December 2003 - cypherpunks-legacy

Re: encrypt_1.html
by paul＠fatmans.demon.co.uk 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

> | The fact that they are pushing key escrow must indicate that > |someone has developed a program that they can't crack and don't > |have a back-door to. > | I wonder which one it is? This ignores the basic law of conpiracy theorism: Suspect everyone and everything. I believe the current push to establish key escrow systems, which will inevitably lead to enforced domestic GAK in a number of countries is possibly a double cross. If mandatory GAK is introduced who will be the most likely to ignore the legislation and continue using non-GAK crypto? - The anarchists and other "terrorist" groups of course. This would seem to suggest the govt. is trying to lull these groups into a false sense of security believing their non-GAK crypto to be strong. This would in turn seem to suggest that the NSA, GCCS etc. have broken a number of currently used algorithms that are believed strong by the civilian research community. At the end of the day though this is pure speculation and the spectre of GAK still looms over us and must be defeated, however, as conspiracy theories go I happen to think it is one of my more believable delusions.... Datacomms Technologies web authoring and data security Paul Bradley, Paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul(a)crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul(a)cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: 5BBFAEB1 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"

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17 Dec '03

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NYU's PGP Key-Signing Seminar - a critique
by Sergey Goldgaber 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

I am writing regarding the PGP Seminar to be held on the 27th of March. Your informative session is laudible. And, I would like to take full advantage of the key-signing session to follow. However, there is a certain concern which it would be prudent to address first. http://www.nyu.edu/pages/advocacy/awareness/pgp.html provides instructions for the session, which state: "8. At the seminar Tim and Ilya will confirm the identity of all participants and the participants will identify their own keys. 9. After the seminar Ilya will e-mail all the participants the keyring with all the keys, along with the instructions on how to sign them." This conflicts with the guidelines for hosting pgp key signing sessions as presented in the alt.security.pgp FAQ (a relevant excerpt is attached to this message). The FAQ states: "6. Each person securely obtains their own fingerprint, and after being vouched for, they then read out their fingerprint out loud so everyone can verify it on the printout they have." ~~~~~~~~ The concern I have is that this discrepancy undermines the web of trust model for PGP. The participants of the NYU session will not have the opportunity for verifying the identity of the owners of the keys that they are signing. They must rely on a central authority ("Tim and Ilya"). I realize that this may be a simpler, and perhaps a more convenient method of conducting a key-signing session, perhaps ideally suited to a session aimed at novices. However, I feel that the security provided by PGP is thereby undermined. We must not forget that security is the whole reason that even the novices at your session are using PGP for in the first place. I hope this issue can be addressed before the session begins. ............................................................................ . Sergey Goldgaber <sergey(a)el.net> System Administrator el Net . ............................................................................ . To him who does not know the world is on fire, I have nothing to say . . - Bertholt Brecht . ............................................................................ 6.8. How do I organize a key signing party? Though the idea is simple, actually doing it is a bit complex, because you don't want to compromise other people's private keys or spread viruses (which is a risk whenever floppies are swapped willy-nilly). Usually, these parties involve meeting everyone at the party, verifying their identity and getting key fingerprints from them, and signing their key at home. Derek Atkins <warlord(a)mit.edu> has recommended this method: _________________________________________________________________ There are many ways to hold a key-signing session. Many viable suggestions have been given. And, just to add more signal to this newsgroup, I will suggest another one which seems to work very well and also solves the N-squared problem of distributing and signing keys. Here is the process: 1. You announce the keysinging session, and ask everyone who plans to come to send you (or some single person who *will* be there) their public key. The RSVP also allows for a count of the number of people for step 3. 2. You compile the public keys into a single keyring, run "pgp -kvc" on that keyring, and save the output to a file. 3. Print out N copies of the "pgp -kvc" file onto hardcopy, and bring this and the keyring on media to the meeting. 4. At the meeting, distribute the printouts, and provide a site to retreive the keyring (an ftp site works, or you can make floppy copies, or whatever -- it doesn't matter). 5. When you are all in the room, each person stands up, and people vouch for this person (e.g., "Yes, this really is Derek Atkins -- I went to school with him for 6 years, and lived with him for 2"). 6. Each person securely obtains their own fingerprint, and after being vouched for, they then read out their fingerprint out loud so everyone can verify it on the printout they have. 7. After everyone finishes this protocol, they can go home, obtain the keyring, run "pgp -kvc" on it themselves, and re-verify the bits, and sign the keys at their own leisure. 8. To save load on the keyservers, you can optionally send all signatures to the original person, who can coalate them again into a single keyring and propagate that single keyring to the keyservers and to each individual. This seems to work well -- it worked well at the IETF meeting last month in Toronto, and I plan to try it at future dates. http://www.nyu.edu/pages/advocacy/awareness/pgp.html Awareness Week 1997 Pretty Good Privacy Seminar Thursday, March 27 at 12:00 pm Warren Weaver Hall, Room 313 [INLINE] This is a Blue-Ribbon event, CANYU will distribute Blue Ribbons to participants This seminar sponsored by the Computer Advocacy @ NYU and the Academic Computing Facility. The seminar will explore the need for use of cryptography for communications in every day life, and demonstrate how PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) can be used at NYU. This workshop is a part was preceded by another seminar titled "Encryption: Padlocks for the digital age". Speakers: * Tim O'Connor * Ilya Slavin A key signing session will follow the seminar. The instructions follow: 1. If you have already created your key, skip to the following step. + You can create your new key on one of the IS machines (and, most likely, many other computers at NYU) by following the steps outlined in the following document. 2. Once your key is generated and signed by yourself, extract your public key from the key ring by typing pgp -kxat userid keyfile.asc where keyfile.asc is a name of the file you want to copy your key to. 3. Send this file with your name and a mention of the seminar to slavin(a)acf2.nyu.edu before 7:00 PM on March 26, 1997. 4. Ilya will compile a master keyring with all the keys before the seminar starts. 5. Please write down (or print out) the output of the following command: pgp -kvc where <userid> is your name or e-mail address that appears in your key. 6. Ilya will have printouts of userids and fingerprints of all keys sent to him. 7. Bring two photo IDs (either a passport or other respectable form of ID) to the seminar so that we can verify your identity. 8. At the seminar Tim and Ilya will confirm the identity of all participants and the participants will identify their own keys. 9. After the seminar Ilya will e-mail all the participants the keyring with all the keys, along with the instructions on how to sign them. 10. Once the keys are signed, the participants will e-mail their signed keyrings to Ilya, who will add their signatures to the master keyring. 11. As soon as Ilya receives all the signed keys, he will e-mail the complete keyring to all the participants, who can add the new signatures to their own keyrings. ______________________________________________________________________ Computer Awareness Week '97 / Ilya Slavin / Last Modified: 3/6/97

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Re: UK govt. to ban PGP (was Re: UK TTP Paper)
by John Young 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

>: In Grey's words, ``All over Europe, the lights are going out'' >: >: Ross There does appear to be a coordinated global action to issue policies on TTP, GAK and the like at this time. OECD is due to shortly release its crypto policy, as is the USG according to BXA. The FBI issued its wiretap payment plan yesterday. Herson publically admitted the EU-FBI wiretap pact. All are apparently guided by The Wassenaar Arrangement amongst two dozen or so countries to act in concert, and to go public with dual-use controls in unison. So, Clint Brooks' comment at CFP about a new policy coming out for stronger crypto is a surely a harbinger of global GAK, in the guise of TTP or Key Recovery, as was speculated here, and as Rensch's statement to the House yesterday affirms. It's a policy sure to appeal to nationalists and chauvinists: strong protection for a nation's interest and commerce with GAK; without it no protection from predatory (rogue) nations (and criminals). But, as the Crypto AG engineer asked, "Who will protect us from NSA?" And its predatory clients and contractors, the Germans and French and others are asking, now that they are suffering the unilateral spying of their highest tech "friends."

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"why privacy" revisited
by Wei Dai 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

The question "why privacy" has at least two different meanings. The first one, "why do you value privacy for yourself" has a fairly obvious answer. Privacy implies control over one's personal information, and more control is clearly preferable to less. But the question also has a second meaning, "why do you think everyone should have more privacy?" The answer to this question is not so obvious. Just because each individual wants more privacy for himself, it doesn't follow that everyone will be better off when everyone has more privacy. Cypherpunks accept the idea that the widespread deployment of cryptography will increase privacy for everyone (or at least everyone who owns a computer and an Internet link). They also argue that this is a good thing. The reason most often cited is that privacy serves as a barrier for coercion. But privacy is also a barrier to almost every other kind of social relationship. For example, economists recognize that many market failures/inefficiencies are caused by information asymmetries (i.e., the fact that in a potential exchange one party has more information about the exchange than the other. The canonical example for this is the used car market.) Increased privacy would seem to only exacerbate these problems. What arguments can be made that the benefits of increased privacy outweigh its costs, considered for society as a whole?

