/19/97 -0500, you wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >azur(a)netcom.com (Steve Schear) writes: >> Has anyone seen discussions on how these protection mechanisms can be >> circumvented? > >Ummm, sector copy? AFAIK, the reader/writer manfacturer is trusted to >cripple any copies it makes. Of course, it's all software, so if some >EVIL person were to write a driver that did not honor the "don't copy >me" header ... i can confirm this. i recently talked to an employee of a firm [who i won't name] that was looking for some kind of shrouding scheme to protect their copy-protection enforcement code, under W95. [he knows the effort is ultimately doomed. he *is* a user of SoftICE, after all... :-) ] quotable quotes: "we know someone's going to have their scheme cracked. all we care about is that ours isn't the first." "i can't tell you the [encryption] algorithm, because that would let you break it. yes, the security is in the algorithm." where does hollywood get its crypto? mattel? -landon [back to lurk mode...]

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Re: Any more like www.anonymizer.com ??
by Attila T. Hun 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Come on, Bob. Quit rubbing it in about that clear blue water, the tropical temperatures and high horsepower speakers. -attila on or about 970219:0704 Robert Hettinga <rah(a)shipwright.com> said: +At 8:29 pm -0500 on 2/18/97, ! Drive wrote: +> A proposal and prototype of a different anonymity mechanism can be found at: +> http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/projects/onion-routing/overview.html +And, of course, you can hear about the next generation from the same +bunch, on Monday morning at FC97: + Unlinkable Serial Transactions + Paul F. Syverson (Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC, USA), + Stuart G. Stubblebine (AT&T Labs--Research, Murray Hill, NJ, USA), + David M. Goldschlag (Naval Research Laboratory, Washington, DC, USA) +:-). +<http://www.offshore.com.ai/fc97/> Cheers, Bob Hettinga _____________________________________________________________________ Surveilence is just another form of entertainment. ___________________________________________________________attila_____ "attila" 1024/C20B6905/23 D0 FA 7F 6A 8F 60 66 BC AF AE 56 98 C0 D7 B0 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 Comment: No safety this side of the grave. Never was; never will be iQCVAwUBMwtHW704kQrCC2kFAQF71QQAx/ai6PvbLHETVNLHQJ78XIIgkPBLflbO 4LfcHeA/m5WSq+kK8GNbSsMq+7Bcfpw+iELlPUhbU671oecayfyJj1C/Irwr2pXF dgNniD/2s0QnhDGEuHDbFtjkeIiSV70ED9+TO+osLG/fQIigV0jeIFPeh9D0Ri/z FueZ3HRx784= =Dtbl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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"cypherpunks is dead..."
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

"...long live cypherpunks?" "So long, and thanks for all the fish?" But, seriously, folks... Lucky Green echoed many of my own thoughts when he talked about all the things being on this list has meant to him. Like Lucky, there is a rediculously huge list of things that this list has taught me over the almost three (wow..) years or so that I've been here. Thanks to all of you here, I have had nothing short of a Copernican transformation in my perception of the universe, and it completely changed what I wanted to do with the rest of my life. From the very first time I started reading this list and applying what I learned here to what I already knew, right then, for the first time in a *very* long time, I knew *exactly* how some very important pieces of the world actually worked, and more important, why they were going to change. I now *know* where the world is going to go. Maybe not when, of course, but certainly where and how. :-) (Old stock picker's joke: "I can tell you what. I can tell you when. I can't tell you both. If I did, I wouldn't tell *you*.") Anyway, I've learned all these things from many cypherpunks, some still here, and a lot who've left. I expect that, as we move into the next phase of this "group", we'll continue to teach ourselves much more about the world and strong cryptography's effect on it. But, nothing will compare to the feeling we'll get when we remember the time we've spent here at Toad Hall. We have John Gilmore to thank for the "lodgings", of course, and, certainly, for his encouragement and support. And, obviously, his tolerance, which finally sagged and broke under the weight of both his expectations and those of our own. We also have to thank Tim May for his um, ideological, presence on this list from since before it existed, :-), and, or course, for his current "leadership", both moral and political. (Of course, I can say all the next few wierd and gushy things about him without fear of refutation on his part, 'cause, in his wisdom, I'm still in his killfile ;-)) It was Tim who was our compass. It was Tim who came down from the mountain and stopped us from worshiping the fatted calf of censorship, and who is now leading us into the promised land of unfettered discourse, both on usenet and on the new cypherpunk server network. Since Tim paper-trained most of us here (myself included, though some may debate how well he succeeded :-)), that is, how to behave on this list, and, most important, how to imagine what a world of strong crytography on ubiquitous networks would look like, I now find his "leading" us out onto the net, and away from Sinai, most symmetrical indeed. :-). And so, in this last 24 hours or so on toad.com, I want to thank *both* Tim and John. But, also, I personally want to thank the "money-punks". People like Eric Hughes, and Perry Metzger, and Ian Goldberg, and Hal Finney, and Lucky Green, and Duncan Frissell, and Black Unicorn, and many, many other people, who have helped me work through, on this list, or in private e-mail, or, occasionally, in person, all of the stuff they know, and the stuff I have figured out myself. All about e$, about digital bearer certificate markets, about microintermediation. All the things which completely occupy almost all my waking thoughts these days. Because of this list's effect on my life, I have been motivated to start the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, to evangelize financial cryptography to any audience who would listen to me, to create a web site dedicated to e$, to create a group of e$ lists with some 300 total subscribers, to work with Vinnie Moscaritolo to create both the Mac-Crypto lists and conferences, to work with Vince Cate and Ray Hirschfeld to create the world's first peer-reviewed conference on financial cryptography, and with Vince and Ian Goldberg to create the world's first intensive financial cryptography bootcamp (which is going on as I write this). To create, with Vinnie, and Rachel Wilmer, and Anthony Templer, and Bob Antia, and Rodney Thayer, the next generation of the e$ website and mailing lists. Next week, I go to FC97 in Anguilla because of the things I've learned on this list. In the middle of March, I go to Cupertino to help Vinnie with Mac-Crypto 2.0, because of the things I've learned on this list. I've been invited to speak all over the world (and New Hampshire, too :-)) to talk about this stuff. I get quoted in the newspapers. I write magazine op-ed pieces. It has even earned me a buck or two. :-). In short, I owe everything I do of any consequence these days to my participation on this list, and, for that, I'm profoundly grateful to all of you for the privelege of being here: to listen, to learn, and, occasionally, to pay back all the stuff I've learned with a thing or two that I've worked out myself. Like that creosote bush I talked about before, cypherpunks is not going to die just because the address "cypherpunks(a)toad.com" ceases to exist. There are already 3rd-order cypherpunks lists out there. 3rd generation copies of the same "memetic" material. cypherpunks will *never* die, short of a cybernetic Chixalub event of some kind, and, frankly, even then. The internet sees censorship as damage and routes around it. So. In a very real sense, today on cypherpunks is like any other day in the life of a creosote bush. It's a big desert, folks. We're the only ones who know how to live out here. The whole damn desert, as far as the eye can see, is ours to move into. All we have to do is keep filling in the empty spots... Cheers, Bob Hettinga ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/ FC97: Anguilla, anyone? http://www.ai/fc97/

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