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Re: Dorothy and the four Horseman
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Douglas Barnes wrote: > > Aldrich Ames is actually a great example of why Key Escrow is > NOT a good idea. Any measure that concentrates keys in one or > several locations creates a tempting target for spies, > criminals and corporate espionage types. How much better do the > GAK proponents plan to protect keys than, say, the names of all > our agents in the former Soviet Union? > > Doug

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Re: "why privacy" revisited
by Jonathan Gaw 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

when i talk to people like the Direct Marketer's Assn., they honestly don't understand what the fuss is about. Their attitude is, quite literally, "What's the harm being done here?" what do you think the community interested in privacy protection can do to best illustrate to the general public the "harm" in the collection of personal information? Jonathan Gaw At 09:28 AM 3/22/97 -0800, Timothy C. May wrote: > >Much as I agree with the point that privacy is desirable, I find the >"market efficiency" arguments unpersuasive, at least as presented below: > >At 1:01 PM +0000 3/22/97, Adam Back wrote: > >>You requested an argument couched market economic terms as to why >>reduced privacy might be a bad idea for the market efficiency. >>Consider: >> >>Less privacy is a bad thing in market economics terms, because as >>privacy takes a downwards spiral, which leads to ever increasing >>government intervention, increasing sizes of governments, fascism, >>etc. the free market economy will go to hell. Poverty, and food >>shortages will result, a la the former USSR, which is slowly >>recovering from the decline caused by statist, facist policies. We on >>the other hand, absent pressure from outside government, law >>enforcement and secret services circles are collectively headed into >>that fascist driven downward spiral.in economics. > >Or, since we all understand perfectly well that *credit cards* and *checks* >and other forms of *electronic payment* are not private in the way cash is, >Adam's argument could read as follows: > >"Using credit cards and checks is a bad thing in market economics terms, >because as privacy takes a downwards spiral, which leads to ever increasing >government intervention, increasing sizes of governments, fascism, etc. the >free market economy will go to hell. Poverty, and food shortages will >result, a la the former USSR, which is slowly recovering from the decline >caused by statist, facist policies. We on the other hand, absent pressure >from outside government, law enforcement and secret services circles are >collectively headed into that fascist driven downward spiral.in economics." > >In other words, I submit the fallacy of this comment, that traceable >payment schemes such as credit cards and checks have _not_ destroyed the >U.S. and Western economies as evidence that Adam's thesis is incorrect. > >(One might point to the correlation between increased credit and check >instruments over the past 50 years and the rise of government spending, but >such a correlation would not, in any reasonable view, be causative. I'll >elaborate on this if there's real interest.) > > >--Tim May > >(I'm not arguing against privacy. I just don't see the validity of some of >the attempts to "prove" that privacy enhances markets (whatever that means) >and that non-privacy undermines markets. Such arguments are mostly >unpersuasive and depend strongly on assumptions and interpretations and >selective admission of facts.) > >Just say "No" to "Big Brother Inside" >We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. >---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- >Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >tcmay(a)got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, >Higher Power: 2^1398269 | black markets, collapse of governments. >"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway." > > > > > ****************************************************** Jonathan Gaw The Star Tribune Minneapolis, Minnesota jonathan(a)gaw.net *********Wasting Digital Bandwidth Since 1986*********

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Cypherpunks Bottleneck [was Cypherpunks & Ecash]
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- At 05:04 PM 3/21/97 -0800, you wrote: |[Hmmmhhhh...after noticing that a message I sent off this morning at 9 had |not gone out as of late this afternoon, I looked to see if other messages |I've sent off have gone out. I found that a message I sent out last night, |23 hours ago, has not arrived at my site, nor have I seen any followups by |others to it. So I am sending it again. I will go back through my messages |and look for other such non-sends. I suggest others do the same. I don't |know what the problem is, but it's worse in this respect than the problems |with toad.com.] | Tim: Last Thursday night I got word of Perry's shut down from the PGP Users List; I had not seen it posted during the day so I forwarded it to the cypherpunks list. It showed up at my location 5 minutes ago. I have the consolation of knowing mine was not the only one delayed. I seem to have noticed messages being repeated this afternoon. Alec -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBMzNAMiKJGkNBIH7lAQFDEQQAj1RSJBtJ+vNv/iwPFTTcs6RNBpqq93tN H0j3toYnuFwuAThR5uI4qyuCto0dVhygl17cgZpLjo85CXDLe3SswN05fTZvhKCB 5E2Doq5OHo01S9cOzUigr6Q5oRR/ZEqGUTZSJmKzw1l0NzA+hDLvs+/zK4wb8yiX Zb//53oBjIg= =INC3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Market Failures, Monocultures, and Dead Kids (Oh My!)
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

BELIEVE the children! Vulis wrote: > Out in the hobbsian wild, if the parents abuse their offsprings (kill them, > fail to train them), then the offsprings won't reproduce and the parent's > genes won't perpetuate. Do we really need a more coersive system of > punishing "child abuse"? We don't (yet) live in the "hobbsian wild". Children do what they are taught. If the are taught to react to the slightest provocation with violence, then they will, when they grow up (notice I didn't say mature), react similarly. If we wish to live in a society of reasonable people, our children need to be raised respond reasonably to provocation. This means get violent when, and only when necessary. So, yes. I would say we need a fairly coersive system for punishing child abuse. We also need a clear defination of what child abuse really is. BELIEVE the children!

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Re: "why privacy" revisited
by Wei Dai 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Timothy C. May wrote: > The best arguments are not those couched in terms of "benefits" to > society/markets, but in terms of "lowest common denominators." I favor the > "Schelling point" view, and have espoused it here often. > > In most Western systems, a reasonable Schelling point is that various > actors agree not to try to enter the "private spaces" of others. For > example, my neighbors and I agree not to enter each other's houses to pry > and inspect. > > (The Schelling point is that this "boundary" point is essentially agreed > upon even though my neighbors and I have never formally negotiated it...as > with animals and their "territories," certain equilibrium points are > reached.) > > In Western systems, it is recognized that the _costs_ of coercively > entering another's home and/or private space are too high, and so we > declare there to be a "right of privacy." In reality, what we mean is that > we accept a private domain as a Schelling point. I think you're answering the third meaning of "why privacy", "why DOES privacy exist?" This is a positive rather than a normative question (which is what I was asking). I agree with you that most likely privacy exist because in some sense it is an equilibrium in the game of life. But what I'm asking is whether it is a desirable equilibrium, and whether a new equilibrium involving more privacy is better than what we have now. > I reject the argument Wei Dai mentions, that market benefits could obtain > if society rejected privacy, for two reason. First, because in an important > sense rights are not the slaves of corporate or personal business > interests. (E.g., my interest in Alice's television viewing habits does not > trump her right to keep me out of her house.). Second, because so-called > "market efficiency" is largely an illusion anyway. Certainly no real market is perfectly efficient, but some markets are relativly more efficient than others, and most markets are more efficient than alternative forms of economic organization (e.g., socialism) so I don't see how you can call "market efficiency" an illusion. The inefficiencies I was talking about were relative to the case where both parties have the same information. Also, I don't quite understand your first argument. It seems to suggest that privacy should exist for no reason in particular. If this is the case then it doesn't make sense to argue about the costs/benefits of privacy. But it is my understanding that most cypherpunks believe more privacy benefits everyone, and therefore work to making more privacy for everyone. What I'm looking for are arguments that support this belief.

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Re: Report from Supreme Court on CDA arguments
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Timothy C. May wrote: > Nothing I have seen in the interpretations of the CDA would "excuse" me > from saying "Fuck" (or worse) in a forum if I knew readers under 18 might > see it. (Some of the pro-CDA folks talk about possible exceptions for, say, > two 17-year-olds discussing sexual problems between themselves). > > This was the main reason I did "Tim's Vernacular Translation of the Bible" > as an alternate .sig. (Included below, by the way.) > -- > [This Bible excerpt awaiting review under the U.S. Communications Decency > Act of 1996] > And then Lot said, "I have some mighty fine young virgin daughters. Why > don't you boys just come on in and fuck them right here in my house - I'll > just watch!"....Later, up in the mountains, the younger daughter said: > "Dad's getting old. I say we should fuck him before he's too old to fuck." > So the two daughters got him drunk and screwed him all that night. Sure > enough, Dad got them pregnant, and had an incestuous bastard son....Onan > really hated the idea of doing his brother's wife and getting her pregnant > while his brother got all the credit, so he pulled out before he > came....Remember, it's not a good idea to have sex with your sister, your > brother, your parents, your pet dog, or the farm animals, unless of course > God tells you to. [excerpts from the Old Testament, Modern Vernacular > Translation, TCM, 1996] Perhaps this sig could be used in all replies to government agencies in regard to CDA and other censorship matters. Is it in the public domain? -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: FBI Visits JPUNIX
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

jim bell wrote: > > At 10:35 PM 3/20/97 -0500, John Perry wrote: > > Apparently some high-ranking > >official has been receiving anonymous email coming from my site that > >is of a threatening nature. This official has decided to call in the > >FBI as I was visited by said organization. I am shutting down remailer > >operations immediately. > I think you should name the "high-ranking official" involved. If there actually is one. > We (and you) might also point out that as far as you know, these threatening > notes could have been send by GOVERNMENT people, in an attempt to shut down > the system. Perhaps there was no threatening note. Perhaps there was no visit from the FBI. The attempt to destroy the cypherpunks list failed. The next logical target would be the remailers. Two remailers go down in the same week, both being tenacles of C2Net. Greg Broiles once again happens upon the scene of the accident, and predictably warns everyone of the grave dangers and liabilities facing remailer operators. How long until he publicly calls for the remailers to be "killed," as he did with the cypherpunks list? Instead of solutions to the problems facing small remailers, we have schills coming out of the woodwork to proclaim that remailers are only feasible for Big Business to operate. Corporate takeover of the list failed, now corporate takeover of the remailers seems to be the new agenda. I suggest that, instead of wasting time on a new battle, we simply resurrect all of the arguments over list control and re-post them as arguments over remailer control, simply substituting the word "remailer" everywhere that the word "list" occurs. Truthmonger Cindy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Re: LA Times article on crypto anarchy
by nobody＠huge.cajones.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hal Finney wrote: > "'Activity in cyberspace ultimately forecasts the end of national > control,' said David Post, visiting associate professor of law at > Georgetown University." > The article goes on to mention digital cash, crypto policy debates, > problems with the CDA, Germany's attempt to block access to Radikal > magazine and anti holocast info on the net, and other topics which we > have discussed at length. It is good to see these ideas beginning to > enter the mainstream. > This is what this list and this movement is capable of. A lot of > these ideas would not have received their prominence if it were not > for the cypherpunks. And of course there are powerful forces arranged > in opposition. Of course, those who attempt to point toward those powerful forces will be be subjected to ridicule as paranoid conspiracy theorists. And when they point out the facts concerning the underlying alliances and motivations behind various actors on the list, then they will be met with rebuttals that so-and-so had a beer with them, once, and they seemed like a nice person. Big news flash! Nazi's attend the opera and kiss babies. Money buys people (even those who deny it to themselves). I wish I had a dime for every post I've seen on this list that denigrates those that suggest that the list is both followed by, and subjected to interference by, clandestine agencies and agents. "What? Our 'How to build a Nuclear bomb' list is being subjected to surveillance? How silly!" Buy a clue, dudes and dudettes. Cryptography is the new Nuclear technology of the Information Age. Big Brother is paying attention. > How easy they find it to distract us, to fill the list > with irrelevant discussions! When I see so many posts which are purely > flame bait, or which seem to go out of their way to explore trivia as > though it were of interest, I believe that in at least some cases they > are intentionally designed to thwart our efforts. Most people who recognize this still fail to see the 'thwarting' that takes place by those whose sole purpose is to spread disinformation while seeming to agree with the consensus opinion on the list. The subtle slants which are a constant undercurrent in their posts are seldom seen as an attempt to undermine the issues they appear to be supporting. > I'm not calling for censorship, but I'd like people to be aware of what > is going on. Before responding to an off-topic or flaming post, consider > the motivations of the creators of the thread. Is it possible that this > is purely an attempt to fill the list with noise, to drown out discussion > on more important and relevant topics? In some cases, undoubtedly, but anyone who thinks that the flames and off-topic posts are the enemy on this list are _not_ aware of what is going on. Noise will deflect idiots and lightweights from following the crucial issues surrounding cryptography, but this in no great loss. The true loss to the list is when the supposedly intelligent members lose the capacity to distinguish critical points raised on the list because they have allowed themselves to fall into the same personality based mode of censorship as was forcefully imposed on the list. Look at the number of people on the list who _boast_ about their killfiles. They are idiots. Even those who profess to use their filters as an information tool seem to base their filtering on personality, to a large degree. The result? They are filtering _into_ view those the disinformation artists who will lick their dick in order to lead them away from areas they don't want to receive too much attention. The result of the sheep mentality of cliques who killfile each other is that if a list member wants to raise an issue outside of his or her own _clan_ on the list, then they must make NOISE sufficient to draw in the members of other clans, whose other members will read their replies. Your post might waken a few of the converted to remind them that it takes an effort to stay on track, but if you had found a way to work the word "cocksucker" into the list, you would have reached a wider audience, and perhaps done some good where it will be more effective. (Or, better yet, badmouth the list Icons.) The fact of the matter is, spotting spooks and schills on this list is a minor matter of the simplest of traffic analysis, given the fact that so many list members are content to focus their attention only on the _visible_ enemies that those who use deceit and deception have to make little effort to cover their tracks. > Simply being aware of the attack will, I suggest, go a long way towards > reducing its impact. I think that all list members would be well-advised to read your post and give it serious thought. I think, however, that they should also make an attempt to broaden the concepts you deal with, in their own mind, in order to adjust their view as to the true nature of the traffic on this list really is. TruthMonger

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Re: Cypherpunks & Ecash in WSJ, Chaum,and Amazing Revelation by NSA
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hal Finney <hal(a)rain.org> writes: ... > In my travels around the web, I find that First Virtual is being > relatively successful for small amounts like shareware fees. It is > easy to get started with FV; you fill out their web page and make a call > to their 800 number with your credit card info. You're ready to go in > a few minutes. I'm sure there are a lot more people buying things with > FV than with Digicash. ... I just had an idea for an interesting demo project. Perhaps someone wants to take it up and to put a spin on it to promote privacy/cryptography. Most (perhaps all) states' motor vehicle departments allow you to connect to their computer (usually via a modem) and map licence plate numbers into names/addresses. Typically you must first set up an account and pay, e.g., $200, and then something like $4 is deducted from the account for each query. Obviously, only someone who performs a lot of queries (like a p.i. or a lawyer) would set up an account. It occurred to me that it might be "interesting" for someone to set up accounts with all the states that have this service; and to establish a Web site that would do quantity 1 queries for a reasonable fee, like $FV10. I recall that someone got hold of the Washington State database and operated such a service for free for a few days as a demo. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: More disinfo from Cocksucker John Gilmore
by dlv＠bwalk.dm.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

paul(a)fatmans.demon.co.uk writes: > > >no longer trusted Gilmore to > >host the list. > > > > On the planet I live on, the list moved because Gilmore was no longer > > willing to host the list > > On the other hand the majority of the list members, including myself, > would say that the reason the list moved was because of the > censorship imposed by statist cocksucker Gilmore. > > The list rapidly disentigrated into infighting and flame wars as soon > as the censorship was announced, several people suggested new list > solutions before Gilmore anounced he was closing the list, I remember > talking in private email with Igor and several others about the > distributed mailing list solution immediately the censorship was > announced. > > > Question: > > > > Is this true dissinformation or does this scumbag Russian sociopath > > believe his own lies? > > Question: > > 1. Is this bot generated or does "Casey Iverson" really exist? - I > would say he is a real person due to the level of context sesitivity and > quoting in his posts, however, it is beyond my comprehension that > anyone could be this inane... Unfortunately, New York City is the home to several people who in a more restrictive society would have been committed - Case Iverson, Ray Arachelian, the lying crackpot Charles Platt from alt.torture... > 2. If "Casey" does exist does he suck John Gilmore`s cock or is he > more of a Sandfort man? Neither Gilmore nor Sandfart have cocks long enough to reach from California... But Iverson may be sucking Arachelian's cock. > 3. Could the level of stupidity in his posts be easily emulated by a perl > script or would this require more complicated code including inducing > gramatical errors, anti Russian rants and turns of phrase that simply > fail to scan right in the context in which they are generated? With difficulty. A program's output would likely sound more intelligent. > 4. Is there a low bandwidth stego channel hidden in his rants, with > the data transmitted as integers giving the apparent IQ of the writer > for each message? Yes, but it's a very low bandwidth channel capable of transmitting single digits only. > 5. If he does exist and is sentient is he an NSA schill wasting our > time and effort to stop us doing crypto? A very good point, Paul. You may have noticed that Cocksucker John Gilmore spreads lies and disinformation, he makes up hard numbers which can be proven to be false - but it would require an effort that could be used more productively e.g. on setting up more remailers. Consider several of Cocksucker John Gilmore's recent claims made through his subservient mouthpiece Rich Graves. In article <5gl63i$4eu(a)quixote.stanford.edu> Cocksucker John Gilmore wrote: >comparing me to Vulis doesn't work, I don't think. He'd have >mailbombed the list subscribers at the drop of a hat; and in >the case of cypherpunks, he and GruBoursy did, to such an >extent that the list had to move from toad.com to cyberpass.net. >I'm sure I've disappointed some people by doing nothing of the >kind. Doesn't stop Seth from saying I'm obsessed, of course. This is a lie. I haven't mailbombed cypherpunks. There were several mail loops during the list's existance on toad.com, none of which were caused by me. The list moved because of Gilmore's censorship, which Graves forgets to mention at all. list. In article <5gkfag$36o(a)quixote.stanford.edu> Cocksucker John Gilmore/Graves further wrote: >>In any case, I personally would not ever absolutely reject posts >>arbitrarily from someone if I was moderating a list, even if 99.9% of >>their posts were absolute junk. (I've been in such situations---try >>moderating an biological evolution newsgroup and fend of all the >>creationists.) > >You've never met Dr. Vulis, then. Imagine 50 messages a day like this: > >http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/dir.archive-96.10.24-96.10.30/ > >|Timmy May has tons of dandruff (and dried up semen) in his beard. >|Is he Jewish??? >| >|--- >| >|Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM >|Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps The cypherpunks mailing list is archived at several sites. As I pointed out, it's possible to search the archives and to verify that in the several years that I've been on this list, there was not a single day when I posted 50 articles; not a single day when I posted even 15 articles; and probably less than 10 days when I posted more than 5 articles. Cocksucker John Gilmore is lying again. In the same article Gilmore/Graves wrote: >Vulis also posted megabytes of Serdar Argic screeds, just to be annoying, >and with the stated intention of disrupting the list. That's called a >denial of service attack. More lies. I have repeatedly stated that it is NOT my intention to disrupt the mailing list. The total size of the Serdar Argic material is under 200K. I'd be surprised if the total size of my contributions to cypherpunks over the years adds up to more than a couple of megabytes. But of course we know that Cocksucker John Gilmore is a pathological liar, so we can do something more useful than digging through the archives. --- Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps

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Re: For-pay remailers (was: PGP Security)
by Toto 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

Hal Finney wrote: > Rather than try to design or envision a grand infrastructure with > everything working perfectly like a smoothly running machine, let's wait > and see how for-pay remailers fare once they appear. There's nothing > like the profit motive to unlease creativity. I'm sure methods for > providing high quality service can be found. That sounds much better than "Let's sit on our asses and see if the for-pay remailers fare, _if_ they ever appear, while the attacks continue knock off more remailers." One of the main reasons the CypherPunks list continued as it did was because of those who actively made plans for its continuance, instead of sitting on their asses. Are you and Greg working as a team, here? -- Toto "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html

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Re: Crypto Info War
by lucifer＠dhp.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

John Young wrote: > > Congressional Record: March 19, 1997: > > The Senate > > ***** > > DOD AUTHORIZATION--INFORMATION WARFARE [5] > Committee on National Security: Subcommittee on Military Procurement > and Subcommittee on Military Research and Development held a joint > hearing on fiscal year 1998 Department of Defense authorization > request--Information Warfare. Testimony was heard from the following > officials of the Department of Defense: > Vice Adm. Arther K. > Cebrowski, USN, Director, Navy Space, Information Warfare, Command and ^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Control, Chief of Naval Operations; ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > and Marvin Langston, Deputy Assistant Secretary, > Navy C41/Electronic Warfare/Space Programs, Office of the Assistant ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Secretary of the Navy (Research, Development and Acquisition); ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Who was it who funded the development of RSA? Can you say "Navy?" Sure, you can. TruthMonger

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Security of SSL proxies
by pgut001＠cs.auckland.ac.nz 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A number of vendors are now selling SSL proxies which implement secure tunnelling for web browsers using a non-crippled SSL implementation running on the client machine. Has anyone considered the total security level provided by one of these systems? I can see three problems with this approach: 1. The security stops a few feet short of the browser, making a MITM attack possible (see below). 2. Security and authentication is handled by the proxy and not the browser. This means that the browser (and browser user) never get to see the usual indicators that their connection is secure (or "secure" for non-US users). 3. If you use a proxy like this to protect traffic for an entire company, the proxy provides the same type of target as a GAK key center: An attack which compromises this compromises security for the entire company. The first one is a practical problem, the second one is more perceptual. Consider the following possible attack: A nice authenticoded ActiveX control ("the tee proxy") installs itself on your machine and hooks itself into the chain of proxies by either moving the SSL proxy to a different port or changing the browser config entry so it's the first proxy in the chain. It then scans all data being forwarded for credit card numbers/PINs/whatever and forwards them to God knows where. There are various simple defences (eg the SSL proxy checks to make sure the browser still goes to it first), but in the end it's just a cat and mouse game - the tee proxy could spoof the registry calls (there was an article in DDJ which explains how to do this), or disable the check, or hook directly into the proxy service by patching the DLL (this was explained in MSJ I think). In short, because the security stops a few feet short, it's possible to attack the system. A related problem is that fact that the browser isn't aware that a layer of security is being applied to the connection, and so will act as if the connection was insecure (ie it won't display the usual signs that the link is secured, and will give annoying warnings when navigating secure web sites). Finally, pulling personal certs into/through the proxy is rather complex, requiring the cooperation of the CA in issuing specific types of certs (one browser-specific one for the browser and an identical-content but proxy-specific one for the proxy), and all sorts of complex juggling by the user to install them. This probably makes the use of certs in this environment fairly luser-proof, which more or less means no certs. Are there any other problems which people are aware of? There was a bit of a fuss made about these proxies being the end of ITAR when they were first announced, but since then things seem to have gone quiet. Peter.

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Re: Cypherpunks & Ecash in WSJ, Chaum,and Amazing Revelation by NSA
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 03:17 AM 3/22/97 EST, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote: ty 1 queries for a reasonable fee, like $FV10. > >I recall that someone got hold of the Washington State database and >operated such a service for free for a few days as a demo. It was Oregon... unless you are thinking of an incident that I didn't hear of. I have the Oregon DMV database on CDROM. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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A cypherpunk push-poll ? (Was Re: Dorothy and the four Horseman)
by Robert Hettinga 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

It seems to me that that whole "survey" was a classic example of "push" polling. That is, a poll where leading and inflamitory questions area asked about a political opponent so that the respondent is incited to vote against that opponent. Maybe there should be a cypherpunk counter-poll. Any ideas for questions? Cheers, Bob ----------------- Robert Hettinga (rah(a)shipwright.com) Philodox e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "Never attribute to conspiracy what can be explained by stupidity." -- Jerry Pournelle The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/rah/

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Re: PGP Security
by jim bell 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

At 07:16 PM 3/20/97 -0600, Igor Chudov @ home wrote: >Mark M. wrote: >> >> Speaking as "XXXXXXXXX" (or, at least, one of the "XXXXXXXXXs"), I did receive >> the following message which originated from "TruthMonger." Shortly after I >> received the message, anon.nymserver.com closed down all of its free, >> anonymous accounts due to "abuse." >> > >This is mostly addressed to jimbell: jim, it is now obvious that >the remailer network is as weak as a 5 year old child. It cannot >possibly withstand even mildest forms of "abuse". > >Due to this fact, I question the viability of your assassination >politics idea as it does not seem possible to safely operate an >assassination bot. I don't doubt that remailers need to be strengthened to support a "classic AP" system. However, complicating (or, perhaps, simplifying; depending on your point of view...) the issue is the fact that an AP-type system is going to be inherently self-protecting: Even if I wasn't inclined to donate to see the death of anybody else, I'd want to protect the underlying system to ensure its continued existence. I (and some others) are convinced that an AP-system would totally eliminate the series of tyrannies that governments have been throughout history. That, if true, is a _very_ valuable accomplishment to most of us, one for which we'd be wise to pay to achieve. And generally, where there is a demand, a free market supplies that desire with a product. Jim Bell jimbell(a)pacifier.com

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Remailers: Free vs. Fee
by camcc＠abraxis.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- A question for those legally-minded list members. Poorly put: Does the requirement an individual pay a fee (or the acceptance of a fee) for remailing services create a liability on the part of the remailer in regard to the content of the message? Or, if the service is free does the remailer have less risk than if he charged for it? Alec -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.5 iQCVAgUBMzRiyyKJGkNBIH7lAQHaxwP/Z73JUcG9qqS2cvvSGzforGEWstlRUv8v N9p6XUmoYoR2wo+D2wzmWsI8suIPGOwBHV5aKAds/tfJtzoPEQ7iEszREBpK1afT 6/D+KtEo1+Q0NNC8eatiJELvwqGUBBjzRXL1QP95fMQXoP0Gk70HjFZegLYWw7Fx FSUS/XKny/g= =sdLH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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some /etc/passwd stuff from Cyberpromo
by Secret Squirrel 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

A little mouse just came into my house and said that the following uz3rz at cyberpromo.com have the following passwords: - Ignoramus. Guessed broot [<no-ciphertext>] System Administrator [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/csh] Guessed box12 [box12 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed valscan [valscan [SINGER]] Michael Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box8 [box8 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed greatsex [greatsex [SINGER]] Michael J. Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed makemony [greatsex [SINGER]] Michael Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed greatads [greatads [SINGER]] Michael J. Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed vic [greatads [SINGER]] Michael J. Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box2 [box2 [SINGER]] [etc_passwd.fixed ] Guessed box7 [box7 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed checknsee [checknsee [DISNEY]] Steve Dykstra,Check-n-See Network,413-283-6645, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed fixit [fixit [GEORGE]] Terry Judge,,216-745-9444,amerwtrprf(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box9 [box9 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed results [results [SINGER]] Michaek J. Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box10 [box10 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed getrich [getrich [SINGER]] Michael J. Singer,,419-843-7055, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box5 [box5 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box11 [box11 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box3 [box3 [SINGER]] Mike Singer,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box4 [box4 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box6 [box6 [SINGER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gics [gics [SINGER]] Michael J. Singer,,419-843-6100, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed julie [julie [SINGER]] Michael Singer,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed box1 [box1 [SINGER]] Michael Singer,, , [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed action [action [SUCCESS]] Thomas Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed simple [simple [SOLUTION]] Larry Henry,Simple Solutions + Co. Inc,912-937-5606, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed winnernet [winnernet [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed newma [newma [DANIEL]] Jay Schneiderman,,718-379-1197, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed coolbreeze [coolbreeze [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed esi [esi [RICHARD]] Richard Damewood,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freebook [freebook [JOSEPH]] Joe Dewey,Great Ad-Ventures,208-336-7520,joseph732(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed goldking [goldking [SPECIAL]] Daniel Sheehy,,707-822-8324, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rav537 [rav537 [NATHAN]] Rich Verhoef,,509-882-4733, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bfranklin [bfranklin [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender / Gary Roggles,,919-848-5698 Fax,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ourcoinc [ourcoinc [PROSPER]] Sheryl Joyner,Ourco Inc.,301-931-0868, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bfepro [bfepro [BFE5253]] Ben Ewing,BFE Enterprises,502-339-6356, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed moneyman [moneyman [SUZANNE]] Al Walentis,VG Productions,610-370-2340,cyber1(a)nni.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gfaiusa [gfaiusa [MONEY]] Cliff Durrett,,813-397-3120, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed exciting [exciting [SPECIAL]] Daniel Sheehey,,707-822-8324,djshee(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed autod [autod [GOGO]] Stephen Gregory,,512-388-0530, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lifeinfo [lifeinfo [LIFE]] Pete Mckeown,Life Extension,303-985-4371,leipro(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed setmefree [setmefree [SECRET]] Steve Walker,The Financial Alliance,904-387-1628,plsfreeme(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cowcr [cowcr [COWCR]] Dr. Cathy L. White-Owen MD,,216-844-5950,whatzmoney(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gpwhitepaper [gpwhitepaper [FRED]] Ernest Orwig,Global Perspectives LLC,201-244-1200 x 239, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed accobra [accobra [ACCOBRA]] Glenn Pack,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gasoline [gasoline [ANTHONY]] Mike Jacobellis,,,magnet(a)exp.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed herpesinfo [herpesinfo [FREECTR]] Dr. Steve Yates,The Freedom Center,212-281-7397, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed richman [richman [SUZANNE]] Al Walentis,VG Productions,610-370-2340,cyber1(a)nni.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed christian [christian [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed goinfo [goinfo [GREEN]] Jim Hill,,609-926-9661, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed datalux [datalux [WALLACE2]] Carole Moses,Crestar Enterprises,516-223-3607,careve(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed matrix [matrix [MATRIX]] Martin Parker,,matrixfund(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sti [sti [FROGGY]] Alain Senac,,970-479-9757, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wwjp [wwjp [TRAVEL]] Jeff Pinkus,,610-408-0386, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed team1 [team1 [SUCCESS]] Eric Gordon,,909-653-2357, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed genesisgroup [genesisgroup [BRYAN]] Barry Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed telecomm [telecomm [PARADIGM]] Greg Scudder,,805-544-6251, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed goodchecks [goodchecks [RAINBOW]] Greg Beasley,National Payment Systems,614-792-9490, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rpalm [rpalm [HAMMER]] Richard Palmer,Palmer Productions,510-685-7671, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed info4unow [info4unow [ASHLEY]] Marty Figgs,,302-633-4138, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed skeptics [skeptics [COWCR]] Dr. Cathy L. White-Owen MD ,,216-844-5950,whatzmoney(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed goodincome [goodincome [MARKETIN]] Ron Linkous,,804-741-4432,rlink15133(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tgtbt [tgtbt [COWCR]] Dr. Cathy L. White-Owen MD ,216-844-5950,whatzmoney(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mailordman [mailordman [VICTOR]] Donald Wright,,800-772-0794, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed peteexcel [peteexcel [CAMERON]] Pete Maneos,,610-337-1468,newmedia30(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed higher [higher [SUCCESS]] Eric gordon,,909-653-2357,teammlm(a)earthlink.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gasinfo [gasinfo [ANTHONY]] Mike Jacobellis,\,,magnet(a)exp.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed asomerset [asomerset [SOMERSET]] DIANNA GIBBS,,214 789-2940, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed childstory [childstory [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed hokamix [hokamix [STERLING]] Michael Medefind,Aellen Enterprises,916-987-1234,meandre(a)christcom.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gab [gab [NEWLIFE]] Yvonne Orthmann,,508-428-9101, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed galatic [galatic [GALATIC]] Karl Thompsan,,317-933-2828, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed report [report [INTERNET]] Bryan Sullivan,,805 772-6188, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mountain1 [mountain1 [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed scanman [scanman [ASHLEY]] DAniel Goutas,,714-897-7542, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bwealthy [bwealthy [SUCCESS]] Barry Disney,Network Marketing Group,513-554-4843, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed truthnet [truthnet [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed essentials [essentials [SUSAN]] Susan Pottish,,415-453-9546,svand(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed laser1 [laser1 [FREEDOM]] Bud Riley,,612-224-8331, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mother [mother [ANTHONY]] Mike and Amy Jacobellis,North Pole Magnet Co,409-840-9407,magnet(a)iosys.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freedom4u [freedom4u [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed pyruvate [pyruvate [WHEELS]] Jerry Schneider,,,pyruvate(a)ournetwork.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed acarnegie [acarnegie [SUCCESS]] Jon Bender,,peakpr4mer(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tatiana [tatiana [JOSEPH]] Jose Diaz,Diaz Specialty Merchandise,718-672-6225, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gor [gor [GORAVANI]] Das Goravani,Goravani Astrological Services,800-532-6528 or 541-485-8453, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed somerset [somerset [SOMERSET]] Dianna Gibbs,,214-789-2940, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wheels [wheels [WHEELS]] Tony Marsello,,,multichev(a)earthlink.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freeeagle [freeeagle [FREEDOM]] Joe Reynolds,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed team2 [team2 [SUCCESS]] Eric Gordon,,909-653-2357, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed aplus [aplus [STUDY]] Tim Ryan,A+ Tutors,603-659-5903, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed theraven [theraven [KABOOM]] Leonora Torian,,410-727-2611, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lash [lash [ANTHONY]] bob Anthony / Larry Kirsch,,954-748-3510, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed career [career [CHOICE]] Jeanette Turner,,941-351-5804, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed giveinfo [giveinfo [VINCENT]] Vincent Garguilo,,718-256-0904,vinigar(a)peakaccess.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ournetwork [ournetwork [WHEELS]] Jerry Schneider,,206-588-0096,75020.2702(a)compuserve.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lightquest [lightquest [GORDON]] Gordon M. Curry,,972-431-4956,lightquest(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed visionpics [visionpics [RESPONSE]] Jason Kristofer,Visionary Pics,213-655-7666, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wwjpwwjpwwjp [wwjpwwjpwwjp [TRAVEL]] Warren,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed jeffsmoney [jeffsmoney [JEFFSMON]] Jeff Jacobs,J+J Enterprises,212-290-4517,jeff(a)superteam.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed global [global [DISCOVER]] Frank Martinez,Global TradeNetwork,515-279-5204, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed linktvmem [linktvmem [LINKTVME]] Ernie Lamonica,,702-828-9003, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed phone [phone [PHONE]] Susan Pottish,,415-453-9546,svamd(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed products [products [MOUNTAIN]] Joe Kuhn,,908-220-1110,qwikmail(a)raven.cybercomm.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tnoni [tnoni [HEALTH]] Michael Avenoso,Riverwood Health,501-253-2535,amstar7(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed stink [stink [GREATSEX]] Gary Fisher,,415-306-9466, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed judge [judge [VANELGOR]] Howard Van Elgort,,604-246-9114, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed beitall [beitall [DOITNOW]] Dr. Joy Rausonussen,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infolink [infolink [BARRYD]] Ross Hines,,206-255-6185, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bugbox [bugbox [BARRYD]] Ross Hines,,206-255-6185, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed seicom [seicom [Hubertt]] Hubert Trotman,Safari Equities Inc.,718-994-2801, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed yourreply [yourreply [REPORTS]] Vince Bedell,AAA Discount,702-564-9651,vince2602(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wholesale [wholesale [CLONE]] Tom Cox,,954 925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed profitsnow [profitsnow [MATTG]] Matt Glaspie,,810-669-1564, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freshair [freshair [BRADNEAR]] Brad Near,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed succeednow [succeednow [MARTINR]] Martin Ruiz,Golden Success,904-532-9753,martin(a)goldensuccess.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cmc [cmc [RANDYC]] Wayne Cook,712-252-2154,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed contacts [contacts [MARTINRU]] Martin Ruiz,Golden Success,904-532-9753,martin(a)goldensuccess.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed a1amway [a1amway [CLONE]] Tom Cox,,954 925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bizinfo [bizinfo [FLIGHT]] Shawn Bogardus,Worldnet Data Services,301-926-6882, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed profitsonline [profitsonline [MATTG]] Matt Glaspie,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gasmlm [gasmlm [GSCHMIDT]] Dr. George Schmidt,Gardens Eyecare,407-622-8200,Dr.Schmidt(a)usa.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infosoft [infosoft [BRANDY]] Jay Pinkus, ,215-953-8239, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ion [ion [MATTG]] Matt Glaspie,ION,810-669-1564, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mktamerica [mktamerica [CLONE]] Tom Cox,,954 925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed futureplan [futureplan [STMARTIN]] Tracy Dickson-Depaoli,Neways Inc.,604-526-6721, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed inside [inside [INFO1]] Mark A. Watts,Inside Access,503-612-0538,insideacc(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed healthnow [healthnow [HARRY1]] Thomas M. Cox,,dodger3(a)laker.net, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sms [sms [HARRY1]] Suzanne Schnell,,206-953-9372, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed success1 [success1 [PROMO1]] GREG SCUDDER,,805-544-6251, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed yousave [yousave [HARRY1]] Thomas M. Cox,Reseller,954-925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed paulott [paulott [PAULOTT1]] Paul Ott,941-731-7855,pott123(a)aol.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed savenow [savenow [HARRY1]] Thomas M. Cox,Reseller,954-925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed utilizatt [utilizatt [FREEDOM2]] Joe Reynolds,Free Eagles Enterprises,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed eric [eric [DIANE2]] Eric Lederman,,714-951-9027, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed contino [contino [CAREER4]] Carl Contino,First Family Internet Services,716-834-0057,contino(a)ffinternet.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed emailfarmer [emailfarmer [RENERENE]] BARRY DISNEY,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lighthouse [lighthouse [DATADATA]] Mimi Morissette,,503-203-1349, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed earthtrust [earthtrust [DATADATA]] Mimi Morressette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed empire [empire [RENERENE]] Barry Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed earthangels [earthangels [DATADATA]] Mimi Moiressette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed futurenet [futurenet [DATADATA]] Mimi Morissette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lighthouses [lighthouses [DATADATA]] Mimi Morissette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed astrology [astrology [DATADATA]] Mimi Morissette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bkinfo [bkinfo [RAYRAY]] Kareem Hassan,,216-439-1019,hawk7640(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed goldenaura [goldenaura [DATADATA]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed shakespeare [shakespeare [DATADATA]] Mim i Morissette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rolyatge [rolyatge [DRAWDE]] George Taylor,,717-424-1816, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rolyat [rolyat [DRAWDE]] George Taylor,Taylor Computerized Services,717-424-1816, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed details13 [details13 [111111]] Dave,Sheehan & Associates,,dave(a)ompd.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ompd [ompd [111111]] Dave Sheehan,,708-954-9101, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed detailsnow [detailsnow [000000]] Bob Wagner,,305-534-2769, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed remove3 [remove3 [111111]] Dave,Sheehan & Associates,773-277-2900,dave(a)ompd.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed details14 [details14 [111111]] Dave,Sheehan & Associates,773-277-2900,dave(a)ompd.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed details15 [details15 [111111]] Dave,Sheehan & Associates,773-277-2900,dave(a)ompd.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed vlk9 [vlk9 [123456]] ,VLK9 Network,602-874-9247,kat187(a)juno.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed details12 [details12 [111111]] Dave,Sheehan & Associates,773-277-2900,dave(a)ompd.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed hitme [hitme [000000]] Bob Wagner,Amerinet,305-534-2769,amerinet(a)bridge.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mkiely [mkiely [12345]] Al Walentis,VG Productions,610-370-2340,cyber1(a)nni.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed vlk9a [vlk9a [123456]] Nancy A Tietien,VLK9 Network,602-874-9247,kat187(a)juno.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lists [lists [JOSHUA]] Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed website [lists [JOSHUA]] Barry Disney,Network Marketing Group Inc.,513-961-6022, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed morinfo [morinfo [CESSNA]] John Fraine,,941-732-1872,hirate(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ragesking [ragesking [KIMMY]] Gary S. Kuzel,,630-985-5191,gskinc(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed pichx [pichx [DRAGON]] Bernhard Bowitz,,852-9-190-3688, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed srdindusry [srdindusry [SAILING]] Brian McDermott,SRD Corp.,860-295-8377, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed softcell [softcell [SOFTIE]] Adam Morgan / Softcell,,212-953-5234, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed glory [glory [HUMBOLDT]] Pamela Murphy,,901 784-6036, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mybox [mybox [FORWARD]] Thomas Cox,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed xtraco [xtraco [ORANGES]] Joseph Ambrose,,800-247-0792 / 810-767-8405 / 810-767-1884,xtraco(a)cris.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed eznrg [eznrg [DIAMOND]] Kim Krueger,,602-878-8812, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed a030253 [a030253 [SIERRA]] GEORGE NIELSEN,01133130324163,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed egtech [egtech [JOSHUA]] Barry Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed homelab [homelab [MIRACLES]] Mary Addams-Shaffer,,1-156-627-4551, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mktginfo [mktginfo [MARTHA]] Robert Hutton,,,RHutton(a)mail.idt.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mikeplus2 [mikeplus2 [SNIFFY]] Mike Mormile,,334-298-4059, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed vistagroup [vistagroup [KODIAK]] George Gaul,The Vista Group,303-674-2256,captain(a)ecentral.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed thanku [thanku [ELBOWS]] Doug Sutton,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed herbalpc [herbalpc [SPUNKY]] Pat Connolly / Joyce,,309-691-1762,herbalpc(a)ix.netcom.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed testing [testing [MIRACLES]] Mary Addams-Shaffer,,1-156-627-4551, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wolfgang [wolfgang [OLIVER]] Bui VaneLinde,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed llgun [llgun [LOKEY]] Lois Gunnerson,Dynamic Marketing Group,602-949-0031, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed xpres [xpres [LANSING]] Shawn Sageghieh,Email Express,714-568-9688,714-443-4559 [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed give [give [TUCKER]] Jay Holtman,,312-666-4956, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed zen [zen [KITTY]] Joe Zielinski,Z Lite,708-720-4929, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mustsee [mustsee [JACKSON]] Tom Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed aopptun [aopptun [BENNIE]] AMOS FISHER,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed amnat3 [amnat3 [PARROT]] Lenn Feldmann,,914-351-5051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed hologram [hologram [PHONECAR]] Mimi Morissette,,503-203-8880, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed injuredjoe [injuredjoe [CAPTAIN]] Todd Syska,,914-266-8322, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed healthy4u [healthy4u [BEGIN]] Betty M. Colombo,healthyu(a)juno.com,516-541-3001,516-541-3079 [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tntalgae [tntalgae [FROSTY]] Todd Thompson,,303-765-5950, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gks [gks [DANCER]] Callie Goodrum,GKS Enterprises,706-554-6181, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed praetor [praetor [TEMP]] Dave Browning,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed midstateop [midstateop [SPIKE]] Terry Eisenberg,,717-741-1159, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed extractor [extractor [JOSHUA]] Barry Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lorios [lorios [DOLORES]] Al Brooks,,619-487-9664, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed zitbuster [zitbuster [ARTURO]] Art Sel Barrio,Art *Del* Barrio,210-581-7163, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed showcase [showcase [MIDAS]] Bill Panchuck,,810-674-0444, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ableman [ableman [SEESAW]] Barry G. Swenson / Reg Hardy,Able Co. Services Inc.,954-565-0270,954-563-1767 [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infotape [infotape [STARFISH]] Delbert Rohm,,509-332-6308, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed thegreen [thegreen [PEPPER]] Mark Olynyk,Green Pages,201-785-0024, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed aperillo [aperillo [BUNNER]] Anthony Perillo,,516-822-6395, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed csn [csn [BASKETBA]] Mike Mullen,ProBasketball Electronic Services,941-365-HOOP,hoops(a)kudos.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed secret [secret [ALEXANDR]] Thomas Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed details [details [SKIPPY]] ,Kevin Griffith,770-967-0726, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed biznews [biznews [DRAGON]] Linda Bruton,,510-704-1466, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed hummingbrd [hummingbrd [CLOVER]] gil Gerald,Gil Gerald And Associates,213-953-7980, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed minesh [minesh [ASHWIN]] A. Bhindi,Ambassador Finance,011-44-0081-597-1262,ashinuk(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed JBA1231 [JBA1231 [STARSHIP]] Jorge Acevedo,,212-856-7658, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freelance [freelance [SELINA]] Bob Thompson,,864-232-0743, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed univer [univer [PIPER]] James Rockwell,,909-466-1411, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rhutton [rhutton [MARTHA]] Robert Hutton,Marketing Concepts,212-333-3131, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed agape [agape [LOGOS]] Adrian Watson,Y.A.M. Incorporated,,hpatrick(a)nls.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed awareness [awareness [HAPPY]] Mark Hecox,VAliente Marketing,714-779-7154, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed capital [capital [CESSNA]] Louten Hedgpeth & Jack Langhorne,,910-392-7122,lrhedgpeth(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infostart [infostart [GOFORIT]] Gary Brendle,,410-349-1260, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed donl [donl [DONELLE]] Don Lewis,,909-985-0651, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed peak [peak [ORGASMIC]] Ron Goulet,,520-779-5342, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed vipvalues [vipvalues [GRACE]] Michael Franklin,V.I.P.,213 753-9241, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lilleyen [lilleyen [GANDALF]] Richard Lilley,Lilley Enterprises,905-319-1369, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ozone [ozone [TOWLES]] Jogn Towles,,817-859-5187, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed welcome [welcome [SNOWSTOR]] Joe Kuhn,,908-220-1110,qwikmail(a)raven.cybercomm.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed child [child [MIDAS]] Bill Panchuck,Showcase,eaglekoz(a)ix.netcom.com, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cellular [cellular [DISKETTE]] John Hendrix,Simply Natural Prod,713 484-3490, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sponsors [sponsors [BASKETBA]] Mike Mullen,ProBasketball Electronic Services,941-365-HOOP,hoops(a)kudos.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cbccorp [cbccorp [SCOUT]] Peter Donofrio,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed autoreply [autoreply [NORTHLAN]] Karen Nelson,Northland Specialty Products,218-727-8641,rnelson(a)cp.duluth.mn.us [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed money4u [money4u [KELLY]] PJ Graves,P. Graves Publishing,415-668-9583, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed stealdeals [stealdeals [ENERGIZE]] Barry Sowder,,407-332-0400, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gcmkt [gcmkt [CRAWFISH]] Neil Goodman,,504-766-8843, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed autofuture [autofuture [CADILLAC]] Andre West,,313-709-4667, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freeway1 [freeway1 [SLACKER]] Brian Perisho,,317-241-4918, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed jl [jl [MILAGROS]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bewealthy [bewealthy [GREENBAC]] John Wright,334-286-6275,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freeinfo [freeinfo [CHICLET]] Alan Lange,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed deepbreath [deepbreath [ANANDA]] Dr. Joy Rausmussen,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gcprod [gcprod [PRODUC]] Gary Cuminale,GNC Products,716-381-7132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infocenter [infocenter [ACCUSER]] Maynard S. White,,805-945-0351, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed grants [grants [TERESA]] Victor Chapman,CM Consulting,516-377-3307,roger7891(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed vision [vision [THUNDER]] Paula Stoup,,717-783-6465,paulas1043(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mikeplus1 [mikeplus1 [SNIFFY]] Mike Mormile,,334-298-4059, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed srdcorp [srdcorp [SAILING]] Brian McDermott,SRD Corp.,860-295-8377, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bncentprs [bncentprs [JESUS]] Robert Goldinger,BNC Enterprises,757-548-2179, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed shamrock [shamrock [CYPRESS]] Tom Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed dlbedding [dlbedding [CHANCE]] Bill Dantuoson,Donalee Bedding,516-783-9896,billydlm(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed frsecurity [frsecurity [THISISIT]] Robert Davis,,803-667-0702,jdr02(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed david [david [REBECCA]] David Richards,717-242-0873,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed pegasustrv [pegasustrv [LIZZIE]] Claire Covington Altorfer,Pegasus Travel,510-825-5777, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed employnews [employnews [INGRID]] Reginald Barefield,,610-798-7869, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed carproinc [carproinc [GROSS]] Wayne T. Carsey Jr.,Car Pro Inc,916-853-9721,wcarsey(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed alexis [alexis [WHALES]] Mary Knorr,Medical Herbal Resources,602-678-4362, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed topscan [topscan [JUSTIN]] David Hall,,910-855-6375, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mattken [mattken [INWOOD]] Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed travelagt [travelagt [GOLDIE]] David Goldsmith,Hello World Travel,847-673-7610, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed coupons [coupons [DISKETTE]] John Hendrix,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed salesunlim [salesunlim [COYOTE]] Ronald Wiley,Sales Unlimited Inc.,908-780-2590, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed incomeplus [incomeplus [CHELSEY]] Dennis Estelle,,908-920-9054, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed lecram [lecram [BARUCH]] Rene Roussey,,516-283-4240, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mortgage [mortgage [PEANUT]] Louis Salatto,,203-483-6630, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ucan2 [ucan2 [NAMASTE]] Dr. Joy Rausonussen,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed hotbiz [hotbiz [ALBERTA]] Ted Benedict,,604-535-3304, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sjsent [hotbiz [ALBERTA]] Steven Spohn,SJS Enterprises,610-987-9272, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed findout [findout [SWISHER]] Ben Vann,Blue Whale Media,910-785-9296,bvann(a)whalemail.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed prosper [prosper [SITUATIO]] Daniel Sheehey,,707-822-8324,djshee(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed iaplus [iaplus [SALOME]] Amos Fisher,,717-354-6594, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed light [light [RAYMOND]] AMOS FISHER,,717 354-4046, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cheapcalls [cheapcalls [MAGICAL]] Richard Rubenstein,,219-864-2501,rnr(a)pla.net.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bigprofits [bigprofits [DROSOPHI]] Steven Ayer,Internet Marketing Solutions,203-421-5070,bigprofits(a)writeme.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed powernow [powernow [CHELSEY]] Dennis Estelle,,908-920-5917, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed drchris [drchris [PSYCHE]] Dr. Chris Wolf,,609-983-5129, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed amnat1 [amnat1 [PARROT]] Lenn Feldmann,,914-351-5051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed amsquare [amsquare [MOOSEHEA]] Doug Petersen,,508-376-1248, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed answers [answers [CHELSEY]] Dennis Estelle,,908-920-5917, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freeads [freeads [BATMAN]] Bill Guting,,,awt(a)cwnet.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed college [college [KELLY]] Pam Graves,,415-668-9583, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed powerad [powerad [DENTAL]] Juanita Boivin,,,urwlthybiz(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed newbuss [newbuss [CHELSEY]] Dennis Estelle,Pioneer Marketing,908-920-5917, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed classads [classads [WINTER]] Robert Pearsall,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed zee [zee [SYLVESTE]] Thomas Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed disease [disease [MOOSEHEA]] Doug Peterson,,508-376-1248, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed steveplus [steveplus [GIANTS]] Barry Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed matco [matco [PRAISE]] John Matthews,,972-226-0491, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed legalwon [legalwon [CRITTER]] Peter Brock,Developmental Learning Concepts,301-949-4422, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed siteone [siteone [CIRCLE]] Richard Scott,Richard Scott + Assoc.,334-928-8406, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sandman [sandman [BLASTER]] Ed Sand,,406-684-5759, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed disneygroup [disneygroup [JOSHUA]] Barry Disney,Network Marketing Group Inc.,513-961-6022, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sevenmil [sevenmil [DOROTHY]] Eric Ralls,New Horizons,602-547-5911, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed adman [adman [CRYSTAL]] Benjamin Ice,,813-446-5919, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed solar1 [solar1 [SHOPPING]] Gary Corbitt,,310-338-1019, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed b6024 [b6024 [PATIENCE]] Tom Benedict,Tom Benedict,813-528-1548, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed online [online [LOVER]] Joe Cola,Bank Card Systems,800-563-7832, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed invest [invest [CRYSTAL]] Benjamin Ice,,,jammerjoe(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed gocell [gocell [AMANDA]] Lawrence Falco,L & S Marketing,516-821-1125, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed donow [donow [TURNAROU]] Bradley Near,,602-954-1809, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed laptop [laptop [MUSIC]] Thomas Cox,,954-925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mktgconcepts [mktgconcepts [MARTHA]] Robert Hutton,Marketing Concepts,212-333-3131,rhutton(a)idt.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wholesaleprices [wholesaleprices [MARIAM]] Mohammad Hanif,,972-669-2223,compumart(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed removeme [removeme [ERASER]] Dave Mann,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed allnatural [allnatural [CHELSEY]] Dennis Estelle,,908-920-9054, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed welltrend [welltrend [BUMBLE]] Louis Salatto,,203-483-6630, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mquest [mquest [OOPS]] Phil Brown,Merchant Quest,541-742-6206,pbrown(a)pdx.oneworld.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed health [health [JESUS]] Randy Haugen,Cypress Marketing Inc,303-763-5787, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rcenterpi [rcenterpi [HALFWAY]] Ron Mayfield,,417-445-2602 or 417-445-6797,roncan(a)juno.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tvlsecrets [tvlsecrets [CAVIAR]] Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed protection [protection [MOOSEHEA]] Doug Peterson,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed robtym [robtym [MAKEMYDA]] Tom Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed networkes [networkes [DOROTHY]] Eric Ralls,,602-547-5911, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed helpme [helpme [CORKIE]] Doug Sutton,905-567-1874,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed profile [profile [METHOD]] Joe Kuhn,908-220-1110,qwikmail(a)raven.cybercomm.net, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed adna1 [adna1 [MAYE]] Adna Dalessandro,,216 779-1136, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed response [response [STINKY]] Steve Brown,Business Solutions South,601-832-5031, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed anyahu [anyahu [ANKLES]] Doug Sutton,Winning Edge Systems,905-567-1874, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed secret1 [secret1 [ALEXANDR]] John (see secret),see secret,see secret,see secret [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ezwork [ezwork [ACCESS]] Glenda Smith,,216-291-4589,gs72895(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed herb [herb [TINSEL]] Bob Keegan,,215-493-0706, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cash [cash [SYLVESTE]] Thomas Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed choice3 [choice3 [PROFIT]] Lenn Feldmann,,914-351-5051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed yucan2 [yucan2 [OLIVER]] ,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rainbow [rainbow [WILBUR]] Patrice Lowe,,219-397-6615, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed choice4 [choice4 [PROFIT]] Lenn Feldmann,,914-351-5051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed jeps318 [jeps318 [MYCROFT]] John Sallinger,Sallinger Assoc.,412-327-8591, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mortgages [mortgages [MIDAS]] Bill Panchuck,,810-674-0444, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed blizzard97 [blizzard97 [BETSY]] David Woldt,,605-886-3654,turbo41(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mecca [mecca [BACKWARD]] Thomas Cox resell,,954-925-8132, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed teezer [teezer [TEASER]] Dan Herzner,,914-769-6700, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed help4u [help4u [MINERAL]] Dr. Joy Rausonussen,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed free800 [free800 [JOSHUA]] Barry Disney,Network Marketing Group Inc.,513-961-6022, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bdbem [bdbem [ANNIE]] Louis Salatto,,203-483-8634, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tpn1996 [tpn1996 [TALONS]] Richard Mathiason,,707-642-8632, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed rdlpinfo [rdlpinfo [PARKER]] Peter Vaglica,,,tlpc(a)gte.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed healthwealth [healthwealth [JESUS]] Diane Goselin,,508-791-6828, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed eleven [eleven [DOROTHY]] Eric Ralls,,602-547-5911, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infosales1 [infosales1 [BEAR]] Steve Crockett,,904-857-7717,infosales1(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed secrets [secrets [PICKUP]] Lillian & John Eagan,,908-431-4366, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed marketinfo [marketinfo [PARKER]] Peter Vaglica,,,tlpc(a)gte.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed kangaroo [kangaroo [LYDIA]] Matthew Silverman,,508-369-4560, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed wealth [wealth [KELLY]] Chris Molinari,Adler Publishing,408-353-3141, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed difaznet [difaznet [GORDO]] Ray DiFazio,,415-668-5161, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bizopp [bizopp [ALBERTA]] Ted Benedict,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed offshore1 [offshore1 [JAMAICA]] Denise Cook,Marketing Ect Trust,602-979-4844,dicook(a)sisna.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed diet30 [diet30 [CHELSEY]] Dennis Estelle,Pioneer Marketing,908-920-5917, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sales [sales [CARRIER]] Brad Konia,,610-437-1000,brad(a)fastcolor.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed blessdlife [blessdlife [SUNSHINE]] Prasit K. Frazee,Lifetronix,704-536-3779,blessdlife(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed jeps317 [jeps317 [MYCROFT]] John Sallinger,Sallinger Assoc.,412-327-8591, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed souvenirs [souvenirs [BASKETBA]] Mike Mullen,ProBasketball Electronic Services,,hoops(a)kudos.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sjs [sjs [ALBERTA]] Steven Spohn,,610-987-9272, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed winwes [winwes [ANKLES]] Doug Sutton,,905-567-1874, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed mattkenn [mattkenn [INWOOD]] Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed yknott [yknott [TRICKY]] Rick Brittain,,,rick(a)y-knott.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed psolutions [psolutions [STEPHANU]] John Miner,Prime Solutions,818-752-2058, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed go2zero [go2zero [MEREDITH]] Alan Dechart,,503-626-6269, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed oppty [oppty [MCVEY]] Bryan Johnson,,614-888-2007, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed dorita [dorita [ZAPATA]] Quentin R. Hopper / Dora E. Martinez,Ouachita's Online Network,210-681-0256, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bravonfo [bravonfo [PHONECAR]] Chuck Hatcher,,972-466-3723,ck3723(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed amnat2 [amnat2 [PARROT]] Lenn Feldmann,,914-351-5051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed dpomanual [dpomanual [PASSWORD]] Erika Thompson,L.J. Howard & Assoc.,909-683-1121,akiredanee(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed perfectcel [perfectcel [OCCASION]] Paul Herbst,,516-475-6831, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed emergroup [emergroup [GARFIELD]] Liesl Peterson,Emerald Group,507-345-3730, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed internet4u [emergroup [GARFIELD]] Donald Goss,,908-396-1438, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freeadds [freeadds [BATMAN]] Bill Guting,,916-393-2334,awt(a)cwnet.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed powernet [powernet [ZAINAB]] Omer Shommo,,312 247-9051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed capsinfo [capsinfo [CELEBORN]] Dan Roady,Caps,707-545-5944, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed monoi4you [monoi4you [TAHITI]] Laurent Hercy,Monoi Cosmetic,310-450-0145, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed choice [choice [PROFIT]] Lenn Feldmann,,914-351-5051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed powerfulu [powerfulu [LAGER]] Margaretha Murphy,MSM Communications,212-249-8244,mmcom77(a)mail.idt.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed sunsetpub [sunsetpub [CESSNA]] John Fraine,,941-732-1872,hirate(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed max [max [SYLVESTE]] Thomas Cox,,954-925-8132,dodger3(a)laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed dsconcepts [dsconcepts [DOLLARS]] Barry Disney,,, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed infoforme [infoforme [BBALL]] Dan Ellenwood,,864-862-0298, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ansinfo [ansinfo [VACATION]] Adam Sciuto,ANS Enterprises,609-646-6933, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed choice2 [choice2 [PROFIT]] Lenn Feldmann,,914-351-5051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed intervest [choice2 [PROFIT]] Lenn Feldmann,,914-351-5051, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed tpn [tpn [MIRACLES]] Mary Addams-Shaffer,,1-156-627-4551, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed howto [howto [MELODY]] Michael Piompino,,908-493-3808,m1112m(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed specsit [specsit [SITUATIO]] Daniel Sheehy,,707-822-8324, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed green [green [MIRACLES]] Mary Addams-Shaffer,,1-156-627-4551, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed pixel [pixel [GRAYSON]] Scott Thede,Forward Design,612-702-0811, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cstone [cstone [CORNERST]] John McKenna,,409-687-2308, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed travelbiz [travelbiz [CANADA]] Thomas Cox,954-925-8132,dodger3@laker.net,dodger3@laker.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed ezine [ezine [RUSSELL]] Jim Daniels,,401 231-9665, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed freead [freead [RUGBY]] Jim Carlberg,Rugby America,217-793-7275, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed free1996 [free1996 [JESSICA]] Lyle Larson,,206-865-9000, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed information [information [GIBBERIS]] Joe Kuhn,,908-220-1110,qwikmail(a)raven.cybercomm.net [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed makemoney1 [makemoney1 [EBONY]] Kymberlie Varriano,,206-322-2074,songbird55(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed homeall [homeall [GABRIEL]] Virgilio Gonzales,,619-744-0719, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bewell [bewell [CRYSTAL]] Benjamin Ice,,813-446-5919, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed jbdjerseys [jbdjerseys [CHUNDER]] John Paskoff,JBD Jerseys,516-799-6660, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed carolmc [carolmc [BIRDS]] Carol Cyr,C + C Specialty Products,417-345-6002, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed cliftyfarm [cliftyfarm [BARTON]] Tommy Thompson,,901-642-1495, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed pre [pre [MONEYMAK]] Ryan Edwards,,301-596-0498,launchepub(a)aol.com [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed bdywise [bdywise [DRAKES]] Greg Olson,Olson & Associates,308-237-3000, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh] Guessed kaboom [kaboom [CHICLET]] Alan Lange,,800-864-8444, [etc_passwd.fixed /bin/tcsh]

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Re: Cyberpromo hacked
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting In:lharrison@mhv.net to Harka <=- In> At 05:00 AM 3/21/97 -0500, you wrote: > >http://www.anonymizer.com:8080/http://www.cyberpromo.com In> Cyberpromo is apparently blocking anonymizer's access to its In> page. It also had a statement that they believe they know the In> identity of the hacker which they have turned over to the In> authorities. Yes, have experienced the same thing. "Connection call failed". Seemingly a lot of people have checked out their (hacked) page anonymously and they must have disliked that idea a lot... Which brings out a whole new issue though: is there a way besides the Anonymizer to view a page anonymously? Ciao Harka /*************************************************************/ /* This user supports FREE SPEECH ONLINE ...more info at */ /* and PRIVATE ONLINE COMMUNICATIONS! --> http://www.eff.org */ /* E-mail: harka(at)nycmetro.com (PGP-encrypted mail pref'd) */ /* PGP public key available upon request. [KeyID: 04174301] */ /* F-print: FD E4 F8 6D C1 6A 44 F5 28 9C 40 6E B8 94 78 E8 */ /*<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>*/ /* May there be peace in this world, may all anger dissolve */ /* and may all living beings find the way to happiness... */ /*************************************************************/ ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMzSWRDltEBIEF0MBAQHEOwf+PJjZl7cghkxE1FMIzemUQI4D7S3KlHpl /ADKegTj6H46LgxU8TJoKqihlS+mCrX8TqT4C3KsDinNBnjqDl6BoawndEjlKhke 4+miPz97k3iQArO/M3FxGU1bRtJO6r4fQl7up40awewC807z6228p8CZu5JwNALf ev7Rz1bzCqCdQUXGm47fFRimkNviYPut1IRwW2v0vdF1mncVNmWobGKZBuRDoSce 3+EXf5yxOZJvEaRjBYiZ0KvXSserH90tnLBg+4T+utLmw7QprpIiS/aBx4wxyDd+ fjT2yfKyzPUguy3+d5hQF0UXV3bsTiVqI6wHdldrKrp+WgIqn2vjPA== =SwHo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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Re: "why privacy" revisit
by harka＠nycmetro.com 17 Dec '03

17 Dec '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- -=> Quoting In:jonathan@gaw.net to Harka <=- In> when i talk to people like the Direct Marketer's Assn., they honestly In> don't understand what the fuss is about. Their attitude is, quite In> literally, "What's the harm being done here?" In> what do you think the community interested in privacy protection can In> do to best illustrate to the general public the "harm" in the In> collection of personal information? Information warfare. Collect information about DMA people, using their own weapons against them. Then post it somewhere on the Internet via remailers and cc themselves, Reuters and the New York Times... Ciao Harka ___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAgUBMzSWbzltEBIEF0MBAQFOzQf/SmUYerwG8oIDVe+PucyAybBAYpMBl+JT eDl21Bs0jVa2+UXm8zDKQVDIkz004bTgpyX6vzockZ8cTUkW1UJJucjUfAXln1yB HmdR9Go5mdurGbXf4QSN47nbfPc5V5sq8h7Ok2frFRqKLBejPSuEdP2pZo0OUPQD bf0lE3l5lgTKlYqOzHt7NqHNAlcx3l0FOpflF+RR5DbLllBrIP7XYodMLMv+NR3T V0oEk0woReL4+/O8iQ1oZuQ3MHNXkwCqR8w2wXnlou9ysfS58nTXgoNyFYKouGlN Kc1bV2/G6mrG8PziTd3MsTL4TjdcmkdphZWVouo1LrEuhd3J5B4dBw== =rbtn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- If encryption is outlawed, only outlaws will have encryption...

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